Small Town Murder - #87 - A Bloody Mess in Nitro, West Virginia

Episode Date: September 26, 2018

This week, in Nitro, West Virginia, a young girl is found, sending the town into a storm of action, and mistakes. The investigation is so much of a mess that it almost overshadowed the complete, and unnecessary brutality of the actual murder. It's a bad person, being pursued by inept people, and it makes for one of the craziest stories that we've ever done!! Along the way, we find out why only horses march in this town's parade, how much evidence can possibly exist before you're actually arrested, and what you should do when a bloody acquaintance shows up at your door at 4 o'clock in the morning!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday!!Please subscribe, rate, and review!Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!Head to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder!For merchandise: crimeinsports.threadless.comCheck out James and Jimmie's other show: Crime in Sports Follow us on social media!Facebook: facebook.com/smalltownpodInstagram: instagram.com/smalltownmurderTwitter: twitter.com/MurderSmall Contact the show: [e-mail] See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Small Town Murder. Yay! Oh, yay indeed, Jimmy. Yay indeed. My name is James Petrigallo. I'm here with my very ill co-host. I am Jimmy Wissman. Yeah, Jimmy has what I had a couple weeks ago, and it seems to have grown strong inside of you. And yeah, he's a mess this week. What a blast. If you hear a sniffle or if a cough accompanies a giggle, then we apologize.

But it's either this or nothing. This is what you get. This is it. I'm on two hours of sleep, and Jimmy's a sick disaster. I'll do my best to make some enthusiasm. We're going to have fun. That's the thing. These are usually, honestly, when we're at our punchiest is when we're digging deep. Or when we're gonna have fun that's the thing these are usually honestly uh when we're we're when we're at our punchiest is when we're uh it's when we're digging deep or when we're mad

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It is. We're comedians. We're stand-up comics. We are going to make jokes. That's how this works. That's just it. We're going to make jokes,'s how this works uh that's just it we're going to make jokes but we don't make horrible jokes we're not making jokes about dead people and things like

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a trip it was fun montana was a crazy crazy place But we're going to an even crazier place this week. We are going all the way to West Virginia, which is the Florida of the Mid-North. If you're too poor for Florida, West Virginia. And I don't mean that to make fun of West Virginia, because we've had a lot of listeners in West Virginia. And they're all really nice, and they're all really cool. I'm sure they're all wonderful people. We get the only ones that are cool. But the reputation of West Virginia is mainly contained in the wild and wonderful whites

of West Virginia. It's not positive. And we just figure that's, you know, just throughout the entire state. Sounds right. All whites. A state of all wild and wonderful whites of West Virginia just shaking pill bottles at each other. And we can't help it. Sorry. I don't know.

Make your image different. What do you want from us? There's coal parades that we see. That's all we see. I found a different kind of parade. Wait till we get to that. Oh, boy. We're going to West Virginia.

It's Nitro West Virginia. Like the circus? I was going to say, this wasn't like a shortened. It wasn't like Philip nitrogen from a Sir Philip nitrogen. They were like, it wasn't like nitro French and they shortened it to make it. Are you sure it's nitro and not nitro? Oh, no.

Or nitra? Oh, no. It's nitro because it is named after gunpowder. We'll get to that. It's fantastic. This is a crazy. The N in TNT named this town. This is a crazy shit town.

Right. This is a cartoon B in TNT named this town. This is a crazy shit town. Right. This is this is a cartoon Bugs Bunny town. Wow. The home of Yosemite Sam, I believe he hails from Nitro, West Virginia. It's in the western part of the state. West Virginia has panhandles all over the place or mainly in the east. And then it's got like a like a big pregnant belly that sticks out in the west over there. And that's kind of this is kind of in the in the belly section here. But you'd never know that by the behavior it's pure pure panhandle uh it's uh pretty

close about 20 minutes outside of charleston west virginia but it's it's it's out there though this place you would never know it's anywhere near any place uh with any sort of civs population especially when the case we're going to talk about occurs, because it's in a different time than now, and it makes it even crazier. It's about three hours to Cincinnati, about three hours and 20 minutes to Roanoke, Virginia. So it kind of sits in that area. It's in both Kanawha, and I know you're going to all tell me I'm pronouncing it wrong, and I don't give a shit.

True. Yeah, don't care, because it's only half in this county. It's half in Kanawha and half in Putnam County. So it's got two counties. Two counties. It's like that one in Maryland that we talked to. It's half in another state. Was that Mary Dell?

I think it's Mary Dell. Yeah, it's half in Maryland, half in Delaware. That's right. So that makes sense. Zip code 25143, area code 304, and one area code not enough to hold this place uh 681 as well another got them another uh 4.67 square miles so there you go uh yeah that's that's that's not bad right there and uh the motto here they do have a town motto it is quote a historic past an exciting future which is i don't know what what's so fucking exciting about it but they're pretty

goddamn excited about it daffy had his bill turned around backwards that's that's a good that's a good motto or yeah that's i don't know uh west virginia america's tissue america's used tissue and that by the way is not an insult to west virginia it's more of an insult of how west virginia is thought of and. We just extract everything we can out of the ground and then like toss the used tissue behind and we're like, I don't know, fuck those people. Clean up. Yeah, I don't know. Have a fucking parade and do some shit.

I don't know what you're doing. That's how America treats West Virginia, which is poor, I think. It's not well. It's not positive. They should be treated better is what I'm getting at. Anyway, history of this town. It's along the Kanawha River. That what I'm getting at. Anyway, history of this town. It's along the Kanawha River. That's why it's on that county, I guess.

Now, shortly after the U.S. entered World War I, so we're talking 1914, 1915 here, America had a shortage of gunpowder production. So whenever we have a war, and half of these fucking towns we've done have either started from it's either started from like we just just wanted to take it from the natives just because we felt like it or we needed some sort of factory for government munitions and then resources yeah of warfare and we said yeah we we have that and the war's over and then they leave behind a husk of a town right and uh and then it's not good no and then we come in and just talk about it and they're fine so that's somebody dies there

and definitely someone dies there but that might not have anything to do with what happens but this guy the person we'll talk about this week you never know there might be chemicals involved who the hell knows what's going on with this guy chemist no no he's not a chemist this is far from a chemist this is a no wait till you hear of a you're gonna go oh no this's not a chemist. This is far from a chemist. This is a no. Wait till you hear of a, you're going to go, oh, no, this is not a chemist at all. So it determined they couldn't produce enough gunpowder to supply the troops. So the Congress had an emergency session and passed the Deficiency Appropriations Act in 1917. This provided for the construction of three huge explosives plants capable of producing 500,000 pounds of gunpowder per day.

A day. A day, which is a shitload of gunpowder a day. What is gunpowder made out of? Half a million pounds of gunpowder. They say it's nitrocellulose, which I don't know what that is. They say that's an active ingredient in gunpowder. And that's what they found there. That's why they call it nitro.

Okay. Yeah. ingredient gunpowder and that's what they found that's why they call it nitro uh yeah so uh they the the war department sent engineers into a 10 state area to find the best locations for proposed plants and uh they were looking for security from coastal attacks climate conditions rail and water transportation and available raw materials and they select these these sites. And one was in Charleston, West Virginia. And then three months later, Nitro ended up being there. Beautiful. Yeah, so they ended up doing that.

They had a couple other ones. They were going to build one in Nashville and one in Louisville, but they didn't. They just kept it in Nitro. Because there's too many people. And if that shit explodes. Yeah, exactly. They're like, let's not. It's like a nuclear power plant.

There's one outside Phoenix. They're like, let's put it way outside. Way if it goes off they won't hear it right like they'll die but they won't go what the fuck was that oh gross and if we don't die then we'll have shit growing out of shit that oh it's gonna be it's gonna be ugly yeah it's gonna it's gonna absolutely be in the radiation zone but rather than put these two more plants out there they just said the two we have in charleston and and uh here in Nitro, let's just increase their production. Jack them up. Fuck it.

Jack them up. 700,000 pounds per day from each of them, which is pretty impressive. That's a lot. The name of the town, Nitro, was selected. Now, these towns, sometimes it's like a contest. They did a lottery. And a kid names it. Or sometimes it's like, you know, named after, as we know, but with douchebags from times past.

This was selected as the this is the most heartfelt and soulful name you can get from the ordinance department. The ordinance department was some department of the government that passes ordinance. That does some shit. They picked nitro. They picked nitro. They picked nitro. It was derived from the chemical term nitrocellulose, which has identified the type of gunpowder that was to be produced. So they did that. It was between nitro and redwap, which as an Italian, you can't say that. I'm sorry.

Well, you can. I don't care really. Is that two words? No, one word, redwap. What is that? I don't know if that's a half Indian, half Italian. Oh, you know what that is? That's powder backwards.

But it's powder spelled backwards. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's exactly what that is. How did I just do that in my own head? Because you were really trying to figure it out. I'm like, why the fuck would they do that? I saw you going in from all the angles. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, you were like a raccoon with a closed garbage can. You were like, the side doesn't work. Let me get on top. Fuck, that's no good. I just kicked the rug off and was like, it's powder, James. Look in here. You were like, lips and assholes.holes sorry we have to have a great outdoors reference we just can't help it so uh yeah i'm nitro a better name yeah i guess it's it's funny that even in the 1917 they came they came up with a douchey name yeah like just a super douchey blonde spiky tipped name

you're gonna call it Nitro, bro. It's going to be fucking awesome. Redwap might be worse. Redwap is terrible. It's like naming your daughter Nevaeh. You know what I mean? Or Heaven Backward. That is the douchiest fucking thing on earth.

Redwap. But red, that sounds terrible. Yeah, it does. It's got a slur in it. It does. You can't have a slur in your fucking town name. Kind of, too. You know what I mean?

Yeah, that's what I mean. Because a red man is not good, either. Red and NWAP. Yeah, that's not great. Indian fucking Italian? You know what I mean? Yeah, that's what I mean. Because a red man is not good either. Red and WAP. Yeah, that's not great. Indian fucking Italian? Is that what that is? That's what I would say. Half Indian, half Italian guy.

What's up, Red WAP? That's what they called him. I feel like that's what it was. That's hysterical. If I was Indian and Italian, I'm just Italian, but I don't think I'd be comfortable living there. Let's change this fucking name. Let's change it. So workers came from everywhere, every state in the Union, and 41 different nationalities,

which is interesting. They worked the labor force here in the wartime. In 11 months, they built this plant. They made 772 acres of pastures and cornfields into a giant munitions plant, which is absolutely insane. Fuck corn. Fuck corn. We don't need shit. Fuck corn. Fuck corn.

We don't need shit. Fuck farmland. Let's get out of here, Farmer Bill. We don't need to eat. We're just going to... I mean, gunpowder sells. It makes money. Well, especially if the government's buying as much of it as you can possibly make. If it's all subsidized, you can make a shitload of money.

That's true. So by the time the war's over here in 1918, the manufacturing complex was known as Explosive Plant C. And we're going to see a couple of famous people actually work there. It was producing 350 tons of smokeless gunpowder per day, which is insane. The town was also 90% complete at that time, and there was about 24,000 people there, which is way more than there is now we'll say that here uh they they had all nice houses they had utilities they had a school system police fire hospital they had like the whole thing they built in two years they put up a fucking town wow and with full like out of nowhere like they just like a lego town just constructed like it's disneyland

main street it's always been here it's great. Like, Main Street. It's always been here. It's great. There's the ice cream shop. Enjoy it. That's how well war sells. Yeah. Smells like vanilla. Good job. Smells like gunpowder, though. Yes.

Well, it smells worse than that, actually. Sulfur. We'll get to what it smells like, because it's actually got a nickname based on it. Oh, it's got a specific one? Oh, very. Oh, all right. It's got its own little potpourri that's wafts out of it. Within two weeks after the war ended, 12,000 people left town.

That's half the town. That's gone within two weeks. So, I mean, everything you've built up. And if you're like, let's say you have a diner in that town and you're slinging food around, everything's going great. Half the town leaves in a two-week period. What the fuck happened? Or if you get sick and now all the doctors are gone. Yeah, you're pissed that the war's over.

You're like, oh, come on on somebody go back out and some isn't there some of those germans have to be left to kill god damn it jesus christ let's keep looking for somebody and we found more just recently that's it should have kept the town going that's to keep it going there was one living in fucking new york like three weeks ago that's what i mean so i they're out there they're out there everybody this town was like come on looking so uh production was halted and the uh hercules powder company was ordered to begin uh putting the plant in mothballs as they called it which is just putting it down uh in 1919 the director of explosive plant c formally turns the operation over to the dreaded ordinance department uh since they have everything here uh the government uh declared the entire reservation surplus and uh just began you know

disposing of the property pretty much tearing it down and that sort of shit is surplus it's surplus we don't care about you the town that no one gives a shit about america's used tissue how how shitty must that feel that's why i said that because they used this town and then threw the husk away like a used tissue clean yourself off exactly yeah that's what it was through a couple hundred dollar bills and a tissue and say wipe that off your face it's gonna drip in your eye sweetheart fucking walked away gross so uh they continued to maintain all the all the uh facilities in town though with just less people there. So they had workers and their families and

mostly everybody there was just like security guarding the shut down government shit. That was the whole town's thing is you watching that shit tonight? I guess I'm watching it. That was all to everybody was employed by the government watching shit. That's terrible. It's super weird and they're super into World War One here.

The town is known as a quote living memorial to world war one which is very exciting chemical war and world war one not a real not a good time not a good time it just it's not a good time in history clouds of mustard gas floating over the place that's what you want the whole country just owning people it's fucked up it's bad it's It was a bad time. World War I, no, that was past that. Really? That was 1915. I'm sure that was still so. We were 50 years past that.

But in the South, I'm sure it wasn't great anyway. I'm an idiot. You just had your dates mixed up. You're very ill. It's the Robitussin topic, Jimmy. No, I'm stupid. That's what it is. Let's blame it on Robitussin, Jimmy.

I'm going gonna give you a credit for your i see world war one as like uh when i in my head i see it as like the civil war like that's what they the people look like muskets and shit no no picture world war ii but nobody knew how to use these horrible weapons that we had yeah that was the thing they had all these horrible weapons and they're like all right so let's line up across from each other and just shoot and then they said oh fuck this we are way too close we haven't had a war in a long time but we keep making weapons that are better and better and we just haven't had a chance to figure out how to kill people with them yet shit world war one was fucked up so then they just dug holes and sat in them let's just sit in these fucking

holes and rot for years is that the one where they put up like barbed wire across trenches oh dude yeah it was all trench warfare and fucking then they got into the chemical warfare with mustard gas and yeah it was it was bad stuff and like you shoot it at the enemy and the enemy is still like 50 feet away and now you must have asked yourself going toward them that's the thing if there's been times when they would release mustard gas and then the wind would shift and it would go back at them and then fuck it's not an exact science. It's literally a canister and you put it on the ground. You go, OK, everybody move and clouders of shit comes out. It's like it's like a Scooby Doo fucking ploy.

It's insane. Or a ninja. Yeah, it's a ninja move. Exactly. And you disappear and you pop up on the other side and kick the guy in the face. So this this whole area is known as the Chemical Valley, which is nice. That's what you want to be known as. At its peak in the late 50s and early 60s was the leading producer of chemicals in the world.

In the fucking world, this area. Wow. So think about this. This tiny area. And 50s and 60s. So in the 50s and 60s, there were no environmental laws. I don't give a shit if you're an environmentalist or not. It was better to not put shit in the rivers.

And I grew up next to the Hudson River. When I was a kid in the 80s, you weren't allowed to touch the water because it still was shit. Now, people swim in it. They're fishing and shit. They're out of their minds. They were still recovering from this where people wouldn't touch. I want to go swimming. They're like, no, don't touch that.

Not that one. Jesus, it'll burn your skin off. We'll get in the tub. Jesus Christ. Yeah, you wouldn't eat. No one would go swimming. They're like, no, don't touch that. Jesus, it'll burn your skin off. Get in the tub. Jesus Christ. Yeah, you do. You wouldn't eat. No one would eat fish out of there. No, you fished in the river.

You would throw it back. It's like, I'm not fucking eating that. That's disgusting. Rather than taking the hook out. You're not touching that fucking thing. Yeah. So, yeah, anyway, this was imagine all the shit that these chemical companies were dumping into the ground and the rivers.

I mean, anyone from here in this area has to have some sort of There's illness. There's some fucked up shit going on here. Residual illness. Yeah, I would say so. So, yeah, this whole place just really kind of fell apart there. There was a 12-acre

site there that was placed on the EPA's, which is the Environmental Protection Agency, if you're not from the U.S., national priorities list in 1983, which is the site of the former chemical munitions plant, which for World War I, because they also made that there. So all of this shit breaks down poorly, too. And they're living on the plant. They're living around it. Yeah, it's it's it's awful.

It has it's known for its distinctive chemical smell, this town, especially in the area, they say, of the I-64 bridge. Although they've had a shift away from manufacturing in the region in the last 20, 30 years. That's kind of reduced the issues a little bit. But I can't imagine how long it takes for these chemicals to dissipate once they've been in the water supply. Like a pool? Like chlorine-style? Who knows? I don't know. I it takes for these chemicals to dissipate once they've been in the water supply. Like a pool? Like chlorine-style? Who knows? I don't know.

I wonder what that smell is. I'm so happy I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm right with you. I'm thrilled about that. In February of 2012, Monsanto, who we'll find out one of our people worked for. Yeah, this guy worked for him that we're going to talk about here. which is one of our people worked for.

Yeah, this guy worked for him that we're going to talk about here. Agreed to settle a case covering dioxin contamination around the plant in Nitro that made Agent Orange. So they had, you know, contamination from Agent Orange in this town. What year was this? I'm not sure when this happened. I believe it was in the 60s that happened, but I don't know the exact year. Well, Santo, been being a piece of shit for 50 years. they're just making shitty yeah making fucking agent orange uh they agreed to pay up to nine million dollars for cleanup of affected homes 84 million dollars for medical monitoring of people affected and the community's legal fees wow so they uh they did something something uh

oh they knew too of course back then they used to just dump shit and it was like go ahead and dump it it was it was great, go ahead and dump it. Everybody was like Mr. Burns from The Simpsons. Just fucking evil. They also, this is amazing. This is fucking awesome. This is from the town's Wikipedia page here. I don't know how true this is, but I hope it's true because it's hilarious.

In 2001, a clone aid operated a lab in Nitro that was tied to the Raelians. The Raelians, you know who those people are? No. Jesus Christ, how to fucking explain the Raelians. They're insane people, these people. From Raelia? It's such a long story that it would have to be Nevermind the Town. Let's just explain what this is.

There's a lot of... Last podcast on the left did a very good episode on it if you want to hear it in a funny way all right uh bill maher made fun of it on the religious documentary i watched the documentary i don't know this it's on the extras the railing guy but anyway uh they said that it was located inside a rented room within the former high school and the fda said that the equipment in the lab was state-of-the-art and had been bought by uh a this sounds like insanity, like a former West Virginia legislator. Sounds like a crazy conspiracy theory that someone stuck on the Wikipedia page that I don't think is true.

And this case is so crazy, I really didn't have time to research this part, and I don't care. It's got to be not true, right? Let's hope it's true. I would hope not. Major League Baseball player Lou Burdette was born here in 1926. He played in the 40s. It was also a country singer named Kathy Matea.

I don't know who the fuck that is. She went to Nitro High. Don't know her. Clark Gable, the big famous actor, actually worked at Explosive Plant C in 1918. That's amazing. worked at Explosive Plant C in 1918. That's amazing. He did also a famous baseball Hall of Famer pie trainer worked at Explosive Plant C in 1918 also.

Wow. So in this one plant in 1918, they had a future Hall of Fame baseball player and a future world famous, crazy famous Hollywood actor. Like, we're going gonna get out of this place see and they're like yeah fuck you you're not going anywhere like i am see pretty soon there's gonna be talking in them movies and then i'm gonna really take off wait look at my face see this mustache look at me i'm built for i'm beautiful damn it he was a handsome son of a bitch he wasn't before he started working at the chemical plant and then he was that's actually

that's actually uh from years of horrible chemicals exposure and it just made him handsome it's disfigurement actually but somehow it turned into handsome it's amazing chiseled jaw that's what happens uh people in this town population 6 763 which is down one percent since 1990 can't imagine why anyone would want to leave median age here is 44 years old it's a little above the 37 years old which is down 1% since 1990. Can't imagine why anyone would want to leave. Median age here is 44 years old. It's a little above the 37 years old, which is normal. Way more females than males. Way more.

And there's not a ton of old people here. It's pretty average in the elderly department. So this is strange. 56% female, which is way out of whack for a town, especially of almost 7,000 people, which is a pretty good sample size. It's built with bombs. Yeah, it's strange.

All the other stats are really close, though. Married is about 50-50. All those are on point. Separated, never married, all those are pretty close. Divorced is about 20% of the population. It's about 10% normally, so a little more divorce here for some reason, but that's about it, though.

Everything else is pretty close. Racially, race of this town, 97.46% white. It's a lot of white. It's a very, very white town. About 63% is the norm. 0.55% black. Not a lot of black people. 0.13% Asian.

That's really scaled down quite a bit here. What's the average asian in the country five percent four point nine five percent not even point two not even close it's not even uh a fifth of one percent uh also uh hispanic is point three four percent so that's wow that's no that's normally about 17 so that is excessive that's very white uh 37 of the people here are religious uh which is actually kind of lower than I would think. But in this area, who the hell knows? It's a Baptist or a lot of Baptists here.

A lot of other Christian faith. Not a lot of Catholics here. Not surprising. Very much so. Point zero two percent Jewish. They found it. So they found a couple there. There might be more, but they're hiding in the mines.

They're like, we don't trust. They likely own the town. Yeah, we don't trust these fucking people in this town. They're lawyers for Monsanto. Lawyers for Monsanto. Possibly, possibly, or I don't know. 0.0% Islam, which obviously this is West Virginia. I don't know.

Not a big Muslim population there. But it's about 55% Republican in the last election they voted, about 43% Democrat. Yeah, West Virginia actually skews even more Republican than that normally. So I don't know what happened here. So unemployment rate here is right on par with normal. It's about 5.3 percent it's right there household income median household income usually about 54 000 in the country here it's about 45 000 okay so a little bit less but we'll see cost of living's a little lower too

uh the jobs are uh i mean there's more mining and quarrying and shit normally it's like barely any here it's two percent so i don't know the ground has something and i want it they're still pulling it they're it's something in there damn it they're pulling out i'm gonna get it yeah i swear to god i don't know what it is but it's something damn it i found a rock maybe it's blue sapphires like in montana possibly from last week uh so it's just rocks that glow they're glowing rocks i don't know i don't know why it glows they smell like like rotten eggs, but I feel like that's something. I feel like that's good. Taste it, Ethel.

Will you put this in a soup? Put this on your tongue and see if it feels like a nine-volt battery. Can you make a stew from this, please? I feel like it would be delicious. Overall cost of living, 100 is par average. Season the burgoo with it. Season our, hey, put the burgoo, put the chemical average. Season the burgoo with it. Hey, put the burgoo, put the chemical glowing rock in the burgoo.

Put it on in there. Look, the burgoo lights up. Oh, look at that. That's pretty. And it's bubbling and smokes. It looks like a witch's cauldron. This is going to be great for Halloween. That's how them witches do it, with them glowing rocks. Cost of living, 100 is average.

Here, it's about 80, and that is because the housing is low. Normally, 216 is the regular in the country. The average here, it's 82,700. It's the average home price. A lot of houses in the $60,000 to $150,000 range. Here, not a lot over $ you know 400 000 that doesn't exist here and if we've convinced you i don't know how the only place that you can be is in the chemical valley of nitro uh we have for you the nitro west virginia real estate report

found a two-bedroom or your average two-bedroom whatever rental here is about $750, which is a good price, about $400 less than the national average, but the housing is way cheaper than that. I found a three-bedroom, two-bath, 1,376-square-foot house. Looks like the place where the poor kid from Willy Wonka lives. Oh, really? Yeah, it looks like everyone sleeps on the floor in the living room and one big mat.

$54,900 for that. I found a three-bedroom, two-and-a-half bath, 1,896-square-foot house. This one's a little bit nicer, but still, it's a little crusty. It looks very muddy. Everything looks fucking muddy. Really? $109,900.

The ground just never dries out? It just looks like it never dries. It's just full of chemical all the time. Just wet with ah, slipped on the chemicals again. Holds fucking moisture. And then if you're doing very well, if you own the mine here, the owner of a coal mine, he flips a nickel and wears a monocle

and a top hat, a five bedroom seven bath. A tumor on his neck definitely uh 6800 square foot beautiful uh brick house uh 895 000 my fuck so move to west not in the town that's in the town that's in the town wow that's like i said a big one that's he oversees his workers i'm sure it sits atop a hill. My fuck. Things to do here. Good Lord. In May, they have the annual all horse parade, which. No. What?

It's the all. It's just horses. So it's the pre. Open the pen. It's the pre day of horse shit cleanup parade. That's what this is pretty much. It's for a nice cause. That's what sucks.

We had to make fun of it before we get the causing because it honors and remembers all women and horses who have served in the u.s military women but it's not a women and horse march it's just horses just horses but it's to honor women and horses who've been in the military the horses i got a hint for you they didn't fucking know they were in military or or erasing a thing they have no fucking idea what they were doing i don't think they can even see purple i don't know their heart i don't think they feel honor in walking i don't think they know what's going on they're actually quite scared yeah we keep the women on the side so you're telling me there's a road yeah with with people lining it and they just looking at horses yeah mule and they all just run i feel like there's gotta be a guy in front

uh directing this traffic there's a grand be a guy in front directing this traffic. There's a grand marshal. A couple dudes on this. Well, you know what? Maybe put a couple of women out there so they can remember. I don't know what the fuck, man. What the fuck is that? It starts at noon.

There's horses, ponies, donkeys, wagons, and sulkies. What the fuck is a sulky? Not a person. I don't know what that is. Hopefully that's a woman who's been in the military. I hope. Guiding these horses from start to finish they compete in several categories for cash prizes uh which is fucking amazing and it's kid friendly they're gonna cover up the giant horse cocks for you so there's that i don't know they're gonna be sheathed these horse friendly god that's what it says.

Kid friendly. Horse cock in a holster. Wow. What is that? Crime rate in this town, property crime, is actually high. It's about 10 to 15% above average here in this small town. And violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and assault, the Mount Rushmore of crime, is less than half the national average.

Wow. It's low as fuck. Super safe. So it's a very safe town. We're going to go back in time, actually, here to a time when it was even safer, but not completely in all the time, as we'll find out here. We're going to go back in time. I think this is the farthest we've ever gone back in time.

Okay. We've gone back. What's the earliest you can remember? I think 73. Yeah, like that one in Illinois. And the one where the guy was stealing kids. El Dorado, Illinois. There was that. I think South Lake Tahoe was early, too. That was 80s, I think 73. Yeah, like that one in Illinois. And the one where the guy was stealing kids. El Dorado, Illinois. There was that.

I think South Lake Tahoe was early, too. That was 80s, I think. That was 80s, 85, 86. Somebody had a 70s fucking Dodge car. Yeah, yeah. There was a lot of the people that had that because they're just fucking poor in 1993. That's all it was. You can have a 78 Bonneville in 93 if you're poor.

Here, we're going to go all the way back. We are going to be spinning and flying and clocks are turning for a long time to get all the way back to 1966. So this is a different time completely in America and in the world and everywhere

for Christ's sake. 1966 is another planet. Was Martin Luther King speaking around then? He was not at this point. Was he dead yet point i believe he was dead or did he die in like 68 or 69 68 robert kennedy 2 was it the same year i think so are we wrong i don't know i don't know martin luther king like i see black and white footage you know i see black and white footage why am i blanking on more i thought it was 64 i thought it was right after kennedy i thought that was i see i see. I see the other Kennedy on the floor of a hotel room.

No, it wasn't. Yeah. In a kitchen. OK. With with color. With color TV. Martin Luther King was there when Lyndon Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act. OK.

That I've seen. So that I'm positive. And that was after. Why am I forgetting this? This is fucking embarrassing. It's probably 66. This is embarrassing. I'm I'm horrified.

Do you want me to Google it? Later. When we after the show, we'll Google it because this is I really want i'm horrified do you want me to google it i later when we after the show we'll google it because this is i really want to put this behind me this is i feel like this is lack of sleep because i we should we should know this both of us this is no no no don't count on me i like history this is ridiculous and i'm i'm just having like a complete like what i do know is that the guy that killed him or is convicted of killing him because there's like some shit all right yeah he's still in prison and alive

yeah oh yeah yeah he's so it's not too far off it's no no well we know we know within a five year period of when it was we're just having problems between 62 and 68 it's definitely after 64 because lyndon johnson signed the civil rights. So that was 64. Never mind. All right. Moving on. Hey, everybody, just going to take a quick break from the show to tell you a little bit more about the New Yorker magazine. The New Yorker is such good stuff. It's a it's a brilliantly written magazine. First of all, it is fantastic. They talk about all the things that you want to hear about in The New Yorker. First of all, they publish some of the best writers in the world. Some of these articles are really fascinating, written by brilliant people.

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It's a cool morning. It's November in West Virginia. Waking up to go to work. Yes. The Nitro City Police Department gets a report from a person, an anonymous call, they don't know from who, that there's a body a assumed presumed dead body i don't know why just somebody would be lying in a near dead looking position uh there's a body lying near the nitro high school like on the property of the high school uh the report was

received uh by two nitro city policemen a charles sisk and a sergeant there, Sergeant Johnson, went to the scene and found a body. And the body is of a very young girl, preteen girl, lying doubled up with some of her clothes missing. And the rest are all in shambles. And she's dead. And she's definitely most certainly dead. Oh, boy. Yeah. So this is an odd thing to find in the morning.

And for us, this is a hot start. Not that this is a good thing but we usually we build up a story this is we're there's got a body there's a body it's and it's it's fucking it's a bad one too this is a young girl uh uh she is in bad shape too i mean this isn't uh what happened to her there's no question about how she was murdered basically uh her body has numerous stab wounds everywhere. The pathologist was examined the body later on, and he ends up finding that she has 46 stab wounds. That's a lot. Forty six.

That is a lot covering many, many all over her body. She's just covered in 46 stab wounds. They were all inflicted in a comparatively short amount of time, too. So they were all at once. This wasn't like somebody went back to it after a while. Stab some more. This was one big burst. He also says that her death was caused as a result of two or three deep stab wounds, which ended up penetrating the chest and back in the area of the heart and lungs.

Good Christ. And that's what ended up killing this poor girl uh yeah so this is horrible right off the bat this is a everybody's fucking nightmare here is a you know a young girl dead in a in a high school at a high school in a high school you know in a savage way savage yeah like i said this isn't like oh what happened did she get hit by a car and crawl over here or something? Somebody was angry. Someone meant this shit. Yeah. Near the area the body was found also of this girl, officers here found a hunting knife

and the holster, the little scabbard thing for the hunting knife, and both appeared to have blood on them. Was it back in it? No, no, no. and both appeared to have blood on them. Was it back in it? No, no, no. The knife was stuck in the ground about eight feet from the body and the sheath for the knife was about ten feet farther than that away.

So it was body, eight feet knife, another ten feet sheath of the knife. So which is saying drop that, stab, stab, and stick in the ground on your way out. I don't know what the, I don't know. I don't know how this, we'll find out here. The problem here, too, is they're trying to find out who this girl is, and they're figuring this is a young girl. She's obviously, like I said. Somebody's going to have a report of this.

Somebody's going to be missing her. They don't just let, girls don't just disappear in a small town in the 60s without somebody notifying somebody. disappear in a small town in the 60s without somebody make notifying somebody exactly so uh they the problem is they don't end up finding it out till late in the morning who this girl is because uh they end up finding when this girl's grandfather and other relatives end up identifying her at the hospital while she was being examined uh she was only 12 years old they found out good christ uh 12 years old she was a little larger for her age she was tall these girls they shoot up a lot of times quicker so she's about a hundred women yeah

yeah you're still waiting it's about uh she's about 135 pounds uh and a tall girl for her age she's just you know she's a she's sprouted up early uh um and she uh uh but she's 12 years old uh they got samples of her blood and hair and, you know, were given to the police, obviously. They ended up finding out that it was a girl who failed to return home after babysitting, but they didn't, she was supposed to spend the night where she was babysitting.

And then she didn't. So nobody was looking for her. Right. So they didn't, they weren't, didn't get worried until, you know, 10 o'clock the next morning. Like, where is she now? And that's when they started getting worried and said, hey, maybe where's our daughter? And they fuck.

Why don't you come down here and take a look? We have we might be able to know where she is, which is the most horrible thing ever. Good God. Yeah. Because those parents slept in bed thinking everything was fine. And while this was happening and they had no idea, they thought she was fine. They woke up and had breakfast. You know, that's what I mean. Everything's fine's fine oh when's she getting home oh no and then she doesn't get home which is jesus horrifying this is every every parent's nightmare is what

this is this is horrifying and uh we both have daughters especially so it's horrifying even more uh yeah uh so this girl's only four years away from my daughter's four years away from that age yeah that's what i mean that's so close it's it's right there it's right there is so little no it's it's it's fucking 12 and i mean she was staying having an overnight babysitting job but and they said too that she oftentimes had to do that but it wasn't like all the time like it was very loose like first of all nowadays 12 year olds don't really babysit. 12-year-olds have babysitters now. Back then, 12 was like, she's ready to work at a factory on the assembly line. What are you talking about?

She can go ride a horse into battle. She's 12. She should marry her cousin any week now, I think, right? Yeah. If one of her cousins has a decent job, I'll fucking marry her off right now. West Virginia? That's what I mean. That's what it was like back then.

You might leave the wife for her. Who the fuck knows? You never know. Anything's possible. West Virginia, where's what I mean. That's what it was like back then. Dad might leave the wife for her. Who the fuck knows? You never know. Anything's possible. West Virginia, where anything's possible. It's true. West Virginia, the land of possibilities. I always say that Florida is if you can't afford California.

You're like, well, fuck it. I guess I'll go there. I like beaches. I like sunshine and beaches. But my wallet doesn't like money. But I don't like money. That's my main problem. I like beaches i like sunshine and beaches but my my wallet doesn't like money but i don't like money that's my main problem beaches and meth now then florida's the place for you a few alligators are also in there oh yes yeah uh this is the find out the 12 year old girl is a francis k voyles uh which sounds like a 12 year old girl from the 60s yeah uh she uh yeah she's her her

obviously her family is destroyed by this, as you might imagine. Sure. Obviously here. She never returned baby from babysitting the two young children of the angel family. We'll talk about here now what ends up happening here. We'll get to the angel family in a second after the body was found after francis was found i shouldn't say the body that's pretty it's this is like what the how the court documents it's very cold yeah when you read it all week it's like that but it's a she's a 12 year old girl baby she's a 12 year old girl body that's what i mean but it helps to depersonalize when you're reading about it over and over but francis here after they found francis the police called the mayor mayor wayne alexander mayor wayne w alexander of nitro ww ww who i

assume lives in that big house from the real estate report and has like he's a monocle wearing like he's spinning a cane you know that sort of thing has a cigarette in a holder that's hey what's going on here it walks with a limp What are you fellas doing out of the mines? Oh, there's a dead girl. Okay. Nevermind. I'm sorry. We apologize.

I'm WW. You hear about them talkies? Clark Gable told me about it down at explosive plant seat. That's quadruple W. That's what that is. That's yeah. He's a lot of it. Wayne W. Alexander.

Jesus. Yes. And Clarence, a Palmer who was the captain of the police force, they come to the scene. The captain and the... The captain and the mayor come. That's how you know you're in a small town when the fucking captain and the mayor show up. What's happening now?

Hold on a minute. Let me get the mayor. Imagine... What is this, fucking Gotham? Whatever town you... Right. No shit. It's like a fucking comic book whatever town you live in do

you ever hear the mayor went to the crime scene he's not the guy that gets called in for it if it's bad they'll tell the mayor about it he'll be like we'll fucking find who did that shit but he's not going to go down and investigate he might go down afterwards talk to the family if it's a good pr move but he's not going to go down with the chief of police to fucking investigate, which is what happens here, which is wild. The mayor is the one who called the county coroner and the state police in, and two state troopers show up here. They were patrolling in the area, and they come to the funeral home where Francis had

been taken before it ended up going to the hospital for examination. Francis had been taken before it ended up going to the hospital for examination. One trooper here, a trooper R.L. Hurt, which sounds like some sort of prank call name. Yeah. Fucking pen name of an author. Yeah. R.L. Hurt. Right.

So, yeah, it's somebody's fucking they write porn under that. Yeah, that's what they write. Fucking daytime lady porn. So this author, R.L. Pornman Hurt, was called to the case about 7 a.m. from his house. Later here, the mayor receives a call, another anonymous call. So there's an anonymous call about the body being found. Here's another anonymous call, and no caller ID. This is 1966. So easy to commit crimes in 1966.

You could do anything. There's no DNA. There's no tracing anything to anything. I mean, we still don't know for sure who shot JFK. That's bananas. And that happened in front of a lot of people. Yeah, on TV. Film and everything else.

Was it on TV? Yeah, it was on TV. Well, yeah, yeah, they were showing him. Yeah, yeah, it was on TV. Point is, there's no reason that we shouldn't know who fucking did it. Unless you're standing over someone with a knife in your hand bloody and they're yelling, going, please stop stabbing me and killing me. And then they die.

You got off on it. I feel like especially if unless you were black, obviously, that's different. No, forget it. And then then we do. You're black. Well, you clearly did it. You did whistle at that white girl. So, I mean, there's you know, there's consequences, mister. That was crazy shit.

But anybody else like I don't know, nobody actually saw him murdering the person. That's kind of innocent until proven guilty. So, yeah. So this guy comes in. He gets a call, the mayor from an unknown source that says that there's bloodstains visible on the sidewalk and the front of one of the homes in nitro again the mayor gets a phone call that says somebody saw bloodstains on the sidewalk in front of a particular house this is this is called 9-1-1 you call the mayor you call hey wayne yeah wayne hey w i've been i was walking down the street and no the street that we have yeah that one and uh there was a bloodstain. Big one.

Outside of a house here. So y'all might want to come take a look at it. Probably four or five pints. It was big. It was a lot. Well, who lives at the house in front of the damn bloodstain? That's the main question. It's a man named Lennis.

Okay. Dennis with an L. Really? That's the fucking man's name. Jesus. That is his given birth name, Lennis. Lennis Lee Angel. And he goes by lenny you know he goes by butch actually that's the dad of the uh of the kids that she was watching exactly

gotcha out of the kids there this is uh lenis butch angel here he's 21 years old none of those words match no they do lenis lee butch angel that's a complete grab bag somebody rolled some dice out and when they don't go fuck it never mind one more roll i got another roll shit this is a bad scrabble board fuck it fuck it redo that's the equivalent of a native american that's that's white people trying to native american up their name that's a lettuce lee angel which sounds like a like a 40s bank robber or a girl or a woman yes or a very or like a pinup girl from the 50s or something. But Butch Angel sounds like, I don't even know, that sounds like some sort of gay porn star from the 50s.

Wasn't there? Butch Angel. I think there is a Butch Angel that is. Butch Angel wrecks that butthole like never before. It's a woman with a dick. I think it's butch angel i'm pretty sure that is true well well that is bananas whatever they that is fucking bananas he they stole buck angel that's what it is okay well close enough this is butch angel a different

story this is okay listen to this these stats right? This is how different times were. His name is Butch Angel, first of all. He's married to a woman named Elke, or Elke, L-E-L-K-E. Elke? Elke? I don't fucking know. It's the 60s. Who knows? He's married to a woman named Elke and has two children and works at the Monsanto chemical

plant. Of course he does. 38 years old? Yeah. 21 years old? 21. 21 fucking years old. Yeah. 21 years old. 21. 21 fucking years old. 21.

Wow. Two kids married to a woman with a very handsome, sturdy name and works in a chemical plant and probably already has all sorts of poisoning. Life has already gone wrong. Three different kinds of cancer. And this fucking guy. Yeah. So it's crazy here.

Now, all I could find on old Lennis Lee Butch Angel. This is a tough one, because when we go back to the 60s, arrest records and police records and court records from early 60s and late 50s, West Virginia is there spotty at best. a newspaper article where lenis here lenis lee angel this guy from this town uh hailing from this town got into trouble along with five other high school students in february of 1959 for phoning in false bomb threats what so i don't know he was 14 at the time when this was happening so i guess that makes sense yeah and especially back the time that you do that. Yeah, and especially back then, because you don't want to take the test. You don't want to take the test, and also there's no caller ID,

so it was like, well, call it in. No one will know. Like, how the fuck do they know? They just knew because he was like, hi, this is Lennon. Shit, fuck. Damn it. And he hung up, and they were like,

is anybody in this town named Lennis? One person. That's why, and he started going by Butch. Or he was like, listen, there's a bomb at the fucking corner of this and this and they're like is it who is this lenis is this that fuck damn it uh that's when he went by butch from then on i suppose y'all haul me in now yeah i'm gonna go by butch now there's like five butches in this town so they won't know which

butch it is it's fine back then probably half the guys were named Butch. Last name of Angel. Yeah. So on the night of February 18th, which is the night before the evening connected with the morning that Francis was found, Lennis here, Butch, quits work or gets off work at the Monsanto plant in Nitro at 1040 p.m. and goes to his home. So he's working second shift at the monsanto plant with two kids and a wife at 20 fucking one it's a tough imagine that shit it's a tough living in west virginia good god that's a tough that's fucking rugged man like kids just i mean they do that by accident sometimes but they're not like well this is my life i got married on purpose and got two kids and i work at the chemical plant now i'm doing it wow uh so i mean

that's not bad he's trying anyways making a go of it here uh he goes home and the babysitter is there with his two children his wife is not home but the babysitter who is francis right uh is there and his wife's not there so uh butch cleans himself up gets changed uh we're gonna get the chemical smell off of you and goes out with another guy and may go out. We'll talk about him here. Jackie Lee Halstead, who's a 20 year old guy here, goes out with this guy and has a ball. They go out on the town. They visit various different taverns.

They drink beer. They drink whiskey. They dance a little bit at one tavern, even get down a little. I don't know what the fuck they were dancing to. People. Who knows? Stop it. Oh, it's West Virginiaia too this is a hill hill folk dancing lots of hip shaking and finger pointing some shit like that's all it is and snorting off the back of toilets that's all i got out of the wild wonderful whites of west virginia is all the they go into

this bar and it's the most disgusting bar in the world if you've never seen this documentary please watch it because it's fantastic uh they go into this bar and it's the scuzziest dirtiest bar in the world example there's a man because there's gambling there you're allowed to gamble like they have slot machines in the bar there's a man gambling shirtless he has no shirt on and he's pulling the slot machine and i'm like no you can't fucking gamble with shirtless i'm sorry that's that's a shitty place but they call it a huge beard right no not even he was just like we had this trucker hat on he was just this shit kicking happy motherfucker he looked thrilled to be there shirtless he looked happy as fuck good for him but the cleanest the only clean place in this entire

place was the top of the back of the toilet bowl because that's what they were snorting fucking pills and breaking it up so that when they're in the stalls everything's covered in disgusting fucking pristine white perfect tops of the backs of the toilet bowl so if you ever see a dirty place with a purse that's what they're doing that's why that's where they do people are snorting all the pills they were crushing up oh really and snorting yeah they were all about pills or what is it he shook the fucking bottle the one Oh, the pills. They were crushing up pills. Oh, really? And snorting. Yeah, they were all about pills there. Xanax or what is it? He shook the fucking bottle, the one kid, and the pills rattled. And he said, that's the Boone County mating call right there.

And I was like, oh, boy, this is fucking great. You've never seen that? I've seen it, but I don't remember it. Now see, go get some dick tonight. Yeah, I've seen that. That's right. Yeah, it's the best. I only watched it because you told me to.

Yeah, I'm Sue Bob. I'm the hot one. I'm the sexiest of the watt family like oh yeah you're a you're a fucking price is all johnny knoxville's idea right i don't know yeah yeah he was the producer of it he was by the way uh quick quick uh sidetrack here i have to say this quickly my grandmother's party was this weekend so my grandmother turned 90 years old italian grandma all you people know uh if you don't care about this fast forward two minutes because it's insane and i have to share this with you folks uh my grandmother's my first introduction to dark comedy she used to tell us

stories of being beaten mercilessly as a child and for some reason they were hilarious the way she told them shouldn't be funny but they were funny the way so that was my first thing like oh horrible things can be funny anyway uh she told me a story this weekend she looked at my dog benny and was like oh nice dog so i used to have a big dog like that when i was little girl yeah then she said we also have little dog and then she got sad and i said what happened to the little dog grandma she said anyway long story short they make up a bunch of sausage in the morning to feed people who are going to go out on the farm okay so her brother had made up a bunch of sausage then he went to go get wine because they drink

in the morning there because they're insane uh and come back and the dog had eaten all the sausage a small dog a little dog had eaten like four pounds of sausage out of this thing so her brother who's a fucking psychopath as they all are over there took the dog and started chasing this fucking dog so the dog ran it was a four-story like a tall skinny building four-story ran up on the terrace this guy chases this corner dog finds it up on the terrace picks it up and launches it off the fourth story of the terrace okay this is her fucking story to me wasted four four pounds of sausage yeah threw this fucking thing off he was so mad She said, mother dog hit, ran away, and it went into this barn at the edge of the town. And it stayed there for a week.

She said, I think because it was sick from all the sausage. I was like, also from hitting the fucking pavement from four stories up will possibly cause injuries that make you want to rest for a week, grandma. Did it die? No. A week later, it came back. And this was her story. This is the point of the story.

This is my point of this. She's insane. The point was when the dog came back, her brother felt bad and hugged it and then was nice to it. The point of the story wasn't he's a psychopath and wasn't allowed around the pets anymore. Right. The moral was... He made up.

My felt so bad that's how it was a nice dog they made friends what the fuck kind of story is that when you're a kid and you box your best friend eventually you just become best friend i'm sitting there with my cousin we're looking at each other like is this what are we what this is that dog not to fuck with that man she thought that was such a nice story okay uh so anyway uh yeah this guy uh uh he's going out butchie's going out on the town uh he he goes out on the town like we said he's drinking he's dancing but he doesn't get this everybody who sees him says he's not really drunk he's not like fall down drunk or anything uh so he goes out like we said jackie lee halstead these guys all sound

they're both first of all lee is their middle name, both of them, which was, I think, common back then. Ladies and men. Absolutely. Yeah, same thing. They meet at about 11 p.m. at Ned's Bar. They drink, they dance. This guy says they stay until midnight. Then they went to Shoney's in St. Albans there, get some food in them until about 1245.

They talked a while in the car and they decided to go home because it was getting late and they didn't have any money anyways. They were like, well now what the fuck are we going to do? They were out of money. They talked for a while and they were like, fuck it, home's free. They just went there. This guy said that Butch, Halstead says that Butch left

him at about 105 AM. They were riding and Butch dropped halstead off at his home and that was that uh butch ends up getting home at about two o'clock in the morning uh at which time he plans he's got a hunting trip planned the next day apparently uh he gets home at 2 a.m from a night of drinking and dancing and have cutting up after you bet tough day at the monsanto plant and he see and uh he he's he says he's i guess he laid out his hunting knife and his gun in preparation for the next day you know like saying like laying out your pants and your shoes he said my hunting knife and

my gun just as he saw that just as he was doing that this is is 2 a.m. Mind you. Why the fuck? This makes no sense. Okay. At this point, the babysitter still with the children. Why the children are still awake? I have no fucking idea. It's two o'clock in the morning. And this girl is 12. She's up.

Right. She work in the late shift here. Tell everybody to go the fuck to bed. She probably has a shift in defense. She probably has a shift at Monsanto that starts at five. She is 12. Jimmy, get to work. Jesus Christ. This is 12, Jimmy. Get to work. Jesus Christ.

This is the 60s. So at this point, he sees the babysitter with his daughter, and I guess his daughter tries to grab a magazine away from the babysitter, this 12-year-old girl, which makes this girl, which makes Francis mad,

and apparently he sees Francis, from what he says slap the baby slap his daughter okay this is a 12 year old girl who slapped a small child or whatever so first of all that's not great if it happened obviously that's not good but in the 60s that was also you hit kids when they did shit that was it if a kid tried to grab something you smacked them that was all there was to it you're lucky if it's just a smack that's what i mean that's what it was i mean that's the end of it she didn't have a wooden spoon you ever see mad men when they're having a party and the kids are running around and his neighbor comes and just fucking hauls off and smacks his friend him in the face and fucking draper walks over to him and he's like this little what did this little bastard do

to make you smack him like he was pissed at his son he's like you'd be respectful to him while he hits you that's how it happens you'd be respectful to him while he hits you. So it happens. You'd be respectful to abusive people who don't live here. You'd be respectful of people that are just beating you for no reason. Yeah, just no reason at all. So anyway, he sees this. And what would you do in this situation?

First of all, I wouldn't leave my kids with a 12 year old. But anyway, 60s will pass that. What do you do? Maybe you go over, you give-old. But anyway. It's the 60s. We'll pass that. What do you do? Maybe you go over, you give her a smack, I guess. It's the 60s. You can. Not that this is something that we advocate for. You can paintbrush the shit out of her.

But back then, that would be considered okay. Right. And her parents would be like, good, you should have hit her more than once. I mean, I'm sure. Give her a good beating. Hope you got her with the back of the knuckle. She needs to be a good wife someday, so really give it to her good. None of this is how we think, by the way.

Don't fucking tweet us. It's ridiculous. Eat dicks. This is how shit was. So instead, what he does is he has a different approach to it. Like we said, maybe he goes over, maybe he says, hey, that's not the way you treat a child. Maybe he says, hey, you're fired.

Go home. You don't hit my kid. It's 2 a.m. I better bring you home. What was that? Call your parents. Yeah. What was that weak shit? This is how you do it. Use the't hit my kid. It's 2 a.m. I better bring you home. What was that? Call your parents. Yeah, what was that weak shit? This is how you do it.

Use the back of the hand. Get your knuckles into it. Step up your wrist, pussy. Yeah, maybe that's it. You know what he said? He said, use your forearm. It's actually one of the strongest bones in your body, and you can really drop somebody with it.

That elbow's got a nice little sharp spot to it. Forearm, shins, really get in with those. They're very, very strong. Instead, he does a completely different thing and stabs her 46 times, as we know, right there on the spot. Wow. Walks over with a hunting knife in front of his children and stabs a young girl. That happened 46 fucking times in his own home.

Holy shit. Which seems like an overreaction, I would say. Objectively, that's an overreaction yeah i would say objectively that's an overreaction to really to anything i can't there's not a lot of things that you can justify that for 46 if someone was like trying to assault your child when you walked in on it that's okay right i can't think of there's really not i mean even 46 is like they would be like you're sure you could have stopped at five right i don't think he was there's really not. I mean, it would have to be. Even 46 is like, they would be like, you could have stopped at five. Right.

I don't think he was still trying to do it after five. It would have to be a sexual assault, too. That's what I mean. It would have to be something horrible. Like just a pummeling of your child. No, no, no. You could slice them up a bit and they'll back up. That's what I mean.

It would have to be. It would have to be something that's going to scar them forever or their life's in danger. Even then the jury would be like, I get it, but 46? That's a lot. Wow, that's a lot. Holy shit. You didn't even start thinking at like 22? Like you get exhausted. It's tiring. You ever go in a batting cage? life's in danger even then the jury would be like i get it but 46 wow that's a lot holy shit you didn't even start thinking at like 22 like you get exhausted that's it's tiring you ever go in

a batting cage you take 20 swings and you're done if you're not used to that in a fight throwing 20 punches yeah you are you're wore out it's war yeah box box for a round which is three minutes and bounce around and throw punches for a round. You're like, that seems like a whole fight. Yeah. People do that for 12 rounds, which is fucking nuts. But he stabs her 46 times in a very short space of time. Right now. Right now. He then puts Francis in the trunk of his car and takes her to the high school and dumps the body out.

Just dumps her body out on the high school grounds. So the blood on the sidewalk likely, uh so the blood on the sidewalk likely like dropped on the sidewalk put her down open the trunk trunk put her back in she's still leaking a 46 stab wound child will tend to bleed for a while i think wow uh so he he returns home and in the middle of the night he spends a shitload of time cleaning blood off of everything because the entire fucking house is covered in blood i can't imagine you cast off would be insane insane the rage of the knife going up and down the cast off arteries and veins going to deep stab wounds to the heart right i mean that not to mention then he's dragging her putting her he's touching things because he's got to leave and he's got to figure this out it's a fucking mess man i mean this is i don't even know what the fuck to

say about that uh what he couldn't do uh is he there are certain things he couldn't clean that were just too they're too fucked up so he needed to get rid of them so he takes these items along with his kids we'll put them in the you know that's a good thing for him home alone it's a bonding experience too because kids they don't get to dispose of murder weapons very often. Very few. And it's a life skill that they really should have, I think, later on. Anything's possible.

Good dad. Let's say he's a good dad, is what we're trying to get at here. Inclusive. You know what it is? That's what it is. Yeah, because these are his daughters. He's teaching them female empowerment. He's like, listen, someday you might have to dispose of a murder weapon, and you're going to have to do it for yourself.

Don't rely on a man to dispose of your murder weapon. You kill someone, you take it to the river, and you fucking throw it in there on your own. I'll show you how to tie a rock to it. Let's go. Climb in. Go on, climb in. Let's go, sweetheart. Fuck a seatbelt.

Lay in the back glass. Just lay it down there. That's all right. I'm going to smoke a half a pack of cigarettes on the way but it's chilly out so let me roll the windows up first amazing yeah let me let me do that all right yeah no don't almost killed me no don't put that damn seatbelt on what's wrong with you sorry you're right there jimmy sorry for the cough that's all right we'll get over it yeah so. So, yeah, he takes this. He tries to.

Jesus Christ, what a fucking mess. He throws part of the items into the backwater near his house or some fucking swamp shit back behind him. Yeah. So he just tosses some shit back behind his house in the water. No one will ever, ever find it there. You don't look there. No, never.

And other items he leaves in the area of Coal River Road. Then he tries to clean his car trunk, and he had to remove part of the floor mat from the trunk to get the bloody part out. But he didn't notice that the hubcaps also had blood on them. Jesus. Because it's the middle of the night, and he's trying to clean blood. I assume that's a bad time to clean blood. I can't imagine a dead body that you've stabbed yeah is just it's really pouring especially 46 stabs yeah it doesn't matter which side you lay that on it's it's a mess coming out it's coming out and he it's

it's everywhere yeah i don't even know and the other thing too you notice in the middle of the night you ever been like you know fucked up or whatever in the middle of the night and you fall and like hurt your knee and you scrape yourself and you don't even notice. You see it and you're like, I was a little blood. And then the next morning you're like, Jesus Christ, my socks are soaked. How am I still alive? What the fuck happened to me? I have blood in my shoe.

Yeah, it's a pool of it. You don't notice that shit in the middle of the night. But the next morning, that is a harsh light that shines. And you you're gonna see all sorts of blood that you missed i have a feeling here so and he actually did so then he changes his clothes and we know this because his discarded clothes were later found because he's a fucking idiot this guy so after this he's goes this is okay he stabbed his babysitter his kids are young so they're not going to be like, hey, daddy killed the babysitter or whatever. They don't know really what's going on.

They're babies. So the youngest one, I think, is the oldest one, I think, just turned three or something. So they're very young children. No one's seen it. She was at your house. At this point, what are your options if you're him? You could be like, I don't know. She left in the middle of the night and I never saw her.

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Right. Number one, you're just the guy who also works at the plant with me. Like, Butch from the plant's here. Covered in blood. Looks like he's sweating blood. That's the thing. That's going to be an issue uh instead uh he gets there this and butch is in and arnold summers is in bed he's not hanging out like he's fucking sleeping so this guy butch rouses him from his bed uh he i guess uh butch appeared to be in what this guy described as a very agitated condition

and butch tells arnold summers this big long story that he had been in a fight with multiple men all kinds of people all sorts of people and five men chased him and like chased him down in a car and like it was this crazy fucking insane it was like uh just a crazy wild tale of you know a chase through. And then they cornered him and he got out and it was five on one. And it was this horrible fight. And he won. And he said he may have killed one of the men. That's what scared him away is he stabbed one of the men and he thought and he thinks

he's dead. And also he, quote, may have cut a girl who was in the group. These are five. This was like, I don't know, the the the grease, the Thunderbird, the T-Birds here, but like a really like a violent version of them. And they've got it. They're not dancing.

They got a 12 year old. They got a 12. They got some chick with them. Yeah. So they have. I'm still trying to see. I think I cut Rizzo. I'm not sure.

I'm not positive. I got one of the pink. I definitely got a pink. I'm still trying to figure out how we got from not even teenager slaps child to 46 stab wounds. That's what I mean. I'm trying to get there. The biggest over...

And they said, too... Now, this is the thing. They did say that he was not that intoxicated. His friends said so. People at the bar said so. Everybody said he wasn't. People at the Shoney's. That's rage.

But he dropped that guy off at about 1.05 and got home at 2. So we don't know what happened between 1.05 and 2. That's 55 minutes. Did he drink some more liquor? Who knows what happens? But whatever the fuck happened, he, I don't know. That's a rage. I don't know what he even would think about.

Did he go to the gym? Did he shoot up some steroids? That's what I mean. What is the, was he Coke? Was it early Coke? He found the really early version of coke. I don't know. Like, yeah, he was one of the first fucking partying guys in the world here.

So, yeah, he says he may have killed one of the men. And also he thinks he's cut it. He cut a girl who was in the group attacking him. So he asks this Arnold. You're in bed and Butch from the plant shows up and says, look, just killed a guy. Got chased. I think I sliced a girl. Will you please help me clean blood out of my car?

I was sleeping. What? This isn't. Will you cover my shift on Friday? Because I have to go do something. I'll hit you up in a couple of weeks. Wait, hold on. This is a big favor to ask fucking Arnold from the plant.

But you scared them all off. You think you cut a girl. Why is there so much blood in your car? Well, he kills a guy. He knows he killed a guy. Oh, okay. So that's happened. He's pretty sure he killed a guy, but he also may have cut a girl.

There's five of them, Jimmy. He's just swinging wild, as you do when you're being attacked by five men with a knife. How often have you... You don't know who you cut in that situation. It's weekly. It happens all the time. You should see our live shows. That's half of them. We just, us with knives and people coming at us.

Just dancing. It's like a Bruce Lee movie. And we're, you know, we've survived this long, so come at us, motherfuckers. Come on. Don't come at us. Come get me. Because all these places have huge security guards that hang out. And if you actually have a knife, they'll probably kill you.

And I don't want that to happen to any of you. They'll take it from you and stab you with their own knife. Yeah, they probably will. And they'll spike you on your head and it won't be pretty. So we don't want that to happen to any of you. They'll take it from you and stab you with their own knife. Yeah, they probably will and they'll spike you on your head and it won't be pretty so we don't want you to do that so don't do that at all.

It's not our, that's what these clubs have. Yeah, we don't care. We enjoy the challenge. Yeah, stab us up. But other people, they get a little, you know, jump in.

Maybe on the streets. If you run into us in a hotel, take a shot at me. Let's go. Yeah, go ahead. Let's dance. Let's dance,'s dance motherfucker so uh he uh jesus christ this summers guy says that uh uh he said he wouldn't help him clean the car he's

like i'm gonna fucking help it he declined he said it's four o'clock in the morning i'm not helping you clean blood out of your car from a man you just stabbed i'm not doing that shit and the guy said okay well then can i can i take a bath in your house because i'm covered in blood and at this point summers looked at him and said you don't have any blood on you what are you talking about he's got he goes you're he said he was crazy he told him he was crazy he goes you're crazy you don't have any blood on you what are you talking about he's like i got blood all over me like now he's like tripping about blood so he goes if it makes you feel better fucking knock yourself out i guess fucking, I guess take a bath. So he goes in and takes a bath.

He tells Summers, Butch tells Summers that he put the stabbed man in his car trunk and then dumped him in the woods. He says he thinks he died after that. So he stabbed, he just dumped a dying man in the woods is what he's saying. So that's not cruel or anything. This is what he's telling his friend here he's while he's in the tub he's not like what's his name lee is this isn't this guy's lee also this is arnold summers old arnie doesn't go grab the phone and be like listen mayor i need you to

come to my house yeah why isn't he calling the mayor that's yeah this is bananas by the way he's got his kids with him at four o'clock. He shows up with all this shit. So he's going to go take now. Okay. Now let's add another person to this. Arnold Summers is married. His wife is there. Imagine you're this guy.

First of all, imagine you're her, but imagine you're him. You know, you're in trouble. Yeah. Butch from the fucking plants, knocking on the door, asking to fucking clean blood off. He's got his kids with him. It's four in the morning. He wants a bath. You are getting, this is going to be a conversation later.

Like this is not going to be pleasant later. Then he makes it worse for poor Arnold Summers, who was really the most put upon person in this whole fucking thing. He asked Summers wife, who's there, who he shouldn't be asking. But shouldn't be asking her, his wife for shit. Cause his wife, I don't know how, hasn't freaked out. Ask his wife to keep his kids there. Will you babysit for me?

Literally, I know I just woke you up. And I'm covered in blood, which is an odd thing. And I just stabbed a man, dumped him in the woods. Tell you what, hang on to the kitties for a minute. Jesus Christ. Because I'm going to go down to the river to clean the car better to the river to the river i don't know if he's just gonna drive it in shallow and drive it back out again what is he doing river water will kill it all i'll just dunk it in the river you know

he really needed was a good uh pulp fiction he needed yeah he needed the wolf to come in and some clean clean blankets and afghans and quilts. The West Virginia version of Pulp Fiction would have been Jules and Vincent going down to the river and just trying to clean the car off. Backing it in and then going, not too far. Just dip it real quick. Just dip it. If you just drive in and out, it won't break down at all.

It'll be all right. Just bang, bang. Slap it and drive. Let's just do a neutral drop don't fucking jimmy me jules so this is fucking insane right here that we have going on so this woman says i don't fucking think so i'm not washing your kids while you wash the blood off the car from the man you stabbed and dumped in the woods and possibly got a girl. It's four in the morning. You're fucking crazy. You're my husband's work friend.

You invited us to a barbecue. We didn't even go. That's how not close we are. This is insanity. And watch your kids. Don't you dare tell her what happened to the last person that watched your kids. No, that's the other thing. Babysitting for him, that's not the job you want.

It's a bad job. It's a hazardous job. It really is. It's more hazardous than working for Monsanto. I would say so, yeah. Well, yeah, he's fine. So he ends up, Butch ends up returning home at about the time his wife gets home,

which is about 3 o'clock in the morning. So they get home together. I don't know what the hell she was doing, but it doesn't matter. This is 3 a.m. And obviously she asks, gee, what's happening? Where'd the babysitter go? Let's have a lot of it. That's the other one.

It's 3 a.m. The babysitter's gone. That's odd. She's supposed to be here all night. She's supposed to be here all night. What's the fucking story? He said, beats the shit out of me no idea haven't seen her i got home and i told her don't worry about it you can leave if you want and she said sure i'll just walk home or

anything other than i don't know he just shrugged his shoulders and went and and what did she say okay she went she's fine she's all right said, fine. All right. All right. Back to all right here. I don't know where he's at, but yeah, well then, then it gets worse because his wife, then Elkie or elk,

whatever her name is, finds the babysitter shoes at the house still and says, well, if she left, why did she not take her shoes with her? That's odd. Yeah. Which most people wear shoes in November in the middle of the night when you walk you know in west virginia i don't assume it's a beautifully

paved asphalt road and it's 72 degrees outside she's probably walking through some form of yeah of gravelman muck and there's some rock it's all mud all the time i told you it's just mud so uh yeah uh wow uh he ends up saying that, wow. He says later on that when he returned home after work, he found a strange car and there was a blonde boy there with the babysitter. But then he went to the taverns and when he came back, the front door was open and the babysitter was gone. Okay.

So he left his house. First of all, he's leaving his house where a 12-year-old is in charge of his toddlers. Exactly. Where she has a boyfriend over who drives a car. Right. She's a 12-year-old. With a boyfriend that has a vehicle.

Who has a 16, he was at least 16 years old and has his own vehicle and is hanging out at 11 o'clock at night when he gets home. At your house. At your house where your toddlers are and that's okay with you and you don't say the fuck out of here you just went have a good one going out to the bar tonight you walked out you two don't don't jizz on my couch that's

it hey clean it up leave it in or sir that's it let's come on now be respectable i know well you marry her afterwards then but that's that's how it works at me. Two kids and I work at Monsanto. You got a couple more years left, buddy. Fucking 1960. Wow. So instead, yeah, front door's open. Babysitter's gone. Kids are there.

Babysitter's gone, though. But yeah, they took the babysitter, not the kids. So he comes home from being out all night. There's no babysitter. His kids are alone. And he's just like, all right. All right. And he just sits down, waits for his wife. W i don't know she left door open babysitter gone blonde

kid i guess you don't like shoes bad story this is not a good for sure bad story this isn't a well-thought-out crime here he didn't plot this so the next day comes around early the next morning this is very early this is uh after he talks to his wife i guess he doesn't sleep at all he goes to the home of one of his relatives and makes plans for a hunt for the hunting trip for that day so he says he was planning on going on a hunting trip but he hadn't talked to his relative about hunting until after he had already laid out his knife and gun for the hunting really that's that's what he's saying so that's what i mean his stories are off as far as the hunting trip goes the hunting trip just seems like a way to cover the fact that i don't know we had a fucking i don't even know

what he's thinking he knew they were going to go hunting with him yeah so well at this point here he goes back home uh and then he's going to go back out to hunt and by that time there's more questions about the babysitter uh you know over here and uh and all sorts of people are coming by including the mayor is there. So he gets back home and the mayor is at his house, which is a strange thing. It's fucking incredible. It's incredible.

Every time you watch Law & Order, you ever see the mayor show up at a crime scene? It's very rare. What's happening here? Take that sample. Let's go. I'm going to run this crime scene from now on. This is very, very strange.

He might show up and be in the background if it's like a high-profile case. You know, if Jay-Z andce's kid is murdered in central park you know de blasio will show up and stand there i'm sure while they clean it up but that's it he's not gonna he's not gonna be fucking peeling fingerprints off the fucking mayor so the mayor's there uh yeah he is there uh he proceeds to the house and he's met at the door by Butch and Butch's father, who invite the mayor into the house. Now, the mayor immediately observes the bloodstains out on the sidewalk and also on the doorframe of the house and the outside of the house. Also, he enters the house and finds just stains everywhere.

Bloodstains on the wall, the floor, the windowsills, the furniture. There's fucking bloodstains all over the floor the windowsills the furniture there's fucking blood stains all over the goddamn place okay so his story is he came home kids are there no babysitter all that shit's there all that shit's there no questions i don't know what happened walked home all right i don't know she bled a lot and then walked home i don't know maybe she maybe she just got her first period she on her period and you know she didn't know what to do about it maybe she just panicked flung it all over the walls and left. I don't know what kids do.

The hell, I would never have been no little girl. Wiped her vagina on my windowsill. That's what I hear they do. That's what you do all the time. My windowsill is not whatever you want to call it. It's not a sanitary napkin. It's not a sanitary, well, I was going to say something. I was going to say some sort of sanitary object, and I lost

my train of thought. I think napkin sounds grosser. It sounds way grosser. It sounds, because then it sounds like you then wipe your mouth afterwards. Right, you dab the corners. Oh, I'm sorry. It's sanitary. Yeah. So he sees all this shit.

Now, also there is his wife, Elkie, and his mother is there now. His mother shows up for some fucking reason. There's all sorts of people in this house. There's blood everywhere. He hasn't slept. He's killed a young girl. It's a fucking crazy long night here.

Yeah. There's also other people there. There's a bunch of people that cross through this. There's a Veda Christine Lovejoy. She was at the angel home she's a friend of elkie and uh she saw the children that morning and when she was there when butch came home okay uh there was this lovejoy lady his wife two kids and then his mom showed up then the fucking mayor came over with the chief of police and everybody else in tow

and everybody showed up this is ridiculous yeah and this is only eight to ten o'clock in the morning uh uh yeah she says about the lovejoy woman said quote after he came after he had come into the house he asked his wife if they found francis yet he didn't say anymore she just shook her head no uh Then they went back in the living room, and she said that Butch opened the front door and said to Elkie, come here. There's blood all over the place. Get over here. Look at this.

I found it. I found a clue. Call the mayor. I found a clue. It's fucking everywhere. Call the governor. There's blood on my door. Jesus Christ. Who's got Lyndon Johnson's number? There's blood on my door jesus christ who's got lyndon

johnson's number there's blood on the door he's gonna want to know about this is martin luther king alive shit i don't remember either god damn it i was gonna tell him too but i don't even know somebody send james earl ray a letter and let him know about him know all about that shit so uh i want to say it was 67 but but I'm not. Fuck. Anyway. So these two women, Lovejoy and his wife, look over to look at the blood on the porch. And and she said, Lovejoy said, then Butch came in and shut the door. And that's when Lovejoy saw blood on the living room floor. And that's when he said, here's some more blood.

He literally was like, there's more. Oh, my goodness. Wow. This is crazy. This is insane. Absolutely. So then a patrolman, Wayne Rumbaugh, arrives, Nitro City Patrolman or town, whatever the fuck it is. And he talked to Lovejoy. And she says that at this point, the mayor's all there.

Everybody's there. And the patrolman said to the mayor, quote, Jesus Christ, this is an amazing. This is the most small town murder quote ever. This is a patrolman talking to the mayor at a crime scene. This is small town murder on a napkin. Quote, Wayne, there's something had to happen there last night. There's blood all over the cotton picking place. Direct quote.

He said that to the mayor. Wayne, there's blood all over the cotton picking place. Direct quote. He said that to the man. There's something had to happen. Wayne, there's something had to happen here. Last night, there's blood all over the cotton picking place. That's what he said. And Wayne is the mayor. Yeah. So this is this.

I've got a big clue. We've discovered the smallest townest murder of all fucking time here. This is absolutely crazy. And there's no way to do that in any other accent no because no one else says cotton picking no that's there's one accent that the word cotton picking comes out of that's it and even if you're not from the south if someone says anything and the answer is cotton picking as if you were picking cotton it would come out cotton picking because you can't help it it's the only way it comes out you know you can't filet

mignon has to be said with a you know it's the same thing cotton picking filet mignon same thing same thing exactly so anyway this guy here uh the officer rumbaugh is then shot there's more blood on the porch so they show him the blood on the porch and the living room that shit is everywhere it's all over the place also bloody handprints on the bottom part of the windowsill in the dining room. He did not do a good job. This is what I mean. All pointed out by, guess who? Butch.

I found more here. Here's more blood. There's blood all over the place. And I came in. There's blonde boy and five guys and a stab one of them. And he didn't tell the cops that. But he's got stories for fucking days. None of them make any sense or add up to shit.

He didn't tell the cops that, but he's got stories for fucking days. None of them make any sense or add up to shit. So it's at that point where Butchie's mom, Butchie's mother shows up and also his sister. Let's the whole fucking family, the mayor, this one, the town fucking blabbermouth, lovejoy. So they're parading all these people through a crime scene. There is nine people parading through a crime scene. They have not gotten everyone out of the house they're just walking around pointing shit out the mayor's going come here and look at this and they're just plop plop plop let's get your footprints all over the

shit somebody open the front door i'll open the back door we'll get that horse parade running through this shit if we get some shit in here it's gonna kill that blood smell i saw all i smell is blood and chemicals right now so let's get some shit parading through here we can't even luminol the place because the whole fucking town will glow i don't think they had luminol back then that's the other thing i don't even know what the hell they're this is we're in a scientific black period right now it's just dead as far as that shit goes but yeah they're letting everyone come through literally the mayor and the town gossip and his mom and his sister and his kids.

You know, just wiping their feet in there. People bringing their dogs over. It's fuck licking the blood up off the wall. Shit's insane. This is absurd. His wife had a Tupperware party while this was happening. It was where her book club met.

There was a lot of people coming in and out. Quick pleasure party. That's it, yeah. His bowling team came over to celebrate their win last week it's a it's a very those sales and candle sales you know that goes they go through the roof yourself a vacuum today with your tupperware jesus christ man so uh i got the kirby man coming by later the kirby man oh boy i got the encyclopedia guy coming in 230 he's got an appointment. And then the knife salesman's coming.

So we'll see what happens. Jesus. Holy shit. So his mom shows up with his sister. And then also Francis's brother came over at this point. He pops in the room. What is this? The middle of what is that?

Does he live in a gazebo in the center of town truly the fuck is happening here so the brother shows up and says quote they have positively identified the body and it was francis so at that point uh uh they're you know comforting the the butch is then comforting his mother because his mother's very upset by this she's a this is butch's mother is just very upset by a 12 year old girl being found dead and which is understandable it's a small town they don't expect this type of shit right so he is uh comforting his uh mother and then his wife is comforting the sister and everybody's uh everybody's crying basically it's a very very sad scene now also there is mrs mona eggleston Let's talk about her here. She said she she was living across the street from the angels at the time.

She said that Elk asked her about Elky, whatever the fuck. And at nine or 10 a.m. that morning of the 19th, if she would watch the two angels, watch the children in the in the home briefly. And she did. She said, you keep an eye on my kids for a minute. You know, everyone in town is here here like the mayor's here and shit uh she said when she went to see the kids mrs eggleston said she noticed blood on the front steps and the porch all over the living room also the slip covers were gone from the couch and the chair that were normally always there and also the rugs were gone from the floor so bare floor bare furniture fucking blood everywhere right pretty obvious of

what's happening here uh also uh the the trooper there named charles l hughes said that he noticed that butch uh had a uh he said quote i noticed mr angel had a scratch on the back of his right hand and it looked like a pretty fresh cut so So he said he's got a pretty good-sized gash on the back of his hand, which is also signs of a struggle. This is all not looking great for this fucking guy at this point. This is a slam dunk. This looks like a slam dunk. So the mayor, okay, they're still at his house.

This is crazy. They're still at the crime scene. And the mayor is the one talking to Butch, which no, no, that's not what he's a professional of. There should be police professionals that are taking him away from the crime scene to discuss things with him. That's how this should be going on. Or he should be asking for a lawyer or however the fuck.

Leave an investigator in a folding chair. That's where he should be. That's exactly right. Hopefully handc or however the fuck. Leave an investigator in a folding chair. That's where he should be. That's exactly right. Hopefully handcuffed to the desk. Right. Whereas instead, the mayor's at his house going, let me ask you something, Wayne, or Butch, or whatever the fuck, Lennis. Right.

Mr. Lennis. I figure he calls him by, you know, Lennis. It's Lenny. He goes by Lenny for sure. Let me ask you something, Lennis. I don't know. Maybe not. Maybe he's too proud. You didn't hear Lenny at all in any of the investigation all it was was was always lenny's butch butch

was everyone called him butch he never went by butch was his name so easy uh yeah it was either lenny's if they were or if anyone was talking casually they'd say butch did that or butch did this that was all the quotes of the whole thing here so the the mayor talks with butch and butch's father yeah this is the other thing like let's have him involved in this too and they mention the identity of the uh both butch and his father talk about the identity francis's the body is francis which the mayor already knew uh the mayor said that at the time he didn't suspect butch. So the mayor says at the time to him, Butch was not a suspect, even though he's in his home, which was the last place this girl was seen. And his whole house is covered in blood.

That's at least suspect. Even if you're not sure, the word suspect really applies to that hard. Like you can grab it and fucking latch on to it. Pretty obvious. That's where the murder happened. I would say so here. So he said he also said the mayor that he was merely investigating the matter because the telephone call came to him in connection with the bloodstain. Although he himself doesn't have police authority because he's not a fucking cop.

The fucking mayor. I don't care how small small the town is. That doesn't mean that you now know how to do police work but he got the tip he got the tip so rather than calling the cops and going hey got a tip okay i'm gonna do mayor shit now click this fucking asshole let me get back to crunching this budget why don't you guys figure that out this guy goes i'll get this one i got this this. No, no, no. You guys sit back. You guys are probably tired. Most of the question and most of the shit that goes on here is the mayor. Why the fuck?

Because he's the mayor. So he's in charge in the room. So he can't take a back seat. No. This is what I mean. He can't just be like, I'll let my cops handle this and I'll stand in the back and just observe and look solemn and look like I'm in charge of shit. Or get the fuck out of here.

That's what he should be doing. He instead has to go fucking. I'm in charge. What's your son? What about these bloodstains? Trample, trample, trample. What's this? Picking it up and moving around, holding it.

What's this knife with blood on it? Somebody else called this. Will you put your fingerprints on this quick? Is this blood? Is that blood? Jesus fucking Christ. That chemicals. So this is this blood is that blood jesus fucking christ is that chemicals so this is a goddamn disaster uh the mayor uh discussed the whole thing with butch and uh told

him and i guess uh butch told him that he left home at 11 p.m the night before and at that time there was a boy there named butch reedy see i told you everybody's named butch that's why he changed it to Butch. He's like, there's only one Linus. I got to fit in. If I say I'm Butch, it's like 12 people. It could be anybody. They're all assholes.

He said there was a boy named Butch Reedy, so he just makes up and throws this poor Butch Reedy made-up person under the bus here with Francis, and that he felt that the Reedy boy was the guilty party party and he wanted to police. He wanted to help the police solve this matter as quickly as possible. Let's round up butchery. He couldn't even make up a different name. No, he gave his made up person his own fucking name.

How stupid are you? You couldn't come up with Frank. You couldn't pull Bob out of your ass. Two names you can't use. Lennis and Bush. Those are the only two things you can't pull bob out of your ass two names you can't use lenis and butch those are the only two things you can't call this person let's keep lee off the shelf i think it's awesome that there's also a butch in pulp fiction yeah there's also a butch there too that's right who is the guy you picture from butch flat top haircut that's what you picture jesus white t-shirt good god A boy named

Don't you fucking hate this guy already? Yeah. I hate what he did, number one. And even if he didn't kill this girl, I still want to punch him in the mouth. He's a fucking asshole. He's terrible at this. So he is. So he's, I feel I feel Butch Reedy's the guilty party. Now he says that at the

time, even when he saw Butch there, obviously he said Elkie wasn't home, his wife and she apparently didn't come home until about 3 a.m. And when she came home, the two kids were at home with Butch, not Butch Reedy, Butch Angel, our suspect here, when the mother returned. And that was that. Now, in the house, the mayor observed that the floor had recently been cleaned. There was no dust bunnies or any shit like that. that the floor had recently been cleaned. There was no dust bunnies or any shit like that.

Another person there says later that it was obvious some changes had been made in the house because there was no rugs nor curtains on the fucking windows. And also they observed a greenish powder residue on the linoleum at some places, similar to that left by Comet Cleanser, a can of which was found in the house as well so this is just over like they poorly cleaned up blood poorly and then when he couldn't clean it all up he's like there's the blood i found it like this is fucking ridiculous

so his theory is now is butch reedy came over apparently fucked his babysitter right uh way underage insane thing there. Stabbed her up crazy. Stabbed her up crazy. Cleaned up half-ass with Comet. I was going to say, half-heartedly cleaned the fucking place, which is really, I'm sure, his biggest offense to Butch here. He's like, hey, if you're going to kill a girl in my house, clean the fucking blood up.

Be respectful of my place, sir. Come on, Jesus Christ. I've rent this. Goddamn kids nowadays. I'm not getting my security deposit back. They're growing their hair long and murdering girls and not cleaning it up or nothing. They're leaving fingerprints and blood on the windowsill. The mayor's asking me questions.

He's willing to give a bad name to fellas named Butch. Fucking bastard. So, yeah, so she's not home. The whole deal here, the mayor observes all this shit, comic cleanser, but he's not a suspect, mind you. Not at all. No. So the mayor tells Butch that the police want to examine the house further.

And the evidence introduced later on is that Butch readily agrees to this, to the search of everything, examine the house. And because he's saying, I want to help you find the killer. Butch Reed, he's a bad seed. We got to get him now. And he either gave or had the key to the house given to the mayor so again don't take the fuck stop it mayor here you go mayor go look through my house okay come on guys wait first call my wife we're supposed to have a dinner party tonight we're gonna have it here instead while i look around this house what the fuck is going on we

need to contaminate this a little further so yeah uh he does this uh the only deal here is there's a conflict in regard uh later on about the uh whether the defendant's father later on when he's a defendant whether his father gives the key to the mayor without the consent of him or not that's what he's saying well my dad gave it to him without telling me. But meanwhile, he was saying, go ahead, search the house. I just want to help you find Butch Reedy. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So also the police say that he

was that Butch was present at the time the father gave him the key and that he made no objection to it at all. He was saying, yes, go ahead. So now the mayor says that he was acting on an offer of cooperation through this whole thing from him wanting to help the police that butch wanted to help the police and suggested that uh to butch the mayor says look why don't your family go to your father's home

while the police you know search through your house and figure out what's going on and and yeah and the mayor and the mayor of course and uh he butch said okay so he went to his father's house with his family uh the mayor also told uh told butch that he would have to go to the police uh with the police down to city hall where he could make a statement quote if he so desired if you'd like to make a statement about the you know missing girl who was last seen by you in your home it's now covered in blood. Maybe come on down. We could use it.

No hurry. When we find the guy, we're going to need your testimony. That's the thing. Well, it is Saturday, so college football's on. It's November. So the West Virginians, the Mountaineers are pretty good this year. I'm not going to lie. I understand if you need to be at a tailgate party this morning.

I get it is what I'm saying. But if you so desire, you want to come on down there and make a quick statement, that's fine. So the mayor calls the police and Butch takes his family to his parents' home and the mayor locks the door to the house

and leaves with the key. Again, where are the police in this fucking town? Is the mayor the only guy? What is happening? Stop trying to be in charge, you asshole. What is going on? Fuck me.

Jesus, Chris, what you get when you get a guy with the same initial for his first-minute name? An asshole. Did he go afterwards, after locking it up, go pick up the body and then take it to do an autopsy? He just took it to his house to check it out. I got her in my garage. I'm going to do an autopsy tomorrow.

I'm just going to poke around on it. I got my toolbox out and I'm going to see what happens. West Virginia plays in like four hours. So after the game, I'll have a gander in there and count the wounds. I got nothing to do. What the fuck? What else I got happening? I don't know.

So my wife's making a pot of burgoo. She got that Monsanto chemical burgoo cooking and it's going to be delicious. I'm really interested to see how much a heart weighs. Yeah, it's going to be fun. We're going to check it out. We're going to find out today. It's exciting. It's exciting it's exciting so a little after that two nitro city police officers uh arrive at

butch's home uh uh i'm sorry arrive at butch's father's home and they talk to butch uh and then butch takes the officers back to his home where he again points out all the bloodstains to these people for some reason no one is fucking is there a crime scene unit that just what they all need Bush to show them? Where are those? But let's go get the guy who lives here and he'll show us the bloodstains. Just go there and look for them. You're fucking cops. Jesus Christ.

Fuck. God damn it. This is irritating. Were they like apologizing? I am so sorry. This place is such a mess. We will try our best to get that blood off for you the man who did this is a terrible person we are so sorry butch that butch reedy he's going down

thank you for identifying the killer because that's going to be very very helpful right there you are a real hero that would be like if oj was like it's probably colombian drug dealers that are mad at faye resnick and they were like exactly and they started just investigating all the Colombian drug dealers where it must be them and they left OJ at his dad's house like that's what this is the equivalent of next year you are the grand marshal of the horse only parade

horses only and Bush and he's just in the back waving Jesus Christ man so he takes them shows them the bloodst stains around the house then on another visit they just keep going back and forth uh the cops uh this time uh take a look at his car which was parked nearby and they noticed just by looking in the window what appeared to be blood stains all over the fucking back seat of the car so he let them in everything's fine but leaves his bloody

car out next to the house like they're not going to look at that at all a quick once over didn't you hear the wolf didn't even yeah didn't even put the car could have put a blanket down that's just a blanket sheets this looks like a domesticated house anyway so where's your living closet don't fucking jimmy me jules christ so they find uh stains uh we said, on the back seat. Of course they know it's good fucking coffee. Of course they know it's good fucking coffee. I bought the fucking coffee.

Oh, if I shit. Fucking Jimmy Me Jules. Fucking Jimmy Me Jules. So, yeah, so there's blood on the back seat. So the officer Rumbaugh says that he told, at this point, he tells Butch, hey, I'd like to take a look at your car and on the trunk also. Mind if we take a peek on in there? There seems to be blood everywhere. This is this town.

I wonder if it's just is there just blood everywhere? This is the town that just bleeds for no reason. Monsanto is there. Blood leaks from your wall. That's that Monsanto blood wall leak. And that's that that happens. Ain't no thing. and they just go away so anyway uh he's a the guy says uh uh butch gives them permission to look in the trunk and gave the police the keys to the car so there you go knock

yourselves out so they go in they find blood stains on the latch he's brilliant this question brilliant uh the latch the interior as well as on a set of hubcaps which are on the floor in the trunk and then one also saw a portion of the floor mat was missing cut out uh you know which is a bad sign uh they didn't remove anything at that time uh the police officers then asked uh butch if he would come to the nitro police headquarters uh but he also they also said but you don't have to go okay now why is he not arrested right now when you want to question a guy but you don't have to go. Okay. Why is he not arrested right now? When you want to question a guy, but you can't arrest them yet, you act like you can arrest them. That's how they do it.

They're like, we need you to come down to the station right now. They don't tell you if you'd like to and you're not too busy, could you come down? They're already making the power play of going, we need you to come down right now. You don't have to go unless they can arrest you and take you or you don't have to go but they don't go we'd like you to come down to the station and talk but you don't have to if you don't want to you got time if you have time maybe but get it saturday like we said if you don't feel like it like it's cool like probably got so much shit for you to do the worst police officers ever here uh he said that he wanted to go okay and that the uh officers said at that time they uh told him of his rights because he's going to be questioned.

So they have to give him his Miranda rights there. A city councilwoman. Jesus Christ. A city councilwoman was then requested by the police to bring his car to City Hall, which he did. The councilwoman. Our councilman. I'm sorry. Councilwoman.

Okay. So now not only is the mayor involved now they got rather than a police officer someone from a fucking crime scene unit which is like chain of evidence and normally you take the goddamn car in a fucking flatbed and you take it down there so you don't lose anything yeah he says you know what i bet the city councilman would enjoy a ride in this vehicle wear some shitty clothes it's gonna be fun it's all bloody so don't worry about you're gonna get stains on your clothes wow gets him to drive the fucking car down to the that's batshit okay uh also the city councilman his name was die then he looked into the trunk too yeah to take a peek because you want as many people contaminating this fucking crime scene as possible he's curious yeah so he would mind if i take a gander and he just did i heard there was blood in your trunk and if i take a look to to to guarantee that can i verify is that all right

with you unbelievable man i'd really like to see what a blood-stained trunk looks like i'm curious i'm a councilman i'll get to get out here very often oh i should just go to crime scenes and investigate myself like okay very little very little power and and and duty in the council yeah yeah so i think i'm thinking running for mayor next year i think i can do that to be lead investigator check some stuff out you know carry keys and things so then there's also a trooper here a trooper hughes says he's investigating the home, the angel home that afternoon of the 19th of November. He found that blood had pooled in the bottom of the angels home floor furnace, then dripped through onto the ground. So it had dripped through the floor because it was blood pooled up around a furnace that they didn't see because it was like, you know, that much blood came through. The sea came through the wall and dripped through the drip through the drip through yeah which is fucking nuts that's a

lot of blood that's a lot of blood uh they also find a bunch of shit uh in the river backwater behind the home oh they drug it behind his yeah very easily they just went back there it was right behind his house he didn't even go like three houses down and they would just toss shit from the backyard they found uh underwear a a sock, a T-shirt, a Charleston Gazette dated November 18th, 1966. Jesus. So just in case you didn't know exactly what day all this shit went in, let me help you out with the fucking... It's like an old joke.

It's ridiculous. It's like an old punchline to a joke. It's ridiculous that he's got his handprints on the wall. Like, this is fucking terrible. So they're all admitted, obviously. sorts of exhibits here uh later on all sorts of shit that have blood stains on them were found in the house or discarded around the house or in the car uh the scientific evidence they had back then which wasn't terrific the scientific you know procedures uh what they end up doing is uh they introduce several items as exhibits later on a

trial that were identified as human blood, the same type. That's all they could do is blood type back then as Francis. So that's what they that's what they find. They also introduced that they found hair in the car that was identical from that taken from Francis's head. But this is identical literally by a guy in a lab coat holding two strands up to the light going. They look the same. That's literally what they did back then. There was no...

Same color. No, they literally went by characteristics. There was a certain number of guys. In the Mindhunter book, they talk about this. It's characteristics. That's all it is. They went by, you know, is it a blonde hair? Is it a, you know, a caucasoid hair?

Is it this hair? Is it that? That's it. Does it appear to be washed by the same product? And they said the hardest ones, any kind of dark haired person is very difficult to figure out because it's it's for some reason it's all very similar. Well, it's hard to tell. Right.

Basically, blondes, there's more distinct coloring and shit on them. Whereas blonde, there's a lot of different shades of blonde, like dark hair. It's fucking dark. So, yeah, they were saying those are those are difficult to find anybody ethnic they said was more difficult back then uh so anyway they were all guilty so they just said fucking guilty we don't know what happened here so uh yeah they they found uh they found the hair like we said uh now when he got to city hall uh butch he was offered the mayor offered him a room to to use so he could talk to the officers. You guys want to, do they have an interrogation room?

They're set up in a way. They live in a hotel room. Would you like a room? Do you feel comfortable? You want to put your feet up. The Waldorf is right here. Let me tell you something. The broiled chicken in the room service that comes out, it's delightful.

It's just delightful. It's light. It's airy. You're going to love it. Wait till morning you get that continental breakfast delicious delicious continental no no it's on the city see it's you don't have to pay for it we just want to make sure you're comfortable so uh at this point he is introduced butch is introduced to a trooper named hurt who advised him of his rights again and asked if he wanted to call an attorney jl this j yeah rl rl rl

yeah so uh now first butch says that he does want to talk to the attorney he wants the services of attorney clarence watts okay but when the trooper picked up the phone and started dialing the phone uh he then stated that he didn't need an attorney so i don't know if he said it just to see if they were serious because he said i want clarence watts and they were like all right i'll call clarence watts up and he was like no no never mind i don't want like almost like like i know clarence watts he's my best friend like okay we'll call him he's like no you know what never mind because it's he he we play this game where he pretends he don't remember me see and it's good he's gonna go i don't know butch i don't know who that is and that's our

thing that we do that means that he's like you know you know how it goes i'll get him back don't worry so i don't know maybe that was the case i know his schedule he's napping right now and if you wake him up oh he gets players on you when you wake him up you don't want to wake him up what is he mad every afternoon he has an egg salad sandwich and then he takes a nap so if you you don't want to mess with him after that egg salad nap that's it's a real real hard one he's sleeping there now uh he said that he doesn't that he doesn't need an attorney uh at this point uh the trooper says that uh he didn't consider butch a suspect at the time yeah i don't consider you a suspect at the time either even though all of the evidence says you're a

suspect however he did discuss this trooper did discuss the case which with butch uh who told him the same story he told the mayor but now he's elaborated on it even more now he's got more details and now he's thought about it for a while uh they also said the knife and the knife holder there the scabbard or whatever it is uh sheath they call it a scabbard for some reason the thing and it's a sheath technical shit technical shit uh they'd been brought to the city building where they were shown to him, and he said that they were his. They said, oh, yeah, that's my knife and stuff like that, the one that they found that was the murder weapon, obviously.

Trooper Hurt also learned that Butch's car had been brought to City Hall. When he looked in the car, he saw bloodstains on the back of the front seat, the gas tank, the trunk, the fucking daisies, all the shit. They're all just like, oh, that's still blood. That's a murder car. You want to take a look at that? That's a murder car. All right, then.

Just checking. So then he checked the car registration, this trooper with the DMV, and he called Justice of the Peace and the whole deal to get a search warrant for the car to officially start harvesting shit from it. He later goes to the office of the justice of the peace and gets the warrant himself because of some delay in getting the warrant. So this guy goes,

I'll go get the fucking warrant myself. I know the justice of the peace. I'll do this. Now, about the same time, another warrant was obtained for Butch, although the warrant was obtained for him to be arrested, although he was not arrested until after Hurt inspected the car

and found the bloodstains and all that shit and the loose hubcaps and all that crap, okay? Then they had the car towed to the police barracks, finally, and had it looked over by technicians rather than the mayor

and a councilman. So, after this is done, this trooper Hurt returns to City Hall. He tells Butch that he's under arrest at that point and then he took him over to the office of the justice of the peace he's again advised of his rights and uh he's taken away to the county jail okay so now butch is in jail okay now there's some

confusion with the problem with the people in vet there was people investigating this at the same time that we're working not in communication what there's no computers there's no cell phones there's no they're not like oh yeah i'm going to get the warrant cool i'm going over here it was just people were just scattered around doing shit so they do have radios and shit hey you going to get a warrant no i'm already here okay never mind so ziploc baggies of evidence in all kinds of people's possessions all kinds and there's people different people trying to get warrants for the same thing. So there's different people trying to get warrants

for the same thing from different judges. So it's like, it's a fucking mess. The Captain Palmer of the Nitro Police had looked in the house and car and then got a search warrant for both of them. At the same time, people from the prosecuting attorney's office attempted to get a search warrant

and were apparently not signed until the officers had already searched the car and had certain articles removed from the car by state police. So there was that technically pre the warrant that they should have had. And it gets very legalese and crazy at this point. They're going to fuck this up. Well, they're trying fucking hard. After the Captain Palmer got a search warrant for the house.

It was entered by officers and items were obtained in connection with the crime. Like we said, curtains were later found on Strawberry Road near Coral River with bloodstains all over them. And the curtains fit the door and the windows of the fucking house perfectly. And everyone goes, oh, yeah, those are their curtains. Yeah. Yeah. So they executed. They get a list of items taken from the house

and a copy of the list was left in the house. They do all the search warrant shit. Some of this paperwork was also lost at some point. Of course. Because it's a disaster. Why the fuck wouldn't it? The fucking mayor probably had it. He took it home for some light reading after dinner.

We have a brandy. November 22nd, 1966, three three days later this is how this has all happened in such a short time uh they have the funeral for francis k voyles uh very sad as you can imagine a horrible thing to bury a 12 year old and uh also they're supposed to be the preliminary hearing for butchie here as he is charged with first degree murder, all aggravated up and everything. Not great. But he remains in jail. The preliminary hearing is delayed because he doesn't have an attorney yet and he's unable to.

So they don't have their shit enough to be able to get him a public defender right now and the amount of time they need in three fucking days. They can't pull a public defender out of their asses. I don't know what the fuck man happens here because all he is is it's just for a fucking for a hearing the mayor should run the mayor should i'll take care of this i got it so uh he remains in jail without bond obviously i don't think they're gonna fucking let him out on this you know what have a good one actually in this case sure why not have a wander so uh they said uh they were doing also all the police analysis of the scientific shit at this point. They had a huge pretrial hearing, long fucking pretrial hearing where Butch's attorney attacked all of the matters pertaining to the warrants and the statements and the fact that the fucking mayor and everybody else was involved, which is all fair. which is all fair. So he also, Butch contends that the evidence does not show that the warrants were issued in accordance with the correct codes, is what it basically is, the legal codes.

And it requires certain facts to be contained in a complaint to show probable cause for obtaining a warrant that the warrants obtained were not such as were permissible under the statute, which contain three types of property can be seized under a search warrant authorized by the statute. And they go off on a stolen or other illegally obtained property, instruments of a crime and the contraband property used in violation of the law. So he's trying to use very picky legal language to pick apart the warrants and all this type of shit.

They're saying the court says basically, go fuck yourself on all this. They said the complaints and warrants stated that a murder had been committed and that evidence was in the car or house. And some of the evidence consisted of hair, blood, clothing, and the warrants commanded the seizure of such items. It's Butch's contention that the warrants weren't sufficient to authorize the seizure of such items, mainly on the ground that the items mentioned in the complaint and warrant are not are not as the statute permits to be searched for because they fell under the classification of quote mere evidence and

didn't fall under these three specific categories okay which is complete horseshit and there's there's legal shit and then there's also logical inferences. And I am not a fucking attorney at all, as you might notice, because I'm an idiot. I have a fucking GED. I did not graduate high school. So I don't know shit about this. Lawyers send us messages and saying, hey, you guys got that right. I don't know how. All I know is that I read this shit, and then it says this case is a reference to it.

So then I read that case and I figure out how that relates to that. And then I'll go back a few cases till I know what happened in this one specific case. But I could never know anything about anything else. So stop saying I'm smart. People say I'm smart sometimes. I'm like, whoa, relax. I'm a fucking moron that if I work really hard, I can maybe comprehend one thing at a time it's possible as fuck jay that's it though no it's not it's just i'm i'm better at editing even good terrible

i don't know what i'm talking about so anyway uh yeah so uh he's saying that they shouldn't have had all that the court finds that there's no unreasonable search and seizure in connection with the evidence used to trial uh as much of a big mess as it is, he was showing everybody around, handing keys to people, telling them go ahead and search whatever the fuck you want, left and right, and all sorts of shit.

Pointing out evidence. He's showing them the evidence, and they go collecting it. He's like, you can't have that. And it's like, you showed it to us, asshole. So at the trial, the Lieutenant Barber of the state police, he testified that hair samples from Francis and the trunk latch match, also from Angel's auto, from Butch's auto, and a small rug that fits around the toilet bowl in their house had four. They also had hair there, had basic similarities to her hair

uh but it's all but they said it's almost impossible to say that they definitely came from the same head because the science is inexact so nowadays done they know immediately okay that's her hair especially if it's got a root on it yeah it's a fucking h that shit you could dna shit you touched fucking 10 years ago now it's insane so uh so also they uh dallas this guy jesus christ a guy named dallas angel no relation by the way really multiple angels multiple butchers tiny town tiny town dallas isn't even related dallas r angel that's that's quite the fucking name dallas angel j Jesus Christ. This guy here, he testifies that in October of 1966, he waited in the car while Butch Angel went into the hardware store to buy a hunting knife. When Butch returned to the car from the store, Dallas said, quote, he showed me the knife on the court, he says.

They showed him the knife that they found at the murder scene. And the Dallas Angel identified that as the same knife that he had bought with him at that time. They showed him the sheath. And this guy said, quote, I don't remember this. I just looked at the knife. So that's sort of honest, I guess. So that's sort of honest, I guess. Now, many of the details of what happened the night of him, what he did from the time he gets home and the babysitter, Francis, is there with his children to the time where he shows up at Arnold Summers' house.

That whole thing in between. Most of that comes from two different people from jail that he told the exact same story to. Okay. Of the whole thing. That's who testifies. That's how they got that whole story. What we said. What happened.

He stabbed her because she slapped his. That all comes from. All that is from jailhouse informants. That's all from jailhouse informants that have the same story here. A guy named Gary Jr. Boggs was in the same cell as him in the county jail. And he testified that butch told him the story about what he'd done middle name junior middle name is junior gary junior boggs wonderful no it's really not but at least his name isn't fucking butch so i'll take it uh the details of this also uh are they go right along with the testimony of other people who saw and talked to him and other people he told.

And he knew shit that only that Butch could know, only the person that did it could know, basically. The Butch's attorneys used another jail inmate as a witness who stated that Boggs told this jailhouse inmate that he fabricated the story. inmate that he fabricated the story and uh however the story told by boggs has details that he could not have known uh unless it was told to him by the by the killer and also they were and it was corroborated by other people too so uh one of those things uh jackie lee halstead who went out honky tonking with him that fucking night here uh he said that he was shown, uh, in court, he was shown a, he obviously testified to what they did. He was shown a photo of Angel's car taken three days after the murder. And he said, quote, it's cleaner than it was that night, sir.

It wasn't what you call real dirty, but it wasn't this clean, sir. So it definitely got cleaned up from that night. Uh, Lovejoy, Miss Lovejoy testifies. Uh, also she testifies to everything we said earlier that she did miss miss lovejoy there she also testifies that her fiancee drove her home about 10 30 or 11 p.m on november 18th uh which is the night when he that's right about when he was coming home from work and she saw butch drive away from his house in his car. That's must have been when he was leaving. She said that on the next day that that Butch asked, asked her, asked Lovejoy if she had possibly seen a black and white Ford across the street the night before.

And she said that she hadn't seen any strange cars in the neighborhood. And she sounds nosy like she'd have fucking looked, I think, here. So lots of evidence is also introduced in regard to his mental capacity and whether he knew right from wrong. His attorneys refused to inform the court whether they intended to use the defense of insanity. But then finally they did. They requested the court place Butch in a sanitarium of their selection for mental examination, which request was granted. He was examined by a psychologist as well as a psychiatrist. The psychologist, D.P. Peters, old double penetration Peters, or Rogers, I'm sorry.

I don't know why I wanted to call him Peters. I don't know. It's a pretty good one. It's a pretty good one. D.P. Peters is pretty good. There's a lot of gay porn in this. Testified that he thought that Butch was an insecure man with sadistic tendencies, which if his masculinity was challenged, would result in homicidal actions towards women.

So that if his masculinity was challenged or if, you know, a young girl turned down his advances or something like that, is that that's what they're kind of saying here and called him a name or made him feel like he was less than. How about that? He might stab her 46 times. The psychiatrist, Richard M. Kitching. So his name is Dick also. So even that's got a fucking something phallic in it.

Dick Kitching, which sounds a lot like Dick Itching. Dr. Dick spent eight hours with him. in two also hours with butch's parents he said that uh uh butch the guy he interviewed uh he interviewed him with and without sodium amytol uh so he drugged him he drugged him and got i don't know if it's like a truth serum or what the fuck is going on here uh he said that he was a pseudo-sociopath paranoid schizophrenic, meaning he had spells of instinctive actions without controls that normal people have that he thought people were plotting against him and that he did not know right from wrong at the time of the crime.

By the way, anything mental shit from back then is hilarious because it's completely fucked up. And there are theories of different criminal mentalities. The FBI hadn't even... John Douglas, the behavioral unit, none of that shit was happening yet. And the treatment for all this shit was fucking crazy. We can shock him until he drools a lot.

We can take an ice pick and poke him behind the eyeball. There's a room over there. We could put him in it. We could do that. Oh, no, we ain't going to do nothing then. Just put him in it. That's the plan. And lock it. Lock we'll just it's soft inside so he'll be all right don't you worry about that shit the lock's hard though oh you know that it's all steel

uh yeah so he says that uh he did that he didn't know right from wrong at the time of the crime the doctor also said that butch said he could not remember killing francis but just remembered becoming enraged and then finding himself with her stabbed body. Just, oh, wow. Look at this. A stabbed 12-year-old. Also, they also said there was also a witness that testified from Army records, which I guess Butch was in the Army.

Butch submitted to him with regard to an instance where he attempted to tear up an Army barracks over a very small trivial thing so they introduced that uh the dr kitching old dick kitching dick itching here uh also said that jesus christ that butch attacked him when he tried to administer sodium but later became docile so he even attacked the psychiatrist j Jesus Christ. The man's a lunatic. He's a fucking lunatic. After the examination requested by Butch, the court, acting on its own motion under this code here, had Butch examined by their people because that's what they do. Dr. Thomas Knapp and a Dr. William Rossman. At least nobody's named Dick there at all.

Dr. Knapp was unable to get anything out of Butch because his lawyers had advised him not to talk with the doctor. So he wouldn't say shit. Now, July 1967, Butch creates a disturbance in the jail and cut himself severely, at which point Dr. Knapp recommended to the court that he be sent to a hospital, which the court did. the court did uh dr knapp in rebuttal to the testimony of dr kitching who said he's not responsible for his actions uh was asked a hypothetical question based on evidence introduced to the trial and answered that butch knew the difference between right and wrong at the time of the crime giving us his reason that butch tried to conceal what he had done right uh dr rossman was also used by the state on rebuttal so that's a big deal for later on uh he examined he examined him.

Also, he was asked the hypothetical question based on the evidence and stated that Butch's activities after the homicide indicated a frenzy of guilt to cover up a wrong deed, and he would not have gone psychotic and back to normal so suddenly, is what he says. Also, another witness here, Jesus Christ, offers rebuttal evidence. Another psychiatrist here testifies from a report that he testifies that a report, which was a composite of work done by Butch, done on Butch by other staff members, as well as a separate report made by him dealing with both the physical and mental nature of Butch. He testified that Butch admitted that to him he did not remember, that he did remember attacking the babysitter with a knife. He said that Butch admitted that he had a volatile temper and had done many antisocial acts with schizoid trends.

So they're trying to say that he's fucking crazy. The doctor thought that Butch was not a true psychotic or full schizophrenic and that he knew right from wrong at the time that he was examined crazy. The doctor thought that Butch was not a true psychotic or full schizophrenic and that he knew right from wrong at the time that he was examined at the hospital. And that's how it works. So after all this shit, by the way, he says at the time when all these doctors are testifying, Butch's people say that that it violates his constitutional rights to be examined by anyone other than his own psychiatrist.

How is that? That's bullshit. If one gets you, the other one gets you. That's just the way it is. I mean, I'm sure the judge can make a judgment on that, but it has to be for a reason. You're not allowed to look at him. So the verdict comes in. This trial's over. Big shocker. He's

guilty of first-degree fucking murder without any cause of mercy they have either. They're saying, fuck this guy. So the judge has, I'm sure, pleasure sentencing this asshole. He says, you, sir, may fuck off. Life without parole. Eat dicks, which is good.

This is very good. Now, it's not over yet, though. There's an appeal. 1969. Goes to the state Supreme Court. It's the same thing he's going on his assignments of error are illegal search warrants uh improper testimony by psychiatrists that's why i told you all that shit and improper instructions given on behalf of the state and proper instructions

offered and refused on behalf of the defendant okay long story of how this shit works uh basically uh it's mainly about the search. They go into the search a lot, and they end up saying that the fact that he consented to all this shit. Invited it. Invited it. Basically begged to be searched and to be seized and everything else. They say that they did not violate his constitutional rights, and the judgment is affirmed, and he's still life in prison. Still fucking off.

Still fucking off. Now, 1974 comes around yeah uh butch is one of 100 inmates who are fighting for prison reform not prison reform sentencing reform right okay they're saying you can't have life without parole there's no hope he said there's just no hope for us. That's kind of the idea. Yeah, they said it's just every day, every, this one guy says, every life term or has a discharge date of death. That's what he says. It's what it is. Now, Butch also talks in this whole thing here, which is fucking funny. Butch says, quote, why take Bethany College's classes with a sentence like I have?

What's the point? He's just saying there's no point in doing anything. There's no hope for us. That's true. Yeah, that's true. Because you killed a 12-year-old. We don't give a fuck like I have. What's the point? He's just saying there's no point in doing anything. There's no hope for us. That's true. Yeah, that's true, because you killed a 12-year-old. We don't give a fuck about you anymore. Sit in a room and count the bars. When you kill a 12-year-old.

When you're done, start over. When you kill a 12-year-old, that's a special thing. And by the way, he kills a 12-year-old fucking girl in prison. I would hope somebody would stab this fucking guy right in the face. I would fucking hope so, just in terms of what he did, especially in a small area. Jesus Christ. right in the face i would fucking hope so just in terms of why what he did especially a small area jesus christ uh so uh anyway uh also at this point he wins a court battle where this is silly he's given credit for time served in between his arrest and his conviction it's 20 months of credit for time served on a life without parole sentence. The only reason he does this is because apparently the credit, it affects classification and job assignment at the prison,

how long you've been there. So he wants time served so he can get a better fucking job. Yeah, he wants to do something. Wow. Let's help him have an easier life, shall we? May 1976, there's another hearing. This is a habeas hearing. This is where they're going for errors and all that kind of shit and uh this is when you start to get desperate you have the habeas because you your normal appeals run out so now you start having

this is hail mary time this is hail mary time yeah uh so the uh this guy is asking his obviously butch is asking that his conviction be set aside because he claims that a witness lied in his trial testimony. He claims that Gary Jr. Boggs lied about everything because this is this will get confusing for a second. OK, now Boggs testifies in this hearing that he signed an affidavit stating that he lied in the murder trial out of fear for his life. that he lied in the murder trial out of fear for his life. So he says he signed an affidavit in prison saying that he lied at the murder trial, but he only signed that affidavit because he was in fear of his life in prison. That's what he was saying. He says now during the trial, obviously, Boggs testified that he heard everything.

Now, Boggs says in this in this hearing now that Butch dictated the statement that he wrote, that he signed the affidavit to, and that he lied and recopied it in his own handwriting. So he wrote it out, Butch did, and then he did that. Now Boggs said he signed a typed version under the threat of being beaten and killed by other inmates. Boggs also says that Butch offered him a stereo, a television, and half of his prison bank account in exchange for the statement that he lied, which is very prison.

Yeah. But the lie is that is that he heard the story from him. Yes. He's saying that now he what Boggs is saying is Boggs is saying Butch forced him under threat of violence to sign an affidavit saying that he lied and caught it, saying that he heard about this and he actually lied the whole time. And then now he's going to be freed on this. Right. Exactly. So all of it's under threat of force anyway. So it's crazy.

So 1979, this goes all the way to the Supreme Court of West fucking Virginia, which is like four guys with Yosemite Sam hats on. I'm the mayor, obviously sitting right in the middle going, I'll take care of this. So they're like, have you done even one day of law school? No, no. But I'm the mayor. I have the authority. Jesus Christ, man.

I investigated this one. I'll make the final call. I look through everything. Now, this appeal is of the last appeal. This is an appeal of the last appeal. This is an appeal of the habeas denial that he had last time. Got it. For the testimony of Boggs. OK, he's saying they claimed that any error was made in all of his complaints in the last hearing. The court said that it was a harmless constitutional error because there's errors that happen and they basically decide whether they're harmless or not. And all these appeals are some sort of errors, but they're like,

that's a harmless error. That's not the whole case. Yeah, that's exactly what it is. So he's challenging that. Now, the constitutional error he's alleging is that giving the giving an instruction presuming first degree murder from the use of a deadly weapon. This type of instruction was held to be unconstitutional because it shifted the burden of proof of a key element of the crime from the state to the defendant is what he's saying. OK, now they're saying in this present case, the jury verdict was for first degree murder without a recommendation for mercy. So such is that such that there is a direct correlation between the constitutionally defective instruction and the jury verdict. They're saying that they forced the jury verdict with this erroneous, unconstitutional court instruction.

Sure. Now, this is kind of important, though, because this is this is a big deal. So he also says that they also say the United States Supreme Court was aware of the doctrine of harmless constitutional error at the time it decided this other case. They talk about this case called Hankerson, which I read and it's fucking boring. It doesn't matter. It's not as fun as this one. Not that dead 12-year-old girls are fun, but you know what I mean. This was decided that no suggestion was made that constitutionally defective instruction could be treated as harmless error.

That's that's what they're calling this case that says that no, that constitutionally defective instruction isn't just harmless. It's actually more than that. Now, they're saying that basically they're saying they're trying to shoehorn that into this case. Basically, they're saying they're trying to shoehorn that into this case. Now, what ends up happening, though, is the court says, quote, after all this, we conclude the trial court erred in holding the doctrine of harmless constitutional error operates to cure a constitutionality impermissible instruction, which instructs the jury in a criminal case, it'll make sense in a second, to accept a presumption of proof beyond a reasonable doubt of any material element of the crime charge or requires the defendant either to introduce evidence to rebut the presumption or to carry the burden of proving the contrary. Now, bottom line is they say, while this case must be reversed and remanded to the trial court, they're fucking reversing this case.

Oh, my God. We do note that the defendant is not entitled to absolute discharge on his writ of habeas corpus. He's just going to be tried again. He should not be given an unconditional discharge until the state has a reasonable opportunity to decide if they wish to retry him. They're saying, hold him, decide if you want to retry him. If not, you got to let him fucking go. Obviously. That's what they're goddamn saying. And they've got a time frame before they have

to let them go that's the thing yeah they can't just hold them forever here 20 days well they can build a case because it's a trial so they can help they just have to redo everything uh so uh they do all this the case is reversed and remanded retrial set for october 19 fucking 79 okay uh so they do this it was originally supposed to be in august but it didn't commence and it doesn't end up commencing until february 2nd 1981 unbelievable so two years uh february 2nd 1981 all right so uh the venue was changed also because everybody in town had known about this uh also the judge how awesome is that that it's his second trial on groundhog day on gray yeah yeah again that's hilarious over and over and over again just keep doing his trial and it all ends

terribly yeah it all ends the same way uh so the the judge ends up being replaced by another judge and the whole fucking thing uh now uh his attorney uh butch's attorney, moved the court to be relieved of his duty of representation in 1979. That's what this delay was. And another, the county attorney, was appointed to replace another attorney. And it's fucking nuts. And there was all these different attorneys being assigned and then jumping off the case. So they bring a guy in and then they leave. You don't want lose yeah that's exactly right hand me an l i want the fuck out well even the the prosecution team they had shit going on and they had to leave and i got a swim

meet tomorrow and you know things like that my kids got a thing going on i gotta go there so uh uh the on october in october 1979 the court was advised that there was disagreements among members of the defense team and that Butch preferred that one attorney act as the lead rather than the other guy who was supposed to act as the lead. So they keep going back and forth. And upon questioning by the court, Butch replied that he was, quote, more in tune with the way the one guy's name was White. White wants to handle the case. The court ended up but white didn't want to go didn't just didn't want the fucking case that's insane so he gets off it and then he gets reappointed again in 1980 so all of these delays are because of him that's the fucking thing here they're all his horseshit uh but uh he's retried it's a three-day trial circumstances surrounding her

have not changed at all uh they discussed the whole thing they get the bogs as evidence they have all the fucking all the blood evidence the only thing that's different is the mayor doesn't testify this time for some fucking reason get the fuck out of here and there was no psychological or psychiatric testimony presented by either butch or the state. They just said, fuck that. That's just it's not. It's a loser for both of us. So he's found guilty again. Again.

Yes. Fucking thank fuck. There's more fucking appeals. Yeah. And the appeals are on the grounds that there was such a long delay between the which was his fault because it's all his attorney's shit there was a slight delay in the middle between the prosecutors but that was in between that was during a time where there was a big lapse of he didn't want this attorney and he wanted that attorney so nothing fucking mattered uh yeah it's so stupid uh he invoked jesus christ

this is so fucking stupid uh the prosecutor at this point, the prosecuting attorney. Fuck Jesus. Can you imagine having a fucking deal with this? They're like, this happened 15 fucking years ago. And this guy is still Jesus Christ. You were convicted once. Now you're convicted again. Just take the fucking punishment.

Absolutely right. He also in this trial, he contends that the jury was prejudiced by the denial of that. He wanted to individually talk to the jurors and chambers, the prospective jurors about whether they've read a newspaper article appealing concerning his prior conviction. had read something about the case and all who said they had reservations about being impartial were excused the remaining ones stated that the article didn't influence them or cause them to formulate any opinion concerning guilt or innocence which that's all the judge's standard is that's all that the legal standard is if you say i can be fair they got to go all right thank you all right yeah that's all you can do stick around they also say they find no merit in his assertion butch's assertion that the trial court should have granted a mistrial when the prosecutor in closing argument and we'll get to this referenced uh to a fact that was undisputed he said this is undisputed is something but that's it's grandiose

it's closing arguments you're fucking you're you're weaving a web you're telling a story in closing arguments and opening statements it's not a that's not legal fact that's introduced that's just a statement. Kicking things off. Yeah, you can't say crazy shit, but you can be loosey-goosey. A little inflammatory.

Yeah, you can be more loosey-goosey. Butch claims that this was intended as a reference to his failure to testify, which it wasn't actually, because we have the statement here, and it definitely wasn't that.

He also argues that the court should have suppressed evidence obtained as a result of conversations between him and police officers after he had requested an attorney, but he then said he didn't want an attorney. So at that point, you can say whatever the fuck you want. He asked for a specific attorney. They looked up the number and started to dial, and he said, never mind, I want to help you. I don't need an attorney.

Why would I need an attorney? He literally said, quote, no, I don't need an attorney. I want to help you I don't need an attorney why would I need an attorney he literally said quote no I don't need an attorney I want to help you end quote that's pretty I want to help you convict me I want to help you could please let me help you hurt me uh yeah uh finally he also uh says the shifting of burden of proof thing that we talked about before in the closing uh argument here uh the defense, the defense attorney also tried to say this is really hard to say. He says, quote, Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, someone hitting your child doesn't justify that person being killed. Of course it doesn't. Nothing does unless somebody is trying to kill your child. Maybe and maybe that would. But there's no other indication that that sort

of thing happened. But the question and the issue is, was this a premeditated murder in the first degree or was it a homicide, which was a result of some sudden passion and drunkenness taken together, which makes it either manslaughter or second degree murder? there was a legal issue with what he said and they tried to make that like a, it's a, if the prosecutor said something that's untoward that they shouldn't say, that's a reason to have to reverse something. But if your attorney says something stupid, you can't then say, Hey, my attorney said something.

I don't, that was illegal. That may put the shit in a legal quandary. So now I get to go home because that was your attorney. Stupid uh they tell him go fuck yourself affirmed uh life without parole still this is finally in you know 1984 this last appeal was which was 18 fucking years ago or 18 years after the goddamn killing so he's still in jail as of uh may 24th 2005 he's still in jail as of May 24th, 2005. He's still in jail. And then his mother, Alberta Angel, dies at the age of 79 in a hospital there. I normally wouldn't put that in.

But the fact that they say in the obituary that, by the way, Mount Olive Correctional Facility is the place he's at. They say, quote, she is survived by her four children, Larry E. Angel of Nitro, Lennis L. Angel of Mount Olive. No, of fucking prison, you mean? Of prison for killing a 12-year-old girl? That is the nicest way to say in prison for murder that I've ever heard in my motherfucking life. Of Mount Olive. Of Mount Olive.

Like, it's, Jesus Christ. Of Mount Olive olive that is brilliant holy shit they didn't spring for the extra letters for correctional facility nothing no they didn't they could have just said uh m-o-c-c i think it's called they're gonna call it that no of mount olive like he's got a lovely home with a garden you should see his rose bushes they're beautiful this time of year oh Oh, my God. Fuck me. He's currently serving life without parole at Mount Olive Correctional Center, eating dicks on a daily basis.

And he's old as fuck, too. He was born in 1944. So, I mean, he's getting up there in fucking age here. 60s? No, he's not. Is that 70s? Yeah. Is it 70s?

It's goddamn near in his 80s. Okay. All right. So, he's up there. He's ready to die, which is nice. He's ready tos? He's in his 70s? It's goddamn near in his 80s. Okay, all right. So he's up there. He's ready to die, which is nice. He's ready to die like Biggie. Hopefully somebody will shoot him in the car. That'd be great.

I mean, it's a matter of time. It's almost over. Yeah, he's definitely going down. Frances Cake Voiles. Man, she was born March 28, 1954, and lived to November 19, 1966. That's so fucking awful and young. That is terrible. And it's hard because normally we try to talk about something about the victims, but there's not a lot to talk about with her because they didn't back then. They would just try to kind of hide the child.

And she's just a child. She didn't get a chance. What are you going to say? She liked jacks? She's 12. She had no. So it's just tough. She liked babys a child. She didn't get a chance. What are you going to say? She liked Jacks? She's 12. She had no... So it's just tough. She liked babysitting kids.

Yeah, she didn't have a chance to have interest yet. I don't know what she did like, but I'll tell you what she didn't like. She didn't like being stabbed 46 fucking times. And she apparently didn't like getting a magazine swatted out of her hand. So two things. She is buried at the Spring Hill Cemetery in charleston and i saw her tombstone thing and it just says daughter in her name it's very sad daughter not much else to say and i also on this is super weird on their find a grave on her find a grave page there's pictures

and it'll have like a there's an old old old faded picture of her from a newspaper that you can't really see in 50s from yeah from 1966 and there is uh two pictures of her tombstone and then there's a picture of the death certificate with the cause of death and the it's fucking filled out by her dad oh my god different parts and shit it's fucking weird so that's intense it's very intense if we were at a live show i would show you that and uh but we're not so we can't uh but you should buy tickets to live shows in houston where uh we can show you crazy things like that.

That is Nitro West Virginia. And that is quite the tale. We've just weaved right there of Lennis and poor Francis and Jesus Christ, poor Elkie. I got to say, too. She really got the raw deal. She did. And that mayor is the dumbest fucking mayor. What an asshole.

Really hope somebody ousted him in the next election. What a complete fucking idiot. But if you like that story, I got an idea what you can do, Jimmy. It's a pipe dream. It's just on the tip of sanity. It's a real flavor. What you can do is, I think you can go to iTunes, Apple Podcasts. We'll take it.

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Oh, my God. Links to all the tickets. Like we said, Houston, you're up first on October 4th. Dallas, October 5th. Get those tickets right now. They're both at the House of Blues, so it's a nice venue.

Yeah. We're not going to take you to some shithole venue. We're not going to put you in some place named Winkies or something. No, it's going to be a good time.

You won't stick to the floor. No. It'll be fine. So come there, and not only that, you can follow links on Shut Up and give me murder over to patreon.com slash crime and sports or over to paypal using our email address uh crime and sports

at gmail.com to make a one-time donation or make donations over at paypal and become one of our heroes one of our damn producers who we just want to hug and love so much. And Jimmy, I think it's about that time. It's that time to hit me with that list. Executive producers this week are Joseph Minner, Chrissy Ann Castaldi, Michael Kennedy, oh shit, Jan Wendell Crenshaw. I think that's right. Yeah, it sounds good. Either way, it sounds good.

Vicky Sweezin and Michael Bauer and Gary Howard. Thank you guys so, so much. We really appreciate it. You guys step up in an incredible way. Appreciate it. Definitely. Happy birthday to Elliot from your girlfriend. I don't have her name.

Oh, happy birthday. Mary Meeks, Ashley Veo, Jesse Herrera, Margie Kunze, Jesse Hartman, and Klaus, his dog. Oh, cool. Thank you. Under the Sea Fabrics with Jessica Willis, Pietilla's OK Wedding, Welding? Wedding. OKding? Wedding. OK? I think it's Welding.

OK like Oklahoma? Or OK like it's decent? It's fine. It'll do. It'll do. It'll hold. It'll get you through. Yeah, yeah.

That's good. It's not going to hold water or anything. That's not going to go crazy here. You can put your mail in it. Yeah, it's going to be fine. Yeah, it's good. Gary Howard, I said his name because he was up there. He donated twice.

Thank you, Gary. Wow, thank you so much, Gary. Matt Dietrich, Rebecca Pope, Victoria Del Nisi, Del Visi, I don't know if that's an N or a V. I don't know what I did there. I don't know what I'm doing. Del Visi, that's it, I think.

Kristen Quintaliani, yes. Ooh, I like that. It's a good name. It is. Bryant Toole, P.B. Corbin, Craig McGeechan, Ariana Folsom, Kim Hodgkiss, Rachel Vrankx, V-R-A-N-C-K-X, Tool, P.B. Corbin, Craig McGeechan, Ariana Folsom, Kim Hodgkiss, Rachel Vrankx, V-R-A-N-C-K-X. Vrankx. Yeah, that's a cool name. James Fraker, Laura Demerath,

Lauren Demerath, Laura Sauter, Kate Ives, Rob Roberts, Stephen Rude. He sent an email to say, stay scummy. That was sweet. That's nice. Well, thank you. We're going to take that as a compliment thank you sinfully delightfully clean eating sinfully delightful clean eating cool do that check that out justin miller he donates every show and thank you so

much and then gives a little uh just who we listen to that's fucking oh thank you so much thank you katie roble uh mark mccann um mccann uh wait no yeah it's mccann uh jessica schuler Katie Roble, Mark McCann, Jessica Shuler, Rachel Stora, and she actually wanted to say happy birthday to Ryan Stora. Well, happy birthday, Ryan. And also, Bobby Richmond said to say happy birthday to his girlfriend, Talia. Good Lord. Anything else going on today? How many fucking birthdays are there?

Any fucking proposals or anything this week, Jimmy? What do you got? Can we tell you to have a terrible anniversary? Didn't we do that one week? Have an awful time at a mediocre fucking mid-range restaurant that'll fuck up one of your orders and then force yourselves to have sex afterwards, even though you're too full. Enjoy. Salute.

Grind your jennies into each other. Shantani, everybody. Good luck. Stephanie Egoa, Katmandu Real Estate. Heather Campbell, Libby Payette, Wyatt Vincent Parsons, John Savvy,

Weston Blake, Jay Poole, Lauren Russo, Kyle Gosselin, Katie Nevenfeld, Michael Terry, Dan Burley. Jessica Hartzell. Angela Miller. Troy Mongillo.

Mongillo. That's a fucking Spanish one, isn't it? That sounds like it. Kathy Jackson. Ben Katke. Thomas Gallagher. Sean Quinlan. Jared McHugh.

Jacqueline Jones. James Esselta, Christina Stewart, Jennifer Dowlings, Jessica Christensen, Christine Infinger, Mary Wenner, and Jonas Erstad. You guys are fucking heroes. Thank you so goddamn much. From the bottom of our hearts, honestly, you make these shows possible. You make it so we can do these shows and still be able to pay our electric bills to have these microphones on in a house that I can't afford without you guys because we needed a fucking studio. And Robitussin's gross. Robitussin's gross. I can afford it. You can afford it.

And that's because of you guys. Thank you so much for everything you do. You've made us people. You've made us real boys. And we fucking appreciate the hell out of everything you guys do for us. What if people wanted to depreciate the hell out of you, Jimmy? Where could they find you to do that? You can find me at Wisman Sucks, W-H-I-S-M-A-N Sucks, on Twitter, Instagram, and Snapchat.

And it's really overwhelming how much it happens now, how many messages tweets and and personal shit comes to it's it's i apologize for not getting back to every single one but i promise you i read it all and i look at it all thank you guys thank you guys what about you i'm at where can they where can they take up your time i'm at jimmy p is funny over there on twitter and you can just uh copy and paste my show name from the show description on the others they're finally doing Instagram now and start doing stupid shit. Isn't it fun? No, it's not because I don't have time for this shit. I don't have time for this shit.

Even the CEOs of the company quit. Yeah, I'm just, that's what I'm saying. I'm just doing it because that's where people want to follow shit and I'm going to whatever the fuck. So I guess find me on there or something. I don't know. Whatever. I mean, I'll post something and have the account re-find it and redo it and you guys can fucking find

it and do whatever the hell you want with it. But follow those social media pages. Shove it up your asses. We're going to try to do some contests and get some personal shit to you guys. Yeah, yeah. We're going to try to do some cool shit here. Definitely. Try to make things fun.

So follow those at Murder Small and at Crime and Sports and the others. Just search for them and you'll find it. But thank you guys so much. It's been a crazy goddamn episode. This the the essence of small town murder this week and until next week everybody it's been our pleasure Hey, Prime members, you can listen to Small Town Murder early and ad-free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today. Or you can listen early and ad-free with Wondery Plus and Apple Podcasts. Before you go, tell us about yourself by completing a short survey at wondery.com slash survey. It's all a lighthearted nightmare on our podcast,

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