Small Town Murder - #599 - Madness Of A Murderous Maniac - Summerville, Georgia

Episode Date: May 29, 2025

This week, in Summerville, Georgia, a maniac is on the loose, going on a rampage of violence. These acts range from running a man over, and attempting to invade a trailer home & stabbing one of the residents. This is nothing compared to what police find, when they finally set up a roadblock. What they find, is the most horrifying thing imaginable... including a foot in the backseat, ,and a human heart, on the floorboard. This is only the start of his madness, as he acts so unhinged, that states will fight each other to rid themselves of him!!Along the way, we find out that Georgia is not in the west, that just because you say you're in The Secret Service, it doesn't mean that you are, and that you should never Weekend At Bernie's your significant other!!New episodes every Thursday!Donate at: patreon.com/crimeinsports or go to paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder & Crime In Sports!Follow us on...twitter.com/@murdersmallfacebook.com/smalltownpodinstagram.com/smalltownmurderAlso, check out James & Jimmie's other show, Crime In Sports! On Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, Wondery, Wondery+, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Thank you folks so much for joining us today on another absolutely Crazy episode as you can tell by the intro. This is pocket Robin level insane Oh, this is there's something else in this guy's pocket, and it's crazier than a Robin put it that way It's we're gonna have a whole have a whole new reference point on this week. It's wild stuff. Before we get to that, very quickly here, definitely head over to ShutUpAndGiveMeMurder.com. First of all, all your merchandise is there.

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I can't wait to have is that we had to tell the story so we couldn't really make fun of him properly this This is gonna be all mockery of this asshole, and I can't wait for it Patreon.com slash crime in sports and you get a shout out at the end of the show to Jimmy I'll go ahead and mess your name up. Absolutely. That's how we roll. So do that and that said disclaimer time This is a comedy show. It's a comedy comedy podcast we're comedians that does not mean that anything in the story is not a thousand percent real nothing is embellished for comedic effect or any stupid stuff like that everything's a hundred percent real and it's meticulously researched so we think

you like that there will be jokes yeah that's the thing but there's a way to do that tastefully that's we don't make fun of the victims we don't make fun of the victims families. Why is that because we're assholes, but but we're not scumbags There you have it's pretty easy to deal there So that said oh if you want to hear a wild story you're in the right place if you think true crime and comedy should never Ever go together. Maybe we're not for you. That's possible, but I would give it a shot to make sure one time No complaining though either way that said I think give it a shot to make sure. One time. No complaining though, either way. There it is. That said, I think it's time, everybody, to sit back, what do you say, let's all clear the lungs, and let's all shout.

Shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, everybody. Okay. Let's go on a trip, shall we? Yeah. Let's do it. We are going to Georgia this week, and by the way, I would like to say thank you to everybody in st

Louis and Chicago Unbelievable as we great crowds terrific people just a great time all around We were almost We are almost thrown into Oz while we were in st. Louis because we almost didn't have to travel. Yeah, cuz Tornado almost took us right to Chicago It was right by where we were so that was that was a little terrifying you and everything but that's okay that's all right though we were all right with it they handled it well and it was fine so

let's get right into this summerville Georgia this is in northwest Georgia way up in the quarter not to be confused with Somerville in Augusta oh there's a neighborhood in Augusta named Somerville that is apparently a really wealthy area Really? I mean Augusta is pretty expensive anyway. Yeah, they have the golf there and all that kind of thing. It's expensive to park there, so I don't know what it would be to live. It's gotta be pricey. So this is about an hour to Chattanooga, Tennessee.

That's the closest place to it. And then about an hour and a half to Atlanta. So not that far from it. And then about three and a half hours to grove town, Georgia our last, Georgia episode It was an express episode helping mom with murder Which yeah mom was an interesting lady so that was that was wild stuff. This is in Chattoga County Chattoga Chattoga, it's like Chattanooga with some letters missing It's got an oog. Yeah.

This is not a noog, it's a toog. A little bit different. Area code 706 here. They don't have a motto, I would say, but their motto would be, not quite Alabama. Yeah. Come on, give us a break. History of this town, founded in 1838

as the seat of the newly formed Chattanooga County. Nice place. I assumed that the people just couldn't spell Chattanooga It's fascinating Choices here so it was incorporated as a town in 1939 as a city in 1909 It became it was named from the fact that it was a popular summer resort. That's what they call it Somerville people came there in the summer kind of like in Florida. They have winter Haven Yeah, pretty obvious why that's named that way

So yeah, that's how that goes the lot of Civil War action happened around here Oh, yeah, this is this is where the march to the sea started. Oh was Somerville and then very far No, not well, it is pretty quick walk all the way across Georgia in South Carolina So yeah, that was there They also the biggest battle here was the battle of Tryon factory. Tryon is right next door. They're kind of like same place pretty much. This was fought in September of 1863 where present-day First Street is. Oh right downtown. Near the site of the East Tryon Church of God. Nice. That's where they it, so there wasn't much in town at that point. In 2009, the Chattoga County Camp 507, sons of Confederate veterans, in conjunction

with the Missionary Ridge Camp 63 Sons of Union veterans and several local groups erected a memorial monument to remember the first battle of the tryon factory and the soldiers who are in unmarked graves from both sides There's a yeah, they got together and you know had a nice little thing. That's nice. If they did that, you know 160 years ago Have a nice picnic and say hey, let those people go. What do you say? Picknick and say do it myself fine. Yeah. All right, I guess I don't mind Have a nice picnic and say, do it myself, fine. Yeah, all right, I guess I don't mind yard work that much. Farming is, yeah, I have to pay people? Oh, shit.

Yeah, you do. So in a side note here, a Confederate general helm was brother-in-law to Mary Lincoln. Oh, Mary Todd? Mary Todd, yeah, and was killed five days after the Battle of Trion Factory at Chickamauga, but he fought here as well. Chickamauga was another bad fight there.

That's her brother? That's her brother-in-law. Oh, okay. Which is super common. People fighting on both sides, it is very common. It has to be her sister's husband, because her brother-in-law would be Abe's brother. Yeah, well, if she had a sister and she had a husband,

that would be her brother-in-law. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that would be right. Maybe, yeah, true, so reviews of this I don't know why we got in the weeds on that one Reviews of this town here. Here's four stars the town of Somerville, George is a very small community. Everyone knows everyone That's not good. However, there is very limited activities in our town because of how small it is Right. Well, yeah

Many people ride through without so much as pass as a passing glance But this will always be my beloved hometown my quote stomping grounds if you will Hometown was enough Anymore into that and I will always be grateful for the memories and experiences I've had here wow that was exhausting three stars Somerville's an old town that is a population of around 4,000 people. I love Summerville because my mother's family lives here and after my parents divorce it was home. This is a trauma

bonded with this place. This is devolving. Wow. After living here for 12 years, it's a three star so it's not gonna be perfect. After living here for 12 years I enjoyed having my family so close I live in a predominantly black neighborhood the roads in my neighborhood have potholes in the road if ran over Could possibly damage your car whenever the city of Somerville comes to quote fix the potholes The men only paved the specific spot in nicer neighborhoods the roads roads are paved and smooth I just don't understand why my neighborhood doesn't have good roads It's expensive. It's yeah, that's that's you you just described America there. That's a

Dry any city we are in if we're in a shitty neighborhood, it's terrible roads This is the way it is and remember fucking Poughkeepsie right by me terrible road bumpy as shit go around things You really got a wheel head on a swivel man So one star summerville should be graveled over and fenced off Like a lot of an old factory Gravel it fencing off so the crack heads can't get in there. It is a filter point on the Olazapine Trail, what is that? Give you a minute. I'll give you an explanation there in a second.

Just awful. And the river is incredibly polluted. I've been an unfortunate resident for two years. Unfortunate, this is the great. It is staggering the number of Pecker Woods living jowl to jowl. It was a nightmare. That's funny.

Jowl to jowl is a fascinating way of saying it. Jowl to jowl. So close. Pecker Woods, that'sl is a fascinating way of saying it. Jowl to jowl. So close. Peckerwoods, that's, I know, I don't know how, what. There's only one reference for it. But I'm just saying, I don't know where that's a popular phrase with, because like, with Italian people, that's what they call like redheaded people, they're like hicks. They're peckerwoods, yeah.

Is that right? Absolutely. My dad would say that all the time. Like what? Like what? Look at this peckerwood. That's like a real redneck person is a peckerwood. I don't know if that's a, if like black people have a different way. I've only heard it one way and that is racist Aryan nation in the joint. Oh, saying that as a, as a point of pride.

Uh, not necessarily pride. It's just what they're called. Yeah. I know they call each other woods. Yeah. I understand that. Yeah. So that's, that's interesting. It's just what they're called. Yeah, I know they call each other woods. Yeah, I understand that Yeah, so that's that's interesting. So an explanation by the way, Olazepine trail like they said Likely refers to a clinical to clinical trials or research studies involving the anti psychotic medication Olaza Oh my god, and they needed here Psychos here's a summary of information regarding that Olazepine's been extensively studied for his for its efficacy and safety treating schizophrenia and bipolar disorder There we go clinical trials have investigated its effectiveness in both acute and maintenance treatment in both of these conditions

If you people here are crazy. Yeah, you have an Overwhelming population that's mentally ill something's wrong you guys. Yeah well that this today. It's a guy not from here But he he maybe he's drawn to it if that's the he's drawn to the mental illness and that feels it yeah People in this town 4389 so not that very people very small town Way more women than men it's like 54% women which is well out of whack of anything We usually see in the town over you know 500 people or something. Median age here's about 41 a couple years over the national average. A lot of babies, a lot of old people, not a lot in between. So the old people are having babies. We got fertile old people here.

Maybe the olazapine makes you fertile. That checks out too, why you might need a lazapine if your parents were 82. 82 years, why they would need it. And they. I'm seeing babies over here. Family are 36% married, which is well under the national average. 15% divorced, 30% single with children. Race of this town, 76.5 percent white

21.2 percent black one point three percent Hispanic, so it's white and black. It's a small southern town Religion here is under 50 percent, which is surprising for rural, Georgia, and I'll give you one guess It's Baptist. Yeah, it's 33 percent Baptist and really not much anything else here 0.0% Catholic 0.0% Jewish Has an unemployment rate slightly below the national average that is not reflected in the income here the median household income here in the US It's almost 70,000 here. It is 23,000 827 That's brutal. That's that's not a lot of money It's now cost of living here 100 is average here. It's about 72

Home cost is the lowest median home cost here one hundred fifty two thousand three hundred dollars Yeah, the American that is well you can own it you can definitely own that I mean you don't have a job That's that stuff. Well you have a job in low-end place. They just don't pay very much No money not a lot of money going on here So if we've convinced you damn it that this is the only place you can call home You need to check out some elazapine we have for you the Somerville, Georgia real estate report Average two-bedroom rental here goes for $760 a month. So very much affordable.

Kind of steep though for... Well, it's like half the national average though. Yeah, you could buy a house probably for cheaper. Here is a two-bedroom, one-bath, 672 square foot place. It's a trailer. It's tiny. It's on an acre and a half here There it I would like to show you the picture of it

It looks like the pig farm ladies place or something it is great in there that looks Looks like Phillips, Oklahoma Trailer with a with a with a with a poop bucket on the porch here This is really scary looking it is $24,000 for that and an acre or half of land also you can't buy a trailer for 20 no or an acre and a half This is both Here's a four-bedroom four bath 3559 square foot house it is on one point eight acres. Everything's got big lots here. It's not bad

It's it's a quaint red country looking house. It's really a cute little place. It's not bad at all It is you know almost 3600 square feet $525,000 for that though a little steep I think I might buy that acre and a half. You're getting a buy one get one. Knock the trailer off of there. Yeah, you're getting a BOGO. And then here is a four bedroom, five bath,

T-Ball for each and every beat hole, one leftover, 2952 square feet. It is on 56 acres. Holy shit. It's a lot of land. But it's, and the house is fine, it's okay, but it's not even 3000,000 square feet and 56 acres I don't know what you're you I don't know, but it's 1.2 million dollars for that. That's the cheapest 55 acres in the country

That's man. Yeah, the house doesn't it's weird the house just sits in the middle of this field It's so strange looking and the other one's an acre and a half with 6,000 square foot house 5000 with a phone 3600 square foot house so not bad things to do here, okay? Okay, paradise gardens. Yeah, all right. There's a guy named Howard Finster Who quote delighted in collecting and displaying his accumulation of odd objects tools antiques and curios? All right now. This is this is what he's into. Shockey man. Pretty much.

So, he really liked visiting roadside museums and seeing the unorthodox things. He liked, like, off the highway tourist attractions, like alligator farms and shit like that. Kind of a weird Americana, slice of Americana that happens in the middle of nowhere off the highway basically The rubber band ball, the giant frying pan Things like that, yeah the largest ball of twine, you know, whatever the hell you want to say So he felt compelled to celebrate the inventions of mankind and the unique attributes of individuals who felt he who he felt deserved recognition. Yeah, so in the exhibit house on his property in Tryon, Georgia

He assembled tools and curiosities that Validated his belief in his creative talents here This is this is order. So he built a park in 1961. He moved his family into a new home He took with him all of his shit and he began to construct what many thought he was pretty cool It was a plant farm museum known as Paradise Garden and he said quote I built the park because I was commissioned by God. Oh boy, that's a scary fella. The Blues Brothers are on their way to Chicago and he's putting a park in the middle of Georgia both commissioned by God. God's really busy sometimes. I tell people to do a lot of Lot of various shit here shit here

I started the garden in 1970 about a hundred feet into the backyard built a cement wall and put up a hall shed and started To display the inventions of mankind Crap yeah, it's a giant looks like a giant is a horror basically yeah He said I'm trying to collect at least one of every invention in the world. What? He's into inventions. He said inventors don't get recognition. Yeah, they do. They get tons of recognition. It's called royalties, man. Well, not only that, we know who invented pretty much every major thing.

We know who invented it. Yeah, it's in the patent office. 150. I mean us now sitting here, 150 fucking years later. I can tell you, Philo Farnsworth at the TV I get like we could name a bunch of shit Like tons of people they get a lot of credit inventors. There's also the cowboy Western Heritage Festival. Yeah Which is in Georgia who invented that? I don't know There's a I don't think cowboys and I think of Georgia and I certainly don't think Western either

Really the southeast why the hell would I think Westernboys and I think of Georgia and I certainly don't think Western either. Really? It's in the southeast. Why the hell would I think Western? It's not Western. No. No. Definitely not. But I understand the cowboy thing. How?

Really? I don't know. How? Where are cowboys from? Ranchers and shit out there? Not Georgia. No. Definitely went down there, James.

Yeah. But he had on fucking, he had on like, not cowboy boots. He had on like work boots though, different boots. And here it's very Western though. The traditional, a celebration of the Western traditions and the cowboy lifestyle. Western artisans, vendors, demonstrations of buggies, wagons, square dancing, mock old West gunfights.

This is not, that's what I mean, cowboy music and also like Appalachian bluegrass and stuff like that's way different from Western music, it's not the same thing. It's just between a hillbilly and a cowboy. Yeah, for sure, that's it. And the arrival of the Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum passenger train and a wagon train slash cowboy parade Sure sure no music though. No bands to make fun

Crime rate in this town what we're here for a quiet very somber parade No instruments allowed. It's called the funeral procession Some fucking elementary school marching band comes in they get kicked off the route get out of here that's a crime rating this down here property crimes about half the national average so not a lot I don't think people 23 grand a year for a household income doesn't sound like there's a lot to steal and you're busy work is a yeah violent crime murder a robbery and of course assault about rush more of crime

is about one quarter of the national average. They're doing great very low It's just very rural. Yeah, everybody even the shitty trailer as an acre and a half Yeah, so really there's no reason to be that angry at anybody sure you got you got room So that said let's talk about Some murder and this is absolutely bonkers. All right, we got to start out talking about a man here He's an interesting fella Yeah, hey word William Bissell double s double L like the vessel. Yes He is born March 28th

1962 yeah, he by the way will have to say this upfront is gonna grow up to be a very large man Yeah, talking like six four four hundred pounds. Holy big guy Yeah, real big guy his height is some people say six four some people say six foot either way He's over six foot. He's 400 pounds. It's a very big guy, but I saw more references saying he was six four Okay, we're gonna go with that. So he was uh He's the second sonny as an older brother and a younger brother and his parents names are Howard and Magdalena Bissell and Yeah, what his younger or one of his brothers is from his mother's previous marriage his older brother I guess she's been married before Howard his dad was in the US Army for 19 years before they settled down in Ohio here and

19 years before they settled down in Ohio here and went to work at the Sandusky, Ohio Ford plant. Uh huh. The family lived in New London. Hayward according to relatives and friends was a quote constant complainer. Really? Absolute complained and complained. By the way, this is a lot of this is from a book and I'll give you the name of the author at the end of this too.

Yeah, he complained a lot, never be satisfied. One of his family members said he was always griping. He griped as a child and he griped as an adult. Just always bitching, never happy. We'll talk about it. He's got a lot of problems. He's never liked authority and that sort of thing. If his father said do anything. Hey father said eat dinner

He'd say I'll starve like it's just he's not gonna do anything his dad says all right wants to go against his dad Behavioral problems from jump at home at school Never just didn't want to follow the rules. What is that? Never wanted to follow the rules didn't want to do things that didn't interest him I get that in school because I was like that. I'd have a 50 in one class and a 97 in one classes I don't like that class is why? Yeah, I don't care about math, but I really like history You know, it's one of those things where but that's not really with him. He doesn't like to work at all

You know like anything. No, he just doesn't like to work. He doesn't like to do things He's pretty damn lazy and one of his family members said he abhors work and avoids working. Hates it. So he had a couple of minor accidents as a child that had some head injuries and they didn't really get him checked out. So it was not like, yeah, they were like, he's fine. He's still walking around. You remember your name? Heyward? Okay, good. Yeah. Get out there and go play so that's a problem on one occasion He told family members that he got down on his knees and saw a bright light as a child after a head injury Yeah, that's not good at all The relative later is speculating whether that could have been an early indication of mental problems either based on head injuries or not

Because he's got a lot of mental problems as he gets older Oh, yeah, this guy makes pocket robin look like the picture of sanity. He really does. What's he do? Well, he attended New London Elementary School Some classes he had a some classes he had C's no we can really pin him down academically here He told mental health counselors later on that he fought frequently when he was in school But for some reason never got suspended or expelled. I don't know if that's just the time period Yeah, that's early 70s. Where do you wait until after school? Maybe generally nobody bothered with it Then I think early 70s if it's two boys and they both wanted a fight. I think you just go don't do that anymore

It's not like it is now or they make it like well You do still leave it if they do want to fight you you still got to explain to somebody's parent why their kid came home bloody. I think back then though, you expected your kid to come home. He's, I got in a fight. Oh, okay. Boys fight. Boys will be boys.

Like that's how it used to be. You know, now boys aren't allowed to fight anymore. Yeah. And the parents want to sue the other parent. That's what I mean. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, when I was a kid, if I came home with a black eye, somebody would have said, who'd your mouth off to?

Yeah, what'd you do? Yeah, what'd you do? Stupid? Yeah, it wouldn't have been what did someone do to you would be like, what'd you do to cause that? It's exactly what they would have said. Yeah, I'm bullied every day. No, you're not you're a mouthy. Yes. I'm being a fucking mouthy dick So he drops out of school after the 10th grade and Yeah, leaving school partly due to use of drugs and alcohol, which he started in his early teens too. So he just, he doesn't like listening. So I don't think anyone's gonna.

And being fucked up is fun. That's what I mean. It's a good time when you're 15. So in 1979, he enlists in the army. He went to Cleveland and enlisted in the Army. He was trained as a motor transport operator and qualified as an expert on the M16. Spent most of his enlistment station all around.

He was in Germany for a while. He, here's some accolades actually. In the Army, he actually listened. He did what he was told. There's consequences. Well, yeah, but I mean, he never cared about those at home yeah but he must have been interested in this is all I can imagine because it seems like whether there's consequences or not he's not gonna listen to authority I mean the army

don't listen with authority they kick you out yeah that's all he would have got kicked out we've heard of a million guys get kicked out of the yard yeah but he liked it I think really, um, he gets a citation here for meritorious performance. Did well. They said from 79 to August of 81 during this period, while assigned to the 102nd quarter master company, this is from his commanding officer. He excelled in his performance of duties as a heavy vehicle operator and was responsible for the timely delivery of

Aviation fuels to the hundred and first airborne division Wow, so that's an important job They gave him a gas truck a gas truck to the hundred and first airborne So this is an important job big deal It's a big deal and supported units from there his devotion to his duty reflects great credit upon himself The hundred and second quarter master company and the United States Army Nobody ever said that about him before no and maybe that's also a thing if he doesn't like home Maybe he gets out he gets out of home Yeah, and maybe I don't know he I don't know what it is

But you know what I'm saying like he might have found a niche here Yeah, where he he liked getting credit for things and I don't know. And you're driving a pretty cool vehicle. Yeah, that's fun. Maybe he likes it. It's better than English class probably. Maybe he wasn't interested in fucking catch her in the ride, but he was interested in this.

I wouldn't mind doing landscaping if I got to drive a bobcat every day. That's so much fun. That's a good time. Or if it wasn't outside, I'd like that too. There's that too. If you're landscaping inside, that'd be nice. I'd love to landscape inside.

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or hey, yeah, he found a real nice niche here. He liked the regimented lifestyle. He liked being, have a plan and a time. If you give this guy too much time He doesn't know what to do with it. Yeah, and he just fucks off But if you schedule him it seems to work better, so he does all of that He has an honorable discharge in August of 1985 which is fine. That sounds good Yeah, so he might have straightened his life up there thinking figuring out he following this

He worked as a security guard in Toledo and in Norwalk He's gonna live in Norwalk for a long time. No, no, Norwalk, Ohio Yeah, we've done an episode on I think I'm pretty sure back in the day He worked at the Fanny Farmer candy factory Yeah, and at a McDonald's on Milan Avenue as a security guard in both of these so it's weird though that a candy factory comes up again. There's a Fanny farmer, huh? Think about yeah Fanny farm though Fanny farmers the yeah the candy the box of Maybe yeah, I think I don't think it is yeah, I think it's regional might be regional I never even fucking heard of it. Yeah, cuz I think yeah, they have the

Sarah likes the milk mint meltaways. I think I'm a farmer. I think it's Midwestern Yeah, so Cadbury's fucking exotic for Arizona. Yeah What is English? That's why the chocolates different it's exotic as fuck. Yeah, how the chocolates like not so sweet milky. It's nice That's English chocolate. It's different. Yeah, we we hear then we have like that sharp chocolate. Yeah I like the English shot. I guess that's why I had an English guy on the fucking commercial, huh? Yeah Man's good, so he basically has a bad back He says he hurt his back in the army and then re heard it as a security guard at the got the candy fat I don't by the way keep certain things in mind here army

candy factory Injuries injuries think about things like injuries no other things Pretty soon by the middle of this episode There's gonna be a lot of a lot of parallels to somebody that you've heard of before very very much So it's one of those things so candy factory army so far He's two for two with somebody that we've heard of before very very much. So it's one of those things. So candy factory army so far He's two for two with somebody that we've heard of a lot Then he I think I don't know if he's really hurt his back. He might because he's 400 pounds by now Wow, but at the same time he might have just figured out a way to not have to work

Yeah, and say his back hurt not say hurt in the army Yeah, and so he can then he gets sympathy. Well, he gets disability too. And also he's got a lot of depression too. He's got a lot of mental problems that are really starting to cook up here. Now what do you do when you're not things aren't going well in your life and your mental problems are bubbling to the surface? Gotta get married obviously. That'll fix everything. I mean if you got somebody to help. That'll do it. October 11th 1985. Don't get help. Get married. That's right. Drag someone else into this mess. That's what you do.

Anything to not go to therapy. Man. So October 11th, 85 he marries Sherry Jane Brown. February of 86, they have a little girl. Fuck they are horny. Yeah, that is, uh, yeah, I think that's why they got married. She was pregnant. Yeah. So it was. Right. uh, you know, I think that's why they got married. Cause she was pregnant. Yeah. That was five months pregnant. Yeah. That's why they got married. So things at first were a little bit normal. Then Hayward became more and more threatening toward his wife. They had a lot of arguments and that's when he started getting treatment for psychiatric illness during the first year of their marriage. She said, you got a problem, you got to go fix yourself here. There's a lot more problems though. By 1989, it's really getting bad.

January 29th, 1989, they lived on Chestnut Street in Norwalk, Ohio. And Sherry said that she was assaulted by Hayward and filed domestic charges, violence charges against him. In the affidavit she gave at the police department, she claimed an argument had started in the early afternoon in the kitchen of their home. Hayward had slapped her and knocked her into the refrigerator and then told her to go into the bedroom.

He followed at her, he followed her yelling at her and threatening to quote, drive her crazy so he could have her put away. Oh. Which is pretty pot calling the kettle black here like this is you know just some psychotic shit telling her that's wild that's some crazy manipulative shit he's she said he then pressed his fist against her face which is a giant fist yeah you see my

fist it's pretty big we're the same height imagine if I was 400 pounds just a slow-motion punch beefier he pressed it and he said that he was put it through her head. Oh, that's not great She said he slapped me and I started to scream then he pushed me up against the wall and hit both sides of my head I got in the shower and told him to leave me alone And he slapped me again on the side of the head and banged my head against the shower and knocked me down What the fuck that is not cool, obviously banged my head against the shower and knocked me down. What the fuck? That is not cool, obviously.

He walked away, but then stopped and turned around and asked if she was okay. Yeah, their daughter, Crystal, at that time was four years old, and she thought that, he just told her that mom fell in the shower, that's why she's hurt. So Sherry said he threatened to take my daughter away and have me put away

She also said that he told her that if he was put in jail he'd get out and make her life miserable Which is kind of already doing you do. That's what I mean. Well more miserable. I mean at least you'll be gone right Sherry vacation Yeah, Sherry would said okay fine then waited until he left the house and then she called the police to report everything Officers came and Sherry asked them to follow her to her mother's home So she could drop her daughter off and then went to the police station to press charges right away She began divorce proceedings. Oh great. She's too healthy for this Yeah, that's what that says if someone hits you once and you go Yeah, great get out of the house

Then you go right to the police station get your kid out of there and do file divorce You're very healthy sure you're not you're not used to that You didn't grow up getting the shit beaten out of you, and you're not gonna take it from this person So that's good for crystal, but you know not good for this relationship obviously so She did that on March 20th. She was at the police station again after Hayward had an encounter with her brother Leonard. Yeah. So he just doesn't stop.

According to Sherry's statement, Hayward said to Leonard, I can't understand after so many years of loving her why she wants to divorce me. She can't. Gee, I wonder why. I just wanted to beat her a little bit. It's crazy. Why would she want to get out of that and leave all this? He told Leonard, this is a quote from Sherry in the affidavit

He told Leonard that he thinks I'm having relations with my girlfriend. Oh Yeah, and then I in that if I keep fucking with him quote paybacks are a bitch Wow she said goes on to say he said he'd have He'd have that kid one way or another taken away And if not, he will live on welfare and I can ram the $20 a month support check up my ass Up my ass $20 $20. What is that buying a nothing nothing? Nothing ram it. What does it say Ram? It's a ram, quote, ram the $20 a month support check up my ass. Which is an odd threat to make.

I'll give it to you, but it's gonna be uncomfortable. Yeah. Ram it. Ram it up my ass. Now there's that, and wow, ram it up my ass. So $20, that doesn't buy like cereal for the month for a kid, a breakfast cereal. That's crazy.

And what is that 80? 86 89 can't keep a kid in Lucky Charms for fucking For a month in that those three dollars a box that can't keep a kid in frosted flakes. There's no way Just gonna go through it So she also said that he had not otherwise bothered her in any way since the last court hearing other than that and had not threatened anyone that she knew of other than her brother. She said I just want this reported in case something happens. So then Leonard Brown, the brother, came to the police station and said I don't want Hayward bothering me no more about the divorce. That's his quote in an affidavit. He

recounted the threats that Hayward had made to him regarding his sister and adding that Hayward said he to him regarding his sister and adding that Hayward said he could have the court take custody of the daughter He said also Hayward is telling people in front of me and to me that Sherry is gay and that she left him for another Woman which I can say she's not Clearly not now so yeah He said I tried to call him a couple I tried to tell him a couple weeks ago that I didn't want to hear it anymore And that he shouldn't be running my sister down in front of me

Hey, we're also told me that the time that if I didn't shut up He will quote beat my brains out and there will be nothing left in my head. I've never heard that threat before I've heard I'll beat your brains out but never till there's nothing left in your head. I've heard beat your brains in. I've never heard out. In out, I'll give you that. I never heard until there's nothing left. This is an empty skull. Just keep shaking it.

Wow. When officers asked the brother if he thought Hayward would try to do something to Sherry, he said he didn't think he would hurt her, but he believed that he would try to get even in some way. And he also told police that while Hayward was married to his sister, he quote, threatened to cut her up into little pieces and feed her to and feed her to her own mother. Oh, he's creative. I'll give him that. That's a creative threat.

That's insane. And create them to the dog is one thing. Feed them to your family is one fetus to your mother. That's insane and create them to the dog is one thing feed them to your your family is one feed it to your mother This is why sometimes great artists are insane because no one even thinks of that nobody thinks to say that Imagine if he was crazy, but not in a violent way and like a weird artistic He might come up with some weird shit. Nobody ever saw before instead. He's a violence artist Yeah, there's nothing left and feed it to your mother That's it till your mother beat his brains out and then I and feed it to your mother. That's it, to your mother, beat his brains out,

and then I'll feed those to your mother also. Your brother's brains. So the divorce was granted on March 29th, 89. Sherry retained custody of the daughter, and Hayward has visitation rights though. So on April 12th, they filed an agreement that allowed him to have visitation on alternate weekends and holidays,

so things seemed to be fine Problem is he's getting weirder and weirder. Yeah, I'm shocked Him any kind of custody based on based on threats. Yeah, that's threats of violence the reason for the divorce like crazy. Yeah Yeah, but he had never He was never even accused of having any violence or anything toward the child Okay, so there's no way they could, it's hard. And in 1989 too, it wasn't the same. It was very early on that they don't realize that some

sort of violence on the kid is directed towards her. Yeah. To make her upset. Yeah, true. Some people will beat their kids and not their wife. Some people beat their wife and not their kids. Who knows what we're... That's not too.

Obviously, if you're beating your wife or your kids, there's some switch that's been fucking flipped That shouldn't be flipped. So, you know what? I mean, it's obviously a weird quirk Quirk is a nice way to put it Quirk of the brain is what I mean work of your mental illness not domestic violence. What a quirk. Yeah Yeah Quirtzle got quirky real quirky that is no the your brain is it not the act of activity of it But the brain it's a quirk that whatever is one thing over another So there's indications of other problems here. He had a lot of rage obviously

He's got several weird incidents of assault that we'll talk about here He's they'll end up in mental hospitals on and off and clinics Basically nine different institutions throughout this region. He's gonna end up in in the next ten years or so. That's a father It's a lot. Yeah, he's got visitation rights. Yeah, daddy can't pick you up because he's in the mental hospitals of oh Again, yeah, I'm playing basketball with chiefs. See you around. See you soon So very few of the dozens of medical and psychology psychological professionals who treated him They never got together and went wow this guy's really nuts. He just went to different places so nobody ever got like a

Real cumulative, you know mountain of his crazy here So he usually came to the facilities and checked himself in voluntarily. So then they can't keep him. Right. He can leave whenever. He'd check himself back out a day or two and there's nothing they could do about it. So yeah, one of the doctors told one of his relatives there's nothing we can do to keep him here since he comes in of his own free will. They were like, why don't you keep him here?

And they're like, he shows up. You get him dragged here and then we can hold him. But otherwise we can't do shit. July 5, 1989, a woman comes to the police station to report that her 1985 Ford pickup truck had been damaged while parked downtown. There had been a fight between Hayward and another man, she said, which was witnessed by a friend of hers

who saw the right fender and hood of her truck damaged during the fight. She said that Hayward told her he would be responsible for taking care of the damage and don't worry about it. So that's just one of his punch kick driven into we don't know. No clue. I assume he ran the guy's head into it probably or himself or himself. So December 1991, he had some problems with a landlord who reported to police that he

received some frightening threats from Hayward. Was it a sprain tweet now? Landlords will find out. Landlords said that he came into his office at the Dreamland Motel. Nice. It's not a landlord. That's a clerk. Yeah.

Let's call the clerk. There's no landlord at a motel. Sorry. There's no there's no landlord at a motel. Sorry and threatened to cut the man's mail into small pieces Because Bissell believed his own mail was being returned to the post office He said you're stealing my mail and returning it so I'm gonna take all your mail and cut it in little pieces another crazy Crazy through over mail who's ever said I'll cut your mail into tiny pieces nobody that's what I mean So then the man at that point the the man called his wife into the office in order to have a witness to the threats here So he didn't stop though. He said I don't like people from foreign countries

Okay. All right. I'm going to kill one of them when it gets dark I'm going to hurt somebody them or their it gets dark. I'm going to hurt somebody, them or their children, he says. Cut your mail up and possibly kill your children. We'll see. Well, that's the evening though. Depends. I gotta see my dinner plans first, but I might kill your kids this evening.

We'll find out. What's the point? We don't know. So obviously this guy freaked out a little bit. So then he says he wasn't going to pay the rent. So the landlord could quote quote see how it feels Don't know what that means. Yeah So this guy said the landlord said me and my family we're afraid of him. He's a big fellow

This gigantic crazy person in the office making all these threats to you that's gotta be terrified Holy shit, so in 1991 in June Obviously your life's going terrible. Yeah You're living in a dreamland motel. You're on social security. You have no job Yeah, you're not seeing your your kids at all probably by now Yeah, your ex and all that your life's a fucking disaster so you should get married again again, and he gets married Yeah, he marries Teresa goble here. They have a daughter as well. Yeah Stop impregnating people you crazy shit. They separate after a few years But he's the divorce never really never really actually get a divorce really just kind of lingers in the path and in the background there

She they said that there's a history of domestic violence in this marriage to no documentation though she never reported it to the police really yeah cuz he found someone that the first wife wasn't taken first time she he beat the shit out of her she went police divorce take the kid fuck that so then he knew I got to find a woman who can take it I got to find a woman who's had a who's had a fucked up past that will take this abuse. That's what I gotta take. And that's what he does. So predators know prey. And he figured he's not a dumb guy either. He figured it out. Yeah. So she, this woman, his second wife denied that she ever had been afraid of him during

their time together. She said they had arguments and he made threats, but she wasn't scared of him. They broke up. She said, because Bissell got to go wherever he wanted to, basically, but he never wanted to go out. While they were together, she said he didn't keep guns or knives. He was particular about putting things where they belonged. He's very neat, by the way, which is, you wouldn't think that. He's a big 400 pound sloppy crazy guy you think

Like his think about the inside of his brain. There's shit everywhere scattered socks are on the floor. It's a mess That's what you'd imagine his living quarters would be but he's very much regimented from the army to keep everything very neat Around his quarters. It's interesting So yeah, she said that he did a lot of house cleaning because he wanted it done his way Oh, you didn't want her to do it because she wouldn't do it right. He wanted to clean it army style Yeah, so what there's a lot of service people that are like that. Yeah, I know a guy who's in the Air Force Who was like that too? I know he wanted real. I'll clean everything. I got this. There's like one leaf in his front yard He'll walk over. Yeah gravel pick it up Yeah, no, I got a friend like that. He was in the Air Force and he was a jet mechanic

Yeah, so and he like led a jet mechanic team so you have to be extremely Intricate of one little fan blades fuck that's screwed up. So he that's how he was with everything Put it in his pocket like you collect Why'd you put it in your pocket? Yeah, throw it in the street So 1997 yeah, Hey words dad thinks he's fucking nuts Okay, hey words dad said quote. I called the doctor because they were going to discharge him from a mental hospital I asked if he was ready to be discharged. The doctor said he admitted himself. I have to let him go. Yeah, that's around this time now He has a lot. We'll find out later. We're pretty sure he's he's a paranoid schizophrenic is the problem here and

Things like delusions of grandeur are big for schizophrenics and for him He would tell people things like I'm the richest man in the world Oh boy, I choose to live at the Dreamland Motel and threaten people about mail, but I don't have to He said I own all the stores oh, no, that's good. Yeah, that's nice He said then he said quote I'm going to be the ruler of the new world Wow he is um Going on little grandiose here. He also claimed to have had his sperm extracted Oh good not it sounds like he didn't jerk off you that sounds like a they went in with like a big plunger and like

Pulled it out Sperm extracted and implanted in women around the world It's all over so you can spread a seed here father. He said he's fathered thousands of children thousands thousands He we don't know if he thought that was true or was just schizophrenia or what but that's crazy shit That's a wild time. Yeah, his parents moved to Florida his dad retires and they moved to Winter Haven, Florida Which is why I brought that up earlier come up here along with the youngest son who was still young So his oldest his older brother was in the army for several years and settled in Hawaii nice choice

That's not bad So Hayward seemed not particularly close to any of his family didn't really keep in touch with anybody He stayed in Ohio and his parents moved to Florida here He lived in Greenwich at the time which is is a little south of Norwalk. And during this time he's in and out of clinics, veterans hospitals treated for depression and other psychological problems. His aunt served as his power of attorney. So he was, he hadn't, that's, you're having problems when you have somebody be your power of attorney. That means you're either 85 and have Alzheimer's or 30 and crazy.

One of the two So yeah, that's she was the closest relative that was willing near there She said it was completely unpleasant having to deal with all of his crazy shit. That's the other party It's not something he has a giant estate where something's wrong that she gets well compensated for dreamland motel Yeah, this is just Inconvenient fuck he's threatening some Hungarian guy behind the counter there from the Eastern European So this 97 during a clinic visit to a mental institution here and he reported to the counselor He believed his apartment was bugged and they had hidden cameras inside

He told doctors that he'd been given truth serum in a shot and in candy. Yeah. Truth serum in those twicks. Be careful. Yeah. And claimed that he was hearing voices in his head and said that various people in the community were quote out to get him. And you can't keep that guy? Can't keep him because he came in himself. Okay. Which seems like seems like okay let him go out and then tackle him when he gets to the parking lot drag him back in so he'll say now he's ask him like two questions out there we'll bring him back now he's also leads kind of a dull lifestyle he doesn't do much the guy that knew him said he pretty much led a

mundane lifestyle he pretty much kept to himself he said he received government assistance and didn't work yeah I'm not gonna act all fun and have a great time. There's cameras watch I'm not giving them great Put on YouTube in ten years and then it's gonna be a problem Yeah, he attended services once in a while at the Jehovah's Witness Hall where his mother had been a member before they moved He also is like It was his ex-brother-in-law described him as pretty despondent Said he spent his days at flea markets selling model cars movies and knives

He's the fat guy behind the table at the flea market that has like knockoff DVDs Model cars and weird not wild. Yeah, we know that guy early ones. That's a Reno 911 character. I've seen that guy That's crazy so he character. I've seen that guy That's crazy So he did all of that and he would just sit around his apartment also in February 1998 during a hospital stay after we were reported he was having depression problems and suicidal thoughts He told doctors that the people in town quote spilled blood all over the roads Yeah, and he claimed that his alarm clock and his mind Were both being controlled by satellites my alarm clock and my mind my mind

There I think they're gonna go for my fridge next I'm pretty sure they're gonna go over the refrigerator and then you never know that the heat the TV could be next We know anything is really on the table here And he said that certain people in town were quote trying to bite off his penis. Oh Just coming up to him just snapping away at his I would not be worried about the alarm clock Are the satellites controlling the penis eaters to Penis biters the only thing I'd be worried. Oh my god. It's like oh biting off your penis, huh? It's like a conspiracy of people don't even know each other all want to bite off his penis

Well, I mean not just one maybe they just want to sperm It's it's good they hear from all the thousands of women all over the place Wow November 17th 1998 all over the place. Wow. November 17th, 1998, Greenwich Police Chief Randall Kilgore was in a grocery store near his office when Hayward came into the store and began staring at him. Oh. Which is not good. Big giant guy staring at you, a little uncomfortable, and you know he's crazy.

Well, you got a gun. But the chief had previously dealt with him before, knew he was a nut. Yeah. He nodded at him, but the guy's abyssal didn't say shit. He just stared at him. Oh boy. And he said it was kind of like a mean stare. It wasn't like he was like, oh what's going on?

Not a gawk, a stare. And not like a kind of in another world stare. It was a I'm mad at you stare. Mean mugging. He was like what the fuck. So the cop just decided that he would, you know, just. Ignore it? He said no, walk up and talk to him.

Oh, alright. And just try to be nice. Kill him with kindness. So he said hey good morning, you know, just ignore it. He said, no, I'll walk up and talk to him and just try to be nice and see if that. So he said, Hey, good morning, Heyward, how you doing? Yeah. But he didn't respond. He just kept staring at him. So the cop just went shrugged and went to his office. I guess he doesn't want to fucking talk. Yeah. I'll catch up with him in about 10 minutes when he makes a scene in the grocery store and they call me back here. So he didn't respond. Yeah. And, uh, you know, kept going

and after 10 minutes this guy gets back to his office Hayward comes into his office. He says what can I do for you Hayward and he just sits down looks at him in the eye and he says something evil has a hold of me. Oh all right that's nice. We can get you some nice doctors to talk to So this cop asked yeah, maybe something you can take what kind of evil yeah I mean do you have going on and at that point Hayward stood up and said it's confidential and Turned around to leave for telling me appreciate it Yeah So at that point right as he's leaving the mayor of Greenwich bursts into the room and starts yelling at Hayward

Oh, so if I'm the cop I'm like, oh Jesus now I got to protect the mayor from this psychopath. He says what do you do? What were you doing sitting in my car? Oh The Hayward. Yeah now hey We're apparently the mayor just bought a new Lincoln town car and it was parked near the grocery store When how Hayward came out of the car out of the store? He saw it walked over got in it and sat in the pad sat in the driver's seat sort of Dicking with it like they're pressing the buttons like if you're looking at a car to dealership See works, that's nice. Oh, look at that electric seats cool. That's what he did

Just in the mirrors, so he likes big cars and he liked it. So the mayor was pissed Yeah, crazy ass out of my car. So Hayward said, what do you want me to do, apologize? He said, okay, then I apologize. I'm sorry I got in the car, I shouldn't have done that. Now the cop said, sounded like it was sincere enough. And the mayor figured, you know, what else, he's crazy. At least he didn't drive into a wall or something,

so great, there you go. So that was a, he ended up getting out of that. He left the chief's office, and I assume the mayor and the police chief had a fun conversation about that guy and how they're gonna keep an eye on him. So in December of that year, he told psychiatrists, quote, a banshee is beaming thoughts into my head. A banshee?

A banshee, satellites, banshees, penis biters. This is a, got a wild fucking thing going on in his brain Yeah, he said that he believed something had a hold of him when he visited the police chief But the the one of the cops speculated that Hayward's real reason for going to see the chief was because he knew he was about To get in trouble for getting into the mayor's car. Oh So they say everybody says a lot of people say he might be a little crazy, but he's also very crafty. Calculating. He's very calculating.

He's not a dumb guy. That's the thing. This guy said, he went into Kilgore's office and started talking like he did about something evil possessing him, and he did it before the mayor had time to get there and to complain about him getting into his car. This follows his pattern of using his supposed mental illness problems to get himself out of trouble Is what the other cop said Christmas Day 98? Yeah, here we go about 1130 p.m

Police in the town of Newark, Ohio received a man with a gun call At Nick saloon on Second Street several officers went to the scene to respond, and a man drove up in a blue Chevy Blazer and asked them for help. The driver of the vehicle behind him, he said, had been following him riding his bumper all the way from Utica, Ohio.

Oh. When an officer approached the driver and asked why he was following the Blazer, it's Bissell, obviously, and he said, quote, it's confidential great When the officer said why the fuck are you following the guy? He said it's top-secret It's top-secret. What's your clearance? Let me see. Let me see if you have the capacity to be told this information

It's top-sec top secret. Top secret. It's ridiculous. That's a ridiculous thing to say. Confidential. Confidential. So they kept asking him, he kept saying, it's top secret, it's top secret. I'm a government agent.

You know what I'm doing here. He tells the officer he's on medication for depression, which is, you want all your secret agents to be on a lot of, it's like, a lot of medications. A lot of mood altering substances. That's what you want. He was handcuffed, taken to the police station

where it was decided that he should probably be taken to a hospital for psychological evaluation. They contacted one of Hayward's relatives who told them that he had a history of mental illness. So they were like, all right, then they took him to the hospital. And then he was at the hospital. He's still in treatment the following March where he told the doctor that he had lice

Oh, and he knew how to cure it though. You know how he knew The voices told him oh what they say well the voices in his head told him to quote urinate in his milk Oh boy, and drink it and that will get rid of the lice Never mind a little Riddick's just drink some piss milk drink some piss milk and drink it and that will get rid of the lice. Never mind a little Riddex. Drink some piss milk. Drink some piss milk and you're good. Oh Jesus Christ. He said that he decided later before he drank any of the milk with the piss in it that it would not be in his best interest to follow this set of instructions from the voices. He said I don't want to drink piss milk and he didn't. So he was asking

for help with lice. He didn't even have lice by the way. He just imagined that. No lice and Gandhi's telling him how to drink piss. Holy shit. Can he get sick drinking piss? I think he can. Not if it's your own. What if it's your own? Kingpin, sorry. Spring of 99. Yeah. Still living in Greenwich. He told a relative that he had a mental breakdown at that point and he had been using even smoking weed along with his prescription Drugs this guy doesn't need weed Or he doesn't want he doesn't no no no no he doesn't need weed Prescription medication that fucking keeps the voices at bay and keeps them Keeping from drinking piss milk. That's, yeah. Tranquilizers and ant.

If anything, yeah. I don't know, I don't think weed is the right thing for him here. He was cooking a meal in his apartment one evening, he said, and believed he must have fallen asleep and left a pot on the stove. When he woke up, his apartment was on fire, and the next thing he knew, he said he was standing

outside in the snow with firemen. There's that. So he was taken to a hospital for treatment of a burn he received on his arm and after Taking a couple looks at him and talking to him for a couple minutes. The emergency room staff said there's another place I think we should take him probably and it's not here. I've heard of another hospital. It's interesting The relative of his said he told me he tried to escape twice But he said that he got caught both times before getting off the property. He's 6'4", 400 pounds.

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In this four-part series, I'm to tell you why the internet sucks now, whose fault it is, and my plan to fix it. Find Who Broke the Internet on whatever terrible app you get your podcasts. Anyone can see that. At one point here, he began to describe some episodes at the institution. He said, quote, this is from a relative, he said that at one point he had a bowel movement and you know this is going somewhere weird and was looking into the toilet when a voice told him he needed to rub the feces all over him in order to get better.

At least he can self-heal with his own excrements, that's nice. A mud mask, a piss milk, you know. He's doing fine. He said the voice told him that if he ate it, it would get into his system quicker. It's like when you want to inject it, you don't snort it, you inject it, it's a lot faster. You know what I'm saying? That's crazy.

And he would get better quicker. but he said that he told the relative he realized what am i thinking and flushed the toilet this is crazy don't listen to that voice that voice is crazy too but not crazy yeah that's like not crazy that he's hearing voices just obviously don't listen to that asshole that's the wrong voice another relative said he told he also told me he woke up to find another patient asleep in the room and a voice told him the man was going to turn into an alligator, an alligator and eat him if he didn't either pay the man some money or beat him with a shoe. One of the two. That's the only way to get rid of an alligator. Everybody knows that. You pay him off or you beat him with your shoe. Or you give him a mud mask. That's it.

Well, that's to heal them. So yeah, Heyward said he realized he was wearing a hospital gown and had no money, so his only other choice would be to beat the man with a shoe, obviously. Clearly, I got nothing here. So he then said that he asked himself what in the world he was doing and said

that he realized the guy was just there for help like he was, so he didn't do anything to him He told the doctors during his hospital stay that federal agents had set the fire in his apartment Yeah, both in addition to the satellites and everything. I mean they got a set of fire once in a while He said that the government had taken away his special powers. Oh Also that his sperm was being extracted. Yeah without his knowledge and frozen oh and was being implanted in women around the world and Voices were telling him to kill himself and that he would die and go to heaven. That's what they're telling him So you have hmm. Yeah, he's an interesting he's got a lot of problems in one cycle a psychiatric assessment

He was described as vague guarded evasive suspicious Watchful delusional with a bizarre thought process. Yeah, that's a lot But he was repeatedly released to go other places and it's not it's not great But he does seek help and then doesn't take the medication and then leaves earlier than they tell him to Yeah, cuz they're not doing it right No He knows that he needs help and with then he goes to get it and doesn't want to do the thing that they told him To do or the help just feels wrong and like it's not working So obviously he's gonna be a magnet for the ladies right now for man for bills

Empty balls crazier than a shithouse rat It's doing, he's doing great right now. Drain sack. Drain sack, fucking hospital gown. Doing great. So he meets a woman named Cheryl Jones and they date for about three months. Yeah. I don't know what her deal is, but wow. Wow.

Um, she broke up with him in July of 1999 after about three months of dating. What happened? She, well, she said that he had tried to get her to go to Florida with Him while they were dating and she didn't want to go to Florida She said quote he would go to Aldi's and buy a bunch of canned food. Why does Aldi's keep coming up? I didn't know it was so fun. I thought it was brand new I thought it was like in Germany to like five years ago, but no it's apparently was in the Midwest 25 years ago early 90 the Midwest 25 years ago. It's the early 90s. Over 25 years ago.

So he'd take a bunch of canned food, take it to his parents and sell it. To his parents? I don't know. Take it to his parents. He's going to sell canned food that he bought at Aldi's for some sort of substantial profit somehow. And then he said he could get enough money to take her to Disney World. Why don't you just not buy the can go?

Yeah, he told her also to borrow a friend's bicycle then sell it for $50 So they'll have some spending money at Disney World This lady was like I'm not doing that she said toward the end of our relationship he got violent hateful and mean He tried to control my life telling me I couldn't hang out with my friends. Yeah He is she also claimed that She was he was stealing money from her and all sorts of shit like that So August of 1999 that Cheryl Jones she introduced him to a new woman He's crazy probably violent and sane. Hey, let me introduce you to my friend and she was dating him and now she's pawning him off on somebody else I think social

focus on her this is Patricia Ann Boer BOO HER and yeah this is interesting now Cheryl accused him the girlfriend accused him of threatening her in August of 1999 saying that he had called her home twice and threatened her. She claimed he told her to watch her back and that he was going to kill her. She's like, I'll introduce him to my friend. I got a friend for you. Great friend.

The confrontation came after Hayward discovered that the air had been let out of his tires during the night, so he accused her of doing it. When police asked him to come by the station for a talk, he said he didn't call her, never threatened her and had no intention of doing so. So the cops just told both parties, stay away from each other. Okay. No more. Like two little kids that were fighting. You go one way, you go the other. Right.

Which is kind of weird when someone says their life has been threatened. Yeah, I can see that. So late August 1999, early September, that's when Patricia Anne comes in and Patricia is his new lady. She's younger than him. She's born in 1975. So I'm 12 years younger, 13 years younger. Now there's some different, we don't exactly know how they met. Some plays, some sources said they met in a group counseling session and some sources

say we know they lived in the same apartment complex, but some sources say that the ex-girlfriend introduced them, then some people say they met in the complex, and then some people say they met at a counseling session. So I'm not sure. But they started dating and everything like that. She, Patricia, was under the care of the Huron County Human Services Agency,

and was classified as, quote, mildly retarded. That's how the official classification here. She's very tiny. Four 10 a buck. Oh, five. Oh boy. Real small fragile. And he's six, four, 400 pounds.

That's a wild combo between the ears. Slower. Absolutely. Oh boy. That's the other thing. So a very sweet woman and everything like that and not Actually like does a lot we'll talk about Patricia here. She grew up in a trailer. She had a tough life Yeah, when you hear about her father, she had something bad happen to this poor girl. Yeah

She grew up in a trailer near the town of Olena, Ohio Her sister Charlene was there with her and her cousins live next door in a trailer near the town of Olena, Ohio. Her sister Charlene was there with her, and her cousins live next door in the trailer. So she had some kids around, but their life wasn't great. Patricia was repeatedly molested as a child, and we'll talk about by who in a minute here. Despite this, she keeps a really upbeat spirit and is not, she's really upbeat and she keeps going.

She'd play with her sister for hours and wouldn't be despondent or anything like that. Patricia was shy and quiet, liked animals and dancing and music and that sort of thing. She wanted to be in sports, but she had asthma and couldn't participate. So she was sad about that here. People say she's always, she likes to joke around

and stuff like that. She's shy and quiet with outsiders, comfortable with her family. And she said that, everybody says she's a very happy person. She loves country music. Super into Vince Gill, that's her man. Loves her some Vince Gill, baby. Loves it. It's terrific

And she had a collection of troll dolls as well Yeah, if I don't know if kids know what a troll doll is. Oh the kids know what troll. Oh, yes They do because Justin Timberlake was in a movie called the trolls. That's true. That's true. That's true. That's true That was so the trolls with the hair. So yeah They said she's always very polite. Uh-huh,'s always very polite, you know, very much, you know Thank you. You're welcome that type of person very nice One of her cousins said she was a quiet person, but after you got to know her she wouldn't shut up. She loved to talk That's nice

So yeah, they grow up and they're raised by their father and grandmother Their mother left when the children were young raised by their father and grandmother. Their mother left when the children were young, but in recent years when Patricia became an adult, she rekindled a relationship with her mother and often talked to her. There's a reason why her mother left, but I really wish her mother would have taken

her fucking daughters with her, as we'll find out here. She never got along with her father, for good reason. Her sister Charlene said said I was her only close family she told me if she ever lost me she'd be alone and she'd have no one. In school they said that she you couldn't tell that she was having trouble at home because she's so happy and cheerful you just didn't see and some kids are like that no matter what's going on they have that weird upbeat thing you know what I mean, so I don't know if that's a They have they their brain does that to compensate. They want it to be like I don't know

I've met a lot of friends from from high school to be okay. Yeah in the past ten years or whatever I've talked to a few friends from high school Several girls were molested. Yeah. I was in high school these people were being molested Oh, yeah, and you don't had no fucking clue No clue. I was always jealous of their lives. They all looked so happy and they were a mess while in high school They were being molested. Yeah, that starts way early. Yeah, cuz you know, no one just starts molesting No, no, no, that's you've been molested since you were five. Yeah, it's been bad for a while. That's what that is Yeah, that's horrifying horrifying

They said that she was good in school. She went to Western Reserve Middle School near Norwalk and they said she's a quiet, hardworking girl who got good grades. That's what I mean. She's literally medically mildly retarded but still gets good grades because she works hard. Yeah, and school is like a place. She likes it. It's safe. It's a refuge. No one's molesting her. Right. It's great. She keeps her pants on there. Yeah. a refuge. No one's molesting her. Right. It's great. She keeps her pants on there.

Yeah. So the teacher said she was the nicest kid. She almost always had a smile on her face. She wouldn't say a nasty word to another kid. If you could have an ideal student, Patty would be that kid. She's got a big heart. And he said that she went to high school. They said she was, one person said she was just a very nice girl, very sweet.

Everyone seemed to like Patty They said she put forth a lot of effort and in school, and she tried to do her best She was in the e ho ve General merchandising program e hove that is which they said gave her a lot of Self-confidence and made her more outgoing one of her friends said you could just tell it was for her We really saw changes in her we really felt confident that she was going to be successful She loved to please people if you gave her any positive she would just gleam Everyone really liked Patty because I'm sure she's never got that at home, right? You know one person said if you didn't like Patty you didn't like yourself

Look in the mirror. Did you hate yourself yourself. Yeah this is about you not her. After high school she began having bouts of deep depressions because it caught up to her. I mean that's just normal. During the course of her treatment she began attending meetings of an organization called the Friendship Club. Wow a support group for young adults with mental and emotional problems. She made a number of new friends and gained some self-confidence. She joined a church and started volunteering at a local clothing bank and stuff like that.

She keeps active too. That's the other thing, she does not wanna not do anything. She doesn't have a job and she'll be on disability, but she does a lot of volunteer work. She keeps herself busy. Now 1994, Patricia's dad gets what's fucking coming to him. She does a lot of volunteer work. She keeps herself busy. That's correct now 1994 Patricia's dad gets what's fucking coming to him Oh Vernon is his name this utter and complete pile of fucking human shit. Yeah here

Wow, first of all her grandmother whom Patricia and Charlene were both close to died that year Then her father Vernon was sentenced to 10 to 25 years in prison hopefully 25 For quote rape and gross sexual imposition involving two girls Seven and nine who lived in his trailer park. This wasn't even his daughter's that he was molesting He was done with them. He got caught outside of yes. Yeah, he grew up. Yeah, they grew up no interest anymore So he looked for kids in the trailer park. Oh, that's the better. Oh verne piece of shit This guy is in the trailer in the trailer park. So he's sent to prison good But that's this monster is who she grew up with with no mother around. That's horrifying

April 21st 1995 She writes a journal over the years so you can just little things about her. Like that day she talks about, she really met a guy that she likes and she said that she couldn't stand to be without him and she likes him and said he's really fun and looked good in jeans and was a good kisser. Like a teenager basically would say that, that something a 16 year old would write.

Oh my God, this guy is so cute, we were at the party and whatever the fuck. So she she wrote I'm in heaven and then she Would write about distress she wrote about a really scary dream she had she dreamed her ex-boyfriend walked up to her door nude and and And she said she wasn't attracted to him anymore She said he was a sex maniac and did obscene things in strange places

She wrote he masturbates and other stuff Before they broke up I guess he began stealing little things when he came to visit She eventually stopped answering the door when he came around and then she would he would call him all the time He would he would call her all the time. She said, I think he pranks me sometimes. So yeah, she also wrote, she was really scared of him at one point. She wrote about like, she met a girl that she liked and wanted to be friends with,

and the girl didn't wanna be friends with her, and she was sad, like stuff like that. Yeah, it looks like a teenager's diary, which is, she's just writing it down. So 1999 is when she's living in the same complex as Hayward these are people you don't want to meet no you want to keep her As far away from the sky as possible. This is at the fire lands village apartment complex So they're both living in the complex They were introduced by the ex-girlfriend. I suppose she brought this girl to him? Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

This is who she introduced him to, the ex-girlfriend. This is who, I mean, your sacrificial lamb is what you're going here. This is crazy. They made an odd couple, obviously, because she's literally a quarter of his size in weight. This is weird. Like, Sarah and I have a big height difference,

but I don't weigh 500 pounds, you know what I mean? That would make it even look weirder. So yeah, it's interesting. So one of Bissell's former brother-in-law said, of all people, her, look at him and look at her. It's like an elephant stepping on an ant. So yeah, she lived alone in her apartment. They both had their own apartment.

At this point, she's volunteering for a local support group for people seeking solace or friendship, the one we talked about Volunteering at the Norwalk Salvation Army helping at a soup kitchen and stocking food shelves for a food bank These are all really nice things to do really nice things an active member of her church and all that kind of shit So she's doing great. She's receiving disability checks and Doing all that Her aunt said after she met Hayward, she said she didn't talk about him.

She was never a very good judge of character when it came to boyfriends. So I think she knew her aunt knows that and doesn't tell her aunt about her relationships. Now, Cheryl Jones, Bissell's ex-girlfriend, who introduced them, warned her about him. Why'd you introduce them? Wow, she said quote. He was nice in the beginning then he got mean. This is Jones

I believe he could do something evil. He is evil. I tried to warn Patricia I tried to tell her he was mean and evil and he wants to control your life. Yeah Hey, we're in Patricia here. They said that he is controlling of her and sometimes borderline stalks her. One neighbor, Joanne Bloodheart said he controlled her every move, where she went and who she spoke with. He would stand there and watch if she left the apartment. If he, if she came here, he would call. Yeah, real weird. I would say in October. I I mean he did want to give himself a shit facial so yeah you know this is probably right in line

with that kind of behavior. This is piss-milk behavior. Let's just say aberrant behavior all around. So October 99 while they're going out he threatens a clinic in Ohio. He calls a clinic, a mental health clinic, and said quote if you don't get my meds I'll make a visit to your office and you'll be sorry you ever heard of me. So he was actually getting a pain medication filled at a drug store. He was all fucked up and didn't realize it,

so he called back and apologized. He was like, I'm sorry. No charges were filed, because he apologized. He had occasionally seen doctors at the clinic, but as a result of the threats, they told him he can't come back anymore Oh, you don't want to deal with that guy. Yeah, they were they were helping him. He's still mad. So December 1999 He's acting a little bit fucking weird. Let's just say that little bit weird

He stopped by his ex-wife's brother's house. Remember the one he was threatening Leonard and Leonard said quote He kept saying that night. We need friends We need to be there for our friends Like all right, whatever bro So he said they sat he sat at the kitchen table sipping water and occasionally talking nonsense about being on a mission Yeah, quote unquote an hour later. He got into his he had by now. He's got a Lincoln Town car nice So he wanted that it's an older model, but it's like the exact one the mayor had. It's like a big 89 Lincoln Town Car.

It's hilarious. He's like, I'll get that car someday. When it's old enough to afford it. An hour later, he got into the Town Car and left, saying he was gonna go see his girlfriend, Patty, who lived in his apartment complex. So that's weird. More strange behavior here, very strange.

Now, she was happy at first, Patricia was happy to be with him and that sort of thing. He ends up giving her an engagement ring. Oh. Which she shows off, she's excited about it, Patricia. Now, he's not even divorced yet, by the way. Remember that second marriage? No, that's still there.

So apparently though, she started to become fearful of him over December, especially of 1999 One of the the neighbors said he would yell at her and hit her for the slightest thing and Increasingly talk about being on a mission from God. Oh boy The neighbor urged her to leave him, but she said she couldn't. She said he'll hurt me. Her sister, Charlene, Patty's sister Charlene, said that she had an engagement ring and talked about marriage plans,

but she wasn't sure about it. She said about Hayward, he was very controlling and possessive from what she told me, so controlling that he demanded Patricia use all her money to pay off her bills. She had no cash left to buy Christmas presents for her family So Patricia also talked about how Hayward had precise orders on how to wash dishes and do his laundry. Oh Do it yourself fat ass. Yeah, they go the real easy fucking explanation for that. Yeah, that's all

There's the fucking sink knock yourself out. He wouldn't let her go anywhere She said he would only give her so much time to do something There's the fucking sink, knock yourself out. He wouldn't let her go anywhere, she said. He would only give her so much time to do something. I guess if she didn't get back on time, she would be very upset. The sister said she would, you know, tried to prod Patricia to consider, you know, maybe ending this relationship.

I guess Patricia broke up with him once, but then later told her sister that she was afraid of hurting his feelings Oh, she wanted her his feelings. He's a nice guy. So Patricia seemed torn about the relationship. Basically, they're gonna For the last two weeks of the 1999 they're gonna break up and get back together like five times. Really? She's gonna leave him She's gonna and then she'll take him back because he talks her into it. And yeah, another neighbor here said that Patricia was more than just a good friend and a neighbor. She said, Patty was like a daughter to me.

Patty was five weeks pregnant. What? We find that out in January here, coming up. She said that she didn't believe that Patricia was willing, was having a good time here in this relationship. This woman said, I was gonna help her raise the child. Really? Then she said, she didn't like to be too far away from me.

This lady seems to have a pretty exalted opinion of herself. Oh shit. So yeah, she said that all he'd do is scream at her and watch her out the front window. So they broke up before Christmas. Patricia told her sister that after that, that she was engaged to him again though, and that they made up.

So she also said that Hayward was upset with her because she didn't have any money left to buy Christmas presents, even though he was the one who told her to spend all the money. Patricia complained earlier that Hayward was too possessive and all that kind of thing. So January 13th, 2000, Patricia gives the ring back and breaks up with him. She's done.

She's done, began going back to the friendship club and also she does Avon sales. Oh yeah. That's what she does. Now at a meeting on January 13th at Avon, an Avon meeting, she told a friend that during the time she was apart from Hayward, she had dated a young man she met at the club and said that she told a friend that during the time she was apart from Hayward She had dated a young man

She met at the club and said that she had fallen in love with him Oh, but despite that she reconciled with Hayward a week later, even though she was in love She's very much in love one day and then love with somebody else like a like a like a teenager Yeah, during the first few days they were apart a friend Persuaded Patricia to stay with her for a while because Hayward had threatened Patricia saying she was going to die and he was supposed to kill her You know the voices and all January 16 2000 He Hayward talks to his aunt and tells her that he didn't have any friends. He tells her quote an angel is talking to me

Great. He told his aunt about getting engaged and said that he and Patty had broken up on Christmas but the patty and giving him back the ring and then Then he said she gave him back the ring and then wanted to make love was his quote Hayward's aunt didn't put a great deal of stock in any of this because she said he lies all the time and he's crazy So according to him his balls are drained. They're drained Yeah on one occasion all the time and he's crazy. So according to him, his balls are drained. They're drained. Yeah. On one occasion, he took her credit card and ran up over $5,000 of a bill on his aunt's credit card.

What? Yeah. For years, she served as his power of attorney. This is that lady. And kept all of his paperwork and stuff. In the summer of 99, he came to her home and took all of his papers with him and carried them away. You're not my fucking person anymore.

He had a history of telling his aunt wild stories that were crazy. He said a disc was planted in his head on which he received secret transmissions from from unnamed mysterious sources. He also claimed that Paul Newman was his father. I like that. You can just take just take a bottle of the Caesars. It's my dad's. It's fine. He doesn't mind. Just take it. They get a jar of the Alfredo sauce. It's my dad's it's fine. He doesn't mind just take it Take a jar of the Alfredo sauce too. Let's do that. Yeah Paul Newman Pulls that out of his ass Paul Newman

He also said he was an agent for the Secret Service. Yeah, that's fucking funny. My balls are drained against my will Drain buzz just empty sack. It's like a raisin basically. It's been sun dried. But the way to extract it is by getting blowjobs or some sort of sexual release. That would be great. The government does it by satellite nowadays, Jimmy. That's just how they do it. It's much easier that way. He's got floppy disk Wi-Fi too. That's all it is. That to all of this three and a half The three and a half inch hard drive hard disk up there one of those plastic ones from the 90s So they said that the end said she never thought that she would get a straight answer out of him So she asked him as few questions as possible because she didn't want to hear the answers basically

She said I've helped him with food and kept his clothes washed, but I've never let him stay with me He's big and stout and at times he could bring harm if you wanted to but he never threatened me I've tried to keep him with the counseling center at Norwalk, but he got so he wouldn't go anymore January 20th 2000 he visits the Norwalk Police Department Hayward does and Talks to Sergeant David light who he would befriend at him. Oh. He's one of those, see this is smart, this is what I do when I would like work at a job

and pick out the person most likely to shoot everybody. Yeah. I'll make friends with you. Yeah. That's what I do every time, that's what this guy said. He's the craziest fucking town. When he's running amok, I'm gonna come up and go, Hayward, and he's gonna go, buddy, and everything will be fine, he's not gonna murder me, that's great.

As long, Johnson. Yeah. At the police station. He's not gonna murder me. That's great as long Johnson Yeah Come on, bud He said that he befriended him on several occasions and and said that he had been to a veterans medical facility in Cleveland a few Days earlier, this is what Heyward told him and that a doctor there had taken him off some medication he'd been taking he complained of not feeling well and having pain in one of his legs. And so the cop told Hayward that he would contact the doctor for him and stop by his apartment the following day to see what happened.

I'll talk to him for you, which is full service police force, I would say. They're getting medical records? Not records. Try to talk to him about his medication. That seems above and beyond the call of duty here. When the when called, the doctor confirmed that he decided to let Bissell stop taking some of his medication,

but he said that if he wasn't feeling well, he should start taking it again. So having like withdrawal. When the officer went to Bissell's apartment to tell him, he came to the door and said he had company and was busy in the bedroom. Could you leave right now? I'm banging abroad in here.

I got company, I'm busy in the bedroom. Busy in the bedroom Yeah, and he thanked the cop and said I'll be fine. Have a guy Pussy, he'll cure me. It's fine. Come by from maple bars later, but now I'm doing real well The medications he was told to continue taking included pain prescriptions and antibiotic a drug for diabetes Yeah, and Xanax to be taken twice daily. Two Xanies a day. Chill the fuck out, big man. The prescriptions, the doctor decided

to let him discontinue. Now, those are the ones that he should be taking. The ones that he let him discontinue, all of which had to be taken three times a day, were Haldol. What? Yeah. It's an antipsychotic.

Yup. Cogenton and Prozac. These are all, These are, yeah. And you're not supposed to stop Prozac immediately. You've got to wean off of that because it's got a half-life on it and it'll fuck you all up. So that's not good. Okay, so that's not good.

Now, January 21st, 2000, Patty began to suspect she might be pregnant. So she went to a medical clinic and got testing for the results and she's pregnant. Indeed. So she thought, she wanted to be pregnant. She wanted a baby actually. She was happy and excited to find out that she was having a baby and made plans to come back the following week to begin

counseling sessions on parenting and self care. God damn. She doesn't know how to do this. So she also told several friends and her sister that this is great and that, you know, she's pregnant with Hayward's baby and he's thrilled about it and the sister said Patty was thrilled about it and that she said that Bissell said

he was happy about it and all that kind of thing. Now she said that the sister said she didn't tell me about any plans to take a trip to Florida that weekend. Okay. And she also said that wasn't like her not to tell me if she had plans. I don't think she I'm not no I don't know if she went with him of her own free will okay now January 22nd 2003 a.m. Yeah Okay, Bissell's cousins Bissell's a cousin of Bissell's ex-wife

Okay Had an interesting visit from Hayward in the middle of the night She had this person hadn't seen Hayward in six or seven years and he showed up at three o'clock in the morning Giant crazy guy. Yeah, the cousin said that during this visit which lasted about an hour and a half Bissell told this guy the government and police had planted a bug in his head to make him do weird stuff He said they wanted him to murder someone and he wouldn't do it and he was hearing voices Great, so I'm gonna get back to bed now Can this wait till 7? Wow least I'll meet you down at the mental hospital meet you at the the old facility

And you do that bars Wow so in this statement to police the man said that Hayward also told him I have a great. I have great demonic powers. Oh Heyward also told him I have a great I have great demonic powers. Oh But David light and Mike ruggles those are his cop friends that are nice to him are trying to take them away from me I'm like ruggles He said the voices in his head were caused by the pills he was taking and then he didn't want to do anything to hurt anybody he next said that a female relative had molested him as a child and tried to Blame that for all of this And so they went on to say that that Hayward had mentioned that his girlfriend, Patty was pregnant and that they'd broken up,

but they also said they were getting married and he did give her a ring. So he was very intense. They said the whole time, but never mentioned about leaving for Florida, which they're going to do in like a few hours. Oh boy. Which is weird. That's strange. She said, you know, I'm going to go to Florida. I'm going to go to Florida. I'm going to go to Florida. I'm going to go to Florida. I'm going to go to Florida.

I'm going to go to Florida. I'm going to go to Florida. I'm going to go to Florida. I'm going to go to Florida. So he was very intense, they said the whole time, but never mentioned about leaving for Florida, which they're gonna do in like a few hours. Which is weird. That's strange. She said, he mainly talked about what the cops were doing and hearing voices. I went along with everything he said. I didn't think he was whacked out enough to do anything.

I just thought he was talking to be talking. I don't know, voices. And when I hear voices, that's when it's time to do something. Voices are the, that's where you're broken with reality That's like even like legally yeah, that's like a legal standard really like if you kill somebody and then you have you know mental If you're hearing voices, that's that's delusional. That's the that's the yeah, that's the point you're looking for of delusion So people will make that up a lot so

They take off that morning to go to Florida Hayward and Patty They're going to Winter Haven, Florida to visit his parents Okay, if he wants to show off his new future bride and his future baby or what? Now he told his parents that he was coming, so they knew he was coming. They'd only seen him once in the last five years. Really? Yeah. Now, like I said, Patty had told her friends

that he was pleased about the pregnancy, but also told her friends that she didn't intend to marry him. Oh. And that she did not want to go to Florida with him to visit his parents. He'd been pressuring to go, she said, but she intended to break off the relationship

and didn't want to do that. But that doesn't matter because then she went and left anyway. So yeah, he talked her into taking a ride overnight. And he later said she didn't know she was going to Florida. No, because she left only with her coat and purse. And he didn't take any luggage either. So these are two people that didn't even bring anything

for the goddamn ride, which is really weird here. She took a person coat and no extra clothes or personal items or anything like that. All he had was in his pockets, which are a few bucks and two really long sharp knives hidden in the back seat there so They left they got as far south as Chattanooga, which is about an hour and a half from Somerville as we know and Spent the night in the parking in the parking lot of a motel not in the motel in the car in the parking lot

So I couldn't afford the motel. I'm gonna be nice. We could just go in there. Yeah get some sleep Honey, well, let's just look at it and think longingly. Hey, Son says they got HBO. What do you think's on right now? What is it, 99? Is it a new episode of The Sopranos on this weekend? Shit, let's see what Carmel Antonio you're up to. I'm interested.

Now, a frigid, freezing rain, there's a big winter storm heading into this area that's going to drop ice on the area. If you have ever lived lived anywhere with ice, you know ice comes down. That's when it's a disaster That's what power lines and trees come down so easy snow is light ice is heavy It's one of those things so, you know get hit in the face of the snowball compared to an ice ball a little different So it's gonna be miserable and they spent a cold miserable night in the car because it's freezing There's freezing rain coming down. They only had a few dollars in cash She knew he had to get some money here. So the weather is getting nastier and nastier

He had south on the interstate. They crossed the line from Tennessee into Georgia Yeah, and he's needed money for fuel and food So he started to look for an exit where he said he wanted to find an ATM or a Western Union. And eventually he left the interstate heading in the direction of Somerville and Tryon, Georgia. Now, real bad weather. It's a Sunday morning.

This is like, it's Sunday morning in Georgia, no one's going to church. That's how bad of a fucking weather it is. Everyone's literally hunkering down for days of no electricity. So like people are getting food ready and stuff like that. Wood.

Yeah, wood, food, everything. He ended up, they end up in Summerville, Georgia where they pull into a Burger King's drive through at about 7.30 a.m. He gets two cups of coffee and breakfast biscuits and pulls up to the window and talks to the woman in the window. They get their coffee and everything like that.

He said, I hear y'all have a big trade day around here Uh-huh seems to be a sporting goods store what I can gather here She said we have one but it's not open on Sundays only Tuesday through Saturday He said can you buy weapons guns and knives knives and stuff at the trade day? And she said I don't think that they sell them up there But you could probably get some at a pawn shop. Yeah, and he shook his head and he said that takes too long How do you get to the I-59 flea market over in Alabama? It is a fucking freezing rainstorm. There's no flea market going on today It's not this gets the fuck out of here take Ike. So she told him I don't fucking I'm the Burger King lady

I know I know first guess would be I- I 59 I make 515 an hour at this point I'm not say it's on the interstate right I get on the interstate over there get going so I Guess that he pulled out and followed highway 48 after that So she said when you get to the top of the mountain someone at the store up there We'll be able to tell you how to get to the guy just go to the top of the mountain, someone at the store up there will be able to tell you how to get to the, just go to the top of a mountain and find a store. You're on a quest for the top of the mountain.

And ask them. This is like, you're gonna see a Torino with no wheels on it. Inside that Torino is my cousin, Jack. Good tell you. I ain't even from around here. Everyone's outside of Chicago. So Patty was sitting there all huddled up,

and the Burger King lady said, do you need that coffee to wake you up? And she said, I need something to wake me up this morning. The woman said that Patty looked very tired and frail. Yeah, she just slept in a motel bar, and locked in a car. So they paid for everything they pull out. They turned left toward Tryon, Georgia,

instead of going to the right, which is the way the lady told him to go. So that's interesting. He drove through the town's intersections and went, saw the Chattoga County Courthouse and all that kind of shit. He drove around aimlessly for a while before seeing a car. He started following a woman

driving a green Nissan Maxima as she drove through town into a residential area. Okay, he followed her closely, keeping pace with her as she sped up to not be bumper to bumper with this guy. When she turned into her driveway, he pulled in directly behind her. In her driveway? In her driveway and watched her as she got out of the car

and went into the house and stayed in the car. She went in, closed the door, then opened it back up and screamed. Can I help you? Yeah, what the fuck? What do you want weirdo? So he didn't answer so she asked a second time. Do you need help and He leaned out of the car and said we're lost Then got back into the car and closed the door Yeah, which is fucking ridiculous January 23rd 2000 this is this day the 22nd next next day. They slept and did all that by mid-afternoon It is really getting nasty. It's to into Calp County, Alabama

Yeah, okay fallen trees are everywhere power lines are about to pop everybody's expecting the worst for the next few days And yeah, there's a mountain resort town called Mentone or menton or M E N T O N E Mentone is out looks like but who knows who knows I'm sorry down there. It's mitten. Yeah, you go. How do you spell that? I Don't know mitten Sound it out motherfucker. Yeah, men ton. I don't know tons of mints So they said a quaint village situated at the highest point in the county expected to have some problems with the storm Yeah, it's a quiet little town so

1030 a.m. To women who live farther down the road from the lady he freaked out here Decided to walk up the road and look at storm damage So they're walking up and they see the Lincoln stopped in the road with its emergency flashers on. Oh. Got his hazards on. So the one woman said, let's ask those people if they need some help.

And at first they didn't answer. It's him and Patty in the car. They just sit there silently while they're asked. Then he rolled the window down and told her he didn't need any help. He was quote, letting his transmission cool down. Letting it cool down while it's running I've never heard of a transmission cooling

Have you they don't have fans. It's not a thing. I've heard of a I mean if you're going uphill I think we'll get some over. Yeah, I've never I mean a radiator or something like that. I'm letting the transmission cool down Yeah, unless you had like a five ton load behind you and you were coming down a fucking mountain and had to downshift The hallway and all that then you might need to let it cool You're an eight-year leave and got a temperature gauge on your transmission. I think a Lincoln Town car isn't really The tranny usually isn't what it's probably fine So they said he was described as being a large man with dark hair Yeah, and they could see the woman in the part passenger seat

She had dark hair and glasses and was wearing a blue coat, she said. Her face was red like she'd been crying. She said she was standing by the passenger side window and noticed the woman appeared to have been crying and looked as if she was very upset. As they began to walk back toward their home, this isn't in Mentone yet,

this is on the way, still in Georgia. As they began to walk back to their home, the Lincoln pulled into a driveway And both women noticed the Ohio license plates because we're in northwest, Georgia, right? That's weird. So Rhee and Donald perch Okay, Rhea and Donald perch Rhea's 39 and her husband Donald's 52. Yeah, okay, they were driving Slowly to get to their home in Mentone because they had been to Atlanta going to the Norman Rockwell exhibit at the High Museum of Art.

So they're driving home. It's a rainstorm. And they're stopping to visit relatives in central Alabama when the storm began. So they're like, Oh shit, this is bad. Um, I guess this is, they've had some tough time. Donald had broken three ribs in an accident. Just 45 into, 45 minutes into his first day of work on New Year's Day. And he's still recuperating, so Ria's driving the truck because it hurts him to drive the pickup truck.

So they're going very slow on icy, icy roads and making sure to look out for downed power lines and shit I mean it's dangerous they were talking about if there's fallen trees blocking the road where are they gonna go they're saying that we're not gonna be able to find a motel room because people are gonna be looking for those so they out of nowhere they feel bang they got hit from behind by something so they turn around and they assume the big car that was following them had hit an icy patch,

couldn't slow down and bashed into them from the backs. They're like, oh, god damn it. They pull over to the side of the road, County Road 641, and Ria looks into the rear view mirror and sees a light colored Lincoln older model following her into the turn and slowing down behind them like you would do if you bumped into someone by accident. She stops the truck, Don gets out of the passenger side of the pickup. He is you know a little bit stiff

moving around. He doesn't want to fall into the ditch so he didn't go around to the rear of the truck to check for damage. Instead he walked around the front to flag the driver of the Lincoln down and Rhea opened the driver's door and started to get out when Don said said Don stopped her and Donald said hand me the insurance card and Paperwork out of the glove box. I'll exchange information with the guy just stay in the car. Don't worry about it She got back in the truck got all the shit gave it to him, you know everything like that just at that moment She heard a crunch. Oh She heard Don shout

So she thought oh my god, he hit the car again this fucking guy couldn't stop. This is crazy and She thought that Don was yelling at the driver to stop when she looked up She saw Don Hanging off the hood of the Lincoln holding on to the windshield wipers While aiming stop screaming stop all the cars going faster and faster away from my god yeah this is fucking crazy it's nuts he and he floors it too I mean this is a Hayward floors it so the car it's crazy basically he had he he got out stand next to the car Hayward just ran him over and knocked him onto the hood this guy rather than fall off held on to the

windshield wiper so he wouldn't fall off So he said he started to fall off the hood and that's when he you know He didn't want to be dragged underneath the car so he kept holding on for dear life here screaming. I've got broken ribs Stop stop stop no time for that shit. Yeah, I got broken a lot of shit now So he said that his fingers were you know losing their grip. Yeah, he said oh my god This is fucked at least it's a big flat hood. Yeah, Lincoln's a bit I mean what it's a king-sized bed. I mean you could you could have an orgy up on that thing So he said he as the guys going faster Donald felt his boots strike against the bumper

So he got a foothold and used that leverage to fire himself up farther Yeah, so he pulled himself up and he's like looking at the eye. He said he's face to face with him and he said he's staring directly at him but he said all I could see is his eyes. He said he can this is from Donald. He continued to accelerate faster and faster. I was yelling why are you doing this? He said I thought this was a road rage at first.

Then I saw his face and all I could see was madness He had this mad insane look I knew I was in trouble and I prayed he wouldn't put on the brakes and drive over me Yeah, fair. They drag dragged him for more than 200 yards He said I'll never forget that look he looked me right in the eyes and then flipped me the finger Which is amazing get off off my car. Wow. Fuck you. I'm gonna kill you. So that's wild shit here.

He had hit him in the legs, which shot him up on the hood, luckily. He said though, later on, he said, I was two feet from his face yelling, stop, stop, why are you doing this? And at first I thought he was just mad, but then I saw he was a mad man. Anyway, what ends up going on here is he can't jump off because the girl flying so he doesn't know what to do

He said I hope at least he'd slow down at one point Now meanwhile the wife is seeing this happen. She gets in the car and starts following. Oh wow. It's like holy shit What's going on here? What the fuck man help me here? So it didn't stop it kept speeding down the road and disappeared over a hill So she went after not in the car. She's running. Oh, so He was afraid that they might and Don was saying he thought maybe this guy's gonna turn around and go run his wife over too So what ends up happening at one point? Hey, we're just flicks the car

Yeah, like to the side and shoots down off the hood. Yeah into a ditch. I mean tumbling. It's a it's bad it's real bad, so he's in a ditch and That's what's going on. And so this is fucking crazy saved his life though Yeah, I guess so he continues to flee as Ria is now in the ditch trying to get her husband out of the ditch He's got broken legs a shattered knee two broken wrists. He's all fucked up in the ditch and including his broken ribs. But she's trying to help him out. And this is a great quote from Donald. He said, quote, I told Rita to stop helping me and go to the highway and get some goddamn help. Quit fucking with me and go get a goddamn confident ambulance. What the fuck are you doing? You don't have

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Yeah, Pumphrees, the two of them. They're two single Pumphrees together forming a plural Pumphree. So they live at the end of County Road 641 on the outskirts of Mentone and now they have like all Gat they do this on purpose they have all gas shit So when the power goes out, they'll be okay as this happens all the time. They always had they had tons of food They stored in large freezers in case of emergencies and they would cook for all their neighbors Really? Because they were like one of the only people who had all this shit

So yeah They would cook also for the rescue squad workers and road crews because they're just out pulling people out of the road constantly So they would do that they spent all day cooking meals for neighboring families. That's what they're doing all day They don't have any kids or anything like that. So they have time fun This is what you have time to do when you don't have kids You can cook for the entire neighborhood or with a smile one small child and not with a smile So yeah, they have no children or anything like that. There's kids next door and they want to make sure they have food He's been cooking all day James Pumphrey and

Helping his neighbors and doing nice things here earlier in the day They loaded up their truck with several large plastic tanks and bottles which they filled with spring water and hauled that so everybody in the neighborhood would have water too. Pretty amazing. After dinner, James is standing at the sink washing dishes looking out the kitchen window and he realizes there's a car sitting across the road in the gate to his neighbor's pasture. Is it a Lincoln? It's a big Lincoln. And the trunk lid was raised and had been left up and he sees a big man walking up the

road toward his house. Okay, so They have chocolate labs these two so they barked and the guy just kept walking He said the dogs have never shown aggression toward anybody in their life and they immediately started growling and snapping at him Yeah, they can tell crazy when they see it So yeah hair on the back of their neck stand up and all that kind of shit So this guy James figured this guy's must have crashed his car in a patch of ice So, you know, he said oh shit, let me go out there so he steps out onto the porch he said hey you need any help and he sees the dogs go toward him and

He watches his female dog jump up and snap at the guys Oh, and he's like, oh shit and the guy the guy looked like he like punched back at the dog Yeah, so James thought perhaps the dog bit the man. So he said are you did my dogs bite you with what's going on here? So he turned around and looked on the porch behind him trying to see what happened to his dog And when he turned around Hayward's right in front of him standing on the bottom step without any word or warning he reaches up and Stabs James in the abdomen with a large sharp knife. Oh my god. So yeah, he's got it now just no warning Nope, just stabbed in the stomach and he never saw the knife. Oh or anything. This guy was standing there next thing

You know, he's stabbed in the stomach. He wasn't looking he's looking the guy in the eye And then we thought he needed help. Yeah, this guy was helping people all day. So he was like, oh, another person to help. He didn't expect this guy would stab him. So this is crazy. He didn't realize anything was going on. So he said he didn't even know he was stabbed in the stomach until he noticed there's blood gushing from his stomach. And he was like, oh shit.

So he staggered back inside the door and fucking Hayward follows him on the porch trying to stab him Yeah And at that point he tried he also goes after the dogs and we'll talk about that for a second here Now James tells his wife sue whatever you do don't open that door. I've been stabbed Yeah, so before they could close the door and lock it they read the Hayward reaches inside and grabs sue Oh think about that inside the door his big arm comes read the Hayward reaches inside and grabs Sue oh think about that inside the door his big arm comes in just grabs her by the

collar after he's been stabbed yeah and tries to pull her outside the door so as he's holding on her one hand with one hand the dogs are still attacking him outside the dogs are biting and biting he starts stabbing the dog yeah so yeah so Sue screams don't do that to my dogs But he kept pulling her through the doorway And Sue was like, oh shit. So Sue said I'll never forget his face and I'll never forget his eyes That's what caught my attention with everything going on. So quickly his eyes were just unreal. It was like he didn't have a soul So she's trying to fight her way free and the dogs are biting him luckily for her

Yeah, and he is attacking the dogs and stabbing he'll kill both dogs by the way of course he does which is fucking horrible I want to stab one will kill a dog. Yeah. Yeah, he's attacking these dogs horrifying, but I mean they're doing their jobs They're protecting their fucking owners, which is the great dog at least running running. These are top notch dog action Yeah, they're really literally letting her get away so Yeah, this is all going on and so sue here Tries to get out she ends up Because of this is able to get his hand off of her and close and lock the door nice

So they managed to go into the bedroom where they have a rifle and a shotgun nice so they get the 22 rifle off the gun wrap gun rack here at the time they get it off they accidentally fire around all which hits their freezer in the next room by accident now that at least you'd hear a gunshot oh shit they have a gun in there it might have been a smart smart movie and it was an accident through the kitchen window they saw that he was done with the dogs and was heading around to the back of the trailer. He's coming Wow He's coming so he was looking for a way to get inside So true sues trying to help James stand up and hold the rifle Yeah, and they both see the stab wound and he's got you know, it's bad. It's deep

So they got to get to the back door before he gets in and they have the rifle so they get on to the back porch and he comes around the corner and They sue raises the rifle and points it at him Yeah And says she said it took him and me both to hold up that gun meaning her and Jay her and husband He went down to his knees and I had to help him So James said to the intruder you take another step and I'll kill you. Yeah, so hey word just keeps coming Oh, so he tries to fire another round, but it jams. Oh my god. He said he's had the gun for years

It's never jammed what a day first I fired once today And I would never again so they didn't he didn't realize it misfired apparently He saw the weapon and realized oh shit Yeah, they are gonna shoot me, and he then said don't shoot me. I'm leaving uh-huh So he turned around and ran back down the driveway across the road to his car Yeah, so then they heard the car's engine roar away, and they were like holy shit James said if I had the shotgun down off the rack I would have killed him, but I got the 22 instead

It had never jammed before not one time since I've had it that that gun jammed and I've shot it hundreds of times Wow, the way I look at it. The Lord didn't want did the Lord did it because he didn't want that man's blood on my hands Wow, it was that You got your own blood on your hands though. This guy almost had both of their blood on his hands So he was quickly going into shock at this point, too So yeah, he they crossed the yard they get into the truck to go get help Yeah, he didn't realize he was black blacking out here and there as well by the way because he's losing blood They start driving down highway 117. She's trying to keep him awake and

she start driving down Highway 117. She's trying to keep him awake. And they managed to get the truck stopped. They saw a group of people and several vehicles pulled over on the side of the roads. They were like, awesome. She said, somebody help me. James has been stabbed. I need help. She screams out of the truck. She didn't know that this was the guy that she just met this is that this was the the Donald and Ria's Oh

Accident scene that everybody was around. Yeah, it was Donald in a ditch She had no idea. So this is this is fucked up. So um, yeah This is wild. So back to the pritches by the way, the people who were hit and run over and all that kind of thing here This is fucking crazy. There's a guy who basically has run over and all that kind of thing here. This is fucking crazy There's a guy who basically has a tractor and he drives up and down highway 117 looking for people To help at this during a nice this whole community It's a small town. They all know each other. They all help each other. It's real tiny up there So yeah along he's driving up and down the highways

This is what Rhea perch saw this guy coming. So was like oh my god. Thank you great, so um He was like this guy pulled over with his tractor. He's like holy shit. Yeah, you've been intentionally run down This is crazy So the Walter the guy with the tractor ran over to one of the nearby homes where he knew the residents had a rescue squad Radio and could summon help even though the phone lines were down Homes where he knew the residents had a rescue squad radio and could summon help even though the phone lines were down So within a matter of minutes volunteers from the lookout mountain rescue squad had been Receiving reports of hit and runs and all that kind of shit. So Walter started back to help Don and Ria in the in the ditch

Okay, there's a guy named James McCrary who had driven into Mentone to pick up a dren a generator and was returning home when Rhea flagged him down Don still in the ditch over here and all this type of shit so yeah there's also an ambulance on the way a young couple from Fort Payne had driven up to Mentone to check out a friend and they They turned and helped here. They noticed as they turned around to leave They noticed what appeared to be a silver colored car with its trunk lid raised As they turned around to leave they noticed what appeared to be a silver colored car with its trunk lid raised Backed in beside the pond pasture across from their friend's driveway. That was by the the the pump free house there

So as they drove their Jeep back toward the main highway, they saw Ria and James on the side of the road Kneeling over Don in the ditch. So they stopped to see what happened and gave they gave the guy a blanket they had in the Jeep so Ria told them about the hit and run and Don said he'd been run down by a big light colored car so they asked can you go somewhere and call 911 please so the couple went for help they realized the car they just saw parked probably was that car right there that makes sense so they found a phone they called 911 and they went back to tell everybody was that they had seen the car They called 9-1-1 So the guy stops and gets out the James McCrary guy gets out joins the group of people that are on the side of the road to help John Don and

The the rescue squad started to bring responders here So people are all sorts of people on the side of the road. He parked his tractor on the side of the road to wait for the ambulance. Ree is wondering how much longer it's gonna take. He's husband's in a ditch. Fucking broken in pieces, freezing and shivering with freezing rain and ice falling down on him.

It's just at that time that she began to scream because the Lincoln came back. Oh, there it is. There it is and is heading straight because the Lincoln came back. There it is. There it is and is heading straight for the crowd of people. Oh my God. He's back again trying to kill all of them again. So Ria thought this can't be fucking happening right now.

What do we do to this guy? The car sped up, approached, and the driver, the Lincoln smashed full force into the tractor. Bashed into the tractor, everybody scattered. tractor everybody scattered. Yeah, it's crazy It's it's wild shit So it's he they said the guy popped back up from behind the steering wheel and Backed the Lincoln up several yards then aimed the car toward the group of people now And so and they were all trying to save shield Don crazy shit, so he takes off and

Drives right at him But then swerves back onto the road without hitting any of them Just scares the shit out of them and then races down highway 117. Okay, cuz he had just stabbed somebody. Yeah, so wow hit them Hit them went after him again stabbed a guy then said let me run these people over one more time. Hmm This is fucking crazy. So And let me run these people over one more time. Hmm. This is fucking crazy. So rescue workers have already reported the first hit and run, and now they're talking

to the radios. Everyone's like, what is going on right now? What's happening? So they said that it looks like the car's heading toward Mentone down an icy mountain road heading into Hammondsville or Hammondville. So he does that. The Mentone police chief, Jeff Bainain had been notified by this accident here and On country roads 641 when he saw the Lincoln headed toward town

So he reported its travel of direction to the dispatcher and decided to continue on To the roadside where people are waiting for the ambulance here when they gave When the bystanders gave him the town cars tag number, told him about the drivers intentional attempt to run them down, a small tan Ford Ranger pulls up. That's when Sue sees the crowd of people and gets out and goes, you gotta help James. This is all coming together here. So Sue, you know, knew, they said it's gotta be guy. Yes. This is fucking crazy here So yeah, the officer here the Bane guy Reporting everything on the radio. There's been a stabbing. There's been a killing the dogs have been killed There'd be brand these people over all this type of shit. So the chief here. This is chief Busby It's about 4 p.m. And chief Busby is out

Just basically he's the chief of police but on a night like this there's not a lot of crime this is just a rescue night it's basically he's gonna be pulling cars out of ditches and shit all night long so he took off didn't even bring his gun no he didn't bring his gun with him he just took that don't have that so the chief's patrol car radio was blaring the you know be on the lookout for this car So according to a 911 dispatcher Older model Lincoln Town car had been involved in all this so Busby turns his car car toward the mountain heads up to highway

117 but before he gets to the top of it here comes the Lincoln coming downhill Adam So he fucking flips a Huey. Oh Gets behind him screaming into the radio for backup because he doesn't have his gun. This is not good. I'm ill prepared. Not prepared for this shit. So now they're chasing him at this point. So Mentone, Police Chief Johnny Ferguson,

and Valley Head Assistant Chief Wayne Wooten make it to the intersection of US Highway 11 and Alabama 117 and throw a roadblock in into place just as Lincoln comes barreling through, which doesn't seem like he's much for stopping at this point. The car reaches the crossroads here, and the one police officer, Ferguson, cut in front of the car, and the other car

swerved into place behind it. So they basically made a two-car barrier that you're not gonna get through. You might hit it, but you're not gonna get through you might hit it But you're not gonna get through it So they do that they stop the car the Wooten guy jumps out of the car and approaches the Lincoln with his gun drawn That's gonna go. I'll shoot you if you want it now at this point you got a deadly weapon if you're gonna shoot one animal I'm gonna shoot you so the Hayward starts revving the engine like he's gonna take off, which is not great

So this guy stood firm held his gun and said don't fucking do it, dude I'll fucking shoot you so at that point the other cop comes to the driver's side with his weapon drawn So he's got two guns on him one from the front one from the side He's pretty screwed now. Where are you gonna go? So at this point, he said, all right, fine, he stopped. Offers no resistance, the Ferguson guy opens the car door, pulls him out by his shirt, which he'd have to wanna come out because he weighs 400 pounds.

Pulls him out by his fucking quadruple X. Yeah. So by his big dog gear or whatever the fuck he was wearing. So at that point, he gets out of the car, but he forgot to put him park Oh, no, so the car starts rolling rolls over Hayward's ankle Ah, they said he never even never but didn't even flinch didn't bother us It didn't make a sound didn't even say ouch. You didn't go. Hey that ran over my I didn't notice it Oh my didn't even notice it. So it began to speed up in its forward roll

So the Wooten guy the first cop who jumped in front of it he chases after the car jumps in it Yeah, and jumps in the driver's seat flips the gear shift in the park and shuts off the engine Okay, he looks over and set and notices that he basically Sat right next to almost on top of a large bloody knife. Oh sat right next to almost on top of a large bloody knife. Oh. Like uh-oh. So he gets away from the knife and then notices that someone else is in the car.

Notices the passenger seat. He says step out of the car, but then stops because he said the stench of blood was overpowering. Oh boy. And he saw that the passenger's left arm, which lay close to him on the front seat, didn't have a hand on it. Oh Jesus. Had a freshly severed hand. It was at the at the wrist and was lying on the

floorboard. Cut a hand off. Along with what appeared to be several internal organs. Oh Jesus. So he goes holy shit looks at her at the person the passenger seat he said it's a either a young girl or a small woman had her seatbelt fastened and her clothing Rearranged over a gaping hole in her chest where her heart had been cut out Oh lord, he fucking buttoned her blouse back up put a seatbelt on her like weekend to Bernie's and fucking hand off She's yeah this whole time. He's been doing this. This is what he's had in the car Oh my god, her throat was cut from ear to ear Her heart and liver had been cut out. Her eyes had been taken out. What the hell? No eyeballs and

her right leg had been cut off at the knee. What? And was on the back seat floorboard. What is going on? Yeah this is a physical manifestation of everything that's in this guy's brain. Yeah. A mess with organs. Big question mark in the passenger seat. Holy shit. So this cop is just processing this. I don't care how many times you, and it's a small town cop. I've seen a lot of this, but I don't care how many times you've seen this. This is shocking. He's had a lot of time with this body too. Yeah. He's like, what's going on? So then he jumped out and said, there's a body in the car.

There's a body in the car. Holy fuck. Like Jesus Christ. So Busby and Ferguson, out and said there's a body in the car, there's a body in the car holy fuck like Jesus Christ. So Busby and Ferguson, the other two cops run over to stand with that with Wooten outside the car. They look inside and just see this. It's horrifying. The Busby cop said when I saw her, I felt cold chills all over my body. You can be in law enforcement for years and then you run across something very unusual,

especially for such a small town. Yeah, is it normal? They said I thought it was a mannequin at first because the cuts were so precise and such an unreal thing to fucking see right He's not used to seeing that so the one cop asked who is everything all right, and this guy said there's a dead girl I'm not all right very fucking far from all right. Nothing's all right. Oh my god So they see her slumped over seatbelt fastened and right leg severed at the knee and all that kind of shit And they were like, oh my god So as they're wrestling him to the ground they noticed his shirt was wet by the way while Wooten was doing this in the car They were wrestling him to the ground. They realized he was soaked with blood. Yeah, so they tried to handcuff him

But the cuffs wouldn't fit on his wrist. He's too big Yeah, so they ended up grabbing a pair of leg irons and using them for handcuffs. That's how big this guy is That's a big he's like Kuklinski. That's what they had to do the ice man So the two of them they're doing that and that's when Wooten jumped and found everything in there So it is horrifying the cops are shook over this shit I mean they said the one cop Smith said he never saw such a sure such a brutality ever another officer named Thomas Hubbard and the other guy Smith started roping off the area and You know, they were paramedics arrived to check the body for a pulse. I think we're beyond a pulse now

She doesn't know there is no heart in her body. It's on the floorboard. It's no way the floor Unbelievable There is no heart in her body, it's on the floorboard. It's on the floorboard, oh, yeah. Unbelievable. So the bloody lock blade knife was open on the front seat where the guy had been sitting. So they walk over to Bissell who's on the ground and they're just like, whoa, this fucking guy did some shit. He remained completely silent from the moment he was pulled out at gunpoint.

But as they attempted to get him up on the pavement, he just said, I can't, my foot's broke. Because he got ran over. But at the time he didn't even care. So they told him to get up again, and they told him they'll help him to his feet, so he cooperates and they help him up to his feet. They say, have anybody searched him yet?

Please search him. So they pat him down, checking for weapons, and that's when he said, there's a rock in my pocket Yeah, as if telling them to look in the pocket, right? So they searched his pants pockets didn't find anything They put him in the patrol car to take him to the sheriff's office They said his arms were totally covered in blood as well as his shirt and pants He kept his hand on his shirt pocket. They must have cuffed him up front Yeah

They kept his hand on his shirt pocket like he was trying to hide something One of the officers pulled the pocket open looked inside and said I think it's a finger or something Oh boy, so they said leave it leave it in there and get him to the sheriff's office We'll figure it out that which is a very weird thing to do so inside the car. They processed the car and Took a lot of photographs obviously and they said she was in a blue cloth jacket was buttoned up her seat belt fastened She wore a black shirt black and white pants and sneakers Hand and what appeared to be a heart were laying on the passenger side floorboard and a blood and her liver too and a bloody Knife is there as well

Massive chest wounds clothing had been carefully rearranged Also a pair of small metal frame glasses were out crumpled on the front front seat and blood spatter. She wears glasses No eyes like we said That's fucking wild so they they collect her hand and heart from where the flood board what for the the floorboard They get her severed right leg from the back seat still wearing a tennis shoe and a Mickey Mouse sock Wow Christ all the parts are they fine except for her eyes Which they figure later for that he ate what? He ate them what is going on?

The whole day. Now there's no none of this makes any sense. No, by the way, we have a happy dog ending. So there is that. So keep that in mind. Everybody. But every everything he does is crazier than the next. It's all that's I mean, it's progressively crazy.

Not a reason for a single behavior. Somehow it's going to get crazier, too, by the way. This isn't the peak of crazy here It's not like oh, then he goes to court, and it's over now. There's more So they find inside the car a kissing crane brand lock blade knife a Smith and Wesson lock Smith and Wesson Lockblade swat knife and the box it came in a man's brown leather jacket a black leather person a pair of women's glasses Inside the purse was a checkout slip from Norwalk, Ohio Public Library Patricia had gone to the library on the 20th of January and checked out several books dealing with relationships depression and babies

She's doing self-help stuff. That's well the titles include is your child depressed when feeling bad is good And after the baby is born and and good women get angry yeah The books were due to be returned in early February and at the top of this checkout slip. It said happy new year grocery lists in the purse a budget tallying monthly expenses and bills coupons grocery cash club cards and a Reminder for cards for doctors appointment also contained a $20 bill tucked out of sight Probably, you know everybody emergency 20. Yeah a receipt for a 1300 Winchester 12 gauge shotgun was also found in the car Bissell sold the shotgun on January 19th to a store called the outdoorsmen for $150

There's a lot there. Okay, so they bagged everything up, and that's wild shit. Now, one of the cops said, quote, how can a human being do something like that to another human being? Where are her eyes? They couldn't find her eyes,

and they assume that she had ate them. Now, they take him upstairs in the police station, pulled a chair around, and he tries to sit in the cop's chair. And they said, no, stop, come back around here and sit down where we told you, but he kept ignoring them. No, that one looks comfy.

So what they do is they use their foot to just scoot the chair away, and so he almost falls down, and then he goes and sits in the right spot. So, the investigator comes in, sits down, and asks him a few questions doesn't say shit He just slaps his in his chair and ignores him. So they refuse to respond to this guy in any way doesn't do shit So they take photographs of him of all of his you know wounds and everything like that They first item they pull from his shirt pocket is a bloody $5 bill

Yeah, okay. It's the only money found on him and apparently the only cash he had $5 it was over. That's it in another item the other item in his pocket What they thought was a finger earlier yeah turns out to be a human esophagus Whoa about six inches long he cut her throat out her human esophagus. Whoa. About six inches long. He cut her throat out? Cut her fucking esophagus out. The cop pulled it partially out of the pocket

so it could be photographed, then left it in the pocket while they waited for another officer to arrive for some reason. Let's just leave it in there. I guess to collect it. The one cop said, I noticed Bissell slump to the left, pull his hand up to his shirt pocket and take out the esophagus. He sat still for a couple of seconds, then slumped to the left once again, pulling his hand up to his mouth.

And they saw him that he was trying to eat the esophagus. What the fuck man. They yelled no don't do that and pushed it away from his house. They said hey he's eating the evidence the one guy says which is fucking crazy push away from his mouth So they ran down the hall like you gotta come in here. This is fucking crazy They tried to take the esophagus away from him and back at his evidence obviously It is horrifying so finally The one guy held his hand under

Hey words and said give it to me spit it out get it get it so he hesitated a few seconds then drop the esophagus into the cops and imagine that your job hand me that esophagus give me that wow on that is fucking insane I don't even know what to say about that that's wild so they took him downstairs. Group of officers strip search him, take blood samples,

and they photograph all of his wounds. He's got cuts and blood stains and all sorts of shit all over him. He's a mess. At 5, 10 p.m., tell him about his rights again, and all that kind of thing, try to talk to him. He just sits there unresponsive. Then after about 45, then he starts talking and starts talking rambling for 45 minutes

He's just seems rational one minute that makes bizarre comments the next right he claimed to understand where he was and Why he was being questioned, but he's also a little wacky He said I'm a secret sir a secret agent with the Secret Service little wacky he said I'm a secret sir a secret agent with the Secret Service and He said you guys aren't cleared to receive these answers to the questions you're asking Yeah, he said that he doesn't want an attorney But he's being questioned under duress because they were asking questions of him without the property security clearance the proper security Closure you don't below above your pay grade guys So they he told detectives he was a friend of Patricia's and that he was on a top secret mission.

The major part of which was terminating her. Oh yeah. He claimed his supervisor at the secret service was named David Wilbur Light and even gave James and Bella telephone number for Agent Light. Oh they said what's your, what else do you got to say? And he said, well, my secret service badge number is 666. Oh, boy. Perfect. And I work out of an office in Cleveland. Yeah.

They asked him if he killed Patricia, and he said, I killed no one else. Unless that one guy stabbed his dead, I don't know, but I killed, that was the only person. So he then told them he killed her in a parking lot of a service station Outside Somerville, Georgia and that he committed the murder and the murder mutilation using the knife that was there. He said The quote she was killed in the prescribed method for killing black witches. Oh boy Okay, and she's not black like like race black, you know

I've got a color color of the aura. Yeah, exactly He said they came south from Ohio because he was bringing the young woman from Ohio to Georgia It was part of his assignment and he continued to complain that he was being questioned that you're not cleared to hear these answers I'm gonna get fired you guys. They said who told you to do this and he said yeah a secret source I said too much So they treat him for some injuries dog bites and and who had cuts on his hands and shit Then they bring him back for more questioning. Yeah this time they bring in a couple other people They bring in a different people Sheriff's Office county people, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation

is there, all hands on deck for this crazy motherfucker. So. He's not gonna believe this shit. This is wild. They returned there and they went downstairs into the jail to bring him up for the interview. Bissell decided that this guy also was not a high enough rank or status

to escort him to the second floor. He said, your clearance is not high enough for you to either talk to me or take me anywhere What is your name and badge number? My name is Hayward William Bissell and my badge number 666 right, so this guy gave him all of his information and Yeah, and then he noticed that there's Jimmy Harris and James Harris are the agents Yeah, and I will Jimmy Harris Apple Jimmy Harris and James Harris, are the agents. And I- Triple Jimmy Harris's. Triple Jimmy's and James here. And he said that, he noticed that they had like

identical name tags. Yeah. And he said, what's your name? Asked Agent Harris. He asked Agent Harris and he said, I'm Agent James Harris with the Georgia Bureau of Investigation. And he said, what's your name?

And he said, I'm Jimmy Harris with the Sheriff's Department. We get this all the time too. Confuses the shit out of people. It really does. It's a lot of fun. So he looked back and forth between them and said, you're trying to kill me. So the agent Harris here, one of them went back upstairs and out of sight here to his reassurance. We're not here to kill you. So then the other lieutenant Harris took him to the second floor with no further incident now He's partially dressed because the jail had no full sets of clothing on hand that were anywhere near big enough to fit him Yeah, he was brought into the interrogation room looking all bloody and all sorts of shit like that

And this time it says a little bit more He said I am a secret sir secret agent for Secret Service, and I have successfully completed my mission. It was to terminate her. He said that he'd been engaged to her three times, and he cut her throat, gouged her eyes out, cut her heart out, removed her right leg and left hand. He said, I've been sent on missions involving her three times before, but I never before

had been ordered to terminate her. At first, I was ordered to put her out on the side of the road, but I never before had been ordered to terminate her. At first I was ordered to put her out on the side of the road, but I didn't want to do that because I cared for her. So I thought I'd cut her heart out instead, eat her esophagus. Told the officers that he and Patricia had been traveling from Ohio to visit his parents

and all that kind of shit. They also get a surveillance tape, because they're trying to figure out when this happened exactly. She was dead at four, but she was alive when. So they find a surveillance tape from 2 24 PM that shows, uh, them going into a store at two 32. He went, he goes to the bathroom and comes out and wanders around two 34. You can see Patricia coming inside the building and all of that. She came in tentatively, looked around.

236, she stood at the door and looked out toward the Lincoln in the parking lot. And yeah, so they returned to the town car and that's when they think this all happened. Wow. That's when he started accusing her of becoming, of being a black witch and a secret agent and all this type of shit He said he tried to tell her tried to get her to tell him which of the two she was a witch or a spy Oh, you're obviously one of the two yeah for about an hour, but she was scared to say anything Yeah, so he claimed that all the while he was trying to force her to get out of the car He was hearing voices in his head telling him to kill her

He was trying to force her to get out of the car. He was hearing voices in his head telling him to kill her He said that he believed he was either double o seven or the devil not sure Yeah, I'm either James Bond or Satan. I can't decide yet you pick He told an inmate later on I told Patty She was a double agent in a black witch then I asked her do you know you where you are Patty and she said Georgia And that was the last word she said I reached into my back seat got the knife And cut her throat. I was just following orders. I was her supervisor. She was lying So I terminated her they were in Georgia by the way, so she's not lying so

He they said where did you kill her? He said I don't remember the name of the town But it had a dollar general store every small town there and another store that started with the letters AB. We parked at that store a few minutes and then drove 15 or 20 minutes until we came to a service station. He said that had a yellow sign with red letters outside and a milk advertisement,

and the gas pumps were red and blue. Remembers a lot. He said, I went in to use the bathroom. And he said, well, when you were in the store, and then he said, when you went into the store, the counter was on the left side, and the restroom was in the back of the store on the left. So he's describing the store. When he left the store, he said he got in the Lincoln

and got in. He said, at that time, I received orders to terminate her from the satellites, I assume. And I did so in a manner in which I'd been directed. He said that the orders were coming from inside of his head So where to come from is inside my head floppy Wi-Fi. I got floppy Why floppy Wi-Fi here he told the officers he terminated her with two knives that could be found inside the Lincoln They were inside the Lincoln. So they asked him if he had

You know if it had they asked him basically did it hurt to carry out the orders because you loved this woman and he said no it didn't hurt me at all he said he killed her he seatbelted her back into the car and continued on and he kept receiving orders to make lefts and rights from inside of his head which way to turn no we're go okay this way it's like his own little GPS he's got going on there that's nice he claimed he didn't know his destination but in route the voices in his head told him to The route the voice has told him to take was bringing him to interstate 59

Which was only a couple miles west of Mentone Now he said he told investigators that the murder and dismemberment took about 10 to 15 minutes That was before that or I'm sorry that that was only 10 to 15 minutes before he attempted to run down Don Perch in Mentone. He claimed he'd been directed to ram into Perch's truck and run over the driver. He said, I shot the driver a bird, giving him the finger,

while he was hanging on the hood of my car. Then he said he received additional orders. He said, after that, I was directed to drive down a road and terminate another man. I attempted to terminate this man by stabbing him with my Smith and Wesson knife that I used to kill the two dogs. He said the man he stabbed ran into the home and got a.22 and said I'll kill you. So he left and then he said he was directed by the voices to ram into a bucket tractor and then was ordered to drive into a crowd of people standing on the side of the road

He told the officers the esophagus in his shirt pocket here was one from one of the dogs Which it wasn't that was a human esophagus, but he lied about that for some reason So they claimed He claimed he was aware of why he was being questioned and all that kind of thing They said he appeared to be more paranoid than before and would not agree for the interview to be tape Recorded he just kept saying over and over again. This was an approved mission It was an approved mission and you don't have proper clearance to question me about it. You don't have a claim on me So blood evidence showed they're gonna connect this all and figure out that he killed her at a convenience store

Outside try on a short distance from Somerville Yeah, that's what happened here And then he drove into Alabama because she was still warm when they got to it's freezing outside. So Wow, he they explained To him that well if you killed her in Georgia, you might have to go to Georgia to talk to their investigators and He said I don't understand what's happening here. I'm an agent of the Secret Service. This is all a mistake Send me home send me home. So he said I'm not making any further statements. I want an attorney He said I'm not authorized to travel to Georgia. He's authorized to murder people would not travel

So they he did were in there. He requested an attorney so they had to stop now So they he did were in there he requested an attorney so they had to stop now He gets in his cell refusing to talk anymore, and then he gets even more out of control By that night he demolished his entire cell he ripped the pipes and plumbing out of the wall That's how strong he is he ripped fucking pipes from the wall. She tried doing that everybody. It's not easy especially in a jail They're meant to not be able to be ripped out of the wall They're screwed in that's wild. So he did all that. He's ripping it out of the wall He took all of his clothes off by the way Puddles of water on the floors all over the jail. He's ranting screaming all the other fucking all the other Inmates are freaking out. They're like this. He's a giant naked cannibal and he's fucking

are freaking out they're like this he's a giant naked cannibal and he's fucking who's ripping pipes out of the wall yeah and he also one of the inmates saw him face down in the toilet eating his own feces Jesus bobbin for poos bobbin for poop so the the jailer chief jailer Bill lands arrives Tuesday morning and sees this and he said get this crazy motherfucker oh an inmate said to him get that crazy motherfucker out of here, man He's creeping everybody out with all that carrying on and the toilets are all shot down. He's eating the brown apples He's doing it all man. He said I can't stand much more of his hollering and banging around He's making everyone sick to their stomachs thinking about all that mess. He's over there up to in his cell. Yeah

Wow, what do you do with him? He's fucking like, I got him out on the lawn. He's bobbing for Snickers bars over here. Do you chain him up outside? What do you do with him? It's fucking crazy. So at that point, they have to take, he has to see a judge. Yeah.

They have to put a bond on him. Right, yeah. Or something. So the one jailor said, there's no way we can bring him up to the courtroom like this. No. He's naked, he like this. No, he's naked He's out of control. He's covered in shit. This isn't good He said he's entirely too dangerous to be taken out of his cell at this time

We can't take that kind of security risk because he's shot. You can't control a guy that big. He's too strong Yeah, you got a fucking tase him the whole time So wow, they decide their best option would be to have the hearing downstairs in the jail cell bring the judge and the Clerk down there, so he doesn't have to move it So they bring a judge down there as they round the corner and approach the cell Oh boy, Howard Bissell sitting on the cell was back toward them completely naked yeah discarded clothing feces yeah

Fucking plumbing carts. It's a scene When When he realized people were there, he slowly turned around and the reporter, the court reporter said, quote, it was the scariest thing I ever saw. It was just like Marlon Brando in that scene in Apocalypse Now. That's not a good comparison. His eyes, I just can't describe the look in them. The judge stood in front of the cell in his robes and began to read the charges at that point Bissell turns around naked and starts shouting obscenities at them and jerking off and Rubbing his dick not rubbing it stroke. Yeah stroking his cock and screaming at them Okay, they kind of get back a little bit, but the judge just kept fucking reading

Yeah, he's seen crazy shit before and he doesn't care. But he's gonna do it anyway. Now the reporter who had ducked out of sight here said, once I saw he was naked, I said, I don't need to see this. While he's beating off. I don't need to do that. So he just keeps doing it.

That's so aggressive. This woman said, I didn't wanna see anymore. If I never see another naked 400 pound man, it'll be too soon for me. So they issue a court order for a mental evaluation. You think the sheriff said this, this is Cecil Reed, DeKalb County Sheriff. He's completely out of control and I want him out of here for his safety and the safety of others. We could not take him into the court even so at the same time everybody else is at

the hospital Pumphrey is saved at the hospital Wow he has a almost five inch cut extending from his navel downward to the left oh fuck his intestines are coming out yeah he's lost tons of blood yeah meanwhile perch the other guy Donald he's a mess. He's broken and everything like that. And they said Don's clothes had been cut out for evidence and he wasn't able to walk without assistance. A nurse gave him a scrub suit about two sizes too big

and he was left without socks or shoes. He didn't even have crutches and they discharged him. Get out. They discharged him like that. Not even crutches on this fucking guy. So he is gonna be charged with, at this very moment, later on, murder. But two attempted murders and attempted burglary,

because that's in Alabama. Now what they're gonna do is, basically, Alabama's like, it happened in Georgia, you take him. And Georgia's like, shit happened in Alabama, he's all yours. Nobody wants this fucking guy Nobody amazing so he talks to an inmate again He says I hear I heard voices in my head and they told me that I owned all the stores. Yeah And then he said we've done this before

Talking about killing people He told the inmate that there was a lot of trees and wooded areas and great many streets in the neighborhood around the gas station where he killed Patricia so he's given more details the inmate tries to cooperate with the cops to help out here because this guy's fucking nuts so Yeah, he said that uh, you know He said that he cut her throat and then went on a rampage is what he the way he put it He said he cut Patricia's hand and leg so she couldn't come back at me that's why she cut her leg and hand off can't come back from the dead and attack me without that stuff wow that is

fucking insane so um you know he went on with the double agent black witch all that kind of shit here so a prisoner's expert medical opinion let's give you here yeah this is this is from the book I'll read it verbatim perhaps the most intelligent comment came from an inmate in a nearby cell a man who was waiting to be Transferred to the state prison for murder of his wife and mother-in-law for insurance money That's interesting She he said that he spent much of his time listening to what Bissell had to say Starting with his first night of screaming and cursing, and then after his return, following evaluation and treatment. After analyzing and observing Bissell at close range

for several months, the inmate stated, this guy's smart, not crazy. Oh. Yeah. He said he continued to, this guy would pull up a metal folding chair to the bars outside the cell and talk to him. Yeah.

He said, but he said, I didn't want to, he said when he would come closer to him, He said, but he said, I didn't want to, he said when he would come closer to him, he would scoot back though. He said, I didn't want to take any chances of him trying to grab me through the bars while it was dark. You never know what somebody like that might do.

Yeah, because he's fucking crazy. He said he was yelling, get out of the halls, get out. He said it was enough to make your hair stand up the way he was hollering. But he did that sometimes at night. He'd be talking to the Lord one minute and the devil the next. Patricia's Autopsy Multiple sharp force injuries that caused the cause of death. Her lower right leg was amputated at

the knee, left hand removed at the wrist, portions of her left lung, heart, liver and stomach were removed, and extensive stab wounds were noted. A group of approximately 30 stab wounds were inflicted to both of Patricia's eyes and the bridge of her nose. Good Christ. Another four stab wounds found on the left side of her neck below the ear.

Sharp force injury that was the first to be inflicted and was most likely the cause of death, meaning the throat cutting. As 15 centimeter incision across the right side of her neck That completely suffer severed her right carotid artery and jugular Jesus the wound also Transsected her epiglottis and completely severed the top of her esophagus, which is the six inches that he had Another sharp force injury was centered around the chest area a large incision from which the left lung and most of her heart were removed

Along with sections of her liver and stomach. He's just reaching in grabbing shit Just reaching in grabbing her enough to get a hand in like like it's a bag of Halloween candy And you're like, I don't care if it's milk duds or Milky Ways. I'm fucking grabbing something. That's good So then they're like, let's search their apartments. Yeah So then they're like let's search their apartments. Yeah They're expecting a Jeffrey Dahmer situation. Yeah, because think about it candy this that all these things that we mentioned earlier Oh, well, that was Wisconsin, but he's from Ohio. Yeah That's what I'm saying Ohio anyway, that's what they're that's what they're expecting so they go inside Patricia's first It was neat and clean

No signs of a struggle nothing to to indicate she was forcibly taken. They got phone bills so they have numbers for a family that they could contact them on. Just calling every number on the phone bill. They checked the apartment, they said nothing was wrong, and then they go to Bissell's apartment here. His door is slightly ajar. Really? Front door?

Front door, slightly ajar. He's in fucking, on his way to Florida. They said they could hear loud music and the sound of running water. Really? So they decided to wait and get a search warrant and all that. So they get, uh, the Norwalk police chief, Mike Ruggles, who's Hayward's friend there, told a reporter later that his officers were a little apprehensive about venturing in here after hearing what he did down there They said images of Jeffrey Dahmer were flooding their head

He said when we entered we were afraid what we'd find that we'd find the murder happened there And then we'd have to fucking deal with it right now. It's ours. Okay good not here Don't have to deal with that guy anymore. So they said even though the door was open here they So they said even though the door was open here They Still wait they waited they went in they said a steady stream of water was running from the kitchen faucet But it wasn't like stopped up and flooded. It was just running down the same on me just left it on What just left the faucet on I mean Christ this flood in the sewer system That's all and a radio had been left playing loudly in the living room otherwise nothing else is unusual Everything in the apartment is extremely clean and well organized the items on the shelves and the dresser and cabinet drawers are lined up

stacked precisely by color size and category Nothing's out of place, and they found nothing that gave any indication that a murder happened here Except for the fact that they just took that he took off. Very little was found in the apartment that provided them any clues to anything he does, basically. They found a copy of US Cavalry Magazine, a Smoky Mountain Knife Works catalog, few prescription receipts, insurance papers,

copies of his birth certificate, child support records, marriage license, and all that kind of shit He also had a sizable collection of model cars and Hot Wheels With few other personal items all he had was Hot Wheels a bunch of Lincoln town cars. Yeah, so They're looking for the murder scene They tell the cops the descriptions and they say just see if any of this makes sense to you see if any of the places He told you about sound familiar.

So they said, if anything he said to us rings a bell with you. So they began to read from his account, passing by a Dollar General, seeing all there, all that kind of shit, and they figured out that he accurately described the buildings on a section of highway leading from Summerville into Tryon and continuing in the direction

of Menlo, Cloudland, Georgia, and then into Mentone, Alabama. So they're like, okay, now because he keeps saying he's a secret service agent, they call the secret service. Yeah. Who knows? They bring, maybe they'll fucking take him off our hands. So they bring him in to secret service agents come. Yeah. And the jailer says he probably won't talk to you He's not cooperating today, and he's had a he's had himself a time this morning showing off for the judge Yeah, he could still be masturbating. We're not sure

Everyone chickatilo did that shit in prison. Yeah, that is so He couldn't even get hard. No. He's just flipping around a little around a limp dick What that's not even aggressive? No hilarious you look at him and laugh at him look at your little limp dick over there can't even get it hard to threaten me still frightening yeah just a man's dick and waved I don't know about a limp dick I'm not it's just like you can't someone who can't even get your dick card I'm not afraid of you yeah I'm just not afraid of you that point they put him in like a weird glass bubble to jerk himself.

He was like Hannibal Lecter over there. So anyway, they said to his, he's got a court appointed lawyer now. And they said, do you mind if we talk to him privately? He might talk to us as, you know, fellow agents and all. So the lawyer said, knock yourself the fuck. I don't care anymore. So I don't care anymore. They said he's lying motionless on the bed with his eyes closed, still naked. Asleep.

Eyes closed. So two agents spoke to him and identified themselves as Secret Service personnel. He said, I don't have anything to say until after I speak to my power of attorney from Ohio. My power of attorney. Power of attorney. He said, I won't speak to anyone else. Then they said, we're agents from the Secret Service

and we have received information that you're an agent also. They said he opened his eyes, got real attentive and said, get me some clothes. Now he's gonna get his shit together because now he's gonna have a real colleague to colleague here, he got dressed and became more talkative. He remained doubtful though of the status of their security clearance though He says the agents explained that he could talk to them without jeopardizing his own security

He's like looks and we're on the same team pal He said it's okay to talk to your fellow agents one of them said yeah So he said all three of us have the same talk secret clearance. So tell us what you got He said my clearance is higher than top secret and I shouldn't talk to you about my secret mission They said tell me about your secret classification. Are you a class Q or L? Ah, and he said I have a top secret clearance of Q So He at that point was satisfied they had the same level of security

Yeah, so they asked him have you ever been in the military and he gives a somewhat accurate somewhat vague no no somewhat grandiose version of his military service sure One of the agents who had a 12 year career in the military before this joining the Secret Service Question him about his army career in an attempt to judge his thought patterns, truthfulness and everything else.

Just kind of getting a psychological workup on him here. He was surprised when he was able to answer the questions in detail, giving answers that he could only, that he could have known only if he had indeed been in the army and been stationed in the locations described. They said his answers concerning military matters were accurate and articulate. And they said at times he seemed very smart and well above average intelligence.

After leaving the army, he gave the whole deal. He said that he has been serving as the eyes and ears for the local police department. Oh, then he said that he moved to Greenwich, Ohio, where he was the eyes and ears for their police. Well, he said, tell you how it tells how you got involved in the Secret Service He said it started back in the 80s when I was in the military and has continued since that time It has to do with a special secret program. I designed Oh Wow, he's a high-ranker here So the program according to him sent messages through a satellite to an implant in his head

Yeah, which was located behind where his left ear. Oh, it's over here So the program according to him sent messages through a satellite to an implant in his head Which was located behind where his left ear. Oh, it's left. It's over here. Yeah In case you guys want to take a look. I've got a port like a It's like keema the floppy. Yeah. Yeah, so holy shit so the Messages he said gave him instructions on what his missions were to be and when he was to have them completed what his missions were to be and when he was to have them completed. He said the program's classified. I can't release any of the details of my secret missions. Oh my God.

He then claimed he received some orders during the 1980s and had been completing his assignments lately. Obviously. He'd been forced to go on his latest mission because he put off finishing his earlier orders and he said that he was being disciplined. When they asked what were his orders He said it had to do with the assassination of a double agent, right? They said what's been your toughest assignment? He said this last mission was pretty tough, but I've been on worse assignments

This one was hard because of the personal personal and feelings involved. I have a heart of steel but tender insides Why did he say that it makes no that why why did he say that? That makes no, why? Why did he say that? Why does every time it's every time, why did he say both? And the cops will say, I was like, they can't help it. They make public stay. It's like, I don't know if it's just a weird, you know, it's in your head. Then it's like a weird form of Tourette's. It's like, when we go on a, on a radio show and they say don't curse and we're like fuck Not say fuck. So I just want to say it all

Wow He said that he would not say would have brought him to jail in the past He said that he was ordered the assassination of a double agent yeah, so he talked about his girlfriend and the trip down there and Patricia and They said what would you do with the ring if I gave it back to you Patricia had told him and They she had said you'd probably buy a gun wouldn't you and he said yeah, maybe I will is what he told her He said that he had suspicions about her being a double agent But it wasn't until they set out from Ohio on the way to Florida that he received two

Signals yeah through his secret satellite and implant about the assassination of the double agent. He finally realized who it was and he had no choice. It's his job. He said, I confirmed the identity of the double agent based on a single question I asked her. After I received the final signal, I didn't know which direction to take. I drove about a mile away from a gas station in Georgia and stopped in the middle Of the road at that point. I made it. I had to make a decision about which block to choose

Meaning left or right. You said I asked my girlfriend which block she thought and she picked the wrong block What does that even mean? Yeah, he said I knew from that point. She was indeed a double agent and my mission was to assassinate her She's a four foot ten girl with fucking mental you know cognitive problem. What are we talking about here? I knew it had to be done immediately because I had put off a mission from a long time ago and this mission was my disciplinary punishment for failure to complete an earlier one. Right. They asked him if he had owned or used a computer ever. Yeah.

He said, no, I don't have access to one. They said, how about movies? Have you seen anything that interested you lately? And he said, not really. He said, do you do much reading? Can I, yeah. Are there any books you're interested in? He said, no, I don't read very much.

And then he shifted position and looked around and then looked at him and said, I guess I probably need to start reading, huh? Like I'm in a cell. I don't care if you read or not. They're like, you are crazy. They process the car. They find blood stains on the outside of the car in the hood, the driver's rear view mirror,

driver's window and post and driver's side rear door in the trunk. Inside the car, they know the floor mat and carpet the passenger everything's covered in blood right steering wheel gear shift now blood spatters were found on the front passenger window total of 12 cuts were noted to the upholstery of the front seat area where he was his weight swinging the knife wildly four were on the seat near the driver's seat four were on the attached seat cushion and for were underneath the cushion. This is fucked up. Yeah. So Patricia's sister,

remember her Charlene? Um, yeah, she said that she had talked to her a few days earlier, but she made no mention of going south. She said she was a good person. She was really trusting. I hope other people can learn from this. Be careful and not so trusting. Right. She said that her sister was really fond of Hayward, but no one knew what a psycho he was and had problems. Unfortunately, she found out a little late.

Donald Perch, they said, will have tendon and ligament damage. Said he was thankful to be alive, especially after learning that he drove a short distance where he stabbed his friend, new James Pumphrey. So he stabbed the shit out of him and also killed his dogs and Wow, he said that he had a corpse in the car

The deputies told me her body was still warm. All I saw was his eyes. I never saw the cut-up girl next to him So yeah, he said that while he's on the hood He didn't even see a car woman straight looking at this guy. It was so focused. That's micro-focus Woman straight looking at this guy. It was so focused. That's micro focus So he said that now he's been declared a hundred percent disabled because of his injuries Yeah, he said I've been trying to understand why my right leg will never be the same I danced the steel as they say he was a steel worker. That's a fucking wild job Yeah, he said now I can't even dance on the floor. Oh those guys are the steel dance guys are badass They do a lot of crazy shit. So um

He used to load the steel beams on trucks. Yes, it's hard job. Yeah, I've seen that that is you get fucking Mangled quickly with that shit. So Sue said if it weren't for our dogs, we wouldn't be here Yeah, they were just like our babies We never had any kids and we loved them dearly and they saved our lives They were our angels a lot of people might not understand that but they did what they did to give us enough time to get Back in the house. They saved us. They knew what they were doing. Yeah, they did the dogs were Top-notch dogs hitting me. They're ballsy and they're great dogs. That's terrible. But like I said, there's a happy dog ending so and they're great dogs. That's terrible, but like I said, there's a happy dog ending. So the Norwalk Sergeant Dave Light,

who had talked to Bissell before, said he had talked to him as late as the Thursday before, a few days earlier. He said that he knew he was off at times, like I knew he was off at times, but nothing violent like this. He used that guy's name as his supervisor at the Secret Service.

Exactly. That's wild. Exactly, I was gonna say, now I'm a fuckin', he's referencing me, but that's what he used. Agent Light and Sergeant Light is his buddy there. I don't think he thought they would put two and two together. So he said, but nothing violent like this. We were all skeptical until we talked to detectives

in Fort Payne, Alabama, and they're like, oh shit. The Norwalk police chief, Ruggles, that he was also friends with, said, it's almost beyond belief once in a while They fall through the cracks, but how on earth could you predict something like that? I? Mean he's crazy, but there's a lot of crazy. Yeah, but everything he does is like crazy. Yeah So you can probably predict you do something fucking crazy this guy eats probably like eats a bowl of cereal crazy Yeah, he pours the milk in the box and just fucking dumps it on his face

Probably like he's a handfuls and takes swigs out of the jug that I've seen people do that What that all in the family that was a Rob Reiner's thing is what I like to take the milk I take us he goes that way it doesn't get soggy I've heard a lot of people do that really yes because it doesn't get second a glass of milk and they eat That's a common thing. So it doesn't get soggygy I just eat the cereal faster. That's what I do. It's an unhinged person depending on what it is Yeah frosted flakes fast fast fast captain crunch a couple more minutes. You can kind of take a break a little bit there Handfuls with a swig of milk my man, so that's he's just nuts Yeah, so his ex-wife's sister said if somebody was actually

Listening to Hayward and paying attention this could have been prevented Because she said that this is shit was going on for ten years with this guy being fucking crazy and nobody paid any attention To it. They just put him on medication and sent him home Yeah So a nosy neighbor here that nosy neighbor from before said she this woman tried to this is listen to what she's trying to do it's totally wrong and she doesn't even know it which is funny she really like this is the same woman who said we were best friends I was gonna help her raise the baby like yeah she's one of these people wants to feel important it feels like she said she looked out the

window and saw Bissell buckling Patricia into the passenger side of the car and she thought that was strange but her view was obstructed and she said she saw nothing indicating anything was wrong she's trying to say that I saw him putting her body in the car you know she wasn't dead for two fucking days we know when she was killed which she wants to be important one say I saw the thing that makes me important which is fucking ridiculous she said two days later the apartment manager came to tell her that Patricia was dead she said I don't think he's insane.

He planned that. That was his mission. His court appointed appointed lawyer will disagree though. His court appointed lawyer here. What is his name? Baw is his name. He says he is definitely Hoyt Baw. That's an H O I G H H O H O Y T Hoyt Hoyt Baw B A U G H. Yeah. Said he's definitely paranoid and definitely hearing voices. H o i g h h o h o y t wait. Oh wait, ba ba you gh

Yeah, said he's definitely paranoid and definitely hearing voices. He's obviously got some serious mental problems That's what he said to the reporters then he turned and he was talking to somebody else. He said he's absolutely certifiably crazy as hell Which is a less? Correct way to put that that's great motherfuckers out of his mind less sensitive certifiably crazy as hell He said that he'd worked a number of capital cases, but none of them had been remotely near this back shit This guy is nuts. He also said that he he said I've handled a lot of cases including murder But nothing as deranged and incompetent as he is. He's got serious mental problems

Then he said he talked to a local newspaper and said this will be an easy case to prove Somebody dropped the ball not to keep him locked up He's been in mental hospitals before and the doctors knew he was mentally ill in talking to family members He's had these problems for some time. He's absolutely crazy and his activity in jail is so bizarre The lawyer would normally say mentally ill or he's crazy. He's fucking crazy. He's eating his own shit out of the toilet and esophagus Yeah, a sofa guy eater esophagus snacking bird This is crazy. Oh god. It's so as I said pocket Robin is nothing is nothing taking a bird out of your pocket

It's fine pocket throw. He's got a pocket esophagus Taking a bird out of your pocket and eating it's fine. He had a pocket throat. He's got a pocket esophagus, which is wild. Oh, boy. At least he didn't have like a pen in there. Like he didn't use it as like a pocket protector or something. That would have been weirder. Just make sure you don't get pen ink on your pocket shirt.

Yeah, a little protector. They said he was very reluctant to speak with me. This is the lawyer. Yeah. Until he got clearance from those who said he could do so. He couldn't talk to the officers because they didn't have a high enough clearance for them to talk to him. You know, crazy is what I'm getting at. Clearance from those who said he could do so he couldn't talk to the officers because they didn't have a high enough clearance for them To talk to him, you know crazy is what I'm getting at

The next day he's a little calmer still naked though. Oh, is that right? Yeah. Yeah still doesn't like clothes very much They said that I he you know all they said that because of his unruly behavior Visitation for the all the inmates was canceled. Oh, they are furious. Fucking furious. Fuck this guy. Nobody wants to, not like anyone's going to go beat him up. No, he's a scary giant monster who wants to, who tried to eat an esophagus. Right. He ate poop. He'll eat you.

And that's what the cops are telling him. He's going, don't fuck with that guy. Leave him the fuck alone. Like he, you don't know what he did. He will tear your head off and eat whatever's in there. So watch out Like it's a fucking pudding cup like calm down Yeah, Jesus Christ. So um, so his car they put this the car inside a locked storage lot at the county road department headquarters Because nobody wanted to look at it

Yeah, I'm the parking lot the one guy here a road department worker said that thing gave us the Hebe-jeebies, which if he knew better he'd know it's the the hee-jee-bee-jee's is actually how you say that as we found out from The our Oregon episode a couple months ago there. That's how you really say it He said it gave us the I'll correct it for him the hee-jee-bee-jee's Sitting out there in the parking lot every time I drove past it and looked at it I thought about what they say happened in it now a witness comes forward to Saying that Bissell's car was seen stopped on a county road near Somerville, Georgia on Sunday morning and a witness who came forward After seeing press coverage claims she saw both Bissell and Patricia inside

The car was stopped in the street in front of her home She noticed the road was blocked with fallen trees then noticed the car had Ohio tags She said she saw the woman moving and the woman in the car was alive at that time. Okay. Okay couple more witnesses a This is fucking crazy. Some people are out in a parking lot three guys talking about a work they were gonna do and they saw this car drive by and They said that they saw that put a woman's head like slouched down and they said that the guy driving Grabbed her by the hair and held her head up as they drove by oh my god to show them yeah When he let go of her they said she just melted down into the seat

You know like a corpse no expression on her face and her eyes were closed and sagging down They were not the two men were shocked and then one of them said she's dead or in hell And they didn't call the cops or anything just saw a guy with a woman's corpse Back about our business here I'm gonna go inside and get one of those fucking quarter pound hot dogs and I'll be out here in a minute. So mental evaluation takes place. Her funeral goes on in Ohio.

Very sad, obviously. A lot of people show up and they say very nice things about her and this poor woman. So it's horrifying. They end up finding the discount food mart adjoining a parking lot and that's the war they have all the Surveillance video of them inside only moments after the convenience store cameras captured the final images of Patricia That's when she was killed and that's when they saw her him pulling out of the parking lot with a dead woman So a report by an Alabama forensic

Psychiatrist said that Bissell was quote very psychotic and suffering from delusions and auditory hallucinations Okay, by the way, this has been little levity break right under one of these newspaper articles is a article entitled whiskey served to a girl instead of apple juice whoops a Four-year-old at TGI Fridays was given a cup of whiskey instead of apple juice. Whoops. A four-year-old at TGI Fridays was given a cup of whiskey instead of apple juice. And she chugged it. She took a sip and told her dad it was yucky

and then kept drinking it because the dad was like, that's orange, it's apple juice, it's fine. So she kept drinking it. Then they said she began acting silly. A drunk four-year-old, the funniest, see all this is so horrible, dead dogs, dead women, a drunk four-year-old, the funniest. See, all this is so horrible, dead dogs, dead women, a drunk four-year-old will put a smile on your face

in the worst of times. Telling her dad all the things she wishes she could say. Let me tell you something about you, dad. Let me tell you something about you. You're no good. You're no good. You could be good, but you're not. And now I'm upset about it.

Mommy, daddy touches my TT. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. So, well um she said it began acting silly and then complained of a headache wait till you puke the the waitress said she mistakenly picked up a cup of what she thought was apple juice uh-huh the restaurant chain is reviewing its policies to ensure it never happens again the manager said the the manager for the place said it was a very unfortunate

Mistake yeah, they said they blamed it on the waitress, but what was whiskey doing in a plastic cup with a straw anyway? Well the bartender was having a nice day. Yeah, somebody asked for that and that's what happened so October 2001 Will be a trial October 1st 2001 the Alabama trials delayed Yeah, they said why is it taking so long? Well, they don't know how crazy he is and Alabama and George are fighting trying to give him to each other Even though fighting to not have to have him. Yeah, they don't we don't want him and Alabama has pretty much proved It happened in Georgia now, so they're like you can have him. Yeah, so November 2001 This is a almost two years. Yeah, he's still in the same place

Wow, he's just sitting there naked. We're not sure if he's still naked, but I'm sure he is The the sheriff said I just wish they'd do something with him Yeah, they said he's not causing discipline problems, but he's a legal mess and we don't want him here They said that he's out of his fucking mind. He said if he ends up in the care of mental health officials, he might be able to return to freedom someday too. Oh boy. The prosecutor said, this is funny, the Chattoga County prosecutor said,

he's waiting for Alabama officials to take action before deciding whether there's sufficient evidence to go forward with a murder trial. I don't know, corpse in your car is pretty sufficient. He said, they have him and they have most of the facts and circumstances It would be a lot easier for them to just pursue it than us It didn't happen there though easier for them It's just easier if they just take care of it and they said also he's content to stay in his bunk and sit there

So let's just let him do it. Yeah February 5th 2002 busy day in court He appears in court weighing less than 200 pounds pounds how'd he do that lost almost 250 pounds What? Don't know lost half his body weight more than half shows up looking complete like a different human being I don't even recognize him which is crazy He is super pale because he's refused all offers to leave his cell hasn't seen sunlight since his arrest will not go outside So he's indicted transferred to Somerville from Fort Payne. He agreed to the plea, agrees to a plea

in consultation with his lawyers. He pleads guilty to murder but mentally ill. Okay, the superior court judge said, I accept your plea and sentences him to, you, sir sir may fuck off Natural life in prison. Okay, no parole. Yeah prison till you die. So He pleaded guilty but mentally ill in Georgia. He'll spend the rest of his life in the state penitentiary or Quote such institutions as the Commissioner of the Department of Corrections may direct sure they send him to prison though

He's in prison. Yeah, I don't know if he's been transferred back and forth or what, but he went to prison. They didn't even put him in a mental hospital here. Or. Or was there. It was there. So the Alabama charges, they don't want anything to do with him so much.

They decided to just dispose of all the charges. Attempted murder times fucking three, dog killing animals. Never mind. We don't want him here. Then he'll have to come to the state. Yup, we don't want him here. So they said that at that time, the prosecutor said that we're disposing everything

and that Bissell will quote, not have to return to Alabama ever again. He doesn't have to. Doesn't want to. Like we're doing him a favor. Oh my God. So after the plea proceedings, he was returned to the Ticaleb County for the disposition of the Alabama charges, but then they sent him back

So anyway, they said that there was relief in sentencing The district attorney said I've spent more time on this case than any other case since I've been in the district attorney's office This is a culmination of two years of work by a lot of people in three states I'm very pleased with the outcome and he also said the sheriff said in Alabama, we've housed and fed him long enough. Now he's Georgia's responsibility. He said, from the start, I knew we could prove that Bissell killed that girl in Georgia. I was thrilled to be sitting in the front row and hear him say with his own voice that he was guilty and I have to deal with him anymore. Is that enough of our grits?

2003, one of the fucking deputies buys his car at the county auction. Why? Because he said, I don't know, the money went back to the county. Seems like a good thing. What? So I want this murder scene.

Why would you want that car? I don't know. And it didn't say like he's going to take it, and then they're going to blow it up or something. Nothing. He's going to take the car. He just bought this guy's Lincoln. I'm going to restore it. I mean, people buy John Wayne Gacy's paintings, I guess. He's gonna take the car. He just bought this guy's Lincoln. I'm gonna restore it

I mean people like don't bought it John Wayne Gacy's paintings, I guess but this is like the ultimate that's true crime shit There's a murder happening there. There's not buying Gacy's house. He's saying I'm just gonna live in the basement With all the bodies gonna buy the house just for the crawlspace. Yeah, it's great down there So James Pumphrey's friends. Yeah after all of this once he recovered a little bit from his wounds They gave him a brand new Chocolate lab puppy. Oh to help him with the loss of his dogs And he said it helped a lot and he's doing a lot better and he loves the dog. Oh, yeah He said he said about his dogs

He said but damn it that's how they would have wanted to go out was protecting their owners And he's just you know thrilled to have a new dog those dogs are goddamn adorable when they're babies Yeah, big blue eyes. They're sweet as shit Yeah, so the book by the way is called blood highway by Sheila Johnson if you want to get that book It's very repetitive. Yeah, it's 303 pages, and it's about 150 pages of actual information other than that. It's all repetitive Yeah, not like not agree. They keep described. They'll describe the same thing ten times. I'm like, did I miss something? Oh, no, they're just redescribing this to talk about something else. I can't do it I read books over and over over again the first time that would drive me nuts. It was irritating So there you go. There's a little George and one of the craziest goddamn stories

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And the suspect he has been identified as a weegee Nicholas Mangione became one of the most divisive figures in modern criminal history was targeted premeditated and meant to sow terror. I'm Jesse Weber host of Luigi produced by law and crime and twist this is more than a true crime investigation we explore a uniquely American moment that could change the country forever. He's awoken the people to a true issue.

I mean maybe this would lead rich and powerful people to acknowledge the barbaric nature of our healthcare system. Listen to Law and Crime's Luigi exclusively on Wondery Plus. You can join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app, Spotify, or Apple podcasts.