Small Town Murder - #95 - Yes, No, I Don't Know... in Oskaloosa, Kansas

Episode Date: December 5, 2018

This week, in Oskaloosa, Kansas, a young lady disappears, causing a massive search, that only ends when someone comes forward, and admits to murdering her. Only... did he really murder her? Our was it his brother? Or was it him? The investigation swings wildly, finally convicting a cold blooded killer. Or is he? Stick around to the very end for one of the craziest twists we've ever heard!! Along the way, we find out how you can win an actual award for laziness, how inept an entire police force can be, and hear maybe the most revealing suicide note ever!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!!Please subscribe, rate, and review!Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!Head to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder!For merchandise: crimeinsports.threadless.comCheck out James and Jimmie's other show: Crime in Sports Follow us on social media!Facebook: facebook.com/smalltownpodInstagram: instagram.com/smalltownmurderTwitter: twitter.com/MurderSmall Contact the show: [e-mail] See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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It's a comedy podcast, guys. It is. We're comedians. We're going to make fun of small towns. We're going to make fun of idiots if they mess up their job, if they're supposed to be investigating a homicide or something of that nature. Murderers, we're going to pick on them. These are the things we're going to do here.

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Yeah, it seemed like a long time ago being in Mississippi. This time we're going all the way to Kansas. Terrific. We have not been in Kansas in a while since I believe that man shot his whole family on Thanksgiving night or around then. Where was the town? I forget. I don't know. His name was Kaler, though.

I remember. James Kaler, maybe? Possibly. I don't know how the fuck I remembered that. It was good.? I forget. I don't know. His name was Kaler, though, I remember. James Kaler, maybe, possibly? Yeah. I don't know how the fuck I remembered that. It was good. Yeah, it was in Kansas there. So this time we're going to Oskaloosa, Kansas, which I'm sure they're going to pronounce it Oskaloosa or Oskalasa or some shit that's different than the way I fucking said it.

I don't care. That's the way it looks. I'm sorry. It's Oskaloosa, Kansas. It's in northeastern Kansas, all the way up in the corner there. All the way. It's a rectangular state full of rectangular and square counties. Not much panhandle to be found except in the behavior, which is abundant.

It's just abundantly full of panhandle behavior. There's a shitload of counties there, huh? Oh, there's a lot. A lot of tiny little rectangle counties and square counties, and they're all crammed in. There's no... It didn't seem like a lot of disputes. They just drew it out. Someone got a ruler and said fuck it there's all the counties this is what you get yeah there's no like oh no but the river over here is ours okay you can have nope it might run right through somebody's fucking house doesn't matter tough shit yeah tough shit now you live in kansas that's the least of your concerns enjoy. It's 35 minutes to Topeka, Kansas.

To Topeka. To, to. Capital? Topeka is the capital of Kansas, as a matter of fact. 35 minutes to the capital. Three and a half hours to Kansas City. Either one. It's pretty much the same thing there.

It's about an hour to Des Moines, Iowa. So in any direction here, you can get to a boring place. So good luck, everybody, on there. If you're in Oskaloosa kansas it's in jefferson county i assume named after thomas jefferson like that the shit in america is uh zip code six six zero six six so my christ six is in this place man that is dangerous that is some dangerous shit it's just in the. That's what it's telling you here. Area code 785. It's one square mile, this town. It's a very small town. Very small town, Native American influenced, which you can tell by their motto, actually.

Their motto is, quote, Oskaloosa, engine for boring, which is very surprising. That's not their motto, I would hope not. Engine? Jesus. Well, they're very, I i was yeah yeah it's a commentary on the town thank you that wasn't from never mind forget it damn it that wasn't you that wasn't me create that is on the town of oscalusa is for some reason yeah i don't understand that so uh oscalusa engine for milk for milk toast history of this toast. History of this town. Oskaloosa is one of the oldest towns in the county, which doesn't really mean a whole lot because who gives a shit?

It was settled by Dr. James Noble in February of 1855. Very, very exciting here. More settlers came from Iowa that same year, which that's where you want to take everyone from. They found the location a good place to do some business there. They set up their own businesses and they kind of, I don't know, it was kind of trying to. Booming metropolis. I wouldn't call it that. It had a couple of businesses.

Fucking Wall Street. A few dudes with businesses. They thought it would be several years before they get a church. But right away in the 1850s, a Baptist minister starts holding religious services all over the town and people's houses. And any time three houses spring up, there's going to be some dude with a Bible showing up ringing on your goddamn doorbell. Can I talk to you? Do you have a few bucks? It was founded officially, Oskaloosa, in 1856.

It's named after the city of Oskaloosa, Iowa. What the shit? It's right around the corner. They came from there and just said, we'll just name it the same shit. The problem is, I found some interesting things here about the actual origin of this name in Iowa. It is just completely wrong. It's built on a fallacy here. this name in Iowa, it is just completely wrong.

It's built on a fallacy here. Apparently, Oskaloosa derives its name from Oskaloosa, who they said, according to town lore, was a Creek princess who married Seminole chief, a chief Ossoloa. The local tradition was that her name meant last of the beautiful. But that is wrong. The interpretation of last of the beautiful isn't correct. And it actually means black rain. Oskaloosa. Oh Jesus.

So that is actually not good. That's a much darker name now. That sounds terrible. Last of the beautiful or fucking dark black rain. Or you've polluted this shit so much. That rain isn't even coming down in water form anymore. It's some sort of soot is in it involved that is amazing uh yeah it's super fucking weird weird here but they named it oscalusa

and the next year uh you know people started uh the original guy his farm got bought out by a couple other people a few more people started buying land and uh they laid out 40 acres of land as that's kind of the town uh which was they set it up pretty much exactly like Oskaloosa, Iowa. They laid it out the same way because why leave? Why not? It's like, well, it's all full here. Yeah. Oh, shit.

Someone's already got a goddamn. All the bit. Every shoe cobbling. There's a goddamn shoe. Every goddamn business. I could either burn all them businesses to the ground, kill everybody in town, or just start a new Oskaloosa and pretend. What the fuck, man?

It's a hell of an option. I guess so, man. Joseph Fitzsimmons opened the first store. Another guy built a sawmill. The first post office is established in 1856. Things are going well, but there's also a bunch of violence on the Kansas-Missouri border. There's the Kansas-Missouri border war. There was two skirmishes that took place near Oskaloosa in September of 1856, right before the post office opened, including the Battle of Slough Creek.

I don't know what the fuck that is. S-L-O-U-G-H? Yeah. I don't know how it's pronounced. I think it's Slough. I guess. I don't know what the fuck that is. S-L-O-U-G-H? Yeah. I don't know how it's pronounced. I think it's slough. I guess. I don't know the geographic. Which is also the same name for like when your skin falls off when you're burned.

That's disgusting. The black rain goes into the slough creek. Jesus Christ. And the Battle of Hickory Point two days later. They built a school in the spring of 1857. That wasn't bad. They had a church and a post office before school. That tells you a lot right there. They are steeped in some filthy of 1857. That wasn't bad. They had a church and a post office before school, so that tells you a lot right there.

They are steeped in some filthy hillbilly. Oh, yeah, yeah. That's anywhere kind of where it's, yeah, it's a strange thing in the middle of the country. Anytime we do Oklahoma, Nebraska, it's always like, well, fucking, you know, people killed each other, bathed in the blood, and then settled down.

Super depressing. Super, it's always very, very weird here. They had a lot of, they had lumber around here, apparently, here. Joseph Fitzsimmons, the guy we talked about before, his wife became the teacher of the town. So it's a small town with a bunch of shit here. 1860, before the Civil War. Small town with a bunch of shit. I don't fucking know.

Jesus Christ. I know. It's late and it's funny. It's late, it's funny, it's Kansas in the middle of the 1800s. I mean, Jesus Christ, what are we talking about? Small town with a bunch of shit. Small town with a bunch of shit. How many times has that been said on a freeway with a bunch of kids in a car?

What is this? Ah, it's a fucking small town with a bunch of kids in a car. What is this? It's a fucking small town with a bunch of kids in a car. Just me. No, I mean, oh, you're on a family vacation or something. Don't worry about that town. It's a small town with a bunch of shit in it. Seven gas stations, a terrible motel and a Dairy Queen. Have a good one.

Certainly a fucking church. Jesus Christ, man. So they had a big drought in 1860, which that's right before the Civil War, too. Perfect. 1860's lining up to be a bad time here in Kansas. They had a newspaper at that point called The Independent. A gristmill was elected. It was elected governor, a gristmill.

They just said, that gristmill's going to do a good job, we think. What the fuck is a gristmill? I think it's something to do with wheat, I if i'm not sure or corn i think it's something to do with breaking shit down and storing it the harvest thing it's something to do with yeah with our we went over it once before and i'm not positive i don't remember there's been a lot of grist between now and then they're real thrilled about i got a bunch of grist in my brain at the moment i can't remember so it's going to be a problem here. Jesus.

By the end of 1860, the population was about 400 people. The problem was, this is fucking, this is crazy, okay? In 1860, because there was a drought, there was crop failure, so the people needed ways to figure out. They had nothing to do. It was 1860. You got up, you worked, you came inside, and you ate ate and then you went to sleep and hope none of your kids died that was that was all you did back then and it was washed in a pail yeah there wasn't a lot to do so if there was no work you were really fucked you had nothing to do so uh they had they uh a guy named samuel papard uh

invented something to keep past the time he invented a quote sailing wagon which is sort of like uh kids like a like a land boat it's kind of like a land boat it's a platform with wheels and a big sail and it's like a it's very stupid but back then we're talking like bicycles like we're i don't even think they came out yet in this time period they might have been brand new at this time. So it's that sort of thing here. It weighed 350 pounds, this fucking contraption. The wind is going to blow that fucking thing around?

Well, its sail was 9 by 11 feet. So it's a fucking sail the size of the wall of a house. It's insane. Yeah, it's huge. The steering apparatus was attached to the front of it and moved along with the wind sometimes it would go 15 miles an hour up to there uh people uh would you know take it out and and uh 300 pounds of wood being pushed around at 15 miles an hour somebody got somebody got killed by one of those jesus christ you can't stop that thing on a dime. Well, let's find out here. A party consisting of Pappard, a guy named Steve Randall, J.T. Forbes, and some other guy here.

They started to Pike's Peak in the vehicle. They had about 400 pounds of provisions and ammunition at this time. They made a trip to within 100 miles of Denver safely, but were then struck by a whirlwind, and it completely demolished the vehicle and injured all of the occupants. They'd been on the road for four weeks in this thing, but it only traveled for nine days. Holy shit.

So they tried to go all the way to Denver, and then it just tipped over and destroyed everybody because, you know, it was a giant sale. Pikes Peak is in Colorado Springs, so they were headed south of there. got to denver and fucking crashed yeah that's it in that in that big contraption i'm i'm surprised nobody was killed it's amazing especially with no medical care how did they throw themselves free of that thing you think somebody would have gotten infection in their head or some shit now also that there was in their head in the head great out in the head 66 times six times six times wow that must have been 60 what whoa that must have hurt now another thing they did was they organized the most the quote now this is a this is a loosely term the quote most prominent men organized at

this time themselves into a what they called a lazy club. Capital L, capital C. That was the name of it. The club had rigid rules. And if any member was seen to have any implement of labor, his case was promptly investigated. And if he was proven guilty, guilty of having performed any work, he'd be expelled. This is awesome. The badge of distinction was a

Barlow knife, I don't know what that is, which was awarded to the champion lazy man. This is fucking awesome. It's now called alimony. Yeah, they had that and a giant sail thing. That was their lazy club. That was amazing.

During the Civil War, obviously, which was a problem here for everything. Not the population didn't really increase very much over these years here. Now, in 1888, Oskaloosa citizens elected Mary D. Lohman, the mayor, with a city council composed entirely of women in 1888. Impressive. Making this is the first city in the state to elect an all-women city administration in 1880 that's that's crazy yeah that's not crazy it's different yeah in kansas those church ladies though took some shit over that's why there was prohibition that's right

they used to go into the streets and bash bars up and what are they going to do fucking kick ladies in the face and knock them out the church let's beat the shit out of the church ladies like they just watch as they fucking tore their place up. It was crazy, man. So they had a high school and churches and all sorts of denominations and everything else here. Local farmers produced grain. They had a canning factory, an electric light plant.

They made some electric lights, a bridal bit factory. Okay. For horse shit, yeah. The population in 1910 was 851. Okay. So, you know, it was bumping right along here. Right now, they have a 1950s pharmacy there, Parker Pharmacy, that still has an old-time soda fountain that's been in operation since the since the 50s you can still get some cheer up bitch you can get a little bit of cheer up bitch when you head on

in there here's your soda cheer up bitch and the guy tips his cap to you you're like jesus that was not called for then he calls you an engine you're like this guy this is fucking weird this town's weird uh the only people from this town uh uh one guy named dummy taylor which is a no his name is dummy taylor he's a he like 1910 he was a deaf major league baseball pitcher oh jesus which i've never fucking heard first of all i've never heard of a deaf major league baseball player uh i don't know why i'm not saying it's not how possible just i've never heard of one before. Seems like probably the only sport where that's possible.

Denver Broncos had a deaf linebacker in the 90s. Do you remember that guy? No, I do not. I can't remember his name. Number 50-something, he's a linebacker. How do I not know that? He was deaf as shit. He was deaf as fuck.

Couldn't hear a thing. He just looked. You know, sometimes. He just watched the ball. Yeah. I mean, that's a sport that I guess you could do it. thing he just looked sometimes he just watched the ball yeah i mean it makes i mean you can see everything you could do it it's tough because you don't hear somebody footstep you know whatever yeah but as a defensive player that's the only way you could do it really i guess or a kicker

yeah or a kicker kicker would be great because you wouldn't hear shit you wouldn't nobody would nobody would bother you the crowd you'd be focused might be better to be a deaf kicker it might be great better to be just deaf on all fronts. You know what? I could use. Well, if someone's deaf, they're not listening. So never mind. Fuck it.

Sorry. But as a pitcher, that's probably the easiest way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you could focus. Yeah. And you're just looking at signs anyway. Yeah, you see if the ball hits the bat. It's not like it's the crack that you need to hear it.

Now, also somebody there, James Reynolds, who was an actor on Days of Our Lives for over 30 years and is like their top celebrity of all time. So that guy. Yeah, it's a long time to be on a soap opera. People in this town, 1,086. Hasn't risen much since 1910. Up 1% since 1990. So it's hanging tough uh 10 percent in over 115 years super weird jesus median age is 38 8 which is about a year older uh male population

is 52 so this is out of whack here the male more male than female uh the 45 to 54 age group is high and the 10 to 14 year old age group is high, and the 10 to 14-year-old age group is high. So people came there and had kids when they were 35, and they still live there with them and their children. Or they were raised there, and they just waited a long-ass time to be able to afford kids. No, no, they didn't wait. It just happens, Jimmy. Here we go. Married population is a little bit higher than normal, but not much.

It's just a couple percentage. nothing huge uh when it comes to that uh single with children is a little bit higher than normal single with no children is lower than normal so it's not the most swinging place to go especially uh try to find somebody especially if you're a dude because there's more dudes right so watch out for that unless you're a gay dude then go crazy fuck go crazy fuck them all fuck them all man uh hey everybody gay chicks guys whatever you're gay, dude. Then go crazy. Fuck, go crazy. Fuck them all. Fuck them all, man. Hey, everybody. Gay, chicks, guys, whatever you can find. Knock yourself out. Now, race of this town, it's about 89% white, which is about, small town America, 90% white.

That's what it is. 2.3% black, 0.0% Asian. Nothing. Zero Asians. Not one. That's amazing to me. Out of a thousand. Out of black, 0.0% Asian. Nothing. Zero Asians. Not one. That's amazing to me. Out of 1,000. Out of 1,000 people.

Not an Asian to be found among them. 4.18% Hispanics. Not a lot there. It's usually almost 17%. Religion. I'd expect this to be a religious kind of a place, but 39.8% religious. Kansas is weird, too. Kansas will go some weird directions.

They'll change their politics on a dime like they'll flip on a dime they're they're they're an odd place kansas in a kind of a strange way people have wrote books about how weird the people go like how kansas will do things strangely in politics it's really weird yeah i don't know if it's stubbornness or planes living they're just i don't know they got their own opinions down there. The religion in this town, it's mostly Methodist, 13% Methodist, 0.0% Mormon. They haven't infiltrated this area yet, as you might be able to tell. They're going to get close. They're going to get there soon, because it's coming from Colorado.

0.0% Jewish. They're like, no, I don't think so. Not this town, guys. Sorry. 0.0% Muslim. Not this town, guys. Sorry. 0.0% Muslim.

In voting, politics, 30% Democrat, 62% Republican, over 7% voted independent. That's a lot. That is what it's normally 2% when we do these. That's a whole lot. 1% to 2% is independent. 7.3% voting independent in the last election is by far the most we've ever had. So this is definitely kind of a different kind of a place. It's definitely different.

They're not sure. That's what it is. They're not sure, and they're open to suggestion. Or that could be good. I mean, I don't know. That could be a good thing. If you're open to hearing all sides of something, that's not a bad thing at all. So, you know, let's hope you don't make the wrong choices.

That's all. It could go either way. It could go either way, I guess. It's hard not towing the party line and sticking with it. No, I'm fine with these people. Yeah, have some independent spirit. That's great. Knock yourselves out.

Just don't fuck up and be nice to black people, please. The 2% that you have, don't fuck with them. Thank you. And all you get is get to fucking. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, we're all for that. So unemployment rate is lower than normal. You're giving some real weird advice tonight.

We're getting strange advice. This is what you get when we've been on the road constantly and flying and not sleeping. You're going to get strange life advice from us. But it's good if you ask me. It's going to be solid advice. We're not fucking lying to you. And this is all solid shit. So unemployment rate's low.

It's about 4% in this town. Median household income is pretty close to normal, actually. It's the average in the country is almost fifty four thousand. Here it's an even fifty one thousand. So that's not too bad for a small town. For a lot of our small towns, it's not that terrific. There's there's, you know, the jobs to seem very like there's a little more health care jobs than normal and things like that. But they're pretty much in line with average America. Overall cost of living, 100 being regular average par, here it is 86. And the main thing that's driving it down is housing, which is a 58.

Housing, a median home cost here, $109,000. Very affordable. So it's an affordable place with jobs aplenty and so i don't know that seems decent uh there's some of the houses though i guess there's some older ones there is uh over 50 of the houses are worth under a hundred thousand dollars here that's a lot so yeah i think we got some older houses and if uh that sounds good to you if we've convinced you that you need to be in northeastern Kansas, we have for you the Oskaloosa, Kansas real estate report. Your average two-bedroom rental goes for about $840 a month, which is low, about $400 lower than the normal. I found a three-bedroom, two-bath, 1,216-square-foot home here.

It's in good shape. It looks nice. It's, I don't know, whatever your tastes are for decorating, but it looks like a solid, decent house here. $115,900. Not bad for that kind of place. I found a three-bedroom, three-bath, 1,656-square-foot. A little bit more. This is nice,900. Not bad for that kind of place. I found a three-bedroom, three-bath, 1,656 square foot. A little bit more. This is nice, too.

It's a nice house. It really is just like a nice house. And all these houses have some land around them, too. You're not on some little tiny lot. This is $164,900. And then I found something you want to stretch out. You've done very well for yourself around whatever the dirt farming you're doing around here is. And I found a four-bedroom, three-and-a-half bath, 4,400-square-foot house.

That's a lot of house. On 15 acres. Oh, shit. That's a lot of land. Fishing pond, horse stables, the whole deal. This is an estate for $588,000. That's a deal. That's a huge amount of land and shit.

For a retirement, though, if you just want to get away from everybody, that's terrific. Yeah, you could do that, or you could live in a closet on the East Coast. Take your pick. So, enjoy. I found a resident review of the joint, which I always like here. Now, this one, I couldn't find anything negative. I found a positive resident review, so I got the most positive one here I could find since they were all positive

this is quote I have lived in Oskaloosa Kansas my entire life and I could not think of a better small town to live in there's just enough people to communicate with and less than enough to feel less than enough not to feel claustrophobic the people in Oskaloosa are friendly and extremely united five stars

they're all white and extremely united five stars they're all white and very united that worries me but besides that we're fine uh also my house is for sale if you want to come also check on that i might be moving out of here 15 acres uh things to do here the oscaloosa old settlers festival is what they have and that is quote 150 years of kansas to the stars through difficulties is what the name of it. Fuckload of Kansas. Through difficulties. Like, they're not even, like, it's been tough.

They're not fucking shitting you. It's been rough, and we all know it, okay? This is fucking Kansas. Let's be honest here. But we're going to pull it together. We're all going to do. We're united, as that guy said in the review. We're very united, uh let's do it

and we're keeping the asians out on three one two three no asians okay zero point zero point zero break that's what it seems like is happening here rock chalk jayhawk break i've never seen a place with no asian people it almost seems like that has to be on purpose it just kind of has to be anytime there's zero of any of the top the the biggest nationalities, the four, the big four. The most common four, we'll say. When one of those four isn't there, it really feels... On purpose. It does not feel accidental, but who knows.

This festival will feature a variety of activities to pay homage to Kansas' history. So they have that. Living history performers from the third kansas light artillery battery will take participants participants on a trip through the civil war era with discussions and demonstrations including a live cannon firing holy shit a kansas themed parade will begin at 6 p.m no fucking idea what that means dorothy's in there. You know everything in here has Dorothy in there somewhere. There'll also be a carnival, a quote, pork burger tent. What?

So get your pork burgers now. A wine garden and music throughout the weekend. A pork burger? That's just a sausage McMuffin. It's just, yeah, they just put pork into a patty form and then gave it to you. That's a sausage. Pork, but no regular. They say nothing of regular burgers, hot dogs, anything. Just pork burgers. That's all they got. I don't know.

Crime rate in this town, what we're interested in. Property crime is low. It's about 20% under the average. Pretty safe town when it comes to that. Violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and assault. The Mount Rushmore of crime. Just below average here. safe town when it comes to that violent crime murder rape robbery and assault the mount rushmore of crime uh just below average here so uh overall it's coming in uh ahead of the game on crime

except for uh what we're going to talk about here and this wow this is uh guys i gotta tell you everybody out there jimmy wisman i this is it hurt so much that the computer died last week because this fucking story was one of those where i'm like oh i can't wait to tell jimmy wissman i this is it hurt so much that the computer died last week because this fucking story was one of those where i'm like oh i can't wait to tell jimmy this story because it's crazy as shit and i'm gonna watch his head explode and then we couldn't do it remember how many times i go it's just such a good story why can't this why is this happening now so i'm very excited to talk about this all i've got is a recycle bin and it tells me it doesn't do anything. It went to black. It just went to a black screen

and said it didn't recognize the recycle bin and had no operating system and it's a giant paperweight and it's a fucking mess. And we'll talk about that at the very end of the show. Just a quick,

we'll talk about the details of that and a couple of funny little live show things that we have to talk about. Anecdotes. Anecdotes, thank you. And maybe a bitch and a moan about a couple of things, too.

But we'll get it on. We'll see you at the end of the show here. Let's go back in time, Jimmy. Let's go back 19 years to 1999. Okay. Shall we? Wonderful time, 1999. I was graduating high school.

Prince was fucking, was going, see, I told you. Prince was like, now I'm going cash in now it's all it's i knew it see he was the smart one that's that's what we're thinking he said someone when that happens is gonna have the song but why why wait why wait why wait till that shit in like the 80s i'll write it 1984 1980 i don't know when he wrote it because Prince wrote catalogs of shit and who knows what order he recorded it. He's got tons in a vault in that fucking house of his. That's what I mean.

He's very prolific. So who knows when he wrote it, but the 80s, the early, the mid 80s, he was like, when it comes around, any song you write that's 1999, you're just biting my shit now and it's all going to come back to me. Brilliant.

Brilliant. God, I'm going to buy more purple shit and dress women up in weird costumes. Let's do God, I'm going to buy more purple shit and dress women up in weird costumes. Let's do it. I'm going to buy all the scarves. Me and Johnny Depp. We're going to be the one. Me, Johnny Depp.

They dress very similarly. Johnny Depp and Prince. Well, Prince doesn't dress like anything anymore. But Johnny Depp. He's dressed right now. I'm sure he is. Well, whatever's left of him is dressed up in something. I'm sure it's extravagant.

I'm sure it is. And I'm positive it's purple. Oh, you know it is. It's left of him is dressed up in something i'm sure it's extravagant i'm sure it is sure it's positive it's purple oh you know it is it's got ruffles somewhere so many just like a like a pirate with it's a purple pirate just yeah that's what that's what it is like a tiny purple pirate here we go no so little the legend of the tiny purple pirate so let's go back to 19 why could he shred he's a bad motherfucker and everything. What a guitarist. He could sing. He could kick ass. He could play guitar.

He writes. Gee, he was a badass. The original Mr. Steal Your Girl. That man was a, what a fucking player he was. And he's five foot three, which makes it way more impressive. He's so tiny. Way more impressive. November 5th, 1999.

There's a man named William Noble. He is a colonel in the United States Army and a professor of military science. Probably a smart guy, I assume. Stationed at Fort Leavenworth in this area here around Oskaloosa, Kansas. Fort Leavenworth is close by there. It's near there. Fort Leavenworth is close by there it's near there kilt's leavenworth is in kansas but it's uh he's off in this area and he's bow hunting on a friday afternoon on november 5th 1999 uh just you know doing his thing out in the woods

being an army dude yeah out in the woods with a bow um and he i bet he's good at it yeah i bet this guy's fucking something tells me he's good if he. Yeah. I bet this guy's fucking, something tells me he's good. If he's a professor of military science, something tells me he really has like studied how to take deer down with a fucking stealth weapon. He knows exactly where to put that thing. How much camouflage does he have on his face? Oh, Jesus. He's got leaves hanging from his hat. He's stuck in a tree somewhere.

He's still hanging out of it, I'm sure, upside down, getting ready to go. So the area he is hunting is near the Zul Dairy Farm. Zul, Z-U-L-E. Zul, like, I guess, in Ghostbusters. Zul. I don't know if it's the same Zul. It's the only Zul I know. Either way, he's got a dairy farm now.

He's decided to stop terrorizing Sigourney Weaver. And New York City. And just take a step back. Well, that rent in New York just was too much. Sigourney Weaver kicked him out of the fridge, and he's like, well, I can't afford anything. I can get a real nice place for $588,000 in Oskaloosa. I'm on the ship. I've got to bury myself up a big giant marshmallow's ass, and you guys just blew that thing all over the town.

You blew it all over. Why am I here? No one's talking anything about Oskaloosa. I get a free reign in that town. As a matter of fact, I'll name it New York City now. Fuck it. I'll make my own town. Rick Moranis is about to quit acting.

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He hears a woman scream. He hears a woman scream while he's in the woods bow hunting. And he hears the words, words quote please don't hurt me which is not what you want to hear from a woman screaming a few minutes later a few minutes go by because he stopped and like listened and you know you're in the woods you don't know which direction that shit comes from it's echoing around did i even hear what i think i just that's the other thing too if you're by yourself you go did i imagine that after five minutes you go did i imagine that did that just happen right now uh you know if it's only one sentence too you're like did that what did i miss you have

no idea you probably go is uh boy i wish i was gun hunting right yeah that'd be good well this this guy's probably a you don't want to fuck with him with a bow probably but i would assume even if you're fucking robin hood it takes a minute to reload yeah i mean these guys are you gotta pull one out your quiver you oftentimes can't it, and then you spin and keep walking. He's got leaves hanging down. You're not even going to see him. Just silent death. All you're going to hear is...

Then you're going to fucking drop, I feel like. You're not even going to know it's coming. He's a colonel and a professor of military science. That's a good point. He's a bad bow-hunting motherfucker, I feel like. So 5.30 p.m., he hears that. And hunting motherfucker i feel like uh so 5 30 p.m he hears that uh and then if nothing happens for like three four minutes so like i said by then he's probably like all right he just shrugs his shoulder i don't know maybe there was who the fuck knows

then he hears a deer talking to me and that's the thing he doesn't know what it was too he uh then he hears a few minutes later quote please don't hurt me somebody help please don't hurt me that's very much more specific that's not just very you know please don't hurt me huh somebody help and then repeats it that's that's uh you know that's something he says noble says quote at first i thought uh this was it could have possibly been somebody who was you know outside playing or something like that. But then there was this peculiar sound when you hear a young girl, when you hear a girl or woman scream, that was just not of the ordinary of a normal little fight or a tiff between individuals. She's trying for a life.

Yeah, this was there was she he says, quote, this was there was something distinct about that. And I waited a few minutes. And as I was sitting in the deer stand stand we knew he was in a tree and i thought you know that that was awfully peculiar and the inversion jesus and the inversion factor in that valley at the time and the atmospheric conditions in that in that little creek bed there were pristine so the next time i heard the scream which was a minute or two later it was very clear to me that there was somebody who was clearly in distress. This guy's a smart motherfucker. The words came out again, quote, please don't hurt me.

Somebody help. Please don't hurt me. And continued like that. At that time, it was very clear in my mind that somebody was in need of some help. So I got out of my deer stand very quickly, got out of my deer stand, and I went directly to the north north northwest to where I believe that the screams were coming from because they were clearly to my back I started running toward where I thought I heard a scream coming from so

we're not dealing with a moron who's out there scratching his ass going I think somebody said don't maybe I don't fucking know I was drunk on Pabst Blue Ribbon and I was just walking around and I heard something but it could have been my fart it wasn't that guy this guy this guy's talking about atmospheric conditions and the inversion

factor in the valley at the time or a guy that's like i i don't know what that is we'll put it that way i knew i was hungry i was leaned against this tree there was some mushrooms growing so i took a I ate them i'm standing up there in that deer stand and i just started imagining deers telling me don't hurt me don't hurt me and now i'm vegan i may or may not have heard something we'll just say that and i ain't want to eat no venison so after the second scream though he said he didn't hear anything else he didn't hear uh any any noise anything he didn't hear banging clanging smashing gun, nothing of that nature. Now, Richard Zuhl, who shockingly enough is the owner of the

dairy farm, not just coincidentally also named Zuhl. Dickie Zuhl's decided to take it easy nowadays and take a step back. He's the owner of the dairy farm. He testifies later on, he'll say that he was working outside at that time, but he heard nothing at all.

And this is all kind of the tree stands in the woods and then right beyond the woods is the dairy farm. So if this guy said it came, Noble said the scream came from behind him, it might not have reached the dairy farm. Or he might have been mistaken about where the scream was coming from, even though he's talking about inversion factors and atmospheric conditions, creek bed which is fucking insane he is really into this hunting shit this guy dude yeah he catches shit he comes home with me he doesn't come home going i'm catching nothing nothing out there he fucking catches families of deer he's got to set up like a rig to carry them all back because he's too heavy for them he's throwing them on the table by the legs. Yeah, he's got them like fish, like all strung up and he just drags them behind his four-wheelers and shit.

So at this point, we've got to talk about Zeta, Z-E-T-T-A, Zeta, Zeta probably, Zeta Camille Arfman. Okay, she is 14 years old. Everybody calls her Camille. She's 14 years old on November and she's everybody calls her camille uh she's 14 years old on november 5th

1999 she lives with her older sister heidi uh and her husband hide not not camille's husband at 14 thankfully it's not that can not this is not yeah we're not going this is not a rulo phillip situation here let's get that straight uh She lives with her older sister Heidi and her sister Heidi's husband Fred Bledsoe Jr. I did say that. Yes. Junior Fred Bledsoe Jr. Her mother lives in the next town.

Heidi and Camille's mother lives in the next town which it's weird why she doesn't live with her mother. It's a weird thing but there's any reason why there's some issues here we'll get to it here now camille on november 5th to friday rode the bus home from school she's dropped off at home at the trailer they live in a trailer the bledsoes and they also to uh fred jr and heidi have two little boys of their own. So there's, you know, this is a full house for a trailer.

And she lives there also at 14. She gets dropped off about 4.20 p.m. Now, a friend of Camille's stopped by around 5 p.m., but Camille wasn't there. The friend, like, looked into the trailer, you know, like, opened the door and looked around. She said she saw Camille's coat and school bag in the living room, but Camille wasn't there. So that's an odd thing. You know, the coat's there, but she's not there.

But who knows? Maybe she has a different coat. She should be doing homework by now. Who the hell knows? Yeah, whatever. But it's Friday, too. So whatever. So the friend leaves.

Now, November 6th, 1999, the next day at 1250 p.m., Camille still hasn't, nobody can find Camille. She'sille still hasn't nobody can find camille she's nowhere she's gone and she's reported missing okay uh she and and she's known as she's not the type of girl everyone says she's not the type that runs away she doesn't she's not out with boys she doesn't do drugs she doesn't do shit like that she's a studious they call her a very studious uh uh church-going girl she regular attends regularly attends services at the Countryside Baptist Church. They said that all of her books and papers in her locker, most of them are dedicated to Bible studies. She's not the type who's just going to take off on a Friday out of nowhere.

So everybody kind of freaked out, obviously, when she took off. Now, the reason why it didn't get reported until 12.50 the next day in the afternoon was because her sister Heidi thought she probably went to visit her mom. She said her mom's in the next town over, and I guess it's very frequent where her mom will pick her up and do something. And who knows? It's not like this is the thing. It's her older sister, so she takes care of of her but it's not like it's her kid so she probably has a little bit more

level of a little more leeway of freedom to come and go not to mention she has like this heidi has like a three-year-old and a two-year-old of her own so she's shit to do she's got shit to do man she's trying to keep two kids in a trailer from you know that is such a hard life to it's a hard life to have them that close together you have two of them in diapers two of them at that little age running around making sure they don't hit their head on shit yeah in one visit in one thing and then you got to worry about which this one's going out and doing and this one though i heidi wasn't or not heidi uh camille wasn't a real concern he said she was very easygoing she didn't cause teenage problems and she didn't. She's into church, James. She's super into church.

So this introduces, we'll talk about Floyd for a minute here. Floyd Bledsoe Jr. is Heidi's husband. And this girl's, I guess it would be her brother-in-law, the missing girl. And he's also got a brother named Tom Bledsoe. Fred Bledsoe is 25 years old. Tom Bledsoe is 23 years old. Jesus. It's like a Patriots. Jesus. So, yeah. Patriots fucking hybrid.

It's absolutely. Yeah. So they were I guess there's a newspaper article I found from the time where Heidi and Floyd Jr. were helping were helping the authorities in the search. They said they were they were searching for just days at a time here. The only one who was not present was Thomas Bledsoe, the brother, which they said was a weird thing. They described him as a 1993 graduate of Oskaloosa High School. He lived with his parents at this point in time.

He knew Camille. He even attended church with her. So he knew her. So right away, that was a red flag. They were like, OK, he knows this girl. He's the only one not showing up in this family here. The police, the guy into the head guy investigating this said, quote, let's put it this way. He would have known her schedule.

So right away, they're throwing this guy out there as like that's that's pretty, you know, they're throwing some shade here for the fucking newspaper. Yeah, identifying him by name and all that. They began to consider him a suspect at about 1030 on Sunday night. I guess he showed up a little while later at the police station with his parents and his attorney. So to talk. Yeah, I guess that's what ended up happening here. Now, he ends up but we'll talk about him in a second he they end up finding uh they uh uh floyd ends up talking basically they

get a tip let's let's put it this way they get a tip uh we'll talk about where that tip came from in a sec but they get a tip that leads them to camille and And they find her dead in that same woods where the guy was hunting near the dairy farm in that area. Now, this whole area is owned by the Bledsoe's parents. So they all live technically on this property in a way. They all have trailers. It's one of those things where it's a big property. Everybody, as we've heard from the real estate report,

a lot of acreage. And if you have some acreage and some kids who don't make a great living, they plop trailers all over your property. And then you have a compound, I guess, at that point. Shanty Farm. Exactly. Exactly. Now they find her. And we'll talk about that.

The police officer said without the tip leading to the body, we would have probably never found her. So at that point, tom is arrested okay tom bledsoe's arrested for the disappearance uh the 23 year old floyd's brother now floyd uh talks to reporters on the day his brother's arrested and he complains that they all he says they quote always just jump in after the kill has been made which is a weird weird. You would hope so. You hope they don't do it before. That's such a weird way to put it. They always just jump in and arrest people right away. That's why there's the first 48.

Usually that's when they find shit out. So, yeah, Floyd at this point said that he had been awake for 70 hours. Floyd had looking in the search for the girl. He said he'd been awake with his sister and they hadn't slept in 70 hours they just they said uh everything like that now tom lived with his parents uh tom bledsoe did like we said uh two days after like we said he turns himself in uh the her body ends up being found uh jesus christ tom says he uh knows where the body is is what ends up happening he through his attorney tells the investigators where the body is okay but he we'll talk about it in a second this is this is twisted show now uh poor camille is found under a pile of dirt

with several sheets of plywood and some clothing on top of the of the body which seems to be a very common burial attempt that we find. The plywood on top. And it's just like, well, I can't fill in all that shit back again. I'll just put plywood on top. No one will notice. Got to make it look flat. They'll think it's a floor now.

They'll think outside has a floor and no one will notice. There is a dance floor out here. They put hardwood out here. This is nice. This is nice. They put some hard plywood i'm gonna do that my art isn't bad uh damn good idea easier than pavers way easier uh she had been shot once in the back of the head and three times in the chest oh god three times uh the five they said

that the uh the autopsy reveals that the shot fired to the back of the head was a contact wound and was not fired in the location she was found. Oh. And it was right against the back of the head, right within a couple inches. So this whole thing is insane here. We'll talk about, there's more to her body, too, that we'll talk about. There's a lot to unfold here. This is a piece of origami, story that's just gonna we it's it's some weird shit we're gonna make a swan

in the end and uh it's gonna be beautiful and just just it's gonna be the black rain of beautiful swans so thomas bledsoe uh was one of the least likely people everybody said that was to be suspected uh at first they didn't even think for a second that Camille was abducted ever. They never thought she was abducted. The police officer here said, quote, 90 percent of our missing kids are runaways because this is like very I mean, it's it's fucking Kansas. These kids, they want to get the fuck out of here. They probably take off to go to the next town or the rules. That's what I mean.

Lots of rules and church. And, you you know it's just a small town kids snap and they want to go to the night it's a thousand people maybe they wanted to fucking find some weed who knows if i grew up in this town i'd have been going to topeka to score nickel bags period for sure they would have thought i ran away sorry i would have needed to i've only been gone for an hour i've been gone for an hour and it's 35 minutes away i sat in the woods and smoked a blunt leave me the fuck alone jesus christ so they say 90 of the missing kids are runaway so they weren't real concerned especially since the fact it was on a friday night yeah like the next day they were like oh she probably stayed at one of her friends' houses. You know how these kids are. She'll be fucking back, whatever.

Mom's close by. Her mom's close by. Well, they figured it out as soon as they reported her missing. Once Heidi realized that she's not with you, well, she's not with me. She's not with you. Holy shit. Let's call the cops. Now, Floyd, while talking to reporters, Floyd Jr. here, he choked up.

He was crying. He said he thanked the officers for their efforts. He told a television reporter that Camille was more like a daughter to him than a sister-in-law because he's 25 and she's 14. And, you know, she's a teenager. She's a kid and whatever. They said that she had transferred to Oskaloosa High School from Nortonville, I guess. She had lived in Nortonville previously. They remember, they said she was a nice girl.

You know she had hard times. This right here tells you that I don't think her home life was great. Number one, that she's living with her sister in her 20s. with her sister in her 20s and uh also the the this quote is quote they remember her as a pretty girl who who always worked to make make the best of her circumstances it's like even though the shit was hard for her she always had a good spirit like that's that's tough when you hear that you know the kid was probably going through some shit or something a good kid like and a good kid daughter no she's a good kid uh the police officer said, quote, it's a real shame. So no shit.

Now, they find the murder weapon, a nine millimeter semi-automatic pistol found in Tom Bledsoe's bedroom. That's not a good place for it to be, Tom. Not a good place for Tom. It also belongs to Tom. It's Tom's gun. So Tom's gun in Tom's bedroom. He had purchased the gun two weeks before the murder, before Camille

had been murdered. He had purchased a 9mm. So this is straight his gun. They know when he, even when he fucking bought it. Not like he found it in the woods or anything. He normally always kept the gun behind the seat of his truck. That was just where it always was.

That's his, you know, Tom. Only for two weeks. Well, he had another one before that. You see Tom, he's got a pistol behind the seat of his truck, period. That's all there is to it. Now, no fingerprints are found on the gun at all, which is strange for a gun that belongs to a man. Especially one that's new.

You've held that recently. You've held it and you put it in your house and it's weird that there'd be no fingerprints. You've held that recently. You've held it and you put it in your house and it's weird that there'd be no fingerprints. Now, they inspect the gun and the shell casings and the Kansas Bureau of Investigation, the KBI, and we'll just call them that because Kansas Bureau of Investigation is pretty long. They conclude that bullets from those, from the ballistics match is what they conclude here the kbi law the kbi lab said they could not be certain that the bullet lodged in camille's head was fired from tom's gun because it was too mangled a lot of times bullet when they hit bone that's when they apart they blow apart they dent they they smash

they uh bones fucking hard and bullets aren't as hard as bone uh when it comes to it so uh yeah and especially if it bounces around a skull a little bit, you'll find thick spots of skulls and it'll, yeah, that's what will happen. Yeah, unless it comes out clean, you're probably not going to get a great one here. So shells matching those fired from Tom's gun were found in his bedroom also. So murder weapon, his gun in his room. He just bought it. No fingerprints, but bullets all matched. So murder weapon, his gun in his room. He just bought it.

No fingerprints, but bullets all match the same bullets. They're the same bullets he fucking has in his room. They came out of the same batch and ballistics match to his gun. So not so great, right? I mean, things are looking bad for time. On Dateline, this shit's a slam dunk. And he told them where the body was and ultimately pretty much confessed to the thing by telling them where the body was and all that kind of shit he didn't say like now i heard right uh i was in town at the general store and a man said you want to see a dead 14 year old and i said fuck yeah i do no pray tell sir where would that body be pray tell

where might a dead 14 year old girlold girl be stored and housed nowadays? But not so fast. Not so fast, Jimmy. This is a slam dunk. They're ready to close the door on Dateline, but we're not quite fucking ready yet to close that door. Not so fast. November 6th, 1999. Now, this is two days later.

I mean, this is all happening bang, bang, bang here. It's the day after the disappearance uh this is a uh state this is a something a guy saw that day dan courtney who's a neighbor of the bledsoes that whole bledsoe clan saw a truck around eight or nine a.m that resembled tom's truck coming out of the field where camille was buried and then tom made a statement to police that implicated uh that you know implicating himself here now tom says at this point now this is where shit gets weird okay he at this point starts saying well you know this is tom's story okay let's just let tom tell the story i won't even tell you what he's saying. He says that around 3 p.m. on November 5th, the day of the disappearance,

he picked up his paycheck at Farmland Industries in Lawrence. Farmland Industries, where he worked as a security guard. He said after that, he went to a bait-and-tackle store to look at a rifle and some bows. This guy's having just a redneck dream Friday. Get his paycheck, head right on to the bait and tackle shop, and pull back some bows, baby. And Farmland is that company that makes all the bacon and hog stuff? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's a hog farm. Well, he watches people who make that shit and makes sure nobody comes in and kills them, apparently. It's like cheap stuff. Cheap stuff. Oh, yeah, yeah. This is where Carl's Budding comes from, or Carl Budding's or whatever that shit that shit meat in a bag with like three slices of weird transparent

opaque fucking meat it's so weird it's not just it's all just smashed processed like particle board meat it's weird as fuck man but it all it all take it all tastes the same it all has a weird it's it's the turkey tastes just like the roast beef so what does that tell you it's like they just pour us a flavor on it and then just be like now that shit's turkey and they make a shape yeah that's it yeah it's cat food put into shapes so uh that's a cat food put into shapes come pick up some carl's buddy roll it real thin so So he goes to Rusty's Outdoor Equipment around 4 p.m. to buy some ammunition. Tom does. So, man, he's got a big weekend ahead of him here.

Now, the store manager says that the receipt issued to Tom was generated at 4.30 p.m. Okay? So he was definitely at a store at 4.30 p.m. p.m. Okay. So that's he was definitely at a store at 430 p.m. When Tom left Rusty's outdoor equipment place here, Tom uses his cell phone to call his father before he drives home. But his father wasn't home. So then we also have a call and a place where he's at, you know, the ping of the thing and the whole deal. Now, the next morning uh what ended up happening here uh or i'm sorry still that night tom attended a church function at 6 p.m very like he normally does out friday night he goes to church so that's just a normal thing i'm gonna get off work go to the

bait and tackle shop uh look at the bows head over to rusty's grab some ammo and then shit i gotta get to church it's friday night praise the lord wow super strange here he returned home around 9 30 p.m three hours of praising three hours at church friday night church what fuck i hope there's blow jobs at that church i hope somebody is fucking putting out at that church because why else a lot of time there why else would a single 23 year old man go to church for three hours on a friday night unless there was other you know unless there was women there somebody's interested in i suppose so at minimum so his parents weren't there so he went to bed uh he said his parents

ended up where he said they arrived 30 minutes later so he went to bed at 10 o'clock uh nine between 9 30 and 10 o'clock on a a Friday night after coming home from an exhausting church service. He's a swinging 23-year-old, this Tom Bledsoe boy. Holy shit. That's a marathon of baptism. That's a lot of church, man. He's just, wow. Work, bows, ammo, church, bed.

No. Fuck that. What a night. church bed no fuck that what a night so the next morning uh tom helps around the house and worked on a lawnmower apparently uh i guess now uh earlier that morning before tom uh was doing this uh floyd jr yep uh had called uh his father who tom lives, to tell him that Camille was missing. He says Camille's missing. And the police also asked Tom if he had seen a 13 or 14-year-old girl anywhere in the area. And Tom told them that she hadn't been around here.

I haven't seen her at all. Woke up, worked on a lawnmower. I don't know what the fuck's going on here. So that was how he's saying his day went so on on the saturday tom says he left for work between 11 and 1 p.m which is a pretty big fucking window of leaving for work uh he says schedule tom just remember the fuck you whenever i punch in when i fucking want to that's why you think we make shit meat we ain't got no rules in this fucking plant that's why all our food sucks understand people come and go as they fucking please sometimes there ain't no shifts sometimes there's no pig they just use the fucking rats from outside

they don't give a shit this ain't we're out of pork fuck the rats will do this place sucks i quit between 11 and one. I am. That is just that is shocking. You don't know. He doesn't know. He has no idea. He's no idea.

So Tom testifies that on his way to work, he saw his brother's green car with the white top here. And Tom stopped beside his brother. And Tom stopped beside his brother. This is at the edge of of Oskaloosa, which sounds like a terrible movie. Yeah. At the edge of Oskaloosa. Does it? But there's always a body there. Yeah. Or or a terrible song from somebody.

Yeah. In the edge of Oskaloosa. Ronnie Millsap shit. Yeah. Some horse shit. I don't know who that is. But yeah, that sounds right. I have no fucking idea. Old shit country. Okay. Yeah, some horse shit. I don't know who that is, but yeah, that sounds right. I have no fucking idea.

Old shit country. Okay, that's old shit country. Because I like old good country. It's like from the 60s. Yeah, I won't listen to... I mean, there's... But I'm sure there's a lot of old shit country. There's a couple Ronnie Millsaps that are good.

I'm sure. I can't think of someone I'll tell you. But he's got one. One or two. He's got one of them out there. He's got a couple club bangers. That's right. Oh, yeah.

Fucking bumping through your system. He ain't Highwayman men but he's all right thumping from your trunk so uh uh he i guess uh i guess uh um uh tom asked uh i guess floyd asked tom if uh or tom asked floyd if camille had been found and if they had any if any flyers had been handed he's like if they find her do they hand out flyers what are are they doing? He asked Floyd. Okay. Tom also says that the police were looking for Camille. And, uh, you know, Floyd said, yeah, no shit. I know that already because, because Tom's like, they asked me where he was.

And she's like, yeah, he's like, yeah, they live at my house. She lives in my house. So I was the one who told them to look for. So obviously, like we said, Floyd knew this, uh, that he was, the cops were looking for. Now this is, this is all contradictory. This is after Tom says where tells the cops where the body is and all that sort of thing. This ends up happening. This is what Tom this is what Tom says later on happened. He says he says that Floyd at this point laid his head on his own steering wheel. But Floyd, at this point, laid his head on his own steering wheel, Floyd did, and looked a little nervous.

Tom says that he asked Floyd what was wrong, and Floyd said that Camille was dead. That's what Tom says. Now, Tom says that Floyd was mumbling, but he heard him clearly say the words, quote, accidentally shot her. So Tom says he heard Floyd say that Floyd said he accidentally shot her. Tom asked, Tom said he asked what? And Floyd said, quote, she's dead, accidentally shot her. That's what Tom says. Now, Tom also says, Tom also says that he asked Floyd why she was dead. I would assume bullets would be the number one answer to that one. But he said that Floyd shook his head and shrugged his shoulders. Like, why'd you kill her?

I don't know why. So then Tom said he started asking why she was dead and if Floyd had raped her or sexually assaulted her. Interesting question. Yeah, that's an interesting question. Did you rape her? Is that why you killed her? That's the first question you'd think.

Accidentally shot her, he must have raped her it's the first question you'd think accidentally shot her he must have raped her that's an odd thing to jump to uh now tom says that floyd responded quote yes no i don't know which is a very unclear answer i don't like that answer ever jimmy ask me you ever raped anybody nope never not once nope sexual assault no never that either nothing not a fucking thing nope keep my dick in my hands to myself you're not gonna follow that with a yes or i don't know nope not a yes no i don't know just nope next question not one next question that's the answer that's a fascinating answer to a fascinating what's the why the why the jump yes no i don't know uh so uh floyd tom says at this point floyd told tom that uh floyd recalled that her shirt and bra were above her

breasts and that he used tom's pistol to shoot camille uh tom said that he at that point reached because this is in the car they're meeting like two cops that pull up next to each other with their the opposite ways and talk with their fucking passenger or driver's side doors you know like on the wire when they pull up and say where they're gonna go meet up and never mind fuck it jesus christ take pictures of drug dealers kind of like that so uh tom says once he hears that because floyd said i used your pistol to shoot her after I apparently sexually assaulted her. Tom says he reached behind his truck and felt his gun in the case there.

He was looking for it. He said that Floyd knew that he kept his gun in his truck. So he's saying that it must have been returned because it was back there. It was in the back of his seat here. He said that Floyd obviously knew he kept his gun there. It was in the back of his seat here. He said that Floyd obviously knew he kept his gun there. Tom also says that Floyd told him that Floyd shot Camille once in the back of the head and twice in the chest.

When Tom asked where Camille was, Floyd told him that she was in the trash dump behind their parents' house underneath some plywood and trash and dirt so tom is saying later on uh that he got the information of where the body was from from floyd who's the murderer and obviously case closed this is after he confessed to killing the girl and maybe raping and maybe raping this is after no this is that no that was floyd right this is after tom had told the police he told the police i, I killed her. Here she is. She's in there. And then later on, he's like, whoa, I didn't kill her, actually. I just, here's what really happened.

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I think that goes without saying. Use your gun. Use your gun just so you'll keep it to yourself here. He said that if anyone were to come snooping around, Floyd told him, look, if anyone comes snooping around, you better take the blame for this. To which anybody in their right mind, I don't care if it's your brother, there's no relationship close enough to where you go, yeah, I'll say I raped and killed a 14-year-old girl. No problem. No problem. Yeah. A member of my family, as a matter of fact from the church yeah they'll they'll treat me great leave you on the lam sure absolutely you know what dude it's cool because

that one time when we were kids uh you let me up money for that ice cream truck so i'm gonna get you back now deal you always said i owed you one and i do i got you uh now this is fucked up, his reasoning here, he doesn't just say you're going to take the blame, and Tom says, oh, all right. He says that, Tom says that Floyd told Tom, if you don't take the blame, I'm going to tell people about your past. Now, first of all, no past is equal to raping and killing a 14-year-old girl. Unless you have raped and killed several 14-year-olds. Of other 14-year-olds, or 13-year-old girls, or 12-year-old girls, or any other age girl.

Now you're talking. Or 28-year-old girls, or any other girl. But Tom acknowledges, Tom says that Floyd had threatened him this way before to get what he wanted. This is like Floyd's move, he says. He threatens to blackmail him uh the reason what he's scared of being revealed is that he thought floyd would reveal that at one point uh tom apparently tried to have sex with a dog uh which was a unsuccessful attempt unsuccessful attempt they caught him someone walked in on him trying to fuck a dog okay and apparently ty floyd was holding this information over him and also that tom had quote been caught with

dirty magazines and had and had quote played with himself while watching dirty movies so he's gonna tell if you don't say you raped and killed a 14 year old girl i'll tell everyone that you jerk off to porn which is like that's what it's for sir i don't understand tell people i also drink pepsi he's they're not 12 these 23 years old you're like yeah i got dirty magazines fuck yeah i do i jerk off all over the living room my balls are covered in jizz what of it motherfucker it motherfucker? It's my fucking one. I'm an adult. Who cares? I am 37. I will twist one off in front of you, James. I don't care. Who cares?

So, the sex with a dog, that's one thing. That's different. That's different. You probably don't want that to come out. You don't want your friends to know that. That's so outlandish, it's deniable. Yeah. It's so outlandish, it's deniable.

Dirty magazines, you think he'd... I get it that the thing is, though, this is a guy who comes home from church. After three fucking hours, James. This is a guy who comes home from work on a Friday night and goes to church for three hours. So his group of people and his friends, if they pass around, Tom reads Dirty Magazine and plays with himself watching dirty films. I heard he likes peanut butter on his balls. Oh, man. And then he tried to fuck a dog because he was scared that if he fucked a girl, he'd go to hell.

So he thought that was better. That's what I'm saying. So that, I guess, was what he's trying to say was a big thing. But I'm not buying those don't equal what happened here. So he says that Tom says that he drives away from Floyd at that point, shaken up. He's been told that his brother's sexually assaulted a teenage girl and killed her. And he's been threatened with outing him of his obviously just... Sordid past.

His sordid past and his weak character, obviously. Now, Tom says when he got to work, he examined his gun to see if it had been fired. He had cleaned the gun the previous week, and as far as he knew, it hadn't been fired after the cleaning, but when he smelled the gun, it had a burnt, smoky smell. You bet. So it had been fired. Tom had loaded the gun with 10 shells before putting it behind his truck seat.

Tom ain't fucking around in traffic. Watch out for Tom. But now he said there was only two shells left in the gun when he examined it smoky smell eight bullets gone gone gone of them eight of them so uh tom thought about whether he should go to the police with the information or this is his choice this is his dilemma he goes i didn't know whether i should go to the police with this information or if i should just keep my mouth shut and take the rap. What? There's no. Okay.

That's not a choice. I get that. There's no choice there. No, some families are weird. I get that some families are over enmeshed and some siblings feel like they'll do it. They'll literally take a bullet for their siblings and do this and that and blah, blah, blah. But this is not one of the things that

you would do yeah take the rap for this type of crime you know what i mean like i have little brothers they're great i love them we just saw eric in new york love eric i if you hey eric if you rape and kill any teenagers you're on your own going down i mean i'm not gonna fucking fuck with you further but i'm not gonna take the rap for it either i mean you you know you're on your own mister i don't know what to tell you get your shit together but my brother would never he's a nice kid he'd never do that nice guy he's my family's weird too i haven't talked to my sister since my daughter's birthday because my sister's an asshole i'm not i'm taking the rap for this shit no i wouldn't even let my daughter cry over her so fucking taking a rap for no no thank you so that this is his story of why he's taking why

he initially confessed to the police he's saying he says he gets off work at 11 p.m yeah so he goes to work with this in his brain so all night he sits at work with this this all stewing around knowing that a member of his extended family is deceased and someone in his brother killed her and that he's being blamed for it by his brother or else people are going to talk about how he tried to fuck a dog and how he jerks off to porn. I don't know.

In 1999. This isn't 1963. This is 1999. Jenna Jameson was like a legit mainstream celebrity back then. It was fine to jerk off to porn. No one cared porn no one cared no one was it a male dog or is there extra shame for that i think it would probably be extra shame for it i would think yeah yeah that's homosexual bestiality i don't interspace these homosexual

homosexual activity no good you are excommunicated so uh he ends up uh he said he gets off work at 11 and uh like i said all this shit pondering processing he said he went home to quote make sure what floyd told him was true yeah so he went home to check to see if the the camille's body was there and that's how he knew what a walk just to make sure right that's a yeah that this is all true that's quite the walk he said he drove out to the trash dump looked around with a flashlight he said he noticed shovel marks on the side of the bank of the ditch and that some plywood was out of place as he knows where all the drunk plywood is in the trash heap he said i don't know maybe they have a place for plywood maybe he's tom says

he got down into the ditch and looked under the plywood uh he said trash was blocking his view and he didn't see camille's body he said he got out of the ditch and looked for the shovel that he'd used earlier in the week to dig up a tree he said he spotted the show probably saying that's why my fingerprints are on it right after spotting the shovel he said he returned to his truck and drove home uh he said he put his gun in his dresser drawer so he said i didn't he didn't even look further he just he couldn't see it he said good enough takes the shovel takes the gun out of his truck and puts it in his dresser drawer now after church the next evening by the way tom was at church on a saturday night as well uh or that would be a Sunday. So that's fine. But an evening church.

Tom, no, not even Sunday night football for these people. I guess there's no team. So what do you care? Tom went to the police station. That's when he went to the police station. And he said that he, you know, that's when he confessed and all of that. He said before he talked to the police, he called Jim Bollinger, his minister, and left two messages, which you call your lawyer. He came with his parents and his lawyer, but leave the minister out of the shit.

In the messages, he said that he was sorry and that he would, quote, pay for the rest of his life for what he had done. And he did not say. But he didn't say that he that he killed Camille. He just said he was sorry and he's going to pay for the rest of his life for what he had done, and that's it. But then, once he gets to the police station, he tells police officers that he shot Camille. He says that he turned himself in for something that he didn't do because he didn't want people to know about his past. All that whacking off and dog're gonna ask dog and that's gonna be in the paper now that's the thing either way it's coming out but you're gonna add this to

it just say yeah that's right that happened right i was shit face now since then though i go to church every friday night and jesus lord savior has taken me from the depths of fucking dogs and jerking off to filthy hillers and now i'm all good i go to church friday saturday sunday just oftentimes monday oftentimes monday sometimes on tuesday it's closed i'll just sit on the step sometimes they tell me now that's enough of that shit get come on back tomorrow we've had enough of you and i just say you know i just want to help out i just love the lord so uh you ever seen a pug's asshole it walks around displaying it's just it's just asking for it for lack of a better term because i understand it's not the most political but they're asking for i'm sorry they're asking for it that bitch is begging so he also said

at this point uh not only did he not want people to know about his past, but he also said that he thought about that he wanted Floyd's children to grow up with their father in their home. He says a day or two after his arrest, he was ashamed about lying. That's when it just hit the shame, not the shame of the shame of lying about uh about saying he killed the person and keeping the secret uh it was too much for him it was too much and he had to talk with the police again and this is when he said this is what really happened i talked to floyd he told me this said i'll tell everyone about your whacking and everything else so uh he said that he could not live with himself because floyd had told him

where camille's body was and he just couldn't ignore it and act like it never happened he just couldn't he's too good of a guy jimmy he's just too good of a guy he's really nice he's a nice man apparently loves his brother loves his brother he's willing to take the rap for him and his kids here literally anything but yeah that's that's what he says happened. And I mean, you know what I'm saying? A shrug of the shoulders. What the fuck do we know here? So Cody, who is Floyd's two-year-old son, he made statements, I guess, kind of implicating

Tom and Floyd, this child. The child statements developed this way. Floyd and his wife, Heidi, had the two sons here. They dropped. Heidi dropped the boys off at a babysitter's house at 1245 p.m. on Friday, the day of the disappearance. OK. Before she went to work, the babysitter watched the boys until 1245 a.m.

Twelve hours. Yeah. Until then. Morning. In the morning when Floyd picked them up, I guess, because they were looking for Cam a.m. 12 hours. Yeah. Until then. In the morning. In the morning when Floyd picked them up. I guess because they were looking for Camille. Yeah. Floyd brought them back to the babysitter around 245 a.m.

Wow. And then returned at 830 a.m. to get them. Now, on Monday night, which is November 8th, Cody tells his mom that Tom had killed Camille. That's what he told his mom. The two-year-old says that. The two-year-old says that. The two-year-old says that he described Tom shooting Camille, wrapping her in a blanket and putting her in the dump. This is a two-year-old. Rosa Bollinger, who is a girl who attended the same church as Camille, said she also heard Cody telling a story about Tom shooting Camille.

So there's multiple people have heard this. Rosa told police that Cody said, quote, Tom shot Camille. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And dumped her in the water. Tom put his he said that Tom put his blanket around Camille and also put Camille's blanket around her. Tom closed Camille's eyes and kissed her cheeks is what he said and later cody changed what he said telling his mother that now he says daddy shot camille literally like two days later the kid changes his story to the two

year old says mommy daddy all the things that was daddy shot Camille and daddy threw Camille in the water and all this. So this is fucking confusing. Who the fuck killed this goddamn kid? Let's talk about this here. Let's talk a little more about Floyd, because all we've heard about Floyd is through through others, through Tom, through his through his threats of exposure. Now, Floyd spoke to cops on Monday, November 8th. So that's three days after Friday she disappeared. He said that he met Camille's school bus on the road on Friday after it stopped at his trailer.

Floyd said that he stopped at his trailer, but Camille wasn't there. He then denied going to the trailer. So his story changes. First, he said that he met the school bus on the road. Then he said he stopped at the trailer, but she wasn't there. Then he denied that he was ever at the trailer. So these are three different stories about that afternoon, which is not a good sign. That's too many stories.

Too many stories for Floyd. So a detective went to a hardware store and verified that Floyd had purchased duct tape and a sweatshirt at 4.20 p.m. On Friday. On Friday at 4.20 p.m. when friday on friday at 4 20 p.m when his brother was at rusty's buying ammunition right so uh after returning to the zool dairy farm where he worked floyd worked at the dairy farm right there uh he went out into a field floyd did to to uh to uh to check on a cow and then rode a four-wheeler toward the farm to start milking the cows. That's what he does here at the Zool Dairy Farm.

Now, Richard Zool estimates that milking the cows takes three and a half to four and a half hours, followed by about 30 minutes of barn cleaning. Bledsoe, Floyd, he called Zool at 11.30 p.m. to tell him that one of the cows was not giving milk. So that's a long period of time that it takes longer than what he says. You know what I mean? Because he's 1130. He supposedly got to the dairy farm before five. And he's saying at 1130, he's still fucking with the cows.

That's six and a half hours later when the boss said it only takes three and a half to four and five hours. Max five hours. Max in and out. Milk them all and clean the barn. Maximum. And this is three and a half to four and a five hours max all five hours max in and out milk them all and clean the barn maximum and this is six and a half hours later he hasn't even started cleaning yet he's still talking about one cow not giving milk okay so shit's weird here now i think he ever fucked a cow oh fuck they all did i'm sure i'm sure it would probably yeah yeah one of these guys and not all of them well some of them probably i'm sure they get drunk enough to there will be like can't be that bad like you know i bet it could accommodate i mean how different how different can it be i bet i could fit i bet you know what

fuck it i'm gonna i'm gonna do it i'm gonna do it right now so uh heidi arrived home from work and if we remember too he picked the kids up at 12.45 a.m. So we're talking 11.30, not giving milk, 12.45 a.m. He's picking up the kids. So it's taking a little bit longer than it should here. Now, Heidi arrived home from work around midnight, November 5th, that night. Floyd pulled his car in behind her, and they separated to look for Camille. Heidi said that Camille was missing. She reported on the next day.

Floyd picked up two of Camille's sisters and returned with them to Oskaloosa. So that's two of Heidi and Camille's sisters, two of his sisters-in-law, and brought them into town because I guess they were staying with the mother, brought them into town to help look. The next day, Floyd took flyers describing camille to the school uh he wore the black sweatshirt he bought at the hardware store uh on that friday night he so from from then from the time he bought the sweatshirt he wore that all the way through sunday from purchase to sunday because he just he hadn't sleep or anything he was just looking for 70 hours

there's a thousand people in this entire town and he's hanging flyers at the school at this they all they know who they know who she is that's what i mean it's so that's that's i thought that was very odd too i was like the flyers like it's a bit to the school i don't get they all know her there she goes uh now uh in his first statement to the police, Tom claimed that the conversation with Floyd took place before noon. The one that we talked about him putting his head down and all that. Now, later on, an officer testifies that he was at Floyd's trailer from about 9 a.m. till about 12, 17 p.m. and that Floyd was there the whole time. So that's contrary to everything's contradictory.

There's two sides to everything here. there the whole time so that's contrary everything's contradictory there's two sides to everything here a neighbor testified that he was driving by the trailer between 12 15 and 12 30 that day and floyd stopped him and handed him a flyer on the saturday uh now the so that's he's there around the trailer till at least 12 30 and uh tom said that the conversation happened before noon so that's what it's kind of where we're at now uh another officer said he told he provided tom with information to help uh to help him uh he said that tom was not sure about the time that he talked to to floyd on the road and had been had not been trying uh to be exact when giving a time he just sat around i think it was before noon is what he said. I wasn't saying exactly when it was.

When Tom said when he reviewed and remembered the different events, he changed the time of his talking to Floyd till afternoon. So to make it convenient. Now, things look bad for Tom. Either way, he can change his story and flip it. But he confessed and said where the body is. It's looking bad for both of them. It's looking bad for both of them. It's looking bad for both of them.

Tommy worse. Tom worse. So what ends up happening here, interesting, a few days later, Floyd is arrested. Floyd's arrested and Tom is let go. Whoa. Yeah. That's a fascinating development. Yes.

What happened? So Floyd is charged with first degree murder at this point. The same charge that Tom had been charged with that has now been dropped. So they drop one charge another. Wow. This is insane. He Floyd had complained to reporters that they didn't report his high Camille's disappearance fast enough. And on Monday or on the monday on that monday

he said there should have been more reporting of it and all that sort of thing here uh this is fucking insane here that they drop it against time i don't even know what to say about this this is this is fucking bonkers man uh uh so heidi bledsoe the the sister and wife of now the accused murderer, she's proclaiming Floyd's innocence. You don't do that. She's saying, quote, I just know Floyd didn't do it. No, that's not the kind of person Floyd is. That's like you saying, it's my kind of guy. Yeah.

So he's displaying, everyone else thinks he's displaying true junior behavior. Yeah. And she's saying no. Now, this is is fucking the whole thing is so fucked up man uh thomas bledsoe was released as a part of an agreement between the defense attorney and the county attorney that he's also going to testify against floyd okay that's part of it too he's going to tell all that shit that he said yeah he's going to say that exact shit in court yeah i talked to him then he put his head down on yes no i don't know all that shit

uh because by the way they don't release this in the papers they hold this tight to the vest but uh Camille was raped as well and there is uh there is uh there's semen that they have a sample of and everything else oh no so yeah this is uh that doesn't really help with the brothers because they have the same blood type or they have the same uh it's not a d we'll talk about the d never mind we'll get to it hold on it's half the unzipper it's yeah we'll talk about how it is though uh so uh they said as a result of all this evidence they arrested him at 3 a.m on a saturday floyd uh it is first degree premeditated murder aggravated kidnapping and aggravated indecent liberties is what they call that's interesting indecent liberties is how

they're doing it's just fucking rape sir that's that's what i would say yeah uh and i don't know that that could be worse in kansas indecent liberty encompass so many different things that could yeah that's i mean that could be a worse overall charge so there's there's a preliminary hearing and in this tom testifies uh he says that his brother, quote, ordered him to take the rap for killing the girl. Obviously, he's kind of the star witness here. He says that Tom says that he was originally charged, but he just did it. Like I said, he changed his mind out of fear that his brother might kill again. That's what he said in court.

He said, well, if he did it to that young girl, he could do it to anybody. And I just couldn't live with myself. Why would you take the rap? Yeah, that's what he said in court he said well if he did it to that young girl he could do it to anybody and i just couldn't live with myself why would you take the rap yeah that's what i mean he's like so sir was children would have a father tom said i don't have any kids he's got two kids so uh he's gonna do it again tom yeah tom says at this point in court that floyd confessed to him saying that he killed camille after what he called a, quote, sexual encounter went awry, is what he said. Now, this is interesting here. The judge here, there's preliminary hearings. The judge, there's over Miranda rights. Floyd's saying he wasn't advised of his Miranda rights.

The judge said that he was fully apprised of his Miranda rights. He voluntarily submitted to into officers interviews and all that sort of shit that's when he had like his statements that were you know i was here then i didn't see her then i did see her and all that sort of shit uh now kansas bureau of investigation uh testified that uh bledsoe was not under arrest when he was being interrogated and all that sort of shit. So they said they got enough information and enough wrong statements and fucked up double talking out of Floyd to where they were suspicious of him, independent of Tom, basically.

Now, during the trial, April 2000, the coroner said that it was likely that Camille was shot in the head first, placed in the position in the ditch and then shot three more times horrible like a mob killer like they shot him away like like a fucking like a like a death squad yeah like some sort of or like he shot third world country death death squad doesn't know where to shoot somebody and when he dumped her in the ditch she moaned or something he was like that bitch gotta die yeah that just seems to me like that's what they do in Cambodia. They just pop one in the head and then pop, pop, pop when you fall in the hole. And then next, next, and next.

It just seems very unceremonious and weird. Now, Floyd argues that there's no explanation. He said that there's no explanation. The police have no timeline. Even if you listen to serial, there's a timeline of what they think, whether you believe it or not. They put together what they think is the timeline. Adnan went here, then him and Jay went here,

blah, blah, blah. It's kind of the job of the prosecutor. You need to tell a story to the jury, usually. The jury needs to see a narrative. They need to see it play out in their head and they go, oh, that makes sense. He went here, then he went there, then he went here. And not just a plausible opportunistic one, but it's got to be. It's got to be right.

And it's got to make more sense than the lie that the defendant is telling. Exactly. You need to. Yeah. And then you can twist shit. Which one is more believable, this or this? What do you think? Yeah.

So I know you add in physical evidence then and everything else. So Floyd says there was never an explanation given by the prosecution about how he stole Tom's gun and then put it back in his truck without anybody noticing. You don't have to. They said basically, how would he steal his gun, kill Camille, bury her on the farm and then replace the gun without anybody noticing? He said they don't they don't have any explanation. I don't have any timeline. They don't say how I did that. He also says that there was a dog on the property and the family

was home late at night. Nobody heard any shots. Nobody heard anything. He's saying, how did I do any of that shit, basically. The state says that there was evidence that Camille was afraid to be alone at night with Bledsoe when Heidi was working. Rosa Bollinger, the girl that went to church with her,

she testifies that camille told her that uh floyd was quote always hitting on her and trying to get her to wrestle with him she said that uh that camille told her that if he would not stop camille would just go into her room uh the state also says that bledsoe was in love with camille, Floyd Bledsoe. Now, records show that Floyd told the police that he loved Camille and that Heidi and he were about to get a divorce. That comes out. That comes out in court, that there's documents that were filed that they're about to get divorced, and that he asked Camille what she was going to do after the divorce.

And that Camille told Floyd that she didn't know. But Camille told Rosa that she wanted to move in with Rosa. She asked if she could move in with her because she doesn't want to be around any of this shit. Now, around 10.30 p.m. on the Friday of the disappearance, November 5th, Camille's mother called up Floyd and said she was going to call the police. She said, I Camille's not home yet. You haven't seen her. I haven't seen her. I'm calling the cops. Now, she says the mother says that Bledsoe told her not to. Floyd told her not to. Floyd's brother in law testified that he and two other people drove to the dairy at around 11 p.m. to talk to Floyd. But Floyd's car was gone and the lights were out.

So all his times are all fucked up. Now, 1245 a.m. that night, Bledsoe picked up his sons from the babysitter, like we said, returned them to the babysitter two hours later. Cody, the two-year-old son at that point, told people that Tom shot Camille, wrapped him in the blanket, and that she was put into the dump. And then later that day, he changed it to Daddy shot her. Now, this sounds like also he heard about somebody did this. But at that point, nobody knew that that happened to her. So the kid had to see something or hear something, somebody telling something. something or hear something.

Somebody telling something. Heidi acknowledges at trial that Cody's story and his actions were graphic enough to suggest that he did observe what he was. He knew details. And two-year-old kids. They're a little shit on those. They haven't seen a lot of murders usually or even a lot of

dramatized murders. Even TV. They have no ideas of how murder plots go down to where they could just make shit up. Even have no ideas of how murder plots go down to where they could just make shit up even if they did know how murder plots go they're not real good with the details not really there's their stories or shit if they're even stories about shit they've seen or shit so if they have details that shit must have really burned into their fucking mind because otherwise shit's gone in two seconds so uh uh bledsoe the bledsoe father uh tom and floyd's father testifies that he saw floyd's green car pass on the road the next day sometime after tom had left he said in a

conversation between floyd and his mother his mother said quote well i know tom didn't do it and floyd responded yes i know tom didn't do it somebody else did responded, yes, I know Tom didn't do it. Somebody else did. That's what the father said. He overheard. And then he said, well, maybe dad did it then. And his mother said, Floyd, that's not true. And that's that was he was just trying to I don't know if he was being funny or what. So Tom testifies, obviously, star witness during cross-examination the defense attorney floyd's attorney s uh s uh tom why he didn't just turn floyd in and uh he wondered why tom would take the blame for a crime he didn't commit these are all good questions at trial yeah and that trial it sounds silly when you're like well i was going to take the rap for you know sexual assault and murder of a teenager just as

any teenager teenager yeah somebody in my family tree yeah someone in my family tree church going kid not not a runaway crackhead that i found in an alley somewhere this is somebody where people in this community are going to want to fuck me up for doing this i'm for sure going to take the rap of murdering that person yeah absolutely no shit man so uh so then he had to describe in court that he was afraid that he was going to be accused of fucking a dog and jerking off and having dirty magazines so no matter what happened he had to in open court divulge his most fucking intimate detail divulge the shit he doesn't want to uh uh now uh uh he said but also they also said that uh uh he was very vague on the stand saying that uh only his religious beliefs made him take the blame to protect the future of Floyd's young sons.

He's like, they just my religious, my convictions, my love of the Lord was so strong that I figured I'd sit in jail for the rest of my life. So Floyd's two young sons would have a nice murdering rapist father because that's the best thing for them to be around. I can't imagine. Because that's the best thing for them to be around. I can't imagine. Yeah. So during the cross-examination of this is a defense witness. This is an officer being cross-examined by the prosecution here. And this is an exchange here.

The question is, quote, to the officer, quote, were you present when Tom, during one of those interviews when he actually confronted when he was actually confronted with floyd uh they interviewed both of them at the same time at one point the police did tom and they brought tom and floyd into the same room sat him down said some questions what happened fellas um now i'm not a police we've discussed this i'm not an attorney you're not not an attorney. We're not lawyers. We're not journalists. We're not any of these things. We're certainly not police officers. I have seen enough television to know that that shit is not procedure.

The first fucking thing you do is split everybody up. Nobody gets to talk to anybody. Fine flaws. Inconsistencies. Fucking get a story from each of them and figure out where the fucking and then you got something to go on right you never get two people in the same room and go so fellas would have especially two brothers right you get two brothers they might be able to improv a bullshit right if you got us in the same room i'm sure we could figure we could fucking fool you i bet and we're

not even we didn't even grow up together i didn't even hurt anyone we didn't even hurt anyone. We didn't even hurt shit. So he says, this cop says he was. They said, explain to the jury what happens. Now, the cop says, quote, there was an agreement that was made during the course of the interview when I was interviewing Floyd Bledsoe that Tom would be brought in the interview room and at that time it would be Floyd, Tom, and I discussing the homicide of Camille. Oh, boy. What the fuck? Tom entered the room.

And the one thing that I noted quickly was that Tom got as far away from Floyd as he possibly could and put his back to the wall. The next thing that I noticed was that that Floyd was he just stared down at him more of an intimidation type factory saying Floyd stared at Tom and that I could tell Tom was very, very uneasy being in the room at that time. And they said to Tom's demeanor change compared to what it was before. at Tom and that I could tell Tom was very, very uneasy being in the room at that time. And they said, did Tom's demeanor change compared to what it was before? And the answer was the impression that I got from Tom Bledsoe was that at that point in time, he became strong.

I don't know how to explain it, but he challenged Floyd. He challenged Floyd in a way, in my opinion, that he was able to stand up for the first time in front of Floyd and tell him the truth and to state the truth. And they said, what did he say? And he said that Tom said that he wanted this cop to know the truth. He wanted everybody to know the truth that he fucked dogs and jerked off to porn. No, he said that he wanted everybody to know the truth that he wasn't going to hide the truth anymore.

And then he asked him what the truth was. And he said that he that Floyd Bledsoe killed Camille. Yeah, that's his truth. So that's that floyd bledsoe killed camille yeah that's his truth so that's that's what happened in the room sets me free he stood up and said it's all floyd and floyd didn't like jump up and rip his throat out right which you should do if someone accuses you of murder that you didn't do what motherfucker i didn't fucking kill any girl are you kidding me i didn't do this shit now uh the defense uh uh here which is this is a tough defense uh the defense insists that floyd was working at the time of the disappearance all he was doing was uh you know

buying shit for the farm milking cows doing all that sort of shit he couldn't have taken his brother's gun abducted the girl then returned the gun do all of that shit uh they talked about the uh the dairy a little bit in court here uh We won't get into the times and all that, but they do know that he was at Winchester Hardware to buy duct tape and returned alone around 5 p.m. The duct tape was for the farm, by the way. He was sent there to buy the duct tape and a sweatshirt. He also said that his wife, Zool's wife, the owner of the dairy,

saw Floyd begin the evening milking around 6.15 or 6.30 and that he called him from the barn around 11.30 to tell him that there was a cow not giving milk. They remember him being in the hardware store for 20 minutes. A detective testified that Floyd admitted to him in an informal conversation that he had once pulled into his trailer park before returning to work and then later on he denied that he ever said that he said i never went near the trailer i never saw camille i don't know shit now defense also questioned why another possible suspect

wasn't included uh who was uh they were saying well what about you know they said that uh a bloodhound and its trainer attempted to track camille's scent and the dog followed the scent toward an area where some other guy lives somewhere and he said that residents in the neighborhood were interviewed and they all they all thought it was a dead end and that's why they said it was just a false alarm on the dog that's why the dog wasn't taken to the dairy and uh the dog didn't do much for her, I guess, basically here. They also, as submitted into evidence, 35 photographs of the scene. Only one photograph shows Camille's T-shirt and bra were lifted, exposing her breasts. It was the opinion of the guy going over at the cop that the body was buried in that condition.

He also said that three 9mm shell casings were found at the burial scene and all that sort of thing. So, closing arguments here. Floyd's lawyer maintains his client was not gone from his job long enough to have killed and buried and then returned the gun and all that sort of shit. The prosecutor had a very he had a pretty succinct little closing. And at the end, he just said Floyd did it. And that was it. synced little closing and at the end he just said floyd did it and that was it uh so uh his summation was that uh camille was afraid to be alone with with with her with uh floyd floyd loved her and wanted her to know that uh wanted to know if she would if where he was she was going to live after

the divorce all that stuff we said here uh he admitted to two separate law enforcement officers on two separate occasions that he'd been at the trailer within minutes of her being dropped off. That was when they said her school bag was there. The young girl saw her school bag and her jacket, all that sort of shit. This all coincides with the Colonel Noble, the Army member of the Army, Bowhunter, him hearing the young woman scream the whole deal. hearing the young woman scream, the whole deal. They said that Bledsoe could have been finished with his chores at 10.30 p.m., where he received a phone call from Camille's mother saying she was going to the police. He told her not to.

They said he was absent from the dairy shortly after that. Then he picked his son up at 12.45. So they're saying that the evidence suggests that Cody witnessed Camille being shot and put in the ditch. So their their theory is that he picked his kids up at 12 uh fat went to where he had camille kept killed her dumped her in the with his son there killed her dumped her in the dump and then took his kid back to the babysitter clean as a whistle that's what that's the theory here that they're saying here that's their whole thing uh there's no theory on when he got the gun and all that just they said he could have got that earlier in the day or whatever uh now cody uh was uh uh cody was uh

only with him for that uh for that little time period and all that people saw the car whatever uh but also floyd informed his mother that he this thing that he knew tom didn't kill camille and then he attempted to blame his father now Now, the verdict is they go to, and this is still an interesting deliberation here. People just going, I don't like any of these fucking people in this whole family. Verdict, they come back. One of them fucked a cow, and the other one fucked a dog.

One fucked a dog, and I think the other one diddled a teenager. I don't like any of these damn people. The family's a bit much. It's a little weird. So, verdict here. First degree premeditated murder, aggravated kidnapping and aggravated indecent liberties. They find Floyd guilty of all of these charges here. Now, for sentencing on this, the county attorney asks the judge to impose the maximum sentence of life without the possibility of parole because the nature of the crimes and the relationship between him and the victim it's not like this was a random person this was somebody they were close

yeah this was someone he should have had compassion for never mind a fucking stranger this is even worse uh the the attorney said quote she lived with him he was responsible for her the most egregious uh offense floyd uh uh uh the most egregious offense flo Floyd. The most egregious offense, Floyd, Bledsoe committed while she was alive, while she was conscious of what was going on. He put the gun to the back of her head with her breasts exposed and executed her. That's rough when you're talking about a hoof. That sounds tough when people have your life in their hands and they say that. Wow. And a child with her breasts out and then he shot her.

A child. A ninth grader. This is a ninth grader. This is insanity. Unbelievable. This is a freshman. This is a child with her breath a child and he shot her child a ninth grader this is a ninth grader this is insanity this is a freshman this is a child uh they uh also when requesting the uh the maximum sentence the prosecutor told the judge that he didn't believe that floyd could ever be rehabilitated and that this was the only way to protect other victims was to have him life without parole he put away he says quote 25 years from now there's going to be another camille arfman other victims can end up in a trash dump with a bullet in the back of their head uh and three in their chest uh now uh tommy arfman who's

the mother of camille this is camille's mother. She addressed the court before the sentencing. She said that her life since her daughter's death has been a nightmare that she can't wake up from and asks for simple justice. She said, quote, Camille got life. I think he should get life. She can't get out of that grave. I don't think he should walk out of that jail alive. We owe that to her and to every other kid which sounds pretty damn good here uh bledsoe proclaimed his innocence to the court uh more he said quote this is his they said would you have anything to say for yourself before sentencing when they usually say something that is anything of redeeming quality for your for your character he says quote first of all i'd like to say that

i didn't do it which is the worst thing you say to the judge. Even if he didn't do it, that's not to figure out a way to be tactful about it. He said he also disputed several of the prosecution's trial arguments at sentencing. Prosecutor got this wrong. When the fuck did I get the gun? He went through his case that he's been talking about forever here. He questioned. This is all in his. Do you have anything to say for yourself?

He questioned how the prosecution proved he was able to commit the kidnapping within a certain time frame. He said, quote, if Vanderbilt, who's the prosecutor, can show me where this two hours of unaccountable time is, I'll just sit down and shut up and take the time. That's what he said. Not the best thing to say. No, that's a challenge. Yeah, and they're going to go, well, either way, you're going to do that. So, I mean, it's a challenge. Yeah, and they're going to go, well, either way, you're going to do that. So, I mean, it's not like he also asked why a prosecutorial witness who testified that he heard a woman screaming in the woods did not also hear his noisy truck. Well, a scream carries a lot longer distance in the deal.

But he said, yeah, you would have heard my noisy truck if she was screaming, like they said. Floyd also, they said, offered little insight into the identity of the murderer. He said, quote, Tom Bledsoe, my brother, why he did this, I don't know. What he's done, I don't know. He just said a lot of I don't knows. Why he did it, I don't know. What he's done, I don't know. I don't know what happened.

Don't ask me, because I don't know. I don't know a lot. Remember I said, yes, no, I don't know. I'm a lot of, the answer in the end is I don't know. Heavy on I don't know. I'm very, very heavy on the I don't know. I don't know a lot. Remember I said yes, no, I don't know. I'm a lot of, the answer in the end is I don't know. Heavy on I don't know. I'm very, very heavy on the I don't know. So the judge ends up here in a, you sir may fuck off. He gets life in prison for this murder here.

Is handed down to sentences of 155 months for aggravated kidnapping, 41 months for aggravated indecent liberties with a child, and life for the murder. He will be eligible for parole after 25 years. Which puts him at pretty goddamn close. Which puts him at 50. But it's pretty close to today. It's pretty close to today.

It's only six, eight years away. Well, we'll talk about it here. Post-sentencing, the mother said that she didn't think that the sentence was enough. The mother of Camille, obviously. She said, quote, personally, I want to see people who do that fry. So she wants to see Tom Fry here. Now, he appeals, obviously. This is a stiff sentence.

You've got to appeal that shit. He appeals on lack of evidence. Obviously, this is a stiff sentence. You got to appeal that shit. He appeals on lack of evidence. He argues that the state only had the testimony of his brother, Tom, to take the case, quote, beyond mere speculation that he was involved. He also says that a murder conviction must be grounded on something said there was a doctor who was found guilty of attempted murder of one patient. And basically, it's so weird, man.

It's I don't know. The way he's comparing shit, his legal team, it doesn't quite add up. He's comparing a doctor's case of a man like killing a patient by accident. And he's trying to bring's case of a man like killing a patient by accident and he's trying to bring that up in his i get if he's trying to make a legal point but it's still a it seems like a stretched legal point just from my point of view but then again i'm not an attorney so what the fuck do i know you either no i'm not you no shit it's just i'm surprised you stop i know you stopped i was really thinking about it it's tough i was thinking really hard on it you were i i mean you

were you were at harvard law for a while and i said it was tough for you and i remember you were just like you know that too trying to do this uh you know i'm trying i got i got i got a band i'm doing comedy you had a lot of stuff going on i'm dating that princess you were really working a lot so it's fine uh he said uh also the jury uh the the in the the way the appeals court says here, that the jury heard Tom's testimony. Floyd didn't testify. The case was tried and argued to the jury primarily as a contest of Tom's credibility. The jury believed Tom. This is what it was entitled to do.

Bledsoe, Floyd, essentially asks us to reweigh our evidence. Our function is not to reweigh the evidence or to pass on the credibility of witnesses so they're saying fuck off on there he argues the kidnapping charge he's saying that uh wow he contends that even if there was sufficient evidence to support his murder conviction his conviction for aggravated kidnapping was not supported by a by uh sufficient evidence even though how else would he have got her there i think that's just logical evidence you would have had to have grabbed her and taken her there to kill her but he's saying she could have went voluntarily what the fuck do you know uh wow um

they said that uh the the following instruction was giving uh was given uh uh there's like five different things that have to be proven that they took or confined her by force, that the kidnapping was done with the intent to hold the person. A bunch of shit that's obviously kidnapping, basically, here. Floyd notes that at the close of the state's case,

the district judge commented that he had heard no evidence of kidnapping. However, the judge later denied Floyd's motion for a judgment of acquittal on the kidnapping charge so he says all of that according to the coroner it was likely that uh they said was shot and then thrown into the ditch and shot three more times and uh bledsoe argues that none of that evidence supports the theory that she was confined confined taken by force or moved until after her death.

Because the third one... Until after her death. I killed her before I kidnapped her. I kidnapped a corpse, which technically ain't kidnapping, it's just fucking with a corpse. It's different. It's different.

That's basically what he's saying here, which I don't know what he would have done with her at the other time. The investigators said that they concluded by the lack of physical evidence at the burial site, such as blood, that she was not shot in the head at the site. And Floyd argues that if the shot to the back of the head was first, it may have been fired suddenly when Camille was in a place that she had voluntarily accompanied her abductor. So she's saying, hey, he's saying, hey, whoever shot her in the back of the head, whether it had been me or Tom or whoever the fuck it was, whoever it was.

I mean, she could have went willingly, perfectly willingly along with that person. And then they shot her in the head. That doesn't mean they kidnapped her first. Wow. But she wasn't shot at the scene. So obviously she spent some time. He argues that there was no evidence of any kind concerning her uh the movements of her except that she wasn't at the trailer shortly after the bus dropped her off he points out that

if camille went willingly with the killer to another location there was no taking or confining and no evidence that she was uh there's no evidence in the trailer that she left unwillingly there's no struggle there's no anything like that uh they also the state observes that uh the colonel there the bow hunting colonel, heard a woman screaming. And they said that even if Camille was voluntarily with Bledsoe at the point of screaming, she was no longer acting with consent. So that's what they're saying. So also aggravated liberties with a child. Let's get into this quick here.

Very, very quick. Let's get into this quick here. Very, very quick. He argues, Floyd does, that the state failed to prove the elements of aggravated indecent liberties with a child beyond a reasonable doubt. He says that he asserts that there was no evidence to support a finding that Camille was alive during the alleged crime of indecent liberties with a child. Which is worse. His argument is, I might have fucked her when she was dead now right y'all

don't y'all can't prove that right what the fuck kind of argument is that to put out in court his two arguments are tom's a lot three arguments tom's a liar yeah she might have went with me to get shot in the head and i might have fucked her after she's dead those are that's now let me go right i get to go home now. What time? Hold on. When's the next? When's the bus leave out of this place?

The more y'all know. That's what that is. Wow. This is fucking insane here. They say that he says in his motion for a new trial, he argued there was no evidence to support aggravated indecent liberties conviction. They disagree. The court.

They said the Camille's T-shirt and bra were found pulled up above her breasts. A doctor, a forensic pathologist, concluded that the clothing was probably pulled up over her breasts before she was shot in the chest because of the location of the holes in the garments. He testified to raise the clothing to the position it was found. You'd have to get down to wherever it is and pull it up because it's up over the breast. I mean, it's really up and folded over the breast. So it wasn't just like pulled up a little.

It was pulled over. He said it's usually what we see when somebody is trying to move clothing rather than move a body. So, yeah, Tom also testified that Floyd had told him that Camille's shirt and bra were pulled up over her breasts. Tom said that he asked Bledsoe if she had raped or sexually abused him. And then we have the yes, no, I don't know, all of that shit. So they said that they could conclude beyond a reasonable doubt that he did commit indecent liberties. They also said that they admitted hearsay evidence because his son Cody didn't actually

testify. His son Cody's testimony came in through his wife, which he's two. So they said he had he says it was a violation of his constitutional rights and the whole deal. Also, the officer here. Oh, I'm sorry. We'll go back to this for one second. The statements about basically the Rose Bollinger. Also, there's statements that come in through a cop that he talks about statements that Rose Bollinger made.

And he's saying that that's that's hearsay, which I guess she can testify. But don't you also have the cop up there to say that that's what she told them? Right. And then she tells it, too. So then it's corroborated by she said them right and then she tells it too so then it's corroborated by she said it before and she's still saying it now you would hope so that's what i thought too uh that's i don't know i've watched a lot of trial shit uh they said defense council run into the record captain turner's written narrative report of his interview with rosa uh when a defendant opens up the subject on director or cross-examination, the state may develop this sort of thing.

So, yes, that's true. They say that's bullshit. Also, Floyd contends that the district court erred by allowing testimony that concerned a joint interview with Tom and Floyd. Remember the testimony we told you about the cops saying that Tom wanted to stay away from Floyd and Floyd looked like he was trying to intimidate him. He also says, quote, allowing an officer to give opinion testimony regarding the veracity of Tom's statements to the police. Because he was like, hey, they were both in there

and I believe Tom. But, I mean, the whole thing was about Tom's credibility. So you'd have to say, did you believe him when he said this? I would assume here. Bledsoe requested, Floyd did, that the state refrain from introducing evidence regarding polygraph tests and results. Now, at the hearing on the motion,

the parties agreed that the test should not be introduced because he had a wishy-washy polygraph test where it was inconclusive type of thing here. So they don't talk about that in court at all. Also, they say a review of the detective's testimony shows that although he testified that he was familiar with interviewing techniques that are helpful in determining whether a suspect is being truthful or deceptive, he was not vouching for Tom's credibility. Instead, the context shows that he referred to the truth according to Tom.

He was saying he thought Tom thought he was telling the truth, not Tom was telling the truth because I know the facts. Thus, the jury was presented with Tom's version of what happened and was left to weigh the credibility of his statements. They find no error affirmed. How's about fuck off, Floyd? So Floyd is going away. Now, November 2015.

November 2015. 16 years later. 16 years later. Floyd Bledsoe, he's serving a life sentence, obviously, for killing his sister-in-law. All of a sudden now, attorneys for the Project for Innocence and Post-Conviction Remedies at Kansas University released DNA evidence in late October showing semen found in Camille's body. And this semen likely belonged to not Floyd, but Tom. Really? But Tom.

Now, Tom, two weeks after this, is found dead from an apparent suicide in the parking lot of a Kansas Walmart. Holy shit on november 9th very soon after this now he was found tom was found with a bag over his head and his left arm uh bandaged from what authorities thought was likely a previous suicide attempt so he's been trying to kill himself for a while and he finally finally figured it out he went to walmart and he said this is as good a place as any. Unbelievable. Now, the captain of detectives here does not believe Tom's

suicide was a coincidence and his rationale is supported by three suicide notes Tom left behind. One addressed to his wife, one addressed to his parents, and the other addressed to, quote, whomever cares. One of them starts quote i

killed camille arfman on november 5th 1999 uh he said quote i had sex with her and killed her and then more dna evidence came out uh proving that it was definitely tom bledzoe seaman found inside camille also on her sock dna from floyd and from floyd's father but on their on her sock though yeah and they think that's because tom had sex with her on the father's bed on the parents bed and that's how any kind of dna from that man or some shit yes that's what it was it was contact dna now he killed himself like we said shortly after this series of suicide notes he said quote i sent an innocent man to prison the jefferson county police and county attorney jim vanderbilt made me do it i was told by vanderbilt to keep my mouth shut now i'm going to set things

right i killed camille arfman on november 5th 1999 i had sex with her and killed her i drove her up to the ditch where the family dumped trash and tried to convince her not to tell. I went to my truck and got my 9mm that was behind my seat. I pushed her to the ground and tried to scare her, but it failed and the gun went off behind her head. I might as well go ahead and say it. I raped and murdered a 14-year-old girl. I tried telling the truth, but no one would listen. I was told to keep my mouth shut. It tore me up doing it.

I would ask for forgiveness, but I know no one will come, not even from God. Floyd S. Bledsoe is an innocent man. Tom E. Bledsoe is the guilty one. Holy shit. So what's going on with Floyd? So Floyd's attorney at this point, Russell Ainsworth, for the past 16 years, called this, quote, the worst case of prosecutorial misconduct he's ever seen. He said, quote, one detective wrote a 37 page police report detailing every action he did and left out every conversation that Tom Bledsoe had with him. He also said, that's homicide 101. If you have a confession, it should be noted.

But fact but the fact that it is nowhere in the document is beyond suspicious. We know that Mike Hayes, who was involved in the beginning of the case representing Tom Bledsoe, told him he would take Tom Bledsoe off the hot seat and put Floyd on it. So this was they're saying all calculated by the state to force Tom to do this. So this was, they're saying, all calculated by the state to force Tom to do this. Floyd Bledsoe said investigators inexplicably turned their investigation toward him when he was like, what the fuck? I was being quoted in the paper as, you know, thanking people. So December 9th, 2015, attorneys with the Project for Innocence and Post-Conviction Remedies at the University of Kansas argue on Floyd's behalf that the new report showed sperm from Camille's body came from Tom Bledsoe. And on Tuesday, the county's top prosecutor did not dispute that and asked for Floyd Bledsoe's

conviction to be scrapped and the charges vacated. How about this? They said Floyd broke into a huge smile and the same judge who presided over his murder trial and the guy who sentenced him to life in prison said, quote, the defendant is to be released. So he was even he had to say, I fuck that one up. He said he was just didn't know what to do with himself. He said that he was longing for a steak. They've been in prison for 16 years.

I'd love a steak. And he said, I'd like to return to milking cows that he wants to do that he said and quote something peaceful and quiet for a while how about you just want and don't do shit i well let's talk about that he said quote it's all just barely sinking in uh which i don't fucking blame him uh he said he grappled he said it's all just sinking in and he just kind of was choking up and he said quote i can't change the past. This dude, holy shit, is he calm. I would be you. They would have to recuff me because I'd be like, I told you, motherfuckers, I'll kill you.

You fucking asshole. I'd be fucking trying to strangle the prosecutor. I'd be fucking calling the judge a cocksucker. You fucking hack cocksucker. Fuck you. Put me in jail for this now. I don't give a fuck anymore. You'd be the first guy that was ever released my kids are 18 you'd be the first guy released from prison in a hannibal

lector get him outside get him outside get him the fuck out i would lose my fucking mind uh yeah uh man this whole thing here uh and then there's a lawsuit 2016 yeah uh now in this lawsuit the first this is a weird thing the first theory put forth by tom in the suicide notes here is that uh he's the killer obviously and he him and the victim had consensual sex at tom's parents home where he was living uh they left the house and he asked her never to discuss the sexual encounter and he says in a quote that's when i found out she was 14 and I freaked out, which she knew she had to know. Yeah.

So I know maybe he was trying to just take a little bit off of himself here. That's sort of natural. He's taking a lot on. So to try to get a little off is normal, he said. And I freaked out. So I drove up to the ditch where the family jump trash was and I tried to convince her not to tell. He said everything was happening so fast. I couldn't think I went to my truck to where the family jump trash was, and I tried to convince her not to tell.

He said everything was happening so fast I couldn't think. I went to my truck to get my nine millimeter that was behind the seat, pushed her to the ground, tried to scare her, but it failed. And when the gun went off behind her head, it was an accident. I didn't mean to kill her. So another thing here, there's another theory here put forth by Floyd in a lawsuit. He alleges that Jim Woods, who's a KBI agent who investigated the murder and other law enforcement evidence officers, quote, withheld their documentation of Tom's detailed confession that he tried to have sex with Camille in his truck, that she had laughed and that he had shot her. Is that something he said that there had been talked about? her because that's something he said that there had been talked about. So they said that there's reason there are reasons to doubt Tom's suicide.

No details because he knew the victim. He knew that it was her sister in law, knew her for several years, attended church services, knew how old she was, didn't knew she wasn't 18. Put it that way. You know, he knew she wasn't of age. There was a gap. Yeah. Now, they also talk about this, though, that Tom had intellectual limitations, is what they call it, but nothing that was deep enough to not know her age.

He wasn't, you know, he was just not a bright guy, but not anything like that was, you know, this is Camille. Like, it wasn't anything like that. Hi, Camille. It was no shit like that. He may not be a bright man, but he knows what rape is. He knows what rape is, and he knows what underage is. They also said ballistic tests show the first gunshot that struck her was fired horizontally

to the back of her head. That was a contact injury. And they said the gun was pressed right against her head. And that would make a lot of sense. In the suicide note, he describes pushing her to the ground and the gun going off behind her head which would be at an angle uh but uh they said it was pretty horizontal which sounds like his other thing where he was in the truck she laughed tried to get out of the truck that would be a horizontal shot to the back of the neck so uh either way tom when his own admission

had the murder weapon in his truck and uh he had on on her back that led her to conclude that that led the coroner to conclude that she'd been dragged to the pile where she'd been found and circumstantial evidence on the whole theory. So, yeah. So December of 2016, he's out. Floyd's out. The lawsuit's going on. He's been out for a year. Think's out. Floyd's out. The lawsuit's going on. He's been out for a year. Think about that. He's been out for a year for raping and killing a teenager.

He went in jail when he was 25, Jimmy. He's fucking 41 now. His kids are adults. Cody is 18 years old. His wife has divorced him. He has nothing. Did she leave? Yeah, they were getting a divorce anyway. So she left. His kids are are now older he missed their entire lives and you can't now out

you can't pay and everybody thought you're a fucking rapist yeah monster imagine the shit he took in prison oh he's gonna go wander around a thousand person town where every time that somebody sees him yeah how many times he get punched in the mouth in prison for fucking nothing yeah for nothing for shit he didn't do. He's they interview him. I mean, I'd just be still screaming. I'd still be like, you motherfuckers are still here. I haven't shut up since then.

He says, quote, I'm very happy, which. Wow. He says, you know, I live every day trying to enjoy it. Every night I look out at the stars. That's his fucking thing here. He said over the past year, he was taken aback when he noticed how much things have changed since he was locked away. Imagine going to jail in 1999 and coming out in 2016.

Oh, God. In 2015. James, there's no tower there. There's no. Yeah. Our computer's all in the thing. It's all in the screen. Dude, imagine in 1999, we're talking primitive cell phone.

It doesn't even have cameras on them yet. Internet is a fucking modem. You're doing net zero and shit. You're doing video games. You went from Nintendo 64 to Xbox. Yeah. Well, no, the PlayStation one was out, but still fucking PlayStation three was out when he came out to Xbox one.

Now he was in jail for three PlayStations. That's a shitload. Four was out when he came out. He was in jail for three playstations that's a shitload that's a lot of jail four was out when he came out he was in jail for three whole fucking playstation releases that's too much goddamn jail that's a lot the whole world is different for christ's sake what the fuck is going on he's he's like a fucking black guy's president oh boy what happened jesus christ this is crazy maybe he liked that good friend i hope he did uh yeah he said uh quote this is crazy. Maybe he liked that. Good friend. I hope he did. Yeah, he said, quote, this is so funny. He said, everything's changed.

The simple things, quote, they got Bluetooth in the vehicles and all of that. So that's kind of nice. So he's happy with the changes there. He was at Sterling College where he lives in that area. And he has a girlfriend there that he met when he was in prison. He said, quote, we've known each other for about eight years she was a volunteer and then she got married moved away and then she got divorced then we found each other on facebook and we just started talking after six months we started dating nice good good thing for him uh for work uh he has a job working as an

installer for a heating and air condition he's doing hvac in lions kansas he says he'd quote does both commercial and residential installs so good for you the fuck out of the woods stays the five don't go near the woods and i don't know anything about guns no uh he said in his spare time he likes to travel um he says he's doing it uh he's giving speeches uh all around the country obviously from everyone from defense attorneys to judges. He says that he was going to the day they talked to him, he was going to give a speech to law students. He said, quote, This is the next generation coming up that's going to be deciding our courts running for office. These young people can be the change to stop the injustice.

And he tries to be that change, too. In 2018, he is fighting for wrongfully convicted people in kansas to get compensation good for him at this point they don't get any compensation in kansas none not they get the freedom that's it dick he says quote from simple tasks from the simple tasks of trying to find a place to live to how to find furniture how to get the stuff you need to survive imagine like his situation everybody's gone you've been in jail 16 years you don't you don't even know how to fucking you don't even know how to work a phone right like you know nothing you have no money and

you're plunked out on the street and they're like have a good one survive bitch get a job and figure out how do you even where do you go what do you do you don't know any you don't even know what what you gotta buy a dress nothing yeah you got so much shit you do? You don't know any. You don't even know what you got to buy a dress. Nothing. Yeah. You got so much shit you've got to buy. Yeah. He said that he said he had when he first got out of prison, he had to borrow clothes from his attorney.

His attorney brought him like, here's some shit I was going to give to Goodwill. You can have it instead because he didn't have any clothes. I worked out in this last night. Yeah. He had nothing. He said, quote, It's hard for people to comprehend what it's like to walk out after being labeled a murderer and a child molester, which holy shit. There's a bill before the Senate Judiciary Committee in Kansas that would help those wrongfully convicted be compensated and give them resources to start a new life. The attorney with the Innocence Project said, and this is fucked up, she says, and this is true, too.

Project said, and this is fucked up, she says, and this is true, too. Quote, ironically, they would have gotten more from the state of Kansas if they were guilty because they would have gotten $100 in gate money and would have gotten access to job training and mentorship programs. That's what they get. That's what they get. A hundred bucks. A hundred bucks, a fucking bus ticket home, and you can show up for this job training program.

But they don't even get the hundred bucks if you're Floyd. They just say, bye, and kick your ass out. He doesn't even have a hundred bucks. You don't belong here. You don at your Floyd. They just say, buy and kick your ass out. He doesn't even have $100. You don't belong here. You don't belong here. He just found out. Buy, have a good one. The bill says, the bill is for wrongfully convicted people can file a lawsuit in district

court after their release, and then a judge can grant them $80,000 per year they were incarcerated, which I think is fucking fair, at least. That's a good number. At least. Wrongfully convicted in jail i would say what do you think you're gonna make and then fucking times that by 10 yeah because it doesn't matter the pain and suffering of being in prison while your children are growing up is fucking incalculable you can't you can't get that back no there's no getting that back there's no getting your life back there's no getting you're from 25 to 41 back yeah that's a big window of where you should

be doing a lot of shit and when that 25 to 41 is so horribly tainted horribly you've been in prison labeled a child molester everybody in town knows that story not just the story they know the ins and the outs nobody likes you nobody supports you no holy is this all they know that you still did it yeah that's what i mean i think he did if it wasn't for detailed suicide notes from his brother this is the craziest fucking shit what the shit they arrest tom he says never mind they arrest floyd okay i guess floyd did it no he didn't it's fucking tom again this is the for 16 years his own fucking brother his own brother holy shit that's horrible it's fucking amazing well that's small town murder my christ we are sorry we could not bring that to you last week because obviously

that crazy ass story we really wanted to uh to wow uh to get into slightly more detail uh yeah our computer tried to do a Windows 10 update. We didn't ask it to. We didn't fucking tell it to. We just decided it was going to when I turned it on. And it fucked around for about an hour and a half. And then we figured out that our computer, which is a piece of shit that we bought for cheap because we were trying to get a studio going on our own here. We found out that that computer can't handle Windows 10.

So what does it do? It reverts back to Windows 7. Windows says, well, shit, we can't use 10. Let's go back to 7. Only what does Windows 10 do? It fucking deletes 7 is the first thing it does when it goes in. So then it had no operating system. Zero.

And it went to a black screen with a little start button that if you press on it, nothing would happen. And one icon, which was a recycle bin, that if you click on it, it said it doesn't recognize this whatever the fuck module or whatever the fuck it was. Horrible. And that's all it was. And there was nothing we could fucking do. We could have given, I guess, a half-assed hotel room road mic show. But fuck that, man. We wanted to give you a good show.

This story's too good. We didn't want to waste it. And we thought it was worth the extra weight and most people were really okay about it and they're fine uh we got a couple people that were kind of honestly pissy about it and uh i don't know why i don't know what the fuck you're talking about uh sorry i mean tough shit i don't know what to tell you what do you what do you create that's so scary good well it's we and how do you get to criticize others who didn't it's not only criticized do it i got a message calling me a liar calling me a fucking liar and my excuses and constantly small town murder i should we should just release it fortnightly and not really and i was like we've missed one week since june this was our first time

we've missed since june and that was intentional too like and then the thanks it just happened to come after we took thanksgiving off sorry you didn't have a free fucking show yeah i mean fuck dude we loved that we want to put the show out too we felt fucking terrible we didn't want jimmy came over here tired as fuck where we both had to travel the next day god damn hours i could have recorded a fucking show we could have done we could have done two shows in the time that we sat here so uh we we don't ever want to leave you yeah fucking liar if if you don't get a podcast believe me it's for a reason and you'll have that reason it's and we'll give you the reason we're super honest even if if fucking one of us overslept we'd be like we overslept we fucked up

we will tell you. Do we have no shame? We're comedians. We're comedians. We don't have any fucking shame. We'll tell you exactly what's up. Fucking liar. I'm a liar, man.

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Florida is all drivable. And just go. Wherever you live sucks. Come down and hang out with us there. So with that said, do all of that shit. Get on there. So with that said, do all of that shit. Get on there. Also, another thing you could do on there is you can be a hero. You can be a goddamn superstar hero producer like the people we're going to talk about right now.

And damn it, Jimmy, I would like you to hit me with it like a false murder charge. Right now, hit me with that list. False murder charge. Right now, hit me with that list. This week's executive producers, in no particular order of importance, are Michael Kennedy, Stephen Rood, Lisa Hewitt, Chrissy Ann Costaldi. Again, God damn it. Thank you. Thank you, Chrissy.

By the way, he's lying. He meticulously ranked them in order of importance to him. I mean, it took him an hour, so don't. If your backgrounds were looked into, it was a very, it's a process. Candace Kennedy, thank you so much, by the way, for all the gifts. Yeah, we appreciate it. Thank you. Carrie Clark, thank you very much by the way for all the guests yeah we appreciate it thank you carrie clark thank you very very much that was a very sweet gift uh jennifer lamb and leah egan who uh thank you so much we'll see her in boston hey awesome can't wait uh this week's

other producers are hunter perry scott wiles bill susinski uh nicoughn, Margie Kunze, who's been around forever. Oh, gosh, she's the best. We're not saying you're old. You've been with us forever. She's like Methuselah, this Margie boy. This Margie. What is she, 90, 100? Oh, goodness.

Christ almighty. How is she still alive? Stephanie Aigoa, Jennifer Levinson, Hannah Turley, Reagan, Reagan, Reagan Schalke, Schalke. No, itagan reagan reagan shalke show shockley no it's shalkely shout shackle reagan reagan reagan you're terrific thank you under the sea fabrics again thank you sarah carter uh molly hewitt i think no that was lisa hewitt so molly hewitt uh lauren dammit lauren demirath uh cammy yokum uh patricia grace paul ruist paul ruist is the man thank you paul you are a good dude we appreciate you casey hundle or handle uh alissa and barbara rouse uh jesse hartman who i know handsome as a motherfucker he already got his shout out

you told everyone how much you wanted to fucking blow him i think that was good enough for a shout out he looks like the guy that uh that uh uh fucked uh what's his name's wife in um god what's his name god you're giving me nothing to go on no you literally not even like you don't even have half of that equation just a guy who fucked another guy's wife could be anybody is it a long game a long-came poly? It is a long-came poly. Okay. He banged the chick from Will and Grace. Okay, okay, fair enough. It looks like him. Fair, okay. Good for you, Jesse.

Hey, nice job. Jessica Pilkington, Shalima Althaus, Crystal Lamb, Manj Senga over there in Europe. Manj, thanks, brother. Manj, you're a hell of a dude. Definitely. Amanda with no last name patrick hagerty uh ricky ricky fitzpatrick miranda light holder um uh martina uh lilu liluanga oh martina yeah it's our girl i'm not gonna say her last name she's martina she's martina we love thank you uh

katherine uh katherine colada uh jennifer's uh shit what have i done? Jennifer, quote, shit, what have I done? Sapienza? Sapienza. That's what it is. That's a P or F. Is that an F? Sapienza? Jennifer, you're amazing.

Hey, paisan. Good job, Jennifer. Stephen Crumley, Greg Stevens, Stephen Clark, Gary Howard, who also sent a gift. Thank you, Gary. Thank you. Matthew Dietrich, Tegan Bailey, Lindsay Rustan, Ashley Vio. She's been around for so long. Thank you, Ashley. to gift thank you gary thank you matt matthew dietrich tegan bailey uh lindsey roosten uh or rustan uh ashley vo she's fucking she's been around for so thank you ashley you're so nice to us we appreciate it uh trevor j atkins uh kim jisu uh tyler sheets sarah hines uh rachel nieves

or neves uh justin miller around every goddamn week yeah thank you justin uh taryn fryer elizabeth farrell bryant tool dr greggles uh sierra mcgillivary mcgillivary fucking mcgillivary mcgillivary your mouth just didn't want to make that noise uh chrissy uh corbiel uh blaine uh with no last name justin burn rachel no yes rachel kiskaden i just argued with my head yes fuck and my eyes william northcutt uh cindy cindy oak no sydney oaks that's what that is sydney it's a c-y-d-i yeah that's why it fucked me uh sydney oaks uh james fraker yeah that's a dude down in la.A. Oh, yeah, yeah. Cool. Thank you. Zach Martin. Jerry Hutton. Wilson FX LLC. Julie Bailey.

No, Emil. Emil Svenrup. That's a tough one. That's Emil. It's Emil. Hey, Emil. How you doing? Tim Maney.

John Watson. Tiffany Gonzalez. Michael Heidner. Fai Yanez. I think that's right. Mariah Menhut. Hey, Mariah, thank you, Mariah, Katmandu Real Estate, Carrie Gage, Erica Green, Raymond Briggs, Kirstie Flatjord, Flitchjord, I don't know, it's fucking Swiss, right?

They'll say it fast. Just do a real quick... Flitchjord, that's her, that's her. Kirstie, thank you. Thank you. just do a real short that's there that's kirstie thank you thank you jessica christensen mark morgan elliott renee mccauley kelly uh telena john jensen oh that's telene i don't think telene is her name that she goes on facebook jensen i recognize and i think it's different i'm not sure that's a i'm a dope uh jennifer riddicott uh ross heington, Ariana Folsom. Thank you, Ariana. Cody Leversey.

Yeah. Yes. Jamie Joubert. Jamie Joubert. It's spelled different. That's why I giggle. Christopher Battaglia, Nicole Rivas, Junior Perry, Jamie Sullivan, Peyton Meadows, Jordan Seawert.

And this was two weeks, so it's a little bit more. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's all good. Thank you, guys. Nicola Gaskin, Jessica Ivory. No, Lowry. What am I doing? Liz Nice Slice Smith.

She was up there in Minnesota. Thank you. Thank you. Delaney Inman, Jacinda Minor, Josh Smith, Jared Waters, Kevin Wilson, Sean Wickham, Maggie L., Veronica Wolflover. What? No. Wolflover? Wolflova. Wolf lova wolf lova okay well thank you

veronica with a k that's a fucks me every time krista zachman ryan goldbeck uh amanda brustad yes uh danielle uh danielle bellucci but i think that's a dude i think it's daniel yeah it's daniel we've gone over this before yeah sorry danusi. Sorry, Daniel. Sorry, man. I'm an idiot. Charlene Zamler, Gisela Garbo... Fucking damn it. Gisela Gar... Gisela Garmo...

What a mess. Gisela Garmozia Dada Fleischer. Yes. Boom. Seven times the charm. Brian Price, Danielle Rucker Vieira, Rachel Robbins, Morgan Gibson, Patrick Mitchell, designed by Lucas, Natalie Martin Chinch. No, Martin Chich.

Martin and then Chich. Okay. Martin Chich. This is difficult. Jamie Sullivan, Indiana Quilon, Kaina Jams? Kaina Jams. I think that's right. It's probably Kaina Junis or Janice.

Kaina Janice. Okay. I think that's right. There we go. Zach Stevens, Katie Polis, Amy Grake, Grace Eccles, Isaac Stemple, Paul Landis, Mary McKenzie, Laughton, no, Lawton, Lawton Melmop. That's what it is. Mike Miller, Emily Rose.

Emily Rose, I think that's the gal up in New Hampshire. I think that's her. Matthew Waller, Delaney Trotter, Justice Byrne, David Calvert, Chris Norris, Janae Content, Patty Vincent, Beth Charlton or Carlton rachel fake or i think that's right uh core florist katherine hardwick danny way walter esterby and lee stevens you guys are amazing thank you thank you folks so much honestly jesus christ we can't do it without we can't do it we we complain that one person bitch but the most of you were like, totally cool. We get it. Like, you guys, we know.

We figure after all these episodes, after almost 250 podcast episodes of both podcasts, you can count on us that we're trying. We're doing our damnedest. We're really trying our best. We don't put out shit product. We really try to make it top notch and as much as we can. So thank you for that. What if somebody wanted to tell you you're top-notch, Jimmy? How could they do it?

You can find me at WismanSucks, W-H-I-S-M-A-N-S-U-C-K-S, on Twitter, Instagram, and Snapchat. It really is, it's something. When you hear something about somebody's life that's so goddamn personal, it's really nice when you

tell us the ins and outs of what this means to you. So thanks. I appreciate it. How can they tell you, James? You can find me at JimmyPIsFunny on Twitter and all that shit there. Copy and paste my last name from the show description if you want to find me on Instagram, because that's at JamesPetrogallo. And if you want to just look up whatever the fuck do that and shit on our website and all that

and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It it doesn't matter this was a fucking crazy episode ridiculous story how crazy of a story how have we not heard this story that should that should be much more popular it should be everywhere it is nowhere like it's crazy i couldn't believe how little this fucking story was covered i don't know buy it just because he was whacking did they i don't know he's got to be telling the truth he told us about the dog he just fucking dogs he told us about the dog so so he's clearly telling the truth this is crazy but we'll have more and not even until next week until tomorrow yes uh where we will release another episode on friday so until tomorrow maybe he will he's a fucking liar. We will see you tomorrow. Bye.

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