Small Town Murder - #563 - The Major Murders - Pembroke, Kentucky

Episode Date: January 23, 2025

This week, in Pembroke, Kentucky, a very murderous evening, that leaves three people dead, including two of them being burned to cinders, leads investigators down a rabbit hole. The main suspect is an Army vet airline pilot, who insists it was his bigamist ex-wife, who was trying to frame him, but he's been in other trouble, including accusations of abuse & having classified documents. Will a shell casing & a dog tag be enough to convict him??Along the way, we find out that these small town festivals love a local band, that a shell casing that matches your gun seems to be pretty decent evidence, and that the bigger the crime, the more you claim it's a conspiracy against you!!New episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Wondery Plus subscribers can listen to Small Town Murder early and ad free right now. Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple podcasts. This week in Pembroke, Kentucky, three mysterious murders in one night get much less mysterious when detectives figure out that someone who looks very upstanding might not be so upstanding and may actually be a full-fledged monster. Welcome to Small Town Murder. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Small Town Murder. Yay. Oh, yay indeed, Jimmy. Yay indeed.

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you know, none of this dark, then he, her head was cut off and it's very, that's a little disturbing. I don't sure keep it a little lighter You know dance around the edges of it a little bit Yeah, that's how we do it and how we do it is we never make fun of the victim or the victims family Why James because we're assholes? Yes, but but we're not scumbags. So, yeah that works. There you go So if that sounds good to you, we have a crazy show for you Can't wait to get into it if you think true crime and comedy should never ever ever go together, maybe we're not for you, but maybe we are.

Either way, no complaining later. That said, I think it's time everybody. Here we go. It's time to all clear the lungs. Let's go hear arms to the sky. Let's all shout. Shut up and give me murder. Let's do this everybody.

Let's go on a trip shall we? We are going to Kentucky this week. Yes, Pembroke, Kentucky is where we will be and Pembroke. And this is in western Kentucky. Only over on the west side there. It's about an hour to Nashville It's kind of the nearest big city to the area is Nashville about an hour 15 in the other direction To Benton, Kentucky, which was our last Kentucky episode taking in the strays that one was I remember that one

That was a crazy one. This is in Christian County Nothing subtle about that area code, but it was named after a guy, area code 270 and 364, both of them in this town. This is a tiny town by the way. Talk about another one of these towns that's under a thousand people, which is, those are small towns. This town was settled in 1836 and named for someone who does not exist. Okay. This was named after a fictional character. 36 and named for someone who does not exist.

Okay. This was named after a fictional character. It was named after Pembroke Somerset Esquire. It was a character in Jane Porter's 1803 novel, Thaddeus of Warsaw by Dr. Lunsford. Yeah,. Yeah, I didn't realize it either. You know, that was, it was on my list and I just never got to it. It's one of those books, you know. There's a lot of words in there that feel old-timey.

Yeah, I don't even. Thaddeus started it. First of all, Thaddeus of Warsaw. Would you read a book called Thaddeus of Warsaw right now? No. Who knows, maybe it's a literary classic. We're dumb, so we don't know anything about that kind of stuff So dr. Lunsford Lindsay is the guy who named the town after this so he was a local store owner

I assume they sold books there at the store. He ran. I would yes the doctor has a store That's yeah, the doctor has a store which I mean, maybe he was a pharmacist too. Yeah, who knows? Maybe he's just a doctor of literature. We don't know. We don't know. So the county is named for Colonel William Christian who was a native of Augusta County, Virginia. He was not even from here. Who was a veteran of the Revolutionary War. He settled near Louisville in 1785 and was killed by Native Americans in southern Indiana in 1786. So he survived the British but not the Comanche. So, uh,

reviews of this town. Okay. Here we go. Here's four stars. There's only two reviews. There's less than a thousand people. So four stars. Pembroke is a very nice town. Yeah, good way to start it. Very quiet with friendly neighbors. I wish their pest control service was open on the weekends as We woke up to a viper in our bedroom one day and no one to help us okay, this place is hell on earth now a Viper in your viper in your bedroom

Not even like you know was, I was in the yard, in my bedroom, just, you wake up, it's sitting on your chest staring at you, that's what I picture. Like, Henry Hill waking up with a gun in his face, this is a Viper. Wow, and I don't know really how you can take a star away from the town because the pest control business

is closed on the weekends, that has nothing to do with the town. And it's weird. It's a it's more than a pest. It's more than a pest. Yeah. It's a viper. Call animal control maybe then probably I would think or something.

A poisonous loose snake in your house. I don't know. Here's four stars. I enjoy being in the country. Things to do are reliant on your own proactive participation Which means there is shit to do that's what that means you have to come up with shit Yeah, you want fun you gotta have an imagination you gotta be like eight-year-olds without an iPad like you gotta make some shit up and

Figure it out Shoestring and a fucking coat hanger. Get to work and make something fun. You're gonna make a game out of this, do it. It is quiet and calming when the sun goes down, yet close enough to many activities. Would certainly do all over again. Really?

If I died and they said you wanna go back, only if I'm getting sent to Pembroke is what they said. Fine. People in this town, 791. Wow. Very small town. That's extremely small. More male than female people here, which is not usual.

That's usually the other way around. Median age is 38, it's right around the national average. Otherwise, it's all 56% married, which is well above the national average. Also, a lot of people, it's weird, you usually don't see a very high marriage rate and a very high single with children rate, but this town figures it out. 56% are married and 25% are single with children. So that's wild.

That says that what? 25% are neither less than 25% or 20% are neither married nor have children That's very low. That's very low race in this town 78.5% white 18.2% black and then pretty much zeros through the rest of the the rest of the way there 2.6% Hispanic that's about it religion. Religion in this town, 50-50 is the national average here, it's 54.6% and the definite mother load here goes to the Baptists, 33.8% Baptist. Baptists as we know are the Catholics of the South.

They're everywhere here. Down here only 4% Catholic, so that's how that works. The unemployment rate here is a little higher than the national average but nothing out of whack. Now the median household income here is actually really good. The rest of the country, 69,000 is the average here to $72,798 a year which not bad at all especially when you consider the cost of living is a little bit lower. One hundred is average here to seventy four point four. So not bad. Housing, the median home cost here is two hundred seventeen thousand seven hundred dollars,

which is also very doable, very doable, especially if you know, seventy two grand a year. It's not bad. That all equals out. So maybe we've talked to you and maybe you have a good imagination and you can come up with some shit to do for yourself If you can we have for you the Pembroke, Kentucky real estate report Average two-bedroom rental here goes for about eight hundred forty dollars, which is well Yeah, it's about a third under the national average. Here's a three-bedroom one bath home here it's a thousand fifty

two square feet so not a lot of room in there and it's basically a shed house I would call it a house shed. It's an apartment that is by itself. Yeah but it's I mean it look it's a shed that they put rooms in it's it's it's a metal building Oh, it's all metal. It's just a metal sides metal top It looks like you put the lawnmower here and the kids room over here like it's a real weird shed house There is this trend with barn dominions. This may have been yeah, no no no for it This is a shed where they're like y'all could live in that if you really needed to. Someone said that.

Some drywall, set up some aluminum channels and built a wall. It's plain, the kitchen and bathroom, they actually did some nice work on it where it's not too bad. So that is $160,000. No thank you. What? Yeah, it's a little much there, I think. Here is a five-bedroom, three-bath, 3,268 square foot house on two acres.

And it's a basic suburban dwelling, is basically what it is. You can see it, you know, and go, oh, there's a nice kind of bigger average home. Yeah, it's on two acres, which is nice. Inside, it is very, acres, which is nice. Inside it is very, very like early two thousands. It's, it needs a big time renovation. Uh, the carpets look a little sketchy in the bedrooms. It's one of those.

It could use some help. $484,000 for that. This place doesn't sound that that's not that affordable at all. And then finally four bedroom, four bath T T-Ball for each and every B-hole right there, baby. 4570 square feet. It's a big house. 3.63 acres. It's a big house.

It's fine. It's nice. Almost four acres. It's good. It's got pillars and stuff. I mean, it's got a lot of fancy stuff in it, too It's got a sauna and a tennis court and like shit like that like somebody really fancied it up somebody that like someone who's like pinnacle of high style was whatever was hot in

1987 decided to really do this place up Yes, but I'm getting a tennis court with a sauna next to it. $990,000. Almost. Out of your minds. Out of your fucking minds. How is... No. Not a chance. No way. Things to do here, the Hopkinsville International Festival. International. International Festival because obviously. We got tacos. Obviously, what do you think of

when you think of international culture? Kentucky. Western rural Kentucky, that's what I think of. It says immerse yourself in global culture without leaving Christian County. Well, I mean, doesn't get more convenient than that, everybody. That sounds great. Hopkinsville International Festival has been rapidly expanding

since the first event in 2009. Over the years, it has evolved into a bigger venue and more variety. The event celebrates our vast, the vast cultural diversity found in Hopkinsville. I gave you the cultural diversity It's fucking 80% white 20% black. That's a cultural diversity The global village is an essential festival destination You're invited to join in this exciting cultural exchange for like it's like Epcot Center except in Kentucky We get Doritos in a bag Walking walking Epcot Center except in Kentucky. We get Doritos in a bag. Yeah, we'll walk in, walk in whatever. Walk in tacos.

We are looking for people with an international heritage who are willing to set up a booth showcasing their country of origin. Please. We don't have any that live here. We're looking for you if you're out there. You don't have to be from here. No one said that. The International Festival presents a variety of different cultural dance performances, as well as musical groups.

The variety is growing every year and many of the performers provide provide an interactive session so that attendees can learn the dances for themselves. OK, now I looked it up. Oh, the 2024 festival was canceled, so they said they were taking a year off. They said, OK, we're going to regroup and come back. So once a they were taking a year off, they said. Okay. We're gonna regroup and come back next time. So once a year festival.

We'll take this year off. It's a little too much for us. So I looked it up. There is, these are the bands they've had over the past. Let's see, we've had Travis Tritt actually headline the fifth annual Hopkinsville Summer Salute. He did. To the limit, the ultimate Eagles experience.

An Eagles cover band. An Eagles cover band. Uh, African Nashville, a band that performed 2023, the Jimmy Church band. Yeah. A local band. Yep. There you go. A local band. Jimmy Church Band, a local band, yep, there you go, a local band. Jimmy Church, we knew. The Jason Montgomery Band, guess what that is, a local band. All these people open for Travis Tritt. Oh, totally, that's how they got on the gig. Travis turned me on to it. Clint Holmes, Nikki Harris, Keith Gans, these are all jazz performers, Travis Tritt, Olivia

Faye. What's the chances it's just a dude named Travis Tritt that lives there? Yeah, well they say it's a country music icon, otherwise I would say Travis Tritt with one T probably is not an up and comer. Travis with a Y. Yeah, Olivia Faye is an up and comer from Western Kentucky who opened for Travis Tritt at the 5th annual. Kyle Daniel also a country artist from Western Kentucky who opened for Travis Tritt. Crime rate in this town, Jesus Christ.

Property crime a little bit over half of the average, so almost half the average, so low is what we're saying. Violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and assault, the amount rush more of crime, is a little less than half the averages also. So it's pretty safe here, I would assume, obviously. What are you gonna do? That's right, there's nobody here.

You'd know exactly who killed you. That said, let's talk about some seriously Wild murder here. Let's get into this all right. Let's talk about a guy first Christian Richard Martin talk about first he doesn't go by any of those names though no no he goes He goes by kit KIT. Yeah, which is exactly what you would think right? He goes by Kit, K-I-T, which is exactly what you would think, right? Wait till you hear how he got that nickname, because it's fucking ridiculous. Yeah, it's a self-given nickname, which is always great. You can't do that.

He was born in 1968, and his family is a big military family. Everybody in the family is military. All the guys. His dad is a 30-year Air Force in the family is military. All the guys, his dad's a 30 year Air Force veteran, veteran served in Vietnam. His sister served in the Air Force and retired after 20 years. So they're a hardcore military family. The grandfather was in the army cavalry.

Wow. Yeah, grandfather was riding a goddamn horse with a fucking sword and shit. They still have the cavalry, but they're mainly free. It's mainly ceremonial. We're not going into ground combat against tanks and fucking missiles and sending a bunch of guys on fucking horses I would hope not. With like those shoulder things? Yeah with a big sword coming off and a plume on their hat. I don't think that's going on right now. A leather strap across their chest.

Let's hope not. Let's just say that I hope we've come more if we have stealth bombers and we're still like mount the horses gentlemen problems We are not using our resources efficiently I would say at that point so yeah, there's even a They would travel a lot When he was two kids family moved to Europe. Oh, where at? Around, I guess. He lived in Germany and other, all over.

They got transferred, I guess, around a few times. They traveled throughout Europe, and he got to experience all these other countries, and maybe the international festival thing was his idea. He came here, he's like, guys. He brought all the flavors he knows of. You have no idea. Everything from kraut to different kind of kraut.

It's great over there. Yeah, the French got a lot of desserts. So he lived in different parts of the world, and this didn't make him like the world more, it made him appreciate his own country more he said that's what he said I've heard that made me appreciate. You know I guess just it makes you appreciate a standard toilet I think probably yeah, and the same outlet in the wall the outlet yeah, and you can get like Cocoa Puffs like I don't know like whatever you know what I'm saying just Taco Bell's helpful. Yeah, yeah

They have those in England now, and they are really excited about it Are they oh my god English people Australian people are jacked about fucking love Taco Bell I was watching there's these videos of these They should they give American foods to these British like high school kids I've showed you some of these videos before and there's one where they give them Taco Bell and the looks on these kids faces It's like they you gave them their first hit of crack like the look is like oh shit I gotta get more of that like the look on their face is Crazy their eyes like like you could see the lights of their eyes all around. They're like oh my god. This is proper

This is amazing. Oh my god And they're just housing this shit. They love it. It's crazy. And you know what? My kids eat it. They certainly like, when I give them options of things that we cause for whatever reason, we're not making dinner. There's this, this, and this nearby Taco Bell's right. They all go Taco Bell. Yeah. All right. Well, that's what I'm making you eat. Then. All right. I guess. And then you eat it anyway.

I make them eat that too, because then it kind of like it's reverse psychology to me I don't know. It's me showing them what bad fast food isn't hopefully they don't want it But I fucking love that time. Yeah and Taco Bell's actually like the least bad for you kind of all of them Yeah, cuz they're even that's not even real beef. It's's soy. Shit. Nothing's real in there. They use real beef. They use beef, yeah. Jack in the Box uses soy in the tacos. Really? Yeah, that makes sense.

I don't even care, because they're delicious. It's some weird paste, I don't give a shit. I don't give a fuck. Put them in my face, they're so good. I love a Jack in the Box taco. Every once in a while, I'm sitting in New York just craving a Jack in the Box taco. Every time I go back to Phoenix,

it's one of the first things I do. It's not a tortilla, it's not meat, that's probably not cheese. No, but their hot sauce is so good too. It's like actually hot. That taco sauce is amazing. Fucking, oh my God, taco fucking, Jack in the Box taco sauce is crazy though. God damn it.

Okay, so one thing about Kit moving around a lot, and I understand this, because I went to fucking eight different schools or whatever, is when you move around a lot, you have to keep starting over, which is hard. You know what I mean? Never in a place long enough to really settle down. Never like get on a baseball team or something

for a couple years and have any lasting relationships or anything like that. He ends up, before he graduates high school, he signs up for the Army Reserves at age 17. Really? Yeah. So he graduated high school, then went right into basic training at Fort Knox. After that, he did a, he enrolled in the University of Nebraska and joined the ROTC program at University of Nebraska.

So he's in the reserves and the ROTCs and he worked nights and then attended school and did the weekends with the Army reserves. So busy. Very. Busy guy here. But the Army ended up gifting him with a scholarship or gifting him or whatever. I guess he earned a scholarship because of all the shit he was doing. So this is so they helped him out with his college here.

He meets a young lady named Stacy. Okay, now Stacy, he meets her at Fort Lewis, Washington. He is completing officer training for the ROTC and Stacy was in the ROTC and Stacey was in the ROTC program at Middle Tennessee State University and they dated a little bit and you know all that kind of thing. He finished his degree in Nebraska, she was doing her thing in Tennessee, they have a bit of a long distance relationship that they're going to keep together basically here. Now Kit graduates from the University of Nebraska in 1990 he's got a degree in geography, which I did not know you could earn a degree in Geo, I know where things are is a really strange college. Yeah, I memorized the globe

That's you good for you. You can point out Ghana on the map without any Countries being labeled. Terrific. How many countries are there? It's like 144 or something? There's more than that. Yeah, there's 200 something. There's not a gross of them? There's, yeah, no, no, not 144.

No grosses. So, yeah, geography, like I said, I didn't realize that was a, like a. Yeah, that's wild. You could get a degree in that. It's a class you take. Feels like a month of studying a globe it you should be done You should be I don't think four years it takes to figure out where the countries are probably but who knows I could be I'm

Sure, there's something more to it and we'll get messages saying you know actually it's all this There's like cartography involved in it and Matt. Oh no most I don't know so his scholarship came with the stipulation because the army gave him the scholarship to do this But obviously the stipulation is once you're done, then you come full time in the office as hours That's how that works. So he does that his first assignment was with the signal core at Fort Ord in California Fort Ord has come up so many times on this show. It's ridiculous It's a very common place to send people I guess Popular base really weird how many people on this show have gone had Fort Ord like you know roots or whatever

So he's not real thrilled with this by the way. This isn't his top assignment He doesn't want to be a signal officer, So he applied and was accepted to Army Ranger school. Great. So yeah, he said it was really bad, Army Ranger training. Yeah. My mother, back in the day, we lived with a guy who was her boyfriend

who was a Navy SEAL. And I- Your mom dated a Navy SEAL? Yeah, we lived with him for years. Yeah, yeah. He, number one, told me a bunch of crazy shit, but also, like, they had a video. They had like a yearbook and a video

when you graduate from the thing. Oh. So, yeah, no, not like a video. Here's us torturing a fuckin' Saudi Arabian man, no, no. So, he had like, they made video of their training. It's fucking insane, dude, the shit that they make those guys do. So any of those special forces, it's wild.

I mean, the stuff he told me about like- They damn near drown them several times. Oh, they drive, they drop out miles out. They run the boat in circles, so they don't know where they are. They drop them off with nothing, and they're like, find your way back to shore, assholes. Swim back, fucker.

Yeah, and they have to like make fucking flotation devices on a pants and shit while they're doing it It's fucking crazy. So it's like it's wild and also I guess that's to build a you know If you were one guy's drowning help him and all that kind of shit I guess and it teaches them how to lower their heart rate so that they're just fucking calm That what I do is teach them how to just be murderers. That and the tear gas shit they had to do was nuts. It was crazy. So anyway, that's what he does. He described this as really, really shitty, essentially here. He said later that he had signed up for the ranger course for more leadership skills. Saying though that it took him about six months to recover physically

from the Ranger training abuse from the just a gap horrible abuse so he ends up while he's at Fort Ord he flew to Tennessee to marry Stacy okay this is May 1991 he married Stacy he's 22 she's 25 a military wedding, like military, all in uniform and all that kind of shit. They said their vows, they walked through the, you know, sabers that they do, the whole military thing, and that was that. They walk off into the sunset here. Stacey ends up moving to California a month after that. She's done with her thing they have their first child a girl named Megan in December of 1992 so then you know they and they like California a kitten Stacey as a family they like going to the beach all the

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around that they have to do She's not used to and doesn't really like it now So they moved to Fort Lewis in Washington and were there for a while A he had a brief stint on active duty during Desert Storm That's her she did. I'm sorry. Then she resigned her position and She said that the primary factor was the possibility of the two of them being deployed and they... And again, what the fuck are you gonna do with her?

Why? Okay. I don't understand. If you're the army and you have a married couple with a kid, you can't deploy both of them. There you go. Problem solved. There it is.

Yeah. Only one of the couple can be deployed. That's it. Period. I mean, you got rules for all kinds of other shit. I don't understand why that's even difficult to fucking that should be like The easiest thing to deal with yeah, we can't send both parents over there to get killed. That's crazy Unless there's like an obvious enormous conflict where everybody's involved then listen to world war two even in world war two though There was you know what I mean if you were the breadwinner for the family and you had four kids

They didn't send you over there so your family could starve. That wasn't part of it, you know what I'm saying? Like, there's certain extenuating circumstances. If they have a little kid, I would say, all right, well, yeah, only one of you. So, I don't know. Kit wants to fly helicopters.

That's his ambition, to fly helicopters, which to me is the scariest thing in the world. That's, I don't know how it works, and I don't like it. Like it at all. I'm terrified by it, and they just crash a lot. I don't even wanna fly in one. No, fuck no.

Yeah, even if somebody's really, I don't wanna be in there. No. It doesn't make sense. I'd rather fly it than sit in it, put it that way. And I don't wanna fly it at all. I'm not doing that, yeah. I'm not doing that shit.

It doesn't make any sense. I don't know physics, but if I did, I would say that doesn't make any sense. Yeah, if something spins, anything attached to it is gonna fucking spin. I don't get it. Well, I mean, yeah, that's a whole other, I mean, your bike, your car wheel spin. I suppose, but they're not attached to something. The rest of the car doesn't tumble past it like with it That's all right, but I just I don't like how that does it I just get it

I don't want to just see it stop and then we plummet from the sky. That's what I'm worried about You guys the big fans gonna stop fucking crazy I would never stop staring at it out the window. It's all I'd be doing is making sure, there it goes, okay, I couldn't stop. I knew it. I knew it. So he resigned from active duty,

and he returned to the Army Reserves, which would allow him to take up flying. That was his point. So Stacy and the daughter here go back to Tennessee and stay with Stacy's parents for a little while while he completes his flight training. And Stacy gets a real estate license and all that kind of thing. And she's got her mom watching the kids, so it's an easier deal for her.

He tries to get jobs with different civilian organizations while in flight school. He has a few little jobs just to, you know, make ends meet. The flight school's in Fort Rucker, Alabama, by the way. He worked at a casket factory. How many of those could there be? You know what I'm saying? That's like how many hearse's are made a year. Like how many, there's this finite number of caskets that are going out every year. I don't know. I mean, you could really generate a shitload of them and then just sit back and coach on sales. That's as many as you want. They don't go bad or anything, right? No, and they're in constant need, right?

Yeah. And you know about how many you're going to need every year too. That's the other thing. Yeah. Because it's, you could just chart the population, how many people die and you can get probably within a couple thousand people of how many caskets are going to be needed for a year. So that's interesting. He also worked part-time as a karate instructor. So the two most weird jobs I can think of are karate instructor and casket factory worker. Those are so weird.

Caskets and karate, this guy likes. And he eventually landed a job pay that paid a little better in telecommunications in Atlanta, Georgia. He tried to commute from Alabama to Atlanta, which seems like quite the ride, I would say. But it became difficult and then he had to quit because he couldn't do it.

Yeah, if you're commuting two and a half hours each way It's not worth it once you get the job closer to home and that's telecommunications Well, I don't think it existed he that was in the city of Atlanta. I think he was in Fort Rucker, Alabama I don't think they had they had a casket factory. That's what they had And four kids with rickets and scurvy they wanted to learn karate. That was it So after getting his helicopter license, he took a job with air logistics which would fly helicopters out to oil rigs in the Gulf of Mexico and Land the crew out there. I guess yeah to ferry people back and forth because they have someone eyes if they need to yeah

Exactly if someone needs to get off the rig, they can't turn it around and take it all the way back to shore so they get a helicopter out there. Yeah, that rig is kind of anchored, right? It's out there, yeah. It's not moving. No one's making a pit stop for you. If you have to piss, do it now because we ain't pulling over. It's one of those things.

You don't go to shore for a lunch break. You're there. No, definitely not. So this would at least spend a lot of time away from the family with this too. Cause you would basically have to go all the way down there and you'd be on for two weeks and then you get five days off. On for two weeks to get five days off.

So that's how they did it. It's like a firefighter, but like. Yeah, yeah. A little more strenuous before you get your time off. No shit, so now Kit, how he got the name Kit, I guess his family called him Chris. No one ever called him Christian. That was never, his family called him Chris.

Stacy, his wife, only knew him as Chris. But apparently, because Chris is a very common name, real common name, apparently when he was in the guard there were just shit loads of guys named Chris in his class, just tons of guys named Chris. So he felt, he felt, not other people, all the Chris's should have got together and go we all need nicknames, let's give each other nicknames or something. He said I need a nickname, I can't just be another Chris in the crowd. I'm not that kind of guy here.

So he said that he remembered one camping and hiking trip as a Boy Scout where he visited the grave of Christopher Kit Carson. You know, the frontiersman, Kit Carson. And Kit Carson was also a cavalry scout and an army officer. So he said, he just adopted the name, just started introducing himself as Kit Martin. And people just, all right, he said his name's Kit. How you doing, Kit? Which if you moved to new places,

you could say your name's anything and just introduce yourself as that. That's your name now. Big Kit Carson fan. That's it. That's fucking hilarious. You can't do that if you live somewhere for like 30 years You can't just turn around and say I'm this guy now. They're like no you're not

Shut up, Chris Shut the fuck up Chris god damn it. We'll call you Chrissy until you're a grown man, then we'll call you Chris We'll call you Chris. God damn it. We we went to third grade together. Don't you tell me what your name is So kit and Stacey are gonna end up having two more children boys named chase and Zachary and Kit spent you know, you like hanging out with his family and shit like that Apparently he claims that he would you know help with all the chores and the dinners and all that kind of thing That's just his words. Who knows how true that is They they he liked to take the boys outside, apparently,

to help them, show them how to tend to the animals they had on their property. They had chickens, horses, and miniature horses. Oh, and the little ones. Well, aren't they ponies? I think, yeah. That's a miniature horse. I think that they had maybe the real tiny horses

Oh like the like yeah, the ones they have like the toy horses. Yeah rainbow colors and shit. Yeah. Yeah, I think maybe one of those but their their Relationship starts faltering here. They've been married 12 13 years and in March of 2004 Stacey asks for a divorce Now okay March of 2004, Stacey asks for a divorce. Now, okay. He doesn't know what to do with himself. They're gonna get divorced, they're gonna split up here. He's been in the military, he met her in the military. Other than-

Everything he knows is military. Yeah, he doesn't really know how to date. He's never really, you know, gone out and met girls and dated them and done any of that kind of shit. Like, I'm sure, I don't know if he's met him in bars and went home with him for a night or something, but he's Doesn't know how to like get a girlfriend really unless he runs into them at a work function, so Ball within your whites yeah, but at this point He was an army ranger

He has had over a thousand hours of combat flying including 500 hours while using using night vision gear Which is a separate thing You know all that kind of thing. He flew an Apache attack helicopter and You know all that kind of shit. So, you know, he's got a lot of life experience, but doesn't really know how to date so he married young didn't do that so he wrote a few words about himself and posted them on the, on Yahoo Personals, which is the greatest thing I've ever fucking heard in my life in 2004, in 2004, Yahoo Personals. That's a very 98 thing to do. I feel like,

right? Do those still exist? We have to find those. I don't know, but they do have Yahoooo answers which are fucking hilarious Right there's just ask any quest. They're so funny just that's the funny. Oh, it's so funny dude. Yeah, it's hilarious We'll do it as a bonus episode one of these days, but yahoo personals is where he posted one of the first women to contact him back was a woman named Joan and I guess her screen name was surfer girl Alright, so they meet in person for lunch at at Oh Charlie's is that I don't know if that's an Irish sports bar Or that place in the mall of bad sandwiches in the food court. Which one is that? That's just called Charlie's. Okay, steak

All right, okay all the time. It's not Oh court. Which one is that? That's just called Charlie's. Okay. Charlie's Steakery. Alright, okay. I eat that all the time. It's not O'Charlie's. That shit is awful. That is so bad. It's so fucking bad. I gotta buy one and get one at your house and I housed both.

I remember! I remember! I don't even know that I was getting two, it just showed up with two. I was like, well, I'm eating all of it. I know, I was like, oh man. And then what happened to you? You got good and sick from that shit you're like I should eat that much Charlie's I blame the hot mayo still.

Yes, that's exactly what it was. They gave you cooked mayo. They put fucking mayo on it and I was like, well, and I noticed it halfway through the second. I was like, what? Well, that's that I guess. Well, I've already put all that in me. Whatever.

When they cook it like bakes into the bread. It's not good. You can't get it out. Not like you can scrape it off or anything. Boy did I get sick. Oh yeah, that was a good one. I was like, I don't wanna kick you while you're down, but you think maybe you brought this on yourself?

Ah, yeah. Oh Christ. So yeah, Kit, now the divorce is final, but Kit is still living at the house Yeah, now awkward yeah, I guess he tell I don't know if this is true or not But he's telling everyone that he was staying in the bonus room in their extra room while waiting for the house to be sold So he's like well, we can't afford to you know go get separate to yeah Yeah places so kit said they were just roommates by this point

That's what he's telling everybody so he has a date with Joan He told Stacey he was leaving early to go to work rather than saying that he had a date So Stacey said hmm. I don't know about this so she followed him We're divorced. You're it's over divorced. Yeah, and this is why so no She stays he was very upset when she saw kit be actually going out on a lunch date to Oh Charlie's with Joan and It's alright he'll be back later at home trust me he's gonna want to stay next to that home base toilet later hope there's a bonus toilet yeah no one else has to use let's hope for that a bonus shitter so now Joan Harmon is Joan Joan Harmon

Gara actually she was married to a guy named Carlos Guerra. Joan's parents were divorced. Her father, who she accused of abuse also, her father was a Navy officer. Okay. So this makes sense. This is, you know. I can see, but.

A lot of times the people who come from military families look for military people because they're just used to that fascinating though, but if you if you're if your ex-wife was Or if your mom was a Navy officer and beat the shit out of you Yeah, would you look for a Navy officer woman? No, but also people get abused and then look for People with the qualities of the abusers. That's just, that's psychology. Until you get a shitload of therapy, that's how your brain works, you know?

Like, you look to repeat cycles, so maybe that's, I'm not sure. Her mother was a nurse, and yeah, she's pretty attractive here. She's described in a book as quote, petite but had a shapely figure and long blonde hair. Blonde with big tits, very nice. Big titted blonde girl. Yeah, that's gonna be that's a tough sell so Real tough sell yeah, you can't get them out there at all you know especially

They just sit on the shelf those gals you know those are not in demand no no no no one likes big breasted blondes quite obsolete basically non-existent at this point really So she she told kit that she had three children Oldest one being seven years old at the time. She's got two little girls and the oldest is a boy by the way She said that the father of her son had died in a logging accident and had been decapitated in that accident. God damn! My son's father has been fucking beheaded in a logging accident, which is a very odd ...

In 2004? That's a wild time to happen. Yeah, if you heard that happen in 1876, you'd go, that's dangerous work right there, but decapitated in a logging accident. Probably fell into that saw with that eight foot diameter circular saw. From the Patreon episode, yes. Totally, man.

Yes, exactly. I can see it. But this is like, I mean, from what I understand, it's one of the most dangerous jobs, actually, logging. Probably, yeah. It's very dangerous, but I don't know about decapitations, if that's normal. That seems like they should probably work something out where people's heads stay on. Yeah, Osha should get on board with that.

Yeah, yeah. So she said that was her first child's father, decapitated. She said the two girls at that time, at the time they were two years old and nine months old, she said she that husband she was divorced from him. So she painted a negative picture didn't didn't say that the said that her ex husband was pretty shitty and that she had concerns for her safety. She said that he used to stalker and threaten her and once they broke up he broke into her apartment. I mean it's only been 18 months since they stopped seeing each other.

The most so now I don't know like I said if this is just how someone she was like looking for you know what I mean almost not consciously but subconsciously what your brain does here so kit agreed To rent a u-haul and help Joan move into a rental property that he owned So you can move into my rental place, and he didn't charge her rent and even paid for her food and bills That's an interesting choice. That's what he says. Yeah, that's what he did He's like yeah I had to had to help help old Joan out here get her away from that. He's got a rental property, and he's staying in his ex-wife's house. That's what I'm saying.

And he's staying in the bonus room of his ex-wife's house. How about, I'll be at the rental property that we own if no one's there. If it's open, and just ladies can just move in at any time. Now, she apparently, from what some people say, they say she had some inconsistencies in her stories about her parents and the fathers of her children and stuff like that Kit said he he broke up with her shortly after she moved into his rental property because he was unsure of her and what she

Was all about but they got back together When Joan called to say that her brother died in Iraq when Joan called to say that her brother died in Iraq Like not just had a heart attack eating a falafel actually like in the military so Yeah, so kit met with Joan after to offer his condolences And then you know that's always gonna lead to fucking death will get you will lead to fucking every time. It's really weird There's only so many rubs on the shoulders you can do in a real weird friendship way Yeah, it's impossible to not feel a little better. I think that's why you know and also eventually you got a meander around to the titties If you just come and you got to feel a little better at least for a minute

You know what I mean just a little bit there'll be regret in a little while, but you know for now so At that time kit applies for the aviation captain's career course at Fort Rucker, Alabama. So yeah, and he's kind of getting into her family as far as the kids know him and all that kind of thing. He decided he was gonna go back to to active duty and he was, they were saying that, you know, he'd probably be sent overseas somewhere. So they discussed getting married and they do, they get married. I guess, oh, they showed up at the courthouse

December 7th, 2004 to inquire about getting a marriage license, but ended up just getting married on the spot. Just getting the license and putting it through, and then they realized they got married on Pearl Harbor Day, which they were like, oh shit, that was a dumb. I mean, it's the day of the living infamy. Yeah, we'll never forget it, I guess. You can't, yeah.

You can't forget it. What's your anniversary? It's September 11th. What's your anniversary? Hold on a second. This day, December 7th, okay, wait, yeah, that's December 7th, 19, no, not at 9, 1941, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not,

not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not,

not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not the army and he was paying Stacey $1,728 a month in child support as well Three kids so Yeah, it's not not doing well there obviously financially. That's that's time so 2005 he is assigned to go to Germany

with the army. So Kit and Joan took a belated honeymoon cruise of the Mediterranean before they moved to Germany. Well, they must have had some money. Doing fine. You know? $5,000 it cost, they said. Sure. They basically put it in credit cards, debt,

just to do it, you know? So I guess, you know, I guess you know there was some Fighting between odd there was weird thing is they seemed to get along with Joan and Stacey would fight kit said yeah He said that he wrote quote my daughter Mackenzie That's Megan Mackenzie the first kid has always been very strong smart a straight-a student if given the choice I think she would prefer to live with us as they were he was trying that they were doing a court thing here And the I guess the kid Megan McKenzie there I guess Kit wanted to fly his kids to Germany to show him to show them where he lived when he was a kid

Stacey though the ex-wife would only allow them to visit Germany if she was allowed to come along I guess so he couldn't keep them in Germany. I guess that's her see though the ex-wife would only allow them to visit Germany if she was allowed to come along I Guess so he couldn't keep them in Germany. I guess that's her So Kit said Joan wasn't gonna be okay with that So kit would end up having to fly back to the United States when he wanted to see the kids Rather than that rather than have his ex-wife come stay at the Stay with you guys that That could be weird. So now, during their marriage here, they end up moving back to the States, as we'll talk

about. But during all this, Joan and Kit live with her daughters and also her son, Justin Elijah, who goes by Elijah. Nobody goes by their first name in Kentucky, by the way. Nobody does, it seems like. We've had four characters, none of them goes by their first name in Kentucky by the way nobody does it seems like We've had four characters none of them go by their first name male characters so um Iraq now to kit served three tours of duty in Iraq and Then in 2010 is when they moved back to the states they had to Rhode Island Where I guess kit pursued a master's degree in national defense at the Navy War College

By this time he reached the rank of major by the way. That's a big deal pretty good up there Yeah majors high up there His first military assignment after War College was Fort Campbell, Kentucky with the hundred and first Airborne Division. So yeah Moves to Kentucky. And Fort- That's the first one, right? That's like the first deployed, right? The first deployed, I don't know.

I know the numbers in front of the air, it's just to throw off the enemy. But that 101st, I think that's the first one's deployed. No fucking clue. I couldn't have any less idea about that. No clue. So they moved to Kentucky, Fort Campbell's in Western Kentucky, and Joan found a house online in Pembroke, Kentucky.

Okay. This is where we are. So she told Kit she needed something to keep her occupied and fixing up an old house would work. So she wanted to get an older house and fix it up. You bet it will. That'll keep you occupied for five, ten years. That'll keep your whole entire life every second of your goddamn day occupied and your dreams too.

Yeah. Unless you're hiring a contractor to do everything for you, this is going to destroy you. And even then, it will take over your life and destroy it also. Even if just not doing the work doesn't help at all. Your house is still destroyed and you can't live in it. It's almost like I think doing the work would be easier. At least you know what's going on as a contractor. You're like, it's never going to stop.

At least you know the stage you're at. Yeah, they just keep showing up and I don't know where they're going to be done. I keep hearing hammering. I don't know I wake up to saws every day That's all I know I wake up to saw again. I thought that was done. I don't know So Kit said yeah He liked an older home, and he found you know one he wanted some extra land too He wanted some acreage, and you wanted to get a couple farm animals Mini horses you know what I mean, so those ponies

animals mini horses you know what I mean so yeah kid had lived on a farm before and he said carry thought that maybe caring for animals would also help the kids learn some responsibility so they bought a house at auction for $60,000 Wow yeah 60 grand at auction so yeah and this was in 2010 I believe so there's a lot of houses open So their first job they did to it was to repaint it and they did because I guess you know paint falls off And you got to have good paint on there or else your house will rot away So they paint it bright yellow, which is quite the choice Something that's something I That's something that's something I

Colors I will never do and that's new new new new no okay for like a weird sports car or something not okay for a house Not your house. Nope. There's a few yellow houses around me and they are hideous Every time hit is never seen that yellow house and been like that's the ticket That's the shit we I've showed you the school bus yellow one that one house that we can see it from space It's a huge, like a 7,000 square foot fucking monstrous house, bright, horrifying yellow, you can see it from miles away. Dude, it is, it really is, it's scary. So they, they're in Pembroke,

and this is when they actually get to spend some time together, Joan and Kit, because they're actually doing normal shit here, you know what I mean? Like living a normal life. And then he would get a military assignment and be gone for a while, and he'd come back. So obviously this is gonna cause some strife in the relationship, as it often does here.

And by the way, Kit claims that Joan lost interest in the remodeling efforts and caring for the animals and the garden She just gave up right away. Oh this gave up. I don't want to do this. Well, that's overwhelming She's probably just like I don't know why can't fucking do this all by myself. This is crazy These geese shit a lot so much Now apparently kit claims that Joan spends much of her day hanging out across the street with a married neighbor a guy by the way yes

Not another nice not another married woman that they've discussed their shit with Joan said that they were discussing business opportunities You know that goes obviously lots of business up They needed to be discussed all day long all the time to every day Just you know lots of new stuff coming up all the time So this neighbor's name is Calvin Phillips, and he goes by Cal and he lives across the street from their house there he was also a 17 year military veteran and Yeah, I guess they wanted to offer

one of their business ideas, Joan and Cal, was to offer concealed carry classes behind Cal's house, because he has land, so they can do shooting shit back there. The concealed weapons class should only be on paper and in books. No, no, no, you do it in the backyard. No, no, you do it in the backyard. All right. You do it in the backyard in No, no, you do in the backyard.

You do it in the backyard in rural Kentucky. Don't you know anything, Jimmy? Jesus Christ. Sorry, I have to keep educating you about shit, Jimmy. No, that's what I mean. Just where the place where Cal's backyard is a little odd. So Pembroke does not allow target shooting within city limits, but Cal's backyard crossed the county line. The county line runs through his property. Cal's backyard. Oh my god. So, he was able to set up a shooting range just over the county line over here.

50 yards from the house. Jesus Christ. They even held a class there. They had an instructor and everything like that. Joan took the class using a pistol that Kit had here. Cal's wife Pam worked at a bank in Hopkinsville, Kentucky. Kit always suspected that Joan and Cal were having an affair.

Kind of have to. You know, because they're home during the day and it took from day, every day all afternoon they came up with, we could put a shooting range in your backyard. Yeah. What were you doing the rest of the time guys? Jesus Christ. So September 5th, 2012 Kit asks Joan for a divorce Does he want to divorce? Yes, he initiates a divorce

Apparently now this is the only person people who say this are Kit and kits daughter. Okay that during an argument regarding the divorce that during an argument regarding the divorce, Kit's daughter says she overheard Joan tell Kit that she would ruin his life and military career if he left her. Which I mean, people have said worse than that. But either way, that's, that's, they claim he said that she said that,

but that's the only proof we have here. So she decides she wants to move out of the house since they're getting a divorce and shit. So she asked her neighbors, Cal and Pam, the couple across the street, to help her move out of the residence here. So Cal, by the way, is 59, his wife Pam is 58. Real nice 60-year-old people across the street,

and you're like, get in the middle of my fucking marital strife would you? Well you drive a U-Haul for me. Jesus if this was like a hundred years ago those people would be considered like elderly and you leave them alone. Not that that's elderly now but goes from that to hey guys will you help me move out of my fucking house. Don't bother them they're contemplating and very depressed about how they're about to die. They want to know where their final resting place is going to be, and they're talking about it.

Leave them alone. That's all. Leave them to their bread pudding. That's it. Yeah, they have no teeth left. That's how it was 100 years ago. So during this, Cal observes what he believed to be, because he was in the military,

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located on a laptop computer and computer disks. Why he was firing up laptops and browsing through the files and looking through the disks. I have no fucking clue in the world, but that's what happened. The computer and the disks all had classified, right the fuck on them real big sticker across the top of the laptop Big red letters that are just like a rubber stamp. Yeah big one part of the letters are missing But he can tell that that's a nose. Yeah, so Cal took the items and turned them over to the FBI What yeah, that's a step That's a big step. He took you took shit out of my garage and called the FBI called the FBI on me

For it. Yeah for this so turns out there's some reason for that Apparently that there was a word. Yeah now Joan has some problems also here They basically they found out that there's accusations from her ex-husband that she basically kidnapped her daughters from her ex-husband. That's what the accusations are. So that's what's going on. Now at the same time, this is when Joan tells Cal and Pam that Kit has been physically abusive to both her and her son Elijah.

So there we go. She gave Cal photographs depicting the young man's injuries which Cal then turned over to military police. Cal will tell on you boy. Cal's a rat. Jesus Christ, don't smoke a joint in your back porch. Cal's going to be on the phone with the local cops immediately. Cal's got some loose fucking lips.

Man, I would say so. So Cal tells another neighbor named Danzerow is his last name, that he wants a divorce from Joan and all he said, I think she's been having an affair. Kit says that, yeah, Kit says that. So, and everything like that. So they're talking to all their neighbors here. Now, the accusations she levels at him for child abuse get deeper than that.

Okay, she also accuses him of molesting her daughters. Okay. Yes, one of the daughters said that Kit had given them baths more than five times but less than ten times. The other daughter couldn't remember more than one or two times. Elijah the son said he witnessed the abuse on at least one occasion. The one daughter said she couldn't remember Elijah being present when she and her sister took baths. The first daughter said she couldn't remember Elijah being present when she and her sister took baths. The first daughter that we talked about said that Kit was clothed when he gave them baths, whereas Joan claimed that he took baths with the girls while fully nude, which would be

obviously horrifying. That's a terrible thing to do. Yes. Alma said in one statement that Kit always used to wash cloth when bathing them, and Alma said in one statement that kid always used a washcloth when bathing them and then in another statement She said sometimes he used his bare hands She said that the one girl said that when she was about five kit would bathe her and her sister She this is from what she told investigators now She claimed that he would put soap on a rag and insert his finger into her

Elijah then said that that he had witnessed the abuse a rag and insert his finger into her. Oh my God. Elijah then said that he had witnessed the abuse, which this young lady said happened more than five times but less than 10. See, there's different versions of the story here, but there's always that number that comes up. So Elijah said that Kit would hit him with his hands, a belt, a whip or anything else he could get his hands on. He said that Kit would

get angry for no reason and beat him up. He said that he never did his chores well enough for Kit and that Kit and that you know Elijah said he'd always get a beating no matter what he had assigned to him. So there's pictures of this here, and Elijah said it happened when they lived in Rhode Island. He said he and some friends accidentally knocked over a porta potty, which is disgusting.

Accidentally? I don't know how you accidentally knock over a porta potty. Those are pretty sturdy. Yeah, unless you did it with like a vehicle or something. There's no way they're doing it. Yeah, they're not like a lamp. No. A soccer ball doesn't knock that over.

Oh, shit, no. You know what I mean? Unless you had like a vehicle or something. There's no way to do that. Yeah, they're not like a lamp. No. A soccer ball doesn't knock that over. Oh shit, no. You know what I mean? Unless you had like a pickup truck you backed into it with or something. It's hard to knock those fuckers over. You'd have to, both of you, throw shoulders into that. Like a football tackling dummy. I've seen people do it,

and they usually rock it from both sides. Yeah, because it's got liquid in there, and that's the stable part. It's like a basketball hoop in your driveway. It's one of those with the sand and the liquid in the base. That's what it's like. With hundreds of pounds of liquid in it. There's a lot. They don't want it to be tipped over by the wind while you're shitting in it. That would be bad. Or when you're not and you just did. Bad feature that would be. Yeah. So he said when Kit found out about it, he made Elijah and his friends

Put the porta potty upright and clean up the mess which seems extremely reasonable Yeah, I if my kid knocked over a porta potty. I'd be like you fuckers are picking that up I'm not touching getting some gloves and some paper towels. You're going to work here Sorry He said he then made Elijah take a shower After the show which I mean he was covered in shit So that's again blue water. Yeah reasonable so far at this point after the shower while Elijah says He was dressed only in boxer shorts kit started beating him with a belt He told investigators that kit hit him with the leather and the buckle end of the belt both

Elijah also told investigators after the beating Kit made him cut the grass with scissors. Okay. That took a while. That'll take, they have acres. That'll take a minute I would say. My question is you gotta make them get a comb in there too and do it so it's even or how do we do it? Yeah. Just, or is it just all hacked up? Willy nilly hacked up like somebody who sat at two

in the morning, which one? Does he get the texturizing scissors and give it a real nice? Oh, there we go, the thinners? A good, yeah. Yeah. A good look. Love those thinning scissors, those are great.

According to Elijah, he got a lot of abuse from Kit including whippings from a Roman whip made of leather straps with stones attached to the strips ends. That's what he claims. Wow. Joan later said that the Roman whip had metal burrs on the ends of each strip not not stone. Either way. Either way, hard things. Cat-o-nine tales, right? Isn't that what that is? That shouldn't make your dick at all hard.

No, nobody should be hit with that. That's crazy. No, that's horrible. Another instance of abuse, according to Elijah, occurred when he got caught stealing a necklace from his mother to give to a girl, which sounds dumb teenager shit here. Kit took him down to the basement where he essentially treated him like he was Marcellus Wallace going to the pawn shop. He tied him up with duct tape and blindfolded him.

After 20 minutes, Kit returned, he said he left him there,, about 20 minutes he returned and punched him in the stomach. He said Kit then used a knife to cut him loose and made him stand in the corner until his mom told him he didn't have to stand in the corner any longer. Okay, Elijah also said that Kit always wanted to wrestle. Come on, let's wrestle. And that the wrestling would often end with him in a choke hold and not able to breathe. Come on, let's wrestle. And that the wrestling would often end with him in a choke hold and not able to breathe.

Come on, let's wrestle so I can choke you. So what you're saying is you lost a lot. Yeah, he didn't do very well. He said that Martin referred to the wrestling as WrestleMania, which is great. It's WrestleMania time, motherfucker. No, I don't want to have WrestleMania. Main event, bitch bitch let's go me and you cutting promos on him Wow he described one occasion where he had

purple dots all over his face due to a lack of oxygen yeah I was gonna say you know particular like if you were strangled. And one of the young ladies here, the daughters also added that they would all get smacked if the daughters would get smacked if they tried to intervene in this at all. Well, I mean, yeah, it's against the rules. You can't hit them with a chair on the outside of the ring. The ref isn't gonna call for that.

You can't grab my leg. You can't grab, you can't grab for that when I'm going to the ropes to come off with a clothesline. This is crazy. Obviously. Trying to do my finishing move and you're just in the way. The fuck, man. Obviously, you know, nothing funny, but it's crazy.

Anyway, the idea of I'm going to have WrestleMania with my stepson and choke him out. You can't cheat. Kick his little girl managers away as they try to run in the ring is fucking crazy No, bitch valets really get take that that's right cutting promos So Elijah's first account here Look, I said the porta potty incident now he says that he was beaten with a belt after the porta pot Potty incident but Joan said it was a bamboo stick and Elijah later said that it was a belt and a bamboo stick okay okay now Elijah said his mom took pictures of his bruises the day of the

beating and that's what she he said Joan will testify later that she took photos the day after the beating. So they're going to say obviously the beating didn't happen because they got they're not on the same page of a day of a day after. So obviously they both made it up clearly. That's that's his his you know his stance on the whole thing here. In one version Elijah said the beating lasted three minutes and another he said it lasted 20 minutes

the duct tape inch incident Elijah said his hands and feet were duct taped and his eyes were covered with what he thought was also duct tape He said that he was sitting on the bed and that major Martin came into the room and punched him in the stomach Elijah then claimed kit returned a few minutes later removed the tape of the knife Elijah then claimed Kit returned a few minutes later and removed the tape of the knife. Joan's version was slightly different. She said, quote, My daughter Alma came running into the kitchen saying, Daddy's hitting Elijah. We had a basement and she told me Elijah was down in the basement.

I ran down there and looked in the guest room, which was dark. I noticed Elijah was in the room on his knees with his wrists duct taped behind his back. I also noticed Elijah was duct taped around his mouth and had two pieces of tape covering his eyes. Elijah was sitting in the dark on his knees, duct taped and of course I freaked out. Yeah, that's as anybody would. Alma was just crying and her eyes were swollen. I then ran to get the scissors and ran down and cut the duct tape off him. He immediately started crying,

so I stood him up and walked him upstairs. Now Kit, Elijah said Kit came in, punched him and cut him loose. And in a sworn statement, Joan said Elijah told her that Kit kept coming into the room and hitting him, applying that it happened, applying that it happened more than once. So they're taking slight discrepancies and saying it obviously didn't happen. That's their thing, which is, you know, a crazy abusive night a couple years beforehand.

I feel like maybe things get a little whatever. So a little hazy. He found an email that Jones sent to herself on May 2, 2011. The subject line read, Elijah tipped over the portable toilet. Email contained four images and the following message, pictures of what Kit did to him after he got in trouble for tipping over a porta potty with a neighboring boy near our home. Which is what neighboring means. Okay.

So here are the pictures holy fuck if that's real that's crazy if that's real that is fucking horrifying face he's got all over his back oh my god his back looks like he is in he was a fucking star to the root Jango. It looks fucking crazy He's got a cool to kente back right now. This is fucking Bonkers, oh my god, just say Toby Elijah Jesus Christ. Don't take the beating anymore Fuck my life dude, this is that's so bad It's everywhere and being so mad at a child that you hit no that I can't know no

That's this is it's a arms face the back is horrifying and the arms of the face It looks like the cheeks on the left side of his face Were hit because he was swinging so wildly at his back that he just yes act him in the face That's what it looked like it almost looks like a buckle mark up there. I don't know. So Joan said she deleted the pictures off the camera, then sent them to herself in an email so Kit wouldn't find them on the camera

and get mad at her. So anyway, Joan also tells investigators that Kit would slap her across the face whenever she tried to intervene when he was abusing Elijah. She said he would choke her to the point of nearly losing consciousness, which seems to be a routine, a thing.

Common theme here. She claimed that Kit would threaten to kill her if she ever left him. So, according to Joan, also, here are some more accusations from Joan once this all comes out and the divorce is on the table here. According to Joan, while in Germany, Kit once held one of the little girls by her foot and dangled her off the balcony of a three-story marble staircase and laughed.

He was just doing a Michael Jackson impersonation. That's hilarious. She said he would whip the other little girl with the Roman-style whip. He would would take baths nude with the girls telling them they had to get comfortable with nudity because they were in Europe And there was a lot of nudity in Europe No, just cuz you can have your tits out at the beach doesn't mean you're there should be a cock Babies bathwater, I don't think so Totally different thing there guys Wow

Joan also told a story about kit punching Eliza in the face Elijah in the face so hard that it knocked his glasses off and then she said kit stomped on his glasses with his foot and crushed Them which is like jokes on you asshole. Now. You gotta buy me new glasses them which is like jokes on you asshole now you gotta buy me new glasses. You just made yourself a bill you moron. When I go to school and I can't fucking see they're gonna go they're gonna send a letter home going get this kid glasses he can't see. You just cost yourself $400. That was stupid of you. Joan also told the investigators that she took the concealed carry class at Cal's house because she feared for her life and wanted to protect herself from Kit. Joan said quote I just felt trapped I felt like I could not get out and it was class at Cal's house because she feared for her life and wanted to protect herself from Kit.

Joan said, quote, I just felt trapped. I felt like I could not get out and it was hopeless. In the beginning of the relationship, I thought he just needed help or counseling. But as time went on, I wanted out. I just wanted to get us out. So the agent asked her if she could expand on her fears. And he she said, I was afraid he was going to kill me. And I was afraid he was going to kill me and I was afraid he was Going to kill or seriously hurt one of my children

My son was trying to protect me as he got older and I was afraid he was going to get seriously injured or killed as time went on Okay, that's a pretty pretty you know on the nose statement there so Wow now Alma one of the kids also said I think that's the one kid, said that she said that Kit told her if she or any of the other kids told anyone about the abuse, he would kill them. She said that if any of them had a black eye, they were supposed to say they ran into something. She claimed that when they lived in Germany, he always walked around naked.

I'm just being German. You're lucky I'm not pooping on sit on stuff. Just it's cool leaderhosen No, that's Germany. Yeah Especially when that's all you're wearing yeah, just that with your cock dangling down. It's not good. I'm putting the hose in hosing. Exactly. My own version of leader hosing. So Elijah tells us a story about how kit injured his foot. He said that he was in a barn and didn't put a lid on a container correctly. Elijah did. And he said that kick got angry,

pushed him down, and scraped his foot on the barrel. The picture that they all paint of Kit was that he's a, you know, a lunatic, and that he would basically just be horrible for them. They said that he treated his biological children well, but not them. Some evil stepdad shit they're claiming here.

They said that the biological kids would get new clothes and nice things while there these kids had to shop at Goodwill he's like well they're not my kids I ain't fucking buying them clothes so she the one daughter said when she started her period Kit called her fat ugly and worthless and that Elijah said he was often called an idiot, a loser, a four eyes, and a dork. Four eyes. Four eyes. Yeah.

Hey, four eyes! How'd you like that? It's bad enough going to school. You gotta come home and you're like, ah fuck, this is worse than gym class. Jesus Christ, man. He's gonna start pegging me with a kickball next. Just fucking over and over again Fight those kids were the same size. This guy just wants to call me a dork and then body slam

Yeah, he's a fucking major in the army wants to choke me out DDT me after he calls me for no shit Elijah said that kit had a friend who was a police officer He said that on the night of the big argument that his that kits friend Said that he didn't see any kind of signs of abuse this police officer Elijah said he and his mom had large red marks across her face or he said his mom had large red marks across her face and The one of the daughters added that kit threatened to kill her that night if she said anything to the police So these are the accusations that are leveled against heavy. Holy shit. They're fucking heavy. So during all this by the way

She moves out and all that kind of stuff. He has another girlfriend So at one point her name is Laura They interview Laura the police go to interview Laura to do a welfare check on her to make sure that she's not full of black eyes and belt marks and shit like that. Laura told the investigators she was aware of the allegations against him and Laura told the cops she coaxes her kids to lie about things that happened. Oh. Yeah.

So, but I guess the investigators tried to question Basically kept asking her if she was in a be an abusive relationship And kept asking and asking now. There's this book that is very much a Kits the man book basically and they say that they the cops harassed her to the point of badgering her to see if she Was in a abusive relationship I Think they're doing their job. That's what they're supposed to do right I mean

Oftentimes somebody in an abusive relationship will say no Yeah, you have to ask several times and yes different ways assure them you can keep them safe things like that Yeah, it's gonna be okay. Yeah, you feel that you are threatened they ask different different verbiage to get them to admit because eventually It's like you're being extorted by the mafia. Yes, I'm the first that the mafia extorting you. No, no, no, no Vinnie's my pal No, we're great. No, we're tight charging you money for what he calls. No, no, no, no, no No, I mean I lend him a couple of bucks once in a while But that's just cuz Vinnie gambles. Oh, okay. Has there ever been any mysterious fires around here? Well no and well actually there was but not

After I started loaning Vinnie money, then they all stopped You gotta keep going With it so they asked about Kits temper and whether she had ever witnessed him losing it She replied she'd never seen kit loses temper with her or anyone else they showed her the picture of the alleged abuse of Elijah and her quote was I'm sorry She said that the agent told her women don't often want to admit they're in an abusive relationship at the time or they miss early

Abusive behavior. Let me show you this Laura said she was a nurse and knew the signs of abuse she told them that she had endured endured 17 years of verbal abuse by her previous husband and would not allow herself or her kids to be around that kind of abuse again and They talked to her kids and I guess her kids one of them described kit as cool And said the only time he ever heard kit yell was at the dogs The other kids said that she felt safe didn't have any concerns and that kit never abused or touched her inappropriately Okay, so there's that

Anyway, they said that while they while they looked around here they didn't find the writing Roman whip anywhere by the way well they just you know they didn't have like a search warrant yeah and Laura told them she didn't know anything about bamboo sticks yeah that's it so kit, he complains, he says Joan, abandon her. That's abandon him, that's what it was. Yeah, he says that basically Kit learned that, I guess when he was in Iraq, he learned that she wasn't getting along well with the other army wives.

And before leaving Germany, Kit came home from work to find what he claimed was total chaos with Joan cussing at Elijah and beating him and the girls screaming and that's when he wanted a divorce at that point. That's when he first started wanting one because she was out of out of her mind. So September 11th, 2012, this is when Kit learns about the photographs that they police have and that she has with Elijah. So this is six days after he asked her for a divorce and seven days before there was an emergency protective order

hearing. Now in his statement Kit mentioned the photographs in a statement to a family advocacy representative he said this is the the representative said I had a follow-up appointment oh no this is him this is Kit I had a follow-up appointment with LCDR Belgrave of the family advocacy program I was hoping this meeting might provide some information as to the health and safety of my stepchildren as I had requested, or maybe a follow on to my wife, Joan's mental health. Instead I learned that my wife had escalated her attacks and slander on me by claiming I had abused my children.

She even produced photos of my stepson, EJ, apparently depicted extensive scratches or burns across his back. I had never seen these photos before nor those alleged injuries I was shocked by what they apparently showed and the accusation that I had done this So yeah, um, he said that His first thought was they stay told him these these injuries occurred while you were living in Rhode Island and he said oh These injuries occurred while you were living in Rhode Island and he said, Oh, I think I know what those were.

That's not abuse. Those are rug burns from his jujitsu lessons. I was giving him on his back, like on his face. Yeah. Just all over himself. You got burns. What kind of brother you get a mat asshole. Number one, grab a mat.

Why don't you? Crazy. This is crazy. He said Elijah also practiced with a high school wrestling team for several months when they first moved to Pembroke. Another possibility Kit offers was that Joan may have been the one who caused the injuries.

Okay. He said, the only time I've ever witnessed a serious incident with my stepson was when I returned home from work one day while stationed in Germany I heard yelling and screaming from the backyard and thought someone was hurt when I ran around the corner I saw my son EJ step which hits J. E. It's Justin Elijah. It's so weird Okay, um stay on the second rung of the ladder about a foot off the ground his sister Justin Elijah and he goes by Elijah or EJ.

Don't get it. Okay. Whatever. His sister Alma was on the sub-roof of the main roof above him and my wife Joan was beating EJ with a broom or a stick across the back and shoulders yelling obscenities such as fucking pussy and fucking coward. Awesome. Wow. I yelled at her but she didn't seem to notice I was there.

I didn't know how long she'd been doing this, but I had to restrain her to get her to stop. Imagine being the Germans what they thought of all this if this happened. Like fucking America, just what we all thought everybody. Holy shit. Nope, no, it's Jerry Springer. It's yeah, I know we got it out here. Same thing. Nope. No, it's Jerry Springer. It's yeah. I know we got it out here same thing Yeah, I was finally able I was then finally able to ask what happened

She told me Alma had gone to retrieve a toy stuck on the roof and then was afraid to come back down So she told ej to get her I don't know why Joan didn't do it ej was apparently also very afraid of heights and could not climb the ladder past the second Rung so Joni had gotten violently upset and started beating him EJ was apparently also very afraid of heights and could not climb the ladder past the second rung So Joni had gotten violently upset and started beating him He says I mentioned this only as a statement of fact not to counter my allegations Oh, no, no, just just like to give all the information. Yeah, just the facts now now. Here's the problem with Joan It comes out when they file for divorce and everything she is not she's already married. What? She never divorced her husband Carlos she's still

married to him. She's a polygamist. Yes well a bigamist anyway yeah a polygamist would be if she was living with both of them but she's a bigamist anyway so she's a bigamist here so So she's a bigamist here, so there's gonna be bigamy charges against her for that. She's going to plead guilty to charge of bigamy and granted a pre-drial diversion. They're not gonna put her in fucking prison for that. But yeah, now the military is gonna charge Kit

with various offenses relating to the mishandling of classified information from the laptop and the disks and physical abuse of the boy as well. Now there is a court martial scheduled. December 2015, there's a court martial hearing scheduled here and Cal is supposed to testify at that court-martial hearing about finding everything here because that that's part of it is where they got the shit from. He's a rat so yeah. Absolutely Cal and Pam made several

statements to individuals indicating that their fear that Kit would come and kill them or if anything happened to them tell the cops to look at Kit because we're gonna testify against him and at best he's gonna lose his pension, which he's not gonna be fucking happy about. He's gonna be very upset, yeah. Very upset. So after a bunch of continuances,

court martial proceedings scheduled for December 2015. Now, November the 18th, 2015, less than a month away from these court-martial proceedings Pam Cal's wife Pam Left for work around 7 a.m Now around noon. She was informed that a washing machine she had ordered could not be delivered to her home because no one was there which is a Nightmare you order appliances you have no idea when they're coming

And then we'll get a fucking window eight to ten eight to yeah, whatever the fuck But you have no idea when they're coming and then when they do come you not only have to be there you have to be Like ready with the door open in the place open for them to put it and it's all prepared and hope you bought the the hoses And the hose is a plug. Oh My god, so a fucking refrigerator. There's no plug. Are you bought the plug. Oh my god, so. I bought a fucking refrigerator, there's no plug, are you shitting me? Are you fucking, Jesus Christ, how is that possible?

Yeah, remember that. Old plug doesn't fit the new fridge, what the fuck is going on? Every washing machine. Yeah. They sell you a plug. Everything, yeah, they sell you a plug. What?

Charge me $50 more and give me the motherfucking plug. How the hell am I supposed to...is there a choice here? Run it with no plug? What are we talking about? Did you not do that in case I buy it in Germany and you can put the right plug? Fuck, you know where you're sending it. Send the plug! Is this a solar washer?

Do I put it out in the yard for a few hours and then it's got enough juice to do a load? What do I do? How does this work? Who the fuck is so cheap that they're like take $50 off and I'll buy it. Well, then you don't get the plug deal. What does that? What? It's insane. Give me the plug, please. So she was informed the washing machine was there. She was concerned. So she left work earlier than usual around 5 p.m. because she usually leaves at 6 but she's leaving at 5 even though it was at

noon when the you know when the call came. Now Cal's usually home so that's why she's like what are you talking about there's nobody home Cal's home so she left at 5 to go check on Cal because she hasn't heard from him and this is 2015 so people are always incessantly texting each other and hasn't heard from him and no one could deliver the washing machine

She arrived at her residence and called her friend Francis Marlene Laroque here. She said hey Francis Have you seen Cal? So Francis said she had called Cal earlier in the day to check on his sick dog, but nobody answered What a nice person she called to check on the sick dog. A text would have been sufficient, I think, there. Don't call me for that. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Both are thoughtful, I suppose.

It's not thoughtful to call someone out of the blue for no reason. That's not thoughtful. That's like giving someone a bill for something. That's not thoughtful. Text, if they wanna call, I'll tell you all about it, I'll call you or something, but don't just assume they wanna get on the phone and talk to you.

I think older people might be different, though. Good afternoon, let's talk about depressing shit. Yeah. I think older people are different. They're okay with getting phone calls. I think it's like 55 and over are okay with getting phone calls. 55 and under is like, you called me for what?

How could this this could have been accomplished way easier in a text? Why are you doing this? Yeah, text me and see if I'm busy first No, okay, there you go just save us both an awkward conversation Can't imagine what you wouldn't wanna talk about your dog with cancer. Weird, right? So Marlene also said she had gone to the Phillips residence around 2 p.m. and found the front door open,

which was unusual, but she assumed Cal was working out in the back field and just left the door open. So Pam told Marlene to hold the line because she saw something. Now she's at home, Pam, she's looking around. Now Marlene heard a scream as if someone had been startled and then silence. Okay, a scream and then silence, and that was it.

Never heard from her again. Okay. So Marlene returned, she gets in the car to go drive over and check on Pam and she found the front door open But no one there no one has no one answering that yelling. Hello. No one's answering shit So Pam's car I guess at that time Pam's car was parked in the driveway Normally like it normally is about an hour later So Marlene let didn't call the cops or anything like that. She normally is. About an hour later, so Marlene didn't call the cops

or anything like that, she left and came back an hour later. Okay, so she returned to check on them at this car. At this time, Pam's car had been moved to face the other direction, and the front door of the house was closed. So you go, okay, well, they're around. And that's what she figured. She figured, well, they must have come home or whatever the fuck, I don're around and that's what she figured she figured well

They must be they must have come home and or whatever the fuck. I don't know there. That's what they do So she just lands back and everything's fine. She just left it alone at that point. She figured everything's fine So whatever so that morning at 2 15 a.m Okay, so middle of the night a nearby neighbor named John Hommack or John Homick was awakened by the sound of two explosions or gunshots coming from somewhere on his farm, he said. He thought the sounds were possibly caused by trespassing hunters, so he didn't investigate any. He's like, I'm not going to go out there and get shot by idiots at three in the morning.

That's stupid. So later that morning, he went outside and saw a car smoldering in his field oh my god yeah a car burned to shit in his field hunters killed the car fucking they got themselves a Pontiac grand damn it looks like that's a it ain't even in season let's go it ain't Pontiac season we got's get out of here. It ain't even in season, let's go. It ain't Pontiac season, we gotta get out of here. That game warden's gonna arrest us, we gotta run. God damn it, I said I was after Mustangs, but damn it, this is ridiculous.

High knees, T-Roy, let's go. Let's go, move it. So the police look inside the vehicle when they get there and discover that there are two sets of human remains inside the burnt vehicle as well. Two burnt up bodies inside this vehicle. So the vehicle is registered to Cal and Pam Phillips. Okay, now here we go.

All right. There's more to this as well, by the way, here, as we'll talk about quite a lot more. So the cops head over to Cal's here. They head over to Cal's residence where they discover they because they get that call and they have the resident the registration. So they go to the house. When they get to the house. They find that Cal is at home

but he's dead oh shit his remains are in the cellar among more signs of a fire being set and around him so someone tried to burn the house down someone tried yeah either that or Cal killed whoever that was and then went home and tried to off himself and burn the house down one Fuck so police continued to search the property and they located they discovered blood in the backyard Next to a distinctive World War two era pistol Which was known to belong to the Phillips neighbor Ed Danzaro who's 63 years old. Ed Danzaro's got a pistol in their yard. In their yard.

Subsequent testing indicates the blood in the yard belongs to Ed Danzaro not to Cal. This is crazy right? Pam's blood was also discovered on the back door and in the yard They discover that the what they takes of the remains are super burnt in the car they get them in they finally process and figure out that the Fucking bodies are Pam and Ed Denzer Oh in the car and then Cal is dead in the basement Fucking crazy So their injuries by the way, you'll probably want to know about here. Because it's a lot.

Cal suffered five gunshot wounds. Wow. And blunt force trauma to different locations of his body. Ew. Tortured and shot a lot. This is fucking wild. They said there are two kinds of gunshot wounds, penetrating and perforated.

A penetrating wound means that the bullet remained in the body, a perforated wound means that it got through and through. So Calvin had both types of those. They said as for the blunt force trauma injuries, they said that the injuries were to the face and upper and lower extremities, so that's the whole body as far as I'm concerned

Or at least legs and arms and face in response here They are they also say the trauma the trauma injuries occurred Antimortem or before death it's important because it indicated that he was beaten before he was shot They said they asked if the injuries could have been caused by a butt of a gun and they said they could have. That's what the doctor says. The facial injuries though were near occurred near the time of death. They were paramortem and they said this lends credence to the possibility that all the blunt force injuries may have occurred due to the victim being tossed down the stellar the stellar stairs while still alive. Okay, blood on the stairs and a tooth discovered under his body also suggest that he may have been

dumped down the stairs face first, possibly by, you know, anybody throwing him down there, who knows. So, one finding that wasn't fully explained related to the, I guess, the bullets here, there's different types, I guess, different bullets, trocars. Is that how you say it? They're designed to separate after the bullet hit the target, such as skin. Come apart in you right away. Huh? Yeah. Uh, they,

I guess they said Calvin had three entrance injuries like that to the left side of his chest Indicating that they that the bullets had separated before entering the body One god one possible scenario is that at least one shot fired at him hit something else first causing the Separate he sustained three penetrating gunshot wounds to his chest They were still in the body other ones were in the neck and the right clavicle They were perforated meaning they exited the bullet bases from the two perforated gunshots were never recovered and They don't know so they don't know if the shots were fired outside inside. They don't know what they said the trocar I guess that's how you say it entry wounds also support the possibility of one bullet striking something like anything, a window or mirror or anything like that breaking off from the main bullet.

The gunshot wound to the neck entered Calvin's left ear, but exited the right side lower on the neck. There's also a smaller exit wound wound where the trocars exited. All exit wounds were lower on the neck than the entrance wounds. The same is true for the perforated wounds on the right clavicle. The exit wounds were lower than the entrance wounds. So we're talking from above. The trajectory of the bullet suggests that they were fired from above. This could also indicate someone standing over Calvin as he shot any of that shit is possible. So, Pam Phillips and Ed here, and Ed Denzerow. Here we go, almost Jerry Springer, Dr. Jeffrey Springer

enters the equation here. Medical examiner for Kentucky here, he has his brother. He examined Pam and Ed, they said both bodies had been consumed in the automobile fire. The doctor was able to examine the remains that were recovered from the front passenger seat and the rear passenger seat of the car Front-and-back so they were driven there and no one was put in the driver's seat Yeah, that's not even trying to act like they did this themselves, right? That's just putting two passengers and then getting out getting the fuck out

X-rays of both victims revealed bullet fragments in their brains in Pam's case the x-ray also showed the presence of a mostly intact 22 caliber bullet in the charred remains of her heart So yeah, um interesting So this is a fucking mess obviously an absolute So, this is a fucking mess, obviously. An absolute mess. How did Ed die? Gunshots as well, same thing.

Yeah, gunshots. Gunshots and burning, yeah. Multiple gunshot wounds. So, okay, there was a 22. They recovered fragments from the bodies of Ed and Pam and confirmed they'd both been shot multiple times with a 22 caliber firearm Okay now several hairs were recovered from the vehicle from Danza Rose vehicle Okay, not the one they were burning in

This has been low. This had been located between his residence and Pam's Burton vehicle his car somewhere in the middle Yeah, while certain hairs were consistent With a sample taken from kit Only one hair was suitable for definitive DNA testing and it I guess apparently didn't match kit. All right now Projectile fragments recovered from the bodies of Pam and Ed confirmed. They've been shot multiple times. Like we said Kit owns several 22 caliber firearms as well. Forensic testing was inconclusive meaning that the examiner could neither confirm nor exclude the possibility that the recovered fragments were linked to his 22 caliber firearms.

There's a lot of damage to the bullets so that's hard. cow was killed by a unique G2 rip 45 caliber bullets that's what he was killed with unique bullets fired from a Glock He suffered several gunshot wounds of blunt force trauma like we said the police found a 45 caliber Glock pistol when they searched kits home, so when they search is safe at home and Forensic testing of the fragments was inconclusive again. No ballistics on this So nothing happens. No arrests are made. Yeah, cuz this gun doesn't match it. Yeah, nothing matches it Well, if they don't know if it meds it's just not they can't tell if it matches it. Oh, okay

If it met it's just not they can't tell if it matches it. So, okay It's just yeah, if the fragments are too fucked up They don't know if they say it could have been yeah, they can tell you whether it could have been or couldn't have been But it can't do it can't they can't yeah Deny Exclude so the Phillips property was processed for evidence on three separate occasions November 19th November 30th and December 4th 2015 they keep coming back to process to look for more shit now a neighbor named Mark Harris lived next door to Danzer Oh and across the street from Kit and Pam and He said in 2015 he could sense something was wrong on the street caught a weird vibe on the street

Yeah, this is what mark said mark said that He went and talked to Or he was talking to to Cal and said he told me about a week before this happened I need to stay away from here. There's something going on bad Cal told him that yeah, so Now the neighbor his theory theory is that kit went to Cal Phillips home killed him in the basement and then and Pam or collateral damage Yeah, it seems like he waited for fucking Pam to get there Right and then nailed her it seemed he probably hid like you know

And then fucking popped out because that's where a scream would come from then silence get there and then nailed her. He probably hid like you know and then fucking popped out because that's where a scream would come from then silenced. She probably saw Cal screamed holy shit and then that was that. He went out and got her at that point. And then maybe Ed heard the scream? I don't know. That's that's possible yeah Ed might have come over. Who the hell knows? Ed might have seen. Seems like they all just involved themselves with each other so they're gonna be a little much yeah totally this guy said I don't know what was said took him to the basement of the house maybe found him in there and he walked in and shot him so who knows now they talked to Elijah the son here Joan's

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Because the person will because of the person he was being behind closed doors So a private investigator working for the defense team in the court martial case now Okay, yeah, and that this private investigator had interviewed Cal Phillips two weeks before the murder in that this private investigator had interviewed Cal Phillips two weeks before the murder in the interview the detective was convinced that something would turn the entire case on his head. He said something that nobody else knew that Cal Phillips would have flipped on Joan and testified for Kit. That's what he says but there's no proof of that.

The private investigator wrote in an email to police, it's the professional opinion of Mary Martins and I that Calvin Phillips was murdered in order to prevent his testimony on behalf of the defense. Think about that. Witness statements strongly point to Joan Harmon as the person most likely to benefit from his silence. So here's what their theory is. Joan is fucking badass.

Joan did this because if, apparently, if she was alive and he, basically she could have gotten a really good settlement from the military about the abuse shit. She could have gotten a settlement from the military. That's what that's what his defense attorney saying rather than it's kit who did it because he doesn't want them testifying against him. They're saying Cal was going to testify actually for kit and Joan found out and killed three people over it. So both of these sides are going to say that the other person did it because his testimony

would benefit them. Yes. That's exactly what it is. So Kit said that she knew she was on, she knew she was, she knew that was her last chance to ruin my career and She couldn't do it. Now, by the way, the evidence against him is there's all sorts of physical evidence about the laptop shit. The military is still looking into that. The CDs labeled secret in the laptop computer, also a thumb drive and an HP personal computer that Kit had given to Joan also turned in for analysis.

And also Kit said, this is when he was brought in and questioned about the laptop. He said, I do not know how the FBI gained sensitive information that has my name associated with it. I may have been hacked in the past. Oh no. There we go. He literally went to hacked. That's the last bastion of a truly desperate jerk off

that's been caught doing something bad. I got hacked. The admission of guilt without saying I didn't. Yes, exactly. Ever present, anytime anybody says I was hacked. Okay, you did it. I was hacked, man. If that is not the case, I believe that my ex-wife, and he put wife in quotes, by the way,

not ex part, wife, like she was never his wife, may have found sensitive items on some damaged disks she stole along with most of the items from my house and then turn them into the police as a part of her ongoing plan to ruin me out of spite. She did this even though I provided sole support to her and her children for nine years and she was the one that had an affair. I have consistently had to defend myself against accusations made by my ex-quote-wife and then in parentheses that I later learned was a bigamist and that I was not even legally married to

since I asked for a divorce in September of 2012. I was forced to call the police when she became violent, she vowed to ruin my career and has utilized every venue to do so. She's continued to harass me and has even recently vandalized my vehicles. She has accused me of abuse and then later abuse toward her children, charges which I have been cleared. Despite her documented perjury, I have continually had to defend myself in a guilty until proven innocent system for the last 10 months as

well as attend family advocacy training and have my name listed on a fat blacklist that is used to check soldiers' prior to come to promotion or command assignment. Oh my God. He said when Kit learned about the charges against him, he still held out hope he could prevail in a court martial trial. Kits attorneys though. They informed him that he was facing serious charges that could end his career and put

him behind bars for a very long time. So the court-martial hearing here, he is convicted of charges here. We'll talk about this here. One of the guys involved in the trial, one of the lawyers said it was one of the most heated trials I've ever been in in the military. It's his charges that he has classified information and sexually assaulted a child. They got him on that too? Yeah, they're charging him with it. They have little girls who said he touched them.

So I mean, gotta do it. He was basically found not guilty of some charges and then he was convicted of mishandling classified information and simple assault so he gets cleared of the major charges and they give him like lesser lesser shit for this and He was sentenced to 90 days in prison Okay, that's what he got. He was also dismissed from the army as well and also forfeiture of all paying allowances and a reprimand Shit out of luck. So

now he became a huge fucking case for Certain groups out there Big time. I mean lots of these groups basically these quote men's rights groups we're getting involved to try to help him out that was a big deal he's a giant cause for these people to this day it's a huge cause so now Carlos and Joan were finally actually divorced on April 20th 2016. Oh they figured it out. They figured it out. Yeah Very nice. Let's sign this whoops So kit here after his 90 days. He heads to North Carolina. Yeah

Where he is gonna get a job as a commercial airline pilot American fucking airlines hired this man American American Airlines just everybody out there, so you know salt American Airlines we hire anybody yeah It's actually we got some things the one of their subsidiaries PSA Airlines. Oh, it's the little Yeah, it's a little ones. I got a PSA for you. Don't fly that airline I don't know where the fuck it is, but did you say moved you said he moved is in North Carolina. Yeah, he's flying out of Charlotte Yeah, well now because I think he's gonna end up in Norfolk is gonna be his home Face weird thing

So yeah, the PSA is wholly owned subsidiary of American Airlines and operates an all-jet American Eagle fleet so He began working there. He wasn't the oldest pilot in his new higher class. They said there was guys older than him and he was almost 50. So yeah, he liked that. Basically, he said he didn't like the small jet

was less responsive and nimble than an Apache attack helicopter. Is that right? No shit. Surprise, surprise. It's not delivering payload of fucking weaponry sir the American Eagle Fucking nine thirty to Palm Springs isn't fucking as nimble as an attack helicopter missiles on it

Play that was built 87 1987 that have a fucking welded shut ashtray on the fucking thing You think those aren't as nimble as an Apache attack helicopter, huh? Weird he said yeah, the Apache had full color screens with 3d map presentations People were shooting at you They assume Apple green screen. Yeah They fucking assume that the the PSA flight to st. Louis isn't gonna be under attack probably so flying through enemy territory

they assume it's just gonna be a you know Is it could I just wear night vision so I feel cool? Let me just put the goggles on while I fly. It's 10 PM, man. It's dark. So he had a choice of pilot bases and he chose Norfolk, Virginia, which is a two hour drive from Roanoke. He said he liked the small town feel and he found a hotel near the water and all that

kind of shit. So he was a reserve pilot. Then he could bid on four day trips, which would limit the amount of time of commuting. So he could only commute once and then go back. Now during this, a couple years have gone by since the Phillipses and Ed Denzerow have been murdered. And the families are getting pissed off here.

Fuck yeah. Like what happened? And as we found out in other cases on this show where? The worst was the Brighton New York one where the cops were like I don't know we didn't have the family in here banging on Our desk saying please solve the crime so it just goes to the back burner. Yeah, we need motivation guys Come on come in and motivate us. Fuck you fucking Goddamn solve this shit do this job with no credit. Yeah If your family members murdered and they don't arrest somebody immediately you got to bother them or they will just give up

That's how it works So the Kentucky Attorney General said in a video statement that his office has now picked up the case after us After the Phillips's son came into the office He said about two years ago Matt Phillips came into my office He talked about losing both of his parents in a brutal murder that also took took the life of a third individual He was worried that the case was stalled and was worried that justice would not come So yeah, he said that of the whole thing Phillips had he told CNN by the way that his father had evidence that was harmful to Kitt's military case and he also said that Kitt was shamefully kicked out of

the military. He said my father had a lot to do with that and I think we should all be frank thankful for that frankly that this guy isn't fucking flying attack helicopters. Wow. So he said he meaning his dad handed over pictures of a sub-16 year old boy that had been bitten, choked violently multiple times. He also told CNN. He said that his dad also handed over disks that had classified information and should have never left an army post. Now Kit's lawyer, he said that, no, no, no.

They got it totally backwards. Cal was gonna defend, he was gonna defend us, actually. So no motivation. He said that, yeah, he said if their motive is that he killed Calvin Phillips because he was gonna testify in his upcoming court martial, well, that was nothing further from the truth. Now, there's cameras everywhere, by the way, now.

2016, cameras are everywhere. We should have some footage of something. Well, following this, I guess, Phillips' son, this is Cal and Pam's son, Matt, and his aunt Diana installed cameras at the Phillips residence. Just to make sure, because it was secured, and they wanted to make sure that nobody was breaking into it or anything, so they secured cameras.

And it's a little late, but we should have had these in the first place. We should have had them in the first place. So several months later, Diana notices in a metallic object under some wood on the breezeway to the back porch. There, this was on the camera, so they went out and looked. She showed the object to Matt, who recognized it and realized it was a shell casing.

Oh! So he called the cops, and yeah, police had concerns regarding the circumstances surrounding the discovery of the evidence, how you found it, whatever, but they did it and in 2018 testing reveals the casing was fired from Kit Martin's glock 45 hey His gun to they finally had some shit. Yep. They got the casing and it worked out very well

Do we got a fingerprint from his thumb putting it in the fucking bag that we don't have that but we have his gun his from his thumb putting it in the fucking bag? We don't have that, but we have his gun, his casing. That's not good. A lot of his motive. Also, this is fucking great. There's some issues here. They have phone data records that show on November 18, 2015, which was the early morning, late night time that this murder happened.

Kit set his alarm on his phone to wake him up at 1 10 a.m. Whoa. Remember the murders happened at 2 something in the morning. That's when the explosion was heard and gunshots heard and the farm property. Why are you trying to wake up so early Kit? So okay obviously that the state is saying that he used that time to sneak out of the front door of his home, move the bodies and burn the vehicle that they were found in, do all that shit. That's what they say. Now his explanation is gold when he testifies.

We'll get to that. Okay. May 11th, 2019 here, they talk about, because he hasn't been arrested or anything, this is just evidence they have So May 11 2019 now can't hear you know, he doesn't like some of the younger pilots now that he works with Yeah, just doesn't like they just don't get it. They're not they're not military guys. They're not like him

He likes the older guys. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they're doing this for pussy So he almost backed out of the trip when he saw who he was paired with But you know he said he could have called in sick because he was off probation and with the company and everything But he said he didn't want to fuck anything up so he figured he'd you know just just do the trip and be done with it so He treated the two flight attendants to dinner at Panera Bread on their first layover The captain whom Kit didn't like was in good spirits so that was good. The second day of the four day trip had a layover in Louisville and the captain was planning on meeting up with a girl he knew

in the area and everything was going to be all fun here. So they get back on the flight to fly out of Louisville here and I'll let a passenger take over from here. This is Ashley Martin of Elizabethtown who has no relation to Kit by the way just Martin's a common last name. She says it was something like it was like something you would totally see in a movie. Her and her mother Frances were at the airport boarding American Airlines flight 5523 from Louisville to Charlotte and the mother said it was very tense. I think it was very tense. You could tell the employees knew something was going on.

They said when they first heard their pilot had been arrested, they took him off the fucking plane bro. It's hilarious. They both assumed he must have been shit faced probably. I showed up drunk. That's a very common thing. Later in the day though, they learned different and the mother said, Oh my gosh, when they learned he was, you know, in for murder, uh, Ashley Martin said, it's startling. It's scary. You think that this happened so long ago and they're just now getting around to catching the guy. Right. Then the mother said we were inconvenienced a lot.

She's still looking for fucking free fucking miles here or something. This is crazy. We need a room. We need a dinner. We need a couple upgrades here. What are we doing? Also, what if that guy found out mid-flight? You know, I mean somehow found out mid-flight? You know what I mean? Somehow found out mid-flight that he was going to be arrested when he landed and just drove this motherfucker into the mountain. Fucker right in the ground.

Oh my God. We're going to Bolivia everybody. That's where we're going. Re-routing this flight. We're going to Cuba. Oh, this is your captain speaking. It's going to be hard where we're going because we are destined for hell. We're going to be headed for for hell. We're gonna be headed for Cuba change of plans everybody

Might want to contact your loved ones in the destination city. Let them know you've been rerouted to Cuba Perhaps Google the nearest consulate. We're gonna be Not sure the lead of the legalities of our attempted immigration Hope you brought your passport. Enjoy the flight. Mother, we're inconvenienced a lot. Like, missed an entire day of a vacation that's been planned and saved for for an entire year. I can't imagine how hard that is.

Better than being flown into a mountain, probably. So they're going to St. Lucia. Going to an island. Oh, yeah, we're going down to the fucking Bahamas. Yeah. If you were in Kentucky and you thought you'd be in an island in three hours, I guess that would piss you off. That's way different.

Where are the fucking bananas and coconuts? This is bullshit. Someone get me a pina colada or I'm going to stab somebody. It was a very hot, bare-chested man. She said, the daughter said, I was definitely stressed. It felt like it was a little chaotic and unorganized. The workers, you could tell they were stressed. You could feel the energy. You could feel the tension from the flight attendants. And then there's an American Airlines statement they give out here. What do they say? That's

what you get for flying American. Go fuck your mothers. Oh no, that's... What do you expect? What do you expect? It's American. Fuck you. We're the largest carrier in the country. We hire anybody. We don't hire anybody. By the way, if we lose your bag, we're keeping it.

Fuck off. All of us at American Airlines and PSA Airlines... You'll fly with us again. It's cheap. It's cheap. We might be going where you're going when no one else goes there. Nobody else is going there, you'll fly with us. See you on the next flight. That would be me in an American Airlines seat in a commercial. I'd be going, they were the only ones flying to where I needed to go.

I thought about taking a layover to fly a better airline here, but I just said fuck it. Non-stop to Norfolk doesn't exist. I just said fuck it and then they come on, American Airlines, fuck it. There's their new slogan and that's it. I just said fuck it. I'll take a chance. One of us, me or my bag, will get there. Oh my god. All of us at American Airlines and PSA Airlines are deeply saddened to have learned about

these allegations from 2015. Our team was made aware of the indictment this morning after his arrest at Louisville International Airport. We have an unwavering ba ba ba ba ba ba ba. Who cares? Okay. He was placed on administrative suspension pending the outcome. Wow!

They must really need pilots. They're like, he might get off. Hey, remember that one guy we hired? Look, he's on trial for triple murder right now, but he could get off. If he gets off, we could put him right in the schedule, go in and do the Norfolk round again. Administrative suspension is with pay. That's crazy. I think it is. That's awesome. Wow. So he is now indicted on three counts of murder, two counts of burglary, one count of arson, one count of attempted arson, and three counts of tampering with physical evidence. Yeah, it's not good. Wow. Okay. Now it gets fun. Yeah. Oh, well, a little bit after this, but he calls his mom from jail when he gets arrested. She picked up the phone and heard about accepting a call

from an inmate and was like, what? And just hung up. She didn't have any idea. She's just like, that's crazy, click, wrong number. Frank caller, obviously. Oh my God, that's amazing. When his mom did find out she had to be taken to the hospital for, she thought she was having

a heart attack. Really? She was having a heart attack. Really? She's having an anxiety attack. She's got to be 70 something years old. Yeah, he's in his 50s. So I mean, Christ, he's like 50, 49 or some shit. So he pleads not guilty. As you do.

His lawyer said his client would plead not guilty and said that's what we're, they said basically like why, he said why did they wait so long to indict him he said that's what we're all curious about what evidence do they have that they didn't have almost four years ago well a bullet a bullet that matches your gun is one that's a big one you'll know that's a big one yeah so he's arraigned Elijah was there during the arraignment as they were asking him questions and Elijah said this to a reporter, he gave an on-camera interview to a Nashville station.

He said, he would hide behind a mask out in public in front of everybody and act like he was this great major in the military. Behind closed doors, he was very evil. He was a tyrant, he was a monster, all of the above. I was the one he targeted most most beat me all the time Smack me around punch me whatever He then gave another example of maltreatment

He said I was out mowing the lawn one day and I made a line the line a little too crooked And he started smacking me around for it and told me I was doing it wrong and then Cal came over and took me out of there That's part of and then Cal came over and took me out of there That's part of it Cal apparently came over and helped is a little hero. Yeah, so that I think baby It's not just the military stuff. Yeah, how knows about he's well aware of what goes on over there Yes, that's what I mean these people seem very in meshed and he did their neighbors lives and very fucking nosy all of them So everyone in this neighborhood knows exactly what's going on with everybody it feels like. The kid's beating the kid again. I'm going to go get him.

I'm going to go get him. So the news reporter stated that Elijah told him that he and his mother and sisters left immediately after the murders and they never doubted who was behind them. Elijah said, I believe that he took out the witnesses. I hope he gets the worst punishment that's available to him Now the venue is going to be transferred from Christian County to Hardin County Little tiny venue you got to move that shit because everybody heard about it during an evidence suppression hearing it was revealed that police requested Diana the

Phillips the aunt of the kid of the Phillips son there, to submit to a polygraph examination, which she apparently failed. However, the trial court excluded the evidence at trial anyway. So they just, they've questions. Basically the question, I don't know if they're trying to say that the only thing I think of the the defense is saying that they basically the Phillips is went and got a shell casing from somewhere else oh and said they found it yeah where the near where the murder happened so that's what they said but the the bullet case the casing was still allowed into the trial other pre-trial shit here

They said that the the Commonwealth filed a notice of its intent to admit hearsay Statements under the forfeiture by wrongdoing exception, which is in the law here That is about two weeks before he died Cal told Stephen Durham that he feared Kit would kill him before the court martial trial. Cal told a guy named Stephen Bollinger that if he ever ended up missing or dead, to point the authorities old Kit Martens way, Cal told Major James Garrett, one of the prosecutors from the court martial, that he was afraid of Martin because Martin knew he had provided the information that led to the court martial. Pam told Penny Case that she and Cal were afraid to leave the house unoccupied because

they were afraid Martin would be in the house when they got back. Pam told Case she was worried Martin would hurt her and the authorities should look at Martin if anything happened to her. So okay, the court determined these statements were admissible under the forfeiture by wrongdoing exception. Okay, now he brings up in their defense are like, what about all these other deaths around Joan? Okay, listen to this.

On early on June 28, 2015, an elderly couple was brutally attacked at their residence on Old Trenton Road in Guthrie, Kentucky. Both had been bound and beaten. Joan had been renting a house from the couple, not that house, not near there. That was just her landlord's. Okay. Her landlords were beaten to death.

Yes, but they said it was unclear if they were her landlord at the time of the attack or not. They operated a large farm. Amos Yoder, who was 79 and his wife Marjorie Yoder, died from severe head trauma there. Joan talked about the Yoder murders to her coworkers at the soda shop. She described the Yoders as being like grandparents to her kids. Over the following weeks though, they said Joan seemed to come into a windfall. She bragged about new furniture and a car she had purchased. She showed up to work in new outfits. When asked where the money had come from for all these purchases, Joan said her mom had sent her money. He said the yoder beatings are still unsolved and

robberies believed to be the motive. Okay, so she stole stolen enough money to get so Cal Cal's defense team wants to put in that even though there is zero evidence She had anything to do with these people's murder and anything like that he wants to put into evidence the fact that they were murdered and that she knew them and That she bought a new dress in the next couple months. She got a new couch So you know what I'm saying? So that means I'm innocent Okay, so that means because I didn't do this sure

the victims family statement here Here they said that this is from all the families together Cal Phillips Pam Phillips and Ed Danzer Oh were brutally extinguished beyond Beyond recognition from family did they say extinguished when two of them were burned to death what what is what the fuck is? Why do they do it? Why do they do it your brain must do that it must because all these statements where you're like, what's the last thing you want to say? Well that yeah every fuck. I make a pun about fire. Don't do it. Just believe it out anything You're on recognition out of them. It's totally unintentional obviously

Crazy for jokes. No, I don't think they're trying to help us out But thank you anyway Beyond recognition from the family every day We're haunted by what was done to them and haunted further that someone was still free to do as they wish beyond The civility of mankind or laws of our nation We are overwhelmed with this positive step toward resolution for the people we love dearly Cal Pam and Ed and the hundreds of friends family neighbors co-workers and others deeply affected by their brutal end We look forward to justice in court and we look forward to a verdict

to bring an end to this terror and start fresh, started healing. So 2021 here, Joan completed her pre-trial diversion for her bigamy shit two days prior to this trial. So because of that, I am pretty sure they did this on purpose when they did the trial, the date for it. The state then filed a motion to exclude any reference to the bigamy charges since she wasn't under anything anymore.

Oh. So they said, you can't talk about that. You can't talk about that because she's not a bigamist anymore. The trial court ruled that she could not be impeached with the bigamy conviction because it was dismissed and it was dismissed as diverted because she was in a diverted thing which means it got dismissed.

So as soon as it's got dismissed, technically she no longer did it. So you can't bring that up anymore. So that's what the court decided. So that won't come up in court that she was a bigamist. Which is way different than a triple murder, by the way, so it doesn't matter really. Yeah, I mean, and who's to say that it was not

just an accident, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Perhaps she signed all the, he signed all, one of them just didn't file it, you know what I mean? Might just be lazy. It's possible, man. Pure lazy, bad at paperwork. Yeah.

So the defense, as the defense, basically, Kit's defense is the alt perp defense What me? Yeah, somebody else and they know not just somebody else her Okay, fucking Joan. Yeah. Yep. She said Joan wanted to ruin him So she had her boyfriend commit the murders and plant the shell on the Phillips porch to frame him. Not only did I not do it I've been framed. I know I've been framed. Yes, my wife didn't do it She manipulated another guy to do it. Then they framed me together framed framed Framed yeah, okay

so at that point, because of the theory of the case, both Joan and Elijah both invoke their Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination on this because they can, I guess, their lawyers advise them to. If they're going to accuse them of crimes, don't let them accuse you of crimes and actually answer their questions in court. That's stupid. And at a following hearing,

the circuit court ordered that neither Joan nor the son could be called as a witness at trial. So they're both out. Which I mean, it's pretty irrelevant honestly at this point because it's a murder trial, it's not anything else. Pleading the fifth has now become such a, it means that you're guilty thing, that like that could have been, if they called them,

that could be, you know what I mean, helpful. Because it could sway the jury. Any jury would just be like, I don't know, they won't even talk, so what are we talking about? Exactly, you're absolutely right. You're not, now, anybody taking the fifth, the judges instruct the jurors that that is not allowed to be taken as anything, but they're your human beings. beings right you send 12 humans back in a room they're not law

books they're humans and they're gonna think dumb shit because they're humans that's what we do so in the openings here the defense opening they basically say that the whole opening is it was Joan Harmon that did these murders not my client also presented testimony. This is, they're going to present testimony from Kit's daughter saying that Joan threatened to ruin him and his military career. Remember that? If he left her.

Other people testifying here, Pam's coworker, this woman here said that she testified regarding statements that Pam made that she was afraid to leave her house for the holidays Because if she did Martin would be in her house waiting for her when she got back She told everybody this shit She further testified that Pam also said she believed Martin would hurt her and if anything happened at your guy right there clearly. Yeah so the defense team is their big thing is they try to get the the images of Elijah

Forensically analyzed to see if because they have those pictures. Yeah, and they look bad So if you do if you can say that Joan fabricated that then she's capable of anything is basically what they're trying to do There she she likes to frame this guy and we're saying he's framed so 1 plus 1 equals 2. So yeah, 1 times 1 equals 1. Sorry Terrence Howard, but that's how it works. The resulting analysis was unable to determine definitively when or where the photos were taken. Big deal, it doesn't matter.

There was also questions about the reliability of timestamp data related to emails Jones sent that contained the images. They said while the pictures, while the content may show injuries, there's nothing visual in the pictures validating date and time without the camera being submitted and the time verified as accurate. These pictures should not be used and should not have been used as evidence. So basically they said the time on a camera can be easily skewed or changed. That's his defense team saying that. Here's his ex wife's work boss here. So Kit presented testimony from Jones work supervisor Lisa who said that Joan was strangely excited and almost happy in the immediate aftermath of the murders This state Jones statement about the murders and other behavior

Disturbed this Lisa Petrie to the point where she reported Joan to the police. Oh Makes she was happy her husband was gonna go to prison because he thought he was a dick. Another thing here, Kit presents evidence about a month after the murders that Joan brought Pam's cell phone to an AT&T store claiming she found it in the yard of her residence in Elkton, Kentucky, which is 10 miles away.

When Harmon returned the phone to AT&T, it had been reset to factory settings. Oh. So because she tried to get a phone hooked up, that means that she killed her. And it was reset to factory settings, which you do that to get it going, yeah. Yeah, that's, anytime.

She, now he also is trying to say that Joan carries a.45 Glock pistol. Oh really? That's a big gun. Yeah. Most ladies don't carry a 45. That's most petite blonde ladies don't carry a 45 just because of the kick on that thing is less than less than you got a lot of trauma in your past and you don't want that shit happening again. That's a big gun to carry though. Even then you might not be able to control it if you weigh a buck twenty. That's a big gun. And also they say that her boyfriend was quote in the area on the day of the murders of Kentucky.

So you know Kit further attempts to cast doubt on the integrity of the investigation because Joan was romantically involved with William Stokes who was related to Ed Stokes who was a sheriff's deputy. He probably was. Related. Not his brother. So because she fucked a cop's cousin, that means that the whole police force is going to frame a man. They're going to frame a major in the army because she fucked the cop's cousin.

She must have fucked him good. Next time I have any police interaction, I'm just gonna scream that, I've been framed! I'm framed! Framed! Hey, it works for tons of people. At least in the public eye. I've been framed.

Yeah. But you have no idea how much that does in the public eye though. If, if you say you're framed There's so many people that will that just believe that yeah Yeah, that that's because people have been framed, but they think that everybody's framed then so It's crazy and especially if you're in whatever group that they like that's also gonna be part of it Damn it. I've been framed. I! I had the cruise control on 77 I swear. Cadillac framed me. Framed me yes that's fucking funny so now the wounds

the prosecution's theory of they said the wounds on Cal were made with military like precision. Oh and the words are very carefully chosen. In Pam's case, they said a shot to the brain or the heart would have been enough to kill her instantly. The fact that there were multiple shots indicates that it wasn't, the defense is saying, it wasn't quite as precise of a shooting as the prosecution claimed.

In the case of Ed Danzerow, investigators found two different areas outside, separated by some 60 yards that contained his blood. He wasn't killed instantly. Since both Pam and Ed's bodies had been mostly consumed in the fire, there's no way to know how many shots might have been into their bodies. What the prosecution claimed was military-like precision was more likely a chaotic stream

of gunfire. The gunshots to the brain and heart were probably fired after both had become incapacitated by shots elsewhere in their bodies. Ed had multiple bullet fragments in his skull. So they said Pam's official cause of death was multiple shots to the torso and Ed's cause of death was multiple gunshots to the head. They said besides the bullet fragments, an examination of Ed Danzorow's remains revealed the presence of a metal plate attached to a leg bone. His girlfriend Sally Jackson confirmed he had a metal plate in his leg the result of a skiing accident.

Now, Kit testifies. Really? He has to. His whole case is a huge conspiracy against me. I've been framed! Yeah, I've been been framed so if you're gonna say that you got to go up there and be yeah hella believable let's just say that so they said Chris did you murder these three people no sir I did not no contraction but she's also a military guy and they don't like contractions quite as much. It's not official enough for them. They continued questioning. They said, if did you have someone else murder these three people?

He said, no. They said, are you behind this whole thing? And he said, no, I think the evidence and the expert testimony has shown that. He said that the prosecution in the case believes he did it, stating that he's been in jail for, quote, 768 days and five and a half hours. And the hours, yeah. And the hours, just to show how, you know, on top of everything he is. They then asked him about his military dog tags and the dog tag that had been collected as evidence from the Phillips home.

There was one of his dog tags was found in the home over there. That's not great. He denied that the dog tag on a string collected from the Phillips home was his, explaining even though it had all his info, explaining all his dog tags had always been on breakaway chains, came in pairs and had rubber boots meaning the case around a little like the license plate holder which he said were pieces of rubber that covered the edges to prevent them from glaring or making constant fucking jingling noises.

He specifically stated he would never have placed his dog tags on a string and that they'd always been kept on a metal breakaway chain He said no soldier would do that, especially a white string, but they wouldn't put it on a string at all Yeah, but you're not in combat. You're in Pembroke, Kentucky Here I get if you're in the field you wouldn't do that, but for American Airlines Yeah, you're not there's no counterinsurgency here. This is Fuck you talking about he added that also anyone can get a dog tag made anywhere or ordered online.

So I mean, anybody can do that. He said that also, they said, why was your alarm set for 1.15 a.m.? Why? Okay. He said, well, you see what happened was, what happened was. I liked the job.

I, no, no, no, I had a new kerosene heater that I recently bought to warm my house. So the heater was new so he wanted to make sure it was running correctly and safely. So basically he said he didn't know if he had to refuel it in the middle of the night or anything, didn't know about it. So he set his alarm for 115 so he could check on the kerosene heater and then go back to sleep. 115. Quarter after one. Yeah.

He said, I think that was the first night I was running the new heater, so I was a little concerned about it, obviously. So I would usually set my alarm for November through March and during the night to go check on it at least once to refill it and make sure everything was going all right. 115. That's convenient. In the middle of the night. Yep, he said after he checked the new heater that night, he went back to sleep.

He said that also he'd been on the Phillips property several times to target shoot his guns with Cal Phillips, which is true, we know that. He also confirmed during his testimony that his ex-wife, who the defense has suggested, may have committed the murders instead of him, had also fired his guns behind the Phillips home. He recalled Cal Phillips asking him to help run a concealed carry permit class, but that he didn't have the time or money to do it, but he encouraged his wife to take part in it. He said, I encouraged Joan to do it, and I think Joan, Ed, and some other people did

it, and I think they actually did it in his backyard You would know if there was a firing range Going on say like the amount of rounds that these people absorbed How would nobody fucking hear all that you know it seems like a lot yeah He also said the night that he that they separated him and Joan he said the two of them gotten an argument Yeah, and that she had been yelling loud enough for the neighbors to hear He said she started yelling at me some more and finally I got to the point where I was like look I talked to you about this before I'm done. I want a divorce and He said she acted quote she acted violently and told me straight up

The first thing that came out was if you divorce me, I'll ruin your career. I know how to do it. So he continued to testify that that night, deputies were called to the home by both of them, both he and Joan, to intervene in the dispute. Following the dispute, he said that Harmon issued an emergency protective order against him. The judge later ruled in favor of Kitt, he said, after Harmon failed to meet the burden of proof of the threat of domestic violence. During his testimony, Martin also confirmed that during the court martial that Joan and Cal had been, had been, began against him, you know, they're against him basically, but that he and his defense counsel subpoenaed

Cal as he was a key witness and he said he at this point intended to call Cal as a witness for him. Yeah, he said my private investigators had interviewed Calvin and we have his audio that was actually played on Channel 4 Nashville and he denied all that. He was key for me to disprove the lead prosecutor in the court martial There so he said that's why at that point he was for me. He was my most important witness Yeah, nobody's more upset about this than me. Oh, I'm up. I'm so upset Kit also testified he'd never owned the type of ammunition that was found to have killed Calvin the g2 research

RIP45 caliber When they mentioned that the prosecution's firearms expert testified that the 22 caliber bullets could have been fired by any of Kit's weapons, Kit replied that his guns didn't fit them. That's what he said, well my guns don't fit my gun. They asked Kit if he disagreed with the ballistics expert and kit said he remembered hearing the expert say that they didn't match and that the truth was that the conclusions about the bullets were none of that were not that were that they were none of kids guns could be excluded, meaning they could be his guns. They share shared similar rifling characteristics as test bullets fired from his guns, but that the expert could not match the guns. They shared similar rifling characteristics as test bullets fired from his guns, but that the expert could not match the guns.

He continued to testify that on the night of November 19th, after he and his lawyer and private investigator learned of the murders, the two advised him to move the Glock that he usually kept in his truck into his safe out of fear that Joan might do something. He keeps a gun in the truck? Are you out of fear that Joan might do something. He keeps a gun in the truck? Are you out of your fucking mind? Even if he's not in the truck, doesn't even take it in the house.

Finally, he testified that on the night of November 18th, he spent the day after coming home from work at Fort Campbell, celebrating his and Laura Spencer's anniversary by watching TV, eating dinner and spending time together at home. Well, you could have done all that and got up at 115. That's the point. That's the whole fucking point. Now during cross-examination here, this is the bet.

They couldn't wait to get their fucking claws into him. He they asked him when he learned the court martial against him came as a result of what Harmon and Cal Phillips turned into the Laptop he said I didn't find that out until much later. I was just informed that there was a laptop I had background information showing that it actually hadn't been an army laptop since 2007 and belonged to a unit in Maryland, which I've never been to but I tried to provide that They asked him if it didn't if if that didn't stop the court martial. It continued. So he said, yes.

They said, so you knew that Joan Harmon, with the help of Cal Phillips, not only turned over the laptop that was found in belongings that had been in your house, turned it into the FBI, but also the Cal had provided a photograph of Joan Harmon's son showing bruises and so forth. He replied stating he didn't know any of that information for several years, but added that he knew Joan was obviously behind it. Obviously. They said, you at some point said that you hired private investigators who specifically went to interview Cal Phillips.

And he said later on, yeah, they said so, you know, they're asking him to, he was saying that the Cal was going to testify for him again. They said, so it wasn't that you thought he would be favor of your, because they said Martin originally stated he needed Cal to discredit Harmon and Garrett, but later confirmed that discrediting Cal was only a small part of his importance as a witness. So they said, so it wasn't that you thought it would be favorable to you. The effort was to discredit him.

And he said, that's what the attorneys put down there. But we also had the private investigator interview. So now he's saying two different things. They wanted him to testify so they could discredit him to get rid of all the evidence. But he's saying, no, no, he's going to testify for me. Sounds like he takes something that very small and makes it into something that would be helpful for him and that he would like it to be. They said you heard the pathologist testify that both Ed Denzerow and Pam Phillips were

murdered with 22 caliber bullets any of which could have been fired in any one of either of the two 22 caliber pistols you own or the 22 caliber Smith and Wesson rifle. And he said, not my rifles or pistols. And that's what the experts say. And the prosecutor said, actually, the 22 bullets could have been fired from either of those guns. And he said they weren't.

Okay, but you just said he said, I mean, they said it might have been in it you we can't confirm it. So he said that means they wasn't done Like he just extrapolates something that's better for him So in closings his lawyers continue to say Cal was on his side Joan was the one who did this and the prosecutors are like Jesus fucking Christ. How many? How much circumstantial evidence do you need this is a lot man so the verdict comes in he is found guilty of everything yes yes across the board sentencing comes around oh boy you sir may fuck off three life sentences without the possibility of parole.

It's over. A life sentence for arson. Oh. Twenty years for attempted arson. Twenty years for each count of burglary. Five years each for each count of tampering with physical evidence for a total sentence of life without parole. Yeah.

Why don't they give him fucking littering for where he parked that car. That's what I mean. Anything else. Jesus Christ. Yeah. Why don't they give him fucking littering for where he parked that car? That's what I mean. Anything else? Jesus Christ. Yeah. Jeez. I think his emissions tag was out of date, I think, on that. Pretty sure. Yeah.

Pretty sure they had did that. So the reactions are here. The prosecution claims that Ed Danzorow and Pam Phillips were just collateral damage. Yeah. They weren't the that he was there. Now the families in the Pembroke County community have endured a profound loss. While this verdict in no way eases that pain, I hope they in some way find some peace and

comfort today. So there's juror number five, by the way, that this book talks to juror number five is a very similar guy to kit. Career military guy, same thing. They both did helicopter flight training at Fort Rucker, Alabama. But Jura number five was in Nam. That's the only difference. He was in Vietnam. He's an older guy where he flew a Cobra combat helicopter. Oh, oh my God. Yeah. So he was 74 and they talked to him about all this and in the book they're trying to like convince him that he was wrong. They said when confronted with the testimony that there was no evidence that the barrel

had been altered on the gun, meaning he claimed it could have been switched out after the murder something not discussed at trial. He also agreed with the prosecution that the manufacturer of the bullet could have used different shell casing during the assembly process, which the prosecution explained could be why the metals in the shell casing didn't match the metal combination normally used for the RIP rounds. As for the 22 caliber evidence not conclusively matching any of the defendant's weapons, they said that that didn't matter to him because they could have just as easily matched them sure so they said the dog tag evidence was of concern for

him he said he told his fellow jurors how it was routine to separate dog tags with one tag around the neck and one tag placed in the shoe okay yeah he said just as Kit had demonstrated on the witness stand, he followed that up by telling his fellow jurors that he was aware from people serving in Iraq and Afghanistan that soldiers would sometimes wear their dog tags on something other than a chain due to the desert heat.

Okay, yeah. Because it's hot metal. A string is actually, and it's just uncomfortable. He had no explanation of how the dog tag ended up on a bookshelf next to the victim's phone and wallet commentating or commenting that the fact it wasn't found until much later indicated to him it was unlikely to have been planted evidence.

Some of the other evidence they said the DNA testing came back for Ed Danzero blah blah blah. He keeps going he said I'm glad they got it straightened out is what he said. He said the security camera footage didn't cover the front of the house when asked about the front door he agreed with the defense that the front door was unusable but claimed the defendant could have gone out through a window leaving the house by an open window wasn't something that was ever discussed at trial but worth considering. So basically he's just saying they're trying to go over and he goes, no, I thought he was

guilty and blah, blah, blah. Once deliberations began, the first task was to choose a for person. They got some other guy. The next job was to do a poll and they said after the first poll, several people voted guilty, a few were undecided and at least one voted not guilty is what he said he implied that his explanation about why the dog tag made a bit might have been on a string he thinks helped sway a few votes okay they were like he would have never keep it and kept it on a string he's a

military guy so we can believe him so he said he's only had it on a chain and he was like nope you'll separate him and do that. So he said after that process and further discussion, another poll would be taken, the number of jurors willing to vote guilty increased. And he said from there, just a couple more votes and then snowballs from there. Now, once he's in prison, he directs his family,

he calls his family, he calls his family on the phone, and directs them to find a box hidden beneath the stairs of his previous home in North Carolina. Jesus, this is scary. That contained weapons the deputies believed were used to kill the victims. He made phone calls from prison, he asked his sisters to retrieve this box under the stairs of the Raleigh house.

And he, uh, and I guess he and Laura Spencer had broken up and the house was for sale. He was, they said he quote, he was definitely urgent that she find it. They know this because they're recording his phone calls. He's in prison. Yeah. So Smith said, uh, that when he, this is one of the cops when he and a fellow deputy arrived at the house in Raleigh to find out what was in the box they were unable they were able to gain entrance but the box was missing from the hidden location. Already gone.

He called they was already gone. So he said I can't imagine what you felt when this is a question to the interviewer asked him when you opened it up you'd come all this way and it was gone, what did you think? And he said, I thought it was time to get to work. So according to this investigative report, he compiled the following trip, following the trip to Raleigh, he began to try and track down Martin's family, speaking with his sister, Juliette, and her husband, Keith.

At first, they denied having any knowledge of it, but an hour later the investigative report shows that they got back in touch with Smith and told him the truth. Oh, we've been thinking about it. In a recorded call between the Andes and this investigator, he admits he removed the box from within the stairs, saw the 22 AR-15 in a long box inside. Oh my God. He said, this, the husband said,

I don't even remember, the gun freaked me out, I just put the shit back. And the sister said, we did not ask for any of this, we don't wanna be involved in any of this. He made us do it, this sucks. No, while he said he didn't know what was in the long box, the deputies would later learn it was a silencer

They believe that both the AR and the silencer were used in the murders really Wow Deputies then said well if he put the box back under the stairs. Why was it gone? And according to this they said it had been picked up by Emma Spencer, the daughter of his ex fiance. He got his ex fiance Laura's daughter to do it. So they said, how do you address the elephant in the room with these people that they are now passing off weapons from a man convicted of triple murder? The cops said, until I had retrieved the items, I had to play in between everybody's emotions. He said once he got all of this, he first contacted Emma Spencer who testified on Kit's behalf during the trial, but she wasn't cooperative.

He said at first she's acting like she doesn't know anything about it. She's very standoffish. I told her, I don't want to get in any trouble. I don't want you to get in any trouble being in possession of something that's regulated by the ATF. She said, I don't want you to get in any trouble being in possession of something that's regulated by the ATF. And she said, I'm at work, I have to go right now and all that kind of thing. Then at one point she said, okay, I moved it, my neighbor has it. They tracked it down to a neighbor who confirmed he was given the 22 caliber AR-15, but that

Spencer still had the silencer. She kept that herself. Interesting here. Those are quiet enough. If somebody puts a silencer on that, dude, you can snuff out an entire family with those things and not hear Pete. That's crazy. They then asked if Emma could turn,

could instead turn the silencer over to him and she showed up and the cop said he wasn't pleased. She said, he said, in a nice way to put it, she said, here it is, now get out of North Carolina and never come back. She was rude to them. But they got the silencer. And he said, well, I just said,

thank you for bringing this to me. This kept you out of a lot of trouble. Yeah, you can't have that, ma'am. I can absolutely charge you as an accessory after the fact Yeah, I like it and also you're in possession of a fucking suppressor with no stamp. You are in federal That's a crazy charge. You don't want that ma'am. No, you definitely don't so They communicated through this daughter through, and she wrote to the news, if any information I give you is to discredit me or Kit,

you can kindly piss off. Ma'am, you were holding a silencer. You're holding a silencer and you're not British, so. You're a criminal, stop saying piss off. Put that shit in your pocket. Jesus, so the appeal, he argues that they admitted hearsay statements, they allowed his ex-wife and stepson to refuse to testify excluded certain alleged alternative perpetrator evidence

Admitted evidence of a bullet casing that was discovered by a lay witness and excluding evidence that the same witness failed a polygraph examination denying his motion for a directed verdict on the arson and murder charges Allowing his convictions on two counts of first degree burglary to stand in violation of double jeopardy principles. So the arson charges, he's got a point because a deceased person cannot occupy a building. Only a live person can occupy a building. The court has specifically held a defendant cannot be convicted of first-degree arson when the Commonwealth failed to produce sufficient evidence that the person inside the building was actually alive

at the time of the fire and that the defendant was aware of that fact. Has to be both. They have to be alive and the guy has to know he's alive. They're alive in there. They said they point to the evidence of the bodies of Pam and at Denzerow who were badly charred. The Commonwealth refers to the evidence of a fire discovered near Cal's body. Thus the Commonwealth argues the evidence was inconclusive so the jury could reasonably be in fur, reasonably infer that they were alive when the fire started. That's not enough though. They said having carefully reviewed the record and arguments we reverse Martin's arson and attempted arson convictions and otherwise affirm everything.

So life without cocksucker. Keep it going. So you're not a flamer. So you're not a flamer. Um, yeah. So they have all of this shit here. Now the book is called I Will Rune You, the Tw the kit martin murder trial and it's by a milio corsetti the third and here is a just a quick little thing a synopsis that they

say here guilty until proven innocent the true story of christian kit martin the former army major an airline pilot convicted of a triple homicide. The true story of the former Army Major and airline pilot charged in a triple murder and the web of lies that led to his problematic conviction. Are you kidding? Yup. I swear to God. Emilio. Why were so many observers convinced of his innocence?

The evidence against Kit Martin consisted primarily of a dog tag with the defendant's name on it and a shell casing that was identified as having been fired from his gun. Yeah, that's what more do you want? His identification and the evidence. That's called evidence is what that's called. Identification and murder weapon tools were there. That was it. They said both pieces of evidence were supplied to the police by family members of two of the victims months after the crime. The defense suggested both pieces of evidence

had been planted to frame the defendant. The dog tag for example is not an official military dog tag. It was discovered on a bookshelf next to the victim's phone and wallet and it was on a string which the guy the one guy explained away pretty pretty easily here. They said lastly Kit Martin had alibi witnesses and security camera footage that proved he could not have committed any of the murders. That's not true though because they found work records and stuff showed that no he had plenty of time to do that. Yeah, so anyway, that went on. Then Kit, because this causes this giant

like weird fervor here. By the way, Kip right now is DOC number 318-956, serving life without parole at the Little little sandy correctional complex and um yeah this is an and then he wrote an article in 2016 by the way this is before the murder conviction before he was even charged with it while he was at the at fort leavenworth for 90 days oh yeah number for the other shit for the kiddie stuff It's called NCF M hero Christian Kit Martin quote the real expendables falsely accused military men

He then has a picture of Joan here And it says felon check abuser check fraudster check liar check murderer maybe she's hot Jesus she's pretty pretty late so they said he goes I'm not gonna read this whole thing because it is propaganda honestly it's like fucking there's a certain area of the internet right now where this is the hot propaganda I ain't gonna give this shit a fucking breath of air because it's bullshit. He basically says, yes, let me look through this. Yes, court marshals, they said are up 550% since 2007, he says.

Convictions are similarly growing exponentially. Army prisoners are up from 119 in 2010 to 593 in 2014. That's because they made a concerted effort to fucking prosecute criminals. The whole point was there was decades and decades and decades of fucking documented shit that said the army doesn't do shit when people get do things to other soldiers. Constant rapes don't get prosecuted. Assaults don't get prosecuted. So they said, let's start prosecuting those things. It wasn't that they just were making those up. They just were actually prosecuted crimes. They said, this

is due to the primarily, this is due primarily to false sexual assault epidemic. He says false. This is politically motivated narrative, almost identical to what's happening in our universities. You know who this asshole is now. He's trying to use political things for his own advantage for his own scummy crimes and it's fucking pathetic. Hiding behind that fucking uniform, what a twat. US veteran men are now the new political prisoners of the world. The real expenditures. are expendables.

Wow. This is fucking wild. After years of working to earn rank and respect, these combat veterans are now being treated like children and guarded by children too. Most guards are teenage privates straight out of high school and basic training. Yeah, because it's a shit job. Nobody wants to hear that. I don't care who has the job.

When I was a teenage private, I would have been too humbled to even speak to a real veteran such as my current brothers and I are brothers I am confined with now. I was in awe of real soldiers that had actually fought in war. Men who were power troopers, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. He wants the fucking guards in there to be in awe of him.

Right. Well, yeah, they would be if you weren't a fucking piece of shit they would be in awe of you if you weren't a murderer and convicted of simple assault on a child yeah that's like imagine that I respect a lot of people but if I was guarding them because they killed three fucking people I don't respect you anymore fuck. I respect you less because I'm trying to become this and you have now denigrated the fucking image of this. Thank you. You sullied my uniform, you cocksucker.

Yeah, no one should dislike this guy more than military people. He is disgracing their fucking uniform, not other people. Anyway, so it's fucking wild. Anyway, they say that he goes on to really go off on the sexual assault thing. Like, it's fucking wild, some of the shit he said. These poor soldiers, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

The machine spares know this. When you have an epidemic, you most show show your soul you must show your solutions working when you're spending 257 million dollars a year to convict veterans and building 95 million dollar prison you have to have a lot of hammers You must find nails to justify those hammers I bet you don't mind when they build fucking prisons and put fucking civilian criminals in them though You're happy about it probably because that's where most of you go to fucking work after you're done. But also- Not most of you, but a lot of you, cops and prison guards and shit.

He's acting like a soldier and a veteran doesn't commit crimes sometimes. And if they do, the respect of what they've done should wipe it all out. They should get a nice prison where people are in awe of them. He goes through all this and says maybe that's why 22 vets a day take their own lives Oh, don't pull that you fucking piece of shit. God. Damn it. I hope somebody fucking oh Fuck you. Okay, I'm done with this asshole. There you go everybody Pembroke, Kentucky So I did I wasn't I was 98% positive. He's done. He did it then I read that now. I'm I wasn't I was 98% positive. He's done. He did it then I read that now. I'm 3000% positive He did it. Oh fuck yourself right in your ass kit

He's a bad man your dog tags your medals and your Apache helicopter right up your fucking asshole, and I really want Accommodations for nothing for nothing. He's a Just for doing his job, which yes. Thank you for your service. No. Thank you for everything else You've done every day. He needs a blowjob for yes for what he's done Even by prison guards. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, there you go. That's that check that out Definitely rate and review on any of any of the podcast apps you're listening on please shut up and give me murder calm Tickets for live shows are right there. Pittsburgh, February 7th. Europe first Columbus. You're sold out, babe. Oh yeah. Love you. Thank you. Columbus. We are going to definitely, I think

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