Small Town Murder - #77 - Tortured To Elvis in Gretna, Louisiana

Episode Date: July 18, 2018

This week, in Gretna, Louisiana, a fun night of drinking somehow leads to an understandable argument with the babysitter, that inexplicably turns incredibly violent. It's a nasty, callous murder, and the only thing crazier is what happens when the legal system gets involved. This one is an extra helping of crazy... You've been warned!! Along the way, we find out what music brings older white people to a festival, how two strangers can instantly form a symphony of violence, and just how little intelligence a person can possess & still be put to death!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday!!Please subscribe, rate, and review!Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!Head to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder!For merchandise: crimeinsports.threadless.comCheck out James and Jimmie's other show: Crime in Sports Follow us on social media!Facebook: facebook.com/smalltownpodInstagram: instagram.com/smalltownmurderTwitter: twitter.com/MurderSmall Contact the show: [e-mail] See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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And that's exactly what we're going to do right now. Let's do it. Let's go on a trip, Jimmy. I can't wait. What do you say? Let's pack up the bags. We were in Arkansas last week. It was very, it was cloudy with a chance of grasshoppers.

It was cloudy with a chance of overalls last week. It was overalls with a chance of grasshoppers. That's what it was. Overalls with a chance of overalls last week. It was overalls with a chance of grasshoppers. That's what it was. Overalls with a chance of meth teeth just dangling, falling to the ground like raindrops. Lots of things there. It was definitely coming, but

this week we're going to Louisiana. So we were in northwestern Arkansas, now we're going to southeastern Louisiana. It's a quick trip. Kind of being in the south kind of twice and back to back we'll be northwestern Arkansas. Now we're going to southeastern Louisiana. It's a quick trip. Kind of being in the south, you know, kind of twice and back to back. We'll be in the northeast next week. So there you go. But this week we're down here. But this is it.

You can do south episodes and then do a Louisiana because, yes, Louisiana is the south. It is absolutely the south. But it's also its own planet. Yeah. Planet Louisiana. I like to call it. It is. It's absolutely its own planet. Yeah. Planet Louisiana, I like to call it. It is. It's absolutely its own planet.

It's like Austin is in Texas where you're like, this isn't part of Texas. Weird. I see the flag everywhere because it's the capital. But but everything's so clean. But I haven't seen one gay guy get beat up for no reason yet so far today. So this is not reminding me of Texas. It's very strange because they're everywhere in chat. That's what I mean.

So it's it's very, very, very strange. Louisiana is the same way. It's its own planet. It's weird. It's very strange. And that's bizarre because they're everywhere in chaps. That's what I mean. So it's very strange. Louisiana is the same way. It's its own planet. It's weird. It's part French. It's got Creole influence. It's got all sorts of different influences. Voodoo. It's just a weird place. It's very, very strange. But let's go there. We're going to Gretna, Louisiana. Have you ever heard

of Gretna? No. Gretna kind of got a little bit of infamy a few years ago. We'll talk about why in a second here. It's in the southeastern part of the state it's just above new orleans it is just outside of new orleans this is like edgewood kentucky was to cincinnati where it's just on the other side of a river yeah but a completely different world louisiana might be the only state where you can think about the people that live there and see poor, broke white people, and then just as quickly be like, also super poor black people. Also, I just see houses on blocks a lot of times. That's what I see.

Now, a lot of people love Louisiana. There's also a lot of amazing things there. There's some cool shit in Louisiana. It's a cool spot, but it's also, like I said, it's its own planet. It's a very, very strange place. And like I said, the mississippi river is the difference between new orleans and gretna and it might as well be a chasm of lava basically i mean it's it's fucked up like like new orleans but it's not it's really that that's a you wouldn't

imagine a river would make that much of a difference but it's the mighty mississippi i guess there you go it's mighty as fuck it. It's mighty as fuck. This is about 15 minutes to New Orleans here. You know, you're faster if you fly over the bridge. About an hour and a half to Biloxi, Mississippi, over to the east, and about an hour and a half to Baton Rouge, the state capital. So, you know, nowhere exciting there. But it's right there. I mean, if you're a kid growing up here, you can get into New Orleans very quickly and see lots of boobs and drink, I'm sure. Tons of tits. Sure, underage drink or whatever you do in Mardi Gras. here you can get into new orleans very quickly and see lots of boobs and drink i'm sure sure

underage drink or whatever you're doing mardi gras uh it's in jefferson parish which is the parishes or like a county down there we explained it in the last louisiana it's fucking bizarre it's weird some of these places and they all have like uh new jersey set up in a weird way with the towns uh the way they are they're all like boroughs. It's hard to explain. But it's all parishes down in Louisiana, not so much counties. This town is at the tip of a tiny panhandle off the eastern part of the county. So it's happening. It's happening. It's kicking off.

This is panhandle behavior episode where you're like you panhandle motherfucker when this shit goes on all right zip code seven zero zero five three area code five zero four beware calls from the gretna area uh 4.47 square miles here four of which are on land. The rest is in river here. They have a slogan, actually. Fantastic. In Gretna, it's not a very good slogan.

It's not very creative. We flush it all into the Mississippi. It is, We Want You, in capital letters, You in Gretna. Ah, that's stolen. That's stolen from the United States government. Uncle Sam will be very pissed. I would say so. Also, this is more of a non-official motto.

Not so fast, black people. That's the other one. We'll find out what that means in a moment. We want you. You know who we mean. That's the addendum on there. Not so fast, black people. We'll find out what happened here.

History. Gretna was settled back in 1836. It was originally Mechanics Ham was the name of it, which is a... Get the fuck out of here. Mechanics Ham. It's not. It's not. That's a terrible...

There's a lot of Mechanics Bergs back east. Try to British it up. Mechanics Ham. Mechanics Ham. It is not fancy. We're going to Mechanics Ham to mire in the muck in the bayou. Hmm, yes. Oh, we're going to have sex with our cousins.

Yes, indeed. Wonderful. We're going to fornicate with all our kin. Oh, beautiful. All right, then. So this was kind of a station on the Mississippi River here. They had railroads that went in and out and a ferry that went across the river to new orleans southern uh yes a wealthy landowner named nicholas noel destra destrahan hired a surveyor to divide this big swath of land into uh i was right on the river there

and uh he originally it was a symmetrical plan that had two block wide like a two block wide settlement with a you know a few streets in it. And he laid it out, basically became known to a lot of German immigrants to become known to have a lot of German immigrants there who ended up kind of becoming the. It's weird down there. That's what I mean. You wouldn't expect a big German, a German Hamburg in southern Louisiana. There's Italians and French down there. Germans?

Interesting. Well, the Italians weren't there yet. Anyway, so the community here was kind of established. They had a steam, the St. Mary's Market Steam Ferry Company had started going across the river there. They were laid. They did the same kind of thing here with the streets. They laid them out. Everywhere they would, every new two blocks,

they'd lay them out just kind of boring and kind of in squares. They didn't really have any, no art to it, really. Nothing weird, which you'd think in Louisiana, they'd have a little bit of curveball to it. It's the French. They're so artsy. The spice Zatarain's there. Yeah.

The Zatarain's who makes rice and spices and shit. They're in that town. They're in that, founded here in 1889. How about that? So Zatarain's comes from here. The jambalaya shit. Yeah, the rice in a bag that, or box or whatever the fuck it comes in. It's still better than what I could make, Cajun rice probably.

I don't know how to do that. It's a step above rice-a-roni. Oh, it's, yeah, yeah. It's, you than what I could make, Cajun rice, probably. I don't know how to do that. It's a step above Rice-A-Roni. Oh, yeah, yeah. You know what it is? It's Rice-A-Roni, but it makes people feel like they've... Because Rice-A-Roni... It's kind of something. Well, Rice-A-Roni's kind of just a...

It's kind of plain in the middle. It's a vanilla thing. This is like... Ooh, this is... I'm being adventurous. All the way through. Zadder. I can barely pronounce that.

There's a Z in there. That's way different. I don't know. It's a black guy bugling on the front. This shit is amazing. Uncle Ben's just a black guy. It looks like he just got done reading, and he said, excuse me, and they snapped his photo, and they put it on a rice box. Zadaran's like Uncle Ben partying.

That's what I mean. He's got a trumpet. He's like fucking Uncle Ben's. He's having a great time. It's Uncle Ben's after a couple drinks. It's Louis Armstrong's rice, is what it is. So you got to have that. Much better.

I like it. The town was incorporated in 1913 and absorbed another section of another town called McDonough, which was also in Jefferson Parish. They opened the Mississippi River Bridge in 1958. Really? It took until 1958 to get a bridge across to new orleans and that was that blew everything up once there's a bridge to new orleans uh they had the west bank expressway and then everything changed here uh the expressway went through some residential parts of the city

which i'm sure made those houses then shitty anything right by the expressway and uh that sort of thing it took out took out a lot of neighborhoods too when they put this in but also uh population blew up at that point too because just ate a town you could just you didn't have to ferry to new orleans if you worked there you could just go across there hurricane katrina in 2005 uh this is where uh gretna got a little famous here uh they got a lot of press coverage because uh i don't know if you remember the pictures and the videos of people trying to walk across a bridge yeah and being stopped by large lines of white people with shotguns saying nah mother not so fast black people you see where that motto comes in that was these people that were saying not so fast i heard you want us yeah

not you not you yeah you said you you want you and gretna does that include me shots fired over your head i guess not uh so yeah these are not sandbag bullets no uh this shit was crazy though that 60 minutes uh we're talking to people who are on this bridge here and uh this one uh person says there was no electricity or plumbing so after four days it just became i'm sure a danger uh to not just the hotel but for us we needed to get out we have here in a hotel for four days no plumbing and electricity that's four days four days you're shitting in the bathtub at that point yeah you can't hold it for four fucking days they might as well call it a hurricane bathtub full of shit. That's what that should be called. That's fucking horrible.

So they walked out and tried to leave these people. I guess 200 people from the hotel ended up stranded somewhere. They said, quote, a gentleman came out and identified himself as one of the commanders. And he said, I have a solution. I have buses waiting for you across the bridge. So these people are like, OK. So there was hundreds of other people who were walking into the river. And then he drove him directly into the river in a bus as he jumped out with a parachute.

He said, bye, suckers. Just heard splash. So he said they said so they all went to the bridge that leads to Gretna. And they at that point, shit got interesting. When they approached the police line, the cops told them there were no buses and then shot a shotgun in the air. Oh, my God. They were like, OK. This one lady said, quote, I was scared at first.

I've heard shots before because I live in an inner city area, but not a shotgun. They're not right next to my fucking head. Not right there. And I was concerned about my safety and those who were with me. Well, that's an understatement, I would say. That's a very polite thing to say for somebody who was just assaulted with a shotgun. I shit my pants. Oh, my God.

This shit was fucking crazy. He's trying to kill me. Did you see? He's fucking shooting over our heads. This is insanity. So they said that she saw other officers fire their guns at some point. She said we were close enough to them. They'd racked their shotguns and let off a warning shot.

We were this far away. She said as far away from you and I, and they were firing off gunshots. They said they tried to get an explanation. They said, quote, the only two explanations we ever received were, we're not going to have any super domes over here. This is not New Orleans. Oh, Jesus. To me, that was code language or code words for,

we're not having black people come into our neighborhood. Right. right yeah i'd say we're not going to have any super domes over here means that probably you're fucked yeah so yeah at that point you're pretty fucked i don't know where you go at that point the end i mean that's just a tough thing here i mean i don't know what i'm sure not all the people in the town were up for this and whatever the fuck it's just you know at that point you find a cardboard sign and start writing help and aiming it at fucking helicopters. Because, yeah, that's unbelievable. They had a set up a makeshift camp in the middle of the highway there. I remember that.

And they said that the Gretna police vehicle drove up and he said they said, quote, he sped down in his cruiser and over the loudspeaker. He just continually said, get the fuck off the bridge. OK, that's your hero that seems interesting uh yeah they said quote why does the i why why do you think that you were turned away i think because the group was 95 african-american she says i probably yes this place is known as the arrest capital of the united states right it's it's it's it's insane the statistics here. I won't get into the actual stats, but it's nuts. The arrest rates here are like five, ten times higher than anywhere else in the country. It's nuts.

I don't know if it's overzealous policing or if it's people are fucking up and not very good at getting away with it. I don't know what it is, but they're arresting a shitload of people here. Portions of the movie Monsters Ball were filmed in Gretna, which is interesting. Where Billy Bob fucked Hallie? Whatever's terrible that happened there, I would say is from there. That was pretty impressive. So there's a few people from here, a couple of football players here. Ike Taylor, Eddie Lacy are both from here.

Really? Yeah, they're both from here. Mel Ott football players here ike taylor eddie lacy are both from here yeah they're both from here uh melott baseball hall of famer uh melott lash larue the western star of the uh 40s i guess it was 30s 40s that sort of thing here so uh yeah there you go uh those are the people from here uh population in this town uh in 1920 they had 7100 people by 1970 they had 24 000 people booming and then nowadays they have 17 880 people yeah so it's gone down and washed a few thousand it washes a few thousand you know it started going down before that the peak of here the peak of this place was 1970 it's been declining in population since 1970 it's resurgent it's up 1.8 percent since 1990 so not much it's held steady here steamboats kind of went out of business it's there you go the steamboats went it went from 25,000 in 1970 to 17,000 in 1990 that's kind of an exodus there

that's pre-katrina yeah uh age here median age is about 36.2 so it's a year younger than normal a few more males than females which is kind of out of whack here, especially for a town with that high a population. There's just more. Also, too, you can work offshore and shit like that here, so that explains a little bit. Married population is about 40%, which is less than the 50% average, obviously. Widowed is a little more. Divorce rate's a little bit higher here. More single people than single, no children.

It's double here. Single with children, it's almost double also. So a lot of single people here. Go down there, party, pick somebody up. Race of this town, white people, 44% white in this town, 33% black. So it's pretty... That's my point. That's pretty mixed in the South there.

That's Louisiana. Yeah. 3.32% Asian. Yeah. So they'll be an Asian once in a while. No, definitely not here. 15.91% Hispanic, which is pretty much exactly on average here. So the race of the town kind of...

It's good. Yeah. It's a balance. There's a balance of people in this town. You wouldn't like it if you're looking for, say, Native Americans or about one percent. But that's still more than the average. That's a lot. That's more than normal for a place or average anyway.

About 54 percent of the people here are religious, which is a little bit higher than the average. It's 50 50. It's funny because it's the religion and the marriage rates are the same everywhere. Like, the average is about 50-50 married, about 50-50 religious. 5.9% Baptist here. 34.6% Catholic. Wow. Yeah, you're going to get a lot of that in the south.

That's true, yeah. That's not in the south. In New Orleans, in that area, you're going to get – yeah, it's Catholic down there. It's a different kind of a – Italians. Yeah, it's more of a European South than it is anywhere else. I don't think it's the black people that are the Catholics. Probably not.

That's going to make up some of your Baptists there. And you've got 3.1% Pentecostal. You betcha. That sort of thing there. 0.06% Jewish. So not a lot of that going on there. 0.07% Islam. So also there, not a lot. That's your brothers.

Yeah. 39% of the people in Gretna were Democrats in the last presidential election anyway. That's interesting. Yeah, and 58% Republican, which is odd for a town that's 33% black. Yeah. It's just funny. And 44%. You would think just

yeah you i don't know that seems uh i don't think the black people are voting a lot interesting yeah nothing else i'd like to talk to these people yeah what's going on here like this i'd like to do like some conversations i would like to do like one of those dateline like men on the street things where i just want to go in i don't know if it's dateline or the one of those old news magazine shows where i go around i go what the fuck is happening here tell me what happened what's going on with you people uh all of you damn it it's bizarre unemployment rate 6.1 percent here so it's higher than the national average uh household income is 31 4 000 34 158 dollars that's interesting which is about 20 000 less than the national average.

So a lot of times, most of the southern incomes are just lower for some reason. The cost of living is lower a lot, too. Closer to the coast you get, too, the higher the income gets for fishing and shit like that. No, that's true. Vacation and stuff. Well, there's an expensive part of this town we'll get to. It's one of these towns where there's a nice part and there's a shit part. Gotcha.

It's one of those. There's definitely some tracks, we'll get to it's one of these towns where it's uh there's a nice part and there's a shit part gotcha it's one of those there's definitely some uh tracks we'll say it's more about i think it's more about expressways and shit like that to cut through like we talked about uh more construction than normal about twice as many construction jobs as normal uh here uh that sort of shit but there's not uh not as many like uh health care jobs or education jobs or that sort of thing. Not a ton of that. Close enough to Baton Rouge or some shit in New Orleans? I guess so. Probably in New Orleans, I'm sure you could-

To get your healthcare over there. Hop over the bridge there. No problem. 12 minutes away or whatever it is. Cost of living, we say 100 is average, normal, regular par. 91 in Gretna on cost of living. Everything's pretty normal. Grocer care 95 uh housing is a 78 though that's a little low uh median home cost here is 145 900 which is lower right now they that's gone up they did like a a re a re a refresh on this whole thing. A re-Zillow? A refresh.

A re-Zestimate? A re-Zestimate here. Not on Zillow, though. But it used to be about $185 was the national average on a home cost here. Now it's $216. Is that right? So it's gone up that much in the last year, which is a shitload. $40,000?

Yeah, that's a little too much. Sorry. I think our assets are overvalued, let's just say. I'm not going to get into stocks and assets and shit, but you know my opinions. I got you. So, yeah. So, it's less, though, here. Like I said, $145,900.

It has a big kind of an empty, we'll say, mainly vacant part of the downtown that has brand-new riverfront condos with a view of New Orleans, and they're trying to make it fancy. They start at about $350,000, $400,000, and most of them are fucking empty. So yeah, it's kind of not a real affluent town, and they're trying to sell this affluent lifestyle there. And they're like, if I'm going to spend that much, I'll move to New Orleans.

I'll move to the city, actually. I swear that money will come back to me if i have to sell this shit not just look at it across a smelly river no thank you here so if we have convinced you that the only place for you to be is in gretna louisiana make sure there's not a hurricane and you're crossing a bridge get there another way uh maybe come in from the from you know the side there from the land side or something. Don't ask cops for help. We have for you the Gretna, Louisiana real estate report.

Your average two-bedroom apartment here goes for about $1,070, which seems very high considering the average cost of a house. It's a 73? That's out of whack. The average rental cost? They probably have some fancy rentals, probably, I would imagine. The rest are kind of houses. I'm not sure. Just in case you get the idea to get the fuck out of here in 12 months. Possibly, yeah.

We'll get the money we can get out of you now. Found a three-bedroom, two-bath, 1,350-square-foot little house here. It's not too bad. Little rundown, $145,000. I found a four-bedroom, two-and-a-half-bath, 2,100-square-foot house here for $160,000. It's not a bad little house. Some cosmetic work and pop a new backsplash on there, and you got something, is all I'm going to say here. Repaint the Katrina off of it.

That's right. And then I found a foreclosure. Well, this wasn't really wrecked by Katrina that much because that's where people were going. Got it. Here. So then I found a foreclosure here. It's a brick house. Very, very nice.

Four bedroom, three and a half bath, 3,500 square feet. Yeah. Nice big house. $339,000. And somebody lost their ass on it. Somebody lost their ass on it. They bought it for fucking $600. Yeah.

It was upside down like crazy. Things to do. We found the Gretna Heritage Festival here, which is their big event. And it's actually a pretty big event. Well, if you're 60 years old, it's a big event. We'll get to the lineup of musical acts in the last one. They had Kiss one night. Of course they did. Then the following night,

they had Huey Lewis and the News. Holy shit. And the News. He brought the whole News with him. Brought it all. Everything. The B-52s were there. Jesus Christ.

Followed by, closing it out on a Sunday night, Brian Adams. Pat Benatar. Yes. Female Brian Adams is what you just described. So, yes. I should have just said. That that was one fucking year they're the same person yeah that was the same year that was the same year

all of those there was more acts that i've heard of and shit but those are the big ones those are very caucasian oh yeah the heritage festival as we know when anyone uses the word heritage that is the most racist word it's a code word we all know. It's the most veiled we are racist as fuck word ever. The Gretna Very White Festival starring Huey Lewis, the B-52s, and Pat Benatar.

Don't forget about Kiss opening this show. We're not advertising Kiss because Gene Simmons is a Jew, so we're going to keep him out of the loop. We're not going to advertise him, but I feel like everyone

in the B-52s is pretty... That guy, I know he's probably gay, but he's not flaunting it, so we're going to keep him out of the loop. We're not going to advertise him, but I feel like everyone in the B-52s is pretty. That guy, I know he's probably gay, but he's not flaunting it, so we're going to go okay with him right now. It's a lot of face paint and leather. It's not me. It's not me. That's all I'm saying. So crime rate in this, they're just hoping he's got to be plowing that big redhead. That's what it has to be, right?

Right? That's what he's doing. It has to be. Oh, you're talking about the guy in the beef. Yeah. You're talking about everybody in kiss. No, no, no, no, no. I'm talking about. Yeah. Fifty two. The guy that fucking just was so flamboyant. Yeah. He's clearly like an older gay man. Yeah. You know, has like he sounds like he reminds me of the guy in the John Mulaney joke who rhymes in the bathroom. You know what I mean? So crime in this town. He's just, his face is too fucking animated in every video I've ever seen.

Well, he's into it. He's like herky-jerky to the music. You know his money? It's so weird. I bet he lives in a nicer house than any of these fucking real estate report ones. Whatever the house he's blowing dudes in, I'm sure it's amazing. That's what I mean. Blow dudes is all you want in that fucking house. So in 2013, the crime rate, you'd think I wasn't going to come with some numbers.

I was just going to say they made a lot of arrests. Come on now. I said I wasn't going to go in, but I am. Okay. Gretna Police Department made 6,566 adult arrests. That's 17,000 people. That's insanity. That's a little more than one for every three of

these residents right uh all of the arrests include non-residents also but that's 14 times the arrest rate of the typical american town 14 times 14 times and their crime rate isn't 14 times the crime rate but their arrest rate is 14 times the uh rate. That's from FBI data there. That's a lot. Property crime, like 15% higher, 10% higher. It's not that much. Violent crime in Mount Rushmore, murder, rape, robbery, assault. You bet.

Violent crime is even higher than that, but it's not 14 times. It's like 20% higher than normal. That's not 14 times. That's not 14 times. It would have to be 1,400 percent. I don't know if three quarters of the people in the town are cops and they arrest the other quarter of the people. They're just like constantly patrolling, staring at people, waiting for them to break a law. I don't know what it is.

That's a huge number. It's a pretty big number and it's a little bit weird if I'm going to be honest with you here. But let's talk about some shit that happened here that was pretty goddamn violent. here but uh let's let's let's talk about some shit that happened here that was pretty goddamn violent and uh like i said this one's uh pretty uh it's a pretty graphic one and description of the murder and then uh the uh there's the case is crazy too so we'll get into all this here we're gonna go back in time jimmy we got to step into the time machine for this one our last couple have been uh pretty pretty recent we had one in like 1990, but we've had 2011, 2010, 2009. So we're going to go back in time.

I like when we do these. That shit, last week in Arkansas, that was 2010. That was 2010. It felt like it was the 40s. It felt like it was people who were too injured to go to war. They were just on a busted farm that didn't work

right and shit and they couldn't make a living, and they were about to be foreclosed on. That shit happened with Jerry Seinfeld haggling a deal for comedians in cars getting coffee. With Seinfeld worth a billion dollars. That's just crazy. iPhones flying off the shelves like nobody's business. That guy's got overalls getting blown by his step-sister.

A black guy was president. A black guy was president, and this was happening, which is progressive and not progressive in this term. So shit has been crazy here. So we'll go all the way back. We're going all the way back to the 70s, Jimmy. Time machine, we got to flip and roll, and oh, man, the clocks are spinning, and wow. Babies are going back into Palin.

Was that a chicken that just flew by us, I think? Something like that, yeah. Bullets are coming out of wolves and back into Palin's guns. So it's all happening right now. So it's all the way back. We're going back to the mid-70s. There's a little over 20,000 people here. This is like the big decline period.

This is like everyone's running on fire from Gretna. Nobody wants to be here. We're going to go all the way back to 1979. So let's picture the hair yeah and the sideburns it was fucking smelly giant bushes that are just coming out of your tight pants in louisiana that's the weird part about the 70s that i don't get yeah is it seems like the pubes of men and women were at their biggest yeah they seem like they were blow drying them and fluffing them up and then the pants were the tightest so it's are were you trying to show your dick or your pubes well i mean if you've got if

you got a big bulge you could confuse either look at that pube nobody's gonna know until it comes out that's a pube puff right there but yeah you want to find that you better promise to put whatever's in here in your mouth man a pile of pubes who Who the hell wants... Who's that hot for? Who's turned on by that? Yeah, put all my pubes in your mouth. That's not... Get them out of the way and put whatever's buried in there. That's what... Yeah, you'd have to clear it out

with... Whatever. You'd need like an exacto knife or a machete or something in the 70s to get through there. Something's happening. Find the stinky mushroom. Oh my God, let's do it. It's's happening find the stinky mushroom oh my god let's do it it's the hunt for the stinky mushroom otherwise known as 1979 1979 blowjobs the year of the stinky mushroom that's what they called it i believe right is that something like that something like that i believe my sister was born so my mom found one

so your sister she found her own stinky mushroom in your sister? That's very nice. No, she found it in my dad. Not in your sister. Your dad's had a stinky mushroom. Perfect. I thought you were calling your sister a stinky mushroom. It's like, that's terrible, Jimmy.

That's not nice. But if you're calling your dad's penis a stinky mushroom. Yeah, that's the fun part. Carry on. Jesus, that's gross. Oh, man. So we're going to go all the way back. We're going to go all the way back to September 28th, 1979.

And we're going to meet a few people. Let's meet a few people and find out about them. These are some Gretna residents. Cynthia Shano is there. This is where her house is, where we're going to end up. But her, she's hanging out. She goes out and parties with her live-in boyfriend, Robert Wayne Sawyer. Now, Robert Wayne Sawyer is a real, let's just say he's a real catch. He has an involuntary manslaughter conviction from Arkansas under his belt, which makes

it worse, I feel like. Like, if you say you have an involuntary manslaughter conviction, that's bad. If you go, I got a voluntary manslaughter conviction up in Little Rock. You're like, oh, Jesus, that was fucking quadruple murder. That's worse. Yeah, that was involuntary. They just fuck up the crime scene and you're dumb enough to plead to something or something. What happened there?

Yeah, Jesus, involuntary. So, yeah, he's got that and he's got uh he's got one eye so he's got like a glass eye that kind of go fuck out no no and it's it's a 70s glass eye too this isn't and he's like it's 70s poor person in louisiana glass eye so it's not like a good one no it's not it's it's not even like as good as like you know like sandy duncans or sammy davis juniors it's not even somebody like i don't know any current celebrities with glass eyes. Sorry, I had to pull those out of the... It's just like an extra

marble from Hungry Hungry Hippos. That's it, and they like colored it blue and they're like, what's a pupil look like? Fuck it. Plug that in your face. Be careful though. Don't trip or nothing because it'll fall out. Oh my God, you're going to be chasing this all over. Oh, Jesus Christ. You're going to want to definitely keep some wet wipes on you in case there's going to be cat hair and shit all over. Maybe some yeah you're gonna want you're gonna want to definitely uh keep some

wet wipes on you in case there's gonna be cat hair and shit all over jb welder some fucking crazy glue whatever falls out on the floor whatever it touches it's just gonna stick to it you don't want to put that back in your skull hole do you want to just pop that back into your skull hole there chief how the fuck did you find this? A one-eyed involuntary manslaughter from Arkansas is hanging out with somebody. And he found a woman. That's the other point. Hey, everybody.

If you're single, how dare you? And you can't find one. Especially, there's men out there who are like dicks because they're angry at women because they can't find a woman. Hey, a woman. Hey, this fucking guy. this guy's got one involuntary manslaughter and one fucking eye and a 70s louisiana glass eye rolling around a goddamn marble with some sharpie on it and you're gonna complain maybe it's you that needs to cheer up bitch and he yeah that's right and he didn't have tinder no he had no way of finding these people he He just had to go to a bar, look at them with one eye, push the other one over so they were

focused both on her and then say, hey, how you doing, honey? Roaches have an incredible coif that keeps her attention off that fucking eye. You keep your top button and your pants unbuttoned and you just let it flow out, I feel like. Hell yeah. Maybe you put a little medallion in it like in your chest hair in the 70s. See how it works there. Spray some cologne on it. Just going to take a quick break from the show to tell you a little bit more about SimpliSafe

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in both places probably uh so they go out they're partying all night uh they meet a guy while they're out named charles lane uh he's a stranger to them they never met them before met charles lane before this evening they meet charles lane but chuck is fascinated with that eye oh he loves that eyes like oh boy i'll tell you something about this guy and robert wayne sawyer the funny part is too if you think that he's just an involuntary manslaughter with a phony eye and you gotta see him too he looks fucking nuts his hair is like this bushy 70s mess he's got sideburns a glass eye going off in one direction he is a crazy looking fucking guy he's insane daniel stern he looks insane he looks no he's like insane christopher lloyd like if he was but like taxi 70s christopher lloyd before he was you

know uh back to the future christopher before he was was Doc Brown, when he was Jim Ignatowski there and he's Reverend Jim. He looks kind of like that. If Reverend Jim was on hard times, didn't have that taxi job and a glass eye. Oh, and by the way, involuntarily manslaughtered someone in Arkansas, which is a lot different than Christopheropher and he's got a girlfriend he's a fucking catch man isn't he he's a winner he's a this is the guy this is a winner 79 is a man's world all of that i haven't even touched on what's mainly wrong with him that's the other thing he's got the show right now he's got other problems, it's been pretty funny. We made fun of a terrible town. We fucking made fun of a bunch of racist people.

We got a one-eyed Jim Ignatowski stumbling around murdering people and shit. This is easy. What the fuck is going on? Good night, everybody. Thanks for joining us on Small Town Murder. Here's our list of producers. I gotta go back to bed. Yeah, this is fucking crazy, man.

This is nuts. What are we even doing here? What the fuck is going on? And they meet Charles Lane, and this guy goes, I'm going to hang out with these two. That's a thing. Well, shit's going to be fun. I have a feeling Robert Sawyer just takes friends wherever he can get them. If someone's willing to come and hang out with him, he's like, okay, shit, I don't meet a lot of friends.

Most people can't tell which eye is looking at him because it's a bad one. So they're all shit faced. That's the thing, though. When there's a fucked up eye in the room, it's you're going to find it. And everyone knows. Yeah. Everyone's thinking about it. Everyone's thinking, including the person with the fucking eye.

Everybody will find. Yeah, that's. And it's like I said, I can't express to you how much it's not a good glass eye. It's not a good one. It is not like... Just patch it up, bro. It's not top notch. Just wear an eye patch.

You know what? That's the only thing that could make him look more sketchy would be as if he had an eye patch, I would say. At least you could just be like, man, I realize this shit's distracting. I promise it's way worse without a Charles Manson swastika tattoo in the middle of his forehead. It was less suspicious than a big bushy hair doing an eye patch. That looks terrible. Yeah. So they're hammered.

These three. Right. And they come home from the bar. They bring Charles Lane home with them for some reason. I know it's weird. It's weird, but it doesn't seem to be for sexual purposes. They didn't say like he wasn't like, I guess, come home and bang my woman with me like that wasn't a part of it they weren't making a weird porn or anything it's the 70s i mean maybe they were swinging but

that's not what happened so i doubt that's what was going on seemed like they were just hanging out having a good talk about the you know i don't even know what i got my eye on you he you, boy. I got my eye on you. He's asking him where he got that from. They're talking about, so that store, what they got? Like fake legs and shit, too? What they got there? Like an arm you could just put on? Tell you what. Tell you what.

We've been drinking all night. Let's just go back to your house, sleep it off, and then in the morning, you can take me to that store. Let's do that. Let me ask you this, though, first. How much of your head can be a prosthetic? Do they have a whole head you can just pop on your body in case it falls off or something? They got that?

They got ears and tongues and shit. They got ears and shit and eyeballs. I know they got eyeballs. They got a nose you can just pop on you there. Just a half of one? Hell, I'd like to see it. I'll check it out. Now, if you take me there, will you take me to your store, please?

I'll sleep at your place. I don't care. Can I see your eyeball? Can I hold it? Oh, that happened care can i see your eyeball can i hold it oh that happened can i hold your eyeball and i feel like robert was like sure just hit the back of his head slapped it popped out right in his hand like he does it all the time and he goes here you go pal pop and just tosses it to him here catch here you go poof like it's a fucking jawbreaker he got out of a machine for a quarter there was a car wash here at phoenix that a guy it was on the news a guy who was trying to get the news to get him a new eyeball because the men

the men that washed his car found the eyeball in the cup holder and played hockey sack with that i'm sorry that's terrible i know yes i realize but would you would you but would you guess it's like midnight and it's hilarious would you guess that guys that wash cars are good at hacky sack fuck no they're not and they missed it a lot and it hit the ground a lot and it was chipped all the super white college kids washing cars no it was chipped all the fuck and they put it back oh my god here you go at least they didn't make up a story like well we sucked it up into the vacuum we had to dig it out yeah i don't know it bounced all over the place in there it was tough

that's hilarious man so uh these just the glass-eyed man here uh so they come in to this apartment okay they enter uh the three them, they're shit-faced. It's morning time. So they were out all night hanging out. And then they bring this guy home, too. So this is just party time for these people. They're hammered. As they enter the apartment, Cynthia Shano's son is there.

Well, we should probably also get down to who is there and what's going on. So we have charles lane he's the stranger who's coming we have uh we have eyeball uh charles charles the eye uh so robert the eye sawyer over here uh we have cynthia shano who is uh the eyes uh live-in girlfriend right or it's her house it's his good fortune he moved yeah he of course it's not his house duh jesus christ uh so uh they're at this is cynthia shano's mother's place but she stays there okay with her glass-eyed manslaughtering boyfriend oh mom's okay yes and uh also in the house when they come home is francis arwood who is ayear-old young lady and who is Cynthia Shano's sister-in-law.

She's there babysitting Cynthia Shano's small children. So they went out bar hopping all night. They didn't leave the kids there alone. They had the sister-in-law stay with them. They get home from this. They're all shit-faced. They get home, and immediately they are confronted, I guess you could say. I don't know how much a four-year-old can confront.

But they run into a four-year-old named Wayne. He lives there. He's not just a random four-year-old that was wandering down the block. He's like, what the fuck are you doing here? Hey, fuck you, lady. And he stole her necklace and ran away. This kid wakes up at 1 a.m. or 4 a.m.? This is like morning time.

Oh, my God. This is like fucking morning. He's waking up ready 1 a.m. or 4 a.m.? This is like morning time. Oh, my God. This is like fucking morning. He's waking up ready for pancakes. Yeah, well, they come home. Wayne, his name is. He tells these three drunk idiots, he tells them that the babysitter, Francis, Fran as they call her, Fran Arwood, gave his two-year-old brother, Troy, some pills to make him stop crying. So three drunk people come home everything's happy they're drunk laughing you know how drunk people come in the house yeah they're all happy i'm sure

they're like yeah we didn't get a dui and we we only killed three fucking people on the way home maybe i'm gonna lose my eye too maybe if i lose the left one you got the right one maybe we could you know how it goes crazy glue our heads together stand next to each other and we'll be an unstoppable force maybe we could draw a comic book hear me out that's that's how drunks come in the house that's how drunks come in there and then the little kid comes out and they're like hold the comic yeah hold the comic book wait and they're like what if what if what if this guy what if comic book guy, what if someone gave him pills to make him tired and that's what made him angry? And they just keep going with anything that happens.

They add it to a story and it's terrible. And that's what's out there. And that's why I drink. And that's why we all drink. So I don't drink, actually. But you do. I do. You do.

So they're all there. This is a thing here. don't drink, actually. But you do. I do. You do. So they're all there. They get it. This is this is a thing here. They're upset, obviously, as you might imagine. Shano, Cynthia, leaves the house for some reason here. We don't know where the fuck she went, but she comes back at 1230 p.m. She comes back around noon. Don't know where she went after she just found out her child ingested pills from the nanny.

Yeah, I don't know if she was. She didn't take him to the emergency room, I'm pretty sure, to make sure that this wasn't anything bad. But when she gets home, okay, Robert, the I, we'll call him, the I and Lane, Charles Lane and Francis R. Wood are in a big argument as this goes on. I don't know if it's over pills. I don't know if it's over what the fuck they're arguing about. This argument continues and escalates. And the I here, Robert Sawyer, pushes Francis' head back against a sofa bed and hit her in the face at this point. So the argument has escalated now to where this is this man in the face oh my god at this point so the argument

has escalated now to where this is this man he's 27 years old at this point he's beating on a 22 year old woman ages don't matter but i figured i'd throw him out there anyway he was born in 1951 that's important to know because there's another guy with the exact same name that died in the exact same year uh that i'm sure gets mixed up a lot so this is the 51 robert wayne sawyer so anyway uh they get there uh they're she's watching this uh shano as she's watching this happen her live-in boyfriend is punching her sister-in-law in the face which is fucking crazy and charles lane is still there too that guy's got to be like y'all i could leave you would see that's the thing a normal person would be like oh check their

watch like yeah wow i didn't realize it was the light should have alerted me to the fact that it's the next day i should get the fuck out of here 12 hours i'm not invested in this shit i'm getting the fuck is there a payphone near here where i could maybe call the cops because this is getting fucking wacky he has run me back to my t-top car yeah so now uh shano's watching this and uh lane takes a turn and he hits her in the face punches her he's involved now so lane's like fuck it i guess in for in for a penny in for a pound you know it's hard to find good drinking buddies who will take you to their prosthetic store and show you the arms and legs and eyeballs so when he hits a woman i'll hit her too even if i just met her and have no stake in any of this shit.

What a fucking idiot. This is crazy. So right now it's like, who's the stupider and who's the bigger scumbag out of this whole thing at this point? I don't even know. It's impossible to tell. So he hits her in the face. Lane does.

So Sawyer then says, I guess we're fucking her up now. He goes in and starts punching her in the face lane does that so sawyer then says i guess we're fucking her up now oh boy he goes in and starts punching her in the chest okay uh uh she tries to get up it's like a futon type thing like a sofa bed they call it i feel like that's what they're trying to get across is it's a futon type deal well or it's a sleeper bed yeah but they call it they call yeah i don't know what it's probably one of those hotel shitty ones yeah something like that or whatever it is but she tries to get up uh as she get tries to get up uh sawyer now takes it to the next level uh keeps his eye in somehow while he does it he kicks her in the chest okay uh at that point knocking her back onto the couch so now she's tried to get up a couple of times she's been punched and pushed punched in the face twice punched in the chest and kicked in the chest

so i don't think this is your average babysitting job like even adventures in babysitting didn't go this fucking wrong this is a lot then that was like involved a crime syndicate so this is crazy shit she should have started singing babysitter blues yeah oh that's a good one yeah elizabeth shoe in that movie was was good stuff i had a crush on her when i was oh the beginning scene of that movie is fantastic as an eight-year-old that's tugable that's what i mean as a child i was like what's what's happening here it was a her and alissa mulatto when i was a child because she was italian so i was like okay i was like even my grandmother will approve of this literally because she's only a couple years a few years older than me i was like i even my grandmother will approve of this. Literally. She's only a couple years, a few years older than me.

I was like, I can make this work. I could find her. My grandma will approve. Milano, she's a fucking guinea, right? This is going to be perfect. I bet she can make sauce. This is good. Elizabeth, she was thinking about it, and then he kissed me.

And I was like, I'll do it whenever you want. It's all right. I'm right here. You're eight, and she's 19 and hot. Let me finish putting my basketball cards in alphabetical order. Hold on. Let me take my Scooby-Doo jammies off real quick and put my tough skins on, and I'll be right over.

Let me pull on these dungarees. Let me Velcro my shoes tight for the walk, and I'll be right there. Okay, there, sweetheart. I want to get blisters. Yeah, you don't want to do that. So at this point, you would assume they't want to do that so uh at this point she's on the you would assume they want to keep her on the couch at this point but then sawyer switches it up and and tells her uh to get up and go wash herself off so he did like a sunny

he did like a sunny corleone go clean yourself up fucking type of deal here uh so uh now shane the kids are there by the way when this is going on this is their aunt and uh babysitter and they know her and this is not shit you want your children to see oh my scumbag one-eyed boyfriend first of all the mother okay let's you know what and people are if you're if you have one eye i apologize for all this but this guy doesn't look like you i promise you that this is a separate thing if you If you're four years old and your mom is, you know, my parents were divorced early as you know your dad. So whatever.

My mom had boyfriends and shit like that. None of them had a glass eye that looked in the wrong direction. And if they did, I'd be like, Mom, that's fucked up. Where'd you find this guy? Please don't bring him around. And this woman said, oh, no, no, he's moving in, actually. Yeah. No, when you wake up in the middle of the night, you go to the bathroom, you might run

into that guy in the hallway. This lunatic that looks like he's been struck by lightning. Watch out for his pube bush. It'll pull you right in. So that's thorny. We've got a listener with no eyes. The man's blind. He's a handsome dude.

Oh, yeah, yeah. No, you can be handsome. Yeah. And he can't even see himself to put it together. And this fuck's got one eye and he's a fucking mess. He's a disaster. And he's got a lot more problems, you know, like involuntarily manslaughtering people and punching young babysitters in the face for really nothing.

So he does this. So now he tells her to wash up. Shano, Cynthia Shano, into the bedroom uh with the kids yeah uh and at this point she hears uh lane hitting arwood i don't know how she knew it was lane yeah but she says it was lane hitting her uh she screamed his name jesus christ i don't know that's terrible chuck lane is beating your ass you can call me chuck that's terrible this Charles Lane. Chuck Lane is beating your ass. You can call me Chuck. That's terrible, this poor girl. Jesus Christ.

But, you know, that's terrible. Well, we're making fun of him, not her. All right, that's fine. Fucking not. He's getting joy out of this. Please call me Chuck. My name's Chuck, and I said I wanted to go to the fucking store. Please not chip.

I don't like it. Punching on every word. So when Shano comes out of the bedroom after hearing all this hitting going on, she's like, Jesus Christ, what the fuck? She comes out. For Christ's sake, I'm trying to watch TV in here. What's happening? She sees the eye here. Sawyer drag our wood by the hair into the bathroom.

What in the fuck is going on? She pops out of the bedroom and she sees dragging a woman by the hair into the bathroom. Meanwhile, nobody's checked on the two-year-old that supposedly ingested pills. No, apparently the two-year-old's in the room fine. I think you're probably more worried about the situation of the dragging of the sister-in-law by her hair in the bathroom after your manslaughtering one-eyed boyfriend beat her up along with a scumbag barfly that they met that night. That might be a more pressing concern at this point. This is so weird. So she sees that.

She ends up seeing Arwood wouldn't get it. They were trying to get her into the bathtub for some reason. So she wouldn't get into the bathtub and if you if an adult person doesn't want to get into the bath i don't know if you've ever tried to put a two-year-old that doesn't want to get in the bath that ain't easy it's fucking hard there's shit to grab on to it's like an it's like an uneven thing one of those uh pummel horses like they can go around it and pop in and out they can get leverage on all kinds of and then there's bubbles they start getting slippery but an adult that doesn't want to go in a bathtub, that's difficult. They're going to put their arms out.

What are you supposed to do? Also, in a bathtub, when you're getting forced into one, you know that's because blood goes down the drain. Blood or something bad is going to happen. Unless you're overdosing on heroin and they're trying to put cold water on you. There's never a good reason to be in the tub if you're dry. No, especially if it's not voluntary. Since I've been three, I've never had a good involuntary bath. I've never had an involuntary bath, but I can't imagine what would be good.

Pre-three it happens, but after three, all bathing should be voluntary at that point. It shouldn't be forced. So if you can't get a grown woman into the bathtub who doesn't want to get into the bathtub how how do you get her into well that's the that's the gentlemanly way to do it is uh you know what never mind forget the bath forget the bath uh i'm sorry i hit you on the head uh i can i can i take get you some medical attention we should either go our separate ways or apologize or you should be at a hospital either way uh probably gonna end up arrested aren't i all right then that's that would be the thing We should either go our separate ways or you should be at a hospital either way. Probably going to end up arrested, aren't I?

All right, then. That would be the thing there. I'll get a record. What he does is kick her in the chest, knocking her into the bathtub and also making her hit her head against the back wall. So now shit's gotten real here. I can't imagine what Shano's thinking, the Cynthia Shano, other than maybe I shouldn't be going out with a one-eyed manslaughter. That'd be one thing.

And also maybe shouldn't take that guy from the bar that we just met here either. We don't know him. That's probably what's going through her head. Yeah, I don't know this fucking guy. So at this point, Lane here, we're going to call him Chip. Old Chip Lane steps up to the plate uh and he says they keep they keep they're not a good team this lane and sawyer one does one thing and the other does the opposite like one will make them do something the other one will say do the opposite it's the

stupidest good cop bad cop bad terrible cop fucking uh worst cop they'd be terrible teammates on tug of war oh they'd be awful yeah they'd be both going the wrong direction. One would be going, they'd be tugging with each other, these fucking idiots. So he, Sawyer, kicks her in the chest, knocks her into the tub. Lane then pulls her back out of the tub. What the fuck? Well, now she's hit her head on the... Do it again!

Yeah, now she's hit her head on the tub, so she's not quite as... She's a bit woozy. She's a bit woozy. Her want to fight is a little bit suppressed now with that whole thing. So what he does after he pulls her out of the tub is Lane starts undressing her. Now, this is has nothing to do with pills or if you drugged my baby and it was bad and you are, I might punch you like probably not um if it's a woman i'm probably just gonna call the cops probably and that's gonna be the end of it i don't think i'm gonna start beating her no uh not even one punch not even a slap probably i'm probably gonna yell

a little bit a dude i'm gonna lose my shit dude's gonna we're overthrown but i think a woman i think i'm gonna probably call the police i'm gonna take a step back because she's a fucking lunatic that's the other thing she's probably got a blade on or something because she's fucking crazy uh but this woman here we don't know if she drugged this kid by the way we have no idea if she she could have gave this kid a fucking tic-tac right and said like these are some pills that'll make you stop crying the word of a four-year-old right now this is the thing though like you tell kids bullshit i remember my uh my aunt's ex-boyfriend used to tell my little brother that the tree

outside it was a palm tree was a cookie tree okay and he'd go out there and he put a bunch of cookies up in it and he'd shake it and fucking cookies would fall down and my little brother i should have known that something was going to be wrong with him he's fine now but i i predicted bad things so i was worried about him from the start with the cookie tree but if you told a kid kids will believe anything and if you told a kid if you gave a kid a tic-tac and you said these are magic pills that will make you not not cry anymore it'll make you feel better and make you want to go to sleep a kid would take it and then they'd go they gave me these magic pills and it's placebo effect right so we don't know or she could have

gave the kid a couple of benadryls we have no fucking idea or worse or who the hell knows what she gave her but we don't or she could have gave him nothing and the four-year-old could have made it up we got a four-year-old we have no idea word we're trusting and we're not really sure of the veracity of the four-year-old this might be a shitty four-year-old we have no fucking idea if this four-year-old's any good could be my four-year-old he could be a shit four-year-old yeah so we have no idea here uh so uh lane now has pulled her out of the bathtub just a quick catch-up and now he's undressed her uh and then he closes the bathroom door the bathroom door is closed for about 20 minutes okay with a semi-conscious naked woman who's been forcefully undressed and a man that

we've known for 12 hours never yeah while we were drunk but i don't they who knows if they even remember his fucking name at this point? Or if they just, is that Chip? Chip, I think he's in. So, so while Lane is in the bathroom with her for 20 minutes,

Sawyer, I don't know if they planned this or if they're, now it's, they've gotten to be like a real, a real, you know, what's the fucking,

Starsky and Hutch. Not Starsky and Hutch, the dancers from back, never mind. Fuck me. It's one o'clock in the fucking... Starsky and Hutch. Not Starsky and Hutch. The dancers from back. Never mind. Fuck me. It's one o'clock in the morning. I don't know. Who cares at this point?

It doesn't fucking matter. See, when you go for a reference, if it takes more than one, it doesn't matter anymore. It's just, it's gone. So, fuck it. Who cares? It's too late. So, anyway, while they're in there uh this genius over here this uh this fucking guy uh the eyeball is in the kitchen boiling water he is boiling water in the kitchen

so what's he making mac and cheese now or what the fuck is happening top ramen uh yeah that's probably actually that's more more like this you can get like eight top ramens for the price of a box of mac and cheese that's true true. You know what I mean? He's got to save up for a new eyeball so he can get himself. That currency checks out. You know how it is. That's how it works here. So yeah, let's get our laughing in now because it's about to get very not funny.

Okay. So he then goes into the bathroom with the boiling water. With the boiling water. And also he's got detergent he's got like clothes clothing detergent like tide or whatever he pours the detergent on francis's head he starts pouring detergent on her for some reason and then pours the hot water on top of that on top of the detergent i suppose to quote clean her for some reason because he told her to wash up

and she didn't want to wash up apparently so he cleansed her on a drugger into the bathtub jesus kicked her into it to quote wash her up and then this melted her skin off lane has his own ideas of well shit i mean she's semi-conscious i can take her pants right off and there's that and while this guy's got a whole other agenda of i told this fucking lady to i told this bitch to be clean damn it and i'm gonna fucking pour detergent and boiling water on her like a fucking maniac none of these actions make any fucking sense none of this makes any sense this is what i mean none of this makes any sense uh it's fucking insane so he does this uh so uh as this happens uh lane starts pushing francis's head under the water in the tub and punching her with her so he's like putting her head in and pulling it out putting her head and pulling out and punching her intermittently also right so put her head in

for a while pull it out punch her a couple times put her back in the this is fucking this is cia fucking yeah this is like doesn't make any sense this is black site turkmenistan cia behavior this is bat shit based on a four-year-old's information based on a four-year-old's intelligence this is uh yes this is this is the invasion of iraq in the beginning the original invasion here based on very faulty intelligence right from before that's really you want to know why we're in Iraq right now? The faulty intelligence from a four year old. A four year old Iraqi child

told Dick Cheney on a special envoy visit over there that Saddam had some shit and they said well that's indisputable. He sure wasn't one of the first graders at George Bush's book reading that was like. He might have whispered it in his ear. There are so many weapons of mass destruction. You never know. It's possible. We don't't know we don't know but uh this four-year-old it

gets around with him he also put john gaudy away it wasn't sammy the boy was this kid that testified this kid against him he's got a lot of information this kid here so turn state witness at four that's what i mean he doesn't care he didn't give a fight he didn't even go into the protection program he said you know what i got you don? You don't need to fucking protect me. I'm little Timmy. I'll be at fucking elementary school. You don't need to protect me, guy. Listen.

Hey, guy. He's just manipulative. He didn't like Francis, so he's like, they gave him some pills or something. Yeah, that's a ticket to pills. Yeah, they gave the kid pills. And I think he croaked. I'm not sure. You might want to kick your fucking ass.

I'm not positive. They could have made Problem Child so much better if they'd have yanked that little ginger out and put a crazy italian kid that would have been great that would have been amazing just fucking up john ritter all day hey uh jack tripper let me ask you a question real quick all right you uh hey jack you trip over a fucking ottoman today yet you uh you banging chrissy huh let me ask you that, huh? I know you're not banging Janet

because, you know, nobody wants to bang her. She's always whining and fucking complaining. My hair's so short. But she was banging Chrissy, wasn't you? Be honest.

Come on. What are you doing? Get out of here. Get the fuck out of here. Don't lie to me. I'm four fucking years old. I don't know. You don't lie to a four-year-old

when he's standing in front of you. Janet's got a Subaru in the parking space, doesn't she? I know she does. You know what's happening. I know what's going on with her. Get the fuck out of here. I know what's happening.

Why are you lying to me? That's what I mean. What do you think? I was born fucking yesterday? Almost. Close. I'm four. But not quite.

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Okay. So this is fucking vile so far. And it somehow gets more vile. It's just the punishment doesn't fit the crime these two are like coming up with i don't even know like there's no flow to this there's no like someone tried to hit me and i tried to hit them and then they came at me with a knife and i knocked it out of their hand and i saw a fucking gun and i shot them like there's no flow to it there's like we do this then what do we do it's like a wrestling match where

we're an involuntary wrestling match where they're like in between moves considering what to do now like I guess I'll throw him against the ropes like it's what the fuck is happening let's get out of the ring and go into a hallway yeah this is well they're gonna get her out of the tub because they had her in the tub holding her underwater and punching her and everything

else they pull her out of the bathtub she resists here. She hits Sawyer. She hits the eye over here. He screams out loud because I guess she hurt him. This fucking asshole. Watch it. That's my only one left.

He holds his other eye. Whenever anybody gets mad at him, he just puts his hand over his good eye just to keep it in there. And he kicks her in the chest uh when he kicks her in the chest she falls back and her head hits uh either the windowsill or the bathtub and she knocks her out he's a limber sumbitch yeah so he's he's kicking people in the chest a lot that's his go-to fucking move if it's the 70s i feel he saw too many bruce lee movies he's finally getting to try it out. I'm like John McCain, though. Like, I can't lift my leg above my knee. You can't do it. He's been wanting to try these moves out in like a bar or something, but he's a pussy.

So now he has a 22-year-old fucking woman babysitter who he's going to fucking beat up on like an asshole. So she's unconscious. She's knocked out from this. Hits her head, knocks her out. She's unconscious. She's knocked out from this. Hits her head, knocks her out. So Chip Lane and the eyeball Sawyer carry her into the living room and drop her face down on the floor unceremoniously.

And you're laughing out of everybody if you're new to the show. Jimmy is laughing out of pure uncomfort or discomfort. And the bad wrestling team name. That's the other thing. Yeah, they're a tag team. Chip Lane and the bad wrestling team name that's the other thing yeah they're they're a tag team there's a there lane in the eyesore everybody on twitter there's your assignment for the week come up with a uh the the worst tag team name for these two fucking dildos you can come up with uh these two complete assholes so uh they drop her face down on the floor uh chip at this point starts kicking her in the ribs for some reason even though she's unconscious face down on the floor

no reason to be she didn't i don't understand where the this is coming from so then sawyer whilst he's okay lane is kicking chip sorry chip is kicking her in the ribs while the eyeball there is walking on her back for some reason. I don't know if it's to hold her down or what the fuck is going on here. Walking on her back. Then Sawyer goes and gets a leather belt and beats her with that also. I mean, it's like they're just coming up with new ideas. Like, what do we do now?

Fucking idiots. They then put her on a sofa uh back onto the sofa bed yeah uh where they started let's get back to uh basics here uh uh uh this whole time by the way i failed to mention cynthia shano is screaming and freaking out for them to stop doing this because imagine like we said all of this that we just described there is a woman her sister-in-law francis's sister-in-law who who trusts this francis enough to be with her children their fucking children uh and must like her to some extent or at least consider her family uh that they're beating and doing all this too so she's freaking out the whole time they're completely ignoring her uh like it's you know like whatever just not even she's not even there uh so jesus christ this gets so bad

here they put her here uh she had uh uh she has cynthia shano screaming for them to stop she's freaking out she then covers uh francis with a blanket uh covers her up i don't know why her body or just her head she's still she's alive francis but she covers as much as she can with the blanket i don't know if she's trying to help her trying to keep her warm yeah if it's like the blankets like some sort of maybe they won't mess with her if she puts a yeah exactly like maybe that's what i don't know what she's trying to do so then uh then cynthia shano goes into the bathroom because she's so nauseous she goes into the bathroom to throw up.

Of course. Which is what a sane person would do in this situation after they called the police, I would say. First and foremost, call the police and say that your manslaughtering one-eyed boyfriend and some other jerk off named Chip is doing this here. chip as uh doing this here uh so while she's in the bathroom she hears sawyer tell chip that they're having a conversation this is what i mean they're like having like a one-upsmanship of who can be a bigger fucking asshole she tells sawyer tells chip quote i'll show you how cruel i can be okay no it's like a cruelty contest this is turned into. These people are fucking vile. So Cynthia returns from the bathroom when she hears that, obviously. She's like, oh boy, I better fucking intervene here.

Wow. When she comes back into the room, she sees smoke. Smoke. There's now fire. Coming from Francis's face. Oh boy. And Francis's legs are now open. Oh, boy.

Okay. Lane. This is probably one of the sickest things we've ever encountered. This puts shovel rape in the backseat. Lane is laughing. Okay. Laughing. This isn't even like an anger thing.

This is fun for this fucking lunatic. Okay. He's laughing and he tells Cynthia, by the way, this isn't something that you're like, Hey, you know, this isn't a fucking story that happened to you down at the bar. This is a crazy laughing and tells her that he burned his dick. He thinks it's hilarious. He burned his dick because he was raping her while Sawyer set her on fire. Oh my God. So he isn't that funny?

What the fuck? Hilarious, huh? This coming from us, we have pretty dark senses of humor. That is not a time for laughter. No, that's crazy. That is a time to fucking kill yourself. He set her on fire while that guy was raping her. And the guy raping her thought it was hilarious.

You burned my dick. Ha, ha, ha. What the fuck? Set her on fire while I was trying to rape her. What a comp... I'm blown away. I'm... This puts leg...

There's nothing crazier. There's nothing been more disgusting so far. No, this is leg breaking. That, this is the most horrific... That's gross. Even the hot sauce bottle somehow was not this. Yeah. This, wow, I'm disgusted with these fucking people right now.

As everybody out there. I don't think there's if you're not disgusted with these fucking people, you have a problem. There's something wrong with you. I don't know what to say. That's all I can say. So. So Sawyer had set her on fire. Right.

That's his idea here. So now at this point, they sit around sawyer and i guess they're tired and bored they've done they can't think of anything else to do to this fucking poor woman how far can you go outside of set her on fire while i rape her well they sat around listening to elvis records yeah to elvis records which if this couldn't be any more of a nightmare for this francis who by the way is alive oh my god this poor, is alive. Oh, my God. This poor woman is alive to have all of this going on. But to the fucking soundtrack of Elvis, which is a I fucking despise Elvis and every chord he's ever fucking put out.

Every note he's ever sang or sung or whatever. I hate him. In quote, he quotes. In quote, he quotes. I hate his fucking quote movies. I hate all that horse shit oh that is the worst anyway taylor swift 1955 edition the best thing ever is eddie murphy making fun of him that's oh it's great i love that so much yes black people have at it with

elvis he stole from you and you should be angry. You deserve to hate him forever. You should be angry. So back to this awfulness here. They lounge around, hung out. They're like, what do we do now? They're like, what are we going to do with her? Like she's been burned and she's unconscious and we've done all that we can really do. What are we supposed to do? So they just thought about it for a while. So long they thought about it that Lane fell asleep.

Fell asleep next to her she's burned it's like three in the afternoon now she's been beaten severely about the head and face she's a one big bruised mess that's been burned with burn marks all over and he's like i'm just gonna sidle up next i need a nap take a little nap here boy well he did come i get it yeah he's tired he's very tired he had a long day when you burn your dick you he did come. I get it. Yeah, he's tired. He's very tired. He had a long day. When you burn your dick, you want to nap afterwards. So it's at this point, it's 1230 in the afternoon-ish.

Cynthia Shano's sister and her nephew come over to the house to visit. This isn't a good time for company. What the fuck is going on? So they come. The nephew keeps knocking and knocking and knocking it's a kid not accepting not home as an answer so sawyer gives uh cynthia shano the key because you need a key to get out of this door the key to open the door and she runs out screaming uh to her relatives uh she incomprehensibly is just, fire and dick burns

and there's an eyeball rolling around and there's cat hair on it. Bananas. It's fucking nuts. Nobody knows what the hell she's talking about. No one can see what's going on until the sister and nephew look inside and see Frances sitting there,

obviously not in her best shape. She's not ready for the prom at the moment. She's beaten and bloodied and blistered and burned. And they see Sawyer. They see this cocksucker with his feet propped up on the couch, just lounging, just chilling, hanging out like nothing. Like he's watching football just with some chips on his chest. Hi, y' hey hey hey well the game's on yeah when all the tech games louisiana tech games all is gonna be good i think we're gonna be good this year saints are coming up next i'll just move her aside it's fine archie manning she don't care reckon with her on the floor it

don't matter she ain't she ain't bothered what the fuck if y'all set her on fire or nothing you can do that too just don't burn your dick because uh chip chip found that out right chip that's right that was hilarious wasn't it fucking assholes so how's that 79 bush now sir yeah jesus christ so it's at this point that shano is now calling police because you know now thank god she's calling police and emergency and paramedics and everything uh so uh she francis is taken to uh the west jefferson hospital uh she arrives at the hospital in a coma she has third degree degree burns all over her body pretty much her whole body uh cuts on her chin all over her face swelling of the face and neck and brain and everything else uh lane and sawyer were both arrested obviously they're sitting there with their feet up next to the fucking girl uh they

get arrested they they're told of their miranda rights obviously when police get there they were like uh i would think they'd say who did that right what happened those two with their feet propped oh yeah well come on they're half bush and one eye. And one's going, you ready to hear about my dick burning? It's hilarious. And they're like, yeah, sure, as they cuff him and fucking whack his head into the car. Great story for you, how I got these blisters on my dick.

I really hope they didn't fucking push their heads down into the car. I really hope they let him fucking smash their heads several times. Skip that hole, watch your head part. Yeah, this is the, I hope there was a lot of potholes yeah on the way to the fucking station here for these assholes to go over because that shit apparently hurts i'm told judging by the wire from what they've told me you should watch the wire i don't know if i ever told you that you know what fuck that you don't deserve the wire never mind stop telling

jimmy to watch the wire he doesn't deserve it it's too good for him so uh lane what we could have had what we could have had damn it see you and steve earl could have been romantic and everything else you could have uh longed for him in a sexual manner he is wonderful he is wonderful so uh chip over here signs a right of arrestee form and gives a statement admitting that he was present but stating that he was only there to try to assist francis that was his only that's what chip says that stating that he was only there to try to assist Francis. That was his only. That's what Chip says.

That's it. I was just there to try to help her. Listen, we were out drinking. I said, my sister-in-law's back at the house. And he's like, I should go assist. Actually, what happened was he was at home. Right. And he saw the signal go up in the sky.

It was the chip signal. Right. He busted ass on over there. The brain assist signal. He kicked that door in. Problem was, he was just about to save her, but his cape got caught in the door when it closed behind him. It was a real shame. He couldn't get it open. So he's stuck there while Sawyer's beating the piss out of this woman.

He said, well, my dick's close enough. I guess I could burn it. This piece of shit. That's his thing. That's his story. Captain Save-A- captain save oh that's gonna be his defense that's that's the defense he's got here it's better than the white trash one from phillips oklahoma although they should probably use that defense when you hear what happened close so uh it's it's fucking real close so november of 21st 1979 this is two months later later. Frances has been in a coma this entire time.

Two months. Two months in a coma. Unbelievable. Okay, and they have them arrested, but they don't have them arrested on murder because she's still alive. Well, November 21st, 1979, she dies. God damn it. The cause of death was significant brain damage from blunt head injury and extensive burns over most of her body which is fucking insane uh lawyer sawyer and lane here this fucking the worst tag team in the history of wrestling uh were rebooked

now and formally charged with first degree murder obviously and lane's like what do you mean yeah i was just trying to help my cape remember i told y'all i got i can don't like i don't think so yeah so i gotta drop the dry cleaners now do you see the door jams they're all dirty get it oh see what happens my cape's all messed up i gotta look sharp when i'm solving crimes so at that time here uh lane now that they arrest him this is what doesn't make sense too they're like okay now it's murder yeah so lane says okay i had sexual intercourse with her oh boy that's what he says now uh while she was in the bathtub but he denies anything to do with beating her or anything that would injure her twice he said yes he raped her twice uh one time he was on fire uh when they first this is amazing they first tell him that they brought him in for booking they you know from the jail area they bring him into the booking area and they asked him uh that he asked why he

was being brought there and the deputy explained that he was being rebooked for first degree murder he asked whether the girl had died or not and the police officer responded well yes she did as a matter of fact that's what murder is dummy comes from you dumb fuck uh your dick must be in your brain because it got burned your brain must be in your dick because you got burned. Then Lane says, well, let me tell you what happened. Well, let me tell you something. Let me tell you what happened. Now, what had happened was.

I got a story for you. Yeah, I got something. Now, the deputy, because he's not like the investigator. He's literally the intake guy. Just the guy that's transporting them. He's literally the guy that's just doing his paperwork. Like, yes, you're rearrested for this. And here you go.

And process him. And they re-mugshot him and the whole deal. He's what that guy does. That's all he's doing. This guy repeatedly tells Lane that he doesn't say anything. Don't tell me shit. He doesn't want to fucking know. He doesn't want to have to do the paperwork.

He doesn't want to have to tell anybody. He doesn't want to be involved. He's just doing paperwork. He's like, fucking don't tell me have to do the paperwork. He doesn't want to have to tell anybody. He doesn't want to be involved. He's just doing paperwork. He's like, fucking don't tell me. Don't do shit. Just give me your fingerprints and go the fuck back to yourself. Lane insists that he needs to tell this man what happened, even though this guy repeatedly says,

A, I have nothing to fucking do with this, and B, that's bad for you. Stop doing it. Don't do this. Don't do this. He says, no, no, I need to tell somebody. Stop doing it. Don't do this. He says, no, no, I need to tell somebody. He said, quote, he wanted somebody to understand that he did not do anything to the girl as far as hitting her and that Mr. Sawyer did it all.

That's what the cop said that this guy explained to him. Lane stated, quote, all I did was top her in the bathtub. First of all, that is I've never heard that as a term for sex and if i ever do again i'm definitely gonna throw up like without it i'm not gonna eat for a fucking day and a half if someone says i'm gonna top her good i'm gonna fucking puke uh wow that's worse than that whole jewish stuff thing you know yeah jesus christ did you see high high spirits no the where the fucking hotel is haunted and- I didn't see that.

It's an 80s movie. I'm surprised. I'm surprised how the hell I missed that. I saw the rest of the shit from the 80s. One of the ghosts is talking about it's bohoogie night or some shit like that. And he's chasing his fucking wife around that he's going to bang. He's going to bang a ghost. They're both ghosts.

Whatever. Ghost fucking? Right. Ghost fucking. And when I was a kid, I was like, that's gross. That is gross. That's basically what he was doing was raping his wife on prison. Or on ghosts. Whatever. Ghost fucking? Right. Ghost fucking. And when I was a kid, I was like, that's gross. That is gross. That's basically what he was doing was raping his wife on prison. Or on prison.

No. On his wedding night. It's basically the Pirates of the Caribbean ride. Right. Where they just chase a woman around to presumably rape her and sell her off as in the other line of fucked up ride. Well, I guess that's better than... Hey, kids.

That's what white slavery looks like. I guess that's better than the girl chasing the guy and he's got a cake like that. Yeah. They delete that from the right. Yeah. I remember. Because the heavy set hooker. Right.

So the deputy, luckily, like a normal person, didn't know what the fuck that meant, because that seems like some weird scumbag by you term for fucking. He said, quote, What do you mean by topping? Did you mean you had sex with her? And Lane responded, yes. So now the deputy's asking some questions, because this is getting curious now. So Lane gives several more statements. At this point, not being advised of his miranda rights because assumably they're

presumably that he's heard it yeah uh now the the trial judge when they go to trial lane does anyway because they have separate trials uh he rules that the first part of the statement was free freely and voluntarily given uh but he also ruled that any statements made beyond his explanation of topping uh would be inadmissible so topping is the cutoff for anything past topping uh he's gonna tell that means fucking anything else he said not not going include that right so only the only that part uh so that was how that ended up happening here uh so june of 1980 is the trial for charles lane he's tried for murder. Surprise, surprise, he's convicted. They didn't buy that he was there to help, and he was just

a superhero in disguise as a fucking rapist and murderer. Superhero's disguise. Shocking. Superhero disguised as a rapist. As a rapist, that's it. He's like, I got my raping outfit on today.

Where was that one at batman this is my rape cape you know i had a cape on batman she just his cape is a big r on the back of it and you're just like that's not right that's terrible holy shit that was awful great man luckily though he is convicted and uh this guy deserves it a you, may certainly fuck off. In Louisiana? Sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. Good. So he's done. Charles Lane, we can put him on a shelf.

He does have an appeal that we're going to talk about, though. But for now, for now, he's on the shelf. For now, he's fucking off. Now he's fucking off. Now we get to the interesting part. The trial of Sawyer, who is the fucking one-eyed bandit over here yeah the uh one-eyed bandit that does not pay off ever never pays out that's the only difference uh witnesses testify here uh that uh charles lane and he assaulted the woman it's basically cynthia is uh test is testifying uh sawyer accused the woman of drugging one of the children there. That was the thing.

That warrants this. In court, obviously, that warrants it. Cynthia, who is now his ex-girlfriend, shocking, she dumped him after that performance. She testified that Sawyer acted completely callous and played Elvis Presley records while he and Lane raped, kicked, and punched her. Which sounds awful to a jury if a horrified woman who's up there or anybody is up there uh telling this horrible story and being emotional about it and being upset by it and then they're telling you that kind of detail you're gonna hate that fucking guy and rightfully so stomping a young woman to jailhouse rock you fucking jerk they also also she talks about pouring coffee grounds on her

uh and before the detergent like he was just pouring shit on her with the water and the scalding water the whole deal uh now uh uh there is a wow okay uh we'll talk about this whole thing here uh this is an article and i can't give you the article title yet because it'll give something away. It's an informal report to colleagues by a guy named Robert Persky. Okay. Okay. So this is like a digging deep, like legal paper, basically, that I found about this case that some guy wrote here. And they're talking about here.

It's not a newspaper article. No, no, no, no, no. This is like a. Undercover, like a journal entry. Kind of, but for colleagues it's like it's like a legal thing it's like a legal brief type thing or like a uh today's equivalent of an intra-company email kind of but it's like it's like uh the case study type of thing of like this is what happened here and like added into this bigger group of shit. Shit you shouldn't have, James. Shit I shouldn't find, but I do because I'm an asshole.

So they talk about here the court appointed. The prosecution is calling Sawyer a sociopath. That's their whole thing here. They say he has an involuntary manslaughter. That comes back up. That's relevant at this point. So they can bring that up in court. The court appoints a, quote, sanity commission, which I find hilarious, sanity commission

of two doctors, each spent less than 30 minutes with Sawyer. They didn't do any tests or anything like that. They just talked to him, and they testified that Sawyer was competent to stand trial, and he was, quote, a probable sociopathic individual and a, quote, sadist. So the defense lawyer at this point, he kind of just went along with it because he didn't have anything to dispute it or refute it. Uh, he did, uh, he didn't do anything to really investigate the mental condition or his background or anything like that. Uh, he said, quote, I don't know. This is what the lawyer said in the,

uh, uh, in the penalty phase later on, he'll say, quote, I don't know what I can say for Robert Sawyer. He is a poor, miserable human being. He's had a hell of a life. He was involved in a heinous act. Like Dr. Armisen told you, he is probably a sociopath. That's what his lawyer said. His lawyer said that. The man's got one eye.

He's got one. Look at him. Now, here we're going to come into this is a weird case because this is a case of i want to strangle the life out of this man uh with my bare hands i want to choke him till his good eye pops out and then fucking watch him take his last breath because this fucking piece of shit you can't have this guy no around you just can't like this anyone who you just can't that's anyone who has this capacity for shit. I mean, that's this is like there's horrible serial killers that people talk about incessantly that didn't.

It's not half as bad as the shit what they did. He just didn't get a chance to do it to a ton of people is the only difference. The jury, they actually tried to the prosecution tried to make him out like a Ted Bundy type. But what ends up happening in this whole thing, it's infuriating because the legal system sucks and I want to kill this guy at the same time. So it really, really racks your brain and makes you crazy. And it's also a little bit hilarious. So a little, a lot of bit.

Okay. So anyway, they did that they they said uh one attorney uh uh jesus christ one attorney in the prosecution just uh described uh uh sawyer as quote being quote awfully slow on the uptake about understanding went on what went on around him so he wasn't very bright we'll just say here uh so the verdict comes down september 21st 1980 they said slow on the uptake slow on a little slow on the uptake uh yeah that's that was and they were like that's fine no worries that's what my uncle used to say to me whenever i did something stupid slow on the uptake boy yeah when i was yeah that's that's what it is so uh the jury is eight men and four women. They deliberate for two hours.

I don't know what the fuck took them two hours. They must be terrible at paperwork because that would take me three seconds to convict this asshole. There's a woman up there going, yeah, I watched him set a woman on fire while another man was raping her. Then he put his fucking feet up and listen to Elvis for a while. I don't know how you're not jumping out of the jury box going, fuck this guy. Did I mention he took the time to boil water? Yeah, he thought about it and was like was like i'm gonna boil some water now that takes a while a pot of water a lot a long time minutes 12 minutes spaghetti lately yeah it takes a while fucking ever it takes longer

to boil the water than it does to make the fucking noodles it does this is ridiculous so uh uh so uh they after two hours they return a verdict of guilty. Thank fuck. Uh, later on, they come back, uh, in the penalty phase, uh, and, uh, uh, they have a penalty that they have, they have thought of for him. And that is you, sir, may fuck off, uh, to the electric chair. Fantastic. They have said they are going to, uh, put him in the electric chair where he just may catch on fire, including

his dick. So under this state's capital punishment law in 1980, the jury that convicts a person must choose between, if it's first degree murder conviction, either death or life in prison. That's what it is. Somehow they chose life in prison for Lane, which blows my fucking mind how he got that out of that. But the trial judge. Yes, he might be worse of that but uh the trial judge yes he might

be worse of a person probably showing up to a people's house you don't know you don't even know these people you just participate in that at least if this guy was like out of his mind and he thought he was defending the kid which that is well beyond defending the kid obviously but also he didn't just snap her neck like steven seagal and be like how dare you kill my kid like she he fucking tortured her that was but they may have a history too you know yes you don't know girlfriend and you don't fucking know exactly what the fucking history is between them yeah lane fucking just pops in is like i'll put my dick in her yeah and then oh what are we doing here setting her on fire cool let's do it sweet the fuck dope fired up kill him too fucking

ridiculous yeah that'd be good so uh uh the weird thing is the trial judge is bound by the jury's decision. Normally the judge has a discretion here, and here they don't, or a lot of states they do. The date hasn't been decided yet. 1982 is Lane's appeal, and he has a number of different, you know, ineffective assistance of counsel. You go down the usual list. One of them was they he contends the trial court aired in introducing gruesome photographs of the victim into evidence. No, no. He argues that the photograph should have been excluded because of their lack of probative value and their prejudicial effect on the jury, which is a common thing we find.

And if you do horrible shit, they're going to take pictures of it. And guess what? They're going to show it to the people who are deciding what the fuck to do with you. I think that's fair. Honestly, guess what you could have done to not have that happen? Not do shit that will be photographed in a fucking heinous, vicious way. How about that? That's something.

It's hard sometimes in a court of law to get across exactly how fucking bad it is that was occurred. Look at that. Right. Yeah. Have a gander. You know how I said she was a little far? You know what I don't mind?

Have a gander at this shit. Boom. There you go. You know what else, too? You can take a picture and show it to a jury of every person I've ever met in my life, and none of them have been on fire. Never. Not from me, anyway.

Not that I'm not on my watch so i don't give a fuck show all the pictures you want so i've never done that uh they say that uh the evidence that my neighbor's bush on fire that's gonna happen it was an actual bush you know what front yard show a picture of that bush yeah it wasn't actually on his body it wasn't this giant 70s right quaff bush it was because i shot a firecracker and it went in his front yard yeah we've all burned down a bush or two let's be realistic here just not on my friend's dick and not that bush we used to make fucking bombs out of packs of firecrackers with the gunpowder when i was a teenager we were lunatics like you know so yeah trust me fire shit yeah we actually

did that when we were children we were i'm not surprised at all yeah that's what you did when you're 13 i want to blow something up right Nowadays, you can't do that at all. But it was charming when I was a teenager. It was a story that you told at school. And they were like, you heard what Jimmy did? He was fucking crazy. It was considered boys will be boys back then. It was one of those things.

I love that phrase. We didn't blow up property or anything. My brother and I threw oranges. Let's get a watermelon and blow it up and fucking hide behind plastic we had an orange tree in our backyard we were throwing oranges at a man mowing his lawn next fucking door that'll never come back to you that's a criminal mastermind right there jimmy you're as much of a criminal mastermind as this these two fucking geniuses we drilled him with them obviously i would hope so he came to my house and told my parents again not shocking everything

you've told me is not surprising i got in trouble but it was a light beating because he told because he told my stepfather the oranges were delicious he told them boys will be boys yeah that's the thing yeah as long as you don't destroy things when you're a teenage boy that's fine kids do that shit. You know what I mean? Nobody died. That's how people used to be, though. We thought there was a fence between us, so there's no way he'll know.

Nah. He doesn't know who lives over there. There's a fence. There's a wood fence. You can see through it. He'll never penetrate the fence and come over here and talk to my fucking parents. We were idiots. They say here, the evidence forming the basis of the defendant's argument is four color

photographs of the victim's face and body after she'd been burned and beaten. While the photographs are unpleasant, they are not so gruesome that they would overwhelm reason. The photographer, the photographs corroborated the testimony of the examining physicians, the pathologist and Cynthia Shano. They also established the identity of the victim intended to show the use of unnecessary force and violence by the perpetrators. Exactly.

That's what they're trying to show. They're trying to show how fucking horrific it was, you dumb fuck. So, shockingly. Four jurors threw up. That's not fair. That ain't right. Well, yeah. They're wondering why didn't fucking you.

Probably bad for you, I would say. If jurors are throwing up, that's a bad sign for you, I would say. You shouldn't have done something that made them throw up, stupid. So they deny this appeal and they tell Lane to fucking hit the bricks. And Lane is done. He is in prison, life without parole. That's it. Fuck off.

Lock the key. Angola, motherfucker. Enjoy. That's a tough one. That's a tough one, yeah. I think he's dead by now Lane there was conflicting reports on his death so it's

possible yeah because I found enough and Charles Lane's a common name and 30 years later I don't know what he looks like maybe he's been raped 40 years later I hope he's been fucking raped God I hope he's been raped and set on fire that's how I hope he died

set aflame while being raped during a prison riot God, I hope he's been raped and set on fire. That's how I hope he died. Set aflame while being raped. During a prison riot. Like a horrible event. Like Adebisi style, too. Like whoever was raping him was enjoying it. Really having a good time, like whooping like a cowboy and shit. That's what I hope happens. My dick's on fire.

Fuck this guy. Yeah. And I don't even, i'm not even okay with prison rape no i don't think we prisons are places we send people we're not sentencing them to rape no like we shouldn't they shouldn't be it shouldn't be a wild jungle in there where people are raping each other and that shouldn't be how it is but this guy sometimes it is i feel like i would assign him the largest rapist you have as a cellmate that's what i'm saying richard speck's ending of his life is fucking beautiful i love it i love everything that happened to him and this is the same thing i hope something terrible happened so may of 1984 uh is uh is uh sawyer's appeal on the other hand here uh assistant jefferson

paris district attorney uh said that the state uh was responding to various defense claims of ineffective assistance of counsel failure to object to certain witnesses lack of preparation and violations of sawyer's right to testify apparently the lawyers told him don't testify which any lawyer worth your salt he's a fucking idiot first of all as we'll talk about and on top of that, he's got an eye that's going over here. He looks like a fucking psychopath. You don't put this guy in front of the jury and have him be like, I raped her, but she gave the kid some pills. I think that's not going to be that is not going to work here.

Your face is already bad enough, sir. Face plus charges equals like really bad for you. Face plus charges plus your words. No, don't do it. Let's not. Don't sprinkle that into the equation. You sit here. You lean back and I'm going to lean kind of forward and shield you from these people as

much as possible. Let's keep you not. Let's make a human wall. Even the report of defendant showed no emotion is still better than defendant laughed or defendant cried. They tell you to show no emotion. Show fucking nothing. That's what they tell these. Remember OJ in court?

They give him pills so he wouldn't show emotion. Absolutely. Fucking literally. They brought him in pills every day so he'd be Xanaxed or valumed or something up. That's why he's just sitting there staring as they say horrible shit about him. Because otherwise, OJ, he would be... He's a lunatic. Well, also, too, he's got a huge ego.

He's a new-go maniac. He'd have been making faces. He'd have been throwing his hands up in the air. Jumping over tables and shit. God, from what I understand, the mock trial, when they were talking about having they were talking about uh uh you know having him testify and they were like doing a mock trial like it's not good no apparently worked out really badly like the phil specter stuff too well he was terrible he was like flirting with the mock prosecutor oh my god no he was like smiling at her shit and it's like he's she's questioning

you about beating and murdering your wife you can't wink at her and you're talking about trying to finger her yeah and you licked your lips what are you doing you're not billy d williams you asshole what is wrong with you so fuck stop saying want to get a gander at your pussy oj don't say that again okay quick oj sidebar real quick i read in a book i read in a book yeah the cocaine cowboys guy, John Roberts book, which is phenomenal by the way. He talks about Mercury Morris, I believe, who was busted for cocaine, selling cocaine. He talks about supplying Mercury Morris with this cocaine. He was friends with OJ. He was a dolphin. Yes, he was. You're absolutely right. I'm like Flipper. Apparently this guy, Mercury Morris brought OJ over to this John Roberts house because

John Roberts is a big Coke dealer and he would just give the NFL players Coke because it was during Super Bowl in Miami. So he brings up the Morris brings OJ over. He said, OJ said, I've never seen a man snort more cocaine in my life. He's like a fucking vacuum cleaner. He snorts it. Mercury left. He goes, OJ's in my house all fucking night, just snorting like you wouldn't believe. Mountains of cocaine. He's snorts it. Mercury left. He goes, OJ's in my house all fucking night just snorting like you wouldn't believe.

Mountains of cocaine he's snorting. He goes, I go to bed. I come out the next day. Mercury's still not there, but OJ's still in my living room snorting pot. He hadn't slept. He'd just been snorting cocaine the whole morning there. He's like, what the fuck? Finally, Mercury comes back to get him later that afternoon, and OJ's like, yeah, man, next time you're in LA or when I'm out here, blah, blah, blah.

And he's like, I told Mercury, never bring this fucking guy to my house ever again. What an asshole. And this was like 1984. And I've got no coke left. And I'm like, wow, that's amazing. He called it. So John, he's like, he thinks he's guilty anyway. Of course.

There you go. Anyway, that's the end of the sidebar. So the moral of the storybar so uh the moral of the story is never invite oj to your co-party because he will snort it all so uh he well there you go that was when he was all mr america at that point so he was doing lots of coke like everyone else in the 80s columbia never have heroes is the is the moral of the story never never meet them never just never have them because they will disappoint you. So they did say that Bill Cosby's a fucking rapist. Can I say anything else?

Bill Cosby raped shitloads of people. Lots. Don't have any fucking heroes ever. Don't have any heroes. Don't have anybody you look up to. Everyone's a piece of shit. Everyone's worse than you. Okay?

Just look at it that way. They're all trying to rape you. Everyone. At least we set the bar low and tell you we're a piece of shit everyone's worse than you okay just look at it that way and they're all trying to rape you everyone at least we set the bar low and tell you we're pieces they all want to rape you and set you on fire that's it everybody except for us we're your friends so the state says they believe that sawyer's representation at all phases of the case was quote constitutionally sufficient which i don't quite agree with as we get into this here uh January 86, Sawyer is set to die at the end of the month. He files his first petition for federal habeas corpus relief, raising 18 items, including ineffective assistance of counsel. The court addressed all of these on the merits and denied it.

They clear the way for the January 22nd execution. So he is sentenced to die. He's all ready to go here. They did say his trial attorney was unqualified. He had fewer than five years of experience practicing law, which is not what you want in a big-time murder trial where you're

clearly guilty in a death penalty case. You probably want a guy with a little more experience than that, I would say. But how are you going to get the experience with guys with one eye and previous manslaughter convictions, I guess? It's a good guy to try for your first one. Fuck it. So there's another appeal here. That one, he ends up getting a stay on that. And there's another appeal here. This is 1988. The Fifth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that Sawyer had a competent lawyer and all that sort of thing.

He argued that his court-appointed lawyer was shitty. As we said, he's still arguing that. Sawyer also argued that the prosecutor at the trial prejudiced the jury by telling the jurors their decision amounted to little more than a recommendation to courts that would review the trial and their verdict which isn't true because the like i said before in louisiana the judge is legally bound by whatever the jury's decision on penalty is uh there was a justice who wrote a 20-page opinion uh and then uh also wrote a 10-page dissent uh someone did uh they said that the prosecutor's closing arguments uh minimize the juror's responsibility for determining the appropriateness of the death penalty. She said she would have granted Sawyer's request for a new trial on these grounds. So there are people that say he's right.

Now, October 8th, 1990, he files a second petition for habeas corpus. They said he's denied due process, all that sort of thing. They said he's denied due process, all that sort of thing. They said he's incompetent to proceed with trial. And the issue of competence competency was raised, like we said, by the Sanity Commission, is what they're saying. They said also that he will remain conscious by during his execution by electrocution and will be unnecessarily tortured. He's not being raped while he's set on fire. So I say he's getting fucking one up on what he what he did to that fucking poor girl. She didn't have the chance to be, you know, not raped while he's set on fire. So I say he's getting fucking one up on what he what he did to that fucking poor girl. She didn't have the chance to be, you know, not raped while she was set on fire.

Can we put coffee grounds and soap on him? Yeah, and some hot water, maybe. They said that his execution will not comport with society's evolving standards of decency. They said that Louisiana's electric chair is riddled with design defects that cause excessive burning. Mutilation imposes a risk of even greater torture in violation of the 8th and 14th Amendments. Harry Connick Sr. doesn't give a fuck. I would say not. Also, they they they're saying that the state hid exculpatory evidence, failing to reveal that its star witness, Cynthia, had been promised immunity in exchange for her testimony, which I'm sorry. At first chance, she got she begged them to stop.

And then at first chance, she got she ran to the first person she saw, told them about it and immediately called the police. She's fucking good in my book. I mean, she couldn't do anything. If she physically tried to stop them, guess who else is right? Or if she ran out of the house. Yes. And guess what? Her kids are in there.

She had to stay and protect her kids. Like there's so many so many things here. I'm mad at her anymore no that's what i mean uh also he has new lawyers here a nick trenti costa and a neil walker and a sarah ottinger uh they pick up the case in 1990 and they start going into his medical records uh and uh they uh they go before the board of pardons here and they have new evidence and their new evidence is chronicled very uh very uh in great detail in that uh article by the robert persky guy i told you about yeah in that article it is entitled robert sawyer his retardation never considered by the courts okay so that's where we're at now.

That is the new evidence is super retarded. Now, we have to say, obviously, that word is not a thing that can be thrown around anymore. This is what they're saying. They didn't. No, this is what the medical people have. This is what the court documents have. This is what they're saying they didn't this is no this is what the medical people have this is what the court documents have this is what they're saying it is a word yes it's a word

and it's a medical word and i'm not i'm not going to say the court thinks he's special that's not going to the psychologist didn't say that he's special or handicapped they're saying that he's specifically has an iq under a certain amount's retarded. So fucking you just heard about arson rape. Right. Grow up. You can live through retarded at this point. So anyway. This is great.

New Mexico State University special education professor Ruth Lackison's evaluation supported the IQ of 68 found in the institutional documents. 68. He's got a 68 iq they're saying uh she described before the parole board his meager reading writing and math skills hovering at the second to third grade level uh he said quote i can do i can do some of them adding and subtracting and subtracting subtracting things but when you put them x's in front of them i can't okay that's what he said uh when you put them x's in front of them when you put them x's in front of them i can't okay that's what he said uh when you put them x's in front of them when you put them x's in front of them i can't so no algebra for him so uh his does he

mean algebra does he mean multiplication i think he just means maybe multiple k i can do some of them adding oh wow i didn't even think algebra jesus christ i gave him way too much credit james the man's retarded medically and legally he is i don't know what to tell you it's for sure multiplication possibly i think it is when you put them line of them dots around it i don't know what the fuck to do with that she also said his quote cloak of competence she talked about that earlier he convinced the parole board that he had been a riverboat pilot and uh this doctor showed that he had lied to hide his retardation is what she says in black and white uh later he became uh like a guilty child uh with an almost endless string of concrete words uh he told the board he was sorry for misleading them so he apologized there for trying to say that he was i'm sorry guys i'm retarded yeah

so they said uh his utter inability to draw abstractions from concrete thinking yeah she gave examples when he was asked what reasonable doubt meant he crushed uh he crushed out his cigarette pointed the to the smoke and he said the smoke ain't uh the smoke ain't reasonable out uh which is not what he meant uh not what she was talking about so the smoke ain't reasonable out not doubt he's never heard the word doubt before i feel like um that his response to do you know what grave uncertainty is he said quote you dig a grave he is super He said, quote, you dig a grave. He is super dumb. Yeah. When asked about the judge's instructions to the jury, he responded with ladies and gentlemen of the jury and no more.

That's the only thing that he remembered the judge saying. His hunger to learn and his guilt because he can't. She talks about she prepped him for the hearing by telling him she must talk about about the things he got wrong and the things he couldn't help. He said, quote, You mean it's not my fault that I do these things? OK, let's back up. Not your fault that you can't multiply. But it is your fault that you raped a woman on fire. Let's draw a fucking distinction between those two goddamn fucking things. I don't care if it's your fault or not. We can't have people raping people and setting them on fucking fire. We can't have that in society retarded sure your brain thinks slower in complex

thought yeah the difference between right and wrong is so not complex especially not is it okay to rape and set people ablaze no it's not kick her in the chest multiple times punch her in the face the detergent boiling coffee ground, you asshole. He said he was relieved by knowing that it wasn't about him. He told her how he didn't understand maps. Wait, you mean I did all that and it's not my fault? What a relief. Can I go home?

All right, so we're good now? That's the most retarded thing he's done all day. Sorry, sir. Sorry to tell you this, but if it's not obvious to you, you are most certainly retarded. Not even medically. I mean, I'm just being a dick. I'm just being a real asshole to you right now. That's how I feel about you right now.

You're a fucking retard. He then told her he didn't understand maps and directions and street signs and how hitchhiking helped because the driver often knew where he wanted to go. His gaps, they said, talk about his memory gaps and rambling statements. He tried to he said he tried to remember setting her Francis on fire, but he ended up describing something about pulling her out of the tub and that Lane tried to drown her. He just couldn't couldn't pick it up. He went off in an almost endless statements about the slope of the bathtub, the position of the faucets and the newly waxed floor, quote, linoleum or tile that was put over the hardwood.

So like, wow, he's very much into fixtures and bathroom things. The specific kind of white trash. Yeah, absolutely. I put that I've been putting I put that linoleum down. It's right over the hardwood. You just slap it right down. Right on that it's pretty good stick right to your floor you gotta stomp on it now don't get me wrong so uh the slip he said the slippery rug and pulling her out of the uh out uh and the rug sliding and and him falling uh with her on top of

him and her being laid out on the couch and covered with a blanket. He remembers all that. He said that just some rambling details. He said he tried hard to sound intelligent and to please authority figures by telling them what he thought they wanted to hear. That's what this lady is saying that he did. They say that he has organic personality syndrome. What the fuck is that? Sawyer possessed a brain damage so full-blown uh psychiatrist alex white read the complete description of the syndrome at the apa diagnostic and statistical manual

uh whoa iii r whatever the fuck that is sounds like a meeting of very smart people and said quote this description reads like a veritable summary of the life history of Robert Sawyer. We'll talk about his history, too. They say that this brain damage, according to this guy, causes poor impulse control and social judgment. Social judgment and setting a woman on fire once again after you've beaten and fucking raped her is not the same thing. That's so far apart. That is way different. In certain structured environments, however,

Sawyer remained appropriate and steady because others helped him to be that way without his being aware of it. In this guy's opinion, the psychiatrist, the damage from the trauma to his head when he was very young caused this. They do say he has a frontal lobe injury. New York University neurologist Oren Davinsky

had data from an MRI talking about a frontal lobe injury. New York University neurologist Oren Davinsky had data from an MRI talking about a frontal lobe injury and also incredible childhood abuse. Affidavits called from relatives say wow. Robert's mother was ill and bedridden throughout her pregnancy but even though she

was ill and couldn't move and pregnant and sick, her husband continued to beat and rape her and would even brag about it to people that i don't know how you quote brag about beating and raping your pregnant wife uh how anybody wouldn't be like wow great and then never talk to you again or stab you i mean fuck i hope so jesus christ man but he had his good points i mean he got the cocoa butter out uh there was a surprise uh a surprise of this whole thing was they didn't realize that back then a lot of they especially if you were poor the doctor when you

were pregnant wasn't a big deal i don't think they had ultrasounds back then either and they ended up having twins uh this was a big deal the mother was very upset about this this was robert and a sister named betty jane okay end up our twins so robert's a twin the mother tried to kill robert uh when he was a baby uh twice oh my god not just once uh twice uh once tried to suffocate him okay that didn't work so that's tough you know we try to use a good mouth breather you try to suffocate that's what i mean you try to suffocate a baby and he's very used to breathing through his mouth that's gonna happen then tried to uh stab him with a fireplace poker wow and injured him okay uh yeah i would imagine it was yes uh so didn't only wanted the one baby and apparently he was not the chosen one

uh when robert was three months old the mother uh uh put a shotgun up to her chest and pulled the trigger with her toe and killed herself so that's pretty crazy his first three months of life he was attempted to be murdered twice and then his mother killed himself she clearly couldn't do it she just said I'll kill me instead

so after the suicide an aunt took his sister but not him, left him with the father who beats and rapes pregnant women, but took the sister. So it's an aunt there. By the way, the sister, Betty Jane, grew up to be a law abiding person, has no problems, no issues, has a family. Everything's fine because she grew up in a normal fucking environment.

Way to go. That aunt is a hero. Roberts became his father's every uh his father took everything out on him uh he was quote horse whipped i don't know what that is but it sounds terrible i guess a horse bridal thing they're big ropes that's fucking terrible uh he bears an eight inch whiplash scar on his leg. He was beaten with farm implements. The scar from a hatchet is on his hand where his father attacked him with a hatchet. He was beaten until unconscious many, many, many, many times, uncountable amounts of times.

At age five, he was unconscious for 45 minutes after, quote, falling off a bike, according to his father. That's what his father said at the hospital. Son's been unconscious for 45 minutes after quote falling off a bike according to his father yeah that's what his father said at the hospital son's been unconscious for 45 minutes you know these kids and their bikes they're always falling off smashing their heads i feel like he maybe punched him and then threw the bike at him threw the bike on top of him and went you clumsy fuck you clumsy fucking retard get up jesus christ uh he couldn't ride a bike he's retarded yes sorry you know how it is another time he was knocked out for quote several hours oh my god several hours after his father said there was a fight with another child so another child hit him so hard he knocked him out for several hours that's children have you know how strong kids are you know kids are known they're like ants they're taking 10 times their strength this is bananas and the dad

did nothing dad just took him to the hospital said yep fight with another kid meanwhile fight with me yeah you know how that goes uh these states uh uh by the way the length of these comatose states uh varied as the father would say them over the years. No medical attention was ever sought for any of these. He never took him to the hospital. It was just like when people are like, why is your kid unconscious? He's like that fell off a bike. He's retarded. What do you expect?

You know, father ridiculed his son for failing first grade twice and being placed in special education, which fucking that makes me mad right there. Number one, he can't fucking help it, obviously. And putting him in special education. See, this is what I mean. I hate the guy. I want to murder him. Now this is fucked up and he had no chance at the same time. And so I want to kill this father first and then go after him.

And we'll go down the line until I don't know, until I've lost my fucking mind at this point because I've seen too much of this shit already. So this guy here uh puts him in special that pisses me off like i said because fucking my son's in special education that pitches just makes me crazy so normal childhood uh he didn't have any normal shit in his childhood they just wasn't didn't play and do things he was beaten and everything else first grade twice he's i mean he's seven years old he's already going through way too much shit he had to do uh quote men's work when he was eight years old like his father put him to work the father was once quoted by a relative as saying quote he's the only thing that's mine and i can do anything i want with him wow uh the father would uh beat him and yell at

him for bedwetting uh which robert did all the up till now. His adult life. He was an adult. No, he did. He was an adult bed puddle. So, I mean, that was a thing that even Cynthia said. One of the aunts stated in an affidavit, quote, if any of Robert Wayne's trial attorneys would have contacted me, I could have told him all about this and testified in court. Wow. So, basically, they didn't get a hold.

They didn't put any of the attorneys didn't put any of this forward as mitigation in the penalty phase. This is the type of shit you tell a jury to not get the death penalty. This is the exact thing that gets you not the death penalty. This is what saves your life. This is when you hear that. When you hear all this, you go, let's put him in prison for life. And then you see the pictures and you go, let's fucking kill him ourselves. And then you hear this and you go, but he's a but it's what i mean this fucking case is infuriating

uh this that little bit of information makes him having a girlfriend so much crazier yeah like he's he's retarded the man's missing an eyeball his airs his airs fucking crazy this is what i was telling you before pissing the bed every night thank Thank you. And he's got a girlfriend. Remember earlier when I said this is just the tip of the iceberg? There's more to this and I don't know how he has a girlfriend. This is what I mean. This is insanity. This is what I was talking about.

This is fucking nuts here. And he's a fucking charmed woman. Yeah. They also, Jesus Christ, they talk about that there was suppression of evidence saying that Cynthia Shano's testimony and a can of lighter fluid bearing his fingerprints were the main crux of the prosecutors, which fingerprints and an eyewitness are pretty good. It's a pretty good case.

During the investigation, I guess the detective interviewed four-year-old Wayne in front of an adult friend, and Wayne told the detective that Sawyer did not set fire to Arwood, that Lane did. But I don't know what the fuck this kid is going to know about this. He also showed the detective that the lighter fluid can that Lane had thrown into a garbage can. I guess there was that also. If that four-year-old saw this shit, how about we get him some help right fucking now?

That's the other thing. We have a Dexter situation occurring right now. That kid is going to be crazy. He's going to be exactly like this fucking kid this is what happened uh uh so wayne told the detective that uh lane put lighter fluid in a in a quote shiny thing you put cigarettes in and poured it over our wood and then quote it went poof he said jesus wayne also said that sawyer quote tried to help the lady but was knocked away by lane and fell into a chair. This is what the defense is saying that Wayne said.

But this was in front of somebody else. This wasn't a this wasn't an environment to question a child to get any of this. Lane may have knocked him over trying to put his dick out, though. You know, yeah. Also, they're trying to say that that new affidavits say that Chano sold her testimony. They're calling it. I hate that they do that for a promise. She wouldn't be prosecuted that she'd been under investigation by the state for child abuse. Yes, because she invites one-eyed involuntary bedwetting manslaughter is in her fucking house.

Who's been beaten their whole life. I think that's normal. The state ended up also, by the way, placing her sons in a foster home after this whole affair. Also, they're saying that Shano actually knew lane and uh had known him for a long time and that they weren't strangers is what they're claiming but we don't know uh the the board here uh the board here uh he goes in front of the parole board and he cries in front of the parole board uh he cries his eyes out he said quote my eye his eye out i'm so happy you said that thank you thank you if you didn't say that i literally was gonna go he cried his eyes out jimmy

thank you for not telling me so he says quote you're sharp he says quote my son will be losing his daddy if you do this. You have to give me a life sentence. I don't deserve to die. Please give me a life sentence. I never meant to kill her. I'm really sorry. It's his thing here.

His attorneys, they were trying to. But you did, sir. One of the people here that is privy to this parole board hearing said, quote, that's pure bull. A couple of psychologists say this stuff and they're ready to drop the sentence. The bottom line is that the jury did hear this before. They heard it all and they weren't impressed. A longtime friend of Francis's also said, quote, I asked to be a witness to his execution. He did such a horrible thing.

I felt like his death was something I wanted to see. They said he was just crying and sobbing, trying to get out of being killed. What about Francis? They always forget about the victim. He then Sawyer said, quote, My own mother tried to kill me twice. I didn't like I didn't like killing. I don't like killing and I didn't mean to kill her. I'm so sorry this happened.

I really don't deserve to die. Well, don't deserve to and don't want to or two different things here. Deserve to die. Well, don't deserve to and don't want to are two different things here. Now, after hearing all this evidence of all of this shit, I mean, honestly, you can't look at that and think that maybe the jury, if they heard that, wouldn't have given him life. That's possible. That's as bad a childhood as you could fucking have. And all of his relatives are willing to testify to this.

They vote to commute the death sentence to life without parole. Really? The parole board does. they do but governor buddy roemer uh in his last days in office ruled that fuck you you're gonna die anyway he overrules the parole board in louisiana the governor can over overrule this board of pardons vote he is vicious vicious a juror does not like retards. Fuck no. He's like, I don't like them. A juror speaks out at this point in the newspapers. He said that he made a mistake. He said if he had known about Sawyer's mental retardation and brain damage during the trial,

he would have never voted for the death penalty. So, by the way, if one juror votes votes for life sentence the judge has to give life has to give life so they has to be unanimous there some some places it doesn't then it goes to the judge here it has to be unanimous got it so this guy said well if it's if it's binding the judge to it it better be fucking unanimous this guy said straight up if i knew about that i would have 100 percent given life in prison uh so uh his lawyers saying, we're not saying he's innocent. We're not saying blah, blah, blah. We're just trying.

We're not trying to absolve his guilt, but we're just saying that his mental condition deserves some consideration. November 15th, 1992, he is moved back to death row. The Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals rejects his latest appeal for a stay. Quote, after thorough review of this case with full consideration of the horror of the murder he committed, I believe the execution of Robert Wayne Sawyer should proceed as scheduled. Was the written statement there. Sawyer was moved to death row. His brother in law, his sister and brother in law came about a half hour to spend time with him.

Sawyer asked to have two bacon, lettuce and tomato sandwiches, a salad with Thousand Island dressing, French fries, a milkshake and chocolate pie as his last dinner. So that's not a bad meal. That sounds delicious. It's a solid meal. It's a decent lunch. I'm going to have that tomorrow. Not bad, right? That's not bad.

Don't die, though. No. November 15th, same day. The U.S. Supreme Court grants a stay of execution to Robert Wayne Sawyer. Listen to this. This is a newspaper article, okay? I'm not joking. How many times did they say it? Angola, okay, is the place.

Quote, the U.S. Supreme Court granted a stay of execution Thursday to Robert Wayne Sawyer just hours before the retarded Louisiana man was to have died for raping and beating his girlfriend's babysitter, then setting her on fire. The U.S. Supreme Court also granted a hearing, but set no immediate date on arguments that it would be unlawfully cruel to kill Sawyer because he is retarded. And it went on and on like that. The Supreme Court.

Capital bold letters. Angola. Angola. That's what it was. The U.S. Supreme Court. Dateline Angola. There we go. There's a retard on death row.

There's a retard on death row. Let's hear the case of the death row retard. We're all going to hear it. So February 25th, 1992, U.S. Supreme Court. This is in the 90s. This is the 90s. U.S. Supreme Court upheld the death sentence. It's the focus.

It was the opinion focused tightly on the standards for federal court review of habeas corpus. And it didn't. It sidestepped the issue of appropriateness of the death penalty for defendants with mental retardation. His lawyer, Sawyer's lawyer, said, quote, it's a terrible decision. They decided it doesn't matter what the mitigating evidence is. That's not what they were looking at. It's a very narrow scope. March 2nd, 1993, Jim Brolin, who's the executive director of Arc of Louisiana, and the doctor from Dr. Lucas and other leading experts, and other leading experts in retardation, went before a newly appointed board of pardons.

For almost six hours, they described Sawyer's retardation, his brain damage, and the MRI results. These are legal documents showing frontal lobe brain damage. I'm Jimmy Westman, retard expert. Here's my car. That's amazing. Retard expert. Is that the fucking job title? Other leading experts in retardation.

I mean, I'm sorry. That's what it's going to be when you grow up, kid. A retard expert. How the fuck are we, you know what I mean? It's okay. The writer talked about patterns showing up in similar cases with persons having retardation across the country. All the testimony was convincing uh virginia arwood the who was francis's mother tearfully pleaded with the pardons board to permit the execution to proceed quote that's a cruel man over there he just left a shell of her destroyed every inch of her they talk about at this clemency

hearing a parole board hearing uh they asked him questions they asked him if he knew what murder was he responded when the breath leaves your body in a response to a subsequent question he clarified it's when you stab someone in the breath leaves the body that's very specific when he was then asked what happens if someone is shot he answered i just don't know uh so i don't know what's going on the what about when electricity courses through your fucking catch on fire for hours catch on fire i think for at least 10 15 minutes a while a while so the new board of pardons votes three to two that robert can be executed uh the new governor edwin edwards which come on really edwin edwards you're gonna name your fucking kid refused to overrule the board the board's vote.

The chairperson of the board told reporters that she was convinced that Sawyer was faking mental retardation. Really? That he's faking. She's convinced he's a big faker. Oh. He's really an evil genius. He's a normal guy with one eye and crazy hair and what's the thing? Crazy hair and can't do multiplication.

He was beating like crazy while he was in the womb. Frontal lobe damage everything else these doctors with their mris and shit fakers fucking wow pulling the wool over his eye yeah over his eye so his attorneys uh say that the majority of officials saw him as a political symbol and no longer as a human being with disabilities. March 5th, 1993, set to die. They reject, the governor rejects the stay. He says, quote, here the question is, is there persuasive evidence of mental retardation? The last time the sentence was considered by the Supreme Court, the court ruled otherwise.

There is no new medical evidence to contradict that conclusion. Under these circumstances, I will not intervene. Tells him to eat dicks. During the execution, about two dozen people gathered for it. It's not a big protest there. Oh, that's the protest? That's the vigil. About two dozen people.

That is not a lot. 24 people. Not a lot of people give a shit about this guy here. His last meal, he has his two bacon, lettuce, and tomato sandwiches, French fries, a strawberry milkshake, and chocolate pie. That is his last meal, which Jimmy thinks is solid. It's not bad. Not bad at all. Last words here are, quote,

I would like to tell young kids who might be reading this that drinking and hanging out with the wrong people will get you where i am sitting right here and i hope nobody else ever has to go through what i have gone through especially young kids i'm sorry for any hurt and pain i they say i caused i have no hard feelings toward anyone i just want my sister my brother-in-law my son all of my family and friends to know that i love them and I'll be waiting on them in heaven. Well, that was a very fucking thorough statement, sir, for a retard. Yeah, he was a really great statement. He had a podium and everything for that shit.

He had index cards. He cleared his throat. And then he finished it with, thank you. You may kill me now. He did like a little thing with his finger, like crank up the teleprompter. Let's do this. I have it. Ladies and gentlemen of the united states of america uh so he became the 194th person executed in the united

states since 1976 since they allowed capital punishment to resume but uh in 1991 the state outlawed the electric chair and he was executed by lethal injection so he did not have his ball set on fire uh as well lucky um that's a fucking what a tale i don't even know what to say about that shit i was reading that and i'm like this keeps getting worse it keeps getting worse that's a real story and it and it makes you mad because you actually think you're like yeah we can't execute the retarded no like we can't fucking do that as a society we can't we have to draw a line to where we go okay we can't do that but at the same time something this heinous you're like fuck somebody kill him right somebody but not the state i don't think i don't know can't can't we just have okay i don't even know what to do anymore

can we get like okay here's what we can do okay yeah like a mob hit man yeah one of these guys doesn't give a fuck he does it nice and clean and crisp right he's been he's been putting quiet like real quiet like he's doing a hundred years on a rico fucking on a rico case we get this guy we go look okay we're not gonna let you out of prison but what we're gonna do is we're gonna make you like henry hill and goodfellas like old school lewisburg uh you're gonna get steaks and we're going to bring in scotch. You can have your own little apartment in here. We're going to do all that.

Whatever their last meal is, double it. Double it. But what we're going to do is we're going to send you around to people that we really can't execute because they're, you know, whatever. And we're just going to have you put a 22 behind their head while they're fucking sleeping. One shot. Boom, boom. Two shots.

Walk away. Have a good one. Everyone's problem solved. No one feels guilty. We're going to give you a gun. Do you understand what we're going to do for you? And then we'll tell everyone

you did it. We'll be like, he's a fucking psychopath and you go, I had to kill the fucking guy and it's fine. Then we'll give you more steaks and scotch

and we'll treat you like it's fine. It'll be beautiful. You'll be the Grim Reaper of this fucking place. That's what we need. Professional Grim Reapers, I think, because I don't know what that's not something that's

not. I don't know. We'll figure it out. It's so hard to deal with that. Wow. Mental problems and mental health in this country is so fucking over. And back then, too. Oh, forget it.

They're calling him a retard in the newspaper. That's what I mean. That's what I'm saying. Fucking bananas. They didn't care at all. It's insanity. They didn't care at all. They don't care.

No, they literally don't at some point in the trial someone stood up and said he's a retard the man's a retard so at some point in the parole hearing you know what happened and they went ah yes it's a good point he is a retard he's un-fucking-believable so uh we i think we set the record for modern day use of that word at this point. But that is Gretna, Louisiana. And that's a crazy case. And poor, poor Francis. Poor, poor Francis, man. I feel so bad for this woman. She went through hell, man.

Went through hell and then two months in a coma also. And what her family went through. That's just awful. So if you like this story, you sick bastards, I know what you can do, you crazy fucks. You can get on iTunes. You can give us five goddamn stars. you can tell us that you love us tell us that your clouds are nice or whatever sandwiches you like give us five retarded stars there you go there you go do that tell us your opinion on executing the retarded there you go in your in your in your uh review

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Holy shit. Okay, just a minute. Let me compose myself. This week's executive producers are Caitlin Stupak. Either way, she's fantastic. Thank you. That's a tough name to pronounce. So cool.

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Oh, I like that name. Or Sanzone. That is not bad at all. That's a good name. That's a very Italian name. I like that. He's suffered much like me. Yeah, he's put through a lot of shit.

We've suffered together, my brother. Courtney Tanabe, Katrin Price, that's what it is. Angel Aguilar wants to wish a happy birthday to Stephanie, who started the Crime Sports Facebook group. Oh, cool. Thank you so much. And I heard that Angel likes blowies on your birthday. That's what I heard. Oh, all right then.

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He or she donated twice. Let's go with a he probably on that one, just a hunch. You don't think the ladies are that much of dicks to do that? I don't think a lady would think of, to call themselves Milk Fart. That seems like something. Maybe Fart Girl. You never know. Well, that's true.

But she didn't call that herself Fart Girl. I feel like Milk Fart is something that a seventh grader made up and then has been calling himself as his alias that for the last 20 years. Possibly. It's probably an atgmail.com for sure. Yahoo. Yeah, it's a Yahoo. Sherry Damerchant. Yes. Carolyn Watson. Allie

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I think that's right. I like it. Or Kaven. Shit. I dig it either way. Either way. I'll take it. Louise Rayfield.

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That's a total white name, right? Todd Crago. Todd Crago, I think so. Todd. We've been fucking batting them out of the park. Outside of Bridges, there haven't been a lot of black Todds. Todd Shaw, too. Black Chad and black Todd, not the most.

Todd Bridges, Chad Ochocinco, other than that, we're pretty much out of them. And Todd Shaw. And Todd Shaw. That's that's my guy yeah that's too short uh andrea uh i said it twice yeah andrea weirsma uh jeff with no last name ariana folsom jay jay mullins uh i think i said amanda brown i did david hadnot sarah felcher no fletcher jesus again why would i do that why would you do that sorry sarah we appreciate it you're wonderful sarah uh megan wilgus i when i wrote that i was like i'm gonna say it you know you're gonna yeah you know and i did roberta byer uh lincoln went wenninger uh kyle krasowski uh i feel so bad for these i i'm an asshole. Sorry. Lee A. Dias, Amber Rachel.

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Thank you. So we know that. That's good. It's helpful for everyone. Billy Bob Archer. Rachel Michelle. No, Amber wanted us to know that. Thank you. Good. That's good. It's helpful for everyone. Billy Bob Archer, Rachel Michelle. No, Amber Rachel. I said that. Bill McClellan, Carrie Summers, Jeremiah Norton, Casey with no last name, Matt Darwin, Ryan

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Thank you. Appreciate it. Liberty Greer. She probably goes by Libby. I knew a girl named Liberty. That's a cool name. That is a cool name, actually. That one in America. There's a lot of Spanish ladies named America, and I dig it. Liberty Greer. She probably goes by Libby. I knew a girl named Liberty. That's a cool name. That is a cool name, actually. That one in America.

There's a lot of Spanish ladies named America, and I dig that. I like that a lot. That's fucking cool. A lot of Spanish ladies named America? Yeah, I know a lot of ladies that are Spanish or Mexican or Latin, Latina, I guess is the So every, you know, a bunch of Spanish ladies all named America and a bunch of all black guys that only went to Brown. Surprisingly enough, I was wrong about that. They went to Howard.

Howard is a black guy. I would have said Howard's a black guy. I was like, what is that true? Yeah, no, no. You just heard Brown. Right. I just heard Brown. And I was like, Brown people for sure. Jimmy low hanging fruit. His fruit hangs low like his nutsack. So I went back to work and i asked the dude i was like you went to brown right and he goes what i was like you went to brown right he's like no man fucking ivy league man i don't know i would still be paying back my student loans 400 grand he goes i went to howard and i was like that's the black college and he goes what and i'm like never mind i gotta go we got an hr. I got to run. I got to go. Never mind. Sophia Duncan, Diablo Conqueso.

I said that. Fuck, where'd I go? Eric Herman, Jonathan King, Jennifer, Jesus, Maycheck Brockman. Yes. Brett with no last name. He's on Twitter, though. He's fucking cool, dude. Yeah, thank you.

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Thank you folks so much. Honestly, thank you. We just love you so much. Thank you. We can't express it. Really, every dime counts so much and we appreciate it. Every dollar we get,

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