Small Town Murder - #595 - More Than A Family Feud - Quincy, Illinois

Episode Date: May 15, 2025

This week, in Quincy, Illinois, when a "perfect couple" begin divorce proceedings, things are anything but perfect. They go back & forth with accusations & demands. This continues, until one of them is found, brutally murdered, in their own home. Could an off the cuff remark, on the gameshow "Family Feud" be a key to the whole thing, or is there more of a mystery? As the evidence piles up, with incriminating internet searches, the real killer comes in to focus!Along the way, we find out that you can't escape Bret Michaels, no matter where you go, that when Steve Harvey asks you a question, keep your mouth shut, and that not everyone keeps stacks of plastic grocery store bags in their house!!New episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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That said, disclaimer time. It's a comedy show first of all and foremost. It is a comedy show. We're comedians. Jokes are going to be made. People are going to die. That's just the way it is. But there is a nice way to do that.

People go, how do you mix murder and comedy? Very easy as a matter of fact. Very easy. All you do is you don't and comedy? Very easy as a matter of fact. Very easy. All you do is you don't make fun of the victims or the victims' families. Why is that, James? Because we're assholes. Yes. But we're not scumbags.

There you have it. It works. There's plenty of comedy around, I think I can get away with murder. That's a dumb idea. No, but you can't. It's a really dumb idea. So there's plenty to make fun of there. People don't cover their tracks very well usually. That's fun too. So that's all a good time. If you think though that true crime and comedy

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Arms to the sky. Let's all clear the lungs. What do you say here? Arms to the sky. Let's all shout. Shut up and give me murder. Let's do this everybody. Okay. Let's go on a trip shall we? We are going to Illinois this week, much like we will be going to Illinois soon for the live show. This is in Quincy, Illinois. This is in far western Illinois, on the Mississippi over there. Yeah, kind of central and western over there. On the river, it's about two hours and 15 minutes

to St. Louis, about an hour and 50 to Springfield, Illinois, if you wanna go in there, and it's about four hours and 40 minutes to our last Illinois episode, Oak Park, Illinois Which is right outside Chicago where we'll be May the 17th at the Riviera That episode was dreaming of murder. Remember that person. I dreamt of this murder and they're like, oh hands behind your back Yeah, that's nice. Yeah, this is an Adams County Area code two one seven and the nickname here no motto, but they do have a nickname,

they call this Gem City. Yeah. Gem City, baby. I don't know. It's truly outrageous. It's totally outrageous. Gem City, that's absolutely with a G. So a little bit of history here. After 1800, it was called the Bluffs.

That was the name of the was called the Bluffs. That was the name of the town, the Bluffs. In 1825, they renamed their town Quincy and became the seat of Adams County. And both of these, by the way, both the county and the town were named after, at that time, newly elected President John Quincy Adams. There you go. So you got Quincy and the name of the county.

Oh, newly elected. They're fucking naming just minton places. Oh yeah. That's it, they loved it. They were real happy with his election apparently. I was looking at landslides. He got fucking trounced in an election, like one of the worst in the history of the country.

Yeah, look back, there's a lot of... He got like one elector. Yeah, look back, there's a lot of... He got like one elector. Yeah, he did like a Mondale. It was really bad. Interesting. So there's been some disasters here, as always in the Midwest. Sure.

18, or 1945, in April, a tornado ripped through the business district of Quincy, and screwed up everything, damaged the courthouse. It was also so severe that it blew the roof off the courthouse, damaging it beyond repair. Now it has no top at all. The whole thing came off, the whole lid. In 1976, three improvised explosive devices were detonated at Colt Industries, Inc. Quincy Compressor Division Plant, a team of specialists from Fort Leonard Wood in the area in support of the Secret Service.

During the there was a visit by at that point, Bob Dole was running for president. I know he ran a 96 to 20 years later, but he was running in 76 also. So he the Secret Service was there because he was running in 76 also. So the secret service was there because he was doing a visit there, so they helped too. A fourth unexploded IED was discovered by Quincy firefighters during a search of the plant. What the fuck? Yeah, that is fucked up.

During the examination of the device, it detonated. Oh my god. Killing the team supervisor, Sergeant Major Kenneth Kenneth Foster senior and seriously injuring the Illinois State arson inspector as well holy shit Jesus Christ then there's a find out who placed it. We don't know no idea Blew up all the evidence During the Mississippi River flood of 1993. Obviously, this place was hurting here. Then in June of 2008, another flood submerged much of the riverfront and low-lying regions.

So, not great. This is not a good place to be. But it's been twice recognized as a quote, all America city, and as a participant in the Tree USA program. In fall of 2010, Forbes Magazine listed Quincy as eighth in the best small city to raise a family category. Or lose a child.

Just away from the river. That's, yeah. Long as you're not river-front. This is Illinois's Joplin, Jesus. This is wild. So let's get some reviews of this town, because we don't know what the hell's going on here. We've never been here.

Most of you out there probably never been there also. So let's find out what we're talking about. Reviews, here's five stars. There's some fun reviews here too, by the way. My husband and I moved to Quincy in 2005. Quincy has been a great place to raise our children, find employment, receive top-notch medical care, and community for all, with an exclamation point.

You know, live, raise your children, work, go to the doctor. Do everyday things. Eat, things like that. Five stars, I think that it is a very friendly place to live. I've grown up here and there hasn't been anything awful here. Most people get along, most people get along just all around a good place to live. Sorry, that has no punctuation in it So I figure out the end of the sentences so for that attempted bombing and

Dole assassination attempt, I don't think that that was nothing they were alive for that probably seems like three stars Small town in the middle of nowhere, and they use the less popular version of nowhere, N.O. Dashware. You don't see that very often. Not a lot to do besides bowling, driving around and maybe catching a movie. There are numerous bars and even a few night clubs. Crime rate is increasing in the good parts of town. Rent is high compared to some bigger cities.

We'll be the judge of that. We'll give you stats later. Here's one star. Okay, this is great. As corrupt as it gets. There you go. There we go. The haves rule over the have nots.

People are either nauseatingly conservative or disgustingly liberal with no in between. The mall is on its last breath. All of that in the mall we're going to talk about. The mall has like a JCPenney barely hanging on, things remembered and like a bunch of cell phone. And it's got a cell phone case kiosks. That's all it is. And then the last line, and then the last line, the mayor is a midget And I found a picture of him he looks pretty normal to me, I don't know right Well chubby fat Midwestern guy it's like Bob from the steakhouse, don't me

Midget that's weird. Okay Next up one star the people in Quincy are dishonest crooked and deceitful not the government now the people themselves those all mean the same thing yeah all good liars I would never recommend setting foot near it not even in it near it not near yeah to avoid interacting with the worst human beings on the planet worst on the planet okay not that interesting and then finally one star. This place is unkind. I was collateral in a meth deal when I was three. Collateral? What? You hang on to this for a minute. I'll get you your money. I swear. That's what that is. I don't have any money, but take my baby. I'm judging my town by my parents behavior. Well that someone else was willing

to take that I guess that's the transactional nature of how things work here. Someone else was willing to- What about your parents were willing to let you be held for a minute until they went and got the cash for their meth. If I'm a meth dealer I don't want to watch somebody's toddler. That sounds awful. Fuck out of here and bring me money. Give me your car keys. That's what I'm saying'm saying most the population here, that's right Most the population here don't take care of homes or have jobs There are many hiring signs odd fashion choices with hardly any attractions odd fashion people don't dress well here either Do not recommend. Well, yeah, you're gonna be held collateral

in a meth deal, sure. Population, 39,687 brokered meth children live here apparently. Lot more women than men, 52% women. So that's way over the national average. I don't know what that means or whatever, but median age here is 40, it's usually about 38, so that's pretty close

little less little under the national average as far as married goes and things like that more people are single with children then you know that sort of thing it basically doesn't all the stats don't say this is a real wealthy you know upscale area it says it's you know kind of a middle class area got some lower middle class parts got some poor people It's that kind of place Race in this town 89 percent white six point one percent black nine point nine percent Asian one point six percent Hispanic So there's that and then religion here though. They are religious as shit here 5050s the norm here at 78 percent which is one of the highest we've ever gotten outside of Utah

that's that's crazy and the highest of all of them are other Christian faith. Oh I don't even know what I don't even know that's crazy because they have Lutheran, Methodist, Pentecostal, Presbyterian they have all these listed so what other one is there? I don't even know what it is but it's something they're there. It's dominant. It's dominant unemployment rate here is a little lower it is, but it's something. They're there. It's dominant. It's dominant. Unemployment rate here is a little lower than the national average.

It's under 5% here. So saying everybody doesn't have jobs isn't really true. You seem to be employed. Median household income here is low though. $50,857 a year. They're working, just making nothing. Not making a lot. The average is about 69,000.

So that's not good. Cost of living, 100 is regular average. Here it is 77000, so that's not good. Cost of living, $100,000 is regular average. Here it is $77,000. And the low one is housing. Median home cost here, $144,300. Okay. Very low. So if we've convinced you, dammit, that you've got an extra three-year-old

and a hankering for some meth, we have for you the Quincy Illinois Real Estate Report. The average two bedroom rental here goes for $830. So that's, that's low. That's very affordable. That's way more than $400 less than the average. Here's a three-bedroom one bath 792 square foot house How does that even I don't know how you fit three bedrooms into 792 square feet

800 square feet there is one picture of this house and it's from the exterior and it appears to be crumbling From the from the pictures as the seconds tick by things will fall off of it It looks like there's plywood on the windows or window holes as I'm going to call them in this case, because windows denote glass. Not sure if there's any glass. It's built in 1872. Old. The listing says some TLC could make this a great home or rental. Also a bulldozer would help. great home or rental. Also a bulldozer would help. It says metal siding as is. It is $10,000 for this house. $10,000. That's a recent $5,000 price cut. Holy shit, that's 33% off. That's

amazing. So sale house everybody. Here's a tworoom two-bath 984 square foot house not awful from the outside looks like a cute little house has a porch and everything it's fine inside Whole other story I could do you know that you know the special smell that old people smoking has not regular people smoking Elderly people that's what I could smell in here. It's from the 70s and it's all it's not good $75,000 for that though. Everything's so affordable. It's affordable. Here's a five-bedroom four bath 4953 square foot place Huge Quincy on three acres to just a beautiful thing It's they could say this stunning custom-built ranch offers nearly thing it's they could say this stunning custom-built ranch offers nearly five thousand square feet of finished living space and is the perfect blend of style

space and functionality it's a nice house nice house inside you know up to date and all that 650 grand for 5,000 square feet and three acres three acres not bad not bad at all things to do here, the Quincy Freedom Fest. That takes place on the 4th of July right there. It's at the park on the riverfront, so hoping that it doesn't rain too hard. As long as it don't swell. That's right. They have boots, they have bands and all sorts of shit here. Also features a car and bike show. Bike bike show and a reading of the Declaration of Independence. Why not? What the hell? And then you end the evening. That'll the kids love that. They love hearing things with hear ye in them and

shit like that. We the people. Oh Christ. They love hearing antiquated English. That's their favorite. In order to form a what? A what now? So this is, then they also have new this year, a showcase of anything with V8, muscle cars from all eras it says. Latin dance performers and teachers. Okay, also they are going to have salsa teachers come in and give you a preview of some nightclub That's gonna open with salsa dancers Nancy Calloway's nightclub, okay

a taekwondo performance by the Dojo Jesus Christ condo. I wouldn't want to see that the one up the street for me The the guy running it and his father got busted for molesting kids. I Was like yes, gee you open and say, bring your kids here. I don't trust it immediately. Um, so we got that. If it doesn't have Dietrich Bader dressed up in American flag pants, I don't want to see it. No, no.

Also, performances from Motley Crue and Poison tribute bands. Of course, they're not getting them. And then another band called Ghost of Judas. Okay and then there is... Priest covers probably. Maybe yeah that seems like they probably like to do. Makes sense. Then there is the Gem City or Gem City summer concert series. Here we go. That's also in July and it is put together with somebody, a guy who owns a sports bar and they said, he said not only are we looking forward to the shows but we put this together so that people from outside the

area can come down to experience what the Quincy area has to offer. Come for the weekend and catch some great shows, eat at great restaurants in the area, and enjoy Quincy. Come to a 5,000 people tat way. How many is it? Five, 38,000. All right. Yeah. Come and stay for the weekend.

Stay for the weekend. It's hot shit. July 18th, they'll have Gavin Adcock there. Jesus. I don't know who that is. Looked like he was a country guy. Yeah, he had a hat. And then July 19th. This is amazing

You know who's gonna be there? Who's that Brett Michaels? It could have just was just gonna say because he's Brett Michaels bald ass is not coming to this day Yes, yes, that's why when you said that I was like bite your tongue bite your tongue Yeah, they got they got all Michaels Bob Michaels Two weeks after literally two weeks after the Tribute band will be there. Do you like these songs? He'll be here.

He'll be here, you know. He'll sing every rose has its thorn. He's gonna do these much better. Well, about the same, probably. Let's be honest here. Probably, yeah. With the fucking extensions. Let's be realistic here.

That's my favorite revelation from Rock-A-Love is that he fucking wears extensions because rock stars can't be bald. Yeah, yeah. He goes, I'll just, he tried to Hulk Hogan and I'll just put a fucking bandana on. And he seems to sew shit in there. Oh man.

So crime rate in this town, what we are interested in, property crime is about 20% higher than the national average. Which, I don't know what's going on here. It's, what are you, well, math deals. It's the happens when you don't pay for your baby. That's true. And then violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and of course assault.

The Mount Rushmore of crime is just slightly above average, but pretty close. But still, I mean, average is the whole country with big cities and all that, so this makes no sense. That said, let's talk about some murder, shall we? Here we go. Let's do this. Okay, let's open up here talking about a young lady, Rebecca Bernadette Postel.

Hell yeah. Becky, she goes by. I would too. Oh, Becky. That's a very 80s name too, Becky. Becky Bernadette. How many girls did you go to elementary school with named Becky?

Oh my God. There's always like four girls in class named Becky, three named Lisa, four named Michelle, and then it'd be like, you know. There's a reason it's at the beginning of Sir Mix-A-Lot's song. It's a very popular fucking name. Very especially for white ladies, yeah.

So she is born in Quincy. Becky's a Quincy girl, born and raised, real smart, real like kinda socially smart and academically smart young lady she is here. Her parents are Bill and Bernadette. So she's got her mom's name as a middle name. She's got one sibling, a sister named Sarah. And she went to Payson Seymour Elementary School,

then went to Quincy Notre Dame High School, which sounds like a Catholic school, doesn't it? She's very Catholic, the family's very Catholic, by the way, yeah, the whole family. That would make sense. She was named valedictorian. Best one. Best one at the private school.

So you know she's pretty smart, and also, but she's not a nerd either. She's real socially good too. People like her. She has a great personality, so she's got a lot going for her. Valedictorian with a good personality and she's really pretty too.

So she's got like, I mean damn, blonde hair. Yeah, I mean doing great. Blonde and smart. That's good shit for her. So nice place to be in what year, 88? Well, if I'm in 98 would be when she graduated, 99, something like that. It's a pretty Nice place to be in what year, 88? Well, 98 would be when she graduated, 99, something like that. That's a pretty good place to be in that year.

It's not bad, yeah, it's pretty damn good. So then she graduated, come loud, we'll skip the jokes, from Quincy University with a bachelor's degree in biological science and a minor in chemistry. God damn. So she's getting good grades. And she's not just taking easy classes

or trying to graduate easy. This is. I'm a biologist. That's hard. She also meets a young man, not going to be romantically involved with him at the moment, but meets a young man and becomes friends with him while she's in college, a guy named Timothy Wayne

Bliefnick, B-L-I-E-F-N-I-C-K. Sometimes you just wish you could take your wife's name. Jesus, belief, well you can, no one rules against it, but Bleefnick is. Common. You're just looking for anybody, and my last name's Petro Gallo, so trust me. It's rough, but Bleefnick is weird.

That's a tough one. He's born in 1983, so he's a little bit younger than her, about a year and a half younger than her, but not too much. Now Tim, through this time of college and around college and after college, he has a couple of minor brushes with the law here. In 2002, in August, he is arrested for operating

an uninsured motor vehicle and failure to reduce speed properly or whatever. He didn't probably slow down through a construction zone and got pulled over to Neva insurance. So there you go. Sometimes this shit's expensive. That's what happens. Now later on, after they know each other pretty well here, in 2006 he's also arrested for a DUI.

Okay. At the time too. So, you know. In the Midwest you gotta be hammered. Yeah, in Illinois. Yeah, you really gotta be wrecked there. So he the Midwest you got to be yeah in Illinois Yeah, you really got to be wrecked there. So he probably hit something or some shit. So now Becky Gets her, you know cuz her college degree. She starts a career working for San Sanofi Aventis Which is a pharmaceutical sale firm where she's a pharmaceutical rep. So, you know, she's pretty

sale firm where she's a pharmaceutical rep. So you know she's pretty. Yeah. She rolls her little suitcase in there and you know all that shit. Here's a CPAP machine. All right, I'll take seven. You know the women who are pharmaceutical sales reps. They all look the same.

They're all blonde and pretty and thin and you know, well spoken and all that because they have to speak to doctors. So they have to be actually smart. They have to be able to speak. That's why she has all those degrees She has to be able to speak about the you know what they have and in an intelligent way not like I'm doing now so Unlike me so these thingies these thingies there So about two years after graduation Becky and Tim start dating so she's already started her career He started his career, and they start dating.

They get together and they're having a nice little time here. Now 2009, they get married. Oh. Oh yeah, it moved quickly too. Damn, they're 30 though. They're doing great, that's smart. That's not bad, 28. Well, they're smart, educated people.

They're not like us who got married when we were young because we... Because we knocked people out. Yeah, they're smart, educated people. You know, they're not like us who got married when we were young because we, you know. Because we'd knock people out. Yeah, yeah, this is different. It's a different story. Actually, mine came later, but that's fine. Yeah, you know, you got married because there was a problem.

There was something going on. There was something happening there. Somebody was in trouble. Yeah. So her sister, Sarah, Becky's sister Sarah was there and she said Becky's wedding was beautiful. She was so happy. She also said Tim was a responsible guy.

He had a great job. They had a house. She was over the moon. Two, you know, this is great young couple both doing very well in their careers, educated. I mean they could and they're also going to start a family a little later so they could raise some good kids and have a decent life here. These two and they have their first son's born in 2010, so they have a kid pretty quick. Pretty quick. Becky's friend said they were so cute. They were the first ones on the dance

floor, meaning her and Tim, not her and the baby. That would be weird. This is the first time. They were the life of the party. Not many couples couples say I'm ready to have a baby right away You know they were that couple they were just so excited to be parents and a lot of that is they're pushing 30, too They're not 21. Yeah, so you know that's when you're pushed 30 It's a little different than when you're 21 doctor might warn you you got you don't have a big window left That's the other thing we don't know what her Body or her you know the condition of her reproductive system, we have no idea,

or his either, we have no clue. So she quits her job as a pharmaceutical rep to be a stay at home mom. Really? Yeah, Tim's doing real well. He's got a very successful career in the recycling industry. He works for different recycling firms,

and later on he'll have his own too. And Tim said about this when they got married and everything seemed wonderful, he said, I thought this was it. You know, I'm gonna be 85 and sitting on a porch in a rocking chair with her talking about how good life was. So I mean, the table is set for these people to have just a great life.

Everything's prepared. And then sit around at 85 and wait to die and giggle about how great this is bad That's right have weird old people sex in the house get real dirty with it You know what I mean? That's supposed to be a nice thought what he just said, but it just made me real fucking sad Have a great life was Jesus man great like wasn't it great talking about your memories and yeah Shit, I guess if you had 55 years or so beforehand with it, maybe you wouldn't feel so bad.

Yeah, so they have a second son in 2012-ish, is when their second son is born. And things started to change a little bit after that, apparently. Everything wasn't so perfect, because through the first born and everything like that, everyone was like, wow, they through the first born and everything like that, everyone was like, wow, they were the perfect picture of a couple, of the perfect little family.

Two kids will do that. Second kid and also two young kids. Yeah, two and brand new? Dude, that's difficult. That's like my brother. That's his house. Does he have three now? No, he has two.

Same two. Golly. Same two, but they're two years apart or whatever. My brother that's that's his I did it that's his house now. No, he is to it's same to Same to but they're you know, two years apart or whatever. So they're that's insane to they're ripping the house apart and two little boys Especially it's like it's wild in there. So One gets a mile. It feels like a raise Yeah so The sister Sarah, this is Becky sister said, said, life with kids is challenging, and there was a distinct shift in their relationship

in the years after their second child was born. She wanted to have her own career again, and that became a point of contention. She got bored with the kids. You just stretched that fucking break out two more years. Yeah, that's the problem. And after that, I guess she wanted to, she was fine being a stay-at-home mom with the first one. Once the second one was born, she started getting antsy, I think, wanting to get out's the problem. And after that, I guess she wanted to once the she was fine being a stay at home mom with the first one. Once the second one was born,

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She's got double shifts now, she's working with two kids. Two, double the work. Two babies. Yeah, that ain't easy, man. You gotta fuckin', it's all hands on deck. That's the thing, when you have two little kids like that, it's not even a matter of, well, I was working, so you can do this.

It's like, it doesn't matter, the house is on fire. I don't care if you're working or not. Grab a hose, motherfucker, let's go. These kids are- There's shit all over the carpet, man. Can you at least clean that while I change these diapers? Yeah. Shit puke, Cheerios are everywhere.

Just the amount of Cheerios on the floor in this house is remarkable. Teddy Grahams are fucking flying, it's crazy in here. It's a lot of shit. So then she, but she's gonna do it. She doesn't care, she gets into nursing is what she wants to get into now. She's gonna switch careers, which is a,

I guess she already started out with the biology, chemistry background, so I guess it's not that far of a stretch. Not much translates from there to there, I imagine. No, it's. But some of it does, sure, but I bet knowledge is gonna be helpful. I bet you have to take some of the same prerequisites

to get her degree there and here, because I know biology and chemistry is the first things you have to take if you wanna be pre-med, so. Okay, and you gotta know what these fucking, you gotta know this body and know what these chemicals are gonna do. Know what this shit's gonna do, yeah.

So she went to the Blessing Rieman College of Nursing and Health Sciences, where she graduated summa cum laude and received the Faculty Outstanding Senior Award. She's amazing. She's an achiever. Every time she goes to school, god damn it. Every time she does anything, she is the top person doing it always.

That's just how she is. And it doesn't even- They give her information and she retains it. And it doesn't seem like she's like a crazy type A type either that like has to be number one. It just seems like she's just good at shit and does it. She just does it. It's not even like a mental illness. It's just like a, she's just smart and has that talent. This woman's now 30, 32 and she is absorbing information at a level I couldn't do when I was 16. When we were four when

you're supposed to learn languages and I guess. It's absorbing information re retaining it and then spitting it back out of her fucking mouth when asked that's amazing. Not bad. She gave birth to their third child another son another son yeah during spring break of her senior year and only missed one day of She gave birth to their third child, another son. Oh God. Another son. Yeah. During spring break of her senior year and only missed one day of school. Unbelievable.

She had a baby and missed one day of school. She's like, let me schedule my baby for spring break. There we go, pencil that in. I'd take the week off for the flu. That's what I'm saying. You know how efficient that is though, to be like, I'll just have the baby while I'm off for a week and then you know I should be back Wow

That's crazy she worked she ends up getting a job working for Quincy medical group in the gastro Intestinal surgery that's in that department before transitioning to blessing hospitals emergency room Which is Wow ER nurse. Oof, man, ER is a special kind of, that's a special kind of mental makeup you have to have to do that. Like any kind of doctor, you're gonna have to go,

see the insides of people and shit like that. It's rough, but not knowing what's gonna come through the door at any moment and just being ready for it, even if someone comes in with half a head and you gotta try to put it back together, that's just remarkable. You're a specialist, you see the inside of try to put it back together, that's remarkable. You're a specialist, you see the inside of this particular part all the time, that's fine.

That's fine. This is a dealer's choice of what inside you're about to see. Anything could happen, anything. That's crazy. It's a buffet of fuckin' malady, and so who knows what's gonna happen. Asshole, forearm, toes, heads, everything.

Something up the ass, somebody with a sprinkler key stuck in their forehead, like you it it's it could happen and They could be right back to back to back Who knows man, that's what I'm saying that's what the ER is how'd something get up your ass We know what I mean the sprinkler key up your ass It's amazing. So she is an RN, and she's also a certified trauma nurse specialist as well, a TNS, and a sexual assault nurse examiner as well, an SA.

Oh my god. So she's getting all these certifications. It's pretty impressive, man. So friends and family, though, say Tim wasn't thrilled with this. I'd be super proud of her, man. That's pretty cool. Why is he not thrilled? Wouldn't you be fucked? I'd be like anything that Sarah does.

The amount of acronyms you just spit out that this woman gets to say she is. That's amazing. You're supposed to be proud of your spouse for like success too. That's part of it. Especially that. Yeah. Especially all those things. Uh, but apparently he's not too thrilled with this. He doesn't like the career.

The hours are rough and you know, and he our nurse. You're gonna come home probably not in the best mood all the time of you know, decompressing and things. Becky's sister said quote, he was not contributing, he was not supportive. He chastised her about the house not being clean. He never said, can I help you clean the house?

It was always her job. We called her the single married mother because she was not getting much, if any, help from Tim. God damn, Tim. Jesus Christ. Well, he is working. Yeah, but. They're acting like he's not bringing home, like,

the lion's share of the money, too, though. So, I mean, he is working so there she's an RN with these I have these certifications on the end of it and he's just like but they're acting like he's sitting home watching fucking family Feud all day and price is right fucking drinking like corn whiskey or something. He's also out working He should come home and help because they're both working if they're both working full-time Yeah, everybody mother. That's crazy If they're both working full time. Yeah, a single married mother is fucked up. That's crazy.

If they're both working full time, it should be definitely a 50-50 affair with the kids, at least, and helping out with the kids. At least there, yeah. Yeah, so he said, the sister said, and that was the point where she truly believed the marriage was in danger of falling apart. So she received at the hospital the Daisy Award,

which recognizes the care and kindness nurses provide to their patients. So of course she's gonna win an award. Now Tim acknowledges that he wasn't real high on Becky getting back into a career and especially in nursing, but he said it wasn't for his own selfishness or anything like that. He said he was out wasn't for his own selfishness or anything like that.

He said he was out of concern for her well-being. Oh. Yeah. He said because of the stress piece of it. And you know, he was asked, does that mean that were you worried you're going to have to, you know, pick up more of the work with the kids? And he said, not at all. I've always been involved with the kids every day.

Oh. Which that not everybody says that's true. Now, Becky here, she's very busy, but she still is like volunteers. She volunteers for shit. She has three small kids, an ER nursing job, all those acronym certifications, and she does volunteer work as well. Where?

At the school. According to members of the St. Peter's Grade School Association, where Becky volunteered for years, they called her a tremendous asset, always willing to help her pitch in, whether it was coordinating the mother-son event, which just makes me think of Arrested Development Motherboy. So don't do that.

Don't have Motherboy. Planning the teacher conference luncheons or coordinating the school room schools room mothers. And she also volunteered at the homeward bound wagon. W a g g i n wagon. Yeah. Nonprofit all volunteer animal rescue group. She volunteers there too. So she is busy. She's definitely doing it. Yeah, that's a busy Becky you got going on right there. The third son is born in about 2017 while all this is going on. So that's the spring break and all

that kind of shit. So she's a good mom. Everybody says a great mom. She Wow, she built for Halloween. Yeah, she built for Halloween yeah she built the kids transformers costumes that actually transformed she made the kids she made the kids fucking Starscream or whatever what the fuck is happening unbelievable um that's crazy that's awesome I would my mom yeah do that shit she'd be like no here's I here's what fucking one of those plastic masks in the grocery store with the With that thing that you get in plastic apron that goes in front of you there. I have one of those there you go Whatever those were terrible. This is a bad man. Oh Greek you'd smell like plastic for a month after that is horrible Thanksgiving people be like do you smell plastic I smell plastic

What does that smell he man to me, it's I'm sorry yeah, it's really bad it's He really wanted to be optimist prime, and I didn't have the time to make it, so this is what he smells like That's what they were yeah like 499 pieces of shit That's what they were yeah like 499 pieces of shit That stupid elastic thing stapled to plastic and it goes over your head It was a rubber band stapled onto the mask that's the high tech and that shit would come off after an hour and a half and then you have a mask you have to hold onto your face like a fucking idiot Or one time that happened to me and I can't remember who did it if it was my grandfather somebody Tied stretched the rubber band tied it around the eye hole in the eye hole

So it had a fucking rubber band in the eye I looked awful. I looked like a fucking joke walking down the street. That's extra tight now I'm surprised anybody gave me candy like they weren't just like this this is pathetic, get off my property, I'm not giving you. I'm not even giving you sweet tarts for that, that's terrible, go. This is the worst costumes ever. It was so bad. Then she would also created custom first day of school

posters each year for the kids to shit like that. Yeah, you gotta do that for the photos, yeah. That's interesting, yeah, yeah, that's true, because this is later, this is the 2000, late 2010s, so this is Instagram, I forgot about that. That's some Facebook shit, yeah, Instagram for sure. This is Instagram, so 2019, Tim is working for Quincy Farm Products, that's where he got a job,

and he is allowed to work remotely a lot of the time. So he works from home a lot too. Awesome. Which is good. So if you have three kids, somebody's there to be able to pick them up and do shit. Now 2019, Tim makes a television debut here. He alongside his parents and brothers went on family feud. Hell yeah.

The Steve Harvey family feud, obviously, because it's 2019. Somebody in his family answered the call. He called them, and then he stood next to Steve Harvey in a giant fucking peach colored suit and did some game show shit. And blurted out goofy answers while Steve judged the shit out of him,

shaking his head. And every once in a while said something inappropriate to Family Feud that will be On all sorts of fucking yeah attempted viral videos. Yeah. Oh look what Steve Harvey said so Anyway, Steve Harvey said all right Tim. We talked to a hundred married people What's the biggest mistake you made at your wedding? What the fuck Steve? That's Steve's question. You're just asking for trouble.

Is that what the show is now? They're trying to ruin lives? I mean it's always like, Family Feud is always the same thing. There's like the obvious cheeky answer and then there's the real answers. You know what I'm saying? So it's almost like Hollywood Squares used to be where they'd give a fake answer except you can't give a fake answer on Family Feud.

You have to give the real answer. But the lowest answer is always the goofy one that they're like, ah, ha, ha, ha. That's what he said. There it is. There it is. So he said, there's always two idiots who said it on the survey.

Right, it's always two idiots who said it on the survey So what's the biggest mistake you made at your wedding I don't even know what the top answers for that would be the top answer is my spouse Well, I mean like in reality though because they're supposed to be like seven answers So what were those answers be I danced bad? I got too drunk. Yeah Cut the cake raw I don't even know what you would do like pick the wrong best man The bridesmaids. Yeah pork the bride's made in a broom closet He said quote honey. I love you, but I do that was I do was a mistake. Yeah, that's his joke there That's the joke. Yep, and he's then he said quickly not my mistake not my mistake

I love my wife and then he said I'm gonna get in trouble for that aren. I love my wife. And then he said, I'm going to get in trouble for that. Are I? Yeah, you are. Yes, do it. Just trying to score points. Exactly. Yeah. Either way.

So now you didn't get points and your wife is going to think you're a douchebag. So you just failed twice on that one. Now, March of 2020 is when COVID obviously kicks in. And Becky is a nurse, so at a hospital. So that's rough. So during this, she begins telling her friends of her marriage problems. And they're like, listen, sweetheart,

we all got problems right now. You know what I mean? There's a lot more than this. There's a whole lot of shit going on right now. It's wild out there. I haven't been able to wipe my ass properly in a week and a half. That's what's going on right now Yeah, I just I just used an old shoe it wasn't comfortable Wasn't comfortable at all

I've been looking for something soft for a month. Yeah went through the the family guinea pigs. That was no good Yeah, they bite so I drug my ass on the couch like a dog with worms Yeah, because it works got down on the carpet. They were right. It's it's rough and it's red back there Let me tell you the look I got from my dog too. He was pissed. It's like, oh, I'm not allowed to do it But you can okay So this friend of hers at work said, quote, "'She told me that Tim just didn't want "'to be married anymore.

"'I thought, wow, you know, "'they were like the perfect couple.'" And this was also during COVID, so there was a lot of, people were like, everything was disrupted. Yeah. People are creatures of habit. People are creatures of habit,

and if their habits get broken, they don't know how to react to it. They freak the fuck out. I like chaos. They either stand the fuck still in panic or they get more done because, yeah, thriving in it is awesome. I love chaos.

I moved like 37,000 times when I was a kid, so I don't give a fuck about things like that. I was like, oh, let's see what happens here. Shit being weird for me is fine, but other people, they get very set in their life and set in their ways. January of 2021, okay? So they make it through 2020. That's good.

In January of 2021, Tim files for divorce. He files? He files for divorce, yeah. Wow. He basically was telling some people that he saw a change in Becky's personality after she became a nurse, and he didn't like it, which, I don't know, she seems like the same,

she's gonna be the same person wherever she is. Just based on her. You got three kids and now she changed? It's a little odd, yeah, I don't really believe that. So he also, this is a quote from Tim Tim she struggled with patients and stress a lot, which yeah emergency room nurse That's the number one Stress would be the number one probably problem of that job. I would think he's stressed He said especially when it came to the kids and it created some con some conflict

But this Becky sister Sarah said, bullshit, Tim's making excuses. She believes the reason Tim filed for divorce is that he couldn't control Becky. She said that Becky was a loving mother and tried to salvage the marriage though. Sarah said she really wanted to go to marriage counseling with him and he refused.

Oh. So yeah, if someone offers to go to counseling and you don't want to go, then you're done with the relationship at that point. You're saying I don't want to fix it. Yeah. I don't even want to try. You're throwing up your hands and saying we need to sit down and have a professional walk us through how to either compromise or just get through whatever our differences are. And if you're not willing to try that. Yeah, I don't know what you're doing here. The person you're married to thinks that's the last stitch

effort. Exactly. Thinks you don't have anything left. That's what you're doing here. They this the person you're married to thinks that's the last-ditch effort things I have anything left. That's what you said telling you you said no. No, my bags are already packed them in the trunk Yeah, fine. The cars are already warm. It's warm I'm taking the rest of the toilet paper by the way Yeah, so According to this though. It turned pretty contentious pretty quick the divorce They fought about money the, the custody of the kids. It's a lot, it's just a lot, which is really odd that there would be like, it was very contentious,

especially on Tim's side, which is weird because he filed for the divorce. So you'd think he would be just wanting to get out of it. You know what I mean? So during their marriage, Becky purchased a gun, a nine millimeter, but after they separated she didn't have the gun anymore she couldn't find it hmm I don't think she's allowed to have it why well yeah you can never mind never mind there's no you get it sometimes in divorces when

they're contentious but there has to be police involvement never yeah there's no somebody has to be in situations right thismind. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, there was no domestic situations or anything, this was just, she said, as she noticed it was gone after he had moved out and they had separated, so she said, my gun's gone. Then she started telling people that she was scared of Tim at certain points. She told a guy who was a friend of theirs

who lived in Ohio, who knew them both very well, a guy who was a friend of theirs who lived in Ohio who know them both very well, a guy named Gary Collins. She talks about how he had worked with Tim in the past and shit like that. He said that Becky told him Tim was hiding money from her and she also told him she did not want the boys her sons to be around Tim's dad, Ray Oh, and this guy also said one time he talked to her and she was very distraught and crying and saying that if anything Happens to me. It was Tim who did it really now Collins was a police officer Yeah, so he told her well if you're that concerned about it, you should go get a restraining order, you know, and here's how you do it. And told her the path to do that. Cause you know,

she's never really had to file restraining orders against anybody before. So September, 2021, Becky sends a text to her sister, Sarah, and this text, and I've seen the screenshot of this, it says, quote, if something ever happens to me, please make sure the number one person of interest is Tim, as that is who would do someone that is who would do something to me. I'm putting this in writing that I'm fearful he will somehow harm me, come after me, or will try something to make to me that takes me away from the kids or the

kids away from me. He's already lied multiple times to paint himself as the victim and me as the perpetrator when it's absolutely the other way around. No I have not sent this to mom or dad as I don't want them to be out of their minds with worry. Okay, give us, I wish you would give us an example of some of the shit that's making him making her scared. There is some stuff here with this I will talk about.

She also said that her sister said that this came from because one of the nurses she knew at the hospital was murdered by her partner recently. Oh, she was now very worried that she would be murdered too, which is you know So there's break-ins in the neighborhood you lock your door extra tights is one of those things sure so Sarah the sister said a quote I said what did he do and That that text was prompted by the murder of one of her colleagues one of the nurses She knew who was murdered by her partner that scared her. She felt like that could happen. And this is real. So Tim's Tim said, quote, I never understood where that came from.

We'd get into arguments and sometimes we'd get loud, but that's all it amounted to was no physical things. You know, everybody argues. Sarah says she recommended Becky seek help from a domestic abuse organization and eventually Becky files for an order of protection against Tim. In her petition she alleged that Tim quote entered her residence without permission and also she said that he repeatedly falsified interactions between the two. The order of protection was not granted though. There was no proof of.

No evidence, yeah. No evidence of any kind of aggression. You can't just get an order of protection because you don't like somebody. You have to have a reason. And I mean, she probably had a reason to feel that way, I'm sure, but a judge needs to see evidence in front of them, unfortunately, in such situations,

which makes it hard. But if they didn't, then people could use that as a weapon against their partners to not be able to see their kids. And people would be throwing that back and forth a lot if there was nobody in there. So not saying Becky would do that, but other people might, you know?

Less honest people. So here's more texts from 2021 here. In May of 2021, a friend of Becky's named Christine Moore received text messages from Becky and one dated May 7th, 2021. She said quote, Tim has screamed in my face, shoved me in front of the kids and has thrown things across the room where the kids and I were standing Punched a hole in the wall if things don't really don't go his way I feel he can be very unstable and unpredictable and the thought has gone through my mind

on on of it That's hard to and the thought that has gone through my mind on of if it's a text So she might have been bad spelling there, I may need a restraining order. I'm definitely changing the locks as soon as I can. She also ended up getting a security system in her house too. During that same conversation, she also wrote,

the only way to ensure all three children choose him over me is to eliminate me as a choice. That's what she said. So, then there's another one here, another friend named Nicole Bateman, and this is from a text message exchange from two days later on May 9th, 2021. Becky said, quote, Tim told me if I outed his dad,

that he, Ray, the dad, would probably have to move and then he would kill himself. What is he gay? We'll talk about it. She later told the friend that she worried that Tim would take the kids even if she was awarded custody because quote, he will be pissed and he will do whatever he feels like doing. She also texted that same friend in September of 2021 saying quote, a friend and coworker of mine from the ER was murdered last Friday by her ex. In that same conversation Becky wrote yes I had literally had a panic attack Friday night

thinking Tim is going to come after me and do the same if he continues to not get his way. She also wrote that Tim had filed for an order of protection which she said was based on lies and she was worried about what else he was capable of. And she also wrote that her lawyer, um, she told her lawyer that, uh, quote, Tim's erratic behavior and constant lies facilitate the need for protection. Uh, on top of all of that, he has all of our guns and ammunition, including mine. Okay. So Becky's scared and like we said, a lot of this,

we don't know if it's just because someone at work, divorces are crazy, but who knows? So there's another woman named Becky here, Becky Spots. Becky and Becky, she's Becky's coworker and friend. Multiple Becky's working as nurses at this hospital. This is a Facebook Messenger conversation they had on June 4th, 2021. Becky wrote, I am wanting to never have my children around Tim's father alone ever again. It's gotten to the point that I even hate going to work for fear he will secretly take

off with the kids and I won't see them for a long time ever." And she said basically this, there was a bunch of similar conversations to this, the friend said. Uh, Becky also wrote the following quote, I truly believe Tim has serious mental health problems and is becoming more vengeful and unpredictable and it scares me, but I'm scared to even try to get an order of protection because it will piss him off and he will try to punish me somehow. And I don't think an order of protection will be issued because they will say his violent

outbursts have not been egregious enough and incidents have been stretched out over too long of a period. Temporary custody has not even been set yet because we haven't been to court and I don't even have exclusive possession of our house, so I can't even legally keep him away from me or the kids See a very volatile situation. Yeah. Yeah, he's still legally allowed to come over whenever he wants. He still lives there technically He's she said plus if I ask for an order of protection I won't be able to come see my children at his house anymore and he may cut off their communication with me while they're there And that scares me too. Sure. So she wants to be able to you know, pop over see with me while they're there and that scares me too.

Sure. So she wants to be able to pop over, see the kids if they're over there. January 2022, Becky is, I guess, trying to move on from all this here. She meets a guy named Ted Johnson. Ted and his Johnson she meets here. She met Ted's Johnson.

She meets Ted, well they didn't meet the Johnson till summer of 2022. They were apparently they met in January but became romantically involved in the summer of 2022. I have someone I'd like to introduce you to. He said Johnson. Here he is. Now there's three people in the room. Yeah. So the divorce proceedings are taking their toll on everyone here in just a year.

It's really gotten that's really stretched out. It's taxing and they haven't had like, I haven't been to court and all this. So, um, Sarah, the Becky sister said, Tim's appearance was disintegrating over the course of the divorce. He didn't even look like the same person that she married. He became even more vindictive. He became a very hateful person. She was convinced that he was willing to do just about anything to prevent her from winning

in the divorce. Tim asked the court for sole or majority custody of the three children. But Becky also files motions. We have some of these here. Okay. In his petition, he accuses Becky of repeatedly calling him and demanding to speak to their youngest son. Okay.

Is it like every three minutes? Because otherwise it's a mother calling to talk to her young son. I don't know what's bad about that. That seems okay to me. Also accused her of becoming secretly combative at their children's school after he declined to give her a letter that one of their sons had written to them and harassing Tim via text message to find out where he was with the children, which where are you with the kids?

I don't think is a, it's not a harassing, unless it's every three minutes, it's not harassing at that point. So, Becky filed her own petition, accusing Tim of repeatedly entering her home without permission and using the children to access the house and take things. When she called police over the incidents,

Becky wrote in the petition, responding officers told her that she needed a restraining order to present similar situations. Like, listen, we can't tell the guy to, he can't come back if he legally lives here, so. Legally his house and possibly some of his shit's there, so. Yeah, so that's tough for them, you know?

According to the petition, Becky also accused him of cutting down her favorite tree as punishment. He's mad at her and he went out and chainsawed her tree down. Which that's real nice. That's pretty vindictive as punishment for quote not doing things he's been asking for for 10 years. Also he threatened to toss out a family pet. Becky as we know volunteers in animal shelters and shit,

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So, I'm going gonna throw out the dog because you're not working out as much as I'd like you to. Which is one of the craziest things I've ever heard. Those things don't even make sense. We're divorced, so this doesn't even matter. Why is it, that's not your problem. This was while they were together, I think. Or while they were in the process of breaking up

when he was half in and half out. The fitness app, you didn't meet your goals today? I'm gonna throw the fucking dog out I don't know that just made doesn't make any sense no at all Can't get you into the other did you eat Cool Ranch Doritos today? Yes, well, I'm killing the cat Okay, like they don't connect at all. I don't know how they connect Why is the bunny hanged in the garage? Well, weird. I found the cheese nips open.

And she also, she accuses him of nearly hitting her and one of their children with a garden hose and reel during an argument, like the reel for the hose. The thing, so I don't know, maybe threw the whole hose set up or what. When Becky told Tim she didn't feel safe around him and wanted to sleep with one of their children, she wrote that he threw her bedding into the basement.

He took all of her sheets and blankets and threw them into the basement. There you go. She said that, this is Sarah said, his form of torture really was manipulation and control. And Tim- If all those are true, that's just weird. It's just, that's what I mean, it's all weird shit. It's all, like it's not stuff, I don't know if that would get you a restraining order stuff. Apparently it didn't because she tried to get one, but it's definitely odd character

behavior there for him. So Tim said, yeah, I was the one that wanted to get out and I tried on several occasions, but there are details that are hard to talk about that happened in the divorce that's his exact quote. Like the part where you threw her bedding down the fucking stage. Take that! Now your shits in the basement and be all moldy soon. So in the months after he filed for divorce that's when all this started happening yeah she says at one point to a friend, I truly believe Tim has serious mental health problems

and is becoming more vengeful and unpredictable. Tim says, bullshit, Becky was the one who was becoming vengeful. She was going full Becky on me and shit. Like, what am I supposed to do? He said, she told people I had an affair, which was untrue. She tried to tell people that I was an alcoholic,

which is untrue. She was telling people that I was an alcoholic which is untrue She was telling people these things because she was angry about the divorce and uh he alleged that He sought a water of protection because becky would stalk and harass him Stalk and harass him. Yeah, um He also referenced an incident, to back this up in his mind, where Becky had become combative during a disagreement at a parent-teacher night.

This is that letter. Remember the one, the letter the kid wrote to them and he said he was keeping it? Okay. This is on video, by the way. He's recording this. All right, Tim is. She says, I'm asking for the letter. He's recording this. Alright, Tim is. She says I'm asking for the letter.

He says stop. I'm asking you to stop harassing me and stop following me. She said I'm not harassing you, I'm asking you. And he said I will make a copy for you. And she said I don't want you to tape me, don't tape me. And he said then stop doing this. And she said don't tape me, I don't. And he said then stop doing this and she said don't tape me I don't and he said then stop doing this and she said I didn't ask you to tape me so yeah this is ridiculous now these two like very childish he's getting a camera out to record all their conversations and I'm gonna hide this letter from her and I'm gonna argue that we're argue about it it's all you've already embarrassed her on national TV, man.

Haven't you? Yeah. Well, luckily she wasn't there. At least she wasn't like on TV too, like standing next to him having to eat that shit. I think it's worse to like use the TV as a way to message her. Well, then he looked into the camera

and was like, my bad baby, you know, like, I love you. That's fucked up, man. That's crazy. So Tim's divorce attorney said, quote, I don't think anybody was trying to hurt anybody I think you have two parents that were having a disagreement and didn't know how to deal with it That's what I mean that seems about right I think yeah so she said that the judge did not grant the

restraining or the order of protection because there was no reason to Then they said we learned that Becky sought an order of protection against Tim. She didn't want Tim's father Roy to be around her kids unsupervised, and that was one of the issues of the divorce. Did I say Roy? Roy? You love Roy. Roy. I guessed Roy. The judge ultimately did order that Becky and Tim stay away from each other's residences except when exchanging their kids. Leave each other the fuck alone unless you're dropping the kids off or picking them up.

Yeah, in those cases, sometimes you can just do it at a firehouse nearby, not the sub place, an actual firehouse. I used to be a process server. I'd have to serve people in a lot of kid exchanges And a lot of them are done at the grocery store at the McDonald's parking lot or that's where they exchange Yeah, so also the judge ordered him to return a nine millimeter handgun that Becky had gifted them when they were together Okay, interesting. So

Because he liked to shoot. Sarah, the sister said he was into, you know, recreational shooting, and she wanted that particular gun back because the gun was in her name, but he never gave it back to her. Right? So here are some more divorce info here. The finances were particularly contested. Uh, Tim and Becky disagreed on the division of property and about a half million dollars of marital assets.

Holy. Yeah, Becky was planning to testify in the divorce hearing that discrepancies on money that her husband had either taken or, money he had taken or things that he had understated, meaning money he made. Yeah, undervalued. Didn't put it, yeah. She said that she should be entitled to that.

So they also said that apparently, Tim's divorce attorney sent a settlement proposal letter to her. And in the letter, amongst other things, he requested that his father be allowed to have unsupervised contact with the children. However, Becky viewed unsupervised contact with him, with the father, as a, that ended all negotiations right there. And she was ready to put on evidence, we'll find out what this is, about why the father shouldn't be able to spend time with the children unsupervised.

And she rejected this settlement proposal. Okay Now Tim has been growing his hair long. It's like a real short-haired guy before now he's growing his hair all long he's like long hair at this point in time and Sarah Becky's sister said we had seen through social media the Deterioration of his appearance that went hand-in-hand with the deterioration of his appearance that went hand in hand with the deterioration of his mental state over the course of the divorce. So if you grow your hair out that's a deterioration of your appearance. Well, listen James, you're a nutcase.

What the fuck? Yeah, what am I doing? Tim said that's not the case and he was growing his hair out for a fundraiser for cancer research. That's what he said. Oh, he's going to donate. Yeah, so I was going to cut it and donate it. Yeah, that's what I was doing here. So that's just so weird. Yeah. Your mental state state's deteriorating. If you change your hair, imagine women change your hair all the time. Imagine if a husband's brother said her, obviously she was going crazy. She

changed her fucking hair. It was different. Like you'd be like, what the fuck is wrong with you? You weirdo. Sometimes a haircut does sign signify you there are some 2 a.m. bang you're like Jesus what are you not 2 a.m. bangs yeah we know the 2 a.m. bang you just grabbed it went ah and chopped it all off and it's an inch from your hairline straight across that's those yeah you get like the baby hair yeah exactly but like if a woman like you know know, changed her style or went with a different color, you wouldn't be like, she's obviously going mentally crazy because she changed her hairstyle. But if he grows grows his hair out, he's losing his mind.

Takes so much time too. It's like, uh, sometimes it's just like, maybe you're lazy, don't want to get a haircut. Sometimes you grow it out for locks of love. There's plenty of reasons to grow it. Or when you start to be in your 30s Mm-hmm and 30s and 40s like me about five years ago. I was like, why do I have short short hair? Most of the people I know that are my age I hang out with their fucking bald At least I have hair I should grow hair out while I still have you know what I mean? Fuck. Fuck it Yeah, I was like I'm wasting this area. Yeah, I'm wasting hair. So I started growing it out just for that. Dye it purple, I don't give a shit. Yeah, I don't know.

Someday it might be gone, so I'd like to use it while I can. Yeah. So anyway, so that's how petty it gets though. That, they're going so picky. My point is like, it's rarely a growing out that signifies crazy. It's usually fucking, yeah, chopping it all off. All at once, all at once.

That's crazy. That's when people like, ooh, I don't know about that. So anyway, they have a final divorce hearing. We're going to have the whole divorce trial here set for March 2nd, 2023. Here we go. Okay. Now documents show that Becky was planning to expose a family secret. She and other witnesses, she says she has witnesses ready to testify that her father in law will get his name right.

Ray had a history of quote perversion and abusing minor children. Oh, not good. Including a minor family member, uh, putting a huge strain on Tim. It said, okay, now Becky had gathered witnesses. minor family member putting a huge strain on Tim, it said. Now Becky had gathered witnesses, she said she planned to have testify about this that would allege that he had a history of this for many years. The alleged victims were not the Tim and Becky's children by the way, never not them. So Becky sought an order of protection against Ray, but a judge denied her request

because you have to have proof of this. So. I'm probably saying that guy's a pervert. To just say, yeah, that guy's a pedophile, you could say that about anybody. But, you know, in a letter, Ray's lawyer wrote that Ray vehemently denies the claims and that he has never been charged

with any criminal offense stemming from anything like that. Yeah. Okay. Roughly two months after the petition for a protection order was denied, she filed another time Becky does. This is the Roy one. Okay. This is there.

Now some of the Tim's relatives had accused Ray of sexual assault. She wrote in the petition and she doesn't want him near the kids. She said she confronted Tim about the allegations allegations This is what she put in her petition He told her to quote calm down The oh it gets worse oh it gets any time there's a pedophilia concern calm down isn't the correct answer This is the wow right now. I want the kids away from Tim for this He said yeah, don't worry about it. Our kids are boys not the Girls have accused him of molesting them. Oh my god. Yeah, he doesn't like little dicks

He likes, you know, my dad just likes young young girls young girls. So don't worry about it Imagine that oh, no. No, he's a very specific pedophile. He's not, that's what he's saying apparently. No, he's straight. Yeah, he's good. Yeah. He's a straight pedophile. It's different. That's not okay to him.

That doesn't make him feel better. Wow. No. That's, Jesus Christ. She wrote- He's not good at defusing situations. That is a bad defense of your father. He doesn't even fucking molest boys, give me a break.

Oh okay, nevermind, it's good. Make sure they're dressed real masculine when they go over there. Make sure he doesn't confuse them for a girl. They've got high voices still, so let's keep them away from him. How about that? Wow, that is fucked up She wrote I was beside myself I could not believe that my children's own father was unwilling to take extra precautions to protect our children from potential abuse Tim threatened me that if I quote outed his father for what he had done that his dad would probably have to move away and

Would probably kill himself and it would be all my fault Okay, is he a pedophile? Yeah, he killed himself because he molested girls and didn't want to get arrested. Yeah, it's not your fault. What are we talking about here? So Becky names in an amendment to her petition She named several relatives and described the alleged abuse. Two were minors at the time of the incident, according to the document. A third was 22 years old. That's just incest at that point.

Right, incesting and rape. Yeah. So Becky also identified a fourth relative who reported witnessing some of the alleged abuse. She does it in front of people, Jesus, or allegedly. So in a petition to dismiss, in a motion to dismiss the petition, a lawyer for the father-in-law described the allegations as hearsay and unsupported by affidavits or testimonials. You can go gather a bunch of hearsay,

but unless somebody puts it under oath, that's not really a, you can't. Yeah, it's not legally, it doesn't matter legally. He also, this lawyer then accused Becky of abusing the state's domestic violence laws with a public record aimed at destroying his reputation and labeling him as quote, one of the most despicable types of individuals

in our society today. You know, a pedophile. Right. The worst thing. Yeah, so and then nobody that never reported the abuse to authorities or anything like that nobody did So Tim's lawyer said that Becky had heard stories about the allegations for years and they hadn't become an issue until the divorce It got hot and heavy. He said well Yeah, because you're trying to take their kids from her and if there's four stories about this man, that's not good

And they're both using whatever ammo they have. Yeah, you're empty in your clip here. It's a divorce proceeding and you're fighting Yeah, oh, yeah, and if there's if there's four people accusing then there's more people behind that, you know, right? So a judge a judge dismisses this new petition Here, but the allegations are just shifted into the divorce proceedings instead. So, yeah, that's fucked up. Now, February, 2023, Ted Johnson, her boyfriend at this point,

said that they were friends at first, became romantically involved over the summer of 2022, and he knew that Becky was going through a divorce because they spoke about it often. He testifies later on that a divorce, the divorce was full of animosity on both sides. And by February of 2023, with the trial date coming up for the divorce, Becky was jacked to get this over with.

Yeah. She was excited to just not fight anymore and be done with it. Be done. However the chips fall, they fall, but that's it. Write a check or get a check, but be done with it. At least be done with it. Be done, yeah. However the chips fall, they fall, but that's it. Write a check or get a check, but be done with it. At least be done with this mess. Now, February 10th, 2003, or 2023, not 2003,

February 10th, okay, at around 9.30 a.m., Tim called the police department, and the receptionist answered the call on the speakerphone, and people heard Tim say that he had a gun that he needed to return to his ex-wife from a judge's order but that he did not want to give it to quote that crazy bitch. I don't want to give it to that crazy bitch. The phone call was then transferred to a lieutenant in the police department named Shannon Pilkington.

And Shannon Pilkington says that Tim said the reason for his phone call was the court order to give his soon-to-be ex-wife, as he put it, a gun because she had proof that she had a gun safe. So if she could prove she had a gun safe, then he has to give her the gun back. He described the divorce as brutal and contentious. He didn't want to personally give the gun to her because he did not feel safe then he has to give her the gun back. He described the divorce as brutal and contentious. He didn't want to personally give the gun to her because he did not feel safe and he was afraid of what she might do if he met with her. So Pilkington, the lieutenant, told him that the police department would not be involved

in the return of the weapon. Basically, it's a great story. Work it out on your own. We don't give a fuck. That's a civil matter. Don't hurt anybody, don't get hurt, but get rid of the gun. It's a civil matter It's not our fucking pride if she shoots you give us a call. We'll come over but other than that We really have no we have no recourse here, which makes sense now

Valentine's Day February 14th, 2023 They a neighbor Said that she saw someone in the middle of the night outside Becky's house on a bicycle. Okay. Okay. And she said that she texted Becky immediately. She said, I told her we just saw somebody in the driveway and Becky responded the next

morning. And she said that the next morning she said that's when she told me she hadn't seen anything But she had thought that she'd been hearing voices in her backyard and her motion light went on So now she's very paranoid is what Becky said. Oh, man. I was hearing voices and my motion light went on so that makes sense So everybody including Becky and these neighbors all thought that this was some somebody looking for shit to steal somebody looking for a garage That's open and you know people are always prowling around. If you will, if you will fucking lay away your three year old for meth, like I think that, you know, people are,

they don't put it past people to maybe go into your garage and steal whatever the fuck from you. Or maybe somebody's planting some more IUDs in this fucking place, who knows? IEDs, IEDs. Yeah, IEDs. Yeah, not IUDs. If they were planting IUDs, that'd be good for everybody.

That's less kids, good shit. Right there in your garage. Yeah. Why is there an IUD in here? Look at it, see, it looks like a little guy like this. What's up with that? Why is that? It's like a cross minus Jesus, look at it.

This little thing stops at all? Wow. That thing sorts out jizz, huh? Fascinating. Weird, weird, weird. So February 22nd, 2023. Yeah. Okay.

Now, Tim is going to have the kids this night, even though Becky's supposed to have the kids. The night before February 21st, 2023, at 7.46 p.m., Becky messaged Tim and said, are you able to keep the kids tomorrow? I do not feel good today and feeling worse as the night goes on. She had some kind of surgery three days earlier. That's why Tim has the kids. She had some kind of surgery.

I don't think it was anything major, but enough to where she doesn't feel good. He responded, yes, I can keep them. I assume you're referring to overnight as well unless something drastic changes tomorrow during the day with how you feel Okay, Becky responded correct overnight. So would you pick them up from school and keep them Wednesday overnight? And he said, okay So Becky is home alone recovering from the surgery There Tim's house is about a mile away. And Ray's house is near there too.

Everybody lives in the same neighborhood here. So anyway, there we go. February 23rd now, by the way, the sons are 12, 10, and five at this point. They're not at home, they're staying with Tim, still on the 23rd. At 11.'re staying with Tim still on the 23rd at 1151 a.m. On February 23rd Tim called the school that the kids go to and said that he couldn't get in touch with Becky Okay, and then he called the school to see if he she had called them. Yeah, yeah, and

He also said that to the receptionist here, he knew that the boys were going to be walking home and he told me he'd be picking them up instead of having them walk home. That's what the receptionist said. Now she said she found the call unusual because neither Tim nor Becky had ever previously called about how the children were gonna get home

Either they walk or they show up and get them or whatever But they never called ahead of time to give you a us a heads up on it. Yeah, essentially So how do you tell the school how they're yeah? It's weird. So they also this woman also said that she did not Didn't call Tim that day and didn't believe anyone from the school had called him that day or anything like that. And she said that he ended up, Tim ended up picking the children up from school

at 1.50 p.m., which is an hour before dismissal. What the? On the 23rd. He was driving a Rust Red Orange Honda CRV. And she said that Tim had also picked the children up the day before But he didn't come an hour early it came normal dismissal time. So he knows when they get home Yeah, so after he gets the kids Tim said he couldn't get in contact with Becky. Remember he called the school looking for right and

So he contacted her father He sent a text to Becky's dad here saying, you know where Becky is He sent a text to Becky's dad here saying, you know where Becky is So, um, this is what it said quote Can you please call Becky and ask her to tell me when she's getting the boys today? I had them last night because she said she was sick But she hasn't responded to any of the messages I sent today And I don't know if she's still sick or if she's coming to get them or what's happening I can keep the children again tonight if needed, but I just need her to let me know what she wants me to do." Yeah, so apparently the dad told Tim that he hadn't been able to get a

hold of her either and so he said, I'm gonna go over to the house and see if she's okay because she just had a surgery and see what's going on. So he said, yeah, he tried to call Tim back, but he didn't answer, so he just texted him that, and Dad drives over to Becky's house and said that the front door was open. Yeah? When he got there. The inside door, the heavy wooden door that was there was open.

Okay. Not unlocked, open. Open. In February in Illinois. Not latched. Not closed, yeah, not just open So he said he checked in the garage and saw that her car was there Okay, so then he walked around and the downstairs looked around didn't find anybody

So then he went upstairs into their bedroom and didn't see anything would then turn to the bathroom and found her on the bathroom floor Oh boy and didn't see anything, but then turned to the bathroom and found her on the bathroom floor. Oh boy. This has nothing to do with her surgery. She is covered in blood and full of holes. It's not good. Oh really? Not good at all. She's been shot.

Yeah, I don't think her surgery was to be pierced all over her body multiple times down to her organs. So unless it was that. Told to go take care of that. Yeah, so this guy, dad didn't have his phone with him So he went next door to call 9-1-1. Oh Jesus Christ, so the next-door neighbor said that he got there about 3 30 p.m He came over to her house and asked her use her phone because Becky was dead

He called 9-1-1. He called his wife He called his wife because he wanted to remain at Becky's house and he didn't want his wife to drive So the neighbor went up and went and picked up Becky or picked up the mom Bernadette So on the drive back Bernadette called Tim and the neighbor could hear the conversation during the conversation Bernadette told Tim that Becky was dead At some point Tim had said that quote, the school had called him to because Becky didn't pick up the boys so they called him. Which isn't true.

Right, he called them. Yeah, that's the point. They said they didn't call shit, they didn't know who was getting anybody from when. Now 3.33 p.m. is when the first Quincy police officer arrives on the scene here. He is called to assist with the of the first detective. He's called to assist with the investigation He said that he was told it could be a suicide by the responding officers. Oh

Don't understand how people kill themselves. Apparently it's not by Yeah, but then when he saw shell casings everywhere The bathroom door had clearly been kicked in and she's full of holes including in her hands you go Well, people normally don't have defensive wounds from a suicide. So This doesn't look like a suicide He said that behind the broken door was a cell phone sitting on the floor And the broken door was a cell phone sitting on the floor. Pieces of wood from the door were also found all over the place, which led them to believe that whoever did this violently kicked in the door.

She ran in there to try to get away. It didn't work. So the officer said he noticed around her body several very small pieces of plastic around her body. Little pieces of like limp plastic not hard plastic. Okay, and he said there appeared to be a towel in Her underwear in the genital area, but that is from that. She's wearing compression She's got surgery stuff on that's Right, so she's wearing like those those mesh things. Yeah Yeah, first they thought it was some kind of weird posing thing or something where they put

something weird on her, but it's not. She has like this, it's all set up. Surgery stuff, yeah. Surgery stuff, so we won't get into that too much. Dressed wounds. Exactly. So here they made a diagram and showed all of this later on, now they found a broken window

in the second story of the home. In the bedroom on the east side of the second story of the house, one of the windows was open and the window glass was broken and there was damage to the upper right portion of the window frame. Inside, just under the window,

there was a partial impression of a shoe or a boot. Okay. So they're like, okay, this is interesting. They also found a chair outside pulled from the patio and placed next to the house to be able to get up. That's how you stand. Yeah, it's called a ladder. That's how you work it.

So police determined quickly that whoever did this broken into the house by prying open an upstairs window in one of the children's bedrooms. They said, quote, the person had climbed up on there. There was a patio chair that was pulled over. They walked past Becky's windows in her bedroom and then they went to a room of one of the boys and pried it open, broke the window open and went in. You could almost trace their path to Becky's room. They had kicked in or broken the door violently.

Becky then ran into the bathroom turned around and got shot So because she has gunshot wounds all over her they also found there's tool markings on the window Showing that it had been pried. Yeah So they they swabbed the chair outside for DNA evidence because it's 2023 there This is some of the most advanced shit that they've got. Yeah, touch DNA exists now, so it's a big deal. So they said they're swabbing the chair for DNA evidence, possibly touch DNA.

They said they did not try to obtain fingerprints from the chair, because doing so might compromise the DNA evidence. So they'd rather have the DNA than a fingerprint. I don't want the dust, I want the juice. I want the juices from deep inside you. I don't want the dust. I want the juice. I want the juices from deep inside you. I want his hand juices. So they take a picture of the broken window from inside the home and a photo of the footprint left on the carpet. So they described it saying

that pieces from a metal are pieces of metal from a door and pieces of plastic on the floor around her. So there's both. Remember the little tiny pieces of plastic. We'll find out more about that. And they said the photo that they took also shows metal broken off the door frame, splintered wood from the door and several shell casings in the room and one more casing in the hallway. Okay. So somebody took a pot shot as they were walking walk in yeah shot her once probably then yeah went closer They're thinking so

Jesus Christ they also The photo also shows that she the multiple pieces of plastic and a bullet hole around her on the floor as well and a bullet hole around her on the floor as well. So, interesting here. Now, the wounds from the autopsy report, this is brutal, dude. She was shot 14 times. Holy shit! 14 times with a 9mm.

That's all of them. My God. That's a lot of shots, man. That is just, that's a lot. I don't know how many people need to be shot 14 times before they're dead but if you can't kill someone close range with 10 shots you should probably not have a gun we'll put it that way matter of fact there's 15 and you said there's a bullet hole on the ground mister you

missed you piece of shit this is how you miss? Oh God. That is fucking pathetic, isn't it? You missed from that distance. You scumbag. So they said that there was this is the police chief of Quincy said that was significant because why would you shoot someone 14 times when you could have shot them twice and killed them? It seemed like someone was coming for Becky.

Made it very personal. The only reason they shot him 14 is because they missed with one. Otherwise it would have been fucking 15. Yep. Shot a total of 14 times. They said none of the wounds were immediately fatal. She bled out. Jesus.

Yep. It's fucking horrible. She'd been shot nine times in the torso, three times in her right arm, and two times in her left hand. One of them counts as went through her hand and into her arm. So they said the hand wounds are obviously defensive wound.

They said it took her minutes to die. Jesus Christ, they said it was an emotional response for both of us to realize that she had not, that just, to realize not just that she had been executed, but that her last minutes were lying on a floor alone in the dark in extreme pain waiting to die. Oh, god damn. Fucking horrible.

She was wearing black compression surgical pants and a surgical compression pad on her torso. So they said that, yeah, nine gunshot wounds to the torso alone. And, um... So many. That's so many, Jesus Christ. They said the mechanism of death was internal bleeding, as she had almost no blood left in her when they found her.

Yeah, there's, how would you? That's so much. They said, because of the compression pad, it wasn't surprising that there wasn't as much blood on the floor next to her as you would expect, because it's soaking up blood. Yeah. The compression pad, it wasn't surprising that there wasn't as much blood on the floor next to her as you would expect because it's soaking up blood. The compression pad. They said that this would have been

an extremely painful death. They said they noticed, they noted that a projectile entered the back of her hand exiting through her palm. That hurts. Aiming just at mid, just center mass. That's so fucked up They also performed a sexual assault kit and she was not sexually assaulted in any way, which that's good. It's just so Later on the prosecutor will say whoever killed Becky stood over her and emptied the clip

Yeah fired until there was no more bullets available It was really really a really horrible crime scene a lawyer said that it was, really a really horrible crime scene. A lawyer said that it was really, really a really horrible crime scene. They find her phone behind the door. This is essential because it determines exactly when this happened. Yeah, they know exactly when this happened because at 111 a.m. she tried to dial 911 and her phone recorded it. She dialed 911 to 6 before her phone was knocked out of her hand. So she got 911 and she just didn't get the call. Yeah, there was motion. Something happened and her thumb slipped and hit the 2 and the 6 as it fell out of her hand. She hit the 911 too. She probably was pulling it away. It got knocked out of her hand or

as it was hit out of her hand, the 2 and six got touched. Yeah. This close to getting it off. I mean literally two inches from the cops being called. At least that would have sent someone to the house you know what I mean? Yeah. So that's crazy. 91126. They also they found her phone behind the bedroom door, the partial shoe print near the entry. By the way, nothing stolen in the house at all. Nothing. Just a murder. Just a horribly brutal and personal murder.

And the neighbors didn't see or hear anything. 15 rounds? Empty the clip and they didn't hear a fucking thing at one in the morning. 15 rounds, not clip and they didn't hear a fucking thing at one in the morning 15 rounds not a see Wow how far apart of these houses is remarkable to not that far It's what I mean. This is crazy. Like is there another house between his house and her house a mile away like That's a lot. So nope and nobody's up at one in the morning. These are all early to betters like what the fuck No inside the exit a room fired at my neighbor's house. I guarantee I wake up. I probably hear it I would imagine so now let's talk about these plastic pieces here around her because that's really weird

And they don't know what to make of all this plastic These are small little shreds of plastic found around the body and they said we thought that was very unusual when we saw that The main the attorney said I was like, okay, what's this? The pieces are examined further And they are found under microscopic analysis and everything found to be remnants of an an aldi grocery bag The store aldi. Yeah It's one of the plastic grocery bags. They don't have grocery bags.

They do, they have them. This is one of them. What? Yeah, this is one of them. Maybe this is why they don't have them now. Do they not? I don't know, I walked in Aldi once and it looked like a fucking,

it looked like fucking Ellis Island or something. Like there was just people like swarming everywhere and it was happening, there was like vegetables on the floor. I said, I'm getting the fuck out of here. It looks like a Ross of grocery stores. I'm told it's fantastic Yeah, it looks like there's just mismatched shit everywhere We picked up a cart walked down one aisle turned around dropped the cart off and left because there was just shit everywhere And it was like it was just chaos car

It was chaos man. Yeah, so Here is another thing they're gonna look for They said they were checked seven casings, shell casings that were there. They tested them for DNA and one was tested for fingerprints as well. As you can only do one or the other because it's a small area. They said there isn't enough surface on the casing to test for both. So they said they could also not test for both DNA and fingerprints on the small pieces of plastic bag around the body because the surface is too small. It's too small, yeah. So that's what they're working on now.

Now they go around the whole neighborhood because it's 2023. Does no one ever ring doorbell cam here? Does no one have Simply Safe in this whole fucking neighborhood? You guys don't have ears apparently, so it doesn't matter. It's wild, yeah. So anyway, during this the police began investigating they speak to Becky's next-door neighbors they had security cameras set up in their driveway alongside Becky's house good

they're like okay the camera didn't capture anything unusual on the murder but it did capture something a little bit earlier Here they said that they said at 105 a.m Here a person was seen walking down the driveway toward the back of Becky's house And then what appeared to be the same person was seen 48 minutes later Walking the opposite direction So whoever went past the camera went in or in or around Becky's house for 48 minutes later, walking the opposite direction. So whoever went past the camera went in or around Becky's house for 48 minutes and then left. So then they found out that there was another camera

that captured, I'm sorry, this camera that captured this captured a similar incident on Valentine's Day. Okay. Someone coming up to Becky's house. Yeah. Now there's another, now they go to the whole neighborhood looking for cameras here. They found another video here.

This is from a bus barn. The fuck is that? I don't know. Okay, that footage showed a person riding a bike in the direction of Becky's house right before the murder and in the opposite direction right after the murder.

Okay. So they began to suspect, obviously, whoever was on that bike, whoever's been seen in the driveway videos and in that neighborhood, it's probably the same person. Sure. Because there wasn't two people out in the middle of the winter in Illinois riding a fucking bicycle

around at one in the morning. That's just weird. That is a bizarre thing. Didn't even think about that, huh? How weird it would be to be fucking riding a bike. Well, in Phoenix, you see that all the time because people are making meth in their backpack and that's how you do it.

So that's a normal thing to see in Phoenix, but not in like a rural area. Yeah, that's how they do it. That's how you get the shit to activate. That's how they do it, yeah. That's the thing. You make your little backpack meth you can do it's fucking gross. So So they're thinking yeah, that has to be the same person

The only problem with the videos was that the person seen in them is completely unidentifiable. It is just a shadow figure Yeah, they could only see that the bike did not appear to have reflectors on the wheels That's what the only thing in distinctive about anything person bike is that there's no reflectors on the wheels. That's what, the only thing distinctive about anything, person bike, is that there's no reflectors on the wheels. That's it. But that's a great clue, because that means somebody took those the fuck off. Also, most bikes have them on there,

so if you find one without, that's something. So they said, later on, the prosecution team, somebody said, this isn't the part of town where people ride bikes in the middle of the night in the winter and So when you have this surveillance video and it exactly matches the timeline, it's pretty suspicious so the February 14th one filmed a person walking down the driveway at 1237 a.m. That was the one from from

Valentine's Day and was set from Halloween. So Becky's sister Sarah here, she gets the call that she's been killed. That Becky's been killed. Sarah lives in New York, but was away on vacation with her husband. So she said it was a living nightmare. How fast can we get to the airport? Fly back to New York, unpack our swimsuits,

pack funeral clothes and get to Quincy? All all in the matter of like this horrible grief and you know obviously your sister's has been murdered so That is fucking crazy on base happy shit and put put sad shit in yeah damn Damn it so they said that I To them there was only one person that came to mind as a suspect and that was Tim. Yeah, there's a big long text about it.

That's it. So they said that that's all there is to it. So they do more DNA testing here. They say that they collected DNA from the handlebars of a bicycle that we'll find here in a second. They find a bicycle. Oh, okay. And we'll talk about this. It's a blue bicycle. And, uh, they said that the DNA on the handlebars of this bicycle did not belong

to Tim, Becky, their children, or, or, uh, Ted Johnson, the boyfriend. Okay. No DNA on there. They tried to get DNA from a chair outside Becky's house but she wasn't able to collect the sample that was suitable for comparison because there was so little DNA present. They also tested the swabs the police collected from Becky's door handle and concluded that it was unlikely that the DNA was deposited by either Johnson or Tim but may have come from Becky or one of the children. So not one of the two guys that might kill her. Because the cops look at it this way, yes they're in the middle of a contentious divorce,

but they've known each other for 15 years and they were both still alive. This Ted Johnson guy just popped up and now she's dead. So just logically you're going to look at him too, clearly. You know what I mean? You just, you never know what kind of guy he is. So they said that they did that. They also collected DNA from a piece of plastic that was frowned around Becky's body

and said it was likely that Becky's DNA was in the sample and not likely that it was Johnson's DNA in the sample. They also said that there was more support for Tim being a contributor to that sample as opposed to not being a contributor, however, it was limited in nature. So basically it's like 50-50 it might be him. That's not enough. It could be anybody at that point. So that means that there's a lot of people that fall under that category

So yeah They said also that they they tested a spent nine millimeter cartridge found in the hallway and Concluded that the DNA on the casing belonged to Becky. Oh Not that's in the hallway Not either Tim or Johnson neither of them not, not the boyfriend, not the husband, her DNA is on it. That's interesting. Now, they further tested the eight cartridge casings found at her house and the projectiles in her body.

They found that they were all fired from the same gun. They opined that it was either a CZ 75 9mm handgun or a Ruger 9mm handgun that could have fired the rounds. By the way, Becky's missing gun is a CZ 75 9mm. The one that's missing. And her DNA is on the shell casing, meaning it could be her gun and she just loaded it and never fired any rounds out of it. And now every round that just came after her were ones she put, that's even worse.

She loaded her, that she loaded the gun for her own death. That's possible. Oh God. That's possible. Or they said also fluids, anything's flying through the air or something. There's a lot of possibilities there. So what about Ted Johnson?

Let's talk about him. What about him, yeah. So February 13th, 2023, he spent the night with Becky at her house. Romantic. Valentine's Day evening. The next time he saw her, he said, was on the evening of February 21st when he brought her over some food, visited for an hour, and left. He's like, I don't like when broads are recovering from things.

Makes me uncomfortable. Here's your food I don't like when broads are recovering from things, you know, it makes me uncomfortable. Here's your food, I'm getting out of here. So. I don't see you vulnerable, maybe never find you hot again. It's dangerous for me, that's all it is. Here, I got you some Taco Bell. Good job.

Johnson's real precarious. So on the evening of February 22nd, he spoke with Becky on the phone and she said that she was excited to pick her children up the next day because she was finally allowed to drive for the first time since having abdominal surgery the week before. She was happy to get out of the house and do shit. That was the 23rd, the day that he picked the kids up and called the school that Tim

did. So that morning, the following morning, the 23rd, he texted her multiple times, Ted Johnson did, and you know, multiple times she never responded. He talked to Becky's sister, Sarah, later in the day, and she told him that Becky had been found dead in her home. That's his story. So later, Johnson meets with the detectives at the Quin a conversation with the police. He also had a conversation with the police. He also had a conversation with the police. He also had a conversation with the police.

He also had a conversation with the police. He also had a conversation with the police. He also had a conversation with the police. He also had a conversation with the police. He also had a conversation with the police. He also had a conversation with the police. He also had a conversation with the police. He also had a conversation with the police. He also had a conversation with the police. his hands, probably gonna be gone by now, and volunteered a swab for DNA testing as well.

So, I mean, he's saying I'm an open book. They asked him if he owned any firearms, and he said yes, he owned a.40 caliber Smith & Wesson. And he said he does not own any nine millimeter handguns. And they said, okay, what do you drive? And he said, he drives a truck with Missouri license plate reading eight DC J five five because he had previously lived in Missouri. He said that Becky's children usually stayed with her on Wednesday nights,

but on Wednesday, February 22nd, Becky had arranged for the children to stay with Tim because she was recovering from surgery. He said he did not go to her house that night at all. He said he had a visit, he went, visited a friend that evening from 6.30 to 7.30 and then went home and was alone in his house the whole rest of the night.

Never left again. It's a bad alibi. Not a great alibi. Visiting with a friend and then past 7.30, you have no alibi. But I mean, normal people don't need to establish alibis if you're not I mean you're you live alone life Yeah, most of my life is the worst. I don't know you have no alibi none unless you were doing this or Dropping your kids off at a sporting thing you have no fucking alibi whatsoever. My alibi sucks all the time

I was in the hot tub smoking a joint isn't a good alibi. There's no proof. Who was with you me? Nobody I was doing a very boring thing. Your honor. Yeah, sorry Oh man, I swear I didn't kill them But i'm really innocent. Honestly, it's just i'm just very uh, I just do boring shit. I just snogweed alone a lot, you know So they the bike they found they find a blue Schwinn sidewinder bicycle that fits it's a mountain bike fits the general bicycle from the picture Okay, a less than a half a block from Tim's house They find it just outside like wedged in between things. Yes

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or Apple podcasts. It hasn't been there long. They found this bike on February 27th, so four days after the murder. They found this bike, no reflectors on the wheels, and they were like, interesting. Less than a half mile from his house, from Tim's house, I said Ted now. Then a few days later, they did a police officer climb the side of Becky's home up to the roof like would have been done, because he basically went over the roof and around. He described the climb as difficult

and believed a person would need to be somewhat athletic to make a climb, which Tim and Ted are both described as athletic and in good shape and young. Neither of them are 60 years old or anything. They're both reasonably athletic. Basically, if someone weighed 400 pounds or they had a medical problem or they were 65 years old, they couldn't do it, but a reasonably athletic

younger person could do it. So now they need a search warrant for Tim's place because they found this bike. So they do that, they investigate here, and they executed, the way they got him, by the way, March 1st, 2023, they execute a traffic stop on him, pursue it to the search warrant. During the stop, he is wearing a fitness tracker device a whoop

This is all capital letters Whop you got himself a knockoff knockoff fitbit dollar general fitbit. I feel like that is there's like 30 bucks now Yeah, I don't know what the fuck this is but what a whoop he's wearing a whoop on his left wrist So they seize the whoop and his phone as part of the deal here, as part of the warrant. The phone records obtained from his service provider and data from the phone showed that on February 23rd, 2023, that's the day that her body is found, at 11.51 a.m., he made a phone call to the school, which we know lasted for under a minute. He also reviewed a report,

this is the guy looking over, the detective, not Tim, the detective reviewed a report from Becky's ADT system, the security system, which showed that on February 23rd, 2023, there was an alert that the front door had been opened at 1 12 a.m. Okay Okay now At tim's house, they find another bike

A black red and white mongoose bicycle. It's uh rear tire is flat and it has reflectors on both wheels That's not our bike That's not our bike and the bike they found is not at his house. It's just out somewhere. It's just out there, yeah. Which if a person, Tim or not Tim or anybody, rode a bike into the neighborhood and murdered this person, whatever, might want to ditch the bike on the way out.

They might think, you know, oh, I'm probably on cameras, I should ditch this bike. So that really doesn't help them at all. And if you know anything about her at all, and you're targeting to murder her Yeah You looking for anybody to frame for this maybe perhaps if you know that she needs to die and you're mad at her then you know She's contentious device divorce. Yeah, and everyone she knows knows that bury everything near him

I put I'd put a gun on his horse. She put his mailbox Right in his mailbox. I'd sneak up in his room and put it in his fucking belt loops. So that doesn't help them at all. No. Connect anything. What does help a lot is they found stacks of plastic Aldi grocery bags at his house. What?

The stack you take off the rack. Oh, the whole thing? Like a stack of them like that? Yeah. Like you break off 20 of them and grab them. Unused. Unused. Oh, the whole thing like a stack of them like that. Yeah, like you break off 20 of them. Yeah unused They found that at the in his home. Okay He's got bags. Where do you hear his excuse for that? It's hilarious

What yeah, so in his basement here on a shelving unit, they found multiple boxes of ammunition One of the boxes contained both fired bullets or both unfired bullets and spent nine millimeter cartridge cases. During they said that the spent cartridge cases found at Becky's house were also nine millimeter too. But in his basement and Tim's basement they also found a crowbar on top of a shelf where no other tools were located just a crowbar sitting up there as well Near our show. Yeah, it's I keep it up there They also said they found a large gun safe on the main floor of the house that contained multiple firearms firearm accessories and ammunition

They did a gun purchase check on both Becky and Tim and learned that she had purchased the CZ 75 9 millimeter handgun however they did not find that gun at the house right he noted that that Tim had in the past purchased two 9 millimeter handguns a Ruger LC 9 which again could possibly they said that could be the murder weapon and a Ruger SR 9 he did not find the LC 9 in the gun safe, by the way, but did find the SR9. Okay. Then they look up, they get into his electronics, which was the point, main point of pulling him over here. They see that shows that on February 14th, 2023, starting at 1

10 a.m., which is just after the time time that somebody walked 12 57 a.m. Someone walked up their driveway that night a series of searches were performed for queries such as Licenseplate lookup, Illinois licenseplate lookup title and registration Licenseplate lookup free vehicle history vehicle identification number check dot info Okay, he looking up Eventually at 1 25 a.m.. The searches went down Now are can are being conducted for a Missouri license plate number 8 DCJ 5 5 Sound familiar why else would I tell you earlier that that's his license plate numbering as it mattered later?

God damn it. Which is Ted Johnson's, just in case anybody was zoning out or doing something there. They also on his laptop found a search for a VIN decoder, for VIN decoder sites, vehicle identification numbers to find out who owned a 2021 Toyota Tundra with the same VIN as Johnson's truck. He walked up to that man's vehicle and took a picture of his VIN. What a scumbag. That's dirty man. Up to the goddamn windshield all the way in the corner there. You gotta want that. You gotta lean on that car almost. And then you gotta put some light on it too. You need a flash for it. it's dark outside.

At midnight, he's doing that? God damn. One in the morning. Yep. So it turns out that's Becky's boyfriend there. So one of the police people said, and for someone with power and control issues, you realize that your prior significant other is now in a relationship with somebody,

that they're spending the night on Valentine's Day, and then the minute you get back to your home at 1 10 a.m. in the morning, you're searching their license plate number and VIN number. That's someone who's lost control. All alone. If that's not bad enough, let's find some more searches that he found here. They said, we learned that he had searched several phrases

and terms that just shocked us the prosecutor He was searching Jesus quote how to pry open a door with a crowbar What the fuck? How to murder your ex-wife Who you have three kids with are trying to get a divorce and once made a comment about on Family Feud He might as well have texted that just Just text, or search for that. Just go ahead.

YouTube, show me how to open doors with a, you fucking what the hell? You idiot. You. Ha ha ha. If that's not dumb enough, how to wash gunpowder residue off my hands. Ha ha ha.

Ha ha ha. Sir. And if that's not bad enough, he then searched Quincy Police Department response time. Are you kidding me? How long do I have? He's setting it, setting his fucking whoop to it. Well, we'll find out about the whoop.

He's not setting his whoop to it. He's aware of his whoop. He's got whoop awareness here. So they said that the those actions just didn't seem like the actions of an innocent person they seemed a little off I would say I've never searched for any of that shit unless it had to do with a case of the show you could then look up and see all the other shit I looked up with that you know would see it's not murder for me but I guess I've never

loved anyone or like been jealous or I've never in my life felt to look up a fucking plate or a Vin number I don't care once we're not fucking I don't care who you're fucking cuz it ain't me I'm too busy looking for someone else to be fucking so I don't care Jim saw don't I worry about who somebody else's fucking I don't shit no once I'm done. I'm done. I am out I don't care anymore, you do whatever you want. Imagine that. Don't give a shit. Wow.

Cause both of us, I know that we're both like that cause we were both, when our ex-wives back in the day started dating and we were both like, awesome. Thank God. Yeah. We both. Fuck on. Neither of us were upset at all.

We were both like, awesome. Couldn't care less. That just yeah great good move on so The search histories in his laptop Queries were average QPD response time does my whoop record the exact times I wear it Is this cheap piece of shit monitoring me does this thing work at all Google said, Google said, do you mean Fitbit? What the fuck is a whoop? Do you mean iWatch?

What's a fucking whoop? What is that? We're at Google and we don't know what a whoop is. Holy shit, these things are so expensive, James. Oh, you had a high quality whoop? It's $240. Oh my god. Jesus Christ. Just buy an Apple Watch, you cheap fuck. You got a high quality what it's $240. Oh my god

Watch you cheap fuck Jesus Christ 140 for my Apple watch is cheaper than this piece of shit So does my what record exact times I wear it how to check if a gun is registered to me Does my whoop catch up when I'm not wearing it? Do I know how to use this thing at all? Can you just wash off gunpowder residue? You can by the way. And just scrub well. I know that.

Then here's maybe the worst one. Quote, how to make a homemade pistol silencer. Oh my God. That's why they didn't hear anything silencer. Oh my God. That's why they didn't hear anything. Yeah. Check it out. He used those Aldi bags? He made a silencer out of Aldi bags.

That's what they're accusing him of here. God, that's a whoop of fucking. Of grocery bags. Not even a Kroger, Jesus Christ. Okay, other searches and websites visited included information about how to identify if a shotgun shell was fired from a specific gun. Why criminals do not use shotguns despite cartridges being untraceable? Like, how come everyone's not using a shotgun if they're untraceable? He literally looked that up because it's the

loudest fucking thing you could do is fire off a shotgun That's why I don't think I'll do that or silencing that You're hearing that shit from fucking three miles away. That's why they don't use those very Look at the hole at the end of that fucking barrel man kaboom Omar used one cuz he didn't give a shit. He didn't think that He didn't think McNulty and bunk were going to be rolling up anytime soon. That's why because Baltimore's response time is a little slower than especially at the

low rises. You know what I'm saying? So yeah, all that. Also how to open a window from the outside using a crowbar to force open a window, lockpicking techniques, and more information about whoop data and tracking. Hahahaha. Whoops, couldn't be more appropriate. Whoops.

But you can't tie him to that bike, that's the thing. You can't tie him to that, oh shit, maybe you can. Let's look at his Facebook. No way. Yup, he had a, on his phone, a fake Facebook account under the name of John Smith. He's a very creative man, this guy. He's got a big imagination. So that John Smith account appeared to have been looking at the bike for sale, a blue

Schwinn without reflectors on the wheels. He bought it? Marketplace. Just like the bike that was found a half block from his house. Wow. Now, the guy who owned the bike testified that in October 2022, through Facebook, this is months earlier. Uh huh. He sold a blue Schwinn bicycle that didn't have reflectors on either wheel.

The buyer was a tall white man, a little shorter than this guy, this guy this guy six foot six So everybody's shorter than him and had an athletic build He couldn't remember anything else about it because he was a $75 bike transaction. So he wasn't really doesn't care It's not the guy who like, you know adopted his son or something who gives a shit. I asked 75 I got 35 I don't care what this guy did with it. I'm careful cares. I don't care if he beat a child to death with it Doesn't matter got of it. It doesn't matter. We may walk out of it. Not my problem at that point. So the name associated with the profile that Tim was using was John Smith and the account didn't have a photo obviously.

They found messages using Facebook Messenger from user John Smith to other people. So one message to Bob Singleton read, Bob, any interest in pushing back to roughly 11 a.m In Hannibal tomorrow, I'll be in an orange Honda CRV when you arrive so we know it's him because yep It's not somebody else using his phone So and they and that guy testified to that he was driving it on Honda CRV This guy that he was sending they also said John Smith sent another message to Singleton saying, hey Bob, I got down here a little early,

I'll be having coffee inside, I'm in a green zip-up hoodie hooded jacket, I have long brown hair. Just to make sure that you know it's him. It's his car, it's describe myself. Yeah. He also found a message from John Smith's account to, on his phone, to Amy Trevor Webster Yeah, he also found a message from John Smith account to

on his phone to Amy Trevor Webster about a 26 inch mongoose mountain bike. She was selling on Facebook So it's a bike. He asked if the bike was still available for purchase on October October 12th, 2022 She responded that it was available and asked what time he'd like to pick it up. John replied between 1 and 2 p.m. and they replied, yeah, that's fine. I'm not sure when I'll be home, but if I'm not, I will set it out front and you can just pay money in the mailbox. This is the Midwest. I don't give a shit about this bike.

I don't care if you steal it, that says. Yeah, I'll leave it on the patio. Hopefully you pay for it. If not, whatever. So later on that afternoon, John Smith wrote, money is in the mailbox, thank you. That, by the way, is the mountain bike that was found in his garage, the Mongoose. So he has tied himself to John Smith's Facebook account.

And he's inextricably, he's in there. Now they also tested the bike. They got on the Schwinn, well not that Schwinn, because it's evidence, but they got an exact model of that Schwinn, and made the ride, one of the cops did, from Tim's house north of the school bus garage to Becky's house, and it took under five minutes.

Yeah. So real easy for him to do that. Five minutes on bike, god damn. Oh, it gets worse for Tim. No worse than How do I kill my ex-wife who has three kids named Becky and who wants to tell call my father a child? Well worse than Google. Yeah, did he write his name in jizz? They found

Inside the gun safe in his room They found inside the gun safe in his room, dozens of shell casings, like we said, spent shell casings were found in his home. An expert compared them to shell casings found at the crime scene and determined that 27 shell casings in Tim's house had been fired from the same gun used in the murder. Why would he do that?

Fucking idiot. Then they test out the bags as well. They fired the gun inside a bag or a couple bags which created multiple pieces of finely shredded plastic similar to what they found on and around Becky's body. Why would he do that? Is it to catch the casings? Because sometimes people will put a bag to try to catch the casings. They only found nine casings at the scene. Uh-huh. So he took some of them with him.

Maybe that was in the bag. Yeah. The bag got in front of it, started getting blown away with it, or they tried to make a silencer. He did. Or he was trying to do both, silent and catch, and then forgot that this is going to put holes in it. That's, yes.

He doesn't seem like the smartest person. He's pretty fucking dumb. Which is crazy, because he's pretty he's pretty smart That's fucked up. He's like smart dumb. He's not murder smart. No, you know what? He didn't he hasn't listened to this show. No, right as I'm smart. And this is the thing he had Seven years of an opportunity before this murder. Yeah to listen to our show and We don't want to we don't want anybody to help anybody get away with murder. This isn't a how to. Get your goddamn shit together.

I just want, if you're gonna do something, do it properly, assholes. Just murder, fucking planting a garden, anything. Just do it properly. Also, if you don't murder, then don't murder. Because you're not good at this, man. Murder. Oh, by the way, what does he have to say about all this quote?

I can't even fathom the idea of considering murder somebody murdering somebody like I can't I'm not a violent person I'm not an angry person. I've never been that way. Yeah. Well, we know that Yeah, just based on the evidence man. You you googled it. Oh God his attorney said that she is determined to prove his innocence It's just based on the evidence, man. You Googled it. Oh, God. His attorney said that she is determined to prove his innocence. Wow. She said, just because Tim and Becky

are going through a messy divorce, it doesn't mean he killed her. That's crazy. Yeah, that's not what we're saying. She said it wasn't pretty, but the things that they were fighting over were not monumental things. And she was asked, this lawyer was asked about,

there's a number of friends who said that she, Becky had expressed fear of Tim. And the lawyer said, mm-hmm, yeah, that's a lot of girl talk. I've never seen any pictures of her with bruises or marks, any allegations of him beating on her, nothing. Girl talk. She wasn't scared of a beating,

she was scared of a murder, that's the thing. That's what she was scared of Not a meeting. That was just girl talk terrible thing to say girls just well It's kind of like saying if a guy's talking shit about his wife another guy would go it was just guy talk We were complaining about her wives. That's what guys do. I think they're saying the same thing girls complain about their husbands Overreactive woman, that's all. Yeah, yeah, so that's what they're saying, yeah. So the prosecutors say that even though there may not have been physical abuse, there was emotional abuse,

involved in text messages and all that, the prosecutor said, I would say what the texts reveal is somebody who wants power and control. He wants to control the relationship, he wants to control how people perceive him. Tim said, absolutely not. Tim said, no, she wasn't the one that was emotionally abused. I tried to create space. I tried to stay out of her life. And he said, I have an alibi for the murder. So, Oh, here we go. Yeah. Nanny, nanny, boo boo. You know what I mean? He says, they go, well, what was it? He goes I was at home with my sleeping kids

Great alibi asshole Yeah, so the his lawyer said she told him that that she wasn't feeling well, and he said that's fine That's how you want to see two people in a divorcing situation act with kids Now also they said they the prosecutors said that we were able to download information off Tim's phone and we found that he had what I'll call a burner or fake Facebook account for the name John Smith and that John Smith was looking for a bike bike for sale a blue Schwinn with no reflectors just like the one that was found. His lawyer again says that's nothing. She says, quote, I mean, I have a fake Facebook account.

I'm not proud of it, but people do it. What? Do they search for things that were involved in murders? That's the question. I don't have a fake Facebook account, do you? I have no fake accounts. I don't even wanna deal with my real accounts. Nevermind fucking fake, I barely touch those. I haven't posted on Instagram in like six months. I just don fake accounts. I don't even want to deal with my real accounts. Never mind fucking fake, I barely touched those.

I haven't posted on Instagram in like six months. I just don't care. She just admitted how fucking shitty her relationship is. It's so weird. My husband could be cheating. I'm trying to catch him all the time. Yeah, see, I have a fake burner account. I stalk people with it.

What's the big deal? People do it. So they asked her, isn't it a bit of a problem though that on his phone he gets an alert for that blue bike? Yeah. And the lawyer says, sure. Are there similarities? Sure, but that's not the only abandoned bike

that's ever been frowned around town. Yeah. No, but it is the one that matches the one from the videos and it is a half mile from the dead lady's house and even closer to the suspect's, so it's kind of Wow Also Tim says he knew about Becky's new relationship months earlier I'm not that wasn't at Valentine's Day when he saw the license plate that wasn't what it was He said I actually didn't care

That's it. Why are you searching? Why are you? That's the? Why are you looking for public records? That's not a thing that a man that doesn't care does, bro. Nope. Come over. I'll show you guys that don't care. I've never gone anywhere at one in the morning to search for anything. I don't care. Not searching for shit.

That's some shit my mother used to drag me to do when I was a little fucking kid Yeah What she'd be going out with this one or that one we have to go at fucking midnight to some guy's house so she can Drive by to see whose cars in the garage and all that shit You know how many times I fucking did that with her and my aunts and all this bullshit dragged me out in the middle of fucking night And you're breaking up watch porn and beat your dick raw. That's it walk Do that shut the fuck up about anything else bed with Vaseline deck. Yeah, you'll be you'll have the surgical compression pants on

So his lawyer said She's got an excuse for him That she didn't care. She said quote I mean if I'm good if I'm gonna be checking out my husband's new girlfriend, I'm gonna be doing it late at night after my kids are asleep. Or any other time during the day. You're gonna go walk down, you're gonna leave your sleeping children in the house and stalk your ex

and then get information and look it up? I don't think so. So the interviewer said, so it's just a coincidence that the night you see that prowler at the next door neighbor's driveway and his truck is there, it's just a coincidence that minutes later Tim is doing research on the VIN number and the license tag. And the lawyer says that's not Tim in that video. Okay, then did that person tell him about the tag in the VIN because he looked it up minutes after whoever the fuck shadow

Person was looked at it. So what are we talking about? They said what about the searches that were found in Tim's phone The lawyer said there's no date or time as to when those searches were done So we don't know if they were actually done before the murder and we don't know if they were done after the murder But the state is saying that they do have a time stamp on it and it was minutes later. Maybe you should ask them for discovery because they seem to have it.

Yeah, they have a lot of shit. Well, he hasn't even been arrested yet. Oh. They're collecting evidence. They're just interviewing him, interviewing the lawyer. So they end up searching a lagoon. Apparently, Tim is listed as co-owner of TBRK Properties LLC, the company which owns a trailer park,

the Timber Ridge Mobile Home Park on East State Street, east of Quincy. There's a lagoon there, so the police are in a boat searching the lagoon for, the murder weapon is really what they're looking for. So they said they use strong magnets to comb through the water looking for metal looking for a gun That's then there's Yeah, that's fun shit so oh especially in some lagoon by a trailer park imagine the shit you're gonna pull out of there

Holy crap so the whoop device now It shows that the whoop was paired with a smartphone He described the whoop armband as a battery powered wearable device that uses a Bluetooth connection to send data to a paired Smartphone that is then transmitted via the internet to your whoop account So this is the timeline of events. Morning of February 14th, 2023, which is when that, when the VIN numbers and everything were happening.

At 12 a.m., Tim's whoop device disconnected from his phone. At 12.37 a.m., the camera recorded an individual walking up Becky's driveway next to Becky's house. At 1 10 a.m., the whooped device reconnected to his phone at the same time his laptop was being used to search for information about Johnson's truck. Wow. Not good. No. Morning of February 21st, 2023, at 1244 a.m., his cell phone screen locked, which meant the phone was not being used at 1245 AM. The whoop device disconnected from his phone at 1 AM.

The bus garage camera recorded a bicyclist heading toward the direction of Becky's house at 1 17 AM. The bicyclist passed the camera headed north at 1 41 AM. He passed the camera headed south, going 41 a.m. He passed the camera headed south going back to the house at 156 he passed by the camera headed north at 211 the whooped device reconnected to the phone at 5 30 a.m. the phone was unlocked so he's leaving his phone behind to go do things yes yeah exactly he's leaving his phone behind because he knows that's going to track him. That will track, yeah.

Yep. So if he leaves at home, then it's different. Now the morning of February 22nd, 2023, his whooped device at 12.45 a.m. disconnected from his phone. At 12.50 a.m., his cell phone screen locked. At 12.57, the bicycle is passed by the garage at 105 The camera showed someone in the driveway next to Becky's house at 110 the bicycle is passed the garage headed north at 115 The defendant's phone is unlocked or Tim's phone is unlocked and at 116 a.m. His whoop is reconnected to the phone

At 139 a.m. His phone is locked again and the whooped device disconnected from his phone at 1.46 a.m. The bicycle is passed by the bus garage headed south at 1.53 a.m The camera recorded an individual in the driveway next to Becky's house at 2.08 a.m A bicycle is passed the garage heading north at 2.19 a.m. The whooped device reconnected to his phone So he's been doing this every night is what that says. These are the days before the murder. Yeah. Yes, he's making sure of what's going on

and times and shit. And he's keeping track of the calories he burns while he does it. That's super fucking scummy. He's like, I wanna lose a couple of pounds while I'm doing this. That's why I get in a bike, man. Just to keep track of my heart rate.

Jesus. So the morning of February 23rd, 2023, that's when the murder happened. 1236 AM, Tim's whooped device disconnected from his phone. 1238, his phone was locked. 1255 AM, a bicyclist passes the bus garage headed south. The bike did not have reflectors. There, by the way, we know that her phone tried to call 9-1-1 at 1 11 a.m at 116 a.m. The bicyclist passes the garage heading north at 2 0 1 a.m The whoop device is reconnected to his phone. This man is just driving himself crazy This is fucking insane, man. This is insane

So they said by the way when they looked over his entire history with the whoop device, besides this February 15th through this period, no other times that he's ever had that was the device disconnected from the phone for a significant duration. That wouldn't just be like a Bluetooth hiccup or something. Just for that time, yeah. In other words, the only gaps in the device were those that they identified as having occurred on February 14th 21st 22nd 23rd

all the same Of course Corresponding with these same exact times that a man on a bicycle's seen on cameras going up to this house So then they asked him about the family feud joke. What about that? Yeah, if you're so happy So the lawyer said, quote, it's a game show. It's a silly answer to a silly question on a silly show. Doesn't make one a murderer. Standing in front of a man in a silly suit. The whole thing's silly. Yeah, but sometimes people say truthful shit and many a many a joke is was that

Every joke there's a nugget of truth in there truth. Yeah, that's why it's funny True. Yeah, or it's got to be completely not true and then it's absurd at that point but either way those are the that's what you got to do and yeah, and maybe and maybe you just Freud would have a field day with this whole thing is the point. Maybe he just blurted some shit out that he really meant and it happened to fit. Happened to be bad luck, who knows. March 23rd, 2023, he's arrested finally.

So a month later it takes them to arrest him. The prosecution here is pointing out that on the day of the murder, hours before anyone except her killer knew she was dead, Tim brought a Little Tykes basketball hoop over to his father's house. What? Little Tykes hoop, because he's got a five-year-old. So think about that.

Those kids have not been allowed to go over there and see him unsupervised, but now that day, that morning, he's bringing a hoop over like the kids would come over and- I don't got anything to worry about now. You're going to see these kids. So the prosecutor said he's doing that because he knows Becky's not gonna be a problem anymore. Becky didn't want those boys around Ray. And in Tim's mind, that problem was solved

because Becky was dead. When Tim was arrested, he was ordered held without bond. He had a right to a speedy trial, as we all know from the Lori Vallow thing. If you press for that, you're gonna get a trial a lot quicker. He had a right to a speedy trial, as we all know from the Lori Vallow thing. Yeah. If you press for that, you're going to get a trial a lot quicker and you don't think but you're also not going to have a lot of time to mount evidence either. So to prepare for a defense.

So that meant the prosecutors would be required to try the case within 90 days of the arrest, which is really quick. The prosecutor said we are going to be ready come hell or high water. That's so close to that, Miss Sip. It's so weird. Oh shit, never mind, I guess come hell. We didn't realize it was raining so hard outside. You're gonna have to get a high water boat. So the prosecutor also said, juries expect a confession.

They expect that DNA evidence says that it's one in 500 million. We're going to have to show them that's not what we have here. It's true. Lawyers used to be like, if they didn't have an eyewitness back in the day, they wouldn't convict. Whereas an eyewitness is the worst evidence possible. You couldn't have a worse evidence than an eyewitness.

But that used to be a thing. Now they want DNA evidence. They want someone on camera murdering someone or else. They don't trust it. You can get data that you were going 24 miles an hour and fucking reverse in your car. And the people are like, I don't know. I didn't see it on a camera.

Or it was the US. The audio's not exactly where the car said it did that. I don't know, man. That's what happens. So it's weird. So anyway, he's arrested and they expect a confession. Now, he's gonna do a 48 hours interview. That's where all of his quotes came from.

And he insists he's innocent. Dude. He said, I'm innocent, I didn't kill Becky. If it weren't for the goddamn whoop. This fucking whoop. Why did I need to be so fit? Why? Well, why does it need to be named such an appropriate?

fucking thing And be accurate Whoops you fucked up and murdered someone now you're caught asshole Shit idiot god damn it so his attorney continues defending him in public This is for the prosecutor said and in the defendant's house public. This is for the prosecutor said, and in the defendant's house, this is on 48 hours, we found stacks of Aldi bags. He had fired through an Aldi bag,

either in an attempt to muffle the sound or to catch the shell casings. Yeah, both probably. The prosecutor said, in that process, DNA was left behind on a piece of plastic, and that was the one where it's more likely Tim than nobody else, but that's not really, no jury's gonna take that as anything.

Also, Tim could not be excluded from DNA that was found under Becky's fingernails as well. Okay. But they said that could have been one of her kids too, because they have his DNA, and they said it's the male contributor to that. So they said that was three times more likely to have come from the defendant or a male relative

from the lineage of the defendant, which is his kids who live with her. Who, yeah, exactly. Three, exactly. So wow. His lawyer says this case is dripping with reasonable doubt. Casey Schnack is this lady's name and she's got the hugest balls I've heard of anybody here.

She says the evidence is far from definitive. This is her, they said why does he have all these Aldi bags and finding the Aldi bags by there. She said quote, everyone in town has Aldi bags that they're hoarding. What? What? Why?

Does everyone live in an apartment and have a dog? Otherwise, they're not fucking hoarding these bags. Yeah. What kind of hot item are these? Aldi plastic shopping bags. Are they that thick and durable? Are they like Target bags? Like they're thick and nice?

Yeah, they're fucking like. Target's got those good ones, man. Seven sheets of paper thick. They're so thick. They're great, man., yeah nothing, any other, you go to Walmart and buy something, it's all broken and ripped out by the time you get to your car. You put a Target bag over somebody's fucking head,

they're not gonna be able to tear a hole in that. They're going down. They couldn't chew their way through that shit, they're going down. Holy shit, so they said yeah, everyone in town has Aldi bags that they're hoarding, they could have come from Becky's house. Okay.

Or anybody else's. Except there weren't a fucking stack of them in her house. And they said with DNA from him? Yeah. And she said well, because they transferred stuff back and forth for the boys in Aldi bags. Oh, so. You know, the dirty clothes you bring and that's okay. Alright.

They said there was DNA found under Becky's fingernails and his lawyer said yeah And it was just as likely to be Tim's as any one of the boys. So what are we talking about here? So he's charged with two counts of first-degree murder and one count of home invasion. Oh, yeah, cuz it's not his home anymore It's not his home anymore. So the trial starts and this is amazing the prosecutor anymore. So the trial starts and this is amazing. The prosecutor, Joshua Jones, has a beef with the judge, a pre beef with the judge. Well, the judge has a beef with him, I should say. In January of 2022, so, you know, year and a half before this, Joshua Jones, the prosecutor was in this judge's courtroom when he took the bench before any case was called. The judge made the following statements and open court to the prosecutor.

Quote, Mr. Jones, you may leave the courtroom. Mr. Jones, you may leave the courtroom. I don't get on social media, but my wife does, and she saw the thumbs up you gave to people attacking me. I can't be fair with you, get out. Get out. You're not trying this case because I can't be fair with you

because I wanna punch you in the dick right now. So that's fucking amazing. That's hilarious. They ordered him out as when, as he was still sitting at the council table, a bailiff came up and said, you gotta go. I'm gonna fucking drag your ass out. So he said, the prosecutor said he wasn't sure

to which social media post he was referring He noted that there had been several social media posts about the about a case leading up to that day And one post was from a victims advocacy group that made a post on Facebook that said hold rapists accountable Because he felt like holding rapists accountable was part of his job as a prosecutor. He liked the post How about you don't need to be on social media. You don't need to do that. How about that? Yeah, but I mean, that one seems like,

I mean, what a bold stance to take. You know what I mean? Like, who the fuck doesn't wanna do that? That's stupid. That's what I mean. Oh, like that, yeah. Oh, wow. I'm gonna dog pile on this shit. You're dumb So anyway, they got him back they get him in the same room and they ended up

Getting an apology out of the prosecutor and they accepted it and then they tried started trying cases before him again So this is the same prosecutor and judge that we're dealing with in this case So here are the opening statements here, a bit from them. The prosecutor says, the last minutes of Becky Bliefnick's life were not in the arms of her children. Jesus Christ.

He said Becky had texted a family member, saying if anything happened to her, it was Tim. Tim told Becky she would not get his money as the two were going through a divorce. And he also said all the bullets were fired from the same gun Describing the last moments of Becky's life in his opening statement saying the defendant looked down at Becky and he pointed a gun at Her and he pulled the trigger Said shell casings were found near her body. There's numerous objections from the defense by the way during the opening

Which that's that's a strategy that some lawyers don't like to object during statements because it makes you look like you're trying to shut the other person up and not let them get their point out and juries don't like that. But if it's going beyond the scope of, you know, if you're fucking your client more because they're saying shit that's not in evidence or something, then you got to. So it got to be so many objections that the lawyers and judge had to go have a sidebar in chambers to talk about it. The prosecutor said before stepping into the chambers, the prosecutor said 27 shell casings

were also found in Tim's basement. He said they matched the type of casings found near the body. The prosecutor also says that Tim's internet search history includes how to use a crowbar, how to make a homemade silencer, police response times, how to open the window from the outside, using a crowbar and how to wash gunpowder from your hands. Yeah, basically a basic fucking murder walkthrough I'm looking for. You know, you look for video game walkthroughs on YouTube. He's looking for a murder walkthrough. Yeah, I'm always looking for cheat codes for NFL blitz or something. Yeah, yeah, for your arcade thing. Yeah, how do I go? I'm sitting here, huh? And Red Dead?

How do I get into that world without having to go through the whole thing? Oh, I gotta go up to the mountain and stand there If you stand there while they shoot yeah, you would arrest you then it's okay And you go to that other world big head no black water. Yes our same thing same shit same shit Fucking code for contra for unlimited lives. Same thing. So the prosecutor says, Tim climbed onto the second story of the home, busted through the window using a crowbar

and shot her 14 times, leaving her terrified, bleeding and alone. Saying that leading up to the murder about a week before, a person seen in video riding a bicycle from the direction of the defendant's house to the direction of the victim's house, laid out evidence of the whoop and everything else, saying that that points directly to Tim.

Starting out with odd pieces of Aldi bags, they told the jury they found stacks of Aldi bags during the search of his home. And he said he had fired through an Aldi bag, either an attempt to muffle or to catch the shell casings. The prosecutor said she showed weakness to a predator and that's what predators do. When they see weakness, they attack.

And they said that also explains the point of entry and upstairs window in one of the kids' bedrooms. The prosecutor said, if you're a random intruder, why do you go to the second floor window? You go past not just one window, but three windows that are possible entrance points. Go to the sleepiest one. Yep. You just happen to get lucky that it's a little boy's room and that he's not there that night.

Wow. You have to know that. You have to know that. Exactly. So the defense attorney here, Casey Schneneck, begins her opening statement here. Yeah. And she said, listen, this case is quote dripping with reasonable doubt. Why do they always do it? Tripping like blood or jizz or other things that makes you think of this

woman died with not a drop in her. Why would you say it? How about the episode? It's like every episode pretty much they do it. They can't help it. I don't know what it is. They say help it man, and He said they also she went on to say just because they were going through a contentious divorce That doesn't mean that he killed her lots of people go through contentious divorces They said that I discount all this evidence saying that the experts opinion considering the shell concerning the shell casings is quote subject to human error Well, I mean everything is subject to human error. They're saying ballistics match that subject to human error

Yeah, and then it matches something else Which at that point it's your job to bring in an expert to say it doesn't match that you can't just go well You could be wrong right? I mean that's not a defense She suggests also to the jury that everyone in town has stacks of Aldi grocery bags in their house. That's not incriminating So if you have a few people who don't have several hundred plastic shopping bags in their house, they're like we all have Stacks of these things. What are you talking about? I wonder if Aldi made this the reason that they don't have, because you have to bring back,

the one by my house at least, you have to bring your own bags and you have to pay a quarter for their fucking cart and then bring it back. And then you get your quarter back. New York, that's all the grocery stores with the quarter. And here, they don't do plastic bags at all here. The only one in Arizona that does it.

Yeah, only like little convenience stores do plastic bags here, because they're not supposed to. They don't think plastic bags at all here. The only one in Arizona that does it. Yeah, only like little convenience stores do plastic bags here, because they're not supposed to. They don't think it's legal. So yeah, everybody else does paper. People bring their own bags. They sell the insulated bags too you could get. I choose to believe that all the shopping places just don't want to be tied to a murder anymore.

I think so. I think that's gotta be what it is. That's why whoops aren't for sale anymore. Are they off the market? You can't buy it on Amazon, it's unavailable now. So she also pointed out that the bike that was found doesn't have Tim's DNA on it and she says prosecutors can't even say for sure whether that bike that was found is the same bike from the videos.

Never mind a bike that Tim was on, you can't even put him on the bike and you can't even say from the videos that bikes even is she says bags on his hands we don't know you never know it's a on his head maybe she said that it's not Tim in the videos she told the jury you can't tell who's on the bike from the videos she said the evidence will show will not show beyond a reasonable doubt that he committed the murder She said there's a lack of physical evidence. No murder weapon. No bloody clothing and while police seized Multiple pairs of Tim shoes. They were unable to match them to a partial shoe print found at the scene

They said they took every pair of athletic shoes that they thought would be a match and they didn't find any that were a suitable match She points out that Tim's DNA was not on the patio chair as well. She said nothing on that was connected to Tim. They took every pair of gloves from his car, house and they could not find none of those had anything linking him to this crime. She says she believes investigators should have given more weight to the idea that it could have been an intruder who killed Pecky in a break-in gone Wrong she points out that investigators never found shoes to match the partial shoe print, which she could have thrown out I mean, that's I mean that seems like something you didn't have to Google

In garbage or a lagoon, thanks Google thanks She said you can't say Without with a reasonable degree of certainty that any that he is on any of the person on any of those videos is him All you see is a bike without reflectors So what the fuck? Investigator should have given one other weight to the other shit She also pointed out that there's no date or time as to when those searches on his phone were conducted. She said they could have been done after the murder.

Which, why the fuck would you search that shit after a murder? That makes no sense. She said his DNA wasn't found on the bike and we don't even know that the bike, we don't even know that the bike that was found is the same bike in the video and we don't know if it was him on the bike, so who knows?

Becky's sister Sarah testifies here. She said that Becky often posted on Facebook about her sons. The prosecution asked about texts from September 2021, and that's the if something ever happens to me text that she gets to read out loud. And Sarah's all choked up about all this shit. I can't imagine.

The defense asked her when's the last time she saw Tim. She said she hadn't seen him since 2019. Years. So three years before the murder even happened. Yeah. She lived in New York too. She didn't live around here. She said she's never witnessed Tim and Becky fight. And when she talked to her mom February 23rd,

she said her mom didn't know anything aside from the fact that Becky died. She, yeah, she said that she did not forward the text messages to her parents or police before Becky was killed. That wasn't the point of the text message. It was, because the defense tried to say, well if you were so concerned,

why didn't you send these texts to your parents or the police? I wasn't concerned, she was concerned. Yeah, she was concerned and it was six months later. So by then I thought maybe the concern had waned. And she did take them to the police she did go to the police and they told her there's nothing they could do about it. Well Becky did. Yeah they're talking about the text that Becky sent Sarah saying if anything happens to me it's Tim they're saying Sarah before the

murder why didn't you go to the police with that because it's not your responsibility it's Becky's. That doesn't do anything. Yeah exactly. Well then tell her to come in with evidence, which she already did, and they told her no. Tell her to stop on by. So then they get Ted Johnson on there, and he said that she was looking forward to being alone. He talks about texts on February 14th, and that he spent the night at her house, and

he parked behind her house near the driveway. They said, did you and Becky have sex that night? And he replied, yes. They said that on February 23rd, Becky's sister messaged Johnson to ask him to call. She broke the news about Becky's death. He said he was not exclusively dating Becky, but he wasn't having sex with anyone else. He testified he was holding a bag for Becky in a safe. He said he didn't know what was in it and when the defense asked him if he knew if he knew

$13,000 was in the bag he said that he didn't have a key to Becky's house and he doesn't know. He said that the day before Becky was killed he didn't go to Becky's house. He said the night she was murdered he doesn't recall if he left the house house before he said he had gone to a friend's house that night. So the defense really jumps on that as, oh, he doesn't know where he was. So then they get the crime scene people here and they testify that gunshot residue can be washed off with soap and water. And they said, it doesn't take much, does it? And they said, nope, not at all. They said, and it be after about six hours, it becomes less likely to be able to test for it Anyway, just because it's wiping on other things

They said that as your sweat will get it off and they said that they found how to wash gunpowder from your hands and in search history a Pair of gloves they found they said the gloves were not tested for gunshot residue More photos of gloves were shown in court One pair was seen tossed in a trash can They seized these gloves on march 1st and they said that too much time had passed from when the gloves were collected from the murder Until now to have the from the murder to have it tested Also, they tell the prosecutors tell the jury that police found this crowbar in Tim's basement

Then they call an expert to the stand who testifies that she compared it to the tool marks left on the window that was Pried open at Becky's house their microscopic consistencies But she couldn't say with scientific certainty that the crowbar made those marks. It's not a bullet. It's not there's no ballistics here so the defense here, they, when asked about this later on, they say when the defense had its turn to call witnesses, it chose to call none. And they asked his lawyer,

you could have brought in your own expert to say those things didn't match. They're gonna rest on what the fucking yeah state Dude, that is great evidence. That's yeah, they're just gonna go but we felt they didn't prove anything like huh? Well, yeah, it's always a lot here. Your whoop tells them everything So they said why didn't you bring your own expert and and the defense attorney says hmm I guess we could have but we were strapped on time and funds. We couldn't afford it.

So they said, you've got a man's life on the line. And the defense attorney said, and he didn't want us to do that. He didn't want you to put on a defense. I don't think he did. I doubt that. So they might've told them what it costs. Who knows? So during closing now, before they arrested the case

they said they dropped the Spent shell casings bomb on the jury there and an expert testified that they determined that they were All fired from the same gun that killed back That's not good So the prosecutor says each time each firearm leaves its own fingerprint on every shell casing that it fires, it was the same gun that killed Becky that fired these shell casings

that were found around in Tim's residence. The defense said, that's the expert's opinion. At the end of the day, it's subject to human error like anything else. Okay. Wow. They said, now additionally the elephant in the room the Google searches. The state

did not tell you when those were done that they cannot tell you when those searches were done and they cannot tell you who did those searches. If those searches took place before Becky's death, I would admit it should be considered by you for whatever that's worth. But they can't tell you that. Nobody can tell you that and you're not allowed to

guess. If these searches took place after Becky's death and then the searches, then the searches should indicate there's nothing more than the defendant looking into the investigation. Like half the town did. Well half the town has garbage, has LD bags and they all looked into this case as evidence real intricately and following the investigation as the news allowed us to follow the evidence. But they can't tell us when those searches were done. And it's not my job to tell you or prove to you when they were done.

These searches indicate nothing more than somebody looking on the internet. I think it's for murder shit. That's what yes, you need the second half of the sentence for murder shit She then got said I think it's logical to do even if something like this were to happen to your family But the state wants you each and every one of you to speculate and the state wants each and every one of you to guess When those searches took place? All right prosecutions got a rebuttal and it's funny The defense says maybe the searches were done after Becky was found murdered.

One of the things about this trial that's been complained about is how tight lipped we've been. Information has not been released to the public and that's true too. They were releasing it like unsealing shit like real gradually. They said if he was searching for this information after Becky was murdered, how did he know that a crowbar was used? He just got lucky and guessed? Yeah. He said nobody knew that crowbar was used. That wasn't released to the public. That's big. They said nobody knew that a window was

used. That wasn't released to the public. Nobody knew that the neighbors didn't hear shots that an improvised silencer made might have been used. That wasn't released to the public. None of those things wasn't released to the public. None of those things that were released to the public, but they all appeared on his phone. Yeah, he's searching all those facts. All the things we didn't tell anybody about. And wow, he also said, the last point I will make is this, and it goes to the searches on his cell phone.

The defense says maybe the searches were done after Becky was found murdered. One of the things about this trial that's been complained about is how tight-lipped we've been and that's that part. Okay, so Interesting there. So yeah, it all appeared on his phone now the verdict here after all that Five hours of deliberation. It's pretty quick, right? Yeah, that's pretty quick, but it's not first vote quick. Maybe it is. No, maybe it's not first vote Yeah, unless they had to go over stuff, because sometimes you'll get like with the Lori Vallow thing, it only took a couple hours

because the Lori had asked them to watch the full interrogation video and said you'll get, so they sat and watched the full interrogation video. That was most of the time they were deliberating was just that, and they were like, oh, there's nothing else on there that we didn't see. Okay, yeah, guilty. We got it, we nailed it.

So five hours of deliberation, They were like oh, there's nothing else on there that we didn't see okay. Yeah guilty we got it we know so Five hours of delivery of deliberation they find him guilty of all charges got it got him When the jury began deliberating they took a vote and there was a not guilty Real someone voted not someone needed to be talked into this for five hours what? Unbelievable someone really wanted to kill his wife someday and he's like, look. What the hell? I wear a Fitbit and hate my wife. We can't convict this guy, right?

Oh boy. Wow. So during sentencing, they bring in the victim impact statements and Becky's sister said, "'Tim orchestrated the worst possible horror for my father It wasn't enough for him to be for him to murder my father's daughter He had to have him find her and let that be the image in the last thing that he had of her

Yeah, the father found her. It's horrible. They said your children's future will forever be impacted by your crime They're already suffering. Maybe you should have googled childhood PTSD in between your internet searches for homemade silencers and VIN numbers. Boom. That's a good fucking that's a good victim impact statement there. The brother in law, this is that Sarah's husband said that, uh, did you think about 12 year old? I won't use his name because they're all still minors.

They've had enough fucking problems. Nobody needs their names out there Did you think about 12 year old blank as you broke through his window? Did you think about 10 year old blank as you charge down his hallway? Chasing his defenseless mommy in route to slaughter his entire world On August 23rd on August 11th, 2023. I asked this court to show the same mercy He showed Becky when he left her alone on that cold bathroom floor Paralyzed from the waist down on he unable to breathe because a bullet had pierced her lung. Oh my god

the defense comes in and Says listen you should consider his behavior prior to the murder Yeah, what are we talking about here? She said he's got a college education full-time employment Financial stability and a clean criminal record before making one bad decision That shows that he had to go extra far out of his way to get there then that makes him worse. Yeah If he's a guy who's like had a horrible life and no education, been in and out of prison, I go, let's not a far jump for him. I get it.

But this is like, you really had to want a murder to do this. And like the, the, the way it was done, if the, if you've never done anything ever, and this is the first thing you're doing, this is so crazy. Yeah. This is a horrible thing. Yeah. You've been storing this up in your whole life and you're doing this is so crazy yeah yeah you've been storing this up in your whole life and you're fucking you're gonna destroy your own children's lives this is your crazy crime one what the fuck dude so the defense attorney said the judge of the court which is the judge cannot ignore the things that Tim

has done in his life that were positive. Great. Well, the judge had an option of sentencing him to anywhere between 45 years in prison and life in prison without parole, anywhere in there. So the judge says, Mr. Blind, uh, Bliefnick, you researched this murder, you planned this murder, you broke into her house, and he actually said this, you shot her one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 times.

He said loud. Yeah. He went through it to show how many that is. And cruel that is. And another that you missed, you piece of shit. You piece, you loser. Some of those shots were fired while she was lying on the ground and you did all of that while your children were upstairs at your house lying snug in their beds. The court believes that the only appropriate sentence is, you, sir, may life in prison no parole 14 times all the dicks yeah eat them all motherfucker that is a lot so any I think yeah this is this is some cold calculated so bad heat of the moment no this is they got an argument sure I mean obviously yeah he

gets in an argument that he shoots or whatever I mean, that's horrible You can't do that obviously and he should go to prison for 40 years or something But maybe that's not life without parole, but this shit is calculated and disturbing You can't leave your kids at home and go kill the man And you're you're in a contentious divorce with in that I mean in the week before your fucking trial to your divorce trial 14 fucking shots you empty the gun yeah so the prosecutor said they got to tell the Becky's mother about this yeah about the sentence and said it

was the best feeling in the world it was probably as great a feeling as when you when the verdict came down because she just said oh that's such good news thank you and she was laughing with joy she was so happy and she just said thank you thank you thank you now I can go tell the rest of the family I'm going to call them so he does sit down for the 48 hours interview it was about a month after his conviction right before sentencing is when he did it and they asked him did you ever imagine you'd be here? Yeah. And he said, no, no, never. At times it's felt like I'm watching somebody else's life

from the outside, like it can't be me. He said that the only thing I can do right now is what we are doing, filing an appeal. I have to, I have to believe the process because if not emotional, and they said, tell me what you're thinking right now. And he said, my kids, I just want them to know that I love them and I miss them and I'm innocent,

I didn't kill Becky. Dude, you can't say this. Even your lawyer was like, I mean, you know he did one bad thing. So the sister, this is Becky's sister, Sarah said, he called my dad to set him up to find her. That alone shows how cruel he really is. As agonizing as our pain is,

I want him to understand that his worst crime was against his own children. By the way, the sons live with Becky's parents who are in the process of legally adopting them. Because he's life without, so he's done. October. October 2024, he wanted a new trial. New trial.

He's there are the three reasons. The court admitted evidence that was irrelevant or not otherwise admissible New trial. New trial. He's there are the three reasons. The court admitted evidence that was irrelevant or not otherwise admissible under the forfeiture by wrongdoing doctrine, which means that if someone attempts to stop a witness from testifying via wrongdoings, the court can still use the witness's statement or evidence even if it wouldn't be allowed normally. The state argued that the testimony contained enough facts to be relevant, citing the example of the victim changing the locks and Tim searching on the internet for how to open a bar, how to bar open a door or window. So they also cited the example of not returning

the victim's gun, therefore had an opportunity to commit the crime with that gun. Reason two, the prosecutor was allowed to make representations to the jury during rebuttal argument that were not admitted into evidence or Subject to cross-examination when you do a rebuttal you know how there's Prosecution does the closing defense then doesn't close a closing after that and then the prosecution comes back with a rebuttal The things they say can only be a rebuttal to what the defense just said you can't put new shit out there now yeah, it has to be a rebuttal to what they said same thing when when you see a Re a re direct examination or a recross like that It has to be on what the other lawyer just questioned them about it can't just be like new shit

You can't save some shit for later and then pop up with it. This is Laurie Vallow's whole fucking argument They present a case they present a case and then are they with it. This is Laurie Vallow's whole fucking crazy argument. They present a case, they present a case, and then they present a case, I present a case, and then they get to rebut it, it's just not fair. Then they get to rebut it, it's not fair. Okay, unbelievable. So also reason three is that the case should have been tried before a different judge who had no relation

to the prosecutor trying the case. Now, this is stupid because the prosecutor and the judge didn't get along. It's not like they were brothers. They didn't get along. They hated each other. Just because there was an apology and an accepted apology doesn't mean that there was no acrimony between them.

That's crazy. They said a case this important should not be tried or should be tried by a judge whose career is not resting in the hands of the prosecutor trying the case because because prosecutor was testifying against this guy in a judicial review case. Who cares? Also, hearsay.

Following statements by Becky were allowed in. Yes, I absolutely worry he will try to take the kids sometime, especially if he gets awarded the custody I want. He will be pissed and do whatever he feels like doing Talking about a friend of hers being murdered Saying that to make all this crap up and blame it on me. What else is he willing to do if he'll do that? Saying I told my lawyer I either want an order of protection for myself and the kids or at least make a statement in court about what he did So it's on record quote. I'm never wanting to I'm wanting to never have my children around them alone ever again meaning his family

It's gotten to the point where I hate even going to work for fear It will fear he will secretly take off with the kids and I won't see him for a long time I don't think an order of protection will be issued because they'll say his violent outbursts haven't been egregious enough. It's a fucking nightmare. That's a whole statement on its own. And then these texts to her sister if something ever happens to me. So in response here, the appellate court ruled just as with the forfeiture by wrongdoing doctrine, a defendant's success in silencing Becky should not be rewarded by his use of her own privilege to frustrate this truth-seeking process looking inward death. If someone's gonna say a bunch of bad shit that would incriminate you, you can't just kill them and then they're not allowed to say that.

They can take those statements because you killed them to shut them up. So they said it is truce Becky may have had specific information she preferred to remain confidential under ordinary circumstances but a murder trial is not an ordinary circumstance and the jury has been made privy to the most intimate aspects of Becky's life, denied. Fuck off back to prison asshole. They have started a GoFundMe for the kids for a memorial for her and a support fund for the kids. Here. They said that she leaves behind three young children and an entire community who loved for a memorial for her and a support fund for the kids here.

They said that she leaves behind three young children and an entire community who loved her more than anything. She always envisioned herself working hands on the medical profession. So talk about all this. They said, we're thankful to everyone who's offered prayers and support. The family seems like nice people.

They don't seem like, they seem like Becky comes from a real nice family of real nice normal people and they didn't want some scumbag killing their fucking family member. That's all, none of these people are, they don't seem wacky or crazy at all. They all seem pretty much on the level. And meanwhile you got this guy, who's a murderer we know of

and his dad who may or may not only like to molest young girls allegedly. So the- The other interesting part is that like she, she clearly had some sort of gut feeling about his behavior. She didn't have any proof but she was just like, I know what I know, I know what I feel.

I know him for 15 years. This man's fucking dangerous. Yes, I knew him for 15 years and I know him and nobody listened to her, it's fucking sad. The GoFundMe raised $130,666. Holy shit. I knew him for 15 years and I know him and nobody listened to her. It's fucking sad the go fund me raised 130 thousand six hundred sixty six dollars yet out of the two hundred and fifty thousand dollar goal This is one point two thousand people have donated work So I think the family feud thing helped because we've got a good little hook for it

She poor Becky is buried at Cavalry Cemetery in Quincy, Illinois. So, her hometown. So, there you go everybody, that's Quincy, Illinois. And just a giant asshole. Tim's an asshole. If you're going to be one of those guys who's not a criminal or anything like that, don't be a fucking murderer. And then if you're going to be a murderer, don't do it that way.

It's just disgusting. Eww is right. Kill her? What is wrong with you? You're not a murderer, man. Don't murder. No! If you murder her, you're gonna be a murderer. But there's bad ones too, man. And then people will call you a murderer.

Yeah. And this lady didn't deserve, she didn't deserve to be murdered. There's just no, she did nothing except, he filed for fucking divorce. She didn't even file for divorce. You're on your way out, man It's almost done. I went out of this. He's, she said let's get counseling and he's like I got a killer. Like what the fuck are you doing? He must have been having an affair or something but that never came up. I would assume they would have found that

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