Small Town Murder - #81 - Begging For Death in James Island, South Carolina

Episode Date: August 15, 2018

This week, in James Island, South Carolina, a man seeks retribution for what he feels an death worthy offense, and decides to take matters to the extreme, while making phone calls, and asking people whether he should kill the other man, or let him live. It's an incredible story of brutality, and total disregard for other human beings. Hilarious!! Along the way, we find out why these people think a sand castle is a Christmas decoration, how people can sit back & watch another person be taken apart, and how many small wounds can cause a large death!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday!!Please subscribe, rate, and review!Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!Head to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder!For merchandise: crimeinsports.threadless.comCheck out James and Jimmie's other show: Crime in Sports Follow us on social media!Facebook: facebook.com/smalltownpodInstagram: instagram.com/smalltownmurderTwitter: twitter.com/MurderSmall Contact the show: [e-mail] See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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audiences across the country. So don't miss it. The Happy Time Murders. It's in theaters August 24th. This week in the serene town of James Island, South Carolina, an unknown disagreement leads to an inordinate amount of brutality. Welcome to Small Town Murder. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Small Town Murder. Yay! Yay, indeed, Jimmy. Yay, indeed. My name is James Petrigallo. I'm here with my co-host. I am Jimmy Wissman.

Thank you, folks, so much for joining us on another crazy, crazy week. Last week was wild, if you guys remember the lesbian love triangle, which that's always going to be an adventure and that's so fascinated by it i'm fascinated by it and i'm still stuck on the one two weeks ago with the kid and there's still theories coming in about that and we're still trying to kick that case around and then we have to move on though that's the thing every week it's like it doesn't matter we need fresh well fresh blood i guess you could say it's a bad way to put it as a cliche but in this case, it is both

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For the rest of you, for whoever's left out there hopefully lots let's get to this jimmy because i think i know what they're thinking right now and i think i know what they want to say shut up and give me murder do it so let's do this okay let's go on a trip jimmy yeah you ready to rock and roll i am you going on a trip we're doing this yeah i got all your shit yeah yeah all right thank you please your headphones because you leave them everywhere you'll never be able to record is that jimmy i gotta i gotta carry an extra set of headphones for jimmy just in case just in case my phone charger which is fucking so important i can never remember that no that should be attached to your keys that's what they need a phone charger that comes out of your keychain i should have an asshole pocket that's somewhere that i could

reach up inside and just hang it. So ideally you'd be a kangaroo is what you're getting at. That'd be perfect. In my asshole. Well, for now. But if you had a pouch, that'd be easier. You could use your asshole for other things. That'd be nice. You know, like... What I'd do with it all day long. Well, let's go on a trip. Jimmy's asshole aside.

Okay. Let's go on a trip. All the way to South Carolina. we're coming uh obviously not from south carolina we're gonna go all the way to south carolina we're going all the way to james island south carolina james island james island south carolina you fucking egotistical yeah i did i said i i want to lord over an island and then i found out the history of the island and i'm like i don't want to be a white person in charge of anything on this fucking island anymore. I changed my mind.

This island's had a long history of that. I don't think any of them are Italian, but still. I'm too light of a shade to be in charge there, I think, at this point. I'd feel very bad. Even your olive skin is too light. Even it's too light still, I feel like. Yeah, they're going to go, hmm, no, sorry. No, sorry.

It's been bad enough. It's in the central South Carolina coast, right in the middle of the coast here. Lots of little inlets in all panhandles is what we're getting at. Just five million panhandles all down the coast. So you pick your panhandle. This is a panhandle. There's a panhandle across the panhandle from this panhandle. It's just panhandle left and right.

South Carolina's got a shitload of islands, right? Yeah, there's a ton of islands. It's on the coast, and like I said, it's a very kind of panhandly, making a ton of little inlets all up and down the island. It's not a smooth coastline, really, as most of them aren't, except for Florida, because that's unnatural and it shouldn't be there. It's a big dick. You know what we should do?

Big, smooth dick. Big, smooth dick. You know what we should do with that? Remember we were talking about in the desert towns out west how they just put a big hose up and they're like, making a lake now. It'll fill eventually. Let's just do that with Florida. We'll just fill it until it's covered over and then walk away from it.

It's only like a foot deep. I mean, you just basically just grade the top soil off and it's a lake. There's a Mickey fucking Disney character heads floating by. That's all it's going to be. I'm going to be a happy guy. That's what I want right there. Somebody just put a solid boot in the side of Epcot Center and let it roll on down the way. Oh, that would be perfect.

Wouldn't that be great? That would be amazing. We could track it around the world. Where's the Epcot ball today? Well, let's find out. Somewhere out in that Pacific trash pile. I almost said heap, then I tried to say pile, and then I said peep. Peep, and you got neither.

We'll slap a GoPro on that son of a bitch and make a party out of this shit. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Find a new shark out there. Yeah, just send it out there. I don't know where it'll end up. It's going to end up killing some poor bastard in Bali who's out who's out surfing is gonna be crushed by the epcot center ball it'll ruin fucking haiti just everything else that's where it'll end up to half the island destroyed land on some poor fox hot we'll be like oh tsunami epcot came and it's it's just so bad the epcot typhoon took us down

we couldn't help it so it's so silver it's so so so uh two hours to savannah georgia here uh about two hours to myrtle beach those are up and down the coast north is myrtle beach south of savannah two hours each way about five hours to atlanta so if you live in james island you should get your ass in a car and drive and come see us live in atlanta when we're there that's why i said atlanta let's be over there we'll get a cheap plug-in we need to sell these fucking tickets i don't give a shit what you people think about it i'm gonna sell hard they keep they keep plugging the tickets you're goddamn right we're plugging the tickets we need to pay our bills if there are any holes in this show i guarantee you we will plug those holes with ticket if i can reference a city we're going to be and i will trust me uh this is in

charleston county yeah it's right outside charleston south carolina charleston is mainland and we're going to talk about it this used to be part of charleston and boy have they had some fucking battles over it to make it its own town because it's it's an island there's a few bunch of islands out there yeah it's a it's weird but they fought over it. Charleston did not want to let the son of bitches go. It was like their Hong Kong. They're like, we're holding that shit forever. You're not getting it. Well, that's tourism.

There's an island. It's a nice place, too. Look, y'all, that shit's surrounded by water. Go buy a $13 Corona. Anything. Listen to the sales now the food sales gonna be up by the beat we're gonna sell them little little pails with us with a little scoop in it and the flip-flops that come in a little bag with the netting in it now we're gonna sell

you know how many of them we're gonna sell all of us hot cakes hamburgers yeah you know what i'm saying we're gonna sell it all ice cream cones for the youngins forget about it it's gonna be amazing it's an island we want it oh we we want every island anywhere there's water water that's what they put h's in in w words that don't have that don't have h's at all that they do that all the time where was you last night what it's like the Y. They put that shit in all kinds of words, like guns. Yeah, you're right. That is, they make an extra syllable out of that shit. Why are we doing that?

I don't know. Charleston has 120,000 people, so that's a little bigger of a town. Still not like a booming metropolis, but for South Carolina, actually a big city. Not a lot of big cities in South Carolina. Isn't that Charleston? That's Charleston, yeah. Charleston's a big deal of big cities in South Carolina. And that's Charleston? That's Charleston, yeah. Charleston's a big deal down there. They are so proud of that fucking Charleston.

These people want nothing to do with Charleston. They don't want to be called Charleston. They're pissed about their mailing addresses being Charleston. Fuck Charles, we are James. This is zip code 29412, area code 843. Motto is, we're an island. Fuck your motto. Fucking island. There's motto. Fucking island.

There's water. See that beach? Palm trees and bitches and bikinis. Get out here. See the sand? That's your motto. Bitches and beaches. Did you hear that?

Did you hear where there's boobs here? Boobs and beaches. Get down here. So history of this town is pretty goddamn funny. This town settled by colonists, obviously, in the 1870s. James Town was what it originally was. James, two words, town with an E, created in December of 1671. With an E.

With an E, town. They're English. What do you want from these fucking people? Classy. Obviously, the English don't know how to spell words that are English. Just kidding. It's like an ice cream shop how to spell words that are English. Just kidding. It's like an ice cream shop with an extra P and an E. What the shit?

Shoppy. Yeah, I don't want that. That just means you're going to pay $13 for an ice cream cone. It's an extra six bucks for that scoop. For an extra scoop. So $19 for an ice cream. I went to an ice cream place in Phoenix, and there was a guy with a novelty mustache playing with a yo-yo outside.

And I literally stopped and turned around and said, i'm not paying that much for an ice cream cone any place with that asshole standing outside the door eating an ice cream cone with one hand happily getting it in his stupid fucking raleigh fingers mustache and dicking with a fuck this was like a 40 year old man by the way and not a said, no. That ice cream cone cost him $16. And that fucking yo-yo was $59.50. And he's happy to pay that because he's a douchebag. That's a bargain. No, don't think so. He was eating like a weird flavor, too.

You could tell it was like black cherry or something. Who gets that when they go out? That's what you're getting? Like, I get that that's not bad, but that's what you're getting when you go out, you asshole? Anyway. So Jamestown created in 1671. It was populated with colonists from New York, which was with an E at the time,

mind you. Really? New York started with an E also. They didn't like the northern winters. These were the nation's first Jewish people that didn't know they were Jewish. They didn't like the winters, and they didn't like the taxes up there. They were like, the taxes taxes are too high it's very cold up here we're going down south i don't care if they don't like us down there we're catholic we're heading

down there it's going that's that or they were the first italians down there because you know where my dad lives fucking south carolina on the coast why because he hated the winters and the taxes were too fucking nice swear to god exact God. Exact same reason. That's amazing. It's for 400 years. It's been the exact same goddamn. Won't stop. Won't stop. Somebody's moving today right now for those same two reasons.

No, they're like, fuck. The second, every year, I feel like the second it dips below 50 degrees, shit loads of people pack the moving van. They're like, God, I've had it. Fuck this. The first time they have to scrape ice off their windshield, they're like, we're moving. It's over. We'll zillow it when we get down there.

We'll figure it out. Property taxes are $7,000 a year. We're leaving. That's it. I think that's what my little brother pays. Jesus Christ. Six or $7,000 a year in property taxes. That's like half the mortgage of a house here.

It's insanity. Yeah, it's insanity. So that's way off the subject. But there's no existing... Basically, in 1685, there was a survey done, and the town doesn't show up there. So it's not an official town, but people started hanging out there and camping out there. It's a goddamn island. They were smart.

Who's going to go inland? You know how hot it is in South Carolina? It's awful. The difference between an island in South Carolina and inland South Carolina, I don't even know. It's like Riverside and San Diego.

It's the same thing. You wouldn't believe those places are an hour apart from each other. Like, why don't they just go there? It's so much better. It's so much easier for them.

Why are you there? It's so terrible. Is someone keeping you here? Do you need help? That's what I want to do. People of Riverside here do you need help that's what i want to do but people of riverside do you need help get the fuck out get the fuck out people of i don't bakersfield's very similar you're only an hour from la they're a lost cause fuck them they're just they're so hopped up on meth it's not even funny you can't even what's the point

that's real california there's like grapes and shit growing out there in the middle of the field and i don't want any part of that i feel that i've said it a million times but the people that move to california you should have to be forced to live in bakersfield or riverside for minimum a year before you earn san diego or l.a yeah that's a that's the truth grapes or not i don't want to be taken to the rape fields in fucking bakersfield and... No, not happening. So the first Italian Jewish settlers, they weren't. They were very, very obviously

English and white. Also here on the island in 1782, a guy named Tedius Kosciuszko, which is quite the fucking name. He was a colonel of the Continental Army. He led the last known armed action of the Revolutionary War against the British here. Oh.

Also here. Also the Continental Congress named Kosciuszko a brigadier general for his service to the North and all of his shit, basically, in the war fighting the British General Cornwallis. They severely weakened the British that Cornwallis was command uh they uh severely weakened the british that cornwallis was was uh commanding so uh i don't know whatever and that was all just that was the last that was the last stand of the british down here and they were like it's fucking hot i feel like mosquitoes started coming out and they were like let's get out of here this is this is terrible they already knew florida was shit and it's just down the way like we don't need this this is gross uh so also all through the

1800s malaria was a huge down here it's just constant malaria mosquitoes it was the main cause of death for children in the 1800s in south carolina that was the number one cause of child it was fucking malaria unbelievable that's how third world this shit used to be uh obviously the whole world was. Back then, there was no cure for that. The planters would move their families to summer homes out near the beach, like Jamestown, like a place

like that, or James Island here. They would leave the slaves behind on the plantations. Yeah. Somebody's got to keep the shit running. Apparently, for some reason, the slaves weren't affected by malaria. I guess if you're like first, second generation from somewhere else where you have more of an immunity to it. I have no idea.

They've been just exposed to it. Either that or they were just dropping dead and the people were like, they're fine. Everything's great. Half of them made it through the summer. The other half are sick and they're like, things look great here. Everybody's fine. Probably just didn't report that they died. Yeah, that's there.

Jesus Christ. I don't know. He ran off. You see why i don't want to be in charge of this place this is what i'm talking about uh the planter families would return about mid-october like first frost they'd come like okay the mosquitoes are dead that's how dainty these fucking white people are down there they're like first sign of an airborne insect and they're like we'll go we need to go uh mid-1800s is when cotton was this island it took it over everyone was growing cotton the cotton gin obviously made this uh you know cotton became more profitable uh they brought them the seeds were brought here in 1786 and uh but the problem was the timber all the trees on this island were completely removed. So they couldn't.

They just knocked everything down to put plantations down. So they had huge dust storms and they had to they had to abandon the plantation homes because they just made a dust bowl of themselves because they didn't know that was surrounded by water. That's surrounded. You made a dust surrounded. You've made hell on Earth. You fucking idiots. You've taken paradise and made pure hell right you jacks people being forced forced labor and dust you've created like this is biblical shit you've created horrible circumstances you created adam duritz's song in person to pave paradise and putting up a parking that's what you did meanwhile

you don't have asphalt yet so it's just dirt it's it's all it is it's dust and shit uh but the land at that point it kind of you know took everything off so then they started doing sea island cotton they've started growing that which was a finer grade of cotton than the regular cotton that the seeds came from the bahamas at least they that's how they're going to sell it. Yeah, apparently it's a better cotton. It's a more higher quality. I guess it's like an Egyptian cotton type thing. And it was one of this, James Island was one of the largest producers in the south of Sea Island cotton, which was worth up to six times more than regular cotton.

Of course. So this was a big deal. But there was a bunch of floodings and floods and infestations of caterpillars in 1867 and 1868. This is a nightmare. It's a nightmare. I love that, though. That was, okay, the Civil War was right before that. That ended in 1865.

So all your slaves got taken away. Your shit got destroyed. Your crops have been taken over by a dust bowl. You get, reconstitute this. Then all your slaves are gone. And now plague of caterpillars and floods like that. Don't have slaves. That's what that means.

I think the caterpillars are gross and not not like they're fine. Whatever. You don't want that. But if you step on those and now they're just everywhere. That's so gross. That's it's so disgusting. They made a bridge, a bridge over the the water here in 1899 at a caterpillar at a cat just it's all it was was caterpillar corpses and and uh never mind i'm sure something to do with something the slaves did

proclamation yeah that they didn't care about rolled up his stapled them all together crumpled up emancipation proclamation now we don't need this no more this shit i mean none of that we'll just uh lacquer it up wipe our ass with it or build a bridge if we laminate it it'll be waterproof now we can do that uh so uh they the the cotton industry was dying at that point and then the bridge came over uh cars were there they were uh the bridges were made of uh mud and oyster shells a lot of the times which is is that true how you want to build a bridge out of mud and oysters that's true that's well before the cars came and they were like maybe we should

build a bridge but they didn't make a concrete bridge until 1956 i want to see a mud and oyster shell bridge i think they just raised a mud bank like that bunch of beavers i think they basically pretended they were beavers and like we'll just put a bunch of shit up here put some mud on top and everybody just drive across it do you just like take this right over the water put mud in between them and just kind of shellac them i assume they put mud and stacked and then crushed oyster shells as a road probably a cobblestone now i'm in i i'm still not in don't get me wrong i'm not riding i'm not enthusiastic about this endeavor in the fucking slightest but let's you know let's be realistic here but i understand yeah it's it's one of those things uh so then after this they started trying to people still tried to farm the land they grew potatoes and shit like that after

they couldn't grow cotton anymore uh then there was a this place is just hell on earth a boll weevil a boll weevil in invasion beginning in 1910 see how does that get there well it was caterpillars before that now it's these things it was floods but it was the north it was fucking everything on water a boll weevil goes down into the ground so that shit was on somebody's truck somebody brought that in there yeah somebody brought that shit across the mud bridge across mud and shell bridge rolled up into town and infested the whole fucking place boll weevil so this began in 1910 and destroyed the last of the sea cotton sea island cotton jesused that by 1922.

That was completely dead. And the island was no longer farmland. It just couldn't fucking, it was just destroyed. They couldn't sustain it because the white people are too dumb. They fucked it up themselves multiple times and then nature took over

and also fucked them in the ass. So they've done themselves no favors and they've received none. So that's how it goes. Praise white people. That's all it was. It's ridiculous. So it was a semi-rural area then.

They don't like here, too. This place, they consider themselves a small town. Even though Charleston is right there. They still, that this is a small town and Charleston's not part of us and fuck Charleston. like right there. They still that this is a small town and then they don't. Charleston is not part of us. And fuck Charleston. It's like Chicago.

Like we live in Chicago. We work in Chicago. We work in Chicago. We eat in Chicago. We root for all the teams. But I fucking hate Chicago. Like the suburb of Chicago last week. That's how I feel.

And everybody tweeted at us going, that's exactly how it is. I'm like, what can I know? Trust me. My in-laws are from suburban Chicago. They fucking hate you. It's funny. They like like it but hate it so uh uh the uh these people here on uh uh they they tried to get away from charleston here on uh january 8th 1993 they incorporated they elected a mayor they did all that shit so charleston filed a lawsuit saying that parts of the town were not all together. There was separated by a salt marsh.

And they said that the salt marsh was already incorporated. It's insane. They're arguing over a fucking salt marsh. So the city of Charleston wins. And then the town appealed. And then the Supreme Court ruled against the town in 97. So then they did it again. The South Carolina legislature changed their laws. Then they incorporated again. So then they did it again. The South Carolina legislature changed their laws.

Then they incorporated again. And then they it's insane. They were fighting over an already annexed salt marsh. Who gives a shit? Exactly. That's what I said. Sahara Desert fart factor the fucking week. Anyway, this shit went back and forth.

Why are they doing this? Dude, this shit went back and forth until 2008. Get the fuck out of here. They elected like four mayors and back and forth until 2008 get the fuck out they elected like four mayors and then they got kicked out of the office because then they weren't a town anymore and so they file another thing and then they were town again and they weren't it's fucking ridiculous so after like five times finally charleston lost a lawsuit and uh the supreme court ruled against the town of james island in june 2011, and then they reincorporated in 2012.

Anyway, 2014, Charleston finally gave up. After all this time, 21 years of fighting over this horse shit, they finally said, fuck these people. Let them have their fucking town. God damn it. It's about the time that Hootie became big in country music, too. So they probably were like, fuck it. We got Hootie.

Who cares? They can have the beach. We got Hootie from the Blowfish. Let them have their fucking beach. They're good. I don't know about that Hootie, but them Blowfish are good. Them boys are good. They can play.

So people from this town, Stephen Colbert spent a good amount of time in this town. At least that's what they advertise. He spent some of his childhood on James Island. Oh, for Christ's sake. And attended the elementary school near there. And he talks about Charleston a lot, actually. I've heard him say that. So he's familiar with the area.

Roddy White, the Falcons wide receiver, is also. Oh, is that right? Yeah, he's from here also. He's from the island? He's from the island. How about that? Yes, he is, apparently. And apparently George Gershwin is buried here who the fuck is that the composer i don't know

gershwin no you don't know who fucking gershwin is fucking do i look like i know who gershwin is you you are almost 40 years old i'm sorry at this point you are that i don't know who he is i'm even more shocked that you think that I would know the fuck that is. Just the small amount of culture that would leak into your brain just on references from dumber things. I thought you'd be like watching a sitcom from the 80s and they would reference Gershwin. Maybe you fell asleep with an episode of Frasier on one time and he was mentioned. I'm not sure. It's possible.

But at this particular moment, I'm not pulling shit out of this dumb head. That's fucking wonderful. That has anything to do with whatever the fuck Gershwin is. That makes me so happy. What did he compose? Lots of shit. Let's move on. Let's just move on.

I'm going to say things and you're going to go, I've never heard of it. I think we've got the bit down with just the one oh god what year is he from a long time ago dead he's dead dead dead no he's not that long ago actually 1800s no we're moving on population of this town i'm gonna google this now you i was gonna say you need to this is what i'm doing i'm not gonna give you the information i'm gonna leave you curious and then you're gonna read it on your own this is how was going to say, you need to. This is what I'm doing. I'm not going to give you the information. I'm going to leave you curious and then you're going to read it on your own. This is how I'm going to teach Jimmy to learn. This is going to be good.

Because otherwise you're just going to drop nuggets of Gershwin into this fucking thing. I'm teaching a man to fish right here. This is what I'm doing. I am teaching a man to fish. Jimmy, let me show you how to tie up that lure, buddy. You can do this well. It's no problem okay so uh people in this town uh populations 11,789 so not not that big but for a tiny island a lot uh median age here about 48 so it's older kind of a little more affluent little

older houses are a little more expensive about 50 married all the all the rates pretty similar to normal, which is weird because it's an older crowd. Normally, it skews differently. Did you say how big this island is? It's weird because it's not all together. That's why Charleston sued them because there's a part of it here and then it leaks over there. So there's really... So the salt marsh is between the two? Yeah, do you count the salt marsh?

So literally, it just says it's kind of disputed how big it is. So I'm not going to get into the middle of their horse shit. Because otherwise they'd have to claim that body of water that separates the two pieces. I'll tell you what, whoever knows more about Gershwin wins. They should just pick a representative. So about 82% of the people here are white, which is a lot for South Carolina. 13.6 percent black 1.1 percent asian uh 1.1 percent hispanic so that is very low on the hispanic factor because it's

normally about 17 percent it's essentially black and white it's black and white just like a lot of the south about 58 percent of the people here are religious which is it's the south yeah that's about to be expected it's actually probably low than you would think, but it's an island. So these people, a lot of them are from the north. They've abandoned their religions back there with the cold weather and their shovels. Almost 13% Baptists because they are the Catholics of the south

as we know. There's a shitload of them. 1.3% LDS. They're on the island, guys. Watch out. Once they get on there, start knocking on doors. It's all those Asians. They're never getting off. It's those damn asians uh 0.07 percent jewish that's uh fleeing from the north and uh 0.03 percent islam so not a lot there uh voting wise south carolina very heavy republican state very heavy red uh this island actually about 51 percent democrat okay so this is a different this is a different vibe from regular South Carolina.

This isn't like hillbilly South Carolina, as you would think of it. That's not really factual, but as you would think, like normal, whatever. So unemployment rate here is about 4.5%, which is a little lower than the national average. Median household income, $62,301. So it's about $10,000 more than the national average. So a little bit higher there, which it's a little older, too. So you're going to get usually people making a little more money. It's also an island, and it's fucking expensive to live on an island.

That's the other thing. There's limited space. It's a fucking island. Unless you want to live on the salt marsh or the mud oyster bridge. Pony up, asshole. So retail trade is kind of the big job here because there's a lot of tourists and a lot of people coming. A little more healthcare jobs because of the older crowd.

Cost of living in this town overall, 100 is par and regular average in the nation. Can I put a guess? Do it. I'm going 135. 116. I was close. That's not bad. It's not bad, actually, because the housing, though, is high.

The housing is $143,000. So you're very close there. Usual is about $216,000 is the average in the U.S. Here, $309,900. So a little pricey on the homes. A lot of homes between $200,000 and $300,000, about 41% of the homes. So you're going to get that. It's retireable.

That's what people come down here to do because that's what it is down there south carolina is low taxes so if you have a fixed income with a little nest egg it won't eat away at it with that sort of shit smart marketing for their government it's not bad but to get a house it's expensive as we'll find out with the james island south carolina real estate report Carolina Real Estate Report. Two-bedroom apartment in this town, or two-bedroom home, whatever it is here. That was going for about $1,560. Okay. So that's, you know, nothing out there.

It's a little steep. It's a little higher than the average, but that's an island. What do you want? I found a three-bedroom, three-bath home. It is 1,500 square feet. Looks fine. Nothing special about it, but it's a nice little house. $329,900. It's built sturdy, though, too.

It's built sturdy for the herd. It's going to stand. It's going to stand up to some shit. Also, a three-bedroom, two-bath, 1,740-square-foot house for $335,000. That's kind of both in that ballpark. They're different style homes. Check them out there. I'm like a fucking real estate agent now.

I put together a couple different options here. We have more of a beachy one, and then here, this is more of an inland. We all like to sleep together. We've got these 30 bedrooms on the same side of the house. Oh, it's going to be. You're going to like that. Right. So I found a five bedroom, three bath, and a half bath, 4,000 square foot brick, really

nice old school southern fucking house. Slaves died here. Oh, boy. There are slave ghosts included in this property. That is in the price of $1,080,000. Wow. A little pricey.

Yeah. A little pricey. Nice house, though. Slave ghosts. Be careful. I'd love to see that house. It's not bad. Yeah.

It's not bad. Things to do in this town. The main thing to do here that they love is the holiday festival of lights they're super into this shit they always are opens november 9th goes to january 1st rain or shine every evening they don't give a fuck they will turn those lights on yeah uh it's a driving tour and they invite you to park your car and explore oh a magnificent sculpture made from over 50 tons of sand. Kids forbidden. Well, that's that's what I. Yeah, that's once again, kids under 18 cars and explore.

You know what we mean? Entertainment is blue. It's real old school. All the lights are blue on the cars and shit. And nothing makes me think Christmas more than a sandcastle. That's what I think of when I think Christmas. Mouthwatering treats

from Santa's sweet shop. Oh, boy. Jesus Christ. Visits with Santa Claus. A Victorian carousel. Holy shit. Get there. Crime rate in this town.

Property crime. That whole thing sounded so horny, by the way. It sounded, yeah. It sounded like we were... That's what I mean. It's all code. They really don't want kids.

It's all euphemism babe that's what it is that's all we're all fucking down here on the beach don't you dare bring them kids around all the restaurants open you can fuck in the boots you just buy something they let you fuck all over that you ever felt your ass cheeks stick to vinyl it's pretty good the formica let me tell you what the the feeling of formica on your butthole when it sticks to it. You know what I'm saying? When you get that suction, you get one of them. It's good. Do you ever take that loofah and pull it off the shower? Oh, I know you have.

That suction cup. That's what your butthole will sound like. Right off that baby. You know how that is. That was good timing. Well timed. We could sing the lollipop song together. Crime rate in this town.

Okay. Sing the lollipop song together. Crime rate in this town. Property crime is slightly lower than average. So that's a small place. Where are you going to go with people's shit? You're going to go 10 feet over there. I see you have my shit. Violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, assault. The Mount Rushmore of crime is slightly higher than average. So they're frustrated that they can't kill you or they can't rob you,

so they will murder you where you sleep. So be careful about that. Watch out for that one. Otherwise, they have to haul ass over that mud and oyster bread. Oh, God. Christ knows if that thing's sturdy enough. You're slipping off the side of it. Just kill the witness.

Just going down in the water. Just kill anybody that's seen you. Just kill everybody if you can. It's an island. There ain't that many people. They don't know. So let's talk about. Just kill everybody if you can. It's an island. There ain't that many people. Hell no. So let's talk about some murder here, if we can. Let's talk about some people in this town that have an interesting relationship with murder.

Let's first talk about a William O. Dickerson. Not O. Dickerson. He's not an Irishman. Middle name O. Middle name O. Last name Dickerson. He's actually a black fellow yeah this guy uh william o dickerson uh his this guy jesus christ he has a son and uh obviously names him william

o dickerson jr obviously clearly so as you might know or may not know if you have not listened to crime and sports uh inordinate amount of people and crime and sports have either are juniors or named their fucking kids junior we don't know what it is but it's like crime follows it it's 80 percent of it so we've told everybody do not name your kid junior you can name them your first name that's fine but don't junior them up don't give them a number don't slap a second on it and thinking you're gonna fucking fool the system that way either. The world can tell. The universe knows. And you will be, trust me. The rules don't just get bucked.

They apply. They apply and your child will be in prison someday. So you want to avoid that. Or you will. Or you will. And William O. Dickerson has a long history of crime, both violent and nonviolent. He's hitting both the stats for this town. He's really working it, which is impressive.

He's driving them up. He's driving up numbers. He's like a guy in a basketball game where you go, that guy's filling up the box score. He's got rebounds. He's got assists, points. He's really working it over here. Got himself a petty larceny. Oh, look at that.

Well, he got more than that in 1996 when he stabbed a man to death. Holy shit. That's William O. Dickerson Sr. Self-defense? No. Well, I mean, it might have been self-defense. The court called it murder. Unfortunately for him.

I'm sure his defense was self. He might have said it was self-defense. The jury disagreed, unfortunately, for him. And they declared it murder. And then sentenced him to life in prison. Holy shit. I hope it wasn't self-defense. Good night, everybody.

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What do you think that son's going to be? Do you think he's going to be a good upstanding guy? I think he's going to go visit a billow dick over there in prison. I think you're right. So probably. He had a very good advocate. Dick. Yeah. They're in prison. I think you're right. So probably that's a good. That's a good. He had a very good role model here. This this William Dickerson him and telling me sorry.

And he's going to go live his life, paying the penance of his palm and and and reap the benefits of paying his debt to society. I think he will. He's going to go. You know what? I think I'm learning a lesson from my dad's situation. He's sorry. Genuine remorse. I I think I'm learning a lesson from my dad's situation. He's sorry. Genuine remorse.

I have learned that it is not good to bury a knife in a man. We made him pretty white. But he's still from South Carolina. That's fine. I feel better doing that accent if I did some weird southern black guy. Some stereotypical southern black guy. I feel like that's racist for some reason. Again, I feel like I'm too white to do that.

Both rule over this island and make that accent. And the closest I'm going to get is Andre 3000, big boy or ludicrous. And you don't want that either. If he was a New York black guy, like Estevez Jones or something, I'll fucking throw that down like crazy because I know those guys. So if anybody has a problem, I'll be like, fuck you, that's accurate. That's my boy. I fucking know that dude.

I mean, my friend. Yeah. Jesus Christ, you can't say that. You can't say that. Ladies and gentlemen, my co-host, Andrew Jackson, with his accidental racism. Love the daisy. It's wonderful. So here we are in South Carolina, the perfect place for both accidental and blatant racism.

So both overt and blatant racism. So both overt and not. So Dickerson Sr. here stabs a man to death, is sentenced to life in 1996 down there. He ends up in the Lieber Correctional Institution where he dies in 2001. Well, I'm glad we knew him. Well, serving a sentence of life for murder. So this is dickerson

jr's role model yeah which is uh you know it's not the best i would say dad is a criminal his whole life lifelong criminal who dies in prison after stabbing a man to death had five years though to really soak it in and see him in prison and really learned his lesson take in that environment for later dates so it'll feel good for him it's just it's just a fucking mess here so uh dickerson jr was born in 1977 uh this guy just arrest record out the ass he's pretty much just it follows in the line of his dad uh he did not have a good upbringing and we'll hear later from some of the members of his family talking about exactly kind of what kind of shitty upbringing he had and possible kind of mental defects and things like that he's there's another problem with him though this is the main problem because a lot of people had shitty upbringings we had shitty upbringings terrible you had terrible

upbringing the way world goes it happens people have shitty upbringings you overcome that but uh you know he had a obviously a leg up with his dad being a violent criminal and uh who knows what his dad did to him when he was a kid to cause him to be a violent criminal and uh who knows what his dad did to him when he was a kid to cause him to be super violent and all that sort of shit super loving so i'm sure he came home gentle gentle as a church mouse i'm sure he was like the ice man like luklinski when they were like he was the sweetest guy in the world he was so gentle as i'm sure that's just what he was killed a man and came home and built a fucking wagon well built a dollhouse actually i like how the dollhouse triggered it.

He's so frustrated. He's like, I got to go talk to that fucking guy. Goddamn dollhouse. Which I've been there. If I had a man to kill when I built a Barbie dollhouse for my daughter when she was five, I would have murdered him. Some Lego set with your son. Oh, my God.

Those are a fucking nightmare. I literally just go, I can't do it. Because he gets pissed off at me. Because he's like a savant with this shit and he's he does it like at hyper speed like it looks like he's in fast forward and if i grab a piece and he's like oh for quick you're behind like i'm just so far behind him three steps ago i'm slowing him down he's standing there with three pieces in his hand waiting for me so he can put them in place real quick like it's over there to the right like he's so mad i don't even fuck with

that with dollhouses they'll make you kill a man in a car on christmas eve you put a fucking an elevator in one of those things before the the screws for it first of all no no jimmy fuck you barb i'm having flashbacks barbie you twat you fucking asshole and barbie's so goddamn tall that this shit has to be huge too it's got to be three fucking floors she's got to have a bathtub in a fucking media room for christ's sake barbie she had that huge elevator with the rope thing right that thing was ridiculous it's absurd it's the dumbest thing my daughter enjoyed it though skipper should have had a house i could have built that fucking thing that'd be half the size yeah that's the thing i fucking skipper we didn't have that we had when we were kids what we have gi joe and all the shit was put together it was put together there was a truck

that came he had right he got castle gray skull you plop it down on the table there's castle gray skull came together pow you might have to snap the door into place or something but outside of that what do we have wrestling figures there they came together you throw on the floor and there's a ring and you plop that down holes in them You put your fingers in them and fight them. It's so easy. Those were fun. The thumb wrestlers? Yeah.

Oh, they were good. Those were great. Those were fucking terrific. Fucking where's the parts for that? None, goddammit. You know why? Don't have to put shit together. Because boys are simple.

We are. That's what it is. Girls, you complicated fucking mess. I put together, I can't say that. I put together terrible things for my son, too. You know. But girls have, It is more complicated. Well, girl toys are always more complicated.

Boys toys are only complicated when you when you get them something that like is it's like or like it's some sort of robots and shit. Those are like some sort of athletic thing. Like I got you a basketball hoop. Yeah. Fuck. Now I have to put together a basketball hoop. Where's my fucking socket?

Shit. God damn it. You know what? I kind of like your sister better. I never had to get a socket out to put a fucking Barbie house together. I never had to dig a post hole and fill it with cement. So this is better. And then you forget digging that post hole and setting that post and putting that cement

in there. That keeps him occupied for fucking hours. Oh, yeah, yeah. Because then they have to wait. One day of building a Barbie house and then she plays it for an hour. And then yeah, yeah, because then they have to wait. One day of building a Barbie house, and then she plays it for an hour. And then she's like, fuck it, I hate it. And she sets it up, though. And then that basketball hoop's there until the basketball hoop falls off,

and now you've just got to post there until it russes off the backboard. So Dickerson here, his hoop long rusted off of his backboard. He has quite the arrest record, like we said, just like his dad. In 1998, he is convicted for assault with intent to kill, which is not a great thing. And he also spends a little time in prison with his dad, which is really sweet, I got to say. That's what you want to see there. You want to see fathers and sons bonding yeah uh together over violent crime i feel like if it's got to be anything whether it be a baseball game or say a stabbing or a murder or he tried see the problem was is dickerson jr he

didn't get the job done right it was assault with intent to kill the dad was like i stabbed that motherfucker to death see the difference impressed with. See the difference how that works here? You fuck up. You fucking asshole. I knew you were worthless. Worthless. Fucking useless. I'm glad I left.

You know what? I'm right that I'm right. I was right to leave when you were six months old. I could tell. I don't know what took me so long. I could see it in your eyes. Piece of shit. So Dickerson Jr. here, this poor guy.

Well, he's not a poor guy, but when he was a kid, he was a poor guy. Unfortunate soul. But now he's an unfortunate soul. By 2006, he's gone from poor guy to just kind of an asshole. Now he's almost 30 years old, and he's just been in and out of prison for violent crime. Now he's just a dickhead. And now you've got to try to live a life after that. Yeah, circumstances don't matter at that point.

At that point, once you're 30, when you're 18, when you're 19, even when you're 21, if you haven't done much and that happens, I mean, you look at someone and you go, fuck, man, they never had a chance. Maybe if they had a reset, whatever. But when someone's 30 and they just have been doing this and doing this, they're probably just shitty. Probably just a shit bag. Probably shit people.

And we've talked about people like this pretty much. Well, it's like half the episodes. Half the episodes, like a lifelong criminal's an asshole. Sometimes a lifelong criminal gets killed. You never know that. Sometimes it's like an accountant with three kids and everything's fine and they just snap and go crazy. Lose their mind.

Like that Burlingame Kansas, that guy. Like, let me slaughter my whole family on Thanksgiving. Was that the guy in the trailer park? No, that was the one that's jesus christ jimmy that's that's like 38 of the 38 trailer parks are the junior of small town murder that's what they are that's there's as many trailer parks that should be part of the drinking game if it's in a trailer yeah have two shots two of them two and and and sit back and get comfortable because you're going to have more. No shit. So he's in and out of prison.

He gets out for the assault with intent to kill in the early 2000s. And then he's back in and out of prison again and again and again. He comes in. He's out for a few months. He goes back in. That's his whole adult life, this Dickerson Jr. That's the system. That's the system, yeah.

And especially for this guy he's i meant to say too like i said he's had all these things leading up to it and you go fuck there's uh you know bad childhood and he spent time with his dad in prison he's had all of these problems also i failed to mention really really into coke and crack oh boy loves crack a lot uh to the point where he goes like on like a crack psychosis like he's uh i mean he'd rather have coke he'd rather have coke but i feel like well at this point it's only cracks gonna well the coke's not gonna cut it anymore either he needs the rush of the crack the coke isn't gonna do it anymore he's like no no no no no no i need

to i need to smoke this out of a tiny i need a a flamethrower, not even one of the light bulb and a torch. This is going to work. So that's another seniline bottle. Yeah. Well, when you mix all of these things, the shitty childhood, the history of violence, and then a crack addiction on top of it, you are talking not a stable mental person and probably a dangerous person i would say somehow he has some sort of life here he has a girlfriend as of 2006 he has a girlfriend uh he's

living at a an apartment complex with some of his relatives after he gets out of prison uh in late 2005 so i think it's like october 2005 he gets out of prison, and he needs to have a residence to report for parole and all that shit. So he moves in with his relatives here on James Island, South Carolina. So he has a friend of his, a guy named Gerard Roper. Now, these guys have known each other forever. Apparently, they've known each other since, like, early childhood, elementary school. They've always been friends, and at points in time, they've been best friends at different points in time. You go through friends, hang out with this guy every day, hang out with this guy, kind of that sort of thing.

Is Gerard a pretty good dude? We don't know, really, but there's hints of – he's a kid. I mean, not even a kid. These people are 30 years old, so I shouldn't even say he's a kid. They're adults. They're kind of rudderless, I would say. I mean, I don't know about Gerard's, we never do hear about his criminal history, but he, I don't know, if any at all, obviously, but they're just kind of, I mean, they like to

play video games and dick off and they do drugs here and there, but I mean, they're just a little, if it was 10, if they were 10 years younger, you'd go, I don't know, whatever. They'll find their way. They'll find their way, but they're 30 and it's like, they haven't found their if it was 10, if they were 10 years younger, you'd go, I don't know, whatever. They'll find their way. They'll find their way. But they're 30 and it's like they haven't found their way. They're still working on it. It's taken a while.

His compass is broken. That's the problem. Yeah. He's just floating across the salt marsh. Yeah. Fucking wandering through. So this is since childhood on March 6th, 2006. Now, like we said, Dickerson's living with relatives in an apartment complex there in James Island.

This morning, Roper goes over to his friend Ben Drayton's house. He goes over there to play video games. So it's a morning, and this guy's a 30-year-old guy going to play video games at his friend's house in the morning. Which, this isn't like... Where's your job, motherfucker? Yeah, this isn't like, hey, it's been a long day. Come over tonight. We'll have a couple beers and play some Madden.

That's not what's happening here. Not just one dude wears your job. How about both of you fucks? Everybody. Everybody do something with your life here. It could wind up that this is both their day off. You never know. This could be Sunday.

Right. Given the benefit of the doubt. Yeah. Okay, fine. Maybe they work at night. Probably. You don't know that, Jimmy. You don't know what's

happening maybe it's night shift they just got off of work and oh boy you can't go to sleep right when you get home from work all you can do is play video games we just stocked the shit out of that walmart oh dude i put everything on those shelves man dude there's so many tampons it's fucking awesome bags of dog food i threw tonight i'm exhausted that old roy or whatever that horse shit is they sell roddy just got. Let's go play the Falcons. That's better. So Dickerson goes over to Ben Drayton's house. They're playing video games around the same time.

This is they hang out for a little while, play some video games. Dickerson or Roper? Dickerson. Roper's not here yet. There's just Roper's a good friend of his that we talked about. The only people here now are Ben Drayton and uh dickerson i'm on board okay so willie dicks and uh bendra and ben drayton okay now willie dicks is that's i think that's what we're going to call him billio dicks billio dicks so billio dicks here he uh he also goes after that to his friend antonio nelson's house

and he asks for a ride to his brother's house. His brother's name is Armand Dickerson, but better known as Bubba. He goes by Bubba Dickerson. Is this not related? No. Bubba Dickerson, you better play offensive liner. I'm going to be real fucking disappointed in you.

Put it that way. But Armand Dickerson's house he's going to. That's his half-brother, I believe. So Billy-O-Dtonio nelson for a ride to bubba's house bubba dick's house jesus there's so many people so many people do we have everybody straight okay roper not involved from draper's house from drape draper what he stopped at drapen's house played some don draper is not involved in this so we do make a lot of mad men references too that's funny we get called out for all the wire references there's really a lot of mad men

references as well mad men fucking deadwood mad men deadwood great outdoors it's it's a lot uncle buck comes up quite a bit it's it's a lot it's it's a lot it's just too much it's too much and if you don't like it you can suck my wake that's what you can do oh baby more and more and more great outdoors give it to me let it rain upon me like the gristle of the old 96er so uh ben drayton he's still at his house. He stays at his house. Okay, let's follow Michael Dickerson or William Dickerson. Billy-O-Dicks. We follow him to Ben Drayton's house.

He plays video games. Let's say he loses a couple games. He leaves his house, leaves Ben Drayton behind. Goes over to Antonio Nelson's house. Says, can I have a ride to Armand Bubba Dickerson's house? Okay. Now that's, I think, we got that. Now, Nelson at the time, Antonio Nelson, was unable to give Billy O'Dick's a ride at that time,

but told him to come back later. Okay. He said, come back later and I'll give you a ride. Can't do it right now, though. Got mad shit going on. Yeah. As you know, very busy day trading. I have a lot on the line. If I

miss the trade, I'm going to miss the out and then I'm fucked and I'm stuck with this shit. Didn't you watch the Super Bowl last year? E-Trade is huge right now. You don't want to get stuck with that much Tesla on a downslide. You know what I mean? It's 06. The fucking economy is about to take a shit down. It's about to take a sell.

If he sells, sell Antonio Nelson. So he's not day trading, I'm sure. I'm sure he's in the middle of a game of Call of Duty or some shit. I don't even know if they had Call of Duty in 2006. If nothing else, he's for sure on PS4 or 3. 2. 3 didn't come out until later. He's playing San Andreas, baby.

This is embarrassing. Yeah, that's right. He's got the jet pack, though, which is really exciting. We don't have that anymore. He has a code to turn off the fucking stars. That's the best. So he tells him, come back later. So Dickerson, Billy O. Dick, shrugs his shoulders.

He says, I'll go back, play some video games. Goes back to Drayton's house. Dicks around a little bit. Couple games of Madden or whatever the fuck. Leaves there. And then later on comes back to Antonio Nelson's house looking for that ride. He hasn't been

able to put a ride together since. That's his solution. A man's fucking 30. You are 30 years old. Someone says, can't give you a ride right now. Come back later. He goes, I'll wait. Nope. You should be able to procure a ride somewhere. You should either be able to afford to have someone to drive you if

you can't or have a car right or a friend that's willing to or one of those relatives you live with somebody where was uber god damn it that's true not out yet well the problem with uber and we'll find out what uber drivers won't go through a fucking drive-thru they won't get a medium fry. So what Dickerson requires from this ride is way above. There's some cab drivers that would do this shit. Probably if you gave him a cab driver, I feel like would dig a hole for it to bury a body if you threw an extra 20 on the tip. You betcha. I feel like 20, 25.

They've been having a shovel in their hand ready to go. 25. All right, fine. And they're fucking digging. They're going right away. I swear to Christ. They'll find the water table before they quit. We've talked about that.

You could literally ask a cab driver, you get some Coke, you will have Coke in 10 fucking minutes. You'll have hookers, anything you look for. Look in your door panel, sir. Cab drivers tell Uber drivers, like, this is my car. What the fuck are you talking about? My baby seat is in the trunk. I own this vehicle. My kids drive is my car. What the fuck are you talking about? My baby. I own this vehicle.

My kids drive in this car. You stop smoking crack in here. Cab drivers like I don't give a fuck. Five extra bucks to smoke crack back there. Sure. Can't give you one star fast enough as a rider. That's what I'm saying. Cab drivers don't give a shit.

So Dickerson comes back again. Billy O. Dicks makes another return return but when he returns this time uh for the ride he's also got a gun with him now so he didn't have a gun before he just wanted a ride now he's like all right i need a i need a ride and i'm packing heat yeah so once again imagine imagine getting this out of your uber driver uh he gives him a ride on the way to armand's house uh however here while they're going bill Billy O. Dix begins calling Gerard Roper. See why I told you about him before?

So now I don't have to fucking explain him in the middle of the story. God damn it. Don't question my storytelling people. So I'm just kidding. So anyway, fuck you, Jimmy. I want to know why this fucker has guns and phones and no car and no car. How do you have a gun for a car? You can sell a gun for a few hundred bucks and get your no car. And no car. What the fuck? How do you have a, trade your gun for a car? Right.

You can sell a gun for a few hundred bucks and get your shit car going and figure it out. Get a monthly payment on your fucking phone. So what he starts doing while he's in the car with, uh, with, uh, and Nelson is he starts calling Roper from a cell phone. Like we said, like repeatedly, he receives no answer. Uh, so now out of nowhere, nowhere, Dickerson asks Antonio Nelson, hey, can we make a stop at Drayton's house,

the guy he was at playing video games to begin with, early in the morning, so he could, quote, get some money. So I don't know if Drayton owes him money or what the fucking deal is, but he's got a gun, so if someone has money and he wants it, he's going to, quote, get it, I feel like. When someone says, what are you doing to get some money? That could mean anything.

It really could. He could be purporting for a shift at a job. He could be selling clean pee. He could be selling clean pee. He could be robbing an elderly man. Maybe a stool sample. He could be learning how to counterfeit. We have no idea.

Getting some money. Very fucking vague. So they get to Drayton's house and Dickerson enters the house, busts into the fucking house like a maniac, like, you know, like some sort of Wild West lunatic brandishing the weapon and yelling for money. They know you, motherfucker. That's the thing I don't understand. You're robbing a dude. You were just at his house.

This is the weirdest shit. They're playing video games. Then he's coming back. Give me some money, motherfucker. It's like, what? You know this guy. What's happening? Why are you doing this?

Who was that running back that played for the Broncos and the Browns? He did the same shit. He took. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I forget his goddamn name. Oh, fuck. He's an idiot. Not Ohio State.

Yes. Oh, Maurice Claret. Yes. Went to a strip club with a couple. Don't think he's on my radar, Jimmy, for crime and sports. Oh, he's lined up. Fucking incredible story. Crosshairs, baby.

I can't wait. Wow, that's a fucking crazy story. How do you go to a strip club with some people and then fucking pull a gun on them later with a mask on? And then drive away and have your whole arsenal in your car. Because that's where you want to keep all your guns. Oh, boy. In your car, just in case.

Unbelievable. Most people use a house, but, you know, that's fine. He also had, I'm surprised he didn't have all of his clothes. I just keep everything in here. Just hand them your ID, you dipshit. My TV. There's my microwave I keep back there. And Billy O'Dix is doing the same thing.

Billy O'Dix is doing the same thing, waving his gun around like a maniac, asking for money. Roper is there, Gerard Roper. He's a getaway driver. No, no, Roper is... Armand's his getaway driver. They were going... No. No, no, no, no, no. Okay. Billy O'Dix. This is good, though, because other people could be confused, too. Billy O'Dix

goes to Drayton's house, plays some video games, leaves, goes to Nelson's house. Antonio Nelson asks for a ride. He says, can't give you a ride, bro, in the middle of a game. Head on back to Drayton's house. He heads out, leaves, heads. Then Billy O'Dix goes back to Nelson's house later with a gun this time saying, can you bring me to my brother's house?

Armand Bubba Dixon, Dickerson. They go to the house. On the way to the house, he says, hold on. We need cash. Right now, this is where an Uber driver drops out. They're like, no, no, I'm taking you to that place that's on my thing, and then you can get somebody else. Look at my app, motherfucker.

That's all I can do. Sorry. I can drop you off here. There's no on the way to. That shit doesn't work with Uber drivers at all. So, yeah, they stop on the way to Bubba Dickerson's house, Armand Dickerson's house. They stop back at Trayton's house, the original site of the video games,

and Roper is now present there. We don't know if Roper was present to begin with the first time he went to play video games, but now he's there. Apparently, at this point, he's pissed off because he's brandishing a weapon and asking for money, and Dickerson's pretty much just acting like a fucking maniac. So Roper tells Dickerson, quote, I got your money. Please don't shoot me me please don't kill me

so apparently uh he must owe him money i feel like i mean i don't know how much money these people could owe each other uh in terms of a bunch of unemployed guys that play video games in the morning i don't know how much money they could really owe each other and crackheads and crackheads you know what who the fuck knows if there's any sort of i don't know what their relationship is but i don't think any of these people have steady employment is what I'm getting at or a way to have money or, you know, that sort of shit. So this ain't some shit that goes down in an afternoon when somebody has a fucking shift at night. Also, Dickerson through this whole time is in a, according to him and pretty much everybody else around him, a pretty much a heavy crack. He is fucking under the influence of a lot of crack at this point, too, and wanting more crack. So that's a dangerous motherfucker.

People who want more crack are very dangerous. If you meet someone who wants more crack, just give them more crack because they are fucking crazy. And then get the fuck out of the way. Yeah, because they're going to get more crack somehow, one way or another trust me they're not just gonna go never mind going home now they'll get the crack so now thank god i have this crack now now i am a total mellow and logically thinking man i gotta tell you i was really kind of just anxious i was feeling kind of you know you know how it is when you wake up sometimes and you're like what do i have to do today and you feel like you have a lot going on and i was feeling kind of, you know, you know how it is when you wake up sometimes and you're like, what do I have to do today? And you feel like you have a lot going on.

And I was feeling that way. This happens to me a lot. Just smoked a bunch of crack and all better. Jimmy, I feel wonderful. Let me tell you, I feel calm. Hear my voice right now. It's even. It's measured.

I feel great. Crack. Crack is good for me. Good for you. Good for society. Crack. Crack is very much like coffee in that you can make coffee and it won't be in your system. Just holding the cup.

You're like, I feel better. I feel better. That's the thing about a crack bottle. So holding that knotted up plastic bag, just push it into your pocket. But it feels much better when you light it, trust me. You just go, oh, then you feel great, Jimmy. You could be a mess if you don't have it in your pocket. What do you have in your pocket?

You're on the verge of being high at any minute yeah that's in your pocket no shit that's once it's in your pocket you could be high at any second that is like a drunken makeout session right there it could happen at any time so uh keep in mind while this is going on the whole time that dickerson is six foot tall little over 200 pounds he's kind of a big dude uh rooper is 5'6", a buck 60. He is not a big dude. He's kind of a little skinny guy. This is physically an uneven matchup as it is, and now there's a gun involved

too with the bigger guy, so you can't get more of an advantage. You're much bigger, and you're brandishing a weapon. He gets into there. Now, what he does is, he ends up pulling this Roper out of the apartment and dragging him to the car. So he kidnaps him at this point. Now we've got a kidnap.

He dragged a man out at gunpoint and is taking him forcefully to another location. This is already life in prison. This is already, yeah. He's already gone too far. I would say as soon as you kick a door open with a gun and say, give me money, motherfuckers, you've gone too far at that point. But once you steal someone, then you're really over the edge. So he now neighbors, too, said they never heard screams or cries or anything like that

coming out. So I don't know if he held a gun in his head, told him to shut the fuck up like in the movies. You know, I have no idea. I'll kill you. Make a sound of something. And this guy was scared. So he was begging for his life. I like gangster black guys.

They say some fucking vicious. Oh, yeah. They say some make make a sound. And this will make a sound next. Yeah. They got some good like lines. Yeah. Some shit that could go on a T-shirt.

Yeah. Some pre-death T-shirt lines. It's terrifying shit. You get that. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if he had that going on when I was robbed at gunpoint. When I was I was duct taped and stuck into a walk-in at a Peter Piper place.

It's a pizza place. When they were walking me. They like to call it that. It's dough with some cheese and sauce on it. Let's just put it that way. It's a dough and cheese and sauce place with video games and shit for kids to do. And then they'll throw some shit on it. So they were hopping me back.

Because my feet were duct taped together. And he had a gun at my back, hopping to the back and i'm 17 and i said to the guy i don't want to die i'm 17 the motherfucker said the coolest shit he goes he goes nobody's gonna die nobody's gonna die tonight if you do what i say and i was like that is the most gangster shit i've ever heard and at the same time oddly calming calming probably, too. I was like, look, I'm hopping, man. What more do you want from me? See, this is why you lived. I am such an asshole. I would have so fucking argued and been like, why did you duct tape me before you wanted me to walk there?

This would take so much less time if you would have fucking waited to duct tape. You're fucking terrible at this. You know that shit? You're awful at your job. You should have walked me. You're not very good at this. Duct tape me at the freezer. Put a boot in my ass.

I don't care. You're going to get caught. You're fucking this up you're gonna fuck up that too you're gonna fuck something else up i know you are you're fine i would have she would have shot me five times spoiler alert they were really good they got away oh there you go they got a bunch more yeah even though they hopped me to a fucking fridge i would have been very much like this could be going so much faster right now you know and i only one of us decided on duct tape and it wasn't me when i was 17 i knew how how how shitty that pizza was in that walk-in i pulled all the dough down uh off the shelf and made like a little fortress around me in case they started licking shots through the door because even i knew that that crust could stop a bullet oh it could stop a fucking bullet yeah and it wasn't made out of any natural substances, I'm sure.

It's half Kevlar, I believe. Peter Piper Pizza, where the Kevlar is. It's a Kevlar pie. It'll act as a shield, also. It's very popular in bad neighborhoods. 100% gluten. Yeah, 100%. It's all it is, gluten.

You couldn't penetrate it with a fucking axe or a bullet or anything else. It's all gluten. Gluten steel. The big fucking it with a fucking axe or a bullet or anything else. It's all gluten. Gluten steel. The big fucking cracker. Steel gluten pizza. That's the restaurant I'm going to open. So. Going to take a quick break from the show to tell you a little bit more about True Car.

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He was not mad at Roper before. He just wanted to go hang out at his brother's house. And then he goes and hangs out at his girlfriend's house. And now all of a sudden he's got a gun and he's looking for Roper. So something is amiss there and uh this is escalated quickly here uh so uh he forces roper into the car like we said and drives him to uh an apartment complex it's 311 fleming road on james island so nelson uh drives uh dickerson and rooper over to Armand Dickerson's house. Got it. Now, Nelson leaves and he doesn't come back.

Now, they say that he didn't know about Dickerson's plans beforehand or he didn't have any involvement or whatever. But when he was driving the guy over there with a fucking gun and the guy was pissed off and whatever, I think he knew something was going to happen. And then when he dragged the guy outside a gunpoint and stuffed him into a car, I think at that point, that's the key. That's the key.

I think at that point he knew something was happening. I don't think he was that ignorant of the whole situation happening. It's happening. Yeah. So, uh, yeah, they,

they end up, uh, uh, dragging him inside Armin and, his brother, uh, Billy O''Dix. They drag Roper inside, and they put him inside.

Now, we might be able to tell you the point of what possibly is causing this at this point. It doesn't really have anything to do with money. Apparently, this video never surfaces, but there is an allegation that Billy O billy o dicks while at his girlfriend's house saw a cell phone video of roper having sex with his girlfriend oh boy okay that's what this is about so he went to his girlfriend's house apparently saw this video uh now roper denies it was even him there uh but i mean at that point the guy's got a gun i don't think you're gonna be like yeah it was good pussy like you're not I mean, at that point, the guy's got a gun. I don't think you're going to be like, yeah, it was good pussy.

Like, you're not going to, you're going to probably pretend it wasn't you at that point, even if it was. But also, on the other hand, what's he going to do? Call the girl over and be like, where's that cell phone video? I got a match of this day. And it's a 2005 cell phone video. So it's not going to be a good video. That's like the beginning of video on cell phone. It's on a BlackBerry.

It's grainy and terrible and looks like complete dog shit anyway. So good luck figuring out who's on that video look at those blurry people blurry things pumping each other those blobs that are humping each other are pretty interesting it's worse than surveillance footage at that point it really was it was so fucking bad so uh they sit him down uh and apparently over the next 18 to 36 hours proceed to just varying degrees of torture and horrible shit. He fired a shot at Roper and missed on purpose like that sort of shit. He hit Roper in the head with a gun. You know, he did all sorts of shit like that.

Once he gets once they're in Armin's house he hits him with uh with a with a mirror he hits him with a vase like he's knocking them all around just shit that he finds around the house like you use a fucking either a weapon or your fist or something what are you picking up fucking personal items for and everything's glass this is like a bad austin powers and that's what i mean and he i just pictured him dumping flowers out of the vase first to be dramatic like man fuck these roses and then just fucking hitting the guy in the head with him like it's so weird it's like a spoof movie it really is naked gun he's just bashing everything in the house that's glass be like smash it on his head his naked gun is dark i don't know wow

shit where's oj was that oj would lighten this. That's how dark this shit is. OJ, the presence of OJ would make me feel more comfortable. There's less murder afoot. In 2006, OJ is less dangerous than the shit that's going on in this house. Oh, absolutely. That would calm everybody down. The presence of OJ. Hey, hey everybody it's oj be cool everybody chill out everybody act more civilized oj's here be cool scott peterson's here everybody relax it's gonna be fun what the fuck oj again scott peterson and jody areas they're all here walk into a bar

they just got out of an uber so you know they came straight here well that's a good joke right there that's what you started out a really good joke so oj scott peterson and jody areas walk into a bar right you could You could do anything from that. Anything from that. Write your own joke and tweet it at us because there's potential there for something. I'm not sure what. But if a rabbi, a priest, and a fucking whatever can walk into a bar for years and that be a joke, then that can be a joke too. If those three people walked into a bar, there are more victims than people in this bar.

If you can't find humor in that i don't know something's wrong with you that's what we're saying jesus christ so he he's he's torturing him though on a serious note uh he hits roper with the gun uh continuously uh knocks out two or three of his teeth that's disputed uh so he's just hitting him with the gun over and over again number of teeth missing is disputed we're not sure if one was he may have been he is a crack that's what i mean so we don't know well we don't know if uh roper is okay we know that uh dickerson certainly is uh from what we've heard from his own his own uh declarations own words he's declared sir i am a crack i am a crackhead therefore my actions are are out of my control.

The head of crack. The head of crack. He had to put a fancy wig on first. Then he felt fancy enough. This is ridiculous. So Armin leaves at some point to retrieve Dickerson's car. Why the fuck did he not? I don't know. Dickerson's car was somewhere. fuck did he not? I don't know.

Dickerson's car was somewhere. Billy O. Dick's car was somewhere, and his brother Armin went to get it. He also went to get some drugs also. So he said, go get my car and go get me some fucking crack. And his brother was like, okay. You just continue torturing this man in my house, and I'll go get you crack.

You've gone too far. Stop off at a second-hand store and pick up as many glass items as you can. That's what I mean. Because we're out. I'm going to need a bunch of vases. You find some glassware. Anything. Anything you can find.

Juice glasses, wine glasses. I like wine glasses. I hold them by the stem and just crack you on top. It looks pretty cool when it happens. Get some of those cheap comedy club cups that everybody gives to Goodwill. Yeah, give a bunch of those out. Get the ones autographed by Joe Coy. Jesus Christ.

Yeah. Nobody wants those. Those are always in the fucking Goodwill. Nobody wants those. He is signing every cup, apparently. Whether you want it or not. He hangs out. You ordered the specialty cup?

I'll be right down to sign that shit comes off the stage mid-joke fuck now let me tell you about how my mom calls me joseph that's fucking funny so uh arman returns with cracking glassware and a car and all sorts of shit uh he returns when he returns uh blood covers the inside of the house he said there's fucking blood everywhere everywhere all over the place on walls and places not to the point where like floods of blood like someone had been you know opened up and spun around like a fucking top but just there's been a lot of a lot of blood play we'll say going on glass objects broken on a face.

Well, yeah, that'll do it. And also bashing guns, smashing a gun, and if someone's face, knocking teeth out, you pull back, there's a spatter that goes up that way. A lot of blood action. So it's at this point when Armand returns, Billy O. Dix calls another friend of his. He's getting a lot of people involved in this, too.

How many people can see me with this guy who I'm going to fuck up now? He's playing a game like, how many witnesses can I make here? I got the guy in the car, the dude at the house with the video game, and I dragged him out at fucking gunpoint. I got my brother.

I got, oh, by the way, his brother's fucking fiance with their children are also there in the house. Wow, with the children. Coming in and out of the house like nobody's fucking business here. Oh, boy. So Dickerson calls his friend.

This guy's name is Rashid Malik, and he goes by Popcorn. That's his nickname. So he gives Popcorn a call, gives Malik a call, and apparently, what everybody said here, Dickerson calls Popcorn and threatens him with death if he doesn't come to Armand's house. Okay. You know this dude was like, why the fuck did I answer that call? Imagine that.

All you had to do was not answer. And otherwise you answered and you got this guy cracked out of his mind going, you better get the fuck over to Armand's house or I'm going to fucking kill you. And you're like, what? Get the fuck over here. I'm saying popcorn every other word. Yo, popcorn. You better get your fucking ass over here.

Like, whoa, popcorn. Get your popcorn in your popcorn and ass. He's like, okay. So also Malik at this point, he can tell that something is wrong and he's a little freaked out. So Malik tries to bring says that he's going to bring Dickerson's mother to the house to try to calm him down. Malik's making an effort at least to try to make this not a thing. Old popcorn. He's trying.

He's like, let's see. He sounds fucked up. He sounds like he's in a crazed state. He threatened my life, which that's probably not normal. I don't know how you can be friends with someone for years if they constantly threaten your life. That would be a weird friendship. He's clearly not a hostage negotiator, though.

A hostage negotiator tells you right away, don't bring friends or family near that man. He brings the mother in to try to calm down the situation. He says he's going to bring the mother. He tells Armand that. He's like, I'm going to bring your mom down. It's going to chill him the fuck out. He's not going to act crazy in front of his mother, probably.

And so somehow Billy O. Dix found out about this and was not happy. So he then threatened to kill Malik's mother. He says, if you bring my mother here, I will kill your mother. I will not stop at that, though. I will then, once I've killed your mother, I will then find your pregnant girlfriend and cut the baby out of her. Holy shit. That's the threat that he says.

That's when you go, all right, cool. And you call 911. Yeah, this motherfucker is not. This shit is nuts. I would call him not reachable at this point. Right. I would say that reason has left his vocabulary. For sure.

And he is a fucking mess. So that seems, that's not proportional either. I'm going to bring your mom over. I'll kill your mother and cut the baby out of your girlfriend. That's way over the top. That far. That's a lot. That's a, wow.

That's a fender bender. And then someone blew up your house it's like well that's those aren't the same things this is fucking crazy either way you're gonna have a couple insurance claims oh there you got a lot of claims to do here so uh wow this scene is fucking nuts i don't even know if you're how do you handle this if you're arm on this is your brother he came over to your house and he's torturing me i say giving him cracks probably a bad idea don't do that i wouldn't fuel him eventually he'll just i would figure just run down like a battery like his battery ran out and just fall to the ground i don't know how crackheads behave though not like when you have

it you're not as desperate no so when you don't have it and you're fucking coming down is there a side effect that you fall sleepy like heroin is no no no when you're high on heroin you fall asleep yeah yeah when you're not high on heroin you're not falling asleep yeah yeah then you're sick yeah you're sick and then you die what a stupid drug heroin is though to get to get addicted to that you do that and then you get tired what i don't understand that drug at all. I don't get that. I don't understand heroin at all. You not only get tired, maybe you'll throw up, too.

That sounds great. And then you need more. I love throwing up. And then I need more. It sounds bad. But they seem really content while it's going on. It feels fantastic when you're on that stuff. They seem happier than a junkie who just shot up.

They seem to be really excited about it. So don't knock it until you've tried it, I guess, is what I'm getting at. I mean, I've taken the pills of it, like Rush Limbaugh, the hillbilly heroin. I've gone that route, and it feels great for a minute until your face starts to itch. And if that's what happens when you put that needle in your, you fucking start itching, and

apparently it does, because people's faces are ruined. They don't look good at all. Sores and picks. Why would you do that? It's not great. That's meth-y, too. So, anyway, Malik comes back to the house. Malik comes over under threat of death, obviously. Yeah. Better get there.

Popcorn's in the house. So, now we have Billy O. Dicks, Bubba Dickerson, and Billy O. Dickerson are all in this house. Oh, by the way, and Roper's there, too. Roped. Roped. Yeah. He is tied up, and he's still conscious when malik arrives he's conscious but he's clothed only in a t-shirt okay it's out his dick is out uh uh and he is attempting

to clean up the blood that's all over the house arman is arman is running all over that because it's his fucking house yeah so he's like shit there's blood everywhere i better clean this shit up mom's coming i gotta make it nice yeah well hopefully not based on uh what will happen there so uh you know he's running around cleaning shit because you know who the fuck wouldn't this is crazy i guess to try to just occupy your mind or i have no idea so then malik ends up coming in and joins the two of them at you know just hanging out you know torturing intermittently torturing this roper guy dickerson was definitely the driving force here and everybody else was just like um now we got to clean over this guy let's i guess clean this up okay like this has to be nuts so at one point

two uh he tells dickerson calls someone on the phone an unknown person and just tells them that he's torturing roper it's like what you up to right now oh that's cool yeah no i'm just torturing gerard yeah you know gerard yeah i'm just torturing i knocked his teeth out and shit three teeth out this month yeah he's sitting here in his in his t-shirt half conscious uh you got any glass shit around your house you got any vases or anything like that also we're gonna need some clorox wipes if you have that because this is a fucking mother is pissed and there is blood everywhere also roper uh roper's mother receives a call at this point from one of roper's friends somehow word has this guy is bad at what he does billy o'dix because calling everybody he's literally calling people going man just torturing just torturing gerard

like he's so this is so known by everybody that while this torture still being inflicted roper's mother gets a call from one of roper's friends saying that Roper was being beaten and tortured by someone as they spoke. What did Mama Roper do? She didn't think it was real and she didn't think it was true. So she did nothing. She just shrugged and went, I don't know, hung up the phone and fucking went back to do what she was doing, I guess. She didn't think it was real because that sounds crazy. Yeah.

Your son is being beaten and tortured right now and blah, blah, blah. Yeah, my refrigerator's running. Yeah, exactly. Okay, sure. It's fucking ridiculous. your son is being beaten and tortured right now and blah blah blah yeah my refrigerator's running yeah exactly okay sure it's fucking ridiculous so like we said Dickerson is really the guy going all in on this thing my kid's being tortured what's next

I owe money to the IRS is that what you're going to tell me fuck off my phone fuck off my phone yeah quit playing on the telephone how many that's an old lady say yeah quit playing on the telephone she hangs up it's an old lady thing to say how many times is she fucking hassled on the phone apparently not enough get rid of your landline ma'am she just shakes her head damn telemarketers telemarketer bastards that's what they tell you

they tell you your son being tortured right now, and then they're not. They're not being tortured at all. Your son's being tortured. No, I will not buy term life insurance on my son. Thank you. So the torture over this, maybe she should have. Would have been better. Dickerson also, in addition to knocking out a tooth or two, he also pulled out a couple of teeth.

Good Christ. He yanked them. It gets worse. That's mild in comparison here. He, Jesus Christ, he burned his scrotum. That's why his pants are off, because he burned his scrotum. Oh, Jesus. Literally burned his scrotum.

And then, if that wasn't enough, he then sodomized him not only with a gun which is fucking horrific but then when he was done with that he grabbed a broom handle and went after this roper guy too all he did i mean all he did was maybe fuck this guy's girlfriend possibly maybe and i'm maybe your relationship wasn't that great if she's fucking this guy anyway why did she show you the video were you guys fighting and she was like i fucked your friend who knows how he found it and the videos never surfaced we don't know like we said we don't know what the who the fuck knows uh what if she what if she was in a fight with him and got on you porn or some shit like that who knows and just like showed him a random video of two people fucking that's what i mean that's us that's us oh it is okay cell phone blobs

so he does that uh he also chokes him from time to time strangles him sort of you know until he goes unconscious and then brings him back uh just cuts him here and there beats him punches him uh ties him up and puts him in a closet for a while with all these injuries just to stick him in there and got him back out beat him up a little more a while with all these injuries just to stick him in there and got him back out beat him up a little more tortured him he had internal injuries from the from the gun in the broom handle uh it just it's just a fucking disaster i mean the absolute the worst the worst thing you can do here and not only a short amount of time too this is 18 to 36 hours this took place holy fuck so imagine that that's a long fucking time son of a

bitch he's a tough son of a bitch for surviving this uh armand's girlfriend a woman named selena rouse was in and out of the house during that first of all once you're out how the fuck do you go back in knowing this is happening in your home i think go to your mom's house or do find something else to do that night wow i can't go home they're torturing a guy i hate when that happens you call the cops that would also be a thing you could do nobody says anything no but i'm just saying even if you don't care you think you wouldn't want to go back there and hang out there while this is going on uh it's fucking crazy she's in and out of the house along with her young son by the way so she's bringing her child back to the scene of a torture on top of all this fucking shit. At some point in this, Dickerson asks

her what she thinks. Should I let him live or should I kill him? She's one of the in and outs. He's like, hey, Selena, come here a minute. Let me ask you something. We're just torturing him. You know how it goes. How many people have you tortured, honestly? Let me ask you something. Should I kill him or what?

What do we do here? Keep what? What do we do here? Keep going? What should I do here? She said she didn't participate in the torture. They all said that. And she didn't have an answer for the live or die thing. I think she was a little freaked out by this whole situation. Not freaked out enough to not bring her kid back to it, apparently.

What about your son? What's he say? Let's ask him. He must have a thought on this. Yeah. What time does Blue's Clues come up? What do young minds think about this? So, yeah, she didn't participate, though. None of them said.

At one point, Roper began begging that they kill him and fucking put him out of his misery. He asked for it. He's asking for fucking death like a mob guy. That's what guys like who are being tortured by the mob and know they're going to be killed. They're begging for death because they know they're going to be killed this guy's just in so much pain he's begging for fucking death yeah uh which is fucking crazy all after all this is said and done roper receives 200 wounds to the outside of his body this includes lacerations to the anus yeah he also received several internal, various broken bones in his face that caused his face, upon being found, to look not like him even.

Broke his face so much that he looked misshapen. Blunt force trauma to the neck, resulting in breaking of various bones there. A broken tibia, which is painful. which is painful, broken fingers, broken wrist, brain swelling, bleeding into the internal structures around his rectum as a result of objects being inserted into it. Oh, my gosh. Based on what the medical examiner says. Tibia is in the arm, correct?

That is a... Tibia and fibula? I think that's true. Tibia is your leg, I thought? Ulna and radius, that's the arm. Yeah, I think the tibia is your shin. Isn't your tibia your shin, I believe? Yeah, it is.

One of those fucking things. It's a hard bone to fucking break, first of all. It's Baraboo, Wisconsin territory here. But this is worse because he worked over his entire body the same way. And that guy, at least that guy in Baraboo, stayed away from the kid's ass. Yeah. At least he didn't fuck with his balls or his ass. He didn't rape him at all.

No, no rape, which is honestly surprising. Thank God for no rape. He wasn't into it, I guess. But that's good for that guy, I guess. That would't rape him at all. No, no rape, which is honestly surprising. Thank God. After all that, he wasn't into it, I guess, but that's good for that guy, I guess. That would have made it only worse. So this kid has been through the fucking mill, man. This poor guy, Roper, has just been a mess here.

They said there's no timeline exactly, but they think he survived for about 18 hours after the sodomy occurred. That's what they think. So they think he lasted 18 hours after that with internal bleeding going on. Wow. None of the wounds were inflicted post-mortem.

So once he actually dies, he's dead, and they don't do anything anymore to him. They said no, this is insane, no single wound was fatal. Oh, Christ. Everything compounded? This was just compounded. So, I mean, if he received medical attention, he would have been he would have been fine.

I mean, absolutely. You know, he's not fine. I mean, he would have been fucked up, but been scarred forever. He would have been survived because none of these wounds were bad enough to kill him. They said he died from the sum total of his injuries. Apparently, shortly after he was struck with a mirror and uh and a vase on the morning of march 8th they think those were the final two blows that fucking broke bones in his neck and uh made him you know made his head bleed out a little more and the brain swelling too

that's another issue there so i don't even know what to say with this shit stomped to death he got fucking tortured to death uh by the way dickerson was making calls all through this he just kept making phone calls a lot of them were to his girlfriend he was calling his girlfriend about this uh just yeah just hey i'm torturing this dude now yeah that dude you said you fucked him well i'm gonna torture him uh she actually recorded one of the one of the phone calls, which was amazing. This was a description. This was Dickerson giving a detailed description of the sodomy that happened and the torture and even got Roper's own confirmation. You can hear him because he's saying, you know, tell her what happened.

That's right. Right. And he's going, yeah, that happened. This is fucking insanity. Oh, my God. This motherfucker is cold bloodedoded man there's no i mean dude fucking anger does not last 24 hours you can't you can't stay mad at something while you're torture i mean he even took his fucking aggression out and still had more and more this is just cold calculated this is this

is just calculated cold-blooded shit that's all there is to it first time he's killed somebody apparently he's he's assaulted with intent to kill but uh he's getting it right this time uh this is fucking nuts so she recorded all this uh he also in addition to roper saying that the sodomy had occurred dickerson said uh that it occurred he also said that he burned roper scrotum over the uh over the phone to another friend uh which that other friend later we'll talk about in a later call that same friend he's calling people hanging up all right i'll talk to you later he calls him back in a little while yep still torturing that guy i don't know you know what do you do with that no one out of all of

these people he called nobody calls the police what the nobody calls 9-1-1 no one says i don't think this is good i think i should go nobody i get some of his friends whatever but nobody how does nobody nobody has a conscience here nobody trust in the police force maybe they don't believe that he's really doing this maybe they don't believe that and i get i even get not trusting the police force but there is torture taking place this is a different thing here and he's confirming it he's confirming it everybody's confirming it the guy who is being done to confirms that everybody it's it's nuts here so later on he calls that same friend and he said that roper was quote gone okay uh then he told a different friend that roper was all right then he said no no he's cool

this is after he's dead already he says no no he's cool. This is after he's dead already. He says, no, no, he's cool, but he says that he needs to run. Dickerson needs to take off. Billy O's like, he's cool, but I need to get the fuck out of here because obviously they're going to be looking for me. He's got a Libman hanging out of his asshole. Yeah, that's the fucking problem. So Armon, so what they do is they, Jesus Christ, they wrap Roper's body in a blanket and they dump him in the vacant townhouse right next door to Armand's. Come on, man. I mean, Jesus Christ, we've had some people dump some bodies in some stupid places, but fuck, man.

You might as well put him on the front porch and put a fucking mistletoe on his forehead. Sit him on the top of a station wagon and drive his ass from him to the grand canyon what the fuck is going on this is ridiculous this is asinine so they put him in the in the in the vacant townhouse next door wow so what ends up happening is dickerson changes his clothes and he takes off he's like i gotta get the fuck out of here so now he leaves his brother with this torture scene to clean the torture and murder scene to clean uh so uh arman and his girlfriend selena tried to clean up the house but they ended up abandoning the house because they figured this isn't gonna fucking work there's too much blood like there's too much we cannot get all this shit

there's shit everywhere so they just took off they're like fuck it let's just leave yeah they'll never find they know you're renting it the body's right next door there's blood all over here this is run this is not gonna take sherlock holmes to figure this fucking case out anybody could walk in anybody literally the cop would find the body from the smell go next door and be like y'all heard anything holy shit that's a lot of blood where did all that come from yeah it's fucking nuts man somebody got a bloody nose in here no right so how they end up finding this poor roper is that same day luckily i guess luckily for roper's family so they're not missing him for a long time a woman who's planning to rent the vacant townhouse comes to do a check on it to make sure it's been this woman i feel by thought about this woman too i get that roper's dead in his family that's

horrible and believe me that's terrible but this poor woman went through all the shit of like finding a place to rent and like put a deposit down and then they said okay you know move in on the first or whatever i guess it's the eighth here you're gonna move in on the eighth and she's like cool and she went to make sure they cleaned it because you gotta do the walkthrough and if they didn't clean you gotta tell them to clean all that shit and instead of finding i don't know they didn't clean the bathroom there's some stains on the tub or some shit like that there is literally a fucking corpse in the middle of the living room a semi-clothed tortured corpse wrapped in a blanket. A blistered, ball-bagged corpse. What do you do in that moment?

You ask for your deposit back, first of all. Ah, fuck it. I think you go, can I get that deposit? It's not non-refundable in situations like this, right? Or you say, do I have a roommate that you didn't tell me about? What the fuck's going on here? Or how about I stay here for a hundred a month now because clearly it's not safe i don't even know what the fuck you do what what do you think at that point

oh my god you poor bastard i feel bad for her and also obviously feel bad for roper whose bloodied mutilated body is there and he's not paying any fucking rent on top of it and the landlord now has to tell people yeah by the way there was a body yes there was a two units body found here killed next door so you know take your pick yeah it depends on how how's your uh final resting place or murder scene which would you rather have those are your two options i'll take final resting place that's most of them have like the garden apartment or this that we have the final resting place at least here you can get some really great rest obviously amazing rest look at him right he looks content resting so march 11 2006 dickerson is arrested finally this is after a short chase

they had to hunt him down uh go just nowhere far he was around town yeah he's like in the apartment complex where he lives with his relatives and like the other apartment next door. Fish in the salt marsh. It's not. Yeah, it's not a real. This guy's not a criminal mastermind. He's indicted for murder, kidnapping and criminal sexual conduct.

That's it. So that's what he's indicted for here. That seems like a lot, though. Those are heavy charges here because the prosecutors, Charleston County county prosecutors say they will seek the death penalty against him so the charges aren't really that uh that important the murder one is the one that matters that's the real sticky one the rest of them they're aggravators that's all so that's all you need are those two here a defense attorney attributed the uh the the whole thing to dickerson's altered state of mind. He said this is not Dickerson's normal state. Normally

he just intends to kill, but he doesn't actually pull it off. Check his record. He says, quote, he was in a crack cocaine psychosis when he did all of these strange, bizarre acts. It is a case that makes no sense outside of his altered mental state. So, yeah,

I mean, that's a decent defense actually to go to a juror and go would a guy who's not in a crazy state do that but then at the same time you go who gives a fuck if he's on crack so who gives a shit he put himself in it it's not like somebody tackled him injected him with something a government agent injected him with crack cocaine and sent him loose in the streets he smoked it he sent his brother for more for fuck's sake this is an mk ultra he fucking found crack got high killed the dude smoked a bunch of crack got mad at his friend for fucking his girlfriend and tortured him to death it's pretty simple right this is pretty open and shut case i feel like and especially it's not like there's any question who fucking did it he's calling people going yep torturing him right now hey gerard am i

torturing you yeah he's torturing me. Okay, good. It's fucking nuts. Like you can't get any more of a, of a whatever open and shut here, but different little things like, uh,

the beginning of the trial, there's a juror, uh, a Vodier, which is the fucking, you know, when they talk to the jurors and ask them a couple of questions and then decide whether they can,

the interviews, the interviews, and they can decide whether this guy is fit to judge this person's life or not. How do you feel about black people? Yeah, things like that. So this guy here is juror number 370. He's the main issue here.

Number 370. 370. I don't know if that's on the day or if that's like of the week. 369 others? I don't know if it's like a butcher counter where they don't reset it and they just keep taking the things till the roll's empty. I have no idea how that works. Or if it just restarts. Or if it's the 370th of this fucking trial.

That's possible. How racist are you, South Carolina? Fuck, man. Those are all the black people. all the black people yeah so uh this guy identifies himself as the type of juror who is able to recommend a sentence of death or life without parole in either appropriate circumstance now the exchange here is crazy because you have to think if like your life is on the line this is the exchanges that's going on to decide who decides that shit the question is quote i would also i would also instruct you that the only party which any burden of proof in this proceeding is the state. Mr. Dickerson does not have to prove anything. He doesn't have to. He doesn't have to present any evidence. He has no obligation whatsoever. Would you have any problem following that presumption? He says, no, sir. The juror does. They said, OK, I would tell you that if the jury were to conclude beyond a reasonable doubt that there were aggravating circumstances, does that mean that the jury has to return a death sentence only that it is a only only that is a potential sentence?

Do you understand that? He says, yes, sir. They say, OK, because the jury would have the right, notwithstanding the conclusion of aggravating circumstances, to find that the appropriate sentence would be life imprisonment without the possibility of parole. I would give you an instruction as to that. Could you make that consideration as well? He says, yes. Okay. Now that's the beginning.

Now he's questioned by Dickerson's attorney here. And they said, quote, let me just start off with what's your opinion of the death penalty, which is a great question to ask a juror. I feel like he says, quote, I am. I think it needs to be there. But there needs to. But there are certain situations that I mean, I'm not too up to date on this whole system, which is a bad thing. But I feel like a lot of people get the death penalty when it's not deserved. People die all the time.

I mean, get put to death when they're innocent. So I don't know. It's a big thing. I'm not up to date on this system. So what he said was, I don't know. That was the longest shoulder shrug in the history of court i have no people die i mean sometimes they're innocent i don't know it's a big thing like wow uh the question is in those types of situations now that you know what the term

uh murder is not an accent they talk about the definition of murder uh self-defense or manslaughter or insanity would you always automatically vote for the death penalty if the person who did it uh meant to do it and they had the right person? He says, I would still have to hear all the evidence and everything behind it. So the guy says, OK, the juror then says, when, how, where, all that stuff. So the lawyer says, OK, so even if there is no accident, self-defense, manslaughter, insanity, the state has proved it beyond a reasonable doubt uh that the guy did it meant to do it and they had the right person here who did it in those cases you're not going to

automatically vote for the death penalty he says i guess i guess i would if it was absolute then definitely so now we're getting into a situation where they said well you say absolutely you mean and the guy says exactly what you just said all those things he said can i get the fuck out of here yeah because i've had to i have no i double talked my way around one question kill anybody why are you asking me so much shit i don't know uh so further uh uh response here further questioning uh the the guys the guys kind of the lawyers kind of giving him giving him the business he said would you expect the defendant or his attorney to present something to give you a reason not to vote for death to kind of convince you okay i found him guilty of murder i've heard all this other stuff i'm for uh i'm but i'm for death would you expect the defense to show like

you need to show me some stuff that would convince me otherwise to vote for life and there's no verbal he doesn't say anything so the guy says is that what you're telling me and the juror says i yeah isn't that what you've got to do which is not what you've got to do at fucking all. So now they've confused this man completely. They said, and all the bad stuff in there that they found and they and all that bad stuff in there. And they just argue for mercy. That is not something that's going to persuade you. And he says, no.

So he says, if he's found guilty of murder, no matter what the mitigating circumstances are, he's voting for the death penalty, which is, you know, whatever. So they go back and forth with this for a while and kind of bat this guy around. And then at the end, he says that, you know, he can follow judges instructions. The judge jumps in and goes, look, if I fucking tell you that you have to decide this or this, can you fucking be fair about it? And the guy's like, OK, sure. And they're like, all right, great. You're a juror. So after all that, he's a fucking juror.

It's fine. Now, Dickerson's attorneys moved to have 370 juror 370 disqualified because he was a, quote, burden shifter. You burden shifting motherfucker who would require the defense to prove that the death penalty should not be imposed. The court disagreed, finding that his statements would follow the laws instructed and he would want to hear all the circumstances demonstrated uh that all that shows he's not a burden shifter which i i don't know it sounds to me like the guy sounds like he was just putty and he was they were asking him questions he didn't know the answers to right and they asked him something and he thought he was supposed to say something so he said it and they were like, well, that's not right. Would you do this?

And he's like, all right, well, I'll do whatever the fuck you want. Can I stop talking up here? This is a guy that's a citizen that's willing to be on a fucking trial. Yeah. And this is going to take a little bit and he's going to put his life on hold for this. At what point during that question, you go, what the fuck do you want from me? I don't work here. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Like, I don't fucking know what you want from my job. doesn't even give me jury pay so i'm here for free jesus do you want me or not now the final jury is three black people and nine white jurors okay uh which i mean you'd want probably more black people on the jury but also the place where it's taking place it's 82 percent white so So that represents the population. That's kind of population, you know, reflective on that one. So whatever. Now, the guilt phase here in the opening arguments, the solicitor, the lawyer, Scarlett Wilson, she's the prosecutor. She tells the jury that Roper was enraged by this video that showed his girlfriend having sex with Roper.

She says they never found the tape, but that's what he said. That's what he told the girlfriend, and that's what he was saying on the tape conversation on the phone also. Got it. Wilson, this Scarlett Wilson, says that Roper had no idea what was going on. He thought that Dickerson wanted money from him. She says, quote, he didn't know what he was walking into. 18 hours of hell.

It took 18 hours to kill him. Over 200 lacerations. So that's fucking, and it could have been longer. That's just what they can prove based on medical science. Otherwise, who knows? Dickinson's defense attorney told the jurors that Dickerson was Dickerson was being made into a scapegoat for the murder by the three other people

who were in the apartment at the time. So it's not him. He was, fuck, he didn't want this shit to happen, even though he's making phone calls talking about it. They said, quote, you're going to hear the story of people who had an agenda and had a reason not to be guilty and who were cowards and had to find somebody to hide behind. Good Christ. Wow, that's ballsy. It's a good attorney.

Yeah, you got to say. What else are you going to say? Everybody's fucking saw it. I don't know. He's really's really a nice guy i mean that's your only other option your honor minus the crack great dude minus the crack and the torture and the sodomy this guy's not a bad guy terrific oh by that assault with intent to kill too we can add that to the list and all his other criminal shit was bred into it by his murder you know what fuck it never mind listen he's just he's just a lost boy j Jesus Christ. They called Dr. Cynthia Shundell, the prosecution, who is the pathologist who performed the autopsy.

She testified that the blood toxicology report on Roper was negative. Now, this turns out to be a big fucking source of horseshit, too. Doesn't crack come out of your system fast? Coke comes out of your system pretty quick, yeah, which demonstrated that he didn't have any drugs in his system when he died. But on cross-examination, they attempted to inquire about the initial urine screen test performed by Dr. Shandell that would show whether there was drugs present in Roper's system up to two days prior to his death. Now, the state objected in all this. Dr. Shandell testified that the test was presumptively positive for cocaine metabolites, but she never ordered confirmatory testing.

And according to her, these initial screenings produce a large number of false positives and are unreliable, absent any sort of confirmation. So now the point of this whole thing is what fucking difference does it make what the fuck roper had in his system while he's being having his ball sack fucking burned off that doesn't matter who did this yeah that doesn't fucking matter but this is the muddy the waters get muddied here uh dickerson's our attorneys argue that uh the state's question about blood toxicology results opened the door for the whole line of questioning, and it left the jury with a misleading impression that Roper had not used cocaine. Oh, my God. So they're basically saying if the jury just heard that this guy had some cocaine in his

system, they'd be totally cool with him being tortured. This is like saying, like, we need to show how short her skirt was, Your Honor. You don't understand. If her skirt's this short, how are they not going to rape her? Like, this is the same fucking argument, almost. Are they going to hold a dollar bill from her knee? Yeah. It's so fucking stupid.

If he's on coke, it's his fault he's tortured, obviously. Everybody on coke needs to be tortured and have their teeth knocked out and their ball sack burned off. I wouldn't care. And shit things stuffed up their ass. Right. I wouldn't care if he did sleep with dude's girl. I don't care. Unless it was against her will?

Come on, man. Yeah. Yeah. That's something that I guess. Yeah. care if he did sleep with dudes don't care you still can't do any of this yeah come on man yeah that's that's something that i guess yeah that would be a different story where you might be pissed off he did these same injuries to her yeah minus death and then fucked her yeah this is out of bounds this whole thing is well well out of bounds uh now they said that the uh uh the they didn't really find any prejudice from that. And so the judge said it's fine. And if they go more into the findings of toxicology reports, it's only going to confuse the jury, is what they said. The judge said this is just going to confuse the jury, considering it's not fucking relevant to the case.

And did you hear the answers from 370? He doesn't know what the fuck to do. He doesn't know anyway. Just tell him. The last person who talks is going to. That's the winner for that guy, I feel like. Okay. He's not guilty. Okay.

Deal. He did it? All right. He did it. Like, fine. So, yeah, they exclude the rest of that shit. Now, during all this, they play the phone call that he made to his girlfriend during the trial, which does not serve him

well. If people were thinking life in jail or death, I'm not sure. I don't know. And then they heard his voice during it joyously tell this woman what he's doing and then make the other guy talk about it. That really tells you what a piece of shit the guy is. The defense didn't submit this as evidence. No, no, no.

I don't think this was exculpatory at all. I don't think. Yeah, we have it. The smoking gun that gets us out. We're innocent. We just want you guys to really see what crack does. This is what crack does. You know what?

We've decided, fuck this case. It's about the kids now. It's only about the kids. We've spoken to Nancy Reagan. You know how it goes. She's on board. We really like everybody off drugs. She's on board. And we really like everybody off drugs. She's on board.

So the verdict of this whole thing, the jury convicts Dickerson on all charges, obviously. I didn't think that was going to take long. Didn't seem very... Yeah, it's pretty open and shut. Right. It seems like you're going to have to win on appeal. I would say so. They don't have sentencing until 2009 on this.

There's apparently a separate, like, basically the way they do it's like there's a guilt phase and there's the penalty phase, but they don't do it like right away. There was continuances and all sorts of shit. The state said that there was three aggravating factors, which were criminal sexual misconduct, kidnapping and torture. said that there was three aggravating factors which were criminal sexual misconduct kidnapping and torture uh they highlight dickerson's prior criminal history and his adaptability to prison life oh boy they talk about that they're like yeah he just loves prison so i mean that that's not really a punishment for him i don't want that ever said about no no he's he's great in prison this guy he gets right along no problem at my eulogy you know jimmy was he was an adapter see you put him in a prison

fish to water just fucking no problem he grew good at being raped against wonderful at it i mean he was the best for a cup of noodles he's the best in the cell block i'll tell you that right now jesus so uh dr shandell comes back again. She testifies again. She repeated all of her bullshit about the toxicology. She emphasized that none of Roper's wounds were inflicted post-mortem, and he died from the totality of his injuries rather than any single blow, which I think is worse. In mitigation, to try to not get the death penalty here,

Dickerson calls a bunch of witnesses from the Charleston County Detention Center where he's being held pending trial who all testified he's a model prisoner. That is not a character witness. You can't bring in other prisoners to come in and go, he's actually a good guy. He's not a bad dude.

And like prison guards, like he doesn't rape half as much as the other inmates. His rape is super minimal. It's not even that big of a problem for us. He's doing fine that those can't be your people that are backing you up all they're all wearing uniforms of some kind and we already know that he adapts well to prison yeah he's fine of course he's a model

prisoner he's better there right uh he also he can't do anything else like yeah he's watched all the time he is very well monitored and his criminal behavior yeah he keeps getting out of prison doing something violent and going back to prison he's not like he gets caught trying to fucking you know sell a little coke to support his kids or something and they're putting him in three strikes and it's fine he's fucking attacking people he's a menace to society this fucking guy a prison guard at uh bubba's house maybe this doesn't go down this doesn't go down you never know, they probably just look the other way anyway. Fucking prison guards. Who knows?

So he also calls several witnesses. They testified to his extensive drug use. They say basically his brain is just riddled by drugs. It's destroyed. His childhood trauma. And he had tons of childhood trauma, which I can imagine with a father like he had.

I can't imagine he didn't have childhood trauma and mental problems. Like I said, all of these things. Terrible. Yeah. You can't torture someone for fucking your girlfriend. I'm sorry. I don't care what your life has been like before that. They further said that the witnesses said that they thought he suffered from cocaine

psychosis and some sort of paranoid disorder. cocaine psychosis and some sort of paranoid disorder. Now, also, his cousin, Jeanette Watson, testified on his behalf. She said that he'd always been like a brother to her. He's a good person who just got mixed up in the wrong things with the wrong people and then tortured those people. He led the charge. He leads the charge to torture a man. That's not wrong people.

Like I said, he didn't get pulled over and they had a bunch of coke they were going to sell. Oh, man. Wrong people. Damn. He got in a big bar fight. Somebody fell, hit their head. Oh, the wrong crowd. He literally checked his ex-girlfriend or his girlfriend.

She should be an ex by now. I would think. He literally checked her phone, found a video, and then tried to hunt a guy down. Not tried to. Immediately did. For sure. Within an hour. He was putting things up the guy's ass within an hour. checked her phone found a video and then tried to hunt a guy down not tried to immediately did within an hour he was putting things up the guy's ass within an hour tried to he didn't take the picture with him he tried to match the dick with the one in his head and his head is clearly fucked up it's not right it's a little nuts yeah so she testified all that shit uh the court did not

permit her to testify though as to what the impact of his execution would have on their family uh because mainly because her family uh they said that her family would have been devastated as it already lost two close family members to homicide not to mention his dad died in prison and this is this family is has had some issues sure not not not a not an upstanding not a country club family i I would say. They're murdering and getting murdered. Yeah, they're having a lot of problems here. This is a generational issue with this family. Hatfields and McCoys. Yeah.

This is crazy. A little of both, I feel like, here, though. Now, the deliberations here. Before the deliberations, this is not normal, and I don't understand why. I don't know if this is allowed in North South Carolina. They didn't really make an issue out of it. But he was able to speak to the jury before it reached before his the sentencing phase. The prosecutor said that his performance, which included a loud plea and waving his arms around like I didn't fucking do it, blah, blah, blah.

But no sense of regret or sadness about the crime. She said probably likely won't win him any points. She said, quote, he was, in my view, very aggressive and claimed to have no part of it, which is the exact opposite thing you want to have from the jury. No remorse and super aggressive. And you're scaring them. And that's not under oath. That's just a statement.

That's just a statement. It's weird because that's under a judge's discretion because oj was allowed to do that too did you know that i didn't oj was allowed to address the fucking court and he did not no he did he did it he tests this is before the jury deliberated he didn't testify in his own behalf so at that point he should not be allowed to make a fucking statement if you want to say something you get on the stand and say and then get cross-examined about it the judge fucking ito let him i could do oj for memory let him stand up and say give like a three he talked for a while he was like oh uh you know i just really want to get this over with and get out

of here and be able to see my kids and this whole thing was that when he said he wanted to go find the real killer no no that was later that was like he said he wanted to go find the real killer? No, no, no, that was later. He said, I just want to find, you know, I just want this to be over with and put my family back together and put all this behind me. All right, thank you very much. And then he sat down and then the jury went to deliberate.

It's like, you can't fucking do that. They let this guy do it, but it wasn't as effective. OJ had a team telling him what to do. Act calm, talk about your family, act like this is just a nightmare and you need it to be over for your kids. This guy went, I didn't do it, motherfuckers. Vote not guilty. Vote not guilty.

And they're like, oh, my God. For Christ's sake, OJ, do not make stabbing motions or rub blood off your hands. Put your hands in your pockets and make your statement. Oh, by the way, you can see this man's teeth when his mouth are closed. It's closed, by the way. They stick out and it's not great. So any statement he makes to the jury is going to frighten them anyway yeah uh so they only needed about two hours to deliberate it's scary is it like both both levels are pushed through there's just like some white

shit coming through like there's some teeth there that aren't doing what they're supposed to do. And they're trying to make an escape. That is too fucking mouth. And it's going to happen soon, I feel like. So they they come back after two hours and they recommend that the court impose because now they have to wait for the judges. The final say, but they recommend that the court impose a sentence of death, finding the state proved all three aggravating circumstances beyond a reasonable doubt. So the judge then says, quote, This was about pain. It was about making Gerard suffer.

And the jury got that. The facts of this case were so over the top. You, sir, may fuck off. Death penalty for you. You bet. So he gets the death penalty. Circuit judge here. Formula after the sentence, he says this, quote, this quote good luck to you sir god go with you you just sentenced a man to

death and then said good luck to you i guarantee you that that's not going to happen guaranteed good luck to you it's like that's a that's an ado like like if i said hey jimmy have a good one get taller thanks sure i'll go out and do that. Good luck. Thanks a lot. Sweet. Hey, what a thing to say. Good luck getting out of this shit.

Yeah. Good luck to you, sir. God, go with you, he says. And get the fuck out of my courtroom with both of you. Jesus Christ. I'm going to say to you, sir, what that dude's mom said fuck off my phone fuck off my phone quit playing around on the phone quit playing around on my telephone now uh jesus the defense lawyer said afterwards he figured it was a bad omen when the jury took

only about two hours to decide the life or death uh he said he explained to dickerson moments before the verdict was read he said that dickerson, OK, and waited to hear it. He said, quote, I think his only reaction was to put his head down. He didn't have a comment as such. He came into the courtroom optimistic. That shows you he's not right in the head there. The prosecutor says she hopes the verdict sends a message that the county will not tolerate this level of violence. I would hope no one would.

tolerate this level of violence i would hope no one would right uh she noted during the sentencing by the way that dickerson had two guns on him and could have killed roper anytime he wouldn't ever even have to take him in the car could have killed him when he found him could have killed him in the car could have killed him outside could have brought him in there killed him right away killed him at his own house could have killed him yeah we could have killed him at any point he wanted to and instead he decided to keep him hostage and torture him for 18 hours that's kind of what the death penalty was like made for is what she was saying it's kind of custom made for it now Roper's mother

Shireen S-H-A-R-E-E-N Shireen she said she was overwhelmed and speechless about the death penalty she said while the verdict gives her some peace she also feels for dickerson's family uh she says quote i know they've just i know they've taken a loss just like i have and

it's not a great feeling so this poor was a nice she's a nice woman who actually like you know cares about people and uh isn't like a fuck them now they can feel like it too she feels bad that they're going to feel the same things that's well sure it's probably riddled with guilt too that she'll take that phone call that's the other thing yeah or at least try to find him yeah so uh one juror who asked not to be identified anonymous juror uh he said that uh basically they didn't they were they were against the death penalty go they were against it going in the jury kind of all of them and then after they heard all the shit they were talked they were convinced because they're like this guy's a fucking asshole uh they said quote all of us

didn't really like the idea of us deciding that someone should be put to death but the case itself was just so clear i think we all really liked the like all really liked in the first part that we uh did know without a shadow of a doubt that he was guilty we all knew so that's good to know he said quote it was such a brutal crime as much as we didn't like the idea of the death penalty we really felt for the family of the victim and the children a lot i don't blame them yeah that's that's a tough one there and i'm not really into the death penalty but this is one where you're like jesus somebody fucking he shouldn't live dickhead yeah now uh after all this now they turn their attention to more people charged in the case like his brother arm onman, like Popcorn Malik over here.

And and also a lesser charge, Selena Rouse, who gets coming in and out here. So Rouse faces a charge of obstructing justice and being an accessory after the fact of a felony. All three of them testified at the trial, by the way, with no agreement in place. Oh, shit. But Dickerson and Malik both faced a murder charge and didn't get a murder charge. So, you know, they got something for it. The prosecutor says after the family's had a chance to decompress, we'll talk with them about whether or not there should be any offers put on the table with these three. How do any of them? They're all dumb.

They're all stupid as fuck yeah why would you open your dumb mouth knowing how stupid how goddamn stupid i don't know who gersh is is that his name was that was that the composer gershwin gershwin i don't know who that fucker is but i know i'm not gonna open my mouth if i know of a murder i'm not saying a goddamn thing in 1900s is gershwin by the way not the 1800s just so you know for later just when you no, I'm not going to open my mouth if I know of a murder. I'm not saying a goddamn thing. In 1900s is Gershwin, by the way, not the 1800s. Just so you know for later. Just when you look it up, you'll know. Write one or something.

So, yeah, so they're being held. Rouse is even getting, has $100,000 bail. No bail for the other two because they're being held on murder and kidnapping charges at first. So, like they said, Rouse has helped clean up and didn't do anything, and that's what they're saying here. So the prosecutor said, quote, all three of these people helped us out in the trial, and I think the judge understood and gave them some consideration. Dickerson, Armand, was originally charged with murder

but was allowed to plead to voluntary manslaughter, which is a lot less. He received an 18-year sentence with credit given for 22 months already served. That ain't nothing. That's nothing, especially when he gets out. Selena Rouse pleaded guilty to the original charge of accessory after the fact. She was sentenced to five years, but she'll already get credit for 374 days served so she's got a year in already they held her if she couldn't make a hundred thousand dollar bond good god fuck uh in the county oh fuck brutal uh rashid malik uh was charged with murder originally but pleaded guilty

to accessory after the fact and assault and battery and of uh of a high and aggravated nature i didn't know there was different ones there. He was sentenced to seven years on both charges, concurrent, with credit for 22 months already served. They said they'll be concurrent at the same time. So he'll be also after that, he'll have five years probation. So they all said that Dickerson was the main guy and they needed these people to testify. They said about Dickerson, quote, or the lawyer said, quote, he was the one who started it and did most of the damage and kind of drew these people in.

Not kind of. He threatened one guy under death. Right. He could have called the cops. That was his own death. Yeah. Fucking mama. Mom, baby, pregnant girlfriend.

Cut the baby out. He said these people were in a position where they could have stopped it and they just didn't do it. Yeah. They could have just called the cops and then it would have been over. It would have been over. Armand Dickerson, like we said, he's serving an 18-year sentence after all of that. Now, on appeal, Malik got out in 2011, by the way, after serving a few years for his deal. Selina Rouse was released in 2010, I want to say. And Arman was still in jail in the early 2010s.

I'm not sure where he is now. Now, on appeal, they bring up the circuit, the qualifying juror. They bring out the doctor wasn't allowed to talk about the urinalysis screen for four fucking hours. They bring up the he asked at the end of the guilt phase, Dickerson formally asked that he be charged as an accessory after the fact. Can they add that to the charges and have the jury choose from that?

Added. That way they can choose. That way they have a choice. It's not just guilty or not guilty. Because if they give lesser charges, they're giving the jury a choice. Maybe if we don't know if they're going to convict on first degree murder so we better put also manslaughter okay here they're saying can you put that on so they have a choice not just guilty or not guilty because they're going to want to put

they're not going to think i didn't do anything so maybe they'll give me a lesser thing and the judge said get the fuck out of here because that's not a lesser charge of murder it's a separate thing entirely that's almost nothing it's a separate thing in comparison to murder that's speeding but i mean involuntary manslaughter would fall under a lesser murder whereas this would fall under like something completely different like it might as well be cocaine trafficking it's not the same thing completely so uh also they said the uh they were talking about whether his cousin was allowed to testify regarding the impact of the potential execution on her family. So, I mean, after all this shit, they basically say with the juror that they said that they went through everything. They tried to say that the circuit judge was persuaded by the jurors consistent affirmation.

He would follow the law and wait to hear all the evidence because that's all you can ask of a juror and whether you believe that they can or not if they're saying they can you have to take they're under oath you have to take their word for it and say okay he said so especially if you don't have any strikes left you know there's no there's no cause to strike this person also they uh they said it's completely irrelevant uh that uh whether roper had cocaine in a system or not so that didn't fucking matter at all they followed the original trial court uh also they said that uh preventing the cousin from testifying would have no no effect on the jury at that point the case was what had effect on it they said quote any aspect of a defendant's character or record

and any circumstances of the offense that the defendant proffers as a basis for a sentence less than death. They're saying that's when they're presenting mitigating evidence. They go through the whole thing. It doesn't fucking matter. They say, who cares about your cousin? My cousin says I played Ninja Turtles when I was. Yeah. So I clearly didn't rape and murder this.

They didn't want the cousin saying that the family would be sad that's what he said he's like the whole thing would be different if my cousin was allowed to say my family would be sad which no i don't think that would fucking matter at all so uh he is uh that doesn't matter he's he goes away here uh now october 3rd 2011 there's another appeal appeal. The high court discounts all his arguments again. They say Dickerson's sentence is proportional, supported by the evidence, and is not a result of passion prejudice or any other arbitrary factor. Now, Dickerson now will ask the Supreme Court, state Supreme Court, to rehear the case, which is when it gets fucking interesting with all of this, because he has a new he has a new approach to the whole thing. Rather than they didn't let my cousin testify and Ropers did cocaine. Now he has a different approach. Now they're saying that the prosecutor is a racist.

That's the problem, which, oh, no, she might be. But in this case, it really didn't come up that much. This was all black on black crime. Number one, what they brought up. And number two, they said, well, that doesn't matter. She just wants to put black people in prison, which might be true. But this particular black guy, I also want to put in prison. So whatever she does with other black people sucks. And I don't know her records, but this particular guy, whatever fucking color he was, deserves to go to goddamn jail. What a silly thing. If she's indeed a racist, she's already celebrating because one's

dead yeah that's the thing yeah you being in prison doesn't matter to her at this point so i mean we don't want racist prosecutors so it's good to call that out when it's when it's actually a thing definitely but uh when you're just grasping at straws to get out of a torture uh death penalty beef you know it's a different story. She said that she has a, quote, huge problem with being called a racist. All right. And she says that it's immoral to select jurors on race. She said that they go through her whole thing, saying that there is a study commissioned by Dickerson's attorneys that analyzed the juror selection progress in his case and eight

other trials handled by this Scarlett Wilson. The study alleges that she was seven times more likely to exclude a black person from a jury than a white person. The allegations were against her and her character, obviously. Now, this ends up being found unsupported by the court. The judge said that many variables were sorely missing from the study conducted by Michigan State University School of Law. He referred to testimony from retired College of Charleston statistics professor who criticized the analysis as being incomplete.

He also said that the study failed to address even the mere existence of additional reasons for striking jurors, which is probably important based on criminal record. They also strike them a lot of times when you have any type of family been arrested. Have you been a victim of violent crime? That type of shit. They strike people for that sort of thing, too. They strike people for lots of reasons.

They strike people because they can't get there. They strike people because families and law enforcement. That's what I mean. Families and law enforcement. There's a million reasons to strike people. But I'm sure a lot of prosecutors strike based on race. I'm sure they fucking do. And I don't know if this one does or not.

But I think I think 300 black people would have convicted him. Never mind. Twelve. I'll bet. I'll bet she would have struck some white people if he was a white guy. Probably. Yeah. That's the thing.

I think they're trying to win at that point. So they said, quote, there's been no explanation as to why this bear study should be accepted. That's what the judge said. Also, they said that Dickerson's trial attorney should have. This is the appeal attorney saying that the trial attorney of Dickerson should have presented testimony that he suffered lead poisoning as a child. You're going to bring fucking lead lead you okay you can't you can't have a he tortured a guy for a fucking day and a half and lead did that it's i don't care if lead that's the thing once you do something that horrible nobody cares the circumstances you tortured a fucking guy and stuff and it's the thing once you stuff something up

somebody's ass no one has sympathy for all bets are off you have gone into ass play which is not on the fucking table for normal mental illness i'm sorry swinging at the fences with something as ridiculous as lead point you may as well say you suffered an injury from vaginal meth yeah or mesh yeah vaginal meth now that would be some shit right there. Ladies, get on that. Vaginal meth. It's for you. What am I doing?

So he also complained that they had the other people, not only the judge and the prosecutor, but the three other co-defendants, not co-defendants, but other people charged were all in a big conspiracy against Dickerson. Yeah. The judge called the lawyer's accusations, quote, slanderous. And he chose to recuse himself from the case because the guy was slandering him. And he was pissed off. All right, I've had enough of this shit. I'm leaving.

So this was actually, by the way, this whole thing was going on June 29th, 2018. Wow, just this year. I found this case a while ago and I knew this was going on. So I found this case a while ago, and I knew this was going on, and I'm like, I'm going to wait until the resolution of this because this fucking lead poisoning thing is cracking me up, and I need to know what the hell is going on with that. So now this whole thing, they shit-can him out of that, obviously. He is being held currently in the Kirkland facility,

so he's owned by Costco apparently. He's like a Costco milk or something. Making jeans and bottling water. That's all he's owned by Costco. Apparently he's like a Costco milk or something. Jeans and bottle and water. That's all he's doing. Making terrible polo shirts that are made of burlap that they stick up on there in the front. Hate that fucking store. Fuck you, Costco. You receipt checking cocksuckers.

So there are a couple of nice girls here in Phoenix that work at Costco and came to our show. That's good. Stop checking people's fucking receipts. Dude, start with starts with you. Yeah. Refuse it. Be like, just wave people by. Go. No, people's fucking receipts. It starts with you. Refuse it. Be like, just wave people by. Go.

No, thank you. Get the fuck. Keep going. Just go. No, I don't need to check your receipt. Get them out of that habit. So the next time they go, they're like, what do you mean you got to check my receipt? Now you've started something.

This is what you do. Get in their fucking brains. From the inside, we're going to beat this thing. Are we all, is there stealing going on at Costco? No. How easy the the difficulty it must you don't even have a bag to put it in right it's all in the open in a fucking carton fucking flatbed carton no bullshit i'm gonna steal a pallet of fucking pretzels i doubt it that's probably gonna get picked up so uh he is there he was for a while in the same facility

his father was in which is that's nice right there that's family uh now i found his prisoner record here uh he has earned no work credits during incarceration and he has earned zero education credits oh my god he's a lot of appeals and talks about lead poisoning but not a lot of bettering himself let me out he has some disciplinary issues in here nothing crazy though uh one in 2014 loss of a lot of bettering himself. Let me out. He has some disciplinary issues in here. Nothing crazy, though. One in 2014, loss of telephone privileges for 30 days due to, quote, disrespectful behavior. One was loss of visitation privileges for 30 days for refusing or failing to obey orders. And then another time, he lost his canteen privileges for 30 days and loss of telephone privileges for 30 days

and also visitation all at once for disrespectful behavior. Another. Another disrespectful behavior. At least he didn't stick anything up the guard's ass. So I would call that downright respectful compared to what fucking Gerard Roper had to endure. We don't know what happened. We don't know what happened.

That's true. We don't know the exchange. It could have been a filed off toothbrush right don't know fucking idea that's now that's disrespectful behavior that should be the title of this show disrespectful behavior because i would fucking say so so this guy's an asshole yeah uh he is currently awaiting death uh his appeals are getting struck down left and right uh these latest ones were kind of last gasp appeals. I'm sure he has a couple of habeas things or a couple of last gasps. But pretty much this guy is waiting for an execution date. And I really, really feel like if anybody's not going to get off on any kind of thing, it's going to be him.

Because there's no, he has no wiggle room. He's literally gone to lead poisoning. It's over, man. So give it up. There's not even any political like no to use it as to to give him a reprieve because he's not a sympathetic character it's not like you know they say he he shot a liquor store owner to make 50 to feed a starving baby he tortured a man and put things up his ass and burned his nutsack for fucking his girlfriend

that it may have been him. Might have been my girlfriend. Oh boy. The whole thing's fucking batty. So that's what happens with this shit here. And so he's in prison awaiting death. We'll see what happens. We'll keep you updated if he gets killed or somehow gets his sentence commuted. We'll let you know.

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