Small Town Murder - #91 - A Progression Of Awful Things in Kiowa, Colorado

Episode Date: October 25, 2018

This week, in Kiowa, Colorado, two young men on the run from the law, find refuge & work with a small town family. This is all fine until there's an argument over money, and a trip out to the local bars. A plan is hatched, but seems to go awry as an unthinkable murder is committed, and the police have to hunt the men down in the next state. It's a crazy ride of a story. Buckle up!! Along the way, we find out if Ru Paul was ever in a rodeo parade, how easy it was to be on the run from the law in the 1970's, and whether it may be possible to commit the worst acts possible & not remember a thing!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday!!Please subscribe, rate, and review!Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!Head to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder!For merchandise: crimeinsports.threadless.comCheck out James and Jimmie's other show: Crime in Sports Follow us on social media!Facebook: facebook.com/smalltownpodInstagram: instagram.com/smalltownmurderTwitter: twitter.com/MurderSmall Contact the show: [e-mail] See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Wondery Plus subscribers can listen to Small Town Murder early and ad-free right now. Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. What if you married the love of your life and then stood by them as they developed 21 new identities? What would you do? This Is Actually Happening is a weekly podcast that features extraordinary true stories of life-changing events told by the people who lived them. Listen to the newest season of This Is Actually Happening on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. This week in Kiowa, Colorado, two people on the run find refuge with a family until they need to keep on and welcome back to Small Town Murder.

Yay! Oh, yay indeed, Jimmy. Yay indeed. My name is James Petrigallo. I'm here with my co-host. I am Jimmy Wissman. Thank you, folks, so much for joining us. God, are we excited

today this is uh we're pumped we're jacked up we got we're in between live shows we're home for a week so that's nice speaking of live shows november the 3rd yes phoenix arizona stand up live stand up live seven o'clock p.m it's a saturday night get your asses out there seriously this is our hometown so we have extra motivation to bring people we know my i have family coming from across the country to hang out at this show so this show is going to be great so if you're wondering i don't know get your asses there let's make the fucking van buren and gabby giffords yeah uh regret kicking us out yes uh so if anybody with the refunds with ticketicketmaster and all that,

we got on top of them, should be on top of them. They should have their shit together and giving you people refunds. We apologize that Ticketmaster is a very large end. It's like a ship and I feel like to turn anything around

really takes some effort. So it was a little messy. Not our doing. We apologize a lot for that. But please, please get those tickets to Phoenix and all the other live shows. San Francisco next. Next week.

Next up is San Francisco on the 1st of November. So get your asses over there. Cobbs is an awesome venue. It really is. We were there last year and it was great. Or six months ago. It was a lot of fun. So get out there and all the other shows are on there.

And honestly, most of them were pretty close to sold out. So close. So I would really, if you want to go to see any of the live shows in the next couple months, I'd buy the tickets now. Because if you wait till the week of or something they're probably not going to be don't tweet me so don't do that and go where's tickets they're here now they were there they were there and now they're not then right but now they are here that's this second so this second so do that thank you and thank you everybody for your itunes slash apple podcast whatever the hell purple icon reviews this week, you guys kill it for us every week.

We have the best audience in the world for that. We really do. Thank you guys for that so much. And if you haven't done it yet, please get on there. Give us five stars. It doesn't really matter what you say. It's not for our egos. So say whatever you feel.

Honestly, it's just for business. It helps drive us up the charts and all that sort of thing. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you for that. And thank you for Portland coming out. Yeah, Portland, you guys were awesome, man. You guys were great.

Portland sold out and on a nice theater and it was a pretty cool environment. We had a really fun show and got to meet everybody afterwards and fog out the green room a bit. And it was a lot of fun. So thank you guys for coming out to that. Definitely. And if you want to get any of these live show tickets, there's a place you can do it. It is shutupandgivememurder.com. It's your one-stop shop

for all things small-town murder and crime and sports. You get your merchandise. You get your tickets. There are links to become a superstar, fabulous, wonderful producer there also.

They will take you over. These links will take you over to patreon.com slash crimeandsports where you can make a donation there or over on PayPal using our email address, which is crime and sports at gmail.com. You can also make a donation there, one-time

deal, and goddammit, every cent's appreciated. So thank you guys for that. And without further ado, let's get to the disclaimer, because God knows we need it. Well, we don't need it, and most of you don't need it, but a couple of you need it. And for those people, we have to be here for it to kind of block them. We're playing defense here, and we have to block some people out that might not like it.

So we're going to save them trouble and us trouble of answering tweets telling them to eat shit. And I'll give you a disclaimer. This is a comedy podcast. It really is. We're comedians, so we're going to make jokes. There's jokes in there, but the facts are real the cases are real we're not doing anything too fancy to try to you know make it a better story or anything like that we don't do that switch none at all no bait and switch it's not how we do this uh honestly guys it's it's we say it before we laugh we go it's not that bad

it's not it's not that bad we're giving a disclaimer to tell you that there's jokes right that's what this disclaimer is for. Because if there's murder, you know there's murder. Obviously, the title of the show is Small Town Murder. Right there. It's right there. But what we try to do is we try not to make fun of the victims or of the victims' families. It kind of helps it because we're assholes, but we're not scumbags.

And that's the kind of rule we live by here. We think that makes it okay and fun. And so if that sounds good to you, damn it, we're going to have a good time. We're going to talk about some murder in a small town and we're going to have a blast. If that doesn't sound good to you and you think that true crime and comedy should never go together and you're not open to it, then you probably shouldn't listen to the show because we just told you that's exactly what it is. So those people have a good one.

Bye. Bye. Dateline. There's a lot of good stuff out there. There's plenty of stuff for you out there. You can listen to it. It's all good. But you're overrun with options.

We're not for you, probably. So have a good one. And whoever's left out there, hopefully lots of you. I know what you want, what you want to do. And you're in your offices. You're in your car. You're doing whatever you're doing. I don't care what environment you're in or how inappropriate it is.

I want you to shout at the top of your goddamn lungs. Shut and give me murder let's do this baby all right let's go on a trip jimmy what do you say i'm almost all tripped out i know this is gonna be worse too we have some it's gonna get hairy it's uh it's it's rough so uh this is this is a tough one but we're gonna go not that far this week okay we're gonna go well far from where we were last week in tennessee but we're gonna go all the way to color week. We're going to go, well, far from where we were last week in Tennessee. But we're going to go all the way to Colorado this week. By the way, just so you're aware, the amount of messages I got of how on the fucking nose you nailed Brentwood. Oh, Brentwood?

Yeah. Everybody was pretty excited about that. And by the way, Toby Keith lives there. Oh, he does? Okay. See, there you go. You had it right. All kinds of country stars live there.

You kind of figured that. Yeah, it's just the rich area and they all enjoy their tug closet, I guess. Everybody's got a tug closet. Well, this is Kiowa, either one. It's Kiowa. It's Kiowa. But you can also be saying, I looked it up. Trust me.

It's the Kiowa Indians is what it's named after. And they technically can be pronounced Kiowa or kiowa jesus so uh if so anybody who has a problem with that the however few people that live there as we'll get into uh you guys can take it up with the indians uh with the kiowa native american people well i'll tell you this uh being from colorado springs there's a street there called kiowa there you go and uh everybody there calls it fucking kiowa well there you go so you want to call it kiowa eat dicks yeah or colorado natives call it somebody says it's actually kiowa don't give me that it's not this is what it is so it's in the central part of the state a little in the northeast sort of it's about

an hour 20 to denver and about an hour from Colorado Springs. It's kind of in between the two. And off to the east. And off to the east, yeah. But like equal distance kind of almost from both places. It's like a triangle with those stories. Exactly. You make a triangle of Rocky Mountain shit pudding.

Yeah, it's beautiful. It's beautiful. But this place is a weird place. I'm sure it is. Denver is beautiful. We're going to be there. Yes, we are. Rocky Mountains are beautiful. That's almost

sold out. So if you're in Denver, I would get those tickets now. Yesterday. Yesterday. Yeah. Well, tomorrow's fine, too. Or today. Get them today. Probably yesterday. This is in Elbert County, which just sounds like a dude named Elbert wanted to have his own thing. That's a bad name.

It really is. It's a bad... I'm going to take all this land it's elbert county what's your name my name's elbert elbert and his cat it's in the panhandle part of the county oh the county's shaped like oklahoma really uh this is in the oklahoma panhandle portion of the state of that is that the only state that really looks like a pan do you know what i mean like yeah i guess oklahoma legit looks like a frying pan yeah it looks like a pan do you know what i mean like yeah i guess it looks like a frying pan yeah it looks like an upside down hat or a frying pan it really does like that yeah yeah well i don't know if it's fascinating to me because it is and then florida is a double panhandle as we've talked

about boomerang effect certainly too bounces right back at you for more more idiocy and panhandle behavior uh this country's a disaster so zip code 80117 uh area code 303 and 720 which there's so few people it's odd that they need two area codes they must have just overlapped and been like ah fuck these people have two someone's calling long distance before there was no cell phones with free plans uh it's 0.89 square miles my christ so not a big town at all it's just a spot up there in colorado in the middle of nowhere uh motto of this town uh a great place to hide no that's not their motto but it should be their motto because it would be a perfect they don't have a motto they don't care them their website looks like it's hard enough no their website looks like it's from like a prodigy project in 1993 it looks not good at all they really need an update on that goddamn website

motto it's terrible their website awful looking so i think just great place to hide because no one's looking for you there just it's off the beaten path and nobody cares you ever been through there being from colorado probably because i mean we've driven to what is it's kansas next door right yeah it's all flat shit and once you get out of once you get out of the mountains almost to the border it's fucking flat garbage that's shit it was part of the dust bowl for christ's sake over there yeah till they got to the mountain yeah well once you get once you get about i don't know a half hour 45 outside of denver yeah nothing really matters anymore no that's that's what i'm finding out that's what i'm finding out north it's fucking great north is a different story it's there's yeah it's beautiful land and

over here it's not it's just kansas which is flat yeah so uh this it's named for the kiowa people like we said uh settled in 1859 uh it was it's along the banks of the Kiowa Creek. And first it was just a stage stop, just a place to water your horses or whatever. There was a bunch of trails around there. The Butterfield Overland Dispatch and the Wells Fargo made their stops in Kiowa along the way to Denver. So it was a stop, and that's basically what it was.

Originally it was named Wendling, W-E-N-D-L-I-N-G, Wendling, after a guy who was there named Henry Wendling. Albert Wendling. That's Henry Albert Wendling. He ran the stage station, so he was the only guy there with a job, apparently. And he was one of the early people here. Sometimes it was in the 1860s, it was changed to Middle Kiowa. And who the hell knows? We have no idea why.

Well, there was a High Kiowa and a Low Kiowa, too. So then they called an area Middle Kiowa after that because they had no creativity. Colorado does that a lot. It's ridiculous. South Park is named for North, Middle, and South Park. That's ridiculous. I don't know why they do that so much. It could have been three completely different town names and everybody would have been happy.

There's still different towns. I don't understand why you named it. It's just confusing. It's just goddamn confusing. The Kiowa Indian tribe spent, well, it's weird that it's named after Kiowa to begin with because the Indian tribe were to the south of there, like a lot farther south. And they said that maybe up there was their summer hunting grounds. But outside of that, they didn't really.

But they weren't even positive about that. They just kind of named them there because they were close. That's the closest people they could find. But not even because the two main tribes there were the Cheyenne and Arapaho tribes. Which is the county in Colorado Springs. Yeah. And then they just named it after. El Paso is Colorado Springs spring there you go yeah and then they named it after this uh this tribe that isn't

from there so started off on a lie and they are embracing the fuck out of it they love it streams three different towns they're fucking into it man they are into it and they're a state over yeah ridiculous ridiculous so apparently they were the kiowa were plains people here they They're into it. And they're going to state over. Yeah. Ridiculous. Ridiculous. So apparently they were the Kiowa or Plains people here. They migrated south from western Montana into the Rockies and then down onto the southern plains there. By 1867, though, they were moved again, but this time to a reservation in southwestern

Oklahoma. There you go. So that's where they ended up. All of these stories end up like that. It was named after these people. They did this, this and this. And they ended up in Oklahoma on There you go. So that's where they ended up. All of these stories end up like that. It was named after these people. They did this, this, and this, and they ended up in Oklahoma on a reservation. Forced them to a dusty piece of shit. Every single one of these.

It's ridiculous, man. We dare you to grow corn there. Sorry about that. Yeah. Sorry about that, Native American people. That's pretty shit. We really fucked them over. You don't realize it until you really read history, and you're like, oh, that sounds

terrible. Jesus Christ. And not even just the history of the country. Oh, everywhere. Every town. Every town. Every town starts like this. You've heard this show. If you've listened to the towns, every town starts like this. There was native people here. There's a bunch of Indian people and we just said, we'll take that.

Thank you. And they ended up in a horrible place. There's usually a plague we set up on them. And no water. None none none at all so who the hell knows so uh it was uh incorporated uh in uh 1912 and they dropped to the middle and it became kiowa uh it was the it's the county seat in elbert county which of course caused problems here uh The middle coyote was given, they said that was a big honor to be the county seat. You get to hold shit and records and stuff. I think there's money involved in that.

There probably is. You probably get money. There's probably a few extra jobs in it that you can give to your political favors and shit like that. That year in 1874, four horse thieves were caught about 15 miles up the creek and brought into town before the judge uh they had a three-day trial over horse thieves thievery

through what the fuck is there to talk about for three days over horse thievery so it's not oj trial there's not dna there's not a you don't have to bring there's no kato kalin did you steal a horse from up the creek or not? What do we think? Yeah. But did he have the horse? Does it belong to him? OK. Cut and dry.

Pretty done here. But instead, three three fucking days this lingered on. And on the third night of the trial, a group of 50 masked men overpowered the sheriffs and deputies and stole the four men and loaded them into a wagon. Oh, no. They took them out to an outcropping of pine trees in the southeast of the town and uh the men were still shackled together and they hung them in twos shackled together so this was this wasn't a rescue party this was a uh an angry mob an actual yeah this was an angry mob over horse over horse

thievery three days is too fucking long i've had it i'm killing all fucking four of them i don't give a shit we'll do it brutal throw them over an aspen wow this is this is some deadwood shit right here two by two two by two yeah they were shackled together for christ's sake uh wow uh also too they had a big problem they had a real bloods and crips issue with the farmers and ranchers i'm not fucking around in the 1880s yeah fucking pussies with no animals yeah fucking pussies with no crops like what what are they fighting about farmers still have what what don't farmers need the shit from them to grow shit and then they to feed to you and we'll have a big circle of what the fuck is happening

what's happening in these towns wow what's going on uh it was split right down the middle ranchers lived on one side farmers on the other it is the it's a total gang thing here this is crazy they were there were even separate mercantiles banks blacksmiths shops saloons it was we don't have your we don't cater to your kind around here with overalls and hush-push-pagosh. How do you extra white trash the Hatfields and McCoys? This is fucking incredible. This is crazy. And the street, they said the shops were mirrored.

One side of the farmer's stuff and then the rancher's stuff. And the banks were right across the street from each other. And it was like the mirror replica of a town on the other side. It was like Rock Ridge. We'll make a fake one. It's a Blazing Saddles reference for you people. Legend has it here. I love legend has it.

This is from the town website that a rancher spotted a farmer that he didn't like on the other side of the street. I think it would be all of them. He had a pistol and he shot at this guy from the other side of the street. There he is. I don't know what this farmer could have done to piss him off. from the other side of the street. There he is.

I don't know what this farmer could have done to piss him off. He missed, and he hit a plow, and it ricocheted, and then killed a fellow rancher on the same side of the street. Oh, that's awesome. So he shot, ricocheted,

came back, killed his buddy. Bing pow poom, Bill! Fuck! God damn it! That must have been hilarious to watch. If I had a time machine, that's what I'd use it for. That's where I'm going.

To go right back to that exact time and see that happen and laugh my ass off at that. Because he wouldn't have the balls to shoot again. No. He'd be freaked the fuck out. So you could laugh at him all day. Ha, ha, ha, you dumb son of a bitch. Oh, that's amazing. Wow, that's awesome.

That's awesome. bitch. Oh, that's amazing. Wow. That's awesome. That's awesome. Uh, but they had, uh, the town was incorporated in 1912 and they, like I said, they dropped the middle part of it. They built a brick courthouse and had a, uh, they had a bear barbecue. I don't know what that is. What is that? I don't know. Is that a Colorado thing? I got a lot of feedback last time we were talking about bear steaks that that shit is gross. I would think it would be super fatty last time we were talking about bear steaks that that shit is gross. I would think it would be. It's super fatty like we were talking about. It's greasy and gross.

They have a whole barbecue about it. They have a whole cookout. I don't know if it's a cookout or if they had a brick courthouse with a dedicated bear barbecue. So I don't know if that's like getting a brick pizza oven except super weird and mountain-y. Or maybe it's like Honey Bear's barbecue downtown. They don't have any bear in there that shit is amazing it's just good barbecue thank god it's not bear no bear uh the county was named for samuel hit elbert as his name hit h-i-t-t he was the governor of the territory of colorado when it was formed so that's where he got elbert uh it was uh they they reduced the size of it in 1889 that

doesn't matter uh may 31st 1935 the worst flood ever to come to the whole area washed away part of the town always a flood always a fire every single time homes and businesses were destroyed the usual flood live stop stock swept downstream four people died which i mean that's not that many for a flood flood waters were described as a half mile wide 12 to 15 feet high and quote the speed of a fast horse yeah so i mean you can fuck fast i don't know how fast that is but you can imagine a horse runs pretty fast and the water going that fast would have been tough uh the townspeople had to rebuild after the rebuild after it was destroyed, which at least they didn't just walk away.

Got to admire their resiliency, but if you've got flimsy shit that washes away... I think they probably just built it better next time, too. And it's happened once? Yeah. Fuck out of here. Yeah, that's the other thing, too. We're not building back with concrete.

We're going to do the same shit we just did. Same shit. It's flammable and floats. Let's get the fuck out hasn't happened since 1935 so fingers crossed everybody uh we have it's got a bunch of rankings here in this website i saw uh it is uh america's number three in america's best cities for a healthy retirement well whatever the fuck that means uh still right now number well it's number three most and least risky places for identity Healthy retirement. Wow. Whatever the fuck that means. Still? Right now? Well, it's number three, most and least risky places for identity theft, which I don't know how it's both of those. Because they don't have computers.

Probably. Wait, least and most? Least and most, which I don't understand how you can- You can't do that. I don't know how you- It's ranked. It's both of them, I found. Number three-

What the fuck? That's what I said. I said, is this- What's the criteria? I had to read it five times. Per capita? I have no idea. It has to be per capita, obviously. Because it's a small town.

It's least likely because there's how many people? 600 or whatever? More likely because half of them have had their identity stolen. Sure, that's only 350 people, but still, it's out of town. Also, number three,ica's manliest sports cities whatever the fuck that means i don't know if that means they tolerate uh you know i have no idea athlete groping on the side i don't know they have cock offs what is this you can grope a fan it's grope a fan night so be careful ladies how manly of a sport can you get i mean football is

pretty fucking man i don't get it. There's no sports there. And there's no Kiowa. Number three, also, in cities on the edge of greatness for this one list, which I don't know what it's on the edge of. I'll tell you what it is on the edge of. It's number two in wrinkle-ranking cities at most risk for skin damage by 2040. So look out for that. Holy shit.

So you're going to be some leathery, manly son of a bitch just taking in your greatness. Getting your identity stolen. While your people thieve your identity left and right. It's going to be beautiful. Jesus, this town sucks. This town's a piece of shit. Sorry, Kyla.

But you know you're lacking. You knew it. 1920, they had 148 people. By 1980, there was 206 people. So they really- They doubled it over 60 years. It's not even. They added 50 people, basically.

Wait, what was the total? 1980, there's 206 people. 1920, 148. So they added 58 people in 60 years. So a person a year, basically. Good for you guys. But then it went up a little bit right now there's 748 people here okay which is up uh 172 percent since 1990 they had 275 in 1990

but now people are going to these small towns it's becoming a thing and driving up the prices as we'll find out too uh median age in this town 39.2 a couple years higher than the normal the average uh more females than males by a long shot here it's like 53 female which is just a weird anomaly that i'm going to chalk up to a low population and just you know you get weird numbers like that there's not even a thousand people so it's hard to really put these percentages it is what it is but it's not it's not that big of a sample size. A lot of kids there, a lot of young, young people, and a lot of people ages 65 to 74, which tells me that science there has expanded to the point where elderly ladies are having children.

Those are angly broads. That's what it is. And those people, they're probably not even 65. The people just looked at them and went, they got to be 65. They're only 42. Their skin is so ravaged by the, I don't know, sun or reflection off this fucking snow. I have no idea why. And they're cranking out kids for a new social security number.

Absolutely. They got to have those. Somebody ganked theirs. They need a new one. That's what's happening here. I'm telling you right now. We got to make a new one. Got to make a new one.

More married than usual here uh way less never married only 21 never married here which is normally about a third a little more widowed than normal twice as many divorced as normal also uh twice as many single with no children here so uh get yourself out there swinging with some skin damaged folks race of this town it's not too hard to feel here. 89% white, as you might imagine. 0.11% black. So, wow, that is not a lot of black people in a town of that size.

That's one dude. That's, well, it would be shit. It would be 11. 0.11? Jesus Christ, that is not a lot. 0.11%? 0.11 out of a thing. Jesus, that'd be 11 out of a thousand. Yeah, that's less than 10 dudes. That's bad. That's not a lot of 0.11%. 0.11 out of a thing. Jesus, that'd be 11 out of 1,000.

Yeah, that's less than 10 dudes. That's bad. That's not a lot of money. That's really bad. Yeah, that's not great. 2.08%. Our math is probably well wrong, by the way. It's on the fly, and neither of us have slept, so you get what you get.

Sorry. 2.08% Asian, which is about half the norm. A few more Native Americans than normal normal but it's still only one percent and a 6.34 percent hispanic so pretty fucking white here it's very colorado it's very yeah it seems to be the makeup of colorado outside of the broncos yeah so uh you know 15.3 percent of the people here are religious 15.3 is that the lowest that yet. Wow. I'm going to move there just for this. This is terrific. You guys have figured that shit out already.

Skin damage be damned. I don't give a fuck. Yeah. God damn it. Skin damage and Jesus to the side. I don't care. So 15%. Normal's about 50-50.

1.3% Baptist. You got about 4.5% Catholic. 3.2% LDS. It snows there. So they're going to be blending right in there. And it's close to Utah. And it's close to Utah. Any of those mountain areas, they're in there.

0.0% Jewish. They're like, I don't think so. 0.0% Muslim. No, thank you. They don't want the... They're not into this town either. 25% of the people here voted Democrat in the last presidential election. 72.5% voted Republican. so strong strong uh conservative town here uh unemployment rates about 3.2 percent

that of course doesn't count the elderly people who i'm sure aren't working they better not be lazy bastards out there what are you doing you're 80 years old just sitting around relaxing all day 28 but resting your weary bones are you i'm 28 and still lazy sorry just look like shit 25 and i'm just look terrible i'm ravaged by the sun just had a baby though so there's that and uh and uh can you don't have a social security number i could use do you because i got that's a problem also that i need to work out. Unemployment rate here, like I said, 3.2%. The household income here is just about normal. Average is $53,482.

Here it's $52,778. So we're pretty close to normal. A lot of the jobs, construction, it's about three times as much construction because it's up 172% in population. So they're buying shit faster than people can buy it. They're buying shit faster than people can build it. Some educational services because a lot of people work at the college that's nearby there. So food services is actually less than normal, which a town like this, I guess there's not a lot of restaurants. I'm not sure.

Cost of living, 100 being average par normal. Cost of living is 148 here here so it's a little bit high and the thing that's the most high is housing which is a 222 uh median home cost here 415 thousand six hundred dollars to live in a town of 748 people 400 grand in the middle of nowhere right in the middle right it's ridiculous wow now they have a lot of houses here that are worth less that are like older than 20 of the houses are worth less than 20 000 so they have that 20 those are like older ones that are you know whatever run down older ones and then there's all the new ones are expensive and if we've convinced you by our praise and love of kiowa colorado to move there we have for you the Kiowa, Colorado Real Estate Report.

The average two-bedroom rental here goes for about $1,640. The balls. The balls on you. But that's actually, it's like twice as much to buy a house, so that's like not that much higher than the average. So it seems like renting is the thing to do here.

I found a two bedroom, two bath, 1600 square foot little home that needs some work. It's a little messed up. 249,000 flat for it. I found a lot of like vacant lots, a lot of properties and things like that. But these are just houses here. Found a three bedroom, three bath three-bath, 1,779-square-foot house. It's a little more up-to-date, and it's not too bad. $344,800.

Then I found a three-bedroom, two-bath, 3,339-foot house on 120 acres. It's just a lot of flat land for you. $975,000. About a million about a million about a million but at least you get 120 acres i mean if that's what you're into that's pretty dope it's pretty cool yeah uh things to do here um obviously it's going to be just overwhelmed with things to do in this in this area get a job to pay your fucking mortgage job to get three jobs and all the drive an hour 20 to denver work there then shoot down to colorado springs take down take your next shift it's fucking rough man my christ the uh kiowa pumpkin festival baby oh shit come on down join us right now oh it's it's happening yeah

right now get your asses out there join us for a morning of fun pumpkins are free to the kids while supplies last so who knows how long there's so many supply, how much supply there is. There will be carnival games and trick or trunk, whatever the fuck that is. Hot cider and hot chocolate. And Mark, Mark, your calendars for exclamation points. All of them. Don't forget that at all. Trigger trunk is when they wait.

Well, it's usually called trunk or treat. Trigger trunk sounds like a fucking game you play with somebody you're fucking it sounds like something that someone would take you in a basement and say we're going to play Trigger Trunk and you're going to end up in a gimp mask with your butthole hurting I think they meant to do Trunk or Treat and fucking mixed it up

probably who knows it's usually in a parking lot people back up their car did they test nuclear weapons in this area because maybe that's the problem i'm not sure but something's wrong with these people truck fucking idiots also there's a rodeo and a parade in elizabeth which is nearby and it says this is the quote from here quote we can't think of a better way to kick off rodeo weekend than with a parade who could bring the kids and the grandparents and the neighbors yeah everybody you know to enjoy columns of horses rodeo queens which i want to see if it comes with the road i saw the picture and it was a bunch of like young

freaky looking girls with big blonde hair with hats on but i really wanted to be rodeo queens a lot riding through this town That's so fucking bad. Oh, just freak this town out. That'd be awesome. I would go to that. That'd be so cool. Rupal on the horseback? Just all sorts of, yeah, that'd be great.

Rupal and all his friends just parading through. Hi, y'all. Hey, y'all. Oh, I would love it. People just with their kids and grandparents go all freaked out in a 700 person town going i don't understand what's up what's happening here what's that they fire off a shot it comes back hits one of the other ones damn it not again a bunch of yosemite sams in this town we can't think of a better thing to do with the rodeo than a parade because

every rodeo has a parade and we're out of fucking ideas that's it we can't think because we thought of trick or trunk yeah they're all messed up rodeo queens from all over the region fire trucks and antique cars there's something for everyone see that's wink wink it's their queen queens rodeo queens at the elizabeth stampede rodeo parade it looks super weird i I'm just going to say that. Crime rate in this town, what we're interested in, the meat, the heart of the matter here. Property crime is less than average, about 20% under the average. It's a little bit low.

Violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and assault. Don't forget about assault. The Mount Rushmore of crime is about one-third below the average. So it's a pretty safe little town. It's got expensive houses, but it's not that affluent. It's a very kind of interesting town. And we're going to go all the way back to, we're going to start

here in 1976. We're going to get to this town in about 1979. That's why I told you how many people were there in 1980. It's about 200 people in this town when we're dealing with this. So a very small amount of people. It's a 200 people in this town when we're dealing with this. So very small amount of people. It's a very small town. You know, it's kind of out by itself out there, especially in 1980. It's just a...

Oh, Jesus. It was further than an hour in 1980. Yeah. It's out there. I don't know what the highway system has improved since then in Colorado. I'm not sure. Colorado Springs and Denver have gotten so big now. Like Colorado Springs is only like 300,000 people, but it's so stretched it like when you drive from colorado springs to denver it's 60 miles i know the two but it's like legitimately five minutes of actual wildlife well i know the the uh the denver airport is in east colorado springs as a matter of fact so that's if you've ever been to the denver airport you're like what

city are we in now still denver really because i haven't seen a fucking thing yet where's that goddamn horse i haven't seen close i have not seen john elway once so i don't believe you i'm sorry i feel like he greets everyone they've got a horse with these glowing red eyes yeah yeah that you see that and you go cool we're about halfway to the airport it's coming hey everybody just gonna take a quick break from the show to tell you about a really cool It's coming. Hey, everybody. Just going to take a quick break from the show to tell you about a really cool new sponsor, Care Of.

TakeCareOf.com. Oh, it is so cool. Care Of is a monthly subscription vitamin service that delivers completely personalized vitamin and supplement packs right to your door. This is seriously cool stuff, and you can be a vegan and a vegetarian. They have supplement options which match your dietary needs that can help you. Your vitamins get delivered right to your door, personalized, easy-to-remember daily packs, perfect for a busy, on-the-go lifestyle like we know all of you have out there. Care-of puts honesty first, providing all the research that supports each of their recommendations, backed by a scientific advisory board.

Care of also, they have a really, their online quiz that you start out with is actually pretty fun. You get to find out some stuff about you. They ask a little bit about you, your diet, your health goals, lifestyle choices. It takes like five minutes. It's actually pretty cool. You kind of learn some stuff about yourself, too. cool. You kind of learned some stuff about yourself too. 90% of people fall short of the FDA-required guidelines, recommended guidelines for at least one vitamin or nutrient. So we're all deficient, guys. We're all deficient. Take the care of quiz and get the vitamins you need

to get back on track and reach your health goals. For 25% off now, our listeners, you guys, for 25% off your first month of personalized care of vitamins, visit TakeCareOf.com and enter Small Town. That's all you have to do. TakeCareOf.com, enter the code Small Town, and 25% off your first month of personalized care of vitamins. TakeCareOf.com, code SMALLTOWN. And now back to the show. Well, we go back to 1976. We'll start there. We'll start in St. Cloud, Minnesota, as a matter of fact.

We're going to start there, which is Minnesota outside Minneapolis. There's a woman there named Bev Servio. She is kidnapped at this point. She's kidnapped. It's her and her nine-month-old daughter are in a car, and they're kidnapped. It's horrible. The complaint for this kidnapping, they talk about it's a quote, this is 70s language too, so I mean

think about how bad this must have been for 70s language because in the 70s they were kind of like, you know, with sexual assaults they were just like, eh, whatever. She got felt up a little. They weren't real sensitive to shit in the 70s is what we're saying. They call this a quote, aggressive sexual assault

which sounds like brutal in 70s language. This Bev Servio was stripped below the waist. The man assaulting her, he stripped below the waist. He was armed with a knife and he forced her to drive. So he's a naked man with a knife sitting in your passenger seat while you got your nine-month-old daughter in the back seat, which sounds like the most terrifying thing in the world. This Bev was smart, and she drove her car off the road and discombobulated the whole thing, grabbed her kid out of the back seat and ran for her life through the woods, basically, to get away from this man.

After the rape? This was afterwards, yeah. Made her drive afterwards, and that's when she pulled over because he was making her drive out so he could go kill her he's gonna go kill her and her kid and she said quote i knew i knew i would have been dead he would have killed me and my daughter that was her quote and so she was smart to get away i mean at that point she had nothing to lose i think she was like fuck it take it off the road and see what happens here maybe he'll go through the windshield zero stuff yeah yeah exactly i don't think he put a seat belt on no he fucking might have pinned down his pants

so that's what i mean well if you don't have pants i don't think you're taking proper safety measures at all uh now uh this guy the end up the perpetrator of this uh was a man or i guess alleged because we'll find out why we have to kind of say that, but he did it, was a guy named Michael Bartoszewski. He's 17 years old at the time. So for a 17-year-old to do something this complicated, to kidnap a woman, to be that aggressive. Because most kidnap rapists, when they see the baby, that's that's out of that's not in their plan well it's just not in their plan it's an extra pain in the ass they got to deal with yeah i know i know what you're saying it's a turn off to the committing yeah it's like turn off like

like an ignition right turn off like the whole thing shuts down exactly maybe that's one area where we probably need to choose our words very carefully. Extremely carefully. Extremely. That was a real dumb thing to say. Extremely carefully. We caught it. It's fine. We explained what we're talking about. Okay. So, yeah, for a 17-year-old to not care to kidnap a woman, aggressively sexually assault

her at 17, usually that's very difficult. 17-year-olds, judging by the Mindh hunter book the john douglas book when he's talking about how they develop and how killers develop usually when they see when it's like an elderly person uh someone who's defenseless something like that that's when they think it's a teenager a lot of times because they think it's somebody who is getting started and they picked it what they think is an easy target and they'll work their way up to a uh you know regular powering a woman that's yeah a jogger or somebody like that somebody that they're whatever uh but this and with a dismount

with a plan of like taking her in the woods to kill pantsless yeah pants pantsless fuck pants yeah no murder pants for this guy it's a brave man yeah he's got a murder nutsack this guy uh so this is ridiculous man that's just i can't the future that hold this what the future holds for this kid is the sky's the limit uh as far as this goes uh so uh yeah he is uh he he's uh sparta shesky's had some juvenile problems as you might imagine yeah he's not it's not like it's super weird uh he's a straight-a student captain of the football team class president and treasurer which i don't know how he had time for both while quarterbacking the football team and all that plus he dates the head cheerleader so that was a lot of time for him 4-h and all that 4-h and all

that shit and then one day stripped to the waist kidnaps a mother and baby and rapes her horribly and tries to kill her in the fucking woods holy shit that doesn't happen normally no there's there's signs uh he was convicted of a lot of little things as a as a juvenile uh he was just kind of a juvenile menace tear away uh he's convicted of running away from home a couple times how many times do you have to be run away before they actually charge and convict you of it you know the first couple times you're just going to bring it back to your parents you're not going to jail you know but after a while it's like for christ's sake we're tired of looking for this shithead he's going to fucking jail and also felony theft of

an auto which he's stealing cars as a teenager it's escalation he's got a lot of escalation uh his last his last arrest uh came before this was in august the year before for allegedly stealing a cb radio texas tinder it is the mid 70s that was the height of technology stolen midland it August the year before for allegedly stealing a CB radio, Texas Tinder. It is the mid seventies. That was the height of technology. Stolen Midland stole a CB radio and a radar detector, which was hot shit technology back then. What do you rob a big rig from a truck parked in the city?

So this is what I mean. But that's ballsy to go into a truck and take that dude's usually asleep. Oh, he could be in the back in the sleep. You don't want to fuck with those. No, he'll come out and say a fucking wrench at you those guys are they're defending their home at that point they're sleeping there that's of course they're insane

get out of my fucking house i'll break your fucking skull open so that's ballsy so he's escalating steals a car breaks into shit he's doing i don't even know if that's an escalation that might be a parallel move but he's doing a a bunch of shit. He's fanning out his criminal palate, I guess. He's doing whatever. Now, he's charged with felonies against her. Four felonies. The sexual assault and kidnapping. All sorts of shit.

Time's two. Yeah. Also, theft of an automobile because he made her. All sorts of shit. I don't remember if it was attempted murder or not. But I don't think so. The dick out thing should be a thing, too. The dick out thing, just driving with your dick out, I think, is an extra charge against the driver's will, which would be a definite charge.

He ended up being released on that charge, the CB radio. He was released from jail on a $5,000 bond on that one. And then he's also arrested here and he's bonded out again uh after this assault in 1976 you can bond out on a vicious right apparently they end up they end up the charges are pending and in by 1978 they still haven't nothing's happened yet it is uh that's how uh aggressive they were with aggressive sexual assault in the 70s they were just like i don't know if he comes around don't you do we'll pick him up yeah stop that up you put your dick away mister uh november let you out you swear to keep

pants on you're gonna keep your pants on the whole time right all the time right no matter who you talk to now we know you're full of shit then he said all right all right he's shrugging all right so uh 1978 comes around uh november of 1978 he's in nevada at this point he has run away uh obviously there he's not supposed to be leaving minnesota with these horrible charges pending against him and he also has other charges pending against him, for thievery and all that other shit. So he's in Nevada hitchhiking. So he's got a great future right away. You know, he's 19 years old, 20 years old, hitchhiking through Nevada while wanted on sexual assault warrants in Minnesota. This is just shaping up to be a hell of a life he's got going.

Too bad he quit the football team, huh? The more terrifying part is that oh he's a he's about to be picked up ticking time bomb man yeah he's hitchhiking it's so scary he's the reason you don't pick up hitchhikers no damn it well this is even worse no this is what i thought too the whole time of the i see at the beginning of the story i'm reading of these documents and i'm like he's hitchhiking oh no yeah some woman going to pick him up and something bad's going to happen. Somehow it gets worse, actually, than that. He finds a friend is what he finds instead.

This is fucking ridiculous. This is what I mean. Sometimes, every once in a while, we have these chance meetings of people that it's just a bad cocktail. And God damn it, I wish that person would have stayed where they were five extra minutes and not cross that person's path yeah and that's where we are right now oh boy uh he finds a man picks him up a young man uh named boyd tar water which is a fantastic name for a 70s scumbag uh sidekick to a shithead doesn't it yeah boyd tar water that sounds like like b team of the manson club the manson clan doesn't it our water tar water he came in after all them after they killed sharon tate and all that was done he came in afterwards and looked for like souvenirs and shit and they like said tar water

get in there and fucking sweep around and make sure that you got everything how's your how's your uh penistar how are you you're doing all right paint that shit up you know how to write pig y'all know how to spell so uh this guy now by the way i i michael barda sheska barda shesky wasn't going anywhere in particular wasn't like where are you headed he's just like wherever the fuck your car's going just away from here just don't stay in the same place too long and be a drifter be a wanted drifter yeah i guess uh so boyd also has no real specific destination either he's his only destination is east away from california because he is a wall from the navy oh so he's yes he's uh he's a wall from the navy driving a truck that he stole in guadalupe california holy fuck into ne Nevada, picking up a pantsless sexual assaulter armed with a knife. So this is insane.

Can you imagine that conversation? Where are you going? Anywhere but here. I'm wanted about two states over. You too? You too. Oh. Let me tell you.

Name's Boyd. Nice to meet you. Sick as hell. If you couldn't say I stuck my hand out, that's why I need to go to a live show. Name's Boyd. Just a pleasure to meet you. Just a heck. If you couldn't say I stuck my hand out, that's why I need to go to a live show. Name's Boyd. Just a pleasure to meet you. Just a pleasure.

Saddle up, partner. You are not going to believe this story. Wow. See this truck? That ain't even mine. I stole it. Where? Guadalupe, California.

Who the hell cares? I don't know. Guada, I don't know. Who gives a shit because it's my truck now. Woo. Climb up. So these two are a match made in fucking heaven, obviously. Or hell. Or hell or whatever.

These two, AWOL from the Navy. Funny part is, I have a friend that I used to, this guy I used to hang out with, and I loved him because all of his stories were insane because half of them would start out with sentences like, and this is an actual start of his sentence. He goes, so I was AWOL from the Navy. And I'm like of his sentence he goes so i was a wall from the navy and i'm like what because i was a wall from the navy i took off a few times i'm like

what the fuck are you talking about all of his stories start out like that like you know so i'm on a weekend leave from the fucking prison camp and uh you know i decide to go down to honduras for the day i'm like what are you what you can't. Like, he's shit like that. He's insane. So I feel like this is that guy kind of, except that guy things turned out well for. Yeah. This one, Boyd, we'll find out how Boyd Tarwater turns out here. You never go AWOL and end up in another country. That's a terrible problem. Well, yeah, because then where are you going to get back or how are you going to go between

borders? They're looking for you. And if you get in trouble there, you are in so much trouble. You disappeared without leave. You're in deep shit. So much trouble. You're in deep shit here. And he's in deep shit.

And I feel like the mid-70s, the late 70s, people were fleeing the Navy like crazy and driving eastward. You want a story? I'll tell you a story. I got you a story. I got you a story. So I took my friends to Tijuana and we got really drunk. They were in the Navy. They didn't have chits. I've told that part of a story. I got you a story. I got you a story. So I took my friends to Tijuana, and we got really drunk. They were in the Navy.

They didn't have chits. I've told that part of this story. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll tell you the rest of the story. It's a great fucking story. We almost got in trouble because we were in the bars in Tijuana drinking, and then we heard these loud whistles, like police whistles, like a referee whistle, that whistle. Yeah.

And we started panicking because we didn't know what was going on then like this group of people start running towards us and we're all looking at each other like what the fuck's gonna happen and they jammed tequila came they jammed tequila bottles in our mouth and tipped our head back and shook our heads around and they did this like six eight times we were shithouse drunk and we get out on the street and we are so drunk we don't know where we are i'm like what do we do where we go and we just drove there so we've got to drive back to america at some point and i feel like a little tug on my pocket and i look back somebody's trying to pick my pocket so i smack a hand and i'm like we need to get inside somewhere i'm out of my there was something else other than tequila in that bottle and i am now yeah they're definitely poisoning losing my mind yeah we go into a bar

in tijuana this isn't an ethnic thing. This happens to be a strip club. An actual, yeah. If you're a Tijuana strip club, you take what you get. We wander into back rooms. It's like a hallway lined with doors, and we all go into a door. And then strippers came in, one for me, one for everybody else. Long story short, got some penicillin and everything was fine.

Got a lap dance, and these titties, they were amazing. The greatest things I've ever felt. And then she like slid my hands down her belly to her. There was a dick, James. Well, yeah. You're in a Tijuana strip club. Anything that happens, you go, all right, because that's where you are. I felt it.

I felt the dick and I walked out and I'm like, I was resigned to keeping this story to myself. You're like, that's fine for you, but I'm'm gonna go home now i'm not what i'm into the doors popped open and i was like we gotta go and they're like you're damn right we gotta go and i was like you guys got dudes too it was a fucking like a transsexual strip club anyway well you don't know anything you don't leave the country without permission yeah Yeah. And you don't go to shit countries like that where you're going to get in trouble. And people are going to say now Jimmy is transphobic. No. It has nothing to do with transphobic.

It has to do with in a sexual situation, he prefers to not have another penis around. That's all it is. That's literally all it is. And when your shit was drunk, it was terrifying. And it's fine. Whatever you're into, whether you want a penis or not, or you don't care that's all fine and jimmy in particular you like to be warned he'd rather to not have another penis he'd rather his penis be the one there the most horrifying thing has ever happened to me well because you're not expecting it it's not scary so i'm surprised these two didn't end up in the same place i really

am not like these two should have ended up in the uh what's the tarantino fuck dust till dawn they should have ended up there i feel like that the Tarantino fuck? Dust Till Dawn. Dust Till Dawn, yeah. They should have ended up there. The Titty Twister. I feel like that's where they were heading. Doesn't it feel like it? Like, someone's going to turn into a vampire. Weird shit's going to happen here.

Super fucked up. So, these two get to be buddies on the road. It doesn't take long. They're kindred spirits. They're a couple of on-the-run 70s dirtbags. I mean, what the hell do you want here? And Bartoszewski's like a skinny, squirrely dude with glasses and kind of shaggy hair and 70s looking he's very i don't know he's kind of a i don't want to say domery but that

not he doesn't look anything like domer but he's that kind of type yeah like just kind of a squirrely glasses wearing i see him in one of those jean jackets with like the wool on the car oh it was the 70s i'm sure he had some fringe hanging from it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know it. And he's just like, ah, man, I just want to keep on trucking. Just let me in. We'll get in the convoy and we'll hit it up.

Those are all the 70s references I really have right now. Name's Boyd. Name's Boyd. We're going to get along just fine. Funniest guy. You can ride up front with me. So they get to be buddies enough to where Michael suggests that come with me so uh uh they get to be buddies enough to where uh michael suggests that uh come with me to colorado i know a place in colorado where i could possibly get a job yeah from a guy who

owes me money now i don't know who owes a 20 year old rapist from another state money i don't know how he how this who the fuck borrowed money from him who how did that happen how did he have expendable to loan to loan a thing to give that it owed money for a product a good a service anything what the fuck did he do to earn this money i have no idea but he tells he tells old boy tar water here if you come with me to colorado maybe both of us can get jobs from this guy that owes me money so uh seems fair enough if you're a drifter who's awOL from the Navy and this guy brings up you can go get a cash job. You're like, what the hell? Let's do it.

So they end up heading to Colorado. And shocker, they head to Kiowa, Colorado is where they end up. They end up, the man who owes Michael money, allegedly, or whatever, is a guy named Richard Talbot. So Richard Talbot here. Him and his wife, Nancy, live in Kiowa, and they have four children, and they live in a home in Kiowa, Colorado. So they're hanging out, and these two show up in the driveway.

A great sight. This is the thing. If you're married and have kids and shit, you don't want one of your buddies to pull up. You don't want one of your buddies. Even if it's your buddy, you're like, oh, fuck, he's here unannounced. She's going to bitch about this. There's no way she's going to be happy with this. And I don't blame her because it was the other way around.

I'd be like, why are you fucking telling me people are coming over? Don't just drop in. Instead, it's two dirtbags fresh off the road in a stolen truck, AWOL from the Navy and wanted for rape in another state going, hey, how you doing, Richard? Let me say, hi, kiddo. I'm Boyd. though it's fucking ridiculous this is not what you want pulling in your driveway do you see this the sign out front of my house that said uh a fugitive storage no yeah no fugitive this is one of those where you just close the curtains hit the deck kids and everybody lie on the floor perfectly still answer the door don't answer the door whatever you do don't answer it

uh so they arrive there in late november tar water and uh and uh this lunatic here michael uh bardeshevsky uh so they arrive there uh talbot ends up shockingly enough because this sounds like a total bullshit flake scenario too there's a guy there's a fella stayed over owes me money i bet he'll give us some work yeah that does not sound promising that's so that's how little prospects they had that they shrugged and went all right and did that that does not sound like a thing that you drive another state for it's not a real secure thing it's a hell of a plan it's a hell of a plan nobody texted him ahead of time go hey rich can you maybe hook me up with that? Hey, Dickie Talbot, maybe you got a job for me? He just shows up.

And this guy was probably so scared of these guys where he's like, I'll just get him a job. Fuck it. I don't know. Strongarm somebody. Yeah, I don't know. Or maybe he's a really nice guy because this is above and beyond. And this reminds me of Satanic Bill a lot, who I've talked about in Crime and Sports. The gentleman who was an older gentleman who came to town with the carnival and my friend somehow ended up letting him live in his basement

of his parents house and they ended up getting him in trouble robbing a concession stand thing and a bunch of people ended up getting arrested and satanic bill went to prison because he had a long record and he sent letters to my friend kevin telling him he was going to kill him from prison which was fucking hilarious watching how scared my friend Kevin telling him he was going to kill him from prison, which was fucking hilarious. Watching how scared my friend was of this crazy guy who he called Satanic Bill was going to murder him when he got out. And he was telling him how he was going to murder him and everything else. It was pretty goddamn entertaining. Four sweet tarts and pixie sticks on your fucking throat.

That's it. And he got out of prison. Let him move back into the house. Swear to God. Didn't kill him. At that point, he started carrying around a gun in his waistband and shit and i'm like okay that's enough for satanic bill he was the one i described people smoking crack on crime and sports that's our he was the one who introduced the crack to these guys which is funny he was the satanic bill brought the crack satanic bill was

the pied piper of crack a carny a traveling carny freak who decided to stay behind. Shocking, right? Pied Piper of crack. The Pied Piper of crack he was. So these people, that's what you want. Living in your fucking, your fucking shithead kid. In a teenager's basement. This guy was like 26 and my friend was like 16 and he's living in his bed.

How did he talk his parents into that? That's what I'm trying to think of. How did the parents go, let's let this 26-year-old carny into our fucking basement around. They had like five kids. Let's let him sleep in the basement. I'm sure it'll be fine. I'm sure that won't go wrong. And it didn't until they were all arrested and death threats came forthcoming.

I found these clear tubes with a bulb on the end. What is this for? It's all black. That's weird. I don't know. don't know very strange isn't it call it a glass dick mom yes yeah let me explain it to you it's a light bulb that blew out don't worry about it specialty bulb what the fuck is going on oh man but this this talbot gets them a job gets them both a job wow it actually worked they drove all the way there and on it it all sounds like it's not first of all you're gonna get you're not gonna make it there in a stolen truck they're gonna end up getting arrested or and then when you do get there you're not gonna

be able to find this guy or when you do he's gonna go i don't know what the fuck you're talking about i don't owe you money or he'll say i do owe you money here's your hundred bucks i'm not getting you a fucking job there's so many things that are going to possibly go wrong instead everything goes right for uh bardeshevsky and uh and uh tar water uh this richard talbot gets them a job at his his landscaping business because he owns it so that makes sense and if that's not enough goodwill and amazingly nice things he lets them share a basement room not only a basement room. Not only a basement room, okay? Not like you two take the basement. His 12-year-old son lives down there, too. What?

So you two bunk up with my 12-year-old and I'm sure you're going to be a great influence on him. AWOL man and aggressive sexual assaulter. This is going to be great for everyone. We're trying to teach him things. We're trying to teach him worldliness. Tell him how to be on the run and maybe

had a hot wire a 74 Chevy truck at a Guadalupe that you still got sitting in my fucking driveway there's still this is the thing too they keep this truck the whole time they're there like they're just this is just they pretend it's their truck with out of state plates on it from another stolen like what

the fuck is happening in this town that no one's even i get there's only 200 people there but no one's checking anything the cops should even be like uh haven't seen that truck oh it's from california maybe we should check on that look at those two complete dirt bags inside maybe we'll just run the plates just run the they're the only two dirt bags i haven't seen around so let's just run their plates i'm bored because it's kiowa fucking colorado's 200 people here jesus christ i just got called because someone's kiowa fucking colorado's 200 people here jesus christ i just got called because someone's grandmother farted and they didn't like the

smell that's the goddamn that's the calls i'm getting on a tuesday afternoon i'm not happy so they're letting these two dirt bags share a room with their 12 year old son in the basement yeah while working for his landscaping company i don't know if he's just the nicest man around this talbot or i have no idea and has no self preservation. It's November. It's cold there. Yeah.

Maybe he doesn't have enough landscapers. That's true. Yeah. That's weird for Colorado. Yeah. They might quit in this fucking winter. And it's the end. It's the it's right around Thanksgiving time, too.

Maybe he's feeling some holiday goodwill. And these two guys come with a picture jacket that's not quite thick enough. And I wonder if I could get a job. And there's turkey in the table. And there's a fire going. Come on in. Feeling real Norman Rockwell. And he's like, oh, fuck.

It's like trapped in paradise. Come on in, guys. We got sleeping bags. Let's just bring everybody. We'll have a few guys just camp out in the basement. It's going to be fine. I'll get you jobs. Is that John Lovitz, Dana Carvey, and Nicolas Cage trapped in paradise?

That's such a great movie. It's so stupid. It is stupid. And it's just the same fucking thing. It's the same movie. They robbed a bank and they couldn't get out. It's like The Ref. They robbed a thing and they can't get out.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is a good movie, too. I like that one. Kevin Spacey. Kevin Spacey's great. And Catherine O'Hara, man. Yeah, she's fucking. She is really.

She's rip-roaring in that movie. The mother is the greatest in that movie the mother yeah the mean mother's so great yeah when uh i think jenis leary says lady your husband ain't dead he's hiding that's a great line right there never forget that shit so uh anyway this mess of a of a shithole here this slipper socks, medium. Medium. Slipper socks, medium. That's hilarious. That's amazing. So all the way we go to December 15th, 1978.

So they've been in town almost a month with a stolen car. How do you do that? Stolen truck. I have no idea. Stolen truck driving around sharing a basement with a 12-year-old doing cold weather landscaping, which I don't know. Are you fucking shaping weather landscaping, which I don't know. Are you fucking shaping snow at this point? What are you doing around there? Trimming trees that are bending from the ice.

I guess. I don't know what the hell's going on. So that night, Michael and Mr. Tarwater there, Boyd, they decide to spend the evening bar hopping because, hey, they're young landscapers out on the town. Why not? That's a quick hop. There's only probably two or three. That's probably not a lot.

There's 200 people in this town. I can't imagine how many bars. I'm sure there's other little towns around. Let's go check out the rodeo parade. I hear they got rodeo queens. I want to see that. Let me tell you something, boy. We'll head to Tijuana after that.

So they leave the Talbot house just as Richard's arriving home. So he's arriving home and these two are leaving. He's probably like, thank fuck, get these two out of the house for a while. They said, hey, come out and join us. Come, you know, come party with us. And he said, I'm good, thanks. Just getting home from work and I'm going to go inside. It's Friday.

I'm going to go inside. It's pizza night with the kids. You know how that is. We're got to hook this up here. Friday nights are great. Friday nights are good stuff. So now they end up Talbot and Michael. This is funny. They have a short argument at this point in the driveway.

First, they say, come on, hang out with us. And he's like, I'm going inside. And he's like, so then they go, well, how about that money you owe me? Why don't you give me that money you owe me? This is Michael asking Talbot for some money. I don't know if it's money he owes him for work or the other shit. I have no idea. Michael apparently believes that Talbot owes him money, but Talbot also believes Michael owes him money.

Yeah. It was Talbot money. So they're just going back and forth arguing with you owe me money. Now you owe me money, which is an insane conversation. And I kind of feel bad for Tarwater at that point. Jesus, I'm in the middle of this god i don't know anybody money i mean i picture uh i picture talbot looking in the driver's window while boyd drives and uh and michael's in the passenger seat and boyd's just trying to lean and he's pulling his head back like you guys it's all right you're

spitting on my face guys i'm getting spit from both of you pushing his head into the b pillar back as far as he can i don't know what's happening here yeah this is just a single gap i wish i got i wish i had stolen a bigger truck now the seat's back all the way damn it shit never mind i'm against the back wall i'm against the window guys there's nothing more i could do quit spitting on me so uh uh they get in an argument here now talbot says all right it's friday night i'm fucking tired i've had enough he just says let's just talk about it tomorrow we'll talk about it tomorrow morning it's just you're going out to party i want to go inside we're not going to we're not going to agree on

this right now let's agree to disagree talk about it in the morning uh so that's what they do michael and boyd drive off uh to party it up that evening they go to several bars that night like i said they must have gone to four counties back to find them that back then. Or it might have been a town of 200 people with five bars in it, which those happen. Yeah. So they spend the evening visiting a bunch of bars. They played pool at a fucking grand old time, played pool, drank beer, everything. Over the course of the evening, they end up visiting the stage coach in and Frank town, Colorado.

So, I mean, they're just going from small town. I hear there's a bar over in that town because they're not from here. What the fuck do they know? They're just asking around where are their bars. Blazing drunk down county roads. That's it, yeah. Just shit-faced in a stolen car with sexual assault charges and AWOL from the Navy floating over you. See, imagine living that free.

Imagine living like that. floating over you see imagine living that free imagine living like that how paranoid about you for being are you being one late day late on your fucking electric bill seriously i don't want to turn my shit off like we're paranoid about these guys who are just screaming down the street warrants for their arrest fucking flying in the wind out of the window while they're in a stolen vehicle stolen vehicle out of state driving Drinking and driving. Drinking and driving with hardcore rape charges and federal fucking fleeing charges from the unbelievable stuff. From the U.S. government. From the U.S. government.

Unreal. This is truly a free existence right here. This is some white privilege. This is some white trash privilege. This isn't white privilege. There's white privilege and then there's white trash privilege. Is it white trash privilege or is it white trash privilege this isn't white there's white privilege and then there's white trash privilege is it white is it white trash privilege is it white trash arrogance you know what i mean that's just well that's what privilege means i think that's what that is it's further than privilege this isn't it this isn't privilege i don't think they think they're going to get away

with anything or they feel but i think they're just pieces of shit and they're just like let's just do it woo they go places without a fucking plan i just don't think they think ahead real far these two how many woos do you think were shouted out the windows of these fucking Jesus just the whole way to Franktown woo woo woo whole way back woo woo uh but in Franktown they had trouble starting the trip the pickup truck so now they have a broken down stolen pickup truck uh so they're they got the assistance here of another bar person who jumpstarted the vehicle for them. So now they've had this guy jumpstart a stolen vehicle, which is insane.

And you know people would ask questions. Where are y'all from? Hmm. Minnesota? Your plates say California. Well, I'm from California. From Minnesota, California. I was born in Minnesota, but my parents moved out to California when I was five. say california well i'm from california but he's from minnesota california i was from minnesota i

was born in minnesota but my parents moved out to california when i was five and then we bought this truck right and here we are he's not real good at making up stories he's only got that first part but the guy as he's putting the jumper cables on just goes where y'all from and then both at the same time say different states minnesota california well i I met him in California, but I'm from Minnesota. But I haven't been there in a long time, especially haven't sexually assaulted anyone or kidnapped any women or babies and held them at knife point while my pants were off. To St. Cloud, never. So just to let you know. By the way, stay tuned for the end of this because there's fucking more.

This is another one of these, and I'm not doing this on purpose I'm not looking for cases like this that have fucking surprises where you go oh by the way there's a little more to this guy than we thought there was and so stay tuned because it's a little disturbing so yeah you never pick up hitchhikers is what we're getting at so they eventually

after this they get they jump start the vehicle they head back to the Talbots a wooing and a hooting and hollering the whole time uh and uh on the way back to the talbot home i don't know what the deal is but they decide um let's get the fuck out of colorado i don't know people too many people have seen the car and probably going out to all those bars people are are asking questions. I'm sure they've said too much. They're idiots. These guys are drunk. I can't imagine they have real tight lips and hold to their stories and hey, don't tell

them this and that. They're just saying whatever. They're drunk. They're shit faced. They're doing all this. So they said, OK, let's leave Colorado. Let's get out of here for a while. We'll head over.

Boyd Tarwater says, I have some relatives in Kansas. We can head over there and hang out in Kansas for a little while until the heat dies down and then we'll move on. I don't know what their plan is for the next 50 years to move from town to town like the A-Team and try to take shit down. But that's their plan. Hey, everybody. Just going to take a quick break from the show to tell you a little bit more about an absolutely fantastic sponsor, Misen Knives. These knives are fantastic. I use this. This is the only knife I will use now.

I'm telling you, they are wonderful. They're built so sturdy, and they're balanced beautifully. Man, they're fantastic. so sturdy, and they're balanced beautifully. Man, they're fantastic. Meason makes high-end kitchen knives that are comparable to $150 knives, but they sell them directly to you for a fraction of the cost. It really is fantastic.

You need a knife like this. Everyone, we all have knives in our kitchen. Everybody has them. Most people have a dull one. You have one that doesn't really work anymore. You think you sharpen it once in a while, but it's still garbage. You know it's garbage. Some people think, well, I'm not a great cook. I don't cook that much. So I don't need like a special knife. This terrible one I have in my drawer and my my my knife block that a bunch of useless knives. You know, this is going to be fine. But no, everyone needs a good knife. You need a top-tier, wonderful, high-end knife, and everyone needs it.

And now with Misen, you, anyone can afford it. Anybody can afford one of these knives. They're really fantastic. Just like any job, you need to have the right tools to make the difference. So if you're not that good of a cook, maybe you don't have the right tools. Maybe try a better knife, a solid high-end knife. It's essential. The problem is there's either super expensive ones or really cheapy ones that go dull really fast.

Plastic handle. Plastic handle. They break on you. I had one break when I was trying to cut something and it was cracked and I was worried I cut my hand open. You're never going to get that with a Misen knife. These are amazing. This knife does it all. These giant knife sets are just a waste of space.

These big blocks, it's a waste of space, a waste of money. The Misen knife replaces 99% of what all knives, all the big stand of blocks, all that stuff can do. They started the company by raising $1.1 million on Kickstarter, and they've just gone from there. It's endorsed by a lot of experts in the field. The New York Times calls it the holy grail of knives, and they're not kidding. Chefs are praising it as revolutionary, and it's been rated 4.8 out of 5 stars with thousands of reviews. Oh, one more thing, and this is huge. Free sharpening for life.

For life. For life. Even the sharpest knives eventually get a little dull. Misen knows how aggravating this can be, so they offer free sharpening for life. Just send the knife back when it gets dull, and they'll ship it back good as new. I'm telling you guys, you need to get a Meissen knife. I've tried the Meissen chef's knife. Jimmy, you've had it.

It's fantastic. It is all I'll use. It's all Jimmy uses. It's all Sarah uses in the kitchen. I have no idea how we ever cooked without it. Cooking is faster. It's easier. It's more fun when you can do it right.

And now you can also join the fun in your kitchen. Our listeners will receive a free paring knife when you purchase their chef's knife simply by going to meesen.co. That is M-I-S-E-N.C-O. That's a $35 value for free. That's M-I-S-E-n dot c-o slash small and start cooking sharp m-i-s-e-n dot co slash small go get the holy grail of knives and now back to the show so that's obviously the fucking plan of champions there that they have again a really well thought out uh plan these two should start a business i would say because i there that they have again a really well thought out uh plan these

two should start a business i would say because i think that they really have some foresight and they could file all their paperwork properly and i think this would go really well uh so uh they decide to do that but to do that they need some money yeah they just went out the bar blew all their money and they say well since talbot owes us all that cash, what we'll do is we'll stop by there and I'll steal a bunch of guns that he owns and we can sell them and then we'll have money to go to Kansas and we can start our little stake there. Again, great plan. Gun stealing, going to another state to visit these vague relatives in a stolen car from another state. Really good plan. All the other back stuff is looming.

Not to mention AWOL from the Navy, sexual assault charges. So there's a lot of things happening here. So Tarwater, they end up going to the Talbot home. Michael says he's going to go in. He's going in to get the guns. I'll do all this. Two of us there is going to go in. He's going in to get the guns. I'll do all this. Two of us there is going to look goofy. So, you know, more chance of shit going sour if there's two of us.

I'll go in. I'll be real sneaky. I know what I'm doing. Two people making noises. Yeah. Too many. Two drunks bumping around in a fucking house trying not to wake anybody up. Stealing guns is going to not work out.

Shh. Shut up. That'd be a lot of shushing. Shut the fuck up, boy. I said shut up that'd be a lot of shushing shut the fuck up boy so shut up now another thing tar water has to do is he has to keep the truck running because if they turn it off they don't know if they can turn it back on because they got a jump start before so this fucking lifestyle these two are leading is just hand to mouth as it comes man it's frightening so the only good decision they've made is to not be in their whisper shouting like that.

That's it. That's the best decision they've made yet. And I'm not even sure. It might have just been because Boyd didn't feel like it. I feel like he was tired and drunk, as we'll find out here in a second. So Michael goes into the Talbot home to get the to get their shit from the basement, too, because they have their shit in there. He's going to be moving out.

He's like, grab all of our shit and grab the guns and then come back which seems like a lot of shit to carry out of this house for a skinny 20 year old kid so uh after five or ten minutes boyd falls asleep tar water falls asleep in the truck he's like well i'm comfortable fuck it it's got to be chilly in that goddamn truck but it's running so maybe it's warm i can see there's probably no heat in this truck this seems like the trucks that need jump starting all the time that are stolen from other states generally don't have the best heater system yeah especially in the 70s jesus christ it's not like now where every car's heat is pretty good so uh he falls asleep dozes off i mean he's counting sheep. It's a nice, peaceful night. A lot of stars up there. It's wonderful. After about five or 10 minutes, he is awakened by Michael, who pops into the passenger seat and has a blanket wrapped around him and is tapping Boyd on the arm. He's sitting there. Come on, Boyd. Boyd. Boyd. Boyd. He just got out of the thing. So Michael says, we have

to leave right now and go to kansas let's go get out let's go move move move let's go boy hurry the fuck up boy start that let's be you know fucking put it in gear and let's get the hell out of here so it's already started so uh they get the hell out of here and they're driving away now nancy talbot who is richard's wife uh she wakes up at about four o'clock a.m. This is the next morning, December 16th to Saturday morning. She has to go to the bathroom. She wakes up to go to the bathroom. She notices as she's going to the bathroom that the upstairs closet door was open.

This is the same way my friends got caught with the concession stand. They left a little garage door to the concession stand open and a cop did a drive-by and went, why is that open? And then looked for them. Otherwise, they would have been home free. So this is a little different, though. These people plan about as much as my friends who are on acid with a guy named Satanic Bill who escaped from the carnival.

They plan about the same, I would say. So she wakes up. She notices the closet door is open. And then she goes to it. And as she's closing it, she notices that all the guns that are usually there are now gone he keeps a few guns a shotgun couple rifles in this closet and now they're not there

so she walks downstairs and goes down to the basement to see where the hell everybody is and her son was down there but not Michael or Tarwater because obviously that's their that's her main suspect immediately like well it's one of these two fucking dirtbags i'm sure absolutely especially after i'm sure her husband said that they argued about money in the driveway and these two fucking idiots want money and this is

going bad and you know whatever uh so she goes in there uh she didn't see either one of them she heads back up to the living room and she notices blood on a pillow on the couch uh where her eight-year-old daughter had been sleeping before and she's no longer there uh this is michelle talbot it was their eight-year-old daughter uh she was sleeping in there uh she ends up getting closer and finds michelle and finds that michelle has been brutally stabbed in several places she's just been stabbed all around uh she's in terrible shape obviously she's an you know an eight-year-old girl who's been stabbed a lot uh she freaks out obviously as any fucking buddy would uh she wakes her husband up and uh you know to tell him about i don't know that's i don't even know what you would feel as a as a

parent you'd lose your fucking mind and uh i don't even know the first thing you'd tell the him you'd call somebody i don't even know what you'd panic that's just a my daughter's age i don't know what i'd do that's what i mean that's a freak out yeah i have a daughter i can't even i can't likely just stay by her and i can't fathom it that's what i mean i don't know what you do i remember my daughter had a high fever one time from a bad reaction to a shot, and I had to take her temperature every 15 minutes. I sat there the whole fucking time taking her temperature, and I was freaked out about that, and it wasn't even a big deal.

She's not losing blood. This isn't. There's several stab wounds, so I can't imagine what you'd do. She wakes Richard up, and I assume screaming hysterically, telling him about this, and so they go to call the cops and notice that their phones don't work. God damn it. The phone lines have all been cut. So not only has the kid been brutally attacked, but the phone lines have been cut. No, this is insane.

This is evil shit right here. This is what I mean. This is progression. Evil, evil shit here. is evil shit right here this is what i mean this is progression uh evil evil shit here so uh the obviously they they end up getting in the car and uh driving to i guess uh the sheriff lived nearby so they literally drove to the sheriff's house at four o'clock in the morning banging on the door going holy shit my daughter i mean good god what a fucking scene i mean that's i can't imagine for everybody involved that's hard even for the for the sheriff to the now has to go at four be awoken to go discover this, too.

It's that's horrible. Everybody involved here is no one's no one's coming out a winner here, I would say. Now, the law enforcement does some investigating. Obviously, they find indications of blood on the doorknob to the upstairs closet on a nearby piece of paper and on a wall plaque also on the upstairs telephone they find the telephone lines which had been cut on both the upstairs and downstairs telephones so she went around he went around and cut all the telephone lines not just one not just the one up by the bedroom everything everyone in the house uh and also had been they've been positioned in a manner to conceal the cutting.

So he tried to make it so you couldn't see it, tuck it into that part of the wall. Do all that shit. So he was trying to hide this as well. Also, a number of items are missing from the house, which is the least of their concerns at this point, but it's helpful for evidentiary purposes here, including three guns from the upstairs closet,

$283 in cash from the upstairs bathroom, two piggy banks, a penny jar, a green rug from the kitchen, a quilt, and a blanket from the basement. Also, a single boot, which apparently had been on the steps leading upstairs. Didn't take both boots. Just one. One boot. That's like Steve Martin. apparently had been on the steps leading upstairs didn't take both boots just one one boot um i i that's like steve martin you know it's like steve martin from the jerk collecting all i need is

this one boot and there's 283 i'll bet he filled the boot with some of the change right yeah that's what i'm thinking too he used it as a as a uh as a as a wallet as a yeah as a carrying case as a as a coin purse it'd have to be yeah i would assume coin purse. It'd have to be. Yeah, I would assume so. So you don't have to carry a jar, put two jars in it or something. Who the hell knows? So at 4.30 a.m., this is, you know, half hour. All this is happening in flux here. Michael Bartoszewski and Tarwater, Boyd Tarwater, they pull into a truck stop, a Husky truck stop in Lyman, Colorado.

They have to replace a tire. Now, they have a blown out tire. So this is a disaster. Blown out tire, and they're stopping there hoping to get another tire. Boyd decides not to buy a tire from the station because it's too expensive there. So I don't know what exactly the plan B is as far as that. You got all these pennies. I don't know what's he planning i don't know what exactly the plan b is as far as that you got all these pennies i don't know dump them on the counter what the fuck is wrong with you you gotta get the fuck out of colorado sir yeah that's that i would leave

quickly and that's what they try to do and michael michael this is the scary part michael seems to be the smart one here which is disturbing because he's not that bright i don't think so uh he ends up picking up a bunch of money off the floorboard of the truck and says, we have money. We need to get the fuck out of Colorado and gets out and negotiates a price for the tire. Okay, that's a little too much. But what about this? Come on. It's 430 in the morning.

We're trying to... What can you do? You have a used tire, maybe? Something, somebody, you know, whatever. I'm bleeding. Look at me. I'm covered in blood. Jesus Christ.

Used tire, maybe, something, somebody, you know, whatever. I'm bleeding. Look at me. I'm covered in blood. Jesus Christ. So now Tarwater, at this point, while he's negotiating a price. See, when you go into a negotiation, there's a reason why you take a shower, put a tie on, do your hair up. Because it makes you feel more formidable. This one, though, he's negotiating.

Tarwater's there, the station manager, and another attendant. They all notice, especially the station manager and the attendant, while he's negotiating for a price, very skilled wheeler and dealer, they notice a considerable amount of blood all over his hands, face, and clothes. It's just there. He's covered in blood. His face, his clothes, and his hands. And he's negotiating a tire price while with another dirt bag in a town with a truck with out-of-state plates and this is just screaming with red flags right now and

nothing is good they ask him uh you know why are you all bloody i mean it'd be hard to ignore it's a good question just real hard to ignore why are you all bloody and he says i had a nosebleed i lost half the blood in my body through my nasal cavity. That's a hell of a nosebleed, sir. Clothes, hands, just covered. How am I pouring? He didn't even go with, we hit a deer? He didn't even give the Joe Pesci or the Ray Liotta.

I hit a skunk, Karen, all right? He didn't even do that. Not even a blow. He literally went, nosebleed. I had a hangnail. Leave me alone. I ripped it off. A bad one.

It's a bad one. Cuticles going to bleed for days, I'll tell you, boy. So this is not really believed by everybody, but it's the 70s. I feel like there's not enough law and order and investigation discovery on television, and nobody fucking knows. And have you had a nosebleed before it feels like an awful lot of blood it might be convincing that i feel like they're in the middle of nowhere passing through and he's like i don't know boy i had a crazy nosebleed

what the fuck do i know i don't think they care no i don't think they're on the lookout for maybe they're murderers it's just who cares i don't know i might buy it is my point i've had that's what i mean i'm just like standing over the faucet and it just will not fucking cares? I don't know. I might buy it, is my point. I've had no place where I'm just like standing over the faucet, and it just will not fucking stop. And I don't think this guy probably gets in too many people's business. He's at a truck stop in a pass-through town. He's probably just like, I don't know, all right, and just shrugs and collects the money. How many gallons of gas are you going to take?

How many microwave sandwiches do you all want? Keep your head back, son. Just in case that thing starts again. Yeah, just put some toilet paper in there. We got it down. Aisle three. We got rolls for $2.49. He's trying to sell him toilet paper out of this thing.

So Michael ends up going inside. He gets something to eat and obviously cleans up in the restroom in the restaurant. It's the most important thing. Oh, hey, I'm covered in blood. Maybe we shouldn't go state to state while covered in blood. So they end up getting back on the road in their trip to kansas after they negotiate a tire price and michael and boyd stop at another rest area uh now uh they stop at another rest area this is just across the kansas border they just crossed

the border there's a rest area uh michael then takes off his he has blood also all over his blue corduroy pants uh covered in blood so he takes those off and chucks them at the rest stop and puts on a pair of boyd tar waters fatigue pants so this is cute now they're sharing clothes it's very adorable that's adorable fatigues of all things uh matching it's very nice uh they i'm surprised he just didn't leave his pants off sit there with a knife he seems comfortable with that they travel until about 10 30 a.m so they'd go for six more fucking hours okay in this car when finally finally out of all of this from four states over from california stolen car with two wanted fucking people one's covered in blood finally a kansas highway patrol

officer who they had been alerted to uh because there's a at this point the word of this little girl has gotten out and uh these two are the suspects and they are fucking looking for them they're wanted as shit at this point and uh they've also they've done enough investigating to figure out that they might be headed to kansas to relatives of tar water so there's all the state patrol is waiting for this truck here. So they end up finally seeing this people and they they the cop turns his lights on, pull the shit over. So Michael tells Tarwater, who's driving, gun it.

Go now. Go. This truck with blown out tires that doesn't start all the time. That's stolen from Guadalupe. I'm sure it'll outrun this cop car. See how fast it goes and we're obviously the dukes of hazard so we can fucking do this they on they thought they were the duke boys at this point uh tar water said are you out of your fucking mind no and he just pulled

the goddamn car over because he's like no we're not doing that this is bad enough as it is uh the officer ends up taking them into custody uh which uh obviously uh immediately into custody they find in the truck uh two rifles taken from the talbot home shotgun taken from the talbot home plus a german shepherd which they're not sure where they picked the dog up somewhere okay somewhere along the line what the fuck they didn't have the German Shepherd in Lyman in college. So somewhere between Lyman and mid-Kansas, they picked up a German Shepherd to be their fucking mascot. Or I don't know if it was hitchhiking and it's paw out. I don't know what was happening. But they picked up a German Shepherd.

We can't just leave it, Boyd. I'm picking it up. They also took the German Shepherd into custody. They weren't sure about his participation in the crimes. So this is crazy right away. Jesus fucking Christ. Why do they have a German? The last thing these people have time or the capability of doing is taking care of a fucking pet.

They can't take care of themselves. They're wanted in many states. It's now three states they're wanted in for progressively worse crimes. That is incredibly kind of him. He doesn't give a fuck about an eight-year-old. No. But a German shepherd. Hey, that dog's cute.

Hop in. Pull over. What the fuck, man? Let's go, Rin Tin Tin. Yeah, come on in. We need a mascot. You know, that's what we're missing. We're missing a mascot.

See, we could really, we could get a following if we had a mascot. See, that's what, that's what,'re missing a mascot. See, we could really get a following if we had a mascot. See, that's what Manson would have never went down if he had a mascot. Drop the tailgate. Get Air Bud in here. We got some traveling to do. Let's do it. Come on, Benji. They offer no resistance.

They end up just going because what are they going to do at this point? The pickup, they figured out, had been stolen from California over a month ago. So that poor bastard. Some bad things have happened. I don't even want that truck back. Whoever they stole it from in Guadalupe, I'm like, no thanks. So they murdered an eight-year-old and then fled in it. Now there's German shepherds all over my seat.

And I smell dog. I'm smelling dog. I mean, the blood, we can clean it, but the dog. You can't get that out of the car. No, it's in the vents. It's in the fibers now, and there's hair hair in the vents so it's not going anywhere so uh the uh the uh trago county undersheriff said that the two men were indicted and they would uh they said they would waive extradition to colorado uh good for them uh now acting boyd boyd flips right away

right now right now he sits down he's like I sat in there I fell asleep he came out covered in blood and tapped me on the shoulder and said we got to go I don't know what the fuck happened Jesus Christ by the way he's got pants he took off at a rest stop that's everything I know everything and I'm AWOL from the Navy like he was just spilled it lost it whatever because if you didn't participate in the murder of an eight-year-old you want to distance yourself from the murderer if you did you also want to distance but if you didn't you really want to distance you're like i have no fucking part in this i don't know shit i don't know anything but can i get the dog back but uh that dog was real cute i'm just i was cute now i don't know if y'all want to take him as a mascot but

otherwise i'll take him as a mask in the face he's a mascot kind of dog you could put sunglasses on him cigar in his mouth put him on skateboard push him you know i mean just looking fun and now y'all cops like them german shepherds yeah go give it go give him a good pet that's he's no you're gonna tell me that ain't a good goddamn dog that's a nice petting head right there so uh tar water tells them about the pants yeah uh which is a big piece of evidence and uh they go back and find the pants at the rest area so that's good they recover the pants uh now the autopsy we'll get to here this is this is not terrific yeah the autopsy is rough here it's performed by dr ben galloway who is the deputy coroner for the city and county of denver so they bring in they're not bringing in the elbert county fucking jackass now there's like no people in elbert county by the way it's

the big i think the biggest town is elizabeth the one with the rodeo in the whole county it's not a the county seat is fucking kiowa not a big town so they bring in the guy from denver and uh he says that uh this fucking poor little girl michelle uh sustained eight wounds uh each of which had been inflicted by a sharp knife he He said one of the puncture wounds had been inflicted near the right ear and extended into the brain. Good Christ. That is fucking horrific. How do you stab an eight-year-old in the fucking head? In the head. I think he was just

stabbed. Another puncture wound was to the chest and extended all the way through into the lungs. Well, another resulted in the laceration of a major branch of the lung veins. There was also a large gaping wound in her neck. He cut her throat. He fucking cut her throat.

This animal stabbed her a whole bunch and that wasn't enough for him. So he needed to go in for a little more severance of the carotid artery, jugular vein and windpipe. I mean, he went to drown to death. He went, he went to town. He fucking, I mean, it was basically like Nicole Simpson injuries is exactly what she has. This they said that the last wound. This is a little rough. Not a little a lot rough.

The coroner says that it was caused by repeated sawing motions while she was still alive. Oh, my God. So on the neck, on the neck. Oh, for Christ's sake. This might be the worst fucking person. He's at least tied for the worst piece of shit animal that we've ever fucking had the displeasure of talking about. What a complete and utter monster. First of all, he was a monster to begin with from what he was going to kill a nine-month-old and a woman before.

But now he's fucking, this isn't necessary no this wasn't necessary the coroner said the autopsy that uh all of the all of the wounds were uh were capable of causing death they were all any one of them would have killed her eventually and they also found minor wounds on her thumb just because it was in the back they didn't know if it was that because they they think that it started while she was sleeping that's what they think so completely completely not fucking necessary it's never necessary to fucking kill an eight-year-old no that's some coward shit is what he did some real fucking coward shit he didn't go upstairs and stab richard who owed him money and maybe would have put up a fight that was the That was the point. Yeah. Not even the 12-year-old. A fucking little girl.

The smallest in the house. What a piece of shit. So they questioned this fucking piece of shit, Michael. And he said that he doesn't recall any of the events of the previous evening. He said he was so drunk he doesn't know anything, except for he ate at the Talbot's restaurant. He ate their food that night. They fed him a fucking meal, you piece of of garbage and he said he frequented several bars and in response to the question quote you don't remember cutting the little girl's throat they said he put his his

face in his hands became silent and said quote i may have done it i don't remember i could have done it which is not what you probably want to say in an interrogation. But I'm glad this fucking asshole said it. They found blood on his short sleeved white shirt. They found the blue quarter right trousers that were pretty soaked in blood. Also, his jacket was found all the blood. They don't have DNA in 1978, 1979, but all of them are consistent with the blood of the victim and inconsistent with both him and Tarwater. All right.

So it's not a nosebleed. Boy didn't bleed on him. This little girl's blood is all fucking over him or some other little girl with the same blood type or some other person. Now, people are this is a 20 year old. People don't expect this behavior from a 20 year old. And this this is like not 20 year old behavior. As we've talked about like

usually people have to build to something like this something completely fucking you know this is as heinous as it comes so you don't get a worse crime than this and you really don't at least he didn't sexually assault her like he did the other one but jesus christ this is fucking vicious uh it's just it's just horrible man and man. And people that know him are surprised, some of them. Some of them are like, yeah, no, that's about right. Yeah, I expected that out of him. And some of them are like, he's such a nice guy. I don't understand it.

It's fucking nuts, man. One person, he had his attorney in St. Cloud, who represented him for other crimes, said, quote, I couldn't believe it. I was shaking his head. He said it was he was like the kid next door. Friendly. He'd be in the office flirting with the girls. Oh, my God. Those girls are lucky they got out alive for Christ's sake.

So he was the boy next door who just happened to have a fucking list of charges longer than my arm right from from his entire juvenile history another this woman here uh uh he i guess he was homeless for a while and saved cloud because who the hell would want him in their house after that there's a woman named uh newell d spretcher sprecker uh who who invited him into her home. She found him sleeping in her car outside. So she said, come in where it's warm? Rather than call the police, she said, come inside. You need a place that's warm to sleep, and invited him in the house and let him sleep there.

She says, quote, I couldn't believe it of him. I still don't. I thought it was the other fellow. Even though it's all over with, I still don't believe it. So she's just like, I can't believe it's not him. I figured for sure it's the other guy. Yeah, they said during his youth, he said he had suffered periodic blackouts from drinking. And he would have trouble holding an extended conversation because of memory lapses, is what this woman said. Like he had something wrong with his head. i don't know this is the thing we don't know if he had a head injury at a young age

which would make a lot of sense if he did based on this because this isn't him saying this to try to cover it up this is a woman that knew him well before this saying that he wouldn't remember things all the time and would have trouble having conversations now he also is a big, huge alcoholic. So he might have been functionally an alcoholic to where he was hammered and couldn't put shit straight, but walked and talked just fine because there's alcoholics that can do that. So that's possible, too. Or a head injury.

We don't know. She said, quote, if something happened, it had to be some pressure in his head that just blew. Maybe they're not seeing the whole picture if he did it he wasn't in control of himself i'm sure so she's trying to like it's not him is her whole thing which i don't know how do you yeah how do you defend somebody that's charged with that i don't know like like blindly just say it couldn't i knew him two years ago and he seemed fine so it's not him i that's i need a little more information that's a real ballsy thing to say in terms of somebody

that is accused of the most horrific thing next to raping an eight-year-old you know once i hear that he was covered in her blood i'm like okay well yeah that's shit he went wrong somewhere some shit happened uh he's originally charged with separate counts of first degree murder after deliberation felony murder in the course of a robbery and robbery uh this is obviously for the death uh this uh there was some for for a smaller area there was some publicity for this because of the an eight-year-old victim being brutally killed for no reason in her own home, which is every parent's worst fear. It's one thing if they're out. It's one thing if they're out, you know, whatever, doing something and you can't protect them always and you never know.

And that's one thing that would be horrible enough. But in your own home, when you put them in and you tuck your eight-year-old in at night, that's it. They're safe. You've put that. It's like putting them in and you tuck your eight-year-old in at night, that's it. They're safe. Right. You've put that. It's like putting them in this little safety deposit box. Yeah. You've tucked them in and you go, okay, safe for the night.

That one's, I don't have to worry about that one. Lights out. Lights out. So to have that happen in your home is the worst than anything I can imagine. So the Rocky Mountain News and Denver Post, which are two big newspapers there, published about 15 articles on the whole thing prior to the trial. A bunch of these articles were published right after the crime happened in December of 78. Trust me, because I found every goddamn one of them.

It wasn't covered as much as it should have been. Now, the others were published in June of July in 79. And we'll get to that. That jury selection began on June 26, 1979. So when all these articles come out, it was important for a technicality later on. The defendant here, Michael, makes several requests for a change of venue

due to the publicity. Now the problem is on the fourth day of jury selection, they did an interrogation of 97 prospective jurors and produced only five people who could potentially serve on the jury. Out of 97? Yeah, because it's only this small county. So the people are limited that they have to choose from.

They only found five that were potentially eligible. I'd love to hear all the reasons each one was doing. Yeah. Well, somebody, I got a business to run. Somebody goes, I read a bunch about that sumbitch, and he's a guilty bastard. And then he's off. That guy's in for me. Yeah fucking guy jesus christ uh the motion ends up being granted because of that and the venue is transferred to arapahoe county now on july 9th 1979 jury selection begins again out there this is six days they have 98 potential

jurors uh they uh again he again makes repeated requests for a change of venue here, too. I don't know how far away he fucking wants to go. Where do you want to go to you? You want to go to the titty bar? Where do you want to go? Jesus Christ. So this trial judge denies these requests. And he expressly noted any doubt about whether a juror should be excused would be resolved in favor of the defendant.

noted any doubt about whether a juror should be excused would be resolved in favor of the defendant so if it's on the fence he's gonna the judge is gonna toss him based on you know not not what's the word prejudicing against the defendant here and taking away all liability of this just getting thrown out later that's that's the other thing as a judge you must be aware of i don't even know if you can run a court like that, like worried about thwarting potential appeals or if you just have to run it the way you run it and whatever. But I know judges probably don't like it when their shit's overturned on appeal, I would imagine. It's probably got to sting a bit.

Yeah. I would just, it would piss you off. Like, no, no, I know what I'm doing, damn it. I'm a judge. Do you know how much time I took on that? I'm a judge. They call me Judge So-and-So. That's my name now.

I know what I'm doing. took on that i'm a judge they called me judge so and so that's my name now i know what i'm doing now uh 98 potential jurors 28 of them were excused on the basis of preconceived opinion due to pre-trial publicity uh while at least one-fourth of the panel so about 25 people could not recall ever having read or heard about the case at all knew nothing about it this is all news to them one four one and four uh he did not challenge for cause any of the 14 jurors actually selected to serve uh all of them obviously professed an ability to be impartial which is what all you really have to do that's what they do too it's like have you seen anything about the case well yeah i read a thing about the case are you locked

in or can you be impartial and if you say you can be impartial, they're supposed to. It's supposed to be okay for them. That's the law anyway. If the judge believes that they're impartial, which who the fuck knows. One of the juries, of all these juries, only three remember details of the case and their extent of their knowledge was limited to basic facts. I heard over there in a town, an eight-year-old was killed and then two guys ran away and they caught him at some point. And those are the people they allowed? They allowed those people. There's four

of those people that don't remember any details. They just know they read about a crime that happened, but they don't know. They heard Michael Bartoszewski is a juvenile and stole a CB and sexually assaulted a woman. They don't know any of that shit at this point. By the way, Minnesota's chilling out on those charges and laying back because this is much worse and they want to see what they're going to do, what Colorado's going to do to them

first. The jurors, like I said, they could only recall, they could recall details of the crime and acknowledge their belief that newspapers are not always accurate in the reporting, too, they always said. None of the 14 jurors were shown to have any preconceived opinion as to the guilt. So the judge clears all these guys. Also, Minnesota, that's still on the table that he could be extradited for those charges because they're pretty goddamn serious up there.

But the state attorney or county attorney up in Minnesota, Roger Van Heel, says he's going to wait until after this whole thing in Colorado is over before he decides whether or not to extradite, because that's expensive to do all that. He says, quote, obviously, if the guy's got to do 40 or 50 years out there, there's not much sense in bringing him back here. Fair. It's hard to argue with that.

They're going to do our job for us. Why would I pay a bunch of money to do it again? Makes no sense. And then send them back there to serve time. It's pointless, which I don't blame the guy. Honestly, that's smart. Back then, it's all about budget, too. The whole thing we'll talk about later on.

Minnesota had a real problem with police manpower. Did they really? And yeah, they couldn't investigate a certain case they were going to talk about because of lack of manpower. There wasn't any gas in the cars. Not enough gas. Yeah, it was. It was lack of it was budgetary, because of lack of manpower. There wasn't any gas in the cars. Not enough gas. Yeah, it was. It was budgetary, lack of everything.

July 17, 1979 is the trial. This is just the trial of Michael. Boyd is testifying for the prosecution. Okay. He is a state's witness, old Boyd Tarwater. He's sitting up there. Name's Boyd. Name's Boyd.

Clean cut, I assume, shaved and looking nice in a suit going, this young man just drug me all over. Terrible young man. Terrible. I was in the Navy on my way to a career as an officer. I don't know what happened. He tells the jury here about the nosebleed thing. He says that he asked before the service station, he asked Michael, why the fuck do you have blood all over you?

And he said, nosebleeds, man. He was like, all right. That's what he's telling everybody. That's what he said. That's what he told him. Yeah, that's what Tarwater says. I mean, he might have said butchered a little girl and Tarwater said, all right, and drove away.

But it sounds better if he just says he lied to me. You mean a nosebleed? Yeah. You mean a nosebleed? Yeah. One of them. They also they said they they said that the Colorado investigation agents testified that they're about the blood not being his. The blood's the same type as the victims.

The closing the deputy district attorney said in his closing statements that Bartoszewski, when taking the guns from the Talbot home, decided to kill the only witness to the robbery, which was little Michelle. home decided to kill the only witness to the robbery which was little michelle uh she was sleeping on the living room couch because her sister was having a slumber party and another girl was using the little girl's bed so that's what ended up happening there uh now at the conclusion of the case the prosecution case the state's case uh the it's now the defense's turn and the defense rests without calling a witness or presenting any evidence oh no they do nothing because what the fuck are they going to say yeah who are they going to call who are they going to And the defense rests without calling a witness or presenting any evidence. Oh, no. They do nothing. Because what the fuck are they going to say? Yeah.

Who are they going to call? Who are they going to call? The Ghostbusters. Nancy? Yeah. Call Nancy up? Did you really find your daughter? No, you didn't.

There's nothing you can say to any of it. It's all evidence. So they're essentially forcing the state to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that- Well, their stance is they didn't prove anything right meanwhile they proved everything but their stance is we don't even have to present anything because we don't nothing happened it's ridiculous uh the court also submitted to the jury uh the charge of first degree murder after deliberation and the lesser offense of second degree murder as well as the charges of felony murder and robbery. Michael's defense team tried to get instructions on a reckless manslaughter, which is ridiculous.

That just means you, that's nowhere close to what the fuck he did. And they rejected that. They said, shit, no. Jury returns. They deliberate. They return verdicts

on first degree murder after deliberation. Felony murder and robbery is guilty. Fucking obviously guilty. September 20th, 1979 is sentencing. And this must have felt good for people to get rid of this asshole. This is going to feel good.

Everybody should join in on this one. You, sir, may fuck off. God damn it. They sentence him to concurrent life sentences on the two first degree murder convictions and a concurrent sentence of one day to ten years on the robbery conviction. Ouch. So they fucking banged him as best they could, which is great. Now, Boyd makes a statement after that.

They let him make a statement. He says, Jesus Christ, man, quote, I know in my heart that if I'm sentenced to prison, it will make me 100 times worse than I am. But I guess you did what you had to do. God help us all. Well, where the hell else are you going to go, man? If you said, where did you want to go?

That's what I mean. I'm going to be 100 times worse. Don't give a fuck, because you can do it in prison, asshole. Lucky you won't be on the outside then with all of us, you piece of shit. Oh, good, you're going to be worse. Make sure to put you in solitary then,

you piece of fucking utter shit. Oh, I hate this fucking guy. Some of these people I hate, and this is one of them. I just hate this son of a bitch. You'll see why even more in a minute. He's eligible for parole on December 10th, 1998. That is his eligibility date for parole. No, no, Boyd's fine.

Michael Bartoszewski. The charges ended up in Minnesota, ended up being dropped. The sexual assault and everything because after he was convicted of the Colorado murder, they had to drop him or proceed and they said, we'll drop him. 1983 comes around and there is an appeal. This is his first appeal.

He claims errors related to the court's refusal to grant a second change of venue due to all of this publicity and claimed insufficiency of evidence for the crimes charged and the trial court's failure to instruct on voluntary manslaughter and enter the judgments of conviction on all three charges. Now, we'll get into this quick. support the claim this is what the court says that the defendant the claim of the publicity for the change of venue defendant must show that the publicity was so massive pervasive and prejudicial which is big statements big words as to create a presumption that he was denied a fair fair trial this would be like i don't even know i don't know because i mean even an oj those people

all knew fucking oj was even they could be on the trial. It says, alternately, that the publicity created actual prejudice or hostility toward the defendant on the part of the jury panel. So piss the jurors off, piss everybody off. They said they examined the published newspaper reports submitted with the brief. And they said that the publicity surrounding this was not so massive and pervasive and prejudicial as to create a presumption that he couldn't be given a fair trial. They said the Rocky Mountain News and Denver Post ran some articles when it occurred, and then it wasn't reported on again until jury selection. So it wasn't like for months.

When these people showed up for jury selection, if they read an article, it was eight months ago, seven months ago. So do you remember every murder from seven months ago? That's what I mean. They were like basic shit. Like I remember hearing a little girl got killed and the guys were, I don't know, but that's, that's what they said. I hear a podcast about a murder every, uh, every week for the past seven months.

And, and guess who, uh, guess who can't remember it. Yeah, no. If we pull up, remember this one? Nope. Nope. Not at all. Uh, also they said, uh uh there just wasn't most of the newspaper accounts were placed with other stories of local crimes with only a few occupying a

prominent place so most of the time it was just in a crime beat where you'd read about 10 different crimes right so you're not going to remember that uh also they said the character of the newspaper publicity was neither sensational nor inflammatory in content. So that makes a lot of sense. I mean, that would just leave the door open for them to get sued if they're being inflammatory. Well, I mean, sometimes they are. But he said, nor were the articles long or detailed, but instead outlined the basic facts related to the reporter. None of the articles. Yeah.

They said none of the articles editorialized or appealed to the public's emotions. None of them were like, we need to string this monster up right this is a they were i've read every single one of these to make sure literally they're straightforward factual things although that's not a bad idea although yes maybe we should maybe we should uh shackle him to someone else and uh something this is what i mean hey everybody just gonna take a quick break from the show to tell you about a great This is what I mean. Hey, everybody. Just going to take a quick break from the show to tell you about our great sponsor, Madison Reed.

Madison Reed. Madison-Reed. Oh, that's right. R-E-E-D dot com. You have to go there, guys. Well, I should say ladies here. This is for you guys. This is the best hair color you can get out there. The best at-home hair color.

That's what I'm told. Yeah. This is better than going to a salon because you're going to get it cheaper and you're going to get it. It's going to be less expensive. You're going to have more control over it. And with a great product like Madison Reed, it is actually just as high quality. Jimmy, I look at your head right now and I see it's screaming for some Madison Reed. Fill it in.

Now, obviously, we are two men. I have short brown hair. I have no need for any kind of color jimmy has zero hardly any hair at all so really no need for a color there uh we could just paint his head with a sharpie but if he did need color he would use madison reed madison dash reed madison dash reed.com because it's for decades women have had really no options for this they can have kind of a lousy hair coloring at home or they can have this super expensive, you know, complicated process that takes three hours at the salon and that whole thing.

But now you can have this amazing color. It's salon quality for less than twenty five dollars. That's amazing. From what I understand, they are reinventing hair color at home, hair color, and it's working. It's working. And it's a lot of what, what it is is women are, you guys are busy. That's all there is to it. You're busy. A lot of times you don't have time to go somewhere for three hours, or you don't want to pay

that kind of money. You're busy, so join all the women who are doing this life-changing, awesome thing and coloring their hair with Madison Reed. Find your perfect shade at mad-Reed.com. Madison Reed would like to honor small town murder listeners with 10% off plus free shipping on their first color kit. All you have to do is use the promo code SMALL. That's promo code SMALL, Madison-Reed.com.

Madison-Reed, R-E-E-D.com. Promo code small and get 10% off and free shipping. And now back to the show. This is what I'm saying where neither of us are big death penalty proponents, but I want to stab this guy eight times personally. Like, I'm fucking, this piece of shit deserves everything he gets. I got an eight year old. I can see it happening.

Yes. They say they cannot say that the newspaper coverage was so massive. So he's fine. Also, now there's an argument that there was insufficient evidence of deliberation of murder, which makes no sense at all to submit to the jury. Basically, he says that it was he was in a fit of rage. He said it was a response to an overwhelming fit of violent rage at an eight-year-old who was sleeping for some reason. That's what he says here. They said the evidence shows that Michael entered the Talbot home during the night for specific purpose of stealing property inside.

entered the Talbot home during the night for specific purpose of stealing property inside. There is no evidence, whatever, whatever, indicating that the eight year old victim did anything to provoke Michael into a state of anger, much less a violent rage. You know, because she's eight and it's four in the fucking morning. What is she going to do that? It's going to enrage somebody. That's what can you possibly do? What did she do? What did she do? She call him a fucking, call him a name?

I mean, what could she have done at eight? Butthead? Like, I don't know what she could have said to him. Go to bed, a-hole. Yeah, I don't get it. Yeah. Maybe she called him a loser and told him to get his fucking life together and stop running from sexual assault charges in another state with an AWOL from the Navy asshole with

a stolen truck from fucking Guadalupe, and he lost his mind. That's all I can fucking think. a Navy asshole with a stolen truck from fucking Guadalupe, and he lost his mind. That's all I can fucking think. Also, the results showed that there were so many stab wounds that it's not a matter of, you know, he didn't just react and then go, oh, shit, he stabbed her up and then tried to saw her fucking head off. That part sucks. Insane.

They said the attack continued even after she'd been rendered helpless also. So it wasn't like, oh, I'm going to get this child off of me who's attacking me, like eight-year-old girls always do. They usually, you either get like a big dog or an eight-year-old girl when you want to defend your house, because both of them, they'll jump right on you and they're vicious. They are. Jesus Christ.

My daughter's just really good with words that make you feel like a piece of shit. Yeah, she'll make you feel bad. So they said also with the wounds, bloodstains in the upstairs hall strongly suggested that the victim was killed before the guns were taken so he couldn't have you know so he just it's ridiculous and he has reason to be in the house because he lives there you know so he didn't have to do that he could have just said oh i'm just getting a snack sweetie and she would have went right back to sleep and he could have done whatever the fuck he wants and he said that that's further circumstantial evidence.

This is what the court says, that the killing took place in order to prevent Michelle from doing anything to obstruct the theft. She's eight. What is she going to do to obstruct the theft anyway? Ridiculous. The totality of the evidence, they said, is sufficient to support the element of deliberation essential to first degree murder. So eat dicks on that one. Manslaughter. They said that there's just no merit to him wanting to have manslaughter,

and that's a judge's call, and fuck off. Now, the robbery charge. He claims, Michael claims, there's insufficient evidence to support the crime of robbery. You had a bunch of stolen shit from their house. Right. Is there stuff in your truck? Yeah. You took it. You fucking took it.

Therefore, he says, the conviction for felony murder must be struck because that's a component of felony murder is the robbery. There has to be the aggravator. He's swinging at the aggravators to try to get this knocked down. So they define robbery as follows in the law. A person who knowingly takes anything of value from a person or presence of another of another by the use of forced threats or intimidation commits robbery that sounds textbook yeah fucking textbook uh they said conceding that there was evidence of an unlawful taking of property from the home he argues michael argues that the evidence failed to establish two essential elements of robbery

first he asserts that the claim jesus the element of taking from the person or presence of the robbery victim michelle was not proven because the items taken were located in a different part of the house than the living room so he's going to try to parse he's going to try to say that he didn't kill her in the commission of the robbery yeah that's what he's saying also he contends that the taking of items was not accomplished by the use of force so he's saying i didn't have to kill her i just did it because I felt like it. That shouldn't be part of it. No, asshole.

If you do that, if you rob a convenience store and the person standing there with their fucking hands up and then you shoot them in the head, guess what? That's murder. Fucking felony murder. You robbed them. Then you shot them. You didn't have to shoot them. Yeah. You didn't have to shoot them.

No, it wasn't in order to get the goods. You already got them. But you still did it while it was happening. So I think that's pretty much the definition. It's not someone holding the register saying you can't have it. So you shoot them off of it. That's not how that works. So they say they find no merit in any of his arguments for that.

They go into presence and all that shit. So it's ridiculous, man. They talk about the defensive wounds on the thumb and all that kind of shit saying you didn't bullshit. Also, now the judgments. Now, this is important. I'll read what they say. We next consider the defendants dual convictions and sentences for first degree murder after

deliberation and for felony murder, both of which involve the killing of a single victim. Michelle Talbot. Michael claims that double jeopardy clause of the United States Colorado Constitutions prohibits the entry of multiple convictions and sentences, even though concurrent because he only committed one crime. They're not consecutive, so it really doesn't matter except in terms of parole. He says we need not address the defendant's double jeopardy claim in this in this case because our recent decision blah blah blah it's another court decision people versus low

permits a blah blah blah resolution so the decision quote the legislature this is what it says here never mind we'll skip to what the legislature says he they go through a whole legal thing here he says the trial court should give as much effect to the jury's resolution of the issue submitted as it can be done without running afoul of the defendant's constitutional and statutory rights. Because the jury found the defendant guilty of both first degree murder based upon the defendant's killing of Michelle Talbot after deliberation and the separate crime of robbery. And because these crimes do not relate to each other in a manner that precludes the entry of the separate judgments of conviction on both offenses the trial court should enter

judgments of on conviction of both of these crimes and resentence the defendant accordingly the judgments of conviction and sentences imposed thereon are vacated and the cause is remanded for further proceedings consistent with the views here and. So they tell him he wins that appeal. They tell him his shit is vacated. Just his sentence, though. And they resentence him to life with parole. So fuck you. You're going to life.

They just don't resentence him to two concurrent life parole. So you got one life with parole. And guess what? When you get in the jury room, I don't think whether it's concurrent or not or in the parole boardroom, whether it's concurrent or not isn't going to matter as much as them going. So you cut an eight year old girl's fucking head off nearly. I'm going to jump over the desk and strangle you. Tell me why I should never mind getting out of jail because we're never letting you out.

Tell me why I shouldn't strangle you personally right here in this fucking room with my shoelaces, you piece of shit. So he does a prison interview at one point. The outside with some newspaper uh it's he's outside pueblo colorado he says quote all i understand is that i was out of my mind uh it was like something had taken hold of me like i was in a nightmare when i was taking michelle's life i was trying to stop from doing it and i just couldn't wake up from the nightmare you poor baby they he oh you know what we should let's take him out of it and i just couldn't wake up from the nightmare you poor baby they he oh you know what we should let's take him out of jail and he just you know what he needs he needs

a cup of soup and a warm glass of milk yeah and uh maybe make a nice snuggly blanket and he needs just needs to curl up and get some rest because he couldn't wake up from the nightmare jimmy this poor guy fucking right oh no well guess what her parents have still probably not woken up from this fucking nightmare you piece of shit uh now about they ask him about bev servio his original sexual assault in saint cloud we remember uh he says quote i don't think that i would have killed her he said i don't think i don't think i would have killed her now the reporter actually did a good job here reporter pressed him as to whether or not, like, are you sure you wouldn't have killed her? You killed anybody else that you like killing people. And he said, then he thought about it and he goes, I'm not sure.

He went from, I don't think I would have killed her. He's like, I'm not sure. I might have killed her. You're actually. It's possible. It could have got good to me there and I might have killed her. Yeah. Now, 2000, he is labeled a sex offender by the administrative board in prison

it is not clear whether this is for his previous actions uh but he wasn't convicted for which i don't see how that would be or if this was for something that happened in prison we're not sure but he's labeled a sex offender by a prison administrative board okay Okay. Now, 2005 St. Cloud, Minnesota. Buckle the fuck up because this is bad shit. Police say they are reinvestigating, reopening a murder from 1974. This is two years before the Bev Servio incident. This is when two sisters, 12-year-old Suzanne and 15-year-old Mary Recker, went missing after going to a local store to buy school supplies on

Labor Day 1974. The most innocent shit in the world. Neither of them ever came home. They were missing for 26 days, these poor girls, until finally they were discovered in Quarry Park and Nature Reserve in the town right next to St. Cloud. People go there to cliff dive and rock dive and fish and swim and all that shit. And there's a bunch of quarries that have walking trails. And old Micah mines and the kids yell down.

They hear their voice and won't tell you what the teenagers do down there. Sorry, great outdoors reference needed to be made. So they have the deepest swimmable one. Swim hole there is 116 feet deep. So it's deep. It's deep. It's a that's deep it's a recreation area uh suzanne's body was found suzanne is the 12 year old was found at the bottom of a rock quarry under a bush and mary's body was found in a quarry filled with water 40 feet 40 feet below the surface both girls had been stabbed multiple times in the chest and neck uh so yeah

not throats not cut though but hey you progress and you figure out what you like and uh now uh they think it was a local person and they were even investigating michael bardeshevsky for it back in the day after the bev servio thing right they it was the same kind of knife he had for her that she identified as a knife was the same type of knife that these little girls were stabbed with okay mo same thing so they strongly thought it was him and they were really looking at him uh there was there was a few names that they were looking at there's another man who's in prison for murder uh who also uh his mo fits also as a guy they call it mr x in the press they don't they don't give him a name but this guy

they give a fucking name to uh so uh they uh they this little girl it's so sad mary uh the 15 year old wrote in her diary if i am murdered find my killer see that justice wins over i have a few reasons to fear for my life and i and what i ask is important she's 15 years old and she writes that why does the 15 year old have enough people in her life that they want that's some shit that like a person who's on the run from the mob rights or some shit like that's what the fuck what happened in whitey bulger's yeah uh diary that's crazy a 15 year old and she was scared of something she didn't tell anybody That should have been Whitey Bulger's diary. That is crazy. A 15-year-old has that to say. And she was scared of something. She didn't tell anybody about it.

She didn't tell her parents. She didn't tell anybody. Nobody. She just held it, and then she ended up being killed. It's fucking heartbreaking. It's disgusting. It's fucking disgusting. So these two girls, the Wrecker sisters here, it's still out there.

And they talk about newspaper headlines. The police bungled the shit out of this investigation from the start, which is why no arrests were ever made. Number one, they said they just didn't have the manpower to correctly do this. Newspaper headlines talked about lost police reports. Suspects, they identified suspects and never talked to them like Michael. They never talked to Michael. He was a suspect that they were investigating. They fucking even said hey buddy where were you that day hey don't leave town yet nothing questions and he's a moron if you asked him he probably would have

said i might have been a i might have done it he would have fucking he would have cracked i could see me i could see me doing it now i've seen me do it once you didn't hear that i mean i've heard yeah that i've done it. And taking him out to an area that Bev Servio, same thing, taking her out to an area. Also, allegations that one of the investigators actually left the department and took evidence with him. What the fuck, man? So they lost shit. They didn't follow up on shit.

And then one guy took evidence with him, I don't know, home or to Florida to retire or some shit. Now, 31 years later, in 2005, they said they're working the case like it was yesterday. They said, quote, despite all the years and the terribly rocky start of the case, if you want to fucking call it that, they said a lot of the clues might have been in their file from the beginning that they overlooked. One of the people, I'm sorry, they did talk to Bartoszewski. They didn't talk to the other suspect. They talked to him about it now, especially Michael Bartoszewski. He grew up just a few blocks from the Wrecker girls, which is way too close for comfort here.

So he's there. He's been identified for years. Even old newspaper accounts talk about the knife. They went back and checked that. The same type of knife that killed uh this that killed michelle also killed those two girls we don't know if it's the same knife or if he just fancies a particular hunting knife all three girls were stabbed repeatedly in the chest uh bardeshevsky says he has nothing to do with the wrecker murder now uh he says he says he in

1974 he was 15 years old and he says he didn't start drinking until two years later. That's how the Bev Servio thing happened. He was blackout drunk. He was blackout drunk here. He's saying, I get so drunk, that's when I start committing crimes. And he goes, I didn't even start drinking when I was 15, so I couldn't have killed him. I'd remember that shit. That's what he's basically saying.

What a terrible excuse. That's a terrible excuse. He says that it's not possible that he did it it's just not possible um he says that it's been years since anybody's talked to him and he says he passed a lie detector test in that in that case which the uh minnesota police said no he didn't but they also said half our shit's missing so we might have had that in the file fucking ridiculous uh bardeshevsky by the way, is the only person kind of who they've really narrowed it on as a real suspect. Except for that one other guy.

But they really feel like he grew up a few blocks away. It's just too close. They like him for it. And that's what he's done in the past. And it works. Yeah. And his progression is. But I mean, at 15 to brutally kill two girls like that.

That's crazy. That's a tough one. But I don't. This guy kind of transcends age and normalcy of murder. 2011, his brother Paul dies. Now, that has nothing to do with anything, but it might have hurt him, and so good. Fuck him. Sorry, Paul and Paul's rest of his family.

You got nothing to do with it, but to hurt him, it's fine. Your brother's a dick. Yeah, his brother died at 53. Yeah, it's Paul. Paul Bartoszewski. 2012, and this is sad because the the Wrecker family has never

given up. I mean, 2012, this is almost 40 years later, they never stopped. They were constantly hounding the police, constantly beating the drum, just trying to get justice. I mean, it said it in her fucking diary. Get justice for me.

You your kids better go and do it. Yeah, that's I'm sorry. That's your Inigo Montoya. And you're you know, you killed my father, prepared to die at this point. Like you're you have to fucking avenge the death at this point. She asked you to 2012 Frederick Recker, who's their father, dies dies which is so fucking sad to me seeing it that that's that poor guy never got to see that he had to die with that and

him that it was just who knows who did it and they might still be out there who knows awful 2013 he has been he's still in prison Michael and he has been up for parole every three years since 1999 and has been denied on every occasion.

Good. Thank fuck for that. So he is filing a case appealing the parole denials. You didn't do that? No, not really. That's what they kind of come up with. It's like, first of all, they give all these reasons. We'll talk about it here.

They denied the petitioner parole on his application. The reasons indicated by the parole board the last one because they can only talk about the last one uh denying the petitioner release in 2011 were quote aggravating factors and inadequate time served served also didn't accept responsibility you kill an eight-year-old girl you better be perfect and a hundred years old and in a wheelchair before we're letting you out of fucking jail here crying every day apologizing yeah that's what i mean saying how horrible you are and fucking i don't know i now this i never recommend i want to see you i want to i want to see you show some reverence for the baby jesus at this point i want some far whatever you choose i don't care i want

to see you accept some sort of god even though i don't believe in any of that shit. I feel like for you, you need it. You fucking need it. He says, he's like, this is bullshit. He is pissed off. He says that the parole board abuses its discretion by relying on aggravating factors that are more than 30 years old. How dare these people? Apparently meaning the circumstances.

How dare they bring up how brutally I murdered an eight-year-old girl? That was so long ago. I mean, who hasn't? 30 years ago, we've all cut an eight-year-old's throat, haven't we? We've all had some experiences. Everybody's done that. He also argues in support of the claim. He says the parole board, quote, did not take into consideration the programs that he's completed and the excellent work ratings that he has in prison.

He's good at sweeping, Jimmy. He's good at putting slop on a tray. So it's fine that you killed an eight year old. He really wants out. He really wants out. He says that his excellent behavior shows that he would do excellent on parole. No, because there's knives and little girls out on the outside. None of them exist in prison.

There's knives and little girls out on the outside. None of them exist in prison. And something tells me this is the kind of pussy that would not fucking go near a grown man and try some shit because he knows he'd get fucking stomped. And so he would never do that. He's going to go after a woman with a baby and a child and 12 year olds is a fucking coward. He says, yeah, they abused. They also the parole board abused its discretion when it denied him parole based on his failure to participate in sex offender treatment, which we'll talk about in a second here. He talks a lot about the the defend the the sex offense treatment that he shouldn't have to do. According to him, the circumstances of his offense are no longer relevant to the question of whether he can succeed on parole. He says because if he, quote, was going to be a troublemaker on parole, it would have showed up in his prison record. He also says that he should

be paroled because, quote, the only reason he committed these offenses was because he was under the influence of alcohol and he would not return to alcohol upon his return to his society because he's completely changed his entire lifestyle and his prison record will back this up it shows it shows well you haven't been able to get drunk and kill little girls in prison shocking i'm real shocked about that it's fascinating when when they can try to justify all this i turned it around he sounds like my kid trying to get get back into his xbox when he's been grounded from it. That's exactly what it is. The excuses are fucking intense.

Only difference is there's no blood on your son's hands at that point. He hasn't murdered a child, thankfully. Luckily. They say that there's no question that the nature of the crime committed by him, he says, of the time already served, are proper factors of consideration. He says of the time already served are proper factors to consider of consideration. He says if they were to basically they said if if the judge says if I were to determine the parole board placed too much emphasis on 30 year old circumstances of the petitioner's offense, he still fails to demonstrate he's entitled to relief because the parole board also relied on his failure to accept responsibility. Quote, where the denial of parole rests on one constitutionally valid ground, the board's consideration of allegedly invalid ground would not violate a constitutional right in other words sit there and eat dicks till they say you're out motherfucker yeah be lucky they don't goddamn

choke you parole boards that's the two biggest things one show fucking remorse and two make try and take advantage of the programs that are that are built into prisons and some crimes are just beyond whatever you can't make up for killing an eight you're not getting out of there on your first parole attempt you didn't back her back over backing out of the driveway you fucking brutally stabbed her for no reason so many times fuck man uh they said uh they talk about the uh his his failure to responsibility. And they say that he said, I think I did it, but I'm not certain on his audio recording. He said that in a parole interview. So he's still not saying I did.

He's still saying, I think I did it, but I'm not sure. So they're going not good enough, dickhead. They end up telling him that he's correct, that the second claim basically, fuck you, is what they say, as we'll talk about here he also at this point seeks uh reconsideration of his classification as a sex offender uh he's also doing he doesn't he's very sensitive jimmy he doesn't want anyone thinking badly of him he's like that looks terrible on my record what are you doing here he's so concerned with records and all that you're in fucking prison for killing an eight-year-old i'm

don't know how no one has killed you in there yet his concern is demerit yeah he's concerned with that he's a classification is this everyone people look down on me oh no not that uh they were denied that request too we don't even care if it's true or not just fucking stay away from everybody needs to stay away from you 2014 uh he sues the state michael does uh more specifically parole board members uh he's he is really our board members of the administrative board who labeled him a sex offender i apologize he's super concerned about his reputation for a guy who killed a little girl uh court uh court should say said basically there's no difference. You're a piece of shit either way. So they were like, we don't care if you fucking are a sex offender or not.

He sues everybody. He sues Jesus Christ. He brings hearing officers, therapists, all these different people claiming violations of his due process rights. It's fucking nuts here. They basically tell him to go fuck his mother. Then he appeals again for about the due process rights. And the judge found that he does not have a due process right to reconsideration of a sex offender status. He's like, that's not a fucking like a that's not like you.

It's not a thing that we can just overturn in a courtroom. Like there's a there's a procedure for that that the court's not like you it's not a thing that we can just overturn in a courtroom like there's a there's a procedure for that that the court's not involved with it's not so much as a fucking ankle bracelet this is yeah this is something that's just late you can't just take it off this is forever it's a while yeah he says just as there is no federal due process right to appeal a final judgment in a state criminal case uh absent estate blah blah blah uh an inmate or stay in state prison does not have a constitutional right to appeal his sex offenders classification in a prison administrative proceeding.

Like, no, we shouldn't even be here. I love when the judge is like, we shouldn't even be here because this is stupid. You're silly. You shouldn't even have been allowed to file it. Your attorney is a complete asshole for even letting you put that out there.

Honestly, let's be realistic here. Uh, so, uh, the here uh so uh the uh the uh the court the judge also found that uh seeking to his initial classification as a sex offender he says the statute of limitations has expired on his on him on michael being able to challenge that really the board they said well you're doing it now but you needed to do it then and with a different person and you didn't do that so guess you're a sex offender fuckhead uh yeah they said

the statute of limitations began to run on november 29th 2000 when he received a notice of the decision classifying him as a sex offender uh they say uh the limitations period expired on november 29th 2002 because the plaintiff did not seek review of his classification or initiate this case until 2013. It makes no difference of his argument. His challenge to his classification as a sex offender is barred by the statute of limitations. Why the fuck are we here? He should have looked up into that.

And then the judge got up, gave everybody the finger all around, slapped his ass and walked off the fucking walked off out of the court. And it was wonderful. It's a fucking sad case. I couldn't find a little Michelle to find a grave there. But the other two, Suzanne Marie and Mary Catherine Recker, are both in St. Cloud. And they're buried up there in St. Cloud.

And their mother's still alive. And their mother is still very, very much interested in justice for her little girls, which I don't fucking blame her, obviously, because that's that's the thing, man. All these guys that we find that do some crazy shit like this, like to a stranger or to someone else or not, not like the guys who like, you know, kill their wives. It's a different story because it's a different it's very personal. It's totally different, you know, but these that you never know what the fuck they did before this. There's an escalation. There's a practice. There's a whole thing that these people develop and God knows what he did when he was drifting around.

We don't know what he did between Minnesota and Nevada. Yeah, we have no fucking idea. That's a lot of states. A lot of states for a guy with a knife who has no problem raping and killing right like this is fucked up man and we don't know what he did and we'll never know because it was the 70s and these police forces didn't talk to each other who the shit knows uh record girls never got justice and i feel um you know horrible for the talbot's act obviously um that was a rough one. If you liked it, though, what you can do, you can head on over to iTunes, Apple Podcasts, whatever it is.

Give us five stars. Tell us your following instructions, following directions. It doesn't really matter. It's not for our egos. It's funky algorithms. It's the funky algorithms. Also, maybe you want to follow us on social media, which is at Small Town Murder on Instagram, at, at murdersmall on Twitter, smalltownpod on Facebook. And you can do all of those.

You can find us on all those different places through one particular stop, which is shutupandgivememurder.com. You can follow us on social media. You can buy T-shirts and mugs and bath mats and all sorts of shit with crap that we say on it. Have something that says shut up and give me murder and wear it to work and see how cool your boss is let's do that something like that while you're on that website the other thing you can do is get tickets for the upcoming live shows i am telling you uh the phoenix show we just had to schedule so that there's some tickets left that we need to sell

because we just announced it it's a brand new show it's a brand new show so we got about a week and a half to fill this bad boy up. So please get in there and buy those tickets. Don't wait till the last minute to make us lose our minds and be stressed out. But the rest of the tour is going to sell out in the next couple weeks, I have a feeling, just based on it. There's maybe a couple that'll have some tickets. But if you want to go see us, man, get your tickets now because they are going super fast. And then we're not touring for a little while.

We're going to be taking a while off. We have some other shit we need to do not off from the show we'll be putting out two podcasts a week but we will be taking some time off with a couple exceptions of a couple spot shows that we have commitments for make up april we have to make up uh we have to make up seattle and then we also have another little surprise thing that we'll tell you about that's going to be so much fun. But other than those, man, we're going to take a little break from touring and work on some other small town murder related projects. In addition to the podcast, some really cool stuff

that you guys are hopefully going to be super into. Enjoy some life, James. Well, I don't know about that. We'll be working twice as hard actually. We have a bunch of other stuff to do. But then in between, in the small moments, we're going to be enjoying life. It's going to be a lot of fun. So do that.

Ten minutes at a time. That's the way to do it, baby. That's the way to do it. So I'm telling you guys, thank you. Buy the tickets up right there. Please, please do that. Also, if you want to be one of our damn heroes, our superstar, we say producers because producers make a show go. You're amazing.

You guys are our producers, our executive producers. You keep it going. We can't thank you enough. You can be a producer and be one of our best friends by going over to patreon.com slash crime and sports. And you can find this link on shut up and give me murder dot com. You can make a donation there or you can make a one time donation at PayPal using our email address, which is crime and sports at Gmail dot com. And I have to say, I can't wait anymore, Jimmy. I need to hear the list of my favorite damn people on the face of the earth.

Jimmy, hit me with it now. This week's executive producers are Candace Kennedy, Craig Cole and Christiane Castaldi. A bunch of C's. Alliterative motherfuckers. Thank you. We appreciate that. And Jennifer Thomas, Joanna James, Michelle Jolly, and Meg Smith. Thank you guys so much for coming through.

That's fucking huge. So much. Make your names have the same letters, though. But thank you. All of you. No, honestly, thank you very much. The Zookeepers, Court and Jacob up at the— Oh, cool.

What is that? It's in— Nashville, right? Knoxville. Knoxville. Knoxville. Knoxville. Knoxville Zoo. Yeah, we have our penguin and our tiger up here in the studio.

The tiger, I don't know if it's the same tiger, but one of the tigers died. Oh, shit. I'm so sad. Well, we have a painting and it could be now, if he died, that's art's worth a lot more when the artist died. I think it was one of the orange and black ones. The white tiger. I'm sad the tiger had to die. It's a bummer.

That's really sad shit. Dalton is a bitch. Okay. Dalton tiger had to die. It's a bummer. That's really sad shit. Dalton is a bitch. Okay. Dalton, you bitch ass. That's fine. How polite I said that. Yeah, Dalton is a bitch. You said like you were calling someone's name.

Dalton is a bitch. Your order's ready. Real proper like. Yeah. Sean Hartley, Scott Wiles, Cammy J. She donated two times, by the way, throughpal and then through uh also thank you so much that's insane mr mj gooding uh bill uh fuck it's zinske that's it hey he donated twice on paypal wow thank you man appreciate kelly higby a logan logan's um zweefelhofer wow that's it

jesse hartman amy uh amy amy r eichard uh barbara pagani the one that sent us the the ass wipe thank you so much barb you have tons of toilet paper that's road paper road paper you betcha uh road shit tickets road shit tickets uh natalie moore carol uh dannenhofer that's a lot of hoffers already this week she's often elizabeth elizabeth yarwood gary howard Howard, Reagan Schalke, Stephanie Agoa, Angela Miller, Lauren Demerath, Matt Dietrich, Crystal Lamb, Cat Power, again up in New York. Thank you, Cat. I hope you're doing better. Elizabeth Wolfinger.

Either way. Both are good. They're both great. Margie Kunze, Bryant Toole, Justin Miller, Kate Ives, Tyler Hales, or better known as Cheeto. Sure. Good for you. Give us money. You're Cheeto to me.

You're Cheeto all day long. Christian Perry. You'll always be Cheeto to me. Under the Sea Fabrics. If you're a cross-stitcher, go see her. Jessica Willis. Katie Heisel. Again, thank you so much for coming out in Portland.

It was good to see you. Robert Roberts. No, Rob Roberts. Not Rob. It's probably Robert Roberts. Robert Roberts and Howard Howard, his brother. you so much for coming out in portland it was good to see you uh robert robert no rob roberts not rob it's probably robert roberts robert roberts and howard howard his brother jill williams jake lasconis uh lonnie hall lindsey bullfinch and casey uh hundle oh wow that's a couple oh thank you uh richard strout uh tira tira te Ah, you bastard. That's Tila Tequila. I was going to say. You're fucking ruining me. That's terrible. Tim Lex.

It's Tila Tequila with the R's because you look like an asshole when you say it like that. Exactly. So they got me to look like an asshole. That's fine. Whatever. They gave us money. They paid for it, so it's fine. John Levitt.

Nicola Elliott. Happy birthday. Sharon Lugoni. Yes. Karen M. Spence. Nick Grahamham bob daly danny cav i think that the cave could be cave yeah it's cav danny thank you knows victoria gabay uh allison thorpe uh noah wooten uh cameron uh fuck what did i do i know franzman that's hey there you go uh tara tara marico or marico uh kanye no kanye kanye kanye probably kanye allen uh ben story reek you can blame kanye west for that yeah yeah that's just

i saw that in your eyes like this isn't kanye didn't give us money did he rocchio valdez uh michael michael maloney no mahoney and that was was the Goots name in fucking Police Academy. Mahoney. Mahoney, yeah. Patience Cole. Goots it up. Ricky Dickey. The Impish Artist.

Nicole Rivas. Jessica Dowd. Kelly. Kelly Powell. Christina Carpenter. Joanne McCauley. Joanne McCauley Goodman. How, why do I, I'm an idiot.

Hannah Barwick. Katie Gonzalez. Gonzalez. Dustin. Dustin Hines, Adam McWaters, Jennifer Provan, sinfully delightful, clean eating. And I found out that's not a business. It's just what she likes to do. And Kimberly Baum. Thank you guys so much for being such amazing people.

We can't do it without you. Thank you. Thank you. Just thank you guys so much for being such amazing people. We can't do it without you. Thank you. Thank you. Just thank you guys so much for everything. Thank you guys for everything you do, for your donations, for coming out to these live shows, for giving a shit about us enough to actually come to these shows, to give us money, to people who bring us things at these live shows, man. It's awesome.

And it's personal shit, and it's cool shit. I mean, they made us a knife, this great company. And the two ladies worked there, Benchmade. And the one was the person who cut the blade. And the other one inscribed these cool things on them. And they're amazing knives. And that's just the tip of the iceberg, man. People gave us cool stuff and jerseys. Oh, Jesus.

It was just crazy, man. The shirts. The amount of shirts and food. It's great. And food. You guys, man, fucking take care of us. And taking care of James is so huge. Both of us.

And thank you guys. I mean, the greenery that shows up for you is fucking outstanding. Thank you. That was outstanding. You guys helped me out so much with that, especially if we're in non-legal states. It's difficult. In the legals. In Portland, I just stopped off at the store.

But, you know, somewhere else, San Francisco will be fine and whatever but if we're in you know minneapolis yeah i need help i need fucking help man we're in chicago i need help yeah we'll see philly come through philly yeah you know that but uh cincinnati i need you buddy yeah so yeah do that come out to these shows though thank you guys for every goddamn thing you do for us and for giving a shit and for hanging out with us because we're on the road alone and uh you know it sucks man we're we're we're out there so boring it is man so we're sitting in a hotel all day and shit so it's nice to talk to you guys at the end of the night and have a good time so do that and we will see you uh all of that good shit we'll see you at all these live shows and what if these people wanted

to tell you how much they can't wait to see you at a live show, Jimmy? How do they find you? You can find me at Wisman Sucks, W-H-I-S-M-A-N Sucks, on Twitter, Instagram, and Snapchat. And I appreciate everything you guys do for us. Eric Hummel sent us from Earth and Honey. Oh, those are cool. He sent us like waxes and candles and shit. Yeah, they're really nice. They smell great. The guy worked his ass off to start a company.

The one smells just like Froot Loops. It's insane. He's in like boot leather waxes. Yeah, it's really cool. And root beer candles. Go to Earth and Honey. Dude really hustles, man. Support this guy.

We like to do this with some of our listeners that have good companies and have real cool products. We like to support them. So go out there and support these people if you're looking for that sort of thing. Find them on Facebook, Earth and Honey LLC. There you go. Some nice smelling good stuff there. So thank you there. If you want to find me. What about you?

Very easy to do. At Jimmy P is funny. You can find me there or copy and paste my last name from the show description. Don't be a hero and try to spell it because you're going to hurt yourself. With that said guys, we have had a crazy time. Thanks for hanging in with a crazy, crazy horrible story that will keep us

all up at night. Jesus. That those people are out there. It's horrible. Psychotic. It's psychotic. But we'll keep coming back and we'll keep doing it again and again. And until next week, everybody, it's been our pleasure. Bye. Hey, Prime members, you can listen to Small Town Murder early and ad-free on Amazon Music.

Download the Amazon Music app today. Or you can listen early and ad-free with Wondery Plus and Apple Podcasts. Before you go, tell us about yourself by completing a short survey at wondery.com slash survey. It's all a lighthearted nightmare on our podcast, Morbid. We're your hosts. I'm Alina Urquhart. And I'm Ash Kelly. And our show is part true crime, part spooky, and part comedy. The stories we cover are well-research researched. He claimed and confessed to officially killing up to 28 people. With a touch of humor. I'd just like to go ahead and say that if there's no band called Malevolent Deity, that is pretty great. A dash of sarcasm and just

garnished a bit with a little bit of cursing. This mother f***er lied. Like a liar. Like a liar. And if you're a weirdo like us and love to cozy up to a creepy tale of the paranormal. Or you love to hop in the Wayback Machine and dissect the details of some of history's most notorious crimes. You should tune in to our podcast, Morbid. Follow Morbid on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to episodes early and ad-free by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.