Small Town Murder - Brutality At The Beach - Seaside, Oregon

Episode Date: July 9, 2026

This week, in Seaside, Oregon, the terrible & senseless murders of two locals makes this small, beachside tourist town freak out. Luckily, one of the killers decides to tell everyone he knows about these murders, even bragging about about how it was "just for the hell of it", and how it was just like a certain movie that he was obsessed with. But when police go to arrest these cold blooded killers, they're nowhere to be found, seemingly disappearing into thin air. Will they be tracked down, or just turn into ghosts of local lore??   Along the way, we find out that watching other people build sandcastles sounds amazingly boring, that just because you're a fan of a certain movie, doesn't mean you need to carry out the film's plot, and it's a lot harder to actually disappear into Mexico than it may sound!!   New episodes, every Wednesday & Friday nights!! Check us out on VIDEO Wednesday and Friday evenings on Netflix! www.netflix.com/smalltownmurder Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder, Crime In Sports & Your Stupid Opinions!   Follow us on... instagram.com/smalltownmurder facebook.com/smalltownpod   Also, check out James & Jimmie's other shows, Crime In Sports & Your Stupid Opinions on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts!!

This week in Seaside, Oregon, when tourists find two horribly murdered bodies at the beach, detectives quickly begin to hunt a couple of locals who may have been trying to imitate a movie with these murders, but police won't have an easy time finding them. Welcome to Small Town Murder. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Small Town Murder. Yay! Yay, indeed, Jimmy. Yay, indeed.

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and give me murder. Let's do this everybody. Let's go on a trip, shall we? Yeah. Let's do it. We're going to Oregon. It's always a good time. We like Oregon. Oregon's cool. They got water there. It's nice. We're going to seaside Oregon. which shocker is by the sea.

Near the ocean. It is beside the sea, seaside. It's far northwestern Oregon all the way up there. It's about an hour and a half to Portland, about three and a half hours to Seattle, and about five hours and ten minutes to Grants Pass Oregon, which was our last Oregon case episode number 670. That was the Cult of the Naked Truth, which was a crazy episode for an express there. This is in Klatsup County.

Klatsup, I believe is how you say that. C-L-A-T-S-O-P-K-P-L-A-T-S-O-P. That sounds right. Clatsop, something like that. Area code 503 and 971. Yes. Can't hold these people with one area code. A little bit of history of this town here.

The Klatsup were a Native American tribe that lived here. That's where that comes from here. It's the coast, so obviously, indigenous people are where things are, like fish and things like that. So a lot of, this was big indigenous spot by rivers. So about, and on January 1st, 1806, a group of men from the Lewis and Clark expedition built a salt making thing here at the site. Okay? They wanted to, which basically they do seawater and make salt. And this is what turned into the town of seaside was the salt works, basically. Really? Yeah. Lewis and Clark reached the Pacific. ocean. They set up camp north of seaside by the mouth of the Columbia River. And then a few of the members traveled south to set up a salt works where ocean water could be boiled to harvest the salt. They needed the salt because there's no other way to cure meat back then. So you could either eat it before it gets bad or you can salt it and save it for later. So the city was not incorporated

until 1890 when the coastal resort areas started being settled. They said, okay, we got to start collecting some taxes and you know you need to set up an infrastructure if you have tourists you have to roads and all that kind of thing uh so there was a uh real estate developer who donated land to the city of seaside for its one and a half mile long promenade or prom as they call it there going to the prom they all say along pacific beach um in the four 20s through the 40s it was a big stop for musicians on the west coast because it was a little tourist town it was like playing the catskill in the East Coast. 20s through the 40s, huh? 20s through the 40s, Duke Ellington and

Glenn Miller and all those type of people came through here. There was a riot in 1962 during the summer. A concert was supposed to happen, and it got canceled, and the teenagers went fucking bat shit. They went crazy. If there's anything I know about teenagers, they hate when you tell them no music.

No concert when they're jacked up for it. Paul Revere and the Raiders were supposed to be there. God, God, no, and they didn't make it. So, then a third. Fist fight near the Times, Times Theater between two teenagers escalated. It started with a fist fight between two teenagers, okay? The police got involved, basically,

because they're all drunk and pissed off and, you know, looking for something. So the police tried to intervene in this, and that sparked the crowd to get involved. And the next thing, you know, the fire department was hosing down the crowd with their hoses, which didn't stop them. Instead, people cut the hoses.

What? fire truck keys, they stole fire trucks. Eventually the National Guard and state police had to come to quell a bunch of drunk teenagers who were mad that Paul Revere and the Raiders weren't coming to town. Nope, but I got a fire truck. Holy shit, just going. I'm running the horn, everybody. Isn't that fun?

I know Paul Revere and the Raiders, but I can't name a goddamn song. No, I don't remember any of them either. And I know a lot of old shit like that. I know they're very, very popular. I'm sure I've heard an entire album. Pre-Beedles shit right before that. Just didn't stick. Nope.

Reviews of this town, five stars. And we probably know like 10 other songs. You do. Every word to them, yeah. It's just not, it's standard. It's just not. Five stars. Seaside is a lovely town.

We truly enjoy living here. You can ride bikes everywhere, go to the rec center, enjoy many different restaurants, hang out at the beach, garden, go to the movies, walk the boardwalk, and on and on. You know. Live like an Oregon lifestyle. You can eat food and watch TV and sit down and walk around sometimes if you want.

Maybe make some popcorn. You know, whatever. You just do what you want. Three stars, it's a very sad small town. No. It has not gotten any better in the past few years, and I don't feel like it will change now. Crime seems to only get worse. If you are considering moving to seaside, I recommend any of the nearby beach towns.

Sure, they all have their flaws, but they still. have some character left. Seaside, Oregon is good for visiting only. And this is a tourist spot. So you're going to get crime. I mean, there's not a tourist spot on earth where crime doesn't happen. Tourists are easy marks which attract criminals. And that's how that works. Also, when it's a tourist town, if you go there as a tourist, you can break the law and get the fuck out. Exactly. So there's a lot of public irination and dumb shit like that, you know, fingering each other on the beach, whatever the hell the deal is. Three stars, it's a small town with not much to do. Overall is really good for sunsets and pretty good for seafood food.

Pretty good for it. Seafood food. Not bad. Not bad. Right in the middle. Sunsets are nice on the Pacific Ocean. Really, that's weird. Two stars, the job market fluctuates a lot in seaside because it is based in tourism.

This causes a lot of problems with stability and jobs. Absolutely. Most jobs in seaside won't provide much work in the winter. That's kind of how it goes. And then finally, one star. Wow. Horrible crime. You can't leave your house without seeing flocks of drug addicts. Flocks of them? I appreciate. I'd rather call them a herd or a murder, wouldn't you? A flock? I don't know if a flock is appropriate. Something like that. Yeah. Drug addicts nor take a nature walk without seeing vagrant camps, full of dirty used needles and stolen goods from local neighborhoods. Crime rates are higher than the city. Cost of living is outrageous compared to wages and compounds the crime and drug problems.

Nearly eight feet of rain per year is too much, plus completely overrun and trashed by tourists in the summer. Eight feet? This is the Pacific Northwest. It's the far northwestern Oregon. I mean, this is that much? Every storm that comes, yeah. Eight feet. It's a lot.

You're getting a lot of rain here. People in this town, 7,058. So not a huge town. That's the year round number. Way more women than men. 55.4% women, which is way out of whack for a town of 7,000. 55. That's a lot.

I don't think I've ever seen it that high over 200 people, you know. Median age here, they're older. 51.2. Wow. This is like we're going to retire by the beach type of shit here. It's only 42% marriage. You know, none of that. It's not really a, you know, suburbs, wife and kids in a, you know, the yard type of shit there.

Race in this town, 85% white, 1.2% black, 1% Asian, which is low for the Pacific Northwest. 8.4% Hispanic. And then the religion here, 27.7% religious, which I agree. If you have the ocean, you don't need that. you know, you're just like, I'm going to go to the beach on Sunday instead. Yeah. But that might convince you that something else exists. If it's that fucking beautiful, how the fuck did this just be a coincidence?

That's the opposite for me. I know. I'm saying, I'm saying somebody's got to. Incredible. Somebody's got to feel that way, right? Probably, yeah. Yeah, people look at majestic things and they go, someone had to create that. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Yeah, they go, it's too pretty. It's like a picture. Someone must have, yeah, sure. This is just a coincidence. Yeah, tons of people. think that. That's fine. Think whatever you want. I just go, I don't need anything else. Yeah. Just go, this is great. Yeah. Think whatever you want. I don't give a shit. Doesn't bother me. 27.7 and the, it's mainly like other Christian faith that's all kind of spread around.

The religions. A hodgepodge. A hodge. Zero point zero percent Jewish though. Oh. Unemployment rate in this town, little bit high, which seems odd for a town with a lot of tourism. At least there's a lot of shit jobs, I know, if they're any good. Median household income here. Now, rest of the country, it's almost 70,000. Here it is 41,488. Really? So pretty damn low.

Now, I don't know if some of that is the fact that you have older people, maybe some social security income. Perhaps. People mixed with people that work at a, you know, a souvenir shop. Yeah. It sells T-shirts and shit. So cost of living here, though, 100 is regular average. Here it's 107, which is.

So it's high. Incredibly high compared to what the income is. Are they still doing the salting? No. No, no. I mean, there might be some. I don't know if they, yeah, I don't think they do that here. It's probably more profitable to put a motel up instead.

Probably, yeah. A thing of salt that's like this big is like 49 cents. I don't understand how salt is a business. I really don't. That like exotic pink Himalayan shit is that cheap. It's still cheap. It's still cheap. That's different.

fucking your regular iodized Morton's, that paper card thing that's not quite cardboard that it comes in. It's like 49 cents for eight pounds of it. How the fuck is anybody make money? The lady with the umbrella? They cost nothing. Just to ship that heavy, a pallet of that would be so heavy. It would cost something to ship more than 50 cents. By weight alone at the post office, it costs more ship than it does purchase.

And you have one of those for like seven. years also. It's not like you're buying them every two weeks, you're spending another 50 cents. It's everybody spends like, you know, like a dollar 50 every decade on salt, basically. It doesn't make sense. Yeah, if you get the, I get the kosher, the thicker stuff just because it melts better into like into foods and stuff. Even that's so cheap compared to how much, how long it takes to get rid of that is crazy. Yeah, how much you have. Yeah. Median home cost here, this is wild. 465. $300.

Wow. So median income, $41,000. Home cost $465. I don't understand. It sounds broken. Well, if you're living here doing tourist jobs and shit, you're screwed. Yeah, you're scraping by. So if we've convinced you, damn it, seaside's the place to go.

We have for you the Seaside, Oregon, real estate report. Average two-bedroom rental here goes for $1,230. So that is actually below the national average with the housing. Is it 14? It's like 1290. Okay. Almost 13. Here is the first house.

It's a trailer. Don't get too excited here. Not bad on the inside, though. Laminate or wood floors that look decent. It's clean in there. It looks nice and well-maintained. Three-bedroom, two-bath, 1440 square feet. It is a double wide.

You can see. It's got the two windows up front here. It is built-in-lawed. 1975. This is $69,99999 bucks. Okay. Not bad. Just had a... Yeah, there's no square footage on the... There's no lot size, so that means you don't own it. Um, $16,000 price cut they just had on that too. So get in there, everybody. Deal. Smoking deal. Um, here is a three bedroom one bath, 1-basket square foot house. Nice house, got some brick on it. Pretty decent. Built in 1668.

$270,000. Okay. That's kind of your average entry-level house and for 270, which isn't too, too bad. Then we have, and a lot of times, the housing prices are driven up by the real expensive houses.

That's how the median gets driven up, but it's not a lot of those. Here's a four-bedroom, four-bath, tea bowl for each and every beehole, everybody. 4,100 square feet right on the ocean. Beaches your backyard, built in 19,000. on a third of an acre. It's a nice house, very well done inside, too.

$2,600,000. For no land, it's the water. It's the water. You're on the ocean, the beach and everything else. So, I mean, if you want to live on the water, it's going to cost you. That's it. Things to do here, well, go to the beach, dipshit. That's one thing to do.

The promenade thing and all the stuff there. So that's a big deal. And then there is the seaside sand. Sandfest. Sand fest. Sand fest, which sounds terrible. Sounds like I'm going to be itchy. It says, join us here.

Featuring master-level sculptors, advanced amateur sculptors, instructors, vendors, and a one-of-a-kind beach experience in seaside. Basically, this is crazy sandcastles. Oh, sure. Which are pretty interesting. I mean, I see those and I go, wow, that took a lot of time. Doesn't see more of it.

And then I leave. I'm very happy for you to have made that 11,000 foot long mermaid. It's like making an ice sculpture, though. It is temporary. It is not going to last. Yeah. And also how'd you carve out that much time? Well, yeah, who says I'd like my art to be extremely fleeting.

I'd like it to make it and then just have it disappear after a minute. That's what I'd like. Even if... The water doesn't get it. Have you seen the Sphinx? Have you heard of it? Yeah. It's pretty fucked up.

And this is just sand. This isn't, you know, they haven't baked anything. Yeah, there's nothing here. The master sculptors will hold a contest, September 17th through 20th, advanced amateurs will be a different date. It says, after years of busking and offering lessons, in other words, after years of bothering people on the beach is what he said. This person, you want me to teach you how to build a sand castle? No, fuckhead, I'm on vacation. Leave me alone.

Yeah, I have a little rake thing that I bought for $4 at that store. Uh, Bert Adams hosted yet another beach and sand sculpture event. After four years of growth, this was a couple years ago, seaside sand fest offers a week of watching professional sand sculptors do their thing. Right. Is that what you want to do? Watch sand sculptors do their thing. I'm impressed when they can get the sand to stand up.

It's pretty impressive. Like Poseidon with this fucking thing. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Wet it down a little. Yeah, the trident. That's pretty impressive. It is.

Crime rate. in this town. What we are interested in here, it is high. Property crime, again, a beach tourist town. Sure. Almost three times the national average of property. What? That's theft. That's, you know, public urination. That's the highest we've ever heard of. Drunkenness. Nah, we've heard more than that. Three times? We've heard worse than three times, yeah, I think. But that's, that's a lot, though. I mean, that's, like I said, pick any beach tourist town. That's what's going to be. It's just what it is. Violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and of course, assault, the Mount Rushmore of crime, slightly above average, but not too bad. So that's in the normal range. So I think

this is mainly dumb people doing dumb shit when they're drunk on vacation in the middle of the night. That said, let's talk about some murder here. Here we go. Which wasn't just some dumb people doing some dumb shit in the middle of the night. This was pretty crazy. Let's go back in time to 1997. Mm-hmm. Ninety-seven. So we're pre any kind of social media pre.

There's cell phones, but they're only for making calls and it's extremely expensive and the battery dies very quickly. Not a lot of technology that's impressive yet. No, I mean, there's the internet, but nobody has high-speed internet yet. This is still dial-up

internet. Everybody still has those projection TVs with the three fucking bulbs. This is the dot-com boom at this time. So 5 a.m. July 14th, 1997. So middle of the summer, middle of the Torres season. Five a.m. There's Taurus out for a morning beach stroll. Isn't that nice? That's what you do. Nothing better than taking that morning beach walk. For me, it would be late at night and then I'll let us sleep. But either way. I love a little coffee. Whoever you want to work it. So they're out for a morning beach stroll. And they're thinking, ooh, you know, maybe I'll find some shells. Yeah.

You know, things like that, nice things. Was it up on the beach that was set on last night? Message in a bottle maybe. Oh, wouldn't that be romantic? Oh, boy. Pirates booty? They find two people. And they think at first, oh, there's people sleeping on the beach.

On the beach. On the beach, but they're not. They're found, there's two adults, a man and a woman, lying face up with large bullet holes in their head. Oh. Just lying on the beach. Shot on the beach, though. Shot on the beach. So this is definitely, this will ruin your vacation, I would say.

Sure. This will fuck it all up. Now you've got to go down to the station. How many days do you have there? How much time do you have to spend, you know? At least one all day, right? Yeah. This is, they're going to have to.

They were found on the beach near 6th Avenue in the early morning there. Each of the bodies had sustained single close range fatal gunshot. shot wounds to the head, front of the head. So they were, they said that the shots were from a range of one to three feet for the female and not less than three feet for the male. Oh, that's how it worked. Or I'm sorry, the other way around, male. Okay.

The victims were otherwise uninjured. There's no torture. Stabbing or there's no, like, bruising of, you know, beating or anything like that. So they didn't understand it. There's no weapon at the scene at all, but there are a lot of footprints, and they find shell casings there also and some some physical evidence that they could possibly. Unfortunately, too, footprints in the sand. Not good. Pretty fleeting.

Again, this is the temporary things. You got to take your pictures and all that kind of shit. Yeah. Now, the seaside police chief said, we believe this is an isolated incident. and we're continuing our investigation at the crime scene. How they pulled that out of their ass is, I have no idea. Yeah, what does that? They've been there an hour.

They're still processing and they're like, we believe that everyone should still go out and spend money, is what we're saying. This is an isolated incident. Don't worry about it. There's no rain today. So everything's fine. Blue skies, everything seems fine to me.

So among the few leads they can muster up here at first is, two men who were at a campfire late that night and going early into the morning said two other men who were about 19 or 20 years old not kids but not really adults type of thing approached and somehow gave them the impression that they were plotting to kill them the people at the fire, two people at the fire.

Now the police say anybody who was on that beach at that time is a person of interest, and until we talk to them, they will continue to be persons of interest. So you are guilty until, if you've been on this beach, basically, until we clear you. Now, there are some witnesses, like we said, there is one witness who they said was a blonde man who appeared to be intoxicated and had trouble walking and talked slowly whose eyes were red, which if they're very intoxicated, that'll do it. Fucked up, yeah.

Then there was a brown-haired man as well. Out of the two guys, they said, the 1920-year-old guys. One blonde, one brown-haired man appeared to be normal, they said. Acting normal wasn't shit-faced, not being weird. They said that one of them, the dark-haired one, said his name was Jeremy. So they have an unknown, drunken blonde man, and Jeremy the brunette is who they're looking for, essentially. Which is, you know, a needle in a hay. stack or a needle in a beach sand, either one, however you want to put it.

It's the second time I've heard of somebody from the Pacific Northwest named Jeremy. So it seems to be a common name. You're going to watch out for him. Well, this is, that Jeremy already took care of his own problems by the time this happened. That Jeremy was all watched out by that. Long gone. He was all over all the other kids. Yep.

So we find out who the victims are first. The victims are, first of all, the young lady is gout. Gabriella Brooke Goza, G-O-Z-A. She's 26 years old. She goes by Brooke. That's what everybody calls her, her middle name. She has two kids, we find out. Mother of two.

This is very sad. She comes from kind of a prominent family. Her father is a doctor. Dr. Larry. Yeah, Dr. Larry Goza. So she is not trailer trash or anything like that. She comes from a prominent family, 26 years old, mother of two. so they're like, well, this is weird.

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I think it was Clatsup Community College. And in 1989, she had a daughter named April in 1993. She has a son. So she's got two kind of little kids. They're four and eight at this point, which is 47. So she had him young. Oh, yeah, she had them young. She dropped out of high school to get married, so they started having kids.

I guess nowadays, she hangs out at the beach a lot, and she works as a cook at a restaurant job. All right. So probably not exactly what Dr. Larry had in mind, her dad. Yeah, certainly letting him down a little bit. Yeah, she told everyone she was trying to earn. money toward college, which I don't know where her parents weren't paying for it, I guess. She went to Astoria High School originally and attended Clatsup Community College in Astoria for three years, and she wanted to have a teaching degree with a major in art. She wanted to

be an art teacher, essentially. So for years, she lived in an apartment under her dad's office. There was an apartment under the office, and she lived there with her son and daughter for a time. And then she ended up moving to seaside in 1997. This was nearby, but not in seaside particularly. In May of 97, she moves to seaside. And her dad said, so I mean, this was Christ, two months before this happened. Yeah. She moved to seaside.

She divorced? By now, yes. Yeah. I don't even know if they ever ended up getting married or not. I'm not sure. She dropped out to get married, but then may be. or may not have gotten married. May not have followed through with the actual marriage, or we're not sure.

Her dad, Dr. Larry, said, quote, she moved to Seaside about eight weeks ago and was completely on her own. She was no longer on assistance from the state, and we all felt she was making progress. She's had some troubles here. Everybody in her family felt she was doing good, is what the dad said. He said also that his relationship with his daughter improved when she moved to Seaside. I wonder what happened. She moves to Seaside without the kids, though.

The kids stay with Dr. Larry and mom. Oh, with Grandma and Grandpa. Yeah, the kids are staying there. She moved to Seaside, and I guess since then they've been getting along better with her not living with them, I guess. There was a challenge she faced somewhere, huh? Something, yeah, something's going on here. Her children came to visit her a couple times a week, and she was very close to her children is what her brothers and her mother said. So she was still paying attention to her kids.

She didn't just leave and leave them behind. She was a regular at Sam's seaside cafe. The owner of the cafe said that she had a very positive outlook on life and very creative. And he was planning on displaying one of her paintings on the wall, but didn't get a chance to before she was killed, basically. Oh, she painted the children's menu the best. That's it. She did one of those maps on the back of it, actually, on the place map. It was very detailed, though.

I do love those family cafes. they've got whatever the kids are in you is and they've just got they're fucking wallpapered with them and they're just terrible coloring. Awful. Kids can't color for shit. We shouldn't encourage them when they're coloring

that poorly. Don't hang that shit on the wall. Nice try. I'm proud of you for trying. That's not very good. Try harder. Try harder. Do better. See those lines? In the lines. In the lines. Get the color in there. In those lines.

There's a point to this. So he said that you know, she'll be missed as what the guy said, the owner of the cafe, said she loved to hang out and meet people. She was very friendly and she'd go up to people

she didn't know and just talk to them. Okay. Also what she would do, and this, going up and talking to people, that's fine. This part of it is not okay. She would sometimes grab poems

out of her backpack and read them to people that she didn't even know. Okay. How you doing? I'm Brooke, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Let me read you a poem. Poetry.

I got a way. I get shit to do. I'm very late. But you're on vacation. You don't understand. My post is getting so cold. This is ridiculous right now. My Captain Crunch is getting soggy.

I need to go immediately. So she would do that. And she wrote her own. These aren't like other people. Let me read you some Wadsworth. She would read her own poems. She faced a challenge somewhere. I'm certain of it.

Had to have. So her poem. which the restaurant owner described as, quote, life poems. I don't know what that means. He said we're part of part of the whole vibe of the restaurant, basically. It was her and her poems. She fit in with the fabric of it. She's only been here for eight weeks, too.

This isn't like, you know, she's been here for 10 years. She said, he said some regulars, some regular couples came in and she'd often read poems to them. they must have been good poems to not get kicked out of the restaurant for doing it. They have to be decent, but people go, I don't want any, and then she reads and they go,

it actually wasn't too bad, okay, and then they go back to what they're talking about. It's like Mr. Deeds reading greeting cards, though. It's like people are excited for this? Sit down and listen to my soul, fucking come out of my body,

please. She also sang at Sam's sometimes. They had open mic nights. Uh-huh. And she would join some band that was playing, and she would sing. So she likes to hang out and have a good time.

On the Friday before she was killed, she was at Sam's singing with some other guitar player that was playing guitar and she was singing. The owner of Sam said that after Sam's closed that night, a group of people went to the beach club. And he said, she sat with us there until they closed. And he said during the summer,

there's a lot of times when, especially the workers of the bars and stuff, They're not ready to go home when the bars close, which is everywhere. You're just got off work. Yeah. People get off work at five. They don't go, okay, I'm going to go home and go right to bed. No one does that when they get off work.

I don't understand why they expect these people to be different. And then the late shift people, they get their shift drink, too. So they're going to. If we just closed, I still get a shift drink. I'm sitting here until this motherfucker's gone. That's it. So they said basically they just go to the beach after all the bars were closed. And they said sometimes they would,

get some to-go beer and they'd go down to the beach and have a bonfire and hang out like people do. She said the guy said she often went down on the beach with people late at night. So to find her on the beach in the morning isn't... Not rare. Not rare that she would be at the beach. It's not like what's she doing at the beach

in the middle of the night. She hangs out and does stuff. When she's, I guess, like I said, she's working as a cook at a restaurant. One of the jobs she had was at Gregor. Gorios pizza where she worked as a pizza cook, which is pretty cool. That was until the 4th of July. Then she worked for a short time at Rob's restaurant.

And the last night that that Sam's guys talked to her, she was excited about a new job she'd be starting at Riley's restaurant. Great. So she's in like the course of a month, she's on her third job here, which restaurants, you kind of have to find the vibe that fits you. Yeah, I think that any career that you're in, if you're not actively looking for a better opportunity, then you're going to always stay put. It's never going to get better. Absolutely. Especially, like I said, a restaurant, sometimes you don't like how it works. You don't like the food.

You don't like the, you know, cooks you're stuck with or whatever it is. And so you're like, I don't want to be here. And maybe this one's paying a little better. That's the other thing, too. Maybe it's, you know, $11 an hour instead of $10 or whatever back then. So Dr. Larry here, Brooks' father. said that his daughter did have an outlook on life, and the way he put it, she was starting to turn her life around. Okay.

So she really went hard into having fun for a minute. Yes, and her parents were pissed off at her for a while. Absolutely. Her father said this in the newspaper, quote, I was at odds with her for years because I wanted her to be a better mommy. Not disappointed, furious. Pist, yes. Yes, that's, and disappointed, you know, then you have these kids and you leave them with me. And that sucks.

You know what I mean? You got to be more there. He also said that he felt she started to overcome her problems recently and was coming into her own more, which she's 26. A lot of people, it takes. Sometimes it takes you until you're 30, 33 to figure out what the hell's going on in your life. It really doesn't. That's the shit part is if you have kids, you don't have that luxury of figuring yourself out when you're 30. You've got to have your shit together as soon as one pops out of the fucking canal there.

And sometimes for girls, it's harder to keep that child. free lifestyle going because sometimes it's not up to you whether or not. You know what I mean? They're the ones getting knocked up. Yeah, you don't know until you miss a period. Okay. Imagine if guys could get knocked up. Forget it.

We would be constantly pregnant. Constantly, it would be a mess. We would be a, imagine if everybody wanted to fuck us and we could get pregnant. Everything else is still the same, except for some reason, every woman wants to fuck us and they can knock us up. We would be, oh my God. would be drive-through abortion clinics if we had that. How many abortions have you had this year?

Like eight this year. I had about 13 last year. So less. Wouldn't even, we'd be a mess. There would be a liquid to drink that you would mix in your Budweiser. Yeah. Everything, it'd be over the counter. You know, it works better with alcohol.

It would be right on the label. And you put it in your beer and drink it. That's how guys would be. You did it for free when you bought an AR. Yeah. I find it hilarious when guys start to get like moralistic about women and all she needs to stuff. You would be a pregnant 100 times by now because I would too. So I don't fucking think you wouldn't.

Yeah. I've helped out when I've made mistakes. Yeah. So the other victim, the male victim, is Frank Kevin Nymns, N-I-M-S. So they have both have... four letter last names with a Z in them. What are the odds of two people hanging out together, both with four letter last names,

both containing a Z? N-I-M-Z? N-I-M-Z. Weird. Just the mathematical odds of that are crazy. He's 36 years old. He goes by K-C-W-A-C-Y. That's what everyone calls him.

His dad's name is also Frank. I think he picked the nickname, so there was no confusion. What's he do? He's 36. A little bit about him here. He's born and raised in Portland. He spent his teen years in the Milwaukee area, Milwaukee, Oregon, not Wisconsin.

They got one? Yes, it's right outside of Portland. We've done a bonus episode there or something, maybe. Doesn't matter. Either way, he became a part-time seaside resident in his early 20s, says his brother Don, who will hear from a lot in this episode. In 1981, he had a son named Kenny, which, again, he had a son named Kenny, which again, he had a kid very young.

I mean... Kenny. Yeah, 16, year 20, he had a kid. Then in 1985, he has a daughter named Tasha. Tasha with an E on the end. So like Tasha, almost, but I think it's Tasha. Now, he worked at a Portland area cleaner. What is it?

Oh, a cleaner, I guess. A cleaner filter and computer chip factory he worked at. They made filters and, computer chips at this factor. It's got to be a cleaner filter for your computer chip. I don't know. How often does that need to be cleaned? It's inside.

Software? It's like a software that like clears out like your cookies or some shit. You know what I mean? Yeah, no. I think this is like physical filters. Like three out? Like air conditioning filters. Yeah.

He would always, when it would be slow there and there wasn't a lot of work, he would go to the coast to do. commercial fishing. Oh. Which is a crazy job. Now, according to his brother Don, his brother Don's a dentist and has a dental practice in Milwaukee.

How about this? They both got doctors in the family. Yeah. Don said of Casey, quote, he was a heck of a fisherman. Oh. Casey loved the outdoors. He'd spend his free time hunting, fishing, skiing, riding motorcycles, camping.

Oh, he's a fucking cool guy. He's a party, this guy. Yeah. This is hilarious. Don says something right out of a deodorant commercial. Quote, he worked hard and played hard. He didn't let a day go by that he didn't do something exciting. He was a true Oregonian.

He's an old spice man. That's hilarious. Yeah. He's a speed stick kind of a fella. So although Casey has a couple of problems with the law that we'll talk about as well. His brother said he was a kind person. He said he met people and made friends at the drop of a hat. We'll find out why he also.

We'll find out why he also makes friends like that too. That's why these two are hanging out together. They're both easygoing. He said that any rough times he'd been going through seemed to be over, the brother said. He said he'd been doing a lot better the last couple of years. So we have two people who seem to be doing better than they were before now. Two parents. two parents, each with two children, each with a boy and a girl, as a matter of fact.

Now, August 10th, 1994, he had some trouble. And this isn't him getting in trouble. This is some trouble finding him. He was apparently, it was about 1 a.m. And he was bicycling home. This is in seaside. And he decided to stop near 10th Avenue and near the river to have a cigarette. To stop and have a cigarette.

A pickup truck full of kids. kids, teenagers, pulled up and jumped him, basically. They all jumped out of the truck and beat the shit out of him. Wow. They beat him severely. They kicked him in the head more than 20 times. They took his wallet and his bicycle and just basically left him bleeding in the Blackberry bushes.

What the fuck? No reason. There's a bunch of asshole teenagers decided to roll a guy. Why would you do that? It makes no sense to me either. I don't get it. They were later caught after attacking another bicyclist. So they were just going around whoever they found.

They were just attacking people. So he survived the attack, obviously, Casey. But he was in serious condition in the hospital for a while. He was not in good shape. His criminal record got a couple of things going on, too. He has convictions for assault and drug dealing. Casey does. He was released from the Oregon State Correctional Institution in 1991 after serving two years of a 10-year drug conviction sentence.

That's a hefty one. That's a hefty one. That means you've gotten busted a couple of times and you were selling. So that's what's going on. And they're saying now he hasn't been doing that lately. He hasn't been selling drugs. He's been doing better and working jobs and whatever. So two people with apparently pasts.

Checkered a little. Are hanging out together, but nice people that everybody likes and not bad people. Not people that hurt people or anything like that. Casey's brother said, You know, he heard the reports that there was people making, that the possible perpetrators here of this murder were making threatening remarks to a bunch of people on the beach that morning. And brother Don said if any of them had said anything menacing within Casey's earshot, he likely would have stood up and said bullshit. So he's saying, my brother would have said, go fuck yourself or, you know, told these kids where to go. which it sounds like he would have probably.

Yeah, I mean, especially if a guy got beat up by a bunch of kids, a couple of kids making some less than 20 of them. We're going to have some words. But he said that he doesn't seem afraid, which you might be a little, you know, a little flinchy of any kind of teenagers if you've been pummeled by them in the past. There's a bunch of people around town saying, well, they shouldn't have been out on the beach that late then. because we find out from where they were that basically they were out on the beach at like 4 a.m.

So they were found within an hour of this killing. But they said that, you know, people were saying, well, they shouldn't be out there that late. You're asking for trouble if you're sitting on a beach at 4 a.m. with, you know, your friend. Is that where the trouble is? That's where the trouble is, apparently. I didn't know.

Weird, right? I didn't realize it either. How dare you? I thought the beach was like the happiest flight. No, no. No, no, no. You get away from there or you deserve to be hurt. As soon as the sun goes down, you got to get the fuck off the beach. Sit in your house like a respectable person, you fucking bum. What are you doing, enjoying the beach and the weather here?

Bullshit. Waiting for the sun to rise? Fuck you. Crazy. By the way, Casey has a fiancé named, I believe her name is Bonnie also at this point. I can't remember. He'll find out her name in a minute. But he has a fiancé. So what else is he doing with some chick out on the beach at 4 a.m.? Yeah. You know. I don't know about you, but I've been engaged before. And if you come home and go and they say, what were you doing? It's just hanging out with my friend at the beach at 4 a.m.? Who's she? Oh, just chick 10 years younger than me.

It's no big deal. You're probably going to get a talking to for that. I mean, the first question is going to be, who's he? And then when you say a chick 10 years younger than me, 4 a.m. on the beach, pack your shit, man. You're in trouble. Take the swing back at minimum. Don is super pissed off that people are mad that they were on the beach at 4 a.m. and blaming them for it.

The brother Don, he's like, fuck that. He said, quote, it doesn't make sense or it doesn't make them bad people being awake at 4 a.m. True. True, because if it was, then I would be a terrible person. You're a fucking monster. I'm a monster. Finally go to bed when the sun goes down, James? Someone needs to stop me before I can't be stopped anymore.

I can't stop myself. It's the problem. You get murdered. Or do a lot of murdering. He also resents the assumptions that the murder was a result of a drug deal gone bad. Because people are saying that because his brother Casey had a... He was arrested for it once. History.

Now, the investigators confirm that the murders do not appear drug-related at all. Now, Don, the brother, wonders whether the murder was actually a result of Casey defending someone else. He said he didn't hurt anyone unless he was backed into a... corner, maybe the murderer said something to Brooke. And he said, hey, leave her the, that's what he thinks. All right. That makes more sense. Because in my head right now, what he's saying?

There has to be, then where the fuck are the people he was defending? I guess if she's right there. It's her. All right. Yeah. A bunch of Casey's friends said that they didn't even realize because they call him Casey. And the news said, Frank. Frank.

Yeah. Nims. He said they didn't even fucking. know it was him for a while. It was dead. It took a few days of people go, no, it's that guy. And they were like, oh, shit, his name is Frank. They had no idea, essentially. So when the media came looking for a reaction from family members, Don said it was really tough to talk about it. He said, if Casey had gone down with a boat fishing, it would have been difficult to accept, but it would have been easier than knowing he was murdered. He said that would have been an act of God, which maybe

if there was a typhoon, you could call it that. But other than that, it would be an act of probably somebody's fucking negligence. Negligence or just, yeah, being piss poor at their job or laziness or something. Or a shitty boat that malfunctioned, but there's a more than just an act of God. You probably didn't do all your checks then at that point. You know what I mean? So somebody fuck something up at that point. Now, Dr. Larry here, Brooks' dad, said, my kids were my whole life when we were a family that did everything together.

After the death of Brooke here, he said his family had a picnic and he took pieces of Brooke's artwork to give to family members. And he said everyone snagged up her art. Casey's son, Kenny, who was 16 at this point, also lived in Seaside, works on the same fishing boat as dad did. He's 16 working on a fucking fishing boat already. Wow. Wow. Yeah. He's okay.

Yeah. He said he's braced. Well is what Don said about the kid. He's, quote, bracing up well. He's all right. Okay. Those fishermen are pretty weathered. They can take a lot.

They've got a fascinating choice of words, too. They're pretty leathery. Yeah, he's bracing up well. Some Oregon shit there. It's got to be. It's some kind of nautical term for something. Batting down the hatches and shit. It's to do with a mast, I believe, in a storm.

Bracing up. Wreasing up, good. Yeah. Now, Don said he was impressed when Casey's 12-year-old daughter, Tasha, or however it's pronounced, not trying to disrespect there, I'm just not sure how to say it, who lives with her mother in Oregon City, actually spoke at her father's funeral. So, Casey's funeral, she spoke and everything, which is insane for a kid to do. That's very bright.

And the saddest thing you'll ever see in your life. Yeah. Don said, now that he's absorbed at all, he said, I'm going from sad to mad. and he said, I would like to see whoever did this captured. He said, people don't realize that what they do affects a lot of people.

It kind of makes you a little bitter. Yeah, if they kill your brother, you're going to be bitter. That's, you know, it's normal. And you don't want that to happen to anybody else. And if they've done it like this, that's fucking brazen, just to leave the bodies laying there.

These are dangerous people. It's crazy. So, by the way, yes, it was Bonnie. That is Casey's fiancé's name. The Bonnie situation would have been very explosive to use a Pulp Fiction reference here. So this investigation... Satisfied with Sanka, James. Yeah, instant.

So this investigation here, I get my coffee on the outside. Oh, that's Seinfeld. Never mind. Different thing. That's like Jerry being angry when this... And how come my fucking coffee is, Jules? Yeah, this is when they're not jerking off the contest. I don't have any coffee.

Can't get my coffee on the outside. Different thing. Okay. So this investigation, the police and the district attorneys said they know a lot of which we're not sharing, they told the press. Okay. They said there's a lot of stuff that we've developed that we're not going to comment on. We're restricted by ethics rules. They're just keeping their crime scene close to the vest so people can't.

We're trying to solve this. Exactly. They identify some suspects within 24 hours of discovering the bodies, though. Wow. Two different sets of suspects that they were, they go. they go from one to the other, but they spend a good 24 hours on the first set of suspects that we'll talk about here. Now, physical evidence that they have, they said there was a surprising amount of physical evidence. There were footprints, so it must not have been windy and it didn't rain in an hour.

There were shell casings, and the casings are the big break in the case because they're not ordinary casings. They're very specific. They know where they came from. They came from a calico 9mm. How do I know that? From, apparently, it's a specific marking on the bullet or something. So this gun, it fires 9 millimeter rounds, but it is a specific gun that has a 50 round clip in it. Oh, that's why 50 cent loves it.

It's a calico, street sweeper, they call it, basically. That's the nickname of the damn gun here. So that's what they're looking for. So they know that there's a specific weapon that they're looking for that fired these specific bullets. And that's a specific enough weapon where that might help. You know what I mean? If they could find out where one of those was sold. Now, they do come up with some suspects right away.

There's a security camera mounted on top of one of the local restaurants near the beach. Not a, we think security camera now, you're thinking digital and you can enhance. We're talking grainy, recycled tapes. Yeah. Tapes that have been used for five years, just being. recycled and they're washed out to shit basically. When I was robbed at gunpoint in 98, they didn't have cameras. And they said they didn't have cameras because the camera quality or the recording quality was terrible anyway.

It doesn't help. It never helps. They told the cops. It's true, though. You see that footage and you're like, a guy came in and did that. You can't see any details or anything like that. And this is one of those ones that doesn't even capture it completely. it does every couple seconds it grabs a frame.

Oh, I hate those so much. Yes, really shitty, just to see what's going on quickly. So it's almost like a weird flip book, if you've ever seen those. So they use these frames along with witnesses who'd seen two men walking away from the beach to try to construct what the fuck happened here. The faces, they seem to point to two men that they knew as petty criminals around town. Got it. So they're like, we know those guys. We know a blonde and a brunette who are both petty criminals who that kind of resembles.

So the police go pick these two idiots up. Basically, keep them for about 24 hours of talking to them and trying to figure it out. Then about another 12 hours working through their stories and checking alibis and doing all this type of shit before they realized that these fucking guys didn't do this. They didn't do anything. They didn't do this at all. So we've just spent 36 hours of the first 40 years. 48, as you know, completely wasted on the wrong suspects, which is not great. Yeah, we got 12 hours to go. Let's take a break.

This is bad. Yeah. Shit. Now we're fucked. Yeah. So people in Seaside, though, had seen these, this was on the news and on all the, newspapers and all that kind of thing. So people said they looked and they said, that's not the guys that you're saying it is. People said they knew that these guys gait and can tell by their walk who it was. Oh. And they said, you have got the wrong fucking guys here. You have got completely the wrong guys.

The guys you're looking for are not even really criminals. They don't really have much of a criminal record. And they weren't even on the radar, the guys that the people around town were talking about. Okay. They hadn't even thought about those guys. They weren't even on a suspect list or anybody to talk to. These are other people going. That footage looks like these guys.

Huh. So not only does the footage look like this other pair. This pair of gentlemen, of young gentlemen, apparently for the last day and a half have been calling everyone they know and telling them that they murdered two people on the beach. What? Which is crazy. Several friends of the people who are identified by others as being in that video told investigators that they were contacted by one of them by telephone within a day of the shootings. And during the course of the conversations, this guy said that he and his friend, the other guy that. that we'll talk about, we're going to leave the state.

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And when asked by the friend, why did you kill two people on the beach, this young gentleman said, quote, for the hell of it. For nothing? Nothing. For the hell of it. Just for shits and giggles, for kicks. So that's interesting. And the investigators say that sounds right because this appears to be unprovoked, whatever happened here. The investigator said it appears to be a motiveless killing.

Most crimes are irrational. Okay. Now, this suspect now placed two calls to his friend and co-worker, a guy named Eric Mansell after the murders. And this Mansell told police that during the first call about four, hours after the murders that morning, the guy said, quote, something really big happened. Yeah. That's the way he put it. Something really big happened.

What? I killed two people. And he also denied the other guy's involvement. You know, there's a pair here. He said, the guy that was with me, he didn't do anything. He told this guy. Then the suspect called this friend back again later that afternoon. And the friend Mansell had heard about.

the bodies found on the beach and said, why'd you do it? And that's when he said, for the hell of it. So he told multiple people for the hell of it, which is very interesting. Now, physical evidence, they sifted through, basically, they sectioned everything off into 45-foot squares. Yeah. And then you could comb it like space balls, basically, and get whatever you want out of it at sand. So they said that they identify the weapon as a 9-millimeter calico semi-automatic handgun. that's the weapon.

They said that there's footprints and cigarette butts as well that they found around here, which will be something. Now, several people who they talk to who are acquainted with these suspects, who actually called the police and said, I think that's them, they both say that they smoke that brand of cigarettes and own shoes with similar tread patterns to the ones found there, which is interesting. And like I said, the cigarettes were found consistent with the cigarette butts around there, the ones that they smoke. Now, there was some people that basically three people who were on the beach, this is in addition to those two guys who we talked about before. This is a group of three people said that two young men who resembled the suspects approached them, you know, a brunette and a blonde, approached them on the beach at about 4 a.m. Well, they had a bonfire going. According to them, these two suspects mentioned that their television was not working. That's why they were out walking around because their TV broke.

Yeah. And that they made threatening remarks to them. These two suspects had made threatening remarks to the three of them. So there's two, someone, two guys were walking around menacing people on the beach until this happened. So. Our TV's broke. I'm going to kick your ass. I'm going to kick your ass.

That'd be easy. I'm going to shoot you. Those are the remarks that they made? No, just weird remarks. Like threatening remarks, like, we'll talk, we'll find out what they were, but it was really weird. We'll go through the whole thing. But it was a real, real weird back and forth that they had. So police believe that the suspects had no reason to shoot Nims and Goza.

And they believe, as we'll find out, based on evidence, that they modeled the killings depicted in the film. in the film In Cold Blood, which is the 1967 movie version of the 1965 Truman Capote book in Cold Blood about the two guys who come in and murder a family. In a house in Nebraska. In a house in Nebraska. But the fact that they didn't know that family and everything like that, it's a thrill killing is what they were doing. And they got nothing out of it. Exactly. So that's what they think this is probably they, because we'll find out why in a minute here.

But there's also 911 tip. And they say, we know this one suspect has a blonde and the other one has brown hair. And another friend called to say that one of the suspects was known to carry a recently purchased 9mm in his green backpack. Okay. The affidavit also reveals that police had looked at these two as suspects the same morning of the shootings when they started getting calls, but they were wasting their time with other people. A 911 dispatcher received an anonymous call mid-morning, identifying the two guys as involved in the killings.

The caller said the pair was headed to California or Mexico, which tons of tips come in. And when some young person calls and they go, hey, I know the guys that did it. It's these two dudes and they're on their way to Mexico. Right. That sounds like a load of shit, essentially. It's a very common thing to say, especially on the West Coast. Absolutely. everybody. We'll just run away to Mexico, like that works. So let's find out who these suspects are.

Here we go. Okay. Bradley Charles Price is the first. He's born December 11, 1974, so he's 22 years old while all this is going on. He grew up in Brookings, Oregon, which is down south there, kind of along the California border, but it's also a harbor fishing kind of a, you know, ocean town. Now, Price was a star athlete at Brookings High School. He was like a really good athlete, a football player. He also wrote poetry. Bradchuck is a writer. Bradley Price, yeah, it's very interesting that he writes poetry and plays football. Those are two things don't usually go together. He also really loved movies, like really loved them,

and would watch the same ones over and over and break them down and really love movies. It was a big into film type of shit. He went to the University of Oregon for about a year before he dropped out. Right. So he was going pretty damn well for a while and then some weird, you know, just didn't, things kind of fell apart for him. People who knew him called him a quiet, outstanding student. He was a starter on the Brookings Harbor High School football team for a while anyway. He graduated in 93 and attended University of Oregon.

a reporter for a newspaper who was a classmate of Bradley's while they attended Brookings recalled Price as a quiet but friendly kid and a good student. Right. Okay. He said he was a year ahead of me in school and he always got good grades. The circle of friends he had was small but good students. The Brookings community is shocked. It doesn't fit Brad's character.

What was wrong, Brad? He said many people in Brookings. believe Price was forced into it by the other guy and probably has been murdered by now. So what everyone's saying in Brookings is he's probably dead. Brad's buried somewhere. Yeah, the other guy probably forced him into it. And then this guy killed Brad because he's a witness and he's, you know, dumped him in the ocean or something along the way from him. So he said that's what everybody in Brookings thinks.

Like that's the way it works. According to this guy here, Brad Price's mother. Pat said, violence is totally out of his character, meaning Brad's. In all of his life, he's never even been in a fist fight. I've never heard him raise his voice or shout.

I couldn't have asked for a better kid. Wow. Okay. His high school football coach, Darrell. Darrell Herb said that Price was a, quote, hard worker and had a good attitude. Uh-huh. Oh, boy.

He said that Price started as a defensive back as a junior, but lost his starting position following a car accident where he was injured and never got it back. Oh shit. He said, quote, but he maintained a good attitude throughout the season. That shows character. Yeah. If you can root for the people who took your job and not be bitter about it and sit there and hope they suck, then that shows character. So that's the good of Bradley.

Yeah. There's also the bad. He claimed to some of his friends that he dropped out of the University of Oregon because he, quote, lost focus and started to do less well in school and was going to drop out and go back, but he wanted to protect his grade point average. So while he was fucking up, he didn't want to do it. He had a 3.14 GPA and he didn't want to mess that up. He wanted to keep it. So he also, though, would admit that he was majoring in. English literature, but he also said that he'd been using a smoking a lot of weed and doing a

bunch of acid, too. Oh, and acid. Which will make you lose focus. Hard to focus on anything when you're on acid, unless it's shiny or sparkly. So Brad stayed briefly with his older sister in Crescent City after he dropped out of Oregon there. Like I said, a lot of the kids that know him, especially from school, referred to him as the All-American boy. And his mom said, just a sweet kid, never did any, never raised his voice, never in a fist

fight. Right. He's got a sister. His older sister has a completely different view of him. We fought like cats and dogs. Well, his older sister's 30, so she's eight years older than him. So it wasn't really fighting. It's what came later.

Her name is Brandy Eller. And she said that Brad once threatened to kill her seven-month-old son. What? I'll kill your baby as a criminal. crazy threat. Outrageous. And talk to her on several occasions about, quote, shooting someone in the head. What's happening there?

I don't know. She said that her brother, quote, was being portrayed as some kind of nice, all-American kid, and he isn't. I just want people to know that there's a side of him that my mother and other relatives won't talk about. So she's like, he fucking did it. My brother, I know he's a scumbag, which is wild. But mom won't even say it. She loves him too much. But I fucking hate that guy.

I hate him. He's a dick. She said she was shocked. She sounds like Jennifer Gray and Ferris Bueller at this point. Like she's like, that's what she sounds like. But I don't think Ferris Gray threatened to kill, or Ferris Gray, Ferris Bueller threatened to kill Jennifer Gray's baby. That would have been a totally different thing. You know, that would have been odd.

A real strange twist of that story. That's in Ferris Gray's day off. Ferris Day Off. Oh, man. So she said she was shocked that someone she was related to could be attached to such a crime, but that she could believe Brad was involved. Oh, I buy it, she says. She believes it.

She said she believes that the district attorney is right when he called the murder's thrill killings. She said, I know some people think he might have been forced into doing it, but I don't think so. She's just throwing him right under the bus and then getting in starting it up and going back and forth, just running him over. Thrill killing. I think my brother's good for it. I think he could do it. I really do. She said, I think he's willing, I think he was willing all the way. He mentioned to me before wondering what it would be like to, quote, shoot someone in the head. I can believe he did it just to see what it was like. I'm talking now because people must know the truth about Brad. He was a real good kid in high school, but he changed a lot once he went away to college. He was into drugs, doing them and selling them. Oh, how about that? So she blows up the entire narrative that his family put out of like, no, not our guy. Exactly our guy. She said she hasn't talked to Brad in more than two years, not since he threatened to kill her then seven-month-old son.

He said he told me he, meaning the son, would be an easy target and he just wanted to do it. Yeah, seven-month-old, then it won't put up much of a fight. I'll tell you that much. You could just kill him. Interesting. They'll think you're giving them Cheerios. They have no idea. They don't know the difference.

She said, I kicked him out and haven't seen him since. Okay. Okay. Now, his stepmother, Sue, was quoted by saying Brad, Brad was mean to her and my daughter, mean to me and my daughters, she said. She also referred to him as a daddy's boy, which is very funny. This is a lot of resentment. Like, they resent that the father paid attention to him. him and the sister seems to resent it too.

I mean, later on, it makes sense that she would not like him, but it's very funny, daddy's boy. The stepmother could not be reached for comment. However, the sister said that her father would do all he could to protect Brad. So would family members in Brookings. Good Lord. She's saying that. She said, my mom, grandmother, and other relatives, no, Brad wasn't the perfect kid they

all claim he was, but they won't admit it. They won't talk about it. I think they would go to great lengths to hide him. They're even saying they're aiding and abetting now. Wow. Great lengths. Great lengths. Mom always believed he was perfect, but he isn't.

And she is a ride or die for this complete fuck-up. The sister went on to say that she once had a photograph of Brad with her two sons, Holden and Brandon, both of them nine years old. Quote, he had his arms around. them holding his finger formed like a gun pointed at their head. Not a rabbit ears. Yeah. A gun to a child's head.

When I got mad at him, I tore him out of the picture. I wish I still had that photo. Brad did that? Brad did that. Yeah. Apparently. Now, a little more from his loving sister. With her as your PR, as your publicist, you really can't go wrong.

Yeah. Jesus Christ, she should be a district attorney this broad. like I'm ready to convict him after this opening statement. Sounds like a bad guy. Fuck my brother. Fuck him. She added that when he was young, Brad would throw a tantrum if he didn't get his way. He was bang his head onto the floor until he got his way, quote unquote. Quote, he would break things and throw things around the house.

She said he did this till he was 10 or 11. She also claimed that he hit her and kicked her until he was about 12 or 13. After that, however, when he began high school, they started to get along well. Maybe because he took his energy out on football. I'm not sure. That's the type of kid that football's good for. Well, any sport, really, something to just focus. Fuck.

He needs to bang into things. He's one of those kids. He needs one of those slam bang kids, they call him. He's got to be like, ah, hit that, and that's how he gets his energy out. Wrestle football. Yeah, something. Yeah, wrestling will take it out of you. Just the fucking losing weight will take it out of you.

kid'll be like, I just dropped eight pounds to make weight. I was in a sauna. I don't feel good. Spitting in a bottle and you don't even dip. Yeah, disgusting. But then he became, quote, but then he became verbally abusive. His stepfather once told me,

Brad isn't happy unless he's hurting someone or causing them pain. The stepdad said that? His stepdad said that. I can see him doing something violent like this, not because he was mad, but just to see what it would be like. So a ringing endorsement from his older sister, just a ringing endorsement there.

Yeah, it doesn't look good. Now, his only scrapes with the law for Bradley Price, he's 22, and his only problems with the law are littering. He got a littering ticket. Right. And underage possession of alcohol. Who cares? Yeah. How much littering you got to do to get a ticket for it?

It depends. If you're a teenager and they want to break your balls or something, they'll, they can, And who knows if he mouthed off? The guy said, pick that up. And he said, I'm not pick up. I don't know what you're talking about. And he said, okay, here's your ticket. Who knows?

But underage possession of alcohol, who gives a shit? We all kind of got caught for that a trillion times. Who cares? They said he drifted up the coast to the north coast to seaside, which is where it started to go wrong for him once he got here. According to his sister again, his PR agent here, he moved to seaside to be closer to his older brother, who lives in Seaside and a story as two places, he said he spent a short time with me before I kicked him out. He really changed after he went off to college.

I've been told he was selling drugs and doing a lot of drugs in Seaside. That's what she said. He is also described by a member of the police department as this is a real succinct way to put it. Quote, an estranged college kid that sat around and drank robatone. to get high. Yikes. A strange college student is a terrible phrase. Estranged.

Like college broke up with him. Not even like they... He broke up with college. Yeah. It was like abandoned him. Yeah. An estranged college kid that drank Robitusson. And the one word summary that a lot of people have for him,

including the cops, based on his whole little profile here, is follower. Brad's a follower, period. He is not a leader. He is a follower. Lost and follower. That's not good. And a follower. And so he needs someone to follow.

And in February 96, he found a friend to follow. Oh, boy. And this is pathetic because this kid's 19. He's three years younger than him. Right. When you're 22, you don't follow someone who's not even allowed to buy alcohol. Right. You don't fuck out of here.

What do you follow them to the arcade? Because they can't get drunk. You can't buy scratchers. I'm not following. you. This is crazy. So this friend he meets is Jesse Carl McAllister. He's born December 30th, 1977. So he's 19.

Now, he's described, he's a real interesting guy here, a friend of his said he did well in school. He never really got in fights and he always did his work. He attended Seaside High School as a freshman. no extracurriculars or involvement. He just went to class. Then he went to Bridges, a school called Bridges in 93-94, following his freshman year at Seaside High School.

Bridges was a five-district alternative education program for kids who fucked up in regular school. You knew that's what it was called. You knew that's what it was called Bridges. Yeah. You knew the, you know the B school. Yeah. This bridge is the dip shit. into regular school, regular working environment.

Where I grew up, it was Bosees. That's what it was, B-O-C-E-S, and it was basically all the kids who got kicked out or dropped out or really wanted to be welders. That's where they went. They did like vocational shit. Was it an acronym? I think it was.

Yeah. I forget what ours was, but it was an acronym. And then we had Polaris that was for the pregnant girls at night. Yeah, for the pregnant, yeah. It's an acronym, an acronym of things that won't happen. It's an acronym of like helping make better. No, it's just a storage. It's a storage place for 16-year-olds who smoke cigarettes in class.

That's what it is, basically. This is a place, this was a church that kids would go during the morning Monday through Friday when they don't have church services. It was just a way for the church to get paid for a building that was unoccupied at the moment. Use their space. The kids get somewhere to go without getting arrested. It's all great. And perhaps because they're here Monday through Friday,

Maybe they'll come back on Sunday and throw some money in the bond. Yeah, right. So McAllister completed the equivalent of his sophomore year at Bridges. Then he returned to school a little later but didn't get any credits or anything. So didn't really do anything. School officials will not comment on, you know, anything he did. But people do not believe that he earned either a high school diploma or GED, McAllister. So after Bridges is when he had.

his first brush with the law here. Sure. He spent time in the Clatsup County Jail after beating up three people on the beach in Seaside. Oh. Beating up three people. A brawl on the beach is fucking nuts. Him versus three people.

I don't know who he beat up, but he beat up three people. Someone who knows him said, quote, he told me he liked jail. He said he enjoyed it. Okay. Okay. Wow. So he did that. Now, his personality, they said, during the jail sentence intensified. One of his friends said, quote, he was like a real power tripper. He said he had a reputation for fighting, but he would also kick people out of his apartment at the drop of a hat. He's just real, his temper was just wild. This hair trigger on him. This friend said, I'd sit there with the guys and they would talk about. beating people up all the time. He was constantly getting in fights. When this friend was asked, this friend would ask them to stop talking about fighting, she said, quote, they couldn't do it.

They would say, you just don't understand the testosterone. Jesus Christ, man. Yeah, that's what it is. He's a bad boy, James. Yeah, there's an energy you have when you're 19 about fighting. That's just, that's a thing that happens when you're 19. especially dependent on where you're from, your background. Yeah, it's frustrating because you're an adult. You can die for a country at that time, but you can't have a swig of beer.

So there's like a frustration level of unsure where you fit in. It goes from pretty much 15 to, you know. But once you're 19 and you're done with high school, if you're not going to college, it's like then I'm an adult. If I'm not in school, then I'm a big boy. Yeah, totally. I mean like this, this fighting for no reason. This goes from 15 and ends sometimes never.

Yeah, sometimes the 50-year-old dude that just loves to fight. It just loves to fight or he beats up his wife or he does whatever. It can go on forever. Sometimes it burns out in your early 20s and sometimes it never stops. It's crazy. So now there's some people that they don't like him and have some things to say about him too. The local police sergeant called him a violent kind of gang banging type of kid who was not afraid of anything. Gang banging?

Gang banging. I don't know what kind of gangs they have in seaside, Oregon among 7,000 people. What's his set? I am not sure. So the manatees, I believe he's a part of. The folk. Very exclusive. So he already had a felony on his record, which is burglary in the first.

degree, which is interesting. So now he's a 19-year-old convicted felon as well. And they said that he's got, which hang on to that for a second, because that'll come up. And he's got a temper as well. Like I said, this temper is wild. They said he's got a temper and mood swings. He has a hard time disguising, basically. They said basically he would fight all the time. He also spent time in jail for assault. Okay. Another different time is besides the three people on the beach. A school friend of his talking about the murder said, quote, I kind of think he did it.

Hey, thanks. Appreciate that. I kind of think he did it. Yeah, this young lady says this. They went to school for a couple of years. She wished to remain anonymous for her own safety. Yeah. Other friends say that while McAllister started out amicably with people.

something changed along the way. One friend named Patrick Whistler said, we were close when we were younger in first through fifth grade. Well, everyone's different in fifth grade. Everyone's close first through fifth grade. Yeah, everyone's friends.

When you have a birthday party in first grade, you give an invitation to everyone in the class. The whole fucking class. The whole class. You don't discriminate. He remembers the two of them playing in a fort on McAllister's relatives property after school. However, when McAllister's relatives' property after school, however,

when McAllister moved to Washington with his mother after finishing grade school, they lost touch. He said he saw McAllister, or McAllister hitchhiking through seaside around Christmas of last year. Oh. He said it was the first time he'd seen them since their freshman year of high school. He said, we talked a bit. And he said, that was the last he heard of him, quote, until the news. Do you know, that he's wanted this new thing? as a murder suspect.

One of the friends said, I mean, he did have a preoccupation with violence, but she said he always treated his friends well and, quote, he was a super nice guy. Okay. Wow. That's another thing with women is they can see some guy do some crazy shit and then go, he's a super nice guy. He was nice to me. Yeah. I mean, yes, I just watched him curb stomping old man. But there's something to me.

He's just so sweet. When I look in his eyes, I can see what's really in there. And that's pretty nice guy. Sweetness and niceness. His boss here, McAllister worked at a bunch of seaside restaurants as a cook. Oh? Just like Brooke did. Yeah.

He worked at Moby's seafood and Shouter House. Oh. Owned, of course, by the bald-headed techno guy, Moby. That would be amazing. Come, come get my chowder. in downtown seaside. His boss, Rocco, hey Rocco, tell me about it over here.

Rocco said, he was a hard worker. Always on time, this guy. Yeah. That's what he said. That's what a hard worker is, James. Always on time. Punctual.

Well, when you run a restaurant, that is a hard worker. Well, yeah, but shows up for their shift is like, oh my God. He's like a monk, basically. Like he works, he's stowa. That's really, that's so minimum. He showed up for most of his shifts.

My God, stalwart. The vast majority of people show up for their shifts and then just spend that eight hours trying to not do their shift. Not doing it, dicking off. Well, in the restaurant industry, even that, half the time, you don't know when they're even showing up. In the kitchen, they have to show up or they get fired. Yeah, right. Waiters, there's always someone else you can call in. It's a different story.

As a cook, your shift, we can tell when you're not doing your job. Well, yeah. You know what I mean? Hey, someone's looking in the window. Hey, in there. Hey, guys. What fuck's my food? I got a table bitching.

Table eight are assholes and I'm starting to not blame them. They've been here two hours, you guys. Can we feed them? Oh, God. He said, though, a sound work ethic was not enough for this guy for McAllister. He said he was subject to mood changes, temperamental. when he was mad, he let you know it. Oh.

So that's how it goes. Yeah, so he's got a temper is what it is. He said sometimes he would simmer. One day, McAllister was brooding over a situation with his girlfriend, so Rocco told the other employees, he looks mad enough to kill. When that happened, he said later on, quote, I wasn't shocked about the murders. I kept a guy employed, who I'm pretty sure was capable of murder. I just kept him anyway. That's the restaurant business.

It's fucking baffling. There's not been one person apart from a man's mom who has said, I don't think they could have. Everybody's just like, yeah, I can see it. That can see it. That's exactly how Rocco probably said it. I could see it. But that's how, that's how. I do like that he used as a cooking term for the, I saw him simmering one day.

And then he was boiling. He didn't use that term. The newspaper did. He should have used it. That would have been great. So this is fucking in the restaurant business too. If a guy can get food out on time, if he doesn't murder in the restaurant, we're good because it's hard to get a guy who shows up every day and does what he's supposed to do. It's too hard.

So McAllister, like we said, he's the one who called all his friends and told him what he did. He's the guy making phone calls, which is amazing. The only aspect of his potential involvement in the crime that surprises Rocco, his boss, was his subsequent behavior. He said, quote, sounds like he was almost proud of what he did, calling people, telling people. He said that I'm getting more and more astonished at his audacity. More and more. It is crazy that he just bragged about it like he's proud of it. But then why you're running if you're so proud?

Well, yeah, proud of it and wanting to be in prison forever. It's two different things. I thought you liked jail. Yeah. Thought you like jail. Then I like this. This is amazing. Rocco, he's going to break down philosophical shit here for us.

I love this here. He said that the killings might have been for his sense of self-worth. He said he might have been lacking in some. A guy named Rocco telling you about your self-worth. He said he was always known for his intimidation. Yeah. He said he got older, though, started. hanging out with older people, and he discovered that he couldn't intimidate as easily.

So maybe he needed this. Yeah. That's what happens. He's got to prove himself to these older folks. Yeah. He said, he may have decided, quote, maybe if I kill a couple people, they'll be scared to me. I guess his dark side was darker than most.

Jesus, Rocco. So it's a big leap, Rocco, of proving your self-worth to others. Yeah, he really was like, let me break it down psychologically. I took a year of psychology and community college. You know, one year, it glats up, but it's all right. Let me find out where Rocco's from, because he's a fucking horrifying man. Fucking Rocco. His other friend again, this is the guy he went to school with, he says that, yes, McAllister

probably possessed a brooding aspect to his personality. He isn't completely convinced that he had a hand in murdering to people. He said, and yet he's not so sure. He can't tell. I could see it. I could see it. So I just, I could see what I goes right there, you know? He said, quote, I hate to stereotype someone, but it's like he could.

He was like that. What do you hate to then? He said, if he wanted something bad enough, he could work hard enough to get it. But then you could also see the other side of him where it was like, I don't care. Hmm. He said when this guy said when he learned that McAllister was a suspect in the double homicide, he said it rattled him. He said, quote, it was bad. Yeah.

Questions popped into my head. Was it for money? Was it for drugs? Was he on drugs? Though he said he hasn't. He said, I won't say that he did it for sure because he hasn't been convicted of anything. Quote, innocent until proven, he says. That's what it says, yeah.

But there's a lot of people that can see it. They can see it. Now, just like Price, there's a lot of other people who say he's a fucking aim. Oh. What are you talking about? The guy is an angel. Yes. Absolutely. His cousin here, Katie Larson, said that, quote, I think it's completely wrong. There is no way he did it. I think the only way he did it was for self-defense. Now, that's what they said, despite the fact that he's called, like, a bunch of people to brag about it. And, yeah, it's pretty sure they did it. There's no weapon on them. How do you self-defense? defense, shoot two people in the fucking forehead. Exactly. Well, they could have taken the weapon and thrown it in the sea or, you know, a seagull could have came and taken it for later.

You know, you never know. They'll need anything. It's people in the forehead. In the forehead. Now, a little bit about Brad and Jesse here. Now that we have them set up as these two characters, Brad, the kind of quasi-all American boy football player, McAllister, the dropout alternative school guy and all that kind of thing. So June of 1996, Brad and Jesse move into an apartment together.

Okay. Brad is the older one. Jesse is the younger, more aggressive one. Apartment and seaside together. By summer of 97, they were still living together. So they lived together for a year at this point. Everybody said McAllister is an aggressor in every situation. Brad once, Brad later on, will say his personality was really,

violent and he was not terribly conscious of the world around him. That's Brad talking. He had been in several fights in Brad's presence. McAllister had told Price and other people that he wanted to be a hitman at some point. And according to the later testimony, McAllister had been harboring a desire to kill another person for about two years, really into it, really wanted to kill somebody. We've had this happen. about 15 times in this show where someone thought hitman was a job that you like

apply for yeah not something you kind of fall into in some weird way because you're into the mafia anywhere guys they really do i look for them in high school i saw the marine guys bothering everybody i saw these people that i never saw you know a couple of guineas and suits going i mean you know no benefits but there's money in it nice suits too i mean come on we got the best food i'll tell you Money, food and respect. Don't listen to this fucking Marine guy. Hey, you guys got bullshit food. Come on.

What are you talking about? This guy, they ain't going to give you nothing. We got the freshest fucking bread sandwiches every goddamn day. This guy, you're going to hold up. Paid terribly to kill. They got to fucking mush. They got to fucking mush these guys. And they got to kill.

They don't even fucking know who they are, these fucking guys. What are you kidding me? You got to go over there, fly over here, eat shitty food, kill people. We'll show you who he is. We'll walk you right up to it. That's the fuck out of here. No way. No way.

So anyway, that's what's happening there. Now, July of 1997, McAllister was still employed as a cook at Moby's Seafood and Shouterhouse. And Brad Price was a clerk at video warehouse. Oh, video store guy. He works at the video store. Now, speaking of movies, they have a movie that they love. And that is in cold blood. It is.

From 67. They made a remake in like 2000-something, but this is the 1967 version of this story. Was it called In Cold Blood, the remake? Was it just Compote? Yeah, in Cold Blood. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, no, they made In Cold Blood and then In Cold Blood again. So, yeah, this is, you know, VHS tape.

They're renting over and over again. 1965. I can't remember if that one's in color or not. I think it's black and white. I honestly can't remember. I saw it in, you know, when I was 10 or something. I don't remember. but I can't remember if it's black and white.

67, most of the films were color by then, but there was still a couple in black and white. But the book is awesome, and there's been a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot of killers, like serial killers who this is the first thing that got them hard, was in Cold Blood. Yeah. BTK read it 100 times.

He loved it. Really? Loved it, loved it, loved it, loved it, loved it. Because it was also in his area. you know. I didn't see the movie, I don't think. I may have, but I for sure didn't read the book. But I know the story.

And the story itself is the most horrifying fucking thing. How that could make you. They love it. That's what gets them off. Wow. That's how you know your brain works. If you read that and you're not, I mean, you can be horrified. You could be interested.

You could even be titillated, but you've got to be a little horrified. That's the thing. If you're not horrified. Terrifying. If you're like, yeah, more, it's, you've got a problem. And it's one of the first ones that was nationwide known of, like, more or less a boogeyman that killed the whole fucking family, right? Yeah, and there was Henry Lee Lucas before that.

There was a whole bunch. There was tons of them. It happened all the time. But like in the fucking heartland like that where nothing happens? He just wrote a really good book about it is why, because he's a good writer and wrote a book. And that's what gave it such run is because it's a good book. Otherwise, it would have just been, by the way, side.

No one would no shit about it. The story, by the way, is Dick Hickok and Perry Smith, there were two drifters. In November of 59, they broke into a Kansas farmhouse. They were looking for a state. They heard there was a safe full of money there that was not there. So instead of getting money, they just murdered all four members of a family for no reason. And then went where, Jimmy? Where did they go?

Oh, was it to Mexico? To Mexico. How about it? According to records, McAllister and Price, Brad and Jesse, or Jesse and Brad in that case, respectively, rented in cold blood at least four times in the month before the murders. Kept renting it. So that's interesting. Four times in less than 30 days renting the same movie. They were into it.

The other thing is the gun. McAllister had wanted a gun for a long time. He was trying to get a gun. Now, he's a 19-year-old felon. So he can't. He's under 21 and he's a felon. So strike one, strike two. No way to get through it.

But what he did is about two weeks before the murders, he had Brad purchased the weapon for him, who's not a felon and he's over 21. He got a calico 9mm at a store. How expensive weapon in it? It is. And yep, it's, you know, 50 round magazine, all that kind of thing. I'll just read. This is from the newspaper. Investigators from the Clatsup County major crime team believe a calico 9mmeter was used to murder Frank Nims and Gabriella Goza.

The firearm holds 50 rounds per magazine, according to Sky of Skies, gunsmithing, and Astoria. The pistols, which are awkward and tend to jam, weigh about two and a quarter pounds when empty and three and a quarter pounds when loaded. The 16-inch semi-automatic pistol has a six-inch barrel, and many come with a collapsible gunstock. Oh, so it's like a tech nine. Exactly. It's a tech nine which don't work for shit either. They're the worst. They're the worst.

Every rap song, you could tell they never used one because they would be like, this tech nine sucks and I had to throw it in the gutter because it broke. That would be what they'd be fucking singing about. I had one. It's an in a tech nine. That's why they call it tech. Like the water guns. The water gun people made real guns.

I thought that was crazy. Remember those in the 80s the greatest water guns ever? It's crazy. It has this long ass mag for, No reason, because every three rounds you're clearing the chamber. It's the biggest piece of shit ever. Those enter tech water guns ruled the world until Super Soaker arrived. They were battery operated.

You had to put batteries in them, and they were like, do, do, do. They'd be like automatic water guns. You just hold the trigger down. It was like an oozy and shit. And then Super Soaker came out, and it was like, okay, well, it's not automatic, but holy fuck. Well, maybe they got water inside. child over with this. Maybe that water inside all these pistols.

And that's why they don't fucking work anymore. Maybe. Maybe that. So they said others are equipped with a fixed wooden butt. So this is a very specific gun. Now the seller of the gun said that this is amazing. He knew that this was a sham happening before him. Brad didn't come in by himself and buy the gun and all that.

He said, quote, words were said that it was clearly McAllister's gun. McAllister could not own a gun because he was on probation or something. And he was underage and a felon. But he said, obviously, this guy was buying a gun for his friend, but he let him do it anyway. Wow. Good job, asshole. So July 11th, three days before the murders here, they need some ammo. They need ammo.

McAllister asks Price. to buy ammunition for the gun. Mm-hmm. And he does. So he buys him the ammo. And then the two of them go to a local cemetery to test fire this gun. They're firing guns in a fucking cemetery. Which is the dumbest place because there's no quieter place.

Right. Then that. Why would you go to the quietest place and fire guns off? It is interesting how much room that land has and how there's never any. anybody there. So I guess that. But it's always on the perimeter populated with something. Something.

That's why kids go there to drink and fuck. Yeah. There's nobody there. It's a huge area where no one is. I'm not fucking in a cemetery. I'm not going out in a cemetery. That's just weird. But some people love that shit, whatever.

So, yeah, so he buys him the gun. And then that's what they did. They took it to a cemetery and they test fired it. Yeah. Okay. Now, then after that, they have a gun. They have the bullets. They've been watching fucking in cold blood over and over.

So they basically were like, well, let's find somebody to shoot. Here we go. In the weeks leading up to this, what they did is they would cruise beach areas in McAllister's car, which is a 77 Impala, which is a huge giant shitbox. Yeah. It's a picture. It's bad. It's a big boat and it's a shitty one in bad shape. It's a crappy car.

It's got to be close to the end of that run. Until they started remaking them in like fucking 02 or whatever. There's something like that. Yeah, it has to be. Yeah, that's the end of that shit. It's a bad car. So they drove the coast looking for people. Uh-huh.

And that's what they did. Yeah, it's very fucking interesting. One of McAllister's friends said, I didn't really think that he would go to such an extreme. Right. So he was talking about going around looking for people to shoot, but I didn't think he'd actually do it. Yeah.

They said that this one friend, a young lady, said based on what she heard from others who saw McAllister that night, that McAllister and Price may have been hanging out with Nims and Goza that night. She said, I think they were drinking together. Okay. But prior to that night, McAllister's not a big drinker, she said. Conditions of his release from jail and probation included a ban on drinking and smoking weed. so he hadn't been drinking that much. Now, she said she wasn't aware that McAllister knew either Nims or Goza,

but said that he probably saw Goza regularly because they worked directly across the fucking street from each other. These restaurants are right here. The pizza place and Moby's are right across the street from each other. They get off work at the same time, probably go to the same groups and gatherings of people and probably have run into each other before.

They're aware of each other likely. Has to be. So two days after the murders, police go to their apartment and knock on the door. They're McAllister and Price. They're going to kick the door down here. 359 9th Avenue number five. And they're not there. They're gone.

Pretty much everything is gone in the apartment, except a few things. They find a non-functioning television at the residence. Remember he said his TV didn't work. Right. a non-functioning television. They find shoe boxes, which have footwear with treads similar to the ones that they found at the crime scene, also in the apartment. And they said a vehicle belonging to Brad Price remained parked outside. McAllister's 77 Impolished Shitbox was missing.

And the apartment appeared to have been hastily abandoned. Yeah. Just like clothes taking shit. The 77 is the best car of the two. That's the reliable one. Yeah, who keeps the shoe boxes back then? That's, I don't know. If it's not a collectible shoe, you don't keep the shoebox.

It's not getting some New Jordans or something. So now they have to go on a manhunt. Now the FBI and the local police believe, because that later on the FBI will be involved, they believe they're traveling in the 77 gray Chevy and Pala, Oregon license plate VGL-036. All right. So McAllister and Price are believed to be still carrying the murder. weapon. So, hey, approach with caution. One of the cops

said, they are very dangerous. We have every reason to believe that Mr. McAllister and Mr. Price still had this weapon with them. Frightening. A 50 round magazine in this thing. Jesus. So the FBI is involved because they appear to have left the state, at least, you know, have reason

to believe they've left the state. So that's when the FBI gets involved. The FBI spokesman said we've offered our assistance and you know, it's a large-scale thing. And if we have look all over the country. The Klatsup County police can't find them. So, yeah, they said we've obtained a federal warrant for unlawful flight to avoid prosecution. There are rumors that they're in Idaho, and there's also rumors that they are. That's because that's where his dad, Brad Price's dad is,

the one that will do anything for him, Daddy's boy. And then either that or California or Mexico, Those are the three rumors going around that they friends have said. There's a bank teller that says they came driving the getaway car through the bank in Newport with price driving. California? No, no. Oh, in Newport, Oregon. Oregon. Got it.

Yeah. So they were able to flee, basically. And this is what the prosecution. The prosecutor said the DA said they were able to flee because they had a 36 out. hour head start. We looked with the wrong guys for 36 hours. They're investigating somebody else, right? Said if we looked right at them, we could have caught them before they left while

they were still making phone calls, but instead we brought two other guys in there and got nothing. He said that, you know, the investigator suspected Price and McAllister later on. He said that was when we suspected them. We did not have arrest warrants for them either when we first suspected them. They had to wait until some other people from the beach picked them out of lineups, photo lineups. That's how they were able to get the warrant, basically. So they said they've received several tips, and they're checking out other shit. Main thing to think here, though, this is the important part, everybody.

The beach is still safe. Go down there and spend all your money that you can, by the way. Regardless of how many bodies are on it, that beach is so safe. It's safe. Rosemary Baker, Monaghan, who's the president. of the Seaside City Council said, I walk the prom regularly. I'm fine. Yeah.

She said she points out that there were 19 killings in the Portland metro area recently, while the seaside shootings constitute the first murder case in four years. So it's much safer here. Yeah. You know. So he said, although the recent crime hasn't derailed her routine, she recommends everyone take precautions when you walk, regardless of time of day or location.

This isn't a beach thing or a seaside thing. This is just in general. She said, you have to be aware of your personal surroundings. Society as a whole is less safe than when I was a kid. Beyond the double homicides, local impact, perceived or perceived impact on safety, she said she's concerned about the event's indication of the state of society in general. She said if this sort of tragedy is happening in seaside,

It's saying to me that it's everywhere. You know, because if I can see it, that must mean everybody else sees it, too. This will probably be the last place it turns up. So when it does turn up here, just stay because everywhere else is deadlam. It's all fucked out anyway. You know what was your mind when you see what else is happening. We'll all die together is what I'm saying. You come over here.

Let's die together. We'll just stay here and die. Yep. A former employee of the Washington prison system here, Roger Maxwell, who lives there, said, quote, the unfortunate part is that is that kind of behavior is hitting seaside. We're used to having it in Seattle, Tacoma, Olympia area where I live.

Every day there's a homicide. No, there's not. Sometimes things are kind of catching. There's not, I hate that. There's not 365 homicides in a fucking year in Seattle at any time ever. Baltimore didn't even fucking hit that in the 80s. Like, it's not happening.

There was higher ones with bigger cities. Yeah. It's not a big enough city to have those kind of numbers generally. So they said, Maxwell said he made the trip here multiple times each summer for more than 30 years,

and he's not going to be assuade by some double homicide. I'm not happening. He said, this is a nice resort area. You're not keeping me away. That's right. He said, I know nothing about the victims, but it's damn sad

that somebody who may just be out enjoying life is going to get shot in the head. They said, while adult crime has decreased in general over the last few years. Yes, in the 90s, crime went down a lot. Youth crime is up, referring to these statistics.

If there's something we can do to interrupt this trend, that is something that the council maybe need to think of as a policy-making body. I'm not sure what we could do, but I want to start the dialogue. We need to change this attitude

that life isn't special. Those children obviously didn't have an appreciation of how dear those lives were. The other guy said, he believed that the murderers probably have been dealt a poor hand. This is the prison system guy who worked in prison. He said the suspects probably had a lousy life up to this point.

He said, you know, it's just the way it is. That's just a fact, probably. Based on their own decisions, too, though, which is wild. Totally. So they said that one guy here estimates that city of seaside and Klatsup County will have spent more than $1 million on this case by the time it's all said and done. and they said, we're going to go on as a society that's falling apart by dealing with the problem after the fact. He said, we need to have prevention.

Teachers can identify these children in kindergarten in first grade. Can they? Yeah, but we can't kill them. What do we do? Put them down? That's the problem. Unless you take them out of their environment and put them in a much better one and then give them therapy for 15 years, they're fucked by that. And they can't because one of them was a star football player.

And the other one was close with everybody, kindergarten to fifth grade. That's fine. Yep. Those teachers would have missed these two for sure. That's absolutely right. They said that, wow, this person said McAllister is a young man who is definitely headed in the wrong direction. He's just shot two people in the head, so probably. He said, we're more than happy to give him that direction now.

No expense will be spared in giving him that direction. Will somehow feel better if we put Jesse McAllister in prison. Now, this I got to agree with. you won't spend a fucking penny on these kids when they're little. Nobody will. Nobody will. There's no fucking, they've gotten rid of all these programs that you think go on. They're all gone.

It's to the bone. And worse. They're shaving more. They don't give a fuck. But then if they kill somebody, we will spend $10 million on this trial to put them in prison, as we should put murderers in prison. But where the fuck was that? We could save so much fucking money if we just put a little bit of it here, but then people go, but that's my tax dollars, that they don't realize that their tax dollars are being spent

later anyway. But that's for like vengeance and they feel good about that. A kid reading, that's boring. A murderer getting the death penalty, that I want to see. That's what people do. 90% of a prison stay people, people that stay long periods of time, 90% didn't graduate high school. Extended stay. What is it? The extended stay. The extended state prisoners. The residence in staff. Yeah, the residence in members. 90% didn't graduate high school. That's not a coincidence. It's not.

It's not a coincidence. It's what I mean. Go through, ask everybody in prison, find out their lives. It's not a bunch of people who are on the fucking Dean's list and then just snap. That's not really what's in there for the most part. So that council person said, I don't know what the answer is, but think the dialogue needs to start. Everyone has to participate in the solution. She said, you can't legislate the solution.

Parents and schools and youth agencies have to get involved. So there's rewards here. By the way, weeks go by. They don't find these kids. We're talking by August 21st. Now they're trying to get rewards. A month and a week have gone by. These two are like jerkoffs.

This is not, they should be able to catch these idiots. They're really good at alluding police, evidently. They really are. And apparently, too, they can't get a reward that they want. They have a goal of a 25,000. reward and they've only raised $12,500. How hard is it to find us? A 77 Impala, too.

How many of those are on the road in 1997? Not a lot. Not only that. If you're one of these local businesses, wouldn't it behoove you to have these two people that are scaring the shit out of the tourists caught? I'd be ponying up for this fucking reward. You could probably start at every auto parts store between there and everywhere in the country. They're going to need to, yeah, they're definitely going to need a couple of things,

distributor cap over here and fucking spark plugs over here. So stop the violence, a reward fund designed to encourage tips that could lead to catching these two fucking idiots has stalled at $12,500. Shit. So they said, our goal is $25,000

$25,000. One local business is hoping to boost the fund by hosting hoops for help. So they'll have a bunch of people playing basketball and they said, we'll sell hot dogs and soda for $1.50. with all the proceeds going to the fund.

We'll also have a basketball hoop up. And if someone wants to, they can take five shots at the basket. If they make it, we'll give them tokens for it. Like for the grocery store, I guess, or something. So, interesting. So that's what's going on. Then the next week, August 28th, they got it up to $13,000. Wow.

They said, we netted $700 in the last week. So they have $13,000. $2,200 raised. That's a lot of money too back then. Yeah. They made 500 on hoops for help or whatever it was. So that's nice. They said that the event brought in $358.

Another thing they did here. And they said, I wish we had better news for the victim's families. But here's the money. You'd quote, you do what you can do. Hoops for help. How about money for murderers? Let's catch. Yeah.

There's two people dead on the beach. Cash for killers. Yeah. Cash for killers. Got a ring to it. The K's and everything. The Kuss sound. Yeah.

Then they said, again, they said the goals to raise $25,000. Now they got up to between $14,000 and $15,000 by mid-September. So it's very slowly getting toward $25,000. If they're on the lamb another year, they might raise the money. We might get there, yeah. Might get there. Now, about the reward, the police chief said the only way they'll get it is if I have McAllister in price in my.

hands. So it's, you know, I got to be caught here. They have to be caught. A local business is taking the chamber's urgings to heart by putting together a fundraiser for more money here to do this. So they're trying their best. August 14, 1997, though, there's an article here that says, Manhunt reaches lull. It's a bad word. Lull, yeah, they have nothing. They're both charged with two counts of aggravated murder. and they've been missing a month now. So, yeah, one of the police department people said, we have received no leads, no phone calls, nothing.

We have no idea where they are. No one. And the FBI is looking for them, too. No one can find them. The family hires a private investigator. Wow. I believe Frank Nims' family hired a private investigator. And he said he hopes that, you know,

that the police will pool a resource. with him. That's all. He's like, I'm trying myself. They have a couple of leads. One of them was one of the mothers came forward and said she believed her son had headed for Idaho where his father lived. That's Brad Price's mother. Investigators had no way to know if they drove, flew, stepped on a cruise. Pre-9-11, you didn't need, could have done anything. You could have slip by the airport with a fake name. You can have a shitty fake ID. They don't care.

You can't go to Idaho, though, when all you have is a 50-round mag. You are the least armed person. No, you're a pussy there. Yeah, they won't even let you join a militia with that. You may as well be unarmed for fucks sake. Get out of there. Good Lord. So we don't know if they're carrying false IDs.

And they said then some rumors started to fly. The more time there is, the more people will start to fester, like a boil and a sore. and they'll figure out weird rumors. They start saying, okay, Gabrielle Goza, Brooke, here. There's a whole theory that the murders weren't random, but they were actually something that someone had tried to abduct Brooke for ransom

because her family is prominent. And it went wrong. So that was a big, you know, rumor around town. But everybody, don't worry. Everything is fine. The cops have a laptop now, so they're going to solve it. Oh, great.

Huge Ardard. talking about how now they have a laptop. Literally, I swear to Christ. They got a think pad, you guys. They wish they had a think pad. They got a fucking Dell, and it's bad probably. They said future large-scale investigations could be less time-consuming now that Costco of Warrington has donated a $2,500 laptop computer to the police department, which, by the way, that didn't even get you that much computer back then. Oh, boy.

That was a cheap laptop, $2,500 back. then. Then the district attorney said, not all agencies can afford to have laptops. No, they can't. I sleep in a race car bed. Do you sleep in a race car bed? That's generally what they're saying there. No, I sleep in a big bed with my wife. Okay. So they said, yeah, that's how that's going to work. And they said they're very excited. They've logged many hours investigating the murders. And this laptop is really going to make the difference. We're passing it around. Everybody gets a chance. It's like the Stanley Cup.

Everyone gets to take it home for a day or two on the whole team. Take your picture with it. They put it next to them, take it out to the bar, let everybody drink out of it. Then America's Most Wanted comes along. Here we go. Call them names. Let's do it. They say America's Most Wanted will likely air an episode profiling the suspects this Saturday.

Though its broadcast isn't set in stone, the show's publicist said. a film crew from America's Most Wanted recently spent the better part of a day inside seaside gathering material for an upcoming episode. They said, unlike some America's Most Wanted segments, next week's focus on McAllister and Price will be presented as a news package

rather than the whole reenactment thing. Remember, they would just do like the this here, look out for these guys, but they wouldn't do a whole reenactment. Here's five scumbags that we want you to catch. Exactly. And they just do that. So quick, yeah,

I've got to go through them quick. America's Most Wanted, they said, receives information regarding 150 to 300 cases a week. So how do they decide which cases to do? How? Like to really profile and do the reenactment? Well, staff consider a suspect's criminal history in order to determine his or her potential danger to others when deciding which case to broadcast. Priority is given to fugitives, quote, who pose an extreme threat to society. I think these two killing people for no fucking reason,

still having a 50-round fucking magazine in their possession, I would say they fall pretty square under that. And could be fucking anywhere? And could be anywhere. I would say so. They said, but such as serial murderers or anyone who seems poised to begin a killing spree. These two seem like the perfect candidates for killing spree. They literally started.

Yeah, they're on the run, making them deserialing. making them more dangerous. Yep. Thank God they didn't read about Henry Lee Lucas. They'd have been shot 50 people along the way. Yeah. Wow. So the television show aired a 10-second spot on McAllister and Price three weeks ago.

Although the segment only generated a handful of phone responses about four or five, the publicist said, all it takes is one. We actually caught a guy with just one phone call once. And I've been talking about it. Constantly since. Never shut up about it. Never. So Frank Nimm's senior spent $2,500 out of his pocket for a private investigator, which is a lot of money back then, too.

You know what I mean? At a pocket for doing that. And then at the same time, once the PI didn't do anything or couldn't crack the case, I should say, he hired a psychic even. Oh, boy. No leads really came of anything from the psychic either. shocking. I know everybody catch your breath

that you're surprised about that. I think of psychic. I knew that. You knew that, right? See? Someone should hire you. It's good. I might have a little bit

of it too. Yeah. Hire me too. I think hire us. We're a psychic team. Psychic duo. Psychic duo, which sounds cooler.

Yeah. I like that. So October 97, they're still gone. What? Still, their car is found. Oh, yeah.

the car is found, but they made it. The car is found. They comb for clues in the cars. It is abandoned in southern Baja, California, which is fucking Mexico. It's the piece that comes down from San Diego all the way down, like Rosarito and all that shit in it. They made it to the southern tip of Baja in this car. Wow. They made it.

To the tip of the peninsula? All the way down to the bottom of Baja. Wow. That's where the car was found parked. So February 1998, it's been over six months. This is insanity now. They said that, you know, the FBI is involved. Now they know they're in Mexico based on the car, but they said basically the trail went cold at the border.

There's no, can't find anything. July 16th, 1998. Wow. A year and two days since the murders. Big articles. Suspects remain at large. a $55,000 reward, which now they have. Yeah.

It has failed to lead to the arrest of Brad and Jesse, which is fucking crazy. Wow. Nobody in Mexico heard about this reward? Because it feels like somebody down there might be like that. It's a lot of money. These two fucking gringoes, we can cash in on these idiots fast. Also, they have a memorial here. Some friends remember the victims on the year anniversary as well.

Well, Brooke's mom said, my daughter was everything to me and her two children. Her loss has caused indescribable grief and loneliness. And so she also said, please accept my sincere appreciation for every word of encouragement and your prayers. So many of us will never stop loving Brooke. So finally, July 18th, 1998, a couple days later than that. Wow. 8 a.m. A. a guy comes walking across the border near Brownsville.

Back into America, Texas. Texas? With a duffel bag. Uh-huh. Now, a customs official noted that normal people ride a bus or take a cab or something. They don't haul luggage across on foot at that hour normally. It just doesn't, so he's stuck out to that. So a customs agent basically here,

flagged him down, talked to him, and decided to check the bag he was carrying, and sent him over to another agent. So this turned out to be McAllister. McAllister was there. So they found out who he was. They found his identification. They realized he's a super wanted fugitive, and he's arrested. Just McAllister. Just him.

He's flown back on a commercial flight, which was fun for the other people on the flight. Yeah. just sitting and coach hanging out. They land in Portland and then drive over and they stick them in the Klatsup County Jail. A reporter from the Daily Astorian got to his older brother, Josh, here, and asked him about it. And Josh said, this year has been hell and it isn't getting any better as far as right now goes. That's what his brother said. Now we're going to have to deal all this shit.

It's been bad enough. He described his relationship. his relationship with Jesse McAllister as extremely close. He said he's glad the arrest was peaceful and he's glad his brother hadn't been taken by force or harmed. The two had spoken by phone on Sunday when he was in jail in Texas and he said hearing his brother's voice was nice, quote, even though it was under those circumstances and he said he's scared for his brother.

Sure. So where the fuck is Brad Price? What the fuck, Brad? two days later at a nightclub in Mexico City, which is nowhere near the border, by the way. That's down at the tip. That is way down there. Two days later, at a fucking nightclub in Mexico City,

Price is arrested. Wow. For what? They were looking for them. They picked them out. Yeah, somebody probably snitched them out or something. But they were living in an apartment together. They had shared for a while,

and then I guess McAllister decided he wanted to go back. Mexican authorities take him into custody. And then, of course, they do the deportation stuff because he's wanted and everything like that. So they hand him over to U.S. custody. The problem is Mexico will not hand him over until they agree the prosecution in Oregon agrees to not seek the death penalty because that's what all civilized countries do. Not saying Mexico's are the most civilized country. I'm just saying every European country does that. Every country, pretty much any country you think of as civilized does that except for us. We're like, we'll only give them back to you if you promise to kill him.

So it's funny. Anyway, they hand them over. They make that deal and no capital punishment. So they stick them in two different jails, Brad and Jesse. They stick them in there. They said because many of the other inmates at the Clatsup County Jail had personally known either Brooke or Frank, which, why the fuck do they know everybody in jail? The whole, half the jail population knows these two, apparently.

Which Frank was in jail, so that makes sense. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. The answer is yes. Yeah. Most, also like parole, people who own restaurants get workers from parole. That's what they do.

Sure. Because they know they'll show up every day. Yeah. They have to. They get fired. Yeah. And so Anthony Bourdain in his book said he loved hiring people on parole because they show up. They have to.

Period. They got no choice. They need that job. It's better than prison. If they don't show up here, they go back and they're in trouble. They're going somewhere. So apparently they said that the sheriff said that many inmates were yelling that they would get him if they could. Get these guys if they could.

There was two credible death threats against both suspects. The jail had no way to keep them in protective isolation at once, two people. They only had one person worth of ability to do this. that. So within days, McAllister was moved to the Polk County Jail in Dallas, Oregon, Dallas and Milwaukee, and Price was moved to the Tillamook County Jail. So now, Price is going to do a lot of talking. Yeah? Would we like to know what the fuck happened that day? Why was he? Yeah, what the fuck? Well, let's find out what went on here. Okay, 2 a.m., McAllister and Price, they'd spent half the night

bar hopping. This is because their TV broke. So we're jumping the gun. Their TV broke so they decided to go out to a bar. Yeah. And get some drinks. Okay. So they were doing that.

With an underage kid. With an underage kid. Yeah. So they're going bar hopping. So they did that. Then they went home. The TV broke. And then the TV was broke.

So they, quote, got bored. As you do. It's the middle of the night, too. Go to bed. How about go to bed? Exactly. Solve this problem tomorrow at a pawn shop. Make 30 pizza rolls, eat them all, and go to sleep.

I do it. It's great. You'll never feel better if you eat 30 pizza rolls and then go to sleep. And 22 and 19, they don't even know what fucking indigestion is yet. Fuck no. They're going to wake up, the pepperoni ones you eat, too. Those are the best ones. And then you wake up feeling like a million bucks.

They've never felt heartburn in their lives. So McAllister said, he dropped a suggestion, he said that let's go out and look for someone to kill. Jesse said that apparently. And Jesse backs that up too. That was his idea. Price said that when they set out for the beach, he knew that McAllister had brought a backpack and he knew it was in the backpack, which is the loaded Calico 9mm. So Brad gets into the car, knowing that he had a gun and all that. They first stop at Delray Beach.

that's the first place they stop at. But it's completely deserted. Totally empty. It's three in the morning, so makes sense. Nobody to kill. So they got back into the car and drove to the beach at seaside instead where they knew there'd be people. So about 4 a.m., they come upon three young people at a bonfire on the sand. This isn't the two people we talked about earlier.

This is the three. Their names are Carrie Ann Barkie, Amy Eckroff, and Kevin Wendt. Westrick. So two young ladies and a young man. Good for you, Kev's doing okay out there in that beach. This is the bonfire group here, okay? And they're young. So they're teenagers, all of them, like 18, 19, that age. So apparently they might, a couple of them are cousins, whatever. They're sitting around in a fire smoking cigarettes and talking like you do.

McAllister and Price walked up to them and introduced themselves using fake names. Okay. Number one. They talked for about a half hour. Barkie, the one Carrie Ann Barkie, said she didn't worry when McAllister told them that he had a badge and a gun in his bag. She thought it was a sarcastic reply to a joke by her cousin that she was the beach police and wanted to seize the fake identification they had.

Her cousin made a joke because they said, where were you guys tonight? They have fake IDs. I'm the beach police. I'm going to take those. they were joking. Then according to Carrie Ann Barkie, McAllister took it a weird place. Quote, he started bringing up a conversation that sounded like it had started prior to stopping at our campfire. He started talking about a notion. They kept bringing up the word notion. I got a notion. I got a notion. Notions kept coming up, which sounds like a bad 80s singles bar.

Come down to notions. They put like phones on the table where you call another table, one of those, like in that Jim Carrey movie once bitten. So it's awful. So they're sitting there and they thought it was weird, notion. Why they keep talking about a notion? And it was just Jesse and Brad talking about it. And they would like ignore the group and talk amongst each other about this notion. So it was really weird.

Now, the word notion, Brad would later say, quote, he was thinking about killing someone. That was the notion. That's what that meant, essentially. McAllister kept bringing it back up again. So this Carrie Ann Barkie said, what the fuck are you talking about? Why, you keep saying notion? What does that mean? McAllister's answer here is, quote, you'll find out as soon as I'm done with this cigarette.

So she said that scared her, this young lady. That's just the way he said it was scary. Meanwhile, while all this is going on, Price is like bringing up other things. Brad Price asked McAllister, you want to go to the liquor store or back to the the apartment. Let's get more booze. Should we go to a liquor store or the apartment to get the booze? So they think maybe that was a, he was trying to get McAllister out of here right now. Then McAllister kept asking Price what he thought about the notion. So what about that notion? And Price's answer was that he was, quote, taking precautions. I'm taking precautions.

What about the notion? I'm taking precautions. To which, At one point, McAllister said back to him in front of the group, quote, what precautions are there to take? It's perfect. There's no one around. It's dark. There's no one on the beach. So what precautions are there to take? Oh, boy.

Now he's just saying shit out loud because it doesn't matter if they hear it because he wants to kill these people. Absolutely. So Price and McAllister, they're talking to each other. And Barkey said it was, quote, almost like we weren't even there. He kept persisting about the motion, the notion. Price responded to there's no one around. It's the beach. Price responded, we're too close to the prom.

The promenade. Promenade, right. People can hear. So Barkie said that she again asked what was going on, and McAllister said, quote, I'll tell you when I'm done with my cigarette. She said he said it very mean and coldly. McAllister then got mad at Brad and said, are you scared? You're scared, aren't you?

Or is it that there's only two, there's two, only two of us and three. of them. Oh, my God. Are you a pussy, basically? You're afraid they're going to take us or something? Yeah. So at that point, Barkey said she got the distinct impression that McAllister was challenging price here.

He was trying to, you know, like you do. What are you, pussy? Yeah, she's got some pretty good street smarts there. It's very obvious what's happening. Absolutely. Anybody with any street smarts will start to feel this. Yeah. Remember in Deadwood when Joni was explaining to the new process?

How to know when things are going wrong. You got to feel the electricity in the air when you feel like get the fuck out of there. You have to have that. You have to. Or else stay in your house. There's three of them and only two of us. I'd look around and go, wait a minute. Yeah.

What are we talking about? Do you want to fuck us or kill us? Which one is it? It's one of the two. Yeah. I got a feeling Kev over here is not safe. God damn. Yeah, exactly.

Then at a nowhere, Mm-hmm. McAllister turns to them and says, you guys don't have to worry about being robbed. Oh. They're like, okay. Yeah. Yeah, that's interesting.

When asked, Barkey said she was pretty sure McAllister was looking to do something bad. When they asked about price, she said, maybe I wasn't sure. She said, McAllister appeared to be challenging price, saying, are you scared? Are you scared? Although, you know, there's only two of us. Then said, don't you worry, I'm going to rob you. her older cousin whispered to her that they should leave. Quote, I guess I was just so scared I didn't want to move.

I thought it would cause trouble. But they decided to get up and walk away. Now, Price says this himself, that he stood up and pointed it out to McAllister going, look, they're leaving. Okay. And McAllister then said to Price, you better make your decision quickly. And they heard them, the Bonfire Group heard that. and he put his hand inside the backpack where his gun was. How about it?

You want me to grab it or not? Which is very weird. During one of the moments before they got up, Price walked around the group and stood behind the one man in the group too, Kevin, the boy. I don't know why he did that, but he did that for a while. So this guy slipped off his coat's hood to see him better. Like, why is this dude behind me? What the fuck?

So they're walking away in the dark. and Price doesn't say anything. He just points to them. And that's it. But they did hear McAllister say to Price, quote, I'm very disappointed in you. You're three years younger than me. Go fuck yourself.

What are you talking about? Disappointed in me. Thanks, Dad. So, yeah. So they said at no point did Price say anything like, you know, leave these people alone. We don't have to do this. It just seemed like he was hedging and didn't know what to do here.

Price and McAllister were smoking camel cigarettes and had shared some with barking and her cousin. So police found cigarette butts of the same brand and everything by the bonfire as they found next to the bodies of Frank or of Casey and Brooke. So at that point, after the bonfire group breaks up, the boys decided to walk home, McAllister and Price. They just decided to walk home. on their way home near the promenade, they found a couple sitting on the walkway there. Along the walkway, it's a man and a woman. The local taverns let out and everything, and it's Casey and Brooke. And they were just out hanging out, waiting for the sun to come up.

So Casey asked Jesse and Brad, do you guys have any weed as they walk by? Because it's the middle of the night, and, you know, good chance maybe somebody does. McAllister said no So Casey says Ah come on Don't be stingy I don't know you First of all

Don't be stingy Is a fascinating Don't hang on to all the weed That you've purchased Share it with a stranger Share it with me This guy that's just sitting here That you'll never see again

Whenever anybody tries that shit with me Like on the streets and cities That we're touring and stuff Immediately go fuck yourself You gotta get aggressive with people on the street. Find your weed. Yeah, these are like homeless people

that are doing it too. It's like, I will give you $5. I'll get whatever. Don't fucking tell me I'm not giving you fuck you. Fuck you. Get your own weed. Don't call me stint cheaper.

I'll give you your own joint, but I'm not giving you a hit off my joint. That ain't happening. I'm not putting this in your mouth. No. I'm not putting in anybody's mouth. I don't know. It's not even, don't take it personal.

I just saw something recently that was the guy who was sharing a joint with put it in his knuckles and took a hit out of his fist. I've never seen that before. Yeah, that's like some old school weird shit when you want to look like a fucking lunatic who either...

That's just crazy. This is a very interesting choice. All right, well, you don't trust me now. I feel more insulting than taking... I understand taking care of yourself, but that's part of the... What do you think of... That's part of the community of smoking a joint, though, as part of it is. It's like back in the day where they all...

trust you just have something around to drink or whatever. It's a thing that we're all in this together. So when you go, then you're not in this with me now. You're just smoking my weed even though you think I'm diseased. Fuck you. Right. And I get the Kenny Powers like, you don't know what shit I have either. But it's like, I don't know, man.

I handed you my joint. I was, I'm on board with it. Yeah. Obviously, I'm okay with you putting your fucking face on it. Smoked it out of your fist and told me go, fuck myself. Yeah, might as well have. God damn. So that's what's going on.

Don't be stingy. Then McAllister stops after the stingy comment, turns to Price and says, you want to smoke a bowl? Oh. So he knows that they have weed too. So they don't have any weed, by the way. No weed. No balls. He says you want to, no balls.

So he said, do you want to smoke a bowl? What he's really asking is, would you like to kill them? these people. He's asking Price apparently. So according to this, Price said yes, let's smoke a bull, knowing that neither of them have any weed. So, and Price would later say he knew what he was agreeing to. He knew that this had nothing to do with weed. He knew that McAllister intended to murder them, and he, you know, he said he knew that the second he offered up the weed that he didn't have. He said he knew he was going to kill those people. So they're now walking somewhere, you know, away from the promenade and the hotels to smoke the weed,

as you used to have to do. And they said, quote, there's a little swing set there. That's where the deed took place. That's what the sergeant said by the swing set. So they walked toward the swing set in the dark. As they walked, at some point, Casey Nims said, do you actually have any weed?

Like, where are we going on? You haven't whipped anything out. What's going on? And then Price said no. Okay. So that, everybody just stopped. And Casey and Brooke were like, okay, well, we're not going any further than where the fuck are we going? What are we doing?

McAllister pulls the gun out at that point. Now, this is fucking amazing. And Brooke is a badass, okay? This is ballsy. Like a fucking, a seasoned hell's angel wouldn't do this. This is crazy. Okay. He whips the gun out, is pointing it at them.

Brooke rather than cower or do anything like that she charges at him and kicks him in the chest this is a crazy looking gun too this isn't a little gun she said attacked him she charged him and kicked the motherfucker which is

that's a bad bitch I like her a lot like that's again you take her home she's faced challenges before this ain't shit this ain't shit it's at that point when she kicks him, the gun goes off. Oh. Okay.

She fell to the ground believing she'd been shot, which is what people do. Even when they're shot or whether they're not shot, they don't know. On TV, you see people get shot and fall down, so people get shot and fall down because they think they're supposed to. Even if they're fine, even if they could get up and walk away. Well, also, they think that's what it is. A lot of times when you're shot, you don't even know that you're shot. So a noise of a shot, you may think, fuck. I'm hit and then fell.

Yeah. Right. But it's a psychological thing that they say is it's a learned behavior of getting shot and falling down. If you know you got shot, you fall down because you think that's what you're supposed to do, even though most of the time you could stay up unless it hit a major artery or nerve or something. Otherwise, yeah, you're fine for the most part.

You could walk it off, not walk it off, but walk away from it. So the gun went off. She fell down, believing she'd been shot. So now there's a long second here. where guess what, the guns jammed. Right. Yes. So, McAllister's trying to clear the jam.

Now, Brooke is down, but alive and fine. And Casey's still standing there. And this is just a long, big second. What do you do in this second? You know what I mean? So Casey, at that point, rather than turning and run away, he thought Brooke was shot, so he goes to try to help her. Which is, I mean, he probably could,

He might have been able to get away if he just turned and ran away, but he was trying to help his friend. It's what we're learned to do of take care of somebody injured. Yeah, that's what you do, especially a woman, especially a woman 10 years younger than you. You know, it's just a thing. So it's at that point that Price keeps Brooke from getting away while McAllister clears the thing.

So this is where Price actually has some active participation in this. He basically stands over her, keeps her down, keeps her from running, while it happens. So McAllister clears the jam, steps over Brooke, who's being held down by Brad, and shoots Frank or Casey in the head while he was standing.

One shot, front of the head, drops him. Okay. McAllister later said, I figured Price would back me up, back me up if she tried to go anywhere, meaning Brooke. Yeah. Okay.

Price was still leaning over, uh, still leaning over Brooke. after Casey was killed. So McAllister had to nudge Brad Price out of the way with his elbow to be able to shoot Brooke. Wow. So moved him off. He leaned down and shot her in the head as she laid down in the sand.

Fossy. Total pussy shit. Shoot a woman while she's laying in the fucking sand. Like that's just pathetic. Give her a chance to kick you again. How about that? The whole event is garbage. It's all garbage.

Yeah, this is garbage. These two are garbage people. So Brad did that. Brad watches this whole thing. These two people are dead shot in the head. They're standing there. Brad Price turns to McAllister and said, Mexico doesn't sound bad this time of year.

Wow. Because they talked about that because they watched in cold water. We're a lot of trouble now. Yeah. So before leaving, they stop at the store. They leave the beach, shot people in the head. They stop at the store at Herb's Quick Mart. Yeah.

To buy a couple of lighters, you know, a couple of bicks, a cigarette lighters. The clerk is a friend of McAllister's and knew him, and McAllister looked over and he said, quote, I just shot two people on the beach. Oh, boy. Okay. Then he starts making phone calls.

That's what's fucking amazing. McAllister repeatedly, by the way, on these phone calls, we don't know if this is true and he's trying to take Brad off the hook or if he wants people to, he wants all the credit for it, I'm not sure. You never know with a kid like this. A kid like this,

he just said, it's all me. He said, you know, whatever you hear, Brad had nothing to do with it, he told one of the people. He's not as tough as I am. That's what I mean. I don't know if it's him being like,

you know, hey, listen, I'll take the rap for this one, or if it's him being like, I'm the badass. Brad's a pussy. Don't listen to him. Then he said, I'm leaving town,

and you'll know why the morning, he tells somebody else. Then, then the just for the hell of it line of, you know, why'd you kill those people. Brad's mom does not believe any of this, by the way. They're in custody. He has admitted all of it. Jesse's told the story. They have all the physical evidence.

But she says, I don't think so. Not my boy. No, she insisted there's no way her son was capable of this kind of violence. She said, we were on a hunting trip as a kid. he couldn't even shoot a deer. No way he killed these people. Probably just can't shoot something that far away. Yeah.

So McAllister and Price's journals, they find, by the way, sections of which were admitted into evidence later on, show a real interwoven relationship between the pair, and they really affected each other a lot, basically. Price influenced McAllister to write poetry and to read books. It's kind of like what I try to do with you. Yeah, I'm pretty good influence.

Including Ken Kesey's sometimes a great notion. Notion. Ken Kesey wrote one flew over the cuckoo's nest and was, he formed the merry pranksters group, which is a really interesting group from the 60s to look up. And he also got busted for, just a quick thing. He got busted for possession of marijuana, which was a big deal in the early 60s.

And he faked his own death. by like throwing his van off a cliff and shit and faked his own death and went to like Paraguay for like two years before he came back. Wow. He's an awesome character, man. Great character. Is that illegal? Yes. Very.

Making your own death? Yes, it is illegal to fake your own death, especially that way, I think. I don't know if it's illegal like, sir. It's the things you do to fake your own death that make it illegal. Makes it fraud. Right. Yeah. So McAllister called Price's best friend.

and all that. Also, the guy who sold the gun to them called them a team. They seem like a team. So March 1999, Will McAllister plea? There's a thing of whether he's going to make a plea deal. Now, Brooke's mother, Gloria Guritz, said, quote,

I think it's kind of obvious he'll be entering a plea. She says she absolutely and consistently opposes the death penalty. Hmm. She said, what they do with him in the flesh is irrelevant. Oh. Fair enough. He is going to plead guilty, McAllister. Jesse McAllister pleads.

Basically, the reason why he pleads, and this is a big, we don't know if this is true or not, but we're pretty sure. During a year on the run, apparently people, relatives, and parents had sent him money and helped him, which is aiding abetting and abetting a fucking fugitive at that point. So basically they said people believe, and we don't know if that's true, but people believe that this is the chip that they use to plea bargain with him. If you don't plead, then we're going to take your mom too. Yep. Yeah. You will go and arrest the rest of you if we'll put you all on trial. Well, there's also the fact that if you plea, everybody's off the hook.

There's also the fact that he went across the border at Brownsville, so we can kill you if you don't plea. That's, yeah, that's the other thing. So, yeah, you're not, yeah, the death penalty's on the table for this. but they're not going to use the death penalty. They don't want the death penalty here because they feel like later on it will be an appeals point. First of all, you can't get him to plead guilty

if you have the death penalty on the table, number one. Right, that's my point. He took the plea because death penalty's on the table. Second, if Price, then he's not going to get the death penalty because that's been negotiated. Later on, the other one here, McAllister, could use that in appeal saying it was not, it was disproportionate because his partner got this

and he got that. So that's what I think they're trying to avoid, too. He pleads guilty to two counts of aggravated murder. It's not good. Okay. During the thing he has to do in allocution, that's part of it too. There are deals with this. As part of the deals, no parole and no appeals.

He's not allowed to appeal. He got the Brian Coburger deal. No appeals, no fucking anything. You go in there and shut the fuck up forever. No hearing from you. for the family, they said, great. He's gone forever. Good deal.

But he has to throw the Maya Kulp out there, huh? Yep. He said in the early morning hours of July 4th, 1997, I was walking on the beach near the promenade in seaside. There I met Ms. Goza and Mr. Nims. Together we walked away from the sand dunes. I intentionally shot Mr. Nims in the head while he was standing. I then shot Ms. Goza in the head while she lay in the sand.

Now, during the impact statement, here from the family. Man, Don, who is Casey's brother, said Casey was my brother, my friend, my fishing buddy, my helper. I'm never going to see him again. There are no words that can describe our pain, frustration, and anger.

At least you'll never be able to cause harm to another family. I have satisfaction in my heart knowing when I see my brother again in heaven, Jesse won't be there. You won't be there, McAllister. That's pretty good. Yeah. During this,

McAllister lowered his eyes to what Don Nims then said, I've wanted to look you right in the eye and say and do a lot more to you than I'm allowed. Then Frank Nims said, the father said, you took them just for the hell of it. He said,

I want you to rot in hell, is also what the dad said. Casey's kids both testified too here. Oh, that's right. Because now his son is 17, his daughter's like 13. His daughter said, I'm the 13-year-old daughter of Frank Nims.

I used to think nothing. terrible would happen to me. When I found out about my dad, all of my hopes and dreams for a normal future were destroyed. How could anyone commit such a sinister crime? I hope Jesse McAllister has the rest of his life to think about the pain he has caused and then called him a monster. Oh, way. That's a great point. Like, as a child, you think that, I mean, you're just a, you don't even consider this. No. What do you, you don't consider it? Adults know what they're doing. Yeah. Yeah. And your dad just, they're out there. They're out there. Is murdered on the beach in the middle of the night.

Crazy. If it can happen to him, it can happen to me. And I'm 12, and I now know that. Now I'm terrified because he was strong. He was the guy I looked at as the protector. She also said, at least my father went to heaven. When you die and meet your maker, you better hope he's a lot more forgiving than I am. Oh, fuck.

That's a good one from a kid. That's a vicious 13-year-old. Then the lost person in all this, Casey's fiancé. Oh, Bonnie. This poor woman. She said, you took away a loving man. And she also said to rot in hell as well. That seems to be a theme that's going on.

Very for that. Brooke's mom said, Jesse, you crush so many hearts and lives. As a result, I am living dead. I died with Brooke. And she said, Brooke will live every hour of every day in my heart. Then the prosecution says, in their closing, his family will be able to come and visit him. They, the murder victims did nothing to deserve what happened to them. then Jesse says some shit to the family.

He says, I know how my words must ring hollow in your ears and my voice may lack emotions I'd like to portray. But please realize what I say now comes from the heart. I do not know the words that could express the remorse and sorrow I feel for the pain I've caused, though my actions have not only hurt NIMS and Goza families, but Bradley and my own as well. Please accept my most sincere apologies. Nothing I could say or do would restore what I've taken from you. I just pray someday you'll find it in your heart to forgive me. The judge says your considerable actions caused considerable pain to many people.

The families are going to continue to suffer every day. You said, may fuck off. Two consecutive life sentences, no parole. No appeals. That's pretty good. Who gots? Not bad. I would say so.

When asked if he forgave McAllister, Dr. Goza said, who knows? I have a lot of bad thoughts. but it's time to put that behind us. You can't change what happened. Now, Don Nims, the brother, is a little more set on his. He said, no way in my mind am I ever going to forgive him. I wanted to see the pictures of the people's lives he took and remember that the rest.

I remembered him to remember that the rest of his stinking life. Okay. The 1999 is Brad Price's trial, and he opts for a bench trial. Is that right? Which makes sense because this jury is going to. Juries are going to think how scary that is, that it's random and, like, that's very scary. And a judge might have a little more perspective on the whole thing. So, yeah.

Now, during this trial here, he's charged with two counts of aggravated murder. He faces the same maximum sentence. You never know. Or he could get life with parole. Will McAllister testify here? Both sides said they intend to call McAllister as a witness during the trial, but they don't know if he'll actually testify or just take the fifth, because that's not part of the deal, is that he has to testify.

So they don't know. They said, if he doesn't speak, they're going to try to use his videotaped interview where he told everything to the police instead. The mom sit together. His mother and Brooke's mother sit together. What? Yes, Gloria Guretz and Pat Westling. They sit together.

they go in together, they sit together. They both lost a child, James. Yeah. Brooks's mother said we have to be bigger than that. We have to set a good example. Yeah. Which is very mature. Incredible.

Very mature. The prosecution here scoff at the claim that Brad was a mere observer in the beach, because that's the defense is he was just an observer. The other guy did everything, basically. So he said Bradley Price was no observer in this case. He bought the gun. He bought the ammunition. He was, in fact, the brains of the operation.

They also say that it was inspired by repeated viewings of in cold blood, and they set out to kill somebody. It was a premeditated conspiracy to commit murder, although ironically of nobody in particular. It was a desire to have some sort of experience. Bradley Price was kneeling beside her with his hand on her. Mr. Price was right there, right over Brooke Goza. Brooke goes that didn't have a chance of living. Then they talk about, you know, they fled to Mexico, which shows even more of his guilt that he would flee to Mexico. His attorney here, or the district attorney, contends that Price helped his plan, his friend carry out and plan this whole thing.

The defense said he was only kneeling over Brooke to tell her that she hadn't been shot. He was just trying to, he was doing a medical sweep. Yeah. Just a quick bullet shot. I found no shots. nothing. He said, in fact, he did everything in his power to stop these murders from occurring. He described his client as a somewhat unique individual who was passive, nonviolent, and actually called a peacemaker by his friends. He said that, you know, the teens at the bonfire will testify that Price was trying to talk McAllister and is simply going home.

He said every single one of those three people, every single one, say Mr. Price continued to try to talk Mr. McAllister and leaving. He tried to talk him out of doing anything. And he said, the guy who sold the gun to them insisted on handing it to Price because he knew McAllister couldn't legally own a gun because of his youth. He said, so, you know, this was all for

McAllister. 90 minutes after the bodies were found, McAllister called his friend to tell him, whatever you hear, Brad had nothing to do with it. And the shootings were for the hell of it. He goes, so that's coming from McAllister. He said that price feels

morally responsible for not stopping Mr. McAllister, but that's not legal responsible. That's what he said. Yeah, that's what the lawyer said. He said Price went to the beach not thinking anything bad would happen, although McAllister had previously talked of killing someone, and Price testified or said to the police in a statement in the affidavit that he knew what McAllister wanted to do. He said McAllister pulled the gun. Nym started to walk away.

A scuffle ensued. She ran up and kicked him. A shot was accidentally discharged. And she, they say, this is the defense attorney saying, Gosa said she was hit and yelled, I was shot in the eye, I was shot in the eye. Price went over to comfort her and told her, you're not shot, and then gently patted her on the head. Then he got her a snow cone. No, this is ridiculous.

Well, his friend shot her in the face. You know, yeah, that's all. So he said that Price panicked and decided to flee with McAllister. He said, bad decision, no question. I'll give you that one. Bad times. So, this is insane here. They start talking about the notion, the notion of killing someone.

He said, Price was just trying to convince McAllister to go home. Price walked around the group and behind Westrick to try to draw McAllister away from the group home, not as a threat to stand behind the poor guy and creep him out. You know, and then also Price McAllister and Eric Menzel. the guy he called in the morning, had gone to Price and McAllister's apartment to watch videos. He said, not killing anyone watching videos. But when their television broke,

that's when they went out bar hopping. The Mansell guy left about 12.30 a.m. Because he was underage and didn't have any fake ID. So they ended up, Price of McAllister ended up at the beach and brew, and they hung out. By the way, that is where Gauze and Nims were drinking too. Oh.

They left around 2.30 a.m. So they had to have seen them. They had to. McAllister told their friend Mansell that Price was starting to lose it. At one point on the way to Mexico, McAllister told Price, you didn't do anything. I'll turn the car around and bring it back to Seaside if you want.

Okay. So they do a tour of the crime scene, a roped off area of about 400 yards here. So they do that. They bring the judge and the lawyers all go down to look at it. They bring witness. is in cellmate here of Price. Gary Gottschell, a former cellmate of Price's, was expected to testify here.

They did testify, but then Travis William Brumble, an inmate at the jail, testified that Gary Gottschell often voiced threats to kill Price when all three were held in the jail. So that's interesting. This guy testified, and then they bring in another guy who says, oh, no, that guy who said that thing, he tried to kill Brad. It's interesting. Barbara Higler as a sergeant at the jail described finding a toothbrush sharpened into a weapon in Gottsil's cell. Nice.

And said that Gottsal was known for lying and that Brumble was known for telling the truth. And she described Price as a model prisoner. But he was going to get it. He was going to get stabbed. Yeah. Brad testifies. Yeah. Got nothing to lose here.

Nothing to lose. He said that he turned to tell McAllister about Brooke that she was okay so Jesse wouldn't continue with this. Like, hey, you didn't shoot her, so you don't have to shoot her, basically. He said, I remember thinking if he shot NIMS, he was going to kill her next, and I didn't want to be in that direction. The last thing I remember, it's the last thing I remember until running down the beach. He said his first words were to suggest they flee to Mexico, where they did, obviously here. Price admitted he knew McAllister's intention when they left the apartment for bar hopping. They said, so you were

doing what? And he said, yeah, to look for someone to kill, I guess. Price said, but I didn't take him seriously at all. It just seemed like an absurd idea to me. It didn't seem possible. He suggested they drive. He said he was the one who suggested they drive to Del Rey Beach, hoping that along the 15 minute drive, the guy would forget about it and not want to do it anymore. He said, plus Delray Beach is empty a lot. So he thought maybe getting there and not seeing anybody, he'd go, all right, fuck it. Let's go home. So he's just saying that he's a talker, but he helped the guy get a gun. That's what I mean.

He said McAllister parked the car a block away from their apartment, and they walked the few blocks to the beach. They walked south to the length of the prom and then headed back. On the half mile walk back, Price said he forgot about McAllister's intentions and the gun in his backpack. So I forgot all about it. At that point, we were just hanging out. He said that's when they ran into the tourists at the campsite.

And he said McAllister acted friendly at first, but then started talking about this note. motion. And he said, that's when he realized that McAllister hadn't forgotten and that he was actually trying to kill someone. He said, I think he was trying to get me to go along with whatever he was thinking of doing. And I knew I had no intention of killing someone. So he said he purposely argued with McAllister to try to come up with reasons to leave. And he said he walked around the other side of the group to draw McAllister's attention away, basically. When they left, he said McAllister growled and fired a shot off in anger,

I thought he'd realized he'd been defeated in his plan to do this. So he fired a round off at the beach anyway? At the beach before, yeah, when they left, according to him. Now, Goza, he also said that Brooke invited them to a party, but Casey wanted to smoke marijuana. That's what he says, Price.

He denied McAllister's testimony that he asked Price if he wanted to smoke with the pair as a cue as to whether to want to want to kill them or not. He said at McAllister's suggestion, the four walked into the dunes, Price said he trailed the group contradicting McAllister's claim that Price and Nims led. Now, about a thousand feet onto the beach, Price said NIMS stopped and asked McAllister, do you actually have weed? Price said no, which was meant as a, he called a feeble warning about McAllister's plans. Like, no, we don't. Like, you should go now, basically. Nims confronted

McAllister and said he was leaving. McAllister pulled out the nine. Mill from the backpack and he said, quote, with a terrified kind of look in his eyes, he waved it, he waved it toward the other three. Price said that he and Nims were standing side by side and both took a couple steps backwards. Nims asked if the gun was real and Price told him it was. That's when Brooke charged and kicked McAllister. The gun went off hitting no one. He said, quote, she was laughing and saying she'd been shot in the eye. I don't think she was laughing. I don't think she was laughing either.

He could tell she was alive because she was kicking when she lay on her back. When he saw Goza wasn't hurt, he said he turned to tell McAllister hoping to, you know, you don't have to kill these people. But he said at that point, it was too late. And he started shooting people and Mexico came up. And that's how everything had to go. He said, quote, I knew I wasn't going to be heroic and try to take the gun away from him. And I knew he wasn't going to listen to me. but I really didn't believe you would kill anyone.

So on cross, they say, quote, for that thousand feet every step, you knew Jesse McAllister was intending to kill people. He said, I knew that's what he had on his mind. I didn't believe he was capable of murdering anyone. They were like, I think you did. And also, everything you described counteracts the physical evidence as well. The direction you guys came from and who was where

is the footprints tell a completely different story as well. Um, so they love to do this. Don't they criminals like this? They minimize so much. Yep. He said he has no memory of Brooke being shot, which is pretty a significant moment. You were on top of her, man. No shit.

They take a, just a quick trial break here. Brad's parents watched silently as their son was there. As Price was let out of the courtroom, they exchanged a long look. His father, Chuck gave him a, gave him two thumbs up. Doing great. And then his mother said, I quote, absolutely believe in his innocence. He just told you what happened. And she believes he is innocent.

She said it's obvious he was there, but he's not capable of something like this. Then she said, it was wonderful to see him. Wow. Wow. That's crazy. She said, this ordeal has been your worst nightmare you've ever had and not able to wake up. She said, my heart goes out to the families of both. We can't lose sight of what happened here.

Two people lost their lives. Now, Casey's dad, Frank Sr. said, Price is full of shit. He said he's well rehearsed from his attorneys. The moms, by the way, Goza's mother said it's all very confusing. I still think he's extremely guilty. He could have done something. Now, his mom is standing right next to her and saying,

she said, I'm very proud of him. That's all I could say. What in the fuck? The next day, the moms break up. They had enough of each other. Goz's mom said she could no longer sit next to Pat. Yeah, you can't listen to that woman say, I'm so proud of you. She's so confused.

She said, now I feel Brad is more guilty than Jesse because he had more opportunity to stop the shootings. I don't think Pat, the other mother, can understand my feelings because she's so adamant that he's innocent. Right. Anyway, verdict comes in and he is guilty. two counts of aggravated murder. During sentencing, the daughter, I won't read it because it's long and we don't have time, but she read a long fucking letter.

Which daughter? Casey's daughter? A little Tasha there. Oh, Jesus. Tasha, whatever. She's a bad ass. She read him the riot act, boy. It's fucking good talking about you've completely ruined our lives.

You'll never know how it feels to have your father or mother killed just for the hell of it. I mean, really, really into him. She's good. The defense, they bring out a shrink saying, okay, okay, he's got some problems. Yeah, he does. He said that Price has a schizoid personality and becoming involved with McAllister and the murders because of his personality. He was roped up in it, but he can learn from his mistake. Oh, he's rehabilitative.

Yeah, they said that his personality disorder, which is not schizophrenia and just schizoid, you know, whatever, makes him rather distant, not interact with people, not get emotionally involved, and have little sexual interest. He said it's a disorder that starts in the teenage years or early adulthood. He describes people with schizoid personality disorder as vulnerable marks for aggressive and violent people like McAllister. He said it was almost like McAllister was all Price had. He called McAllister not only a psychopath, but a thrill killer. And he said that he was impressed that McAllister. He was impressed that McAllister, at a very close, loyal relationship with Price, also said Price has an IQ of 125. Really?

Pretty damn good. Very smart, but impressionable and not interested in pussy. Not interested in pussy. Not interested at all. That's a problem. I don't trust any 22-year-old who has those traits. I mean, unless you're interested in. Well, chasing.

Fine, go nuts. A hole of some kind you need to be chasing if you're a young man. It doesn't matter who that hole's attached to, but you're chasing on. all. He also, they bring in his... It's not necessarily even asexual. It's just uninterested in, I guess that's asexual, yes? If you're not interested in anybody,

yeah. That's fair. Yourself, I guess. They bring in his high school football coach, friends, family to mitigate for him. Anyway, you, sir, may fuck off two life sentences consecutive, but 30 year minimum.

He is eligible for parole in 30 years, which is 2029, by the way, which is coming very soon. Oh, no. McAllister in prison, he was between the trial and the time he pled and then Brad's trial, he was involved in a prison stabbing, McAllister. He's dangerous. Yeah, absolutely. They said the details of the stabbing were not immediately known, but the consequences

were because of it, McAllister had to take a six-month anger management course and was held in segregation for a long. time. This lifers in just regular-ass population, huh? That's it. So then he tries something else. He tries to escape. McAllister does. McAllister in prison is still a problem. He's going to be forever. He was carrying a note in his pants cuff to his accomplice. He was carrying a note to Brad in his pants cuff when he got caught. It was quickly thwarted when jail officers traced him to the ceiling and ordered him down. During an early evening check, they discovered McAllister, who had been reading alone in the library,

was gone. Authorities say his path to freedom was blocked by thick concrete walls and locked steel doors, so he crawled around in the ceiling, quote, like a desperate gerbil. A desperate gerbil is the best fucking line ever. His plan to escape prison was thwarted by prison. Right. Prison, walls and such. bars, walls, you know, all that prison stuff.

And just ran around like a gerbil. What he said? Like a corner, like a desperate gerbil. That's amazing. hysterical. That's amazing. In neat print with perfect spelling, McAllister's notes said Price's lawyers told him that Price hadn't tried to sell me out.

And he adds, I hope you know that I'm not trying to tell on you either. Just trying to be friends with his buddy. What the fuck? Brad appeals, he does a direct appeal. He has a 2008 appeal. appeal and ineffective assistance of counsel, saying he was denied due process because he was convicted on insufficient evidence, even though he admitted everything that happened. And yeah, so there you go.

And none of that works. 2021, Jesse actually goes to try to file a petition for clemency with the governor. That is the only way there is no court route for him. All of his appeals are gone. The only route he can go is clemency from the governor. And governor not real excited to pardon people who shot people, shot tourists and then fucking, or not tourists, but shot people in a tourist area. For no reason.

And then fucking fled to Mexico, then stabbed people in prison and tried to escape. Really not a lot to gain politically. Zero gained also. Nothing. They did it for nothing. Nope. They do say this. Jesse was an angry, insecure 19-year-old who lashed at others, culminating him taking the lives of two people.

Jesse feels constant remorse for the pain he senselessly inflicted on the victims' families and his own family and strives each day to be a better person than he was the day before. Today he's a caring, friendly man that adults in custody and staff members enjoy being around. Okay, so stay there then. The DA said, I told them what I believed to be true, and that meant that we would never, ever hear from Jesse McAllister again. there'd be no parole hearing, there'd be no appeals. He said he's horrified because he promised the families they'd never have to hear his name again. But he forgot about clemency requests when he did that. And you can't, I guess, statutorily you can't block those.

So, yeah, they said that we're putting a big time opposition to it because we don't want to see the guy out, the new DA says. And Tasha, Tasha, Tasha, Tasha, Tashay. Casey's daughter said, as I read through this several times, looking for and looking and searching for any inclination of remorse or empathy toward the family, I didn't find anything in there. I found nothing apologizing for the trauma he's caused and the lifelong devastation that it's caused my family. Yeah. She did say, though, quote, it didn't take my dreams and ambitions from, or it didn't take away my dreams and ambitions from coming to fruition. I still worked really hard and got into college and have a really good career. Nice.

but it definitely makes things a lot more difficult. It did devastate our family and tear my family completely apart. My older brother has never fully recovered from the incident. Oh, damn it. The one on the fishing boat. And Brad, he is at the Snake River Correctional Institution looking at 2029. In Idaho? I don't know if they put that in Idaho or there, but they trade prisoners sometimes.

Either way, though, that is where he is. They're stuck. And, you know, Brad has a chance again. getting out someday. Yeah. I would think. If he keeps it together in there. If he keeps it together based on his record and everything else and based on being the least less

aggressive of the two. You know what 30 years does for you? It gives you a big window of time to fuck up in. Yeah. And if you don't, a lot of times between 22 and 52, a lot of that's in you was burned out. Yeah. Yeah.

But 30 years is such a long window. How many times have you fucked up in 30 years? And nobody's even watching you every day. Every day. That's what I mean. So to be able to, you're a totally great point. To be able to not get in trouble in prison, you have to really be straight and narrow. Every day.

You've got to actively try not to get in trouble. Fuck yeah. So anyway, there you go. Seaside, Oregon. Just a wild story of unnecessary craziness. And two people that didn't need to be killed, killed. It's all stupid. No reason.

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