Small Town Murder - #571 - Murder Martini - Pewaukee, Wisconsin

Episode Date: February 20, 2025

This week, in Pewaukee, Wisconsin, what appears to be a tragic tale of a person, giving up on life, is actually a most diabolical plot to murder an innocent person, with a very unique weapon, and get everything they had. This comes to light due to science, detective work... and the pure stupidity of the murderer! With lies that make no sense & finally a long letter, attempting to get a friend to fabricate evidence!!Along the way, we find out that some bands maybe shouldn't be in the same lineup together, that you really should watch who you trust with your money, and that vodka & Visine would make a terrible cocktail!!New episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I don't know why they had to turn their town name into a strange sexual act, but they've done it. It's strange, it is just outside Milwaukee, to the west of Milwaukee. It's about 20 minutes to Milwaukee, if you wanna do that. About an hour and 40 down to Chicago, and two hours and 20 minutes to our if you want to do that about an hour and 40 down to Chicago and two hours and 20 minutes to our last Wisconsin episode in Tomah, Wisconsin which was dark swamp death. That was

that was a I remember that one there was death in the swamp it was nasty. This is in Waukesha County area code 262. Now a little bit of history of this town the city of Pee Waukee wasn't actually incorporated until 1999 But there's been people here forever here It basically they used to have a village of pill walkie of Pee Waukee and they had other shit and they established it there The town originally the village was I guess approved in 1840 or something and it grew and settlers started to come and I guess it was a good farming community and there's a big lake here to Pee-Wah-Kee Lake so this is considered like a different lifestyle

than Milwaukee can completely this is like the burbs and there's a lake and it's like you know much more like an outdoor kind of a, not even a suburban, it's even more than that. It's interesting here. There's a clear spring lake there, which'll make things nice, and that's ideal for all sorts of shit. They used for commercial use, they got ice out of it back in the day.

Okay, so one of those ice towns that like, delivered the ice, like they would ship it? It was one of the major industries of Pewaukee was icing by getting ice they had ice houses and You know, they had like the armor meat company also had ice houses So they'd have that and it became one of the major suppliers of ice to southeastern, Wisconsin It was a big deal couple reviews of reviews of this town here. Five stars. Here's one. I believe that Pewaukee is a very family-friendly area with lots of activities. I believe that.

She made it sound like it was something you have to... They've convinced me. I have faith in that. That's a thing. You can just look. One of the big attractions to Pewaukee is the downtown area that has some cute shops, is on the water and hosts a variety of events throughout the year, and then in parentheses ski shows etc. Right. Ski shows. Ski shows. Watch other people ski. Not you. Three stars, I live in an apartment complex in Pewaukee. I've lived there for two years and have enjoyed my time in the area. It's a good place to live where everything I need is a small drive away It gives me the ability to be able to get to my job in a short amount of time

But also the distance where I can retreat to home Yeah, sweet spot from all of it. Yeah, forget Yeah, who the hell I people that like live across the street from their job is crazy to move You just look out and see it all the time. Oh, that'd be looming and daunting. That's horrifying. The area and people have treated me kindly. And then finally, two stars, Pee-Walkie is just okay. There's not much to do in my opinion. You must not like lake activities. He doesn't believe it. Not a big laker here. I ended up finding myself just hanging around Walmart or Meyer That's like I think a food store. Yeah, it's a Meyer's like

Yeah, I think it's another target Midwest. Yeah. Yeah with friends as something to do Yeah, that's you know, you're in a boring place when you're like, I guess we'll just walk around Walmart. That's Yeah We'll just walk around Walmart. That's See if they get any new lures in the fishing section like what else do you do people in Pwocky are also very judgmental about situations and Don't accommodate accommodate well for lower-class citizens They don't like the poor and they're very judgmental

Lower class people in this town, 15,589 people. So pretty small to be that close to Milwaukee. I mean, it's 20 minutes outside of Milwaukee. More females than males. Median age is slightly above the average. It's 44, it's 38 in the rest of the country. But most of that is because this is like, it's an expensive place. It's not a place you move when you're 23

and get a starter house. This is like, you have two kids and you've been saving up or whatever and then you move out to the burbs here. 69% of the people here are married, which is. Oh boy. It's 50-50 in the rest of the country. That is wild, way out of whack here.

The single with children here, 6.9%, which is about as low as we've ever seen in a town that has more than 200 people in it. So super, super low. Race of this town, 87.9% white, 0.8% black, 3.4% Asian, and what is it, 4.7% Hispanic. 61% of the people here are religious, a lot of religion here,

and the highest one, oddly enough, is Catholic. Really? And it's 30% Catholic here. Which. In the Midwest, huh? Yeah, some of these. In Wisconsin. Some of those pockets, and then 15% Lutheran after that. The unemployment rate is low here. A lot of employment opportunities

apparently. So that's low. I mean Milwaukee is right there too. So drive 20 minutes and go somewhere. Median household income is high in this area. How so? It is. Median household income, the rest of the country it's about $69,000. Here it is $110,269. Thriving. Doing great out here in the burbs of Milwaukee. That's not bad at all. And the cost of living, 100 is regular. Here it's 107.

So it's not that ad-a-whack. The highest thing is the home costs. This is a place that where they're building houses as fast as people are moving into them. So like there's hardly anything for sale and what is for sale is new construction for the most part because it is just people are coming and it was a very small town before this so we'll talk about that.

Median home cost. Oh, the inventory. Yeah, median home cost is $405,500. Fucking jeez. Which seems excessive for like suburban Milwaukee. I guess the lake is, I don't know, an attraction I guess. Either way, if we've convinced you to move from wherever you are to suburban Milwaukee, we have for you the Pee-Walkie Wisconsin real estate report.

The average two-bedroom rental here goes for about $1,320, which is above the national average but not that far above the national average. And there are apartment complexes here. Really? Yeah, that one person lived in an apartment complex for two years in the review. Here's I found it, there's like 10 things for sale in the entire town by the way. I found a.4 acre lot. Nothing special, just a cleared lot in what looks like it's going to be a future neighborhood

here. Nothing special, $183,990. For half an acre it's almost 200 grams. Patch of grass with nothing, I mean nothing on it, it's just grass. Here's a three bedroom, three bath, T-bowl for all your bee holes I guess. 1886 square foot condo. This is a condo. It is a big house with doors on opposite sides that you split the house with somebody else.

This place is full of carpeting. I mean it hasn't been redone in a long time. Nobody does wall to wall carpets really anymore. Um, when you see that you go, oh, this was in a while. This has been in a while probably. A lot of carpeting. That's not been a selling point. No.

Turned anybody on for quite some time. No, now it's like, oh, I gotta rip that carpeting up because I don't want to live on other people's fun. Wall to wall replacement job in this house. Yeah I don't want to live on other people's disgusting funky shit. No rip that up at least you can you know scour a carpet I guess or a floor. This house is $390,000. Golly.

It's not even a house. You know what I mean have your own property. And then here's a new house. This is brand new construction. There's no lawn in or anything yet. It's all dirt. Five bedrooms, six baths. So D-Bowl for all your B-Holes.

4,489 square feet on 0.63 acres. Two story. So nice house. It's's clean obviously it's brand new it's clean it looks good it's fine it's not a mansion I mean it's a big big giant house but it's not like you look at it and go oh man you are killing it person who's living there is really doing great it's just like a nice big house 1 million three hundred fourteen314,900 for that. They are out.

$1.3 million. Out of their fucking minds. I'm gonna say that right now. 20 minutes outside of Milwaukee. To have, to live in a town with the word P in it. I don't think so. So things to do, oh people from here by the way, JJ Watt is from here, this is his hometown.

And TJ then, right? I may be, unless they sent him away when he was younger. I don't know. The Watt family, yeah. That's where they're from. They're from Pee-Wah-kee? Pee-Wah-kee, yep, they made a big deal during one of the Super Bowls he was in there in Texas.

They went to his hometown of Pee-Wah-kee, I watched a video. Really? Oh yeah, yeah, talk about JJ Watt. Shoulda told this story. Shit, so things to do here. The Lake Country Fall Fest. Lake Country Fall Fest or Harvest Fest,

depending on which thing you see it in, but it's the same thing, will be held on the grounds of the Clark House Museum. This year's family friendly event, this is the most boring thing to do we've ever covered, will continue to emphasize the skills and crafts from years gone by. Old world Pee-Walkie. I'm going to antiquate an obsolete bullshit.

We're going to celebrate it. Chip ice from the lake, I guess. This event is on the grounds of the Clark House Museum, features old time crafts and hands-on activities, weaving, a blacksmith, blacksmith carving butter churning corn shelling and much more when butter churning is your activity you really have nothing happening come by for some old-timey labor like that's what this is I saw a video of an old lady butter churning online recently and it essentially just looks like she's giving

a really great hand job. Yeah, a really, those butter churning women would be, those butter churning women would give the most amazing hand jobs ever, because they would, first of all, iron grip. They're really good at it. Yeah. They're never gonna be like,

oh, my arm's getting tired. You've been churning all day. Your arm is, like, you'll have a Popeye forearm probably from that shit. Just close your eyes and don't look at who's doing it. It'll be an old gray lady with a bonnet on. That's why. There's also a genealogist Marilyn Hagerstrand will be there. So what is she doing?

It helps you find your family tree. That's awful. Now, so you've been bored shitless over it. Bored to piss. You've watched an old lady churn butter and you need to rock a little bit. What you do is you head on over to Summerfest. That's where it's at.

Nevermind Harvestfest. That's bullshit. Summerfest is where it is the, they call it, like the biggest gathering of bands and all this type of shit. Yeah, in the Midwest. In Wisconsin? In Wisconsin. Let's see, let's go down their lineup of who they have.

And I missed some of the people, but this is a highlight reel here. Let's see, Hoser? Hoser? Okay, Hoser. With a Z? Yeah, Hoser. That's the guy that used to be somebody we used to know. Oh, okay.

Gigi Perez, Tiny Habits, which sounds like I just do a little bit of heroin once in a while, but not all the time. Just a drop. Coke on Saturday. I'm a weekender. That's how it is. Laney Wilson, who looks exactly as she sounds, blonde lady with a cowboy hat, you know what that's going to be. you know what that's gonna be

Benson Boone who again looks exactly as you'd expect him to look The killers will be there the the Isley brothers will be there. What are all of them alive? How many how many are left guys? Let's be honest. There's gotta be two left There's gotta be Isley cousins mixed in at this point, right? There's gotta be two left. There's gotta be Isley Cousins mixed in at this point, right? Isley, they got different... Look we need to get four. That's the actor, right?

So you have a nephew... A couple Wallaces in there. Yeah, a nephew or somebody we can get... They didn't have an Isley last name anymore, so they'll put it down the family tree. Fabulous will be there. Remember we did his crime and sports, we talked about his real name and all that, which was hilarious. Gary Clark Jr. Okay, Genuine will be there.

What the fuck is this? Bone Thugs and Harmony will be there. Whoever's left out of that group. Maybe them and the Isley brothers should combine so they'd have a whole group. I just found out that one of their names is literally Flesh and. That's his name.

Flesh and Bone. Flesh and Bone. Oh, that's hilarious. It's the dumbest fucking thing. How do you have a festival that has Laney Wilson and Bone Thugs? And then following Bone Thugs' Fog Hat. So yeah, none of this makes sense.

Bone Thugs will sing first of the month and then Slow Ride will take off. It's fucking ridiculous. Then George Thorogood of course. Hell yeah, I mean, cause they're like, come on in. Yeah, that's who's in there. Then Cake, because that goes with George Thorogood. The Avett or Avett Brothers avid brothers brothers who again look exactly as they you'd imagine them to Chicago okay Who is available that's been famous anytime in the last I don't know 60 years anybody

James James Taylor. Yeah, it's not unusual. Why not? Tesla. Sure. Sure. Jason Mraz. Okay.

What the fuck? And Def Leppard, of course. Oh, and Megan Thee Stallion, obviously too. You gotta have her there. When you have Def Leppard, obviously she comes with the practice. This is unbelievable. This is the craziest thing I've ever heard of.

That's the weirdest festival that's ever happened. I swear to God. Wow. And it's like they pack, there's like three different days of it and the lineups, it isn't like an old, like classic rock day and hip hop day. It's all mixed together.

All bets are off. The Avett brothers followed by fucking, Avett brothers followed by bone thugs. It makes no sense whatsoever. Which is a crazy show altogether. You wouldn't program a radio station with all those people. It'd be a crazy radio station. Be like, what am I listening to? You're listening to 99.3.

All sorts of different shit. Welcome to 99.3, the what? Where every time a song comes Welcome to 993 the what? Where every time a song comes on you go what? Welcome to WTF FM. WTF FM. Where you're always wondering what the fuck are they playing now? What the fuck is this? I just heard Fabulous and here comes George Thorogood.

I'm confused. Oh My god They also have a 5k road race and a basketball tournament and all that kind of shit and All everything like that and then there's also the P walkie summer sizzle as well Gotta have that. This is a little lower key of an event as well. Gotta have that. This is a little lower key of an event. It happens right around the same time too. It really is probably overshadowed. This is at Kiwanis Village Park. And yeah, they said enjoy the musical talents of Andrea and the Mods. That's not exactly, you know, not exactly genuine. American band Okay, and bad medicine

Which is a Bon Jovi song? I don't know And American graffiti is a movie. So I don't know what's going on a George Lucas movie and there's a bocce ball tournament And a beer garden, so that's like the other one so much better. It's that's what I mean That's a little though. You can't really compare those they're going on at the same time I guess you got to do the summer sizzle right before the other one to get you really in the mood to see music Get you pumped up. That's what it's all about crime rate in this town. We're interested in here Property crime is a little over half the national average, but pretty low Honestly, very low and then violent crime murder rape robbery and of course assault the amount rush more of crime is about one third

Of the national average so two-thirds under the national average. So this is a safe place The same place people with money everybody that plays anything they go to their money you get to see fog hat It's really a hard dream. It's it's a dream. They got a lake and fog hat at the same time. Holy shit That said let's talk about some murder What do you say? Here we go. Yeah, let's get into some murder because we have a just a weird weird weird case today The weird person and it's interesting. Let's talk about a lady first up here Lynn let's talk about Lynn hernan hA-N, like that's her nan. Not my nan, that's her nan.

Born June 26th, 1956. So she's just about my dad's age there. Her parents are Bob and Lorraine Hernan. And now she grows up, Lynn graduated, she lived in Madison. She grew up in Madison, Wisconsin Yeah, where we'll have a show that I don't need to advertise because it's sold out. So never mind It's gonna I was gonna plug it. But never mind. She grew up in Madison. She graduated in the class of 1974 at La Follette High School

Yeah, and she had one career goal and one desire She wanted to be a hairstylist and own her own salon. That's it. That's what she was all about. It's not bad. No, it's a cool life and not bad at all. Hard work though. It's hard work.

I mean, my grandfather owned a barber shop. That is, you're there at 6 a.m., you leave at fucking 7.30 p.m. and it's on your feet the whole day. It's brutal. And you get your own customers. You know, you got to go market yourself, it's a tough gig. It's like comedy, but a little harder because you gotta actually do the work.

Yeah, you have to actually work, that's the difference. Yeah, but you can also, it's much easier to get a gig. That's the other part. Anyone will hire you until you fuck up. Teleplates all got hair, shit. Yeah, shit, I got that. Yeah, no, I've done it before. So she wants to do that and she ends up doing that

She'll become a hairstylist and eventually own her own salon for a while here Apparently she really really really likes old-timey shit. She's super into all that black and white movies Oh, like, you know romantic movies things like that. Betty Davis big Betty Davis. Oh know romantic movies things like that Betty Davis big Betty Davis oh very much yeah very much into Betty Davis and her favorite thing of all time is the Wizard of Oz she has Wizard of Oz memorabilia she loves the music the movie she knows all the facts all the facts and man was always sick he's a see how we have from the from the paint yeah Yeah, not good there I think it killed him. I made him very very ill cuz he kept inhaling shit

Do we have like shit in his lungs died first of all? But it wasn't for years. I mean it didn't like he didn't like finish the movie cough up a silver chunk and then fall dead Which is good But no, it wasn't good back then. They used to, it was tough in movies. But she is all about the Wizard of Oz and shit like that. So that tells you if a person's favorite movie and kind of their personality is wrapped up

around the Wizard of Oz, it tells you somewhat about what kind of person they are. That's usually like a upbeat person. You know what I mean? Wizard of Oz is a story of, I don't know, getting home. It's not a dark movie. You know what I mean? It has darkness to it, but the people who like it are...

They're cheery people. They're cheery people. The musical. It's a fucking musical. Yeah, there aren't a lot of musicals where it was just like some dark swarthy person like I love that fucking musical. It's great. I Love when they sing about being out of the woods. That's my favorite

So that's how she goes through life here From the 70s when she graduates high school in through the 90s. She's hairdressing into the 2000. She's hairdressing She never gets married never has kids Is that right? No marriage no kids, which is a good for you. She likes her cats. She has cats and Judy Garland and she's happy with that. Yeah She does she did she had a tough life Judy Garland, but she Lynn here has like a like she is a, how to put this here,

she has a lot of boyfriends and things like that and a lot of relationships, but she never wants to settle down and never wants to have kids. Nice. She always wants to live kind of her own thing. She's fun, she's living a life. Yeah, she's got her own shit that's going on.

Here's an ex-boyfriend of hers that becomes her like good regular friend after they're done with their relationship. That's another thing that happens a lot with her. She'll be have a boyfriend and then they break up and then they're friends for 20 years. Golly. She has to be a decent person for people to not, you know, hate her after their relationship ends because... She's mastered the art of amicable separation. That's incredible.

How many exes are you friends with? You know what I mean? One. Yeah, it's rare. So this guy's name is Jim Kelleher and they met at a music festival in 1983 when she was 27 years old at that point. Foghat was headlined in that one too.

I was gonna say, that was, they were there to hear slow ride Who are these death leopard idiots? I don't want to hear rock of ages play slow hat again or play fog hat slow ride Slow hat fog ride fog ride fog ride So they when asked what his first impression of her was he said that a lady that looked that good wouldn't go out with me. That's what he thought about her like, oh, yeah, she was looking good. She ain't gonna go out with me.

And she's like cool looking too. Back in the day, like all these pictures of her, like her hair is always like all cool and shit because she's a hairstylist and like she's like fashionable and like, yeah, she looks like a cool chick. But they she ended up liking him So this guy thought he had no chance and he ended up having a chance He's like wow she's I thought she'd have a higher fucking idea of herself, but I guess not That's a great me to hang out with her. Yeah, that's a great thing when you realize that you know A woman is that you like has lesser standards. Oh, she doesn't see what everybody else. She doesn't see that. She's wonderful Right. Okay. She doesn't know she's hot. Yeah, that's good

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And she said that they were best friends for over 35 years. Her and Lynn. And I guess she has a son, this Corrine has a son named Anthony. Anthony Pottsa. She's a sport bastard in Wisconsin. He said he always had a special bond with Lynn since childhood. And that's the thing too. A lot of her friends that have children, she becomes like their cool aunt basically.

Oh. So that's a constant theme that goes on. Like, oh, she treated me like a nephew and bought me things and took me places and treated me like one of her own type of thing. Like she didn't. She didn't have any kids, but she had a whole bunch of them because.

Yeah, she doesn't dislike kids. Yeah. She does not have any of her own. She's like, I like to play with them and buy them stuff and then send them on their way and go home and fuck my boyfriend. That seems like more fun. So he called her Auntie Linnie.

So there you go. He said he stayed close to her. He would regularly drop by her condo while he attended college nearby just to say hi and she'd make him like something to eat and all that kind of thing. He said, I love doing stuff with her. You know, thrift store shopping.

That was a date we would go on is thrift store shopping. Yeah, that is, I took my daughter doing that stuff for like funsies like we do. Yeah. Buy something stupid. You have $3, go get something. Yeah. Get something that'll impress me that you spent three bucks. all of this shit is four dollars. We'll figure this out

Yeah, it's not it's it's a cheap day. It's a fun day My daughter was into that for a while when she was a teenager, too We just go around a crazy doll that she will hide in her mom's house. That's fun Open the toilet lid and there it is So there's another young lady here who has a similar relationship with Lynn that Anthony has and that's a young lady named Jessie Kurczewski. I watched this whole fucking thing and I don't know how to still know how to say it. I've heard people say it. Kurzuski, Kurzuski, I'm gonna say K-U-R-C-Z-E-W-S-K-I. Wow, that's Kurzuski, I think.

Yeah, she's born in 1984, and she has a similar relationship because her mother, Jennifer Flower, was a good friend of Lynn's. Gotcha. So she had the same type of relationship, like an aunt relationship here. There's a picture of them at Jesse's high school

graduation party that Lynn threw for her. And it's like they're like, you know, she's like hugging her and you can see there's like balloons and picnic tables and shit and you know, she threw her the party. Jesse, by the way, not spelled in any way you'd expect it to be spelled Okay, you go jesse and she's a young lady you go. Oh, j. E s s i e no yeah, okay?

J. E s s e then no no Yep, j. E s s y is how she spells this name. I've never seen that before no at all no have you seen that from? Yes, but it's just like chicks named jess Jessica that just don't want to conform to the normal way Oh, no, her name is Jesse from what I've seen here. Really? Yeah, there is no Jessica. It's just Jesse That's a cowgirl Yeah for P walkie, that's an odd Odd name so now Lynn

She basically, you know from the time she graduates all the way up to 2014, so a good 40 years of her life here, she's always doing hair styling and all that. And I've known there's a lot of people in my family that have been in the hair business. And one thing that is for sure with the hair business is you can make a living off of it, but it's not a good way to unless you own a shop with a lot of people making your money. Or you do it for very, very wealthy folks. Or you obviously have you can do that.

But if you're doing it in Pee-Walkie, at the great clips or whatever, it's going to be, you're not going to kill it off of that. So they said she's always living paycheck to paycheck basically her whole life until 2014 when her mother died, oh And then she she inherited two hundred fifty thousand dollars That'll help. Yeah, that helps a lot so and and she also she it's basically just her in her townhouse with her cats and She lives very frugally

She doesn't do crazy stuff. She doesn't use any technology by the way. She doesn't have a phone in what year? 2014 not now 2014 15 She uses cash to pay for most things When she used her credit card it would be she'd literally go home and have it pay and pay it over the phone right then like to pay it like she would or write a check to pay it. She was right away. Do that. She hated technology, didn't own a smartphone, didn't have a computer, didn't use the internet period. How? How are you managing? In that in 2014 that is really difficult.

That's very impressive that she's able to pull that off and figure that out. 2014, yeah, she's living like a 1975 life. Cash and no technology. Is that a stubborn lady that doesn't want to or somebody that just is like you guys do it and I don't care? It seems like she's just kind of set in her ways in terms of that like she doesn't she's not interested she's like I am a 70s chick rock on yeah you know or everything she does she keeps the lifestyle that she still can do it that way that's I mean she's she doesn't live outside of that but I mean yeah you can

pull up in your t-top trans am and I'll get in but yeah I don't want to get on the internet afterwards, you know, take me to the Def Leppard show and then drop me off at home with my cat. Take me to the box office so that I can buy tickets because I didn't buy them. I definitely didn't get them on the internet when they first came out.

So that's how she's going along here. By 2016, she's not feeling well. Her health starts to rapidly decline here. Oh no. Rapidly decline. It's tough. Yeah, she just kinda out of nowhere. She just starts getting more and more ill.

Jim, her ex-boyfriend, said that despite the fact that she had these growing health problems and she was real frustrated with it and didn't know how to deal with it, she would still visit him and his girlfriend at their home. She'd still stop by and say hi. And he even said she'd bring treats and stuff. She would say she got stomach aches or whatever and she would always have to leave though. So she was, oh, that's how she would get out of there. So she starts having a hard time around the house because of her illnesses.

So Jessie here, Jessie decides she's gonna come in and help her out. Give a hand, yeah. Why not? This lady's been nice to her as a kid. You're supposed to help people out when they get older, so that's what she's doing here. And this is in 2016.

She comes to kinda, she doesn't live with her, but she's there here. And this is in 2016, she comes to kind of, she doesn't live with her, but she's there all the time. And she leaves at night and stuff, but she's always hanging out with her doing stuff. So much so that Lynn had a will drawn up in 2016, naming Jessie as personal representative, which is the equivalent of an ex, an executor in Wisconsin.

Power of attorney. Exactly, and she and Anthony Potza, her friend's son, who's like an aunt to him, they are the co-beneficiaries. Okay, 50-50? Yeah, so Jesse's supposed to be the executor and deal with it, but she's supposed to get the benefits to both of them. So yeah, they, I guess, Jesse sent Anthony some paperwork

of accounts she was settling and all that later on, so Anthony's involved in the whole will and the estate process here. Now, how sick is she? We'll talk about here. I guess there were times where she would fall like out of nowhere She just have a fall like she was 90. Yeah, which is hard because she's in her early 60s and Doesn't feel like she should be falling and she spent her life making a living on her feet, too

So yeah, she stood a long time. Yeah, you do that so Jesse would have to go and help her get up like she would come over to the house and help her up and you know stay with her a while. And apparently she had a lung disease of some kind. She had high blood pressure and severe gastrointestinal issues, which the doctors were never able to diagnose. This is the thing.

She has been for like the last year in 2016, she's been super ill and going to the doctor all the time, even being in the hospital, checked in for days and they're never, they can't put a finger on it of what exactly is wrong with her or what's causing it or what she can do to fix it or anything like that. They just keep bringing her back, which is frustrating. All those symptoms sound like the Midwest. It sounds like she's got some uh, she's been eating.

Midwest. Sounds like you've been eating some weird shit and uh, you know, you live in near factories probably growing up here maybe for the lung disease. Sounds like environmental disease though. How many? All the things that, yeah. What do you say in weight, let's just say in like net weight, how many cheese curds do you eat a day? Just what I'd like to know that.

Fried? You like them fried, don't you? Yeah. Past six months, would you say a quarter mile of kielbasa? How much? How much would you say? How many trucks do you say would be needed to deliver the curds to your house

that you've had in the last year? Just like end to end, how many? Curds, brats, beer. How much? how far? Like the big trucks, like the one that hit Tracy Morgan, one of those, like a big giant one, how many? That's what it sounds like. So Jessie was always with Lynn at this point

and became kind of her full-time carrot-caker as it goes. Jessie would do the grocery shopping, pay her bills, all the shit she didn't have enough strength to do. Yeah, Lynn is- That's horrible. It's hard. That's gotta be the most frustrating thing on the planet to have an illness that doctors just like, I don't know.

I don't know what that's about, especially if you've been very active your whole life and she has been. Real active. Get some rest, I guess, I don't know. It's tough. And she's lucky to have someone like Jessie around that'll help her out. I mean, that's a lot of people that age, especially if you don't have kids

They might not have anybody to help them out But so it's great that she did this is this is a good investment of being nice to a kid at one point And you get some returns now, so she also has a boyfriend Jesse does not Lynn Jesse's got a boyfriend named Scott Craig and They got together this same year in 2016. They hooked up here. So Jesse got a boyfriend and a person to take care of in 2016. Now Scott has four kids.

Golly, Scotty. Scotty boy is fertile. They all love Jesse apparently. Jesse gets along with the kids. Now as a couple they like to go out to bars. They go to his kids sporting events. He had a daughter that had all sorts of softball tournaments. So Jesse had to go watch someone else's kid play softball tournaments, which is always fun. They went to casinos a bunch too.

Really? A lot of gambling, a lot of casinos. The Midwest casinos are a very popular activity. I mean, the small bars, you've got pull tabs, and there's all kinds of gambling that they do. Meat auctions, there's all kinds of meat raffle, is what it's called. They just do weird shit where they throw a couple bucks on something and maybe they'll pay off. Yeah, well, and the casinos too,

I think a lot of that is the cold weather, it's something to do indoors. You know what I mean? It's an indoor activity. There's a lot of bingo, it's a weird place, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, a lot of b is the cold weather, it's something to do indoors. You know what I mean? It's an indoor activity. So that's a lot of bingo. It's a weird place. Yeah. Yeah.

A lot of bingo and fish fries and that kind of shit. So that's what they kind of do here. One of Craig, Scott Craig's cousins, Daniel, was living with Craig for a little bit a while while Jesse was also living there. So all in the house. Now, Jesse said she worked as a dental assistant, but this cousin started to suspect that she didn't have a job. She said she had a job,

and she would put scrubs on every morning and leave, and then she would return a few hours later like she'd worked a day, but this guy was like like something's off here So he confronted her about it, which is crazy because it's not even his girlfriend. He just confronted. Hey, I've been thinking What like who cares first of all it's none of your business So, you know tell your cousin and see if he wants to investigate it. Otherwise mind your fucking business It's a very interesting guy

that sat around pondering this all day. Yeah. You know, I don't think she's going where she said. I think this bitch is lying. Yeah. I think she's lying. Well, I mean, I'm not with her or anything. It's none of my business,

but I'm gonna talk to her about it. It doesn't matter to my life, but. So she folded and confided in him that yes, indeed, she has been out of work for the last six months and hadn't told Craig about it. She's still getting up putting on scrubs and leaving the house? Putting on scrubs and leaving the house, yes. Like a man in the 50s who's lost his job and is too ashamed to tell anyone. And he just goes sit at the bar and drink his ass off.

Before he fucking jumps off a bridge. Yeah. That's a very weird thing. So he was like, that is, why would you do that? And he's like, oh, I just, I didn't want Craig to think less of me that I didn't have a job and all that kind of thing. Where the fuck is she going all day?

That's the thing. She goes over to Lynn sometimes, hangs out with her, does stuff like that, goes shopping. Sits over there in scrubs. Yeah, that's what she does. Well, I mean, she's of nursing. So why not? So they said that even though she didn't have a job Jesse still managed to like spend a good amount of money She seemed to have money. That's why Craig never questioned that she had a job because she'd be buying things

She would give people gifts. She'd give the kids gifts. They'd go to the bar. She'd spring for dinner tabs Sometimes they'd go out to the casino, she'd spring for dinner tabs sometimes. They'd go out to the casino, she'd be gambling like he was, you know, they were both gambling and they're separate money, her and her boyfriend. And you know, she said she never like asked to borrow money or anything like that. So she seemed to be doing fine and being able to pay her bills. And so the cousin though said, quote, it seemed like there was no end to the money She had there was always money a lot of spending at the bar drinks for people food for people there was just constant spending

Yeah, which seems odd for an unemployed dental assistant Very strange here She even offers to give people money that you wouldn't expect She even offers to give people money that you wouldn't expect One of Scott's ex-wife the mother of his kids woman named Jacqueline here They remained on good terms everybody in the Midwest is so Easy to get along with all these people have amicable breakups, and they hang out afterwards This is crazy you people are nice towns, too You kind of have to because otherwise if you hate somebody enough to where you can't be

around them, that eliminates a lot of the places you can go. You have to avoid a whole grocery store. Like a whole section of town you have to avoid. Find a new Meijer. You can't go to that bar. So that's I guess they have three kids and then he has another one with somebody else. Now she said, this Jacqueline said she was civil with Jesse as well They met at a fast-pitched softball tournament where one of Scott's kids was playing in and

I guess they have an adult daughter. Okay Scott and this woman have an adult daughter who is in Thailand at the time doing some sort of school Which is an odd place to go for school. But I don't know what kind of what you can learn over there that you can't learn over here. I'm not sure. I'm sure there's something. That's one thing. So this lady was saying, Oh man, she teaches English over there. So, so now the ex wife was saying how, man, I wish I could go see her, but that trip to Thailand's fucking expensive and all that kind of thing. And it's long.

Long trip. So Jessie offers to pay for her trip to Thailand. She said, I'll buy you a ticket to Thailand. That's expensive. Yeah. And she's offering that to her boyfriend's ex-wife, which is a very odd gesture. I mean, nice, I guess.

From a person? Odd, yeah. Now this woman declined. She said, gesture. I mean nice. I guess yeah now this woman declined She said no no no I can't take that. It's the Midwest here. I can't be doing taking that from me here She said she was always curious how the hell she had that kind of money to just throw at her Yeah, because she didn't seem like you know she wasn't a wealthy person didn't come from a rich family or anything like that so to this goes on through 2016 2017 where Jesse's taking care of Lynn and You know all that kind of thing is going on here, and it doesn't seem like she has a job through this time So 2018 Lynn has been in and out of the hospital quite a bit

Oh, no, she keeps getting sick and being taken to the hospital. They don't know what's wrong with her. They send her home after a few days when she feels a little bit better. Then at the same time, Anthony, the quasi nephew said that during this time she'd always talk about her money, Linwood. She'd say it's disappearing. I don't know what's happening to my money. It's just disappearing.

I thought I had more and I look and then I have less money than I thought I had and I don't know What's going on here? So they said that you know they asked Anthony said well who's in charge of your money like are you in charge of everything? And she said well, you know, I appointed Jesse my power of attorney so she could pay my bills and do stuff like that So Anthony is like well, you know, maybe you should look into this because yeah, if she's the one doing it, I don't know. So now in August of 2018, Anthony said that Lynn appeared to be improving in health in August of 2018.

She seemed to be getting stronger. She said he said, quote, she said she was starting to feel better and she's like, you know, I'm fine, you know, I'm glad I'm getting out again and you know, we need to go out more often. It's good for me to get out of the house. So she started to get to the point where she was actually leaving the house again

and doing social things. So that's great. Now, September, 2018 comes along here. Jim, remember Lin's ex-boyfriend Jim, their buddies there, he called one night, him and his girlfriend called Lin's number, I guess on speakerphone, and Jim says, quote, well this girl answered the phone and she was kind of mouthing off to us. Quote, don't use this phone, don't call this number ever again. Don't worry about Lynn. Don't you worry about her.

Fuck you. What are you, longtime friend? Don't worry about her health, you asshole. So he gets this call of, or he calls and gets this response. He's like, what the fuck? And he said, at that point, he was telling his girlfriend, I got to find out what the hell is going on from Lynn here because I can't even talk to her So a few days later. He said he got a call from Lynn

He was happy she was in the hospital in September a late September of 2018 And she said that she should be getting out in a few days, and let's get plans to get together We'll make plans to get together with you and your girlfriend, we'll have a whatever. So she's discharged from the hospital on September 29th, 2018. Okay. Discharged and Jesse is helping her out, taking her home. Now we don't know what goes on from September 29th to October 3rd.

Not a lot of info on what is going on with Lynn. Other than I assume she is recovering at home from being in the hospital, is all you can imagine. Then on October 3rd, 2018, a 911 call goes out from her house, from Lynn's house, made by Jessie. She said she came in and found her friend unconscious and not breathing. And she needs, you know.

Medical assistance. Medical assistance, everybody get him over here. She's passed out in her recliner, is what she said. So a sheriff's deputy arrives first to find Lynn lying unconscious in a recliner. He called her very pale. She looked very pale, which is, then for Wisconsin, that's saying something.

When someone in Wisconsin calls you pale, you have no blood in your face at all. You are, you're transparent. You are one of those geckos. Yeah, you can see the blood in your veins is what you can see. That is- See your heartbeat. You are a human swatch at that point.

Human swatch watch. We all see the interior. So they said also that there was, this is a quote from the police report, human swatch at that point, human swatch watch. We all see the interior. So they said also that there was, this is a quote from the police report, quote, a large amount of crushed medication on her chest. Okay. And on a plate directly to the left of her

with a large amount of what appeared to be crushed up medication still on the plate. Right. Now there is also just a ring of pill bottles, tons of prescription pill bottles, which she's a sick woman who just got out of the hospital. So there's all, all sorts of different meds there, but crushing them up on a plate is a different story. Yeah. That's totally different. Um, so the, the police report said based on the initial observations Investigators believe this could have been a drug overdose of some kind She could have just OD'd in her recliner and she's sitting there. So they have a picture of the close-up of the bottles and There's a lot some have their caps on some don't have their caps on prescription bottle wise and

I guess they photographed multiple of her medications were scattered on the carpet as well there was like pills and bottles and shit all over the carpet as well as white powder on a plate and on her chest like we said so right away they're thinking this could be either an accidental overdose or even possibly a suicide because of the amount of pills and the amount of crushed up pills. This could have been, I'm gonna just snort pills till I die type of thing is what they were thinking.

So the chief medical examiner says that, she saw the pills and the powder scattered all over. She said there was a thought that maybe there was an ingestion that was possibly a cause for the death. So that's what they were gonna look into. If you find someone dead with all these pills around, first thing you're doing is a bunch of toxicology reports

to figure out if this is the reason or if this is some sort of coverup of the reason. So now Jim, the friend, ex-boyfriend of Lynn, he had never met Jesse by the way somehow really yeah Even though the last two years Jesse's been there all the time and he's their friends the only time Jim ever sees Lynn as if Lynn comes over to their house He never has gone over there, so he doesn't meet Jesse Yeah, that's interesting make a sick lady come over to you? She wanted to.

She didn't want people coming to her house. She wanted to come over to their house all the time. She liked to go out. So Jim says, I get a phone call from Jessie and she says I have some bad news. Lynn committed suicide. That's what she told Jim and quote, and by the way, we're going to have a dinner for her on the 13th at the open flame restaurants the open flame restaurant He said she said it in one sentence like oh, I have some bad news Lynn committed suicide

And by the way, we're gonna have dinner for her on the 13th at the open flame restaurant Okay, have a good one. Bye click. That was like the fall whole phone call consider this your invitation. Goodbye. Goodbye so wow, and he was like, oh my god, what the fuck and Um so wow and he was like oh my god. What the fuck and Jim says well, I didn't I kind of didn't believe her right off the bat. She wasn't crying So he at first didn't believe that Lynn was actually dead. Oh Because he's like she wasn't even crying like she was just calling me up She's like very matter-of-factly like someone telling you your appointment to have your fucking water softener fucking shit replaced like, you know, oh, we moved to Thursday. Okay, no problem.

Yeah, really weird. And Jim said he couldn't believe that Lynn would kill herself. I know she was sick, but she had a spirit. She had a good witch of the north kind of a spirit to her. You know what I mean? Dorothy didn't just quit. She kept plugging on. You know what I mean? You plug on.

Which is named, but yeah. Yeah, you're running Glenda. Glenda. Glenda. Glenda the Good Witch. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You never, so you plug on. You, maybe you pick up a Tin Man and a lion here or there and you figure it out. That's what you do. You pick your little dog up and you fucking go forward. Now, now that she has passed away, obviously terribly and sadly here, Anthony,

who is the co beneficiary of her will, said that at that point he found out that most of her assets had been eaten away by debt. They're already gone. He said, I just felt like something was up and I wanted to look at it more closely I just remember getting a final account with just a bunch of credit card bills And it was just weird how she had all these debts that just didn't make any sense to me She had $83 in her account when she died Wow $83 so somehow she that's why they think oh well, maybe it was a suicide She spent all her money and she was like, well, I'm broke now.

I guess I'll just kill myself. 4150 to Anthony. That's it. Yeah. You get that. Enjoy it. So the toxicology report here, they wanted to get the test results there and they said they definitely had a bunch of prescription drugs in her system at therapeutic levels

though. Not at ultra high levels enough to kill a person. That's what they found. So they were like, maybe there's some interactions with the drugs. If you take this one and this one together, maybe even at therapeutic levels. So the medical examiner said though, quote, there was a substance that I was, that was unusual, an unusual finding I hadn't seen in a report from their Facility before it was it was called

Tetrahydrozolene Okay now so this Tetrahydrozolene yeah tetrahydrozolene probably yeah, so this lady says I don't even know what this is this What the fuck is that and she's a medical examiner But it's never come up in a minute in a dead person not in the inner body No, so she said what is it she found out it is the active ingredient in Over-the-counter eye drops lysine Oh clear eyes Hydrosiline yeah, that's what that's that okay. She was like oh weird

Yeah, that's what that's that. Okay. She was like, oh weird She said this is a substance that I haven't seen in a toxicology report before it's not supposed to be in the blood Yeah, it's she's this is the medical examiner of the county She's never seen this before in a toxicology report being in somebody's body. So she thought that was weird Now other results from the report showed she had at least eight prescription drugs in her system Some of which she was not supposed to be taking at the time because those medications had been stopped by her doctors But she got them anyway and had them anyway So they said that in her the medical examiner said in her determination those medications along with her medical conditions contributed to her death but did not cause her death. So they were all at therapeutic levels so they didn't cause

her death none of them was it was over spiked none of the because they know like if this drug kills you this is what it does to the organ so they look through it and to see if that's the case and they never came up with anything so They also the medical examiner starts to believe that her body was staged to make it look like an overdose Because toxicology report showed that none of the crushed up medication that was found on her chest Yeah, just on her bare chest or on her shirt and on her cleavage and on this plate None of that stuff was in her system Hmm other want pills were in her system, but none of the shit that was crushed up

So unless she died before she got to snorting it right that's a very interesting off her own tits Yeah, I like snorting shit off tits even if they're my own What a hmm interesting so very much up meds on her chest and she's sucking on a vizine and she's got vizine in her system Which is strange son in a vizine somehow so The funeral there is no service Perlin's wishes. She wants to enter will she had no service. No funeral Nice dinner at Justin a dinner at the open frame and open flame and directs all Donations if you were gonna send flowers or something instead of that Send donations to no-kill animal shelters because that's what she's into so she's a nice lady is what she's what I'm saying here

So January 2019 one of her friends goes to the cops, okay? This is a one of her cousins like a distant cousin. I believe She contacted the county medical examiner's office with concerns about the circumstances of Lynn's death. And this cousin said he found it unusual that Lynn would have willed her entire estate to Jesse. He said, I don't understand that. So this guy checked records at the state level to see if Jesse had a criminal record and

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and I found this. I don't know if you guys got some suspicious shit on your end, but if we put these two things together, who the fuck knows? So they found out that yes, Jesse has a criminal record. In 2011, she was convicted on charges of identity, identity theft and forgery and was sentenced to eight years in prison because this was not her first arrest for this shit. Yeah. And, uh, she had been released from prison in early 2016,

which is when she started spending time with Lynn and right at the same exact time when Lynn's health deteriorated What the fuck is happening like the day she got out of prison Lynn's health started being bad She was fine her whole life before that Okay, so there's obviously some weird shit going on here, and they're little going on How did she meet her a little sis both through her mom? She was friends. She know her newer since she was a little kid She was another one of you got out of prison went right to her Yep, she was another one of

Lynn's like, you know little nieces basically. Yeah So if you know when these kids one of Lynn's kids, so a few months go by at this point yeah, while they're trying to figure this out and they're putting all these pieces together and while they're trying to figure this out and they're putting all these pieces together. And Jesse calls the cops for an update. Oh? Yeah, she wants to see what's going on. How is everything?

You know, you find anything out yet here? You know, what the fuck here? Now she comes in with her mother, and this is on YouTube. This is the whole interview, by the way. And it's her and her mother sitting there. And she, yeah, Jennifer Flower is her mother which I think is the name of the lady who Bill Clinton had an affair with and that made the Jennifer Flowers I believe was the hairdresser. She was a hairdresser too. Yeah. Which is

interesting. It's all connecting. So she sits down here and Jesse says and this is tech actual from the interview from the police interview here, Jesse says, when I talked to the medical examiner last, well, I talked to them numerous times and they said I had to contact you guys. They kind of like weren't sure we didn't know if it was a suicide or if it was something medical. And the detective says, so at this point, I mean, they're waiting for their secondary,

they're confirming tests, is what he said. So she says, yeah. And she says, I just wish I knew, you know, it's more so to if I could have done something and if I had been there, that's the hardest part. Because her story is she was with her, she went out for a few hours to run errands, came back to Jesse's house, and here she is. She's like, I left.

If I was there, could I have prevented something? So then they went into some of her issues. They also touched on her drug use as well. Now Jesse says that Lynn abused prescription drugs and frequently mixed it with alcohol as well. Frequently boozing it up as well. She said, quote, she was really big on her Xanax. That was her big one. She's real big on it. Real big on it. Her and everybody else. Her and a lot of other people. So anybody that's tried it. Oh, shit. So she said, and they said, well, what's your relationship with her?

Never mind all this. Let's talk about, you know, let's just chat. They're just having a chit chat. And Jessie says, she was like an aunt, like a second mom to me. She didn't have kids. So they said, so you've known her your whole life, and that's kind of why you were helping her out?

And she said, yeah, yeah, she's always been real nice to me. She said that she was about the only person still in Lynn's life at this point. She said, quote, she pretty much blew everyone off possible in the end. She'd say, no, I don't want to see anybody. Which is believable because if she's sick, she might not want people to see her in that condition. But yeah, according to Jesse and her mother here, Lynn was so withdrawn that she didn't even want to talk

to her friend Jim when he called. Oh. Which doesn't make sense, because then she's calling him from the hospital saying, let's get together when I get out of here. Yeah. Jennifer, Jesse's mother, tells the cops, she said, do not tell him I don't want him here,

I don't want to see him. And Jesse said she didn't like the way she looked, so she didn't want people around. That's what it was about. So that goes on for a little while longer, it's like a 35 minute conversation. Where they go really nowhere, she just says, I just want to know what happened,

and they ask, how do you know her? And that's it, kind of pleasant reason. And she leaves with her mother. Then the detectives, by the way, while this is going on, are investigating the whole thing. They're going, doing like forensic accounting on Lynn's money and shit like that to see what happened here. And they figure out that more than $250, dollars has been stolen from Lynn It's been just drained been drained. Yes before and after she died by the way. Oh so they Learned stuff about her accounts. I guess she had a money market account which had around two hundred and fifty thousand dollars in 2016 but after she died had $87 in it.

I'm sorry, I thought it was 83. $87 in it. Now, yeah, I would say so. Now some of that was spent by Lynn on some jewelry and a Jeep that she bought, but not $250,000. Jeeps are expensive, but not that expensive. That'd be a sick Jeep. That'd be a crazy fucking Jeep, dude.

What movie was that Jeep in? Just gonna say, it's got the 45 foot lift kit on it. It's a big one. Robert Downey Jr. drove it. Yeah, yeah. It flies also. Did I mention that? It flies and it's also amphibious. It's a great Jeep. So now everything else outside of the Jeep and some jewelry including a total of 20 checks all went to Jessie. Oh yeah between January of 2016 and October 3rd of 2018 Jessie stole over a hundred and

forty four thousand dollars from Lynn. Yeah that is a lot. She was getting checks out of Lynn's account with varying things in the memo notes, like IRS payment, car payment, but it was just for her. She was just stealing it. None of the money was going to the places where Lynn was supposed to be sending them.

So now she's, now Lynn has like debts that are coming up now. Troubles, yeah, problems. Taxes and shit are compounding and stuff like that? It's crazy. So they matched each of the checks to deposits in Jesse's accounts as well to make sure they matched up then tracked where Jesse spent that money and Apparently in the two weeks that Lynn was in the hospital before Lynn died there up till September 29th There was a big spike in spending for Jesse. And during that last hospital stay, money was being transferred from Lynn's account

into Jesse's account. And then Jesse was withdrawing that money from ATMs at a local casino. At the casino. Where there's so many cameras. Oh, and they keep track, if you win they keep track of who you are and there's, you know. Financial things there are very well viewed. Yeah, the least anonymous place you can go is a casino. Every square inch is covered in cameras and they keep track of all the transactions, so

you're fine. You feel anonymous because nobody knows your name, but your face is very well known. It's everywhere, yeah. So they also figured, found out that on the day that Lynn died, the day she died, a JCPenney credit card, which I didn't even know still existed in 2018. I didn't know you could get a, or 16,

I didn't know you could get a JCPenney credit card in 2016. The day this happened, a JCPenney credit card was opened in Lynn's name the day she died. After she was dead already. Oh shit. Yeah, yeah. Now first of all, she didn't go to fucking JCPenney and open a card, she doesn't have online access.

Right. Yep. Just days later, a $3,000 purchase of furniture made on another credit card in Lynn's name was delivered to the home of Jesse and Scott Craig. Oh, Scott got it too. And her boyfriend. Now, the police talked to him and he said that,

yeah, me and Jesse had spoken briefly about a new bedroom set for their home. And he said the talk ended with me saying, Oh, we don't need a new bedroom set. And then he came home a few weeks later and three new bedroom sets had been delivered to the house. That's just one bedrooms. Three. Everybody gets new beds. Wall to wall bedroom sets, new beds. Yeah. No house needs all new bedroom sets. Like, you probably don't.

It's just one of those things. He said he was unaware of the purchases also. Craig said, he's like, I don't know where the hell it came from, I don't know how she got it, I have no idea, shit was here. So then they get into some phone stuff as well here. They get their digital forensic analyst to analyze Jesse's cell phone,

and they find an app on there that displays a phony phone number and hid the authentic number on cell phone displays. Like Google phone. Yeah, like Google. You can disguise your number. That's all. There's a ton of ton of apps that do that. So many, everything the internet, every app, everything we've done has been ways to fucking scheme and can I scheme connive? It's either that or sex the porn. Yeah, it's either to get sex scheme or connive to get sex probably one of the

Scheme connive to fuck yeah And to make you look way more guilty if you do anything when you look at your phone because all of this shit has tracks in some way shape or form. So it's also doomed. So this detective obtained information and coordinates from cell towers that mapped all of the cell use by Jesse. And they also said it was Jesse's voice made on two phone calls made to Lynn's bank as well.

They figured out and he says Jesse was using Lynn's bank as well. They figured out And he says Jesse was using Lynn's credit cards while on a getaway with her boyfriend Yeah, she was like I'll pick up the tab and using his Out of 22 checks cut from Lynn's money market account opened in October 2014 20 of those were to Jesse This included transactions at bars and casinos, places that Lynn has never been before, by the way. She doesn't go there. These aren't her spots. These are Jesse's spots. Jesse's friend said that Jesse told her Lynn died after taking too much medication. Jesse told this young lady that she would pay bills, buy kids' furniture

and televisions and often go to the casinos with Lynn's money and write herself checks. So she was bragging about her friend, like, oh, this lady lets me do whatever I want with her money. This is what I do. Yeah. So another cop said that Jessie was a suspect

in a fraud case where she admittedly admitted that she was trying to open fraudulent accounts under her name of her upstairs neighbors. That's one of the things back in the day she went to jail for. So opening accounts in someone else's name is her jam that she does. She got like their mail and was like, well, fuck it. I mean, why not? I'll steal their identity. Um, and Anthony, the, you know, quasi nephew, yeah, And Anthony, the quasi-nephew, he brought up Lynn's will after her death, signed paperwork

making Jesse the personal representative of Lynn's estate and following that he started receiving the credit card bills and all that kind of shit. And he was like, that's some red flags there. So July 9th, 2019 now, this is three years later Jesse's living at Scott's house doing all sorts of shit the cops come and raid the house for Jesse Oh For fraud charges because they got her on all these fraud charges and this is the end of their relationship by the way Scott This is the final straw They fucking ripped his house apart Looking for shit searching it and he was like he has kids and shit he's like I

don't know fuck this this is crazy which is in a small-town murder episode that is as normal an activity as someone could have to go you made the cops rip my house apart and scare my kids we're finished it's over it's a very normal thing that usually doesn't happen on this show. Right. So the medical examiner at this point also has a conclusion for the cause of death

and everything like that. And from the report, it says the cause of death I determined was tetrahydrosaline poisoning. Hydrosaline. Hydrosaline, tetrahydrosoline poisoning. Hydrazoline. Hydrazoline, tetrahydrazoline poisoning. Yep. And the medical examiner ruled that Lynn probably

didn't deliberately drink this much eye drop formula. So she said how this injury occurred is that she was given the tetrahydrazoline by another, which is why I called it a homicide. So it's ruled a homicide. Yeah, nobody ever thinks, I squirt this bottle in my throat. No, that's never happened before.

And- They're called eye drops. The crazy part is, just last week on patrol or Live PD or whatever the fuck it was, we turned it on and there was a situation in a Walgreens where someone was in the bathroom for a long time and they thought they were out, passed out or junkie or something.

And instead this fucking woman in there tried to put eye drops in her eyes and instead put fucking wood glue in her eyes. Oh my god! The bottles were both clear. They didn't look exactly alike but if you were not paying attention on your phone she glued her fucking eyes shut. She glued her eyes shut and was in the bathroom trying to put water and get the glue out of

her eyes so her eyes were all fucked up and she's like I'm okay and then she had warrants and they arrested her. It's like this fucking lady is having a bad night They even asked her they asked her well, how'd you get here? Do you have a way out? Are you aware? How do you and she said well, I have my boyfriend dropped me off and they go and then he just left And she goes well, he had to drop me off cuz he's married. And I'm like, this lady's night is a disaster. Holy shit. Anyway, sorry, the eyedrops. I've heard of, I've heard of Vizin going in drinks

to make people sick. Yes, it's the famous bartender's revenge. That's what it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. To make people have to shits, basically. That's all it is. But I've never heard of it being a tetrahydrosaline poisoning that'd be it'd have to be like so many eye drops that's the thing if you if you put enough in to kill someone in their

like drink drink they'd be like I think you made my fucking martini week this is weird taste this tastes like dry ice why does it taste like tears what's up with that so detectives bring old Jessie back in to talk to her. She's in cuffs now because she's in jail from the fraud thing. So yeah, now they say to her they're, they're trying to look at this as a murder. The cop says to her there, which I like that they do like somebody else. Not me, obviously. I'm here on your side, but they, I'm a fraud guy. Yeah. That's a trick I use as a process server. I don't know what they want you to do. This is crazy. I'm, I'm. I'm a fraud guy. Yeah. They're murderers. That's a trick I use as a process server. I don't know what they want you to do.

This is crazy. I'm the guy delivering. I don't know shit about anything. So. Sorry they want you to pay child support. That's crazy. That's crazy. Wow.

Those lawyers are assholes. That's what you always say. These fucking lawyers are fucking assholes, man. And they're like, yeah, okay. And they take the papers and don't shoot you. That's how it works. That's how you get out of being murdered on someone's fucking front doorstep.

So Jesse, after being told they're looking at it as a murder, Jesse says, that's just insane to me and is this why I'm here? And the detective says, one of the reasons. And they said, Jesse said, do you guys think I murdered her? No, I'm not murder cops. And the guy goes did you? Which is a very good question at that point. Well done. And she says I swear to

God I didn't. Okay. All right that's a decent start. No would have been a great thing to say. No absolutely not. Are you fucking crazy? No. Standing on it like that is weird. Yeah so the detective says typically would you go there in the morning or the night or and Jesse says I didn't have a set It just depended how she was doing the day before and you know that kind of thing so then they Talk to her about the money. Well if you didn't show up at a certain time or like days How did she pay you basically because you got money from these checks. So how does that work? And she said that, well, she said, I got that money because Lynn's been paying me for helping

her. And they said, okay, do you have like an official arrangement? Like I make $20 an hour or anything like that, you know, whatever. She said, no, no, no, there was nothing. No, nothing like that. I mean, there was no, you know, one day, oh, here's a check, one day, here's my card, go get this. One day, I mean, it was no, no set, and then the detective says, no set amount? Yeah. By the way, that was a word salad that she gave out there.

She really tried hard to explain it and got nowhere. Got nowhere, she got like a bunch of half sentences, basically, that does, that's a bad sign to not have a A to B explanation of that. So no set amount. Jesse says, no, I mean, she'd help out. Uh, she'd tell my mom, Oh, this month I'm going to pay your rent or I'm going to pay your car. Who does that by the way? Just, Hey, I just decided this month, I'll pay your car payment. Normal, able bodied adult. Yeah. In exchange for you doing what you're doing. Uh, I just decided this month. I'll pay your car payment normal able-bodied adult

Yeah in exchange for you doing what you're doing. I paid your child. I paid your your your car payment directly Yeah, I called them. I just I paid your mom's rent. Yeah for some reason like that's weird. So strange Very very strange. So then they said listen, it's the autopsy that we're concerned with here. Yeah So then they said, listen, it's the autopsy that we're concerned with here. Yeah. Toxicology reports. The guy says there's an anomaly in her toxicology. There's a drug in her system that's not supposed to be there. And Jesse says, and what would that be? And he says, um, it's called Tetra Tetra Hydrozyl Hydros fucking got a drowsily. They misspelled it on here. So I was like, there's an L in there somewhere. hydrozo... hydro... fucking god damn it. Hydrosaline. Hydrosaline.

They misspelled it on here. So then I was like, there's an L in there somewhere. Where is it? Tetrahydrosaline. They... and Jess says, what is that? And the detective says, more commonly known as eye drops. More commonly known as the shit that Ben Stein sells people. You know, the shit that when you're stoned you'd put in your eyes as a teenager So your parents wouldn't know you know that stuff. Yeah, yeah

So Jesse right away says she uses eyedrops all the time. Oh And the guy says what did she use them for? Yeah, which is a good question here Jesse says she used them for her eyes. She'd put them in her eyes all the time How much gallons and how much is it did she put in her eyes? Enough to her bloodstream leaked into her mouth and through her fucking nasal cavity. How did she do this? So the detective says what killed her is the eye drops.

And Jesse says, are you serious? And she's all like, Oh my God. And the detective says, mm hmm. He's just like, yep, don't say a word. Let her try to get out of this. You know what I mean? So at that point, um, he says like the medical examiner thinks someone gave her the eye drops orally in an attempt to kill her. That's that's what the medical examiner's report says.

So Jesse says, do you guys think I murdered her? Ma'am. And he says again, did you? Right. And she says, I swear to God I didn't. I did not. Uh oh. No, cause she took the contraction away.

So the detective says, it seems like you're the one who had the most to gain from this. You know, we bono here, bitch. What's going on? And yeah, the detective said also that they found out through her phones that you know all about tetrahydrosaline as a matter of fact. Oh? Because we saw in text messages with your boyfriend Scott that someone had put it in your drink when you were at a bar about three months after Lynn's death. Right. And then the detective

reads the text out. Oh shit. You to Scott. Scott I don't feel good. And you know she said she went to the hospital after that and here are her texts. They said my blood pressure is really bad I have traces of tetrahydrosaline in my blood the doctor said that's the main ingredient in eye drops He said people put it in people's drinks all the time. He said there's no taste to it and people don't notice Okay, she and then she also says quote you can die from that So she's acting like what do you mean when she described this exact fucking thing? Yeah, right to her boyfriend So they're at an impasse. They say you you kill her and she says no you sure yeah

Promise scouts honor and she's like fucking all I got it all swear to God never mind So they go, okay, they send her back to her cell The next day she said I got it all swear to God never mind so they go okay they send her back to her cell the next day she said I want to talk to you guys again hey guys I got some things to say I got some things to say here so that this is after spending her first night in jail because that was when they arrested her was that one now she's got a different story okay now at first she said yeah she used eyedrops all the time in her eyes. Now she says, quote, I was up all night trying to think of everything and anything.

I was thinking of the Visines. She boofs Visine. Yeah. The Visines. And that's, that's on purpose too. That's not just like her talking weird here She says quote she was drinking vodka and Visine The worst mixer ever the worst Vodka Visine a V and V, please. Thank you. I Vodka Red Bull is disgusting, but this is another level. You know what I mean?

This is the worst mixer ever fuck a Tom Collins mix fuck a Grapefruit juice and orange juice and this and that this is the most disgusting mixer Let me get a V and V. We don't have Vizin, we got clear eyes. That'll do. Yeah, fuck it. I guess We need a vodka and Vizin clear, fuck it, I guess. Vodka and Vizin, clear eyes, okay? I guess. That is awful. I guess if all you have is well, fine. That's fine as long as it's got gray goos. That OpCon A shit is, that's the top shelf.

That's like a Johnny Walker blue, you know what I mean? A shot of that's gonna cost you. Ah, vodka, Johnny Walker blue. You know what I mean? Vodka, who the fuck said she was drinking vodka and Visine Honestly, I'll be like oh that explains. Thank you for clearing that up. Thank you. All right send her back to herself I give her give her a good food tonight to extra. We'll go we're gonna order her a pizza So much weird Give her good food tonight too, extra. We're gonna order her a pizza in herself. Lady, that just made it so much weirder. Thank you. So the detective here says, how do you know she mixed Vizin with her vodka, you said?

Like, for real? Yeah, she had me making it. She says because that's what she did. That's what she did. And the detective asks the question, I think every single of the hundreds of thousands of people listening right now why That's a great huh Why and Jesse says she's done it about three times And the detective says why number one then he says and another why why didn't you tell us about this yesterday when we brought it up?

Yeah, and she says quote because I didn't want to tell you guys because you guys are making it sound like it happened the day Of and that's not what when she was doing that oh Okay, but that makes no sense of why you didn't tell us this shit So the detective says did you ever put the vodka in the vizine, did you ever put the vodka or the vizine into the vodka? Right, did you mix this, was it on the rocks or? Are you the bartender here, is it shaken?

How does this work, is it in a martini form? How many olives does she like, or does she prefer a pearl onion? Yeah. Jesse says, never, swear to God. She loves to swear to God, this one. Yeah, it's her favorite person. So the detective said, so she put the Visine in her vodka.

Yeah, she did. And Jessie says, yep. Then she said, there's a pause, like them staring at her, like she's got seven fucking heads, obviously. Right. Like, you're gonna have to elaborate. Lady, we don't get it.

Further, she says, quote, she was looking for a way out. Yeah, but. Yeah. You just slept on this, and this is what you came back to us with. That's a, you had a long night in jail to sit And think about this shit and your first night in jail. You probably didn't sleep very well. So yeah

So they go but you she's looking for a way out, but you didn't help her with that way out Did you did you do that? And she said quote I never mixed it. I swear to God. I bought it for her I knew she was mixing it. She put it into her water once in a while and in her vodka once in a while This makes no fucking sense by the way Not run on up to Walgreens and get me my mixers And she says later she she like buys like six bottles of it at a time of Visine Which is enough to make a whole drink so they kept going back to why wouldn't you tell us this information yesterday? What?

What's the deal? How could you not tell us that when we told you and you acted like, oh, weird. I don't know. Like that's fucking crazy. We've talked to you twice and in none of those times, even though you've done research, right? Cause you were poisoned to know that it's poisonous and it could kill you. And in none of those times, even though you've done research, because you were poisoned, to know that it's poisonous and it could kill you, you still didn't bring that up,

knowing that she drinks the shit literally as a mixer with vodka. Wow. Shot chaser or mixer. She doesn't really. She did say she's mixing it, right? Mixing it with vizine, yeah. That's crazy.

Jesse then says that one time that once Lynn started having so much vizin at the house just laying around that that's when Jesse researched it too. That's why I looked it up then because I was like, why does she have all this vizin? Then Jesse said that Lynn tried pills twice, but it didn't work. So then she said that Lynn had dumped vizin into a bottle of vodka for days prior to her death. She was like drinking off this Vizin and vodka bottle that she had mixed together. She claims that Lynn became very ill twice before her death from drinking Vizin and was quote, shitting all over. This poor Ah! This poor woman, this poor fucking woman,

man, she can have no dignity in death even. It's like, I don't know, she's just drinking Vize, eating and shitting all over the place. Okay. Wow. She said then, Lynn made her, give me your phone, because, you know, Lynn doesn't have a smartphone. Yeah.

So she said that Lynn made her give her her phone So that she could research suicide methods. Oh Let me see your phone. I want to do a little research on suicide methods she said that Lynn bought a gun with which she intended to kill herself and had fat in fact that Jesse had saved Lynn from killing herself on at least two occasions after the first time happened she walked in and found Lynn with a gun in her hand and She's talked her out of it and then two other occasions. She talked her down from a suicidal ledge basically Yeah, and they're like tail that she's shitting all over place. She's covered in shit and I'm saving her anyway.

Knocking guns out of her hand. When you mixed shit and weird cocktails and all sorts, this is a strange story. So that's, they're at an impasse again, where they keep saying that and she's going, I don't know man, she just likes Vizin. And they went back and forth and they were like, anything else?

And she's like, nope, just wanted to tell you that she likes Vizin. And she mixes it with her vodka and she's like I'll be going back to my cell now and then the next day guess what she does what hey guys can I talk to you one more time they're getting tired of her by now like I can't look it's talking murder and suspension just a talkie murder suspect you really are I need to have some suspense on this story. Holy shit, third time in three days.

And she says this, quote, she said she lost like feeling of her body. It made her feel good. And I honestly, and I honestly, she was doing it for so long that I didn't think she was going to die from it. I really didn't. I thought, okay, she was getting some sleep from it. That's it. She was doing it for two months at least. She's getting sleep from Visine?

Yes, Visine. I think the vodka would be the active ingredient in sleepiness, I would imagine. Because when I drink vodka, I get sleepy. That's the depressant. No Visine in it at all. We had those martinis came back. You said, I'm gonna go to the bathroom. I'll see you in a minute. And we both passed out. That's what happened in our separate quarters. Yeah, you have too much vizin last night. Yeah, man, I didn't realize I just put too many drops in my eyes. That was the problem.

Had nothing to do with the vodka at all. Nothing. Wow. And it made her feel good. She was doing it for two months and the detective said, doing what? And she said the Visine, of course. Doing the Visine. She said, now she says that Lynn actually did drink Visine the day she died. Remember before she said her whole reason for showing up yesterday was because they thought she was drinking it the day she died when she wasn't. And she needed to tell them that she's been doing it for a long time Yeah, now she claims whole new story that when she visited Lynn that morning that Jesse knew

That Lynn had poured six bottles of Visine Six a sixer she did a whole six pack That's crazy into her own water bottle and Jesse said that bottle of water right there had six six vizines how many bottles and how by zine is a drop thing three two drops in each eye. It doesn't say anything about how many bottles you use for anything. If you get like a piece of dust or something in your eye, you will squirt that shit in there, but you're not.

It's like five drops then and it's all over your face and you're like, oh Jesus Christ. Got more in my ear than in my eye. You try not to get it in your mouth because you don't want to be shitting yourself later. You're like, ah, doing that shit, wiping it all off with your shoulder fucking shirt. Six vizines. Six vizines. She threw a sixer down, man.

She was raging that night. Having a rager. It's the craziest thing that we've ever said on this show. That's what I mean. This is the story. It's bonkers, dude. It's fucking bonkers. Visine.

I think she had six. That's way too much to drive. She had a 40 and she just was just hitting it man. Too bad they don't make it in kegs. So Jess says, Jessie says, I didn't put it in there. I gave her a bottle of water., you know what she does. Yeah, what she does with her own water. It's I figured it was like those flavor drops people put in I don't know one of those things So the detective said which is the one you know has six bottles of vizene in it and she says yep

Okay, and they said cuz she told you and you give it to her. Is that it? And Jesse says, well, we argued about it. She said that they spent 10 minutes going back and forth trying that she was trying to stop her from, you know, this fatal Visine dose that said, please put the Visine down. That's all I ask of you is not something that you hear very often. And she said, Jesse said, quote, she said, no, I want that bottle of water. It'll put me to sleep or just drink vodka.

And the detective says, and then you gave in and Jesse says, yep, yep, it's her choice and what she wanted. And they said, and then you left. And she says, yep. So they said, well, what about, you know, what about the JCPenney credit card that you opened in her name and went grocery shopping? And what about that? You were so sad you bought, you know, you got a nearly defunct store's credit card and then went grocery shopping.

Did you stop at Sears afterwards too? Anywhere else? Fucking Circuit City. Did you think about Montgomery War? Yeah, what's happening? So Jesse, after all those questions, says, quote, I didn't do it to her though. I didn't.

And starts crying and sobbing. I didn't do it to her though. I didn't and starts crying and sobbing. I didn't do it to her. You've given us three different stories and then open credit cards after a woman vizined herself to death. In your way yeah. Then they find they ask her about well there's deleted files from your phone for searches for various poisonings. This is both before and after her death.

One of them was quote, cyanide.pdf. Just what? Cyanide.pdf, a PDF form about all you need to know about cyanide, which is hilarious. That's one of the things she had on her phone, a file she downloaded. Where did she get that from? I'm sure you could find it at,

probably a scientific or a medical thing that describes the cyanide how much you know. Oh she probably googled cyanide and then clicked the document and downloaded it. Didn't realize she downloaded it. No didn't realize when that little thing jumped in her phone it was oh that's a download lady. That little bouncing file thingy. That means you own that now. She probably clicked, she clicked and it didn't happen and then clicked some other stuff to get to and didn't realize that she downloaded it. Possibly. Possibly. Or I think maybe when you, when you click on something, I guess

it's on your phone, it might technically be a download that will save you cash. Possibly. I'm not sure how that works and we're not fucking, we're not IT. I'm not looking at that works and we're not fucking, we're not IT. I'm not looking at cyanide.pdf. No, that's the other thing. I've never been on that one before. And oddly enough, I'm one of the few people who have reason to look for that kind of shit.

That would somehow be not suspicious on my computer compared to everything else I look for. So then she maintained that Lynn would use her phone to look up ways to kill herself and that Jesse says she didn't remember searching for poisons a month before she was taken into custody either. She also claims she gave Lynn the water bottle filled with the eye drops the day she died because she always gives into what Lynn wants.

You know, I just can't help it. She said, quote, I know that I'm probably going to prison for the rest of my life for helping her with what she wanted. And then she keeps crying. She loves, she's a big crier this one too. Really? Oh, she's always crying, yeah, always crying. So then she is in custody and she makes a call

to her boyfriend, Scott, okay, who's not her boyfriend anymore. After the arrest. Oh, he broke up, huh? He's not, he's done with her. Right, right. Because the cops raided his house and fucked the place up. So he accepted calls from her, though,

while she was in custody for some reason. That's an easy click, nope. Do you accept, fuck no, click, done. I'm still paying for the shit that she got broken by the cops. Yep. I know obviously this is being recorded by the cops here and He says on the recording quote. You just kept making up more and more lies. You're diabolical. That's just crazy Yeah, which is the most normal reaction you could get Scott's a real fucking normal guy. Yeah, like I watched him testify in court He's just like this dorky gray-haired normal guy, just like real run-of-the-mill, and he's like,

you know, yeah, once cops. He's a father of four, for God's sake. He said, once cops come into my house and disrupt all this stuff with my kids, I can't be with a person like that anymore. And I'm like, oh my God, someone who's not trash. This is great. So he said later on that, you know,

the kids, she was like, she was like a mother, that Lynn was like a mother to Jesse, even though he never met Lynn. Jesse kept Lynn and Craig separated even. Is that right? Her boyfriend? Yeah. Jim, I mean, who's Craig? Or Scott Craig is his name, Scott Craig.

Scott, Scott, Scott, Scott, that's right. That's right, he said his last name there. So that's very interesting. He also thought that, he said, I never met her because I thought she was in a coma because that's what Jesse told me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he said that Jesse told me

that she was in a coma for months prior to her death, so that's what I thought. And by the way, Lynn was never in a coma. That never happened. She made it up. Maybe a vizine one, but no coma. Yeah, she's in a vodka coma. So on this recorded phone call, he says, why'd you tell me she was in a fucking coma?

Why'd you lie to me about all that shit? And Jesse says, quote, I told you that to protect you for a reason. Oh, I was trying to. Yeah. So, and, uh, Craig just says, quote, that's pretty disgusting. That's a disgusting thing to lie about. Scott Craig says, so yeah. And then they talk about how she spent months without a job and pretended to go to work. And that even while you're unemployed, you're giving my fucking kids gifts.

You're you're offering to send my ex-wife to Thailand because you're stealing this fucking sick lady's money, you're fucked up, you're real fucked up. He levels her, man, it's fucking awesome. Then they find texts between Scott and Jessie indicating that Jessie, that's the Visine text when she was in the hospital and all that kind of thing. By the way, she was able to spell

tetrahydrosaline correctly. She knows how to spell it? She's looked it up, that's why, yeah. Wow. That's like, yeah. When someone like, you know, talks up, says something on social media about us and they spell my last name right without tagging me

and having it filled in, that's always impressive. I'm like, oh, you must be a fan of the fucking job. That means she, if she knows how to spell that, she was looking at it. So, um, then they talk about her, you know, deleted files about cyanide and poisoning and suicide and, um, all of that. And they said also, uh, Jesse had a quote, Jesse sent detectives on a wild goose chase regarding the location of Lynn's safety deposit box, as well as gun parts and Visine bottles sealed in plastic bags that they never found.

She was telling them, oh, you can find these here and this here and none of this stuff actually existed. She was just like wasting time. So she is finally charged with murder in 2021. That took a while. A long fucking time. Three years. They had her in there because of the fraud anyway so they had time to just put the case together and have the charges be whatever. Now if she makes bail the conditions set by the court are no employment as a caregiver, no contact with any casinos, and no use or possession of over-the-counter eye drops.

I don't give a shit how red your eyes are. Absolutely not. You're not allowed to have Visine. That is contraband, ma'am. I bet you. A judge said that. That's incredible. I bet you she's the said that. That's incredible.

I bet you she's the only person in history to be banned from contraband. Banned from clear eyes, completely. Your eyes shan't be clear, young lady. That is some shit. So her trial comes up. And by the way, the craziest part of this hasn't even happened yet. I know that sounds nuts. But the craziest shit she's ever done hasn't even happened yet. I know that But the craziest shit she's ever done hasn't even happened yet that is coming up after the trial and it is Amazing it's the fucking most guilty thing anybody's ever done

Okay So in the openings of the trial here the prosecutor says that during the second day of interviews with detectives Jury you will hear Jesse tell them that they that Lynn did drink Visine, but Jesse says that she never gave Lynn any Visine and but Jesse does go into detail about how Lynn wanted to kill herself and that Lynn was using the eye drops to help her die by suicide. She also Jesse tells detectives that Lynn would get a buzz off drinking Vizin. Okay. Impossible. The DA also says there's certainly a factual bare bones timeline of theft, murder and more theft. They said but there's this almost overlaid timeline of all the defendants lies and deceit.

Yeah, she's all fucking liar to everybody. They accuse her of stealing almost $300,000 in total, including money from her estate later on. Then they said she finally gave that water bottle, knowing it had, in the defendant's estimation, 6 bottles of Vizin to Lynn Hernan, knowing it could kill her, and walks out of that condo unit, closes the door, and goes shopping on Lynn's dime. Wow. Sounds cold as fuck, doesn't it?

It does. Oh man, especially such a nice lady, too. Lynn's a real nice lady. Like, there's, man. So the defense comes up now. Now, how do you defend this? Well, she is gonna have a Sarah Boone level of amount of attorneys to try to figure it out.

Oh, really? By the end of this, she'll have gone through eight attorneys that withdrew from her case. Not that she fired that they said, fuck this lady, I'm not working with her. We can't do it. She wants us to mount a defense that is just illogical and unethical. I can't say that in front of people. No. They have cameras.

This shit is on the internet now. It's law and crime or whatever. they did the whole trials on fucking? You do right now going to tell a jury of 12 of my peers No, but something is addictive that is not a no all the other lawyers are gonna make fun of me. Do you understand? Later on at the lawyer meeting. They're all gonna pick on me. I can't take it. It's too much I gotta go sit down with these people in the future. I don't go to jail when you do. No, I'm gonna get wedgies because of this. They're gonna totally pick on me. Noogies and wedgies and I can't, I won't have it. They're gonna be saying things like vizin withdrawals at me. God damn it. I can't do that in front of people.

So, um, the defense says quote, if Lynn Hernan was there today. She would say are you crazy prosecution? That's my daughter. You have sitting in that desk over there. That's my daughter She said she had a boatload of prescription medication in her system and they're saying vizene killed her Not the other pills she had in her system along with alcohol Okay, and he says along this guy also says that Lynn knew that Jesse was spending her money and that Lynn was depressed and coping with alcohol and prescription medication. And he said that Lynn wanted to die and didn't like life. He says, but she introduced people to Jesse. This is my daughter. And that's who Jesse is to Lynn her daughter Yeah, Jennifer meaning her mom. That's Jesse's mom

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He is my father. And I had no idea about any of this until now. Welcome to Crook County, available now. Listen for free on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. They said she was tired of being sick and she decided to take her own life. They said when police arrived on the scene they found a lot of empty prescription bottles and they can't see that as a suicide And then points to Jesse and says she's innocent you find her not guilty

They said look at all the powder she had spilled on herself She said Jesse told you it was common for Lynn to crush up medications because of her problems swallowing pills Oh So she's got a narrow narrow throat She's got a narrow throat so she just snorts at all because that's more or just does it in liquid form Something but none of the crushed up shit was in her system. So that's a hard argument to make So the medical evidence they said the belief that the prosecution says this the belief that Lynn Hernan was given tigrahydrose alone

Rosaline by another shows that she was given this unsuspectingly. She didn't know that she was ingesting this substance when she did it. And the defense said, to the medical examiner, these are all the drugs that were found in her system, and they had a list, and the medical examiner says correct, and they were all in her blood, which means they'd already been ingested

and made it into the bloodstream. The doctor says, true. They said, your conclusion was that she died from tetrahydrosaline, right? And she said that, yes. And the defense asked how the medical examiner could be so certain that she didn't ingest the eye drops on her own.

And they said, you don't know as you sit here today whether she voluntarily ingested that. And the doctor says, it was my opinion she didn't, but knowledge of her action, no. Obviously, I wasn't there. But then on redirect, they asked about the powder found on and near her body, and they said, that wasn't in her system, right?

What's up with that? They said no. And the prosecution says, what do you think happened? And the doctor said, I think that they may have been deposited there. Someone put them there, basically. said, I think that they may have been deposited there. Someone put them there, basically. Hey, I'm no. Yeah, Chappelle joke.

Sprinkles of crack on it. Yeah, sprinkles of crack on it. Now it's drug crime, yeah. Yeah, they're fucking killing them softly. So Jim Killahher is also going to testify, the friend, Lynn's friend. They ask him, did you ever hear Lynn say anything to you about killing herself or thinking about killing herself?

Jim said, no, I did not. She never, never gave me the indication of being suicidal. Never. The woman's trying her best to get healthy, for Christ's sake. She's trying, damn it. Yeah, she was talking about hanging out and let's get together. The defense presents their case. Jesse's mother's friend testifies.

Sure. Gary Verdon, who's a friend of the mom there, testified that he'd been in Lynn's condo twice the second time about a year before her death, but he said his memory was very clear. He said, quote, I always saw her sitting in this chair. A chair? Did you have to search for the word chair? Sometimes, look man, some dummies like me have to stutter to try to pull that word out.

Chair? Chair? What is this thing with four legs? I get, there's words, plenty of words where I'm struggling because I'm trying to think of the next thing and the last thing and I'm following it, you know, all my notes. Maybe he was trying to find an interesting word, you know, in like fucking Lazy Boy or recliner or... Fucking, yeah, something.

I don't know what he was doing, but chair. Chair. Whatever. Fuck it. Chair. I gave up. Wow. Wow, with a table next to her, she had a white slurpee cup, a straw coming out of it. She had a bottle of vodka next to it.

She had an ashtray, her cigarettes, and a bottle of Vizine. Oh, that's a fun night she's got in front of her. She's a heavy smoker too, by the way, Lynn, as a 70s and 80s hairdresser, kind of has to be by law, I feel like. They said, are you sure it's Visine? And this guy said, yes, absolutely. He said on another occasion, he heard Lynn on speakerphone when he visited Jessie's mother, Jennifer Flower.

This Gary said, Lynn just started rambling off and she was either sleepy or tired or whatever, but she was rattling off about the will. Then she started talking about how she wanted to kill herself. Okay. That's normal conversation people have on speaker phone. My will, my will, my will. By the way, I really, this is important because I'm going to kill myself. Did I mention that? Right. Oh my god. Then the defense called a nurse practitioner who began treating Lynn for back pain in 2017. Despite prescribing several pain medications for her, she said Lynn did not improve and so they

asked her in 2018, January, she continues to complain about back pain and the nurse says yes and they said the pain being worsening and she says yes. Then they bring in the forensic pathologist and this person says, this doctor says, I would say her past medical history was very significant. She had a long list of medical conditions and also had quite a few psychiatric disorders, depression, anxiety, agoraphobia,

which is fear of public places, chronic insomnia. Those were the ones that were listed in her medical records. In her chart, those are all she has. She's been going to doctors for a long time and had these problems here, but she's always tried to get help for it too. She realizes she has problems and tries to fix them, or at least mitigate them a bit. This doctor also said she agreed with the state's conclusion that Lynn's medical problems contributed to her death.

She did not agree with the state's finding that Lynn died from tetrahydrosaline poisoning. The prosecutor says the forensic pathologist that the defense brought up said that Lynn's cause of death was undetermined, but she believed it was a mixed drug toxicity and so that means she thought it was a combination of all the drugs found in the system there. So they say would you say there's strong evidence here that Lynn Hernan's death was a suicide and the defense pathologist says uh I would say that's a good way to start I would say there's strong evidence that it certainly could have been a suicide, yes. So that's the defense is saying, see suicide, and the prosecution's going, obviously fucking

not, Jesus Christ. Yeah, this woman's just super lucky, happens to get a benefactor who can't wait to kill herself and give you all of her money. That's ridiculous. So will Jessie testify? Will she? That's the big question. And Jessie says, quote, it was very hard for me to decide, but ultimately I will not be testifying. She tells the judge. So prosecution, here's the closings. Prosecution DA says that

there's one motive here. Money. That it Jesse's clear as intent her intent is clear It was to kill and the motive is her own personal benefit This is someone who has profited over a hundred and forty four thousand dollars before the death and over eighty thousand dollars after the death Oh shit, so pretty cut and dried here. So the defense though says no no no it's obvious. She took her own life That's what's obvious here. We're looking for obvious shit The defense says that the state has not proven a first degree intentional homicide Jessie knew that lynn would take vizin and drink it but she doesn't know how she decided How she died that day looked like a suicide with pills from a person that was unhappy

As for the allegations of the theft The defense says she didn't steal that money. She was given that money. She was given. Yeah, she was giving away her money because she knew she was going to kill herself. That's like when people give away their possessions, it happens. She said Lynn gave Jesse all money all the time because she wanted to. She wanted Jesse to have it.

She knows she's going. She knows she's going out and Lynn made a decision She made a decision that she was going to exit and she did that on October 3rd once Jesse had left the home In the prosecutor rebuttal they say to believe this is a suicide You would have to believe that the most cosmic Intervention in the entire world and it happened at the exact point in time when Jesse Maximized the amount of money that she made on this whole ordeal. She saw she had no more money left in her money market. Eventually she's gonna see that and probably blame her

and then she was still on probation from her last prison stint for fraud. So she's gonna get caught for fraud and she's gonna go back for a long time. She's going away for 10 years. She just did six years for this. She's going back for 10 now, easy, so that's not great at all So the verdict comes in ten and a half hours of deliberation

Is that long that's a long fucking time more than I would need that's a that's what I mean It's not long in general, but for this case It seems like a while. Nine and a half hours, way too long. Are we just going to vote guilty now or after we eat lunch? When are we doing this? Because obviously this is crazy. You guys could eat, huh?

Okay. We're going to argue this out over a vodka and vizine. Who wants some V&Vs? On me, baby. At the corner bar. So they find her guilty of first degree murder. She, of course, broke down crying as she does multiple times in court.

She's also convicted on two counts of felony theft as well. Anthony, the quasi-nephew, said, I was just overcome with emotion. It makes you reflect on the last five years with the lies and deceit. Now, now's when it gets weird. Okay, if you haven't You may think it's weird so far. Well, you ain't seen shit yet. All right From from this point. She's now awaiting sentencing and that's takes a while, right? There's a couple of months until sentencing they have to get there

You know both sides have to prepare their case for sentencing and all the pre-sentencing reports and all that kind of shit. So during this time, an envelope containing 37 pages of handwritten letters and documents was received by a friend of Jesse's who turned it over to the sheriff's department. Oh, okay. This is fucking crazy. Now Jesse claims this is not, she did not write these letters. The problem is the letters are written

on the back of her own court notes from court. No one has possession of these court notes except for her. They're the notes she writes to her lawyers and stuff like that, and her lawyers, you her lawyers write a little something back on it. You see people scribbling in court all the time. That's what they're doing. She, cause that's the only paper she had in the holding cell in the jail,

she would take those back and then flip them over and write this letter on it. Nobody'll look at the back of these. No, and she claims this isn't her, even though it's her shit. So it's wild. The prosecutor said the letter requests a friend of Jesse to fake evidence, create a voice recording,

pretending to be Lynn Hernan to send all of this to the judge in the case, to the local media, even to the governor to try to prove Jesse's innocence. This letter is fucking insane. I have the whole thing. We're gonna read it, it's awesome. So the prosecutor said the documents were written by Jesse on the back of her trial notes giving directions to her friend on how to Impersonate her and fabricate materials and submit them to the court

This is crazy. She said that when she make the audio tape make sure to know that Lynn has an older raspy female voice It's an old gal. Yeah, you know like that kind of you know raspy female voice. It's an old gal. Yeah, you know, like that kind of, you know. Make it sound like you smoked for 40 years. That's exactly what she says. She says to her, she's a heavy smoker, make forever, make it sound like.

Make it sound like one of the Simpsons sisters. Make it sound like Selma, yeah, fattier Selma. She says, she directed her friend to say exactly what to say on the tape, quote, I can't go on anymore. I cannot go on anymore, which makes it more dramatic. I chose to drink Visine and end my life. Yeah. Okay. Um, this is fucking amazing. Now the letter here, they give it to the judge and it says enclosed her as a packet of 37 pages that are dated November 22nd and were received by the Waukesha County Sheriff's Department on November 26th, 2023.

The packet of papers is comprised of Jesse's initial letter to the recipient followed by many pages of instructions whereby she asks and instructs the recipient on how to create fraudulent documents along with a fraudulent cassette recording. The recipient received this packet of papers at her home and was disturbed by what was being asked of her and ultimately the recipient decided to turn them over to law enforcement. The state wishes to point out the original paperwork was double-sided which is important to note as Your Honor reads through the papers because her substantive instructions were

written on the back of her own trial note pages from her recent trial. For example, pages 17 and 18 of this packet are the same, but for the exception of the post-it note that she utilized as a means of showing the recipient where the recipient should place a fraudulent copy of a notary stamp on that document. She's even teaching her how to fraudulently notarize things. Page 19 is then a reverse side of that same sheet of paper and contains her notes taken during the trial. The same is true of pages 20 and 21 being the same but for the instructions on where to place the notary stamp. Okay they said this is

important because she's now written new fraudulent letters purporting to be from Lynn Herned dated back in 2016 and 17 on the back of her paperwork from trial which obviously occurred in 2023. Okay here's the letter here by the way it's written in absolute oh for fuck's sake that's a woman girl cursive yeah there's this is every chick you sat next to in sixth grade did this. And then they, they're other eye dot the eye with a circle, but she doesn't do that. She falls short of that. Um, uh, okay. Now, if I struggle for a minute, it's going to be to read her cursive on this paper, but I'll go, try to go through this pretty smoothly. Dear Jessica, this poor Jessica.

Oh boy. I wanted to thank you for being a friend. Travel down the road and back again. Your heart is true. You're a pal and a confidant. And if you threw a party, invited everyone you knew, the card on the gift would say, you would see the biggest gift would be from me. And the card attached would say,

thank you for being a friend. That's literally her first line is, thank you for being a friend. That's so funny. It's hilarious. Thanks for being a pal about this. Thank you. Just literally thank you for being a friend

through this crap. I mean that. This is crap now. Some days I feel so alone and now more so. I feel very selfish lately and I hope I told you I am sorry for your loss of your brother. I haven't asked either how you're doing or your kiddo. I hope all is well.

Okay, that's her. Look look I'm not a bad person. And now. I'm considering your family. Here, now here's some shit that is highly illegal and will get you put in prison. Help a murderer fucking get out of her. As long as you're well. Only if you're up for it.

There's some things I need you to do. If you're not feeling great, I'd suggest a V and V. You'll sleep well tonight. Now considering you have a child, now let me put you in, maybe make that child grow up without a mom. Horrifying legal danger. Let's do that. Let's put you in awful legal peril now.

How's that sound? Considering your child may have to visit you through glass for a while. At least it won't make your brother sad anymore. Since we know he's dead. Wow. I appreciate you coming for court and both you and your friends, please tell them too. I don't know Jess, this is just insane to me. I sit here day in and day out reeling or replaying and replaying everything.

I cannot spend the rest of my life locked away for something I didn't do. Then she says, this isn't right. I wish I had the jury's names. I was, I so want to reach out. I'm losing my mind about this. Yeah, that's why they don't give you their names so you can't harass the jurors who convicted you of murder.

Like that's crazy. I wish I had their names and their family and their addresses. You know, their addresses and maybe just what their weaknesses are. Their kids' school schedules and activity schedules, possibly. And access to their drinks.

Pictures of their spouses and access to phy-zine. Possibly some bomb-making materials. Oh, shit. spouses and access to phyxin. Then she goes on to say, if I'm honest, this is such a butter. You have no idea that you're going to be asked to do such horrible shit from the first part of this. If I'm honest, I don't know how much more I can take. I've wasted four and a half years for this to be made right or I've waited four and a half years for this to be made right and it I've waited four and a half years for this to be made right, and it got 10 times worse, not better.

I don't wanna be here anymore. I don't wanna be convicted of murder anymore. It was fun for a while, but. First, you know, the processing wasn't so bad. The fingerprinting, then they, I don't see anybody anymore. They're not, and they're not letting me out either, it's weird. I asked to go to the store, no one's doing it.

I said, when the guards leave, I said, hey, can you pick me up something, bring it back? No, they don't do it, it's weird. They don't even talk to me. It's fucked up, man. That is amazing. I don't wanna be here anymore. I'm so strong in my faith,

but right now I can't even open my Bible. I don't understand. I can't even open my Bible. I don't understand I can't go a day without breaking down at my new reality Staring at these walls. I keep thinking of all the things I want to To even do or have the hardest one is not being able to see my Grandparents before they pass and not being able to have kids Well, you you had all the opportunity to have kids and if your grandparents wanna visit you,

they're welcome to. Yeah, they're allowed in. They're fine, they probably won't because you're an asshole and they're embarrassed by you. Because you're in trouble. And you're in a lot of trouble. I'm glad, I'm glad. You're applied on the family.

You're really an embarrassment. You're all that anyone talks about when we go places, it's not great. I'm glad I don't with all of this, but by far that's one I get super emotional about. It's what I always wanted. Then there's my mom I worry about. She's got nobody left. She would have to be, she would have taken her life long ago, but I needed her.

I'm the only thing keeping my mom alive. She would have taken her life long ago. Why? Why is everyone so suicidal up here? What's happening in Pee-Wah-kee? You guys are trippin', man. Holy shit, the Brewers will win eventually. It's fine, just calm the fuck down. Jesus Christ, I needed her.

She's struggling with all of this and blaming herself because she couldn't deal with Lynn anymore. Okay, because she couldn't deal with Lynn anymore. Okay, then she went and dealt with her. So I stepped up to help Lynn Daly when she stopped and because she couldn't testify. We had a pact. If things went wrong like this, we were both checking out.

If we were, who, her and her mom, if we were convicted of murder, we're both, what the fuck are you talking about? I'm trying to fake to fight and hang on but it's so hard. I feel like I'm fighting a lost cause This county is so crooked. It's not even funny the county Counties crooked you you walk a shot. You're fucked up. You should see just what I've uncovered in discovery since the trial ended that they Lied about on the stand. It's so wrong So I talked with one of my attorneys about stuff in person and I got a biggie for you I got a biggie for you to ask of you took her two pages to ask this favor

First of all, this is big that you know, something bad's coming up. I got a big favor to ask. Okay. Ask away. First of all, this is big. Oh boy. Nevermind. I'm very well aware of how big this is. This is big. Um, I trust you and whether you help or not, there's something I need you to take. This is something I need you to take to your grave. Even this envelope didn't go through the jail mail. My attorney took it. This is one of my this one of my attorneys. This is one of my attorney's ideas and clearly they aren't going to tell anyone. I would never tell a soul. You can tell someone if it's to ask for help, but if you trust them and if you can't and

if you aren't comfortable, I'm going to give you another person's address and send it to them with directions and please. So if you won't do it, give it to this person and see if they'll do it. Either way, do not talk about it on the phone or visit and that's underlines do not talk and phone and visit or underlined You cannot or you can say if you got your letter if you can do it just say yes, I want you to send me a something form when you get to Somewhere and if not then say you need that address for my friend and I'll figure

out who plan B is and give you a name and address to forward it to. I know that all sounds cryptic because it is. Yeah. I know this sounds highly illegal and like I'm real secretive because it's super illegal and I'm very secretive. Probably sounds like I'm beating around the bush and I am, but it's because you need to do some thinking about how this has to unfold and be done. It's a lot.

Then she says LOL, which is hilarious that she put LOL in here. Because it is LOL. No LOLs in your jail letters to your friends to try to get them to help you beat a murder charge. No LOLs. We are trying to make a stir, a big stir to show just how wrong things are but I need help because there's only so much I can do in here. First you need to know I did not kill Lynn.

You should have said that in the first line. That's first? First, nor did I assist nor did I even steal a dime from her ever. My something charges are that old dumb or my old charges are that old dumb and young. Okay love you Jesse and then I thank you for everything under that and now the directions start it says I'll show you directions on top oh god this is what I need uh- Okay. Do you remember hearing about the, what is this, oh the picnic or the park, the White Hall Park where I buried things?

Okay. That was 100% true. The difference is six months later or so I regularly went to on a walk there daily. That area was prone to flooding and the bag was sticking out one day so I dig it out and ended up throwing it away. Only one person know that, my attorney. Everyone else believes it's in the park or never was in the park. So it's either still there or never was there. It was part of the gun, Vizin bottles. Lynn had dated from her mom's death. I never told anyone that.

She dated her vizine bottles. I don't know why you would do that. Lyn did? Lyn did, yeah. These are my- I guess they expire in, I don't know. Notarized papers of hers and a cassette tape, old school voice reading of Lynn.

All something stuff that I kept hidden, all, I can't read that, all something stuff that I kept hidden and quiet, but she spells it quite. She kept it hidden and quite. That word really fucks murderers. It has been so many times. They do it all the time. They can't get quiet right.

And it's not a spell check, it's a curse of handwriting. I don't know if I ever told you about Lynn's mom or if you heard when Dana or Donna tried to bring it up in court and the judge shot down the state requested her mom's Something re concept records records there we go, but never turned them over Well, I was in prison in 2013 Lynn's mom died she gave her Visine and her tea when she cut her out of her will When she found out her mom she she was stealing her money. Her mom died.

She got dizzy and fell down stairs. No autopsy was done. So she's saying Lynn killed her mom with Visine is what she's saying. So Lynn's a murderer. Uh, Lynn's a murder marked herself too with Visie. That's her. That's her thing here. Yeah. But she was always afraid. I didn't know this until after Lynn's passing. That's why she gave money away. It haunted her. That's her excuse. It haunted her. She felt bad about killing her mom. So she gave away money to perfect strangers to heal her own heart.

Yes. That makes her feel better about the whole thing. Give away all of her worldly possessions because she's down to 80 bucks. And it was by the way the whole point of killing her mom was to get this money. That's why she did it. And then she gave it all away. Then she gave it to 80 bucks and was like,

well, I got nothing left so it's time to go away. Go to the big Visine bottle in the sky, let's do this. Time to go visit Ben Stein. Holy shit. It haunted her. Also how and why she started drinking it. First was to die but it didn't happen. She'd been drinking it for months.

I didn't know till the end in parentheses. But numbed her pain and helped her sleep. That's not what Visine does. No. She was an insurance, no an insomniacac and Xanax wasn't helping her to sleep anymore. Wow. Xanax. Okay. Sorry. It's complicated. Yes. And I'm to blame because I didn't save the stuff, but at the time, what did I need it for? And I didn't want anyone knowing what I found out.

So here's what I'm trying to do. Yeah, get to that. Recreate that stuff. Just trying to recreate evidence that will clear. Recreate it. In other words, make up this evidence and make it happen. That is crazy. I did what I could. I wrote up the letters, will, etc. and I signed all names, dates, etc. I need someone to look online for a notary stamp not to buy. There are places that will show you a finished product. You input name on what it should say and you can copy and paste. You may need to cook a few. I don't know. They need to cook a few, but they have when you can, new sample. Then you take the pages I wrote, copy them a few times, make them a little lighter, then line up for notary and print more notary around angle, turn so forth so it's not lined up

perfectly. Make it look good like someone casually did it. Yes I used to make documents for people. Sounds crazy but true I was good at it. Yeah that's why you're in prison the first time. You aren't good at it at all. You got caught. A bunch of times. Those bank ones were something doing. I didn't make those mistakes. Anyway, sorry. Then, when done, copy the whole page again so it's a full copy, not original,

so nobody knows the notary seal wasn't a real stamp because it's got crimping on it. All I need is two different names for notary. One on page one and the other on three, and one on three pages. These are real people who worked at her bank years ago who actually notarize papers on these dates and I have those other papers here with the signatures dates and all that I did. So take these legitimate signatures

and notary things and put them on an illegitimate document. I just need the notary and copies please. Then it says explained with the pages. Now there's one more part I'm trying to get with that. I can't do anything on the Visine bottles because those bottles are way too old and none in stores would match that. And the gun piece they know she had bought it so it doesn't matter. It's the cassette tape. I need to see if someone would make a voice tape.

I know this is crazy. This whole letter is called I know this is crazy. I know this is crazy, but I got to try. It's something, I don't know what that is. It caused my life, if I could I would. They would suspect my mom, that's why I can't have her. Nobody has her on voice recording. She has an older, raspy, smoker's cough

and was a sick female voice. Always coughing and smoking. And action. And go. I need you to do this like everybody does Christopher Walken. How are your impressions? How are your impressions of old smoking? Can you cough a little bit?

Not just put that in there every once in a while. And then say, hold on, I need to light one of these Benson and Edges. And then just every once in a while go, just do that. Right into the mic. Where am I Virginia? every once in a while go just do that into the right into the mic if you can do that. Oh Christ, where are my Virginia slip? Oh that's oh that is satisfying smoke right there. Oh boy that really satisfies let me tell you something.

Oh Christ I feel so much better now that I have a cigarette. Oh boy Marlboro country is somewhere I never want to leave. It's so crazy. up country is somewhere I never want to leave. This is crazy. She says, I feel like there's programs online to change voices. There's so much technology these days. Maybe there's a plan for that. Is that a setting?

Old Smokey Broad? Is that a setting you can find somewhere? This is the greatest thing that's ever happened. Amazing. She was sick and did greatest thing that's ever happened. This is amazing. She was sick and did it two days before her death. Nobody's going to know if it's her or not. It's been five years since she's been recorded and I have the wording for that recording. Honestly, you could even just have a movie or music on in the background to help distract.

You know, she's telling you how to be a, a scammer, a full of shit scammer. I can set you up with some background noise and your. You're. You're. This is great, this is like, this that'll distract from the exact, they won't be able to. From that it's not exactly her voice.

Yeah. She said she always had one on and loud. I would be cautious that the music, I would be cautious that the music, I would be cautious that it's music, and then in parentheses, she loved Gaga, or Lady Gaga, or a movie from before her death, if you do that, so it doesn't raise a red flag.

Yeah, don't put a movie that just came out. Don't put any new releases, no Wicked. Oh my God, nothing from past 2016, 2016 now that'll be a real red flag Super big red flag pressures or Shanghai night some shit. That's yeah evergreen go evergreen Put a Seinfeld rerun on in the background or something She she's like just listen. It can't be too Like just listen, it can't be too new. Then she gives examples. I love this.

She is helpful if she's going to do this. Don't have the tonight's news on. That's bad. Yeah. Keep that off. No like the football game from Monday night. None of that shit. Welcome to Super Bowl 59.

Yeah, that's going to be bad. She says put on like pretty woman, Mrs. Doubtfire, Wizard of Oz. That would be ideal. Her favorite. Yeah. Because that's always on. Then she says, now what do you think? Question mark.

Hold on. Think about it, please. Then she puts over. That gives time for pause. She has an arrow actually that says turn over. Think and then puts over. Gives time for pause. No, she has an arrow actually that says turn over. Think and then turn over. Things you'll need. She's got a supplies list, computer, paper,

envelope, stamps, address labels, cassette, old school, cheap ones, able to record voice, gloves underlined, and then it says must. And it says, and then a star, if you help. You know, you don't need gloves if you're not gonna help. Then don't bother says and then a star if you help you know you don't need gloves if you're not gonna help and don't buy those if you're not here make sure you wear gloves because you are not getting in trouble you're helping me when it's done yeah well we'll see what happens why I don't want you to end up in here next to me she just said make sure you are don't

be as bad at crime as I am please if you're gonna do it No, you're understand. I was rob. I wasn't robbing the bank. I was helping that person You know I wasn't I was just like they told me to hold this gun and pointed at that person I was like, oh, I'll hold it while you're doing while you're shoveling that money into a sack with a fucking dollar sign on it No problem dollar sign on it no problem. That is crazy. Yeah. When it's done which I need ASAP before December 7th sentencing the that's the sentencing the sooner the better. If there is an easy way and if possible I'd like copies of the tape but if it's too much on hand, one is just fine. Anything you buy, do it at a store, not in Waukesha, and with cash at like Walmart.

Self-checkout. That's me being extra cautious. Careful. Where they have a camera right in your fucking face. Showing your face. Not to mention, I'm just teaching you that I really thought about how to do criminal shit. Yeah.

This is the finish goal is to get finished letters and tape mailed to Judge Darrow if there's more, if there's more to others too, if not just a basic letter to others and then 11 people total with judge she puts. And that is attorney Donna Kutchler attorney Pablo Galviz Those are her attorneys Waukesha DA's office TMJ news for the sorus jaw and all of Wisconsin CBS News 58 ABC News 12

58, ABC News 12, Wisconsin Attorney General Josh something, I can't see, Court TV, Fox 6 News, Tony Evers I think, the governor. Then it says, for everyone and judge to whom it may concern, and then she wrote sample on it, like obviously don't use this, make your own. But something like that. Don't say who you are, just a concerned citizen. RE Jesse Kowerski-Kowerski-Kowerski-Vyzien trial, in parentheses, that's what you do. And this is what you say in this letter, by the way. I wrote it out for you. Jesus, here's the script.

This is amazing. I have watched this trial from the beginning, and I've never met this girl. And just so you know, I don't know her Jesus Christ this is like, uh, oh man This is somebody like writing a review for their own restaurant. I've been in here once a charming little place Never even noticed it before. I've heard the manager slash owners a great guy. Terry's wonderful The food just looks clean. I you know, all the servers, no open source. It's tremendous.

Never gotten diarrhea here ever. Nope. I never met this girl, Jessie Krasinski, but what I can tell you is this story is crazy. That we know, lady. Anybody who has a brain can tell you this girl didn't do it and what those jurors didn't hear or what the judge didn't allow makes no sense. You're talking about this girl's whole life because Lynn took her own, by the way, there's a lot of like spelling errors and grammar errors, like no apostrophe where it belongs

and in her other letters that are not like that and we'll talk about that too at the end of this. What the judge didn't allow this girl's whole life because Lynn took her old life, her own life. How is that murder? This was a total setup if I ever saw one by Waukesha County. Well well I spent three days in the park Whitehall Park. Why the detectives never took her to the park.

They yelled at her repeatedly about not understanding why she wouldn't tell them if she had evidence. So she does and they don't even take her. They don't even take her with them. Again, are you serious? I can't even fathom how a jury conducted or convicted her on what lies really that doesn't make sense. That doesn't make you a murder point being after digging around for three days, I found her evidence and sent the tape cassette plus papers to the judge in this case Darrow the bottles of Visine and a piece of gum have no no something so I can't read what that is no barring no baning no something so I didn't include but this girl is to be sentenced to life for a

crime that never happened that she didn't do. I enclosed a copy of letters for you, but what I want to know is what are you going to do about this? Then under that, Jessie writes with an asterisk next to it, burn, destroy all papers when done. Do not talk about on phone or visit. Make only one tape for Darrow, the judge, if you can copy the other pages for everyone and her too. Send letters and letter to, and then the full list again of these people,

wear gloves for all! Oh! Exclamation point. Make sure you... Make sure, this is a crime tutorial. Yeah, make sure you're just hoping. She said, this is my fight and chance to stir the pot. Will you help me?

I will never say a word and I will give you a chunk of my money if when I get out. Because it's a big favor and if not, I understand really. OK, and she says, this is what you want to say on the tape recording. Here we go. This is this is this is an eraspeist old smoke a voice Jessie I am sorry to leave you like this and I am Assuming you'll be the one to find me after all you've done for me all the times you saved my life I know if it wasn't for you. I would have been dead months ago and you have been my rock

You're stronger than anyone I know She's about to say you're also very pretty your breasts are supple and perky You're the smartest person I've ever met. This is like When you lift your arms, you have no bingo wings. It's none of that at all My god, I wish I had an ass like yours She said I know if it wasn't for you, I would have been dead months ago. You've been my rock. You're stronger than anyone I know and now I need you to take care of your mom for I

know your dad, your dad, all you could keep me alive as long as you could. I no longer recognize myself. I'm sick of being sick, complaining about being sick, and just sick of it all. I want to be free from the pain, and this is my time. I love you and your mom very much, take care of each other. I'm following the yellow brick road to see my dad.

See, but it was Rivas reference in there. Jesse, stop listening to this tape and put it somewhere safe and hidden. Like she's talking to Jesse, because she's in the room. Jesse, put this away. There's no place like home. Then she says, and she clicked her heels together three times.

Then she says, Lynn Hernan, being of sound mind and body, want to state, I'm recording this statement today on Sunday, October 1st, 2018. I've been sick long enough, seen doctors to know that I will never be the same and I no longer want to live my life as it is. I've done things I cannot take back.

I took a life that I had no right to do. They have her confessing to murdering her mother in this. This is so fucked up. Framing a dead person for murder. Wow. Two murders, one of her own too. Her self and her mom. I'm choosing on my own free will and on my own time frame to take my own life. I've tried more options than most from purchasing a gun, overuse of medications to poisons.

I assumed poisons would be the fastest and easiest. Little did I know it would be just as hard. Vizin is the one I stumbled across prior and have tried without success but ended up using it for almost three months. Or whatever she should just put or whatever Jesse says I did pretty much. The way it makes me feel is something indescribable. My body is not it sounds like you're on mushrooms. No, this is Vizin. If that were true, kids would be taking so much Vizin. They'd be sucking on it, bottles. There's like six dollars.

The marijuana market would be bottomed out. Vizin's so cheap. All the drugs. No more psychedelics. This would be amazing. My body is numb. I feel no pain from my constant pain, and it makes me tired where I kind of sleep.

I haven't experienced in years. I became quite fond of it and it was a new medication to me. It's not a medication. I enjoy my medications and now Vizin is one of them. At first I was drinking a bottle almost daily mixed with my water or vodka. Then I increased over time, was purchasing Vizin on my own for a month until I could no longer drive or shop.

I did stock up on it and had my caretaker, Jessie. She did not know what I was doing until recently. Jessie is the one person who knows everything I have went through in and out except my mother's death. Seen all the good and bad. She's been there when I fell in the middle of the night shit on myself or Unbelievable dude, this is ridiculous admit to murder admit to suicide and then strip her of dignity Oh my god or puked and came to oh my god

Or puked and came to oh my god or puked and came to clean and came to clean it up she has caught me in the act of trying to take my own life she's seen me at my worst and there regardless I owe her everything for all she's done her mother's my best friend and jesse is my only family left and mean more to me than I know. I did the unthinkable to Jessie and it ruined her for months. I lied to her and I made her lie to everyone in the process and it destroyed her. She knew I was suicidal but I told her I was sick and dying from colon cancer. I didn't want to see people or talk to them so I had Jesse lie to everyone and

didn't want anyone to know. The truth was I wasn't sick with colon cancer or dying. One afternoon, Jesse came to check on me as her usual and caught me with unexpectedly while I had a gun to my head. She screamed at me crying that when I came clean with her about not having cancer and lying I lied to her because she was concerned about being me me being suicidal and saying I was sick was easier to do I never Something hurt. I've never seen her so hurt so lied. So I lied to everyone She knew I didn't know what to do now She told me I was either going to get help and go to the hospital or she was calling the cops.

I let her take me to Aurora Waukesha Hospital the next morning where they admitted me and I stayed for weeks. I wanted to get better for her, but the deep down decision was made long ago and I cannot go on anymore. My mom's death haunts me daily, you know, because I killed her and all. I tried to take my life twice while in the hospital and had a camera put in my room. After arriving home from the hospital, Jesse stayed the weekend and per my discharge, I was to get home care that week.

I had planned in different ideas, but Jesse didn't let me be alone. Ending the weekend came and and went and now it's today Sunday morning took my remaining Visine bottles and put them into my last water bottles I have stashed Visine for months and been emptying it over time into water bottles and now have three bottles full with only Visine Over 30 bottles that takes 30 bottles of Visine in case you're wondering. And we'll start, because I think it's a half ounce in there.

Yeah, it's nothing. It's a little drop. It's like 0.8 milliliters. Because you use a drop, two drops at a time. And we'll start drinking those tomorrow along with my medications. I'm hoping by drinking an extreme amount this will work as planned. I'm choosing this on my own terms and how I see fit. No one played any part in this decision or acted on it.

I chose to drink Vizin and end my life. Look into my mom's death to better understand. I came into this world fighting like hell and lived a good life and I'm going out of the world on my own terms and we'll see my dad again I would like it known that Jesse and Jenny are in charge of my Final wishes as they know where the paperwork is and what to do. I want to make sure it is known and Then there's she's got an arrow pointing up and an asterisk saying just end it Like it was still recording or like she screwed up like there's more, like there's more, but that's all we need. So she said just like end it mid sentence, like something happened to the tape or she

you know fell over. But thank God because we got everything. We got everything. So then she goes on to give instructions of then find a notary company that will allow sample or void with wording in the background look around you will find Look around you will find once you do copy and paste and change paper and printer and it's the thing of how to make it look how to make a dot forge a fucking document sure and She then goes on to have a whole

Letter here and then she says there's a lot of misspellings and grammar errors, it's okay for it to be like that. Because she has a letter that she wrote too, saying that, here it is, okay. Lynn Hernan, loving daughter of Bob and Lorraine Hernan, like she wrote her own fucking, her own thing here, her own obituary, yeah. And she goes on to that. She wrote the obituary

She said make that then she says This is a Lynn writing this letter. I need to get something off my shoulders. The guilt has been weighing heavy on me on Saturday, November 30th 2013 my mom Lorraine Marie Whatever that L Herndon passed away just shy of her 86th birthday Whatever that L Herndon passed away just shy of her 86th birthday ate st Mary's Hospital in Madison, Wisconsin prior to her desk death her health was declining with her memory. It was no secret. We had a very toxic relationship we had been through thick and thin and everything in between. She forgot everything but found out that I had been quote helping myself to her money and

changed her will to cut me out and she was leaving everything to her best friend and neighbor Bonnie. I took matters into my own hands something her oh spiking her tea with vizene bottles as seen on TV. I understand I had no right and it haunts me possibly more than I realize as I'm starting to worry I stopped after a night of Partying too hard and I told Kevin I've paid secretly for his silence ever since I'm too afraid of spending my life in prison I will never forget how bad it was. I cannot will not no matter what ever go back. I'm so so sorry Mom forgive me sign Lynn Herndon. Now, look at how she writes this letter.

She changed her handwriting fucking completely. That's fucked up. Look at that, dude. She is, look at that. That's another, look, there's another one of her handwriting. That's psychotic. Dude, that shit is like the inside of a. Completely different people.

Yeah, that's like the inside of a psychopaths mind that it's Yeah, the whole thing scribbles and side notes and corrections Jesus fuck. Oh my god then she said that um She like her will here kind of what she said before write this out You know, I helped care for my mom. That was my downfall, blah, blah, blah. Then she goes into, there are no issues later on, this is her final wishes, Jenny, I helped when Jessie was in prison and out of work, I owed her from years ago and she helped me, it was the least I could do. I helped her on and off, rent, bills, she was given a charge, etc. on 311-215-5000 direct

from lockbox. So, Jesse money and property while in prison because I know first hand and so much after I helped with debts, rebuilt a lot. She also helped me and it went both ways. And then says, both ways was a big one, long story. There's so much I will be doing for both Jenny and Jesse before I check out. This is fucking amazing. Jim, that's her friend, was given and also loan money when he lost his grandma's house to foreclosure.

He had no job, no place to live, so I helped, but it was never enough. Linda drank more away. I loaned him money for bail, fines. He got me to that courthouse when I was afraid to step foot in the door But he needed I helped motels hotels bills down payment on his house money toward a pool useless motherfucker useless shit He to date hasn't made a dent in paying back it pisses me off and he knows it and he's well over 25,000 that he got in total

To date and then dates with the times and you know withdrawals and all that. Keith, I gave money when he needed but that was between us and was from cash so it didn't go through the bank. Kevin, my mistake of all mistakes, who got the most of all, who got most all to keep him quiet. Quite though. He took everything and even more.

The best part was his death but it was too late by then. He got my lockbox stash of cash, stash of cash at the house, withdrawals of thousands at a time from the bank, even more cash, all the checks written as to cover Jesse, long story in parentheses. He got, all the checks written to cover were written to Jesse. So Jesse didn't steal the money.

It was this guy scamming, but he gave it to her. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. He got jewelry. I gave all I had. I will never let anyone take years from me or send me back to that hell hole. So did what I had to over $200,000. The money is running dry as of today, Thursday, February 1st, 2018. My money is depleted under $25,000 in all accounts. It will be gone like before the year is over. I will spend it and give it away, including my credit cards. I don't want a dime left for creditors, medical, state to take. I'm going to meet with me.

I'm going to meet with Mr. Diaz at BMO Bank today on loan and to notarize documents. I will be making changes for final wishes due to my short planned future. I'm changing my living will to say Jessie and Jenny and my last will and testament to Jenny from Anthony and Jessie. Jenny will give Jessie money. I don't want her probation agent to get it for restitution

for her last crime. But don't worry, I'm gonna die with nothing, so it's fine. I'll die with nothing, but I wanna make sure that she doesn't get it taken. I want those two Jenny and Jesse to get everything because they're around the most and they need it versus Kareen and Anthony they come from a different world. I will always love them and they are my family but we aren't as close as we used to be. Things change, people change, that's life. So she's singing multiple songs there thank you for being a friend people change she's got that shit Tupac changes and Frank Sinatra that's

life she got them all mixed up in there I'm mad at you so she signed oh yeah I'm mad at you she's got her last will and testament here she's got her all of her fucking shit going on. Um, okay she Gives away her stuff here, too Gets two antique pictures in hallway for Diana Lang mom's great grandma Keith Lang gets Richland place center picture glass Jim her friend Jim there in China cabinet crazy eight ball and ashtray your grandma's Champagne glass Yeah, you owe me tons Crazy eight ball fucking not giving away everything although Jim gets my uno game. Oh, yeah

It's what it is Corinne Pots a hat pin glass shot glasses and any clothes or shoes you want. Anything that you want. Have my old shoes. They have shit on them, but that's okay. Anthony Potts, I originally said Jesse got the Wizard of Oz memorabilia, but it was you who got most of it. So anyway, you have first pick anything of my dad's you'd like. Steven Potts, Bubbela, I thought maybe you'd like the old school pinball game.

And it goes on from there. Jesse, Marilyn posters, you loved them. Mom's charm bracelet. Jesse's mom gets 2016 Jeep. Not bad. A purse, sequin reel, swan ashtrays, stork ashtrays, birdcage looking lamp, gold cross with ashes. That will always be, that way we'll always be swimming together.

Okay, now, this letter comes out. Her attorneys said, we're done, fuck you. They said we didn't take any letter anywhere and you're sending this out. Basically, you're accusing us of a crime. We're not your attorney anymore. Fuck you. So they want to withdraw due to that.

So prosecutors filed an objection to the motions to withdraw. But they said in evaluating both motions to withdraw, the state feels it's necessary to focus on the apparent driving force behind these motions to withdraw and says, this was one of my attorney's ideas referenced in the letter. However, the state will argue that these materials were authored by Jesse for purposes of the attorneys to be able to continue representing her. It's important to note that Jesse and numerous recorded phone calls has continually denied writing those materials and denied having any idea what they are or who authored them.

Jesse denies she wrote any of this. Amazing. Nobody else on earth knew any of this. Ah, amazing. Nobody else on earth knew any of those details and all those details. It's crazy. Nobody knows this person. It's fucking crazy. And also we'll find out that she definitely did write it too. The state also argues that taking both attorneys

off the case would deprive her of legal representation at a key point in the case and would delay sentencing several months. Sure. Now, Jessie says that the county is setting her up with that letter. Oh really? And she wrote a 26 page letter to the judge explaining that, that we will not read because 26 pages.

We've read enough. Jesus. 26 pages. Okay, that was 37 pages she sent to her friend. She has got a lot to say. Not a lot to do in jail. So she expressed frustration at a motion hearing with her two attorneys for not being in contact with her in the week leading up to her sentencing.

She made a list of 16 claims and stated she believes she was set up by the county with those letters and will be requesting a mistrial. Okay. Yeah, she wrote in this, "'I figure it's as good a time as any to put out all the issues and there are A lot she wrote the defense was not allowed to bring up Lynn's drinking into Time in prison or her mom's death She claimed that Lynn had written that she spiked her own mother's drink with eye drops and was haunted by what she did She also alleges that the defense was not allowed to question Detective Aaron Hope, who allegedly looked into Hernan's mother's

death. According to Jesse, he never followed up on retrieving additional medical records. This was an extremely detrimental to my defense. And again, it was, it isn't a small charge. We're talking about a charge that causes a life sentence. So she went on to claim all this shit. They claim that she claims that John Fryett, a cousin of Lynn's, had involvement with the Waukesha County Detectives and the Medical Examiner's Office and was told he owes them a favor for framing her.

According to this letter, Fryett had looked her up in Wisconsin Circuit Court access and said it was odd that Lynn's heir had a record saying it doesn't pass the smell test. She wrote that Fryett didn't know Lynn or have a relationship with her but knew she was a drunk. Jesse also wrote that she knew the medical examiner and knew that he and the medical examiner were on the same team as the detectives and because of

this Jesse claimed she should have a change of venue although it's unknown where she heard the alleged comments. She also accused the judge herself of bias, saying the deputy jail administrator was lying and that she didn't have proper access to security for her documents and evidence. She said, quote, I was not happy with my trial or defense. She wasn't happy with losing, is what she wasn't happy with.

I mean, you're not happy that you're in prison. That's the thing. Yeah. With all this happening, I strongly believe this county is setting me up. This seems like a big conspiracy. I no longer trust anyone. Have you guys heard of making a murderer? That's what they did to me. In Wisconsin. Same thing. Same place. Then the night before her sentencing, she calls the media up and does a thing. Oh, what? Night before her sentencing. Uh huh. She said, quote, nobody got to know the Lynn I knew the Lynn that I was there for and worked for daily. The

Lynn that was my family and that I loved and cared for. I could no longer wait. It's time to speak. I cannot be silent. Lynn took her own life because she was troubled by what she did to her mom. Now she's going to publicly besmirch her. She said that in her own letter that again were in court. The letter that she wrote by the way that you wrote. Both of my attorneys are still listed on record so legally I cannot speak to any other attorney nor will they speak to me. I sit in limbo. I need to know my legal rights. Well next day a sentencing she's going to find out a lot. Find out all your rights. Oh yeah. Jim Kelleher says, Jesse poisoned Lynn like she was a rodent. The devil awaits you.

I hope you rot in hell. Lynn Hernan is an angel in heaven. May you rest in peace, Lynn. You're dearly missed and always will be. I'm so very sorry. So they then show, by the way, the videotape recorded in jail days before the letter was turned over to the authorities.

This shows her putting a large bunch of papers into an envelope and leaving it on the bed of another inmate who later takes it somewhere else because it's a person that takes it places. So the judge says to her, this is your opportunity to address the court. Anything you'd like to say. She talks for two hours or an hour 45 or some crazy shit. I mean she. Holy shit. Never shut the fuck up. She's, I'm innocent.

I was her best friend. We'll give a short snip here. Quote, let's be very clear here. There was no murder. Okay. I did not commit murder. I did not poison Lynn. Give her pills or anything else.

It is a lot to be accused and convicted of murder when I didn't do it." And she starts crying of course. You're holding me responsible for what she did. Those are her decisions, her choices, her actions and no one else's, not even mine. Then she says, I will not stop fighting. And she says she does not have faith in the justice system, but does have a faith in God She says as God as my witness this case is far from over The judge goes well, I'm about to bang the gavel. So I'm gonna end it right now

God's gonna watch us and this fucking case. Yeah, the judge said I believe Lynn's death was premeditated The judge said it tetrahydrosaline was not something we expected to find, and I do believe it was something you, Ms. Kershewski, Kershewski, whatever the fuck your name is, banked on no one testing for. I have to ask out loud, it's an inner rhetorical question, but were you poisoning Lynn Hernan all along following your release from prison? Jesse says no, she shouts no.

The judge says, I'm not asking for an answer. I don't need you to talk. This is my time. That's hilarious. She's going to tell her kid that later on when she's sitting with a glass of wine. This is mom's time now. No.

So do not interrupt me. You took away future memories, birthdays, luncheons, phone calls. I think you thought you were a very good thief and can get away with even more." She said, I'm sure everyone has some redeeming qualities, including you, but she also let her opinion be known. She said, I think you're completely diabolical. You have evil in your heart.

You, ma'am, may fuck off. Life in prison on the homicide charge with parole though, okay, and 10 years for the two theft charges the Soonest she could be paroled would be after 40 years when she'd be about 80 years old. Oh Shit. Yeah, she is fucked and the judge says I think 30 years is a significant amount of time, but my target is really for you, the judge said. She said, making you eligible for parole close to 80, older than what the victim would be today.

And also, by the way, restitution is set at $380,000. Who's she paying that to? With an additional 16,000 owed to cover the cost of state witnesses in the trial keep on keeping on and that is Pee walkie, Wisconsin, holy shit Wow, that is fucking bonkers. Holy shit. So that's one of the craziest stories She's verbose as fuck. So she's gonna write a book. Oh, I'm sort she keeps talking There's so much of her if you watch the trial she's talks. I can, so she's gonna write a book of some sort. She keeps talking, there's so much of her. If you watch the trial, she talks, I can't believe she didn't testify.

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