Small Town Murder - #598 - Cookies Solve Murders - Stowe, Vermont

Episode Date: May 23, 2025

This week, in Stowe, Vermont, a young woman trades in the corporate city life, to hopefully spend her time as a "ski bum" in the Vermont mountains, but disappears, while enjoying the outdoors. Her bike is left, leaning against a tree, while she was nowhere to be found. Eventually, detectives not only find her body, but figure a lot out, due to the cookies she was eating. Then, they link the whole thing to a man, who was under their nose, the whole time! This leads to a huge change in the way the state deals with DNA!!Along the way, we find out that maple syrup is a beverage in some places, that you should really watch where you leave cigarette butts, and that if someone's DNA is found on/in a murdered woman, they have a lot of explaining to do!!New episodes every Thursday & Friday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Let's go on a trip, shall we? We're going to Vermont this week. It's a nice place. Vermont, yeah, it's some ruralness up there, mountains and the rolling hills and things. This is north central Vermont, it's Stowe, Vermont. Have you ever heard of Stowe? I have not stow is kind of in the northeast It's a famous ski area. Oh, like you'll hear rich people going like well, we're going to stow for the weekend

Like that's like yeah, they're going up there to ski for a while like rich people from New York City or Boston say that they go We're going to stay with this weekend. So it's one of those. It's about two hours and 15 minutes to Montreal. That's the closest major city. About three hours and 15 minutes to Boston. And then about two hours and 15 minutes to New Fane, Vermont. Our last Vermont episode, episode 546, Stairway to Heaven. It was the one with the crazy house party where the person used a ski pole as a murder weapon. Oh boy. Yeah. That's very Vermont using ski equipment to murder people ski pole as a murder weapon. Oh boy. Yeah. That's very Vermont using ski equipment to murder people.

That was a wild one. This is in Lemoil. I don't know if it's in French or what. Lemoil, Lemoil County. L-A-M-O-I-L-L-E. Lemoil? I'm sure it's Lemoil here maybe. Area code 802 population here

5,156 so not a lot of people here median household income in this town $74,065 which is right around the national average Median home price though. Oh buckle up. Hang on to your skis everybody 758 thousand four hundred dollars median Wow, yeah, that's Vermont It has a nickname and a motto Oh, the nickname is the ski capital of the east and the motto is I don't even know what this is small-town kids That's the motto

Don't do okay You're gonna attract pedophiles people don't put that up there. Don't put that. Okay. You're gonna attract pedophiles, people. Don't put that up there. Don't put that on your sign. A little bit of history here. We'll go way back in history, about during the Ice Age. This area was buried in a mile deep of ice during the Ice Age.

A mile? A mile of ice, yes. As the ice melted, Lake Stowe was formed from that. When the ice melted completely, the water from the lake ran through the Limoire River valley from there. So Stowe was chartered back in 1763, by, this is pre-revolution, by Royal Governor Benning Wentworth

of the province of New Hampshire. Vermont became a US state in 1791, so it's one of the first. It's in there. Two years later, people started arriving in Stowe, and by the turn of the century into the 1800s, their property had been sold, and the population boomed and exploded to 316. Bangin'.

Bumpin', man. Absolutely. So the early years in Stowe were all about farming and lumber. That's what it was. Most of the land in Vermont was for farming and lumber. 1700s New England, yeah. Yeah, sheep farming was big here. Really?

Yeah. It became, though, a well-known summer resort by the mid-1800s. Due to the mountain scenery, people started coming here. Rivers and such? Yup. They built the Summit House atop Mount Mansfield was constructed before the Civil War broke out. So, yeah, the big hotel, they called it, that they had burned down in 1889.

And then skiing became the main attraction in about the 1930s and now it stays that way. Here's some reviews of the town because I've never been there so let's check it out. Here it is five stars. Stowe is an amazing town that I spent most of my summers in. The people who live there are all very friendly and there is beautiful nature and outdoor activities to explore. Okay here's four stars. I love the town of Stowe, but I feel there aren't enough resources for locals.

And we get this all the time with these tourist places. I know that the town primarily functions off of tourism, but the prices are so high that the locals can't connect with each other in social settings. We hear this a lot. All the people that work at all these resorts and stuff, they have like one little bar to hang out at that has like cheap draft beers and like there's nowhere else really for them to go.

It's all fancy shit for tourists. And the tourists end up finding that shit and running us out of there. Yeah, I'm sure. So here's three stars. Well, I can see how families would enjoy living here. As a young adult, it's pretty boring if you don't do many athletic activities.

Yeah, if you don't like to hike and bike and fish and kayak and all that shit, you're going to be bored stiff here. That's what it's here for. So it would be like if you lived in Manhattan and you loved skiing and kayaking and fishing and all that, you'd be real bored there. You know, it's in your apartment. So things to do here. Well, first of all, skiing, kayaking kayaking fishing all the outdoorsy shit do that

Then they have the Vermont Maple Festival Yeah, yeah, we'd expect that The events though are interesting. I'm not a huge maple guy. You know what I mean like No, like syrups fine on a waffle or something like that, but I don't want maple flavoring on anything else. Candies, Jesus. Yeah, I'm not into that. I'm not a maple guy, just don't like the taste. So like the donuts with the maple flavor,

I don't like that shit. I don't either, that too. Even on bacon and sausage, I don't want it. Don't need it. Bacon doesn't need any assistance. It's fine. It's pure fat. What more do you need?

It's doing great. Now you need sugar too on this? The fuck is wrong with you? It's doing fantastic. What more do you need right now? You need sugar to on this the fuck is wrong with you Jesus so they have a best Maple menu contest put together a whole maple menu just the menu you just the money But they do have a maple cooking contest a maple beverage tasting No gross a maple beverage tasting, no, gross,

a maple banquet, a maple parade, a maple ambassador contest, man oh man, to see who will be the maple ambassador, a youth talent show, lovely, and then there's a teen fest mixed in there too. Ah, small town kids.

Teens in here, small town kids. In the teen fest they have axe throwing, basketball, baseball, two lane obstacle course, air frame game, I don't know what the fuck that is, air frame game? Whack a wall, is that like whack a mole on a wall? Connect for soccer and knock them down. I'm fine. Whack a wall. Is that like Mack Whack-a-Mole on a wall? I don't know. Connect for soccer and knock them down. Okay.

And then there's bands of course too. Yeah. Obviously. We have Kevin Hurchin. He'll be there. We have Conniption Fits. Oh right. They think they play like 90s music or something.

April Cushman. You can see a cowboy hat on her head. And I did. I saw the picture. Viva Las Elvis. Right. With Dan Fontaine and Memphis Sun Mafia Band. It is an Elvis... Memphis Sun Mafia Band. It's an Elvis, Memphis Son Mafia Band. It's an Elvis Tribute Band in case you were wondering. They had to put that on there. It's so funny. Maddie Ryan and the 2025 talent show winners. I guess whoever won the talent show will perform and the Fiddler's Variety Show. Just a bunch of people fiddling. This is maple Maple and then it gets worse. Yeah

Maple and bad music. So here we go. That said let's talk about some murder here now that we've set the table with the town Okay, let's talk about a young lady. Here we go Patricia and Scoville Here we go as well Patricia and Scoville Scovi LLE and she goes by Patty Patricia goes by Patty. She's born June 3rd 1963 She is the daughter of David and Anne Scoville of oh, how the hell do you say that? Canoned a Canon Daga, New York, I think

Where she's from, upstate somewhere. She grew up there in a nice household. She's the oldest of three children, and she is an achiever. This one, man. Oh yeah, she's real fastidious. She's like, she takes notes and journals and like things like that.

And in school, she's a very big achiever. She graduated in 86 from Cornell University dang not bad She traveled to Denmark twice by the way once between high school and college as an exchange student And later on during college she'll spend a semester in Copenhagen, right? So yeah, she's like cultured and smart and went to a good college and yeah, she's doing great. Her friend Amy from, that she knew her whole life growing up said she was voted most intelligent

in our high school class. So that means she's probably pretty popular too. She was called by her friend, she said that Patty is very independent and And all of this type of thing. She said she's really fun, but she's really pretty straight-laced also though So she's fun, but straight-laced like she likes to like sing karaoke and play the piano and hiking and biking and stuff like that She's not not into drugs or boozing up or any of that stuff so I She's not into drugs or boozing up or any of that stuff. So I guess they had went,

this girl had saw her, this woman had seen Patty at their 10 year high school reunion. And they had talked and this woman was living in Vermont at the time. Oh. And Patty was living in Boston. And she said Vermont sounded nice and she wanted to make a change.

We'll talk about this. So this girl says, I remember, woman, sorry, says I remember her dancing a lot, saying that Patty's very musically inclined and played the piano for years and years and years. And her parents, David and Anne Scoville, were very happy that she graduated from Cornell, obviously. That's a, you know, you're thrilled with that.

Patty was a Rotary Exchange student in Denmark during the year following high school graduation. And like I said, she spent a semester of her junior year at the University of Copenhagen as well. She majored in human development and family studies in the College of Human Ecology. And she lived in Boston, and she ends up working in human resources for Bay State Federal Savings Bank for about four years, and then she worked

at the Reese Corporation for one year, and then she said, I gotta get the hell outta here. Done. She wasn't into the city, she wasn't into the corporate, for one year and then she said, I gotta get the hell out of here. She wasn't into the city, she wasn't into the corporate, like she had an idea in her head going to college that she wanted to be, you know, whatever, but then when she gets in the corporate race and all that shit, she's like, why am I doing this?

I don't really like this. Oh, that is such a hard game to play. That's tough, man. That's the latter thing, it's tough. And she's like smart and has a good degree and things like that so she kind of probably has confidence that I can pretty much go wherever, I'll get a job, I'll be fine. So she says, and I think after talking to her friend who lived in Vermont, she said

I'm going to move to Vermont. Great. She likes to, she wanted to spend the summer biking and hiking and then she wanted to spend the winter skiing. She said I want to be a ski bum in Vermont. That sounds fun. Terrific. Do that all the time. So she does. She, by the way, she also worked with mentally challenged people and was an advocate for women's rights and the environment. She's an angel. She's doing a

lot of cool stuff. So she's doing all this shit. Around in September of 91 she starts looking in Vermont, and she arrives in Vermont to move there October 1st, 1991. She arrives in Stowe. And she has a roommate named Annette Dickinson Shue. And Annette had put an ad in the newspaper for a roommate, and Patty answered it. So there you go. These young ladies are to hook up here.

Now, it's funny because she said out of everyone in town, she probably knew Patty better than anybody else. But she said we really didn't know each other at all. She said little people know her. Well, yeah, she said we show, you know, we shared an apartment. But she said that, you know, she said that she had placed an ad in the paper looking for a roommate. Patty called her from Boston saying she'd be up in a week to look at the apartment. And this young lady described Patty as pleasant and quiet.

She called her a small 28-year-old woman and described her as short and tiny-boned, quote, so vulnerable. Short and tiny-ed I was I was ready to knock her out and drag her behind a dumpster they seem vulnerable to me that's weird I mean I don't know if women scope each other out and go she could be taken there I don't know how they she looks vulnerable she said the first week and a half Patty lived in Stowe she said that quote. She was so quiet She kept in her room with the door closed She said that she didn't know anybody locally

So she just stayed in her room and sat there so her roommate told her You know she said it was kind of out of the blue and all that kind of thing by the way patty also goes to Adult children of alcoholics meeting. I think that kind of thing. By the way, Patty also goes to Adult Children of Alcoholics meeting. I think that's Al-Anon, I believe that is called. So she goes to that as well. So- Al-Anon is just alcohol synonymous, isn't it?

No. Isn't that what it's called? No, it's that's- Don't people just say that? They just say, eh? No, it's a different thing here. Yeah, they have adult children of alcoholics and they have-

Oh, that's wild. They have Allateen, which is teen children of alcoholics. They have that shit too, so. Interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so she goes to those meetings too, and I don't know when her parents were drinking or when they weren't, or I'm not sure how that happened, but apparently somebody was drinking at some point.

But the thing is that Patty, even though she comes from a good family that's not falling apart from booze or anything like that, they're a really good family. She still sees that she could probably use some counseling in a certain area. That's, that's keeping on top of shit. It's responsible. So about halfway through her second week in Stowe, Patty and her roommate, a power, her

roommate said that Patty started to finally come out of her shell and She decided that she would attend the annual stow rescue squad benefit barn dance It's a barn dance to benefit the stow rescue squad so Talk about a change of scenery Yeah, she went from corporate Boston to go into a fucking barn dance in a matter of two weeks That's a there's no barn dances in Boston. They just don't occur very often The roommate declined Patty's invitation to go out that night but Patty decided to attend the dance on her own and When she came back her roommate said that Patty came back kind of late from the dance and said she had a great time And even met a guy. How about it? She loved it. Yeah. She's like, I had a great time.

The next morning she said, Patty was very happy. And she said for the first time, it seemed like she was having a good time being here, you know, being in in Stowe in Vermont, because it's one of those things. I think for a minute she was like, Oh, did I fuck up moving here? I'm some fish out of water. Shit. I'm lonely. I'm bored. I don't have anything to do She's also gonna move out of this apartment that she just moved into

The roommate said quote she said her cat wasn't happy here. So I don't know how the cat communicated that to her Yeah, but somehow the cat Communicated that it was it's it's Displeasure with this living arrangement sometimes they'll tell you how much they hate a place just by shitting next to the litter box. Yeah, that's weird So the roommate said she she was kind of shy she talked to her cat more than she talked to me I like Patty a lot more I Really like Patty and she's like she talked to her cat. They both shit in a box, which was weird She's really like Patty. She's like, she talked to her cat, they both shit in a box, which was weird.

No, that didn't happen. They both puked in my shoes. Jesus Christ. So yeah, I like Patty. She seems cool as shit. So October 21st, 1991. Okay, now, she was, Patty was gone the previous evening,

she went to her new place that she's gonna move into. Got it, yeah. She has the cat, stays there now, I guess it likes it better. And it's older. Cat's much happier there. So she had gone out and we'll figure out where she went last night and everything, but she returned home to her apartment that morning and was baking chocolate chip cookies and eating them.

Oh, okay. Like baking a whole batch and eating all she baked. Like, sitting around, that's a great day, man. Just fresh cookies, you're downing them. Oh man. You got the health to handle, I'm good for you. Fucking A, yeah. Well, she's so thin and bony, she needs to put on,

you know, she's getting less vulnerable. She's gotta heat herself into less vulnerability. Yeah, so she's in a great mood. Her roommate described her as giddy that morning, just eating cookies, and she was like laughing. She said she was really happy and giddy and laughing because she couldn't stop eating cookies, just kept eating more and more,

and was like, this is crazy. So then she was gonna go on a bike ride and whatever. That was her plan. After she got done eating cookies, chocolate chip cookies, she was getting ready to go on a nice bike ride and whatever. That was her plan. After she got done eating cookies, chocolate chip cookies, she was getting ready to go on a nice bike ride. So she hops on her green Fuji 10-speed bicycle. Nice bike.

Nice bike, and she's had it since she was a kid too, by the way. Oh really? This is her like childhood bike, yeah. And she heads towards Stowe Village. After that, she biked over to the Chittenden Bank on Mountain Road where she cashed a check for $56.25 and she deposited $538 in there. The bank teller that handled the transaction said she remembered seeing

Patty bike away at about 1 40 p.m. from the bank. She biked down the road down Route 100 to Moss Glen Falls. It's a scenic area on the northern edge of Stowe that she's visited many times. Now we know that she parked her bike against a tree, grabbed her yellow water bottle, climbed to the waterfall and sat on a rock where she took off her black gloves and set them on a rock and was looking at the falls. So we know that happened and no one ever sees her again. That's where her life disappears.

Poof, like that. No, that's the last time anybody saw her was riding away from the bank. Setting her gloves down, taking a swig of water Nobody saw that but we know it and I'll tell you why in a little while so Two days go by it's now October 23rd. It was a 20. Oh, she went on a bike ride before her roommate reports are missing Because they don't really interact and they have different schedules So she has a separate place so she could just be there. That's the other thing.

So she didn't realize. So she said she first called the local hospital, then the police to report her missing. And she said she didn't notice that she hadn't been home the day before because she said we have totally different schedules. And she said that, but Wednesday friends and people with whom Patty had missed appointments started calling. Hey, Patty was supposed to be, and it was like multiple people.

So it's like, okay, it's not just she blew somebody off. This is a bunch of people. So the roommate said by then it was getting weird. So she gave police Patty's wallet and some clothes for dogs to trace a scent from. And then the roommate said she wondered whether she should have even called the police. She said, I thought, oh no, what if she walks in? I'm not a paranoid person, And then the roommate said she wondered whether she should have even called the police.

She said, I thought, oh no, what if, what if she walks in? I'm not a paranoid person, but what if I've given her wallet and her clothes away and the cops and then she walks in and she's like, Hey, yeah, I met a guy and I was hanging out with him or something. I'm going to look like, I'm going to look like a real asshole here. I'm going to look like a psychopath, like single white female shit. This is, so she started thinking, oh no, what if she comes home? But by Friday, because she left on a Monday,

the 21st was a Monday when she left for the bike ride. So by Friday, the roommate was convinced that she wasn't coming back. She said she's really disappeared. She said they've called everybody in her phone book, meaning the police, trying to track her down and no one knows where she is. So police launched an investigation.

They provide local TV stations with a description of Patty and her bicycle, and they broadcast it all on the evening news. They try to get a timeline going. So they talked to Greg Ewing, who he and his wife rented the first floor of a vacation home in Stowe from a guy named Neil Hilmer, who's a college friend of Patty's. So this Hilmer guy who owns it said that he let Patty stay there in the home's second

floor whenever she wanted to. That's where her cat was and that's where she was moving to. Was the second floor of this house that he owned. So, witnesses also say that Patty slept over at that house the night before she went missing, and her cat is there, and then she went home. So Ewing, who lives there, said on October 20th, the day before she went missing,

he saw Patty's small red car parked outside and saw Patty in the house's second floor talking on the phone. He said the next morning, the 21st, when she went biking, a Monday morning, he went to work at 6.45 a.m. and her car was still there. Her car was gone when he got home at 5.45 p.m. and he never saw it parked there again.

Oh. Which makes sense, because she got up and drove it home, made cookies, and then took her bike out. Great point, yeah. So he said that normally when Patty was away for an extended period of time, she asked him to feed her cat. By Wednesday, October 23rd,

he hadn't heard from her or Patty, so he decided he should go feed the cat. That's how he knew, you know, I guess she's there. Now that same day the 23rd when they're looking for her a An elderly couple a guy named Howard Fogle, Jr and his wife said they saw a bicycle leaning against a tree and black gloves and on a rock at Moss Glen Falls that day and

A pair and a white or yellow water bottle. So this is a popular hiking area and scenic spot. So this Fogel called this tip into the police who then focused the search on Moss Glen Falls. So they come the next day, because this was at night they found a bicycle. I don't know why they were in the woods at night, but they were. So the next day, police find the bicycle, a pair of black gloves and a yellow water bottle all

Positively identified as Patty's hers Yeah on the rock is the bottle and the gloves the bike is leaning against a tree away from yeah down the way So now where the fuck is Patty where? So searchers including dogs and spotters and airplanes and everything, I mean they had everything going on, combed a three mile area that night and quit at nightfall.

More than 50 people participated, including state and local police, numerous fire and rescue personnel, and just area residents that wanted to help out. I mean, there's a missing young girl. This is a young lady. Vulnerable one, James. Yeah, she's very vulnerable.

Of a vulnerable stature. Vulnerable stature. I don't think one day a cookies is gonna change that. So two state police divers scaled the 80 foot walls at the Moss Glen waterfall to search the pools below. The Stowe Hazardous Terrain Excavation team scaled other rocky cliffs while a Vermont National

Guard helicopter and Civil Air Patrol plane circled above. This is every fucking person we can get to look for shit. All the equipment. Still, Patty is not found until October 29th. It takes them 5 days to find her. Oh no. Thinking about the misfortunes your small business could suffer doesn't seem very zen, but meditate on this for a moment. Thinking leads to preparation. Preparation leads to peace of mind. You could call it ZenSurance. Get affordable insurance for as little as $19 per month. Quick and easy,

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He's awoking the people to a true issue. Listen to Law and Crime's Luigi exclusively on Wondery Plus. You can join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app, Spotify, or Apple podcasts. They find her in a rural wooded area about 75 yards from where her bike was found. They searched a three mile radius with everything possible. They were standing right where she was the whole time. Like they were there the whole time. She was right outside that fucking war room van that they just parked there.

That's the thing. Well, she's buried in a shallow grave. Oh no. So the dogs aren't very good. We'll just say that because they would start at the bikes and go out and they never found her. So they said leaves and debris were found underneath her shirt, pants and underwear Suggesting she'd been dragged up above the waterfall waterfall and near an old logging trail Her bloody underwear were found rolled up and stretched out and her sweatpants were off center as if they had been pulled up

by someone else Okay, so yeah, and her underwear is really stretched out. They said now They said there was definitely sexual assault here the One of the people on the scene detective said this is not consensual sex. This is rape She didn't scream she didn't run because the blow to the head knocked her out. Oh No

Medical examiner determines that she died though of asphyxia Strangled after lack of oxygen He hit her in the back of the head with a blunt object quote with such force that it tore right to her skull That is what the medical examiner said they believe she was knocked unconscious, which I guess is better than Being aware of what's happening to you when you're fucking murdered. That makes the person super fucking gross. That's the other thing.

Yeah, that's what they got to thereafter. So evidence shows that hands were used to apply pressure to her nose, mouth and neck, leaving bruises, cutting off her oxygen supply and said it would have taken at least four minutes for her to die that way. So wow, they found lacerations and bruising indicating the blunt force injuries on Scovel's head, as well as neck injuries that were characteristic of strangulation and asphyxiation. They concluded that the oxygen deprivation due to manual and or ligature strangulation was the cause of death, and once she was dead, she was dragged into the woods and buried.

Multiple samples of DNA believed to be the killers are collected. Oh yeah, Dr. Eric Buell of the Vermont Forensics Laboratory took DNA samples from the semen found on her body and clothing on, in, and around. Tess showed that both samples of DNA came from the same man, but it's an unknown man. And this is 91, so DNA technology isn't great. We just know that it's the same profile.

The state's medical examiner testified, this might be the grossest sentence I've ever heard in my life. And we do a show called Small Town Murder. Yeah, buckle up. Quote, the abundant amount of semen. Sentence I've ever heard in my life and we do a show called small town murder. Yeah quote the abundant amount of semen So yeah, that's that's you don't hear that and in You don't hear semen as abundant like volume of semen normally isn't talked about

Suggested that the sperm had been deposited within hours of the death So either right around the the time, or it wasn't like a day later or something. The medical examiner additionally said that the vaginal area had been subject to trauma or injury of some sort, including tearing of the hymenal ring. So, in his view here, the nature of the injuries indicated an early reaction that suggested the injuries occurred when she was still alive The medical examiner said that it's his opinion that all the injuries to her head face and neck and the injuries to her

Vaginal area all occurred at or about the same time and at or about the time of death so Nothing before she wasn't beaten and then taken out there later. So now here's the thing. All of the, adding the, there's evidence here, they know she was dead by four o'clock. Oh? You know how they know that? Watch.

Okay, no, no, no. They said, okay, this is the detective. She loved stow, she loved the mountains, she loved nature, and she loved chocolate chip cookies. That is actually a very important piece of evidence in this case because the autopsy includes the examination of the stomach contents, which reveals the presence of theobromine,

which is a chemical found in chocolate. Now, this chemical normally is completely emptied from the stomach within four hours of consumption. It goes away. And it's still there. And it's still there. So she had to have been killed before four o'clock, because she stopped eating cookies at noon.

That's amazing. So they know exactly when it happened, which is huge. That's a huge part of this case. Absolutely. Never thought cookies would help us solve a murder, or us them solve a murder, but here we are. That's amazing. So they know exactly when it happened, which is huge. That's a huge part of this case. Absolutely. Never thought cookies would help us solve a murder or us them solve a murder, but here we are.

So they said if the chocolate had been consumed around noon when she'd been seen eating cookies, it would have been undetectable unless she died before four. And they noticed that, they said also that the autopsy was entirely consistent with her having died within several hours of her visit to the bank on October 21st. So, okay, now her friend,

they bring her friend in that we talked about, Amy Branch, that she's known since junior high, she comes in to identify the bicycle as hers, as Patty's, because she remembers it, she got it in junior high school. She described the bicycle to Stowe Police, who reached her at her San Francisco home, she had just moved out there when Patty moved to Vermont,

and she remembered the little bell on the handlebars with a picture of Mickey Mouse on it, and they said that was the clincher. That's what the bike had. She's got a Mickey bell. Little Mickey bell. And they said that was the clincher. That's what the bike had. She's got a Mickey bell. Little Mickey bell. So they said that was the clincher right there. They knew it was her bike.

So that's very interesting. And a friend of hers said they had recently gone on a bike ride with her and she pushed her bike up against that exact same tree to go sit on the waterfall. So that's a thing that she did. It was a habit. Specific tree, yeah. Yep, they said it was the same fucking tree that sit on the waterfall. So that's a thing that she did. It was a habit. Specific tree, yeah. Yep, they said it was the same fucking tree

that she left it on. And they took the person out there and they were like, she leaned it against that tree. And they were like, all right. So, wow. The friend Amy said she wished she was still in Vermont because she just moved from Burlington to California right about the same time that Patty moved

from Massachusetts to Vermont. She said, I feel totally helpless. You know, I can't help at all. They had met in junior high and they talked again at their 10 year reunion. She said what's so ironic was that this was a big adventure for her to leave Boston and go to Stowe. She wanted to be a ski bum for the winter. She was really excited and really scared about the move.

Now why the fuck didn't they find her sooner? Why? How did that take so long? Okay, that's a good question. They said that one thing, this is from a store owner nearby that they talked to in the newspaper, said, one thing I kept hearing was, it's amazing someone didn't find her before. It's not like this is some local Yokel investigation. This is a state investigation.

Apparently, they had dog teams from all over New England up there. They had the Patriot Sniffer team going on up there and I still couldn't find them. The Celtic Sniffers they called them. So the police said several factors prevented her body from being found. Those involved in the initial search including volunteers We're looking for lost or an injured person. There was no indication that there was a body that would be there They thought maybe she fell down while climbing up some rocks They thought they were gonna find her just like

Like a broken leg days or whatever a hundred whatever that was Yeah They thought they just find her like with a broken leg at the bottom of some little ravine. And she's like. Pinned up against a rock with like, sawed off her own foot already or some shit. She had to chew off her arm to escape, was the thing, how it works.

So police started with Scoville's friends and acquaintances and ruled them out one by one with DNA. Just had everyone she ever talked to take a DNA test and clear them basically. So they were like, okay, well then shit, now we're fucked. Nobody she knows. They then focused on the known violent offenders

in the area and started going down that list. Now people freak the fuck out in this town. This is a ski town, this does not happen here. This is wild shit. So dozens of women called the police department asking whether they should carry mace or guns around now, as it's safe to walk around. And many are reporting incidents from weeks and months ago wondering if there's any connection between their experiences and Patty's murder.

And one of the police captains said, it's amazing how many calls we've received from women saying they saw a suspicious person or followed by a truck or car or Were accosted by someone while walking these are just other incidents. That's that's how gross people are even in a nice small town There's stalking and groping and all this type of shit He said he told the women know that they should take extra precautions whenever going out Because the police said they have no immediate suspects One resident named Sally said I hiked up there all the time. It's really beautiful It's really beautiful

But I haven't been out there up there since Friday when I found out about Patty's disappearance My friend and I had a long discussion reviewing our habits in the woods So yeah, just what how you how we're gonna not gonna do this the same You don't go into the woods. So yeah, just how we're gonna, not gonna do this the same. You don't go into the woods by yourself type of shit anymore. So they talk about that and then they said, everybody was frightened about the whole thing. You're used to feeling this town is a safe place. Now you hear a lot of people say, we don't dare go out alone. And another woman here who owns the bookstore said she will no longer park

in the space designated for employees behind her shop on Main Street because that area of the parking lot is not lit and she's not walking back there at night. And that tells people that in this dark area there's going to be somebody when this closes. I'm vulnerable. Come get me. Yeah. She said, I have this feeling that the killer is dangerous and he may do it again. I think that she just happened to be there. He's somebody who knows that area He had to have least had to at least have had some knowledge of the mosque Glen Falls area Yeah, there's also a reward now Patricia's family pledged $3,000 from a reward fund established to help arrest and convict the person

Responsible for this and they added another thousand dollars from Crime Stoppers to it. That's nice. October 1991, now a little later in the month, on the 24th an affidavit says Detective Miriam, who's the lead investigator, said that Ronald Gabary, G-A-B-A-R-E-E, lived and worked in Stowe at the time of the murder and he had a history of sexual assault. It also recounted a conversation with an inmate named Clifford Bartz who claimed that Ronald Gabaree confessed to the crime to him in jail.

Okay, but that doesn't mean much, right? They got a jailhouse confession. It goes nowhere, his DNA doesn't match. Of course. Not him. Those are like 30% true. Jailhouse confession it goes nowhere his DNA doesn't match of course not him Those are like 30% true. They're not yeah, they're hardly ever true because they always get deals, so it's yeah, yeah So the case goes cold they've DNA test around and they got no answers and No one saw anything. It's just a cold case

Rumors start the colder it gets the more the rumors start flying around in this small town. Rumors circulate, this is the dumbest thing ever, rumors circulated that she was killed by organized crime members because she came here as a part of the witness relocation program. And they found her. That's what they're saying. Several people bought that story. Yep, that was a big rumor around town. She's just a nice young lady that worked at a bank

and wanted to ski instead. That's all, there's nothing crazy about it, not in the protection program. Oh man, so by 1993, this is October 21st, 93, two years after the murder, Lieutenant James Dimmick said that investigators will be looking at pending leads and trying to glean some new ideas on where to go with the case. In other words, we have shit. Back to square one.

We got nothing. He said she didn't run with the fast crowd, no drugs, no alcohol, nothing. She has no, she doesn't like have a crazy life where you could track down leads There are no leads. She just she hangs out with her cat Maybe the Kepler elves got her like that was our job bitch. I mean maybe the busting unions around here Maybe the cat really hated Vermont and wants to get out. It's the cat man Fucking hand knives that thing she held on the back of her bike seat and she didn't see her the whole way and then pounced on her.

Waited to slit her throat and bury her like a cat turd in the woods. She's going. October 92. They think they have their guy, by the way. How? October 92, the police chief said, we do have what we think is a hot lead. We hope it will turn out to be the perpetrator of the crime. They said it's one of many.

We hope it's the one. The police need to get a DNA sample, a court order for one to be obtained by the end of the week, but it's going to take at least a month to do that. All this shit. So they said the case will remain a priority even if this lead doesn't pan out. The lead is Neil Besser, B-E-S-S-E-R. In an October 92 affidavit, Detective Miriam said that in August 92, Neil Besser encountered a group of hikers in the Moss Glen Falls area. During the encounter, Besser acted

territorially, did he pee on things? This is my tree, starts pissing on it, leered at a woman commenting on her body Threatened to quote beat the fucking shit out of head of her and all of her fucking boyfriends all of them Okay, calm down Neil and said something to something to the effect of if you think that's all I'm capable of you haven't seen anything Okay, that's their lead. I was a guy was a dick in the woods Didn't rape anybody You ever hiked in the woods in New England that guy is on every trail. He's everywhere. This is my trail This is my trailer. I'm pissing over here. You're not coming near me. It's my tree. That's my tree right there What's wrong with you? I had the Celtics do today. They are right. It was a game for right now

Come on, you know how the seas doing Tatum Torres a toy as Achilles Tatum's heart. God damn it. It's over so The the Arthur David says that when questioned about the encounter Neil Besser Lied denying the knowledge of the location of Moss Glen Falls. He's never been there before. I've never heard of it. But he was just lying to get out of that, not out of the murder. The affidavit also said he had a history of incidents of unwelcome and aggressive behavior toward women, including death threats, but it turns out not to be him. Not his semen. Nope. So they said that basically as the years

pass, the leads become less frequent. They said they usually get one hot new suspect a year and it doesn't pan out. I think that's why they call it hot. Hot. This is my hot nut right here, Bart. So they said basically that the lead detective said he hopes to go out of state to see somebody in the next few weeks if this suspect fits the because he has a suspect that fits the Profile of the killer who was living in the area at the time

They said this is this case right now is the only unsolved murder in stow which it's a town of five thousand people There shouldn't be many fire fucking there should not be unsolved murders here They said it's one of the few unsolved homicides in the state where police have no prime suspect. It's not even a suspicion. They don't have anybody so anyway They get frustrating tips to the chief or the captain said that he's not been given license plate numbers or any Identifying information to track any of the reports of tips He said I wish these people had called at the time. Give me a license plate number Tell me somebody was doing something lewd and lascivious.

Someone had their dick out. I want to know about it. Give me a pervert. Where's the pervert? Send me a pervert. Right now. Okay. So he said, give me a description.

People need to know that they should be reporting these things God damn it. I figure they cut the goddamn it part out of the newspaper Well, they all doesn't know to report fuck specifics assholes Police have received about an 1100 leads in the last two years But they said few in recent months and they said 95% or better have been cleared So what are you gonna do? They've chased down almost 1100. God damn that's yeah, the reward is up to eleven thousand dollars now 5,000 from the family five thousand from stow selectmen and a thousand dollars from crime stop stoppers stop us crime stop us

It's not they're gonna say it. I called crime stoppers, they're gonna put up a thousand. Scoville's parents said they're optimistic that the case will be solved. Dad said, Annie and I are resigned to the fact that we're going to have the case for the rest of our lives. He said that his family will be in Stowe this month to meet with investigators. He said the police have quote,

done everything but find the killer, which is really the most important part. That's the only part. We've done everything else, guys. Everything else. We deserve some credit. These people are so nice that they're not even like, these incompetent fucks can't find shit.

They're like, they've done everything except, you know, the one thing, but that's okay. They're not even trying to be shitty. The paperwork's impeccable. Yeah. In 1994, the Federal DNA Identification Act establishes a national database of samples from convicted felons. The law is strongly supported by Scoville's parents,

who are a big proponent for it, and they lobby Vermont to establish its own DNA database. August 19th, 1996, five years. Yeah, it's been so long. Karen Karen, K-A-R-E-N-K-E-R-I-N, Karen Karen. Stop it. Someone named their kid Karen, whose last name is Karen, this poor woman.

She's born in 1966, she works for the Burlington Free Press the newspaper and she goes on this day to a new delivery person's house to help them get started Get them set up of what they do and how to do all this type of shit This guy is Howard skip Godfrey. Everyone calls him skip He's born in 47. so he's a bit older than the rest of the people in the story so far. Now, what happens here is, holy shit, little bit about Skip, by the way, just to give you, this is your newspaper guy

that this Karen Karen's going over to. He was committed to the Vermont State Hospital in 1972 for four years after assaulting and attempting to rape a female who was traveling alone. He used a knife during this attack. He also attacked two other people while hospitalized. He was convicted of simple assault in 1977 after originally being charged with lewd and lascivious conduct.

Further he was convicted of lewd and lascivious conduct in 1981 both of these crimes are described as involving assaults on female strangers lone female strangers October 13th 1997 is when he'll be arraigned on some stuff that we're going to talk about here Oh, no, this is a different one. In October of 97, right before this deal with, oh this is later, okay, we'll talk about this deal. So a year after the newspaper thing,

he was arraigned on charges of attempted kidnapping and sexual assault arising out of an incident in which he was in his car when he saw a woman walking alone. He ran up behind her with a belt in his hands, held over his head as if to strangle her, struggled with her and she escaped. when he saw a woman walking alone, he ran up behind her with a belt in his hands, held over his head as if to strangle her, struggled with her and she escaped. Oh dear lord.

This is some boogeyman shit. He lived for many years in the area where Patty's homicide took place and lived in that area at the time of the homicide as well. He lived with a girlfriend from the early 80s until May of 91, which is only a few months before the murder, in various towns around the area. In 90 and early 91, they lived together in Wolcott. During that time, he was not employed,

but would leave the house for long periods of time during the day and drive around in his car. That's not suspicious or anything like that. May 19th, 1991, his girlfriend obtained an abuse prevention order against him, removing him from their home. She claimed they had a violent relationship. He struck her, threatened to cut her head off

with a chainsaw, and attempted to rape her. Hopefully not with a chainsaw. So, while he was removed from their home, he lived with people he knew in High Park. He had his own car and continued to spend his days driving around. On occasion, he would visit relatives traveling through Stowe on Route 100, which is the exact route

that she was on her bicycle past the area where the homicide occurred. Also during that time, he gave one of the acquaintances with whom he was living a wrecker operator, that the guy was a wrecker operator, detailed directions to a remote area off the mosque, Glen Falls. So he knows the area extremely well. At the turn of the 20th century, rapid industrialization, urbanization, and political corruption were ravaging America.

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Now back to Karen. Karen, she was the district sales manager for the Burlington Free Press when she went to his home on August 19th, 96. He was about to take on a delivery route. They were going over contracts and billing procedures. 15 minutes after she arrived, Howard got a skip, we'll call him, skip got up to get a drink of water and then struck her in the back of the head with a wooden mallet Oh, dear Christ. Yeah Bleeding and feeling like she was gonna pass out. She thought she was about to be raped and killed She said quote. I had just gotten married three months before I looked outside. It was a nice day

I wasn't ready to die at that point So when she stood up and turned around Skip had a fucking shotgun pointed at her. Where'd he get that? Somewhere, he had it planned, and he was blocking the door. Uh oh. She said, okay, well, I can have whatever's gonna happen to me happen or I can go down fighting.

So she reached up and grabbed the barrel of the shotgun and started wrestling with him, which is- Oh my God, so is my god balls personified And she with they were fighting for control until he fell on top of her She at that point Pleaded with him to let her go He said no saying you're just gonna go to the cops. She told him someone is waiting for me. They know where I am They're gonna come here. It's either way it's caught. It's going to happen. So eventually she said, listen, let me go

and I won't go to the cops and we'll just forget this ever happened. I'm fine. I'm not injured. I'm okay. My head's okay. I'll be fine. And she said, as long as I got to a doctor, I just let me to the hospital. I'll say I fell down. Don't worry about it. So she persuaded him to unload the gun and then she took the shells and she he drove her to a convenience store where she called the police okay he was arrested later that evening after hiding in the woods and telling people he was going to shoot himself he had to be hunted in the woods. He admitted he assaulted her, saying quote, he went over the end. That's what he said.

He went over the end, the end he said. And he had women problems in the past also. He said he wasn't gonna kill her, that was never his intention. Just wanted to hold her there for a while. I was gonna persuade her to do other things. Holy shit, so yeah, he ends up being held on that, obviously for aggravated assault and everything like that

She said when she got there the front door was open, but they didn't see anything Or the cop said when they got to his house the front door was open, but they didn't see anyone inside They said we were concerned for Godfrey's well-being because he's threatened suicide so they said Godfrey later told the cop that he had reloaded his shotgun and went up into the woods after Karen Karen had left the house. And the cop said the defendant advised that when we came to his residence,

the shotgun was pointed at his head and the finger was on the trigger. And about 7.40 p.m. though, Godfrey called the police and told the investigator that he went over the end and admitted he had assaulted Karen and then about 20 minutes later he turned himself in at the police station. So during the taped interview he says quote the defendant advised me that he had a meeting

with an employee from the Burlington Free Press to talk about the billing process and he advised that after talking for some time he went up to get a drink of water and all he remembers his fight is Striking her and then fighting with the gun for the gun He said he told the cop that he was thinking about women and became bitter and that women tick him off in restaurants But he doesn't say anything They're like because yeah, they're asking him like when do women make you mad he's like in restaurants They go. What do you do about it? He goes. I don't say nothing Okay, real mad. Let's get real over there eating salads and shit. I don't like it

So he pleads guilty to charges of aggravated assault here and That and the other one with the belt incident too, and he is sentenced to, you sir may fuck off, six to 12 years in prison. He does five years for aggravated assault. Now, during this time, Karen Karen had heard about Patty's murder and began talking to her mother about the case, and her mother had just moved to Vermont, or I'm sorry, the case, Patty had just moved

to Vermont and was found killed, and she, the mother said, we thought he was the one. This is the exact, they were like, this could be the guy. You know what I mean? Just because whatever. So she called the police and the detective said, it was a lead, it's something. We didn't know about him before.

You're being the most Karen of any Karen ever, Karen Karen. You're Karen Karen it up, man. She is hardcore. Hi, my name is Karen Karen. I have things to say. Oh, I bet you do Karen Karen. So April of 98 Vermont joins the DNA database. The Scoville's their parents helped persuade Vermont lawmakers to allow the

state to be part of the national database system. The FBI receives a DNA sample from the Scoville killing and stores it in the national database. Then seven days later, on Mother's Day 1998, the Scovilles join Governor Howard Dean as they sign the Vermont database into law. And they said that the mom said this gives us some hope in 2000 the Vermont forensics laboratory takes a blood sample from Godfrey When they release him from prison, it's part of the thing. It was a violent felony. So they get a blood sample 2001 it's been ten years. Yeah

People want this shit solved. The police chief said it really eats me up. I want this one solved. He said in a town where violent crime is rare and random violence is virtually unheard of this story. This is ridiculous that this isn't closed. They said it's a very close community and residents say they can't go to the mosque. Glen falls area without thinking of murder. So they also said the case isn't gathering dust. The investigators said this is not forgotten by any of us who were involved in that investigation. They said it's one of those cases that hasn't been forgotten and hasn't gotten any dust

over 10 years. It's still being plugged away at. That's 2000. Five years later. They are doing a lot of plugging on this. Fuck man. February 23rd 2005 Godfrey's blood sample is finally entered into the federal DNA database. Oh boy.

February 28th federal authorities match the DNA with the semen at the scene of PADS crime. Karen was right. Karen nailed it. God damn it Karen. Sometimes Karen's are right. So, March 26th, the great cigarette butt heist. I don't know why they needed this. They had that, but they needed another source of DNA.

They just wanted to prove it. They had to surreptitiously collect saliva samples from him. He owned, Godfrey owned SG windows and doors in Orleans, Vermont. Okay. And he smoked. So after he finished a cigarette,

he threw it out on the ground, and the cops who were like in the bushes out to the side ran up and collected the cigarette butt from the ground. Stuck their hand out of the bush and snatched it up. And the saliva on the cigarette also matched samples from the 91 and 96 crimes. They arrest Godfrey for the murder. So that's a big deal.

They say that the chances of two white men having this particular DNA makeup is one in 235 quadrillion. There's billion trillion, then quadrillion. Think about that. Take that shift to court, Godfrey. Fight that one out. Wow. He's gonna have to play, right?

Well, people are relieved. They say few, if any, days have gone by in the last 14 years that someone in law enforcement in Vermont has not been thinking and working on this case. They said it took so long because there was there were so much DNA coming into that database It took so long to process and they were underfunded at first too. So they didn't have the manpower to do it Patty's dad said it doesn't really help us to focus on the mistakes right now like this. We're happy. They found someone So there's a guy from 1991 named Michael Barber

He says he and Howard Godfrey skip were really close friends. They knew each other almost 10 years They had coffee three or four times a week at the Charlemont restaurant Charlemont restaurant in Morristown or at church where they met for the first time. Yeah church He's out there begging for forgiveness Yep, and the two men who did logging bulldozing and excavation work sometimes shared the same jobs Barber said he would refer work to Skip as well. In April of 2005, he finished dinner, Barber picked up the local newspaper and saw Godfrey on the front page and saw the Patty Scoville Moss Falls thing, Moss Glen Falls, and he

said it kind of floored me. So Barber grabs his work records, which he kept meticulously over the years, even 15 year old work records, and looked up the fall of 91. The records at that time showed he had referred Godfrey to a job cutting trees on a property not far from Moss Glen Falls. Oh no.

So he contacted the police to tell them about that. Godfrey also talks to the cops. First, he said, never knew her when they show him a picture. I don't know who that is, never knew her. Then he says, He doesn't know they have your semen. Ah, ah. Well then they said, is there anything else you wanna say?

They told them, we have your DNA. And he said, I don't know her. I don't know what you're talking about. So then they said, anything else you wanna say? And he says, I do and I don't. Oh. And they said, well, we need an answer, And he says, I do and I don't. Oh. And they said, well, we need an answer, yes or no. Tell us what you don't.

Either we leave or we stay, what do you want? So he said this, he said, quote, you obviously have the evidence that I had sex with Patricia Scoville and that was my concern up there. If I admitted to you, then automatically you were gonna charge me with murder because I know that was the outcome of the situation. up there. If I admitted to you, then automatically you were going to charge me with murder because I know that was the outcome of the situation.

Well, I just admitted to you that I had sex with her, but that's without a lawyer present. I think that's as far as I should go. He did say, I can tell you one thing. I've never killed anybody in my life, even when I was in the service. Pleads not guilty, by the way. Really? Yeah, I like this description from the newspaper in court. Godfrey twiddled his thumbs waiting for Judge Howard Van Bettenhausen to enter the courtroom.

Godfrey's hands were dirty. He had a bandage on his left cheek. The tongues of his black boots hung forward without shoelaces to hold them back. Behind him, many police officers had a picture of Patty on their lapels opposite their batches. They're just wanting to kill this guy. November 2005, they fight about whether the FBI can test Godfrey's hair without extra. It's a bunch of bullshit. Yes, we'll test whatever we want.

By 2007, Godfrey's on his fifth attorney, by the way. He's booning it. He's booning it, man. So they rule that DNA evidence can be used at Godfrey's trial. However, they rule out his statements to police, most of them. They can't, the prosecutors cannot refer to his 97 assault conviction as well, but Godfrey's lawyers aren't allowed to introduce evidence that 12 other suspects may have committed the crime.

His lawyers said that Godfrey had consensual sex but didn't kill her because she loves dirty old men. That's what she's looking for in the woods even though- She wants a logger today. Ridiculous. They called the charges against him circumstantial. Oh boy. Telling the 11 man, one woman jury that the presence of his DNA on her body doesn't mean he's the killer

Okay, they also the his friend testifies in more detail His friend with the logger guy He pointing to a map of stow he testified that he showed Godfrey another 700 acre property in the Brownsville area of Stowe, just north of Moss Glen Falls in 89, Godfrey was instructed to start logging 40 acres of that property. He said that he would get to the land by going up Brush Hill Road and said it's possible to get there by going down Randolph Road and past the entrance to Moss Glen Falls. Godfrey told police that he had never been to Moss Glen Falls, which he's very familiar

with. He logged the fucking thing. Godfrey spent a wrecker there. That's what I mean. So former employer also testified that Godfrey performed excavation work at a development on Elmore Mountain Road right near Moss Glen Falls as well. So also they get a guy, Chuck jr. Here who owns Hess's used cars Yeah He said he's known Godfrey on and off for at least 30 or 40 years and that God's free has purchased used cars from his Father by the fall of 91 Godfrey had a portable sawmill set up behind Hess's used car lot where dried wood was stored This guy also has he's a volunteer firefighter, recalled how he and others were dispatched

on October 25th, 91 to aid in the search for Patty, and he said when he returned to the used car lot the next day, Godfrey asked him where he'd had gone, and this guy told him, and Godfrey just went about his business. They didn't ask any follow-up questions, didn't do nothing, so. All right.

So they asked the detective, when he gets on the stand, why did Godfrey hit her? And he said, to rape her, that's why, which is the worst, how'd the chicken cross the road joke that's ever existed. Why the chicken cross the road, to rape her. Why'd the psychopath hit the woman with the rock, to rape her? Hilarious, it's not at all.

So they said, Howard Godfrey found his prey at the viewing area, She was taken to the area where the water bottle was found and there where she was raped. A one defense witness says that, he says that he saw the gloves that day but there wasn't a bike there that day. He said I would have noticed a bicycle so someone planted the bike later, he said, or some shit like that.

There's also two stray hairs. They found two hairs on her that don't belong to Howard, which skip, which means nothing, by the way. She, she, she, hair sticks to things. Roommates who went to the bank, she's got all sorts of shit. So yeah. Now his lawyer said those hairs are the killer's hairs. What about the load of semen all over the place?

That's not the killer's semen? Yeah, I think it's more likely the semen did it is the lawyer said. They said, you believe Patricia Scoville was raped and murdered in one attack? They asked the detective and he said yes. And they said, if you were wrong in that assumption, you've made a terrible blunder, haven't you? And he said, I don said if you were wrong in that assumption you've made a terrible blunder haven't you and he said I don't believe I'm wrong here

I think I got this one here That could be a thing yeah, but I did 235 quadrillion did you hear that part? He's he's telling us that he had Consensual sex with that young woman yeah impossible young pretty woman with their life ahead of her back scumbags He's gonna fuck. Okay, so the defense in her in their closing said that That the DNA evidence pulled the the assumption that the DNA belonged to the killer was wrong and that led to a case on a house Of cards. They said this structure cannot stand. She literally pulled my cousin Vinnie out

It is not supported by any evidence. What really brings the House of Cards tumbling down is the hairs. The colored hairs were found in her mouth and pubic area and couldn't be linked to Godfrey. She suggested those are the real killer's hairs. Or they were out in the forest and they picked up with the leaves and rocks. Or they came off of Godfrey's shirt. Anything could happen.

That's what I mean It could be transferred from him from him from anybody the prosecutor prosecutor. That's the weird way to say Said he silenced her and took deliberate steps to hide the crime the only conclusion you can come to is Howard Godfrey Sexually assaulted and murdered Patricia the proof is this case is well beyond a reasonable doubt and the jury only Deliberates for two hours and find him guilty of aggravated murder. During the sentencing, Patty's dad said, why? How could someone do this to another person? Why Patty?

That was my little girl and you raped and murdered her. And the judge says, well, you, sir, may fuck off life without parole. Eat all the dicks. And the family said, I think Patty would be happy that there's some justice found. The police chief said that, you know, holy shit. He said, I could have sworn we had the killer at least a half dozen times.

They said, wow, this is, they're happy. And then you look at him and you go, probably. Yeah, that's the one. May of 2008, the lab here, the lab that they do the work in, the DNA work, the CODIS laboratory, is renamed the Patricia Scoville Memorial CODIS Laboratory, because her parents were so,

well, you thought I was gonna go into, they had a bunch of scandal and all that, no, no. The CODIS lab found that a bunch of samples were mixed together. Yeah. So the mom here and Scoville said that was really a positive note to finish on to say there's a tribute to Patty. It helped us withdraw a little bit by bit. You hear people talk about closure. I wouldn't call it closure, but it does bring it to an end. Now, 2010, he appeals, arguing that his attorneys argued the case against

him was circumstantial and the conviction could not rest upon inferences drawn from other inferences. The court said, I don't even know what the fuck you're talking about. Plenty of evidence. Eat dicks. It's not circumstantial. DNA evidence is not circumstantial. That's your load. Your load's on a dead girl. That's not good. Period. That's terrible. Done. This is the worst.

2013 in prison here. This old skip here is found dead in his cell at Southern State Correctional Facility. That's great. That's terrific. Yep. They responded to a call early Tuesday morning. He's 67. He died in prison. Wow. They said it appears to be Tuesday morning. He's 60, 70, died in prison.

They said it appears to be due to natural causes and there's no signs of foul play. Unfortunately, unfortunately, no one raped him, but that's OK. Now that we know that we know of now, Patty is buried at St. Mary's Cemetery in Onondaga, Onondaga County, New York. And by the way, this Howard is Godfreyrey skip guy. There's all sorts of reddit Trails that go down rabbit holes trying to connect him to the more a Murray case just based on geography Which I mean who knows I don't know if they've checked into that or what because this is an express episode We don't have time for that shit. So either way though. This is a bad guy glad they caught him

So he's a dead guy. He's a dead guy now. So there you go everybody. That is Stovermont. What a story. A fucking crazy, cookies man, cookies. Wow. Cookies solved at all. It's all cookies, babe.

That woman had cookies at noon and he only had four hours to woo her enough to have sex with her. That's not enough time. No, fuck no. It's not enough time. No. You can't do it. She wasn't like, fuck no. That's not enough time. No. You can't do it.

She wasn't like that at all. You had a- Maximum of four hours. You needed to put like three months in, taking her out and giving her flowers before she's gonna fucking do anything with you, I think this guy. I think she's a real upstanding-

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