Small Town Murder - #99 - The Coroner's Waiting Room in McIntosh, Florida

Episode Date: December 27, 2018

This week, in McIntosh, Florida, a young couple has trouble as they try to navigate life. These troubles get much more complicated when things turn into a love triangle... then a square... then... the whole thing is just out of control, until a plot emerges against one of the triangle members that ends in a horrific murder, and a messy cover up. In court, precedents are set, and things devolve into just as much of a mess as everything else is in this story!! Along the way, we find out that sometimes it's bad to take a step back in time, that having two kids by age 18 might not be best career decision, and that in order to commit murder, you should really have some clue of what's going to happen next!! Hosted by James Pietragallo & Jimmie WhismanNew episodes every Thursday!!Please subscribe, rate, and review!Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you listen to podcasts!Head to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder!For merchandise: crimeinsports.threadless.comCheck out James and Jimmie's other show: Crime in Sports Follow us on social media!Facebook: facebook.com/smalltownpodInstagram: instagram.com/smalltownmurderTwitter: twitter.com/MurderSmall Contact the show: [e-mail] See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Small Town Murder. Oh, yay indeed, Jimmy. Yay indeed. My name is James Petrigallo. I'm here with my co-host. I am Jimmy Wissman. We got Christmas behind us. Thank you, folks, so much for joining us. Merry Christmas and happy holidays and New Year and every other thing that's around here. Thank you. Well, everything's weird. That's what I mean. We don't mean weird shit. We already started out on a bad

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disclaimer right of course this week quickly before we get into this show because it's a this is a crazy ass show we have in front of us here uh we did it as a live show and it is fucking bonkers which one it's uh you'll find out which one we're gonna get into it in two seconds okay this is a comedy podcast everybody this is uh we're comed out which one we're gonna get into it in two seconds okay this is a comedy podcast everybody this is uh we're comedians yeah so we're gonna make jokes we will the story is 100 real everything that happens is 100 real uh we're just gonna make jokes about it not about the murder so much although people have asked us what's so funny about murder a whole lot of shit tons of everything around it pretty much because that's a situation that's clearly deteriorated whatever situation that is and we'll find some comedy in

there somewhere whether it be a small town uh police force some lawyers that don't do their jobs correctly things like that behavior for sure behavior a murderer let's make fun of them what else can we do uh either way though what we try to do is we try to go out of our way not to make fun of the victims or the victims' families because we're assholes. But. But we're not scumbags. That's true. And that's the truth of the matter.

And if that sounds good to you, awesome. Welcome aboard. We're going to have a good time. If you think that true crime and comedy never go together, this probably isn't going to work out. We tried it and we had a first date and it just wasn't. It wasn't. You're pretty. We're handsome and pretty at the same time. And so are you. Yeah. But it just wasn't. It wasn't pretty. You're we're handsome and pretty at the same time.

And so are you. Yeah. But it just didn't work. Sorry. I don't know. Thank you. Have a good one for everybody else. I think it's time to shout from the highest rooftops and mountaintops that you can shut

up and give me murder and give me murder. Let's do this. Let's go. Let's go on a trip, Jimmy. I would love. What do you say? It's the holidays are over. Yeah. It's been traffic is fairly slow now isn't it are people still going it's all we're going home now it's busy as shit this whole through this whole weekend and then

all the college kids will go back to where the hell they came from and uh it's gonna be a mess yeah uh yes so uh we're gonna go to florida okay uh not voluntarily no we'll be dragged there kicking and screaming except on on February 21st. We will voluntarily pay exorbitant amounts of money to fly into West Palm Beach for some reason. Absolutely. What the fuck is with that? Ridiculous airfare cost to get there.

So please come to that show. Otherwise, we're going to lose money on that show because it's really expensive to travel this goddamn place. So drive there from whatever nook and cranny and swamp in Florida you reside and come see us. Goddamn Florida. So let's go to Florida. Fantastic.

This flight's going to be so expensive. Jesus Christ. Yeah, luckily, this is for the show, Jimmy, right now. So, you know, this is an expensive travel, too. It is. We're going to macintosh florida there's no direct direct flights to macintosh you don't even know where macintosh is it's terrible it's in central florida which would be i'm talking where the two where the

panhandle in the peninsula which i'm sorry it's just a water panhandle it's all you have there is a water panhandle and a land handle a land handle and a water pan handle. And where they meet, where the taint of Florida would be right in the crotch area is McIntosh, Florida, right in the middle of two pan handles. That's called a weld. That's a weld. Yeah. That seam on the ball sack, that's called a weld. Yeah.

That's where we're going. That's fascinating to a young man, by the way. When you're a young boy, you're very confused by that. You don't understand how that happened. You wonder if there was an accident at some point i was this close to asking my mom if i had an operation and i was like hey mom never mind it just makes so much sense let's not talk about jesus christ if i did have an operation i don't want to know about it yeah everything seems to be operating never mind never mind i think it's everything seems to be working. I'll let you know if that falls apart because that weld looks like it's not going to hold.

A weld could just open up at any moment. What apprentice welded me together? Because this is definitely not the work of a journeyman. Hey, Jimmy, want to play basketball? No, no. No, my weld is looking weak today. What? Your what?

I'm going to lose my nuts. I'm sorry. I can't come. I'm going to go home and play video games instead. I can't come with you. I'm going to stay home and see if I can come by myself. I'm going to keep it real tight on the home front. Keep it real close by.

This is not handiwork of a very skilled marksman. It's a hell of a way to start out this show. Let's talk about nutsacks for three minutes. And the weird seam that runs down the center. We rarely talk about balls of any kind on this show. That's the thing. Anatomy rarely comes up unless it's a scientific way. Instead, let's talk about it.

It had to happen. I'm sorry. We focused a bit too hard on it. Well, that's where this town is. of me rarely comes up unless it's a scientific way and instead let's talk about it it's it had to happen i'm sorry we focused a bit too hard on well that's where this town is so it's relevant it's double panhandle power panhandle squared yeah coming at you uh it's an hour and a half to orlando to go south down to orlando uh and it is uh if you want to go someplace that's slightly better or five hours to Miami, keep going down the coast because I know Orlando is in the central. Keep going. You'll get to Miami and that's probably much better, I would assume.

It's probably the only place in Florida that's worth a fuck. I don't know. I don't know. It just depends on the time of day or year, too. Yeah. I don't know. I've never been to Miami. Because you've got hurricanes that go right the fuck through there.

I've never been to Miami. Never. I've been to Tampa. I've been to Orlando. I'm not impressed, I've got to that go right the fuck through there. I've never been to Miami. Never. I've been to Tampa. I've been to Orlando. I'm not impressed, I've got to be honest with you. I've been to Port St. Lucie. I've been to West Palm. I've been to Florida.

Yeah, I've been to West Palm, too. Yeah, obviously. I was at the improv there. Duh. I've been to St. Pete. It's a great club. We'll be there February 21st. Yeah, we will.

I've been to all kinds of places around Florida. Yeah. But I've never been to the places where people go for fun. Yeah, no, that's, yeah. Yeah, I went when I was nine. And I went, yeah. I went to see my grandmother in Tampa. Yeah.

And she was there for the winter because she was 83. You know what I mean? Because that's what people do in Tampa. And you spent your summer from school with an 83-year-old? No, we went for two days or something. Oh, okay. Yeah, it was much better. Jesus Christ. Spent a whole fucking-old? No, we went for two days or something. Oh, okay. Yeah, it was much better. Jesus Christ.

Spent a whole fucking summer there? No, thank you. Here we are, Nan. Let's listen to Nan be racist for three months down south. Perfect. Did you see all those black people at the Publix or whatever the grocery store is down there? It was Publix, yeah. Jesus.

No, Nan, I didn't. There was Dominicans, too. Okay, Nan, that's great. Wonderful. That's all she needs to do i went and visited bed puddles dad down there and had to listen to him tell me about how bad alcohol is while he blew fucking weed smoke in my face the whole week the man had a point it doesn't matter you're getting fucked up one way or another let's not judge let's not judge it's two hours and

ten minutes to monticello which is the first small town murder in florida that we did uh it's in marion county zip code 32664 area code 352 it is an excessively tiny town in terms of area it's 0.70 square miles so not even a square mile no tiny tiny town uh the oof jesus christ by the way, the motto of this town, a little frightening. Motto is, quote, welcome to Macintosh, a step back in time. No. Which any southern town stepping back, I prefer, look out, black people, they're starting again. I think that's more accurate.

Any minute now. Watch out. Yeah. You're not safe here. They're longing for times gone by. It's not. They're longing for yesteryear. This isn't going to be good for you.

Let's just say that. Let's get the fuck out. Go someplace better. It's Florida anyway. But Jesus, it's going to be worse soon. And Floridians are longing for something. That's terrifying. That's terrifying.

They shouldn't be getting together on anything down there, except for a hatred of tourists, probably. So the history here, most of this history I got, by the way, from an account of Jesus Christ. You want to read something boring? Yeah. Read an account of plantation life in Florida in 1851, kept as a diary by a guy named george houston uh that's boring it was fucking boring uh i don't know if you've never i guess spoiler alert if you're not planning on going back to 1851 and hanging out on a plantation not a lot happens no be honest with you uh not a lot to really write about yeah uh you pretty much same thing every day yeah maybe someone dies in the field or

something outside of that at your hands well yeah at your hands one of the mules died while pulling a cart today nothing fucking happens it's just the wheat grew another inch there's just nothing you can do it's it's insane uh this the whole area kind of got got cooking in 1828 around there, which is ironically the same time that Andrew Jackson was elected president of the United States. Jimmy, I love if someone's listening for the first fucking time. They're just the first time they're like, what is wrong with this? Talk about ball sex. And he likes Andrew Jackson. The hell is wrong with these assholes?

That's the beginning there, in case you don't know. Jimmy, once in a while, completely accidentally says something terrible while meaning something not terrible. Entirely different. Entirely different. And that's known as an Andrew Jackson moment where he accidentally channels the former president who was not known to be a tolerant man. So let's find out about that, actually. And actually, his intolerance is what started this area. Really?

Yeah, because as this is what they wrote back then, quote, as a security measure and a way of easing land hunger, land hunger. The United States adopted a national policy of Indian removal. A policy to get the fuck out? Which sounds like there's a bunch of dead Indians and you're just removing them to make the place more inhabitable. Rather than live Indians living with their families and doing things that they've been doing for long periods of time. And you deciding that you wouldn't like them to do that anymore. And because of your land hunger, you instead would like them to do that anymore and because of your land hunger right you instead would like to take all that shit that's pretty much what happened there

this is an interesting three second rule i've been on this land three seconds it's mine it's mine now well in this it says a policy of indian removal essentially trading lands in the west acquired by the louisiana purchase for those held in the East by the tribes. That's not a trade. No. That's like, I'll take your Mickey Mantle rookie card, and I have a 1987 Jody Davis, so you can have that. You have my Pat Tabler, and I'll have your Willie Mays rookie. That's what that is. It's not the same thing.

Pat Tabler. I don't even know who the fuck that is. The a fantastic reference it's a it's a long story why i remember that guy but pat tabler from the 80s he molested me jimmy's that tabler never molested me i promise you i've never met pat tabler but he wasn't indian's infielder and a terrible one and uh he wasn't bad he was serviceable i mean he's not a terrible one. He wasn't bad. He was serviceable. He was decent, but the baseball card ain't worth a dick. No, it's definitely not. It's not worth the weld he's got.

No, it's not worth all that damage to his nutsack welt and all his fears. But this was the, to quote, trade. You guys can have Oklahoma and shit like that, and we'll take this stuff where shit grows. How about you guys keep going west you know, Oklahoma and shit like that, and we'll take this stuff where shit grows.

How about you guys keep going west until your children and old people perish? Then stop. Then stop there. Shockingly, by 1835, open warfare erupted. Surprising, right? You wouldn't think that would happen when you try to trade lands involuntarily. You think they started out heading west, and then they were like, there is nothing worth the fuck. We're heading you notice it keeps getting worse i mean i hear it

gets better eventually but not now this is getting worse it's real dry shit's uh it's bad stuff let's head on back and fight these pale-faced fucks yeah well uh and a seminal warrior with a few of his followers killed an indian agent who was uh working for the u.s government that was his official title indian agent a guy named wiley thompson at fort king uh which was uh so uh they killed this guy so the so the u.s army said well let's have a fucking show of force here fuck these little this little band of assholes we're going to send 108 people 108 soldiers to quell this whole thing so they sent it uh being led by a major francis dade and they were ambushed and wiped out except for one soldier yeah one soldier came straggling back hell yeah to to camp there to tell the story

yeah so uh it was pretty beautiful it's pretty fucking badass yeah he got back to fort brook which is uh in present day tampa to tell of this ambush and having 107 people wiped out by a much smaller force was wiley like uh somebody's nephew they were like we gotta give him a job you know i'm sure he was yeah make up a make up a title he was like that guy in casino that did the slots remember and he's like i's like, I don't care. I don't care if either you were in on it. You're too stupid to know what's going on. Either way, you're out.

He's that guy, basically. And they were like, ah, for Christ's sake. He got butchered by the Indians. Well, I don't have to take care of him anymore. He was really getting to be a burden. Right. So, yeah. So this was the beginning of the Second Seminole War.

This lasted from 1835 all the way to 1842 so seven years of fighting in florida that's a long time which is a long time it was a lot of guerrilla warfare the seminals uh just they were really into guerrilla warfare obviously they were outnumbered and uh out equipped and so they held their own seminals were the largest group of indians and i hate calling them indians doesn't that? Yeah well then some of them are they say this they call I don't know they call themselves Indians and then you go okay well they're this Indian tribe

so you respect that and you want to call them whatever the hell they call. I just feel like a piece of shit calling them Indians. The man wants to be called Muhammad Ali god damn it we should respect his wishes and call the man Muhammad Ali. You've never seen Coming to America that's your fault for not understanding that record. You're an idiot. You need that show.

I'm sorry. You need that in your life. You need that fucking movie. So anyway, yeah. So this is a lot of people left. It damaged the economy, obviously, because there was always attacks and there was fighting. When open warfare breaks out in the street,

commerce suffers. It's just hard to feel good and buy shit at that point. So yeah, at this point, the John Houston McIntosh, he was a colonel, Colonel John Houston McIntosh. He had like a kind of a sugar plantation where they also processed sugar. He was big in the sugar industry back then. It was destroyed in the Second Seminole War, all of his sugar works, in about 1837. That shit burns. It shit burns it shit burns yeah it burns pretty good uh there's a bunch of pictures of it you can see it's basically just a plaque

that says this was the sugar works and then like four kind of burnt concrete you know half walls of like that look like there was a civil war battleground that was destroyed uh from the war a lot of burning and shit like that the depictionsictions of this war in the newspapers were what's the word I'm looking for? Racist would be the best way to put it. There's really no other way to put it. They were really like, even if you're racist and you're going, come on, how they were more racist than you're willing to be. I guarantee you'd see him and go, oh, Jesus Christ.

That's wow. That is just excessive. I mean, it was fucking racist real bad stuff uh all of these things here uh uh now they had all of these after the war and everything they wanted people to settle there obviously and uh so they would send send pamphlets places up north anywhere close where they think someone would want to move to florida they would send pamphlets out saying any you know move here cheap land they do it now in florida they still beg people to come there they sent out shit saying that in 1885 they would donate a lot within the residential area to quote any settler who would build a house of a certain

value so that's it you build a half decent house and you can have the plot of land you say no sticks and and and no sticks yeah i think that's also i'm sure there was other uh other considerations too i'm sure there was bribery and uh you know what religion are you exactly right oh you're episcopalian i'm not sure we're i'm a baptist and this one he's who the fuck knows what the hell ever gets along with each other and has enough money yeah who knows what was divided but they had circulars printed and distributed throughout the north promoting come to mcintosh here uh by 1895 they had a doctor a postmaster a western union a church a meat store yeah gotta have a meat store jimmy uh a school a drug store, an ice house for the corpses, obviously, a millinery shop, the Macintosh Hotel.

They had a Christian mercantile store, which everyone needs in their town. Second we get into town, two things I look for. I look for the dry goods store, like I talked about, and the Christian mercantiles. Where can I get my Christian mercantile? I'm usually looking for the wet goods store and the meat store. And then the Christian mercantile. You know, before you go back to the Macintosh Hotel, you need to stop at the mercantile store.

Is it Meat Shop? Is that what it was? Meat Store, they called it, which I think that's a butcher shop. Sounds like a gay bar. It does. Somehow, though, Meat Store sounds worse than butcher, which is way worse. Butcher's a verb. Like, that's a meat shop.

Store's exactly what it is. It's a fucking store full of meat. The butcher is a, that's a horrible thing. That's a thing a guy does. You call a serial killer, he's the butcher. It's like, that's a scary, so fucking weird. They had a Masonic call because, you know gotta have to have that uh yeah the town was incorporated by an act of legislature in 1913 and they built town hall which has not changed since then

and looks like a double wide trailer perfect it's the size of a double like it's the size of like a triple wide trailer yeah but it's just this like manufactured weird little building that what year was it 1913 and they're like we don't need to improve it it's fine uh yeah it's it's a goddamn mess uh it's super historic this town in 0.70 square miles which is the town they have 68 sites listed on the national register of historic places in 0.7 square miles so that's pretty much everything in the town is historic, and that's what it is. That's why it's a step back in the past, because it's just nothing's changed since the 30s, is what they say, which, like I said, that sounds a little frightening.

I'd like to see it, though. You know what I mean? I'd still like to see the town. You have seen the town, actually, Jim. I mean, I'd like to visit it. No, no. You've seen the town in detail, and I'll tell you why in a second here and the most exciting thing about this town but uh resident review of this town normally i like to find

something that's you know someone who hates the town because that's more fun it's a blast everybody likes this town that reviews it i'd say it seems like just the town council reviews the town because this is the this i found the most positive one the most full of shit one that somebody on the take wrote here uh it is it's very full of shit you'll see what i mean quote mcintosh mcintosh is straight off a hallmark card love my town and the memories i've made here stop by and relish in the coziness who speaks like no people don't speak like that and then the closer every face is familiar and inviting. No, no, that's that. You hired a marketing company to write.

That is exactly what you did. You said, yeah, come up with a slogan, a step back in time. Work on our reviews on all the websites. Really fucking spruce us up, guys. That's what they did. Five stars. Yeah, obviously. 1991.

Why I said you've seen it is because Macintosh hosted, this is exciting because we've talked about it a lot, hosted the filming of the movie Doc Hollywood. Oh, shit. So you've seen this town. Yeah, I have. That town of Grady, Missouri, was it or whatever? Was it? Is that what it was?

Grady something. They tried to say Missouri? Who the fuck knows? It was Grady something, but it's actually this town. If you've seen it, Michael J. Fox, he fucking crashes and he's stuck there and all that shit, and he has to be the doctor. And this is Michael J. Fox. This is not his fault.

This is pre, you know. The shaky stuff? Pre where he might have been a little shaky on the steering wheel, let's just say. This is an actual accident that was not his fault. He crashed. They had to make it up in like Missouri or Mississippi or somewhere. wheel let's just say this is an actual accident that was not his fault he crashed and they had to make it up in in like missouri or mississippi or somewhere because it's got to be on the way from dc to beverly hills right so he wouldn't go to florida that would be no reason to go all the

way down why are you driving the whole coast what's happening to you here maybe he needed to clear his head yeah but no he had to get out there there was a time frame uh people in this town small town uh population is 461 uh which is up 12% since 1990. Now, we know exactly who's moving there, too, based on these statistics. The median age here, normal in the country, usual, regular, is 37.4. Here it is 59.6. Holy shit. That is fucking old.

That's 22 years older than the average. That is bonkers. We've never come close to that. We'll see like 45. Wow, there's got to be a lot of old people. 60. That means for every baby born in this town, there's a 120-year-old man or woman. That is fantastic.

For anybody that's in their 20s, there's somebody in their fucking 80s. Somewhere in their 80s. There has to be. It's crazy. The 60 to 84-year-old demographic is off the charts, over double the national average. It's even high for Florida, which is the coroner's waiting room to fucking begin with. So it's even old for there. That's dark.

It's not. It's true. 59.6 is the average good god the coroner's waiting room is very similar to like death

you know what I mean like death's front door I just see like death coming out with a sickle and just grabbing you don't even get to die on your own

you have to wait in the coroner's waiting room when you're on your last legs and then you die and they drag you into the fucking to get looked at sitting in their coffin come on grandpa it's like hold on holy grail left like holy grail like

no no it'll be stone dead in a moment just throws his father on the pile uh so uh female population is 61 and a half percent it's usually about 50 50 maybe 51 percent female so that just shows how old it is because you fuckers always outlive us now sure household size which we never talk about but we have to here because it's relevant is uh normally it's 2.63 people per household in the u.s here it is 1.76 so not even do old you move down there and someone dies off and you probably you push on until you're 147 years old. Married population is more. It's a little bit higher than normal. It's 55%.

Single with no children, usually about 10%. People are single with no children. Here, 0.00%. Any single person has a child. They have children if they're single, which is fucking bonkers. You know it's one of these towns where just old people are giving each other stds like crazy oh god yeah passing shit around uh race of this town excessively white uh 93.3 percent white is there even a reason to talk about the others 0.0 percent black in florida that's a step back in time, all right? Way back in time.

0.0% Asian. I don't know. 0.0% Native American. What the hell are they? The trading's all done. Shop's closed. All finished trading now. Got enough blankets.

Yeah, 6.69% Hispanic is what we have here. So just pretty much white. It's just Duggar family. Picture that. That's the just duger family yeah picture that that's the town uh so uh 50 uh 35.4 of the people here are religious uh which i mean who the fuck knows because these people are so old they might have forgot they believe in god like where do i go on sunday shit i don't know uh i guess i'll watch the dolphins i don't know they met him so they don't have to pray to him so yeah the the buccaneers are on i guess i guess i worship uh who the fuck is their coach now i don't know they don't they fire people all the time

i'm gonna worship jamis winston of that i don't even know if he's even playing anymore he had a problem recently it's a long story we'll catch up with that on crime and sports. That's some other venture. Uh, some other time. I met that Jesus once he absolved me of all sins and I don't need to pray anymore. I'm all good. I was there when he died.

Point 1% Jewish in Florida. So that's, that's way low for Florida. Obviously. Uh, it's, uh, you know,

not very religious here. Apparently 41% voted Democrat in the last election, 57% Republican. That's a lot of old white people. Not a shocker there. Unemployment rate is about average, because old people don't count in that. Household income, usually it's about $53,000 is the national average here. It's about $46,000, so not too far off, actually. Here it's about $46,000, so not too far off, actually.

The jobs are retail trade because it's a quaint little town to drive through, and health care is like double because everyone here is $150,000. You're either elderly or caring for an elderly person, I feel like, if you live in this town. Cost of living, $100,000 is overall regular normal average. Here it's $98,000, so it's kind of right on the money, except for housing, which is about a 45. Median usual home cost is 216. Here it is $94,000. So it's pretty low. A lot of houses worth under $60,000, about 20% of the houses.

So not a very high-end real estate here. There's some. But if we've convinced you to take a step back in time, we have for you the Macintosh, Florida real estate report. Your average two-bedroom rental here is about $1,020, which is high considering how low the actual house costs are. I found one house here. It's a three-bedroom, one-bath, 800 square feet. It's kind of lifted up off the ground, I don't know, so the fucking gators can run underneath and not into your living room.

I have no idea what the reason for that is. For gator crossings. It's a gator crossing we got underneath there. It's a breezeway for the gators. It's $65,000, though, for this house. I also found a two-bedroom, one-bath, 1,040 square feet. It's a little bit better. I mean, it's not horrible, but it still needs some work.

$135,000. Two-bedroom, one-bath. Yeah, it's a weird thing here. And then I found this place here. You want to stretch out a little bit. Four-bedroom, three-bath. It's on 10 acres of Florida. here you want to stretch out a little bit four bedroom three bath it's on 10 acres of florida so how many deadly animals and insects and everything else you own is insane that's a lot

of swamp that you have uh two it's 2961 square feet it's a big house to uh four uh four hundred thirty nine thousand dollars this little slice of florida steep it seems a little steep it's a lot of florida to own here things to do uh we have the friends of macintosh which is a benevolent non-profit organization which uh basically they say they encourage friendship community spirit and understanding among people of all ages in macintosh this is like the hundred year olds to try to i don't know just integrate them with the rest of the population that is a positive word that sounds like an insult benevolent yeah it really does sounds really really vicious yeah i'm benevolent toward you if someone said that angry you'd be like well shit sorry what i do to you you know it sounds like a word that goes right in front

of cantankerous yes you benevolent cantankerous son of a bitch. I'll tell you what. In October, there's also an 1890s arts and crafts and antiques festival there, which, yay, sounds wonderful. Holy hell. Anything antique, I'm out. 1890s style, yeah. I like seeing the shit when it's in somebody's house I know. That's cool. That's an antique walker. Tell me a story. I don't want to when it's like in somebody's house. I know. That's cool. That's an antique.

Tell me a story. I don't want to walk around with other people looking at antiques. That's the problem. The antiques themselves aren't the issue. It's the people that are hunting for them who suck. They suck. You know what, too? I don't feel bad about the ball sack and all that stuff. The seemed humor and all that shit we were doing before because there's no commercials

this week. Enjoy that. Instead of commercials, you get jokes about a ball sack and all that stuff, the seemed humor and all that shit we were doing before because there's no commercials this week. Oh, enjoy that. Instead of commercials, you get jokes about a ball sack. So it's something you're not sure that you want to hear, but we try to make as entertaining as possible, just like the commercials. We try to throw a joke in there, something goofy. So there you go.

And tell you a story about an object that we believe in. We don't like to give you ads about things we don't like or use ourselves. One thing we don't like to do is anything that's like a medical thing. We don't want, I feel like, dick hard pills. We're not going to help you get your dick hard. Like, that's not our job. We don't know if that's, we don't know anything about them and we're not going to fucking say this is good for you and dress this into your body and have it change a part of you.

Like, we're not doctors doctors so i don't feel like we should be advertising that it's awfully weird to be like hey how's how's your dick doing how's that after we just how would we do the ad that's missing how would we start the ad out too that's the other thing just gonna take a quick break to tell you about dick hard pills hey jimmy your dick been a little floppy lately i know you've been complaining that your dick's just not quite what it once was so uh i got something for you here what are we gonna put on a fucking sketch all right never mind so uh i don't know there's a lot of people that pay good money just to hear that that might be a good ad that might be pretty funny maybe we should do it crime rate

in this town yeah we're interested in here uh property crime is right at average normal uh violent crime murder rape robbery and assaults the mount rushmore of crime is right at average, normal. Violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and assault, the Mount Rushmore of crime, is just above average. Maybe about 10% high, but not much. 10% high? That's pretty high. That's a little high. I feel like maybe the old people forget that they're not allowed to hit each other. And then they start beating on each other, and then that's how they die.

There is a video online of old people fighting that is fan-fucking-tastic. I've seen old men fight. It is great. But I'm so worried that one of them's going to fall and break their hip. I'm like, oh God, don't fall. Don't do it, sir.

Don't, Jesus Christ, don't fall. Like, when they're standing up boxing, though, like an old man throwing a punch at another old man is... It's pretty awesome. It's a beautiful sight. It's really art. It's really art.

They know how. Oh, old men know how to throw a punch. You had to know how to throw a punch. Back in the day, if you're walking around in the 40s, at some point, someone was going to punch you in the face and you need to know how to fight back. That's all there is to it. Whether it's your dad or some stranger on the street. Men go their whole lives without. And we're taking this down to men because this I don't know about how women are.

I don't know. We're guys. We know about this. Don't fight. I don't want to watch. I don't want to. I don't like. I know that sounds misogynistic. We can fight and buy you guys are great at it you

seriously skilled fighters yeah yeah fuck yeah skilled I still I don't want to watch a woman get beat up I don't like it no even if it's by another woman I'm uncomfortable I've been raised to not want to see women get beat up and I'm uncomfortable watching women get beat up is that does that make me a misogynist somehow it does I don't understand it I guess I'm uncomfortable watching women get beat up. Does that make me a misogynist? Somehow it does. I don't understand it. I guess I'm an asshole. Look, Cardi B's a pretty tough bitch, and I don't like watching that video of her fighting.

No. It's horrible. And she is annoying. And I still don't want to watch her get beat up. But then I feel bad because, like, clearly she's special a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's something wrong with her. She's a little special, right?

There's something. There's got to be. Like, when I listen to her songs, I'm like, is this a make-a-wish? Seriously. You're like, did they let her in the studio on a make-a-wish? Like, she was just like. Are they doing this for real? Yeah, like.

Is this a real attempt at being a musician? Because I'm thinking about the engineer listening to it. He's got to be going. Because, like, engineers hear lots of people. And they probably had talented people in there that can sing and can rhyme or can do all these different things and are good at it. And then he's probably like, what the fuck? Are we serious? What are we doing?

Is she sick? Is she? Oh, is she? Oh, okay. No, you're doing great. You're doing great, sweetheart. No, that's. Yeah.

Tell me. Yeah. Yeah. Texts. You can just make that Texas and that's fine. We're okay. We're okay with that. Everybody's fine with that, right?

That's how we say it now. Yes, it's okay. You're okay. Here's a bunny rabbit for you for after. What the fuck is happening? Hurry up. Iggy Azalea's got the studio next. Jesus Christ.

I don't even. Anyway, so let's talk about it. That's another one that's terrible. Is that? Oh, dear Christ. There's a lot of shit in the world, Jimmy. It is is that wow oh dear christ there's a lot of shit in the world jimmy really it's it's there's a lot of crap we tried we did we did we're giving a shot now we hear all the shit we don't try anymore i'll try i'll try it goes maybe this is good nope nope still not good shit damn it what happened to when women could sing great

well women can still sing great there's a lot of them but men can sing great women can sing great a lot of people can sing great they just don't have to now because they everything you're running it through a fucking computer anyway and everything you say everyone sounds like a robot so it doesn't matter whether you can sing or not it's almost a hindrance if you can sing it sounds worse like a robot if we robot them up it doesn't sound as good somebody Somebody take her outside, kick her in the throat. She'll sound great. Then we'll make it a robot, and then it's fine.

You can go in there, and they'll make you sound great. So anyway, let's talk about a murder that we are going to have a hard time making sound great. Fantastic. It's tough. That little run was your commercial. So instead of commercials, you got jokes. Eat dicks if you don't like it.

Moving on. Iggy and Cardi B stink. Yeah, and she's not good. So I'm sorry. Objectively, she's jokes. Eat dicks if you don't like it. Moving on. Iggy and Cardi B stink. Yeah, and she's not good. So I'm sorry. Objectively, she's not. I'm sorry. You know, like, listen to fucking good music and listen to her and you're like, no. And I don't give a shit what the genre is.

Any hip hop. Listen to, put on fucking Illmatic, Nas, and then tell me that that's as good as Nas. Just in terms of lyric. It's all gone so far downhill. Well, because it's more about dancing i don't know what happened because it's about dancing is that what it is yeah because you can't sell albums you don't make money unless white girls buy your albums and white girls don't buy your albums unless they fucking heard it and dance to it and they want to fuck you and i've talked to rappers have told me that so shut up that's not a fucking that's what they Like, you guys sell music to white girls.

That's what fucking makes money. That's where the that's where the profit margin is, they always say. So whatever. Anyway, let's talk about some people here. Let's talk about a white girl, a girl named Heather Strong. Yeah, let's talk about her. She grows up in Mississippi. It doesn't.

It's it's interesting because there's not a lot about her family life, but it doesn't, it's, it's interesting cause there's not a lot about her family life, but it doesn't seem like it would have been terrific based on what her decisions that she makes. Uh, at the age of 15, uh, she hooks up with a guy named Josh Fulgham, uh, also in Mississippi. They're both 15 years old and they date and have a, just a real fiery back and forth, break up and get back together teenage relationship. School relationship. You know, like you do when you're 15 and you don't know what you're doing with a relationship. You break up, you get back together. Real Eminem and Kim.

It's real Eminem and Kim. And it's very similar because also by the time they are 18, they have two kids. Oh, my God. And they continue just, you know, being teenagers, breaking up, getting back 18 they have two kids oh my god and they continue just you know being teenagers breaking up getting back together having two kids so this is a kind of a it's kind of a messy situation and heather is a nice girl too heather's a good girl like a good kid she's a young lady when she's 15 she's good in school everybody says she's really nice she's really polite she does she goes along with the shit her parents make her do like she's not a she's not a real rebellious

like you know i'm gonna go out and run away all the time and do all that she's not that's not the type of kid that she is yeah uh the only problem that she has is she can't stop being with this josh fulgham asshole who's not like her he's just kind of a schmuck and we'll talk about him and exactly what his his issues are in a few here but uh he's not good for her and uh and that's a hard life if you're 18 and you have two kids with somebody and that's rough man trying to make the best of it and well and people fight through that shit and they do great by it but it's a hole to start out in let's just put it that way you're way. If everyone else is on equal ground, your head is sticking up out of that ground

seeing their feet going, shit, I'm behind. Because it's just hard. Right away, you've got an extra mouth to feed. When you're starting out, whether it be work at a job and you're trying to work your way in so you can work for a little bit of money to try to work your way up the ladder or whether it's to start your own business

or whatever the fuck it is, it's harder if you have to have an income and health insurance because you have a baby so that makes it yeah so that makes it really a lot a lot 40s it was a lot easier it seems like because you could go to the doctor and be like yeah what is that six dollars i'll pay i'll pay a dollar a week for the next sure no problem you can't do that now now it's that'll be four houses worth of yeah i was i know you were here for 15 minutes but that's seven hundred thousand dollars no do today it's yeah or else we're taking your house to start else we're taking it down to the coroner's waiting room and you can that's how that's people who can't pay their bills treating you they stayed on that that By the way, for sure the name of this episode is The Coroner's Waiting Room.

There's no doubt about that whatsoever. But these two, they're together and they're trying their best. By their early 20s, they say they want to make a break from Mississippi, try to start over. And you know what? Maybe they feel like this is 2003. Maybe they feel like a fresh start is what they need because it's familiar surroundings and who knows if they've broken up,

got back together, and they were teenagers that have had kids. I'm sure there's family bickering and this one doesn't like this one and they fight and I don't like this boy. Some of these parents blame the other kid. Exactly. So whenever there's a mess,

it's somebody's fault inside everybody's mind. So and Heather's kind of the nice one. So they're all looking at Josh. And this is probably Josh's idea. Put it that way. So however this goes, they end up saying we're making a break. We're getting the hell out of Mississippi. We're going to go somewhere.

Let me ask some Heather. You ever seen Doc Hollywood? Have you ever seen Doc Hollywood? Now, hold on. Hear me out. Hear me out. Now, I know it wasn't Michael J. Fox's fault. me ask something heather you ever seen doc hollywood have you ever seen doc hollywood now hold on hear me out hear me out no i know it wasn't michael j fox's fault what no fucking he ran it ain't his fault we got two kids i know a place where you can pay medical bills in pigs and pigs they don't mind they don't the mayor dresses up like a squash and girls pee in the woods to keep the hunters away. It's fantastic.

They treat tummy aches in Coca-Cola. You're going to like it. I'm telling you right now. You're going to go. You can just walk in and go, oh, I'm feeling sick. Here's my pig. And then they'll just take it. And they give you a Coca-Cola and you're on your way. Next time you get pregnant, pig in a Coke and have that baby like nobody's business.

Don't mess around with all these. Pig in a Coke. That is a hell of a medication. I'm not messing around all these it's a pig and a coke that is a that is a hell of a medication i'm messing around none of this bills and you got full insurance forms and oh my god no way trade your pig for a coke here's my pig and oh i get a coke with that medical treatment man this is a good a good ass day right here exchange rate right here i got a medical treatment base he gonna pull the baby out and everything for a pig and he gonna throw coke in the coke's for me you just sit there and push that baby it's all good so we could split all right fine you can have a sip if you want i know you're probably

thirsty all sorts of things coming at you down that side but i'm thirsty too suck your spit off the rim yeah you can do that come on pick that up now so they moved to marion county florida which is the county we're in here and moved to the mcintosh area uh the the the actual uh site of what ends up happening is is just outside of town but it's in like an unincorporated area that's not whatever but it's based around this town and this is the main area that the everybody's around for anyway so uh they while they're in florida they moved there in 2003 uh shocker it doesn't solve all their problems just like everything that people try to just immediately solve a problem it's still the same people and yeah we'll do no no no we're gonna go on a vacation one week we're gonna go to hawaii we're gonna get back everything's gonna be better and different entirely same people people same people

now you fucked on the beach more that's it you fucked while you heard the ocean and then you went back and fought more that's the only difference that's it we're gonna have a baby it's gonna be nope you know what that is more stress now so you have to be you have to be to have a baby your relationship should be so good it can take a huge hit. That's where you should be. You should be at the point where you're like, I love you so much. If you sucked five guys' dicks, I wouldn't mind. That's the level of stress that the baby's going to cause.

At least I'll eventually get over it. One baby equals five dick sucks in terms of relationship stress. I feel like that's the formula. Silly Christ. Face done, small done. I have never been in a good relationship stress. I feel like that's the formula. Silly Christ. I have never been in a good relationship ever. That's fucking funny. I would have murdered all of them for it. Yeah, see?

That's what happens. That's what happens, man. Not just them. I'll murder those five dicks, too. God damn it. Everybody's going down. That's kind of what happens here. This is a mess, Jimmy.

Now, in 2008, so they last five years in Florida of the same shit, fighting, breaking up, getting back together. Now with two kids, not living near their, his family lives in this area. Hers lives in Mississippi. Gotcha. So he moved her away from her people and so that's what it is yeah and so now it's jesus for her this has to be a just a fucking disaster this is a mess for her we'll find out what her job is here in a minute too her life is not easy

we'll put it that way she does not have an easy life and more power to her she she tries her her ass off to to do what she needs to do and provide for her kids and all that, but the personal relationships really make it difficult here. So they do this for five years in Florida, on and off, on and off, on and off. Finally, in June of 2008, she decides she's had enough,

and during one of their separations, she decides that Heather Strong decides that her and the children are going to move in with a friend of theirs. A friend of her and Josh's. A guy. Oh, boy. A guy with not a couple. A guy with a couple of kids. A single guy with kids.

A single guy with kids who's a friend of her and Josh's. With her kids. With her kids. With her kids. She's moving out. Okay, this obviously is going to solve everything, too. Josh is going to have no problem with this because he's, I'm sure, a real reasonable guy. I'm sure he seems like a mature young man. He's, you know, everything that's been going on here.

The plan is, for all public and private consumption here, that she will be the live-in nanny for benjamin mccollum's two children yeah she's going to move there in an exchange for a place to stay with her kids she's going to watch his kids yeah uh within three weeks yeah they're fucking of course heather and benjamin are that's a lot of pornos start that's that's the problem it's and that's just they're young people and they're they're animals put in the same cage together. And so they're going to reproduce. It's just the way that's how they get animals in the wild to reproduce. It's just humans. It's humans.

We're animals. That's just what happened. They put them together. This is what ends up. Plus, I mean, Jesus, she's been in this terrible relationship since she was 15 fucking years old. If this guy's not a complete douchebag, she's probably like, thank Jesus. Somebody else. You took your shoes off before you came in the living room. For the love of. if this guy's not a complete douchebag she's probably like thank jesus yeah somebody else

other than took your shoes off before you came in the living for the love of before you laid down in bed never mind came in the living room this is what i mean like the uh plus for her i mean imagine being in the same she's in her fucking 20s imagine for 10 years you've been in the same goddamn relationship with this fucking loser right good god so i came home from a hard day's work benjamin is actually he's a hard-working guy he has an auto shop that he owns and stuff and yeah he has like you know shit together he's got his shit together sort of i mean you know more than josh does by far so and for him i don't know he's a single guy she moves in with her two kids it's you know what the hell he probably likes her yeah there's a nice looking woman too she's nice she's she's pretty

by all uh accounts she's smart she's you know sweet there's nothing wrong with her she's a nice person uh so what the hell here so they get together uh josh fulgham shockingly not okay with this oh he doesn't like the arrangement no he doesn't even know they're fucking he doesn't even like the nanny arrangement never mind he he assumes he's got an inkling because if it was him he'd be fucking and we know this and this is what's funny too because he's upset and this is what i don't get he's upset that she moved out they're having problems yeah he's upset she moved out and is now living with somebody else even though he is also having an affair with somebody else oh for people we'll call they're not married or whatever i don't know i think an affair is a little too highbrow for this situation he's fucking around with somebody

else and by the way he has impregnated this other person so he's got a pregnant side chick and he's mad at his you can't do that at his ex-girlfriend for living with someone in a for all public knowledge uh relationship nor not for all public not all public, not a non-sexual relationship. Oh, that's a good point. A platonic relationship for all to digest. He doesn't like that because obviously he's got something going on, so he feels he knows. What is that? Is it a past?

A lot of times when people are super jealous, it's because they're fucking around and because they know the thought process. I would assume. I mean, they're just do they feel like that? I don't even know what that is. People who are liars and scammers like are afraid people are lying and scamming them all the time because they're thinking they're always lying and scamming people. It's one of those things that I want to be duped.

Yeah. Nice people generally aren't like on constant thinking everyone's trying to scam them because they don't think that way because they're not trying to scam people yeah that's kind of just how it works i don't get it i don't understand being mad at somebody when you're doing the same when you're doing way worse that's what's insane you've already knocked you would think he'd go shit cool now i don't have to explain to heather how i knocked another girl off exactly this is perfect yeah fucking a good deal done deal i don't know yeah because that was going to be a tough conversation oh by the way i know we've been having problems and all uh have you met amelia and by the see that that's mine so this is let's get together it's not regular beer that's a baby that's

a baby uh and it's amelia carr is her name the woman he is having an affair with and has impregnated uh she is the uh there's three kids in her family she's the middle child all girls so uh definite uh jan brady situation going on here uh she's very smart uh she's very intelligent her psychologist says she her iq is about 125 so that's well above average at the age age of 15, she has a rough childhood. We'll talk about her family because when we say rough childhood, we think like usual abuses and things like that. This is next level right here in terms of what this would do to a person's psychology. And it's one of those things like we just talked about when you're scamming someone, you think whatever. If you have experience with that, then you're on a high alert.

So she will talk about what her personality turns into this because of this. But at the age of 15, she reports to her school that she has been abused by her father. OK, which is not her fault, obviously. She within a couple of days withdraws her statements and says that she made everything up within a couple days okay so we don't know whether she did make it up or maybe she was then you know put you know scared by her parents into retracting it we have no idea how that we can't judge that we just don't know that's terrible it's a terrible accusation it's our we hope it's not true obviously i hope nobody's yeah we don't want anybody true i don't want that

either no that's horrible that's what i mean the whole thing is either way it's not great uh yeah if she's if she made it up why and if not then holy shit poor girl so uh this this gives you a little more insight into her family though in 2004 february of 2004 to be exact amelia carr's father was convicted of this fucking insane of attempting to solicit the murders of his daughters and his wife oh my including amelia so he was attempting to to hire a hitman to kill his entire family wow i'm trying to question in my head does that mean he did it or like or he's mad yeah or he's like how dare you accuse me of that dirty shit i still didn't do it i'd rather be a murderer than a child molester i don't know which is true i would be too yeah you're much better off yeah at least if you're gonna go to prison if you're a murderer

maybe you'll get some goddamn respect at least least you're not going to be beat up by everybody there. And I don't know that I wouldn't try to kill somebody that accused me of that dirty shit. Not your daughter. I'd want to get her help. I don't know. I don't know. I might take her out. Clearly, if she made it up... That's a horrible accusation.

If she made it up, clearly she needs help. There's something wrong with her. You don't hire... And what do the other two daughters do and this is a good point for the love of christ this is some collateral damage yeah a psycho if she made that up a psychiatrist has to be cheaper than a hitman right i would think so um we'll find out hope so we'll find out later how fucked our medication medical science is it what is Medical care? That's the word. Yeah. Yeah, that's the one.

Medical science? What am I doing? I don't know. You're out of your mind. I know least. Oh, my God. So he's convicted of attempting to solicit the murders of his entire family. So he's sentenced to prison for this, which you would think you'd get a lot for.

Yeah. You tried to kill three children and your wife. That seems like... You wouldn't want to throw for that. You would think so. He gets sentenced to four years in prison, which is almost worth it. If you want someone dead bad enough,

that's almost worth... Hold on a second. So if it works, they're dead, and that's what I want. And if it doesn't work worst case scenario four years in prison i don't know that's kind of shit florida you're you're a nutty fucking place almost almost worth taking up stepping up and taking a swing at that one you know what i mean well fuck it i might not be able to hit it over the wall but what's the worst that could happen i think i could do four years standing on my head that's what i mean that'd be like you know that

the halftime shot at a basketball game for a million dollars and if you miss you owe him 20 bucks you know but if you get it it's a million dollars you're all set now shockingly cars uh amelia has some relationship troubles and good god if your father maybe abused you and definitely tried to have you killed you might be an untrusting, or not even untrusting, you might have some relationship issues. Not of your fault, I would say, at that point. She's married twice already, by her early 20s, and also, we'll find out by the time she meets Josh,

she already has three children. Three children, 24 years old three children and another one on the way and they're all with different people including josh and it's just uh she's had a lot of relationships and a lot of them are are violent and fiery because i mean who knows like i said her background this girl never had a chance no with that as her father and how old is josh at this point he's you know 27 uh 27 i think in 12 2004 when this is going on he was younger he was like 23 i want to say kids now he's well he's got a third on the way by 2008 so he's in his mid-20s but he's got a third on the way but it's obviously he can't

afford any which is another issue yeah uh he's not exactly you know living the light in the lap of luxury and providing for these kids. Gainfully employed. No. Well, we'll find out, like I said, where Heather works. And it's crazy. Amelia has already been married twice. One of her relationships ended when she filed a restraining order against one of her husbands for domestic violence, which, again, that sucks. Then she had some trouble with the law.

Some very Florida trouble with the law. Some some very Florida trouble with the law. This is a Florida crime right here. This doesn't happen in Cleveland. No, I doubt this is ever. I would love if anyone out there works for the Cleveland Police Department and you have access to records and you can check stuff out. See if this is ever, ever been prosecuted in the city of Cleveland, as opposed to probably happens twice a week in Florida. This is fucking insane. She is charged for her involvement in her ex-husband's scheme of grand theft of exotic

birds. What? What? They live in a town that is 0.7 square miles. Grand theft of exotic birds. How many could possibly exist? What birds? Were they trained?

Yeah, they tried to say the N-word. I'm going to steal me a meth falcon. You just send him out. He gets meth and brings it home back to you. I'll tell you what, boy. It's something else. Drops it. Drops it. The code word is the N-word. Code word. You heard that squawking? He knows that. Meth's coming. meth and brings it on back to you i'll tell you what boy it's something else drops it drops it

the code word is the n-word you heard that squawking he knows that meth's coming he gives it back you hear that you hear a bird say the n-word you just hold your hands out he's gonna drop a sack of meth right in your hand boy that's how you know meth falcon i don't know what else would you steal the very green yeah that's thing. It's a meth falcon. Jesus Christ. It's tropical. Very tropical down there. It's very beautiful.

Orange beaks and shit. It's fucking some Fruit Loop shit going on. She, at this point, she is charged and put through the court system and is sentenced to two years of probation. Wow. So, between theft of a meth falcon and trying to kill your whole family there's really not that much of a difference yeah two years probation four years in the joint he probably did like you know two and a half and got out i mean you know jesus christ this is not much difference are there stipulations on that probation like you got you gotta stay 50 feet away from any

exotic birds no bird stores no No going to the zoo. You're not allowed at the zoo for at least five years. You have to go register at all the zoos so they know you're there. Jesus Christ. Can't even watch cartoons with birds in it. No. If a commercial for Froot Loops comes on, you got to change the channel. You got to change the fucking channel.

I don't care if they got a new flavor. Fuck that. They're a new color. They all taste the same, but I still won't eat the blue ones. I don't care if they got a new flavor. Fuck that. They're a new color. They all taste the same, but I still won't eat the blue ones. It doesn't matter. This is a mess, obviously. So, yeah, she's had a very Florida life. Husbands and father trying to kill her and theft of exotic birds.

It's been very Florida for this poor young lady. And now she's got three kids and she's uh a bunch of them one of the kids that she has is with an ex-boyfriend uh one with each husband and one with this ex-boyfriend that we're going to talk about and then the other one with josh fulgham who is heather strong's ex what the fuck it's it's a lot it's a lot and we'll talk about it it's it's a lot to sort out we're're gonna call her uh three kids and three kid exotic three kid meth falcon so three kid meth falcon is amelia carr here uh three kid meth falcon her one of her kids is with an ex-boyfriend named jamie akome and we'll talk about him because he weaves his way into this whole thing like a like a virus as well uh wow

so june 2008 is when heather strong moved out with the kids to be the live-in nanny for Benjamin McCollum. Right. We talked about that. Okay, that's before. Now, so that is Heather Strong, the one from Mississippi who does not have three kids and does not have an exotic bird thing. She has two kids and did not try to steal a meth falcon. Now, June 2008 is when she moved out. try to steal a meth falcon okay now uh june 2008 is when she moved out by the way when she moved in with benjamin mccollum uh you know that josh had a problem with it because he stalked and

harassed them uh for six straight months uh up until november he stalks and harasses them repeatedly threatening them both with a gun by the way too this isn't just like calling them up being like you're an asshole this is like they come out of the grocery store and he's there with a gun talking shit to them. What the fuck? He's a crazy person, this fucking Josh Fulgham. This whole time, by the way, he's got a pregnant girlfriend. Yeah. So what are you doing?

What the shit? You know? You got a life going, man. Just go do you. Go do you. Get paid in pigs and move the fuck on, man. The hell, bro. So, November 2008,

this is, you know, five months and change after Heather moved in with Benjamin. Josh Fulgham, who's been stalking them for six months even though he has three-kid meth falcon there on the side who is pregnant. Out of nowhere, he stops stalking

and harassing Benjaminjamin and heather because he proposes to amelia to three kid meth falcon opposes to amelia proposes to amelia car probably opposes her too but proposes to amelia car in november of 2008 and she accepts to get have her third husband also uh which is interesting. This whole time, by the way, this is the fucking bonkers part. Okay, now, this is how enmeshed all these people are. She is now, okay, well, let's start with Josh. Josh is now not stalking Heather and Benjamin anymore because he has Amelia and they're pregnant and he's engaged to her.

benjamin anymore because he has amelia and they're pregnant and he's engaged to her right okay uh during this whole thing even during the time that josh was stalking and threatening uh heather and josh heather and benjamin uh amelia three kid meth falcon was babysitting uh heather strong's two kids this whole time was she was fucking josh and babysitting his kids for his ex-girlfriend who josh was currently stalking and threatening with guns how do you heather comes over you know your husband could you tell your boyfriend to stop pointing guns at me the fuck is going on now I'll be back from work in about three hours. What the fuck is this? Florida. Unbelievable. This is Florida, Jimmy.

Thanks, Florida. Thanks, Florida. You're really doling out a good one this week. Yeah, you are stacking it up, guys. I hope you have your worksheet out to keep track of these relationships, because they get more complicated, I'm telling you right now. Good Christ. It is, in a hilarious way.

So anyway, so like I said, Carr fucking talks. She's like friends with Heather, but also her fucking, her boyfriend who's mad at her. The whole thing is bonkers at this point. Now, according to all their friends, everyone that knows them,

Heather Strong was very happy with Benjamin McCollum. Sure. Was happy with their new life. They're together for months now. Things are going well. This guy is gainfully employed and everything is going well. This is kind of what she wanted, okay?

So, December 26th, 2008. This is the day after Christmas, obviously. This is like today. Yeah. Exactly 10 years ago today. I was just over the feeling of what's today's day? 10 years ago recording right now. Out of nowhere, Josh, who is now engaged to Meth Falcon.

Right. Out of nowhere, marries Heather Strong. No. Marries Heather Strong. How did he even pull that off? His ex-girlfriend with the two kids that was living with benjamin mccollum marries her wow so what the fuck right this is insane uh just out of nowhere marries her went to amelia one day and said i need that ring back literally i need the

ring back and then went and married wow with the fucking same. Same ring. With the same ring. What an asshole. This is fucking bonkers. All of their friends were like, huh? What? What the fuck? They're like us. What? Huh?

Pardon? Everyone in their car just went, wait, no, I got to rewind that. He didn't just, they didn't get married. No, no. Certainly. The ones you're saying they didn't get married, they're broken up. No, they got married. Yeah. He stopped stalking her for a month and then they just, I don't if christmas you missed him christmas i mean does that what it is is it

christmas do you get together to exchange the kid shit and then no that's never made me in my experience that makes you happier no that makes you more glad i got out of this yeah so this is fucking so weird um at this point she heather tells friends that she loved Josh the whole time and she didn't know what she'd do without him and all that sort of shit. So she married him. And then Amelia is beside herself. Meth Falcon is beside herself because now she's pregnant with this guy's child who she thought she was engaged to. And now he went and married his ex-girlfriend. What the fuck?

So this is absolutely bonkers. So you expect now the ceremony should put all the bad feelings to rest. They had seven or eight months apart. Yeah. You know what I mean? Now everything's going to be nice like it was in the beginning. Everything's going to be. All they did was fuck on the beach, James.

It's all it's going to be, man. This is going to be fucking all over Tampa. Yeah. Pushing old people off of benches to fuck on them., James. It's all it's going to be, man. This is going to be fucking on all over Tampa. Yeah. Pushing old people off of benches to fuck on them. They're still the same people. God damn it. This is going to be terrible, isn't it? Well, let's find out.

Six days into their marriage. Six, six fucking days into their marriage. Six days from today. Yes. Six days from now. It's in your anniversary of this. Exactly. Josh is arrested for threatening heather with a shotgun during an argument they're married for six days

they've been back together for six fucking days i want to know he's threatening her with a shotgun during an argument a shotgun did he pull it out and like aiming at her did he like say i'm gonna go get my shotgun he had a shotgun he was a shotgun around, which he's known to wave guns around. He's done it before with her, but they didn't report it to the police at that point because they were just trying to get away from him. Yeah. And now this time, I guess he really, really fucking scared her. So she actually called the cops and he's arrested because you can't threaten people with fucking

shotguns, especially not your goddamn wife. Yeah. So not cool at all florida florida by the way who is this josh fulgham yeah that these who is this this casanova yeah who can go romeo from fucking woman to woman and get this one to move out of a relationship after he got this one who is this magnet this fucking lot fucking Lothario of a chick magnet. Who is he? Well, let's find out who Josh Fulgham is.

He has an IQ of 81. Oh. 81, Jimmy. Touch of the Cardi B. Yeah. He's down in Cardi B level. Special. Yeah.

He's very special. Yeah. And expert. this is amazing people that he was examined by doctors and uh they say he has brain damage this is in addition to his 81 iq yeah this isn't causing the 81 iq uh is cognitively impaired yeah also not good what does that mean uh he's not good at putting shit together yeah he's not good at like processing things and like you know you got to give him specific a to b instructions you can't say do this and this and if this happens then do that and maybe if that happens work on it think you got to be like go here and put this there then call me and i'll tell you what to do from there you can't

tell him go take a shower and put your pajamas on because he'll come down soaking he'll come down like yeah like in the old bill cosby joke i hate to quote a bill cosby joke but it's a good joke he'll come down with his pajamas stuck to him soaking wet with suds in his hair you'd have to say then dry off and then dry off but with this guy you couldn't tell him that many steps you'd have to go go get the shower, and I'll tell you to dry when you're done. And then once he's dry, you go, now put your pajamas on. Pants, then shirt. Yes, both. Underwear first.

Underwear, not on the outside. And I say this not to make fun of him, but because the expert who examined him said that, and this is a medical- Is that really a Bill Cosby joke? It is. It's about his son coming down. You have to tell when he's alone with the kids and you have to... They're fighting at bath time and he's... The reason I said this is because I've seen a comic do that joke and I thought it was a different comic.

Wow. No, no, it's Bill Cosby. I don't want to say the name. It's from himself, as a matter of fact. It's a very famous comic. 1983. I don't want to feel like an asshole. Well, guess what? That's fucking a dead Ennis he's talking about, as a matter of fact. It's a very famous comic. 1983. And I don't want to feel like an asshole. Well, guess what?

That's fucking a dead Ennis he's talking about, you dumb fuck. Take it easy, Jay Moore. That's a... Oh, no. Jay Moore, it's a rapist talking about fucking Ennis, man. I'm sure he does it much differently. But still, it's the premise. Exact phrasing.

I think we've all seen himself. Moving on. At least comedians. Anyway. the premise. I think we've all seen himself. Moving on. At least comedians. Anyway, an expert, a medical expert said in a panel and a group of other people who are educated and went to

different schools for things that 81 IQ, brain damage, cognitively impaired, and quote, barely knows what's going to happen next. Oh no. Barely knows what's going to happen next. Oh, no. Barely knows what's going to happen next. That's a medical doctor.

That is a medical professional told people. That is awesome. This is what's wrong with him. He's got this, this. He barely knows what's going to happen next, which is pretty fucking stupid. Yeah. And so why are two women willing to let you impregnate them because it's a man's world what the fuck apparently so that this is bad come on these

are two intelligent yeah like reasonably whatever women who are somehow drawn to this fucking guy and he's not a he's not a real like a handsome you look at him and go oh shit well yeah look at him he looks like a fucking he doesn't look like anybody that anybody would fuck unless they had game i don't know how he's got game because he barely knows what's going to happen next he can't say i'm going to say this and get her to do that because he can't put those thoughts together he lives in the moment man so if you are single uh what the fuck is wrong with you yeah because you should have him figuring it out move to Florida and you're going to have it made. It's all laid before you. So this fucking relationships, this is crazy.

So he's actually arrested, Josh is, for the shotgun assault. Like we said, she actually calls the cops. He's charged with assault with a deadly weapon. So that's not, I have a shotgun and I'm thinking about using it. I'm going to point a shotgun at you and say I'm going to kill you with it. Assault with a deadly weapon, and he remains in jail for several weeks because he can't afford to bail himself out, and probably for the best that he cools off in jail.

But during this time, so he goes to jail. And now let's recap quick. Was engaged to Meth Falcon with three kids there. Breaks up out of nowhere, takes the ring back, gives it to Heather. They get married. Six days later, he pulls a shotgun on her, ends up in jail. While he's in jail, Amelia, Meth Falcon, continues to visit Josh, or starts visiting Josh in jail, and they rekindle their relationship so well i know this one's shit over what the hey how are you hey oh hey

that's a well you got oh it's white around your ring finger. Still, I could get a ring for that to cover that. Hi. It's wide around your finger. I see you've been out in the sun. I see a tan line. That is a healthy reminder of why I'm here. Whoops. Yeah.

So that's a whoops. Yeah. So this is super weird. So at the same time, both Amelia. yeah so this is super weird so at the same time both amelia now even though somehow by the way even though he broke up with meth falcon yeah and married heather during this time amelia still watched the kids he's she still watched the kids this is crazy talk so meth falcon still watched the kids then josh goes to jail now, Heather's not visiting him, obviously. She's upset with him for pulling a shotgun on her.

Jesus Christ. That's not something you have in your pocket, either. You've got to go get that. You've got to get that. He went and picked that up out of a closet or something. We've got time to rethink this. Or this guy might just have it laying around with kids crawling around. Who the hell knows?

Brushed a baby off. Come on. Get away from the shotgun. you ain't old enough for that yet so not only is wow uh not only is amelia still talking to heather and watching her kids when she needs her to while josh is in jail but josh's mother also still talks to Heather like everything is fine. Okay. Yeah. So these two, Amelia, Meth Falcon, and Josh's mom try to get Heather to write a letter to the prosecutor to mitigate these charges and say it wasn't that bad. He didn't know this was going to happen. It's like he barely knows what's going to happen next. He doesn't know and, you know, all this shit.

And he thought you pull shotguns and then people do what you want he didn't realize cheese comes out the other and then that's it and then you eat dinner then it's dinner time gonna spray her with crap so yeah something like that so uh also they're doing a little more research into the case as the police do a little more research into this they find out that that that Heather's mother, Carolyn, tells the police that three years ago, Josh called her back in Mississippi when she lived in Mississippi and Josh and Heather were in Florida. Josh called Heather's mother, Carolyn, and tells her over the phone that he has Heather tied up, has duct taped her mouth and stuffed her into the trunk of his car quote so alligators would eat her alive i don't think he understands how trunks work unless he put gators in the trunk he put him in the trunk i put her in there with gators and they're gonna eat her no do you think that's the equivalent of putting like yeah medication in the cheese and

feeding that to your dog the dog just stuffing it in there here you go there's the equivalent of putting medication in the cheese and feeding that to your dog? To the dog? Just stuffing it in there. Here you go. There's no pill in there. Yeah. These gators eat Monte Carlos. Gators are known to love Fords.

They only love domestic vehicles. If you put a Japanese car with a lady in the trunk, they won't eat it. Put your ass in the trunk of this contour. An American car. They just spit out the headlights and eat everything else. That's it. Can't digest them headlights for some reason. They're like corn.

It's weird. It's like corn. They poop out whole headlights. It's real weird. Oh, Jesus. So, yeah, that's his whole thing here. Also, Benjamin McCollum, they talked to him, the one that she was living with, obviously. McCollum, they talked to him, the one that she was living with, obviously.

And he says that Josh had called his house and his automobile shop, both of them, threatening to kill both him and Heather. Oh, and for good measure, burned Benjamin's shop to the ground. So he's been very, very nice guy. He's been very busy. That's what I mean. He's hooking up with other chicks getting pregnant making phone calls threatening people with he's got a lot going on for a guy who barely knows what's gonna happen next he does a lot of shit like he does more than i do yeah and i know

it's pretty i have a pretty good idea it's gonna happen reasonably soon in the future so i don't depending on my actions anyway i mean other people's actions it's to them and i don't know what's gonna happen there but. I mean, other people's actions is to them. I don't know what's going to happen there. But I do know that when you pull a shotgun on people and they call the police, you're probably going to jail. That's probably what's going to happen next. He didn't put those together, as a matter of fact. Heather's cousin here, Misty Strong, she says that this relationship has always been a mess with Josh. And Josh has always tried to control Heather. She says, quote, it was all about control. That's what it always boiled down to with Josh, and Josh has always tried to control Heather. She says, quote, it was all about control.

That's what it always boiled down to with Josh, which makes sense. Now, Jesus Christ. So eventually, Heather decides to, the charges drop when Heather decides not to cooperate with the police anymore. She's had enough of this. Of this whole thing, yeah.

She doesn't want to do it. They wonder why. They wonder what changed her mind. Was it Josh's obvious charms? I mean, was it that? Was it his? Did he put together a dissertation of reasons, a reason to count of why this is a good idea? I doubt it. Instead, we find out that she dropped the charges because she was tired. Heather was tired of dealing with the whole situation because Amelia Carr, at seven months pregnant, threatened Heather Strong by putting a knife to her throat. Wow. And tried to get her to fucking force her to withdraw the charges. She became so enraged by Heather's refusal to help that she pulled the knife out held grabbed heather by the hair pulled her head back and held a fucking knife to her throat there's a baby in there that's some gangster

shit to grab a woman by the ponytail and pull her head back and hold a knife to her throat that is some like mexican mafia woman like fucking giselle de blanco shit like that's some cocaine cowboy craziness no who the fuck does that that's amazing that's some crazy shit the only thing that saved heather in this particular situation was somebody there to grab amelia in a reverse chin lock or in a chin lock and pull her off of heather with the knife and that was the father of one of heather's children or one of amelia's children james akome who we or jamieome, who we've talked about. So this Jamie Acome, who has previously had a child with Amelia Carr, now pulls Amelia Carr off of Heather Strong as Amelia holds a knife to her throat.

Well, he's been with her, so he knows her disarming technique. He knows. He goes to grab her, and then she drops the knife. He knows her secret safety valve button. What the fuck? This is incredible because jame jamie also by the way james is uh also friends with josh fulgham and heather strong and everybody they're all friends with each other now uh jesus christ was was the girl from the crafts character

in the water boy uh loosely based off of amelia i feel like it's possible yeah too bad it happened earlier maybe amelia loosely based her life on the girl from the water or from the water boy off of Amelia. I feel like it's possible. Because she's very familiar. Yeah, too bad it happened earlier. Maybe Amelia loosely based her life on the girl from the water, or from the water boy, which is probably not the best person to... Don't forget her name. I do too, because she hasn't been in a movie

in fucking 20 years, probably. I think the water boy was her last movie. Probably. She went off into the sunset with a raspy voice, and that was that. She's the water boy in the craft money, and she's fine now.

Fuck this. I'm out of here. I don't need you people yeah hollywood didn't get rid of her she got rid of them like i've seen enough i've kissed adam sandler i've seen the other side of hell thank you i'm going back i took a bite out of an alligator and was in a scene with lawrence thomas i'm moving back to minnesota lawrence taylor yeah, Lawrence Thomas. Who the hell is that? Jesus Christ. You're going Lawrence Phillips and Lawrence Taylor. Jonathan Taylor Thomas. Is that what you were going for? I don't fucking know.

Thomas? Thomas. Who knows? I know exactly who else he is. I would hope so. So, Jesus Christ. Jesus Lord. It's at this point.

Jesus Christ, this is insane okay it's at this point uh that amelia decides well i you know fuck i can't i can't you know do this myself obviously i got my ex-boyfriends pulling me off of her when i try to hold a knife to her throat which is frustrating for anybody so she gets jesus christ she gets she gets a comey the guy who pulled her off her ex-boyfriend, father of one of her children. Amelia gets him in a room with one of his friends and has a proposal for them. Yeah. OK, now I know you pulled me off, Heather, but what if you guys kill Heather and I'll pay you?

Yeah. Gee, is this hereditary or what? The fuck? Yeah. She knows that the sentence is only four years. Yeah. She's like, fuck it. I mean, what's the the worst that can happen that's for trying to kill children right you know fuck this lady this is an adult uh the what does she offer for this service this is a pretty hefty service to kill a mother of two yeah that's a lot you're asking a young lady uh i'll trade you a

my best my prize meth falcon my you say the-word and he'll get meth from anywhere in the state. Tell you what. She offers them the princely sum of $500. Not a piece, Jimmy, to split. $500 to split between them. That is amazing. $250 a piece to kill an an adult human being mother of two children wow is that the going rate i don't think so i think it's more i think it's more i don't think

she knew what the rate is on the street because they said no thank you i will pay both of your nfl ticket this month yeah what is that sunday ticket this year on me fellas for each of you not just for one of you i will pay half your car payment for one month what do you say to take the life of an innocent mother of two if you both snuff her out in her prime own place i will pay upwards your utility bills i'll do it i'll do it. I'll do it. And you know what? In the summer when the AC's running. You go crazy on that AC one month.

I'll pay it. Turn that window unit and crank it. I'm good for it. Wow. They said no, shockingly. You'd imagine that's a very attractive proposal. They said no. So Amelia's determined, though.

Amelia, one thing about Amelia, when she gets something in her mind, she does not let go. She's a dog with a bone. She wants this shit. So she tells another friend, another friend of hers. Now, what you want to do too, when you want somebody murdered, you want to tell as many people as possible usually. You got to really carpet bomb that information. You got to tell everyone

because no one will tell on you ever. That's the thing. No one will ever tell on you. It's just all confidential. When you're talking about murder, it's confidential. Everyone knows that. Some really trusting friends you got. Wow. She tells another friend of hers.

Now, this is three people she's told. And she tells this friend, not even offers the job to this friend. She tells this friend, do me a favor. Put the word out on the street. Don't do that. Put the word out on the street that I'm looking for someone to kill Heather Strong. So put it out. Tell a friend.

Ask a friend of a friend. Whoever you know. Hit the dark web and then, you know, send out a black market telegram. No dark web. Just go out to the bar and ask people if you know anyone that would kill Heather Strong. Just go down to Heather's and just open the door and shout it. Anybody want to make a couple bucks on a murder? And how much money is she offering?

A couple bucks. 500 bucks. She didn't even up the offer. She just said, tell it 500 bucks on her head. Anybody want? People are like, I'm not killing a lady for 500 bucks. She also says i'm good for it because no one here has any money so they're like how am i going to get my 500 bucks i

assumed that's the other thing she thought that people would not uh wouldn't trust her to pay the 500 bucks so she says i am good for it i'll pay the i'll pay the 500 bucks out of my income tax return so it's fine. Your payday is going to have Lady Liberty right there on the check. Whoa. What the fuck? So she's going to use her tax return. Well, at least she's putting it to you.

She's not just going to piss it away. She's going to kill a rival lover, a rival of her future ex-fiance's wife, I guess. I don't know. That is pretty good use. That's really stretching your dollar. It is. You're trying to get your money's worth. She's low-balling out there.

She's looking for a deal. There she is. It's like, come on, guys. Something for President's Day, maybe? You got a sale? You got anything? A Martin Luther King Day sale around here? Can we get a martin

luther king day assassination mother of two murder sale is that possible didn't he have two kids i feel like he had two kids and no no he'd be fine with this yeah he was all about hiring hitmen to kill mothers of truth yeah no it's good i don't know i spent 800 at a strip club with my with my tax return so this is probably that not recent no 2003 okay i was gonna say i couldn't see you doing that yeah around this time this is 2009 you were even past spending 500 on something better than whatever george bush was gonna do with my i'm sure at the time yeah who the hell knows so oh my god so at this point while this is going on words out on the street and he she's James Acome to kill Heather Strong and he rejected it.

Heather Strong moves on. She breaks up with Benjamin McCollum. I guess too much pressure from, well, you know, her breaking up with him to marry Josh. I guess he moved on from that. So she needs to find somebody. So Heather Strong begins a new relationship with who? James Acome. What the shit?

Do these people know anybody else? They're the only people who aren't 90 in the whole fucking area. And they're all just going to fuck each other. Because we're not 90. Holy shit. You're not 92? Great. Impregnate me, please.

How does James not go back to her and be like, yo, listen, we got to get the fuck out of this town. She just offered me 250 right in the head she offered me half 250 to clean to fucking kill you to open you up so be nice to me because there's always 250 on the table baby that's what else is pickup line i said no i said no so she went my hero and hugged him so he gets him. So she drops the charges or has them dropped or whatever. So Josh Fulgham gets out of jail, moves in with his mother immediately, while Heather moves in with James Okome. Of course.

So she moves in there. And at this point, Josh and Heather have a battle over custody of the kids now. Now, Josh won. Slam dunk. I would figure after you pull a shotgun on the mother, it's probably you're not going to get custody. I would hope so anyway. So on February 15th, Josh has a plan to talk to Heather. He says he tells his mother to get custody of the kids.

This this is fucking wonderful. He on February 15th, 2009, he asked his mother to quote help him compose a letter another he was just writing the same one over it keeps coming out fucked up i can't write b's i'm just not the the it's the tourney part really hurts me i can't get the straight i'm good with the straight line yeah the other two parts well i keep trying to write heather but every time i draw this h i i pick it up and it's an eye this is crazy i can't figure out what i should put next it's like i barely know what's gonna come after h he's too easy he's too easy it's too easy and he's a total asshole so it's perfectly fine to make fun of him.

That's what's great. He's such an asshole. It's like, no, no, we're not making fun of stupid people. We're making fun of this particular stupid asshole. He is an idiot. So, uh, wow. Uh, no, he's doing this because he was told, Josh was told by Amelia meth Falcon that, uh, car told or jesus christ he's told by amelia that heather

has said that she is taking josh's two kids and moving back to mississippi which you know is a lie because when you leave mississippi you don't go back no one goes i'm going back nope i'm free i'm free i've had enough of all this sunshine and fun. Not voluntarily, anyway. So he needs to get this letter. So the mother composes the letter for him or helps him compose the letter, we should say. Now, February 15th, that same day, Heather receives an emergency phone call at work. Where does she work? She's had it rough.

emergency phone call at work where does she work she's had it rough ex current husband father of her two kids pulling a shotgun on her where she just pulled got out of a relationship that she was happy in to reignite and now she's with this other guy she's having a tough life she works at the iron skillet restaurant inside of a truck stop oh my god i thought i couldn't get worse yeah if you don't know what an iron skillet is, it's exactly what it sounds like. It's a truck stop restaurant. It's like a no frills Denny's. Put it that way. It's a step down from the Waffle House.

There you go. And it's inside of a truck stop. That's where she works. Grease on everything. In Florida. So her life is not great. Not just food grease. This is a truck stop. Just truck grease, food grease. Axle grease. She's living on the. In Florida. Yeah. So her life is not great. Not just food grease. No. This is a truck stop.

Just truck grease, food grease. Axle grease. She's living on the seam right here. Right on the seam. This is like she's dancing on this thing on a daily fucking basis. She receives an emergency phone call about her children. Yeah. So she has to leave work because something's wrong with her kids.

So she takes off. Who does she receive that emergency phone call from? Yeah. Amelia Carr because that's who's watching her kids. Oh, off who does she receive that emergency phone call from yeah amelia carr because that's who's watching her kids so but still by the way even though she is trying to hire people currently to to kill her and holding knives and holding knives to her throat insane right so uh josh's mother uh last saw uh on this day heather and josh in the car together with josh driving which seems like a bad idea uh pulling away with those two in the car from Josh's mother's house.

That's the last she sees her that day. Later that evening on February 15th, James Acoma returns from work to their apartment and finds that Heather and the kids are gone and all their shit's gone. She's moved out, apparently. And he's like like what the hell happened and then he he finds out what happens when josh fulgham calls him on the telephone and says uh hi uh yeah you notice all their shit's gone that's because me and heather are back together so fuck off uh don't don't bother calling her she doesn't want to talk to you we're back together we're a family again now so eat dicks dude uh go away but before he hung

up he said me and heather are back together hey that shit rhymes oh yeah by the way she's moving did i mean to what why'd i call you who's this what number did i dial you called me asshole uh problem is oh yeah heather and together rhyme that's right together whole problem is heather doesn't show up for work at the Iron Skillet the next day. Heather doesn't show up to pick up kids. Heather doesn't show up to do shit. For how long? Heather is gone for nine days.

For nine days. And she's not, Pop doesn't come back in nine days and be like, oh, that was a tough nine days I just had. She's just missing for nine days. It is nine days before anybody calls the police to report her missing which seems like an excessive amount of time to wait for a normally responsible mother of two yeah uh that's gone missing uh it's because uh josh tells everybody that they got back together and she just doesn't want to talk to anybody and so they kind of they just act like oh i guess that she's you know josh again and then after nine days

finally her cousin misty yeah says fuck this shit on february 24th misty yeah that's very that's a florida name she has blue eyeshadow i guarantee it it's blue they all have blonde hair blonde hair blue eyeshadow and bangs that stick up in the front and they dye it blonde the down and then the up that that if it was at one point, it ain't today. Well, part of it is. The underside of it is. The roots. The roots, about three inches from the scalp are, and everything else is blonde.

So she contacts the Marion County Sheriff's Department on February 24th and reports Heather Strong missing. So now there's an investigation. Clearly, there's a missing woman here we're going to investigate. So now there's an investigation. Clearly, there's a missing woman here. We're going to investigate. Obviously, they want to talk to Josh and to Amelia because Josh and Amelia are in a relationship and Josh was the last to be seen with her. So they want to have a chat with these two.

Where are the kids? Yeah. Well, the kids. Don't worry about the kids. The kids are fine. Okay. Kids are fine. Heather's missing on her own.

No, no, no. Heather's missing on her own. Kids are good. Kids are there around. Amelia's got them. Amelia's got them. The kids are fine. Okay. Kids are fine. Heather's missing on her own. No, no, no. Heather's missing on her own. Kids are good. Kids are there around. Amelia's got them. Amelia's got them. The parents have them. Kids are fine.

Okay. Amelia or Josh doesn't have them now because the police are bringing them in for constant questioning because they're a little bit worried. First, they say, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. I talked to Heather. She signed this document for me saying that I have custody of the kids, and then that was it. That's the last I saw from her. I don't know. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about i talked to heather uh she signed this document for me saying that i have custody of the kids and then that was it that's the last i saw from her um i don't know i don't know we don't talk that much because you know she had me put in jail for threatening her with a shotgun and that sort of shit and you know amelia same shit i don't know

anything about it problem is over the course of the next few days when you talk to people over and over again they'll start when they're trying to get out of guilt shit they'll start giving like well you know i don't know josh might have seen her it's possible and you know i think maybe amelia might have talked to her this time like trying to sort of incriminate the other one as far as i think maybe you want to talk to him about that or you want to talk to her about that uh and amelia thinks she's getting away with the whole thing problem that she doesn't understand and doesn't know is that josh's sister has agreed to cooperate with the police and shocking enough obviously amelia is close with josh's sister and tells her everything and has no idea that all of their conversations are recorded this is the you know amelia is not in jail. She's out on the street.

She's calling Josh's sister, talking to her. Josh's sister is recording every conversation, which is, you know, that's damning a little bit. Because they put together, based on these phone calls that Josh and Amelia plotted to kill Heather, obviously, because they were mad about her. Amelia's gassing Josh up about her moving the kids. And she was like, now if she moves the kids, that means you won't be able to see them anymore. That's what happens next. They're there, then you can't see them.

She had to explain A to B, and then he was like, oh, shit, really? That's true. Shit. All right, well, shit, let's get her. So that's the plan here. They say that what they think is that Josh lured her to a location and that they killed her there. That's what they're thinking.

Now, they find out from these phone calls, and we'll talk about the exact details in a minute here, but they find out that from these phone calls that Heather Strong was lured to a mobile home on the property of Amelia Carr's family. There's a regular house, which is looks like it has fucking been abandoned for 80 years. It's a fucking alligator shack. And then there's a mobile home they use for storage in the back of the property, which must be way fucking worse. It's not even inhabited this fucking thing. they lured her in there josh telling uh josh told heather that uh he had some money in there yeah and that he was going to give it to her uh for some reason he was going to give her this money but he had it hidden in this trailer and then amelia's amelia had it in there and he was going to steal it or whatever the fuck it was. He was trying to act like he had her in on a plot or whatever.

Problem is, once Josh and Heather walked into the trailer to find this money, when they walked in the door, Amelia was there. And so Heather was like, oh shit, last time I saw this chick, she held a knife to my throat. And also, this is weird because no one said she was going to be here. Now she's here in an isolated trailer. You know, she gets her fight or flight kind of gets up and she tries to take off. By the way, Amelia, seven months pregnant, fucking been super pregnant, too. She's she's showing.

I mean, it's there's no doubt she's pregnant. You can see that shit from a satellite. So car or Heather Strong tries to leave the trailer right away. And apparently Josh wrestled her back inside, uh, during all of this too. Uh, uh, while he's wrestling with her, uh, she breaks a window with her arm, uh, just trying to fight and flail. She, he's trying to wrestle her into a chair. She's so scared.

Heather is that she pees her pants during this whole thing. They scare her that badly. That's how frightened she is of these crazy fucking people because she's not like them. She's just not. She's not like them. She wouldn't think, I'll pay somebody $500. She'll just think, I'll go to work at the Iron Skillet

and I'll come home and I'll try to take care of my kids and have a relationship with whoever I'm around. Whatever the fuck it is, she's trying to have a life. And these two are lunatics. I mean, in this story, we haven't even heard of her once having a weapon, which she by this never does. Fucking should. She probably should.

Yeah. If there's. Yeah. If that fucking what's his name? Shot that kid down there. Yeah. George Zimmerman has one. She should have one.

So anyway. So, yeah, there ends up they wrestle. Josh ties Heather to a chair uh in the trailer yeah and she manages to escape yeah uh because he's not real good yeah he's doing like bunny ear loop swooping pulling shit and he's like loop swoop shit she just pulled the one thing and it came right out. Rabbit run. We do. From the tree. Go through the hole. Wait, hey, get back here, bitch. Come on back here. Damn it.

This is fucked up. So, obviously. He's singing songs. Yeah, trying to do it. And this poor woman is fighting for her life. So, he then grabs her, holds her back down in the chair. And Amelia uses duct tape to tape her body and hands and legs to the chair. God damn it.

So duct tapes her to the goddamn chair while Josh held her down. Obviously Heather is crying and begging to be released and asking why are you doing this? You know, standard fucking questions when two people who you just want to get away from are trying to murder you. You have one nothing to do with

and all they want to do is fucking murder you. They said, and Josh says, you're going to take the goddamn kids away from me. You're not going to do that shit. And Heather's going, I don't know what you're talking about. And she's going, he's going, yeah, you do. You're going to give me custody. He whips out that document and makes her sign it

while she's duct taped to a fucking chair. Sign this letter. This is the letter A. This is just an A. Shit, I left the other one at home. Damn it. Wow. Wow, this is horrible an a shit i left the other one at home damn it wow this is horrible this is fucked up uh it's at this point that uh amelia says and this is all from the recordings and so you know this is just amelia's side to somebody else this isn't whatever the gospel

it's it's it's true in what happens to heather but who did it is the who did what and when is the yeah part that's a little the responsibility yeah that we'll talk about amelia tells the sister that josh broke the flashlight that uh amelia was carrying uh when he used it to hit strong in the head with it oh fuck man and by the way that's the only source of light there too so now it's dark it's like he barely knows what's gonna happen next it's fucking idiot so when i break this over her head this shit is dark dead and we can go wait where did everybody oh shit who turns i guess it's time to sleep he just lays down and goes to bed nap time like a parrot it's a trick that amelia learned when she was dealing with exotic birds

so this is fucking dark man so they hit her with a flashlight and i'm literally and metaphorically here and uh he then she says uh amelia says that josh then placed a plastic garbage bag over heather's head and car pulled off enough enough duct tape amelia pulls off enough duct tape to wind it around her neck. So she's got a plastic bag duct taped around her neck. Apparently, though, it wasn't she wasn't dying fast enough because, you know, it takes a minute for someone to suffocate like that, you know, with there's some oxygen in there and all that sort of thing. So they speed up the process and she gets frustrated. Ameliaelia does so she tries to break

car's neck she said she says she didn't really try to break her neck but she tried to break her neck and it was a lot harder than she thought it was gonna be she's like i've seen seagal movies where they're just just with two hands pow and they fall right to the ground just limp and dead and i tried that shit and it just didn't work that's a lot of jackie chance sneak up on all kinds of looks yeah it's done apparently she just got her in a chin lock and was cranking her head and uh not breaking her neck because seven month pregnant people i'm sure don't have the strength to break a young healthy woman's neck dear christ this is a fucking nightmare this doesn't work so then somebody uh car says on the phone that it's josh but then we'll find out later we're not sure about it somebody holds fucking heather's nose closed with one hand and covers her mouth

with the other hand fuck while she's in a plastic bag duct taped all that to to speed up the process after can't even move she can't even move she's been hitting the head and tried to break her neck she has no idea what's even fucking going on. She has not invited this. This is not, this is fucking insane. This is what crazy people do. This is crazy shit. They apparently killed her, obviously.

And two days later, she says, Josh returned to the trailer and took out Heather's body and buried her in a shallow grave right behind the trailer wow they left her in that chair for two days in there for two days and then they went back and got her yep and fucking buried her in a shallow grave right behind the trailer jesus christ insane here so they have tape recordings of him of her of amelia talking to josh fulgham's sister i gotta use pronouns here or else we're gonna get lost uh. So this is her whole detailed account of the whole thing. She also tells she tells Josh's sister that she was going to tell the cops that Jamie Akome and his friend who she offered five hundred dollars to. But they refused that they were responsible for the murder.

Yeah, that's what that they were responsible for the murder. That's what she was going to tell the cops, is what she said. But to the cops, she already implicated Josh. But she's trying to snow the sister into thinking that she's on Josh's side. This is fucking crazy. Well, it's Josh's sister. It's Josh's sister. She doesn't want her to think that she's against her family.

Exactly, yeah. So this is fucking nuts here. That's some shit people that have 125 iq do that's yeah as opposed to ones that are the 81 iq that don't manipulate much they just go i don't know okay fine so she originally told the police amelia did that she hadn't seen heather since january and uh then she said that she had information about josh and he said she said that she started out with i haven't seen and then she said hey josh might have seen her and then she said about josh and he said she said that she started out with i haven't seen and then she said hey josh might have seen her and then she said okay josh told me that he killed her like that that was her progression and then it went from that to well we have tape recordings

and then it was well i was there but i was didn't do anything and i was exaggerated my thing and blah blah blah i exaggerated my role uh so then she admitted uh because after that she then changed it to i know josh killed her because then he took me to see the body and that's when he buried it then it went from that to okay i was there when he killed her but uh you know whatever and then finally she just says fine i fucking helped him but he forced me and all that kind of shit so she really went down every step of bullshit. She lied every day, basically, until until all the information was out and she couldn't lie anymore.

She's horrible. Yeah. She says finally, she said, OK, Josh called. Amelia tells police that Josh called her at the time and said whether she whether she was still down with what they talked about. They had been talking about a plan to kill Heather. And she says that she thought Josh was joking around and wouldn't actually go through with it.

So she said, yeah, sure, whatever. And then she says, next thing I know, Josh shows up at the house with Heather. And that's when I knew it was for real. I guess so. She said that they were ridiculous. I thought he meant he was going to come over and I was going to look at that world and tell him that was a normal scene.

That's fine, Josh. Your mom told you, your doctor told you. That world is supposed to be there. You're supposed to be over this when you're eight, Josh. What's going on? Yeah, so this is fucking crazy here. She tells the story totally saying that it was all Josh. And she even, Carr even beefs up the details by telling her things that Heather was saying

and that she was begging for her life and all that sort of shit. So she was really trying to put it on Josh as he's so cold-blooded. Because she said that Heather was crying and saying, Josh, why? And asking Amelia for help. But Amelia couldn't help her because Josh was in a rage. He's a nut. He's a nut. cold-blooded because she said that heather was crying and saying josh why and asking amelia for help but amelia couldn't help her because josh was in a rage he's a nut and he was yelling that at heather saying because you're trying to take my kids and they're my kids and you're not taking my kids so uh yeah this is fucking insane so uh obviously uh obviously by the way they arrest josh and amelia both they're like let's just figure this out later and arrest you both once they get all the information.

Josh finally talks here. He finally says that that and for some reason he's so stupid. I kind of believe him a little bit unless it's like a force. Like if it's anything within the first six hours of an interview after that, they could get him to they could. He would admit he's a care bear by six hours in like you could totally snow this guy you could brendan dassey this guy into fucking anything you want that's a verb yeah so he said he said that uh strong wanted to keep the kids based on what amelia told him and that they concocted this whole thing uh before their meeting by the way uh this

is amazing this is a new piece of information josh gives that is fantastic and hilarious before the meeting he said that he was he josh told his mother that he's gonna go meet heather and he's gonna try to get her to give him custody of the kids he's gonna offer her money you know how much money, Jimmy? No. $500. Oh. The $500 that was up to kill her, she can also take it for possession of her children. She can sell her kids for $250 apiece. You know, $500 doesn't buy a murder, but does it buy children? Does it buy two healthy children? Again, they're trying to get a deal.

They're trying to get Walmart murders and Walmart trying to get walmart murders and walmart bargain murders and shit you can't do that shit uh wow he says quote i was taking heather over to amelia's to scare her to sign to sign in that paper he tells them that uh he took strong back there under the premise that there was seventeen hundred dollars in the trailer that they were going to collect and uh he eventually uh says that yes i killed him and i killed her and i buried the bodies and he said that car was also responsible and all that kind of shit uh he said uh you know uh josh says that he asked heather to sit down and talk to him but she tried to get up and leave and that's when car uh came in and hit

strong with the flashlight he claims that she did that and that's when he held her down, and she tried to get up and all this type of shit here. Yeah, the whole thing. He says that Carr duct taped the plastic bag over her head while he sat on her lap. Asshole. He said that he sat on Heather's lap to keep her in the chair while Amelia suffocated her with her hands, which sounds kind of plausible i'm not sure here obviously uh what it is but uh yeah he says the next morning he dragged her body into a suitcase and buried heather in a shallow grave just feet

away from the abandoned mobile home uh he said quote i thought that it was wrong i thought heather didn't deserve that no shit dummy uh wow uh he also admitted now he says that since then he's tried to commit suicide uh it was what he said that's the suicide attempt is what caused him to do this because he heard that his kids were going to get taken to mississippi so he tried to kill himself uh wow i understand so you take my kids in mississippi yeah jesus it's not gonna work out well for him at one point during this interview that's recorded obviously a police interview that's videotaped josh calls his mother from the holding cells and tells her that he just admitted to his role in the murder. And he's crying and telling her that he won't be coming home. And he says, and I quote from the video, quote, I done it, Mama.

I didn't do it by myself, but I done it. I just wanted them children, Mama. That's the reason I did it. He improved. That was impressive. Right? That he showed growth. Yeah.

He showed growth. All the way through that statement. I saw your eyes. You were like, he said did. You looked so impressed with that. that yeah he's good for you you let a man talk a while he'll start saying some good shit he said who says i can't learn uh so they jesus christ they uh he ends up uh saying that he will show them the body if, if, in exchange for something, though. So, I mean, and let's see here. You're going to take them to a location of a body.

So that's exchange for maybe take the death penalty off the table or some sort of you're going to house me close to my family, a prison thing. $500. Or a charge, $500. Even $500 would be better than what he asked for this is what this fucking dummy asked for in exchange for showing a body not a good bargainer here no he asked for a chance to see his mom yeah and a pack of cigarettes a pack one pack of cigarettes 20 class a cigarette 20 class a cigarettes that's it not a carton of cigarettes. 20 class A cigarettes. 20 class A cigarettes. That's it.

Not a carton of cigarettes. Not cigarettes for the next year I'm in jail. Not a pack of cigarettes. And to see his mom for that. I see that's a big bargaining chip that he really should have held on to a little longer, I think, maybe. Could have gotten more out of that. It seems like, it seems like, Jesus Christ. He definitely doesn't know. Those are going to run out of that. It seems like, it seems like, Jesus Christ. He definitely doesn't know.

Those are going to run out one day. It's like he barely knows what's going to happen next. It's fucking ridiculous. Oh, my God. For the love of Christ. They get there, and this is a frightening scene. It's a back, woodsy, swampy florida old abandoned trail it's a horrible fucking place to die it's so scary and shitty and i feel so bad for heather they find her uh

covered in a three foot deep hole covered by two pieces of wood and some plastic black bags so that they use to ward off the flies that That's disgusting. She's partially stuffed into a large zip-up suitcase that she didn't fit into. It's fascinating that they gave a shit about flies. Yeah, well, because that draws attention. Oh, that's what it is. A pile of flies by the ground. There you go.

That's all it was. I was trying to figure out why do they care about her now. To protect her remains. This was to keep off know, keep off attention. Assholes. She's wearing a T-shirt and jeans and one shoe. And we'll find out what happened to that shoe here. This is what they said.

It was a very slipshod burial because, you know, Josh did it. So it's not going to be all that great. The autopsy concludes she did die from suffocation. So that part is right. The prosecutor at this point steps in to talk about this. And this prosecutor has the most amazing name in the history of law enforcement. Yeah. This is their county prosecutor.

First of all, he doesn't even need to have a law degree. He's going to get elected with this name. His name, Jimmy Rock Hooker. You betcha. Rock Hooker, county prosecutor. That's a fucking, that's a television show. You come back every week to watch Rock Hooker put rapists in jail. How you doing him, Rock Hooker?

In the 80s, you'd have been home at 8 p.m. if Rock Hooker was on. You're watching Rock Hooker, man. Oh, Rock Hooker's got a bad one tonight. It's going to be great. He's going to put those punks away. Rock Hooker's the original Dick Wolf. Yeah. All the old people.

Go, you get them, Rock Hooker, those damn kids. You put them in jail. That goes together like Terry Mason. That is beautiful. It's a show about teenagers who kill old people. And Rock Hooker gives them the what for. It comes on right after Murder, She Wrote. And that's the marketing for it. Rock Hooker gives them the what for. It comes on right after Murder, She Wrote. And that's the marketing for it.

Rock Hooker gives them the what for. Tonight, after Murder, She Wrote. I don't even know what the what for is. In the heat of the night, in the heat of whatever that Carol O'Connor show, Archie Bunker show where he's Southern used to be. The what for is fantastic. He says after, Jesus Christ. It's the greatest two words together. It's so good.

Like it by far and away is so much superior to what not. Oh, it is. Give him the what for. The what for is so good. Rock Hooker, Florida gynecologist. He could be anything. Let me get in there and take a peek sweetheart rock hooker could be a florida orange juice maker and i'm drinking it rock hooker juice come get it so i love rock this is a real man

have a sip of rock hooker's juice. This is a real man. Have a sip of Rock Hooker's juice. Have a sip of Rock Hooker's juice. The nectar of Rock Hooker. Tooker nectar. Come get some. I'm in. I will guzzle that. Wow. I will sprinkle emergency in that.

Oh, you know it. And I will take shots. A little bit of sweet and low. So, he says, Rock Hooker says, quote, that's one of the cruelest deaths you can experience oxygen oxygen deprivation is a horrible death which yes it is rock hooker i believe and i'll believe anything rock hooker says but that's actually true now uh yeah sir like we said her story the stories are still going back and forth josh's stays pretty steady because he's not one to make shit up because he's really bad at it but amelia's shit changes like daily he doesn't have the mental capacity yeah he won't remember what he said

yesterday and he doesn't have a plan for tomorrow obviously because he what jimmy barely knows it's gonna happen next so he doesn't have a plan for that shit holy hell so in the uh in the they found a lot of forensic evidence in the grave too they found uh they found a trailer they found from the trailer pieces of duct tape with hairs and uh and duct tape from the office chair and uh they documented the broken window but the duct tape matched the duct tape that was on heather in the hole so that matches her to the trailer so that they're just putting the story together and corroborating everything. I've seen that on Forensic Files where they match the tear.

Yeah, yeah. They'll match the tear. And also there's hairs connected and blood from both because they also said they find blood stain on a piece of tape. That's the thing about tape, James. It's fucking sticky. It's real sticky. Hard to get off. It picks shit up.

It picks everything up. And it locks it right in as evidence. Shit. That's how they used to get fingerprints off shit with tape pull it right off and say look at that there you go so uh they they found a blood stain on one piece of tape that matched heather and then they were also then they were able to match that to a piece of tape on her outside too to match up that so they just match everything up and tape on the chair she was taped to. The medical examiner says also

that they found a thumbprint that matched Heather Strong. They didn't find the shoe, like we said, and that's something that we'll talk about. They also found a bruise, a blunt force trauma to the mid-forehead area of Heather that was caused by a blunt force that was not life threatening. So that was the flashlight in the head.

That was just a good enough shot to hurt her, but not to kill her. Now, before the trial, Heather makes it or Amelia makes there's a trial. Amelia's trial is going to be before Josh's. Now, Amelia in a mission before she's before trial she provides investigators with information that proved her involvement so she can prove her story because she's trying to say their their thing is you did everything and her thing is uh i didn't do everything i did some of this shit so i got to prove the stuff i did do so i can corroborate what i'm saying here right so she gives an accurate description of the blanket and suitcase that Heather was buried in,

as well as a description of the clothing that Heather was wearing when she was murdered. She also leads police to the shoe that wasn't found with Heather in the grave. She says that it fell off during the struggle in the chair when she was duct taping her leg and she threw it aside and they just didn't find it for some reason because it was a mess in there. But she knows where it is. She found it and she knows where it is and gave it to them so she's saying that now april of 2009 she waives her right to a speedy trial amelia does amelia does which is you know she wants processes to go on so she's like yeah you don't have to try me right now we need to make motions and that's so they can do motions and shit

immediately afterwards because now there's time lead prosecutor rock hooker. He steps in again with his nectar, with his nectar. He says, I'm going to sprinkle my nectar all over you and files his, uh, notice of his intent to pursue the death penalty against Amelia. So he's going to sprinkle his poisonous nectar on her,

uh, as about it, uh, which is, that's strong for a, for what's Heather strong. which is that's strong for a for what's heather strong that's strong for a goddamn for a young lady with three kids and who's pregnant at the time too uh he's gonna have four kids by the time this goes to trial uh the family reaction car's mother amelia said that she just couldn't believe it she was really hurt uh she says amelia only did this

she must have been really hurt quote he proposed to her he bought the ring for her and in december he came and took the ring and married heather so he's saying that's the only thing that would have made her go crazy and you know hormones she's pregnant and she went out of control it's not her fault and she was manipulated uh which is you know full shit no she's not manipulated by josh no one's manipulated by josh i don't think i mean she might. I mean, she could be physically forced to do something by Josh, but mentally, he's not going to fucking trick her into anything. There's no mental chess game going on here.

No, no, no. No, no, not at all. Not to absolve Josh of shit, because he was a fucking asshole here. I don't think he could play mental checkers. No. Yeah, he'd be like, King me. We haven't started yet, Josh. You can't have one until we...

Never mind. So, Misty Strong We haven't started yet, Josh. You can't have one until we never mind. So Misty Strong said about her cousin Heather, quote, She was just so kind hearted. She would just keep forgiving him. She was stuck in that same trap of this is my kid's father. And then she said, I guess she felt no one else would want her. She thought it was just easier to deal with him and keep quiet about it, which is fucking horrible. But then every time she's not with him, she's with somebody else. Somebody always wants her.

Yeah, that's a good point. That's it. But either way, you don't need anybody. Number one, you got the iron skillet. Go back to fucking Mississippi with your family if you have to, to get on your feet. Do whatever you have to do. You don't need this asshole ever. And especially if other guys are you're moving into other people's houses.

Exactly. And the iron skillet is likely a chain. You could fucking transfer. Transfer, man. Get the fuck out of is likely a chain. You could fucking transfer. Transfer, man. Get the fuck out of Florida. Yep, I've seen them all over the place. So, wow.

In June of 2009, Josh has the balls to write a letter to Heather Strong's mother. Yeah. Expressing his remorse over her death. And this is his letter, word for word. Oh, boy. I'm not going to change his grammar or do anything. I'm just going to read it. Quote, I do want you to know that i didn't want nothing bad to happen to heather you know how much me and her has been through in 11 years nothing this bad never happened nothing never happened yeah i love we has been we has been through i loved heather and

still do and i have to live with this every day, which has got to be infuriating to get if you're the mother of a dead person who can't live with shit any day. That is crazy that a 20 something year old man's letter sounds like my eight year old's text message. Yeah, that's incredible. That's a grown man's letter to seek

remorse for a dead child. Wow. November of 2010, Carr wants her trial delayed amelia does because she doesn't like her attorney uh the case is proceeding here and she doesn't think her defense lawyer uh who is a death penalty certified lawyer uh who works for the public defender's office she said that she doesn't think she's ready to for the trial uh she says to the judge amelia does quote this is my life uh says, I want to know that my attorney representing me is adequately prepared and ready to fight this. I might not be the attorney, but I'd like to know what I'm getting into with my eyes open, not half shut.

The judge says, quote, she might not be working toward your expectations, but that's different from being ineffective. Eat dicks, you're going to trial. So fuck off and does not give her a continuance either. Gives her not even extra time for her attorney to prepare just says she's good moving on she'll do uh yeah uh they they said that there's a trial built on circumstantial evidence but also a lot of her own confessions but the details are murky and that's what they're worried about is these murky details uh although once they get the trial going several witnesses line up

down the street to say that they were asked by car to either kill or help find someone kill to kill heather strong she offered me 500 bucks she offered me 250 she told me to put word on the street i heard she was looking for someone again it's like everybody she knows i drank at the bar and i heard the word on the street yeah Yeah, I heard. They came in and shouted it. So I don't know. I heard it loud. Also, Comey testifies that he had to pull Carr off of Heather while Amelia had a knife to Heather's throat, which looks bad to say I'm just innocent following Josh. She had a goddamn knife to her throat when Josh wasn't anywhere near there.

He was in jail at that point. Yeah, he wasn't anywhere near there. God, wrapped her hand they said he describes in court how amelia wrapped heather's ponytail around her hand like a wrapped it around her hand so she couldn't go and she didn't even grab it she wrapped it and fucking pulled her head back which is absolutely fucking bonkers uh yeah also testifies that she kept off he kept offering being offered money to do this, to kill Heather. Amelia testifies. What the fuck?

Why not? What do you got to lose? She takes a stand and testifies that she only started lying to police after she said the police threatened that she would never see her baby born. What? She doesn't say what method they were going to. I don't know if they were going to do a super late term abortion fucking it's ready to come out and just club it over the head and throw it away i don't know you're gonna kill them both they're gonna yeah i mean we're gonna do the death penalty tomorrow for both of you right now right now everyone's dying otherwise just you're

gonna see your baby boy look down stupid yeah stupid. You had three before. You know how this works. You know what's going to happen next. The kid's going to come out. I don't know if she's trying to say they were threatening her to like to kill her. They were going to like take her out while she was in her cell. I don't know what the hell it was. While she's asleep, just bring a Hoover in there and suck it out. There you go, sweetheart.

You didn't see it, did you? Never told you you wouldn't see it. So, God damn it they uh she says she admitted to saying that she wanted to kill strong in the past but she also said that uh she also said the same thing about her ex-husband and wasn't serious about that either which is just something you say like i wish i could kill him or i wish i'd hire so i'd give you 500 bucks to kill him i've never said that i've never said that ever no i've never offered i've never facetiously offered someone a specific amount of money that i'm getting for a tax return to kill him i've never said that i've never said that ever no i've never offered i've never facetiously offered someone a specific amount of money that i'm getting for a tax return

to kill somebody that i don't like in this competition for me i think i said i'm gonna kill you in the in in right before a fight yeah i did not kill them no you probably didn't i bet you did i didn't even try he didn't offer someone next to you yeah that's the other thing jesus she denied offering james akome money to help kill heather strong even though there was two people there and they both testified to the same thing yeah she says they're both lying uh she also denied that she complained to her other friend that she couldn't find anyone to kill heather strong and could you put word out on the street? Wow. She says that she last saw Heather in January of 2009 before the murder and that Josh, she and Josh had never, that Josh had never spoken to Amelia about killing Heather.

That never happened now. She's denying all of that. She said Josh did not call her about coming over to the house with Heather and that she never went outside the night of the murder murder other than to say goodbye to other people who were there visiting her family that had nothing to do with Josh. And she was never in the trailer with Josh and Heather. She never found Heather's body in the trailer. She said the shoes that she led police to were not Heather. She only did that to lie to them to further her cause.

She also says she lied about trying to break Heather Strong's neck and about helping Josh duct tape Heather to a chair. Oh, and she also lied about putting the garbage bag over Heather's head. Lied about all of it. She said she learned she only used the information she learned from police or from Josh's sister with inside knowledge of the case to make it look like she knew something and that she tried to convince Josh's sister that she knew something about the murder. So Josh's sister would provide information that could that that Josh could use to get. Wow. Police could use to get Josh police to use to get Josh and that would get Amelia to get Josh. Police to use to get Josh.

And that would get Amelia her kids back because they took her kids away because she's arrested. So she says she told them all this is an elaborate ruse to get her kids back. That is a real deep story to get your kids. Whoa. And she went on trial and said, no, no. Those other 45 times I lied to you, they were lies. And then this other time was a lie. And then my last story also a lie. But this is the one time i'm telling the truth now that's a tough thing to

yeah that's that's kind of rough uh she says that uh she stated they were arguing because uh jesus christ she said she uh she talked to josh on the phone the day of heather's murder but she said they were arguing because he wanted josh wanted amelia to put their upcoming baby up for adoption and uh amelia says that she uh she didn't know who killed heather and that she didn't know that heather was buried on her property until police told her that's her that's her claim that's a shitty story that's a bad story just deny it all uh they all but the problem is they problem is they present video evidence of her telling all these stories to the police, looking exactly like she just did.

That's a problem. Now I'm telling the truth, the same shit. They present the tape recordings of her saying exactly what happened to the sister, which sound pretty fucking knowledgeable. Doesn't sound like she's making shit up as she goes along. They also, Carr presents the testimony of a doctor uh an expert in forensic psychology this doctor it's a doctor land uh this doctor testifies that amelia has no indication of any serious mental illness so she was looking for a doctor to say

how crazy she was and no they say she has no indication of any serious mental illness. She has a bland demeanor in expressing affect, which makes her seem unemotional. And that's why she seemed like such a good liar, because she has a flat affect. And that's just not her fault. She's not a cold-blooded liar. She just has a flat affect. Or maybe she has both. Or she has a flat affect, because that's a good way to lie. Either one.

They said that it makes her seem unemotional. They said that she has some of the symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder and anxiety. Also testified that Amelia has an IQ of 125 and is more of a leader than a follower, which is not a good thing for her in this particular case. Also testified she has no psychosis, no antisocial personality disorder, schizophrenia, loss of reality or delusions, and that she knows, quote, she knows what is going on around her and knows right from wrong. This woman knows what's going to happen next. She absolutely does.

Oh, my God. Now, they talk about her relationships with men. This doctor testifies thatelia engages in superficial sexual relationships and does not become emotionally attached which makes sense from a girl whose father tried to kill her that's and probably did horrible things to her before that so that makes a lot of sense uh they said that she engages in sexual relationships where she's in control and she's the one enticing and manipulating the relationship. She likes to she likes to manipulate, manipulate men and is on guard against being manipulated because, like we talked about, she's manipulating. So she's on guard for everyone to be. Everyone must think like me.

Everyone's got a plot and a thing like that. a thing like that uh she also uh testified that the doctor testified that uh car is acting out her abuse through her relationships but is not submissive and that she could not account for car's sexual abuse causing her to murder heather strong yeah so she said whether the sexual abuse happened to her as a child or not it doesn't connect psychologically to what happened to heather uh yeah so uh this is fucking crazy. At this point, too, the state kind of, as their hammer, they introduce numerous recorded conversations that happened between Carr and Josh while Josh was in jail the month before the murder.

These tapes that they must have forgot about, Heather and Josh, included conversations regarding Heather to which Carr said to to Amelia said to Josh on tape, quote, leave it to me from here on out. I'm an ass kicker. You're too much of a pussy to do shit. So the leader, not a tape recorded leader, not a follower and people who are easily manipulated. That is a terrible thing to have that come out of

your mouth on tape is not good no yeah uh you're too much of a pussy why was there a relationship after that that's what i mean i'm an ass kicker you're too much of a pussy to do shit you jailed pussy and hangs up on him so the jury deliberates for two and a half hours and they find her Amelia guilty of kidnapping and the big one, first degree murder, which is the big one here. When death is on the table, it's bad stuff. So during the penalty phase of the trial, the defense attorney obviously tries to find some mitigating circumstances for her. Talks about abuse. She Amelia experienced as a child. circumstances for her talks about abuse she amelia experienced as a child members of her family testified that she was traumatized as a young child after being abused by both her father

and grandfather which is horrific uh the jury though they vote on their recommendation because the jury votes and the judge can go off of that the jury votes in a seven to five vote by the way that's a slim margin uh they vote for death the jury votes seven to five for, by the way. That's a slim margin. They vote for death. The jury votes seven to five for death. So the judge has a choice here. And we'll talk about that shit. Question. Aileen Wuornos, Florida, correct?

Florida, yes. Well, she's going to come up in a second, too. Oh, OK. She's going to come up in a second here. Yeah, she, Jesus Christ. So, by the way, after she's found guilty, then she has other stories for the press. She says that she never went into the trailer now, and she's talking about all of this shit. We'll talk about right after sentencing, which is another accusation she makes here.

Sentencing, February 22, 2011. Court finds aggravating circumstances, which is in the commission of a kidnapping, which holds great weight statutorily. Heinous, atrocious, or cruel crime, which holds a great weight statutorily. And three, cold, calculated, and premeditated, which is another great weight factor. Those are heavy weight. They only find one statutory mitigating factor. Because there's mitigating factors like uh you know uh my kid my i was abused when i was a child that's a mitigating factor but it's not a statutorily

mitigating factor there's other ones here like the fact that uh uh she has no significant prior criminal history of violence because the birds don't count uh they don't count that so that didn't call the police when she put a fucking knife to her throat. That's the other thing. That holds significant weight, that she has no history of violence. And they rejected these other ones, though, that she was under the influence of extreme mental or emotional disturbance. They said that wasn't proven, that she acted under extreme duress, and that she was only 24 years old at the time. Which I don't know what the fuck.

What? 24 years old at the time, which I don't know what the fuck. There's no. It says it says, too, in the court document, not mitigating because no evidence age impacted on her car's actions, which is absolutely true. They find non statutory mitigators like her upbringing and her that she was a good family member. Her family liked her and all that kind of shit that she attended church and Bible study as as a child which you killed a woman i don't really give a shit about that the judge is judge willard pope and uh he says well we'll give her we'll give well we'll sentence her on kidnapping first and then the murder here uh it's for kidnapping it is life in prison okay so not good parole no

parole life in prison for kidnapping uh and for the murder, you, ma'am, may fuck off. Death penalty. Oh, boy. Agrees with the jury. Seven to five jury recommendation for the death penalty. And she is moved to death row at the Lowell Correctional Institution in Marion County. And then after that, after she's sentenced, she makes a statement to the, wow, makes a statement to the press on the way out that the child she was carrying at the time of the murder was not actually Josh Fulgham's.

Oh, boy. It's somebody else's. And that in addition to that, that her herself, Amelia and Heather had been having a lesbian relationship. She decided to profess that to the media now. Now, after the death, by the way, not Josh's kid. And I was fucking hell. So now throw that twist in there and see what the fuck you come up with.

So, wow. What is happening? Amelia becomes, by being sentenced to death, the first woman since Eileen Wuornos to be sentenced to death in Florida. The first woman. Yeah, and that's fascinating. Now, Eileen used that same defense, and she was horribly abused. She was horribly abused. I mean, this woman, too, but not Eileen.

Eileen was fucked, man. And if you don't know who Eileen Wuornos is, guys, she's the movie that Charlize Theron was in where you didn't want to fuck her. That's Eileen Wuornos. Guys, so you know. Women probably know who she is. She was a terrible woman. She had a rough life, man. Yeah.

I actually felt for her because she had a crazy and evil as she was. She had a fucked up life where it's almost like Charlie Manson's almost like charlie manson's upbringing charles manson you're actually like you're like jesus i could kind of i kind of see where this all happened like not as an excuse but like as a reason and it's the same thing with her with manson you look at him you go how did that guy not kill people himself yeah look at this shit he looks like he's the guy that did all that? He tried to. He shot the one guy. Aileen, though, she was just abused her whole time. Anybody that was in her life pre-17 years old should have just been like, this girl's going to kill somebody one day. A lot of people.

A lot of people. Yeah. So Josh goes to trial here. And this is a judge approves a new attorney to take over his case because the other attorney withdrew for medical reasons. So it's not like Amelia can't have a new attorney to take over his case because the other attorney withdrew for medical reasons so it's not like a she you know amelia can't have a new attorney but he can uh he gets a guy named terence leneman who we'll talk about in a second uh now leneman here uh he's a death penalty guy or a general you know this no a lawyer that's certified for death penalty cases uh he says that uh he says that uh things have to be approached cautiously in this case and obviously Oh, OK. They're trying to stretch this out a little bit. They're trying to squash a statement that Fulgham made to Heather's mother, the one about the alligators in the trunk.

They're trying to squash little pieces of evidence that it's like pissing out a forest fire. Those don't matter. What are you doing? You're concentrating on one log and the whole fucking forest is on fire. Relax. And you're trying to squash something that doesn't really pertain to this particular murder either yeah all it does is signify that he had ill will and ill intentions towards her and yeah no it's true but it doesn't stop the

fact that this girl's dead and he's probably prime suspect i would say so number one number one yeah uh the the defense team is trying to prove j guilty of second degree murder, which is punishable by up to life in prison and not first degree murder. And the difference is premeditation. Opening statements. They're saying that he's Josh's attorney is trying to set it up as a crime driven by passion and betrayal. And he freaked out.

And it's second degree murder. He says the lawyer says quote things went really bad and happened very quickly and then then the lawyer says quote amelia carr does everything he just lets it happen so trying to paint it at him as just this dumb guy who's being dragged along and barely knows what's going to happen next that's that's when this came out too in his trial is when that came up he barely knows what's gonna happen next which is reason why during the verdict he is found guilty of first degree murder and kidnapping oh god he gets both uh his defense lawyer asked the jury to consider a life sentence because he suffered from mental sexual abuse and he barely knows what's gonna happen next

so uh the jury returns an eight to four vote yeah cardi barely knows she barely knows what's gonna happen next cardi barely cardi barely cardi barely jesus christ the b stands for barely knows what's gonna happen next it's a long name That's why they should shorten it to B. That's a real name. It's really long. So that's fucking awesome. I love it.

I remember the Norm MacDonald joke that ID is the worst abbreviation ever. I short for I. D short for dentification. Dentification. Yeah. That is terrible. He barely knows what's going to happen next. We'll shorten that up to B.

That's not going to fit. That's not going to fit on the iTunes description. So the jury returns an eight to four vote for a life sentence this time. So they vote for him to get life and not death here. Well, four people voted for death. So the judge here, Circuit Judge Brian Lambert, says you, sir, may fuck off, gives him a life sentence with the possibility of parole. Oh, look at this. So this guy gets possibility of parole, which I'm sorry.

I don't care. Even across the board. Whatever she got, you get, asshole. I don't care. Ding across the board. Yeah. Whatever she got, you get, asshole. I don't care. Ding them both. Ding you both. His lawyer, Josh's lawyer, said, quote, I was very happy with the jury's decision. I didn't know that was going to happen next.

Josh had no idea. I knew he didn't. It's a tough decision for them to make, but I think they carefully considered all the evidence and followed the law and came back with a just verdict. This guy, this Terrence Lenneman, if you kill a man or woman or anybody in Florida, this is your guy. He, at this time, had done 11 death penalty cases, and this was the ninth one that had a life sentence recommendation. So he gets your ass off of the death penalty, this guy. Almost 90%.

Yeah, that's not too shabby. Now, Amelia appeals her sentence, she uh including possible errors by a trial judge and the proportionality of the death sentence is her main thing uh her uh the attorney here says quote this this case involves a love triangle between the victim heather strong her estranged husband joshua fulgham and the defendant amelia carr that ended when this horrible tragedy happened so they're trying to act like she was just caught up in this big you know whirlwind of shit here she also uh claims ineffective assistance of counsel based on what she said earlier uh but while this is all going on her appeal kind of becomes a moot point uh because in 2017 uh a law is ruled unconstitutional.

A certain death penalty provision is ruled unconstitutional. So Florida has to sign a new law with new death penalty rules into effect. And it's signed. These new rules require a unanimous jury decision for a death penalty for a death sentence. So that means that everyone who has, say, a seven to five vote for death penalty and ended up getting the death penalty from that recommendation has to be resentenced. Yeah. You have to resentence them. You have to go through the process, do the whole, you know, court thing for resentencing.

Yeah. So after an evidentiary hearing in 2017, the state of Florida declines to seek a new death penalty phase with Amelia Carr. And she is resentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. That's great. They don't just go, you can go on your way there, young lady. No, you're good now. I don't know how laws work. Yeah, no.

I started to get real scared there. Yeah. So after that, there was only three women left on death row in Florida. After her. So she is not on death row in florida after her uh so she is not on death row but she's in life life for you know without parole so she's done uh josh fulgham is gonna get out someday if he lives that long wow uh he could definitely get out someday he won't know what's gonna happen but it'll happen someday they'll just push him out and he'll go where am i i'm out i'm outside i'm outside oh damn is that why they gave me all my stuff in this

bag and they took my whoa i put normal clothes on i ain't seen these in a long time this is still in style you think they still have gum boy the gum from the tape all over my jesus christ well that is mackintosh florida they're gone poor heather strong had a rough life and a rough even worse ending uh to it terrible that is florida avoid florida at all costs is what we're saying except on february 21st when we'll be at the west palm beach improv then come to florida see us and then leave on the under the cover of night as quickly as possible right through the gulf or anywhere else you have to do the ocean fell out of there for christ's's sake, stay out of Fords in Florida because the gators will get you. Oh, they'll eat you right up while you're in there.

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