Small Town Murder - #90 - A Closet Full Of Murder in Brentwood, Tennessee

Episode Date: October 18, 2018

This week, in Brentwood, Tennessee, we check out a case that is incredibly different from the last time we looked at Tennessee, as a couple lives the dream by having their own business, and moving into an affluent suburb, to live happily ever after. Unfortunately, that turns into a mess of lies, a closet full of surprises, and one vicious killing. It's a mind bogglingly ridiculous plot!! Along the way, we find out how something as simple as a highway can make a town boom, what could be the most permissive first date ever, and whether taking a lot of drugs is the best way to seem innocent of murder!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday!!Please subscribe, rate, and review!Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!Head to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder!For merchandise: crimeinsports.threadless.comCheck out James and Jimmie's other show: Crime in Sports Follow us on social media!Facebook: facebook.com/smalltownpodInstagram: instagram.com/smalltownmurderTwitter: twitter.com/MurderSmall Contact the show: [e-mail] See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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murder, and a man sleeping in a closet cause quite the spectacle. Welcome to Small Town Murder. hello everybody and welcome back to small town murder yay yay indeed jimmy yay indeed from the bottom of my my heart and soul indeed. Thank you folks so much for joining us this week on another exciting edition of Small Town Murder. We have one of the craziest goddamn stories today. It's just a wacky, interesting... You're just like, what the hell is going on? Like our fucking week. Yeah, like our week.

What is going on in upper class America? This is an episode that's not uh panhandle so much uh we don't want to be like the you know the uh the trailer park murder podcast so we want to mix it up a lot and that's why uh i'll buy well you heard it in the opening but we're back in tennessee and i know we were just in tennessee but we're doing this on purpose i'm doing this because last time we were in t, we were in the middle of nowhere in this rural town with these trailer people. And not trailer people.

You can live in a trailer. That's fine. But these were like, there's some land. I just plunked a trailer on it, and I live in the woods. It was a fucked up- Not a trailer park. It's just a fucking trailer out there. It was just a messed up situation.

And so we wanted to show that, like, there's other you know, there's other things in every state. So this is the complete've listened to all the shows but then you got to my state and now you're mad now i got a problem you can make fun of everybody make fun of yourself too that's the thing that's how we make fun of ourselves i don't know if you've ever heard how i talk about new york but uh it's not glowing and uh you know i am from there and then phoenix also or the arizona in general i would say it's hell on earth it's the devil's's taint. It doesn't matter where I am. It sucks. It's not you. That's what I'm saying. Relax everybody out there. But thank you so

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rescheduled the show for two days earlier. Right. November 3rd. It is it's stand up live, which is one of the best venues for anything in the country. It's amazing. Fucking amazing. Comfortable, and the tickets are cheaper than they were at the Van Buren. So please get those tickets. It's a Saturday night, no excuses.

We're really sorry if you were planning on Monday and that's all you could do. We really, really apologize. But honestly, it was completely out of our control. We don't schedule elections. But the other point is that uh the refunds for there are refunds yes yes tell them about this go to the point of sale whoever you bought the tickets from they'll give you your money there and they will refund you your money and then come fucking hang with us yeah please do that and uh also well we seattle here uh if you're hearing this on thursday we're in portland tonight yeah uh there's like i don't know if there's any tickets left by Thursday.

There was very few when we're recording now. Seattle, the Friday show. We are very sad to say we have to cancel that. It's not canceled. It's not canceled. It's pushed back. It's rescheduled. It's a venue thing.

And again, we have no control. We don't have any control over venues. And that's a problem. That's a problem. And that's one of the things we need to work out in the future. All the rest of the shows for the entire tour are there. They're all ago. Everything's fine.

These were shows that we were we knew were going to be problems from the beginning. And we just knew they were going to be a problem. And and somehow they got booked anyway. And it was honestly out of our control. But we should have locked it down. We apologize. That's that's that slipped through the right honestly moving forward we'll take control over it but we promise you no more

fuck-ups for the rest of the time but seattle they were trying to reschedule us in a venue that had didn't have chairs and we're not doing that so we just said we're going to reschedule it at the same venue uh all your tickets will still be good for that it It's going to be in April. We apologize. Otherwise, sorry if it's travel plans are messed up. Trust us. We just spent a lot of money rescheduling plane tickets. And that's going to come out of somebody's end and not ours. Okay.

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enough doom and gloom and craziness and wacky rescheduling bullshit. Will you please tell some people, uh, I think there's something we need to do here. I think cause there, well, first of all, disclaimer,

because I'm sorry that we're like disclaimer because another couple annoying things this week with people. Guys, this is a comedy podcast. Everybody out there. We're going to tell jokes. If you don't like jokes or you're offended by jokes, sometimes you shouldn't listen to the show. I'm sorry, because clearly murder doesn't offend you because you're listening to a podcast

with murder in the title. So you're expecting death. So that's fine. But if you don't want jokes at all around your death, then you should take off now. Because if you come back later on and say, you said this and I'm not sure, we're going to tell you to go fuck yourself. I'm sorry. We are because this is a comedy podcast. It's our show.

It's not your show. We appreciate the producers. You have a stake in it and everything like that. But in the end, this is our show. And we're going to put out what we think is good. And that's it. And if somebody doesn't like it, they can kiss our asses. Or they can suck shit through a dick straw.

That's another thing. Either way, it's annoying because we go out of our way to not make fun of the victims or the victims' families. We're not doing it like that. We are assholes, but we're not scumbags. That's true. So if that's good with you and you want to laugh and laugh at silly shit around a crazy situation then you are in the right place and we're gonna have a great time and if not then uh please go listen to

dateline or something more serious and where they're not going to make any jokes and offend you i'm perfectly fine with my inbox staying empty that's right that said i know what you're thinking out there and i'd like you to shout it from all over, from if you're in your office, well, maybe conservative office, maybe not in your car, whatever. Mountaintops. Let us hear it.

Shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, Jimmy. Let's go on a trip, shall we? I would love to. Let's do this. God, the two minutes of extra shit in the beginning here are killing me. We apologize if people fast forward

to the five-minute mark, and you're like, they're still talking. Let's do do this let's go on a trip like i said we're going all the way to tennessee yeah from oregon last week all the way to tennessee and this is a totally different place from the last place like i said uh this is brentwood tennessee and it's ritzy like brentwood is in uh like la it's a it nice place. It's a, it's a dead center of the state, like a bullseye. It's fucking right there in the middle of the state. It's about 20 minutes outside of Nashville.

So it's like the nice suburb of Nashville, basically, uh, three hours to Memphis and two hours to Chattanooga. So it's in the middle by Nashville. And it's the best way to put it. Uh, it's in Williamson County,

zip code seven, three, seven, zero, two, four area code six, one, five. It's a big area, a big town. It's a Williamson County, zip code 37024, area code 615. It's a big area, a big town. It's a lot of large plots and things like that, 34.7 square miles.

And we'll talk about the population has just exploded in this place. Really? Yeah, like if this murder happened like last year, we wouldn't be able to do it because the town would be too big. It's too big now, but when the murder happened, it was still in our in our small town. That's because Nashville is growing like crazy. It's growing like and people are going to the site. Whenever a city grows, then people go, oh, this place is getting shitty. And, you know, when they have a couple of bucks, they go get a house or the yard.

There's a kid selling nutsack meat on my patio. My dog needs to run around and that's what they do. The motto of this town uh is it's it's my it's latin so this i mean this is a highbrow town it's not like y'all come back now you hear it's different tennessee got some latin it's uh ardennes fide i think i'm saying that right which means burning faith which is some highbrow shit for for a town say that say that in the the latin word again. Artens vide? Yeah. I think that's what it is.

Picture a southerner saying that shit. Artens vide. Oh, like a real, yeah. In Brentwood, I think they'd be like, artens vide. They'd be very. It's not real southerners. No, no, no. I feel like these are, well, maybe they are.

They're immigrant southerners. Yeah, maybe. I prefer another phrase I found Latin to describe. Cacata carta epidem, which means shitty town in Latin. I had to find that and get a translation. Very nice. Thank you, Google Translate. Thank you, Google. History of this town.

First people here, obviously, are Native Americans, clearly. You could pretty much say that about everything. That was the Mound Indians, or they're also called the Stone Box Indians. Jesus. That's a very uninviting title. It's not good. A title of a people there. Yeah, a stony box.

Yeah, it's very stony. But there's still, by 1300, these people kind of disappeared from this area. So, I mean, this is like way back in the day here. people kind of disappeared from this area. So, I mean, this is like way back in the day here. By the 1700s, the first settlers were planters and farmers who came here in the late 1700s. This was land granted to Revolutionary War soldiers by the state of North Carolina. So this was originally given to soldiers as payment, basically, is what they used to do back then.

They first had, obviously, cotton was a big thing here. A lot of plantations. There's probably a lot of ghosts floating around this type of place here. Put it that way. Tennessee, rich in history of quality humanitarian work is what I'm told. Yeah, yeah. If you drive through Tennessee, it's like Civil War battle site, Civil War battle site, Civil War battle site. You're like, oh, my.

It's interesting as fuck. Yeah, it's fascinating. I drove through there and stopped at all those goddamn places. I don't remember any of it. I'm told some of it. It's crazy shit. But this place grew pretty quickly in the 1800s. And by the time the Civil War came around it was one of the

uh wealthiest areas in the state so it's always been a wealthy area this place it's it's strange and they had good soil here the plantations did well people built big beautiful big beautiful plantation homes and shit like that uh these homes were used during the war for treating soldiers and like a lot of the plantation homes work because they're big like a hospital. So a lot of rooms for soldiers to get better in. But the problem was by the end of the war, because of all the war, there wasn't a lot of farm animals or crops left because that was part of it. You destroy everything.

As you go through, you destroy shit. Also, if there's animals, you're going to eat them. It's a goddamn army. They need food. So they're always looking for shit to get, take into their kind of orbit as they go through it's like a heathcliff cartoon fight it's like a big uh swirling dust storm that just takes everything in and other cats and shit like that i just saw the uh uh much much less i don't know is it more mature i just saw 300 the guy the the fucking persian

we drink rivers dry yeah and whatever whatever else they do that's they raped the land basically that's what you're getting just to support our warriors well this and this this fucking this has ruined the place basically all the plantation homes were destroyed i'm sure uh the slaves are probably happy oh i'm sure this is better yeah getting the fuck out of here now your house is like the place you keep me yeah thanks a lot yeah good yeah so uh march 25th 1863 uh uh general nathan bedford forest who's a cavalry uh confederate cavalry leader who was just an insane person who uh if you've seen forest gump they talk about him for a minute is that who who he's named after?

Yeah, not a good guy. Well, I mean, it depends on your point of view. But if you grew up in New York and you heard about the Civil War, you're like, well, he seems like an asshole. He was very much into the Klan later. He seems real terrible. Not my kind of guy. So he led a column of men into a union-controlled area and screwed a bunch of shit up with the railroad and did a sneak attack and cut telegraph wires and basically just cut this place off from communication and destroyed a bunch of artillery. That was Brentwood?

That was in Brentwood. Wow. Yeah, this is in this area here. They surrendered. The union surrendered Brentwood the next day, which was a big loss for them. The Union surrendered Brentwood the next day, which was a big loss for them. There was 305 Union casualties that day and only six Confederate casualties because it was a sneak attack raid. So, yeah, these people, this is an old hunting ground. So I guess maybe that's why the soil is fertile, they say, because it was a very large hunting ground back in the day.

When people first came here, they had a general store and a grist mill and a post office finally obviously and then shit loads of churches that's the thing they dropped mostly methodist churches popped up everywhere and this was just like they would just anywhere where there was people there just be these churches would proliferate it would be like it's like check cashing stores in a city. They put up a city. They're like, people need checks cash. There's going to be immigrants that don't have bank accounts. We can rob them of a percentage of their hard earned wages. Let's do it.

It's fucked up, man. So churches and check cashing places are very similar. They're very similar. They want to take a cut of poor people's money. That's what they want. So that's I feel like that's part of everything here. So a vague promise of a return. Very vague. Very, very vague. people's money that's what they want so that's i feel like that's part of everything here so uh vague promise of a return vague very vague very very vague so uh after the civil war a lot of the

land was kind of chopped up and sold in smaller farm you know smaller farms kind of the big the big properties were kind of diced up into smaller things and tobacco became what they what they grew here and uh population was pretty stable all through the 1900s. It didn't go up that much, all that much here. The 1920s, it seemed to have kind of a prosperous kind of rebirth. A little boom. A little boom here. In 1960, the population was 1,065.

Okay. Okay. So you can see how much this has grown as we're going to talk about. It's a nice little town. It's not bad. Late 60s, the housing started to boom because they made an interstate that took you right to, they had a freeway right to Nashville. So you could get to work in Nashville in 20 minutes.

So now people move there like crazy. And it was bigger lots and that sort of shit. They want their dogs and kids to run around. Towns incorporated in 1969. By 1970, 3, 3 500 people are there so that's more than double wow in 10 years 9400 by 1980 oh jesus so i mean it's just words getting out yeah and by the 1980s there's you know they have to establish school systems and they have to widen roads and put in more sewage and live i mean the population can't double triple triple every 10 years. That's crazy.

That's a lot. Exponential growth of a town is just for the infrastructure. You don't know what you need. By 1990, population was 16,400. Oh, my God. So, I mean, that's from 80 to 90 almost double. Yeah, it went from 1,000 to 16,400 in 30 years. That's too much.

By 2000, 23,500 people. Oh, my God. So this is crazy. 2005, there's about 29,000 people, which is when our story takes place. Oh, okay. So that comes in right under our radar. Right under the threshold. 2010, they had the flood of 2010, which is a good name for it.

It's very creative. These people are very creative. They dug deep. They dug deep for this one. On May 1st and 2nd, in less than 30 hours, the city received 14 to 17 inches of rain, which is a shitload of rain in a day. It was the worst natural disaster in the city's history. It caused water damage to almost 300 homes mudslides damage to the

bridges and the roads and uh they said basically it was the equivalent to two consecutive days with 100 year storm events so that's a too much rain basically is that what's a what's a maybe they need to tell us all what a hundred year storm yeah i don't know half of that apparently it's two days two days of seven and half of that apparently yeah that qualifies probably brentwood's a participant in the sister cities program uh-huh i've recently found what that is you are really it's where it's where what do they what do the cities observe either either one in interest of benefiting the other city also that makes what does that mean practically i don't know what do they do they uh they send girl scouts there to sell cookies i don't know what we're talking about i don't know they tell each other about the other city workers i don't know i know like it's on your

sign yeah like sister city is it'll be at this point yeah because i think scottsdale has one somewhere used to or paradise some one of these fucking cities i hate scottsdale so much this is uh it's in it it's their their town is is a British town, Brentwood in Essex. There you go. So that's where they get that from. I found some one-star user reviews that are pretty funny here. One-star user reviews, quote, I believe that the governor, state reps, and local representatives are not good enough to do their job.

One-star. Okay. Vote them out, sir. Yeah. The weather in my area can change into all four seasons in the matter of a day. The day could start off cold, then become breezy, but still nice. Then it's terribly hot, and at the end of the day, it rains. One star.

That's just weather. You move there. That's how the clouds go over you. I don't know what to tell you. It's unchangeable. You wake up, see, James, and it's cool. And then by noon, it's warm. Goddamn warm.

Then it gets warmer. Get me an afternoon shower. By the night. By night. Goddamn dark. It's different again. I think the sun goes away, and I don't care for that. You know, right around 8 o'clock at night, I can't see a goddamn thing.

It's real annoying. It's weird. It's dark. It's all dark. Sometimes it rains. Sometimes it doesn't. It's sneaky. It's weird. It's dark. It's all dark. Sometimes it rains. Sometimes it doesn't. It's sneaky. It's sneaky.

Here's another one. Earth science. That's a great review. Just to just reviewed the weather has nothing to do with the town itself. He has reviewed a pattern of one day of one day of weather. I feel like that day that's what happened. And he was like, whose son's fucking town? He woke up in the morning.

And he just chronicled the day. And the weather guy told me it was going to be sunny and warm all day. And then he's like, it's 8 o'clock in the morning, 65 outside, not even warm. I'm surprised he didn't put that on there. Shitty lying weatherman. Area has a terrible weatherman. Not good. It was not warm all day.

One star for his predictions as well uh here's another one here uh quote a lot of the restaurants are very expensive and have great service or it is cheap and the service is bad yeah that's called that's restaurants that's where you just described restaurants you just described how restaurants work a lot of the cars are really expensive but then they're super nice and fast or they're less expensive and shitty and crappy on the inside. And they don't run right. Yeah, that's how things work. More expensive things are better quality for the most part.

Less expensive things aren't. That's how it works. That's the world. I don't know what to make of that. That is the greatest man alive. That's what you make of that. Between him and the weather guy, I'm like, what a weird town of complainers. This is a strange place.

Where can I review this restaurant? You know what? I'm just going to review them all in town on the town website. It's not even a town website. It's a website about towns. It's the weirdest thing ever. But Money Magazine named it the number 21 best place to live in like 2017. Almost top 20.

But let's look at number 20 is Wiley, Texas, and number 22 is in Indiana. So, I mean, let's judge this on a sliding scale here. People in this town, current population is 40,000, which is above our usual threshold. But when we look at 2005, it's under 30. But I'm going to give you stats for now to give you an idea of what kind of town it is because it's always been the same place. This is up 155% since 1990, which I think it was 23,000 or something in 1990. Median age here is 41.

It's a little bit older, but as we'll find out, it's a lot of 45 to 50-year-old people and children. So it's a lot of middle-aged people. Rich people. Yeah, that waited until their late 30s to have kids, and now they have small children that go to this place. Got it. More females than males, but very, very few. A lot of the people in the 10 to 14 age group and a lot in the 45 to 54 that's what you can see what yeah they got a couple of bucks when the kid was

five six years old they moved out to here there you go and also it's just older people with money uh married population it's usually 50 50 here is 72 married wow so this is a place where you go with your family but yeah it's not like a lot of bachelors hanging out here go there and be all methodist yeah and now married out of this is 71 so these people stay fucking married uh very few uh even like half of the widowed population of normal half the normal divorce rate uh or divorced people i should say uh it's it's single people with no children is two percent of the population so good luck finding those people are you telling me james that if you wait your life

out a little bit make a good amount of money and then you find out that you you you've got a good career path and then you get married and then you have kids pretty crazy right the chances of being more successful weird right that's that's fucking bananas yeah well neither of us did that so that's you tell me the teen mom girls ain't working out no it's true neither we did it too both of us were like oh my fuck it i guess we're poor and i guess this is what we're doing yeah that's that's life i guess i guess it's happening now so yeah these are people who planned a little better than people like me and you uh race of this town about about 85% white, which in Tennessee, that's pretty white. 4% black, 5.49% Asian.

More Asians than the average. More than the average. Say the blacks again. Very few. 4.05. And then say the Asians. 5.49%. More Asians.

More Asians. More Asians than black people. And normally. More Asians. More Asians than black people. Yeah, normally. In Tennessee. Asians are 5%, and black is about 12.5% is the national average. So, yeah, this is a strange demographic breakdown here. 2.56% Hispanic, so very few. 17% is the normal.

65% are religious. This is Tennessee suburbs. These people go to church on Sunday. 17 and a half percent are Baptist. As we know, Baptists are the Catholics of the South. Absolutely. 12% Methodists coming in a strong second. You betcha.

Pushing those Baptists. You betcha. I feel like they're like sports agents, like fucking recruiting each other's congregants and shit. Like, we're almost up, man. Our poll numbers are looking like this it's like a political campaign they're really competing 0.7 lds they're keeping those mormons out though they're gonna keep them out not them 0.7 jewish too oh because it's it there's there's a little bit of uh it's not a fluency yeah yeah it's's not like the trailer parks. So I almost got to sing Havana Gila, but not quite.

We were so close. At 1%, Havana Gila comes out. It just does. 0.1% Muslim. 26% voted Democrat in the last election. 73% Republican. So this is a southern city suburb, affluent suburb. This is definitely a lot of Republican signs on the lawn, I would say here.

Unemployment rates, 4.2%, which is lower than the national average. Household income, median household income. Normally, the national average for this is $53,482. Here, it is $138,395. Median. Median. Wow. So this place is, wow.

I mean, every group under $100,000, all of those well below average. My Christ. 33% make over $200,000 a year. It's usually 5%. That's the national average. Wow. A third of people make over $200,000 a year. It's usually 5%. That's the national average. Wow. A third of people make over $200,000. This is one of the most affluent.

I think it might be the most affluent area we've done. It is. This is insane. The jobs here are, there's actually still manufacturing jobs, but there's twice as many finance and insurance jobs as normal. You know what they manufacture? Fucking money. That's what they manufacture.

They make money, goddammit. And I think a lot of these people work in Nashville, too. The professional, scientific and technical services, there's twice as many of them. You mean own shit in Nashville. Yeah, well, yeah, they own these businesses, probably. Cost of living, normal is

100 par average. Here, cost of living is 165. And that is mainly because of the 317 in housing and cost of of living because the median home cost here is $621,800. Wow. That is the median home cost. Over half a million dollars. Over half a million.

Well over half a million dollars. That's the middle. That's some shit right there. That's crazy. Toby Heath fucking live here? Jesus. This is insane. That's so wealthy. And you there. That's crazy. So he fucking lives. This it's got it. This is insane. That's so wealthy.

And you look at the houses, too. I mean, most of the houses are, you know, 400 to 500,000 is 22, 22 percent of the houses, 750 to a million dollars. Ten percent of the houses, eight percent of the houses are a million dollars or more. It's crazy. It's just so a southern house that's over a million dollars it's gonna be beautiful fucking impressive it's gonna be gorgeous it's gonna be a big stately matter it's gonna be awesome and pillars yeah shutters yeah the shutters actually work yeah it's gonna be yeah they actually yeah we can actually shutter things the shutters here are just big pieces of wood that they stapled to the house

yeah yeah those fucking operate here they're just for show right you have to dust them off the last time you opened a window in phoenix well today it's beautiful yeah you can yeah today you can but months you go six months without opening it break a dust seal off of it to get canned air to get this pebbles and dust and shit out of the track. Christ almighty. Now, if this has all convinced you that you have put away your money and you're ready to step up and move to an affluent area, we have for you the Brentwood, Tennessee Real Estate Report. Your average two-bedroom rental here, this is pretty high. The national average for this is about $1,200 here. It is $2,520.

Twice. Twice for a two-bedroom. I found a five-bedroom, four-bath, 3,500-square-foot house here for under the average, $525,000. So that's your bargain house of the week here. I found a four-bedroom, four-bath, 5,150 square foot house. It's beautiful, too. The place was gorgeous. $935,000 for that.

And let's say, you know what? You've done excessively well, and you want to be in the upper echelon of Brentwood. I found a five-bedroom, five-bath, 8,284-square-foot house that is absolutely ridiculous. That's disgusting. It's silly. It's like somebody who plays for the Titans has to live here. It's silly.

8,000 square feet. Over $8,000. $2,150,000. I want to see that. It's a wild house. If you come to a live show, you get to see all these houses which is fun uh inside and everything inside everything uh things to do uh they have the annual brentwood arts festival which is a day of free music art and dance which sounds terrible um also i i want to see you participate in fucking all of that dance no fuck you fuck you i want to dance what am i gonna dance

for there are i've never felt something enough to dance to it without forcing myself to be silly only time i've ever danced is as a fucking joke that's what i mean as a joke isn't this ridiculous i can't seriously dance like yeah what's up with that stupid you want to fuck me don't you know i can't do that that's ridiculous that's that's the silliest thing i've ever seen in my life i am so bad at it i just can't jesus christ even if i could i wouldn't want to it seems like a lot of work and you sweat it seems like i've said i've said it a hundred thousand times it's so much work to end up in the exact same place you started. You could walk to the other side of the city and all the motion you do.

It's like you could do yard work. There's so much you could do. Stand in one place. Clean your house. Get out of breath. And just be like, Jesus Christ. By the time you're done, you're just going. Yeah.

You're both sweating. And then you're like, now we're going to go fuck our sweaty selves. It's going to be great. Lick me where I just sweat everywhere. No, thank you. No, thank you. So for those interested in the visual arts, there's going to be an exhibit entitled Worship Matters, celebrating the integral connection between arts and worship.

Oh, worship. Worship. So this is between the arts and religion. Okay. You know, like Renaissance era shit. I thought you said war shit matters. Yeah, war shit. I'd like to watch that.

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Crime rate in this town. What we're interested in. Property crime is less than half of normal. So it's pretty much almost non-existent here. And violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and assault, the Mount Rushmore of crime, is just about half the national average. So this is an affluent, safe, leafy, kind of nice town.

And they said it's one-third the teen crime rate of normal. Really? Yeah, so the kids aren't even fucking around. Because they're afraid to go to hell. They'll send me to hell. They're afraid to get their nice cars taken away by their dads.

They're like, I will take your BMW away. He's like, I don't want to. He's making me drive this Corolla. It doesn't even have navigation. It's total bullshit. My fucking phone doesn't hook up to the Bluetooth. It sucks. It totally sucks.

Fuck you, kid. You asshole. Bastard. So let's talk about a murder, we speaking of uh of of things like that it's been dark subjects of crime let's talk about a murder and this is a this is a a weird murder because it's it's so strange i don't know about you but like well i do know about you we both grew up you know a lot about without a lot of money you know we didn't grow up in like prominent families that had i'm still there property and that's what i mean they nobody had anything it was like just whatever it was it

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A couple named Martha Ann and Jeffrey Freeman. And they live in the Brentwood area. This is around the 2004, 2005 area. Regine had been their neighbor since 2000. So for a few years, her and her husband, Regine and her husband, lived across the street from the Freemans. And occasionally, Regine would take care of the Freemans' pets if they had to go out of town or something. She'd take care of their dog and hamsters.

So, you know, whatever. That's the neighbor that you can ask to do shit, which I would never have because then I have to talk to my neighbors. Then you have to give them the key to your fucking house. Not only that, yeah, then they get to come in my house. But otherwise, I have to cultivate a relationship before that, which I'm just not willing to do. You got to ask their name to get to, here's the key to my place.

Not happening. Yeah, that's what I mean. We're going to have to talk. You have to know something about me. I can't just go over to a stranger and ask him to feed my dog. That's not going to work. Hey, and if it shits in the house, make sure to clean that up too, because we don't want it to smell.

And by the way, when you come over, well, one of them is going to push his face through your legs every goddamn time. He's huge. The 120 pound one is going to fucking stand between your legs behind you he'll come in from behind yeah and then look up at you like pet me please lift you up yeah lift you up off the ground and then the other one might bark at you she might not either way she's gonna try to depends on her day yeah it depends on how she's feeling but you're gonna have to pet her either way whether she's barking at you or not, because that's what she wants.

Now, Beverly here, Regine Beverly, she said that she had not been at the Freeman's house very often. She didn't go over there all the time. She didn't sit and have coffee with them on a Saturday afternoon or anything like that. She said they were friendly neighbors, and they would often talk in the yard. So it's that.

If one's outside, they'll go talk in the yards, and that's what they do. What you doing over there? What you doing? Oh, yeah. He's out of town. He's over here for business. This is what I mean.

This is my nightmare. This, by the way, this story is a really, really good representation of my policy of don't talk to your fucking neighbors. Because the amount of shit all of these neighbors have to go through and how many things they have to talk to in court and all this stuff. If you just never talk to these people, you knock on the door. Because you said hi. Do you know the people in that house? Martha and Jeffrey Freeman?

Nope. Never talk to them. Slam over with. Don't know him bye done fuck out of here so uh these people though they have to talk in the yard everybody's got to be so goddamn sociable and fucking talk to each other small talk i did it small and it's small talk you have nothing in common with these and you try to find the one thing that you do and then eventually you get to that point where you go i don't have i would not hang out with this person then you go now i just wasted my time and i opened the

door for this fuck to talk to me every day talk to me all the time you have to wave at me and all that shit and you don't know what you have and you have to go through lists of shit to figure out if maybe that do you like you like football no okay i had this in one house and this one guy he was like i went through like everything all i had and he's like you like nascar i'm like nope this is not gonna work like he didn't like football he didn't like baseball he didn't like basketball he didn't like like uh comedy he didn't like movies he didn't like fucking reading he didn't like anything i'm like what do you like he's like i like nascar and i like guns and i'm like okay well that's fine for

you but i it's we're probably i don't can't hang out with you i'm not gonna be i'm not gonna watch nascar and clean our guns together that's not gonna happen like i'm just this is not my thing fine if that's your thing but it's not my thing and i'm fine with what i've watched nascar and i've cleaned a gun i don't know that i want to do both of those with another man that's what i'm saying i don't want to hang out with this person and and I don't want to watch NASCAR ever with anybody. No. It's fucking terrible. It's the most boring thing I've ever seen.

I've genuinely met two people through my kids that I enjoy spending time with. Outside of that. And how many people have you met through your kids? So many. Hundreds. So many. So many. And I know I've embarrassed my children a hundred times.

Well, how much time have you wasted on those people talking to them and trying to figure out if you have anything in common and walking around on Halloween with them and their shitty kids? Let our shitty kids walk in a big group and we'll walk in a big group behind them talking about their costumes for fucking a half hour because we have nothing else to talk about. Because I hate all of you. Oh, those are nice decorations that these people have. That's very nice. When are you going to put your Christmas decorations up? I do it right after Thanksgiving. I like to wait until the middle of December.

No, this is what conversations are. And you've had that conversation. I can tell by your laugh. So many times. No, I will not do that. I won't even wave. I will ignore you. I don't want to know you.

I've got a friend that likes watching football. He likes a team that I fucking hate. And I like a team that he fucking hates. And we still hang out and enjoy games together. It's especially fun when his team plays my team. And we talk shit against each other. That's a good time. That I like.

That's fun. And then I have one friend that likes to do off-road shit with me. Outside of that, I've never met another person that my kids... went to a birthday party with my other friend with my son's other kid friend and the dad was the most fucking nerdy dork fucking he liked the rattlers the fucking who likes arena football like he was jacked about arena football he's watching it on his phone no he's like watch this and i'm like no thank you no i'm good man nope nope taking my kid and i'm going home it's not gonna happen i'm leaving yeah this is terrible this is ridiculous oh god it's fucking awful so and that's what you have to put up with when you have kids too young so wait till you're late later in life well either way these people did that and then they still have to talk in the yard

this is the problem now you just have a yard to talk in rather than standing in front of your apartment that's all it is and now you know what i'm putting that point of action because i don't talk to the fucking people in my apartment because i'm a little sketched out about people who live in apartments i live in an apartment yeah no i understand i understand well it's better because our old neighbors in the in the apartment complex we lived in they were all insane the one people all they just constantly smelled like they were constantly sweating down onions we couldn't open up our fucking patio door then there was like the the chick next door who had like three big dogs in a one-bedroom apartment

and she had this boyfriend who would look like a total dirt bag and he would walk around in his robe like he was at a resort he'd be coming back from the laundry room just in his robe with his fucking laundry basket you have to put clothes on dude you're outside this isn't a building you're outside i will in a minute they would fuck with the sliding glass door open and you would hear this awful like horrible fucking fucking like because it was they're both like sleazy so it was just kind of gross. And then they would pop outside two minutes later and want to pet your dog, and you're

like, no. I know what you've just been touching. There's semen on your hand. Don't put that on my dog. Away from me. You just wiped it off your mouth. Ugh, goddamn. Get the fuck out of here.

So that's why you don't talk to your neighbors. That's great. So I don't know. That's why you don't talk to your neighbors. So that's great. This this regime, Beverly. She also said that she worked for Martha Freeman at home because the Freemans have a business of their own. And she would do data input in the computer sometimes like from home for them as like just, you know, she'd make a couple extra bucks and they needed some clerical work done, some data entry.

So no big deal here for apparently for regime. She was just, you know, just something to do and it helps them out and whatever gives her something to do. So in 2003 and 2004 in that area here, their business, their business was called Resifax. It's a company that did background checks for apartments and employers uh you know whatever that's it seems like a pretty standard business uh they had grown though here to uh to the business really grew and so they that's when they moved to brentwood and became kind of had like this beautiful home and all that and uh at this point here uh uh jeffrey left his other job to run resifax full-time so he had like a high-paying career but this was too big to background checks are paying yeah they're paying

and this was basically it was to a point where it was either you know stay where we are and do the company on the side or take a shot at growing big and you know having this be our life so they do that uh another one here uh people who know these people, who know Martha Ann and Jeffrey Freeman, a guy named Tony Cantrell. He says that in 2001 and 2002, he helped Jeffrey Freeman by, or I'm sorry, he helped Martha Ann Freeman by hanging out with her elderly mother.

He called it babysitting her just because, well, I mean, she was, I guess, couldn't take care of herself. I so he's right it's just will you sit with my mother while we go out of town his mom's sitting dude if she goes to the back door that means she wants to go out like it's very strange but i get it though if someone can't can't uh you know take care of themselves uh now this guy this tony cantrell said that he didn't know uh he he didn't know if Freeman ever even checked his background at all. He said because he has a conviction for possession with intent to distribute more than five grams of cocaine from 1996. So he's got. He's not dangerous.

No, but he's got he's got a drug charge from six years earlier. So he said, I don't even know if the guy checked my background or if he just let me work or if he didn't care about my background. Now, Cantrell does kind of like odd jobs for them. Eventually, he learns about their their business, Resifax, once they've kind of made it their main business and found out that they needed help. So this Tony Cantrell suggested his wife, cantrell uh for someone to work in the office and uh and the freemans hired her on at res effects okay so this cantrell doubling his

income he's double yeah he's trying to yeah he's pushed his wife into a job there i pushed it got her a job there and then he does odd jobs for them also uh he says that uh uh she uh tara cantrell and he have three children together, the Cantrells, I guess she started working for them in September 2002 at Resifax. And that was the point where at first it was a home business. They just did it out of their office at home. And then they actually had to go get an office in Brentwood, which is good for them. So they said the the move.

That's when they moved to Brentwood in 2003 ish. That's when Jeffrey quit his job and all that and began running the company. And Martha, too, the two of them were. It's also at this point, Martha, you would think, OK, well, I mean, I don't know what's in people's heads also. But they have they've they've they have kind of the American dream here. they have kind of the American dream here. I mean, they've built up their own home business enough to the point where they can quit their jobs working for other people to make their own money, and they're making enough money to move to an affluent area. Freedom, motherfucker. And also to hire people and to fucking give people jobs,

which is fucking awesome. The more jobs, the better. So, like, that's all great, but Martha's not happy with this whole arrangement. What? She's not happy with this shit. I mean, some people, that's not their cup but Martha's not happy with this whole arrangement. What? She's not happy with this shit. I mean, some people, that's not their cup of tea. It's just not.

And she's bored. She's not happy with life. Background searches aren't exciting. It's not exciting. Her background searches. It should be. And a husband who is excited about background searches isn't her cup of tea. It's just not.

We'll find out. Martha's got other, she's got other things drawing her to places. Have you ever done a background search on anybody? Yeah. Yeah, because you did plenty of shit. Right, right. I used to be a process server. Well, I got in trouble.

Right, exactly my point. I got in trouble with a job, and they were railroading me for something that was stupid. Yeah. And so I decided to, I was like, well, who's fucking, who's my boss? I'm going to look. And I looked up their record. That's their record and found so much domestic abuse. I was like, this person tells me what to do every day and beats the shit out of their spouse. That's what I mean.

I love background searches. I don't know how this person could be bored with it when it's so exciting, especially when you find all the charges people are convicted of. Look at what we do. This is a blast. This is all I do. This is all i do is it's like a shitty background search a comedian level background search of just everything i can find in the world i love it uh so yeah it's but she is not so happy with it uh to make up for that she starts taking a whole lot of pills oh boy she gets into pills a lot uh pretty fucking heavy um that's uh that's her thing and that's going to come up a lot here in this story how old is she they're in their early i think he's 44 she's 40 something like that so i mean they're not they're you know they're the age

of what exactly fit into the demographic exactly so she's kind of into that now by september of 2004 uh right now uh regine beverly said starting in september 2004 regine's neighbor she noticed that martha's car was no longer at the house anymore she said for several months she didn't see her uh this is from september 2004 until super bowl sunday of january in 2005 which is in late jan, if you're not American. So that's a good five-month period that she didn't see her car there or see Martha there. Yeah, a whole season. Really, the beginning of this.

Maybe that's what she did. She went to follow the Titans. She stays in hotels that they're at and all that shit. Now, so she's gone there now where was martha where did martha disappear to where and where beverly regime started getting worried about her obviously well yeah she just disappeared and she talked to her in the yard and all that if you know if she was going on an extended six month whatever she probably would have brought that up at some point so it's like why where the hell did martha go uh she doesn't know if they

just have her having marital problems or who the fuck knows. Is she dead? You know, should we start searching the woods? What's going on here? We do find out Martha is staying at an extended stay hotel for about six months. That's expensive. That's expensive. And she requested she would have Tony Cantrell, the kind of odd job guy, do kind of run errands for her while she was at the hotel, including taking her to the ATM and taking her to get food and shit like that.

She'd call him up and be like, hey, come grab me. And I want to go here. She's pilled up. She's all filled up. So, yeah. And she just wanted. Yeah, he worked for them. So she would just call him up and say, come fucking drag me around.

You're my driver today. And that's that's his odd job for the day. So he would do it at that point uh which is very odd but uh there's a guy named david david bixby who's the manager at the candlewood suites which is where she was staying which i've seen those candlewood suites it's a stated one yeah they're okay that's a it's a mid mid mid to lower tier uh it's all right got a kitchenette it's got a kitchenette. It's got a kitchenette. It's just, this is what, it's one of those hotels

that's clean, but just not like right up to date. This is one of those hotels. Like 20 years ago would have been awesome. Right. And now it's like,

it's still clean, but it's just a little dingy, but who cares? There's a lot of parties in here that they cleaned up after. They cleaned up real nice. For 105 bucks a night, fuck it.

You know what I mean? All the other hotels are 200, so let's just stay here. That's kind of how we roll. I think that's where I stayed in Seattle. I think it was Sacramento. Sacramento. Sacramento.

That's what it was. Yeah, it was definitely Sacramento. You stayed there. It wasn't bad. It wasn't awful. In Sacramento Improv. Goddamn nice club. Was it an improv?

No. It was an improv. No, it wasn't. It was Punchline. No, it wasn't. Punchline. Oh, it was. It was a Punchline.

It is Punchline. Why did I say improv? I don't know. It is. It was a Punchline Sacramento. It was punchline oh it was it was a punchline when i say improv i don't know it is it was a punchline definitely uh sacramento and it was great those they were awesome so if you're in sacramento go see a comedy show it's the same it's the same place that uh that pablo francisco had his meltdown yes it is google that one on youtube and enjoy yourself wow that's a good one you want to see a man fall apart in front of a room full of people that is right now that's sad man because like we we both know Pablo and met him multiple times great dude you better get his shit under

control real nice guy I don't want him to croak so get it together and figure it out you're gonna die in a hotel room and that's not what we want like I've said that too that's that's that's the last way of John Panette I don't want to die in a hotel room that's the way I don't want to go out and that's that's the way comedians and wrestlers die. And he's going to go out that way. And it's sad. And I don't want to see that. So this David Bixby, the manager at the Candlewood Suites, which is a highly prestigious position, he says. He's very just depressed about his life.

When his employees come in, they salute him in the morning. Yeah. Captain. No, he comes to work very sad and makes sure the coffee's fresh in the lobby. Short-sleeve buttoned-down with a tie. Yeah, short-sleeve polo shirt, and he's like, this is what my life is now. Well, I guess it's indoors, so that's good. When it's hot out, this is okay.

When it's cold out, it's good. When the AC goes down in the lobby. Not my problem. I call maintenance. Okay, when it's cold out, it's good. When the AC goes down in the lobby. Not my problem. I call maintenance.

This Bixby said that Freeman, Martha Ann Freeman, checked in October 12, 2004, and checked out January 29, 2005. That's a long time. That's a long, that's an extended stay right there. That's exactly what she used that thing to its utmost. Her DNA is everywhere. Well, wait till you hear what happened here. This Bixby stated that. That's my goal. Real quickly.

When I stay in a hotel, my goal is to leave as little trace of me there as possible. Like if there's a big bed and I'm there alone, half that bed is pristine when I leave. Yeah, me too. It's beautiful. I make a very small footprint i really do there's like some water bottles that i put in the garbage can and like maybe a pizza box and i'll leave wherever but some water droplets in the in the tub but that's about yeah yeah that's it outside of that i clean up after myself i feel weird i'm in and out of this bitch like i don't tip well i'll make a mess yeah like if i'm gonna be there a couple of days

i'll make a goddamn mess but if i'm staying'm going to be there a couple of days, I'll make a goddamn mess. But if I'm staying just one night, you'll barely notice I was there. Yeah, you'll be like, wow, he must have slept on top of the covers there.

Did he sleep in a chair? One towel? He didn't even wash his face. Wow, so weird. Well, Bixby, he finds out, well, finds out, he just knows

because he's the manager that Martha Ann is not staying in this room alone. Okay. She is also there with a man named Rafael De Jesus Roca Perez. Oh. Who's staying with her the entire time.

Latin lover. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. He is a Mexican immigrant. And he's beautiful. He's from Mexico. He's not. No?

He's not, no. Say that name again. It's four names, James. Rafael De Jesus Roca Perez. Oh, Jesus. It's beautiful. Yeah. He is not the most handsome man I've ever seen in my life. he's not no say that name again it's four names james rafael de jesus roca perez oh jesus it's beautiful uh he is not the most handsome man i've ever seen in my life in the pictures no really not that handsome she chose that over being in an affluent life with owning a business she kind of chose both if we're if we're getting honest here let's keep going she's got well i mean she's

living in an extended stay and she's got money and she's doing fine she She's got a guy, a servant who drives her around and all this shit. And she's got some dude she's keeping in the hotel room. She's kind of living multiple different lives here, straddling two different worlds and a Mexican guy. Yeah. She's straddling a lot of things right now. So she's staying there. Now, this David Bixby also said on occasion he saw Jeffrey Freeman come by as well, the husband. He came by and asked to speak with Martha, and Bixby said that he saw them meet and talk in the lobby, not in the room where the guy was.

She came down to the lobby of the Candlewood to talk to her husband about shit, which is interesting here. Life is on the skids. Shit's getting really weird and kind of sleazy and twisty here. You can't see the end of this tunnel. No. It's foggy out. And right now, you have no idea what's happening in the story. It's not like a clear-cut thing of what's going on.

You're like, what's happening? Who's plotting against who? Is it going to be jealousy? Is it going to be... What are we after here? Is she going to him to a candle candlewood chair and make him yeah watch is he is he gonna be jealous and who knows what happens here so you never know stay tuned so uh you're gonna cuckold him oh maybe maybe well we'll find out what she's into because it's she's wow uh now scotty dodd who's a guy who's the housekeeping supervisor at the Candlewood Suites.

Scotty Dodd. Scotty Dodd. D.O.D.D. He he's he's overseeing everything here. He's making sure he's the DNA cleanup guy. He's making sure that all with the Q-tips, all the jizz is out of the room. All visible jizz is out of the room. No jizz on my watch.

That's his. That's it's got like a bumper sticker on his little cart you know the housekeeping cart i think that's why i feel so bad for those ladies because it's all jizz that's all they're cleaning a hotel room is built for that that's it people go there people have sex in it people they're alone or it's disgusting it's absolutely disgusting there's not a surface that's touchable in a hotel yeah there doesn't have to be two people in there for fucking to be happening no No. It's happening. I try to stay on the hard surfaces that you can see clean.

Try to avoid the porous ones. Try to avoid all porous surfaces. James's hotel tips. Hotel tips from small town murder. Avoid all porous surfaces and bring your own toilet paper absolutely thank you and thank you barbara thank you we have so much toilet paper a shitload of toilet paper not a whole tour's worth of toilet paper every city will have its own role it's gonna have a new yeah we're gonna get like we're gonna feel all just like a new role if there's

some left just toss it up in the air pow walk. Put that back on the roll and be like, next person stays in this room. You are welcome. Just TP the room. All over the room. Just be like, yeah. Walk out. You got to leave a good tip if you're going to do that. Barbara Pagani.

Yeah. You got to leave like a $30 tip if you're going to TP the room. That's going to be a huge pain in the ass to clean up. That's amazing. I don't want to fuck up the housekeeper's day. I feel bad but uh so uh now this guy said that he uh he obviously was in the room a lot and knew of the housekeepers know what's happening in a hotel room if nobody else does i feel like that's why they hire ones that don't speak english most

of the time so they won't tell on people in english for what's happening. The only people that are going to tell can't communicate to everyone. I don't speak Guatemalan. I don't speak watermelon. I don't speak none of that, what you're saying. Clarify what you just said, please. That was a, ladies and gentlemen, Andrew Jackson. Please don't.

The word Guatemalan. You can't say, but yeah, I know, but you can't. With an accent, it sounds like watermelon. Watermelon, yeah, I know, but you can't say it with an accent. It sounds like watermelon. Watermelon. Yeah, it sounds like, yeah, it does actually. But when you, nevermind, you know what I'm talking about. You can't say that and think that, and think that somebody's not going to fucking take

that out of context. And if you did, go fuck your mother. Cause that's ridiculous. Obviously it was based on how a word sounds in Jimmy's silly mind, not fucking anything else. So anyway, clarify that. I like these. It's good shit. Clarify.

So this guy said that Rocha Perez was present every time he, quote, serviced Freeman's room, which sounds really sexual. Also, I was servicing her room. I was servicing while he was service. So, yeah, this he said that at one point, too. And this is interesting. Scotty Dodd says that Freeman was, quote, overly friendly a little too often with him. And we'll find out kind of maybe what she's after in a few minutes here. An extra towel. Well, maybe not an extra something or two, but not a towel.

towel or two well maybe not an extra something or two but not a towel uh stated that yeah she was like overly friendly and he said that he kept her dist his distance from her and felt uncomfortable around her uh that friendly which is yeah like he was like oh she's gonna grab my dick any minute now i should probably just clean this and you know if i see her slip out to go get something neat maybe that's the time i clean the room type of thing here uh now a guy named john hollins who's an attorney in nashville he's a divorce attorney in nashville he says that he met with jeffrey on december 29th 2004 which is exactly a month before she checks out of the hotel uh to discuss to discuss the legal rights associated with divorce as far as the business and the property and all that,

and what she's going to be. How bad am I going to take it in the fucking ass over this? What the fuck is she entitled to? Yeah, what's going to happen to me here? This Hollins, the attorney, gave Jeffrey some initial advice on the whole thing, but then Jeffrey never returned. So we don't know if he went and visited other attorneys, because that's, you know, if you're in a high-dollar divorce.

Additional advice is always reconcile if you can. Yeah, try not to get divorced if you can. Or if you do get divorced, here's what my retainer is and all this, you need to pay me. Give me money, and then I'll tell you how bad you're going to get robbed. Or make it work. I'm going to rob you first. Or make it work.

So either way, someone's robbing you. Maybe two people. We'll find out. Somebody will rob you the rest of your life, or I'll just rob you for a couple of years yeah you never know but we'll see how long it drags on you never know you never know she's a pain in the ass yeah i could rob you for a while all the time so uh she never goes back jeffrey freeman to this lawyer now regine beverly says that uh she and martha were, but they didn't socialize weekly or anything like that. Regine does recall that Freeman's mother, Martha's mother, Margaret Cockrell is her name.

C-O-C-K-R-I-L-L. Cockrell, which is too close to cock roll, which sounds awful. That sounds like terrible sushi. I'll have the cock roll. What is that cock roll? What's that have in it? Oh, there's tuna. One letter away. That sounds like terrible sushi. I'll have the... Can I have your cock roll? What is that cock roll? What's that have in it? Oh, there's tuna. Okay, yeah.

Tuna and foreskin? I like spicy tuna. Oh, foreskin around the tuna. Oh, I see. You fry the foreskin and it goes around the raw tuna. That's it. Then you leave a little eel sauce on it? Instead of the seaweed.

Oh, the eel sauce is the key. It makes it rich and tasty at that, but I like the sweetness that comes off of it. That foreskin, it needs a sweetness. It needs a balance. As long as it's raw, it's chewy the sweetness that comes off of it. That foreskin, it needs a sweetness. It needs a balance. As long as it's raw, it's chewy. Well, that's the thing. Yeah, well, it's going to be fried. You want a crisp foreskin, Jimmy.

What are you talking about? Tempura-style foreskin? That sounds great. I think that's what you're looking for. Yeah, obviously, it's tempura. Duh. What are we talking about? We're not going to pan fry it.

It's a tempura mix. You don't make it like potstickers. No, it's not like a potsticker at all. So this Beverly, that's awesome. That's disgusting. It's very disgusting. Sorry about that one. That I actually am kind of sorry about.

I'm not at all. No, I think I brought it up, so I'm not sorry. Well, here's the thing. It's not near as gross as a burned down bleach fire factory. That was gross. That really was. Spells like a burned down blood. I'm not sad about it. But you know what? I'm proud of that because that was very, really was smells like a burned down blood i'm not sad

about it but you know what i'm proud of that because that was very everybody got the picture didn't they they knew exactly what the fuck i was saying so i think that was descript as descriptive it was successful as a descriptor so as descriptive as it is disgusting as exactly it's both so uh this uh just brazing beverly said that uh mar margaret's Beverly said that Margaret Margaret Martha's mother, Margaret Cockrell, moved in with the Freemans after Beverly, after regime stopped working for the home business regime worked for their business when it was out of their home. Once they moved into the office in Brentwood, then she stopped working. Well, she just did.

The whole point was it was across the street, so she'd help out. But if they're going to have an office and employees, she doesn't need to go down there and commute. Yeah. What the fuck are you talking working. Well, she just did. The whole point was it was across the street, so she'd help out. But if they're going to have an office, an employee, she doesn't need to go down there. Commute. Yeah. What the fuck are you talking about? No, she's the. You see my house. I'm not.

Yeah, get out of here. So, yeah. So I guess Martha. Martha cared for Margaret, her mother, until her mother died. Now, this regime said that she saw Martha on Super Bowl Sunday and started to talk with her. And she or she started, you know, she talked to her on Super Bowl Sunday and she offered to start taking walks with her. She's like, you want to start taking walks because she thought she was sad.

Her mother died and all that. And she didn't know she was having problems. She was gone for a few months. So she's like, hey, let's start taking walks together in the evening. What do you say? Maybe after dinner. Yeah, she's trying to be a nice friend. Again, my nightmare.

Having a neighbor go, want to take walks after dinner? Fuck fuck no i don't want to walk with you why what are we do you have a joint are we getting away from everybody so we don't get caught yeah what's happening here what are you do you want to blow me in the woods i don't know what's going on i don't want to be here with you i'm going away so uh yeah she said uh the beverly said that they didn't take walks and she didn't see Martha much more after that. Like her attendance was spotty at the house. Also, Regine did say that two weeks after the Super Bowl, Martha explained to Regine that she was on medication. She said, yeah, I'm sorry if I'm a little out there sometimes or if, you know, I don't want to go on walks or if I seem kind of spacey.

I'm on a lot of medication and that sort of thing so spanish cock you know the spanish cock gets you high so uh regine said uh uh she saw she saw jeffrey in his yard uh jeffrey freeman in his yard on april 9th 2005 standing with martha uh she said there was nothing peculiar about the way they were acting there was no you about the way they were acting. There was no, you know, they weren't like swinging rakes and shovels at each other or anything. They were just civilly talking in the yard. Having a chat. Yeah, go inside.

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100 night free trial. Sleep like me and James. And now back to the show. April 10th, 2005. On this day, Martha goes to Walgreens at 10 0 1 p.m and has a prescription filled uh it's a prescription for hydrocodone not a girl uh yeah not a girl and uh get your itchy face well later on later on we find out that uh from the walgreens here that she's had a lot of medications purchased at this walgreens beginning in january 2005 when she came back from the hotel and ending in April of 2005.

This was Allegra, which is an antihistamine allergy thing. Alprazolam, which is an anxiety thing. They said the side effects are drowsiness, especially when taken with antidepressants or painkillers. And then Lexapro, which is an antidepressant. Lipitor, which is a cholesterol drug. Ambien, which is obviously a sleeping pill.

She's got a lot of fucking problems. Atacan, which is used to lower blood pressure. Gabapentin, which is to treat seizures. Hydrocodone, which is a painkiller, which is obviously drowsiness. Birth control patches uh uh temazepam you don't want a baby in that environment with all that other shit floating

around and temazepam temazepam which is insomnia thing and effects or which is an antidepressant and uh nitrile puritan uh purantin which is an antibiotic she's got everything that's a four month period i have not had those drugs that much shit in my body my entire life that much prescription shit seriously my entire life i haven't taken that much in four months you picked all that shit i haven't filled that many prescriptions my whole life that she did in that four month period giving her all that shit she's a serious case. That's a lot. Yeah. I mean, she's really into pills of all kinds and all sorts of shit here. Now, Hazel Freeman, who's Jeffrey's mother, she says that her son would call her once a week, usually on Sunday night around midnight Eastern time, which is 11 p.m. Central time.

The night of April 10th, she received a phone call from Martha instead of from Jeffrey. And Martha says that Jeffrey was ill and couldn't talk tonight, but he wanted Martha to call his mom and make sure she didn't worry about him. So Martha said that she gave him medication and he went to bed. He took some NyQuil and he's sleeping it off right now uh so hazel said that was fine with her and uh she said nothing was out of the ordinary nothing was weird so no worries there uh you know he's sleeping who cares so uh now uh april 11 2005 the next day uh karen neal is another neighbor She also lives across the street from the Freemans. These fucking neighbors, man.

This woman, Karen, says that she was awake at 7.45 a.m. on the morning of April 11th. And as she was getting ready for work, she saw Martha, who appeared to be alone, standing on her front porch smoking a cigarette. Just standing out there. porch smoking a cigarette uh just standing out there this karen neal says that uh martha was very still and quote rather unusual and neil was concerned she might need help she said she was worried about her like she was just standing out there smoking it's 7 45 in the morning who the fuck's happy at that time well i mean if you just woke up and you went outside to smoke a cigarette you're gonna be in like this zombie zone out staring into the woods pondering your existence you know do i i'm gonna do this shit again yeah can i fake an illness today and not do you know what i mean like so i don't know whatever

also she takes nosy neighbor fucking pills and that's the other thing she's pilled out like to the max so she's standing very still if you took half that shit that she just prescribed, you'd be standing very still also. She just threw that fistful down her gullet ten minutes ago. I'm surprised she was standing. That part is pretty impressive, if I'm being honest with you. Just sitting in a chair catatonically. She was like standing, you know, was ambulatory and smoking. That's pretty.

She had the dexterity to light a cigarette. Right. So she's doing great right away she's she's handling her shit pretty well she's fucking yeah she handles it man so uh tara cantrell who has tony cantrell's wife from before who works at the company at res effects uh she worked there for three years uh she wasn't there she said martha uh martha wasn't at the business every day she wasn't there all the time she wasn't at the business every day. She wasn't there all the time.

She was only there. Yeah, she's a little, she's busy filling prescriptions. But Jeffrey was always there. He was a workaholic and he was always there. She said that, you know, he was just always there. And she talks about, it's funny too, her husband met them. He wasn't even doing like business stuff. He was like cleaning gutters and shit, like cleaning their windows and gutters and then was like, hire my wife.

She knows how to type. That's nice. And so that was good anyway. So she says Jeffrey usually came into work around 8 a.m. And he was there after she left at five. So he'd be there early and there late. Jeffrey, he came to work about eight o'clock and he usually left work at six or seven i can't yeah he worked hard if they said he never called in sick ever never didn't come in and he worked on weekends a lot too so he was just working his ass he had a

new business that was his whole life now gotta build it and he's got a as we know brentwood's expensive he's got a big fat fucking mortgage that's depending wholly on this business. And we understand what it's like to have a lot depending on a fucking business that you're running, because this is a business that we're running. It's tough stuff. And it's hard. And you do worry. So now Tara Cantrell says she received a phone call from Martha between 8 o'clock and 8.30 a.m. on April 11th. So this is 15 minutes after she was seen smoking a cigarette, looking a little weird out there.

Now she's making phone calls. Now she's making phone calls. She's doing great. She's doing great. She's dialing numbers. She's talking. She's walking. She's talking.

She's really putting it together. She's smoking. She's putting it together. Good for her. It's a good start. It's a good start to your day. Martha told Cantrell that Jeffrey would not be at work that day because he's sick. She said he's still sick, and she said that Freeman was fine.

She sounded totally normal on the phone. She's calling in for him. She's calling in for him. That's how sick he is. Like with the mother. Yeah, he's not going to be there. He's sick. So, you know, carry on without him.

Tara also says, Cantrell, says she worked the morning of April 11th. And then when she and like I said, she received that call. She's ill. She's not not going to be in that day. Now, next thing you know, a little bit later on, Regine Beverly is in her house chilling, doing her thing, doing whatever. And all of a sudden there is a pounding on her door. A fast, hard pounding. Like the cops are there or something. She's like, what the shit is going on?

I don't think that happens. I think even solicitors are polite in this neighborhood. You know, they come just... Couple raps? Yeah, just... One of those. A little something happy. Hey, come on to the door.

Maybe somebody will knock back. Yeah. That little game. And I bet these houses have doorbells, too. So for someone to come just pounding on the door is like a, whoa, what the fuck's going on? Or one of those big knock back. Yeah. That little game. And I bet these houses have doorbells, too. So for someone who comes pounding on the door is like, well, what the fuck's going on? Or one of those big knockers. Yeah. Some shit like that.

They probably do. So Regine Beverly says that Martha was at the door pounding on it. She said Regine said that Martha was shaking and panicking and very scared when she first entered the house. She was freaking out, you know, having a meltdown here. Regine said that she saw nothing to indicate. She didn't have ropes hanging off her. She didn't just escape from a basement or anything like that.

She's clothed. She seemed normal in that regard, except for her actions and whatever. She said it appeared that something had just happened because she was disheveled and panicked, but she wasn't like, uh, yeah, she wasn't like, you know, with like a shackle behind her or anything like that. Like that woman who rang that doorbell, uh, the one most recently, the one most recently ring doorbell, by the way, goddamn ring doorbells. They are awesome.

And they even, that was an incredible story for that. Yeah. That, that, that woman with the handcuff on, by the way, they just sent her back to the family and it was just like a they called it a domestic dispute well later on arrested right no no the guy killed himself oh he did in the house yeah she escaped and the guy killed himself oh okay yeah he like went nuts that night and i guess he had been i guess they updated that later yeah yeah later on they talked to her she finally talked he ended up killing himself and she was like in counseling now oh back in the family and shit was crazy because he was like horrible and was like tying her up and fuck he was like tying her up and raping her and holding her hostage and shit all the time yeah it was

fucking it was a black snake moan it was a fucked up story man jesus it was as fucked up as creepy as that picture was of her with the restraints which made me just go oh god somebody help that i just felt so bad t-shirt and nothing else. No, help her. Somebody open your fucking door. Yeah, help her, help her. I was, God, Jesus, where is this woman? That was good to get closure on that story when I read the thing. I was like, oh, thank fuck, Jesus. Okay, she's all right at least.

Not all right, but she's not dead. She's not going to be all right for a long time. Nobody left her in a ditch. Dead is what I'm saying, which is how a lot of that shit ends. Which might be a better relief. Jesus, who know it depends on your psyche it depends on the the abuse that you take that's horrible the torture can can either yeah you just want to die or just fucking you get through it but man that's tough stuff that's tough stuff so uh martha comes into regine beverly's house uh she says beverly says that martha did not look her in the eye uh she just marches in the house looking panicked and

disheveled and everything else and won't look beverly in the eye and just says quote a man killed my husband so a man killed my husband how do you know that pretty fucking vague at that point uh so regine beverly, did you call 911? That's a good question. Good question right away. And Martha said no. Why? Not great.

So I mean, Regine's like, well, maybe that's why she ran over here. So Regine Beverly picks up the phone and dials 911. Beverly talks to the operator, and she said that Martha just stood there. Just stood there while she talked to the operator. She said the operator asked Beverly a few questions, and then regine handed the phone to martha and martha did not respond to the operator's questions she just stood there just listening with listening so regine was like okay and like gently took the phone back like okay i guess i'll take that back uh this is getting fucking weird so uh uh she says that uh that uh uh martha was somewhat stern

and then was not crying after a while like she wasn't crying she didn't come in teary-eyed like oh my god she came in just like shaky and like hysterical yeah not hysterical shaky but and like you know like something bad just happened it was like a man killed my husband but was like very like kind of like uh it kind of like on deadwood when the guy comes in the guy comes in and says a family just got butchered out there by them indians and they don't believe him and uh they make him go out with him too and then the girl says that anyway the guy ended up was he was part of a robbery party of this family and uh while bill hickok shot him in the head i should watch that and you should totally watch

it he shot him right in the fucking head in the street. That one I'm definitely going to watch. It's goddamn amazing. So it's like if Tombstone was better. It's what it's like. How is that possible? I'll have to find out. There's no Al Swearengin in Tombstone. He's a better character than Doc Holliday.

You think so? He's amazing. I don't know if I have to watch it. Amazing. He's incredible. So anyway. I don't know, man. That Doc Holliday is so likable. He's cool. He's so lik to watch it. Amazing. He's incredible. So anyway. I don't know, man. That Doug Holiday is so likable.

He's cool. He's so likable. Wait till you see Al. Al Swearengin, as horrible of a person as he is, he's very, very like, he's a very Omar-esque character in that way. Holiday's been played by so many characters. And Val Kilmer only did it once. Yeah.

It's fucking amazing. He gave him some panache. He gave him some personality. Yeah, yeah may gave him so good panache gave him some personality yeah yeah so good so beverly states that freeman was never martha was never crying at all beverly said i never even like offered her tissues so i know she wasn't crying she said she simply sat down on her steps on the you know stairs in her house and just sat there while she while beverly talked to 911 and that's it now uh so she was, the operator would ask Regine questions. Regine would ask Martha the questions, and they'd do this little telephone chain game here.

Because she can't say those words into a receiver. Yeah, she can't do it, apparently. Now, Martha says that she knew the man who killed her husband, and that her husband had, that i guess her husband had found him she says she goes i know the man who killed my husband my husband found him now we'll find out about found him in a minute here now uh beverly tells tells the operator here that martha didn't know if the man was still inside her house either she said is the man still inside your is there still a murderer in your house good question that's a question that needs to be answered and she says i don't know.

It's like, well, that's something you should ascertain probably. So Karen Kirby here, who's another neighbor in this, these people are all looking out the windows at all times. She says that around 3.30 or 3.45 p.m. she saw a Hispanic man run through her neighborhood, which is an odd thing in this neighborhood. Not a lot of Hispanic men running through the neighborhood here without a weed whacker in their hand. I feel like she's like, is he? Oh, she tried to flag him down to see if he'll trim her bushes probably or something. I have had to hold up.

Wait, sir. Wait, just waving cash. It's like I live down the street. You fucking asshole. I own the house. Three houses down now. But this guy was an unrecognized guy running through the neighborhood uh he was running from a wooded area and into a

house uh under construction okay so it was a house being built uh she said that he had uh shoulder length hair and was wearing shorts down to his knees had a maroon t-shirt and uh later on when asked when showed pictures she identified him as Roca Perez, the guy from the Candlewood Suite hotel room. Right. Right. So she saw him run into the house. And as she saw him run into the house, she saw police cars drive up the street where the Freemans live. Yeah.

So this was all happening in the same time. Fluid. Same time. Yeah. She sees Hispanic man run by, go into a house under construction. Then she looks over police cars, pull up in front of the Freeman's house. this period of time, but she wasn't staring at the house either. She was on the phone. She's trying to. She's got a weird lady there.

Yeah, she's trying to deal with a fucking story. Pilled out woman with my husband found him. And I know the guy who killed him and all this weird shit here. So back at the Freeman residence, which is I'm very curious about here. What the fuck's happening here? An officer, Joseph High, is there. He said he's the first police officer at the scene. He waited for other cops to come in.

And when they did, they went in and searched the residence. Obviously, they find Jeffrey. He has no signs of life. He is dead as can be. He's on the master bathroom floor inside of a sleeping bag okay which is an you're snoozing by the toilet i've never pulled up a sleeping bag into my bathroom not ever that's like some shit you do if you're sharing a motel room with six other guys you're like i'll just take a sleeping bag and go in the bathroom in the tub fuck it it's fine it'll

be my own private area i don't care i wouldn't even take it in there to clean it if a sleeping bag's dirty you throw that shit away yeah fuck it i'll buy a new one fuck it this i've had it for 20 years it sat in the garage for i've used it twice it's got more dirt on it from my garage than it does from the forest floor yeah i'm throwing this away this is terrible there's mice living in it it's it's turning into a fucking sleeping bag so long that I took it camping with me in sixth grade. And it disintegrated? Somebody tried to do one of those shaving cream tricks on me where I fell asleep first.

And they put shaving cream on my hand, tickled my nose. It didn't work. I just rubbed shaving cream all over my sleeping bag. I woke up in the morning. There's shaving cream fucking everywhere. That shaving cream was still on that sleeping bag until I threw it away when I was 25 years old. That's amazing. See, that's what happens.

15 years later. Lazy as fuck. Sleeping bags are not something that you pick up all the time. Let's get the sleeping bag cleaned. I've never said that. I've never said I've got to drop them. I've got to drop the sleeping bag off at the cleaners and then. The cleaners is my fucking trash can and then I go to Target and buy a fucking new one.

Yeah, fine. It's a sleeping bag. It's going to get thrown out anyway. I go to Target and buy a fucking new one. Yeah, fine. It's a sleeping bag. It's going to get thrown out anyway. Just going to get shaving cream on all over it. Or I'm going to use it to bury a body because that's the only other thing you use them for. Or just throw a body on the master bathroom floor, apparently, and put one in there. This is the second or third time that a body's been put in a sleeping bag. In a sleeping bag.

It's a popular place to put bodies. It's very strange. It's odd. A guy named brian hampton a firefighter he testified that his fire company were called to respond to the freeman residence in a response to a quote potentially expired person which is a very fucking sweet way to say dead as shit odd way to play we have a potentially expired person maybe dead guy maybe possible dead we're not sure yet.

He said when they arrived, Martha came from the house across the street from Regine Beverly's house. She appeared to be crying and hysterical and did not make it known that she was a resident in the house, is what the fireman says. Some woman just burst out of the house from across the street and runs up crying and all hysterical. And they're like, I don't know who the fuck you are. Are you just a neighbor? Do you live here lady take it easy somebody inside might be expired yeah we got a potentially expired situation here from the inside

have to throw the milk out calm down yeah it's crazy we might have to throw the milk out so uh he said uh uh this guy started questioning her about basic information who are you do you live here shit like that. He asked her when the incident occurred, and she nodded yes, which is not an answer to when or what he considered to be a yes. So then he said, okay. So then he started naming time frames to get like, tell me when I'm close. It's literally like in the well. Is Timmy in the well?

Like she's going to Keep barking, lady. Super weird. That's the pilled up human version of a dog. I guess he said 20 or 30 minutes. And that's what she nodded to again. So he's like, OK, 20 or 30 minutes. Good girl. And then she ran off.

22 minutes. 22 minutes. And then he threw a stick and she ran off and shoot it for like a half hour. So it was pretty easy. And then he threw a stick and she ran off and shoot it for like a half hour. So it was pretty easy. So now he also said in describing her, he said that she was excited, agitated and crying, flailing about with her hands and that sort of thing. She appeared to be upset and was in a highly excitable state.

He then said an hour later she was totally calm, which if you have all those drugs, you're going to take some and be pretty calm an hour later, I would say. Now, this firefighter, Hampton, he said when he entered the house with the medical personnel, he found the body, found Jeffrey there. He had water dripping off his body, but he said lividity had set up. The victim appeared to have been there for a long time. This wasn't a fresh body. Is that rigor mortis? Lvidity is how the blood settles oh god that's how the blood settles in your thing nasty bruise on his back yeah he said that rigor had already begun so that's you know like an 11 i think 11 12 hour process to that uh which takes a certain number of hours it depends on the temperature and a million other fucking factors uh he the fruit flies. Yeah. Well, that's how I'll add to you later on.

Well, that's why it's hard to target time of death because conditions are all different. So you have to factor in. In a controlled environment like an air-conditioned home. Yeah. Who knows? That's what I mean. So he described the body as laying in a sleep, a partially zipped sleeping bag. Also, a little detail, there was a plastic bag over Jeffrey's head,

which, that's not good. I've never done that to myself. And he was all wet? All wet, water dripping off his body in a partially zipped sleeping bag with a plastic bag over his head that was tied or taped, the fireman said. That is a fascinating suicide.

That's a weird, yeah, that's, I don't know if, wow, that's crazy. That's some uh autoerotic shit there but it's not obviously here the plastic bag over the head might be a bit much taped that's a dead giveaway this is a murder yeah the tapedness of that and the fact that you're part yeah so uh hampton said he didn't notice any blood and uh he obviously noticed he he he determined pretty quickly pretty quickly that Jeffrey was dead and not in any position to be revived. He was deaf. And the potential went off the expired person thing. We can go ahead and knock potential off our pep there.

Our description of the individual. Do you think they call him a pep? Potentially expired person. We got a pep at 422 West Elm Street. I bet they do. You know bet they do that's why you know they fuck acronyms are everywhere in every form they're not going to say potentially expired person if you can just say pep so uh a sergeant danny collins with the metropolitan police department he said that he was told to drive you know up to the house to begin the investigation

he said that uh that kirby lady that we talked about right kirby's husband flagged him down and said we saw a hispanic man run by while you guys were pulling up so might be a connection who knows and run into that uh that house that's under construction so he told the police that so uh kirby and another officer uh go to this residence that's under construction at about 6 2020 p.m. Does Kirby know there's a dead man in a house and we're looking for a murderer? They don't know what's going on. They just see a bunch of ambulances and cop cars and a guy ran by and hid in a house under construction.

So they just flagged down a cop and go, don't know if you want to know about this. And there might be a murderer hanging out in a house over there. But I'm not going with the cop. Look, I there's i saw a man run yeah oh he didn't go with the cop he just pointed he went in that house under construction the cop went with another cop got it he went and grabbed another cop and went inside you're not gonna take you come with me sir sure no problem do you have a gun by any chance strap up sir we're going in i don't the other side i don't think so grab your flip-flops, sir. Come with me. Come with me. Why don't you trail me? Tell you what, you go in first. Announce our presence. Cover me.

Cover me. Announce our, kick the door and scream, I have a cop with me. Yeah. No, when they get inside this house, there's two people in the main area of this house. There's two people there, and they were doing construction inspection. They were inspecting joint things and foundational shit and stuff like that, and they told the cops that showed up, hey, by the way, we hear something upstairs. We're not going to go up and investigate it, But by the way, you might want to do that. So the cops go upstairs. They clear those two idiots out of the house first.

They go upstairs and they find Roca Perez and the attic rafters hanging out all perched up there trying to hide. Trying to be a rafter. Yeah. Very silent. Trying to be a bat. Just standing there. Just going, creak. Yeah.

Oh, shit, man. Jesus Christ. I'm a creaky old house. Creak. I'm settling. Don't worry, he farts and says, don't worry, I'm just settling. He's got nervous gas.

It all is. I'm settling. The house is settling. And it speaks Spanish. I don't know how to say the house is settling in Spanish. Which is... El house-o? house is settling and it speaks Spanish. I don't know how to say the house is settling in Spanish, which is, uh, El, El,

El, El, El, El, El, El, El, El,

El, El, El, El, El, El, El, El,

El, El, El, El, El, El, El, El,

El, El, El, El, El, El, El, El,

El, El, El, El, El, El, El, El,

El, El, El, El, El, El, El, El,

El, El, El, El, El, El, El, El,

El, El, El, El, El, El, El, El,

El, El, El, El, El, El, El, go away go away cops the house is farting so uh it needs its privacy so uh obviously other cops come up to kind of surround the perimeter to make sure that when other cops go in nobody jumps out a fucking window and runs the opposite way uh so these cops outside hear them inside the police

officers inside yelling in both spanish and english to show me your hands and every language they can muster. A mano, a mano. Yeah, just doing that shit. And so they end up going up and helping with the arrest because they all have to jump in on it. I'll put my knee in a shoulder blade and you put your knee in his calf and then you put your knee in his head. Over and over again. If we get nine knees on him, we should be able to handle the situation i feel like so they get him into the patrol car and all that kind of shit uh now a detective comes

into this detective corcoran he says that when roca perez was found he was wearing a t-shirt that said boom booms boxing school sluggers for chance not chumps in east st louis missouri and they find this because they trace this shirt back to where it was bought. We'll talk about this in a second. Let's talk about what happened to Jeffrey first because that was an interesting way to be found. And it doesn't seem like a good way to go, I would say. Now, the medical examiner, he performs the autopsy on April 12th. Jeffrey was 5'7", 231 pounds.

That's a heavy boy. That's a hefty guy. That's a big fella there because that's about your size. That's my size. That's about 60 pounds. That's right. That's a good, that's a formidable human there. They said that he found scrapes on Jeffrey's head, blanching of the skin around the neck,

on Jeffrey's head, blanching of the skin around the neck, ligature marks around the wrists and a black eye and bruising and scrapes inside the mouth. What? Also, he had multiple hemorrhages in his scalp, blunt force trauma to the head and bruises on the front of the left shoulder and chest. He says, based on the injuries, this is a Dr. Thomas Deering, he determines the cause of death to be strangulation, either from a ligature or hands, and the injuries to the head and face were not sufficient to cause death, but they may have caused him to lose consciousness enough to be more easily strangled at that point.

He said it would take, only take, you know, it doesn't take long for a person to lose consciousness by strangulation but it takes several minutes to kill someone so we've talked about a hundred times you see in like a tv show they strangle someone for 20 seconds and then they kind of they lose consciousness and then they stop and they're like did that okay good that was tough yeah that guy's not dead he's gonna come to in like four minutes and then tell the cops you tried to strangle him. So that's how that works. Exactly. Back to work. Yeah. So he also says that Jeffrey was found in wet clothes, but there was nothing specific to say he was drowned, although it was theoretically possible that he could have been drowned to any blood present. What he said would likely have come from the laceration on his lip.

He had a like a busted lip. He got hit in the mouth. So he's been through a hell of a fight sounds like a huge sounds like a rough fucking night man uh now he also uh identified uh they had all these autopsy photos that will come up later because they're showing a trial uh the ligature marks and the bruising around the neck and wrists were obviously big points of uh you know something you want to check out uh bruising and bruising and bl were obviously big points of, you know, something you want to check out. Bruising and blanch marks and everything, they want to get those all to be seen by the jury to see that it was kind of a brutal death. Also, the doctor states that the ligature marks on the wrist happened before death,

so he was, you know, bound before they killed him because it wasn't like a set-up situation. Bruising around the wrists, they said, mean that he was bright because that's how they know, basically. Also, the scrapes around the wrist indicate resistance against the bond, so he was fighting against it, and the bruising around the eye was severe enough to require a moderate force or a pretty good shot. Someone's got to pop you pretty good to give you this good of a black eye,

basically, is what he said, and a busted lip. So somebody punched him a few times. Took some head shots. Yeah. Well, the doctor estimates that Jeffrey received four to seven blows to the head. The blow to the eye required moderate force and could have been accomplished with a fist, he said. The orbital bones were not broken around the eye. The nose abrasion was also consistent with being hit by a fist, as was the blow to the top of the head and one to the forehead.

They said any of these could have caused him to lose consciousness. They were good and strong enough shots. The ligature marks around the neck could have been caused by a number of things, including hands or a shirt being pulled up around the neck. In theory, he said one could stop breathing and the heart would continue to beat for a few minutes.

And he said, you know, he went through a number of scenarios like that. He could have been hit, stunned, bound and then strangled, they said. And, you know, kind of came to when he was being strangled and forced against his restraints. It was also possible that the injuries could have been caused. The injuries to the head could have been caused after death. What a terrible way to die. No, horrible own home in your own home uh third this is another theory that he has the victim here uh jeffrey uh could have been held underwater by the neck he said uh but the doctor said that scenario was theoretically possible. It wasn't very plausible because the wrist mark indicates he was still alive.

And if you want to drown someone, you would basically, it would likely wait until the heart stops or beats so slowly that it's ineffective at that point. So that's the type of thing here. He said basically the doctor said there's countless scenarios that could explain this shit. Basically, bottom line is he got beat, bound and strangled in the end. So it doesn't fucking matter. He also says that he had a large blanch mark on his abdomen from lying face down. So the lividity had set in.

That's where the blood was. He also said that the victim had been dead for, quote, at least a number of hours when he was found at four o'clock. He estimated that he died anywhere from the evening of April 10th to the morning of April 11th. So he could have could have been there anywhere. He said eight to 16 hours anywhere in there, plus or minus several hours, he said. So who knows? More specific time, he said that 10 p.m. on April 10th to 2 a.m on april 11th was probably the best scenario the best uh he could do but either way the night before and right and and after she was

seen getting a bunch of pills from walgreens but before she was standing on the patio having a cigarette getting into character yeah so jesus this whole thing is fucking crazy here uh so uh uh he said jeffrey was definitely dead for at least eight hours before he was found maybe even 10 or 12 based on rigor setting and also uh he also said that a spot on the sleeping bag that jeffrey was found in uh could be identified as blood as well as a spot near the shoulder of the t-shirt that he was wearing jeffrey uh now uh william kirby who's the uh cop here uh he he's with the identification unit he says that he was assigned to this whole thing he processed the evidence uh he had all the uh the bag and all the all the shit uh you know all around him any evidence he's the guy who processes

it processes it he also says that he discovered a white plastic trash bag in the kitchen pantry with a silver ring inside it. Okay. That's important later. A cock ring? Not a cock ring. A regular ring. Or a ring for a very small cock. One or the other.

Now, on the kitchen floor, on the kitchen floor. Tiny Spanish cock. He had to put that. Now, that's not nice, Jimmy. But I'm just saying that I'm sure there's a tiny one out there. There's somewhere. Tiny any cock. He said, we're looking for either a man with a seven and a half ring or a very small penis.

One or the other. We're looking for something. He either has this size ring finger. I'm just saying cock ring. Or a tiny, tiny cock. You said tiny when I get it. Finger ring. The first thing you think of is a ring is a cock ring

wow i know it's disgusting that is amazing first thing that comes to mind for context somebody sent me a picture of a cock ring today and it was a scorpion and it's fucking vile and terrified me it's a scorpion that goes there's that is there's a hole in the scorpion that you go through yeah and and like it's right behind his head and then the tail is bulbous it has like balls in it and it goes right up on the backside oh my god for the love of jesus what the fuck is that that i imagine it vibrates i don't know wow but it's a cock ring that also happens to be specialized piece of equipment there and i don't know why i was given that but i wasn't getting a suggestion it was not jimmy there's a new product on the market i think you'd enjoy saw this thought

of you here you go thanks mom sorry i know that's not a i love the simplicity of it and then it surprised me it's stupid as so stupid and old but that's the you every once in a while there's a reason why there's old shit like that because it's perfect it's the perfect thing to say so oh man it's not meant to be in your comedy set, you claiming that as your own, you motherfucker. No, exactly. That's what I'm saying. Don't do that. But in the moment of a conversation.

It can be funny. Like, that is fucking amazing. She can be funny. It's a silver ring not meant to be worn on a penis, to be specific. You can wear it anywhere else you want. we can wear it anywhere else you want also on the kitchen floor was a black plastic trash bag that contained a telephone cord and latex gloves oh that's an interesting find now we got that's now we got something to talk about these are things to put together uh he found upstairs in a hallway another black plastic trash bag with a white plastic trash bag inside and inside of that

bag you figure too bad i double bagged it no one's gonna find that shit i double bagged come on what are we talking about inside that he found a wet bath mat and a wet pillowcase that appeared bloody interesting the pillowcase matched the one from the master bedroom uh what he also finds is a paper sack containing six playboy penthouse and maxim magazines maxim maxim so he was going up the charts he's like well she got a bathing suit on well here's her just showing her ass and some boob and full bush there we go that's what i'm talking about thank you penthouse so maxim used to be so great when i was young when i was like 18 yeah that magazine was amazing pre high speed internet you're talking about?

No, it wasn't for the women. The actual information in the magazine was great. I've never read the magazine. And then bros took it over, and every magazine was, hometown hotties are back. Who gives a fuck? Oh, Jesus Christ.

Stop it. You've never seen women before. Calm down. There's women everywhere. People are, oh, look at her. There's women everywhere. Just go fucking talk to them, you weirdos. That's the block, man.

Try. To get into a UFC fight, you have to bring your renewal notice for your Maxim magazine. It's like bringing canned shit to a food drive to get into a child's concert. The school concert. It's either $5 or three cans of food. Every dude that loves ufc used to subscribe to max still does they keep it just in case so uh inside of this like we said the uh bloody pillowcase the pillowcase matched that he's got all the magazines stretched out in the uh

in the foyer there they found a beach towel uh also a long sleeved gray t-shirt and a mattress uh were found now that the towel was found in the foyer in the in a okay separately they find a long sleeved gray t-shirt and a mattress found in a closet of an upstairs bedroom okay okay there's a like a little like an anne frank fucking yeah not even an anne frank that was a twin size bed like a little like a little futon hideaway mattress inside of a closet where like with like a t-shirt there out there like they're camping out there also there in that bedroom they found a plastic tiger mart cup i guess it's something around there. Oh, it's a gas station. Two Dr. Pepper cans, one Coke can, one Maxim DVD. Oh, my.

He's got a portable DVD player. And he's watching Maxim magazine on DVD? What is that? I don't know what that is. Just girls, I don't know, traipsing around in bikinis. I don't know what that is. Is it just a camera focused on the magazine as somebody flips the page? I think so.

He's like, oh, yeah, that's a good one there. Just rewind it. Wait, go back. Shit, here. Rewind. Fl flips the page he's like oh yeah that's a good one there is to rewind it wait go back shit here rewind i missed that sentence i missed that shit i read slow so uh in a third bedroom they found a shotgun also uh so they processed the gun for fingerprints and all that uh now okay what ends up happening here basically now they talk to martha and they go okay what the fuck's the story we found a mattress in the thing we found all this shit yeah what's what's happening here this is a very crazy crime scene that we found she says that the last couple months since she's been back in the house uh roca perez has been living uh in the house unbeknownst to her husband he has been uh he's got a two by eight foot closet that had a foam pad pillows blankets three loaves of bread a nintendo game boy a radio several adult magazines that we talked about uh also found an overnight bag in

there which contained lingerie and pictures of Martha Freeman in various stages of undress. This man is a tugging son of a bitch. He's just got his tug. He's just got like a little tug closet. That's all it is. It's so weird. Also, how does he have a radio and like DVDs? All sorts of shit.

How does Jeffrey not hear this fucker in the closet tugging away? Well, that's the thing. It's like through the show. Well, we're not done yet dr pepper and coke too martha was uh was forthcoming about this information which is kind of too forth she's like yeah yeah no he lives in the closet and i fuck him all the time and my husband didn't know about it she referred to him as christian was his name and said that uh said that he was the one who had a big role in her husband's death after 9 p.m. that evening. The whole deal.

Oh, now I see why she says he found him. Yeah, he found him. My husband found him. So he opened the closet to get his fucking scarf. Yeah. And he said, oh, there's a man living in here tugging in my closet drinking Dr. Pepper. This is crazy. What is that?

A Maxim DVD? What do you got got there are those pictures of my wife pictures of my wife which one are you tugging to the maximum of the pictures of my wife this is absurd jesus christ now also though uh regine beverly uh they talked to her, the neighbor. See, you talk to these people, next thing you know, you're in a fucking room talking to cops. Talking about a tug closet. Yeah. She says that Tara and Anthony Cantrell, Tony and Tara Cantrell, she knew them through the business that the Freemans had. She said that Beverly says she did not see Anthony or Tara around the Freeman residence on that weekend

because they're trying to clear other people that he knows. So she says they weren't here. Beverly describes to the police Martha's behavior. She said she never saw her cry, and she said she calmed down after just a few moments and sat down on the steps, which could be calculated or medication. Who the hell knows? I don't know. Hey, everybody.

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martha requested that tony come to the candlewood Suites to pick up Roca Perez. She asked Tony to take him to Murfreesboro and provide him with a map. Give him a map and take him to this town. Now, Tony Cantrell said he never discussed this with Jeffrey because he's in a weird spot. This couple, they work for these people. So this is their bread and butter. So they need these people to be like together and running a business and doing all that because that's where they're and alive

and doing all that so if this woman's having an affair he doesn't want to go tell jeffrey now and have but he's kind of has to hide it he's for they're in a very shitty position these people i feel bad for these people uh so yeah he said he never discussed it with jeffrey didn't tell him about it uh tony also said that it was his impression that the relationship between Martha and Roca Perez was coming to an end when she called for him to retrieve Roca Perez. When he arrived to get there from the hotel, Freeman had packed up all of Roca Perez's belongings and they sent them off for Murfreesboro. Take this guy to Murfreesboro. Freeman instructed Cantrell to stop at an ATM and take $100 for out of her account for Rocha Perez.

And now Tony said that he was closer friends with with Martha than with Jeffrey. So he never disclosed to Jeffrey that Martha was staying at the hotel with a guy because he was closer to her. Now, Tony also says that he was not aware that a relationship between Martha and Rocha Perez had restarted after he dropped. As far as he's concerned, it was over in December. He dropped this guy off at Murphy in Murphy's Borough, and that was the end of the relationship. Bucks have a good time. Hundred bucks have a good one.

Sent him off. She gave him a hundred bucks and said, one sent him off she gave him 100 bucks and said this is a lot in your country this is worth a lot and you know nodding her head right right everybody collectively in your village sent him off and he was like what a fucking asshole he's like i first of all i speak wonderful english second of all fuck you i'm not from a village i'm not from a village this is ridiculous i was born. I'm from the suburbs. I'm fine. This is silly.

No, he was not. No, he's actually a recent immigrant. Oh, he's he's actually very new to the US. And we'll find out how she met him in a minute. And that's more interesting than any of this shit. Really? It's happened so far. She adopted him.

It's dude. It's so this is so weird. So anyway, yeah, he says that Cantrell, Tony Cantrell, says that on April 7th, 2005, so a few days before this whole thing, he was working at the Freeman residence resealing their back deck. He was unable to finish the job because it started raining. So he left the house. He didn't come back till Monday, April 11th. And when he got there, a cop asked him, asked that Tony take him to where Roca Perez lived in Murfreesboro. He's like, oh, by the way, you know, this guy always in Murfreesboro. Take me where you took him.

Let's go. Yeah, let's go for a ride. So now Tara Cantrell, the wife, she didn't learn that Jeffrey was dead till like later on in the day until after this guy's taking cops to Murfreesboro and everything. until later on in the day, until after this guy's taking cops to Murfreesboro and everything. She says that she knew the Freemans were having marital problems and that Martha had told Tara that she'd moved out of the house and that Tara said that Jeffrey always wore his wedding band anyway and Martha didn't. So she kind of got the idea that Jeffrey was more into the relationship than Martha was based on just being around them general

general behavior which I mean it's a judgment call uh uh yeah she also Taris uh says at one point uh she became aware that Martha had moved out of the house and into a hotel also uh she knew that her husband had been to the hotel and that a Hispanic man was there with freeman and uh and that was basically the uh the way that went uh now uh after jeffrey was dead martha asked uh asked tara to pick up medication and bring it to the house fill her prescriptions uh later martha said that she requested that uh tara come to the house and clean up the bathroom where jeffrey died uh and so tara did that she went and cleaned up her goddamn death scene for her yeah will you clean that but there's my husband's blood up there and it's i've just it's so distracting i can't poop at all it's weird my stomach gets weird

so everything's all wet it's all wet so april 16th 17th that weekend tara came and cleaned this whole thing up uh now a detective here Joseph Winter he says that he was uh he was uh uh he was kind of uh assigned to finding Roca Perez's apartment and on investigating his whole deal here now uh he says that uh this detective says that when he arrived at the Freeman residence Martha was still there uh she left with the detective to give a statement at police headquarters and then she returned to quote assist with the investigation after they finished on April 11th that

night. She he said that Martha decided not to stay at the residence which why would you want to stay where your husband just got killed. Another detective said that he executed the search warrant of the Murfreesboro apartment. He found a bag at the residence inside the bag was Freeman's business card which doesn't at the residence uh inside the bag was freeman's business

card which i mean that doesn't really matter uh he also said that uh he searched freeman's computers for evidence including emails among the emails found between martha and jeffrey a number of them contained the name snookums uh that's what they called each other. Apparently, one was dated September 7th, 2004. One was January 20th, 2005. He also said that he walked in a walkthrough of the residence. He stated that Jeffrey's car was found parked in the garage doors. The garage door was closed. Martha's car was in the driveway parked. He found trash bags. And we told you about the bath mat and all that. No trash bags were found in Jeffrey's car. He also said that he found an empty prescription bottle in the residence for hydrocodone issued on April 10, 2005,

but found no loose pills in the house. It's been two days. That was the next day. So she either took them all in a day, which is a lot. That's a shitload. That's a shitload. Or she pocketed them or took them out of the bottle for some reason. Who knows?

He did also note that there was the shotgun, but did not find any shotgun shells in the residence, just a shotgun with no ammo. He also testified that he's the one who accompanied Martha to the police station where she voluntarily answered questions. He then requested that she do a walkthrough of the house, and she voluntarily did a walkthrough of the house. That was tape recorded. In the Murfreesboro search, he said that he encountered a woman looking for Rocha Perez in his apartment. There was a woman there named Beatrice Ruiz,

and Ruiz spoke passable English, she said, until the detective attempted to explain the search warrant process, and then she had no idea what English words were and had just so much trouble. She pulled a Family Guy Consuela. She just said, No, no, superman no here, and closed the door. And he just said,

No, you don't understand. No, no, no, and just closed the door. And she said, no, you don't understand. No. No. No. Just closed the doors. Did one of those. That may be the best character on that show. I love her so much. She's amazing. She's so fucking great.

She's so contrary and shit. She's a dick to everybody. She's a, no. She's fucking awesome. She reminds me of my grandmother. Yeah. She's like my grandmother as a cleaning woman. So, yeah, at that point, they questioned them.

They said they placed Roca Perez in a 10 by 10 room with his hands handcuffed in the front, you know, put him in an interrogation room. That's how that worked. Now, once he was removed from the room, they took Martha into the room. And when she walked into the room he had pulled the table back just a bit she said she enters the room crosses to the other side of the table and looks down and says very excitedly what's that

doing here and there was a gold man's wedding band on the table the detective said he picked it up and she said that belongs to Jeffrey so how that got there is a weird thing they're saying roca perez might have had it and all that sort of shit on the table left it on the table there's like a ditch the evidence or some shit uh so uh uh they've released

martha like we said she was sent off blah blah blah so uh they the uh they they review the videotape of the interrogation room and the tape did not show Rocha Perez handling the ring that was found. He didn't. He stated also that he didn't that he didn't request the victim's fingernails be clipped and checked for evidence, which I don't understand why. In a struggle situation, you wouldn't check a guy's at least scrape him. I get that the hands were bound, but to get the hands bound, it probably was a struggle for that. I'm not sure. So now the closet that they thought he lived, he said the detective said he initially believed that the mattress and closet were staged. Later on, he learned exactly what the deal was. Apparently, Jeffrey's at work for like 10, 11 hours a day.

Roca Perez just has run of the house while he's at work. While Jeffrey's at work, he just acts like he lives there he hangs out he makes food watches tv and then when jeffrey comes home he goes and hangs out in the closet and jerks off to fucking maxim and playboy and penthouse and whatever the hell else he's got up there and pictures of martha how old is this guy he's 30s i mean just you know he's got a hell of a sex drive he's got a hell of a sex drive yeah he's banging her he's jerking off he's really got a lot going on. He's constantly got to be jizzing. Jesus.

They found out that Rocha Perez is here illegally also, that he's not a legal alien. Oh, that's not good. He snuck in, which is also not great for him. Anyway, even if he didn't kill this guy, he's got other problems. Now, another forensic scientist with the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation, a woman named Donna Nelson, she ends up saying that she found the faux mattress, the shotgun, the blanket, all that shit, vacuumings, blood samples. Also, a pair of woman's panties indicated the presence of Freeman's DNA.

And then a gray T-shirt also contained her DNA. And a different T-shirt and ball cap matched Roca Perez. And a pair of men's underwear uh contained roca perez's dna and the dna of an unidentified female uh-oh so who the hell knows who he's out there banging others too he's man yeah wow on the beach towel discovered at the scene by the way in the upstairs outside the bedrooms they discovered roca perez's sperm and martha freeman's dna uh they said they they were they were pretty sure that sexual intercourse occurred on the towel or he had her wipe off her belly either one yeah either one uh i guess the way it was she was laying where it was a pair of

latex gloves had degraded dna that was insufficient to perform tests on that they found, and also a number of things that could degrade DNA, and they were talking about tons of different shit. We all know that. So now pre-trial, this Regine Beverly testifies about her whole thing, about the 911 call, Martha's demeanor. On cross-examination, she says that she hadn't been in their house very often, and Beverly said that she called Freeman's attorney. This is a weird thing.

They would often talk in the yard. And regime Beverly said that some weeks prior to this hearing and after the murder, but before the trial, she called Freeman's attorney to check on Freeman's mental health out of concern for her welfare. She was that worried about her. The neighbor, Karen Neal, she testifies about seeing Martha standing there with the cigarette in her hand and all that type of shit. On cross-examination, Neal stated that she would not have noticed if someone was looking out the door or window at Freeman. She didn't look to see if she was being held captive on the porch

or some shit like that. She said she didn't realize any of these observations were important it was just a neighbor smoking a cigarette so not a big deal uh on redirect uh she says that she was not in distress or panicking but emotionless and zoned out which is 7 45 a.m smoking a cigarette i am too also on a bunch of pills now uh the trial trial court found that the 911 call should not be admitted at trial because it was hearsay. That's not falling under any exception because Beverly was relaying what Martha said. Because she wouldn't do it. Yeah. So there's none of that.

Elaborating on that, they said that the actions by the defendant Freeman, coupled with the substantial time interval between the victim's death and 911 call, did not support the notion that her statements were spontaneous and logically sprung from the stress of her husband's murder. So whatever. Anyway, the trial court also found that that, by the way, they arrest Martha for the murder, obviously. So I forgot to say that. It's so obvious. I was like, I should probably tell you that they're having a pretrial. So they are. They're charging both of them, her and Roca Perez, together for this murder. They also found that the trial should not be severed.

Oh, they want them together. They're going to keep them together because Freeman has not shown, quote, compelling prejudice, and the defenses are not not irreconcilable so they're making them be tried together uh also martha made no showing that roca perez would testify for her if the trials were severed so in a separate order the trial also the trial court also ordered roca perez's motion for severance you know denied that also so they're going to be tried together now martha uh she was a witness at uh at his preliminary hearing at Roca Perez's preliminary hearing, giving details about their relationship and the night that that Jeffrey was killed. Now she talks about how they met. OK, they met in 2004 at a Fourth of July celebration, Freeman and Roca Perez. Okay. This was, she said, during a rocky period in her marriage. She said she went to a hotel in downtown Nashville with Roca Perez and two of his friends.

Oh, no. And she said she had intimate relations with the three men at the same time. So she got gang banged by Roca Perez and and his two friends at a fourth of july celebration which is in downtown nashville in downtown nashville in downtown nashville hotel yeah i am terrified that's what that's what goes on suburban women getting big gang banged by three fucking dudes after a after a fireworks celebration wow holy shit that's how much jizz is in hotels that's how that's how much jizz uh she also says they conducted an on and off relationship with the aid of a uh english spanish translator book and and you know a recorder thing yeah this is 2005 so they had like shit like that

now it's just an happen easy uh then she said perez moved into uh the closet in the home in march of 2005 the month before the murder uh she says that on the night of april 10th uh both she and roca perez were asleep in the room that she had separate she they were sleeping in separate rooms she said her and her husband and uh jeffrey freeman uh discovered perez and told him to leave she said hey hey there's a guy living in my house sleeping with my wife. I'd like you to leave now, which is excessively reasonable. Excessively reasonable. Did you get the fuck out of my house?

Could you not fuck my wife in my house right now? That's not really cool. This is a very boogie night scene. This is very boogie night. So Martha then says that Jeffrey went to walk the dogs after that. She said, oh, look, you're banging some guy. Get out of my house. The dogs have to shit.

That was the course of events. She says when Jeffrey returned, this is terrible to laugh at, but Jesus, when Jeffrey returned, that's when Perez Rocha grabbed him by the shirt collar and forced him into the bathroom at gunpoint while Martha Freeman waited outside. She said, I heard water running. I heard a lot of thumping. A lot of noise is what she testified. She said, I was absolutely terrified of what was going on. And also, if he could do this to my husband, I'm not sure what he was going to do to me. He's a monster. He's run wild. It has nothing to do with me though i'm innocent uh she's they asked her why didn't you immediately call the police and she admitted that she quote didn't have an answer she she just said it must have been the medication that she's taking for her bipolar disorder it just makes her wacky how many pills i took you know sometimes guys killing your husband you just don't think call the police that's a weird thing the number you forget the number you know it's very difficult uh which is horseshit uh during the six she ends up being 16 hours from the time she says that uh jeffrey was killed to the 911 call 16 hours uh 16 hours between in

there freeman said she went to walgreens picked up a prescription for antidepressants walked her dog twice uh she also called her in-laws. And this was when she called the mother-in-law. Jeffrey was dead already. Yeah. And she's like, yeah, he's not feeling too well. So he's not going to call you tonight. Yeah.

That's that's cold blooded. She's trying to get out of this. Yeah. She's cold blooded. Shit. This is all cold. That's what I mean. She had like a plan of I'm going to do this and then I'll go across the street.

A man killed my husband. I don't know what happened. Yeah. It's fucking crazy. She said she was. Her plan is to eventually tell on him, street. A man killed my husband. I don't know what happened. Yeah, it's fucking crazy. She said she was... Her plan is to eventually tell on him, though. Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, no. He's going down for this.

That's her plan. This guy barely speaks fucking English. He's going down for this, and I'm going to play the victim, and I don't know, I'm on medication. I don't know what happened. She's been banging him for damn near a year. And his friends everywhere, yeah.

Holy shit. Which is, hey, they're all adults, whatever, but we're just saying that she's not she's fucking up here she's an asshole she's an asshole uh she said that uh she uh she you know called him into work and all that sort of thing and then about four o'clock is when she finally went to the neighbor's house and told her what happened and that's when the police were called uh she said according to her testimony and an angry jeffrey freeman said he was going out for a walk and he wanted the man out of the house when he came back again highly reasonable can you by the time my dog's done shitting can you get your dick out of my wife and leave my home please thank you so she says martha testifies instead of leaving uh he roca p Perez picked up a shotgun that belonged to Jeffrey and confronted him.

Now, there's no shells in the house. And I assume Jeffrey knows if he has shotgun shells or not. So he's probably like, well, yeah, that's pretty cool. You got that gun and all. But I don't know. Madeline Wood. I see it. You basically have a club for you.

So a weapon that does nothing unless you throw it at me. That's all it's going to do. She said that Roca Perez confronts Jeffrey. He ordered Jeffrey into the bathroom at gunpoint and that's when she said she heard the beating and strangling and she was absolutely terrified and all of that stuff.

What ends up happening though, first they're charging Roca Perez. at this point she's not officially charged yet once she is testifying in his preliminary hearing there this is when in the middle of all this the judge stops her from testifying and says hold on a second number one i don't believe you and she he says quote i've got a problem with allowing this to go any further without allowing her some representation because i can see her being charged in this case. And then she said the judge turned to the lawyers and said, this is so bizarre.

It's really hard to believe the whole thing. So he's like, I'm confused. This is just throwing a lot of weird shit into the mix. Get her a lawyer and get her off the stand. Can we please take money in the waters? I have to get home and check all of my clothes. I have to check off every all of my closets. I have to check every one of my closets. And I'm going to check out one of those Maxim DVDs because that sounds pretty hot.

So four months later, she's finally indicted on one count of first-degree murder. And she is let out on $75,000 bail. So she's out. And by the way, Roca Perezerez he's not there's no bail he's sitting in jail the whole time while she's out on 75 dollars bail uh his lawyer says quote he has always maintained his innocence and no disrespect to mrs freeman but her credibility her reliability her mental stability will be in serious question at a trial of this case smid shot it's all there yeah as the trial

began uh the district attorney offered her a 20-year deal where she'd be eligible eligible for parole in six years yeah six years out of this fucking joint and what does she do in return she just have to testify against roca perez which she was already doing anyway uh according to uh what her lawyer told her to reject it uh yeah told her don't do that uh that's a lawyer that's like i'd love to see this bitch put away forever yeah yeah yeah that's and later on he's quoted as saying i felt strongly about it then i feel strongly about it now so we'll find out if say which way he feels strongly we'll find out about her not taking this deal because he thinks the case is weak now september 2005 uh well she he thinks it's weak against her she's like they got a great case against him i think he's wrong i think so too i

think that it seems like they were in it together if i'm a jury i'm going yeah i think she wanted that to happen i mean he didn't he didn't take pictures of her without her fucking, you know what I mean? Well, not only that. He's got tug stuff. He's got her panties. She's on board with this. He's dead. Her husband's dead, and she decided to go to Walgreens and get her prescription and

walk the fucking dog instead of calling the fucking cops and calling the goddamn ambulance. She called him into work sick. That's what I mean. She is a huge part of this shit. This lady is an asshole. And she never even says, like, oh, he held a gun to my head the whole time. He wasn't with her at Walgreens. That's what I mean. She is a huge part of this shit. And she never even says like, oh, he held a gun to my head the whole time. He wasn't with her at Walgreens. You know what I mean?

It's fucking ridiculous. Now, September of 2005, in August, she is charged and released on bail. In September, officers are called to Martha's home early in the morning after a psychiatric worker called saying Freeman had taken 60 antidepressants and a bunch of other unknown medication. They found her coherent and semi-alert, but still called for an ambulance. They're calling it a suicide attempt, a cry for help or whatever you want to call it. There, I don't know if they're not. They don't know if she was meaning to do it, meaning to kill herself or get sympathy in

the trial. Or, I mean, you don't know what her mental state is. Who, meaning to kill herself or get sympathy in the trial. I mean, you don't know what her mental state is. Who knows? There could be some multiple things going on there. Yeah, I think I would. There could be a little bit of both. I could see any of that shit happening. If this doesn't work, they're really going to feel sorry for me.

Maybe. Yeah. She's in such a shit situation. Who knows? You know what I mean? So the prosecutor in the opening of the trial, he says, quote, the evidence will show you she had Mr. Perez there secluded away in another bedroom. It took two people to orchestrate this, and it will be clearly shown that those two people were Martha Freeman and Mr. Rocha Perez. So they're on there.

Now, the defense has a different theory of this case. The defense, her defense attorney, says this is his opening, quote, two men fought over one woman and one man died. Or one woman and one man died. We will not hear any evidence. We will not hear any witnesses who will testify that Martha Freeman ever intended for her affair with Mr. Rocha Perez to lead to her husband's death. So she never tried to hire anybody to kill him or anything. Now, Martha just blames him as her theory. or anybody to kill him or anything.

Now, Martha just blames him as her theory. Her lawyer concedes that she kept the husband's body dead in the upstairs bathroom for almost a day without notifying the police. We'll give you that. But he also insisted that her decision to do so showed a lack of involvement. This is what he says. He's trying to make that a positive. This is a terrible trick. We'll make it a positive.

We'll spin it in our direction. He says, quote, she did not hide the body. She did not flee. She did not help Roka Perez free. She does, in fact, delay her making her decision, but she never does anything to assist Roka Perez. She also doesn't do anything to assist her husband while he's being murdered or in the suing hours. So sorry. while he's being murdered or in the suing hours.

So, sorry. Broca Perez's lawyer, on the other hand, says, quote, maybe she needed a chump. Who better to blame it on than somebody who's here illegally, somebody who is truly a stranger in a strange land, somebody who, by virtue of his immigration status, once arrested is not going to get out of jail. Which, yeah, I mean, that's all true, too. But he still, and he killed him.

That's the difference. It's easy for her to blame him, both for those reasons and the reason that he killed him also. So there's factual and cultural reasons for this. Now, the Walgreens woman testifies, the head pharmacist and the custodian of records. They testify that they had this testifies the effects of the drugs and custodian of records. They testifies that they had, she testifies the effects of the drugs and all that sort of thing. And the weird part is the Walgreens lady testifies

that Freeman's only listed condition was hypertension. And there was all she had. And there's no medications on the list that would treat bipolar disorder or schizophrenia, which is what she claims to have also. Now, on a recross examination, she testifies that most of the medications were prescribed by a Dr. Nyquist, who's a psychiatrist, which is odd. And Estridge, this is the Walgreens lady, she said that hydrocodone prescription was

not prescribed by this doctor. So I don't know what is happening here. She's just got so many pills. She's one of these people at pill shops, I feel like. She's got a doctor for this. She's probably got some crooked dentist right in her prescription. It's just how a lot of these people do it.

Now, next is the medical examiner, and he identifies all the photographs that we talked about, the bruising around the wrists, and it talks about that it was bound while he was alive and that he struggled against his ties, which makes people, when you start putting it together, you just see the body, whatever, but when they start putting together what actually happened,

was taken, was tied up, and he struggled, and you had to make sure. That's a fucking brutal thing to do at that point. Someone's struggling for their life, and you're killing them. That's hard. So they talked about the punches to the head and all that sort of thing or the blows to the head they talk about the blows to the head could have been caused by the butt of the shotgun could have been caused by

a fist there's multiple things that could have a shirt telling a tale too he's also got a shirt there's all sorts of shit here so uh they said they talked about the time of death estimate and all that sort of thing now cross-examination of the medical examiner by Roca Perez's attorney. This guy, the medical examiner, testifies that at the time of death, it was estimated on mostly on the pictures taken on the scene. The bag found on the head, he said, could have caused the marks on the neck and could have played a role in the victim's death. He also says marks on the wrists were nonspecific and that he couldn't specifically say what type of object was used to tie the victim up. The doctor also agreed that a person

could hang himself with mild force. So they're trying to say that he did this to himself, which is, I don't know, that's not a good way to do it. Like I said, he, they said. They could have framed it, when care when did carotene die you know yeah around then 2007-8 they just hung that that uh that phone cord around the the bar in that closet and put a maxim next to them and just hung those maxim right next to him you have no idea how this happened yeah that's true there's also there's a bunch of theories here uh uh one of

them is uh uh maybe they were lying on a towel having sex when Jeffrey Freeman came in and caught them in the act. Or maybe the sex on the towel was to celebrate the fact that they murdered Jeffrey. These are the prosecutors. What a terrible thing to say out loud. To celebrate. Jesus Christ. Now, Martha's defense attorney labeled the suggestion as a nasty and inflammatory theory in the case on scarce evidence. We're not judging her on her sexual shit, by the way, by any stretch of the imagination.

I don't care what the fuck you do. Just don't kill anyone when you're done doing it. Thank you. Here's the other thing. Don't be pretending to fix your marriage and then be out gangbanging. But that's outside of my realm of judgment. That's whatever. But the fact that you killed him afterwards that's

where as a society then we're all yeah that's enough now you can do whatever you want on your time but uh yeah the uh the prosecutor also said uh uh every one of you is the judge in the facts of this case when you start talking theories and not facts you're asking someone to make a decision based on guesses which is exactly what a trial is. Unless you watch the crime happen, then having a trial immediately afterwards, it's all based on guesses, based on shit that you've heard and theories and shit like that. That's exactly what a trial is. So an officer testified, police officer, that he investigated and photographed the house. He said there was no forced entry, about the uh english english spanish uh

electronic translator uh talked about the trash bags and all the locations the shotgun blah blah blah blah blah uh they also talk about that the police didn't secure the scene between the april 11th and april 15th which seems silly martha was allowed to go home for christ's sake if she wanted to she didn't choose to but uh they to, but they didn't examine everything either. It's just weird, man. They said they didn't process a black plastic bag from the victim's head. Why would you not process that? What?

The trash bag boxes that they got the trash bags out of. Fingerprints could help on there. There's also a small TV radio. I don't know what the fuck that is, but that was there, too. In the closet? In the room there somewhere. He was also not asked to process the doorknob or door handle on the front door and storm

door, I guess, because that's where cops are coming in and out. He also didn't process the security system control pad on the back door for fingerprints, which also I think should have been something. They talk about fingerprints and all that sort of shit. He was unable to lift prints from two banquet TV dinner boxes.

A Hispanic Maxim magazine. I didn't know they had one of those, but they do. Hey, look at that. Caliente. Caliente reaches out to you. It's movie Caliente. Let me tell you something. Fucking Caliente.

It's beautiful. One Playboy magazine, gq magazine a tv guide three and a half three and a half loaves of bread he's just sitting there eating fucking bread and water is that what she's feeding this poor guy and banquet and banquet jesus digital clock and radio two tv remotes and a purple game boy uh he said uh he was able to get lifts uh prints from a paper plate on on the bedside table the penthouse the playboy diet coke can maxim dvd dvd cover uh he also was jizz all over the wall yeah jizz just everywhere lots of we scraped lots of jizz on off the walls uh so they went over all these fingerprints they found uh roca perez's fingerprints on the playboy on the dr pepper can uh also uh additional fingerprints found around were matched to martha on his shit so to indicate they were you know populating the same space basically uh no other no other

prints from anything around there came from anyone other than martha or roca perez okay so it's not like you know there's not a mystery man coming in. Jeffrey didn't come in and grab something or do something. That's what they're trying to establish, that he didn't find them maybe or whatever. Maybe they just planned this shit. That's what they're trying to establish. Maybe this was a plan, not a, you know, a fight.

Because they're trying to say this was a fight. He came in, found them, they got in a fight, and this shit went too far. Rather than this was a premeditated, cold-blooded fucking murder, which is much worse in the eyes of the law. Hide in the closet and tug until it's time to go. Stay in there and keep tugging. I'll just keep bringing you materials. Don't worry about it.

Yeah, this is, I love the way he put it. said that he uh well he said what he decided to he said he didn't he didn't do the trash bag around the victim's head because the bag was wet and things aren't conductive to chemical conducive to chemical powders he also didn't request them to check the trash bags for prints for that same reason he decided not to test jeffrey's wallet because it didn't appear to be a robbery it didn't appear to be touched so that didn't get processed and also he searched a uh i love the way he put this by oh by the way the processing of shit the reason why they don't process everything is because you will fuck your crime lab up they talk about that in the homicide david simon book how you as a detective you have to you can say process the whole house and they'll do it but you're crying you've just crippled your crime lab

for two weeks you fucked everything up they hate you and so to be you know work in an environment you have to choose what is actually relevant well if that room doesn't look like anybody was in there we don't need to vacuum it and have this guy empty the bag and look through all the fibers stick with where the crime happened so that's why they do that by the way but this detective cochran said he searched a bag found at the scene i love the way he put it quote he contained quote lingerie panties a bustier and sexual type books i would have loved to have heard that in an old flat-topped no fucking sideburn having southern detective and sexual tap books also contained a hotel receipt from the Renaissance Hotel

and a Polaroid of Roca Perez in the nude. He had his own Polaroid? He had his own Polaroid. They also found a computer that contained downloaded photographs of Roca Perez, which is her thing, and also discovered a camera at the scene which contained a photo of Jeffrey wearing a silver ring that was found in the bag at the scene. That's the silver jeffrey wearing a silver ring that was found in

the bag at the scene that's the silver ring so that's his ring that we found there so they took that off of him uh uh cantrell testified uh tony that he wasn't that he was not aware of uh freeman about them restarting the relationship roca perez and them uh on cross-examination they asked cantrell if he killed jeffrey freeman and he's like no why i'm not fucking his wife and i need him for a job so why would i kill him i have no interest in that man dead my motivation is to keep everyone happy and the fucking business going here uh now uh tara cantrell testified that she noticed severe ups and downs in Martha's behavior in 2004 and acknowledged picking up prescriptions for her on more than one occasion. She also said that after the death,

after Jeffrey's death, the business closed very quickly because because of his death and, quote, some other things as well, which is interesting here. Now, the prosecutor at the end, he says, quote, It's very easy to think of the steps up to committing a crime but it's very difficult to think about what to do after committing the offense like because that's what they did they had this all planned out then they're like shit now what we have all this stuff and a dead guy right the dismount's the most important part let's talk about it for a while and then we'll end up you know 16 hours later there's too much evidence against it so let's call the cops.

Verdict comes in. It took the jury less than two hours on this one. It takes an hour and a half to fill out the paperwork. So that's not a lot. They found both Rocha Perez and Martha guilty of first degree murder. And in the sentencing, this is you, sir and ma'am. Both may fuck off. They're both sentenced to life in prison.encing, this is you, sir and ma'am, both may fuck off. They're both sentenced to life in prison.

Life for this. They will both have to serve 51 years in prison before being eligible for parole. Whoops. 51 instead of six. That's why I said that six is a big fucking, she'd have been gallivanting around the mall in Brentwood

right now holy shit having fucking Starbucks with her friends instead of uh being in jail for another fucking 50 40 years uh they said that if Mara the the her lawyers tried to make it out like she was on trial for adultery which they I mean I'm sure that came up and that salaciousness that they prosecutors always like to hit on that's bullshit I think but you don't even need that for this case you just need to establish that's why their motive for being together and killing him together is otherwise you don't even need to be salacious about it because it's enough already uh his her lawyer said quote if martha freeman was on trial for immoral conduct this would be a pretty open and shut case but that but an affair

doesn't lead to a murder conviction well it does when one of them's dead right and then a bunch of evidence says that uh the lawyer for roca perez uh said that he was a disposable target because of his immigration status uh he says quote uh as far as i as far as who killed jeffrey freeman i don't think that was ever answered i think they could have done much more to establish where people were in the irrelevant time period what a really shitty despicable thing to say i think that that's pretty well established what happened there it's pretty obvious there's a verdict sir there's a verdict not only that she said he killed him he killed her and he's kind of saying that it was a no one's denying that in the end physically whatever the intent was he roca perez killed jeffrey and no one's denying that they were fucking martha and roca perez so those are the ind no one's denying that they were fucking martha and roca perez so

those are the indisputable facts that one led to another uh now uh i guess relatives of jeffrey were very happy when the verdicts were read uh they didn't linger to talk to cops or talk to reporters afterwards they just kind of took off an attorney for the family said quote this is a new day for the freeman family the jury's verdict today is a validation of jeffrey freeman's life so they took that as something to take away positive from the whole thing now on appeal uh freeman alleges that the court erred by admitting a nude photograph of roca perez that was salacious uh refusing to allow the 911 recording which that wouldn't have gotten her off and but it's a procedural thing where you're saying whatever and refusing to grant her motion to sever the trial and by and also alleges the trial court erred by allowing

a police officer to testify concerning a statement made in violation of the confrontation clause. I don't know. It's a long story. I don't know. I'm going to get into that now. Not even going to get into it. Perez and Martha alleged there was insufficient evidence to support their convictions. Also, the problem is they argue the facts could potentially support a one-killer theory,

and then they're going to blame each other and say that each of them are innocent, and their goal is to get off that way, it seems like. That's a little tricky way to do it. Yeah, they're saying that it could have been done by one killer. The individual, one individual surprises, hits and knocks the victim unconscious. The individual then ties the victim and strangles him, taking only the evidence on the victim's body. The scenario might be plausible, the court says.

However, considering the rest of the evidence, we find the scenario unreasonable. It's highly unlikely that a single killer put the pillowcase on a victim's head before knocking him unconscious if he was not bound first. Because the bloody pillowcases, they're saying that possibly they put the pillowcase on his head, then hit him with a shotgun. And it didn't and it didn't it didn't cut it open worse that way. Yeah. And it didn't splatter either. They said, in our view, the binding must have occurred first, which would have required two people. Additionally, defendants, both defendants actions after the killing make this unreasonable. The cleanup, the phone calls, Roca Perez's flight from the scene, and the Freeman's indication that the murder occurred 20 to 30 minutes before the 911 call.

All these things. They said that they, the other one is they're saying whether it was premeditation. And they're saying it seems pretty premeditated when the guy's bound and shit like that. There's many decisions, many chances to change your mind and not kill this person. They said a rational jury could have concluded that Freeman was calm after the killing. The victim was killed the night of the 10th and Freeman calmly called the victim's mother to tell her he was ill. Freeman was seen standing in the front of the porch holding a cigarette at 7.45 a.m. the following morning

and Freeman called ResiFax to advise him the victim would not be at work that day. Multiple witnesses testified that Freeman went through periods of hysteria and calmness. All of this leads to, we think she's full of shit and these facts taken together support a finding of premeditation for both defendants, i.e. full of shit

is what they said. I wish they could put that on on there we find these defendants to be full of shit move on take them away they're george carlin that would be great if if it fucking if you were found that you're appealing you're full of shit bullshit theory uh now i wasn't it idiots and full of shit what was i this guy's a fucking idiot yeah yeah he's full now he and full of shit. What was this guy's a fucking idiot. Yeah. He's full of shit. Yeah, that's right. That's right. That's fucking great.

The next is about the photo of Rocha Perez, mostly nude, exhibiting his genitalia as it's put in the court document. Martha argues that the photograph is not relevant. And if relevant, the relevance is not substantially outweighed by the danger of unfair prejudice and confusion of the issues. Like they've never seen a dick before. Oh, no, it's a dick. I don't know who killed who. Never mind. Guilty.

I don't think that's ever happened. Jesus Christ. And the 911 tapes, they're just like, that doesn't really do anything for you. The Polaroid dick pic. I'm blown away by that. Yeah. And it doesn't matter because it's not like she's denying the affair and that's the only evidence of the affair.

They're not denying the affair. She had the dick pic. I don't know why it needed to be in evidence necessarily. Because it's funny. But it's kind of funny. Maybe that's why. Maybe that's why. That's hilarious.

That's true. Right here we have an electrical cord. Right here we have tape and bags and a dick pick and a dick pick see that dick pick look at that we got a dick pick that's fucking hilarious fuck man next she argues that the they erred in refusing to sever uh the trials uh but they said that the court should grant severance if uh before trial it's deemed necessary to protect the defendant's right to a speedy trial or deemed appropriate to promote a fair determination of guilt or innocence. Or during the trial with consent of the defendant to be severed if it's deemed necessary.

None of these things are through. The conclusion of this, after thorough review, we conclude that there was sufficient evidence to support the jury's findings. The photograph of Roca Perez was not admitted in error. The 911 tape was not precluded in error the trial court did not err in refusing to sever the defendant's trials and the confrontation clause was not offended by the introduction of martha of freeman's statement identifying the victim's ring as such we affirm the judgments of the trial court keep fucking off take a hike 51 years in jail assholes so she's in prison yeah Okay. She's in prison looking for fellas, by the way. You can write to Martha in prison if you'd like to do that.

It says contact Martha now. Must be 18 years or older to write a prison by mail. Is Martha Freeman number 411819 Tennessee Prison for Women 3881 Stewart Lane, comma, 4119 Tennessee Prison for Women, 3881 Stewart Lane, 2 South C-11. Jesus. Nashville, Tennessee, 37218 in the United States. Or email. Email Martha now.

Then it says inmates do not have access to internet, so you can't do that. That's somebody else. Yeah, they print and send your email messages is what they do. You write a letter to her, blah, blah, blah. Would you like to hear her pitch? Oh, I'd love to. Okay. Martha is pen pal number 411819. She says, quote, full-figured southern lady seeks man

for friendship and companionship. I'm an attractive, voluptuous lady with a quirky sense of humor that's looking for a little playful fun. I enjoy painting, football, crossword puzzles, music, and intelligent conversation. I also love to read and learn about new things, especially science.

Quote, parentheses, I'm a little nerdy. I also like multiple Spanish cocks at the same time. I'm looking for an intellectual man that likes to laugh with a little mischief. If any of that appeals to you, please write me and tell me about yourself i will respond to all inquiries i hope i hear from you

soon and then update please check out my new pick and info looking for any and all uh domestic or international correspondence love postcards magazines and books i look forward to mail the highlight of my day love different people and backgrounds especially somebody sent us a postcard from hawaii i'm sending it to her you should i'm gonna write her a letter you should a love letter thanks to everyone for kindness with much love your new friend martha and uh you can write her anytime in the next 40 years because she's gonna fucking be in prison so good luck martha she'll be there till she's 90 martha's 40 years, because she's going to fucking be in prison. So good luck, Martha. She'll be there until she's 90. Martha's one piece of ass. Yeah, that Martha's one hot piece of ass.

She's there, and she'll probably show you her hot piece of ass if you ask her to. That is Brentwood, Tennessee. Now, how different was that than Gainesboro? A little different. That's what I wanted to show. It's not what we do, and every state is different. The towns are different.

Everything is different from five miles to five miles. It's different. So we wanted to say that. That's Brentwood, Tennessee, and that is the Freeman's crazy tale. Wherever it's at, hillbilly behavior still fucking happens. That's what I mean. This is hillbilly behavior in a big house. That's all it is.

It's all the same behavior. Murderous behavior is all panhandle behavior. When we say that, it has nothing to do with location. And that's all it is it's all the same behavior murderous behavior is all panhandle behavior when we say that it has nothing to do with location and that's the other thing too people say when we do this accent we do the hot and all that shit they're like stop making fun of southerners it's not southern no we've done that and people are like people don't sound like that in massachusetts i'm like i know we've explained to you that has nothing to do with region that's the quote panhandle accent. It's not Southern.

It's not anything. It's just a dumb person who fucking murders people because they're an idiot and thinks they can get away with it. That's what we're talking about. Panhandle behavior. This is maybe the worst plot to murder somebody. It's terrible. There was no getting out of this.

No getting out of it. The dismount is impossible. No, ask that beach towel. They found that out. There's going to be some leakage on the dismount. That's so The dismount is impossible. No, ask that beach towel. They found that out. There's going to be some leakage on the dismount. That's so gross. That is gross. So if you like that show and are not too grossed out, go over to iTunes and give us a review.

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And Jimmy, please, I need to hear for my own sanity the list of wonderful people who I want to hug right now and who gave us something in our producers. Hit me with it now, Jimmy. This week's executive producers are Katharina Gwaith, I think. Ooh, nice. Katharina Gwaith. Hey, thank you. Talena Johnson.

No, Jensen. Talena Jensen. Kelly Mack. Thank you so much, Kelly. Yeah. Annette Wright. Crystal Gennaro. Yeah, she's the traffic controller.

Chrissy Ann Costaldi. Alisa Kamak, whatever. Melinda Cruz or Melinda Sipes, depending on how she decides to sign. Michael Kennedy, my favorite Michael Kennedy now. Yeah, definitely. I've already forgotten about the other one I know. Jaina Dickens and Laura Nimmeh. Or Nimmy? Nimmeh. Nimmeh. Nimmeh. Nim-eh? Well, either way, plug in thank you. already forgotten about the other one i know uh jana dickens and laura nimé or nimmy nimé well either way fucking thank you thank you laura uh jennifer provant uh michelle carol

uh samantha ritchie caitlin mclean macleon uh bri brianna pink pampinina? Pampina. Pink is her middle name. Reagan Schalke, Gretchen Jones, Cordelia Winters, Jessica Manor, Christy Tosella, Sean Sullivan, Ryan Russell, Cedric Wardell, Mary Price, Sarah Toasty, Teresa Morgan, Zach Warburton, Kat Ayala. Oh, yeah. I forget where she's at. God damn it. Oh, yeah. It's somewhere fucking cold. That's what I know. Damn it. Thank you, though.. Oh, yeah. I forget where she's at. God. Oh, yeah. Somewhere fucking cold.

That's what I know. Damn it. Thank you, though. Thank you, Kat. Jen Bass. Eric Langen ecker. Courtney Cox. Happy birthday, Jenny Haney.

I don't know. That was the name of the person, which was I don't know who sent it, Jenny. Well, happy birthday. Damn you. Ashley Vio. Rusty Burrows. Tammy Taliafaro. Taliafaro.

No, it's Amy Taliaferro. Kapow Designs. That's Kat Power. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. Brian Toole, Aaron Anderson, Aaron Nesseth, Christy Bross... Fuck, I knew I was going to do this. Kirstie Brosvik Flatjord.

Flatjord? Fjord? It's Flatjord. Oh, Flatjord. Right. It's Kirstie Brosvik Flatjord. Shoof. Or Flatjord. That's a hell of a name you got. Flatjord. Quite the Flat Yard. Right. It's Kirstie Brosvick Flat Yard. Or Flit Yard.

That's a hell of a name you got. Quite the handle you got there, Kirstie. Jesse Dotson. Sarah Webb. Kate Ives. Lynn Ann Price. Jesse Hartman. Christopher Battaglia.

Willow Tufts. Caitlin MacLeon. Oh, the other one was MacLeon. What am I doing? There was two MacLeons? What's happening? This is bananas. Samantha Schneider. No. Yeah, This is bananas. Samantha Schneider.

No. Yeah, Scheidler. Samantha Scheidler. Isaac Clark. Helen Elizabeth Nolan. Phillip. Phillip. Phillip Zetsu.

Phillip Chavez. Phil. Zetsu. Phil. Phil. Phil. Phil. Phil.

Who's doing all this good, man? Phil Chavez. Zetsu. Megan Ratcliffe. Lindsay Rustan. Under the Sea Fabrics. Jerome Czerwinski, Matt Dietrich, Sarah Hart, Angela Miller, who is Justin's wife, Justin Miller also, Christopher Brooks, Megan Wood, Dan Coleman, Stefan Gravix, Granvix.

Yes. Cervix? Cervix. No. I barely know her. Is that how it goes? I think that's what you want to say. Thank you. That's what we're getting at. At your cervix is the joke. barely know where that's how it goes i think i think that's what you want to say thank you is what we're getting at is this is yes yeah yeah yeah there you go tara jengis

we're not old enough to remember those samantha ritchie lewis tedrick or tidrick lewis tidrick gary howard hansen don marie uh alexander hunter alexandra god it. It's a lady. It's important. Sorry. Alexander Hunter. Peyton Meadows. Cody McCall. Donna Sittler. Travis Reed. Ariana Folsom.

Meredith Burrell. Kathleen Pullen. Happy birthday to Abby Scheidler and Bam Stroker. Yeah, Bam Stroker. You got it? You see that? See what he did there? This motherfucker.

Yeah, clever. And somebody donated in memory of Second Lieutenant Joe Cunningham. I hope you listened. Thank you, Joe. Yeah. Why am I thanking him? I don't know. God damn it. I figured he's a lieutenant.

He must have done something. What a fucking hero. That's what he is. That deserves thanking, I guess. We do this because the people like that guy. Alyssa Catuogno? Yes. Yes. No.

Joshua Chandler. Chantel with no last name or Chantel. Mark McCann, the non-savvy gamer. James Fraker. Justin Miller. I said that one. Stephanie Aigoa. Carol Feely.

Crystal Lamb. one uh stephanie i goa carol feely uh christian crystal lamb uh stephen rude who's fucking uh avatar looks like uh looks like uh uh fucking mcg what's that dude's name the fighter connor mcgregor yeah there you go bang and then heather foster i thank you guys so much for doing what you do for us uh we can't do it without you. Thank you so much, everybody. Honestly. You guys are why we do it. Thank you. Honestly, we can't do it without you. We love every bit of everything you do for us. Thank you so much. You will not find

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You're not going to be able to spell it on the first try. It's tough. It's a tough one. So I had trouble as a child. So do that. Keep coming back and seeing us every damn week. And until next week, everybody, it's been our pleasure. Bye.

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