Small Town Murder - #94 - Going For His Murder Badge in Petal, Mississippi

Episode Date: November 15, 2018

This week, in Petal, Mississippi, a vicious, and seemingly senseless attack, and murder rocks a family, while everyone else scrambles to find a motive for the highly unlikely suspect. No one can believe the heartless nature of the whole thing, or the killer's terrible alternate version of events. A crazy story, all around!! Along the way, we find out exactly how big a checkerboard can be, exactly how stupid an excuse for murder can be, and what could be the weakest last meal of all time!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday!!Please subscribe, rate, and review!Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!Head to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder!For merchandise: crimeinsports.threadless.comCheck out James and Jimmie's other show: Crime in Sports Follow us on social media!Facebook: facebook.com/smalltownpodInstagram: instagram.com/smalltownmurderTwitter: twitter.com/MurderSmall Contact the show: [e-mail] See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Send them over there. We check them out. And once in a while, one of them will pop up when it fits the criteria of what we're looking for here. And that said, man, I think I think we need the disclaimer at this point. Let's do it. Let's do the disclaimer. Listen, this is a comedy podcast. OK, it's a comedy show.

We're comedians. We are. That's the way it is. So we're going to make jokes. There's jokes around this stuff. There's and if you say what's so funny about murder? Anyway, there's a lot funny about a murder. Not necessarily the actual act of the murder, obviously, but around it.

Think about the circumstances. There's always crazy people. The murderers usually aren't too stable. There's small towns. In this case, there's bumbling police forces. There's so much around it to laugh at. And we're going to do our best to do that. If you can't find it, then you're not looking hard enough.

You're not looking hard enough. But what we will also do our best to do is to not make fun of the victims or the victims' families. That's kind of how we roll here. Because we're assholes, but we're not scumbags. That is true. That's the truth there. So if that sounds great to you and you're on board, awesome. We're going to get along.

We're going to have a good time. We're all in the car. We're on the way to rob the liquor store. So we're all involved at this point no complaining if someone accidentally squeezes the trigger and a small korean lady's brains end up on the plastic vodka bottles and cartons of marlboros behind the counter on the lotto tickets on the lotto tickets you are just as involved for those brains on the scratchers as anybody else out there so uh no complaining. We're all on board. And if you think true crime and comedy should never, ever go together

and no joke should be made in any sphere of a murder possible, then you're not going to like the show, probably. Fuck, out of here. And have a good one. Nice to meet you. Unsubscribe, probably best for both of us. Everybody else who wants to have fun

and have a good time and enjoy your life because you're not murdered yet, obviously, if you're listening. Yet, I specify, you never know. You never know. I think you should shout out as loud as you can, wherever you are, in your car, on your stairmaster, wherever the hell you are. On the bus.

On the bus. If you're in a conservative office, maybe go into the bathroom, go into the stall, say it quietly to yourself, into some toilet paper, but shout out, shut up, and give me murder. Let's do this. What do you say, Jimmy? I would love to go on a trip. Let's go on a trip. All right. Let's do this. We were in New Jersey last week. We were in the Southern New Jersey panhandle, which by the way, we got some feedback on that. Number one, everyone from New Jersey was like, nailed that area. Nobody was like, hey, fuck you.

It's great there. Everyone was like, you nailed that perfect. Only thing is, locally, they're called pineys. That's what they call themselves? Southern Jersey people. No, no, that's not what they call themselves. That's what the rest of them call. They're pineys because that's the pine forest down there.

And they're south of the pine forest. So this one guy said, that's like worse than a piney. That's piney fucking plus. Piney squared squared the pineys make fun of those people yeah they'll make fun of those people so uh interesting we were in new jersey now let's head down south uh to mississippi oh yeah we're going southern should we we're doing it jimmy to the site of our first small town murder which was in mississippi if you remember episode number one and one of the few places we got shit from people for making fun of it's true the mississippi people are very sensitive as people in shitty places normally are very

sensitive which you shouldn't be we live in arizona we make fun of it because we know it's terrible you should do the same with your shitty town or city wherever you are your state you know in new jersey no one got mad they're like it is fucking terrible it's even worse where you were talking about holy shit it's awful down there so uh mississippi for a sense of humor mississippi place with so much uh ingrained and historical hatred yeah uh they're they're rather sensitive why are you so sensitive they're a little sensitive and for a state with state with one of the lower literacy rates in the country, it's odd that they have such a difficult state to spell. That's also interesting. Good job here.

Arizona, too, the state we're in. We were the last state to take Martin Luther King back. Oh, yeah, yeah. I know. Arizona's terrible. It's a tough state. We're never shooting down. No.

We're always just, you know. We're always picking off people above us. It's above us. There's no down from here. So, sorry. You know, we're all in the same boat with you. It sucks. So, we're going to Pedal, Mississippi.

Pedal. This is Southern Mississippi, too. This is. Like Rose Pedal or like Pedal a Bike? P-E-T-A-L. Okay. Like a rose. And if one of you says it's P-T-A-L, go fuck yourself.

It's not. That's not how you say that word. So, no, it's not. I'm just trying to think. Is it pedal, P-E-D-A-L? That's pedal on a bike. No, that's D-L-L-E. Oh, yeah, you're right.

What am I? No, that's to, like, sell something. To pedal something. That's like if you're pedaling drugs. Never mind. I'm a good speller, I swear. Yeah, no, I know you are. That's fine.

We're going to get past this. I think this is rose pedal. I think it's like that. We need to move on. Anyway, either way, it's at the very bottom the very bottom of the county it's in, which the county, it's so amazing. The county, this isn't at the bottom of the county, but the county it's in, the very southern part of it is in the Mississippi Panhandle.

Right in the middle. So this is a Mississippi Panhandle county anyway. So last week we had the Jersey panhandle and now Mississippi. So we are just diving into the wonderful places. Sifting through it. You know, sifting is a good word. It's about an hour 40 to Jackson, Mississippi, which is the capital. About two hours to Louisiana, to New Orleans over there.

So, I mean, you can get down there. And about four hours and 20 minutes to Sarah, Mississippi, our first episode, which is way up in northern Mississippi over there. It feels weird even saying the word north in Mississippi, even if it doesn't belong there. It's so southern. It's so southern. The whole state is south. Yeah. And, yes, we are biased. And I have nothing against the south.

I'm from New York. And when we go to Georgia, I'm going to pretty much hide out in my hotel room to avoid a Mike Cousin Vinny situation happening in any way, shape, or form. I don't know. I don't know what's going to happen down there. I want to see you in a blue sharkskin suit digging a car out of the mud. No, I'll be Ralph Macchio. That's my concern.

And I'm not going to be Vinny. I'm going to be Ralph Macchio. And they're going to pin some horrible thing on me. I shot a hillbilly. It's a Ford Tempest. It's in Forest County here. Zip code 39465. Area code 601.

It's about 17 square miles. And the motto of this town, this is on the website, and they really tout this a lot, is the friendly city. That's the motto of this town this is on the website and they really tout this a lot is the friendly city that's the motto i prefer my motto which is mississippi the new jersey of the south which i think that's that's i like that they put the friendly city the friendly city this is the friendly one all the other ones they're gonna run you out of town before dark you know what's going on there you know what's happening there this is the friendly one. All the other ones, they're going to run you out of town before dark. You know what's going on there. You know what's happening there. This is the friendly one. We never ask you. You ain't from around here, are you?

We never ask that. We just assume it because we know everyone here. We've taken boy out of our lexicon. Yeah, it's pretty good. It's not bad. We've deleted it. What do you call a small man? A small man.

A small man. That's what we call him. A child. A male child. We do not. What is it? Is it a boy or a girl? We don't say that. We don't say them words around here. It is a male child we do not what is it is it a boy or a girl we don't say that say them words

around here uh it is a male it's that's great uh it's a it's uh located along the leaf river for whatever that's worth uh the first postmaster of petal was uh irving a pulk now this is only important because of the name of the town derives from him. The post office was established in 1903 here. Him and his wife, Irving, and his wife, Lydia, had a daughter named Gladys Petalpoke. And she was born in 1902, and she died at two years old. Jesus. Of diphtheria, which is a thing that people died of. That dip took a lot of good kids.

On the Oregon Trail, and a 100 years ago, that took some. Back then, too, that was like, mep, kid died of diphtheria, too. Everyone was like, oh, that sucks. That's crazy. You had five more? Okay, good. Took my niece and nephew, too. Yeah, you had five more.

How many of them died? You got two left? Hey, congratulations. Two out of six ain't bad. That's good. That's how it went back then before vaccinations and shit. So she died, and so they ended up naming the town after her. I assume the postmaster just started fucking putting it on things. And then that became the name of the town without a formal meeting.

Right. And this little girl's name over and over and over again. And a portrait of the baby hangs in the Petal Civic Center. Also. Christ. Yeah. Creepy. That's not a hundred year old baby.

A hundred twenty year old. You know, it just looks like a ghost child, which is scary because it is If that's not a reminder. A hundred-year-old baby. A hundred-twenty-year-old. You know, it just looks like a ghost child, which is scary, because it is. That's what's scary. That's exactly what it is. Pictures, old pictures of children. They look like frightening ghost children. Like, if you see the worst, we went to a restaurant one time, and there was a family of Mennonites there. And there was, like, eight fucking Mennonite children running around.

And they're basically... Oh, these were alive ones. These were were alive ones but they look like ghost children i'm like these are kids dressed like it's 18 fucking 90 this is the creepiest shit i've ever seen them like civil war soldiers walking through you 10 year olds with bonnets on i'm like what the fuck is that about yeah it's the worst so why would you do that to your kid floor length dresses and bonnets that's wonderful and the little boys running around with blocked hats, trying to grow a beard and shit. I'm like, this is terrible. Goddamn awful.

And Petal is also buried in the Hattiesburg City Cemetery. This was most, until the 70s, this was part of Hattiesburg, Mississippi. It's part of that area. But it's not. That's where our friend Drew and his girlfriend Jessie are at. That's right. We met in Nashville. They were very cool. Yes, that's true. And they make

t-shirts. They do. Also, yeah, you should buy those t-shirts, by the way. May as well. What are they? They're nice people. Let's plug them. Yeah, they're great people. The shirts are Never Have a Bad Day shirt. You can find them on Facebook. Let's make this the plug minute at all. buy sarah's book uh it's very goddamn funny i'm telling you that i'm not saying if i husband or not if it sucked i'd be like she wrote a book but it's

actually fucking hilarious it really is so buy it's called small potatoes sarah hunt get it on amazon uh you'll enjoy it trust me her sense of humor is is dark and funny and it's about just funny shit so anyway this post office here uh we'll get to this they said the post office needed a name and uh there's a different accounts of who came up with it but somebody suggested pedal during a community picnic is basically what happened and they said yeah sure that's nice and uh uh the wife of the dead child thought that was a nice gesture so they did it and who cared back then there was nobody there anyway so what the fuck did they care and yeah and everybody in the town probably just felt that way just yeah it's the friendly town it's the friendly

town so we'll take in this baby here uh for much of uh petals existence most of it it was known as the largest unincorporated town in the United States. I don't know whether that's actually true or not, but that's what they called it all the time. Because it was separate. It was still kind of in Hattiesburg, but it was a separate community completely that had a pretty good population of its own. So it made no sense for it to be part of Hattiesburg.

I hate that that was a competition. The largest city of anything. We're the largest unincorporated home rule fucking state. There's a shitload of us not following the rules down here. No, it just means that they're, yeah, it's so weird. And every state has a different definition of this horse shit, too. Who the hell wants to be in a giant-ass city like that? Well, in that.

I don't want anything to, I don't know. Well, if you live in the who the hell knows i get really upset when when the just the we're the largest this or the largest that yeah i don't whether it's the largest ball of yarn or the largest anything whatever your largest is if if that's what if you need to have a largest to put your town on the map it's sad especially largest unincorporated where do people go hey? Hey, honey, pack the kids up. We're going to pedal. Why? Is there like a Six Flags there or something? No.

It's the largest unincorporated town in the United States. Okay. You can get everything there except incorporated. Okay. What do they have there? It's like regular shit, like everything. They got Walmart and a Denny's and shit, and we'll just go there and have a grand slam. We'll come back.

It's fine. Just fuck. just go there and have a grand slam we'll come back it's fine just fuck so uh april of 74 1974 that is i guess i should differentiate petal separated from hattiesburg and on april 5th 1974 it was incorporated as the city of petal so there you go uh it's separated uh then it was it's all farmers out there too it's a different life than the hattiesburg people have so it's just different at that time 1974 it was all farmers that's all it was a rural farming community and uh slowly though that started changing and say modernized there's less farms there's more shit going on including this is big business when this comes to town jimmy now i should have put this in things to do but we'll'll find out why I couldn't. But this here, I mean, I'm surprised.

I'm really surprised they didn't make this the new Hollywood. Or, I mean, just move D.C. Just move the White House here, honestly, because in 79, the International Checker Hall of Fame came here. What is there, two people in that? And that is actually, I think you're going checker. No, this is actually people who play checkers well. Jesus. That's the Hall of Fame that's here.

It opens in 1979. They're all seven. All seven of them. Founded by a guy named Troy Ford. Now, Troy, regular spelling, F-O-R-D-E, the O has a fucking line through it like he's a Nordic person, but the Troy has no fucking line. Why is that? I understand it's probably different pronunciations, but no.roy has no fucking line why is that i understand it's probably different pronunciations but no is that fjord is that i don't know why do you have so

many ways to write a vowel i don't understand with the slashes above the dots and there's dots and there's lots and there's stop it enough we get it use other letters to tell us how to pronounce it doesn't matter if you speak the language you can pronounce it either way probably well there's probably an o and then there's five different ways to do it i get that but you can also accentuate that with another letter that makes that sound and then again that's english so what the fuck do we know if that letter creates a problem in the pronunciation of the word change the fucking or you can just change the word you can do anything you want you're in control that's what we're saying. Do your thing here. But it was located, this Checkers Hall of Fame, in a Tudor-style mansion in Petal, Mississippi.

It housed a large collection of Checkers memorabilia. What is that? Checkerboards. There's three things for a checkerboard. The first kinging that ever occurred. You got red, you got black, you got a red and black board. That's it. It had been home

to a statue of Checkers' great Marion Tinsley. A Checkers library. How many fucking books are in a Checkers library? And a museum, as well as the two

largest Checker boards in the world and host to a number of Checker tournaments. Unfortunately, it was destroyed by fire in 2007. The whole thing burned to the fucking ground.

In 2007? 2007. Took it a while to burn. It took almost 20 years. It's fucking crazy, too. They had this... Well, if Marion's so fucking great at checkers, how come I never heard of him or her?

Never heard of her or him. We don't even know what you are. Sorry. I don't even know what to call you. I don't know what to call you. Marion? Marion. Who the hell...

It was featured on Ripley's Believe It or Not, this mansion. Believe it or not, get burned down. Can you fucking believe there's an entire place dedicated to checkers? Isn't that unbelievable? Can you believe anyone cares about this? There's people here. Believe it or not. Look.

People have taken their children here. That's the real believe it or not. That's the believe it or not here. It would host the World Checker Championships. Those are the questions I want Dean Cain asking on that show. I don't want the questions, do you believe that this exists? It's, can you fucking believe this exists? This is the most worthless stupid shit.

Isn't this insane? I think that's what it was. I know it was probably for the world's largest checkerboard. It was like a life-size big thing. But it had to be for... I can't believe this is happening right now. I want Dean... That's the end of the show.

People are employed here. Isn't that amazing? I want Dean Cain to melt down about his career because he's talking about... God damn it. Can you fucking believe that I'm here? This is my fucking job right now. This is my job. At one point, I was Superman.

I could fly away, man. I could fucking fly away. fucking believe this is my fucking job right now this is my job at one point i was superman i could fly away man i could fucking fly away and instead i'm showing you the burnt down husk of a fucking checkers museum do you understand that this isn't even bobby fisher nobody gives a fuck about this it's checkers you ever hear it's this it's chess not checkers and that means checkers is dumb and chess is smart this is a museum dedicated to dumb this is a museum dedicated to people that play a game when they have dementia it's all seven-year-olds inducted as seven-year-olds and 83-year-old people with alzheimer's those are the only inductees little children right in the middle little children

by the way marion tinsley uh uh the bust has also has a letter from tinsley renouncing his checkers championship for some reason i guess he uh yeah i guess he came to his senses came to his senses also has a hall that had a hall that featured a museum with photos of current and former champions which a teaching facility here what you do is you jump one and then if there's another move that you can jump another one and then when you get to the end you say king me that's the teaching there you go uh yeah i would rather see a museum of uh all the pedals old shit that she collected in just two years of life whatever she owned that's what i want to see more than this fucking checkers well the burning of it was shady too because there was a, because there was a guy who was involved with the whole thing, putting it together, ended up getting charged with money laundering in 2005.

And then the museum continued kind of on a limited basis, open only a couple days a week until it burned down. Weird. So it's a little odd thing there, yeah. Somebody hated their job. Somebody didn't like what was happening there. Somebody didn't like what was happening there. Pedal also damaged a lot, extensively, by an F3 tornado on January 21, 2017. So this was very recently.

Apparently, it had kept intensifying as it crossed into the county here and started tearing apart some residential areas of Hattiesburg. And like they said, there was well-constructed brick homes that had roofs torn off and exterior walls even collapsed from brick which is, you gotta be alive, that's intense even the big bad wolf couldn't pop those down, no, an elderly woman was killed, which is how you know it's a disaster because like I've said before if no elderly people die, it's not a

real natural disaster, first thing that that takes is elderly, once an inch of rainfall comes three like three old people just die. It's just how it works. They drop dead in their living rooms. They don't even know why. They don't even drown. So they know what has to happen.

So, yeah, the F3 here crossed over, snapping metal power pylons, damaging buildings and churches and all sorts of shit here. lawns, damaging buildings and churches and all sorts of shit here. Residential area tearing up homes, tore off the entire top floor of a church and then went directly into William Carey University's campus and had a bunch of structural damage and tossed vehicles around the parking lot, windows blown out, top floors and roofs. It's just a crazy fucking storm. It's a real Dorothy affair happening there. And a pastor somewhere is like it took our top floor took the top where all the bibles are that's god's floor it saved all the bible all the all the bible still there all still in the backs of not a drop of rain on them even it was weird just nothing bone dry bone dry now

notable people from here this is notable as as... Well, we got a paddle. Number one, we have Tom Walters, who is a safety for the Washington Redskins, who no one's ever heard of, unless you're a Redskins fan. Cliff Pace, who, guess what he does for a living? He's a race car driver? No. More redneck than that, if that's possible. He's a hunter?

More. He's a bass master? That's possible. He's a hunter? More. He's a bass master? That's right. You got it. Three guesses. Those are the three most redneck things you can think of. Race car driver, hunter, bass master. I am so lightheaded right now.

That hurts. That's amazing. He hit it on the fucking head. In 2013, he became the 43rd world champion of bass fishing at the bass master classic so you even nailed the event the bass master classic in my head i was like say noodling bass master that was perfect fuck even the bass master gee i you said that my eyes lit up like oh my god he got it this is the best thing ever. Thinks oil's in Florida, but nails Bassmaster. No fucking rub. You throw redneck stuff at me.

I'll hit it every time. And then finally, a man who I dislike vehemently, Ray Perkins, who is, you don't know who he is, but he was a University of Alabama wide receiver. He attended Petal High School, where he was an All-American, and then he went on to be a fucking terrible NFL coach. I mean, God-awful fucking embarrassment. He was the coach of the Buccaneers when they were terrible in the early 80s. That fucking awful.

Ray Perkins? Ray Perkins. And then he was the guy who replaced Bill goddamn Parcells on the Giants after they won the Super Bowl after the 90 season. They gave us this fucking drip. He comes in, absolutely ran it into the ground. He had a look on his face like, please don't hit me. He was a douchebag.

He caused my father several broken remote controls over a long season of Giants watching. Put it that way. You son of a bitch bastard. He would yell. So people in this town start out 1980. There's about 8500 people there by 1990. Some people came to. There's about 8,500 people there. By 1990, some people came to their senses and left. About 7,800 people.

By 2000, 7,500 people had gone down. And now it popped back up again. And right now we're at 10,701, which is up about 36% since 1990. That's a lot of bass masters. There's so many bass masters. They heard about the great bass fishing down there and flocked to the area so it's up there median age is actually lower than uh than normal normal is 37.1 and here it's 35 so that's actually younger most of these small towns skew old. The female male populations are to the hundredth of a percent.

They're two hundredths of a percent off the averages. Nailing it. Nailing it. Very average. More married people than not, which in some of these towns, there's more religious people, as we'll get to. So you're going to get kind of the higher marriage rate there. So it's not the best place to be single. Widowed rate's a little higher. There's

a lot of old people, a lot of young people. It's one of those towns. Divorce rates actually higher down here, too, which is odd. Not by a lot, but a little bit here. Single with no children, 11 percent, 11 and a half percent. So, you know, mingle as you as you might. Good luck to you. That's a bleak Tinder profile. That's tough. Well, normally it's about 10%. So they're actually above. They're a little higher? A little higher, actually, because there's some young people.

But with a small population, that's tough. Yeah, yeah, with 10,000. So there's 1,000. There's 1,100 single people roaming around. So good luck to you. That's not good. That's not good with no kids. So hopefully you'll find each other.

Now, race of this town, 77% white, 10% black. So it's a whiter southern town, but there's some black people there. Friendly, remember. Friendly city. The friendly city. The friendly city. Half about 0.52% Asian. So not a lot of Asian there.

It's about 10% of the average that's normally there. 8.29% Hispanics. That's about half the average the average that's normally there uh 8.29 percent hispanics that's about half the average uh hispanic population that's normally around so it's pretty goddamn white that's what we're getting into it's you it's what you think of with a southern town mostly white some black people yeah mississippi yeah uh religion very religious here 69 religious here that's a lot that's way fucking too much for me anyway personal i don't know if you're into that but that's too much church for me and it's it's that's wow that's a lot and you know to a point like the people that say that

they're religious those are the people who go to church those people say they're not religious and they only go a little bit yeah that's they get down there it's like i only go twice a week so i'm not that religious uh let me get i'll let you get let's you're gonna go two for two here top religion down here what do you think you better be 31 baptist christ baptist wow yeah the catholics of the south that's a lot of this are absolutely they are proliferating a great deal 31 31 percent that's 38% of everything else. Heavy Baptist down there. About 9% Catholic.

I figure that's the Hispanic population is 9%, and it's 9% Catholic. So I see a coincidence there, probably. 2.4% LDS. I don't know how they got there, but they're getting in there. 0.02% Jewish. Not a lot of Jewish people there. That's a lot of dudes. Yeah, and 0.08% Jewish. Not a lot of Jewish people there. That's a lot of dudes. Yeah, and 0.08% Muslim.

How about that? A few Muslims. There's more Muslims than Jews. That's interesting, right? 41.7% Democrat in this town, voted Democratic in the presidential election 2012, and 55% Republican. So it's Mississippi. You're not going to get a lot of Democrats down there.

Three over three percent independent, which is actually way higher than normal. It's about double normal. The national normal. It's about just about two percent, a little under two percent. I see three percent and a half. They have. Yeah, they have about three. Yeah.

Three hundred of them. Yeah. I don't know what they are. Who knows? I don't know what they are. Who knows? It's bananas. I don't know. Independent. Unemployment rate here is 6.8%, so that's a little high compared to the national is about 5.2.

So a little high there. Median household income, though, is actually close. Nationally, the national average is about 53,500. Here it is 5151,000. That's great. So that's not bad. That's on par. The high end of the income isn't very high.

There's not a lot above $150,000, but there's a lot in the middle seems to be solid. Middle income seems to be a lot of that there. $20,000 to $40,000. It's something like that. There's a lot of that there. Jobs, there's a lot of retail trade. There's a school there, like we said, the college. So there's educational services and a lot of old people because it is almost double the health care and social assistance type deals down there, too.

So apparently it's paying well. So that's not bad. Cost of living, after all this, 100 being par average normal. Cost of living here is 90. So it's pretty high. That's expensive for Mississippi. It is. The housing is a $76, so the median home cost here, $141,900, which is low.

It's pretty low, but yeah, you expected Mississippi, like Sarah, Mississippi was way low, I think, if we remember from that first episode. I should have went back and checked it out. But it's four hours away from this shit, too. Yeah, that's way up north i'm just in mississippi as a whole uh here it's it's a lot of the houses are between uh hundred and two hundred thousand over fifty percent of the houses are that but there's also a lot there's about twenty percent that are between sixty and a hundred thousand which is low so not a lot in the high high end range and if we said he's on the gulf coast right it is it's on the Gulf Coast, right? It is.

It's on the Gulf Coast. Yeah, this is close to the water. Not too far. It's probably an hour, not even from the water. So if we've convinced you that you need to be in Petal, Mississippi, we have for you the Petal, Mississippi Real Estate Report. Your average two-bedroom rental here, in general, is $880. That's decent.

That's not too shabby. It's about $400 under the national average, so not terrible. I found a three-bedroom, two-bath, 1,364 square feet. There are boards on the windows, so I don't know what that means. That seems like there's probably not windows. That is tornado-proof. Yes, I don't know what happened there. Maybe that's a tornado house. I'm not sure.

$24,900. Okay. So whatever it is, it's a structure for basically the price of a used Toyota. So you can't get a used SUV for $24,900. You can be a tornado-proof house for it. Yeah,900. You can be a tornado-proof house for it. Yeah, maybe. I found a three-bedroom, two-bath, 1,685-square-foot house for $49,900. And this one has windows.

It's livable. It needs some updating, but it's not a bad place. And then finally, I found a nice place to stretch out here. Four-bedroom, three-bath, 2,044 square feet. Not a huge place, but nice. It's brick, so stable in case a tornado rips through town. Unless it's an F3. Unless it's an F3.

Very nice looking house, $227,500. So that's your high end. Things to do here, obviously. You know it's just chock full of things to do. Checkers. Checkers. Bass mastering. You can master bass.

You can be kinged by another person. they're very very things to do or you can go to the city of pedal fall festival which is at hinton park the day will kick off with a car show benefiting the shop with a cop program we've heard of that and we've heard of that in these small towns uh shop local vendors and end the night with a performance by dylan scott who i looked up and is some country person. I have no fucking, he's just some young looking country guy who always, every picture of him, he's in a tank top, which is an odd performing outfit, but he's got a thick beard and a tank top.

They gotta stop that. There's a few of them that do, like Trent Tomlinson used to love doing that. I don't know who that is. I've never heard of these people. The point is, stop with the, put a fucking shirt on. Cover your shoulders, you weirdo. I would agree with with that just cover them and nobody wants to see them and no flip-flops later you get it you got a tattoo good for you you yay yeah so does everyone else get one

on your forearm like a man so if you look at their website they're very proud of their safety here and says thank you for visiting our website i love when they do that like it's 1997. Thank you for visiting. Thanks for finding us. Thank you. The city of Petal is a growing, vibrant community known throughout the state for our award-winning schools and superb quality of life. We are also proud to have received the designation as safest city in Mississippi with a population over 10,000 due to our extremely low crime rate. And they're barely over 10,000.

We're super friendly. And they're very friendly. Crime rate here actually is lower. Property crime is 25% under the average. And violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and assault from the Mount Rushmore of crime is about a third lower than the national average. So not too shabby in terms of crime. My favorite definition of anything ever.abby in terms of crime. They've put it together. Favorite definition of anything ever.

Mount Rushmore of crime. So let's talk about a murder. What do you say here? Murder that happened in this town and messing up all their statistics and everything else. This murder happened in the 90s, though. We'll talk about it. We're going to go back to about 1995. So we've got to go back in time.

The calendar's flipping and we're spinning, but there's not too many clocks turning. It's only 95. We're not going to the 60s or anything. We'll talk about a couple who came up here. We'll talk about Rhonda first. Rhonda Griffiths is her name. G-R-I-F-F-I-S. Griffiths, which I just want to say Griffin or Griffith.

But Griffiths makes me sound like I can't speak. Didn't we have one Griffin last week? I don't think so. Or is Griff something? Fairly recently we had a Griff something. I think it was Curtis Smith last week, which we had last week was Curtis Smith, and then Prime and Sports this week was Charles Smith, and that fucked me all up. I was really confused.

I was like, what is happening? Is that the same guy? No, good, okay. That would suck if I missed that connection. So we'll talk about her, Rhonda Griffiths. She's born 1967. So, you know, 1995. She's in her 20s.

She's an only child. She was going to Southern Mississippi University or University of Southern Mississippi. I apologize. People freak the fuck out if you misplace your you. So University of Southern Mississippi, she went to. 1988 1988 she was on the dean's list at southern miss so she's uh you know she's a smart uh smart positive young lady yeah she wasn't on like the dean's list for your fucking one away from being expelled mister yeah this is the dean's list of good people not the one we were on there's pride yeah not the one we were on of oh's pride in this one. Not the one we were on. Oh, shit. They put us on the list, man.

Fuck. Shit. We're just... Anything happens. One more Druinzy. I'm fucking out of here. It's fucking in school suspension, man. We're screwed.

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Her name, by the way, Rhonda Hatton is her maiden name. Griffiths is her married name. Rhonda Hatton, as she is until she's married, obviously. So she chose to marry somebody with that last name. With Griffiths. Knowing that one day in her life, she's going to go. I wish there was an N or a TH at the end of this. Can we just, there's got to be more consonants is what I'm saying.

We got to modify this. We can lose the S and just have a TH. Right. We could be Griffith. That's not bad. We could put a TH and then keep your fucking S. We could be Griffin. Yeah.

We could be the Griffins. That's cool. I'm into that. We can have the apostrophe on the outside and on our doormat. That's great. It's beautiful. No, it's not. Yeah.

No. She meets this guy in college uh well while she's in college uh and like we said she's she ends up going by ronda hatton griffiths griffiths she's like look my name i wasn't born griffiths so trust me uh she meets him and uh ends up uh leaving school and dropping out of school because she gets pregnant in college with David's child. And they end up getting married and settling down. And she always hopes to finish her degree at the university here at some point. Because she was, I think, three years into it.

So she doesn't have that much to go. So that's her hope, okay? They have a child named Justin when she's in 1988 when she's finishing. That's her dean, okay? They have a child named Justin when she's in 1988, when she's finishing. That's her Dean's List year. So she was on multiple lists. The Dean's List, the Pregnancy List, the Maternity List. She was on a lot of lists that year. The Lamaze Class List.

The Lamaze Class List. The list of fun girls also. Oh, yes. Just fun chicks list from David Griffiths there. But no, they settled down. They have a nice, you know, they were a serious couple. They weren't fucking around. They're a serious couple and they end up settling down.

And 1990, they have another son named Jeffrey. So they have Justin and Jeffrey as their two sons. At least their last name isn't isn't Jiffus or something. That would be Justin and Jeffrey Jiffus. Johnson. Johnson or. Yeah. They could go forever.

They could go. J names. Any J name you have, that's the one here. So after that, though, she's a homemaker. She takes care of the kids. She takes care of the house. They live in a trailer in Petal. And she takes care of everything, takes care of the kids.

It's a big deal. She's a member of the parent-teacher organization at the elementary school the elementary school she's very involved mother she's a homeroom mother she's one of the kids you know one of the ones that takes the kids in and uh she's also a very prominent member of not prominent like rich but prominent like well known and seen a member of the crest view baptist church okay so she's a good these are good upstanding people by the broadest of definitions that we do in wherever we go. Warm southern homemaking folks. Nice people, not bothering anybody, fucking, you know.

Minding their business. Fearing God and minding their business and having kids and staying out of people's shit. So they're fine. These people are fine. They, like I said, they live in a trailer. He owns a landscaping business. Okay. Does David. So that's how they make a trailer. He owns a landscaping business, does David.

So that's how they make a living. And he hires a lot of people, young people mainly, college students. A lot of them are because there's a college around there. So whoever to do landscaping work. Able-bodied folks. Able-bodied young. It's tough work, especially in Mississippi. Oh, boy.

You go down there in that humidity and that heat. I hear they do bush hogging down there. They will hog the fuck out of a bush. They will hog humidity and that heat i hear they do bush hogging they will do but they will hog the fuck out of a bush they will hog it so hard no they go bush hogging yeah they don't do bush hogging they go bush hogging doing is something you have to do going is something you want to do you want to bush hog but that that heat down there that's a special kind of heat that's like that's fuck if you've ever seen biloxi blues the uh matthew broderick movie based on the neil simon play there he says it's they're in biloxi blues the uh matthew broderick movie based on the neil simon play there he says it's they're in biloxi and he's like this is hot this is like this is

like africa hot it's murderous this is insane like i've never felt heat like this before it's hot and it's humid and it's heavy and you can't breathe you can't breathe so to do landscaping work out there there's bugs and shit they're all stuck to you because you're sweaty and it's disgusting so the weather wise their legs like they land on you and then their legs spread out and stick to your arms they can't move and they can they're stuck too they're asking a little help blow on me a little help asshole can you knock me off and so and then they have to hope this the weight of your sweat doesn't drag them right to the ground they don't weigh anything so uh yeah he hires a lot of kids, basically,

a lot of young guys to do work. Not a lot of young ladies doing outdoor landscape and work in Mississippi in the 90s. If you are, fear those women. If you are, those are tough chicks. That's a chick you want to hang out with because she's cool and tough. I bet she'll drink you under the table.

She'll drink your ass under the table. She'll show you how it's done. If you get a bush hogging chick, you hang on to her forever. Not just drink her. She'll show you how everything is done. If you get a bush hogging chick, you hang on to her forever. Not just during, she'll show you how everything is done. Everything, and you listen, because she knows. You're going to learn a thing or two.

You're going to fucking learn a lot. One of the people they hired is a young man named Larry Puckett. He is, by all accounts, a wonderful high school student, a nice kid. He was the first Eagle Scout ever at his high school wow he's the

first kid at the high school to make eagle scouts that takes a like you're usually older yeah yeah it's the older so he did it at a young age and uh was honored at that award they had an award ceremony before he graduated for he's the only eagle scout that's only scouting every day and that's in the 90s this is in 1995 this. So like I was in school in the 90s. If a kid had a ceremony for being a fucking Eagle Scout in the 90s, I can't tell you the abuse he would have suffered. It would have been horrific. I've told you my friend did it. Swift and.

And he was well aware that. The retribution was you want to hide that shit as far. He had a ceremony in front of the school. Fuck that. That was the let's have a ceremony let's all go to see the guy we're not going to have sex with let's all go everyone round up no one have sex with him not that it's bad to be an eagle scout but that's not like a hot thing to like teenage girls just those dudes generally aren't interested in it right now we're busy busy. We're cutting trees and shit. We're bush hogging, especially in the 90s. They're like fucking Eagle Scout.

That's the opposite of what you were looking for. No, thank you with that warm, amazing vagina. I've got a box not to master. Excuse me. Hold on a minute here. Wait a second. I need to learn which berries are poisonous before I get into that, because that's way more important to my life

than getting laid is for now fucking i got plenty of time for that yeah i had no i had no not time i was trying to find girls to spend any time i gotta get my handkerchief just right this is yeah no no my ass gots askew wait hold on my ass gots askew so uh he he has that everybody thought his family all said he was a great kid never gave them any fucking trouble all the teachers loved him he's a he's he's you know just a a fantastic kid and he has a tough time uh he go his name is larry matthew puckett he goes by matt yeah so we'll call him matt but it's yeah he does matt puckett yeah which is better than larry puckett you wait you wait to take that first name until you're balding and everything's falling larry puckett sounds like a plumber yeah that sounds like you're gonna give me your card

and tell me you can unclog my pipes like it's like matt sounds like a scout matt yeah matt yeah yeah matt puckett sounds like a that sounds like a scouting kid right there that's a kid who can tie a knot like nobody's business uh when he's in his senior year of high school, his dad has a heart attack, which is rough. It's a young age for that sort of thing. And he's unable to work for a time because he had a heart attack and he's recovering. dad's uh you know absence or convalescence or whatever uh he steps up and he uh he continues to go to school and continues to do really well and uh continues his eagle scouting but also uh works his ass off on the side at night on the weekends and gives his whole paycheck to his family you know just comes home and just says here's my money and just gives it to his family

to contribute successful podcast now he's got a great hard work that's a great that's what i mean he's a he was just just doing very very well uh come october of 1995 he's scheduled to leave uh leave for the navy in late october so he signed up for the navy he's an eagle scout he's another thing like if you look at just a good good all-american whatever the fuck kid, like, that's who they would describe it as. Epitome. Yeah. If this kid gets hit by a car, there's sad music and pictures of his childhood on the local news. What could have been?

Period. Yeah, that's the end of it, you know? He's like, oh, man, he had his whole life in front of him. This is what you hope your boy turns out to be. Yeah, that's what I mean. He had everything going for him in terms of what he wanted. I mean, his in his wants he wanted to be in the navy he wanted he liked the boy scouts he liked the navy it's the same color uniform he was like okay dark blue i'm into this you know that's fine this works uh uh so uh matt puckett uh was employed by david griffiths and uh

while he was employed there obviously uh before they leave for work uh they would all congregate at the basically they meet at david griffiths trailer and then they'd all leave in the trucks from there uh congregate there in the mornings before that and so they got to know matt puckett a lot uh they they uh they considered him a good employee and even uh this was the work he was, landscaping work to help his family out after. That's why he got the landscaping job. So this is, you know, he went and did hard work, too. He didn't just be like, I'll go work the fucking movie theater and hand out good and

plenty for a couple hours on the weekend. He was breaking his fucking ass doing this shit. So they considered him a decent employee. And they actually one of the letters of recommendation to become an Eagle Eagle Scout, apparently you need people to say how wonderful you are. I don't understand that. I've never seen him punch an old lady. Yeah, I've seen him never push one down in the street, neither. He never punched her, never pushed her down.

It's not bad. It's not bad. He grabs them right by the hand and just traipses them all over town. I have two young sons he did not molest either one of them not one time not even once that's not even by accident not even by accident now it's uh he doubled the ante on the dick in the house never even underage dick not for him never rubbed up against him nothing like that nothing so that's good good to tell him a hell of a box not it's good well actually in reality we have the letter here that he wrote uh i actually do it's fucking funny but

i was reading it you were reading that's a good job jimmy there you go so moving on the letter uh so the letter is written on southern landscape stationary and everything from the company and it says quote this is written by david quote, during the past two years, I've had the opportunity to employ Larry Matthew Puckett. Matt is an aggressive employee and a quick learner with a very positive attitude. Along with these valuable skills, he also interacts well with his co-workers as well as the customers. Matt is a morally conscious young man who will definitely have a positive influence on everyone he comes in contact with and on everything he tries to accomplish. matt's employer and friend i wish to highly recommend him for an eagle scout if any further recommendations are needed please feel free to contact me at the address or phone numbers

listed on the above letterhead uh justin david griffiths owner very nice so that is a great letter of recommendation what i like most about the letter is that they didn't try to guilt the scouts into like, his dad had a heart attack. He's having a real tough time and putting food on the table. Really stepped up. Yeah, he's really stepped up. They didn't even say that. Because I feel like they know that.

He's got enough character. He's saying, this is what I know about him. And this is what's been in front of me. And he's a goddamn good kid. And we all like him. And I trust him to come in my house and be around my kids and anything else. So, fine guy here. Problem is, at some point he gets fired.

Matt gets fired later on. The reason that David gives David Griffiths gives for the firing is he said it was a complaint from a lady resident that he was following her on the walking track and scared her and made her uneasy i have to walk you across that now you don't i've been trained since i was three years old if i see a lady walking a walking i need i need i take whatever's in her hand carry it and grab her by the damn arm now you can either go along with it voluntarily or i can do it by force one way or another i am accompanying you across that path one way or another i'm gonna carry your groceries now it's happening so give it up lady the milk bitch it up let's go latch onto my arm god damn it i ain't fucking around now fine don't touch

hold the ascot just just hold the ascot not i'll tell you what just look at me yeah you walk and i'll watch how's that and then i'll jump in in the middle and help you and i'll film it when you get to the yellow stripe i'm gonna give you a head start go go and then you get to the yellow stripe, I'm going to give you a head start. Go. Go. And then you get to that yellow stripe. That's hot now. I'm going to catch you. That's hot now. Now take the grocery. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Grocery point. Yeah, that's good stuff right there. I'm going to take them groceries from you. Oh, yeah, that's the right stuff. So he got fired because- He got fired for following a lady on a walking track, being a little bit creepy. Sorry. Yeah, no, that's we had

to do that so uh the the david said he knew it was matt because he got the lady into his truck and drove her by the area they were working and she said it was that one that did it uh so uh david said he confronted matt and uh matt denied it he said that he never left the work area he never went near her uh she's nuts i don't know what you're talking about but he still fired him and he said look i gotta i gotta go by the customer what they said fired him um said there was no you know i understand he just said i i get it i deny it but you know fine whatever i mean he's a busy guy i would assume at this point he's got to find another fucking job quick like well, I got to find something yesterday, so have a good one.

I got to go. I don't have time for this. If I'm fired, delay it. Are you paying me through the rest of this chat? Yeah. Are we paying through 4 o'clock, or did this end like 3.30 when this started? Because I got to go. I could leave tomorrow or now.

There's a paper route that needs me. Something needs to happen. So either way, if you're paying, I'm talking is what I'm saying. Or whatever else you need done now. I tie a mean box knot. Watch out. You got any old ladies need a walking? I'm a guy.

So that ends up happening. And that was like, you know, a couple. That was September, I believe, of then or before that July, I believe. I'm sorry. I mixed my months up there. That's all right. July of 1995. That ends up happening. So that's it. Some time goes by and, you know, that's the, I believe. I'm sorry. I mixed my months up there. That's all right. July of 1995, that ends up happening. So that's it.

Some time goes by, and that's the end of it. Nothing goes on. They don't hear from him at all. And then October 14, 1995. Now, he's scheduled in a week, Matt is, to leave for the Navy. Got it. 95. Rhonda's mother, Rhonda Hatton Griffiths here,

her mother, Nancy Hatton, lives next door to them, which is not what you want. That is not an ideal situation at all. Even if you like, I like my in-laws. I don't want to live next door to anybody, really. I just don't want to see someone I know every time I walk outside.

At one point, I lived across the street from my in-laws, and it was a fucking disaster and they're nice people it doesn't matter because every time i was like hi hello yeah i'm trying to do this live two two miles what you're doing over there and that was nice because i mean it's a drop in them off yeah it's nice but i don't want that so no yeah i need some space you need a little space yeah you smelling your daughter on me that weird. This is 150 to 175 feet from the Griffiths trailer. No. That is her trailer.

That is not a long distance at all. That's very close by. That's a trailer length. That's a trailer. You can shout shit out the window and you'll just yell shit back and you don't even have to yell that loud. That's just like, hey, Rhonda. What, mom?

That's way close. And through a trailer, that's no problem. Yeah. You could be doing anything in here that shit heard mr griffiths was doing it right last night that's what i heard they don't even leave the trailer go to the window to talk probably just sitting and living in ronda what back and forth man jesus christ so on on this day on october 14th uh Nancy Hatton, Rhonda's mother, had been helping the boys, helping Jeffrey and Justin put up Halloween decorations in the yard.

They're seven and five years old at this point, if you don't remember when they were born. So they're seven and five. She helped them put up Halloween stuff in the yard. Again, nice. Can't get any sweeter than that. The whole thing. With little kids with their grandma putting up decorations. That's beautiful.

Apparently, Rhonda wasn't feeling well that day. She had a headache and she had a bunch of sinus problems going on. It's October. Season's changed. I don't know. She had some sinus issues and a sinus headache. And so she didn't come out and help out with the with the decorations. Later on in that afternoon, a few hours later, Nancy Hatton, the mother, was in her front yard.

She heard what she describes as a scream and a thud come from the trailer that Rhonda and David live in. And so Mrs. Hatton here, the elder Hatton, elder Hatton, Nancy Hatton, she runs inside back to her trailer and calls her daughter's trailer. It's right there. You could have just went there. Go bang on the door. I don't understand why she did that. That's really strange to me. But she does.

Maybe she just also, too, she doesn't know. Maybe she doesn't want to intrude. I don't know what kind of territory, what kind of boundaries they've put up in their relationship. It's very interesting. It is. But she might have said, hey, don't just fucking knock on my door unannounced, please. It's bad enough we live 150 feet away. Call me before come over even an emergency if you hear a gunshot don't you dare come in my house never never if you see smoke coming out you walk the other way you better go turn your head yeah just wet down your trailer and turn around spray it down with the hose now this is it's i don't know why she just didn't go ronda right

you're it's a fucking trailer that's right there but instead she goes inside and calls the trailer i suppose to be polite because it wasn't a gunshot she heard a thud and a scream so i mean that could have been dropped something ah shit or who the fuck knows uh so she calls the trailer she said the phone rang four or five times but nobody answered answered. So she's like, God damn it. She hangs up and waits a second, picks it back up, dials again. Makes sense. Nobody answers again. Now she goes out and she's like, what the fuck is going on? I know she's in there.

I heard her scream. I heard it. Maybe she fell and hurt herself. And that was the thing. So, you know, let me go check on her. So she marches out and heads over to the trailer next door. As she gets closer to the trailer, as she's walking up,

she sees David Griffiths, Rhonda's husband, obviously, her son-in-law, and Justin and Jeffrey driving up to the trailer in his truck. He's got a pickup truck. He's driving up.

Of course, he just runs a landscaping company. He has an Alfa Romeo. He puts pine needles and bogan via clippings and all aston martin you know just right on top of it and just holds his arm out on top ruining the clear nobody's proud oh fuck the clear coat it's gone baby it's gone babe he goes rusty ass aston martin goes primer gray aston martin that's that's how he gets down, man. He had been hauling pine straw all day, which sounds... Pine straw. Pine straw.

Is that like pine needles? I believe it's pine needles. Should be, right? I don't know if that's for kindling. I don't know what the purpose of hauling that is. Cleaning it out because it's a fire hazard? I mean, there's all kinds of reasons, I suppose. Where are you hauling it to, is my question.

Are you burning it? Maybe you're burning it. That's possible. You might be burning it. That's possible. You might be burning it. That's some smoky shit. Anybody who does landscaping in the South, let us know what your pine needle policies are. Your pine whatever. Pine straw.

Your pine straw policy is. Apparently, this was his last load. That's why he took the boys for the last load. He'd been going back and forth. He grabbed the boys, went, doing his last load. One of your boys can steer. One of your boys can steer. Other one, hold my beer. Right. One of them get me empties. boys went doing his last load one of your boys can steer one of your boys can steer other one

hold my beer right that's how one of them get me empties real re-beer me re-bear these take these empties back to the that's how that works through the back window through the back yeah oh yeah oh yeah because i am through and through like i don't claim to be i don't think there's a much of a trophy for the most white trash person on earth. But if there is one, I'd like to have it. It's made of aluminum. Let me tell you something. It's in the shape of a bass because you need to be a bass master first. That's the thing, Jerry.

I've got to get back to mastering. Once you master that bass, you've got that credential to your list, then we can consider it. Until then, I'm sorry, you don't even have a mustache. We're not going to have to talk. There are at least three, four Dodge Rams running around this country that I've crawled through your back window to get beers for my monster of a snap tap. But did you have to move the shotgun from the rack first

to get through the back window? See, that's the thing. He wasn't man enough to have a gun. That's the thing, though. You're there. You're middle tier, though. You've got to move 30 off six. If you moved a shotgun and had mastered a bass, then I would say, you know what, Jimmy?

You're in the running at least. You're going to be in the final four. You can do that bronze PBR cam. You can do it. But at this point, I'm sorry. I can't give it to you. You're just very average at this point. Very average white trashery.

I'm sorry. Very, very sorry so uh she sees them driving up uh him driving up with his last load of pine straw and uh maybe to burn and his two kids in the car there was already a blue truck parked in the in the vacant lot beside the residence there's like trailer trailer and then no trailer vacant. There's a blue pickup truck parked there in that vacant lot that Nancy sees. Now, Nancy enters the trailer. Now, keep in mind, David and kids are still outside in the truck.

She walks up, I assume waves to them and heads, beelines it for the trailer. So she walks up. She enters the trailer at the kitchen slash dining room area and calls for Rhonda and nobody answers. She says, Rhonda, nobody there. So then out of nowhere, Matt Puckett pops up from the hallway and into the dining room area.

So out of nowhere, there's this kid standing there. He's 18 years old at this point, and he's just this kid. And Nancy probably doesn't know who the fuck he is. Maybe slightly recognizes him from seeing him in the yard or something but this isn't like you know my nephew's standing here or something so he's standing there and not only is he standing there but he uh raises a club that he's holding in his hand up over his head and starts walking toward nancy oh no so this is like some horror movie shit like he literally lifted it up and then walked over to her like stalked over to her like Michael Myers or something,

would hold his knife up. We're missing a weird mask. Yeah, very deliberate. This is very deliberate actions. He walks over toward her. She starts backing away, obviously. At this point, Jeffrey, the son, he enters the house. He pops up, followed with his son, with his dad right behind him.

And then Justin was still outside, the other kid. I believe Justin is the seven-year-old. Jeffrey's the five-year-old. Got it. So that's the father, David, and his son, Justin, or son, Jeffrey, walk into the house. And at that point, Nancy took the children. She saw the children. She just grabbed the children and ran out the door and took them to her.

Get the children in the fuck out of here. I don't know what's happening, but the kids don't need to be here for it, whatever the fuck it is. Smart. So she takes the children, runs to her house, locks the boys in the bathroom. Go in here, locks the door and calls 911. Good fucking smart. So far, everything she's done is correct at this point. No, that's fine.

She's done nothing wrong. I'm just thinking about what's going on next door. Oh, yeah. This is going to get weird real quick here. 911 calls received at 5.01 p.m. And Nancy was placed on hold. This is a small town. There's not a huge 911 system.

It clogs up the system. Three. Try two. She's put on hold because there's a call from next door, from David calling. Oh, great. So this is fucking crazy. So she's on hold with 911, which is insane, waiting. Can you hold on a second?

No, I can't. This is 911, kind of an emergency. Why is their emergency more important than my emergency? It's like you're in the drive-thru and you're like like i see people at the counter getting fucking shit right now why am i still sitting here meanwhile tell me what the other emergency is because if it's the same one let that man deal with what's over there and i'll give you all the information tell you what i'll tell you what uh your emergency ain't got nothing to do with uh the feller uh david doesn't it you know david you got a call about a club is that the one you know same one guy with pine straw you got pine straw if you hear here's your he's your guy that's what he

told me on the phone just now it was a very odd segue from emergency uh he said you got pine straw i can burn it for you and i was like okay is that your emergency very weird anything about the griffiths house uh that's the one i'm calling about so hang the fuck up hold up let's check so she's placed on hold uh now the the son uh what what he saw he this poor kid walks in and sees this guy with a fucking club uh like two feet from his grandmother holding a club over her head over his head which is which is absolutely batshit um now dav David, when he walks in, he says he sees Puckett wearing, he's wearing army-type coveralls is what he calls it. He's got like an army kind of suit on.

The club that he's holding over his head has blood and a white substance on it, which is a bad fucking sign at that point. Some white organic-looking substance. Like foam? Like, we'll find out uh and uh and blood on it uh david asks a super relevant question at this point he says what are you doing in my house which is as good of a question as you could fucking ask right then puckett has an answer puckett gives a joe pesci goodfellas answer here and he says he hit a deer on the road and he came to get David's help with it because he was near his house.

So he said, I was near here and I hit a deer. I didn't know what else to do. So I came here to see if you would help me out and to use your phone quick. And I figured I would bring my bloody deer club with him. You know, I wasn't dead. So I just beat the shit out of it. You got to put it out of its misery. It's a sin.

You know, I got to hack it off. That's stuck in the grill. I'm an Eagle Scout. It's a sin. You've got to hack it off. It's stuck in the grill. I'm an eagle scout, you see. It's a sin. I've got my put the deer out of its misery badge. My problem was my deer clubbing badge. I was late on it. They let me graduate without it, but my deer clubbing badge was really good.

So I had to look for one, hit it with my car, and then club it to death. Because they're fast. You've definitely seen that badge on me. I was going for number two. This was, yeah. So that's what he says. David calls out for Rhonda. You know, just, Rhonda, where are you?

And gets no answer back. So that's unsettling. But Matt tells David that Rhonda's not there. He says, Rhonda's over at her mother's house. So, yeah, that's, you know, I just popped up. And how the fuck would you know that she's not there he says ronda's over at her mother's house so yeah that's you know i just popped up and how the fuck would you know that she's over there and why would you be holding a club over her mother if she's over at her house the whole thing is very fucking confusing uh so david again david's a hell of an investigator here uh why are you in my house second question

also excessively relevant uh why is there a blood on that club you're holding over your head like a weapon and uh and uh he indicated that it was blood from the deer he said i fuck i had to put it out it's a sin you know my i gotta leave it there i gotta hack it off you gotta end it i'm gonna borrow this knife all right so uh see if you haven't don't know what i'm talking about shame on you how dare you watch goodfellas jesus christ you fucking asshole it you know and you're gonna hate me for it but it's better than uh uh fucking godfather well it's more fun i love it it's hilarious also it's got all that and it's hilarious so good and it's got yeah it's fucking great so anyway and henry so uh uh david at that point he's imagine david standing there guy with a club. Your wife's not there.

He was about to hit your mother-in-law on the head with a club. It's bloody. And he's saying, I came here because there's a deer. So David goes, sure, there's a deer as he's picking up the phone and dialing 911. Oh, dear. No. Hello. And that knocks.

That's when Nancy's put on hold next door. So all this happens simultaneously. His call was received like, you know, 12 seconds after her call. It's like 501 and 20 seconds, seven seconds or some shit. David's call, though, is terminated in about three minutes. And at some point during this whole thing, David and Matt end up struggling physically while he's on the phone with 911 and everything and David ends up prying the club away from Matt. He actually gets it away from him

because he's a few years older. He's only like 20. He's not even 30 yet, I don't think. But still, this kid's 18. There's a difference between 30 and 18 physically. There's a reason why they don't let 18-year-olds play in the NFL because a 23-year-old and an 18-year-old are way different physically, especially athletic ones.

A damn near 30-year-old will generally and most times beat the living shit out of an 18-year-old every time. Yeah, pretty much, unless there's obvious physical differences or something. But if all else is even, I'm taking the guy with, he's way more angry. That's the thing. The world has kicked him in the dick multiple times, whereas this kid has had no dick kickings so i'm taking the angrier and not just you know what rage that man has to take out two kids two kids and a wife living in a fucking trailer hauling pine straw to mom hauling pine straw holy she will rip your head from your fucking shoulders that man

he has got rage happening you don't want to fight him that's business owner. You don't want to fight him. That's a mad man. You don't want to fight him. So the most dangerous man going. A dad on the edge. So he gets the club, and then David also tries to keep Matt in the trailer while he's talking to the police. Like, are they on their way? I'm trying to fucking box this guy out and keep him out of my trailer. And there's multiple exits and all that sort of shit shit so at one point puckett takes off and runs toward the other door uh matt does as he's running for the door david swings the club at him and clocks

him on the shoulder with it at least and uh and you know knocks him a good knock but it doesn't stop him from running you have i'm escaping adrenaline right he escapes matt runs out the door as he runs out the door dav David throws the club at him behind him. So he's trying to inflict whatever he can. That last grasp. Jerk. That's a totally dick. So Bill Murray and stripes throwing that two by four at his own car.

They're repossessing. Yeah. It's just that last ditch effort of of showing any sort of the saddest thing to me is that that perfectly good pizza took the brunt of everything every time i watch that i go a i want pizza and b fuck that's so sad would you pick the pebbles out of it would you probably not you probably can you salvage any of it eleven dollar pizza that you just wasted back then it's probably six bucks and it was like 1980 jesus christ a bummer six dollar pizza that's tough man bill murray's in a tight spot so uh he ends up uh like i said swings and throws the club at him uh it's at this moment that uh david

all david he walked into he just expected to walk into a normal day he walks into dude i haven't seen that i fired is here for some reason he's got a club he's holding it over my mother-in-law holy shit my kids are here she got them out of here i just struggled with this guy called 9-1-1 so i assume the moment david walked in he never took his eyes off of matt for a second i would just how could you he's a lunatic with a club in your house or a possible lunatic in a club with a club. If you see him holding it over your mother-in-law, you assume he's there for nefarious reasons. So the deer story doesn't hold up at that point.

So he didn't take an assessment of the room. He didn't do anything. He just saw Matt, wrestled with him, did the whole deal. Once Matt runs out, he turns around and looks around the room and starts thinking where's ronda yeah obviously doesn't believe the next door story and uh turns around and actually finds her there she was there the whole time in the living room he never saw her in the living room she's in the living room she's in a large pool of blood fuck next to the couch

in the living room so she's on the floor in the living room so unless he looked down into the side he wouldn't have seen her he was just looking at matt the living room. So she's on the floor in the living room. So unless he looked down and to the side, he wouldn't have seen her. He was just looking at Matt the whole time. And she is obviously dead. She's wearing a T-shirt. And the only other thing she had on was a sock on her left foot. That was it, just a T-shirt. She has several gashes on the back of her head.

When they find her, she has other injuries to her head, her back, her chest, deep laceration and three to four hesitation marks on her neck is what they call it on the autopsy. She's also bleeding from her vagina because she has been sexually assaulted with a with a club with a with a like an axe handle type of uh implement and also beaten with a blunt object that fits that description as well god jesus um horrible she's bleeding there she has several defensive wounds on her hands arms and elbows this didn't happen quickly as you know if you're beat with a wooden club it's not gonna it's not the quickest death uh she died as a result of the beating injuries. Cause of death is cranial cerebral trauma and secondary to blunt force trauma.

So that's the official here. And a wooden stick slash club with blood all over it was recovered right outside the trailer. As a husband, you got to think, I just threw a weapon that was the atrocity that was that was done. Oh, my God. This is the fucking horror. The horror here. He touched it. He hit the guy with it.

And he has to think I actually hit him. I could have fucking hit him more. I could have fucking. I should have. I should have strangled the life out of the only I fucking. Yeah, that's the thing. He didn't really know what was going on. So he didn't struggle know what was going on so

he didn't struggle he didn't make it like i'm gonna get this club and beat you until you can't move till the cops get here hold you if he saw his wife he probably would have done i'm sure if he got that club away from him it would have been i'm gonna break every fucking bone in your body they're gonna find you you know twisted and you're you know backwards yeah yeah that's not you're gonna be in the swamp when i'm done with you. I'm going to burn you with the pine straw. But he didn't even know this. It's fucking horrible, man. The medical examiner found that the wound pattern was consistent.

Her wound pattern and Puckett's wound on his back later on are consistent. Perfect. With the same. But they're consistent. It's not, I mean, it's just a blunt object. It could be anything. So once, once Matt exits the trailer,

uh, David, what he does is this is before he finds his wife, by the way, we had to tell you what happened to her. I didn't want to leave everybody hanging. Where the fuck is Rhonda? But,

uh, once Matt leaves the trailer, uh, David enters the living room and reaches for his pistol. That's usually in a gun cabinet, just to the left of the living room door. Oh, no. But the pistol wasn't there. Oh, fuck.

He still hadn't seen his wife at this point. Then he ran into the bedroom to get a rifle out of the bedroom closet in case this fucking lunatic, because he didn't know if this guy was going in his car to get a weapon or something. Who the hell knows? They don't know why he's there. It's crazy. So the bedroom is straight ahead, and you you run out and he exited the bedroom ran into the living room and that's when he saw her on the floor because he had a long shot view of the whole thing and not just a you know crazy because that that whole scene seems like uh if you're watching a tv

show the pov cam that's like shaky and that's like that sort of thing the whole thing's got to be just a blur so i'm sorry man no it's horrible i get that that's point of view it could be anything you're thinking porn obviously yeah yeah i've made films and that's i've made films and that's just pov that's from a character's pov i've watched film not Not from the fucking POV. That's the only POV I've ever seen. Yeah. I've seen it in movies. Yeah, yeah. But they don't call it that.

No. Well, they do. I mean, it doesn't label it right on the screen. No, no, no. Whereas in porn, they do label it right there on the screen. Right on the click. Right there. You have to actually click POV. You know.

So, Jesus Christ. I'm a degenerate yeah you are that's fine well who the fuck is it honestly what are we talking about putting yourself in the box we're all in the box too what the fuck man i'm just closing the lid around uh as as he he finds his wife this is when he calls 9-1-1 again to tell the police oh by the, it's more than we thought. This isn't just, hey, some guy broke in my house. This is my wife is in a pool of blood. Can you get here? So this is 505. They received this next call.

So it took him a minute to struggle. Look for the gun. Go in the bedroom. Get the other rifle and come back after he hung up from the first call. It was terminated in about six minutes. That's when the police got there. They arrived there. Police, sheriff's deputies and paramedics. Also, when they do a little investigation here, they find out that another former employee of, I'm sorry, another employer of Matt's said that he, a guy named Ray Watkins, he says that right before this murder in the last couple weeks, a mall handle, which was like an axe.

A mall, it's like a big wooden axe for people who don't know. It's a long one. Yeah, the long one. It was broken at his work site, and Watkins had the mall handle for several years. He said between seven and ten years, and he thought that it was the same one that he saw Matt have in his truck on the worksite several times. And he thinks that he thinks that's the same weapon later when they ask around to see where he might have got this and try to connect dots. So they do the investigation here of where he was. Matt was last seen around three thirty p.m. in the afternoon at the same at the same place where David was collecting pine straw.

He was seen passing there. He has a blue four by four wheel drive truck that was also seen passing the Griffin, the Griffiths, sorry, see residents at about four forty one p.m. So it was seen in that neighborhood. And then the mother comes over 20 minutes later. So in 20 minutes, he had time to do all of this here. So that's what they find out. Now, two days later, they find Matt's truck in a wooded area in Perry County,

which is the next county over. So they find the truck there abandoned. So they're like, that's an interesting development. That's a good development there. And then they end up finding Matt near his mother's home in perry county so he ditched his truck and hung out at his mother's house in the woods this is what he did he's like i'm gonna live in the woods now the dismount it's i live in the woods forever now that's it that's how it works uh if you need me you just address everything to the woods matt's house and then they all know and they just bring it to me.

The friendliest woods. The squirrels will bring it to me. That's how it works. I have a real Snow White situation going on with all the animals now. And the birds chirp around my head. Sparrows bring me axe handles. Yeah. So apparently when they went looking for him, they brought a fuckload of cops.

Because this is a guy who is a murder suspect. So they don't just bring like one guy going, we just want to have a chat with you. They brought down the thunder here. So Puckett apparently, Matt commented to his mother that, quote, this is a lot of law enforcement for someone who just committed a burglary. So he's saying, he's starting the story of, I just broke in and stole shit. I don't know what you're talking about. They find a duffel bag in the house containing various items and pair including a pair of coveralls uh that uh including uh just

various items that he stole from the house little things uh now they have coveralls that he's wearing at the time of the arrest but they don't know if that's the same coveralls obviously but he's wearing coveralls he's last seen in coveralls they're going i don't know how many pairs of coveralls this fucking guy has there may not be not washing them who knows yeah who this guy doesn't maybe he's an eagle scout maybe he takes it out washes it against like a metal based like a board like old timey and everything like cinderella you don't know like cinderella or snow white i'm a i'm a princess that's the that's the bottom line here that's what y'all don't understand about me is i'm princess now no wooden bucket but why can't i say wooden bucket i got a wood baguette so what does he say once

he's apprehended because you got to have something to say here uh a forest county sheriff's office investigator said that uh once he gets into the jail once they get him back to the station between 5 and 6 p.m on the 16th of of October. Right. He reads Matt as Miranda writes. And he said at that point he didn't try to obtain a statement from Matt, but Matt made voluntary statements regarding the whole thing. He said that the cop says at the time he was telling me that the way he was caught or apprehended was through the use of a helicopter. He was kind of upset with himself that he didn't lay still enough in the woods

and that the reason he came out was because a helicopter had, he knew that he had been spotted, so he might as well come out. That's what the guy said. And those pauses and stutters are in the thing. Like he said, and then he changes his sentence. That wasn't me reading poorly. That was the actual sentence. Because a helicopter had, it's hyphen,phen hyphen he knew he had been spotted so i didn't fucking that's the police i didn't just trail off and and do that that's the guy that's

protecting him yeah uh so the cop said he asked he asked matt if he got cold staying in the woods for a couple days and uh how he survived there for a couple days. And Matt said that he's an Eagle Scout. This is what he's fucking. I've been training for this forever. He said that he picked cotton and put it in his boots to keep his feet warm, which is apparently an Eagle Scout southern southern trick, I guess. It's hard to do that in Michigan. Where's the cotton fields?

I don't know that way. Not here. But how much room have you got extra in your shoes? Because I don't know. Stuff it all Not here. But how much room have you got extra in your shoes? Because. I don't know. Stuff it all in there. A lot, apparently. How loose of a shoe do you buy?

I guess if you're really, I don't fucking know. That's a fascinating, interesting thing. He said he knew what roots to eat. So he's out there eating roots. And the first night being out, he stayed in a field and pulled two bales of hay together and stayed between the bales of hay. And the next night he slept in the loft of a barn. So then he found a barn after that.

So then at about 10 p.m., they again advised him of more Miranda rights. They do this every once in a while. You still know you got your rights read, right? When they're ever going to talk to you. You know you don't have to do this, right? Yeah, that's, yeah. You know that this isn't like, i'm listening i'm all listening if you're gonna talk now i ain't gonna be rude i draw the line of being rude now i will not be rude to

a prisoner i will not be rude to a prisoner so uh this other police officer said that uh a lot of police officers uh that this that matt said that he was surprised all those cops were looking for someone who just committed burglary and he said that his vehicle was in the wooded area uh because it had not it ran hot and he parked it there it was running hot i had to pull over and just park it i wasn't hot in it i just park in the woods when it runs hot that's what i do i don't know what you do so uh and also too if you're on the lam for a burglary, you don't hide out in the woods. You don't sleep in the woods. You fucking do your normal shit.

It's burglary. You didn't you didn't fucking, you know, kill the queen. Relax. So he said he at this point, he volunteer just voluntarily says Matt does that. He went to the residence to break into it and to steal money to pay a truck note. So he had a car payment due and now he's paying he's still making payments on a car that runs hot and has to be pulled over what kind of shit it should be under warranty you take that fucker in no never mind parking it

it's your shit together matt bought it from one of those buy here pay here i think you know he did yeah as a buy here pay here thing jalopy jungle yeah some more shit like that uh he said that uh uh he the cop said that he said matt said he didn't kill anyone and he didn't want to and once they said did you kill her he said no i robbed the shit out of him and i came there to rob him but he said i don't you know i didn't kill anybody but that's all i'm going to say about it i want any more kill and talk i'm gonna i need to have an attorney present good story so not a bad deal uh so matt uh like i said he doesn't deny being at the trailer at the time of the murder this is what later on when he

talks again that is real damn fascinating he says no no i was there okay uh here's what happened now here's the real story okay i came there to rob the place you know as one does you know as one want as wanting to do i came to just do a little robbery you know i brought a i brought a crumb cake in case ronda was home just to be friendly but i was going to rob her uh robbed the place blind as i was robbing the place uh the problem was i planned to burglarize it uh he said the house the idea to burglarize it just popped in his head as he drove by the the griffiths house he was driving by and he just went i should rob that and pulled over thinking about all the bills i got nope

no planning how am i gonna pay that look at that there is a house right there he didn't even say i drove to the end of the street thought about it for a minute turned around he literally said i thought about it and pulled in and pulled in the vacant lot next to it and decided that he was going to uh gonna gonna rob the place he is the guy that they target with all the shit that they put right next to the register he's about the most impulsive motherfucker on earth oh yeah yeah just see a place and be like that's the one that's the one so yeah that pull right actually wouldn't go because it's probably a dirt road. Gravel and dirt. He breaks slide right into the vacant trailer lot, which is probably gravel. He's the guy.

They put the shower curtain rings next to the cash register, and he's got a fucking cart. So many of them just at home. Why do I keep buying these? I only got one shower, and I don't even use it. I got to get to a psychiatrist and fix this impulsive shit i just use the hose those impulsive motherfuckers i just keep i buy tampons if they're up there i don't even i don't know why i just do it they're right there i can't help how many douches do you know how much strawberry do i have under the sink so sure i don't feel fresh but that

ain't helping so uh he says he pulled in there and put his coveralls on use it like a neti pot yeah that's how i do it same thing so uh he puts his coveralls on uh matt said he saw ronda's car at the trailer but he said he went to the door anyway and knocked and i said i don't know where the shot i'll knock on the door he said ronda let him in and they began to talk uh he said at this point that uh matt says he saw the stick that he the club whatever lying on the living room floor so he said that was just lying on the floor which normally people with small children leave axe handles around the living room floor especially when it's a good homemaker that you know someone who actually gives a shit about their kids. This isn't a house where no one cares and she's out doing meth. He had no thoughts about it being there?

No, they eat dinner together at night and they, you know, there's toys on the floor and that sort of shit. Not an axe handle. He said at this point, okay, this is his next statement. He says that at that point they started to talk. He saw the axe handle, but then they started to talk and he and ronda began kissing this is his story now hold on so he is now okay now uh they start making out hot and heavy yeah okay this is this is this is his story i went there to rob the play and it's so weird when you sometimes you go to rob and you get lucky you know that works you know that goes how many fucking porn start like that came to rob the place and

then up she wanted dick so these stories always start with a pov camera absolutely yeah just the chick in the door so did he pick the axe handle up at this point no no he said he just saw it he just saw hey there's an axe handle now there's a lady and we're making out mental note of an axe handle and he said after some conversation which some queezer fast worker, he just came in and within minutes they were kissing on the couch. Not not too shabby. And then he said that he began acting out his sexual fantasy of undressing a woman while he remained fully clothed. That's his fantasy, which is pretty fucking lame fantasy. I got to say.

Then what? Then what happens? Okay. At some point, you got to take some shit off too. What are we doing here? I don't understand it. Then he comes in his pants.

What happens? I don't. He's an Eagle Scout, James. That's what I'm saying. Then he comes in his pants. He's been done for minutes. He sees that. Yeah.

He's been done when he knocked on the door and she said, come on in. That's one. Yeah. He's been done when he knocked on the door and she said, come on in. That's one shit. And then he touched her. And that's two. So this guy says that. Fuck, man.

Sorry for we're not. This has nothing to do with this. This is a ridiculous story. This guy's an asshole is what we're saying. So they began kissing. And then he says he begins acting out the sexual fantasy. So they began kissing. And then he says he begins acting out the sexual fantasy.

And then he said that Rhonda saw her mother approaching the trailer and grabbed her clothes and ran into the bedroom. She said, grabbed her clothes. No, sorry. I'm not laughing at that. I'm laughing at the next part. Grabbed her clothes and ran into the bedroom. As she's running, she told Matt to get rid of her mother. Get rid of her. the bedroom as she's running she told matt to get rid of her mother get rid of her so his idea is i he said he ran into the dining room area and picked up the stick and decided to scare her

away with the club that's how he decided to get rid of her not hi i'm doing some work ronda's in there hi mom i'll be i'll be over in 10 minutes i'm fucking getting ready or something and he okay bye he says hmm how do i get rid like there's a fucking bear approaching in the yard or something this is a you got to get tall and scared this is not a clever plan of how to get rid of somebody this is as base as it gets how do i get rid of her i'll scare her away with a club that'll do it i gotta the gods must be crazy this woman what the stack it on fuck man and get taller than her what is going on that's his plan that's what he's telling the police with a straight face his idea is to scare her away that i'm dangerous and i'm in here crazy is that what it is i'm bye crazy person which will make her go away yeah but then probably call the police that's

the problem and if you last thing you want while you're fucking is the cops knocking at the door to make sure to do a welfare check that's probably not the best thing an eagle scout with a pants full of jizz so yeah which he's got a double double shot at this point probably once he had your clothes off so he said that he stated that uh uh after nancy the mother fled with the children that at this point david then stepped into the house because then he's got to make up he's got to account for the timeline of her getting there and the kids and him getting there because everybody has the same story so he says this story has too many alive people oh there's a lot well this is this well we're getting to that okay he

says at that point david stepped in now the two kids are gone with the mother and it's just the three of them in the in the trailer he said at this point david steps in and accuses ronda of sleeping with matt how fucking dare you you fucking whore you're sleeping with matt right he gets super fucking angry and what he does is he wow he grabs the stick out of matt's hand and begins beating his wife mercilessly with it wow he grabs it away from the man who he thinks his wife is having a fully clothed man and coveralls by the way coveralls even yeah all is covered and just says give me that and beats his wife unmercifully right in front of Matt. Right in front of Matt.

He said after beating his wife, Matt tried to get out of there, say, oh my God, I was scared for my life, but David tried to tackle him and keep him in the trailer while he was, and then call 911, because David was calling 911 trying to blame it on Matt. And Matt's like, no, no, I got to get out of here. Oh my God. And yes, this is a great story.

This is not a bad. This is a story, but it's it's believable. So he's he said from there. This is what I mean. He's very A to B. I need to scare her. I need to get rid of her. I know what would make someone leave a place if they're scared.

I'll grab a club and scare. Also, he says at this point, he's afraid of David. So he gets in his truck and just drives to the woods and stays there for a couple days out of fear of david not a bad story total a to b i was scared of him i went and ran and hit in the woods which is like what a child would do on a scale of one to ten from a story from which he's 18 years old from a suspected murderer pretty fucking solid it's better than most yeah we'll say that it's better it's it's it covers all bases i wouldn't say it's plausible but he put it together problem is he doesn't put it together this isn't sitting at the police station this is later on oh no after he spoke to his lawyer and they were like how do we fit this into this box if he said this immediately upon being, if the cops came and he was still at the trailer and that was his story,

they might go, we got to look into this. This could be anything. Arrest them both. Yeah. He is hit with the club and the wife is dead. And then this guy just threw the club at him. Let's put the cuffs on David quick and figure it out what's going on.

And then they could go backwards from there and talk to the mother-in-law and find out what happens. But that's not what happened. He came up with this after meeting with attorneys and talking to everybody else uh so yeah he said uh the whole thing took four or five minutes he got there from the time he got there to the time he was running out of the trailer was four or five minutes so he got there somehow got bugging mack don r. Yeah. Got her naked in under five minutes and then struggled with that. Watch this man beat his wife to death, then struggled with them all in five minutes, which is amazing.

Listen, I'm an experienced lovemaker and it has taken me all night to not get laid. That's yeah. This is very impressive. Excessively impressive. Very impressive. Excessively impressive. So, yeah, Matt says that also that the mall handle that they have, he says that it's not the one that, not the Ray Watkins mall handle. He's like, that's not that one.

I know that mall handle, and that's not the same one. So they indict him, obviously. Puckett here. He's indicted in January of 96 in Forest County, Mississippi. It's for capital murder. If you don't know what that means, that means they're going for the death penalty on this bad boy. That's Southern justice. Yeah, you sexually assault and murder a mother of two with a fucking axe handle.

There's going to be some consequences. There's going to be consequences there. And especially in this way. This was fucking brutal and senseless. That's the other problem. This is not needed whatsoever. They're going to show you a new knot that you don't know you don't know anything about the snake chain this is uh wow the snake chain goes around your neck and then a man in a hood kicks a stool out well they have lethal injection there at this point but uh there's also

that so he's in deep shit uh uh this is while engaged in the commission of a sexual sexual battery again also those two things together not great uh so they have the uh he's indicted there right away it is uh they uh move the venue it's uh the venue is transferred to biloxi uh so change of venue which is uh i mean it's a small area. And that, as you can imagine, got a little bit of local plumb. Local Eagle Scout murders mother of two young children. And it's crazy. That's a pretty interesting story. This is a Southern OJ.

This is Southern OJ. He was on the, except he just hid in the woods. OJ just kept driving. This guy said, I'll just hide in the woods. I'm going to stop her. If OJ's Bronco ran hot, that's what would have happened to him. That's the problem. OJ's Bronco, his radiator was in great shape was the issue.

Al Collings would have pulled that shit under an overpass and parked. We got to hide in the woods, Juice. Juice, we're going to blend in with the homeless society and the population. We're going to pull into Sherman Oaks and pull this shit over. It's running hot. It's all right. We're going to hide in the backyards of Brentwood. No one will find us.

The Broncos running lean. It's running lean. So late 96 is this trial as it's occurring here. The prosecutors right away, they end up what what ends up happening, and he ends up appealing this, we'll talk about this later, but this becomes a big deal that every black juror in the pool of prospective jurors was struck. Every black juror. Now, we'll talk about how many that is. There's 112 total from the jury pool and 11 black people out of 112. Sounds about right compared to the population.

It's about 10%. It's exactly 10% of the population. So it's actually represented. Now, out of the 11, six were excused for cause. That's their own thing. One was excused for medical reasons, and five were excused based on their indication that they could not impose a death penalty under any circumstances. So they sweep them out right away. That's kind of a double whatever.

And then six were excused for cause. So there were only five remaining black jurors in the jury pool prior to the exercise of the challenges, prior to the challenges happening. So there's only five to begin with. So there's only five to begin with, and they use four. The state uses four of their strikes against black jurors and uses eight against white jurors. So that all seems whatever. If it's slanted, I don't know, but he's white and she's white.

So it really doesn't fucking matter. Who gives a shit what the race makeup is other than and they say statistically black jurors are are more likely to be against the death penalty but they sweep out the people who are just straight against it but they're still uh more likely to be against it which makes a lot of sense since uh more black people get executed so they're probably like hey you know that makes sense so uh and not just the the majority uh more black people get executed well they know it's fucking it's the majority of people on death row are minority that's what i'm saying fucking crazy yeah and when you see people get exonerated it's a lot of black guys so it's yeah it's one of those things so they might especially if it was a black guy and a white lady and they're saying this and he's

saying i saw the husband do it then you'd, hey, we need to have some black jurors on this fucking thing. But this is a white guy. I don't care about his fucking racial makeup. They're all, he's white, she's white, they're white, who fucking cares? So he's tried by an all-white jury. It's six males, six females. So it's even up on the gender, right down the middle there.

They introduce photographs right away. The prosecution does. That will come up later on also uh they're uh pick the here's a kind of a list of them here it's a picture of puckett's back with his shirt off this is two this is all obviously two days after the the murder took place a close-up of the abrasion to his right shoulder blade a recent scratch on the uh on his right wrist uh so a good scratch a recent scratch on the inner uh part of his another one on his right wrist uh right his right forearm has two scratches and a lot of this he tries to explain away by landscaping well sure because you do get scratched up landscaping but these are not have you been bush hogging yeah have you been you know scratched

up these aren't thorn scratches though that's the problem that is a mosquito sliding down the sweat and he was he was biting he was just a nasty one all the way down uh puckett's face at the time of his arrest and the frontal view of puckett with his shirt off uh they all stay they object to these the puckett's team does obviously on the basis that the qualifying witness who who was Dr. Michael West, couldn't identify the cause of any of the alleged injuries. He was just saying this is what they look like. The state said that they were admitted to show the injuries sustained that he had on his fucking body.

That was just you could you could say that those are defensive wounds. So whatever they said, that's what they wanted to do. wounds from so whatever uh they said that's what they wanted to do uh also uh they introduced photos of the victim of uh of ronda's right forearm showing defensive wounds ronda's right hand showing injuries to her fingers the uh dorsal aspects of ronda's right hand showing defensive wounds uh defensive injuries to her left arm injuries to ronda's left forearm and elbow including a cloth pattern which uh maybe a burn on the ground as she fell. Close-up photograph of abrasion to Rhonda's injury on her left elbow. Left side of her face and neck.

Her face showing her eyes, nose, forehead, lips, and teeth. Injuries that she's beaten in the fucking face. Injuries to the back of her skull, cloth pattern injuries to her back, abrasions on the upper right chest near her armpit, the left side of her face. Lots of pictures of injuries. We'll just say that. Somebody just beat the living shit out of her. Yeah, and they showed all these pictures in court.

And there's more pictures, too. Her hands. Her hands. That way, it's showing how she was trying to fight and how this just kept coming and coming and coming. And this wasn't like she got bonked on the and how this just kept coming and coming and coming. And this wasn't like she got bonked on the head, once fell down, and that was it. This was a she was fighting for her life, and he was fucking fighting against it. Like, there's no.

He's fighting to take it. She's fighting to keep it. Exactly. It's brutal. So he tells his story, his defense here. After that? That's the process they tell all that they bring up the mother-in-law who says i saw him with a club with blood and white stuff on it coming toward me after i heard

a thud and a scream for my daughter i had there it sounds bad yeah all the way the the fucking david coming in the kids coming in and seeing him standing there with a bloody club but that's the thing even the kids saw it it's like everybody saw this shit and he's got to sit on the stand and say so what happened what had happened was uh pray tell why pray tell pray tell why sir why oh my god that's a pray tell and a why so first of all he's he is the first offense is the clothes he was wearing when he was captured tested negative for human blood. Well, that was two days later. So that is fucking irrelevant as shit.

But that's a defense of his. Could be a different pair of fucking coveralls. He said there's no evidence of semen on the victim's body and none of the hairs collected from her body and the carpet where she found matched his. Plenty of sexually sadistic killers can't fucking ejaculate some of them can't even get it up never mind fucking ejaculate that's not the point that's so that's that's not a relative thing either a relevant thing i should say and uh the hair or the you're lucky none of your hair fell out on there i saw the pictures of him when he's arrested too he's got like a crew cut not a crew cut but like short crop very military but like short, cropped, very short. Like military hair. Yeah, like you're going to go in the Navy next week.

He's got very short hair. So A, the medical examiner could have missed a fucking hair, a tiny hair on a trailer carpet. Also, he's wearing coveralls. And B, he may not have much body hair. There's a lot of reasons. That's the other thing. There's no body hair to fall because of the coveralls and the head hair. Yeah, he's not losing his hair.

He's 18 years old. He might not have lost some hair in four minutes. Also, I didn't get much body hair. I'm a fucking monster now i have hair everywhere yeah like from except for the small patch in the back of my head everything else is covered in hair and that didn't happen till i was like 22 yeah so who knows yeah well then his body hair he's got coveralls on so he's not gonna leave behind body hair at all here. So that's a big thing from her that none of this shit was there. He also testifies that that mall handle that they think is the mall handle actually isn't his mall handle from that job site because it had been destroyed a couple weeks before that when he used it to make a torch to burn some trash. So he used it to make a torch out of burn some trash so he used it to make a torch out of

it so obviously uh now he claims in court in front of people that uh jesus christ man he he claims in court in front of other human beings that he planned to burglarize their house and entered and saw ronda's car parked outside he now claims that he has had sexual prior encounters with ronda before obviously prior several months before somewhere around may 95 so he was you know getting it on with ronda under the table you know those eagle scouts do it they get their hooks in you it's hard to get them out watch out so uh he stated that no further contact had been made between him and ronda between May and October.

So I hadn't seen her at all. We hadn't been fucking from then. It was just a quick fling. And then I saw her that day. And obviously, within four minutes, she's nude because that's how I roll. So he said he had an affair with her. This was an affair is what he said. And he said the same story.

He was kissing until they heard the mother. And then he said that it was David who who did it uh after accusing david murdered ronda after accusing them of having an affair was david there for this testimony because oh fuck i don't know no i don't think that witnesses unless they're done i don't think they can see other testimony and i think they have to not be able to i will clear a bar and choke the life out of. Oh, how would you not? Oh, my God. Right. That's what I mean.

That that's what's even worse. He's trying to sell you this woman's fucking. I don't know. Not that it matters, but her reputation or whatever. And in this community, it matters to these people. It matters to her. These are all church going nice people who care about this sort of shit. Like whatever.

I mean, if that's what they care about, that's what I care about. It's fucking horrific uh they asked uh once he says that the uh they ask him uh the prosecutor asked matt on the stand uh who was the first person you told that story to and he says my lawyer yeah and they say and then what and then uh and then that and when was that and he said i don't have the date and the prosecutor said if you're an innocent man, and I mean, they're telling you to shut up and don't tell anybody. If you're innocent, you shouldn't tell anybody. And he said, that's what my mama said.

I understand. He said, I didn't tell anybody that I saw this guy murder her, even though I'm being accused of murder and I'm up for the death penalty because, quote, that's what my mama said. No, I'm sorry, Forrestrest gump fucking mama in that situation fuck you so the prosecutor said and you're innocent you say and he says yes sir and so the prosecutor says well one thing i know you haven't told anyone other than your mother and your lawyer on god's green earth until today have you and he said i was told to keep quiet which makes no sense

so the prosecutor says keep quiet an innocent man who's done nothing and witnessed a murder. They told you to keep quiet. And he said, yes, sir. And they said, why would he do that? And he said, that was my mother and my lawyer. And that's what they instructed me to do. So I have no mama. It was mama.

And remember, mama's woods. That's my address. So his mom and his lawyer told him to shut up. And if you're fucking innocent you scream that shit from the especially if you're accused of this kind of oh my god a horrible awful murder with sexual shit in it you are fucking no you if my son comes to me and tells me the story of what really happened and it's this story dude i'm running straight to the press i'm running straight to everybody they locked up an innocent man.

Dude, you would have to fucking, I would be removed from the courtroom because I'd be screaming the whole time. No, I didn't. That's not true. None of this is true. I'd be losing my mind. Axe handle in her. No. No, I never did that shit.

Yeah. So this whole thing is a fucking disaster, obviously. They get David Griffiths on the stand here, and they ask him just some shit about when he fired Matt and why he fired Matt, and they talk about following the lady, which was obviously objected to because they're trying to say prior bad acts,

but it ends up getting in. And they said, when you terminated Matt and told him he was terminated, was there any type of hostile reaction or anything like that? Saying if he said, said you know i'll fucking kill you and your wife and shove an axe handle in her or some crazy shit like that uh david says no they said did you in fact offer to recommend him for other employment and he said no i didn't and so they asked him you just told him he was terminated and that appeared to be the end of the matter and he said well i told him why he was terminated and they said as you indicated there was no hostile reaction he said none at all right so no hostile reaction they have all the witnesses

come in and say the kids the fucking mother-in-law everything say this is what happened blah blah blah uh doesn't take long uh deliberations on this one don't take a long time he is found guilty of uh everything yeah so now it's sentencing because there wasn't a lot of doubt on the guilt here in this phase, even though later on they're going to claim there is. It's tough to buy that story. That's a tough story to buy. You have to buy a lot of different shit. A lot of different shit to buy that story.

You've got to buy into A, that a Southern Baptist woman with two kids and a husband is just a complete trollop behind her husband's back with an 18-year-old boy. a complete troll. That's possible. Hey, people do shit. 18 year old boy. People do shit. It's convenient. I'm not even, not that I'm saying she did that. I'm just saying that even if that happened,

that's fine. That happens. People, whatever the fuck, but, but the idea, the rest of it, right.

The idea of the fact that her mother's nose, right under my, get rid of my mother. Like she, this is totally out of character for her. Completely. Everything that that does is out of character for her. then then at that point the kid both kids the mother in law they'd all have to be lying about the fact that he had fucking brain on a club right with

blood on it and shit coming at her and then when they popped up she why would they all lie about that that makes why would the kids lie about it it makes no fucking sense to protect the father is that why would the mother-in-law protect david if she if he if she knew he killed her daughter she wouldn't protect there's too many questions that are like no answer no answer there's no nothing there's nothing plausible got nothing for you so sentencing comes around here and uh a lot of people testifying for old matt here a A lot of people. He's a Eagle Scout. He's straight A student. All the teachers love him.

Everybody loves him. Outside of this, he's done everything perfect in his whole life. He's helping his dad out who's sick. So he's got a lot of people there for him. The Petal School Superintendent Pat Jones testifies, said, quote, he was a good, caring child. I think Matt Puckett has a lot of redeeming qualities. I never saw a violent side

of him a boy scout patrol leader named lamar pritchard that sounds diddly uh he helped puckett earn his eagle scout uh badge or whatever the fuck and he said quote status he said quote the matt i know can overcome this and lead a productive life no he can't no matt can overcome either life or life in prison without parole or death i don't know how you're gonna overcome those those are pretty pretty good obstacles there you're gonna end up that's a donner party situation at that point uh witnesses for the prosecution included a woman who claimed that matt had stalked her before uh in the weeks leading up to ronda's murder that's not good and a former co-worker

that said that uh that matt had the ability to fool people which is interesting i mean so does david blaine i mean a lot of people do yeah he said quote if you didn't know him he was a pretty good if you didn't know him he was a pretty good fellow which is everybody on earth and then he said quote he didn't like being told what to do what 18 year old kid likes being told to load the pine straw nobody likes that these are terrible this is fucking ridiculous eric harding is his name as a matter of fact get the fuck out of court man what are you doing well why'd the prosecutor i'd be like why did you bring me here to tell you tell me how he loads pine straw in a fucking truck what difference does that make it sounds like matt tried to fuck eric's sister yeah and he's just

like i'll tell you everything bad about him every goddamn thing you want to know worst dude ever i know he's gonna do this everyone has heard yeah positives and negatives everyone has heard obviously and uh uh the judge here gives a little speech about being you know a productive member of society and having things going for you and then not having things going for you anymore and then the heinousness of his acts and everything else and it ends up with a you sir may fuck off and it's a death penalty oh boy for this young man which is a big deal because he was 18 when he committed the murder but But still, it's fucking death. He gets the death penalty.

And this is one where it's kind of hard to feel bad for him. Yeah. He did this real brutal. It's terrible. This wasn't a gunshot. Like, ooh, that one little trigger pull just ended. This was like, you had to want it. She had defensive wounds.

He had to. And then he had to. Not only that, he had to add insult to injury and everything else. That's the part that is always fascinating. Not necessarily fascinating. No, you can can say fascinating it's fucking fascinating it's crazy it's a terrifying uh that i want to know what goes through their mind what they're like i gotta shove something that's not meant to go in there in there that doesn't make any fucking sense it makes no sense but your your brain doesn't work like that. Your sexual triggers are all a mystery.

Well, mine are all into what makes me finish. That's what I mean. But no, some people, it's not about that. That's crazy. Some people can't, and some people want this, and some people want to build some weird shit, and some people have some crazy fantasy that they've worked out in their fucking head forever. You don't know. That's the thing.

Who the hell knows? And I don't know.'s the thing who the hell knows and uh i don't know so uh he appeals obviously now uh his attorney argues that the district attorney's office used quote an overall platform of racial discrimination when selecting jury members for the case which uh interesting he says the prosecution struck every available black jury juror during jury selection it is reasonable and proper for the court to see if the district attorney's office is using a systematic pattern of striking all black jurors in capital murder cases now that's all fine and dandy which they probably should do that also but we broke down the the way the way it was it was and even if it wasn't even if it was

hey good we got rid of all the black guys even if it was a which I'm not doubting it is. It's I don't know fucking shit about 1995 Mississippi district attorney's office. They could be doing that. I don't know. But in this case, it doesn't matter because it's not he's white and so is she. It's not relevant to the case. It's relevant to the it's only relevant. It's relevant to other shit to the death penalty. Yeah, but it's not relevant to what's going on. It's not racial biased. It's just looking for a reason for him not to get the death penalty. And they used four strikes against black jurors, and the prosecutor said that this was a stupid point because there were solid reasons for dismissing all four black jurors that they did. said they did the prosecutor said they dismissed the jurors for reasons ranging from a juror's request uh from a juror's request to be removed and inconsistent and unclear answers about the

death penalty they wouldn't give a definite yes or no on how they whatever through that jury pool like how many white people were dismissed for those same fucking yeah well out of their 12 strikes eight were used against white people so i mean that that is two third that is a third of them were used against 10 of the possible pool so. That is a third of them were used against 10% of the possible pool, so that's more or less, but it's still within the margin of error. Sure. It's one of those. It's hard to say you don't get the death penalty because of this.

And also, in Mississippi, jurors cannot serve in capital cases if they object to using the death penalty. So some places you can have people who say, I won't do, I'll never give the death penalty on the jury. Really? Whereas here in some, most states they've made laws so you can dismiss people for that, which I don't think is fair. That does seem a bit of stacking the jury. Because, well, in society, a jury of your peers, a cross section of society, in society,

half the people don't believe in a fucking death penalty. So you should have half the people or 40% or whatever the hell it is. I don't know. That's a, you know how we are, everybody. If you listen to this show, we're, we're touchy on the death penalty so you should have half the people or 40 or whatever the hell it is i don't know that's a you know how we are everybody if you listen to this show we're we're touchy on the death penalty we don't we know it's not given correctly and we don't we feel like we're probably against it in its current form of not being able to fucking do it right that's the problem but there are some people that we would love to drag behind a fucking truck for five or six miles and check on them after that so much Taliban tactics i would love to use some people that we would love to drag behind a fucking truck for five or six miles and check on them after that. So much Taliban tactics.

I would love to use some people. We would love to say, hey, David Griffiths, you know what? You know what this guy's sentence is? You take him out back of the courthouse with a fucking axe handle. And you get five minutes and go to town just in case that one breaks. Here's another. Whatever's left of him will take to prison. That's that's the type of shit where we're like, this is bullshit.

Yeah, this is we want this fucking guy. But I'm not sure that the state is really capable of doing it correctly. I think that's constitutional. That's what I'm saying. So, no, it's definitely not. But I think it's probably more reasonable. Should be. Honestly, that's more reasonable.

Hey, the state's weird. David, would you like to do it? No. All right. Well, then life in prison i don't know so uh anyway they say uh they say the defense says quote in general black jury members are very hesitant to impose the death penalty historically their exposure to the death penalty and other abuses of power make them less likely to vote for it than others understood understood uh now the law in this shows that uh he would have to be, first of all, the way the law is stated,

for this to be relevant in this idiot's case, in Matt's case, he would have to be a member of a, quote, cognizable racial group. So he's got to be a member of some sort of group that you can say that's a group of races, a racial group that's, whatever, recognizable recognizable rather than just he's a white kid like the kkk or no he has to be like a black or hispanic or jewish or something of a minority yeah he has to be some sort of something somebody that's got some prejudicial bias against him yeah that's the thing the whole thing about it there's a lot here about the whole thing but uh under this uh basically the uh they'd made a

law later on that said a new judgment that said a white defendant has standing to object to the use of preemptory challenges on black jurors they can't just say well everybody's white fuck you uh the first that's like the first factor what they end up figuring out here in the appeal is that they probably should have had a hearing for this but if they did it wouldn't have come out in puckett's favor so like you probably should have got a hearing that's great but it wouldn't have changed dick about the outcome they would have said problem so it wouldn't have fixed shit and uh tough shit basically uh also the photos uh all the photos they object to they are deemed relevant to you know a murder a murder case. He was trying to say that his injuries compared to her injuries aren't right, even though they're said to be from the same weapon.

Jesus Christ. Also, whether Dr. Michael West should have been allowed to testify as an expert in the in the field of wound patterns. They claim that he failed to establish that there's a general acceptance of wound pattern analysis in the scientific community that there's no certification for a wound pattern expert well there's no certification for really any kind of expert there's no blood spatter expert guy with a fucking with a with a certificate next to him you go by expert based on how many cases have you done how many process how many this how many that that's how they do expert how much have you processed what's your what's your schooling and what's your experience? How long you been doing this?

Well, I have this certification from the Spatter Society of America. Who the fuck are they? So, you know what I mean? Who the fuck are these people? So anyway, they go through this whole thing and they basically say the court agrees with the with the state's side of then there would be no experts on anything. That's the way we do experts. That's what Wadir is. My cousin Vinny, let's go back to that.

Remember, she said she's an expert in automobile, and they said, you're an expert? What's your thing? How are you an expert? So they gave her questions. That's how they do it. They see if you're an expert. What kind of education do you have? Well, I grew up in a garage. I know how to do all this shit. Okay, well, what is this and that? Well, she knows her shit. That's how they do it. They see if you're an expert. What kind of education do you have? Well, I grew up in a garage.

I know how to do all this shit. Okay, well, what is this and that? Well, she knows her shit. So there you go. That's what they do. Yeah, there's no certification for anything. It's a trick question. There's no board of certification

for wound pattern experts. So yeah. Also, whether the trial court erred in denying Matt's motions for a mistrial based on prosecutorial misconduct. They said that basically they said they alleged that four attorneys from the D.A. staff were improperly participating in the trial for some reason, and also that the defense counsel alleged the prosecution exceeded an in-chambers agreement during the cross exam.

Basically, they said they asked her, they asked David a couple of questions that went a little far outside of the parameters they'd agreed upon about Matt's firing about the woman he allegedly stalked on the walking path. So that's part of this. They're saying he went outside of that outside of the parameters and that should be caused for me to not go to the death chamber for that so that's a real reach yeah that's more of a reach than i've i've walked in and in five minutes i was

damn near fucking her that's even worse and no well basically he's they're trying to decide whether uh well they're basically saying would without that information of him stalking a woman on the track would you have convicted him that's what they have to look at. And it's like, yeah, absolutely. None of that. That didn't matter at all. That was just like, oh, so he is a little pervert. That's all it was.

There's a little more proof he's a pervert. That's all it fucking was here. The 911 tape also. He says that the 911 tape is full of lies and hearsay. This 911 tape is him saying, this guy came in here in my house and he's clubbing people and fuck. That didn't happen. That's all David's crazy lies. You can't play the nine one one tape. That's all.

That's just lies from a person trying to, you know, put it on me and shit like that. But, but there's a clear, uh, uh, statute on this saying that,

nine one one calls are admissible period. That's it. There's a, a couple of, uh, a couple of things that are make them inadmissible but for the most part they're even uh they fall under the excited utterance exception to the hearsay rule even that's a very legal thing but if you know legal shit i don't think i want a 9-1-1

call of of my death even i don't want no that sounds terrible i can't believe i just hate 9-1-1 i hate the whole i get why yeah i just hate the the whole uh vulnerability that it that it presents to everybody in society that everything that you say into that is just for everybody forever yeah that's horrible that's horrific don't call 9-1-1 let me die let me die in peace and dignity please dnr babe that's right i don't care dnc don't call anybody don't call shit don't care. DNC, don't call anybody, don't call shit. Don't call a motherfucking person. Don't try to fix this problem. Fuck it.

So also he's arguing the sexual assault aggravator. He's saying that he has the balls to, this is insane here. Wow. They actually, this is in a court of law, this document that says this, quote, the state clearly prohibits the insertion of any object into the genital or anal openings of another person's body without his or her consent. Yeah, that has to be stated. I can't believe that. That's a fucking law.

What? OK, that that's a fucking law. OK, that's that's what they're like. Listen, so that's what we're going based off of. Did they say that with a big wink at him? Obviously, because he knows that he's about to matt matt's assertion is that the lack of seminal fluid was sufficient evidence that that the act was not the product of sexual behavior or libidinal gratification that's what

he said so he's like i didn't get off on it obviously it was more of a violent thing than a fucking sexual thing. Like, it was like, that's another fucking place I can jam. No, sorry. When you do that, that's sexual. That's if you if you kill a black guy in a Klan outfit, it's a fucking hate crime. Right. Even if you did it because he just slashed your tire.

It doesn't fucking matter. You're in a Klan outfit. That's a black guy. Looks pretty fucking bad. Sorry. It's the same thing. Don't give a shit. Well, if you did it you did it so uh yeah they said there was uh sufficient evidence of sexual penetration uh obviously uh they said the bleeding from that area was due to numerous

lacerations and trauma that was consistent with blunt force object uh being inserted fucking horrible just a jab James it's, it's a fucking violent action and horrible. They said here, although it may be difficult for the average citizen to consider the insertion of such an object into a woman's vagina as sexual behavior, the statute contemplates such behavior and specifically prohibits such behavior that is performed without consent. Accordingly, there's no merit to assignment of error. The law is very clear. If you stick something in someone without them wanting it, that's sexual assault whether you get off on it or not it's not like well it wasn't real good for me so i shouldn't be charged with this right there's plenty of frat boys that didn't get off on it either jamming pencils up their book their

brother's ass but they still did it and it's still sexual assault and they said it doesn't matter of the lack of fluids from him because he might not have had any uh the the hair is also with his whole thing well they didn't find any hair well the lack of shit doesn't mean there isn't shit that's the that's the thing here uh but it doesn't matter because whether there's hair there or not he said he was there making out so there was hair there okay well i was there making out there's no hair there okay well what does that mean that you didn't kill her i don't understand what that means exactly it doesn't matter and also another point he has is lack of blood on his coveralls they arrested me i don't have shit all i didn't have blood all over me well it's been days it's been fucking two days dummy uh yeah they said that the uh some human protein was found, but it wasn't sufficient an amount to establish a type of human protein at the time.

Do you think he spit on her? I mean, he could have sneezed on himself, and who knows? If he spit on her, what a fucking pile of garbage. Who knows? With how fucking horrible he was, that wouldn't shock me at all. That wouldn't shock me. Was this an angry thing? Was this a stone this an angry thing?

Was this a stone cold thing? What was the what was the the motivation alone is just horrific. What was the. Yeah. How was he? Why? It's just so fucking weird. It's so goddamn weird.

And also the jury, the coveralls that they that they found him in. David testified that were not the same coveralls that he was wearing at the house. he said obviously that's self-serving to david clearly so i so he loses all his appeals obviously uh in prison he writes a lot he's another one he doesn't publish it but he writes blogs all the time about being in prison he's one of those guys and yeah yeah he said uh he said that he was so divorced from society as he put it that he actually didn't see a video of the World Trade Center buildings coming down until 2003 when they finally got a TV because of the Iraq invasion. They were showing that on TV. You know what? Good. You're in prison.

You don't need to know. What do you care? What difference does it make to you? Unless they tell you you're moving somewhere else, what the fuck does it matter? It doesn't change your shit. Do you still bring my meal in a slot at fucking three set times during the day? Well, then what the fuck do I care what buildings stand in a city up north? When they move you to another prison and they say, take your shoes off and walk through

this, then ask why. And then we'll tell you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why. Until then, fuck you. Fuck you. Yeah, I get to do that all weekend. So, Jesus. He says this. Qu get to do that all weekend. So Jesus, he says this quote.

It's easy to be forgotten. Lots of people wrote in the beginning. People that I had vaguely come into contact with had these nice things to say about me. And then there were quite a few that didn't have very nice things to say. But as the years roll on, fewer and fewer people wrote. Folks moved on and had families and careers and lives. I became a distant memory. I accepted it.

I was in a different place for a long time. Survival meant focusing on here and now. You don't lose sight of this place for long. It'll be the end of you quicker than you can read these words. That's like a MySpace emoji. Yeah, that's what it is. That's MySpace saying everybody moved to Facebook. Well, then he this is like this next one is a 100 percent MySpace post, not even Facebook.

He just says, quote, This place is full of alpha males. If you aren't an alpha male, you're damn well better. Get these traits fast. You have to be tough. You have to be strong. You have to be ready to fight anyone at any time for any reason. You have to be ready to do the same with yourself. So many days I've wanted the misery to end for it to finally be over with.

God, I hate this place. But you have to get up each morning running and put your mean mug on and pull that fight out of you and ride on and fight on. No matter how bad it is, you can't stop. It really doesn't matter whether you stop or not because it's going to keep going. You're going to get dragged. Wake up tomorrow. You're going to get dragged again. You're trying to stop the rotation of the earth, earth brother this is shit you have nothing to fucking do with

that's what you're doing i can stop it i swear that that those were the words of a 100 coward uh yeah a dude that you raped and murdered a woman that's what i'm saying now you didn't mind that right you had no problem there and then tried to implicate somebody else for it someone else that that who was mourning the loss of their wife and trying to raise their two kids without her and that wow nice pay your debt pay up anyway yeah pay up bitch and that's the uh equivalent of cheer up bitch so uh executions how they roll in mississippi uh they've had several forms obviously they joined the union in 1817 hanging was the first and most common and sometimes not by the letter of the law way that Mississippi hung here they are hanged they the state continued to they executed prisoners by hanging until 1940 when they

brought in the electric chair that was the first electric chair prisoner. They moved the chair. They had an old electric chair that was moved from county to county for 12 years. It was mobile. Bring in the electric chair. Yeah, they'd have to order the electric chair. What do you mean it's booked? Can we FedEx that?

God damn it. We're supposed to kill this son of a bitch. Now you've got to get it over here. Can y'all overnight that? They're using it at two. We can use it at six. If you get it over, just clean it all. Wipe it off with a towel.

We don't give a shit. Let it cool down a little bit. That's all just packing on in the truck. So 75 prisoners were executed in that 12-year span with the electric chair being back and forth. Then in 54, they brought in the gas chamber. They brought that to- That then in 54 they brought in the gas chamber uh they brought that to uh that wasn't 54 54 yeah which back then it was probably just a fucking buick backed up against the goddamn thing uh it replaced the electric chair by the way the electric chair is on display at the

mississippi law enforcement trading academy not an electric chair the electric they moved they had one electric chair it's fucking crazy so. That's so nuts. We killed everybody with this. Oh, boy. This bastard was smoking back in his day. You had no idea. The body count on this is higher than every serial killer. 75 is what it is. It's pretty fucking high. Outside of Gary Ridgway and a couple others, that's pretty high. That's pretty impressive.

The first person to be executed by a gas chamber was in 1955. Over 34 years after that, 35 death row inmates were executed in the gas gas chamber which they did that's in 35 basically one a year and before that they did 75 in 12 years during the 40s they were really cooking them they were fucking cooking down there man and i got how many of those people were innocent probably at least half probably back then because back then they weren't even wasn't based on shit There was no chance of trying it again. It was just, yeah, a white lady said you whistled, and that was the fucking end of it. It's ridiculous, man.

The appeals process was weak. I would say so. Yeah, not great, man. So that all happened, and the last person to be executed in the gas chamber was in 1989. Wow. And they made lethal injection into it now uh there and so uh what is more humane i don't know a gas chamber or an electric they're both insane i can't imagine to have a big ceremony where we bring you in and we all plan it and we all set

our clocks all of that is disturbing to me we're gonna shut doors it's fucking weird crank gas in there like i said then we'll turn on some fans for a while no listen sometime between this year and this year while you're sleeping someone's gonna come in and put a fucking 45 behind your ear and end it that's gonna be the end of it i like that's humane that's fucking humane i'm sorry this is weird it's not even for them. It's weird for I feel weird that we're all planning this out like it's a wedding. It's fucking weird to a dude. It's weird. The hope chest. It's super strange.

And everything down to the food. Yeah, it's fucking crazy. The whole thing is weird. Like this. It's super formal. The formality of it. It's what's so fucking weird. Like formal murder is exactly what we call cold blooded.

Like when mobsters do that we're like the monsters the cold blood that's what they're doing that's what yeah this is worse you have to plan everything and they have to get chairs the mobsters don't have to get a viewing audience and chairs and shit and a book a room there's wherever the fuck the guy is they ought to let them in a truck very much like a wedding pick the song yeah what the fuck man pick the colors this is so weird it's just fucking weird send out the save of dates let's get it all done the right way it's crazy man jesus christ so what's your song jay what's your song what am i going on to i gotta think about

that one is it something i hate or something i like i think it would be something i hate like anything shania twain i think because i'd be begging for the fucking needle run them put it in my fucking arm put it in my arm if it takes 45 minutes just play fucking adele's 21 on loop let's go fuck man so uh execution day uh comes upon us march 10th 2000 march 20th 2010 uh he wrote a lot of letters to friends and family and essays and blogs and all sorts of shit and a bunch of stuff of what it's like to be executed here's one uh at the end here that he wrote. Now picture yourself surrounded by big burly men with firm grips on you as they direct you to the execution chamber.

The excitement and base fear course through you like no time in your life. You sweat, you pant, you want them to stop. They won't. They can't. The whole process is inexorable. Ironically, at the moment of your death, your body proves that to you, that to you are most alive. Uh, yeah, but that all is fine. That's a whole thing about how the whole poem is about. It's not a poem. The whole essay is about how your whole life you want to be next,

whether you're next up to bat or you're next in line or you're next in this. And this is the thing where you're like, Oh no, not me. I don't want to be next. That's the whole thing. But yeah, that's what happens.

Uh, how do you think she felt you fucking jerk that's what i'm saying how do you think her kids feel right now with no fucking mother and knowing they walked in on that there's calls for clemency man people want it there is a change.org petition for this kid uh 262 supporters on the change.org petition uh yeah uh he's got a big family he's huge there's so many people saying he's a how did he not get a new trial he's obviously wrongly convicted and they're going all on the juror thing striking the black jurors but it's like also look at how much evidence there is it's everyone fucking saw

you yeah everyone saw you and then you went and hid in the woods are you out of your fucking mind the story is crazy it's so yeah uh there's uh mississippians educating for smart justice they want the governor at the time phil bryant to grant clemency to him as well as another killer named william mitchell who killed a lady in biloxi they said quote neither of these men william mitchell or matt puckett had have had a fair trial neither of them have had a real appeal it's time to quit hiding behind this fraud and accept the fact that our system is deeply flawed and these two cases prove it. Now, I didn't look enough into the

Mitchell case to know his circumstances, but this one, there's a lot of fucking evidence, too. There's a lot of evidence. It's a lot. Let's get some needles sharpened. The last I saw, Mitchell, a woman was at work and she went outside to have a cigarette with Mitchell and then never fucking came back.

And so that's the last person you were seen with. And I don't know about physical evidence, though, so I'm not positive about that. As of the day before the execution, there were forty five hundred electronic signatures on a petition called Save Matt Puckett. Stop an innocent man from being executed. An innocent man. Wow. You can say the trial was whatever. Innocence, a tough one on this one we should he clearly was making out with that woman and the husband came

in and didn't beat him to death but beat her to death we should start one called mix the cocktail now yeah mix no shit jesus get the iv started tomorrow fuck so the governor uh gets fired up here uh governor grill uh phil bryant refuses to grant the reprieve after the U.S. Supreme Court finally denied his petition. The last line of defense here was the governor. And he said in a statement here, in light of Mr. Puckett's having been convicted by a jury of his peers more than 15 years ago, and after a review of the facts associated with the case, I've decided not to grant clemency and will not delay the execution. My thoughts and prayers are with the victim's families family. So one of the prison guys that was there kind of keeping an eye on him, he says that Matt would not talk about the murder leading up to that.

All he would talk about is like other shit. He wouldn't talk about anything surrounding the murder or the execution, which if you were innocent, you'd be like, I swear to God, you got i swear you gotta understand me oh my god so you'd be losing your mind uh the guy all the guy said was quote he said there was more to the story and he denied committing the crime he's just like there's more than you know which is i'm sure there is i'm sure but the other facts are going to incriminate you more that's what i'm saying uh matt requested that his relatives and lawyer not watch the execution, even though his parents were on the witness list and they could have watched. He spent his final hours receiving his parents, his brothers and uncle and his spiritual advisor

there and everything. His last meal. Yes. Jimmy, his last meal. Your favorite. He gets a last meal. Hold on. Let's savor this.

We haven't had. We haven't had a last. That's why I did this. I was like, I need a meal for Jimmy. Can I guess? this. We haven't had one in a while. That's why I did this for you. This is fantastic. I was like, I need a last meal for Jimmy here. Can I guess? Yeah, go for it.

Did he go with fried chicken? No, he didn't. That's fantastic. He did not go with fried chicken. He went with the pizza, didn't he? No, he didn't. He's a young kid. You're never going to guess his main dish.

You might guess something else, but you'll never guess his main dish. Macadamia nut pancakes. What? That's his jam, man. That's a terrible choice. That's a really odd choice. Did he go with bacon and eggs and all that stuff macadamia nut pancakes shrimp and grits which he's a southern guy if you're from the by he's from fucking right above the gulf of mexico shrimp

and grits is his deal following up macadamia pancakes with that sounds gross ice cream cake uh if they had those little crunchies i understand uh caramel candies just caramels and root beer it's a is it that's a choice of an 18 year old of a child yeah that's a choice of a fucking child terrible where's the mac and cheese and cheese it's nothing nothing heavy nothing fucking greasy really i mean give me if there's some sweets that's good but anyway that's the dinner of like a a single man that's a toddler. But it is. It is. It does. Actually, they did. They did a study. And people who they found out were executed, that they found out were innocent after they

were executed and people who they aren't innocent after they were executed. And they looked at all of their last meals. And the innocent people order less elaborate last meals. They don't order sugar and carbs. Guilty men order sugar. It's the weirdest fucking thing. Yeah. They order. They order sugar and carbs the uh guilty men order sugar it's the weirdest fucking thing yeah they order interest they order fucking all it's guilty a lot of times innocent men order just give me the standard meal like they just were just like so disgusted by it they didn't even want to they didn't want to celebrate this whole thing like oh it's my last day they

were just like fuck i'm my last day i'm too depressed to eat fried okra and some chicken this guy said bring out the ice cream cake and the shrimp and grits ice cream cake like he didn't even go no cake just a couple not a bowl ice guys go the pint of ice not a two scoop or anything nope take your ass to baskin robbins i want a cake i want a carvel with the mint chip i want fudgy the whale get him for me now so mint chip brownie let's go he wore glasses for some reason into the execution chamber why would you wear i wouldn't want to see these people. I don't want to see shit. Stared up at the ceiling, they said.

He didn't look in the direction of the victim's parents. They asked him if he had any final words, and he just said no. So he didn't even give a final statement. He wrote a lot, so there's plenty there. He took, they said, several deep breaths, and it looked like he fell asleep, and he's pronounced dead at 618. Amazing. He requested that his body be released to his mother, Mary. She said Mary was at a rally the day before trying to get her son clemency.

She said that the treatment was unfair from the start. She said, quote, like a lot of people, I thought if someone was convicted of a crime, they were probably guilty. But if this can happen to us, it can happen to anyone. Because she's looking at this as my son. And if he says he didn't do it, he's been a good kid his whole life he's a fucking eagle scout that's a cliche of honesty so that sort of thing also cecil and nancy hatton who are ronda's parents they watched the execution as well uh which is okay here nancy said quote today we witnessed the result of a choice made by matt puckett if he had chosen to live as a law-abiding citizen rather than choosing to

murder our daughter our only child who is a wife and a mother we would not be here today nothing will ever feel fill that void uh he said uh it will always be in our lives the void that matt caused there will be closure on this on the side of justice but there will never be closure for this for our daughter as part of our lives uh she said, I know for a fact that he murdered Rhonda. You might ask, how do I know for a fact? Because I happen to be there. He knew he murdered her. He also knew the serious penalty for murder.

He still committed the murder, therefore accepting responsibility. Our daughter was murdered in such a horrendous way, and it's so difficult to comprehend that anyone would ever, would ever, or could ever do that to her. But we know that she's no longer suffering. She is at peace, and we will one day be with her again. So that's their final... Pretty solid statement.

Good for Nana. We'll give them the final word, because she went through some hell. Not only did she walk in on this, and not only did she have this happen to her daughter anyway, and has to live with the wave and the wake, live in the wake of that with the kids and everything else. But she fucking walked in on it.

She was right next door. And if David comes home two minutes later, she's beaten to death with a fucking club. Literally two minutes, she's fucking dead. Yeah. So, I mean, that close. He saved her life. He saved her fucking life. Unbelievable.

I mean, this lady has reason to be real upset about this whole thing. So, yeah, that is pedal mississippi and uh that is larry matthew puckett and the poor griffiths uh griffiths family and the hattons and just a a fucking nightmare of a mess and a shitty last meal to boot on top of it and this whole time i've been thinking pedal is spelled like pedal bicycle that's with a d yeah yeah for sure and then a paddle of a road. They just call it, yeah. It's with a T.

They called her Pedal. So I've been thinking about that for the past two hours. Well, that's good. I'm sure we, I actually was too earlier. I remember at one point in the show, I was thinking, what? Yes, that's right. Which one of those is the right spelling? We said that right.

I didn't Google it. I'd just been thinking about it for two hours. Yeah. I was like, Pedal. I'm not Googling, but we figured it out. We got that down. It's all right. So they named their daughter Pedal, like Petal the bicycle.

That's weird. That was their middle name anyway. So that's the town. That was a fucked up episode. Messed up. What a dick. We haven't had a death penalty in a while. We haven't had a last meal.

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, guys. We say that all the time. But it's hard to put for express exactly how thankful we are every week. But it's really true. We were blown away. So thank you.

The thing is that two humble guys can't quantify emotions like that. No, we're bad ass. And we're comics. So we want to be wise asses about it. We can't get in touch with our true feelings. It's a disaster. But thank you is all we've got. Thank you.

That's it. So thank you so much. We really, really appreciate you. And Jimmy, what if they appreciate you? How can they tell you? Where can they find you? You can find me at Wisman Sucks, W-H-I-S-M-A-N Sucks, on Twitter, Instagram, and Snapchat. And I do my best to respond to everything. It's not

easy, but I really appreciate you guys, so thank you. Where can they tell you how much they appreciate you? That's pretty damn easy. You can do that over at JimmyPIsFunny, or you can copy and paste my last name from the show description, because you're not going to spell it right, and why bother

trying, honestly? You don't need to know how to spell that, so copy and paste. Do it that way. But that said, Jesus Christ, it's been a wild one. Everybody go have some macadamia nut pancakes and then wake up the next morning just because that guy can't do that. And you'll feel better about yourself. And if possible, he'll feel worse about himself.

So good for him. Fuck him. That's wonderful. Until next week, everybody. It's been our pleasure hey prime members you can listen to Small Town Murder early and ad-free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today. Or you can listen early and ad-free with Wondery Plus and Apple Podcasts. Before you go, tell us about yourself by completing a short survey at wondery.com slash survey.

It's all a lighthearted nightmare on our podcast, Morbid. We're your hosts. I'm Alina Urquhart. And I'm Ash Kelly. And our show is part true crime, part spooky, and part comedy. The stories we cover are well-researched. He claimed and confessed to officially killing up to 28 people. With a touch of humor.

I'd just like to go ahead and say that if there's no band called Malevolent Deity, that is pretty great. A dash of sarcasm and just garnished a bit with a little bit of cursing. This mother f***er lied. Like a liar. Like a liar. And if you're a weirdo like us and love to cozy up to a creepy tale of the paranormal. Or you love to hop in the Wayback Machine and dissect the details of some of history's most notorious crimes. You should tune in to our podcast, Morbid.

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