Small Town Murder - #96 - The Dismount Is The Problem... in Sheridan, Wyoming

Episode Date: December 7, 2018

This week, in Sheridan, Wyoming, where an upper middle class town is shocked when something causes a man to become enraged, and confront a room mate, leading to physical altercations, and a body ending up under the floor boards! What could have caused such rage? You won't believe it, when you find out! That's just the beginning, as the excuses start, and the waters are muddied. It's a crazy!! Along the way, we find out why the South should be more like the Japanese, that a gallon of whiskey & stimulants might not be the best mix, and what restaurant welcomes people who are covered in human blood!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie Whisman New episodes every Thursday!!Please subscribe, rate, and review!Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!Head to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder!For merchandise: crimeinsports.threadless.comCheck out James and Jimmie's other show: Crime in Sports Follow us on social media!Facebook: facebook.com/smalltownpodInstagram: instagram.com/smalltownmurderTwitter: twitter.com/MurderSmall Contact the show: [e-mail] See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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It doesn't matter wherever you are. I need you to shout loud. Shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, Jimmy. Let's go on a trip, shall we? We were in Kansas last week, which was odd. It was an odd. I mean, the fact that they let that happen.

If you didn't listen to the last episode that came out yesterday, wow, do you need to listen to that? Because that is absolutely insane. And the twist there, listen to the end. Don't stop and be like, okay, they caught him. It's fine. No, no, no, no, no. Keep listening because it is insane, that last twist. It is stupid.

It doesn't make any sense. How do you do that to somebody? It's a quintessential small town murder. It's really what the show's all about right there. I mean, it could happen somewhere else, but it feels like it belongs where it was. So this week, we're going to go to Wyoming. We're going to Sheridan, Wyoming, to the middle of nowhere in the plains there.

It's in north-central Wyoming, right at the top, right on the border. It's a rectangle, but it's a rectangular panhandle if one ever existed. It's just south of Montana. Put it that way. It's just right there by Montana. It's four south of Montana. Put it that way. It's just on the right there by Montana. It's four and a half hours to Cheyenne,

if you want to get to, I guess, a city, sort of. That's a capital, yes. Yeah, but I mean, you know, for statistical purposes, I guess. Two hours to Casper, Wyoming, if you want to be there, which is kind of on the way to Cheyenne. And two hours to Billings, Montana, which is kind of on the way to Cheyenne and two hours to Billings, Montana, which is the other direction. So 10 minutes from if there was a vortex, Jimmy, and that's the nowhere. And if you get sucked into it, you're in like the black,

just a void somewhere, just floating around the never world. It's 10 minutes from here. It's 10 minutes from the upside down. It's right. Yeah, it's exactly what it is. It's right on the way. Don't get sucked in. No, no, I know. I've lived here lived here my whole life don't worry about it like everybody knows to stay away from the east side of town because you'll get sucked into the vortex all right that's where we are basically uh sheridan county very creative sheridan wyoming and sheridan county zip code 82801 they really double down on sheridan they're like in sheridan but there's not a lot of other towns okay that's the thing about like these, these plain States.

Like they're not like, if you go to use as an example, cause I'm from there, but like if you go to New York between like, I'm from like South of Poughkeepsie now between there and the city, it's like an hour, but there's like 700 towns between there and there. Cause it's all connected basically here.

It's a town. And then just get your binoculars out and put your hand over your eyes and look toward the horizon because you don't even see the fucking next town because it's far so it's not a lot of towns there's only a few what's the county in new york city do you know because there's a bunch there's kings county there's queens county but there's not uh there's not there's not new york county for new york city and the state of new york is there no but it's it's there's, well, they name shit after their own things. Yeah, in other places they do that all over the place.

I hope there's no New York County. That happens. I really don't want there to be a New York County. There's a lot of counties. For some reason, I really hate that. I just don't like, I get New York City and whatever, because it's a big deal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I don't want New Mexico City and New Mexico and New Mexico County.

No, that's a little, that would be horrible. That's a little much, I think. In New York, it would kind of work because that's almost its own state because there's as much population there. Right. There's like fucking 25 Wyomings and not quite, but about. On Long Island. There's like 15 Wyomings in New York City crammed into an area of somebody's farm out in Wyoming, basically. So it is interesting.

It's ZIP 82801, area code 307. It's 10.95 square miles. So it's kind of spacious. Everything's fucking spacious in Wyoming. One thing they have, it's space. You can get it. There's plenty of it there. If you're feeling cramped and a little

claustrophobic this is a place to go because you will just feel like a speck in space at that point floating around something's orbit uh its motto town motto is just naturally yeah that's it i mean naturally which it's i mean i guess there's short and sweet nature. Shit is what they're getting at, which is fine. But I think you got to be a little more descriptive to let people. I prefer this one. It's a quote. It's in Wyoming. Yeah.

The state with no people in it. That one. It's a little wordier, but I think it's more effective. You're going to know where where you're going. It doesn't fit on the sign, probably. But I think if you're going to pass out literature, it's going to help a lot more. Natural. It's like somebody was like, you know what I'm going to do?

Naturally. One fucking word. One word. That's all we need. It's like a soda company was like, you know what? No, fuck all these slogans, man. One thing. Sugar.

Sugar. Fizz. Coca-Cola. Fizzily. Sugar. Fizzily. Now, the history of this town. The city was named after Philip Sheridan, who was, I know, one of your childhood heroes.

I can't tell you. Posters on the wall of him dunking. The amount of shirts I have of him. Him dunking over Confederate soldiers. Because he's a Union cavalry leader in the American Civil War. Also, Sheridan was the scene of a lot of... This place had a lot of fighting there's a lot of fighting here because this is where the cavalry fought off a shitload of native american

people and uh took their land and uh i'm sure shuttled them off to somewhere much worse that they didn't want to be uh they fought the sioux who were some bad sons of bitches to be fighting the uh they were tough the sioux uh the Cheyenne and the Crow Indian tribes as well. All three. All fighting in that area. Now, a little more about Philip Sheridan, Philip Henry Sheridan. He's a career United States Army officer. He basically was like Ulysses Grant's boy.

Oh. Like, he was his buddy. Yeah. And so he rose as Grant Rose, which was lucky for old phil sheridan over here because he attached himself to a pretty fucking decent star yeah didn't seem like they're probably just drinking buddies you know like oh fucking ulysses is a he's hammered again for christ's sake this fucking guy ulysses s grant yeah that's he's an s but it had no meaning that no i feel like he just did it because it was like it made him sound more stately. I think that's what it is.

I think it's he could have picked any letter. He could have picked any letter he wanted if he's going to make one. I don't know. He's already got enough fucking S's in his name is the way I'm looking. Way too many. He could have picked Q for some mystery. That's a good one. Quentin.

Fucking solid. X. Quincy. X is the shit. X would have been the dude. That's the one. If he was Ulysses X Grant, I'm sorry. He would have been president before.

Oh, God. General. Confederates would have just quit. Did they put X? Oh, shit. X is in charge? His signature? Yeah.

Just a big fucking X with Ulysses on one side of the X and Grant on the other. Just pow. You got a baller ass bill, though. He signed shit. Slash, slash slash bitches pow he throws the pen down take that robert e lee yeah yeah you got four sticks for your middle name yeah affamatics bitches pow tagging his shit up on the wall just x x fuck you with the s what a shit letter to take i don't know why but it got him the greatest bill it worked he got the 50

that's the coolest bill. It is a cool bill. That's a bill that Sinatra would throw at you for bringing him a drink. You know what I mean? Like, here you go, kid. It's not a hundred that's a little pretentious, I think you're being, but a 50's like, ooh, this is solid. Hundreds hacky and braggy. Yeah, a 50, it has weight when it hits

the table. It's a good one there. You want to be on the 50. So this guy,ilip sheridan hooked himself to a decent star even though they picked a shit middle initial it's still that's a good deal so as he rose so did sheridan he was uh he was uh first command of an infantry division in the western theater then the cavalry corps in the army of the potomac in the east. So he defeated Confederate forces in 1864 that were under General Jubal Early in the Shenandoah Valley, and he was one of the first practitioners of the scorched earth tactic,

which you might have heard of if you know anything about the Civil War, Sherman's March to the Sea, where he basically went through yeah just fucking burning it just hold them had a giant line of shit and he was collecting more as he went soldiers and defectors and fucking uh slaves would join the would join the once you got on the union trail there as long as you didn't hang out in the back and get picked off by by confederates you were uh you know that you were free at that point. Light it all up. And as they went, just nothing that could be of help to the enemy was the credo.

So it was any equipment, places, farms. If you had corn, that shit was taken or burned. Wheat, you name it. It was taken, burned, slashed, fucking destroyed. Anything to get you to tomorrow. Yeah, it was just fuck this. It was destroy their will to fucking continue was what it was. Leave them all one bullet to solve the problem.

A cruel fucking thing, but it worked. I mean, if you're going to talk about whatever, I mean, southern people can be angry about it, obviously, and that they still are, I believe. I think that's still what's going on. If you wonder what the hell's going on down there, that's what's going on down there. I feel like they're still mad about that. They got whipped solid. But, I mean, just take a lesson from the Japanese.

Take an L and fucking take it. Just take a fucking L. You think that was bad? They burned your farms down? We incinerated their children. And they were like, not to do a bad japanese impression but they were like good job right you win you win we did it played well played thank you very much we're fucking you know this is that's it my ancestry is uh uh confederate through and through

and they died in yankee internment camps in new york in upstate New York of disinterest. And God damn it, they probably deserved it. I give them credit for fighting for what they believe in, but I mean, you did it wrong. My family, by that time, in the 1800s, was like dragging donkeys around somewhere in Italy and nowhere near any of these places. There was no CNN to tell them what's going on. They had no idea. They were just dragging a donkey and saying, Mahou? I don't know. What do they do that?

I don't know. They fight over what? Why do you pick S? He could have picked any letter he wants. He picked the S. I don't understand. Why do you do that? Oh, why?

Should have asked in I-Time. They would have told you X. I don't know. Why you pick that letter? You pick any letter you want. You should make a bigger slash. A slash. So much better.

X. And it sounds exactly the same. You make a bigger X and then you have a sex with the ladies, all of them. You say, you like that? Oh, you come here. And that's what you do. Yes, we are like that all over there, especially the ones over there. Trust me.

I'm sure of it. Italian guys over there, watch out. I'm sure of it. Italian guys over there, watch out. Ladies go over there, they're so nice. No, no, they're not nice. They're trying to get you naked. They want to have sex with you in gross ways. So, scorched earth for Sheridan, and the residents of him doing this, that he did it to, the victims, I guess you could say, called it, quote, the burning, which sounds like the VD plague is coming.

The burning. They came and they burned. So in 1865, his cavalry was one of the ones pursuing Robert E. Lee and was one of the instrumental ones of the forces that kind of cornered him and forced the surrender at appomattox uh type of deal so i didn't kill him though right no no robert e lee came to the table him and grant had a big conversation and you know showed them showed each other pictures of their grandkids and they jerked each other off they did robert e lee gave him his sword and the whole deal like it was a big like a big formal presentation he took an l robert e lee took it out he came and he said you know what good fuck well was a big like a big formal presentation he took an l robert e lee took it out he came and he said you know what good fuck well played he was like a football coach at the

end of the game he shook hands and he goes man you're quarterback good game plan and he really knows what he's doing and blah blah blah and let's have a good one yeah and he went back and retired shit's on fire but whatever i mean well not all my shit's on fire all their shit's on fire my shit's okay i'm over here i'm I'm good. My wife's home. She's taking care of the rose bushes. Don't worry about us. The other people you should worry about. The burning.

I really got to go tell them sorry. I got to fuck. I fucked that up. So he was also later on, Sheridan fought, big time fought in the Indian Wars of the Great Plains, which is out here. And apparently he killed so many Indians that these people named a fucking town after him. So that tells you a lot. He was instrumental in the development of the protection of Yellowstone National Park.

And in 1883 was appointed general in chief of the U.S. Army. And in 1888 was promoted to the rank of general of the army under Grover Cleveland. So, yeah, he's a he's a famous army guy who they named it after now this valley was a uh staging area for general crooks campaign against the lakota and the cheyenne in 1876 so staging area to attack more indians and the lakotas they're fucking badasses like they're like notoriously some of the baddest people of all time and uh so yeah i don't know why you want to fight them but they did i think i'm blown away by i mean granted yeah you got guns and they have arrows yeah hatchets and they got some guns after a

while though yeah yeah people were like spaniards sold them to them right fucking anybody just anybody that needed money yeah i mean were theyen to the government you need fucking money sure i don't care but it's the west spaniards armed them down south correct probably i mean i don't know this has nothing to do with my home once they had guns though i i wouldn't want to fight those people no that is not bad at that point yeah well no they were they were when you're right you're pushing them off their own land yeah that's what i mean They have a lot to fight for. They have a lot to fight for. They're upset. Yeah, of course.

Fuck, man. That's going to be some cornered. Anybody cornered like that, they're going to be dangerous. So anyway, the U.S. Army at this point, over the next two years after 1876, forced all the tribes onto reservations, of course. And then, quote, this is from their town website, quote, opening northern Wyoming to settlers. Just wash that blood on off the ground. That's fine.

You don't need to worry. Don't worry about where that came from. No, that was just wash it on off. Nice place, right? It's open for settling now. Dear settlers, we are open. We're open uh trapper came by a guy named george mandel built a cabin in a post office and kind of made himself king shit of uh the town yeah he's just walking around pretending he was he uh he he decided not to stay this guy and then

he sold 40 acres of land to a guy named john laux who paid listen to this 40 acres of land to a guy named John Laux who paid, listen to this, 40 acres of land, a cabin, and a post office 50 bucks. Deal. That's fucking great. Wow. What a steal, man. That's awesome. You can barely mail a letter now for 50 bucks. That's amazing. Jesus Christ. For shipping on something, that's a lot.

50 bucks? That's amazing. There's a post office there. I mean, Christ Almighty. I don't know what his sorting system was like, but still, it's a building. You can't buy keys to that house for 50 bucks, man? That's amazing. There's a post office there. I mean, Christ almighty. I don't know what his sorting system was like, but still, it's a building. You can't buy keys to that house for 50 bucks. No, no, no, no, no. One evening here in the spring, this is so stupid, in the spring of 1882, John Laux, he sat on a hill above Goose Creek. This is how the town website lays it out.

Sat on a hill above Goose Creek and envisioned a town laid out in a valley below him. He went to his cabin and sketched out the town site, giving it the name Sheridan in honor of the general he had served under. Laux then hired Jack Dow of Bighorn to survey the town and registered the plat in the Cheyenne land office and said, this is so much better without any of those damn Indians here. It's probably what he said. He pictured he's like, once we get rid of them yeah we'll just uh jesus is that how that works you just sketch it and go we got a town guy well then he just pretended he he served as the first postmaster of the town because fuck it i'm it's my town i guess i own it all and then after that they in 1884 they just they incorporated sheridan had a mayor and he's

like guess i'm the first mayor he just like took off his post office hat and put on his big top hat mayor hat tired of wearing that dumb ass uniform yeah he was like he was like can i can i mail that for you terrific and then he was like hello there and he like changed his voice and put a top hat on what business will shall you be conducting in our town today? And like, oh, no, I still have my my post office shorts on. Sorry. I'm fucking uniform. I still have my bestriped shorts upon me. So I apologize.

Giant safari hat and my pith helmet. I have a pith helmet and shorts that appear to be denim, but aren't. Strangely enough, and have a stripe down the side, not to mention my calf high black socks and my wonderful non-slippery uh mcdonald's worker black sneakers the uniform of a champion my shirt oh no no it shall remain untucked that's fine sure i look like robin williams and jumanji what the fuck is that outfit about poor bastards they need to update that they do i feel bad for them i really do poor people no wonder why they're fucking grumpy at the post office you look at what you're making them dress like here then put this stupid safari helmet on there you go asshole get out

there what the fuck is that look like the guitarist from acdc with a safari hat on no doors just driving around poor bastards so oh man this place so the first few decades of life around here was all about uh all about the bars and the pool hall pool halls and the brothels on main street it was basically deadwood which is pointless reference to make to you but it was goddamn deadwood and uh just a just a typical old West town that you think about with fucking brothels and girls trying to bring guys in while someone plays that do-do-do-do-do-do on the piano, that same song they play over and fucking over again. You know what I'm talking about.

All those pianos were tuned the same. They were. They all sounded the same. They all sounded terrible. It needed to be tuned. Right. Like they were out of key. Yeah.

This was all at the Sheraton Inn. That was the main hotspot. That was like the gem if you're a Deadwood fan. But not the Sheraton. No, no, no. Not the Sheraton Inn. William, this was Buffalo Bill Cody invested in the inn because he was getting famous at that point.

He used it as his headquarters during tryouts for the Wild West show. Oh. And local cowboys and cowgirls joined the show and traveled to Europe. Oh. So, I mean, you're some local middle of nowhere Wyoming and your kid's like, I'm going to join me the circus and travel to Europe. Like, what the fuck are you talking about? No, you're not.

He's buried in Colorado Springs. Let me get this straight. So you did a tryout at the brothel and now you're going to europe no you're staying home cowgirl sorry about that those fucking cowboy yeah i don't think so kids uh so by the 1910s here uh sheridan had the only long distance electric trolley in the state and had what they call this is the again the town website they really this is amazing had the only they say sheridan had the town website, they really, this is amazing, had the only, they say Sheridan had the only long distance trolley line in the state and a cosmopolitan population that included African Americans, Hispanics and many immigrants from Europe, Asia and the Middle East.

Cosmopolitan. Yeah. That's what that means. I believe that's translated that is uh rich white for only a few blacks yeah that's only a few black people that would be cosmopolitan and then when it was too many as they would put it then they'd say it's not so cosmopolitan anymore that everyone here is black because i feel like a rich i don't think the rich white people would have been down with that but when there's a couple it's fucking fucking kitschy, I feel like, for them.

They're like, oh, look, it's like a knick-knack. It's a shabby shink around here. Oh, look, an Asian. Can you see that, honey? They got him, too. Whoa, look at that. Come on, kids, look, an Asian. Look at him.

Oh, wow. They have him. No, no, they're just going to put him in the mine. Yeah, no, they built the railroad already, so we're going to shove him into the ground. No, no, that's what they're there for the kids. No, they don't feel any pain. That's it's it's they're like plants. That's what they're telling the children. Very little oxygen. Yeah. Very little down there. That's that's that's what it is. That's why they're small. It's less oxygen. They need their lungs like the size of a pea, just tiny. We have long distance rail cars and

if it's a short distance just ride our blacks it's yeah we have lots of those well a couple we're cosmopolitan this isn't you know this isn't some fancy east coast town here it's ridiculous man years leading up to world war one uh the they had flour mills and shit like that uh but uh 1920 prohibition forced the brewery toy to produce soda pop after that and turned the town into just a black market hole for bootlegging speakeasies, prostitution, and illegal gambling. Once you take away that booze, people, they're medicated on the booze. You can fuck them a lot as long as they can have a few drinks at the end of the night.

Once you take that away, they're like, motherfucker to the guy i don't give a fuck i need a whore not paying my fucking taxes where's my kid i'm gonna kick him in the fucking face black people have string them to fight i don't give a fuck god damn it somebody get me a poker game let these people fucking yeah so that that happened there. Historically, in 1900, population was 1,559. And nowadays, it is 17,873, which is up 29% since 1990. Really? People are fleeing to the middle of nowhere there, I guess. Median age of this town is pretty close to normal.

It's about 38 and a half, even though there's a lot of old people. There's also the 25 to 34 age group is very high here, which is strange. I can't figure out exactly why. There's a lot of health care jobs and stuff like that, as we'll get into. Married population's a little higher, about 4% higher than the normal. Divorce rate's a little bit higher. Widowed rate's a little bit higher. Widowed rates a little bit higher because there's some old people. Male and female, too. There is a lot more 53% female, which is usually old people

denoting old people. Race of this town, 90% white, a cosmopolitan 1.11% black. Very cosmopolitan, as they would say. That's what I'm saying. 0.99% Asian. So they couldn't Very cosmopolitan, as they would say. This is very rivaling Tombstone. That's what I'm saying.

0.99% Asian. So they could not hit the one threshold for the Asian population here. Native American, 1.08, which is about twice the normal there. And Hispanics are just over 5%. So it is fucking white basically it's excessively white uh 44.3 percent religious so uh less than the norm okay i kind of think wyoming might be one of those places where people like i don't know man they're just tired of people's shit if you like move to wyoming you're like moving there it's on purpose very different you're moving there because you're like i don't give a fuck about your bullshit and you're centralized anything i want to fucking be on my own plot of something and uh not be able

to see the next town because that's that's what wyoming feels like it feels like you're i don't know i don't want to stay on another planet, but it definitely feels like you're not connected to anything. You're definitely on your own, and if your car breaks down, you're probably going to die on the side of the road. That's how it feels like, which is weird. It's like Mars, kind of. This is it.

With pretty mountains and bison roaming free. It's weird as shit. I love the state. It's the most- It's gorgeous. It's beautiful. It really is beautiful. It really might be the most beautiful. I don't know about that, but it's weird as shit i love the state it's the most gorgeous it's beautiful it really might be the most beautiful i don't know about that but it's beautiful i've been to jackson hole and that

place is fucking rad i don't know and it was cold as shit it's not it's gorgeous no they're gorgeous it's pretty up there it just feels like it's very shining up there though like you're fucking trapped you're gonna eat yourself yeah you're gonna eat yourself you're gonna get stuck and you're gonna fucking need to gnaw your goddamn arm off and wander into town one-armed but waving because you're friendly still waving with one arm gone like oh shit what happened to him well you got that that other sleeve pinned up to your shoulder that's the thing i gotta do that to keep the cold out that's by the way i don't know if you guys know this i mean if you're not from the united states that's the wyoming state flag is a one-armed cowboy waving it's like a lone bison in the background a lone cowboy on a horse waving one arm with a sleeve pinned up it's very sad it's a striking he's a striking figure up on

that horse let me tell you something he's uh you feel his pain you feel it there isn't much that saddens me more uh like meeting somebody and there are that sleeve being pinned up that's so sad that's a really intimidating conversation yeah i'm sorry i don't fuck man something bad already and i haven't even said my name to you yeah and you're like did you look kind of caught off by a thresher did you get where you're born with those little tiny ones and you just pinned your sleeve up because you don't want to show? Like, what's the story? And I don't want to ask them because I feel bad. Are you the guy from the movie where you got pinned between the rocks?

Is that you? Yeah. Did you do that? So it's very weird. And this is from a guy that's missing a digit. Yeah. It's still. It's still.

Yeah. At least. You got to know. You're curious. I got the forearm. You're curious. That's fucking. So religion's here.

15% Catholic. uh older people probably too uh about five percent lds they're they're coming that's you know that's an open area snow to blend into you can't get away from them they're 0.0 jewish all right uh they're like i don't think so that lone cowboy i like both my arms have a good one uh 0.0 percent muslim uh voting wise 20 voted democrat in the last presidential election 70 voted republican and it is over nine percent independent which is more than we've seen it's doubled the most we've ever seen it's great nine that's it's you're different it's different up there so free thinkers it's just a different deal but that 70 is awfully daunting to

fuck with that's a lot yeah that's it those people i think the ones who voted independent wanted more conservative than the republicans had to offer i think that's what it was they're like who are they running over there and that what's that nazi party who that's right like i feel like they're like he isn't quite conservative enough for me. He lacks guns. All he's doing is grabbing them. I mean, he lacks guns, but when's the last time he shot somebody? I don't believe him. So I feel like it's one of those.

All he's doing is grabbing them. How about punching him in the pussy? That's right. That's right. What the hell's wrong with you? Jesus Christ. You weak. You got to give it a good shot.

So fucking bleeding hearts. So unemployment rates about four and a half here here which is low because you don't move there unless you have a job lined up i feel like i'm gonna move to the middle of nowhere and i bet there'll be work i don't know that doesn't happen uh median household income isn't bad uh nationally it's about 53 and a half thousand here it is almost 50 000 it's 49 and change so not too shabby but 14 make under 15 000 okay so that's that's living tough here uh there's a lot of health care jobs more than usual that's about all i can find that's kind of out of whack here food services too because it's a touristy you know come here get your picture taken with a statue of a cowboy type horseshit yeah uh cost of living, 100 being par average regular.

Here, overall, 105. And the high one is housing at 125. Median home cost is $234,400. But it's weird. They're all old houses. 23% of the houses were built before 1939, which is way higher than normal. Only 1% has been built since 2010. 1%?

Only 1%. So that's 1% since 2010. Very strange here. And if we've convinced you that, damn it, the only place for you that you can be is Sheridan, Wyoming, waving back at the one-armed cowboy, we have for you the Sheridan, Wyoming Real Estate Report. Your average two-bedroom rental here is about on par. It's about $1,300, which is a little higher than the average, but not too much.

Maybe that's the way to go because the houses are expensive. But they're all big and on some land. There's not a lot of 800-square-foot two-bedroom bungalows here. They're all kind of kind of bigger. I found a four and a half. I don't know what a half bedroom is, but this place claims to have a half bedroom. Is that one minus a closet? Well, it's such a fucked up house.

It might just be half a room fell off. Like literally it's four and a half bedroom, one and a half bath, 2696 square foot. It is rough. I'll bet it doesn't have a window. I bet it literally doesn't have a wall. There's no outside wall. It's kind of a patio, but if you put a bed on, it's got a half a bedroom. $131,900 for 2,700 square feet. It's rough.

It's rough. Found a five-bedroom, two-bath, 2,000 square foot house here for $230,000. Move-in ready. Very nice. It's all fine and dandy. Clean carpets and everything. And I found a four-bedroom, three-bath 2,376

square foot house here. Nice, nice neighborhood. Landscaping. Walk up, you know, the whole deal. Trees and bushes and shit. $466,000. It'll cost you to live nice there like that. It's going to cost. I like the idea, though.

It's not a bad idea. I found a resident review. Very odd. Most of them are positive here, by the way. They really like it. One I found here is, quote, don't move to Sheridan. Only for rich old people. Two stars.

Two. Not that bad, though. But there's some nice restaurants. Don't move there. But the old people seem to like it. I'll give them an extra star. And they're very nice, the old people. Things to do is the Sheridan YWO, like Wyoming, parade, rodeo parade.

It's known as, quote, they call it, quote, the most marvelous hometown parade ever, exclamation point. Marvelous. Marvelous. Get there for that. There's a pancake breakfast. Very exciting. Fucking gross. You know how i feel about pancakes i've discussed it on this show before i've eaten them and i don't mind them but a waffle is so much better nobody has ever had a hot pancake ever it's never happened ever it's never fucking happened by the's a good point. Why do they call them hotcakes? By the time you prepare it, it's wishful thinking.

By the time you prepare the pancake, you could just put some syrup on it super quick, take it five feet to where you're sitting down, pick up a fork, fucking ice cold. You can't eat it fast enough. You can't. Yeah, you've never melted butter on a pancake. It's like an old man trying to put a condom on. He's got, it's not going to, it's never going to man trying to put a condom on he's got it's not gonna it's never gonna line up it's not he doesn't have enough time that it takes to actually do it so it's

never gonna fucking lie it takes two you guys he's got two seconds it takes five sorry that's all there is to it that is incredible so fuck gross i just saw an old man with a hard dick trying to put it on it just went away quickly by the time he opened it up it's gone crime rate in this town old is not counting old men with their limp dicks that's not a crime as far as i know last time i checked anyway i'm not sure holy fuck crime right here property value property value property crime in this town is uh right on average uh in the rest of the country but violent crime murder rape robbery and, robbery, and assault, of course, can't forget assault, the Mount Rushmore of crime, is less than half the average.

It's super fucking low. This is like a pretty safe town. So I assume it's touristy, so there'd be a little thievery shit like that with crime maybe. But nobody's killing anybody here pretty much, except these people okay who did kill people obviously going to mount rushmore real quick remember i asked you i'd like to know who made that yeah it's a team of six people yeah made it's incredible and one of them founded the

kkk that yeah how well the founder of the kkk had to make a tribute to Abraham Lincoln. Yeah. That is fucking incredible. That is pretty incredible. You know, that's just the weirdest fact. That's the most fucking fascinating thing ever. Yeah. One of the.

Yeah, it is fascinating. That is kind of terrible. What a piece of shit that guy is. Yeah. He's a piece of shit. And he made this thing that's kind of weird. And we're amazed by it. And it's just kind of incredible that you could do that. but it's like why did we do that right like it's almost

like wow that's amazing why did we do that why do we have those why is that a thing i don't understand it we could have just built a bit i don't know but yeah and then he built something else too which is not it's pretty amazing it's just amazing for the wrong reasons i'm amazed all right it's fucking head shaking I'll tell you that much. Like, wow, the fuck is going on there? Jesus Christ. You say the same thing as looking at that mountain as you do when you look at the KKK. The fuck is going on here?

Yeah, what the fuck is happening? Did we? Wow. Jesus. Really? Why? Really? Really?

Whatever. Is this what we're going to do? Is this what we're going to spend our money? That's what we're going to do. Apparently're gonna spend our money that's what we're gonna do apparently so crosses and chisels and flamethrowers and uh roosevelt all right whatever it's fine teddy obviously yeah and i don't understand why he i get he's a present why did he earn his way up there because he's like the western outdoorsy guy yeah they look at him as the western outdoorsy plus he's super fucking aggressive maybe

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All right, here. Now, let's start out on January 15th, 2010. So time machine doesn't have to go back too far here. We're not too many shit. It's not even going to warm up. Not too much swirling around. The clocks are just a couple of turns and they're fine. It's a light breeze.

It's a light breeze. We're spinning very slowly going, whoa. So January 15, 2010, a woman walks into the Sheridan Police Department on that afternoon, middle of the afternoon. Now, right away, I'm sure it's not like this because there's 17,000 people. So they got to have a decent police force. They can't have like three guys who take shifts like, well, you're morning today. I don't know. Somebody's got to to do it they got to have a decent but i picture just a heavy set sheriff type yeah you know feet up on the desk with cowboy boots on hat pulled down yeah over the

eyes while like you know a cartoon comes in on the antenna screen what's got took a jail in the background with a guy yeah with like the bars he's got like a big key ring with all the keys and like the guy in the jail is trying to get to his dog to like fucking go get the keys for him i that's what i picture like you know playing in the background like the sheriff's from stranger things that's what i yeah yeah yeah like that but what 50 years earlier. Because for some reason, everything in Wyoming seems like it should be in the 30s or the 1880s, and it's dusty. And yeah, I don't know why. Even modern now, I feel like everyone's driving a 1955 truck. Very strange.

Felix the cat on TV. Yeah, he's a goddammit woman coming in here interrupting my huckleberry hound. What in the grape ape do you want? What in the Sigmund and the sea monster is going on in this son's of bitches? God damn it. What in the Hanna-Barbera do you want? What in the Hanna-Barbera is going on in this goddamn place? Those are the oldest cartoons I can think of from this side.

They're all before my time, those cartoons. I don't know any of them well what in the bulwinkle what in the rocky and bulwinkle is going on in this goddamn place interrupt now i gotta now i gotta pull my hat above my eyes now damn it take my feet off my desk you had a problem this lady does have a problem uh she has an issue her name is d hymes d-e-e-h-i-m-e-s uh d hymes uh she comes in and says hello sheriff i assume he lifts his hat up ma'am you know ma'am hold on i'm also a postal worker let me take my pith helmet off and put on my cowboy sheriff and hat sorry i own this whole town did i tell you? Excuse me, man.

Excuse me. It was just a state flag waving behind him, one-armed cowboy back there. That's what I pictured. So she has an interesting thing to report here. Not your everyday occurrence, I assume, for these people, being the violent crime rate is low. She comes in and says,

okay, I live in a trailer, this whole thing. First of all, let's tell you who lives in this trailer. Let's start out with that, okay? It's a trailer in Wyoming. It is Dee Himes, her boyfriend, Dennis David, which that is not a good name. I do not like that name. Dennis David? No.

David Dennis would be a much better name than Dennis David. I don't like that name at all. Because Dennis as a last name is much better than as a first name. It's not a good first name. No. Dennis is like what you name someone in a movie who you want people to think is an asshole. Right. Like Dennis the Menace is because, well, it rhymes with menace, number one.

But number two, he's supposed to be like a little shit. He's not supposed to be like a nice guy. Dennis on Always Sunny is supposed to be a dick. Right. And his name fits it. It just fits him perfectly. He's so good at it like a nice guy. Dennis on Always Sunny is supposed to be a dick. And his name fits it. It just fits him perfectly. He's so good at it. That guy's great. Oh, he's a fucking great actor, Glenn Howard.

And he's hilarious. But Dennis is an asshole. You're naming it like he's our asshole character. What do we name him? Dennis. That's the one. So Dennis is that. So her boyfriend, Dennis David, and also also living there they have a couple other people in

the trailer because you know a couple's not enough we gotta put more people into the mix here also is 28 year old sean osborne kind of a local fuck up yeah uh basically just kind of uh bounce bounces and just to fuck about this guy and then 42 year old gerald bloom who apparently doesn't have his life together that much either he's sharing a fucking living in a extra room in a trailer with these people so the guy named dennis you see that these are all men except for i mean obviously she lives with a dude she lives that's her boyfriend they're the couple and then people are like auxiliary of that it's never three women in a trailer not usually it's never they'll get their shit together and get a structure three

women that's why a guy that's got a house they figure it out one way or another absolutely yeah women are definitely yeah they're gonna they're not gonna be like let's all join in and we'll get this tin box together they're gonna find somewhere if we're gonna be resourceful and pool our money yeah let's get something with stuck let's get something with stucco or yeah they're gonna figure it out something with studs i want a stud in the wall how about that this is not when i hang a picture i don't want it all to be just i don't want to hear tin on the other side of that nail this isn't working out so these four people live in the trailer yeah so uh she shows up and also uh her boyfriend dennis david shows up with her but she is this she's the talker here she's the

voice she's the voice she goes in and says okay Sheriff, there you can pause Huckleberry Hound for one moment while I tell you there is a dead body underneath the trailer of my home where we're underneath it of our house, of our trailer, where me and my boyfriend live. Dead body under there. So I don't know. You might want to, you know know take a peek at that so the cop is interested i could picture him wiping the you know wiping the cold out of the wipe with one hand because obviously only sleeves pinned up on the other side he's like oh jesus hold on let

me wipe the cold out my what the hell's going on here so uh he does this uh she also she explains uh he said well how do you know who it is do you have an issue here she said okay here's what happened um osborne sean osborne who lives in the home 28 year old sean osborne who we talked about uh we i was sleeping she says me and my boyfriend dennis david here are sleeping i can't call him that dennis david dennison i'm gonna call him that's his new name david Dennison and myself. Isn't that so much better? Yeah, it is. David Dennison.

Dennison, it softens. It's a fine name. Softens that one. Yeah, David Dennison. That's a good name. I trust that guy. Yeah. He's like an attorney I hire.

He can have my money. Yeah, yeah. David Dennison. David Dennison. If you're out there, David Dennison, we're open to business opportunities. I'll invest with you. i'll invest with you we'll invest with you so d and david were asleep in bed and what happened was osborne sean osborne burst into our room in the morning here and uh and just shook us awake and said i'll wake up

y'all wake up quick and they were like what what the fuck's going on he goes yeah i want you know gerald from the other room you know i killed him oh my god they're like huh what the fuck are you talking about wake me up no that is i need dude i don't even want to hear good news for 20 minutes i want rubbing on my shoulder i just want no news i want to stare i want to contemplate yeah that's why i don't even want that i want to contemplate my existence for 20 minutes and figure out if I want to do this again for another 24 hours. That's what I want to do. Hey, life's still happening.

If you hit me with bad news, that decision becomes much easier. And I don't want that. I can't have that. You know what I'm saying? I'm on the edge. So what I'm getting at here is, yeah, she is sure freaked out, awoken awoken to say hey by the way i killed our roommate no one wants to hear that shit you had to do it here hey y'all rent just went out yeah hey y'all remember how we used to pay a quarter each uh y'all gonna be it's gonna be a third now

by my math and i got a calculator on my watch here it It's pretty high tech. Third. It's a third now. So it's going to go up a little bit. Morning, y'all. Morning. I got good news and bad news. Every bill just went up. Good news is free bedroom now. It's open.

So that's good news. Storage or we could rent it out. Bad news. Rent's up by a third. Electric bill's going to be up a little bit. But the water should be down because there will be less showers. So it could work out in our favor. It should work out in our favor. We'll put it that way.

I'm not sure about it. But in the end, I think we're going to come out on top here. I think that's the smartest thing I've ever heard in my life. That was so brilliant. Everything's going up except water you know let's shout i don't know how many lights he'd be using in his room but i mean that'll probably stay you won't even notice i don't think the lights because we're gonna keep it have to keep it the same temperature obviously the water but the water he definitely going he ain't gonna

be flushing no toilets no more he ain't gonna be taking a shower i mean he didn't shower that much to begin with he has taken his last poor gerald bloom apparently has been killed is what he says uh so he said well come and look so she went okay which first of all i'm like i'll take your word for it have you notified anyone of this factor um he didn't say he's dead he said i killed him so that's a did you do the cops know have there been are we just leaving him there there's a lot of questions to ask i think at this point she goes to the room because she doesn't believe him she woke up and she's just got this dipshit who lives in her house going i killed gerald and she's like get the fuck out of

here you killed gerald what are you talking about seven o'clock in the morning nobody gets killed at seven o'clock in the morning right unless she shows she gets up she goes into the room sure as shit she goes i'll be a son of a bitch there he is lying on the floor yeah fucking dead as a doornail uh yeah so she she's having a bad morning this is the worst she's had no coffee nothing this is terrible uh she said that uh later on that morning now this is where i don't understand it she said she she jumps right to now later on he told me this and the cops got to be like what did you do like just go back to sleep like you just shrug your shoulders and say well i don't know i guess i gotta clean the kitchen like what the the fuck is happening here you did what yep there he is there he is apparently she just went back in the room and was like closed the door and was like i don't know he killed

gerald in there or something whatever i'm just what's on tv maybe she's trying to reset it just going to lay back down being like i'm gonna shut my eyes no this is back up this is all bullshit it's all this has to be a bad dream it's the same rent's the same water bill's fine it's all we can still pay it's fine uh instead uh she says that later on uh she was informed by mr osborne here that uh that uh he moved don't worry he's not on the floor in the bedroom because i mean that's in the way yeah no one wants a body in the bedroom trip on uh don't worry about that uh i went and took him and buried him under the trailer so we're we're cool we're good we're good now my man so she was like oh okay good and that's fine and went went about her business and that whole thing.

So literally, that's what happened. That's it. She didn't go. That wasn't what sent her to the cops. What? I killed Gerald Bloom. Doesn't send her to the cops or to anything. There he is.

Oh, shit. There's his body lying in my extra bedroom. Doesn't send her to the cops. Right. I, by the way, buried him. Not I took him and threw him in a swamp in the woods and i think there's alligators there i took him to a grizzly bear cave and shoved him inside none of that shit he literally was like yeah right under the trailer and that like it's a trailer

it can be moved so easily this is not a house where he's like i broke up the concrete dug an eight-foot hole buried him put the dirt back and then re-concreted it over looks perfect i even like put a date in from like the 70s. So it looked like it's original. I really fucking did it. None of that shit. He just went and just dug a little hole under the dirt and stuck him on in there. What the fuck?

What the fuck is that? So that doesn't send her to the police either. What sent her to the police finally was that that that afternoon she was awoken like 7 a.m. This is like seven hours later six hours later where she's like you know i don't know uh there was a guy coming over named john neal uh he was coming over and uh sean osborne told d that uh if neil was going to come over he said quote neil's going to be next oh my god so he's planning on now now he's just in a frenzy of killing well i killed what's like they took the booze away and he's like well fuck it i'm killing

everybody like that's what fucking happened to this guy and poker too and poker and everything so watch out later on it's gonna get messy in here you might want to stay in your room so that that apparently freaked her freak d and uh dav David Dennison out enough to where they said, you know what? Let's we should probably go to the cops because he killed the one roommate. The thought of him possibly killing more like he's he's killed one, killed our roommate. That's bad. Yeah, obviously. Now he's going to kill this guy.

We don't even know what the fuck he did to him. And who's to say we're next? I think was the thing like we at some point he's going to kill this guy. We don't even know what the fuck he did to him. And who's to say we're next, I think, was the thing. At some point, he's going to run out of people close by. At some point, he's going to want the big bedroom, and he's going to decide that he's willing to fucking kill for it, I think. So who knows? We better go to the goddamn police. So they go to the police. This ends up happening.

So obviously, based on this report, the cops want to go have a chat with this guy, I would imagine. So he's killed one. He wants to kill more. Apparently, allegedly, there's a body buried under the trailer. So, you know, this is a we have potential to go in and find something that's whatever and distressing and put the right guy away is what they're doing here. So they go to the trailer, the police uh which is amazing by the way this this the way this works out is incredible they go to the trailer they knock on the fucking door and they're like police okay uh sean who is inside just comes to they don't like go around the door they don't go around

the house like banging for 10 minutes and he won't answer the door. They're like, come on, Sean, rapping on the window with the flashlight going. We know you're in there. Come on out. They knock on the door, just Sheridan police, and he just opens the door. Hey, guys, how you doing? Literally just woke up, one-armed, obviously, wiping the cold out of his eye. Morning, y'all.

Morning. Just happy as can be. Totally fine. Problem is his clothes are covered in blood. Oh, my God. And his arms are, like, above his wrists, up his forearms are just stained with blood. What? He's clearly, he looks like he just came from a butcher shop and was like, it's ridiculous.

Like, he works in a slaughterhouse. He came to the door like that, answered the door for the cops. Hey, how's it going, guys? Certainly, Yosemite Sam is going on here. So they're like, can we come in? And he's like, yeah, sure. Come on in. Okay. So they're like, this is good for cops.

Everybody wants their job to be easier. Nobody wants her to be like, I have to go do do that now everyone wants it to all fall into place so so far you have witness saying this guy killed a guy and he's buried under the trailer so we assume there's a body under there not we come in covered in blood covered clothes fucking arms stained in blood everything so so far we're i feel like we're on to something you know what i mean i just feel like we're on to something we're warm we're warm okay so they walk around just doing like a plain sight you know plain view search kind of a thing check and they don't have to like they don't have to like look under the furniture or lift up the couch cushions or anything like that because in the sink is a big giant knife with a bunch of like diluted blood all around the sink and shit like that with like

every cleaning product in the house lined shit like that with like every cleaning product in the house lined up on the counter like he was experimenting evidence bingo yeah like this doesn't clean it too well i wonder if comet will take out blood oh look at that that's not bad but not off my arms apparently or my fucking murder pants what the fuck is going on here they have they have found a yahtzee so yeah they're, they're like, okay, diluted blood there. The blood all over shit, all over the counter of him trying to get it off his hand. If you're that bloody and there's blood everywhere, it's getting everywhere. And if you're not smart enough not to do this in the place you live, then you're probably not smart enough to clean up after it either.

I've had a nosebleed in my sink. It was like seven drops and it looked like my face exploded it looked like you were your throat was slit while you were brushing your teeth you're like oh my god it's everywhere from behind like you owed a colombian fucking cocaine cartel a shitload of money seven drops of blood and i couldn't get it to go down the sink i'm like why is the water still red yeah jesus christ oh by the way that knife ended up uh that belongs to sean yeah is this your knife sure is okay then so knife belongs to him it's not like from the you know cutting the big wooden block from the kitchen or anything like that it's it's his fucking knife so so far we're witness a body yeah covered in blood

murder weapon um okay this is looking good so far here pretty solid for police work not bad we need you know what we need now though this scene where was he killed we need some evidence to tie into that oh look in this bedroom big giant blood stains on the carpet in one of them well that's a that's that looks pretty good there not too shabby so they're like you know what everything else is checked out this looks pretty murdery yeah like all around i'm looking around it's it's murderish in here at least at the very least but it's there's something a little off uh what do you say we just check and see if maybe that body's there like that lady told us maybe maybe fuck it you know i feel like i got a hunch about this one so they go under the under into the crawl space underneath the trailer and holy shit sleeping

bag with gerald bloom inside of it obviously not alive right so uh hey bingo so they just hit the bingo right they got a murder weapon that's b6 body yeah we got a blood stain at the murder site oh and murderer who is covered in the victim's blood. Head to toe. Okay, then. I think that's all we need here. We're ready. They can pretty much just take him to a prison cell. They don't even need to take him to jail.

Peterson, slap some cuffs on that prisoner because I am the greatest investigator of all time. I mean, I really am. That's the thing. See, some people got to work hard for it because their brains ain't as sharp as mine. See, for me it looks like i'm just sitting around watching huckleberry hound but in reality in reality my mind is working it's like a steel trap gears are spinning and i'm coming up i'm solving cases i willed this to happen i willed it when we walked up to the trailer i said all everything's gonna be in here yeah and we're good so that's the thing is mainly about will. It's not about skill.

It's more about will. Ain't about skill. It's about will. I'm going to do seminars now across the country. Hey, book me on some shit across the country. I think I'm going to talk to other police officers. I got to get back to that blue dog. Less about skill.

More about will. And I will this to be the easiest murder slam dunk in the history of police work, because what in the fuck is going on? I'm a hero. You don't even need anything else like done, done small town murder. But no, there's more. The reasons and everything else. This is what the crazy part is. OK, so far we just see an idiot.

And how could anyone be so stupid? Well, let's find out. And a couple of things here, by the way, the autopsy reveals that Mr. Bloom here, Gerald Bloom died as a result of stab wounds to the neck, to the neck. And it's worse than that, as we'll talk about, because that's just the end result. Plural. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

There's many. And we'll talk about here now based. I love how they put this to in a court document. I love some things. I just have to put word for word because they're so funny. Quote, based upon the evidence found at the trailer home and the witness statements, the officers took Mr. Osborne to the police station to be interviewed. That's the most mild thing I've ever heard in my life. Based upon all this obvious shit that he killed somebody, they cuffed his ass, stuffed him into a car and been like, well, this is going to be fucking easy.

You dumb shit. And made fun of him all the way to the station for his inept fucking murdering you stupid bastard so what the fuck man so during this interview uh uh they tell they tell him uh what they know of so far they they because you know they always they try to get you to feel as fucked as possible we have all this stacked against you you might as well just admit it so they tell him you know, they always they try to get you to feel as fucked as possible. We have all this stacked against you. You might as well just admit it. So they tell him, you know, obviously we have witnesses to this and we interviewed them. So that's an issue.

We have just as much evidence as a fucking people could have. Yeah. I mean, you were there covered in blood. You're still covered. You're talking to us right now, covered in the victim's blood. So that's a problem for you. I feel you're the only person covered in their blood. That's a a thing uh they said maybe you want to tell your side of the story uh here so this fucking moron you want to know what this is over why he's so fucking angry about

everything and this is this is this is my favorite now we've heard some stupid fucking reasons for a murder in our in our in our realm here, but this might take the cake. Uh, he says, first of all, that some bitch owed me $20. Okay.

That's it. First of all, and last of all, $20. He owed me $20. That's the, that's the whole period. That's it.

And he, and he killed my little sister. None of that. Just, he owed me $20. Not, I could see if he killed his sister after he still owed him $20. That's fucked up at that point. Because, I mean, if somebody owes you money and they're killing your siblings, that's fucked up.

$20. $20. That's all he needed. $20. Pissed off about that. He says that they got into a fight and it went a little too far. And his exact statement is when they said look we have all these witness statements and shit he said you know what do you think about

that he said well quote pretty sure what everyone else said is what happened which not the best thing to say for yourself then he says that he got into a fight with gerald over 20 that he owed him and uh he said it quote went a little too far. A lot of too far. The understatement of the year, I'd say. A little too far. Stab wound to the neck buried in a crawl space under a trailer is way too far. My God. Then he says, well, I guess I should get an attorney. He said, quote, I'm in some deep shit, I know.

I guess I need to talk to a lawyer to figure out whether it's going to be for life or for 10 years. That's what he told the cops there's a vast uh vast difference between those two sir he's the most casual yeah completely caught murder suspect i've ever fucking heard in my life also maybe you should have talked to a lawyer uh maybe an hour ago before you said all those all that shit you just said is not good before you you said he owed me $20. And I'm sure what everyone else said is pretty much what happened. And it got a little out of control.

It got out of control. And that's what happened here now. Because they said, well, cops will do that, too. They'll say, like, I mean, you guys get in an argument. Maybe you got in a fight. Maybe you got out of control. And they owed you some money. He tried to maybe he thought he was pulling a weapon on you.

And he got scared. You never know. Self-defense. You're not capable. If it's you or or him it's got to be him sometimes it happens and then you go yeah we got in a fight and it got out but he was just like nah he owed me 20 dollars and i was pissed about so we got in a fight got a little out of control and went too far guess i'm fucked now there was no like excuse he just said i guess i'm in deep shit and he said whether it's going to be for life or 10 years i love love that one. What do you think it was? Sentence 10 to life, sir?

I think he thought like, ah, shit, you get one of them fancy manslaughter bids. One of them fancy involuntary manslaughter deals. I could be out of this bitch in 10 years. I could be home killing somebody else in a trailer in 10 years. Boy, this is going to be great. So at that point is when he uh he requested an attorney and the cops ended the interview because they were like we fucking got everything we need anyway he said he killed him he's covered in blood i think it's talk to an attorney all you want asshole

he's all yours let's do it so uh this point the state uh also has a forensic pathologist examine the body uh they confirm at this point we'll find find out how this happened, that Gerald Bloom had been both strangled around the neck and his throat had been slit twice. Two throat slits and stabbed in the neck at least four times. So that's a lot. That's three different deaths in one. So any of those are good. I feel like it's enough. And this is a lot of overkill for $20.

It's really a lot. He says that two of the pathologist says that two of the stab wounds involved what he would call significant force, like really tore right through there. They weren't just like a little like a little stab. It was like it was more of a rather than it was like a rageful stab you know like a poke stab like you owe me 20 stab you in the neck real fast take that man quick jab this was like a fucking it wasn't a rabbit punch it was a haymaker yeah this is a fucking haymaker gonna take some some arteries out with this fucking thing here. Meant for death. Meant for death.

Very good here. He also says that the knife that they found in the diluted blood and comet in his sink that he said belonged to him was consistent with both the stab wounds and the slitting. So that's a thing where with a lot of knives, maybe the stab wound would be consistent, but not the slit or whatever. But this knife was multipurpose. It was the Ginsu murder knife. It's a bad one.

The thing is, the infomercials for this are on very late at night, so you don't see it often. But it's very helpful. It can both stab and slit. You don't see that often in a knife. It's like a boning knife, like a fish boning knife. Hell of a feature. Yeah, it's very nice here. Now, the circuit court judge here is in charge of setting shit. He sets bond for Sean Osborne, who not no bail either.

Gives him a $150,000 bond, which honestly, he's killing over $20. So I feel like $150,000 is like $800 million to him. It doesn't matter. You know how many $20 I need? It's an awfully low amount, but for him, it may as well be the national debt. That's what I mean. I feel like if you're going, you know,

whatever, this would be like if you took somebody with $100 million in the NFL quarterback and you said $30 trillion. And they were like, I don't know how much that is. And, and he said, $30-catrillion. And they were like, I don't know how much that is. And like, it doesn't matter. No bond. That's what they did with him.

He may as well be in charge of paying back China. That's it, yeah. I feel like that, yeah. Can you pull that together? Sitting there in his prison orange outfit. I just super killed a man for 20 bucks. I killed a guy for it. Like, super killed him.

I know they got a trailer. Y'all put your trailer up. That's worth $17,000. prison orange outfit um i just super killed a man for 20 bucks like super killed hey i know they got a trail y'all put your trailer up what's that's worth 17 okay that's pretty close um i need more i feel i feel there's more i need it would be all the trailers of everyone he knows wouldn't get this guy bailed out of fucking jail he punches in 150 000 and deduct 17 and then looks the number he goes i thought it would be less yeah i thought it would be 17 seems like a lot them trailers are shitty i guess that's why women never live in them together damn it now i understand now i get it men will live together in trailers they don't give a shit they live in a fucking car together they don't care men won't even need a fucking bedroom

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So he's expected at this point to have to reappear in court, obviously, for a preliminary hearing to figure out what the fuck is going on and what he's being charged with and all that. I assume murder. And that's what it is. He is charged with first degree murder, as a of fact which is a big one that's not the one that gets you 10 years that's the the other one i believe is what he was yeah that's the other end of that that's not uh oh it's involuntary manslaughter you know it got out of hand right 20 i mean you know you could buy a lot with 20 you know that's plenty very boutique it's very

yes very cosmopolitan that's what the cop have said when he came to the door covered in blood. Very cosmopolitan. Wow. So when you're charged with a first degree murder of this sort, you must make a plea. And he does. He pleads not guilty by reason of mental illness or deficiency. So he's going for this approach. Now, you would just as an outsider looking in, you'd go,. So he's going for this approach.

Now, just as an outsider looking in, you'd go, yeah, he's probably pretty stupid based on his actions, but we'll find out exactly what he's going for because he's also going for an alcohol defense as well because we'll find out what his evening was like leading up to this whole thing. He'd been drinking quite a bit. We'll find out exactly how much but it's an it's an obscene amount like it's an absolutely monstrous like it's like a an 80s hair metal band amount of alcohol like just too much someone's gonna die

and have to be brought back to life like a comedy con yeah amount of alcohol like yeah a ridiculous first time feature in a crazy city like going nuts type of alcohol too much here uh so he enters that plea the district court orders him to be evaluated at the wyoming state hospital uh two different times the first time is to determine whether he was mentally fit to proceed at all uh in the whole thing or is he just a fucking wackadoo sure and then the second one was was to determine whether, due to mental illness or deficiency, he lacked the capacity at the time of the killing to appreciate the wrongfulness of his conduct or conform his conduct to the requirements of law, which is the legal terminology there.

So they're saying, they're trying to see if they can uh get him uh you know he's trying to get a mental uh uh pass on this on this one before it even starts a murder hall pass yeah just no he's way too fucking crazy that's what he's looking for right now uh basically so they don't get somebody that cannot appreciate the wrongfulness of murder i realize they yeah it happens i realize there's some somewhere they're not like people that you would normal like they're they're literally people who don't know where they are who think there's voices in their head and sees like hallucinations and maybe meet them is the wrong word i think it's observed yeah i'd love to stand through a window through a glass that

they can't see you yeah right partition yeah and just or like eyes in a painting oh yeah like a mona lisa and you just look through it you know back and forth my eyes are going back and forth you can't see that at all like that yeah that would be it's weird too because back in the day especially like 40s 50s 60s like they would just fucking that was a that was in they put a lot of people away that were murderers. Like there was a lot of people who are, quote, criminally insane. Yeah. And they put them in an institution. And then, oh, lo and behold, five years later, they're all better.

They're better. And they get out like that. Good. Now that happened all the time. Really? All the time back then. They have really tightened the standards of illegally, you know, too crazy to appreciate. They changed it to you have to be now

it's so tight it's that's what the that's what the the limits are you have to be so fucked up that you did you don't have the uh capacity to appreciate the wrongfulness of murder just sitting there with a finger going that's what i mean you have to be literally i thought i was on planet neptune and he was an alien and i was luke skywalker like you have to be literally, I thought I was on planet Neptune, and he was an alien, and I was Luke Skywalker. You have to have a crazy, and they have to believe that that's what you really fucking thought. Whereas before-

And still think that. Yeah. Before, if you were a rich family, and your son killed somebody, you'd just pay for a lawyer, and have the whole thing done, so they'd just put him in an institution for a few years, and then he'd get out in five years and you know you give him a new name and nobody would know that's how it was the 1940s white privilege is much better than today's oh well yeah it's awesome fucking kill people yeah that was fine yeah that was that was that was amazing that's the definition but that's what they used to rich people used to do that back in the day and now it's you have to

actually it's but still they get off on it but but you have to, it's a lot more narrow anyway. So the state hospital concludes that he is mentally fit to proceed and he did not lack the capacity to appreciate the wrongfulness of his conduct. So he was on planet Earth and knew that his name was Sean is what they're saying. Because that's really all that you need to do it because they say that uh they've you know tried 10 year olds as adults and said that they could appreciate the you know appreciate the wrongfulness and appreciate not that a 10 year old knows that's ridiculous by the way when they do that with kids i'm sorry if a child believes in if if someone believes in the easter bunny then they fall under they can't appreciate the wrongfulness of that they think a giant bunny brings them candy they don't

know how the world works. No. They don't understand what 50 years is. They don't understand that this person won't come back to life like in a fucking cartoon. They're children. I hate when they fucking do that. I hate when they do that. It's a bit much.

It's a bit ridiculous. And it's just silly. Remember when you were 12? Yeah. Not even 10? Yeah. You're a fucking idiot when you're 12. 10, I was real dumb.

10, I probably thought Santa Claus was a possibility still. I was probably like, you know what? It could happen. It could happen. And insanely gullible. Oh, God. You can talk me into fucking anything. Yeah, because you're 10.

Yeah. So into fucking anything when you're 10? When I was 10, I was just walking around with my dick out fucking anything. I didn't give a shit what happened. just said oh look at that i'm gonna fuck it all right uh at six i went to sea world and and they talked to you in a fucking anarka this is messed up they pulled me out of the crowd blowhole good now my cousin's real persuasive i ain't gonna lie no i'm sorry they pulled me as a child out of the crowd to feed the fucking whales oh no and uh and and and then they pulled like a fish out of a bucket and told me to step it on the put

it on the ground and stomp on it and and and i did it and like obliterated a fish on this and they go we were just kidding sir hold this well you were 10 what do they think on it i just explode you don't know you feel like maybe it's like a jewish wedding i don't fucking know you're married congratulations hey all right everybody's happy now what the fuck i just splattered a smelt for you maybe this maybe the whale is jewish and that's his tradition and you were trying to be culturally sensitive and then they grabbed like a whole bucket and like threw it all in its mouth and i was just like well why didn't you just have me do that shit because they can't like you as much as us because they can't

make me uh try to squish a whole bucket of fish that's all it would have been a mess time fucking you would have been a disaster fish guts all up your pant legs i walked around sea world with fish all over my leg because you don't do it with two feet. In the San Diego heat. One foot, you slam it, and then all inside your left leg is full of fish. Full of fucking rotting fish guts. Jesus Christ. I'm going to go see the dolphins like this next.

Orca-grade fish guts. That's not like sushi-grade either. It's orca krill. It's just terrible.ill yeah it's just some shit they found dug up so preliminary hearing for sean osborne here they do find there is enough evidence to proceed because we we detailed it it's a lot it's enough evidence to proceed like i said with him straight to prison like we don't even need a trial for you you're an idiot like this is they didn't even do use this as a law and order episode because it would have been five it would have been so fucking credits

dick wolf guilty dick somebody trips over the body in the bedroom like i'm calling the police and the or or buck comes over whoever the fuck is the guy i haven't watched law and order in 15 years some yeah a couple of these people come over and they look around and they go oh it's him and then they the trial's like four hours long and they convict him and they're like, yeah, he's an idiot. People are watching like that's definitely not the guy. That's the first person they're talking to. Dick Wolf. And then they spend the rest of the hour like previewing some new horseshit show they're coming out with.

You know what I mean? Law and Order fish stomping unit. This is law and order. We're going to give you 12 episodes this hour. They're all like this one. They're just quickies. There's a dead guy and they go, yeah, he's dead. And then they convict him very quickly.

And we don't even give you the details. We just insist he's dead. There's no need. You don't have to get that deep into it. There's no need. You don't have to get that deep into it. So at the trial, before the trial, Sean changes his plea to guilty due to mental defect to just plain old not guilty. Just going to go fucking not guilty on it.

Because crazy is a very narrow thing to prove. There's another way you can go about it with not guilty where you could try to basically say that you were so fucked up that you're not guilty because you couldn't appreciate the consequences of your actions. But you're not crazy. It's basically nowadays temporary insanity, which doesn't exist anymore, as we used to always hear as a thing, temporary insanity as a defense. Yeah, because that's what people used to get away with shit on all the time back in the day, is temporary. They went nuts, obviously.

For a second. For a second. He caught his wife in bed with another man of course he shot him in the head and they put him in an institution for two years and he'd be fine like it's it's fucking crazy so uh he there's another witness here that is damning worse than d hymes for him waking a woman up saying i killed our roommate come let me show it And then pointing at him, that's bad enough as it is. And then saying, I hit him under the floorboard or in the crawl space. This is worse. This is a guy who saw the entire night with this idiot. Oh, boy.

So his name is David Whitaker Fawcett is his name. Another David. Another David. Well, the other one was Dennis David. Oh, David Dennis. David Dennison. We changed it to David Dennison. David Dennison.

So this is David Whitaker Fawcett. Okay. So can I just call him Whitaker, please, for the love of Christ, so I don't have to hyphenate this asshole the whole time? So David Whitaker Fawcett said, because he's got a lot of testimony. So Whitaker, we'll just take that right away. He's the witness. He's the first witness and the most important witness. He's everything to them.

the witness he's the first witness and the most important witness he's everything to them uh he testifies that he and sean osborne had been drinking uh what he classifies as very heavily throughout the evening and early morning hours uh of the night so i mean they were just pounding it uh comes out later that sean got off work and was drinking like in the car on the way home already. So he started the moment his time card clanked down on his time card. He had a beer in his fucking hand. And then he proceeds from there, basically. Clank and the same. That's it. Clank.

All right. And he was it's Miller time and he's fucking in the car driving. So he said they drank all the way through the night. So he said they drank all the way through the night. Whitaker testifies that that as they drove to the trailer home after the bars closed. This was when Sean became agitated and started just talking shit the whole ride home. Apparently, he wouldn't shut the fuck up about people who owed him money, including Bloom, who is the most egregious of these cocksuckers,

because he owed him $20. How much money does he have out on the street? Where $20 is a lot. Like, is he just going home the whole time? And then there's fucking Bob. He owes me $8. Neil owes me $6. He owes me $6. I paid for his motherfucker's Grand Slam breakfast

fucking three days ago he ain't paid me back yet i got upwards of 72 out on the street right now and ain't nobody respect me enough to pay me the fuck back this is bullshit god damn it pray tell when somebody gonna pay me back pray tell when you gonna pay me back. I need to kill every last motherfucker I see. So he's freaking out. Yeah. He comes around to bloom and that's the one he's really focusing his rage on. A, because they live in the same place.

And B, $20 was that was above and beyond. Dude, it's 20 bucks. I just want to say, first of all, on a sidetrack, it's $20. Fucking relax. Relax. Make hell, bro. Make this. I have a thing. Make this your fuck it moment. say first of all on a sidetrack it's twenty dollars yeah fucking relax relax make hell bro make this i have a thing make this your fuck it moment just say fuck it it's cool just fuck it like if everyone just said fuck it once in a while yeah you know and this is the most like hippie whatever the fuck i'll get i'm pretty angry yeah so i'm not more i'm not one who's

like hey man just hug your brother and like be cool but one i'm saying there's about 30 opportunities everybody has every day uh to where you could just be like that fuck it go ahead and you don't and that's fine because you gotta live your life no no that's fine you had to live your life but if everybody one time out of those 30 just went that fuck it go imagine there's like 200 million adults in america that's 200 million fuck it's a day things would be moving so much smoother people would be less dicks everyone would be like minnesota yeah like we went to minnesota and if you haven't ever been to minnesota first of all it's a freezing flat fucking tundra number one but the people are so fucking nice unbelievable and it's not phony that minnesota

nice shit that they say yeah it's not like down south who you guys are really nice too but you don't fucking mean that shit at all you're second week you walk away you're like now this motherfucker you don't mean a word of that shit which is fine we don't either but we're not pretending the minnesota people honestly truly fucking care. They do. And they're nice. And it's really weird. And I bet they say, fuck it a lot and just let somebody in. That's the thing.

I got my celebratory lap dance from my divorce being final in Minnesota. Most loving, gentle, kind lap dance I've ever had. That's what I'm saying. That's what happens. Nothing being slammed into me. No, it's not aggressive. No, it was just so kind. I'm sure it's guys being polite to the strippers there.

Oh, yes. If you like brushed against her boob by accident, you'd be like, oh, hey, sorry about that. Oh, I'm so sorry. I didn't mean to cop a feel. I didn't mean to do, I wasn't,

you sounded Irish there. You're Irish, Minnesota. Didn't mean to cop a feel there. Top of the morning to you. Hell, I'll be having me either spring and going away now. You see me lucky charms. You went really over

the top there do you like a drink loss oh god jesus christ fucking hell I'm telling you man but like little fucking things it's 20 and this is it's that's not a lot of money no it's just 20 bucks you could just fucking I mean yeah right then if you're whatever broke 20 bucks is a lot but in like a couple days it would have been gone anyway. And you would have bought like, you know, two value meals from Burger King and it's over like it's $20. Here's another thing. I was my down payment on what you live with the guy.

Take whatever you owe in rent, take 20 bucks out of it and then tell your roommates, hey, go find that motherfucker or figure something else out. You live with the guy. You fucking live with him. Let me hold that as collateral. I don't know, work on it. Don't say, I'm so fucking mad. But he is so mad,

and he's so mad that he complains the entire way home. After drinking all night. No, there is no fuck it doctrine here. That's my doctrine, is the fuck it doctrine. If I ever run for anything, it's the James Petrogallo fuck it doctrine.

Everyone say fuck it once in a while. Just try it for a day. I bet you everything is fucking better. So he does not have a fuck it doctrine. He's pissed off and he's even more angry once they get back to the trailer. He says that Osborne just continues to be angry. He's agitated. He's stomping around.

He's just circling around the living room talking about fucking $20. He owes me to think who the fuck do you think I am and take my $20 and not give it back to me. And this other guy, this poor Whitaker's like, Jesus Christ. Oh, boy. Because you know that guy. It's like, I'm going to let him pop off a little in the car. Sure. He's drunk and he's venting.

By the way, they drank heavily all night, drove home, these two. Yeah, what is that? That's the other thing, too. All night drinking and driving home. Just driving home. Then again again it is like wyoming so unless they are going to hit a bison there's no other cars on the road and yeah you could hit a mountain you could go off the road and it's like it's still fine unless you hit a mountain not that we think not that we're uh condoning drinking and driving in wyoming but if you're going to drink and drive anywhere do it well make it wyoming

probably i don't fucking know. There's nothing to hit. No cars to hit out there. You won't kill anyone else. We'll put it that way. You might kill yourself. Possible. But no one else will be involved. And if you want to kill yourself, that's your prerogative.

That is your business. The only way you can do it driving would be in Wyoming. So don't drive drunk. Anyway, also don't kill yourself. We don't condone that. I should have put that in there. Left that out. Probably not the best thing to do i've tried just stop yeah it's not great so whittaker here uh he says just this guy's continuing to be angry which is like jesus

christ we got here he's still gonna be a dick about it right but whittaker's not like all right well i'm gonna head home now yeah have a good one see you like i would have been like yeah i'm gonna actually go i'm getting tired so you gotta go on inside i'm sick of hearing you bitch for 20 minutes your roommates are asleep and you're bitching i'm done with this place so yeah he said uh uh that he he came in he cracked a beer open first uh osborne did and then walked around pissed off drinking a beer which they just drank to a shitload before and did some other stuff too that we'll talk about by my count right now two guys need a fucking doctrine like the other guy fuck it fuck this fuck it i'm out yeah and well he's got to fuck it he's fuck iting it to sean where he's like yeah man fuck it i'm gonna let him run his mouth and vent

you know what i mean which is fine that's a good thing to do but then sean needs to be like ah fuck it it's 20 and then that's how you pass on a fuck it there you go and then everybody's happy if there's only one fuck it then it's not gonna work it's i mean we need 200 million fuck it today for this to work it's a real it's a system that works on its own thing it's like bitcoin yeah everyone's got to do it or else obviously it's not gonna work it's gonna fall in line or whatever the fuck the new stupid thing that steals your money is i don't fucking know gold selling i don't know fucking well gold is fine you can hold gold if you buy gold they send you gold you can put it in a safe deposit box and you have gold in there. That's a thing, at least, that people buy.

Jose Canseco was trying to create his own currency. Oh, Jesus Christ. Yeah, I know. Jesus Christ. Probably because he can't pay his house payment. Yeah, because he got booted out of his house. So that's fucking sad. Fucking idiot.

That's so sad. So anyway, not Bloom. Bloom is in the room. He's in the room sleeping, the way at this time and uh also sean osborne have been taking adderall at the bar too so he's drinking and taking adderall he's doing like that 80s uh gonna keep it uh you know drink a little do a little upper to keep myself balanced out and stay awake and uh hopefully be able to still fuck somebody at 5 a.m do a little drink uh do a little drug yeah and try to fuck later and try to fuck tonight yeah that's how we're he i feel that was the balance they had to achieve was like i need to be drunk

enough to be able to drink all night do enough of this upper do enough of coke or whatever it is to counteract the booze but not enough to keep my dick limp that's the other thing you needed to be able to that's a very delicate tightrope people are walking in the 80s the shit cheater taunter all that with a mustache that's a really hard thing to pull off i think i mean that's tough man it's brutal it's brutal whiskey dick coke crank and you're supposed to try and then you wake up shaky in the morning, got to trim your mustache straight. It's difficult. Walk around with that thing? Fuck. With a Dabney Coleman eyebrow on your lip? So, yeah, that's

not going to work. I guess if you got a Tom Selleck push broom, then it's okay because you can let it push out a little bit on you. So, Whitaker says at this point that Osborne, he just headed down to the bedroom where Bloom was sleeping.

He cracked a beer, walked around, motherfucking son of a bitch, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then he put the beer down and just marched down the hallway to the bedroom. So Whitaker's standing there just like looking over. Picture him looking down the hallway like, oh boy, this ought to be good. Where are you going? I bet everyone's pretty mild here. Like Sean's probably the angriest guy in a few square miles, we're going to say. So apparently Osborne then uh uh comes back when he went down there he marched down the fucking hallway and

said i'm gonna get my fucking money that's what he said and he marched down the hallway heard the door open and then he sees uh he sees osborne coming back adam whitaker does so whitaker is like okay uh apparently sean osborne at that point says hey come here watch this i'm gonna kill this motherfucker that's what he says he says come here watch this yeah i'm gonna kill this motherfucker which is a strange thing murder usually does people don't usually request an audience yeah to commit a crime that could put you in jail for maybe did whitaker go with him andaker, that's the other thing. Whitaker won too many fuck-its. Whitaker went, yeah, fuck it. Fuck-it is like the normal person's, all right, that's what it is.

But he's all all right. He's just, all right. And he goes, fuck it. So he heads on back. But in Whitaker's defense, I'm going to kill this guy. I'm going to kill this man. I'm going to fight him. Twelve angry men.

You know what I mean? He's probably thinking there's going to be a fight. And sean seems like a guy who pops off at the mouth a lot like i'm gonna fucking kill that guy blah blah and then when he sees him he's like he's like hey man you know like yeah he might just be a talker and they're probably like what the fuck is he talking about right so he or he's also probably maybe like afraid of him. Also, we don't know the physical prowess of Whitaker compared to Osborne. If maybe Osborne's kind of the alpha physically and Whitaker's not a guy who would be like, hey, man, fuck you and get punched in the face. So you never know what the dynamic is with these people. So he says, watch this.

I'm going to kill that motherfucker. And Whitaker says, all right, and fuck it. And he fucking follows him down the hallway there to the bedroom. And Bloom is sleeping, to which Osborne, now he could have any attack he wants, he chooses to choke him while he's sleeping. That's the go-to. Starts choking him out while he's sleeping. So obviously, Bloom, that's, you know what's the, I take that back earlier.

Second worst way. Second worst way to wake up. I said, yeah, I've murdered told yeah there's a murder and the rent just got the rent got the first way is being attempted to lead to be murdered i would say is the worst way to wake up anyway any way that you're going to be attempted murdered that's the one someone you owe 20 is choking the life out of you is not a good way to wake up to here so he wakes up uh whittaker said that they struggled. Bloom and Osborne, they struggled. Osborne got him down on the ground and he had like he got first he was choking him with

his hands and then he got like got him in like a chin lock, basically like a sleeper hold rear naked show and choked him out like that and was choking him and choking him. And poor Bloom was fucking trying to figure out what was going on. And obviously it's tough to fight that off with only one arm. So very difficult. So poor Bloom is doing this. Apparently, they struggle until Bloom loses consciousness. Once they fall onto the floor, Bloom loses consciousness.

It is at that point after he'd had him in a chokehold and all of that. By the way, when he was choking him uh Whitaker testifies that Sean Osborne was choking him quote as hard as he could is what it looked like to him it looked like he was choking him as hard as he could until he stopped moving which is rough uh then he released the chokehold once he stopped moving completely uh gets up now feel think about how much he appreciates the seriousness of this he thinks he's killed him now you think he would just if he's just in a crazy state he'd just stomp away now and go fucking you know do some other crazy thing that's that that's that nope he stops

checks bloom's pulse does uh sean osborne so that's really alert enough to be like let me check your pulse. Determine. Oh, no, he's still alive. Thought he was dead. Choked him pretty good and didn't even. That's I mean, he knew like, oh, you could choke someone and he's not. They might not be dead.

So he's pretty fucking with it. Checks him, says, OK, yeah, he's still alive. I better get that knife. Gets the knife. Then slits his throat. Not once, but twice. Oh, boy. Once one way back. like ulysses grant signature just a big x that's terrible but that's what he does he does a big fucking back and forth

across his neck and then says i better stab him a bunch of times too and then just stabs him in the neck about five six times is what whitaker uh counted uh. The actual autopsy said at least four. So somewhere in the ballpark of four to six stabs. All in the neck. All in his neck. After he had already slid it. Shit. Slid it clean twice, too.

I mean, he slid it good twice. And then stabbed the fuck out of him on top of that. Worse than an ISIS execution. This is fucking insane. This is terrible. For $20, Jimmy. Yeah. They didn't think he was an infidel or they weren't trying to

make a political statement this is twenty dollars jesus holy shit man i mean give me a fucking break i know times are tough sometimes but give me twenty dollars twenty bucks for fuck's sake it's never been that so uh so this poor whittaker stood there and watched this whole thing now whittaker i would think would be scared shitless because you'd think fuck I just watched this right he just told me watch this motherfucker I better act like I'm enjoying it right or I'm gonna probably get stabbed in the neck five six times this this seems bad yeah the forensic pathologist testified that the chokehold that he had bloom in broke his trachea that's how good of a chokehold he had him around to have as hard as he could broke mr. bloom's trachea uh that's how good of a chokehold he had him around as hard as he could broke mr bloom's trachea here and the stab wounds were inflicted with what he would call significant

force yeah i guess that's a technical term for them a significant or minor or whatever the fuck he was fucking stabbing them down uh bloom was on the ground and he was just stabbing down oh god the force you know he wasn't like i said not a it was a it was a fucking fucking yeah watermelon yeah like you were just you have you're using gravity as your friend basically to do that and uh so uh then whittaker faucet testifies that after he kills uh gerald sean osborne goes to the kitchen sink and uh washes his hands off as best he could and kind of cleans the knife off, gets all the cleaning supplies out, sees what works, washes his hands off, but doesn't bother with his clothes and doesn't bother with the blood covering his arms. And his blood does not come off easy as we discussed. It's a very difficult.

It sticks. yeah it sticks and if it's on your skin you gotta really rub it off especially if you've stabbed a person and basically soaked your hands in their blood uh it takes a while and he just kind of cleaned them and just kind of left them all stained and blood basically like he was you know squishing berries yeah and got stained up like fucking ridiculous man uh so then faucet uh whitaker says that uh uh after he washed himself up a little bit uh sean osborne walked back into the bedroom again where bloom was and he said a couple minutes went by and then he heard here's dragging and he sees sean osborne pulling a sleeping bag with bloom's body inside so he put him in a sleeping bag and now he's dragging him through the through the house now he guess he pulled it out the front door and over to the crawl space under the trailer home he said he pulled aside some boards and shoved the sleeping

bag with the body with gerald in there and into the crawl space and replaced the boards and he said uh this whole time whitaker's just watching him do all this. Like, he's like, hold on. I got to do something quick. And it's this. The trust. He's just like, okay. And then he said he gets him under there, replaces the board. Once he puts the last board in, he kind of did a, and he goes, there, did it. Unbelievable.

That's what he said. Snapped it in. Got that over with. Now I'll get my 20 bucks. Yeah. What are you going to do now, man? What's the thing? Yeah.

The mob wouldn't kill you like this. No. Because they'd be like well he's not gonna be able to get me my 20 bucks now like that's not you still got the vig on the street yeah i don't understand now i'm out 20 bucks what did i just do there i could have made interest off this fucking idiot so yeah this guy either had the worst loan sharking business in the history of the world i loaned six dollars to that guy i don't know or he's just a fucking moron so he said there, there, I did it.

And he just walked back into the trailer and covered in blood still and everything, struggled with the body. And he just passed out on the couch. Just fell asleep on the couch. It's exhausting, that murder. It's a lot of murder. Yeah, you need a murder nap after a while. Some people have a murder steak.

Time to time, you need some murder rest. Murder rest. We talk about a lot, too uh and so does the news like they're people are fascinated with what people do after a murder right like what do they do he ate dinner right like people freak the fuck out what do you expect them to do but yeah if they have the capacity to murder did you expect them to just fall to the ground and sob in their hands and go i've done wrong my phone no confess and talk about how much of a piece of shit they are. That's not what people do.

They generally fucking had lost it enough to kill somebody, and then they go about their normal human business. Because otherwise, it's fucking suspicious. Otherwise, it's suspicious. Yeah, if you do freak out. So that's what I mean. So it's always when people, oh, my God, he did that. Can you believe it?

It's not worse. He went to church after. What he did before is the bad part he did before yeah yeah what he does after is irrelevant as fuck once the person's dead it's really irrelevant at that point to me what he did and that doesn't that doesn't make it better or worse for me like if he did feel horrible and went to church that wouldn't be better than if he went and ate fucking denny's like it wouldn't matter you know what only uh i'm shocked about after a murder is uh they go and fucking murder more that's when i go can you believe they did it again well because they get away with it horrify them enough to never do that shit again no that's the people were no that's they wanted to do it for a long time and it stacked up and then finally they did it and they were like i can do that wow i did it holy shit i

do that now i guess i can do that now especially if they didn't get caught like yeah you're dead and you're buried and they went home and they sat there and there was no police banging their door down and they went do you hear that that's that's freedom that's fucking nothing that's freedom is what that is there is silence and i'm fine and then they go well shit yeah definitely i can murder i think i'll murder again tomorrow fuck it it. That's pretty cool. That's what I do. I'm telling you, I feel like it emboldens people whenever they get away with anything. That's the way it is.

So he says, yeah, I did it. They're there. I did it. Crashes on the couch. And so Whitaker, you would think at this point, would be like monsters asleep and just not even turn to the door. Do like the backwards tiptoe like yeah like cartoon exaggerated like i'm getting out of here boy he sticks around how long hangs out oh just

until osborne wakes up uh let's just hang out what is he how much does he owe this guy is what i'm wondering here uh he says that once he woke up just he took a nap wasn't out all night just a nap it was early in the morning. Then that's when he went and told Dee, hey, look at the body. And then fucking Dee saw the body and went, I don't know, whatever, and went back in the room. And then after that all happened, Whitaker and Sean Osborne and three other friends went out to breakfast. Breakfast. That's nice.

Well, you're hungry. It's been fun. three other friends went out to breakfast breakfast that's nice well you're hungry it's been now mind you uh by the way uh before he went to breakfast he drank a bunch of vodka we'll talk about exactly how much he drank all night in a second but he drank a bunch of vodka and a couple of beers went out to breakfast came back drank a bunch more vodka good god so this is he's still just he's keeping a continuous thing going on here he wasn't even asleep long enough to sleep off his first drunk right but the thing everybody notes is when they went out to breakfast he didn't change his clothes he didn't wash up he went out to

breakfast with four other people with his up to his elbows in blood with his clothes covered in blood holy shit i get that it's wyoming and maybe he fucking hit a bison or something on the road i don't know what the fuck you'd encounter some wild animal but you don't go to a restaurant that's suspicious just covered in blood that's how little he gave a fuck that's how much he gave a fuck about this like it wasn't that he wasn't trying to hide it he just didn't give a fuck about it at all it seems like he was just like i don't know whatever how did the waitress take their order and not be like son is that yeah all right is that blood on your shirt i'll be right back with your order yeah uh police i need your

assistance because a man but he's not gonna believe this it's really like if they catch me they catch me like type of thing like i don't know i mean i don't really want to turn myself in i gotta make a phone call and all that but i mean i'll walk around covered in blood i mean look at me they'll eventually catch me he's got a real can you start my orange approach to life you know what i mean i can't quite get the peel going like he's you know just i'll walk around covered in blood and shit but you're gonna have to take me in that's all i'm saying i don't know what the fuck this guy is thinking at all, but he's covered in blood in a goddamn restaurant. They eat.

And also Whitaker notices that once they get back, they're still drinking again. Yeah. Remains in the blood covered attire, still with his arms covered in blood. Now, when he was in the in the when Osborne was taken for this police interview and he said all the things he said. That's obviously videotaped. So now at this point they play the videotape because Sean's going to testify in his own defense. So you have to put the opposite of that on the screen. Like you see him sitting here talking. This is him sitting here talking with his covered in blood to his arms.

Fucking going, well, I guess that's 10 years to life. I don't fucking know. going well i guess that's 10 years to life i don't fucking know like uh so they play uh the the the tape form and the jury sees him say pretty sure that what everyone else said uh happened is what happened right after a guy was a long witness saying what happened happened so he just basically you know corroborated ratified yeah his whole thing here and then he said you know we got in a fight over 20 it went a little too far and then they heard him say he said you know we got in a fight over 20 dollars it went a little too far and then they heard him say the i i know i'm in some deep shit i know i know i guess i better figure out a lawyer see if it's going to be 10 years or life so uh the jury

gets to watch that which is quite damning the defense attorney has to be so imagine his just face palm on this whole fucking thing just like shaking his head like how the fuck did i get assigned this trial because he's a public defender obviously pulling a fedora down over his ears jesus christ no oh it's the fucking worst so uh this public defender and for the defense here was appointed to represent sean obviously because i mean $20 is a lot of money and attorneys are expensive for murder trials. So his attempt here, his whole approach is to prove that Sean was so intoxicated at the time of the murder that he was unable to form the specific intent necessary to support a first- murder charge he's not even going for he didn't do it because that's impossible that's not a hill to climb here or

to die on or to do anything with that's a hill to look at and go oh that's a big one i'm fucked you're not doing that so what he's going for is maybe i can get him second degree or manslaughter and you know we can say they got in a fight, and he was real drunk, and he didn't know what was going on, and things happened, and boys will be boys in 10 years maybe. Who knows?

That's what he's going for here. So he pleads not guilty, like we said before. They try to show his intoxication level here. They called witnesses to present evidence that he'd been under the influence of alcohol and Adderall all night. Other people he was hanging out with, people who gave him the drugs, people who watched him take the pills,

people who were drinking with him. Also, they bring into the thing that he has a history of being a very heavy drinker and has blackouts, and they're bringing all this in. He's a huge alcoholic thater and has blackouts and they're bringing all this in like he's a huge alcoholic that's always half blacked out and he doesn't know what the fuck he's doing which seems

like a guy who should be i don't know in jail if he's killing people in that state if he goes home and just passes out on his couch like that more power to you but for you man yeah ruin your liver i don't give a fuck but but if you're killing people, it's another story. So they present evidence that he began drinking on his way home from work the evening before and continued to drink heavily throughout the night into the early morning. They present evidence. Okay, let's keep count here. That he drank numerous beers, two pints of vodka, two pints of vodka, and numerous shots of whiskey.

And we'll talk, we'll get into the specifics of it. Also presents evidence that he took Adderall, which is an amphetamine if you don't know for unless you're a hyperactive teenager unless you're a hyperactive 11 year old it's fucking stimulant here it's a focus thing for for people that are studying in college yes that's also that for that uh also witnesses who were with sean on the night of the killing testified that he was fucking over the rainbow drunk. Yeah. Which there's no doubting that at all. Sean testifies in his own defense.

Right. Because, I mean, what do you got to lose at this point? Honestly, what are you doing? Just fucking go out there. What can you say that's worse than what you've already said? Get out there and say you didn't do it. Fuck. So he testifies.

He tells the jury that he had three beers on his way home from work at 8 p.m. than what you've already said get out there and say you didn't do it fuck so he testifies he tells the jury that he had three beers on his way home from work at 8 p.m gets off of work three beers in the car ride on the way home which is excessive i feel like that's i need to get to a certain level of alcohol or i get don't feel too good i feel like that's where he is like starting to get shaky i better pound these three beers that was a long shift yeah that's eight that's eight o'clock then he drank a pint of vodka and another beer and a half at his girlfriend's house this man has a fucking girlfriend by the way he sleeps on somebody's trailer floor and is mad about twenty dollars and drinks three beers in the car on the way home and some woman

is willing to fucking have regular sex with him to get a pint of vodka and a beer and a half jesus christ so now he is uh four and a half beers and a pint of vodka and and it's like 9 30 that's the end of my day and he got off work at eight o'clock yeah you're asleep you're like okay i am sleeping i'm feeling a little sleepy now like you'd be out fucking cold man wake me on wednesday yeah uh it's been a lot his night is this is tailgating for him this is just pre-gaming uh sausage and peppers yeah that's it he's getting ready to go he's got a nice dip in a real nice dip that he made very cheesy yeah it's fun dude it so he testifies here that he went uh that he and his friends went to bars where he drank beer and shots of whiskey for the next four hours over a consistent basis

to the point where he can't even put a finger on how many shots and how many beers he had. Oh, I want to throw up. Yeah, say five to ten whiskeys and five to ten beers. Too much. In addition to four and a half beers and a pint of vodka, which is a shitload of vodka to drink to the head, I think. That's too much in addition to four and a half beers and a pint of vodka which is a shitload of vodka to drink to the head i think how could he it's too much vodka how did he have the

the the means and the body motor motor skills no wonder why to slam a knife into anybody and no wonder you got to be an alcoholic yeah if you're a real alcoholic you you function like that it's it's fucking weird so uh get understanding it How could you possibly even manage it? How could you even physically do it? You'd think he would miss with the knife. And you'd think if someone's that drunk, even if you're asleep when they start attacking you, you could probably fight them off because they're so fucking sloppy. But he was actually in control of his body enough to have the dexterity to fucking hand-eye coordination and stab somebody in the neck. Right.

And sign Grant's signature. Especially when you've got one knife and you're seeing double. That's what I mean. I got two knives, one for each of you. So, we got a lot of tombstones. What's a western town?

It's not like it's Connecticut, so, or fucking Massachusetts. Cowboy up, James. I don't think so. No thanks. So, he also testifies

that in addition to all this he took a few adderall as the way he put a few adderall on top of this so he's got a quite the fucking night of uh quite the chemistry experiment going on inside of his body he testifies at that point he probably drank five to eight rounds of beer and shots at the first bar that's his that's his estimate but he doesn't really know five to eight rounds of beer and shots at the first bar. That's his estimate, but he doesn't really know. Five to eight rounds of beer and shots at the first bar. So that's what we talked about before. That is a lot. Then they left for a second bar at 1 a.m.

This is where, like we said, he's like 10 beers, a pint of vodka, and five to eight shots into this night and a bunch of Adderall. And they go to a second bar where apparently he said he was having a hard time at the second bar. Well, you've got 30 drinks in you, man. That's the problem. He said he was having a hard time managing himself and keeping his shit together and, you know, not being the guy who's like falling off the stool and, you know, smashing his

head on the bar and shit, like just trying to sit there and maintain. And he said he was having a hard time. shit like just trying to sit there and maintain yeah he said he was having a hard time he said at that point he he testified that he probably continued drinking beer and shots of whiskey because that's just what they were doing but he's not sure because he was not very coherent by then and he doesn't really remember a lot from it he just knows they were doing that so he was probably doing shots of whiskey so god knows he says at says at that point, at the bar, he purchased another pint of vodka. So not enough. Not enough.

So he purchases another pint of vodka. And then before leaving the second bar, and then they go home, and he remembers opening a beer when he arrived back at the trailer. Yeah. So add that up to this guy's evening. That is a lot. That is way too much booze that he's drank tonight. I see why he's so angry right now on his way back. He's like, I drank $300 worth of booze.

I'm going to need at least $20 back. Even in the diviest bar, I've got gotta get my 72 dollars back off the street these motherfuckers are gonna start paying they hosed me for 30 300 tonight unreal i am barely drunk i can't even feel it i'll be honest with you i think it might have been fake i can't feel anything so further evidence uh obviously they showed the jury that uh after killing him after killing gerald bloom that he disposed of the body and then passed out on the couch. Next morning, drank another pint of beer before going to breakfast and then having more vodka and more beer when he returned to the trailer. Wow.

So this guy is fucking hardcore. Yeah. He's an alcoholic. He's the type of wife. If he just doesn't drink, he'll die. Yeah. He'll just die. My uncle, I watched him drink 30 beers a night and it is

it is disturbing to be able to see somebody put that inside their body imagine this yeah and i was 30 beers this guy's drinking 30 drinks whiskey and pints of vodka mixing so much pints of vodka like his segue too like it's just like his like sorbet. It's like his catchphrase. Hamburger! Vodka, my sorbet. Hamburger. Yeah, he said that the defense presented evidence that he passed out on the couch until police arrived,

which they said, and then the police officers who interviewed him testified that he smelled of alcohol, first of all. I'm sure he did did second he opened the door they were like whoa you smell that holy shit smells like my uncle and uh so uh bad memories for this poor officer smell so he said he smelled that and immediately they were like he reeks of alcohol he's covered in blood this is this should be eventful right so uh they they do that he said

they also said that he acted very carefree because he was like, ah, sure, come on in. And they said during the interview, even he was just like, well, I guess I need a lawyer because I'm fucked. I got 10 years life. I don't know. I got to get a lawyer and went too far. What are you going to do? You know, shit happens. They said they probably they thought because he was drinking.

Yeah. So he's still drunk. A little loose. Yeah. He's a little loosey goosey. They're having a good time. So unreal, man. a little loose yeah he's a little loosey-goosey there having a good time uh so unreal man i guess uh they said immediately after uh he killed mr bloom after he killed bloom uh they present the

evidence obviously that he washed the blood off his hands and his knife put the body in a sleeping bag attempted to hide it pulled it out which takes effort like it wasn't just like he didn't just put a blanket over it he actually had to make a plan of i'm gonna go in the closet yeah and it's an a to b to c it's a it's not and i'm so fucked up i don't know what i'm over it. He actually had to make a plan of, I'm going to go in the closet. Yeah, and it's an A to B to C. It's not an I'm so fucked up, I don't know what I'm doing. It's I need to get that sleeping bag, put him inside of it, then take him outside into this. You need cognitive whatever. It's a lot of forethought. Yeah, it's forethought.

It's clearly forethought. It's not good forethought. No, but it's definitely premeditation or postmeditation, however you want to put it. Definitely some. It's definitely premeditation or postmeditation, however you want to put it. So I guess they said when that happened, he also attempted to conceal it by covering it with boards, which is also that's that's one of the things they say. Like, that's the first thing they say to see if you're competent as well. Did you try to get away with it?

Because if you tried to get away with it, then you probably knew what you were doing was wrong. And that's that's just an obvious one. There's obviously a million other ways but that's there uh they say though uh the worst of it all is that they said he kept drinking alcohol and he was lucid and responsive in his interactions with the cops you know admitting admitting it to the cops and being very aware of that it was a serious thing because he knew the years involved and all that so it feels like he knew exactly what he was doing got shit faced too drunk and acted out yes which sorry fuck you at that point like you know whatever no one okay here's the only time that that's an acceptable uh excuse for murder i'll give you one example here you're you're so drunk that you didn't know what was going on you killed a guy

because the other person's not you took that alcohol into your body the only way is if that person tackled you held you down and put the alcohol up your asshole to the point where you were so drunk that you didn't know what happened then you killed the person who forcibly alcohol raped you that would be okay i feel like that's an excuse forcibly asked for your bongs forcibly booze raped you that's that's what i'm talking about right there that on the i think would be an acceptable murder outside of that you can't use this as a fucking you hear us frat boys yeah absolutely jesus christ so the defense said that he was unable to formulate the intent to kill a human being purposely with premeditated malice and it should not find him guilty of first-degree murder.

So the district court actually instructs the jury to the elements also of second-degree murder and manslaughter. He's in a spot where they're thinking, you get one real drunk on that fucking jury, and it's only first-degree or nothing, this guy might walk. That drunk might go, well, I fucking blacked out before. What if I did such shit? I don't want to be first degree murder for blacking out and he's gonna creep all those women in that room out and be like this man has done just second degree let's get out of here yeah so they give him options to be able to say you know to be able to give this guy an excuse here uh the court instructs the jury that if they do find uh shane osborne not

guilty of first degree murder must decide whether he's guilty of second degree or manslaughter or innocent yeah uh but you know that's probably not the best that's probably not gonna happen he didn't do it until it's a conspiracy so the jury uh uh after four hours of deliberation that's a lot well there's you know they got to go through the paperwork and everything four hours they came back uh with a guilty verdict on first degree murder oh so must not have been a drinking crowd so uh first degree murder there it's a sunday night it's a sunday night you know uh they said he stood emotionless yeah uh while uh while they the verdict was read because he was coming down, I'm sure. Yeah. They ordered a pre-sentence investigation, as they always do to, you know, mitigating factors, all that shit, after which they'll do sentencing. They revoked his bond, even though he wasn't out.

And he's remanded back to the custody of the Sheridan County Detention Center, where he will be awaiting sentencing there. Now, it's at this point where it gets shuffled up a little bit. A new attorney jumps into the fold. This is pre-sentencing. A new attorney jumps in saying that he should get a new trial here, saying that his other attorney was a dipshit, which he was, and we'll get to that, complete dipshit. But he's saying that he's his new attorney and the old public defender has an order to he is allowed to withdraw.

So they do that new attorney subsequently files a motion saying that Sean Osborne was entitled to a new trial on the basis of newly discovered evidence and ineffective assistance of counsel. Now, the new evidence is a guy named, this sounds made up, okay? This sounds like a Will Ferrell character, but it's not, I promise. It is Dr. Craig W. Beaver, which 100% sounds like a Will Ferrell character. The W stands for wet.

It sounds for wet. Curly guy with like 80s glasses. a lot of head motion yeah you guys can't see what i just did to make jimmy laugh like a rooster kind of did one of those on him like yeah w stands for wet that's right dr craig w beaver nice to meet you oh christ oh man beaver dubs over here he uh he's a he doesn't sound like an idiot when you hear his title at all he's a forensic neuropsychologist yeah which i've that's not my old job at all i didn't know forensic neuropsychologist that's interesting he knows that's shit about the brain that he knows and how it affects your behavior and how it makes you murder yes Yes. They retained him after the verdict and they had him examine Sean Osborne and old Dr. W. Beaver here.

He concludes that it was more probable than not that Sean was in a substance abuse delirium at the time of the killing, leaving him incapable of forming the specific intent necessary for first degree murder. The new. Well, it's sort of a thing but we'll find out yeah is that a thing this new attorney argues that uh the trial council was ineffective in failing to obtain an expert to explain what uh substance abuse delirium is and how it impacted uh sean osborne's cognitive ability to premeditate or form the intent to kill now that actually is kind of he basically went up in front of a jury and we'll talk about it in a second and said like he got real drunk y'all been drunk right well fucking drunk like that that's

you didn't know what he was doing rather than have a man who with a title like a neuroscientist as when they got done laughing at his name you tell him the title and they stop laughing and then they go oh well you might know what the fuck he's talking about so not saying that would have got him off or whatever but i think you want your attorney to at least try uh the district court we'll find out why he didn't do it in a second the district court uh had an evidentiary hearing and the new council presented testimony from dr beaver and from the old trial counsel. After the hearing, the district court denied a new trial motion.

They concluded any deficient performance by trial counsel did not sufficiently prejudice the defense warranting a new trial. Okay, so they have to go to sentencing now, and then we'll talk about an appeal. Dr. Beaver should have been an OBGYN. He really should have been. He could have had a card that said Dr. Beaver, Beaver doctor. Dr. Beaver should have been an OBGYN. He really should have been. He could have had a card that said, Dr. Beaver, Beaver doctor. Dr. Beaver, Beaver doctor. I don't think any ladies are going to the Beaver doctor.

Dr. Beaver with a picture of him on it? Yeah. He'd have to have a photo on there, like, hey, winking. That would be my favorite doctor of all time. A winking photo? Yeah. Very unsuccessful man. Just not good at his job.

So, that's awesome so in sentencing uh they bring him in and uh the judge has some options of what to do and he chooses one he says you sir may certainly fuck off yeah uh the court sentences him to life in prison without the possibility of parole oh shit so he got not 10 years yeah basically that is that's a lot more than 10 as many as you can get that's till you die you got all the years you got all the years hey it's a royal flush of years look at you fucking two pair good job wow uh remember when you wanted 20 we gave you way more years we gave you i don't know how long you think you're gonna live you pick but how healthy are you what's your diet like at 19 cents an hour you're gonna earn 20 you will earn that 20 eventually it's gonna take a while so uh the appeals obviously uh appeals to the wyoming supreme court all the

way up which by the way, in case you don't know, the Wyoming Supreme Court is a buffalo, a bison and a one armed cowboy. So it's a three entity panel. And to get the supreme title on it. Yeah. I also give the one armed cowboy is holding a taco. Yeah, he's got a taco, but he has to put it down sometimes actually because uh this is an odd thing but the bison is actually the head of the committee but he needs the cowboys to bang the gavel with his one arm because he can't wrap his hoof around it so you people think

the one-armed cowboy is in charge but it's actually the bison who's calling things to action it's very weird up there it's it's wyoming it's a little different you know so uh he's asserting you know he's asserting ineffective assistance of counsel due to the council's failure to. We told you. So anyway, his new lawyer tells the justices, Justice Bison, Justice Buffalo and Justice Hop along there that he that he assumed they had each experienced being drunk. This is what he says. But I doubt any of you has the experience of drinking that much. Okay. He says he tells them because he's trying to get into what he was drinking. He also argues that it was insufficient for the old attorney to merely tell the jury that he'd been drinking and taking drugs. taking drugs he should have heard the expert testimony that the alcohol and amphetamines could have combined to put osborne into a state of quote substance induced delirium that would

make it impossible for him to form any sort of intent of any kind he said that the old this is amazing the old attorney gave a statement after the trial that the reason he did not retain an expert was this is fucking amazing uh was in part because quote he didn't realize he could do that i didn't know i could i didn't know i could do that he literally said and then he went on as they said pardon me fuckwad somebody slapped him and he said i didn't realize that i could obtain the services of an expert through the public defender's office. Well, what the fuck else would you do? Don't you fucking work there? Right.

Ask somebody. Right. Don't you have a boss to go, hey, I got this case. It's murder and all. Is there like an expert thing? Is there like a pool we can go to to pick out an expert? Like, what the, didn't even fucking ask. He just went, well, I didn't think I could do that.

I don't know. I don't know what, I don't even know what to say about that. You didn't know you could do that i don't know and then i don't know what i don't even know what to say about that you didn't know you could do it's like saying i didn't cop a plea because i didn't know i didn't know that was like what you need to ask somebody this is a fucking murder trial then after that they go well that's a ridiculous reason he goes well even if i could have gotten one i didn't i don't think i would have anyway because he said that he didn't want, quote, didn't want the trial to become a battle of the experts. To which Osborne's new attorney goes, some might call that a trial. That's what a trial is.

You get your people, I get my people, and then a jury decides who they fucking believe. That's a trial. That's how we do it. Hey, it's a battle of the experts. That's what lawyers are, legal experts, and it's a battle of who they fucking believe. That's a trial. That's how we do it. Hey, it's a battle of the. That's what lawyers are. Legal experts. And it's a battle of them. Dick fuck.

So I don't think I've ever wanted to watch anything that wasn't a battle of the experts. What the fuck is that? No. Battle of the experts is the best way to watch anything. I want to see a professional fighter fight just a guy who's never been in a fight in his life and works at the bank. That's because because you know i don't want to see a battle of the experts so he didn't know that he could do it and then he didn't

want to be a battle of the experts so this guy is the worst attorney i've ever heard in my life he's like my cousin vinnie's first attorney before they brought vinnie in the one that like was stuttering and didn't know he couldn't do shit so uh this is unbelievable so the attorney for the wyoming general wyoming attorney general's office he argues that uh that that his first osborne's first attorney did quote an adequate job it's fine it's fine and that uh osborne's convictions should stay he was literally like his dad he was fine it's fine he's good he's fucking stand let it stand you know i was considering his ruling so i went over some notes for his trial and then i realized what he was convicted of doing and i was

like you're not fucking fuck it okay that was my fucking moment that was my fucking moment for the day it's like fuck it i could get involved but fuck it i'm not gonna ruin a guy's life the lawyer i mean amazing so then uh he also said the attorney general's office said that the he the old lawyer was making a decision that he would rather make the arguments himself than rely on some expert. Which you never want to rely on some guy who knows what he's talking about to tell someone something. A whole lot of fuck it going on. Jesus Christ. That's what I mean.

Wyoming is the fuck it state. Jesus. You got one arm? Fuck it. Wow. Get on this bull. He also said that the attorney general said that you don't even need an expert because most people in Wyoming are already familiar with alcohol does to the brain on a neuropsychological level. He recounted the strength of the case, which is a good thing to do. strength of the case, which is, you know, a good thing to do.

And one of the justices said, quote, it seems to me that all that all all that good evidence that the state has means the defense should have brought an expert in to contradict it. We'll talk about this here. This is, you know, in the arguments, the attorney general responds by saying that that old attorney made all the necessary arguments that the expert would have made, and, quote, it would have been a different case if the defense didn't even raise the voluntary intoxication defense. He goes, he raised it. He just did a shit job of presenting it based on his own tactical decisions, which isn't ineffective. It's just you got a public defender, asshole, and that's what you get when you get a public defender sometimes.

Somebody who's not an expert. Yeah, somebody who's new at this or you know isn't being hired whatever for whatever reason or they're just getting their fucking feet wet who knows they didn't know they could do that he couldn't have been he couldn't have been doing this that long if he didn't quote didn't know he couldn't he could do that what the fuck there's coffee here i can just take it i can have it i can just pour a cup and it's fine oh wait but if it's empty i gotta do it. Okay, I'll refill. So the majority opinion here, they end up affirming the whole thing here and saying it's tough shit. The majority opinion is written saying that the trial counsel's performance did not sufficiently prejudice Osborne's defense to warrant a new trial. sufficiently prejudice Osborne's defense to warrant a new trial. That's the basic deal here.

They said the evidence against Mr. Osborne was overwhelming. Even with such expert testimony, we conclude the probability in this case is that the jury would convict Mr. Osborne of first degree murder, which that's that's I don't know. So there's another Justice Voight here that has a different opinion. He votes with them, but for another reason. He doesn't vote. It's a legal thing. He said, I didn't do it because of this. I did it because of this. And he says, I write separately only to give voice to a concern we should all have with it's a Strickland standard, it's called. It's a legal term here cited in the majority, a standard that we have followed for years the problem is that while it often relatively easy to prove defense counsel's deficient performance it's practically impossible to prove prejudice because it's

practically impossible to prove that the outcome would have been different had the jury been allowed to hear certain evidence right it's like saying in a football game if they would have got that first down then they would have won it's like well you don't know if the guy would have thrown an interception two balls later. Still have things to do. Who the fuck knows? They're not in the end zone. That's what I mean. It's very hard to predict what would have, this would have happened and that than that.

Right. So he says about this here, he says, quote, in finding lack of prejudice, the majority states this, that the evidence of guilt was overwhelming. And then he gets to this here at the end. I got to read here he says quote the point i wish to make is that where defense counsel's performance has been shown to be so ineffective as to deprive the defendant of that counsel assured him by the sixth amendment we cannot rely upon the adversarial process as having produced a just trial nevertheless we continue to require the appellant to prove the impossible that the results would have been different had there been some uh that there should be some line of

egregiousness that when it's crossed basically he says after that there should be some line of egregiousness that when it's crossed the presumption becomes one of ineffectiveness he voted with the majority but only based on that's the way the law is written. But he said it shouldn't fucking be written that way, which makes sense. If your lawyer's such a fuck up, but you can't, like here, the lawyers are terrible, but he can't prove that that one thing would have set him free.

And that's the standard of the law. Whereas he's saying, can we just prove that, let's say a lawyer gets like, it's like your license. Once you lose a certain amount of points, like he's made five fuck-ups that means he's ineffective now and you get a new trial because your lawyer's a fucking idiot like there has to be that like maybe that's a good point it's a great point that's a great way to write it it's the guy was really good that wrote this is just his point yeah whatever yeah this is a this is the it's

it's a majority opinion but it's like uh he had to write separately than the than the main one just because he's got like a dissenting view in the majority opinion he agrees with what they're saying but for different reasons and saying by the way the law should be different because this is fucking stupid here so affirmed fuck off sean osborne he stays in jail uh gerald bloom stays dead unfortunately for him D. Himes and David Dennison now have to pay all of the rent now they're going they just went

50-50 yeah like we were 25% each fucking three days ago now we're 50-50 this is bullshit what the fuck man so that's how that goes and that is Sheridan Wyoming and that is an interesting case of a complete fucking idiot who just comes to the door hi y'all covered in blood what else what if

what if when the police were searching him uh and and they were like checking his back pockets and they were like and a 20 bill and he was like can you imagine and he's like that sumbitch paid me can you can you yesterday yes not only that he's like shit or even worse even worse if like he was exhausted yeah and he went and laid down and then he went to get another beer and he opens up the open up the beer and he sees under the magnet there's something and he looks and it's a note folded in half twenty dollars falls out and it's like the sweetest note ever and it's like dear sean i really appreciate you lending me that twenty dollars in my time of need things were very difficult for me and having a good friend like you who's willing to bail a fella out of a jam

is what keeps me going from one day to the next. I can't tell you how much I appreciate that so much. And then Sean looks down and he goes, is that a five too? And he's like, I put 25. The five is for interest. I apologize for the extra two weeks it took, but I could not obtain work. And then he dropped the beer and it exploded in his face. P.S. I love you like a brother.

If anything happens to me, please take care of my son love gerald and then he slammed the door of the fridge and he goes hey y'all y'all want to go to breakfast i got 25 i'm good and that is this crazy fucking story what the fuck that's exactly what happened so what a crazy goddamn story if you like that story i got an idea why don't you tell us about it yeah go ahead and do that you can do that multiple ways number one itunes uh apple podcast that purple icon yeah go there give us five stars doesn't matter what you say it's just to feed that damn funky algorithm of algorithm of itunes and drive us up the charts and all that good shit. All that dancing makes it hungry. It does make it very hungry.

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But we have a new computer here, which is great, by the way. But the problem is, apparently, it will make our recording software revert out of nowhere to its default settings as far as the inputs go where are those at so we did an entire show with these beautiful expensive fucking top best broadcast quality fucking microphones you could get with them uh not at all picking up any of their our fucking not recording any of that and instead recording it onto the internal microphone of the computer which sounded like a fucked up FaceTime conversation and there's

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destroy that also like we did our other fucking days every day and we'll work today too and uh it's almost seven o'clock and i'm supposed to get a christmas tree and now the place is closed and i feel bad and this is what we do jimmy's kids are waiting for him this is what we're doing three hours for me so when you like send us shit and shit and say, where's the episode and all that, we get that you love it, but you have to understand from our point of view, we are fucking bleeding for this shit. We're covered in fucking blood going out to breakfast drinking vodka for this. Do you understand?

One night this week, we didn't record. That's it. That's it. And we've had shows every night. We've either been on a plane or doing shows or both every other fucking day. And these shows take a lot out of us. They really do. And the research for them is a lot.

We had to do an extra show this week. The one night that we didn't work and record, you made this show. Yeah, so this is what I'm saying. We haven't had any time. So sorry is what I'm getting at. You're such a liar. That we tried ourselves. Sorry for being such a fucking liar.

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