Small Town Murder - #76 - Don't Wear Overalls To Court in Cincinnati, Arkansas

Episode Date: July 11, 2018

This week, in Cincinnati, Arkansas, a love triangle, featuring very unlikely participants leads to a brutal murder, an inept cover up, and a completely unsatisfactory investigation. Once the details are revealed, we see just how crazy this little plot was!! Along the way, we find out what happens when a town decides to joke around with a census, if there is anywhere that is inappropriate to wear overalls, and exactly how difficult it is to burn a human body!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday!!Please subscribe, rate, and review!Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!Head to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder!For merchandise: crimeinsports.threadless.comCheck out James and Jimmie's other show: Crime in Sports Follow us on social media!Facebook: facebook.com/smalltownpodInstagram: instagram.com/smalltownmurderTwitter: twitter.com/MurderSmall Contact the show: [e-mail] See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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That's what we have here. So that sounds good. You like finger? You like fat cut off. Right. So if you like that, if that sounds good to you. Yeah. Awesome.

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Give me murder. Let's do this, Jimmy. Let's go on a trip, shall we? I'd love to. Let's go on a trip. This place is gross. It's hot in Phoenix. It's sticky.

It's sticky. It's hot everywhere. Yeah, but what is going on It was nice in Rhode Island last week When we were there for that episode That was nice Whatever being there is The ocean's there

Oh yes yes Jesus The storms There's mud from the sky That was gross Yeah that's what happens in Phoenix It's gross things The desert's not made for people

No it's not That's what we figured out here But we're going somewhere worse than Phoenix. Surprisingly found someplace that has- Objectively worse. It's objectively worse. There's very few people, maybe a couple people that live in this place, I would say, but pretty much everyone else on earth would go, Phoenix is way better than where we are.

We are going all the way to Cincinnati, Arkansas. Oh, Jesus. You'd be here like, Cincinnati's not a small town, is it? It's a pretty big city. No, but Cincinnati, Arkansas is not a big city. Same spelling. Same spelling. It's Cincinnati, Arkansas.

I hate these small towns. No creativity. None. Especially, okay, I get if you're naming it some town in England. Right. Or after a dude that found it. That makes sense. I'm saying if you're naming it after another place like in the 1800s it's not like there was the news or the

internet you were like oh there's a little tiny place across an ocean that's named this no one knows that i'll name this this little hamlet this thing but now it's like it's it's in ohio and it's it's got a name and it's a much bigger city than you it's not that far down the road ohio from arkansas i mean it's like a day trip let's talk well it's it's a much bigger city than you. It's not even that far down the road, Ohio. From Arkansas? I mean, it's like a day trip. Let's talk. Well, it's in the northwest part of Arkansas. It's all the way on the western border, right near the Oklahoma border.

So that's some interesting country, if you've ever driven cross-country on the 40. This is the area where you go, let's not stop at the McDonald's. Let's wait. Let's wait. wait let's wait because there's bad things happening up it's i once stopped in arkansas driving cross country we stopped at like two in the morning in one of these backwoods places to get gas and there was i don't know what the exact uh it's hard to measure uh how many of an insect there are i'm gonna go with a plague i going to call it a fucking biblical

event. It was a plague of giant grasshoppers. A plague. I mean, everything. The gas pumps were covered in them. You had to knock them off. And you had to stop. You had to stop. Because you had no gas. You had to throw it in there, slam the gas nozzle in the tank and run inside

to this place, wiping grasshoppers off of each other. And in here was a guy working there, and then there was a little back room with two arcade games and literally two toothless hillbillies. Eating grasshoppers. Playing this. Yeah. Covered from head to toe in grass.

Not even concerned about it. Right. Covered their face. They wore them like a camouflage mask. They just wiped their eyes. That's what was there. And I said, I'm going to take my chances with the grasshoppers. And I turned right back around and I literally just swatted grasshoppers for the next 10 minutes while my tank filled.

I said, half a tank good enough to get me out of Arkansas. See you later. Getting the fuck out of here. This was right in this area, basically. It's a little over three hours to Little Rock. About three hours to Oklahoma City. So middle of nowhere. Shit options. Eleven hours to little rock okay uh about three hours to oklahoma city so middle of nowhere shit options yeah 11 hours to the real cincinnati so see not even that far it's 11 hours fuck out

three hours to phillips oklahoma so stay the fuck away from there too three hours from little rock oklahoma city and phillips it's a bad triangulation what's going on right here jesus it's in washington county which is nowhere near washington of any kind but they named everything after george washington for a while zip code 72769 area code 479 um we could say that there is uh uh how big it is but we really can't because it's an unincorporated town with no real borders it's mashed all the statistics are mashed into a nearby town called summer also summers also so it's all mixed in together s-u-m-m or s-u-m-m they have no idea like this cincinnati doesn't have their own

post office as we'll talk about why they get their mail from somewhere else because the mailman gets fucking confused it's a goddamn mess yeah he's delivering a book we got way too much mail for the amount of people that are here what the fuck is good oh it's all from another never mind that's why where's my car payment mail in cincinnati they're like in ohio they're like we don't have enough mail for all these people i swear to christ we have enough mail for like one block and that's it enough for the bengals that's all we have everybody else is out hickey woods is getting his mail in arkansas that's all you know he is uh unincorporated community like i said so no real borders motto uh is don't bother it's arkansas now there is no motto for this no they're not proud of where they are and they're not even going to attempt to try to

get you to go there we know it's confusing you. You're not coming. It's like Ohio, but less teeth. Some shit like that. Shittier and more overalls. The amount of overalls in this case that we're going to talk about. Oh, I guarantee it. You've seen pictures. I'm not going to spoil this for you.

This is a case that I'm so mad. As I put it together, I said, God damn it, why didn't I save this for a live show? Because the visuals on this case, I wouldn't even have to say anything. We could just sit there and just drink. And just flip through a slideshow. Just be like, I could say dryly, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, click, and show this thing and people would lose their shit.

And I'd be like, thank you. And I would sip bourbon. Yeah, we wouldn't have to do anything. Neither of us could tell any jokes at all. Just when we needed like a laugh or something, just boom, picture. A little vacation. Let's look at this hillbilly. History of this town here.

In the early years, this is before 1857, it wasn't known as Cincinnati. Did you just almost say 18 Cincinnati? 18 Cincinnati, yes. That was awesome. You are punchy. Back in 18 Cincinnati, this is what happened. I've been drinking bourbon, too. I have not been drinking bourbon too i have

not been drinking but uh yeah in the early years here before 1857 it wasn't even known as cincinnati so they changed it to cincinnati later on when the other cincinnati was already fucking established it's not like it was like oh they did in the 1700s they were both unaware of each other nope they knew that that shit existed and they didn't at least one dude he was like i got an idea for this place well before that you'd think what's the name before that but akron no what's what's columbus fucking toledo arkansas the original name here is buzzard roost much better but at least it sounds like something it's that's what every every town in arkansas should be named something like something like that it's like one of That's terrifying. It's like one of those terrifying.

Well, in northern Arizona, a lot of these towns are like the bloody this or the something basin or whatever the fuck. Something basin. The dead. One's like the. Horse thief. The dead horse. Oh, horse thief.

I was going to say the fucking headless dead. Headless fucking bleeding face. Dead animal corpse basin. Creek. Putrid entrails. Creek road. Right. Whatever the fuck it is. So, yeah. Buzzin. Creek. Putrid Entrails. Creek Road. Right. Whatever the fuck it is.

So, yeah, Buzzard Roost. At least that sounds interesting if you're going to be driving through somewhere and you see that on a map going, Buzzard Roost? What the hell is that? It sounds kind of weird. Yeah, you could make that something. But then they changed it. Not Cincinnati.

Not even. No. Not right away. First it was. No. They couldn't decide on a name these people. Confused motherfuckers. They really couldn't. Buzzard Roost is too hilly. We need something

a little more cosmopolitan if you know what I mean. So we're going to go with Sylvia. Not bad. S-I-L-V-I-A. Sylvia. Now bad. Bad. But better than Buzzard Roost if you're trying to attract people who have teeth and have more teeth than overalls total bad but better than buzzard roost if you're trying to attract people who you know have

teeth and have more teeth than overalls right total in their in their life buzzard roost sounds like the town from uh from crybaby what was the name of that oh shit i don't remember i haven't seen that movie in 20 i can't remember either 20 years somebody right now is shouting it we'll figure it out don't tweet it at us don't worry about it we'll know it by the end of this show we'll know it's not a big deal just just don't trust me it's not okay turkey uh something turkey something yeah something turkey you got that creek yes yeah i think that's it i think it's turkey creek are you thinking of turkey creek i made a tombstone reference no that's uh vermilion creek vermilion turkey turkey jack turkey creek jack johnson i think it was turkey creek but i don't think it was jack johnson it is jack it was jack johnson like the fighter why

would they name him that that's very confusing because i think of the fighter that's all i remember yeah all right but it was turkey creek i think you're just saying that because i said very cosmopolitan i think i just implanted tombstone in your head and you made that happen i'm not positive or it's an amazing coincidence. And that would be even cooler. It could be. That's possible. So it was called Sylvia for a while.

This is when they got the post office. The first post office there was called the Sylvia Post Office. And that was in 1838. So they had that going on there. Everybody there at first, this was a thriving place. People came from fayetteville which is like a big city now yeah not a big city but a big city for for fucking western arkansas uh fayetteville they came from fayetteville here for supplies okay so this was like not like uh

some little podunk shithole out of the way sylvia was the bigger town between yeah they were like we need to they got the wal, so we need to go there. They got that Piggly Wiggly and shit. Oh, man. Stop dreaming. Stop dreaming. Now, I thought about the Piggly Wiggly, and I got all excited, and all they're going to have is the Walmart. You're moving your lips way too much for Arkansas.

It's all good. They mumble so much. That is a mumbly culture. What is so much that is a mumbly culture what is that that is a mumbly how does that even get started that everybody's that fucking lazy that's how bill clinton was governor for 20 years he's the only guy who didn't mumble they were like i understand what he said everybody is educated man do you hear him he moved his lips when he talked now i don't know about that so people got a lot of energy so uh yeah so 1857 uh it became cincinnati because near here is the cincinnati creek so that's why they say

they named it cincinnati but it's still this the creek is it's still not yours i bet the creek was named after that city that's that's what i mean you can't have it it's just not yours cincinnati cincinnati doesn't belong to you stupid that's just the end of the fuck that's brilliant that's the end of the line there uh so uh 1887 this place is bumping at this point and i found a newspaper report from 1887 talking about the amount of business transacted which i think is funny because they're saying like this is a boom town and now this is you know nothing if you can count how much business is being transacted well yeah it's not a lot it's not but 1887 think about too that what the money is now but even still it's even with inflation it's still not a huge town gross domestic product

that's going on here but there weren't computers to know how much you know i mean they all they wrote every damn thing down you have to go. You have to go on one. One horseshoe, $4. The majority of these motherfuckers can't read and write. They got one guy. One horseshoe, brought down the fucking horseshoe. On the total here, the aggregate sales, I guess, money made was $224,935. Yeah. They had merchandise, wagons, and agricultural implements for $82,865. Grain and grain products, $43,500.

Cattle, hogs, sheep, and mules, $91,750. For a year. And miscellaneous, $5,000. Miscellaneous. Whores. Miscellaneous. Yeah. Whores.

I don't know how to spell miscellaneous. I can't read, you son of a bitch m-i-s-c how do you spell whores where it doesn't bring attention how's that whatever that word is and we're just gonna make it five thousand that's the biggest business in that town and they're throwing five as the as the total no they said they had five general merchants, two milliners, one druggist, one wagon factory, one agricultural implement factory, two blacksmiths, two tanneries, two harness shops, one undertaker. Got to have him. Two shoe shops, one merchant and custom mill, two physicians, a dentist, one hotel, one livery stable, an academy and two churches. This is impressive.

That's that's a town, man. They got some shit going on back there. That's jobs. And that's 1887. Yeah. So that's like old West time. That was 1887. And by 1911, they had no more post office anymore.

None. They closed the post office. They crashed already. They were like, it's dead, man. 30 years and the shit crashed. That's it. 30 years. These boom towns, that's what happens.

But there wasn't even like gold or anything there. Yeah. They diverted the mail to Summers, which is just just to the south which is kind of this whole area uh it was there area was settled a little more in the 1830s and 40s this is where we are so it's all farms and so this whole town is a huge farm so the a lot of distance between people that sort of thing they used a sizable number of slaves in the 1840s to make these farms so this is uh that area here the land is so beautiful too because it's so green in the summertime because it's so fucking moist it's just weird that you followed up there they used a lot of slaves with that but the land is so beautiful

that doesn't that i know that those were separate thoughts yeah they were they had slaves that's bad yeah the land is beautiful that's those are separate thoughts but it sounded like paired up together it sounded like you were trying to say but the land needs to be tended because it's so beautiful that's what it sounded like you were saying and i just want to clear up that that's not what he was saying ladies and gentlemen my co-host andrew jackson accidental andrew jackson over here that it's just i can't believe how fucking gross it is down there and and you'd want i mean if you saw if you saw a picture of it you'd be like i'll live there and then you get there yeah fuck no fuck no it's so hot and sticky and how much no one opens their mouth when they speak

this is awful how much do we just spend to move here but they got the piglet wigglers 2010 bad shit happened here uh new year's eve tornado outbreak yeah was a big famous thing that happened in 2010 outbreak three day long tornado outbreak oh my god it was basically like i guess this is the end of the world like they just keep coming if tornadoes keep coming for three days you think that i guess god has has decided that the world is over like you just that's it it's over with y'all remember those those that that plague of fucking grasshoppers it was it was telling it was forewarning us that's what happens about this this is what i don't understand like when we i've driven back and forth across the country a bunch of times and i fly through this area.

Like I make it so I'm not stopping where there's tornadoes. Like literally, I don't give a fuck. I'm not stopping where there's tornadoes. I don't blame you. Because every time I do, there's always some sort of crazy weird. I was last time I was in Oklahoma City like five years ago. I had to stay over there driving through and there was a big, the sirens were fucking going. And we're like, what do we do to the lady at the front of the desk of the hotel?

And she's like, y'all could just sit in the tub. I was like, what? Y'all could just sit in the tub? What are you fucking, what is going on here? Then what? This is, when the building gets sucked up, I'll be sitting there in the tub. What are we talking about here? Yeah, then what happens?

You can chain yourself up in a barn with fucking sling blades like the movie Twister. Do I fill the tub? How does this work? I remember in Twister, they got a bunch of tin cans and saved the day. Is that what we do? Possible. Little balls, maybe. But these people, this was terrible.

Do we make propellers? Is that what we do? Maybe. Do you have a truck? Let me ask you something. Do you have a brand new Dodge Ram? Because I feel like that's the only vehicle that's going to be able to do this now. Do you have a brand new V10 Dodge Ram?

Because that's what they was promoting in that movie. Do you have access to Philip Seymour Hoffman by any chance? Is that a possibility? Is there possibly a helen hunt around is it is do you have access to the man either from independence day or tombstone i'm not sure which one i'm looking for one of them two one of them brothers i want one of them one of them this was bad though this was 37 tornadoes fucking what that's That's what I mean. This is rough. 37 over three days. That's 12 a day.

That's one every two hours. That's hell. That's bananas. Get in the car and drive away as fast as you can. Why do we live here? I have. This is tracked across five states. It killed nine, including injured a shitload of people.

Most of this was centered around Missouriouri and mississippi but uh the worst of them happened on new year's eve uh actual actually on new year's eve uh this was right around cincinnati this got cincinnati got the brunt of this out of everywhere on earth this little speck of a shithole town just got got destroyed and in the bible belt you know they were blaming the gays 31st we ain't seeing next year it's coming it's the gays fault yeah that's what they did there was a lot of cock blowing i know it uh i know it damn it uh so there's damaging winds here they ripped off barn they were talking about coming from oklahoma ripping off barn roofs and shit like that see what are you gonna do in the tub that's

a real twister type situation but uh tracked it all the way to cincinnati arkansas where that's when it reached its peak intensity winds were estimated at 142 miles an hour and the tornado was a width of 300 yards jesus that's just three football fields of hell coming at you that's all that is uh a bunch of homes were destroyed luckily there's not a lot yeah there's nothing's together it's all spread out so you're not destroying too much here but uh trees power poles were knocked down two people were killed uh when a trailer was destroyed it sucked the trailer up because obviously when a trailer was jammed up their ass that's what happens and then another person died as he was tending cattle when the barn collapsed why would you you do that? He's like, well, he was... Fuck them.

I guess I'll just stay in the barn and hang out with them. They ain't gonna drive me from my barn. I feel like it's that sort of thing. Out of his fucking mind. It was completely... It reached a maximum width of 500 yards at some point. I mean, if a tornado sucks your cow up, what's the worst thing?

The worst thing that happens is it's pre-butchered for you you know what i mean you don't have to cut it out don't worry y'all see a cow flying around here i'll put a red it's got a ribbon on it now there it goes oh look another one with a red ribbon i think that was the same one i think so uh george w bond is the only notable person from here he's a graduate of cincinnati high school and he was later president of louisiana tech university So George W. Bond is the only notable person from here. He's a graduate of Cincinnati High School and he was later president of Louisiana Tech University. A very boring man. Nobody cares. So that's the that's the Sahara Desert fart fact of the week.

George W. Bond is from this fucking dump population of this general area. Summers and Cincinnati, whatever, is twelve hundred sixty eight. But Cincinnati doesn't have that many people because it's all spread out so we can't we don't know where it's broken down but that's in a whole giant area it's 1268 uh 1990 it had 704 people so it's really uh it's really falling apart it's people have no people have moved here it's an 80 increase wait a minute from 704 to 1268 oh i got it yeah yeah it's jumped actually seeing the opposite oh okay i see that obviously uh median age the bummer is that you've done that before and i was like

distracted grabbing a drink or something i was staring directly at you and watched didn't matter didn't matter that's not gonna help any maybe it's better if you're distracted what do you say tell you what get on instagram and dick around for a while you're gonna come up with some gems i feel staring right at you doing math in my head uh that's awesome median age in this town 33.8 so it's actually a younger crowd than normal here than the 37.4 that's average. Male population of female way out of whack here. Male is 59 percent, which it's normally about 49 percent. So way out of whack because it's a lot, I guess, because it's a lot of farms and shit.

But I mean, there's women on farms. These bitches talk back. So sometimes they disappear. I don't know. I guess that counts all in farm workers. Now, there was more women, but there's also holes in farms. I don't know. I guess that counts all them farm workers. Now, there was more women, but there's also holes in farms. I don't know if you know that. The mouthy ones walk off.

That happens. I don't know where they go. I don't know where they might be. Have you checked summers? Have you checked the beach of the Cincinnati Creek? That's possible. I heard they like water. Oh, everybody does.

Right. Now, the population here, married married population 81 percent in this which is insanely out of whack it's 50 50 is the normal single population 18 percent uh divorced 2.28 percent wow so not a lot of divorce yeah it's very strange single with children or single with children 0.00 but what the hell is happening here how does that happen if you have kids you stay together i guess i don't know what the fuck is going on this is super weird and the way do we get to the religious part it's not even it's not even it's not like 98 i just don't understand what's so out of whack it's so weird i have a feeling that this town these people feel like

they're not going to report much i feel like out of everybody they got like 12 of people to fill out the census and they're like nobody will tell us nothing. They're just out there on them farms. I feel like we're going to get shot if we try. Let's just say 81% is married. Let's just stick with that because that's out of the 10 people we talked

to there was four couples. We're now eight. We're now eight married. Race of this town, white people, 49.29%. This is what I mean. I don't know if this is true or not or if this is just, I don't married. Race of this town, white people, 49.29%. This is what I mean. I don't know if this is true or not, or if this is just, I don't know if they pulled 36.67% Asian. Why would there be that many Asian people in Western Arkansas in some small town? I don't understand it.

Damn near 40%. I don't know if that's true. I found it on multiple sites. I'm like like are they reported what is happening how is someone fucking around with the census like literally did they say all right everybody at a town meeting everybody if there's a guy i got a mortgage like shut the fuck up by we know about your fucking mortgage we heard about your fucking mortgage we all have mortgages here uh but uh what we're gonna do everybody when you fill out your set and just

fuck around just fuck around but one thing you're gonna do about half y fill out your set and just fuck around just fuck around but one thing you're gonna do about half y'all gonna say you're asian if you can do that for me but otherwise just have a ball i don't care but everybody just tell them but you're asian tell them you're married asian that's it a through m asian y'all are asian everybody else just be whatever i don't give a fuck whatever y'all want want. A through M. A through M. Asian. All y'all. So. Oh, man.

That's terrific. 58% of the people are religious. 23% Baptist because Baptists are, as we know, the Catholics of the South. That's true. That's what we know here. Otherwise, it's a little bit. How much percent? Baptist?

Yeah. About 24% Baptist. Just by sheer statistics, 10% of those people are fucking Asian. Oh, they're Asian. Asian Baptist. Asian Baptist. Y'all are going to hell. That is fucking amazing.

0.01% Jewish. so not a lot of jewish people here zero a point zero two percent muslim so that's not a lot of that going on there either uh 40 percent democratic uh democrat 56 percent republican yeah about four percent independent which is more than normal here uh unemployment rate isn't very high because it's just it's farms you wouldn't live there unless you had a you live there because you live where you work. I feel like there's no there's not a lot of that going on here. Average are not a big commute, not a big commute to outside median household income here. Thirty seven thousand three thirty five, which is about 16000 less than the normal in the rest of the country. Agriculture, that sort of thing, about 25%, which normally it's 1.3%.

So that's the big chunk of the jobs. Cost of living, we say 100 is par average. 82 in summers, this area, summer Cincinnati, whatever. 82, most things are a little below average, but housing is the lowest at 66 median home cost here 123,000 100 which it's 185 8 normally in the rest of the country in the normal society a lot of houses in the 100 to 150,000 range here which is nice and if we've convinced you yeah that you want to start over yeah and move somewhere fresh, that's it.

We have for you the Cincinnati, Arkansas real estate report. Found nothing in actual Cincinnati proper. Nothing. Found two in Summers here. Two bedroom, one bath, 1,200 square feet, $75,000 for this little gem, this little piece of slice of heaven,

piece of hell that this is. I also found, and it looks like shit, too, I'll be honest with you. Of course it does. It looks like you would have 14 children chained up inside. How many square feet? 1,200. Yeah, but 200 of that is underground.

I'm sure. Crawl space, since they count. Right. Three-bedroom, one-bath, 1,408-square-foot house. To that auction, yeehaw. Yeah. Okay. $96,000 for that.

Yeah. Or best offer. Or best offer. However it comes up. That's what we're starting at. They sell a house like people buy an old Volkswagen. Yeah. Whatever.

It's a 72. I mean, I was asking. I was asking $1,800, but. But I found a foreclosure here. Foreclosure, five bedroom, three bath, 3,400 square foot house. Real nice house. $287,000. The Zestimate from Zillow is 388 459 so that's a value

jump on that oh yeah things to do in this town this town has six cemeteries what the fuck do you need six cemeteries for how many people again 1200 cemeteries it seems way too are they collecting bodies from other small towns around the county what's going on i hated my stepfather but i hated him most whenever we would drive by a cemetery and he would point at it every fucking one of them every single time and would say people are just dying to get in there i wanted to jump through the back seat it's a terrible joke strangle that fucking life out of that man. I probably should have. I wouldn't. Why not? He wouldn't be here now, probably.

We also have the Patriarchs, which is a woman's Bible study group and the things to do, hosted by the Community Christian Fellowship. Details of this are, join us as we study the Patriarchs of the Bible and focus on God's faithfulness. All morning sessions,

we'll have $5 child care available. Evening sessions, no child care. You fucking slacker. Leave them at home. Your old man's home. Yeah, that's right. Crime rate in this town. I was blown away at that point.

You said a women's group called the Patriarch. The Patriarch. I was like, how stupid are these women? They're studying the Patriarchs of the Bible. I got it. They're getting together going, y'all, let's oppress ourselves, all right? Everybody. Welcome to Oppression Weekly. Let's do that. Yes. No, no. It's self-oppression, and we're going to do it. Yeah.all, let's oppress ourselves. All right, everybody. Welcome to Oppression Weekly.

Let's do that. Yes. No, no. It's self-oppression. And we're going to do it. Yeah. Well, the men are busy. So they need.

Shh. Shh. The men are working. They're all working. So they ain't have time to really oppress us. So we got to oppress ourselves. See, that's how it works. Now, Betty.

Yeah. Now, I want you and Kathy to get together. I want y'all to abuse each other now because the men are busy. So that's what I want to happen. Crime rate in this town. There will be a shut up or a cheer up. Something's going to happen. Something's getting slum.

Crime rate here. Property crimes a little lower than average, about 15 percent lower. Not bad. Violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, assault, the Mount Rushmore of crime is about 15%, 20%, actually 20% lower than the national average, which is lower here because there's not a lot going on. There's not a lot of people to assault. Not a lot of people to assault.

Things are spread out. Let's talk about some people that got spread out over this town and some bad things that happened in this town. Okay. Some bad things did happen in this town, or at least one bad thing. Yeah. Well, bad thing that happened several. We'll find out.

Okay, let's do this here. In the 1800s, a lot of bad things happened. Oh, man. Jesus Christ. They had slaves. Yeah. I bet you. But it's just beautiful land, though, Jimmy.

It's just so beautiful. Look at that. A lot of bad things happened on this beautiful land. Look at that cotton shimmer in the sun. June 15th, 2007. Outside of Cincinnati. Cincinnati's kind of the closest town. They also say it's kind of near Siloam Springs.

And so it's kind of in the middle of this area. But it's most of the time referred to as outside of Cincinnati. And they're referred to as like the Cincinnati man or the Cincinnati woman so that's why we went with Cincinnati plus I think it's hilarious in Arkansas as a fucking Cincinnati that's funny too it's ridiculous so stupid so June 15th

2007 a Bob Dale Devour Devour Devour we're going to say Devour? Devour? Devour. Yeah. Devour. You picked it, motherfucker. We're going to say Devour. We're going with Bob Dale. It's Devour.

The Dale never gets used. That's just his real name, but his full name is Bob Dale Devour. They didn't even name him Robert. No, Bob. Bob Dale. So Bob Dale. Everybody in fucking Arkansas has two names. Oh, yeah.

Everybody. He never uses Dale. He goes by Bob in his defense, but he looks like a Bob Dale. This man is an old farmer and truck driver who wears overalls all the time. I mean, all the time. No shirt. No, no. He has a shirt. Sometimes.

You know, if you catch him on a good day. At least when you take a picture. At least in the pictures I've seen. Yeah. He's like hold on a minute damn jesus y'all taking pictures damn shirt on this goddamn shit freaking camera goddamn asians with the cameras everywhere in this goddamn town so uh

i couldn't help myself so uh bob dale devore yeah he Yeah. He calls 911 from a rural farm, 270-acre huge rural farm outside Cincinnati. Calls 911. Now, let's talk about Bob and who Bob is before we get into this here. Let's talk about Bob Dale. Now, Bob Dale DeVore. Now, Bob Dale. Was Dale Billy taken? Bob Dale.

That's his brother, Jimmy. Jesus Christ. Have some fucking respect dale that's his brother jimmy jesus christ have some fucking respect that's his father grandfather and brother's name he's upset because he wasn't born first to get that title it's like man i gotta be bob dale all by myself they all get dale billy it's clearly the better name i'm gonna name i'm at five kids i'm gonna name all bob dale and see how they like that and nobody gonna keep bob dale down bob dale this is bob dale's day damn it so old bob dale uh he was born november 18th 1942 uh he's from chester oklahoma as most people are i know that's where you're from jimmy i was born there um i know what is it i think 34 of united of United States American presidents have been born in Chester, Oklahoma, I believe. So it's a hotbed.

Let's just say that. He was the son of Arthur Agnew DeVore, which is quite the name. Yeah. Arthur Agnew. I mean, how? Agnew. It's quite the middle name. It feels like two.

I love these old-timey middle names. They're my favorite thing ever. It feels like back then, they figured it's all in the name. You know, like you give them a great name, they'll succeed. Well, that's kind of all you really needed back then. Because you had your name and that was pretty much it. Like even if you ran for president, there was like a sketch of you and maybe a picture that someone saw one time in a book. Like there was no, they didn't have like on TV all the time.

It was just like, well, that name sounds better than that name. That sounds solid. Chester A. R. r that sounds solid you know what i mean people just pulling shit out of their ass just yeah andrew jackson right that sounds like a con man who likes indians so also his mom was hallie made uh harris uh devore so hallie may hallie may and arthur agnew are the parents here uh he's born to them uh he grows up in a rural area grows up farming grows up i mean tough scrabble there i mean in the 40s in oklahoma farming that sounds rough that builds a man though oh he's a he's a he's kind of like for lack of a better term a man's man when it comes to this sort of thing like

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So he was in the U.S. Navy also. Honorable discharge there. When he got out, he was a member of the VFW post 1674 down in Siloam Springs. So he was hanging out down there. He marries a woman. He meets a woman who's been married before, but he meets a woman named Pauline. Pauline becomes Pauline DeVore. This woman here, she's a tough one.

She is known to everyone as a tough. She's a tough old broad. They called her a tough old redneck cowboy lady cowboy lady that's what a person called her a redneck cowgirl no no no not her she's not a cow she's a cowboy lady that's what she and that's how she acts and she's tough and she has everybody's respect and you wouldn't dare call her a girl i don't feel like even even 10 years ago or 20 years ago she's a she's a badass uh she's known as hard-nosed very controlling of her family not a person to fuck with about anything especially money property things anything just you you deal

with her like her friends say like you don't want to be on the bad side of pauline right like that's not what you want she wears the overalls in this family your friends whether it's fine but you're on her bad side you're in deep shit right there yeah she is wears the overalls and holds the holds an extra pair just in case you can't have any she's tough uh so this 9-1-1 call here from said bob dale now that we know a little background on bob uh bob dale and And I heard the 911 recording. He just reports a burglary. He's like, I just got home. And he's he's calm as shit. He sounds like he called.

It sounds like he called to order pizza and didn't know what he wanted. Once he got the people on the phone, he was like, I guess a large pie pepper. I mean, what's happening? A pepperoni, I guess. Like, he's just very like i don't know just got home and i think my place is robbed stuff sounds great they're like okay well what what happened here uh they said what's missing and he said guns oh boy uh bank bags full of money um and my wife that's exactly how he said it really and my wife like she's missing too but he said it

like order of importance kind of laughing he's like guns bank bag and then there's just this long pause and he's like and my wife like i don't know if y'all want to mention that i mean get the guns back but if y'all find my wife anywhere near the guns y'all bring her back too i suppose i mean i am getting hungry but if if there ain't no bank bags, don't bother bringing her home. Unless she's got groceries. Because, like I said, I'm getting a little hungry. I'll kick her back out. Don't worry.

She can go find them bank bags. I could eat. Yeah, she said that these bank bags had items related to their rental properties. Because Pauline owns a lot of land in the area and has a bunch of apartments and farm things and all sorts of shit that she rents out to people yeah that's how she makes her living uh she first i wasn't worried about his tone in the phone call because i don't he's an old calm farmer that was overall anybody in the south is ever worried whenever they call the police because they go hello hello nine yeah i'd like to report that's exactly how it. I don't feel scared because I'm holding a shotgun. He's just like, I just got home.

Things are missing. He was just very calm. While I was out, I had guns with me anyway. Always do, obviously. He said that, he just laughed about it, which was really weird. That's bizarre. They called out the cops. He just laughed about it, which was really weird.

They called out the cops. A corporal wagoner from the Washington County Sheriff's Office came out to the property here. Bob said, I've been gone since a few days ago. I was on a truck driving assignment. He's a farming truck driver who wears overalls all the time. He's not a stereotype or anything. No, not at all. Old Bob here. He said when he arrived that night, he said there were vehicles at the house and the door

was locked. So that's normal. Just walked up like everything was fine. Yeah. Then he gets in the house. Shit's missing. Yeah. Bank bags, guns.

Guns. Wow. My wife. I mean, like I said, I mean, she just, who knows what happened to her. But them guns, that's a family heirloom. Y'all could find those for me. My grandpappy gave that to me. I got all the numbers written down here. Do you have your wife's cell phone number? I don't know. but them guns that's a family heirloom y'all could find my grandpappy gave that to me so

all the numbers written down here do you have your wife's cell phone number uh i don't know maybe it's in my phone what color eyes does your wife have uh now that one remington it's a real nice one it's got a walnut stock barrel so you're gonna really have to be careful if you do do that don't chip it because it's got a i mean uh i think uh green i don't know he says he had she had a walnut stock eyes is that a thing you know anything about that y'all know what i mean now because that's a i feel like that's very popular around this area eyes matched the grain in the wood on the 45 pistol did i tell you to really concentrate on them guns because that's really what i'm concerned with now so he said that uh yeah he just he gets home he said he

opens the door he said he sees shit missing and then the real weird thing is there's bullet holes in the wall that's not normal where did that information come he said just notice that he's like fuck i've been looking around i noticed the guns are gone and shit. There's bullet holes all over these walls. I don't know. Real calm about it. I guess there's bullet holes there. I don't know.

He said last time he talked to his wife, Pauline, was that morning. He said, I don't know. I don't know what happened. I just went trucking, and I'm back now, and bullet holes, shit's gone. My wife's gone. I don't know what's going on now. So I called y'all. Y'all can figure it out.

I don't know Bob Dale. That's right. Hey, it's funny that none of us are Asian, but we all say we are ain't that funny i just liked it it's a good sense of community i like it it's pretty funny oh these guys like how we all came together and really fucked the census oh we did we fucked it all up they have no idea what's going on now there's two jackasses sitting out somewhere in the desert talking about they don't think there's asians everywhere everyone you can't even get an egg roll in this town they don't think you can't get one anywhere you go to bet of course you go to benton and get an egg roll but we ain't anywhere near benton now are we fayetteville got egg rolls it's three damn hours develop jesus. Jesus. I know Cincinnati. Don't even bring that up now.

Since a who? What? There's another one. I've been trucking all day just to get me a fortune cookie. It's that bad. Nobody knows that. Forget about wantons. Oh, man.

So he he lists the shit that's missing. The guns, the bank bag, his wife. Also, his wife's recliner is missing, which is an odd thing to take. You usually don't take that with you. You take bank bags and you take guns because those are things of value. Bank bags might have money and guns you can sell for cash quickly, obviously, in a black market situation. But a used recliner?

That's an odd take. They strap that to the top of the car? of all you know it's two people it's not one guy yeah it's two people and then they had to hook it going out the door which is a real now god damn it jesus my back's hurting it's why they make the back uh fucking separate i'm not physically cut out for crime. I'm having a hard time with this. So wife's recliner. I thought we were stealing guns, not moving. What are we doing here? This is ridiculous.

So the sheriff's detective there, our sheriff's officer, Wagner, noticed that there is two. Men or Chin? Wagner. Chin? Wagner? Chin Wagner. That's actually, Wagner's his first name. His name is Wagner. Wagner Men. That's actually Wagner's his first name.

Wagner Lim actually is his name. I'm not sure. Jimmy, come on. Just assume it's Kim. It's fucking Lim. It's not his fault. He noticed even with his eyes the way they are, he noticed I'm just kidding.

Come on. We could resist that. I just wanted Jimmy's head to explode come on you know that's a cheap joke we wouldn't make that joke I knew it would that's why I said it I'm not gonna finish it like it's a real joke but I just wanted to make Jimmy's fucking

one vein pop out of his forehead when I start to worry about him. It's a nice shade of magenta right now, though. I got to tell you guys, it's pretty amusing. Oh, fucking good. Wagoner here in all seriousness. So, Waggoner here, in all seriousness, he notices two bullet holes in the windows and two bullet holes in a gun cabinet, which is odd that you'd shoot the gun cabinet on. And several drawers were emptied into the floor in one room, but the rest of the house appeared untouched and no sign of forced entry whatsoever on the patio there's no blood because they say like if someone's going to be abducted right uh and there's bullet holes and especially if it's someone like pauline who's

not someone who would go quietly yeah you wouldn't you wouldn't just drag her out in a headlock no you take her in her chair yeah so you just strap her to her chair and drag her out that's even harder to hook around and now damn it but uh she's they're saying you know she'd be fighting so there's going to be someone's blood's going to be somewhere. There's going to be some, you know, sign of a struggle here, especially like on the outside because there's this patio. Jesus Christ, Jimmy, this patio is cluttered with shit. Of course it is.

It is the most stereotypical hillbilly fucking patio ever. What is that? There's like a shitload of propane tanks and a couple of engines and shit it's fucking pots and yeah those like fire things but just shit everywhere looks like for the last 50 goddamn years they've been collecting shit on this fucking patio it's just the worst so he says that's odd they found on the patio no blood no scrape marks no struggle indication uh wagner felt something wasn't right about the whole thing. Odd bullet holes and shit like that.

He calls in his supervisor, who is a Detective Connor, and he also thought things were a little weird about that. Also living on the property in a trailer, obviously, is Pauline's daughter. It is her youngest child, her daughter, whose name is Dolores. How old is she? She is about 48 years old at this point. Wow. Yes, she is 48, and we'll talk about her story, because she's got an interesting tale to her of how she ended up back here.

I figure as much. She's not the most upstanding young lady in the world. She's not a young lady either if you're 48. I think lady is a term you'd use loosely on her as after what she does as well but we'll we'll talk about her in a minute all right uh so uh police uh they uh they said they they keep following up pauline's just gone and they're just like well i guess my wife's missing i don't know like there's nobody seems concerned about it there's just no real like drive toward finding an answer but we better at least take a gander and

look because if she comes back and finds out we didn't look boy she's gonna be pissed she's gonna be pissed it's gonna be a few more bullet that's gonna be uh you thought them tornadoes were bad let me tell you something let me tell you what you ain't seen give it a good gander you ain't seen hurricane or tornado pauline come through here because she gonna tear your asshole apart this town of once over that's a different kind of tear up now so uh he calls in these people and i just love this do these two guys these two detectives are a detective and and this officer they're sitting there and they're like okay so they go to this farm and there's bullet holes yeah what are you thinking there's You got this fat farmer with his fucking overalls, bullet holes, no struggle.

My wife's gone, I guess. No blood and bullet holes. That's weird. Guns and bank bags missing, which that's consistent with a robbery. The recliner's strange and they keep coming back to the recliner. Also, the cops are like,

why is the recliner gone? I don't. Was it lined with money? Was it made of bank bags? They're very confused and the recliner's, why is the recliner gone? I don't. Was it lined with money? Was it made of bank bags? They're very confused. And the recliner is like kind of the sticking point of this case where sometimes you get like these detectives, like there'll be a case where it's just one thing. They're like, I have to resolve that before I can put this on the shelf.

That's for sure going to be the piece that makes the whole picture come to focus. In the David Simon homicide book, there's this's this guy a detective and he's talking about he spent like six hours in a crime scene but made all the medical guys wait and everything because something wasn't right about this lady hung herself and something wasn't right about the placement of the slippers and he spent like six hours figuring out why it was like that before he could go okay it's a suicide and before he felt okay about it because he had to figure out okay she took her slipper off with one foot and then wrapped the other one blah blah blah and that's how it would fall but he had to like figure it out and i feel like you'd have to be like that kind of how does that recliner fit into this like what piece of this

fucking puzzle does that recliner that's a crazy job because you've got to actually mentally see the thing happen in reverse yeah with no video no no no video you have to think if this happened that happened and that would be there it's this is logical progression and you've got to do it all on estimates of like how that would bounce versus where it's crazy it's all playing you know wiffle ball and losing something in the woods and you're like if it hit that rock then it would have bounced over to this direction and then it should be by this bush you know it's all that except with dead people, which is much more difficult. If you look at the Columbine footage of those two boys lying in the library and you had to guess how they shot themselves, just just on sight of that, you're out of your fucking mind and reading and then reading how they actually did it, how they theorize they did it.

And they're pretty goddamn sure how they actually did it, how they theorize they did it, and they're pretty goddamn sure how they did it. Yeah, yeah. Then you can see how it, just reading how they actually did it, and then looking at the bodies, and you're like, oh, yeah, of course. Yeah, obviously. Absolutely. And these homicide guys, an experienced homicide guy, they're pretty good like that.

They can walk in and pretty much, there's a million little telltale things where they're like, okay, if this wasn't that, it would be. It's really I don't know. I'm so looking at a picture. I go, yeah, that's fucked up. I don't want to see that. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It's funny to little things like they have. There's little things where they check to see if shit's been staged. Also, where's the what kind of rigor are they in? Is there maybe it's really interesting. That's why that homicide book is amazing. If you got a strong stomach and you could be around a dead body like that. Good.

But oh, man. And sometimes they talk. No, no, no, no. When I when when you hear some of them, like if they find somebody who's been there for a while and they're like, oh, man, the I mean, he's got to roll them and they might pop. Like, oh, my God, because there's well, you're like, holy shit, like that. That sort of thing. And the maggots. And then there's a lot of gross things in bodies.

So fast. Especially like in a hot place in the summer. You know, they'd find it like in Baltimore. This was Baltimore, that book. They'd find a body in Leakin Park where they found Raymond Lee, the serial character. Not character. The poor girl who got killed. And they based serial on Jesus Christ.

There you go. You know what? The funny thing is, she moved here from arkansas because she's asian so that's obviously yeah i'm just kidding so anyway yeah they'd say bodies the decomps are bad it's bad stuff and the worst is fires they say the worst that's the worst of all are fired that's like that sounds horrible i wouldn't want to do that to go out to get called in at two o'clock in the morning to go look at some like a charred child and i can't fucking do that i saw the crime scene go home of of that travis alexander that jody arias killed yeah and it was i mean within days of of his murder and the dude looked like he'd been out for years what i do now

is bad enough yeah like i i see these fucking pictures all the time because i gotta describe it to you yeah well i need to describe it to you guys. So I click through pictures and look through the shit and it's fucking it. Believe me, this is disturbing enough. I couldn't imagine if I had to be there actually on site and then also talk to the family and tell them that's the thing that the worst in the homicide book they talked to was like, you know, they found a dead 11 year old girl and then they had to go knock on the door and tell the fucking mother that I don't know

how you do that. I don't even know how the fuck you do that. Like that. That's a whole. So you have to be tough and do all this. And then you also have to have this other gear where you can go to, you know, a mother who's wanting their child and tell them that it's bad news and be able to sort of console them and still get information out of them.

Like, that's a crazy. That's a very skillful position. And you got to do that deadpan. You know, like straight face. Well, you have to have a bedside manner. That's fucking incredible. I couldn't do it. That's why the homicide detectives are kind of the upper echelon of the, you know.

And weirdos. Yeah, they're a little, yeah. You got to be kind of smart. It's a different. You got to detach from everything. It's a different level. Yeah, you do. That's one thing. I one of the hugs with your family are super warm that's why you get the therapy oh that's why you get horrible dark humor and shit like that and uh you know that's why we

get messages from cops saying they like the show because they like dark humor you know i mean people like that they can laugh about the shit that they have to deal with like we laugh about that shit all the time because there's nothing else you can do about it and you know we have to see it so anyway they say everybody they all the time because there's nothing else you can do about it. And, you know, we have to see it. So anyway, they say everybody, all the investigators that follow up, they keep following up. Any leads they get, they follow up. But they said they never get like an indication that she took off. Like there's no preparation for her taking off.

There's no indication of her just going somewhere. That's not her nature. All of her friends said that's not how she is. She has a million responsibilities, and she's all about money. And we'll find out also what she's got a habit of doing that she wouldn't go far. We'll find out here in a second. Also, he talked about the bullet holes. The cops were talking about the bullet holes, which they thought were really weird.

Right away, that was the thing that was a red flag also. No recliner, bullet holes, no blood. And in windows. In windows, like shooting through the windows. The investigator said that, quote, we thought it was staged the minute we pulled up. It didn't make any sense. It was too staged.

That's what the lead investigator said. As soon as they walked up, that was a gut feeling. And this is not right. There's something weird here. They said the one sheriff's department representative said, quote, That's the problem. We don't know where she's at. And her husband said that there's not a reason for her to be gone. And nobody knows where she's at. So that's who they chose to speak for their department. That's the problem. We don't know where she is at. And her husband said that there's not reason for her to be gone and nobody knows where she is at. That's out of the whole police department. That's who they chose. That's the best one. They're like, well, he opens his mouth a little bit when he speaks.

So we don't know where she's at. He enunciates at bit when he speaks. So we don't know where she's at. He enunciates at. Yeah. That's the problem. We don't know where she's at. And the press was like, you know, shit. That's why we're fucking talking to you. Otherwise, what are we talking about?

Are we asking if you have for lunch? Yeah, yeah. We don't know where she's at. That's fucking weird, man. So what's the deal with Dolores and Pauline and all this sort of thing? Okay, we'll find out a little bit of backstory here. Pauline had four kids with her first husband back in the day. She has a lot of property that she inherited from her parents. So she's got all this property.

So Bob Dale's a stepdad to four kids. Yes, but they're grown. But Bob Dale's around hundreds and hundreds of acres of property and rental properties. And this is how she makes her living. She's got a lot of money. They had, from what everyone described, a bit of an idyllic life here. It was the four kids, three boys. And then Dolores is the only girl.

And she's the youngest. Black sheep. So, yeah. And she's also the youngest, too. So it's kind of. The baby. She's the baby. And she's the one who has a couple of problems.

We'll find out some things that are not her fault happened to her that are kind of shitty and you're like backwoods arkansas weird oh weird not what you think would happen actually getting out of backwoods arkansas was the bad thing for her really it's a weird thing but uh uh so they had this life that everybody kind of they were all jealous of of them as like they were like the perfect kind of family everybody thought until pauline everybody says and this is her friends everybody people who like her yeah say yeah pauline's great she's tough though uh she's difficult to deal with sometimes like i wouldn't want to have to be in business with her or married to her or working for her or like if you run into her down at the feed shop

if you see her in aisle four the piggly wiggly she's fun to talk to for a minute but then you hit the fuck out of there and get back to your farm i wouldn't want to be married to her be business with her that's right i don't want to be around this woman anything when i said hello to her yeah she said hello she she's fine but she said hello back she nodded it wasn't audible but she nodded that's hello good enough for me so that's how she is though she's she's just tough to deal with and that's what everybody thinks she's just really difficult to deal with and uh anything that she is that like a business a marriage child children that sort of thing she's going to be in charge any situation

she can be in charge of she's going to be in charge she's going to fucking control it and she's just a tough lady she grew up on a goddamn farm in arkansas and her parents raised her to be tough and she's a tough ass lady uh but that's always that's not the easiest person to be married to lady or man if they're that way uh that can be difficult so pauline ends up breaking up with her first husband over just general. They didn't get along. Pauline breaks up with him. He takes the boys, the three boys with him and moves to Texas, which is super strange that they would break the kids up like that. That's very, very odd. I guess he takes the boys and Dolores stays with pauline in arkansas

so now the family's broken up even the siblings are broken up all i can think is it's like you know back in the 70s maybe they were like well you know how to raise boys and she's a girl and i'll teach her about a period i'll teach her about a period and what to do with braids and shit and you teach them not to write people or it's texas to write people however y'all do things down there you teach them how to wax their carrot and i'll teach her how to change her oil all right deal break and then they go he took off in his truck she took off in her truck separate ways right like a journey song so uh he stays uh she stays there as a teenager. There's some problems in the home with Pauline and Dolores.

Namely, they don't get along at all because she has to spend time around her. She that kind of thing. Yeah. Pauline is she's upset that it's it's hard because the kids upset that the father left. Right. Which this is what I mean. It's not her fault that her parents broke up and her dad moved away with her brothers to Texas, which is there's no good situation for her here, because if she stays here with

her mother, then like they left her here. But then if her mother says, yeah, you should be with your siblings and sends her, then she got rid of her. So there's really no either way. It's abandonment. Her psyche's fucked either way on this whole thing here. But they don't get along at all. Dolores is very rebellious.

She's very wild. And Pauline is ultra super controlling. So this is just oil and water. They fight, fight, fight. Finally, Pauline's had enough. And she says, I can't take it anymore. I'm sending you to live with your father in Texas. So she sends this kid to live with her dad in texas this is where pauline or dolores is pissed

she goes off the deep end she feels like her mother abandoned her and that's the end of the story mom fucking got rid of me because i'm a pain in the ass so now i'll be a pain real pain in the ass and that's or now i can do whatever. Or now I can do whatever I want. Now I can do whatever I want. I'm the little girl. I don't know what her train of thought was, but she was super, super upset. And like I said, I don't blame her. As someone who, for my own good or whatever it was, got shipped between parents across the country back and forth,

you do feel like, but they not want me here? Or am I going here because it's better or because they don't want me anymore like you feel like that as a kid and it fucks you up and that far of a fucking trip and then you don't want to talk to people all the time and you're more of a then you end up like me that's what that's what fucking happens you know it's two in the morning clicking through crime scenes that's what you do yes that's exactly right you know that and you go to six different fucking eight different schools and you it's End up at two in the morning clicking through crime scenes. That's what you do. Yes, that's exactly right. You go to six different fucking eight different schools. Yeah, be me.

It's fun. We're disasters on the inside. I wish you guys knew. It's the worst. It's barely held together. Barely. All of it. The amount of emotional lack of support as a child and the just trauma slash fucking abandonment issues are so prevalent in my 30s. And the shit that happened to us was nothing compared to some people. Nothing.

Right. There's people, kids that get burned with cigarettes all the time. Forced to eat their own vomit. There's the horrible thing. It's terrible. Anyway, this wasn't happening to this girl. But Dolores was super fucking wild. She's really into drugs as a teenager.

Starts, just starts out drinking, smoking some weed, gets into some pills, that sort of thing. It's the 70s. I'm sure she's doing a little mescaline, dropping some acid, eating some mushrooms. Party time. You know, a little couple of lewds, little quaaludes. Party in Texas. Yeah, but wee wee. So of lewds, little quaaludes. Party in Texas. Yeah, wee-wee. So it was probably just beer and shit dirt weed.

So she gets really into it. Backseat of a Trans Am. Oh, yeah, just loving it. Sticking your head out the T-top like a fucking asshole. I'll let you win long hair, yeah. Oh, yeah, you know you're going to have long hair. So she's known as a wild kid. She's a very wild kid.

She goes out. She doesn't come home when she's supposed to. as a wild kid. She's a very wild kid. She goes out. She doesn't come home when she's supposed to. She comes home drunk. She's an asshole, basically. As if you're a parent. She's a fucking girl. What a dream. I know.

She's living the life. She's living the life. Yeah. She's living the life of a delinquent. Right. Problem is this. This is pretty much how she lives her life for the next 20 years. Dolores.

That's not good. No. She just gets deeper into drugs. Basically, she lives her life like a high school junior that dropped out and wants to do a lot of drugs. And she's like, I can do that at 32 much easier. That's better. I ain't got no parents telling me what to do. So she does this.

She lives in Texas. Her drug problem, though, as she gets older, as she lives in texas uh her drug problem though as she as she gets older as she gets into her 30s her drug and alcohol problem really start to it's funny too because that's when shit catches up to people like when you're like 26 unless you're like a huge you have a huge problem a lot of people can they can be cool with it but then when they hit their 30s and they're they start feeling it in their body yeah that's when they're like i have a problem it's like you could recover when you're 24 if you had a terrible night but when you're 37 and that happens to you starts doing like 50 beats a second and you seriously consider calling an ambulance because you're having some adult

fucking health problem right now that doesn't happen when you're 20 you don't even know that exists when you're 24 so it's just different grocery store buying salisbury steak and then you go i definitely have a problem that's that's yeah you're like not that what have i done no what have i done well that peach that uh the cherry shit's delicious as we've talked about but when you're in your 30s though that's when people start to hit rock bottom that's when you get like you know even bubbles from the goddamn wire got into that. He's like, you know what? I got to move into my sister's basement, get my shit clean and try to get my shit together.

Hang out with Steve Earl. Go to these meetings. I fucking never. Steve Earl is in this show. Yes. Steve Earl. The country singer. Yes.

Copperhead wrote Steve Earl. He's in the fucking show. He's a very big character. Oh, my God. He's a very big character. Oh, my God. He's Bubbles' rehab mentor. I love it. show he's a very big character oh my god he's a very big character he's like he's bubbles rehab mentor i love it and he's a former junkie and he sings the theme song for the fifth season

yes so you should watch guitar town will this make you watch the show finally after all this bubbles and avon fucking barks down the marlowe and McNulty and Bunk and every other goddamn person. Steve Earle. I tell you, there's a fucking country singer in it and you're like, oh, watch it now. Steve Earle's in it, you motherfucker. God damn it, I wish I could reach you. I'd fucking strangle you with your microphone cord,

you lousy bastard. That's my guy. Oh, that's awesome. No, he's really good in it, too. He's amazing. He's actually good in it, except his hair is a mess. Really? Well, he's got barely any hair on top,

but it's still real long and he just keeps it. And you're like, dude, that's... Because he's got like barely any hair on top but he's it's still real long and he just keeps it and you're like dude that's because he's still playing country concerts and that shit sells babe it does he's gotta have it so his voice is fucked though for shit yeah he's and has it's been pretty fucked up for a while yeah well he's smoked for so many fucking years he's it's him and bob seger who's affected most. He looks like a fucked up Bob Seger in the show. That's what he looks like in the show.

He's like, oh, bubs. And every time he talks, he gets like this, he's got like this kind of twitch. I sound just like him

right now, actually, in the show because he kind of sounds like that. He might be from Arkansas. Let me tell you something, Bubbles.

And he'll do this thing with his neck that you people can't see at home, but Jimmy can see right now. And that's exactly what he looks like. And I wish you watched the fucking show. That's a perfect Steve Earl.

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Anyway. All right. She's there. She starts as she goes in when she starts getting deeper into pills. Yeah. Alcoholic. All of this shit. 1997.

She's 38 years old and still into all this shit in Texas. Her family actually has an intervention with her, like family and friends down there have like a big intervention. Yeah. Texas style, which is just everybody around grunting and nodding at you until somebody goes you know what y'all been doing and then that's the end of it no it's not a very emotional thing they don't talk about their feelings they just go yeah you know job dude so uh they talked to her we heard what you've been doing so they figure the only thing she can do to get clean the only thing that's going to work for this girl for this lady for this woman she's 38 years old sorry uh is to move back to arkansas with her mother that's that's the problem

that's going to be the one i don't know if they actually think that well her mom does live on a farm in the middle of nowhere so they're thinking maybe if we get her out of this she knows friends and she goes out to the bars and she does maybe if we get her away from this to a rural farm somewhere and maybe that'll clean her up like i don't know some sort of montel williams boot camp situation i don't remember black tar heroin being back in so you know either that or she's such a fucking pain in the ass that they were just like, it'd be so much better for you back there.

Just like, so much better. She got evicted from Texas. Yeah. Order from the mayor. We all sat down and had a talk. No, we decided against the Asian census thing. We ain't going to do that as a whole state. That'd be super weird.

That'd be bizarre. But what we are going to do is ship your ass out of here. The hell out. Send you to Western Arkansas. Enjoy. So they talk her into moving back there. And that was the governor. That was the governor.

That's what I mean. That's the top spokesman in the entire state right there. The top. The guy that pardons people speaks like that. No, that's the one. Like he shits where he fucking... He shits outdoors. that's perfect uh so they talk her into moving back with her mother and uh bob devore that's who she because now her mother has uh she's married bob devore bob dale bob dale is her fourth

husband my christ she's gone through some marriages uh because she has a fiery temper and she didn't take any shit yeah and uh it's and uh i don't know if she's difficult to deal with or she marries bums or who the fuck knows but maybe she was just born in the wrong era that's what it is so she's that's i mean she's she's she's has a hard time with relationships because uh and she's very independent and i feel like in that area and that maybe the men would want to control her a little bit, and she ain't having that shit whatsoever. So good for you, Pauline. So Pauline finds Bob, fourth husband. They met when he does some work on a rental property that she owns.

She makes her living with the rentals and the tenants and all this type of shit. She drives around in her pickup. She's got this big, you know, country pickup, extended cab, big giant pickup that she drives. Yeah, that's exactly right. One of those big bad sons of bitches there. She drives this truck. No one else. No one's allowed to drive this truck but her.

This is goddamn Pauline's truck. Stay the fuck away from it. Don't mess with her presets. She's got Christian radio. She's got theian radio she's got the talk radio she's got she lacks a motown oldie station though she don't let nobody know that but when she's alone she she cranks it up and she's like oh i like the supremes so you know how it goes so uh she's got secrets you know what i mean secrets this old lady uh but yeah she uh

she goes around and uh personally with her truck once a month goes around and collects all her rents really so you see this tough old broad at your doorstep it's fucking rent paying time i'll mail you a check no i'll be here pick it up oh no i'll be there on the first to get it from you don't worry i'll be knocking you better have her rent that's the thing like you don't fuck around with her money like and they talked about like she'd have people working for her on the farm and she just berates these guys. She does these big farmhand guys, and she's like, how stupid are you?

You don't know how to do anything. You're calling them dummies and shit. Just not a pleasant woman to work for, but she's exacting. She wants what she wants. In that era, too, when she grew up, you had to be tough. I assume to be a woman who was like in charge of shit and owning a bunch of shit in a rural area like that, you had to be twice as tough probably.

You had to be Marge Schott. Yeah, you had to be the fabulous Moolah basically. It was, you know, that's what you had to be. Pauline, the reason why it's odd for her to disappear is she needs to collect her rents and she doesn't fuck around with money. Like we said, and there's a reason for that. And the reason for that is a lot of times when she's done collecting her

rents, she heads right over to the, to the casino. Oh, uh, to gamble. Now, uh,

she wins sometimes. Sometimes she wins large sums of money cause she gambles large sums of money. She's gambling people's rent. She's gambling a lot of money. Like there's's she'll lose five ten fifteen thousand at a pop sometimes sometimes she'll win fifteen thousand but sometimes she'll lose fifteen thousand and uh as we all know if you go to the casino constantly

at the end of the year you're gonna find that you didn't win right that's why there's casinos that's why they're in fucking business because that just isn't gonna happen the more you're going fucking amazing in vegas the odds are on. And that's why they're fucking amazing in Vegas. The odds are on their side. That's why they exist. That's why if you keep going and going, if you go once and get lucky, yay, you won. Run away. That's it.

Get out of that because you're going to lose eventually. And she does. She loses a lot of money. This is multiple times a week she's going to the casino. So it's a lot of money. And it's getting to be a problem where you know bob even talks to her about it like hey i know it's like your money and everything but we're kind of you know saving for our retirement and you're kind of pissing away thousands of

dollars at a time we're all the same team to where she is not going to take kindly to that at all you fucking tell her not to gamble her fucking money away she'll gamble whatever the hell she goddamn well pleases and she's not taking any shit from bob here so bob just puts his overalls on shrugs his shoulders gets in his truck and fucking drives away all right gets in his big rig and there he goes uh so she goes there uh so this uh uh their their property is a 270 acre farm like we said uh uh it's it's uh a lot of pasture land tons of land with a house right in the middle okay it's like right in the middle of the land it's on the edge or anything like that and then the trailer's kind of on the edge of the of the land not right by the house here

now uh bob is considered a very hard worker uh he's a farmer also and people in the area say you know he's not a slacker. Not like that lazy bastard Bob. You wouldn't want him helping you in your field. He's out there farming. Bob, his overalls. Have you seen his overalls? They are dirty as shit. Them some farming overalls now.

Let me tell you something. Let me tell you what. So he's a member of the Arkansas Cattlemen's Association. Oh, my God. That is as southern as it gets. That's the Arkansasansas cattlemen's association he's the president of the siloam springs riding club i guess riding horses i hope cows bulls fucking riding goats i don't know what they're riding you get something this isn't low

i'll fucking ride it i'm the president of riding that shit you see my you can take my business card here it is give a fuck what it is if it eats hay i'll ride it and then he is uh this this i'm actually close to my heart because this is my old job yeah on the board of directors for the ozark junior rodeo association for a number of years so that's uh he took my spot that's what it is right so kids actually after he retired i said i'll get in there bob don't you worry about that no one cares more about junior rodeo in the ozarks yeah than your guy right here that's i'm telling you that right now i am mr ozark rodeo when the grasshoppers come in james is out of town what once the plague comes i tend to leave bob is a fisherman he likes to ride horses hence the riding and also he's got a couple motorcycles he likes to dick around with.

That sort of thing. Yeah. He owned a bunch of businesses in the area also. And he's a truck driver and a farmer. And Pauline, they're very, you know, they're making something of themselves. Yeah. They're really, they're into the business and they're into money. James, what you're looking for is American.

That's what they are. No, we're looking for a different word than that. So I didn't say they were overweight or racist. I don't think I remember saying that. If we can't laugh at ourselves, who can we laugh at? People in other countries are like, yeah, good. They got themselves. Everyone here is like, hey, dicks, fuck you.

Take it easy. I'm not racist. Exactly. Right. Hey, i'm not that fat so it's all right america is a trailer park we know that we live here and we're all members of the trailer park so we're all too we can all take shots outside it doesn't matter we're all in the tent and uh we're pissing out of it i could use the treadmill or a couple laps in our community pool. It's fine. Exactly. So Dolores ends up moving back into this home with Bob.

And they're older. I mean, they're in there. They're, you know, they're 60 years old here. This is 1997. She's like 38. Her mom's like 60. And Bob's an older guy, too. And they haven't had any kids around.

I mean, Pauline's all of her kids were gone. Yeah. Bob's just, you know, they haven't had any kids around. I mean, Pauline's, all of her kids were gone. Bob's just, you know, they don't have, they've been living a different life. And now all of a sudden this other lady's here. She doesn't move in with them right away. And when she moves back to Arkansas, Dolores moves into one of the apartments that Pauline owns. Gotcha. I feel like it's like, let's keep her at arm's length for a minute and see if she's going to drive us crazy. She works for Pauline.

Pauline owns several businesses. She works on the farm for Pauline and lives in one of these apartments, which sounds brutal. That's better than Texas. I was going to say, she's sitting there going, I was doing a drug addict. Was she? Drugs were kind of fun. I was thinking back in Texas. They're smiling a lot.

It was better than this. I mean, I had to smile kind of tight because i lost all my teeth from the meth but besides that it's very you know so she's working i remember showing my gums a lot i did i was very that happened and now it's a tight frown they're a shiny nice pinkish red everybody thinks very complimentary toward my selection oh i do i lost my teeth but i'll brush you need to stimulate the gum jimmy that's so she's working for pauline eventually uh i don't know why this seems like a backward step i would feel eventually she ends up letting pauline move into a trailer on the property yeah which seems like a backwards yeah it seems like she'd go there and make her live on the

trailer on the property then when she proved herself to not be a fuck up she'd say i'll let you stay at one of my apartments so you have your own space and be a but it's the opposite for some reason narcotics anonymous like step it's a halfway house space this trailer's a halfway house to your own step to your own life to your own shitty apartment that i own so it's really that'll be a three-quarter house and then from there you can move on to having your own place in your 40s that'd probably be best for you i think at that point uh you know maybe have a life instead they put her into a they give her a job making money but you're going to be paying that money back to me on the first every month every i'll be there knocking you'll be on my rounds your paycheck

back so yeah so they don't get along though still this whole time they never get along uh well it's still pauline is bossy and and uh dolores is very d they call her d d is very uh rebellious and she resents the shit out of pauline and she says that she tells pauline you fucking abandoned me you sent me away like you know she's upset about that. I'm a drug riddled adult. Look at me because of you. Look at what happened to me because of whatever situation you cause. And now I'm 38 and I'm moving back in with you because of you. Yeah. And I heard the father, whatever.

Not me. I didn't cause this. I have to do these. Just thinking I was a kid. I didn't cause any of this. So anyway, but at some point when you're in your 30s, yeah, you have to take responsibility for your own fucking life. But in her psychotic.

Oh, yeah, that's what happens. That's all that's going on in there. So she's she's clean, though. She does get stop drinking, stop doing drugs while she's doing this. She's working on the farm. She's probably exhausted. She gets back to the trailer at the end of the night from working on the farm. She's probably like, oh, Jesus Christ.

No, thanks on the on the whatever you got there. No, thank you. But she ends up finding some room for friends. She befriends a woman named Monica Bautista. She's originally from Mexico. She lives in the area. They hang out together because they have common interests. They both like to smoke meth.

Oh. So they're going to smoke meth together. So, yeah, that's nice. At first, I thought it was because she was progressive. No, no. And she liked to have some extra culture. No, no, no. She's very much, she really was learning how to make a good tortilla was the thing.

She's very much into the cuisine of Mexico. And the soft foods. That's what she liked. Yes, very soft. Because you can make those soft. She said, I would the cuisine of Mexico. And the soft foods. That's what she liked. Yes, very soft. Because you can make those soft. She said, I would like a soft taco. You don't know how Monica boils down the rice and makes it super soft. Them tamales, boy, that melts right in your mouth.

Boy, let me tell you something. That matzo really just slides down the gullet. They don't do art together. They don't sculpt together. They haven't started a small like a bicycle shop in town nothing like that they just hang out just smoking meth all right just smoking meth and uh monica is especially a valuable friend to have and a trustworthy friend for uh d detrust her very much because monica's her meth dealer yeah she sells her the meth so

you know that's nice she's in tight with her boss she's a meth dealer it's amazing and it's pretty fucking it's weird because uh uh bob is upset with pauline at this point you know she's smoking meth in the trailer after farming bob and pauline are fighting over the gambling so it's it's kind of getting a little chaotic uh in this bob ends up making an ally in dolores about they complain about the mother oh boy complain about pauline he says she's spending all the money and then the daughter says she's a fucking bitch and i hate her and she's isn't she awful and all this sort of thing uh he starts to he goes on these trucking trips he starts to take dolores along with him

on these trucking trips yeah because it's easier to drive when you're on meth. Well, that's the thing there. And it's funny because how would she afford meth working on the farm and not having any money? She would afford meth because it's a very strange thing. Neighbors start to hear weird rumors that they think overall Bob Dale is fucking Dolores. Oh, no. So there's rumors of this. Whenever they're alone together or like

a way together everybody uh that's seen them she always calls him daddy oh god in a creepy way she met him when she was 38 years old she didn't know him before that she didn't move to 1997 so this is like a few years after this is 2003 for this sort of shit is going on um so he every time that they would go on a trip together which was often uh he would give her a couple hundred bucks yeah which was for fucking yeah he would be like well i'll take care of you a little bit here and then she would have meth money wow so she's fucking farmer bob dale for meth money on the road wow and you get the adult the added bonus of incest of well obviously that's a bonus you get the added bonus of sticking it in her mom's face i'm fucking your husband now

even though jimmy i can't describe this man he is a picture an old farmer yeah he's an old white haired crew cut bald droopy faced his face looks like a chicken he's just this like a fat chicken he's a he's a roly-poly man wearing fucking overalls everywhere banging his stepdaughter and he's banging away and for him he's like this is great she's 20 years younger she's she's you know she's showering attention on him it's ridiculous skins where it belongs it's wonderful i love it. You just hit her arms and they don't move for too long. That's what happens.

It ain't like a pendulum like her mom. I can't even see that pink meat under the wax. It's amazing. So this is the whole backstory. This is what's going on. What the fuck? This leads up to June of 2007 and Pauline goes missing. Okay.

Okay. So a little, little backstory of what's happening here. Did Bob Dale divulge this information to Lieutenant Wagner? No, he didn't. As a matter of fact, he held the, he held the stepdaughter fucking and meth money giving real close to the chest. He held that one back to the chest. All he really told them is, I don't know. I don'tug my show i came home bullet holes shit's missing wife's gone i

don't know but i got some information right here in my chest pocket in my overall that i may not tell you behind my ash kasha big ash label sorry so uh uh the next day yeah uh cops come back because they're like let's talk to them again after we talk to them the first this seems odd here and they record an interview with bob uh where bob relates his truck truck driving shit he's like yeah we truck driver uh went from wednesday to friday he said that he met his stepdaughter d at a casino in oklahoma for dinner on thursday night she said he said she asked him to meet her for dinner in Oklahoma at a casino Thursday night, so he went. That was the only time.

Last time he talked to his wife was Thursday morning, has dinner with Dee Thursday night. Got it. He said that Dee was back at the ranch when he returned Friday night to find the missing guns and recliner and all that shit uh d was uh at the time she's living at the trailer obviously he said that bob tells the cops he's like well i don't know what happened but my only theory on it is uh i believe someone must have hit pauline on the head and taken her and they're like what why would you say that and he's

like that's just all i could think of and they're like well that's an odd thing not she ran away she did this i don't know somebody dragged her off i think someone hit her on the head right and the very specific and then dragged her off and there's no way that they shot her in the chest and wrapped her in a tarp and buried her in a creek or nothing i don't think that would happen i would guess hit on the head i wouldn't say they went deep into the woods with a with a with a small backhoe dug a large hole put her in it put some stuff on top of it and then put leaves on top so the earth don't look disturbed i don't think they did that i'm just gonna say i think but just i hit her on the head and dragged her is what

i'm a quick whack and then just a quick quick one to drive so uh that's his theory here uh uh now when they're talking to everybody d is also there uh she said she doesn't know shit she said i don't know i was on the fucking trailer smoking meth i got a lot of shit going on i have no idea what's happening here it's over you know making that right you know it's delicious guys it's so good so uh y'all got tape because even if you don't oh you do i never mind so uh so she was there but she's not just they don't really think much of her they're just like you know she said she doesn't know anything and they just you know all right

let's concentrate on bob here he seems the most suspect uh he has the theory he has a theory on it fucking officer bob here uh he uh he two of his guns end up being recovered that Sunday, June 17th, from a guy named Bill Underwood. And also a stolen, her stolen truck was left on his property. Underwood says, this guy, Bill Underwood says that Dee delivered him the guns Saturday and said that she was driving her truck, Pauline's truck. The one nobody else drives. Which had also been reported stolen once she left and uh at that point the cops once they heard that they're like we need to talk to a little more to this d person because this guns are missing but they're not missing

because she has them and then she also has her truck which is supposed to not be around right so this is a strange thing let's talk Let's talk to her. They are idiots. They dropped. Yeah. She's they got rid of the evidence in the town of 900 people. That's nuts. Nuts. I just gave it to another guy.

Here, hold this. So this is Dolores Eggert is her name. This is the daughter, by the way. I don't think we've mentioned that yet. She brought these firearms here. She asked him to keep these guns here, this Underwood guy. firearms here asked she asked him to keep these guns here this Underwood guy she told she told him that her mother was missing and that her mother's home had been burglarized she said the cash had been taken and she said these guns belong to Bob and that Bob didn't want them around the house because these

aren't the I guess these aren't the stolen guns he's saying she doesn't he Bob doesn't want these around the house now these particular two ones you know i don't want these to get stolen because they're gonna get they'll come back everybody comes back once you get once you find a place with guns it's like a cat that finds a bowl of food outside your door they're gonna keep coming back picking up more guns because they know you're just gonna keep replacing them in that gun cabinet it's like when you get meth you go right back to where you got the meth right back for more uh so you know where the meth is yeah so it's at this point they're like let's let's look into this d a little bit let's figure out what her story is and they do find out they don't have to look very far because

they just look into their own police files and they find out that pauline or polly as they always called her follow filed a police report on June 12th, 2007, which is three days before the 911 call, stating that someone had stolen her credit card and charged about $1,500 in cash advances between June 10th and 12th. So right away she gets on that shit, that someone is D, and an arrest warrant is issued for d on june 21st uh after that they follow up on this whole thing uh for theft by receiving uh concerning the stolen truck and the guns and uh they found out about the like we said about the credit card thing too which is a separate deal so uh they go to arrest d for this for for the receiving the truck and the guns thing, and they can't find Dee.

She's gone. She's taken off. Where the fuck does a meth head with no money and an affair with her stepfather take off to? It's not like she has a lot of options, I wouldn't imagine. She's not south of France, I don't think, living it up. It's either Texas or West Arkansas. Yeah. She hadn't. Hiding under the covers of Billy Bob's, what is his name? think like you know living it up it's either texas or west arkansas or yeah maybe uh she hiding yeah

hiding under the covers of uh billy bob's what is his name dale billy bob dale bob dale jesus christ you know if you just stay in the piggly wiggly and move around and they don't see you they turn all lights off you can just sleep there just walk down another aisle they close at 10 and then just go snuggle into the bathroom you get a good night's rest. What I do is I get some paper towels and use them as a pillow. Now, that's what you do. Sometimes, if they're the big, thick ones, they are soft. Oh, you use them as a blanket. You use them as a blanket now.

Let's not get crazy. So they speak to Bob again once they're looking for Dee. They're like, you know anything about where Dee is maybe? And he says he has no idea where Dee was. He said he has heard rumors that she could possibly be in mexico this guy and his theories and fucking rumors i love this guy's theories and where this one's hit on the head she could be in mexico just just spitballing i love all just pulling out of my ass very specific very specific things pulling it right out of my ass.

I love that so much. So, yeah, he he says he heard rumors she may be in Mexico, which he thought he thought maybe one of his daughters that knows her said that. But he's not sure where he heard it, even though like a week has gone by. And if you heard your stepdaughter was had taken off and your wife is missing and you were concerned about that at all, you might remember who told you she could possibly be in Mexico. Ridiculous. He said he did not believe that Dee's disappearance had anything to do with his wife's disappearance. So it's separate incidents. You don't understand.

She's a crackhead. So separate incidents. She could disappear at any point, any time. Listen, she's stealing credit cards, trucks, guns. She does meth. She's the type of girl that would fuck her stepdad. I feel like that's who she is. Not that I'm fucking her, but a different stepdad.

But I feel like I could. I could. She's had two other stepdads. He said that Bob, Bob again with his rumors, this fucking guy with his rumors. He said he heard rumors that his wife was in a fight with his biological daughters, not that would be her stepdaughters, or this is great. Listen, I heard rumors that either she's fighting with my daughters, or I also heard rumors that she got shot. That's his new theory.

He's taken from the bunk on the head and drag her away, or maybe one of my daughters took her or she's been shot i'm not sure not good at police work he's just like a psychic pulling shit out of his ass just like i see a vision right of my wife being shot by my daughter see i was thinking that there was a bonk on the head but it could have been a bullet that could have been a bullet that's a bomb technically bullet that's a bonk technically technically it's a hard bonk yeah and the brains come out and that's a bonk too so uh he said he couldn't this is the other thing too they ask him well okay those are some pretty strong rumors um where did you hear these rumors he couldn't confirm the source of the rumors he wasn't sure i'm not positive i hear things right i'm out all the time i i talk

to a lot of people it's just voices in rumors and everybody's got theories everybody's like i think your wife was strangle i think your wife was i'm not sure who said the shot one there's any positive about it maybe we're just playing clue and it was uh colonel mustard i i'm not positive we can check that that's what i there was a lot of clues i heard that's what i heard you could check y'all could check the board it's a game of process of elimination that's what it is he said that he knew no reason why pauline his wife polly would have problems with d and he did not think d was capable of hurting polly so he's like wipe that thought out of your head someone shot her but not fucking her even though she took off and is on meth and they've been fighting for 20 years not the source

of it i just saw him show up to a police interrogation room with the board game and he just like starts setting it up and they're like what are you doing we're about to figure out this goddamn murder that's what we're gonna do yeah that's not how this works sir no and then the then he says some more weird shit they ask him about the rental properties what are you going to do with all these rental properties and all this are you going to do this and he's like these things are goddamn pain in the ass he's like i'll tell you what i'll tell you what i'll make a damn good deal he said that pauline she better come back here because i need she's got to take care of these rental properties. He then says, even if I have even if I had to, quote, dig her back up, he'd make sure she'd be in charge of the rentals.

Who said she was dead? So now she's been bonked on the head. One's in Mexico fighting with her daughters, maybe been shot and possibly now buried. But for sure, I got to dig her up. Not sure where I heard that she was buried, though. I'm not sure. Maybe this is the same guy who told me that she was shot in the head so uh then june 29th he's got another rumor yeah uh three days later his room he heard a rumor fucking rumor where are

these rumors floating around where is he hanging out is he in deadwood is he just hanging out at elsewhere he's hanging out the gem with elsewhere and's like, I heard a guy rode into town today with message with the news from Yankton and told us all about what the fuck is happening. Rumors. I was down at VFW and then I was over at the junior as I was a president. The rodeo there, the Ozark Junior Rodeo. Junior Rodeo shit. Wow.

I should put that on things to do, by the way. This little Bobby has some damn good theories so bob says at this point his rumor is that uh uh polly and d were both dead both of them both of them are not separate obviously because one disappeared and then one was there and the other one disappeared that they're both dead in oklah heard a rumor that Polly was dead by the river. He, again, they said. Mutton busting champion told me, so it has to be true. Now they're like, okay, three days ago you had other theories and rumors.

You couldn't confirm them. Right. We didn't know that because a week went by. You couldn't confirm them. Now, three days later, you've now heard in the last three days. By the way, the moment, instant you heard, never got a phone call from me going, just heard something crazy. You guys might want to follow up on this shit. Just so I don't forget where I heard it.

Yeah. He, in three days, he heard rumors that both his wife and stepdaughter are dead. Dead. Which is, one of them's dead by a river yeah very specific rumors of his wife and he says i can't remember who told me that i can't the source i just don't know i heard a little foggy i hear a little bird i'm not sure like holy every time i talk to somebody they're asking me about it and so i tell them the facts and then they go well this could have happened he come he just says i heard a rumor and then just goes i don't know where i

heard it in the last three days it could have been anybody that's bananas you don't live in a town where there's enough people to not remember who the fuck told you it's not like i've talked to 45 000 people in the last three days i don't remember which one. You could have talked to everyone in the whole fucking area, and you still should remember which one of them told you that your wife's dead by a river in Oklahoma. Are you a telemarketer by chance that you talk to this many people? Maybe he is. A fellow on the phone from Wyoming told me a story. So now it's at this point, the police learned that d is not dead in oklahoma

she is in fact in mississippi oh and has been in mississippi and that she had taken money and a vehicle from bob for the trip and also that bob wired her money to return so why would he hear a rumor that she's dead he's feeding her money if he's giving her money and telling her where that she could go and where she's going to be? So how to get there? I think that's called lying. I believe that's I think terribly. The technical term is lying to this like a fucking murderous asshole. The easiest way to bust like lying.

We can see you're buying financial. I think she's dead. So, yeah. Why are you wiring money to mississippi while your wife's missing i was sending her money for her funeral she asked for it and said she might be dead maybe so d pops back up at the house on june 29th the same day that the he had a rumor that she was dead there she is i guess she's not dead hey is your mom behind you you would not believe the rumors i've been hearing. So many rumors about you.

People never stop talking about you. It's crazy. So within a month of this disappearance, she disappeared on the 15th. By the time she gets back on the 29th, within a few days, she now lives in the house with Bob. She's no longer in the trailer. She now lives in the ranch house with Bob.'s no longer in the trailer she now lives in the ranch house with bob got it just moved right in there now this they can't find her there's no evidence of anything as far as they know she's disappeared and nobody knows shit so there's no arrests are

made no nothing happens uh time goes by it's november 2007 so many blow jobs since then oh god jesus gross disgusting the horrors that are going on you thought rulo was gross this is almost gross uh so uh the property on november is searched again yeah uh the whole 240 acres i don't fuck you even search that uh it's searched for spent shell cas casings outside the home to see if maybe there was shooting out there. Maybe somebody was shot. Something. They're just trying to find something. Hey, everybody. Just going to take a quick

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and he starts getting super pissed off. Now, imagine this old farmer in his overalls ranting and raving around his farm, saying, that's it, you people are incompetent, you don't know what you're doing. Then he tells quote i'm gonna have to solve polly's case myself that's all that can happen okay you guys are off the case y'all are fired forget it he's firing them you can't do that you if there's police investing especially if you're

kind of a suspect you can't just say i'll do it myself i mean tell oj y'all relax yeah and they didn't they weren't like oh you got this cool that's all right yeah we got a lot of other shit to do it's a big city la is big there's a lot of other stuff you tell us how you get back to us like six seven eight months maybe tell us your progress and you know if you need anything let us know so uh he said that uh he's to have to solve them himself. Then he says a month ago, this is a month ago, before this was in October 2007, he says that two or three men, not sure which, by the way, terrible memory on Bob. This is the worst.

I don't know who told me. I don't know how many people came over. Not seven or eight. Seven or eight. I think it was seven. They might have been eight. Seven or eight, you'd be like, I think it was seven. They might have been eight. Two or three, you know whether it was two or three. I've never not remembered if there was two or three people present, something that happened a fucking month ago.

Especially something of significance like this. This isn't like just nothing. Like, oh, I can't remember if it was two or three Mormons that came to my door that day. Because I just slammed the door in their face, told them to fuck off. I told them, you know, good luck with getting your own planet. And I slammed the fucking door. This is different.

These people, he said, not sure. But two or three men came to sell him back one of his own stolen guns. You wouldn't know. Didn't know. I mean, you'd know if it was two or three. And you should even have documented it by, I don't know, immediately calling the police. Right. Hey, those guys that broke into my house, two or three of them, I'm not sure, maybe took my wife.

They may have just come back to sell me a gun that is my own. And also sought, he said they sought reward money for information regarding Polly's disappearance. They said, we know where she is if you tell us. But he then backed them down. He told them to get the hell out of here by pulling a straight razor and putting it to one of their throats while holding a gun on one of the other ones. So now he's turned into some sort of action hero. some sort of action hero now he grabs a guy with a straight razor around the throat while pulling a gun out with the other hand holding the the other one or two maybe at bay how many did you hold at bay because you have to know that well you had a razor on one how many other did you

have to point the gun back and forth or did you hold it in one place bob i don't know you didn't survey the land to know whether or not you could take them like you had a straight razor and a gun and you know sometimes instinct and training just takes over i did tell you i was in the navy right so you know how that wasn't the gun that made him back them down it was the the the black or what is the embezzlement what's the word i'm looking for extortion extortion there you go yeah extortion attempt at polly's information that would be the one and now all of this has happened did he call the police nope nope he just said once they came the next month he's like oh i forgot to tell y'all

a couple or three a couple or a few i'm not sure there were some men how two or three is there a term for that there there was plural men then he said this is fucking amazing yeah then he tells him so i backed him down so you fuck you with the poly and i got a razor but then he tells the cops so i bought the gun back what they're like but you had a razor and a gun on the guy why didn't you just take the gun back and if they had guns why were they afraid of you with a razor and a gun? We're all very confused. But he said it. But fair is fair.

They stole it fair and square. He didn't say this, I'm sure. But they stole it fair and square. I bought it back fair and square. Deal's a deal. He then said he bought his own gun back at gunpoint and was informed by these gentlemen, doesn't know which one, obviously, told him this, that Polly's recliner had been dumped in Russellville. so here's this

not going to say shit about where your wife is but if you want her chair it's over the it's yonder counting money it's over yonder in russellville um so the cops are just fucking shaking their heads in disbelief how do you not just cuff this guy? I'm not sure how you did it, but we're taking you in. I don't know what happened, but this is fucking ridiculous. Listen, your story is fucking stupid. This is the worst story we've ever had. Literally the worst. We've had serial killers in here.

We've killed 100 people that have had a more cohesive and coherent story than you have right now. What a piece of shit your story is. He kept changing the facts of the story too over the course of it he go no it was two it was two men and then five minutes later he's like so all three of them are standing there they're like you just said you're positive it's two he's like i think it was three he doesn't know they said big fish story now they said how much did you pay for your stolen gun what would a man pay for his own weapon back and he said i don't remember i just threw a handful of change i just said hair told him take it they said all right what all right what the fuck is going on with this fucking bob guy this is amazing i if i this

is why it would also be hard to be a cop how do you not beat this man with your nightstick how do you not how do you not tase him until he tells you the truth i'm just the closest odd bitch on top of the head that's bullshit every time you fucking lie bob you're getting one on the fucking head i know this is all against the constitution this is everyone sees this right does anyone object to knocking this guy on the fucking head what i think if you put him on pay-per-view or just a screen where everyone in the country could see that, nobody wouldn't say hit him on the fucking head. He's lying. He killed his wife. Hit him on the fucking head. Jesus Christ.

Oh, my God. Jesus Christ. Unbelievable. This is ridiculous. So he said he doesn't know how many paid. The detectives obviously think this doesn't make a drop of sense. They think he's out of his fucking mind. But what they do is they have nothing else to go on.

They try to follow up on this information. They're just wasting time. They're dumber than he is. I was going to say, maybe he should be on the case of solving it himself because they're not going to fucking solve it. How dumb is this? He's got to be driving back to his farm like, I can't believe that shit worked. I guess you have to check it out

so then you could say that it's a lie so then you can prove it's a lie. Because otherwise, if you make up something crazy enough, they're like, we got to check that out first. Maybe he doesn't know how to count. That's crazy. They got to just sit there on the chair and go, wouldn't you at least as a detective

just roll your chair over to the other guy next to you as soon as he leaves and be like shit's not adding up right this isn't right i'm not fucking crazy right that's not right right there's no fucking way this story's real it's not it's this is crazy right so uh july 2008 this goes all the way to july 2008 they go back to bob any new information heard any rumors bob anything at all anybody come visit you he retold the same horse shit uh from november told it to different detectives this time they just said you guys try this they sent new detectives they said they're like you try it i don't fucking know you i'm telling you he's gonna say this just trust me

it's gonna be crazy i feel like it was like on a dare like they're like bullshit no way no and they're like dude go to the farm i'm telling you and they're like all right give it a go fuck it let's see what he says this time so they go out and there so he repeats the same shit and they're like all right well at least it's consistent and then he comes up with another detail oh my god he's like by the way there was two white guys in a car uh who drove to the house looking for reward money now it's only two white guys in a car who drove to the house looking for reward money. Now it's only two white guys. That's it now. I remembered now. It was two white guys, and they were in a car.

I got the count. See, here's how I remember. There are two seats in the front of a car, and they were occupying both of them. That's how I know. That's how I knew. There's at least two. They seemed white based on the area, or they might have been Asian. I'm not positive. It was a Buick the area, or they might have been Asian.

I'm not positive. It was a Buick Riviera, so I knew it was white people. Yeah, that's true. I knew it was white. There was nobody in the back seat, so two, right? That's how it adds up to me. Unless was one lapping it? Is one?

No? Fuck. Two. I'm going to go with two. Two. We're going to go with two. That's my answer. No, that's it right there pencil it in final answer final answer so months go by again nothing happens it's a cold case now it's just a dead case with a

bunch of horseshit information no it's fucking not it doesn't seem cold to me yes but to them it's hot as fuck is what it is people it's cold they haven't figured it out it's as hot as fuck is what it is. To these people, it's cold. They haven't figured it out yet. It's as hot as the stepdad fucking his stepdaughter. Ooh, hot. So missing, while she's missing, the police describe the DeVore family members as uncooperative at best in the investigation. They seem that it seemed that only the residents around that knew her and law enforcement, the only people who seem to give a shit about her disappearance, because they're still neighbors going, what happened with Pauline? Anybody ever find her or anything like that? He said, other than that, there wasn't anybody. Nobody was calling.

He said, normally, in this type of case, there's families calling you all the time going, what's the progress on my relative? Did you find anything, a clue, anything you could tell me? said nobody called said where's my mom where's my wife not even the sons in texas nobody was calling i'm sure nobody here was oh none of these people but bob's not calling going hey where's my wife you find her yet you find those three guys anything nobody called they're just like everybody's i guess she's gone. Fuck it. So it's insane here. So they have nothing. It's cold, dead cold, because they're idiots. Early 2009, something strange happens.

Completely unrelated to this. 100%. 100%. Monica Bautista. Remember her? The meth dealer. The Methi Dolores' meth friend. Unbelievable cuck.

She's arrested. Uh-oh. On other charges, on drug charges. Oh, and she does not want to go to jail. Completely separate from all this. Yeah, that's the thing about meth dealers and people on meth. There's a reason why the mafia for a long time didn't want people, didn't want the people selling drugs because when they got caught in the 50s, they passed huge mandatory sentences

where if you got caught trafficking heroin, you went to jail for 75 years, which makes you want to rat on people so you don't go to fucking jail. That's what ends up happening. That's why they didn't want it. That's why it's bad to plot things with meth dealers. And if you are going to sell drugs, don't do them because it makes you fucking stupid. That's especially meth here. So she decides she ends up making a deal and we'll find out what ends up happening but she becomes a state's witness in exchange for complete not only immunity in her separate

charges but complete immunity in the uh everything in the pauline devore case because she's gonna need it yeah because she's got some responsible for some shit oh boy uh she tells police here this is early 2009 that she helped Dolores plan this murder. Yeah. She basically said that they were talking over and over again about Dolores is a problem, Dolores is a problem, and finally one of these, or not Dolores, Pauline's a problem, Pauline's a problem. And finally, Dolores said one of these days, she said, I got to do something about this.

And Monica said, what are you going to do? And she said, we're going to kill her. That's what we're going to do. We have to finish this chimichanga. But first, let me hit this meth pipe. Right. And you cook that, and I got a meth pipe going. I got a meth pipe going like it's, like I got a roast in the oven.

Right. Come on, everybody. I got a meth pipe cooking. She's got it all cherried up. Let's go. Shows you how much meth I've done in my life. None. Meth pipe going. So, going so uh it's not so

much as an incense jane it's not the same no not at all it's not like lighting a joint no i got this joint roasting anybody wants them so she tells the police here she helped her plan the murder that monica was the one that lured pauline to this location on the farm and uh what ended up happening is uh uh uh dolores killed pauline and we'll find out how in a second and then burned her body yeah afterwards okay uh bautista now full immunity on this she helped she lured and murdered an older a 70 year old lady right and fine she's done uh so she also tells police that dolores approached her about a week prior to uh pauline disappearing asked her for help in killing her mother the conversation we just had yeah which normally that's a conversation where i go i look at my

watch and i'm like i got a lot of places to be so we're good with the meth deal now we're done here so that's gone chimichangas are all those chimichangas all eaten up i'm gonna get the fuck out of here then i gotta run take it easy there i'll have tamales next week so uh she asked for help in killing her uh this monica said that uh on june 14th they lured her to a secluded spot on the farm lord her said there was something out there an animal and she wasn't specific on it and then egert uh dolores killed her uh said that she hit her mother in the head with a tire iron jesus you know she maybe might have heard a rumor she got hit in the head and then shot her three times my christ also her rumor she got shot he can't control himself this is what happened and

he knew that so he's just like i'm just dropping dropping that's what i heard i don't know i heard it in between slurps on my penis yeah and basically you know it's hard to hear when that's going on so uh thank you for the sound effects so then so hit her in the head with a tire iron and then shot her yeah uh and then later uh and then burned her and they said yeah she said that they hit her in the head with a tire iron shot her yeah uh and then later uh and then burned her and they said yeah she said that they hit her in the head with a tire iron shot her drug her out there had to try to burn her several times you don't burn very well are you flammable jay that's not very i mean if you keep doing it eventually yeah but uh it's hard you gotta dry me out first it's very difficult if i keep drinking

this bullet i'll be be flammable eventually. This is what I mean. How many times have we had that where people try to burn bodies on this show and they're like, I just didn't work. I got to keep trying. So he said they also, they returned back and forth to remove like personal items of hers that they were like, shit, she had like things on her that, you know, can identify her and whatever.

So they took that shit and threw it into the river. Off of a fucking charred body. They said they took it. They took these things, put them into a cup and drove to a bridge where they threw the cup with the items into the water. Well, that sort of thing. They gathered up anything that could be considered evidence. They said they then took teeth and bone fragments. Oh, my God. And scattered them throughout the entire hundreds of acres of ranch here. considered evidence uh they said they then took teeth and bone fragments oh my god and scattered

them throughout the entire hundreds of acres of ranch here uh the monica said that uh dolores asked her like i said about a week before and they came up with this whole plot so they're like okay well that's a pretty good tale you've told us but how do we know that's true yeah how do we know well how about this how about we wire you up yeah now it's turning into a fucking mob thing here uh so they wire her up never mind i won't even do a wire reference it's too easy so they they put the recording device on monica monica meets with d where at a fucking walmart parking lot where else would you meet for nefarious gatherings in arkansas at least it wasn't one of the six fucking cemeteries that's true meet me at one of them so they meet at the walmart parking lot

confusing see if she said meet me at some which one we only got one walmart i'll see you at the one walmart it's over in summers i get it's not here but so so they meet at the Walmart parking lot on April 13th, 2009. Dee is driving Polly's car, by the way. Wow. Yeah, she's driving her car, which is funny. She had a Cadillac that Dee has now taken over, taken over her house, her husband, her car, her farm, all her shit. They have a conversation.

Dee encourages Monica at this point because Monica's like, oh, you know, the cops have been asking me questions and whatever. encourages monica at this point because monica's like oh you know the cops have been asking me questions and whatever so d in this recorded conversation is encouraging monica monica to stick to their story yeah stick to the story he said also uh seek out bob bob will hire you a private attorney uh in case if they're messing with you that way they'll keep you away bob has money now uh don't worry that law enforcement might find anything. She said that D specifically says we took her ring off. Oh, not don't worry about that. They won't find that.

No one knew. No one knew that they went to the bridge and threw that shit off. She said, quote, not even my dad knew. In other words, not even Bob knows about that part. Not even daddy. That's creepy. He said also, don't worry, because it's been two years, and the river has risen many feet, and it's, you know.

It's washed away by now. Don't give in to the cops, basically. Amazing she said all this shit. Don't crack. She says all this on tape, so then they, you know, can the tape over. Monica directs law enforcement to the dumping area, where they found burnt dental crowns and bone fragments that they matched up the crowns because they were two years later. They're still there. They're still there.

And they still matched them up to her. And they found out it was her. So those are they compare those crowns. They were the big deal. They also find charred bones. They find all just bits and pieces of charred remains that have been scattered all around the property here in yahtzee though yeah no i would say at least it's there uh also uh police had at least four people who were uh recording phone calls and conversations with

dolores at this point uh she told uh like she said she talked to monica about all that like we said uh they said their police were still looking for evidence. They said, quote, we've had a backhoe running 12 hours a day for four days at one point because it's such a huge property. What they find, too, when they search the house here, research it again, in Dee's bedroom, they find a greeting card from Bob to Dee. Oh, boy. And it says, quote, I'll never tire of playing with fire as long as that fire is you uh signed i love you bob what a poet and when you open the card it plays ring of fire oh what an asshole what a poet and then he's got a fucking yeah fucking johnny he's got one of those

in there there's nothing wrong with johnny cash we don't put it in a goddamn greeting card but you don't steal his fucking that off. We get the fire. So they get the official testimony for Monica. They get it all on, you know, well recorded that she wore the wire and all that stuff. Meanwhile, you got a rhyme in there. That's impressive. That's not bad. I'll never tire playing with fire.

Playing with fire. As long as that fire is huge. Jesus, I feel like that's a lyric. What a country song. It's probably a lyric of a country song from the 40s or something. You can probably Google it and it's fucking somebody awful. Yeah. Also, on this wire, Dolores tells Monica that she's ready to flee the area.

Yeah. And all that sort of thing. She says, quote, she's not going to spend the rest of her life in jail. Oh, boy. So that ain't happening. April 2009, she is charged with murder and taken into custody. Oh, you were about to spend the rest of her life in jail. So that ain't happening. April 2009, she is charged with murder and taken into custody. Oh, you're about to spend the rest of your life. You're about to have a problem.

It happens in a weird way. They're about to arrest her anyway, and they receive a call from a friend of hers who's concerned that she possibly overdosed on pills in a suicide attempt. Detectives found her on the farm in her mother's home there. She had taken an undetermined amount of pills, and she was taken by ambulance to the hospital where she was arrested. By the way, you failed, and you're under arrest for murder. So I bet you really wish you pulled it off now, don't you? You know how you really want to get out of that bed anyway?

Because it's the worst bed known to man. Now you're handcuffed to it. Oh, you're handcuffed to it. And it's capital murder capital murder by the way because you stole a bunch of shit in the process so now she's up for the she is death penalty eligible here uh yeah they they uh she's not allowed to be released from the hospital obviously she's booked into jail uh she is charged with murder like we said uh she's being held without bond uh they they said that if they didn't get there in time quote if we hadn't intervened she would have died about the pill overdose i guess it was a serious attempt on her life it wasn't she was she was trying to end this

shit because she knew it was over with here uh so they said that the investigation's continuing at this point they said that bob is not a suspect. The fuck is Bob not a suspect? Bob is the suspect. He lied to cover it all up. He's at least in something. At minimum, an accomplice. I feel like, yeah, at minimum. That's really hard. So they said that it was, the prosecutor said it was too soon to decide whether to seek the death penalty.

They said they didn't know what it was about. They thought that possibly they had arguments over money and that credit card thing. The police officer said that the money was the problem. I think that's what the rub was initially. So that's a weird way of putting it. I think it was a little worse than that, officer, and stopped talking like a guy from the 40s.

They also say, yeah, that's what the rub was, see? They said that probably something to do with finances. They said they were very... This is the other thing. The prosecutor commended the sheriff's office for not letting up on the investigation for two years. Quote, they did a tremendous job. No, they know they didn't. They should have fucking. This is maybe the worst investigation ever.

Any detective worth half a shit gets Bob into a room telling fucking half truths and contradictions and not having answers for where he heard shit. He's going to make Bob fucking crumble. He's going to make Bob cry in his fucking chair. Anyone that's worth half a shit. They should have brought in somebody from somewhere where there's murders to talk to this fucking guy. Fill that chest pouch with fucking tears. That's with tears.

Get your puffs out of your chest pouch and dry your little tears and it's not there. Get your puffs out of your chest pouch and dry your little tears and your snot there. So, yeah, they also thank the Arkansas Archaeological Survey for helping identify the remains on the scene. Well done. April 22nd, 2009. Bob gives another statement to investigators, which he was asked about Monica and whether he had contact with her. He said, this is amazing. He said, this is amazing, Bob expressed concern that he would be accused of burying something, that he had a machine that could dig 30 feet deep, and that he had been digging and burying things for 40 years.

So he's concerned he's going to be accused of burying something because he has the capability of burying shit. This is what he tells the cops. He can't help but tell them what happened. He can't help it. He can't fucking help it. He has to try but tell them what happened. That's what it is. He can't help it. He can't fucking help it. He has to try to tell them. I got this theory that y'all are going to connect me to shit because I can dig 30 feet.

I mean, I can dig 30 feet holes and I might have dug a big hole on that day in the exam. I said too much again. I mean, I don't remember who told me that. Okay, go home then. Bye. So October 19, 2009, prosecutors say they will not seek the death penalty for Dolores. They said that a case was not appropriate for the death penalty. He said, quote, you don't seek the death penalty just for the sake of it, which I actually that's a reasonable way of looking at it.

That's good. There's a lot of people on death row for one fucking murder. Yeah, I think they're saying you don't seek the death penalty just for the white woman of it. I think is what they're saying in Arkansas. If we could translate from Arkansas to the rest of the country. You don't kill a white girl for nothing. Yeah, that's the thing. They've only killed two.

Arkansas only executed two women in 162 previous years. Wow. One was the first woman hanged in 1845. And what'd she do uh she uh her and her husband and their son uh were hanged for the murder of a jonathan selby a bachelor who lived near fatesville who was murdered for money he supposedly kept at his house a very rich eligible white bachelor they killed him that exactly and then the last woman executed by the state was christina marie riggs who wasiggs, who asked for the death penalty for drugging and suffocating her two children in 96. She was executed by lethal injection in May of 2000.

Because you can't kill kids. I want to say there was an Oz character based on her. I want to say that one lady wanted to die and wanted to be hung and then change her mind. I want to say that you've never watched a fucking show anyway uh so they uh yeah they're saying that uh the prosecutors feel there's plenty of evidence for conviction without a body uh she's up for automatic life term without parole if she's convicted of this capital murder yeah uh early 2010 d's jail cell is searched in a regular contraband search and they find two valentine's cards from bob uh one card was postmarked from bob to d on february 9th 2010 and it read quote valentine if

loving you is a crime and throw my happy ass in jail uh he's just what he he sits around and thinks he really does he's short and sweet he's a good card writer i gotta give him that credit for nothing else he's that the other card also from bob's uh bob was titled quote i love you when uh and then it says a booklet meant just for you it's one of those i love you when and there's a booklet it contained the following i love you when my hormones tell me that i'm in the mood oh that's one of the love you. That's so you wouldn't give that to your stepdaughter. It didn't mean something weird. Also, while she was in custody, Bob called the hundreds of times and visited her weekly. The woman who's on in jail for killing your wife.

And you're telling her I love you grossly when my hormones tell me I'm who says that's fucking disgusting that's creepy so august 16th 2010 the murder trial is about to start uh for her capital murder uh just when it's about to start she says never mind guilty plead guilty oh wow time out fuck this uh never mind pleads guilty to first degree murder uh Uh, she changed her plea there. Obviously she said she admits she shot her mother three times. That's what caused her death. She said she was still alive after getting hit in the head with the iron. Uh, she,

uh, uh, is, uh, she's, like I said, she's accused of all of that. Uh,

now, uh, uh, Bob is then arrested, uh, after that, uh, he is then arrested right after that and charged with hindering apprehension and tampering with evidence.

Nothing to do with murder. The sheriff said, quote, divorce staged a crime scene in his home to try to throw the investigation off. And he also said that Bob wasn't surprised when he was arrested and said, I was expecting this. There you go. So he knew that was coming. Yeah. He also said that uh that i'll read that card where i said hormones you see that because that's kind of great and i

spelled it whore w-h-o-r-e i expected that to come back and get me i knew it i knew it he said that uh that uh the police officer said that dolores and bob have been carrying on a sexual relationship for a couple years uh he said that again the theory here is the credit card pissed off uh her and the judge looks at her and says you ma'am yeah may fuck off yeah uh 30 years in prison she gets for that wow which is not that bad it's kind of a light deal you're gonna do 15 17 years or some shit or 20 depending on the state but still she's gonna be 60 younger than her mom was when she died uh so like i said bob's arrested for hindering apprehension or prosecution uh he uh

they said quote mr devore made statements to a witness for the state within days of the murder of his wife acknowledging his prior knowledge of the murder and cover-up of the crime after it was committed to aid dolores Eggert in avoiding arrest and prosecution. They said, they talked about the sexual relationship a little. The prosecutor, after all this, after she pleads guilty, said, quote, I'm really relieved that it's over. It was going to take a long time and it wasn't going to be easy. Basically, that was going to be a huge pain in the ass.

There's no body. There's just some fragments. And so Bob's trial bob goes to trial he took it to trial and he wore fucking overalls in court i'm not kidding i swear to christ i have a photograph of him like the home depot mascot sitting he's sitting in a fucking court of law next to two men in suits wearing fucking overalls dude he's got a white like a like a country dress shirt and a fucking pair of overalls on the judge had to go the judge had to ask him to remove the straw from his mouth can you remove that hay from your mouth please sir

that judge had to sit down looking up for his paper go are those fucking overalls are you wearing overall i just pictured the my cousin vinnie judge you're not allowed to wear that in my courtroom he's gonna go back he's gonna come back with a thrift store and buy a fucking dinner coat christ jesus christ bob testifies at trial of course he does like a fucking genius says that he knew d was leaving town sunday june 17th and he gave her 200 and uh he said he knew she was actually going to mississippi and that he did not recall he said he didn't recall law enforcement asking him where d was but he remembered telling them that he didn't uh didn't think she had run yeah so he's lying

bob said that uh d never told him that she was involved in Pauline's disappearance until after her arrest for murder. Said she didn't until just now, basically. Bob denied having any sexual sexual relationship with D. He claims that he bought the Ring of Fire card because he just liked Johnny Cash's song. He said the Valentine's card he sent to D was just his way of giving law enforcement, quote, something to talk about in their meetings. Really? Yeah. I like rumors.

I like to start them. I'm a trickster. That's what I am. I'm a trickster. What about the bullet holes in your living room, sir? Fucking ridiculous. A guy named Gene Partlow, which is also Chris from The Wire's last name, is a resident of Siloam Springs. is also Chris from The Wire's last name,

is a resident of Siloam Springs. He testified he was a friend of Dee's and that they did drugs together and that he sometimes worked with her because he's a painter. And I guess she does whatever kind of work. He said that Dee came to Mississippi to work with him when she disappeared. That's where she went.

He also testified that he walked into Dee's trailer one time and caught Dee and Bob, quote, hugging and kissing. Oh, boy. He explained that the kiss involved tongue, involved tongue, and was, quote, more than a father-daughter kiss. Yeah, there's tongue involved. I would say that's more than a father-daughter kiss. She had her hand on the front of his overalls. Now I'm picturing Jenna Maroney on the the fucking on the seesaw in vacation and the

first vacation goes yeah but daddy says i'm the best at it that's what i just picture and that is jenna maroney that fucking blew my mind disgusting i blew my mind i'm the best daddy says i'm the best at it so monica testifies too she says that she's d's meth dealer uh testified that d killed polly the whole deal uh says that uh then after she killed him they searched bob and polly's house for money and prescription drugs uh she denied they shot a gun inside the house they're saying that bob did that afterwards to stage the whole thing she said that uh d just hated her mother for reporting that credit card uh testified that bob was put to Polly's remains.

He was supposed to dig a hole and put Polly's remains in it with the tractor. She also says, Monica, she recalled Dee speaking to Bob on the telephone while they were driving away from Siloam Springs that night, and Dee was very upset during that conversation and that Dee and Bob met up at the casino that night. I killed mom. Yeah. To tell him about that. Monica said that they returned back on Sunday and that Dee told Bob she had to leave.

And Bob gave Dee money and a vehicle to drive. And also Monica threw in, I do think they were having an inappropriate sexual relationship. So let me throw that in there. That's so vile. So then Dee has to testify. Oh boy. She testifies about monica she testifies that monica brought polly that they both brought her to the dump that dump area that day yeah d tried to shoot her she says she then says monica hit her in the head and then d got another gun to shoot polly and then they worked together to burn the

body so that's a real meth team. Team meth right there. Dee said she called Bob to tell him the job was done. Although she said that that meant bush hogging, whatever the fuck that is, something she's supposed to do, that she completed at the ranch. She called him to say, I did my job at the ranch here. Dee said that Bob met her at the casino in Oklahoma for dinner that night. Like we said, she agreed that she left town with money. That's all not whatever. She said that she was going to see.

She said she did a painting job. The same thing. She told investigators earlier that she and Bob did have a sexual relationship, but then a trial denied it, even though they said it's on record that you said it to investigators. She said, I don't know what you're talking about. I didn't do that. I don't know who told me that rumor. I don't remember what you're talking about i didn't do that i don't know who told me that rumor that i'm having sex with somebody so uh i was having sex with two or three men i'm not positive so the jury uh has to you know figure this out basically

they have to figure out whether uh bob provided or aided d with a weapon money or transportation or disguise or any other means of avoiding apprehension or avoiding discovery, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The jury finds him, not shockingly, guilty in 2011. He's found guilty of hindering prosecution or apprehension. February 25th, 2011 is his sentencing. The judge gives him a you, sir. Let's give him a you, sir, because he's the biggest idiot we've had in a while. You, sir, may fuck off he gets 10 years in jail wow for hindering prosecution so that's a third of the time actual murder actual fucking vicious murder i feel like she got light or you

got something and a fifteen thousand dollar fine for good measure there uh bob appeals on all this uh he appeals saying the evidence wasn't strong enough. You know, the whole deal. Evidence wasn't strong enough. This was a problem. This was whatever. They look at all his appeals and they say, go fuck yourself. What are you talking about?

Own it, sir. The details he goes into are various rumors and inconsistencies about what might have happened. That he says the police didn't follow up on this crazy story he told him and so that he was trying to help them not hinder them uh they said appeal denied dickhead fuck off here uh and then june 13th 2014 uh bob is still in prison and he died oh damn he died in his overalls his prison issue overalls uh after a battle with cancer okay so bob's fucking dead yeah uh she's still in prison her four years he was diagnosed with cancer and then died of it then died of it that's awesome done and done that's fast she should be out in 2030 that's her estimated release date that would be serving 20 if she makes it that and if she makes it that

far she's only going to be 60 yeah and uh she'll get out and, I don't know, maybe she'll calm down on the meth by then. And Monica Bautista is free to do whatever the fuck she wants. That's a crazy-ass story. Where the fuck were you on this one, Nancy Grace? No shit. This is right up your alley, you white trash woman. This is an insane fucking story.

How crazy is this story? I never knew this existed. They might be related to her. That might be why she didn't cover it. It didn't cover it i can't talk about my grandfather you know how it is yeah it's it hurts me inside so that is cincinnati arkansas and that is the crazy case of the devors uh delores egert all these people uh poor pauline who had you know nothing to do with anything and poor pauline uh devore is dead worked her ass off her whole life poor tough woman and she made the most of herself and was killed by her own fucking daughter very sad if you like that story and aren't too too sad please go to itunes and give us five stars we'll take it

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Devil cheese. Devil cheese. The cheese of the devil. Cheese of the devil. I think that's what it is. Is that? I hope that's somebody's real name. That's what I hope.

Is that El Pedro? Is that what you're singing to me? I don't know what I'm doing. Is that an American Dad reference by any chance? It might be. In the cartoon? A Raging Chipmunk? Is that singing to me i don't know what i'm doing that's uh is that an american dad reference by any chance it might be in the cartoon a raging chipmunk is that another one i don't know but sarah walks around the house singing that song all the time so really con queso el diablo el con queso or con queso el diablo don't look at me go ahead i'm not here all the time take jonas asus or jonas i'm not here all the time. Sarah Wetmore, Rachel, with no last name. Julia Wheeling, Sarah Streeter.

No, Sean Streeter. I don't know why, because you said Sarah, you dick. Glad of the name. Sean Streeter. She does live here. Brinchito, Brinchito39. That's Deontay Brinson. So I don't know why he made me say all that with a number.

It's all right. Thanks, Deontay. Because he paid you to. That's why. Thank you. Tim Love, Annette Strawns, Margaret Schwartz. And I bet you he is black. Or Spanish, if possible.

Maybe. Probably black. He's black. He's as black as Craig Ventura is white. I'm sorry. That's just the way it is. Dan Slessor, Valerie Guzman, Naima Shea, Andrew Batters, Brandon Warren, who has a podcast. I think it's the Midwest Swing.

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