Small Town Murder - Cult Of The Naked Truth - Grants Pass, Oregon

Episode Date: January 31, 2026

This week, in Grants Pass, Oregon, a strange situation unfolds, within a seemingly innocent prayer group, that leads to multiple cold blooded murders, and story of miraculous survival. Everything stems from a small group of people, believing that a 9 year old boy has the power to speak to God, and many angels. These angels then tell the child what other people are overrun  by demons. The group then takes matters into their own hands, by killing these people!!   Along the way, we find out that you know it's a rural area, if "mudding" is the main activity, that you shouldn't look to a 9 year old for the answers to anything, and that when a child is writing on your wall, in lipstick, it's ALWAYS freaky!!   New episodes, every Wednesday & Friday nights!! Donate at patreon.com/crimeinsports or at paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder, Crime In Sports & Your Stupid Opinions!   Follow us on... instagram.com/smalltownmurder facebook.com/smalltownpod   Also, check out James & Jimmie's other shows, Crime In Sports & Your Stupid Opinions on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts!!

Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Small Town Murder Express. Yay, and choo-choo. Oh, yay indeed, Jimmy. Yay, indeed. My name is James Petrigal. I'm here with my co-host. I'm Jimmy Wiseman. Thank you, folks, so much for joining us today.

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Here we go. We're going to Oregon this week. Oh, we love it. This country up there. We're going to Grants Pass, Oregon. Yeah. I don't know if you know where that is. Down in southwestern Oregon.

No. It is about three hours and 50 minutes to Portland, so nowhere near there. About 40 minutes to Medford, Oregon. That's the closest spot you're going to get there. And about four hours to our last Oregon episode, Oak Grove, Oregon, which was the episode 631, the Forest Serial Killer. It's pretty self-explanatory. Oh, is that? A lot of weird killing in the woods.

What episode? 631. Okay. That was after the pig lady was the one before that. So that's the last. Oregon before that. This is in Josephine County, area code 541 and 5458. Sure. And population here, that's not too small, 38,902.

Good size. But still very rural, though. That's the thing. So it's interesting here. Median household income here, $49,355. That's pretty low. It's not great. 20,000 under the national average. If you're rural Oregon, though, it's probably fairly affordable, yeah. Well, let's find out.

Median home cost here, $376,000, so no. Oh, no. Not good. Not great at all. That's not easy. Nope, we have mottoes and nicknames here. The town motto is, quote, live rogue. That's because the rogue river is nearby.

Oh, yeah, yeah. So we're very much into that. And they have another one, I don't know what this means. Quote, it's the climate. Is it? That's why people are here, I suppose, or that's why you're miserable or I'm not sure exactly which one that is. It's a therapist say a lot. What's wrong with this goddamn place?

It's the climate. I've been telling everybody since I moved here. God damn climate. Don't be so sad. It's just the climate. Yeah. So the reason it's called Grant's Pass is because there was land, there was a stagecoach stop on the Sacramento to Portland route named Grant to honor Ulysses S. Grants. Oh, yeah.

Not just him, a very specific thing, his 1863 Vicksburg victory, where there was a siege of Vicksburg and they sat out there for a long time. That was Virginia, wasn't it? Vicksburg is Mississippi, I believe. Oh, okay. Yeah, I think so. Now, they added pass to the name to distinguish it from Grant County. They actually tried to make it less confusing for us, which is nice of them. Way up there.

It's pretty confusing. The area grew a lot after the railroad was completely. It's a medford and it became a bit of a shipping hub. By the 1880s, there's a railroad depot, a courthouse of jail. It's a real old west town by then. Yeah, it's a whole thing. The town was originally part of Jackson County and then they moved it to Josephine County. Also, in 1874, the discovery by Elijah Davidson of the Oregon Caves, which are 24.

We talked about that in the our Cave Junction episode way back. 24 miles southwest of Grant's Pass, they have all these caves. And it's now a national monument in 1909. They made it a national monument, all these caves. Like underground or like in the side of a mountain? It could be in a tree for all I know. There's caves, man. It's pretty cool.

Reviews of this town. We have five stars. Here we go. Grants Pass is the perfect town to raise kids in. Is it? Perfect. Start a career or retire. A, B, or C.

That's all stages of life, babe. That's what I was going to say. Cradle of the Grave. This is the joint. I would recommend it. Yeah. Love the nature, hiking, and all sorts of other things to do here. Yeah.

All sorts of them. Three stars. This is a nice enough town. Ah. If you're looking to retire in a rural area, that's very specific. Yeah. Nice enough if these two very specific things. But aren't those, isn't that like what people want?

Don't people want to retire in a rural area? No, not always. Sometimes they want to be a rural area. around things that are closer to hospitals and social things and shit like that depends on the old people. Yeah. I've heard nothing, but I'll be in a mountain. That's what I mean. Yeah.

Every time I hear somebody retiring, they're like, I'm getting away from all of this shit. I don't care. Some people need to be like, you know, senior centers and shit like that. They want to hang out. I don't know. They want to play Canasta with the other old people. Pickleball and checkers. I need it.

That's right. Pickle ball is going to kill so many old people, by the way. They're going to be dropping like flies from that shit. We should check the mortality rate of pickleball. Like geriatric orthopedic surgeons are like play pickleball, yeah. Your hips and pelvices are fine. Chase that heavy slow ball. So are all your knees.

They're all great. Okay. The people here typically enjoy football, hunting, mudding, going to the dunes and fishing. If that doesn't sound like you, it can feel too small. There isn't much else to do. Yeah. Outside shit. Yeah.

Sounds great. I mean, yeah, if that's what you're into, that sounds fun. But if you got no money, you can't do any of that. Any of that. You need that those are all expensive activities. Very expensive hobbies. Here's four stars. Don't get sick.

Okay. Healthcare is crap. They're not saying specifically health care here. That's a statement for a lot of shit. In general. Yeah. Had to go out of state for specialists. Everything, all caps, takes time.

you will die before doctors figure out what the problem is. She wrote this from her deathbed. Yeah. Dying. With like her children around her. She was like, okay. Things to do. Nope.

Things to do here, the Boatnik festival. Boatnik. Boatnik. N-I-K. Like if you're a beatnik, instead of a beatnik, it's a boat. Oh, got it. So this is interesting here. So if you don't want to mud or fish or play football, you do this.

Lots of stuff going on. here in this thing. There's a midway with rides and all sorts of shit. First night on a Friday, May 23rd, Queens-Rike will be there. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. I haven't seen them nor heard from them.

Since the silent lucidity video. Even mid-90s was like being nostalgic about the 80s. Man, yeah, with guest emissary. I don't know that. It eats the shit out of me. Then there's a boat show after that. Queens-Rike is opening for a boat show.

Isn't that nice? Oh my God. That was not the dream. Nope. I don't think that's how it was going in 88. Junior jet boats exhibition we have. Sick. That's pretty cool. Sprint boat exhibition.

Those are, someone's going to die. Let's get the medical staff ready for, I don't know. Sounds dangerous. It's got like a crooked spoiler on it. Maybe. Yeah, it goes a little bit faster. Yeah. I'm looking for more about, oh, here we go.

There, and then closing out the entire thing on Sunday will be a Tray Lewis concert. Oh, boy. Boy. Do you know who that is? No. No, that sounds country. If Jimmy doesn't know who it is, that's bad. That's bad. Trey Lewis, it's probably very, I don't know, divisive.

At least they're not opening for a boat show. They're doing better than Queensreich at this point. I can't imagine anybody on a boat playing Queenswright, though. That's not yacht rock. No, no, not at all. It's just like either metal or sad or whatever the fuck a sprint boat is And a junior jet boat will certainly play the Queens Rang. They'll jack that shit through the roof.

All right. Let's talk about a murder. Here we go. Let's do this. Okay. We have to go back in time a little bit here to the 80s. Oh. When Queens Rike was ruling the land.

The amount of bloat. You had to fucking, they needed crowbars to get the women off of them. Oh, yeah. We said, we're going to 1988. And Queens Rike said, fuck yeah. Lo us up. We miss it. Where's this time machine?

That's how great. They are mortgage. Shit. Holy shit. So let's talk about a woman first. Lynn Ann goes by Lynn. Lynn Ann sounds like you're stuttering. Nobody wants to do that.

Just sounds like you're mispronouncing the closet. Yeah. The Lynn Ann closet. That's where they kept her. Linan Sapienza. So Lynn Sapienza. She's born 1966. She'll grow up.

She's a very kind woman. She's a special needs teacher. Wonderful. And if you've ever had a special needs kid or anything like that, You know these people for the most part are literally angels. Yeah. The patience on these people. The patience.

Just to want to do that and then actually be able to follow through on it is hats off to you because I couldn't do it. You know what I mean? It sounds like. I don't have the patience. Yeah. And I would go home and cry every day, I think. That's the other thing. Well, it sounds like a job you get as like, fuck it, I'll just do this.

But it's like you get. If that's your attitude going into this, you're going to hurt yourself. No, no, no. That's maybe like bedpan changing and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to be into that shit. So she wants to help others. Now, she's born into a Catholic family, and that's important.

You might go, who cares? Well, it's important here because she ends up going to college at La Sierra University, which is in Riverside, California. That's where you want to go away. Spring break and Riverside, everybody. Woo! Let's go. Get those long brown titties out and sit by a river.

Sounds great. I don't think Riverside. Is Riverside even near a river? I don't think so. Not really. It's probably dried up long ago, if it was. It's halfway between the Colorado River and L.A. It's not even, there's no river.

In 1835, there might have been a river when people went by it. But since then, I don't think, I think it's probably all dried up. It's called Shibble, California. Like a lot of the Arizona. rivers as you drive up north and you're like, must have been something there someday because there's a name for it. It's only a river when it rains. Yeah. Now, she went to this college is a seventh day Adventist college.

Oh. Which that's very specific, the seventh day Adventist. That's interesting. Yeah. You can blend a Lutheran and a Methodist and you can mix them together and go to the seventh day Adventists are their own thing. They hang out with seventh day Adventist. Yeah. Well, in a religious sense anyway, definitely.

So at college, she meets a young man named David Green Jr. Green with an extra E on the end there. He's born in 1957, so a little bit older than her. Now, they get together. He is from a strict Seventh-day Adventist family. Oh. So I don't know about bringing the Catholic girl home and how that's going to work. I don't know what their entire religion is.

I do know that strict means, oh, boy. That's what they're into. Well, his father leads a prayer group and all that kind of thing. So they're super into it. His father's David Green, Sr., obviously. David Green, Sr., apparently, based on accounts, at some point in time thought that angels spoke to people. Okay.

He wrote down his own religious doctrines and then would teach them to people if they would bother to listen. Yeah. So that's interesting. Very weird. Now, as we'll talk about it, the prayer group is eventually going to lead off, and we're not church people, so we're not going to get too deep in the weeds on all this type of thing. But apparently got away from official church doctrine enough to where religious leaders called it spiritualism. Oh, they questioned his prayer group.

Or voice ministry, which are endorsed. Not legit. By the church. While you're doing shit, you're not supposed to be doing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you're not teaching it right. Like the Mormons, they excommunicate like a son of a bitch. Oh, boy, right now.

Remember the whole Lori Vallow thing? This really reminds me of the Lori Vallow thing, by the way, that we're going to talk about today. That was a big part of it was that. I was going to get some enchiladas, James? She that were green chili chicken enchiladas? Didn't, weren't they good? Have you not had my... That's a question in open court.

Your Honor, this is going to matter. Yeah, this will matter later. They have some friends that they hang out with, of course, that are pretty close to them. One couple is Richard and Jody Halstead. I've been friends with the Greens for years, and they literally came to Grant's Pass specifically to be near the Greens. For the prayer group? No, just to be near that. Okay, got it.

They're friends and the family's children grew up together and all that kind of thing. Now, back to Lynn and David, the meeting in college. They aren't from the same religious background, which is a big deal for at least one of them. But regardless, they fall in love and have a relationship. Because there are people. Yeah. And this is a long distance relationship for a while because David is older and graduates. And they maintain a long distance relationship because he goes back to Grant's Pass from Riverside, which is far.

And she stays and goes to college. Yeah, it's the stretch of the country. Yeah. And this is, we're talking, you know, early. 80s, you can't, there's no, like, long-distance relationship is crazy. Yeah. There's no text messaging, no WhatsApp, no fucking social media, no email. Right.

There is long-distance phone calls that cost a shitload of money. That's what there is. Yeah. Or writing a physical letter and mailing it. Those are your options here. So it's rough. On April 12th, 1981, they get married. By the way, she was born in 57, not 67, like I said earlier.

In 81, they get married. April 12th. Now, Lynn converts to seventh day Adventism. Terrific. Right away. That's part of the deal. Like you have to. There's no doubt about it.

And she gets involved in the prayer group that David's father's leading. And she eventually becomes a leader in the group herself and starts, people in the group start saying that she's like a conduit to God. For him? Or for them? for her. God visits her. She's a conduit. I guess you can speak to her anybody.

And also they claim that Jesus visited her in her home multiple times and that she could communicate with angels. That's what other people are saying. Wow. Jesus comes over for coffee. Yeah.

Maybe to watch a football game on Sunday. In Entomans, maybe some... Well, yeah, you keep a crumb cake out for Jesus. I mean, you never... You never know when Jesus is going to stop by. That's why you can. keep that kind of thing in your house. You just never know.

He can pop up at any time. I mean, it doesn't give warning. A pirouette and coffee is like the body of Christ and a fulters. That's amazing. That's not bad. Keep a little. He likes ice cream, too. You got to keep that in there.

And also communicating with angels. Yeah. I don't know if they come over or not, but she communicates with him. Oh, boy. 1985, they have a son named Nathaniel. Yep. Okay, that's them. So there's little Nate here.

Now, the prayer group will talk about. It is called the New Light Bible Study Group. New light. Yeah. It's that old light. It's bullshit. Burned out. Shit's all messed up.

Needs batteries. All fucked out, as we say here. Now, David is really into it. He's an active participant. Apparently, they said that David, I don't know if this is senior or junior, but one of them claimed they could see angels apparently, according to some people here, allegedly. They could see them. They can see them and perform spirit travel where your soul would leave your body and travel to other places, including other planets. Oh.

You could just, you become light. If you can see the angels? I guess the angels can take you. I don't know. Okay. I don't know if that's part of the angels. Angels seem like they would have a lot on their plate. I don't know if spirit travel is going to be.

It seems like it's just too much, right? Are they helping the angels win the pennant? You wouldn't even want to be an angel at that point. It's like, listen, I'd rather just have nothing happen. And I could hang. I mean, they say heaven. And it's pictures of people like hanging out on cloud couches with like feathers and everything. Yeah, a lot of smiles.

There's a lot of busy shit here. I'm not doing this. A lot of smiles. Very little sex I've seen in heaven. That's going on. That's got to be going on. It's got to be. Yeah.

If it was real, that's what would be happening. Yeah. So he. He also. Apparently, other people said, described an invisible sword that can ward off evil and create safe boundaries. Okay. Spirit travels, invisible swords. Okay.

Now, David and Lynn would lead the prayer group that met in the home. This is when they get there. They kind of take it over from dad. And they initially meet once a week for Bible study and snacks. Yeah. That's nice. That's what I mean. Keep your grum cake out.

Sure. But they grew to like two and three times a week. Oh. Getting greedy on the snacks. That's a lot. Yeah. I think at that point you've got to start a snack rotation. Yeah.

I'm not providing snacks every three times a week for all you fucking people. Jesus Christ. This is too much. He just said, Jesus Christ. He's like, yeah, I'm here. I came for the snacks. You guys got crumb cake still? I heard I'm checking.

That's what you need to do it on rotation. When somebody gets so as aspirated, they start. using the Lord's name in vain at a Bible study. That's a lot. So they became really into this idea that God's, the new light teachings, as they called it, the idea that most of God's teachings had been withheld from Christians for too long and that you could ask God to bestow upon you the privilege of seeing and talking to angels. So it's like people only use 10% of their brain, they always say.

It's one of those things. They're like, there's 10% of your faith. Yeah. God's just like, no one asked me to talk to angels. You know what I mean? If you want to talk to angels, you got to fucking ask me. What are you going to? I'm supposed to read your minds that you want to talk to angels?

Listen, you want to talk to angels. You come see me. That is interesting that of all the powers he's got, he can't read my mind. I guess not. Apparently not. Free will. What are you going to do? Doesn't know you want angels.

So we don't know. I mean, how many of them actually believe that or how deep. into it or if one person believes it and everyone else is like yeah great and then everybody was like yeah everyone believes it we don't know but so by 1983 the greens joined forces with another group led by a woman named jean ketsner who she's an interesting lady regularly performed exorcisms and claim she could cast out demons and speak directly to god you know yes full of shit or as we say in the secular world. Or even in the religious world.

I think about 99% of us can all go full of shit. Yeah. They're like the warrens, you know what I mean? Like you guys are just charlatans. Yeah. So here's some members of the group, by the way. We have Sharon Lee Hallstead. Now, Sharon Lee Halstead is the daughter of the Halstead family that's friends with the Greens, the parents.

and followed them to Grants Pass and all that, like we talked about. So that's them. Now, she's the eldest. She's born in 52, Sharon Lee Hallstead. She's the eldest of the three Halstead siblings. She's got her brother, Michael, who comes after her, and then younger sister, Deborah. And all these people will come into play here. This is strict Seventh-day Adventist household, obviously.

They're hanging out with their buddies there. And friends with the Greens for many years. the family knew each other and had known each other when they all lived in Southern California as well. Right. So there's a southern, yeah. So, no, this is another place in California. They all lived. Good Lord.

They played together. They went to church together. Uh-huh, uh-huh. That's what's going on. Now, Sharon, when she was an adult, started drifting away from the church. Mm-hmm. As a lot of kids do when they're deep in it as kids, they're adults, they're going to try to exercise some individuality or whatever. Get a little bit of space between us.

Yeah. So when she's 27, her family hated what she wanted to do, which is marry a guy. Yeah. And so she eloped with him. And he is a, he's a guy who's in his early 60s when she's 27. Okay. His name is Tex Shively. Oh, Tex.

Tex. Tex is a blacksmith who. In what year? Jesus Christ, the fucking 70s and early 80s. Yeah, yeah. So he's a 60-something-year-old blacksmith who's more than twice her age and also has no religion at all. Okay. So not what the family was looking for, as you might say.

Well done, gang. They immediately have a son named Harry. Yeah, his boys can swim. Tex is making babies. Tex is making horseshoes and babies. These are two things Tex can do. Oh, my. He produces iron and sperm.

Those are two things that he can muster. Sparm as strong as iron. I guess so. So then they had a second son named Leo a couple of years later. All right. He does it twice in his 60s. He's a huge gun collector, Tex. You can't have the name Tex.

And not have a collection of weapons. He's got at least seven. You have to. Guns and boots you have to have if you're named Tex. He has like over 300 guns, shitloads. Oh, my God. That's a lot. Yeah.

So the marriage to Tex not good. didn't work out. No. Lynn Green, David Green Jr.'s wife, Lynn Ann, who we talked about. Now, Lynn, she kept in touch with Sharon and no Sharon. She's known her for a long time. And she urged Sharon to divorce techs.

Yeah. Divorce him. And the reason isn't because, hey, he's not a good provider. He's mean to me. He doesn't pay attention to the kids. She said, you need to leave because demons. are inhabiting him. Oh, boy. So now we're in demon country here.

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She enlisted help from her brother, Michael, Sharon does, the second, the middle child and her family, to get out of the marriage, and he helps her to escape, and she takes the boys with her when they leave. And so, you know, she's gone. Gets away from Tex, which is nice. Okay. So getting away from Tex.

Now, Michael Halstead is obviously, like we said, the middle sibling. He helps her, and then he kind of goes back to his own life. He lives a couple hundred miles away from Grant's Pass. Okay. But he got his big sister out of that. The divorce is finalized in 84, and Sharon moves to Grant's Pass to be near her. parents who had moved there to be near the Green family. Uh-huh.

So once she's back in this orbit, she is way back into religion again like she was when she was a kid. And to her, it's almost like proof that she should have been doing it because of text. Boy, yeah, when I pushed back, I got that. I didn't listen and this is what I got. I got text. Was he abusive? Why did she want out? We don't know if he was abusive or what, but he wasn't what she was.

I mean, he's a 65-year-old blacksmith, probably. Maybe that's why. She's like 30 at this point. So Harry, she has Harry and Leo are the two kids. They're three years apart. And she ends up having a live-in boyfriend while she's there, which I know is probably the Seventh-day Adventists are really in favor of. But this is about 1985. His name is John Gentry.

And he's one of the early members of the prayer group also. and Lynn Green apparently had told Sharon that God wanted her and John to be together. So they started dating and moved in together. All right. This is, you know, it's God's will. What are you going to do, Jimmy? He's supposed to sit around.

He said so. Yeah. Jesus wants some mentumins and, you know, I'm supposed to get with this person. That's what's going on. So John is very much in love with Sharon. Love Sharon a lot. Yeah.

The group becomes more serious. Apparently, some of them, they all claim to have some kind of like special powers from this group. And we're talking, a lot of them say they either speak to God directly or with angels. One way or another, the message is getting through. It's like going to like a Hollywood studio. Like you got to get through the receptionist and then you got to get through this person. Before you get to anybody that has any decision-making power that can write a check, you're going through eight layers. Yeah, it's very rare that the casting couch is right there with the executive.

It takes a minute. It takes a long time. Some said they saw angels. Some said they could read minds. Oh, boy. And other, and guess, you know what, too, here for new listeners. We're not. If you want to be religious, great.

Go ahead. That doesn't hurt me any. I don't give a shit. What anybody does. Don't care. But no religion gives you superpowers. That's the thing. No.

It might make you feel good. You're not the fucking suicide squad, your congregation. No, that's the thing. You can't space travel. You can't just a belief in something. And I think, like I said, 99% of people are going, yeah, that would be frowned upon. I went to church and said I could do that. We've got the crocodile guy in the back.

Yeah, so we're not talking about you out there. We're talking about these people. And if you're one of these people, wow, awesome. Thanks for watching. I don't know why you're here. I can't believe it. But great. Keep hanging with us.

We'll continue to offend you. Don't tell your friends. Or do. I don't care. As long as they listen, I don't give a shit if you're like it or not. Some of them, I guess, they believed in space travel and spirit travel too. And some believed that if they asked angels and got permission on the Sabbath, that they could, so, you know, there's a form you got to fill out ahead of time. They could actually visit heaven for a short period of time.

You can't get a tour? It's a brief visa, like not long. You can't just go there indefinitely. It's like how long, what are your plans, business or pleasure? You got to, you know, go through the... Away your truck. You got to go through the border first. And, yeah, it's a thing.

Ah, shit. It's tough. They've got to check your papers over. It's rough here. 1988. Here comes Deborah Hallstead, the youngest, Michael and Sharon's younger sister. She's also, obviously, raised in the same family, also drifted away from the faith in adulthood. She had moved to L.A. and worked secretarial jobs in Hollywood.

Oh. So she did the exact. exact opposite. Like, couldn't be more opposite. She went and met the devil. Yeah. Himself. She's also involved with her married boyfriend who won't leave his wife for her.

So she's very upset. So she ends up moving back to Grant's past and she's crushed by this relationship. And, you know, generally Hollywood in general, we'll beat you down to a one of the, you know how remember on a cartoon when one of those, like steamrollers, which is rolling. over a person and then they'd be flat and you'd have to like peel them up. Yeah. That's, that's... Put some in the mouth or whatever. Yeah. That's Hollywood.

Yeah, that does that to you. That's just every day. That's all the time. So she got real... She moves in with Sharon and Sharon's two sons and gets real into the prayer group. And really, really into her sister's crazy shit here. Okay. At this point, Sharon's living on welfare and food stamps.

Yeah. And Deborah's unemployed. So they're doing great. Yeah. They're doing great. No one is working. No one is doing anything except for this prayer group. Now, here come all the angels.

The angels are going to enter into this story. They claim, they keep a book called the, quote, Black Book of Angels, which sounds like something like a Marilyn Manson album title, doesn't it? The Black Book of Angels or some like Rob Zombie fucking movie. It sounds like a book that's in a priest's desk, though. No, yeah. You're not allowed to have this role. Olodex. Little black book is what they're going for, full of angel names.

Yeah. It's in a safe somewhere. They say they have over 160 named angels they've communicated with that are in their little book. 160. Yeah. How many are in, there's a lot in the book, right? In the actual book?

Me, you're asking. I've read a lot of books, Jimmy, but that's not one I'm really up on that much. John Travolta's one in that one movie. That's all I know. Yeah. Michael. Michael. Yeah, including the angel of motherhood, the angel of mystery.

Yeah. Ooh, I think that's Agatha Christie when she died. She became the angel of mystery. Telling the Indians. Yeah, the angel of truth. And of course, the angel of was is and is to be. The angel of the past and future. Yeah.

Rather than Christmas Carol breaks it up into three separate jobs. This poor angel has to be present and future. One guy. Get to work, fucker. We got one for present. You do everything else. That's it. So the angels thing.

Now, what they end up finding out is much like this is where La Lori Vallo connection comes in. When people start going off in their own crazy religious beliefs, beliefs of anything, religious or otherwise, things get weird. Yeah, but it's never fucking original. No. That annoys me. But it's like if someone pushes a little bit and then everything. Everybody's okay with that. So then someone else might push a little bit more.

And after a while, if you have this big group, you've all kind of pushed and you've made this giant area that you can operate in now in a belief system. And that's what happened with Lori Vallow. If you don't know that story, she, they heard her and her new husband killed her ex, her ex husband, their kids, her kids, everything. It's goddamn crazy. So many people died. Because they were, they were dark. Right. Because they went.

They went dark. And they had a whole rating system with this person as point. 25 and if he gets up to 0.4.0. That was wild. They have a similar thing. I'd never, in the trial, they never showed the meter that gave him those numbers. No, no, no. They didn't have a meter. They just said it. It was just spoken to them. They never claimed to have a meter. They would just literally talk and they go, your brother's up to point 3-2. And they're like, really? Oh, my God. Well, that's that. Like, they're like, oh, man. That does that. Yeah, like they looked at a temperature. Like, they looked at a thermometer and was

like, it's 36 degrees outside. Like, it was a fact. for that? So what they would do is they would identify people who were in their mind possessed by demons and they would label them much like an insurance company as, quote, totaled. Oh, is that right? Like you ran your car into a fucking telephone pole. Same thing. The damage value exceeds the cost of this vehicle.

Throw it out. What do you do? You put it in a junkyard. That's what they're doing with people. And apparently the person they believe. who is receiving the message from God and his angels, telling them who is totaled and who needs to be dealt with, is nine-year-old Leo.

What? In 1988. The blacksmith's kid? Sharon's nine-year-old, Sharon in Texas, nine-year-old, Leo. Okay. The adults all say, his mother, his aunt, they all did it saying yes. He knows. He just died. If somebody's totaled or not.

He was like their prophet. essentially. Like, they would go to him and say, what's God saying now? Yeah. What's God want now? Dangerous. Yeah. Leo's older brother, Harry, which imagine that.

Your little brother is the... A little nine-year-old? Everybody's kissing his little ass in year 12 going, nobody talks to me. Perfect. Nobody gives a shit. Yeah, you're just learning about jerking off, and this is crazy. It's in sixth grade. He remembered waking up one night here and sneaking a peek through his cracked bedroom door

at what was going on in the living room. He saw his mother asking Leo questions from a sheet of paper. Uh-huh. And every time Leo would answer a question, they would put money in a jar for him. They were paying him. And each time he interacted with his personal angel, by the way, his personal angel's name was the naked truth. Oh. Which is also a 90 sitcom with Tia Leone.

But in this case, an angel. angel who's going to tell it like it is. It's a lot of things too, right? Naked truth isn't that? I just popped into my head as a 90 sitcom. I could see Tia Leone's face for some reason. I remember that one. I think it's a drink by naked drinks too.

I'm sure it is. Yeah. Gotta be. Yeah. So this naked truth would tell Leo who was totaled, which is completely possessed and overwhelmed by evil forces and no longer really alive because they're just controlled by demons anyway. Not a viable person.

No. And once they were declared totaled, they had to be eliminated. We can't have these total demon people out here, just like Lori Vallow did with Chad Daybell. There was supposedly a concept of the, quote, seven doors that you had to pass through. See what I mean? They have to set up arbitrary guidelines. This person can't get to negative four dark because then they're whatever. And this is you have to go through seven doors to become fully totaled.

Yeah. Now, by the way, this is not Leo's fault. Leo is nine. He's nine. If a nine-year-old... If a nine-year-old told you, hey, the angels are telling me, you take him to a goddamn psychiatrist. You know what I mean? That's what you do?

And you go, Jesus, what's going on with this kid? Or you tell him, hey, shut up. If you just think they're lying and trying to... Go to your own. Yeah. Hey, shut up. No PlayStation. That's it.

How do you like that? Tell your angels about no PlayStation. But these, they... They're conditioning him. They ask him a question. He answers it. They give him money. Yeah.

What does that tell a kid? There's a reward for what you're saying. I'm doing the right thing. Yeah. This is what the adults want me to do. Yeah. And it's almost like there's a lot of times you can get kids to say things that didn't happen. You know what I mean?

Oh, yeah. There's a way to make them they want you. They want to impress you as an adult. Well, I mean, The difference is when they're wrong, they're punished or not rewarded, whether they're punished or not. Yeah. They're not rewarded. And that's the goal.

Yep. I mean, he could read between the lines of what they want. So here we go. Now, summer of 1988, John Gentry, who is Sharon's living boyfriend, says that Leo threatened his life. Oh, dang, Leo's a badass. telling him that, quote, you've already gone through four doors, man. You're close. You're on the border.

I'm dead serious. You're through door four, buddy. You've got three more to go, and it's total time. You're knocking on five. You better watch yourself. That's right. And he said that you better watch your back. Or Leo said, according to John, that he would have John's throat slit.

Oh. A nine-year-old. So now he's, hmm, a nine-year-old threatens violence upon knock, knock, knock who's there. You get three more doors. You have no choice. One of the other group members claimed at some point that an angel told them that Sharon shouldn't be with John and is actually should be with a former Catholic priest. That's what the angel said. That's going to be her thing.

So she dumped her boyfriend. She dumped her living boyfriend of three years because someone said, God told me that's bad. I'm going to dump him and try to court a celibate man. That's right. Yeah. So Michael, the middle child who helped Sharon escape from techs there, he's totaled now. Yeah. Oh, is he?

He's totaled now. He's totaled. Yeah, he works in Yamhill County in the Phoenix Horse Farm where he works and has an apartment. Nine-year-old Leo said that Michael was totaled and we got to kill him. There's no choice. Fuck. All seven doors. The group also did other things.

When people were bad and were demons, they would go out and, like, slashed their tires as a group. Yeah. Yeah. They stole shitloads of merchandise and motorcycles from people. And according to the naked truth, the angel, they said committing crimes against these people

don't count because they're taken over by demons. They're not even people. It's fine. Just take their motorcycle. They don't need it anymore. Demons hate motorcycles. It's obvious. They don't got a lot of balance.

So they would, you know, slash tires and claim that the owners of the cars were crooks and they were teaching them lessons. and all this type of shit. It's wild. One incident at a local park, apparently Leo said there's all drug deals going on in the park. He's nine.

Someone had to plant that. Wow. So allegedly here, the Halsteads, Deborah and Sharon, went over there with flashlights, big maglights. Yeah? And Harry, according to what people say, allegedly here, attacked a couple trying to hit them over the head with a flashlight. Oh my.

So we're just in the park? Yeah, they wanted to take their money out of their wallets. But the couple got up and ran away and that was that. Wow. Sharon and Deborah were there egging it on. So the Greens flee their own group. This is getting too weird for Lynn and David. It is.

They didn't like, they thought it was a nice prayer group at first. And now it's, you know, we don't even have snacks anymore. Now it's just demons. This is crazy. This is getting us maglights as we come in the door. This is wild. So they started the group to, you know, just to have a nice prayer group and it didn't happen. And they were like, we're not into this.

So they leave the group. It's at this point here when the Greens brought up their concerns about Leo's messages and these outrageous things and we can hurt people. What is going on here? So the Halsteads take off for a while. They're just gone for like a week. All right. They just leave the area. On October 31st, 1988,

Harry and Leo go to visit their dad Tex. Sharon drops the boys off with Tex. Seems like a nice thing. That's going to go, you know, he's got to get his time. November 3rd, 1998, Michael comes home to his apartment on the horse farm. Yeah. And his apartment is trashed. Trashed.

Everything in there is just completely ransacked. It doesn't even look like a robbery. It looks like someone who just said, let's fuck this place up. Yeah, let's total it. So he said, God damn it. And then he went to talk to a ranch hand that works there, who also is called in a newspaper a horse wrangler, which sounds way cooler than a ranch hand. Yeah. Sounds badass.

That's better be on your LinkedIn. That's pretty good. Totally. So he, absolutely. He goes to find him to see if he found, saw anything. His name is Marston Lemke. He's 58 years old. He goes by Mike.

Mike Lemke. Okay, fine. So he's the caretaker and lives on a small property, a small trailer on the property. Nice guy. Nobody hates old Mike. Old Mike's a good horse wrangling cuss there. Nobody hates him. So Michael finds Mike here.

Michael, the brother, finds the caretaker, finds him in his home, in his trailer. But Mike is slumped over in his bed shot three times. Oh, no. Shot once in the back, once in the shoulder, once in the neck. And we came to just ask Mike, who did this to my place? Yeah, what's going on? And there's other shit going on. There's missing items of mics, including a red truck belonging to Mike, not Michael, Mike the Wrangler, a horse trailer, and a fucking horse that was in the trailer.

Oh, shit. They made off with a whole setup of a horse and everything. Hotwired the truck that was connected to the horse trailer with the horse inside it. The keys are probably in it. It's on a horse farm. Yeah. Didn't know how to disconnect the goose neck. No, fuck it.

Just take the horse, too. I don't know how to get it off of there. So the police investigate this, and Tex is a suspect. Oh, really? The ex-husband. Police knew he has tons of guns, and they know that Michael had helped Sharon escape the marriage. So they think that Tex is getting some retribution. Right.

But Tex had a great alibi. Had his part of any of it. No, no, that was only for that day. That was a couple days later. this was going on. November 4th, 1988, Hallsteads are back in Grants Pass. Yeah. They show up at the Green home on that day, the next day, I mean.

November 5th, 1988 is David Green Jr.'s birthday. Yeah. So Lynn and David and Nate, the two or three-year-old son, they go to David's parents' house, celebrate his birthday, and then they come home. They're getting ready for bed. baby Nathaniel's in a high chair having a snack a little pre-bed snack there

9.40 p.m., somebody knocks on the door. Who's that? David opens the door, and it's Sharon, Deborah, Harry, and Leo. Okay. The two sisters and the two brothers there. The two kids. So David was like, oh, how nice.

You know, we've known them for years and years. They're here to wish me happy birthday. And that's sweet. Yeah. Isn't that great? That's so sweet. So he let them in and they're chatting And they're like, oh, this is really nice.

What a nice end to the day. He said at that point, or people were saying that at that point for about a half hour, the whole Halstead family here, the two boys and Sharon and Deborah are, quote, whispering and snickering. And this is, while the Greens are going about their business, watching TV, one's paying bills at the dinner table. Kimmer in my house to roast us together? But not to our faces, just to each other. Weird. So, you know, the kids, they're playing with the kid in the hospital. high chair, all that kind of shit.

It's very strange. Then they told the Greens that God had given them a message. Oh, that's what happens here. You know, when they start getting into this, apparently the Greens kind of, they're not real into it. They had told them earlier they don't really believe in all this type of shit. So Green said later that he and his wife had several discussions with the Halsteads during the past three weeks about a series of messages going to Leo and all that kind of thing.

And they said they didn't really go along with what they were saying here. Now, about a half hour into this visit, the boys, the two boys asked to go to the bathroom together. I don't know why. All right. So they say, yeah, sure. Now, they're in there for a while. Oh. So Lynn is suspicious and goes in there and checks to see what's going on.

And when she opens the door, 12-year-old Harry is finishing writing something on the wall in red lipstick. On the wall? In red lipstick. In somebody else's house. And he wrote, quote, trust in Jesus on the wall. Okay. All right. Now, Lynn freaked out, said you all need to go.

Yeah. All right. You got to go. So rather than leaving, they circle around the green family. They get closer to them. Deborah grabbed the phone that they had and held it so they can't call anybody. Sharon pulls a gun out of her purse. Oh, boy.

Okay. Harry tells them the guns loaded. So David said, fuck, I got to run. I got to get out of here and go tell somebody. So that's what he does. He runs, and he said he thought that if I don't survive this, no one will ever find out who's doing this. So he made a run for the sliding glass door in the dining room into the backyard. Sharon shoots at him, hits him in the back near his left shoulder. Wow, good shot.

bullet fragments into the rest of his body too and it was lung and everything else. But he keeps running. Wow. He's got adrenaline keeping him going here. He could hear more gunshots behind him as he's running and his wife screaming. This is horrifying. How do you run for me? I mean, I don't know how your body would, you're shot so you have to.

Yeah. This is the worst thing. What do you do? Do you attack the gun or do you go for help? What do you do? And that's just a split second decision. You don't have time to sit and write the pros and comment. Downs down.

Generally speaking, if somebody's got the gun and you don't have one at all, you run. You run. But some people might grab their wife and boy and cover them up. You don't know. It depends on what you're doing that. Yeah. Feel like chicken shit if you survive? There's no right answer here, basically.

There is no right answer to this. It's whatever your body reacts to doing. You have no idea. And that Survivor's Guild is ugly. Oh, it's bad. So David, bleeding, stumbles across the neighborhood, knocking on door. doors. Yeah.

One guy's in his home office. He hears three gunshots in rapid succession. Then hears cries for help at his front door, recognizing it as David. Right. But it still takes him a few minutes to get to the door. He had to finish something up. You know what I mean? Got to send this email.

When he gets there, just a pool of blood. No, David. No guy. So David had gone to another neighbor, Evelyn Drake, and she opened her door, and he just collapsed into her house. Yeah, because he's now almost empty. Yeah, so she called the cops. Apparently when the police arrived and they were trying to help him and revive him,

all that Green said was, quote, they were friends. Why would they do this? And then pass back out. So they're like, oh, this is interesting. We want to hear the rest of this story. Wake back up, dude. So the police arrive at the Green residence and discover Har. Right.

Har. Lynn is dead on the floor. Oh, boy. Lynn has been shot twice, once in the chest and once in the head at point-blank range. Golly. Put her down and finish her off like a mob hit. Nathaniel. Mm-hmm.

It was shot in the face while sitting in a high chair. Two years old. Total. Yeah. Totaled. Must have been totally. Already. This is, that baby's not a witness.

No. Yeah, he can't say anything. He can't say anything. He can't tell. Oh, it was the Hallstead family. Let me draw you a sketch. He's a fucking toddler. He doesn't even get the marshmallows in the Lucky Charms.

He just gets those gross parts. Yeah. Here's some oats. Enjoy. This poor kid, but he's still breathing. He's alive. They rush him to the hospital into surgery. He remains in critical condition for several days, but wakes up and lives.

Get the fuck out of here. He fucking lives. Shot in the chin right in the face. Point-line range. Lives. This kid. Wow. Wow.

Unbelievable. That's incredible. Now, we'll find out he's going to have a condition here. Lifelong problems, for sure. Sure. That's amazing. He's alive. Breathing is incredible. Yeah, he's alive. Now, the scene scattered all around the dining room, there's pools of blood, several 38 caliber bullet casings. Lynn's purse is missing. They find trust in Jesus written in red lipstick in the fucking wall and the bathroom wall.

The investigator said it was the strangest case I've ever investigated. Who would do this? Yeah. Yeah. So this is crazy. Initially, the police thought this must have been a drifter. came through town on the I-5, like Randall Woodfield style, but no. Now, David, they can't talk to him.

He's in surgery. So they don't know what happened. They're hoping he lives, you know what I mean? Fingers crossed, yeah. Multiple witnesses reported seeing a Chevy 4x4, a red Chevy truck four by four, fleeing the scene after gunshots. Dragon or trace?

Dragon trailer? Just coming from the back. That's it. So police were trying to find. Hanging out the back. Yeah, just looking around. They ran the license plate on the truck because they knew where it was and discovered it was stolen recently. Right.

That's Lemke's truck. So they said there's that's when they find out from the other county that there was another homicide a few days earlier up north where that truck had been stolen and the red truck had been taking along with the horse trailer, a horse and saddles and $50,000 worth of equipment. And 38 caliber round was found at the murder scene on the first. on the horse ranch, same as in the green shootings. Yeah. David survives. Unbelievable. The doctors do not remove the bullet fragments from his chest because they fear

cause more damage than leaving him in. He still, the rest of his life, he has bullet fragments. Carries him. Wow. David gives a statement after surgery. He kept saying, is everybody okay and nobody will tell him anything? Because they don't want to upset him, obviously. He just got out of surgery.

And he said that when they finally told him his wife was, dead and his son was in intensive care. He said, I couldn't even cry. I didn't realize what happened. I was just numb. But he knew who did it and he said, it's the goddamn Halsteads. They'll get him.

So they search Greens home just to get any clues about anybody else. And also for, you know, it's a murder scene. So they find the 175 page diary that Lynn kept the Black Book of Angels. She left it? Yes.

So she was the one writing it down originally. Now, that's, they find all these angels and they're like, what the fuck are we walking into? Trusting Jesus on the wall. All this shit. Yeah. November 6, 1988, early morning, they find the sisters. Oh?

They're at Sharon's home, so it wasn't that hard to find them. That was cool. Nope. Southeast Street, Southeast Eye Street in Grants Pass. There they are. By the way, what's parked in the driveway? A red truck. Yeah.

So they were like, perfect. At 1.30 a.m. They got a search warrant. They brought the SWAT team in, evacuated all the neighbors to a local boys and girls club. They didn't know if it was going to be a shootout. They had a hostage team ready. And there's a neighbor who's a journalist who's like hanging out trying to take pictures of it and shit. So they ended up eventless.

Just they go in, they get them out, they pull them in cuffs, put them face down on the grass. The other two adults there, their parents. Right. were they let them go. They were cleared of everything. And they get the kids, too, Harry and Lee. They got the boys, yeah. So her dad, here, the Halstead father, said they had our two daughters and our two grandsons

cuffed lying face down on the ground. Yeah, man. That's what he said at first. Yeah. Then he found out why. Oh, fuck him. And he said, we've been friends for so long. I don't understand this.

He said, they've known David Green since he was a baby. I can't believe they did this. Right. So did it. So dad is like John Gentry, they talked to him. Remember the ex-boyfriend who got kicked out for going through four doors? He talked all about the book of angels corroborated it. He was present for all this shit.

Then they find the horse trailer also and the horse. The horse is fine too. It's hungry. The kid and the edible. No, no. They boarded it at a barn in Grant's Pass. It's being paid for. What is that?

I don't know. The horse is fine. It's eating oats, feeling great. Like a little kid with lucky charms with no marshmallows. That is fascinating. Wow. The kids are taken into protective custody, Harry and Leo, but not before there's a chat. When they interview the boys, they spoke about how Leo had been told by the women that he could talk to angels and God.

He said, I never said that they told me I could, so I thought I could. Okay. He said, I never actually said I could hear angels or see them. Okay. Was it Harry? it was writing on the wall or was it at least? It was Harry. Yeah.

He'd probably a better penmanship at 12. Probably, yeah. Yeah, you can run cursive. Yeah, yeah, that's good. Loops. Not bad. Trust in Jesus with a big jake. Don't even pull the Mabeline off the wall.

So the murder weapons, a 38 snub-nosed handgun that was stolen from Texas collection by Harry and Leo when they went to visit. That's why they went to visit to steal their gun from them to bring back to their mother. You little scumbags. Well, she said, go steal a gun from your dad and bring it back to me. And they did it. Yeah, their mom told them to. They thought it was right.

Their mom's telling them that there's demons everywhere. You have to do this to stop the demons. If you're nine, you go, yeah, great, stop the demons. Take a gun from dad. I thought wrestling was real. You know what I mean? We all done it. What the hell do we know when we're nine?

So what ended up happening, the whole thing is October 31st, 88, Sharon dropped the boys off, had them steal the guns. Then they went up to the horse farm there to kill Michael. That's why they went there. Michael wasn't around. And Mike saw him. So they trashed the place. They poured out all of his booze on the floor, ripped up his magazines.

They threw leftover food on the walls and floor and everything. And then Harry wrote on the walls after his mom told him to, You are dead, Mike. J.C. Like Jesus wrote it. Jesus Christ. J.C. was here and things should get. The big man.

So they went to try to steal some gas somewhere on the property. That's when they ran into Lemke. And they, that's when they shot Lemke. He assumed they were there to see Michael because he knew them. But Sharon brought up that they have to kill him now. And Lemke's like, hey, hold on a minute here. I don't, I'm not involved in any of this shit. But they said they had to.

Later on, they had knocked on his door and told him they let him, he let him in. and she said, we got to kill you. She shot him in front of the 12-year-old son, by the way. They stole his truck and drove off.

November 5th, Leo had delivered another message from the naked truth that the green family is totaled. Okay. So that's when they shot up.

They showed up, shot David. He escaped. Apparently after, according to the boys here. Right. After David escaped, Sharon turned the gun

to the two-year-old first. What? Shot him in the fucking face. The fuck out of my life. Harry later said that she did it with no hesitation and he was shocked by it that she just shot a baby in the face. Unbelievable.

Then Lynn tried to jump at Sharon and tackle her after that as you would. I try to rip her fucking eyes out of her head. And Sharon shot her. That's it. Shot her in the chest. Lynn dropped down and then she shot her in the head at point blank range. Good Lord. So the sisters are going to be.

charged with, Sharon is charged with four counts of aggravated murder. Uh-huh. One count of murder, two counts of attempted murder, two counts of first-degree assault. Deborah, one count of murder, two counts of first-degree assault. Yeah. So, they allowed a bail to be set for Deborah, but not for Sharon. She's the trigger person here. Right.

Now, the prosecutors will seek the death penalty against Sharon. Hell yeah. Yeah, you shut a baby in the face. You shut a baby, man. I don't... Fuck you. I got nothing for you. The Halsteads are going to claim insanity.

I mean, crazy. I mean, it sounds crazy. The whole time out there, everyone listening is going, this is crazy. I'm convinced. This is insane. They want to do the Lemke case first, the state does, because it's not a death penalty case, so it's less complex. So they could, you know, warm up with that one. Then May 12, 1989, Deborah pleads guilty to conspiracy to murder.

Oh. And she is sentenced to you, ma'am. Hold on, I got my gavel. Yeah. People have sent us here. May fuck off. Yeah. Two 20-year terms.

But that's not consecutive. That's concurrent. So it's 20. It's 20. And she's eligible for parole after about 40 months for some reason. What? I don't know. Sharon follows suit.

She pleads guilty to avoid the death penalty. Yeah. Because that's out there. Also trying to get less time than diddy. Yeah. All these people are. Yeah. Crazy.

She pleads guilty to murder for killing Lynn Green, murder for killing Mike Lemke, two counts of attempted murder for David and Nathaniel. Okay. As part of the plea bargain, the county prosecutors will not seek a conviction for aggravated murder, which is the death penalty one. Okay. So no matter what, because you can make a deal, but the judge does not have to abide by a sentencing deal.

They can go, I know the prosecutor said that, but I'm sentencing you. to this. So you take the aggravated off the table and then you can't do it anymore. So to be convicted of aggravated murder, prosecutors would have had to prove that Sharon wanted to kill the Greens for some reason other than her religious convictions.

I don't know why, but you would. It has to be like wanted to steal from them, wanted to, whatever. So she never admits guilt, Sharon. Is that right? Never does. She said she felt bad for what happened to Nathaniel.

But pretty much said that David and Lynn deserve it. Whatever. They needed to go. They're controlled by demons. And, you know, my son told me all that kind of shit. According to the findings of fact, Sharon had believed that if she did not comply with her son's instructions, she would be possessed by demons. And then she'd be all totaled out.

Oh, my. That's how it goes. You got to drive defensively in his life. That's what it is. You do. You really do. The insurance companies are right. So they also said that, including all these religious beliefs, you got to be able to.

is the theft of a horse and all that kind of thing. You know, Jesus needs horses, obviously. You hear that a lot in the Bible. That's a very, that's, is that grand theft equestrine or something? They're very expensive, man. It's a very expensive item. Yeah. And also, they, she believed that stealing people's possessions who were possessed was

fine because their things were, quote, available to them at that point. They don't need them anymore. Yeah. Prosecutors said they're satisfied. They said if the case went to trial, he didn't. believe the jury would impose the death penalty on this lady anyway. She's got two kids and all this. They're not going to do it.

They said that she's, quote, not likely to be released for a very, very long time. And frankly, probably never is what he said. So we don't care. So she's going to, she pleads guilty to all that. At Sharon's sentencing, her ex comes back to haunt her. Is that right? Remember John Gentry? I remember him.

Oh, yeah. He shows up and talks about the black book and about. First-hand knowledge of the boy's behavior and all that. He said that I've been through four doors, Leo told me, a quote, I better watch my back because I'll have your throat slit. Yeah. This is not good. He says that if Sharon hadn't broken up with him shortly before the murders,

I'm sure he would have been on the kill list. And he said the only thing that saved him was not some other person's craziness who thought a Catholic church. No. An angel broke them up. an angel saved him, he said. I mean, that is their job. He just said it real, real circuitously around the whole thing there.

Did he give it the name? Didn't give the particular. This angel's not getting credit, which is bullshit. If you're going to save a life, get some, take credit for it. Stole a meme, bud. Credit the author. So the defense attorneys, yes. The defense attorneys tried to show that Sharon was passive and a dependent person.

and could easily be led by a nine-year-old? No, you do the leaving. The defense attorney said the religious gatherings she had participated in had a powerful effect on her. This guy had the balls to say this about a woman who shot a baby in the face. Right. She was a victim, too. Her life was turned upside down by this cult. Pull the trigger in a baby's face.

The prosecutor said, no, no, no, no. These religious beliefs were radically different from anybody else around them, including the Greens. and this is crazy and says you, wacky asshole, they fuck off 75 years to life with no possibility of parole for 75 years. On a plea deal. On a plea deal. Who, boy. So if she lives to be about 115, she'll get out.

Otherwise, she's fucked. This is 30 years minimum for the murder of Mike Lemke, 25 years minimum for the murder of Lynn Green, consecutive 10-year minimum sentences for each of the two attempted. murder charges. There's your 75 right there. After they, at sentencing, the judge said anything to say for yourself and she said, nope. Wow. I'm good. Don't want to say sorry. I shot a baby in the face. Yeah. Yep. Oh, and the Seventh-day Adventist church kicked them out. Excommunicated. Gone. Revoked. Pulled your card. So prosecutors said they were satisfied with the sentences

because, because of her will, the Deborah's willingness to make a statement on Sharon that's how they did this. So they were happy with that. Now, Leo and Harry were placed in state custody after the murders, not charged with anything. Those boys have seen so much bad shit. They need help.

You need to help these boys. It's not their fault. They're children. And especially if it's your parents and your mother telling you to do things. A 70-something-year-old blacksmith ain't going to be around long enough to take care of those boys.

Nope. David survived. Has damaged nerves, has fragments of bullet in his lung and elsewhere in his chest, but he goes on. He ended up Nathaniel, he was left paralyzed from the chest down. Oh, damn it. He had years of surgeries and treatments, but it never paralyzed from the chest down. Yeah. But he clipped his spine.

Right. But he has use of his arms. Okay. And apparently full mental faculties and everything like that also. Wow. Yeah. He had difficulty for a while. while when he was in the hospital, he was able to recognize his father at first, which was nice.

By 2012, one article written about the case, Nathaniel was 24 years old and attending Southern Oregon University. Holy shit. So, hey, this kid is tough, man. Nathaniel. Better than I am. Good for you, bud. Holy shit, man.

Imagine if he had his legs. This poor, yeah. What a fucking bad. He'd be on the track team, probably. Yeah. He'd be the quarterback. This poor kid, man. He's, wow.

His father said he's had all these operations, but he still remains paralyzed. David since remarried, works and Grant passed and lived there for a long time. He said he dealt with a lot of guilt afterwards, which I can't imagine what he thought. The survivor's guilt's got to be crazy. Poor bastard, man. He said, I had no idea they were planning to execute Lynn, much less why shoot a two-year-old? What mother could do that? I didn't know they had this dark side.

Vile. According to him, he thought they were just going to kill him. So if he ran away, they might follow him and the threat would leave. So that was what he thought. He didn't know they were there to kill everybody. He said, you might say I was lucky, but I would attribute it to other things. The bullet entered, you know, my body. It's still there.

He said, if I had only grabbed Nathaniel. He said, we had a home life. We like to go camping and do all the things everyone likes to do. A future, more kids, then this whole thing hit a wall. If he grabs the kid, though, he might be a step or two closer. And she might have hit you both in the head. Yeah. been too, or you might have dropped him or who knows.

So Michael Hallstead ended up dying in his 40s, but we don't know why. Oh, really? Yeah, it wasn't murdered, so that's good. Harry has found some stability. He was charged with theft in 1994, but now he's fine, apparently, though. He's actually spoken publicly and even did the investigation discovery documentary twisted sisters. Really?

commented on it and, yeah, gave a talking head. Leo has had some problems over the years. Is that right? Carcerated several times. Really? He gave an interview for an episode of Snapd about his case, but then apparently went to jail shortly afterwards, according to this report. We don't know. Allegedly, probably.

His brother also referenced his continued struggles when he, Harry did when he did the interview. Deborah got released from prison pretty promptly. Yeah. She moved to Portland and got married. Like, it never happened. Sharon incarcerated at the Coffee Creek Correctional Facility in Wilsonville, Oregon. Yeah. And they have made, investigation discovery made an episode of Snap and an episode of Twisted Sisters about this case as well.

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