Small Town Murder - Deadly Deeds With Dad - Wallburg, North Carolina

Episode Date: January 15, 2026

This week, in Wallburg, North Carolina, a twisted story unfolds when a seeming fairy tale relationship, between an Irish widower, and his American au pair, ends with bloodshed, lies, and a father/daughter team that stick to their stories, amongst increasingly incriminating facts. A brutal, and planned murder, with the goal of getting custody of the kids that aren't even hers... Or simply self defense, against a man who was becoming increasingly more violent?    Along the way, we find out that there are actually a few local festivals that Ludacris isn't booked on, that when you hear 10 lies from someone, there's probably 100 more, and that no one keeps a brick on their nightstand, unless they're up to something!! New episodes, every Wednesday & Friday nights!! Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder, Crime In Sports & Your Stupid Opinions!   Follow us on... instagram.com/smalltownmurder facebook.com/smalltownpod   Also, check out James & Jimmie's other shows, Crime In Sports & Your Stupid Opinions on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts!!

This week, in Walburg, North Carolina, a twisted story unfolds when a seeming fairy tale relationship ends with bloodshed lies and a father-daughter team that stick to their stories amongst increasingly incriminating facts. Welcome to Small Town Murder. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Small Town Murder. Yay! Oh, yay indeed, Jimmy! Yay, indeed! My name is James Petro Gallo. I'm here with my co-host.

I'm Jimmy Whist. Thank you folks so much for joining us today on another absolutely insane edition of Small Town Murder. We cannot wait for this. It's a wild episode. We'll get into all of that and more. First, though, head over to shut up and give me murder.com. Get your merchandise. Get your tickets to live shows. Oh, yes. That's the most important thing. Full slate of 2026 live shows are available starting out on February the 21st in Nashville. Get your tickets right now. Then we're going to Atlanta, Durham. is sold out for small town murder.

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We are comedians. That does not mean the story isn't insanely and unfortunately very real. That's the thing. Nothing is made up for comedic effect. We try to do better research than Dateline or 2020 or any of these shows and be funny at the same time. So that's what we're trying to do here. You know, that's a go, how do you do that? very easily.

We don't make fun of the victims. No. Or the victim's families. Why is that, James? Because we're assholes. But... But we're not scumbags. See how that works?

It's real easy to do. So if you think that true crime and comedy should never, ever go together, though, maybe we're not for you, but... Yeah. Maybe we are, though. I would give it a listen, and you're going to hear a wild story.

And for the rest of you, though, that want to hear a crazy story, and you're going to hear a wild one here, I think it's time. I think it's time. I think it's time. Let's all sit back. What do you say?

Let's all clear the lungs and let's all shout. Shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, everybody. All right. Let's go on a trip, shall we? We're going down to North Carolina this week, where we'll be in Durham on March 6th, as a matter of fact. But here we're going to Walberg, North Carolina, not Durham.

This is central North Carolina. It is about 15 minutes to Winston-Salem, just outside Winston-Salem. About an hour over to Charlotte and about an hour and a half to King's Mountain, North Carolina, our last North Carolina episode, episode 626, The Thirsty Killer. Right. Again, the North Carolina cases are always wild, man. Named after Donnie. Very well over there. Of course.

Yeah. Different spelling. Yeah. Named after him and all of his brothers. Doesn't he have brothers? Mostly Donnie. We all care about Donnie. Marky Mark's like, what am I?

What have I? You got enough money, you fuck. Come on. it, feel it. Give me some, put my name on it. The other guy had to marry Jenny McCarthy to have anything. This is in Davidson County, area code 336. A little bit of history of Walberg here.

It started out with a guy named Samuel W. Wall. There you go, because it's W-A-L-L-B-R-G, Wallberg. Oh, that's a real of walls. Yeah, this was Samuel W. Samuel W. Wall in 1860, the second generation of the family in the area had a coach making business. Oh. Which is pretty good. Making like stage coaches?

Yeah, the stuff for that. They had at one point, this is in the late 1800s here, $600 worth of capital investment. God damn. They were rolling it. Upwards of $600? Three employees. Wow. And they were producing 10 buggies and carriages worth $1,100 annually.

Every year? You're crushing it. Crushing it. Two of his sons, he had Charles and George, founded their own firm, which was a lumber company. And they started making, I guess, kind of finished type things to make furniture. So, yeah, they saw, they had a saw and planing mill, and they basically made planks, wooden boxes and some finished products such as couch frames. Well, fuck this show. I want to know more about these guys.

These guys are real interesting. Yeah, they made a land purchase in 1888. George did. And there's this house that basically his relatives lived in until like the late 70s, 1970s. The town wasn't incorporated until 2004. Dang. And they were like,

world is fuck till 20 years ago. Yeah, till literally 20 years ago. A few reviews of this town. There aren't a ton of reviews of this town here. Five stars. Here we go. It's a beautiful town. And many long-time residents know each other well, I bet.

They have to. Yeah, they run into the same couple thousand people. Yeah. There are some residents who are obnoxious and the safety of roads is subpar. But that can come in any neighborhood. Abnoxious people, terrible roads, five stars. I got 60 houses in my neighborhood, James. I'll bet you, I mean, there's a lot of...

40 of them are obnoxious. Yeah. You know that. You have an HOA, so that's a higher percentage of obnoxious. It's certainly more pleasant than a large city. Okay. It's one of those people that's like, I don't care if it's terrible. It's still better than something else.

I'd rather be, all right, they're those people. Four stars, Walberg is a small town full of great people. Pretty much everyone know each other, not knows, know each other. That's what are the obnoxious people. Yeah. And we love to support our local community. All right. Then, four stars.

I like where I live. Most of the people are nice. Most. Most, except for the obnoxious ones. And then finally, four stars. which this should be a lower rating, I would imagine, if this is all you're concerned about, because it's a very short review.

Quote, B and E's have been more frequent lately. Four stars. Jesus, that sounds horrifying. That's four stars. Breaking and entering those ones? Four stars for me just shivering in my bed and fear. Four stars. It's great.

Every time I leave the house, my shit's not safe. It's four stars. Great. Four stars. Perfect. People in this town, population 3,050. It's a small town. Very small, yeah.

It's outside of Winston-Salem's a pretty decent size, and Lexington is right nearby. And we'll talk about that for the things to do. They have like 20,000 people there. So it's a bunch of kind of suburbs of a small city, essentially. More women than men here, 50.8% women, 49.2% men. Median age is like exactly the national average. 38.3. I think it's 38.4 nationally.

Family here, this is a get married, stay married kind of town. This is one of the highest we've ever seen. 67% married in this town. God damn. This is a suburb, like a son of a bitch. 36% married with children. Only 4% are single with children. So this is, you stay married here.

Race in this town, 92.4% white, 0.3% black, 1.1% Asian, 5.8% Hispanic. Religion in this town, normally 50%%%%% of this town. 50, 50 in the rest of the country. Here, about 40% of the people are religious, which is surprising for semi-rural North Carolina. And the highest percentage of people are Methodist. That's another surprise. It's close second as Baptist, as we know, Baptists are the Catholics of the South. But Methodists coming in and stealing it this time.

Are they popular in many communities at all? I don't know. I have no idea, I guess. Apparently here, yeah, they're the number one. Median household income here, $83,11, which is above the $69,000 average. Median home cost here, $277,500. Not bad. Not bad.

Higher income, lower home cost. That equals an easier way to live. And if we have convinced you that Walberg is the place for you, you want to find out all about furniture making and couch framing and all that stages and things like that. We have for you the Walberg, North Carolina. Real Estate Report. Average two-bedroom rental here, $950, which is well below the national average. That's not bad. Yeah, it's $1.20, everywhere else, $12.80. That's a pain in fucking 2004.

Yeah, that's exactly right. House number one here is a four-bedroom, two-bath, 1910 square foot. It's got to be manufactured. It has to be. It's big. Yeah, it's a decent size, but you can see. That's not. No one.

I don't. I don't know. It was built in 2021 is why I say that. If it was older, it's hard to say. The architecture is that of a manufactured or... Yeah. It's a bad plan if it's not a manufactured home. It built a house that looks like a trailer.

Good job. If your architect brought you that and he said yes, you could have just bought a trailer for a third of that price. That's it. 279,900 bucks for that. It just got a $20,000 price cut, by the way. Wow. House number two, three bedroom, three bath, tea ball for all your bee hulls. This is brand new, built just now.

Just it's not, no one's ever lived in it. 2,340 square feet. It is just your average, as you can see. It kind of looks like your average suburban home. Very nice. That house is $381,990. Shit. And then finally.

That's crazy. House number three, four. Bedroom, four bath. T-Bull for each and every beehole, everybody. Let's see this. 3,481 acres, or I'm sorry, 3,481 square feet. Oh, okay. 14.6.

Yeah, 14.61 acres. So, still a lot. Look at this place. God, damn. It's cool. It's got a pond in it, which just looks like a nice place for mosquitoes to breed. That looks terrific. Nice porch.

That's great. It's a real nice house. It's cool looking, too. Is that a chimney? It's so big. It is. It's a big chimney there. Nice inside. Fireplace. This house, though, $989,900 bucks.

Oh, yeah. Almost 15 acres, I guess I could see. It's a big house, but that's a little expensive, though, I think. Things to do here. Well, we're going to move over to Lexington for things to do. Oh. About 15 minutes away. Now, Lexington here has a couple of things. They have pigs in the city, number one. Sure. So do a lot of cities. Dude, this is wild. It's a public art initiative where they just have giant life size. Life size, I mean human life size, not pig life size.

Sculptures of pigs installed throughout the city. Oh, they're just pigs? Just pigs and dress different, cartoonish pigs, different kind of pigs. Lexington touts themselves as the barbecue capital of the world. Have they not heard of Kansas City? Yeah, they don't do that because this is, don't start a barbecue war. People in North Carolina think Kansas City and Texas barbecue is trash. People in Texas think that's true.

Everyone has their own style. In North Carolina, from what I've had, Texas is dry and shitty. I don't like their stuff. Texas is terrible. It's not great. It's dry. Tennessee's shit. Dry rub my shit.

Fuck out of you. I want it juicy. God damn it. Yeah. Tennessee, I don't mind. They got some spices. There's some good stuff. stuff there. It gets better. North Carolina's got that

vinegary shit on the pork. You pull the pork. You pull the pig. Oh, it's so fucking good there, barbecue sauce. I love it. Is hickory? Is that the tree or is that North Carolina? That's what you're smoking it. Okay. So that's the, that's the tree. But they just, they drench it in this vinegar based barbecue sauce. All right. So fucking good. It's like thin. Oh, it's good. It's good. I like it. You like thin barbecue, huh? No. That's the thing. Only down there. Normally I like a nice You know, I like a barbecue sauce.

It'll stick to it and that's good. Right, right, right. Different type of thing. But this is a different... I want to chew through the fucking sauce. Yeah, this is a different kind of barbecue. Like, this is like a... It's almost like a juice they put on it.

Oh. It's just the juice of the meat? No, it's a barbecue sauce they make it of vinegar because I asked the guy who was doing the pet the pig on the grill. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's goddamn good, though. Man, is it good. It's addictive.

It's a, you want more of it right now. Fine. I'll give them more credit if they want it. But other barbecue, I like Kansas City. Tennessee's fine. So pigs in the city drew more than 40,000 visitors from all over the state in 2003. It's first year just to see sculptures of pigs around the day. They're not kidding.

Yeah. That's wild. It ran for a few years and then went away and then came back. So who knows? Check and see if it's this year. There's also the Lexington Barbecue Festival. There you go. Now we're talking here.

You can have a, let's see, here are the events. The Cork and Craft Hospitality Garden. Yeah. The pre-pig shindig. A pre-pig. A pre-pig. In North Carolina, they take a giant pig and they put it on a grill. All right.

It's a whole goddamn pig on there. And they like cut into it and they put the barbecue sauce on it. They spray it in there as it's cooking so it gets all in there and juicy. And it basically, when you eat it, it just melts in your mouth. It falls apart and melts. It's the most beautiful thing in the world. Then there's the uptown Lexington painted pig hunt. Sure.

Which could be interpreted in a very very... different way. We don't want that. Oh, painted pig. That is bad. Leave my mom out of this. Yeah, God damn it. And then there is also music, of course. And you got to have music. They got a festival. Oh, they got music. You got music here. Who's playing the pig barbecue? Who do you think is here? Well, we have. Matt Cooper. No. He, look at his picture. It looks like wanted for kidnapping eight children. Look at him. Or a terrible threat. Or a very, very, very very. Or he's just his grinder profile.

That's a fascinating looking. Who, why would he choose that? I don't know. It looks like somebody took it. He said, hey, did you just take a picture of me? That's what it looks like. Hey, you didn't just take a picture, did you?

Oh, yeah. Don't take a picture of me looking at these kids. Runaway June, which is three ladies with really long hair and curls and all probably June. Then there's a Shane prophet. With two T's. Okay. Uh-oh. Shane has a beard and no mustache.

And a camouflage hat on. I know what you do, Shane. We know exactly what you do. I know the music you make, man. To change it up a lot. Chairman of the Board, which is three older black men in purple suits dancing. So that's like a Motown revival of some kind. Chairman?

Is that what it is? Yeah, Chairman of the Board, all three of them. Jim Quick and Coastline. which just looks like some dad and his friends. It's just what it looks is a bunch of 50-year-old men. And finally, Band of Oz, OZ. And they all have this, it's a bunch of, they're all over 50, obviously. Some of them look like they're over 70.

And they look like a bowling team. They're all wearing the same outfit. It's like up in smoke. You know, we all wear the same thing, but like different. Oh, that's hysterical. They look like a bowling team. That's great. At what age is it appropriate to say this isn't going to work.

It's not going to. Yeah. What are we doing here? Also featured Smitty and the Jump Starters. Oh, boy. The Robertson Boys. Uh-huh. And, of course, groove machine.

Got to have groove machine. All right. Full effect. That is a wild festival. I guess the food's the draw. The food is the draw because you've never heard any of those people. You know all these weird country artists. Yeah.

If Jimmy doesn't know you, Shane, Shane Prophet. You're probably terrible. By the way, I'd like Matt Cooper to loan his mustache to Shane Prophet. Then I got one beard. Then I got one full facial hair and one guy who doesn't look like a pedophile anymore. It's perfect. We should do that.

That is crazy. Jesus Christ. Crime rate in this town. What we're interested in here. All those B&E's and everything. Yeah. It's property crime is about one quarter above the national average. Oh.

So I don't know what's going on over there. Small town. Yeah. Everybody's got kids and everything, but they're doing that. Now, violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and of course assault, the Mount Rushmore of crime, really. That is about one quarter beneath the national average. Okay.

It's safe like that. I don't know. Sure. I guess a B&E would be a property crime if nobody was there. Yeah, but that feels violent. It feels, yeah. If it's in my house, that's violent. If break is in the title of it, that's, it sounds violent.

You broke something. That's violent. Now, before we. talk about this murder because we have to talk about a murder everybody oh yeah we do want to say stay tuned next week next show that we're not expressed this week but the next week regular show we've got a monstrous announcement for you it's a huge tickle your ass with a feather very big very cool announcement it's going to be pretty pretty fun to announce and very excited about it we've been holding it in for a while so we're gonna yeah we'll let you know next week a first date

fart we can't wait together. Oh man. Phew. Thank God I got the fuck out of there. No blowjob needed. We've been trying to, yeah, we've been trying to make it happen for a long time. So now we can finally tell him next week. Next week. We're not allowed to say it now.

Not allowed. Next week, next week we will do. Yeah, we're not trying to be dicks here, but next week. That said, let's talk about this murder. Okay. Let's start out with June 4th, 2011 in the setting of Knoxville, Tennessee. Oh, all the way up there.

We're going over to Knoxville for this one here. This is the day of a lovely wedding. We usually jump into like a 911 call or, you know, a person's backstory. Let's jump in the middle here of a... We never say, hey, let's have a nice event first off in a murder story. So let's do it today with this here. Where is it? It's wedding bells in Knoxville, June 4th, 2011, a June wedding and everything.

Oh, yeah. And even... Tennessee. Even the beginning of June, so you don't sweat out of. your bride's dress there. So the participants of this marriage are Jason Corbett, who is 34 at the time. He's born February 12th, 1976, and his fiance is Molly Martins. She's a little younger.

What color is what? What color is the wedding? I was going to say, they're both white. That's what I was going to say. I don't know. I was like, I don't know why you need to know that. That's why I was like, what? I mean, they're both white, but who cares?

Tanned and purple. What's the difference? Yeah. Now, Jason brings with him to the marriage, two kids. All right. Jack, who is five at the time, and Sarah, who's three at the time. He's a widower. He's not divorced.

He is a very young man and a widower, and he's also Irish. Really? He's from Ireland. He doesn't live in America on the day they're being married. He lives in Ireland. So we have an Irish widower with two kids coming into this. And she is, whoof, a lot of different things, but currently an au pair from Tennessee. God dang.

So an Irish widower and an opair from Tennessee are getting married in Tennessee in June of 2010. Was she her? Or 11. I'm sorry. Was she his opair in Ireland? We will talk all about that of how they got that. Now, at the wedding, one of Jason's relatives, his sister, starts talking to one of Molly's bridesmaids,

whose name is Susie, which is the ultimate bridesmaid name. Yeah. I think, right? To women, when they pick out bridesmaids, so they go, well, I don't, I need a Susie. Thank God. When they meet in high school and she's like, I'm Susie, she's like, oh, great. puts her in a rolodex for later.

We're going to be lifelong friends. I need you. Perfect. I need a bridesmaid. Now, they're taught, so this is Jason's Irish sister. and Molly's Tennessee Susie friend. Okay. They're sitting there chit-chatting

and they're very confused. When two people are talking about the same thing and both of them have different information completely, it's very strange. Oh, it's so fun. It's like us on crime and sports trying to figure out which Jack we're talking about. It's that kind of thing

where you're like, hold on, we have different info. They're probably civil and they don't yell at each other. Well, they're not committed. comedians, that's why. They're not honest or fun. So, Susie is talking to the sister saying, man, this is such a fairy tale, isn't it? I mean, like, I feel so bad because the mother of these two kids, Jason's dead wife, was such a good friend of Mollies and, you know, how while this woman was dying of cancer, this Jack, Jason's ex, Jason's dead wife and the kids. She died of cancer?

This is what the friend saying. While she's dying of cancer, how this woman, you know, asked Molly, please make sure to take care of my family, be the kid's godmother, like, take care of my kids. Susie's saying all this. Susie's telling the sister, this is amazing what your brother's doing because, you know, this is so nice of the dead woman to basically say, please take care of my kids. And now Molly's marrying the husband and, you know, just like the wife wanted and she can take care of her. isn't this nice. Now, Jason's sister is like, huh?

What the fuck you're talking about? Literally, what the fuck are you talking like that? Oh, boy. She said, wait a second. No. That didn't happen? She said, none of that is true. And so Susie's like, what are you talking about?

I just talked to her. She told me all of this. She told everybody all this. She said, yeah, no, that is not. None of that's true at all. Why would you? She just said. She didn't die of cancer.

Why would you say that? Molly never knew this. woman. Never met her in her fucking life, never talked to her once. So there's some confusion on the wedding day here. Oh yeah. Let's find out how we got here to this point of awful confusion.

Okay. Now Jason Corb, it is from Limerick Ireland, which is amazing because we just did a year stupid opinions episode this week with a movie theater in Limerick Ireland. Where they eat pots of cheese with their popcorn. Where they dip and so many people were defending that. And they're so mad at

I'm like, this is crazy. I'm like, this is crazy. I'm like, this is ridiculous. Try dipping a kernel of popcorn and fucking cheese. It doesn't work. You can't pour it on when it's hot. All the popcorn will melt. You can't wait until it's cold.

It'll just sit in clumps. There's no way to do it. If you dip it's ridiculous. It's a mess. Americans figure it out. It's powdered cheese. That's what you do. That's what you do.

Yeah, exactly. Sprinkle that on and eat it. It's worse for you, too. So that's better. We figured it out. Yeah. Here, put this chemical cheese on. Now, Jason is one of eight siblings.

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His parents and siblings are very close. close family. That's how they was raised. I mean, they're hard workers. They don't have a lot of money, but they're close and they work hard and everybody will pitch in. Okay. You know, everybody talks. It's a very, very close, very open family that always hangs out with. And they didn't have any money so they made people to help. Yeah. We need a bunch of people to do this, like the Amish. They're Irish Amish. Yeah. Fuck a crew out of her. Yeah, that's right. So they said, said that everyone here, you know, had to chip in.

And Jason and his siblings always carry that, too, is they're always very close as they grow older. Everybody stays in a lot of close touch and everything like that. Jason's known as a, everybody said he's a real laid-back guy that always has a smile on his face. Very kind of humorous. You know what I mean? He's like one of those happy Irish guys.

In America, we look at Irish people as two things. Either angry and punch. or happy and smiling and singing songs and shit. Either way, your shit face, don't get me wrong. I usually see them as angry and punching or singing a shanty, you know what I mean? One of the two. Angry and subdued.

Or they're all arms around each other singing a song. One of the two. That's just one day of the year. Or causing a soccer riot. We don't know. So that's kind of how this goes, but he's that guy, I guess. And everybody said he would come in. and everything would kind of brighten up, basically.

We'll talk about his guy has a job and all that kind of thing. His sister Tracy, we'll talk about her a lot in this, she said that they, she realized later that they definitely struggled to make ends meet as a kid. She didn't know it at the time, really. So whatever was going on was working. She said, we didn't feel poor. It felt like we were fine. Just didn't tell them the finances.

Yeah, and I mean, that's also if you grow up in an area, where everybody's kind of of your socioeconomic level. You don't really feel poor because it's the same as everything else. They didn't have any rich kids in their high school. Like, hey, what the hell? Hold on a second. Parents buy their kids' BMWs? What's going on?

That guy's driving a brand new taro. Jesus. So at one point, dad lost his job. And Jason, who was still in school, got a part-time security job at the school's Sports Center to help make extra cash just to give to the family. So let's say everybody pitches in. It's one of those things. Nobody even thinks twice.

Oh, well, he's doing that. I'll pick up the slack over here and we'll, you know, everything will even out here. Now, his sister, Tracy, says, quote, Jason is an amazing human being. When he was young, he was fun and vivacious, a little bit giddy. You would hear him before you would see him. We would just spend summers in Spanish Point in County Clare. Hang out, fish, just kind of normal, traditional Irish upbringing, really. That sounds awesome.

That sounds great. Yeah, that's not bad at all. So, you know, he went. He went to school. He gets a job with an international packaging company as a plant manager. So he's got a decent job. He makes good money over there, too. He's doing...

International packaging company. He's doing pretty well. That's when he meets Mags. Okay? Yeah. Mags is Margaret Fitzpatrick. Yeah. And this is going to be his future wife.

And everybody said when they met, it was like, immediate. Love it for a sight. Everybody could see. Oh, these two were made for each other. like nobody was against it. If both sides of the family, everyone's like, this is great. It's probably good, you know what I mean? No one has any anything there, you know, any bad things to say about it.

Tracy, the sister, said they were just so happy and so excited with life and so enthusiastic about it as well. So they end up when they have kids. He says they had two kids, a boy and a girl, and she says they had their little prince and little princess. They married in 2003. Okay. And when they, in 2004, September, they have a son named Jack, and then August of 2006, they have a daughter named Sarah. Okay. So that's how this goes.

And when their kids are born, everybody says rather than it causing any kind of tension, it brings everybody closer. God, yeah, because that's what he's from. They're loving it. Yeah, they said Jason loved his role as a father. He was dove into it head first. He would change diapers and read books. And there's women going, so? Not that that's bad, but it's also some guys don't do that.

So say, all right, there you go. Surprisingly rare. I know it sucks, but that's true. Yeah, it's true. And everybody felt happy and safe and all that kind of thing. So it's very nice. He liked little things. He'd take the kids for walks in the park and stuff like that and they all enjoy it.

You know, things that are free and nice and just spend time together. Now, Maggie, or Mags, I'm sorry, Margaret here, is she's kind of the center of the family because he's at work, she's home with the kids. So she, you know, she spends the most primary caregiver of these children here. And he is, loves her, loves the two kids. Everybody said it was a very stable and comfortable home that, you know, you'd go there. There was never any kind of just no, yeah, there's just no tension, none of that stuff. Beautiful.

You know, she saw the schedule. She helped Jason with his job and stuff that he had to bring home for work. She's taking care of the kids and everything. And they're really, really happy. Everything's great. Then on November 21st, 2006, young Sarah is 11 weeks old. So Mags just had this young girl, I mean, less than three months ago. Less than three months ago.

Oh, 11 weeks. 11 weeks old. She's brand new. Yeah. Apparently it's the middle of the night and she's feeding Sarah when she has a lot. when she has an asthma attack. Max is a known asthmatic. She has a nebulizer.

She has all that kind of thing. But this is a really bad acute attack, which these are dangerous. Comes on fast. Yeah. Mags' sister was there also. Jason came over and, you know, banging on the door.

Oh, my God. We got to help her. What are we could do? And she said she came in. And, you know, her sister was not looking good. She was holding her chest and, you know, saying she can breathe. A severe acute asthma attack here.

So this happened before, and she's using her, inhale her, and it's not working. Oh, boy. Not helping her at all. So Tracy, Jason's sister, said, Mags woke Jason to say that she was feeling weasy, and he sat her up. She started to take her nebulizer, and she started to get progressively worse. We found out later they called him in and told him that she had died in the ambulance on the way to the hospital. She was already dead before they got there? Before they got to the hospital.

She died in the ambulance. Right. So they said it was likely due to an acute cardio-respatory arrest secondary to known bronchospasm, according to the autopsy results here. She's only 31. Jesus. She's 31. Jason's 30. Jack is two years old.

Sarah's 11 weeks old. So these kids will never remember their mother. That's sad. Holy. They'll never remember their mother. and now he is a 30-year-old widow with two brand new babies. Two small children, which is horrifying.

And Jason is just crushed by this, crushed. And it's hard because the kids are too young to have any concept of it. So you can't even use each other as strength or anything like that. You just have to be everything's fine in front of your kids. Otherwise, they're going to freak out. For sure, because the loss of a mother can cause obvious problems. But seeing dad fall apart contributes even more. It's not going to help.

And now you're all they have. You're the son at this point. So you better come up every morning. You know what I mean? Or else shit's going to go bad. So he tried to focus on his kids and provide them with stability. And his family would help him a little bit. he's a single dad and he's working full-time too and so he's got family that'll help watch the

kids they'll someone will bring a food over for him at night something like that to you know try to help him out a little bit here um but it's still just a shock no one expects a 30 year old 31 year old woman with an 11 week old child right and that doesn't have a terminal illness to just drop dead you know what I mean so it's really really bad um and the days are going by fast for james Jason basically. He's got a funeral and he's still got the kids and people calling and making, you know, sure he's okay and all that kind of thing. He was having night terrors. Yikes. I mean, he's having a bad fucking time. And I, I, we have her actual kind of coroner's report from her autopsy. And it said with acute cardio respiratory arrest secondary to the

bronco spasm thing we talked about. They said there is, she was declared deceased at 2 a.m. They said she continued to deteriorate. She took the nebulizer, and it didn't help. And then she collapsed on the way to the hospital. And despite resuscitation, declared dead at 2 a.m. And they said, there was, quote, there was no evidence of any external injuries. Hmm. Very important.

No bruises, no anything, no scratches, just can't breathe. That's it. So they said, that's how that went. This is what From Maggie's sister Or Mag's sister, I'm sorry She said that Basically

Sarah had gotten up to eat And she and Jason Mags and Jason sat up and laughed And talked for a little bit While they were feeding And then they fell back asleep Sarah got settled back down And fell asleep

Quote in the early hours Mags woke Jason to say She was having an asthma attack And decided to take her nebulizer. Soon she realized it was not giving her relief. She knew these chest pains were somehow different. Jason called an ambulance and went to wait Catherine,

who was living with them at the time, while she waited for her new house to be ready. Mags told Catherine she was scared. Instead of waiting for the paramedics, Jason stayed on the phone with them as he drove Mags toward the city to meet an ambulance en route. So he said, I'll fucking take you to the ambulance. I'm coming to you.

Yeah. which is, you know, that's, you want to save her. Catherine later said that she knew something was badly wrong when Mags, who was so image conscious, basically, got into the car in her pajamas. She said, oh, something's really wrong. She said, Mags kept saying in the kitchen, I'm going to die, I'm going to die. Which if you have something where you can't breathe, right, you feel like you're going to die. It's just, that's breathing is something you do without thinking.

So if you have to, if it's labored, you go, oh, my God, I'm going to die. I need to be able to breathe. So it was too late and poor Mags is gone. But yeah, she said she kept saying, I'm going to die, I'm going to die. That's what she felt like. So for the next year and a half after the death, Jason is just relying on family. And he's got to be in a fog. There's no way that man sleeps even close to eight hours a night.

No way. He's not sleep. Not in a row. No, working, got kids. Plus just the absolute fucking sadness. Heartbreak, yeah. Heartbreak, everything, yeah. The complete annihilation of your life and everything that goes on.

And it has to be a lot for him. I can't imagine that. But his family tried to help, which is nice. They would help him with child care. They'd come clean the house. They would just come over and bring dinner. The neighbors helped out. Everybody helped, but they still don't have a mom.

these kids and that's the hard part and the kids are suffering um jack apparently was becoming increasingly reclusive as he's two yeah a two-year-old just yanked their mother away right they don't know what happened that was a boy that's that was all that was all the light in the universe and it just went out so where the hell that had they a two-year-old can't process no they just know mom's here and their mom's not here right they need their mother and they need their parents. So Sarah also at that point would have wouldn't sleep through the nights very well. So I mean, she's very young. I don't know if that can affect a young child like that, but I bet it can. I'm sure. I bet the lack of, it's got it. It's got it. And outside of America, people breastfeed much longer than we do.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? She may have still been breastfeeding. So that's only 11, she's only 11 weeks. Oh, I keep, in my head, I keep sticking with. 11 months. She's 100% still breastfed. Yeah, she's not even three months old. If she's best fed at all, she's still doing it. Oh, that poor thing's life is so changed. It's a lot. And Jason starts to get sad because he, you know, he's having a hard time. And sometimes it's hard for him to be patient the whole time. If you haven't slept in weeks and you're sad and the kids are crying and all that, you can just go, everybody shut up. You can just, you know, lose your mind. And he felt bad. He thought he's failing his kids and he's fucking up.

He's like, it's all on me now to be the mom and the dad, and I'm fucking up. I'm not doing it all so well. So he slogs through it, though, and he realizes that, you know, people can help and relatives can bring dinner over and mom can watch the kids. But it's not going to, it doesn't cover a mother. It doesn't cover the other parent. So he needed somebody that would be around and would give them regular attention, someone they could count on, essentially. So he didn't know what to do. He said, okay, maybe I'll get a nanny.

All right. He said, that'll work. He said it was weird, though, to have a stranger in his house because he wasn't used to that kind of thing. But he said these kids need somebody. So that's what he said. So he's looking for a babysitter and he's trying to figure something out. He hoped that, you know, he could get everybody back on track and on a good pace here. And he knew that that's what Mags would have wanted as well,

is to keep it together and don't just completely fall apart in front of the kids. So he would try to just keep laughter going, everybody said. He tried to make the kids laugh and stuff like that. And he's looking for a nanny. And he said, though, he need to find a qualified applicant, which is difficult, obviously. And he's searching for someone who basically they need security, they need attention, they need affection, these kids. So that's who he's looking for. Anything he could get.

He really thought about it too. He put up an ad saying widowed father, two kids with a picture of him and the two kids. Hi, please help. Essentially, please help me. Things are a mess and I can't fix them. It's hard. There's a picture of us. Picture our home.

Yeah. So he said that he was seeking out traits that his wife had. Calmness and tolerance and being generous. and actually really liking the kids and not just someone who's here for a paycheck, basically. So he's interviewing people, who's getting references, he's talking to the references and all that kind of thing. And he said it was really, really hard to do, though,

just to think about who you're going to leave your kids with all day long. And this is like a live-in nanny situation he's looking for. He's looking for someone who will, like, clean up the house. He's looking to buy a wife, essentially. I mean, yeah. Buy a housewife. you know, like raising kids, a homemaker. Minus the relationship.

Yeah, yeah, basically a homemaker. Like, I'll go work and you keep the home and that kind of deal, but I'll pay you at the end of it. So that's what he's doing here. And the first O'Perry hired is from the Czech Republic. And that was fine. She was okay, but the language barrier made it really hard. And a little aggressive. Yeah, it was mainly the language barrier.

He couldn't really talk to her. a hard time talking to the kids, so it was like hard to really... She sounded mad all the time. And she was, everything she said just had an edge on it. You know, it was weird. Then she got a girl from Spain, and same thing. She didn't really speak good English, and he doesn't speak any Spanish. And if you've heard an Irish accent, you don't want to even hear someone with that accent

attempt Spanish. You absolutely don't. The last thing you wanted someone... Well, English, really? No, English is funny. English is wild with them. Yeah. Now, in addition to the language barrier, neither of these women were looking for a long-term thing. A lot of these women, people, they like to travel, and this is a skill they have, and they want to stay in Ireland for a while, and six months later, they want to go somewhere else.

Or they patch this in between careers that one just ended abruptly. I'll do this for a while until they can find another one. Sure. Well, in Europe, the nanny situation, especially, you know, once there was the EU and all that kind of thing, and you move freely, they didn't mind. They'd just go work. in other countries and they would travel all the time. That's scary. Yeah, he just wanted stability, wanted someone who spoke English and basically was looking for a long-term thing. Wanted to be there for years and speaks English. So that's a tough thing to find.

Finally, in February 2008, he gets an email from a 25-year-old woman from Knoxville named Molly Martins. Okay. Okay. Now, Molly Martins, born in 1984. She's born in Knoxville, Tennessee. Like we said, her parents are Tom Martins, who's born around 1950, which we'll talk a lot about him, and Sharon Martins is her mother. Now, Tom is a career FBI agent.

Waited a while to have kids. He was 34. Yeah, yeah, which is normal. Now that's very normal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In the 80s, that was interesting, right? Yeah, I guess, yeah. Or maybe they, well, she's not the only kid they have, too.

I was just going to say, I'm assuming that, yeah, that's a crazy assignment. So he worked half his career in criminal stuff in the FBI and half in counterintelligence. Oh. So that's a sneaky motherfucker, number one. Anybody in counterintelligence. He's trying to be sneakier than the sneakiest. Exactly. He also has interrogation training and all he's trained others and that sort of thing from what I understand.

That's just what I heard. She has three brothers, Molly. Yeah. So it's three brothers and Molly. Oh, boy. Which is a surprise, yeah. the dynamic there you can see already. So she grows up in Knoxville, like we said.

She had a lot of problems growing up here. Now, her father's a real well-respected FBI agent. The family, you know, they do well financially. Everything's very stable. They have very high standards, this family. And Molly really was close to her dad, which she's the only girl. So she's going to be close to her dad. And dad has seen what this world has to offer.

He's going to protect. her. I would think so. So everybody says that she seeks out praise a lot from her dad. She's always looking for praise from her dad. And she found it hard to live up to expectations. Molly's very pretty. At one point later on, the news broadcasts say she was a model, which I can't really find what she was modeling, but she's trying to be a model at one point.

She's intelligent and things like that, but she is down on herself all the time. Everybody else is better than her, she thinks, and that kind of thing. She's odd. So through high school, she goes, and she ends up enrolling at Clemson University. Nice. She didn't know what she wanted to do yet, but she knew she needed to go to college. But due to some problems, she had academic difficulties. And from what I understand, some social problems, she ended up dropping out before she graduates, Clemson.

So that's tough. She had a hard time picking what she wanted to do. what she wanted to be. Yeah. She's at a hard time, like a lot of people do. Yeah, it's a wild expectation we put on children. Yeah, know what you want to do for the next 50 years when you're 17. Yeah, you know how you don't know shit?

Know it right now. About the world? Yeah. Figure it out real fast and make a plan. Yeah. That's crazy. That is crazy. She tried a bunch of different jobs and tried different professional things and nothing really just fit her. You know what I mean?

She wanted to feel important. She wanted to do stuff like that. Molly just continued to struggle. And her parents kind of prop her up the whole time. They try to really help her out and things like that. And she wanted to do something. And she made a decision. She got applied for and was taken on by a nanny agency.

Yeah. That's how people find those generally. And she found his, Jason's ad, and said, overseas might be good. That would be fun. I can work as a nanny and I can have influence over these kids and do that kind of thing. And I can also, you know, go see Ireland. That sounds fun. Sounds great.

Cool. So they end up going back and forth and he says, all right, come on over. Okay. So she flew to Ireland on March 10, 2008. Now, at Customs, she's initially denied entry. Oh. Because she'd only bought a one-way ticket and didn't have a proper work visa. Yeah, that seems weird.

Yeah, well, it's like you're not, you don't have the paperwork to work. So when the fuck are you going home, essentially? You can't just stay here. When are you getting the fuck out of here? What's up with the one way? But she somehow talked her way into it. I don't know if she bought everybody around or how it works over there. Probably, yeah.

You're not the right paperwork. Well, what's this Guinness say about that? What's in order to me? Looking better all the time. It's looking better, I tell you. Two Guinnesses would be better. It'd be better than one. So that is fucking hilarious.

One of the friends was there, one of Jason's friends, and said, I met Molly the day she arrived in the airport. And this Jason's friend, Lynn, is this person, went with him to the airport to meet her, basically. Come with me so it doesn't just look like me standing here like a weirdo. She didn't like Molly at first. Really? So I met Molly the day she arrived. at the airport, and my first thoughts and the first sentence to my husband were, quote, this is not what Jason needs right now.

Oh, boy. This is bad. She said, the minute I saw her with the big bouncing curls, she was in her 20s, she had a big, bright colored coat, fur collar, cowboy boots, was dressed and makeup done like a pageant queen, as we would say. Oh, he's going to try to fuck her. Yeah. She seemed just not the nanny type.

Right. Which at the same time is, I mean, she can't be attractive and want to hang out with kids too. You know what I mean? Like that's, but no. Not a living situation with a grieving man. Who is blinded by and, you know what I mean? It's going to be so quick for us to be like, well. She's got to look like fucking Marla Hooch from each other own.

You know what I mean? She needs to look like Robin Williams and Mrs. Dalfre. Something like that. Yeah. So the kids love Molly. Yeah. She's great with the kids. Mm-hmm.

She took it seriously. She got to know the kids. She tried to get in with the household. She didn't want to disturb anything. Like, she really knows how to be a guest. Not really a guest because she's living in, but knows how to incorporate herself here. Jack was about four at this point. He didn't really trust people.

He still got it. There's still something there that you're like, oh, there's something losing his mom. Messed him up a little bit. Yeah. And he missed his mother, obviously. Jesus Christ, the four-year-old. Sarah is two. So she's just looking for someone to be.

with any she doesn't care yeah so mollie does her best and she plays with them she plays games she reads them stories and you know tries to do all that kind of shit takes them to the park yeah does everything and after a while the kids know that she's a trusted person that if they're upset they can turn to and she became a real you know consistent presence in their life which is exactly what jason was looking for here and it helped relieve jason's anxieties he knew the kids fine. He knew that they were taking care of. He knew that their emotional needs are being met. So you don't have to freak out at work and feel, you know, all upset and make you have to get home because something bad could be happening. So Molly's just there. And Jason said he could see his

kids transforming. They got happier. They got more secure. Yeah. They got more outgoing. It just changed everything to have this person here. So he was like, wow, this is a godsend, this woman. You know, he said, now it's everything became bearable. everything he had to do became easier. And, you know, he could concentrate on working and doing well there and getting a promotion and all that kind of thing. And Molly dug it too. Okay. She dug the whole house and everything.

The only thing that was hard for her was a completely new culture. Yeah. Ireland and Tennessee could not be more different. They really couldn't. Yeah. It's great here, but this is a lot of fish. There's, there's. couldn't be more different.

It just couldn't be. The people couldn't be more different. The attitudes couldn't be more different. The climate couldn't be more different. I mean, nothing could be more different. It rains 349 days a year in fucking Ireland, man. But it's all green. It's beautiful and green.

And the one day when the clouds open up, everyone goes out and enjoys it. So, you know, they become friends, Jason and Molly. They're hanging out when they sit down and eat a meal together. They're the two adults. Yeah. So what are you going to do? Talk to the four-year-old about everything.

Eventually, the conversation has to go to an adult. And then after the kids would go to bed, then they'd end up hanging out and talking and everything like that. And, you know, he would talk about everything that he's going through and she would listen to him and everything was wonderful. Obviously, they're hooking up. That's what ends up happening. Yeah.

Now, by pretty much all accounts, this started pretty fast, like within the first month. Well, I mean, the hot chick just got off a plane and she's coming to my house. Not to mention, you're sad and you're lonely and you haven't been with a woman in over two years. Yeah. And if this woman's even remotely interested, I'm certainly going to do. And the kids like her and it feels good. I mean, this would be, I don't blame it. You know, it's obviously a thing that could happen here.

Whatever happens after a couple of pints happens. It happens. So there was people that said it happened like the first day, which I'm not sure about that. I can't see that. You know what I mean? I would think he would be a little awkward and he would be more about introducing them to the kids on the first day and getting them together. I don't think you'd be like, so let's have.

What's up with you? Let's talk about it. They likely had some sort of conversation before she, you know what I mean? They probably talked a bit on the phone or the emails or whatever. Sure. So, but, you know, she's charming and she's pretty and she likes the kids. And so he saw this is great. And people around them saw them getting closer.

as well. And what's going on here with these two? And, you know, little shitter-chatters of conversation about what's going on. You know, they little prolonged looks and a little laugh and touch on the arm and that kind of thing. And you can tell when people are kind of, you know, getting closer than being an employee, employer relationship. Yeah. I mean, yeah, any affection that you see and you go, what's going on there?

It's very obvious. Yeah. Yeah. Now, Jason at this point, too, is like he'll gain a lot of weight after this. He's like a thin guy in the beginning, and he gets... She fattens him up. She gets pretty hefty after a while. She's feeding him well.

I don't know if she's feeding him. Someone's feeding him something. Okay. He's, uh, her genetics or some shit, but he's getting, he's getting a bit chubby on the chubby side as this goes here. And, uh, but I mean, yeah, he's settling down, you know? Yeah. So she kind of wanted to be a member of the family, it looked like. and, you know, she would be receptive to criticism about her, you know, role and what she's doing with the kids.

And they said she would put her own needs last and, you know, put the kids ahead of everything and all of that. But eventually they end up being together here. Now, Lynn, the friend, said she was good with the kids. Jason started to smile a bit more. There was definitely something between them. The two of them looked very happy. Jason was always a romantic type He shouldn't have been alone for the rest of his life

And that's the thing People aren't like hey, what's he doing? She's been dead for years Right What do you want this guy to do? Wait till he's till the kids are 20 to fucking go out When he's in his 60s he can find somebody This is crazy

He's supposed to just wander around the rest of his life And say, oh my wife My ex-wife My wife, my wife Yeah That's sad It's too So that's real bad

So I mean And he was concerned about how the children would react to this, and so was Molly. But the fact is, the kids don't really remember mom. So, you know, they just know Molly as the woman that kind of fills in that role at this point. So, you know, it seems to work out. As 2009 progresses, they're getting closer and closer. But Jason has some concerns. He's happy, but he's also concerned, listen, are we moving?

too fast because it's one thing to say this is nanny molly it's another thing to say this is like new mom molly right those are two separate roles so what if the kids get too attached and things don't work out between us yeah they've already uh lost a woman in their life exactly i don't need them losing anybody else so before we get into that you know it's interesting yeah um so they're they're talking there's i have emails here from him saying, now I really wish things could have been different. If we had just dated first,

then you would know beyond a shadow of a doubt that I loved you, just you all by yourself. This employer boss relationship thing is weird. And like you're immediately in the family. It's not just like me and you, and then we bring the kids into it. It started, we reversed it. It's a weird situation.

Things that have been different, and we could have dated and flirted and had frivolous conversation. and nice dinners and drinks and, you know, dress up clothes. I wish we had that normal year where you thought I was beautiful all the time and was never without, never, this is her to him, I'm sorry. It was never without makeup, never saw me sick, never saw me in my grandma nightgown. So she's saying, I wish this could have been, you know, a court of courtship.

Yeah, rather than the first night, you saw me with cold cream all over my face before you. Those fucking under eye strips. Yeah, those things and biore strips. going across, it's 2007 or whatever. I'm trying to think of what she would be using. So she said, but the fact is we just didn't. And although I wish we had that at first, I wouldn't give up what we did have for anything.

Yeah, I'd like to add to the beginning. I'd like to add that onto the beginning. But all in all, if I just got to pick one or the other, I'll pick the what we had because this is reality and isn't reality enough. Shouldn't it be enough that you know me at my best and my worst and that I love you throughout? Maybe we should count ourselves lucky to have taken the crash course on lifetime relationships or lifelong relationships.

Sure, we have a lot to learn. Everyone does, but we've been through what most couples get in a decade, and we've had it all in our first year. Okay. So she's just having a stream of consciousness email that's a pain in the ass to read. Yeah, she's just saying this is the reasons why maybe we're fine. She said, you think we can just go back to dating? have you actually thought about that? Because apparently he brought that up.

You can't just go back in time, especially if it never happened in the first place. It just now pretend we don't know each other and we're dating. You can't leave from the same house and get ready in the same room and act like you just got to the restaurant at the same, you know, pick her up at the door. We're going to roll play? This is weird. Tell you what, I'll pull out of the driveway. I'll go drive around the block and then I'll come and I'll come up to the door

and knock on it and pick you up and I'll open your door for you and shit. What are we talking about here? Just end up at this bar and I'll just call you by a different name. Yeah, she said, I don't expect you to wait. I know what you are expecting out of life, and I know that you feel it's, you feel it's what you want. I truly hope that's what happens. You're right.

It does put pressure on us to sink or swim, and that pressure after, that, that is pressure that after five months, we should not be under. Yeah, it should be the honeymoon phase of the relationship, not even. We should be having fun, getting to know one another, going on dates, not husband and wife. It's what I was trying to say yesterday, um, that as adults, we can work through this. And if it doesn't work, then we reluctantly move on. My concern is for Jack and Sarah, they've had enough tragedy in their short lives. And whilst I know that they are resilient, I'm nervous about putting them through any further. So that's his, this is his response back to her, obviously.

Um, because Americans don't say whilst. So, um, I keep saying if this was a normal relationship, we'd be dating and the kids would not have so much exposure until we were sure we could move forward. So that's what he's saying basically is, you know, that's what I'm concerned about. That's it. He said at one point, he wrote, I'm really scared, Molly. I don't want to lose you, but more so I don't want to risk Jack or Sarah losing another mother if we don't work out. That's what the email says. I mean, that is really fair.

you know and she goes back and says I'm 25 and I know that I want love eventually a husband and a family and I want those things with you but if you don't think you have those things or might

or I might hate you for a while but I'd understand then I'm not going to be strung along until you decide you've reached a decision so now she's saying look shit or get off the pot yeah I'm 25 I'm about to be 70 I'm 25

biological clock is 10 chicken, man. It's crazy. So, but she's saying, which is, she's saying, look, obviously we can't go back and start dating again. Yeah. That's not going to work. We are where we are now. So do we just proceed with it or do we say, fuck it, even though we're happy and everything's going great, we didn't start out the right way so we can't be together because that might hurt. Yeah. She's doing a lot of overthinking. Yeah. They both are, it feels like. Because, I mean, honestly, that's the thing, though. When you get into a relationship when you have these kids,

either you're in it or you're not and either it works out or it doesn't but you can't guarantee a positive outcome for anything yeah it feels though she's like worried about what other people think too about it i don't get that how it how it appears like the the uh optics of it that i'm not getting that i think they're saying that their relationship would be different but yeah either way i think either way they're at where they're at there's no way to yeah it is what it is just either start the relationship we're fucking end this thing. Yeah, they live in the same house so you can't go, okay, yeah, let's pretend we're

dating now. It's just weird. She said the right decision for you really might be to say goodbye. I can't know how or why that would be right, but that's not really for me to decide. I don't want to spend my life with someone who isn't sure about me either.

Okay. So it's shit or get off the pot time. Yeah. Essentially. Now, he says, fine. You know what? We're happy. the kids like you a lot. What am I going to do?

Stop. Because if he stops the whole relationship and everything, he's going to have to fire her, and then he's extracting her from the kids' lives anyway. So it's like you want to, it's just a self-fulfilling prophecy. And is he trying to, like, shield himself from future pain or the kids from future pain when you really can't do that in the world.

It's impossible. If you're going to do that, it's just going to cause pain forever. You're never going to heal. You have to go through it, plow through, and then if shit breaks, pick up the people, pieces afterwards. It's all you can do as a human being, you know? I mean, I'm not a psychiatrist, but I feel like that's all you can do.

You got to try. Fuck, man. Life isn't just, fuck, wait for the perfect moment for everything. Yeah. You're never going to have one. Absolutely. So this is at this point now, it's a beautiful story. A widower found new love, who she loves the kids and she's nice to them.

She's hot. She's hot. She's a beautiful, he's Irish and fun. It's great. It's great. And her resume looked real impressive, too. She told Jason she graduated from Clemson. She also had been vetted and approved as a foster parent, she told him, and had extensive experience with children. Okay. Problem is, we know the Clemson thing isn't true.

That's not true. And neither are the other two things. Oh, for heaven's sake. Why would she do this? She dropped out of Clemson. She was never a foster parent, and the only, quote, experience with children she had was babysitting as a teenager. So, what's the deal? She wants to go to Ireland and be in Annie, so she made a bunch of shit up.

Same way people make up all sorts of shit in their resumes all times. Yeah, because they want something. They want something. And also, this is another thing that we didn't know. When Molly applied for the O'Pair position, she was engaged already. What? When she showed up, she was engaged to another man. What the fuck happened there?

Oh, well, let's find out because we have his... quotes. Let's find out from the ex-fiance. Keith McKinnon is his name. She told me she wanted to go see the Blarney Stone and then she never got back. She said, I'm going to see if Guinness is better over there. I hear they really know how to pour it. Shepherds pie. Yeah. That's how it is. I just want to see sheep. I have a real, a real fucking hankering for mutton right now. So Keith McKinnon the ex-fiancee says, quote, the first time I met her, I was just floored because she was stunning. She is very pretty and blonde. Gorgeous, yeah. To her credit,

she did tell me early that she had bipolar. Oh. She was no longer able to work or anything. She pretty much couldn't keep a job. She couldn't do the nannying stuff anymore. I think we'd been together about a year and we got engaged. She's disabled

by mental health? Yes, that's what he's saying. We don't know. That's his statement, but they were engaged. So, I mean, who knows? He said she had significant mental health struggles. She had migraines, insomnia, spent a lot of time, quote, soaking in the bathtub, or sometimes just crying on the bathroom floor.

Same, she's baby. Wow, I was going to say, if you add a bottle of wine and a joint to that, I'll invite her over and we can all have a fucking, we can all have a good cry, all of us. I mean, welcome to adulthood. This is hard, isn't it? It is. Jesus Christ Might I suggest adding wine to that cocktail?

Have a tall bottle of wine. Oh, man. So he claims that he and her had recently, before she left, been in a psychiatric ward together. Like, inpatient hospitalization. And then out of nowhere, she said she was going to look for nannying jobs in Europe. You have. You couldn't leave the bathroom last week. Yeah, you have breakdowns on the bathroom floor.

When a two-year-old requires your attention, you can't be laid out on the bathroom, cry. No, you can't. So Keith said, she told me, I think initially she was going to be gone for like a week. And then I think it might have been 10 days before I heard anything. I knew she was not in a good mental state whatsoever. I didn't know how safe it was for her to be going over and nannying for somebody's children. We had just been in a psych ward. What the first?

fuck is happening. So I knew she wasn't in a mental state to do it. Yeah, Nurse Ratchet was just medicating us. And now she's trying to take care of babies. We just followed a giant Indian out a window. And now here we are. What are you talking about? This isn't even our boat.

This is crazy. He said, so I knew she wasn't in a mental state to do it. And this is the internet. I mean, you don't know what the hell you're getting from overseas some person. Right. The baby needs a diaper change. Yeah, yeah. I'm in the bath. Yeah.

I'll be out tomorrow. Don't worry about. So 10 days of silence and then he finally gets an email. Uh-huh. The old fiancé Keith here. He says, so she finally emailed and said, sorry for not calling you, but I also don't know if I am ever coming back. I need to move on.

Dear Keith. Dear Keith letter, yeah. Oh, boy. What I found out later was that say hi to everyone at the hospital for me. Yes. Jesus Christ Wow, what I found out later was that not only did I not exist when she went to Ireland, but she and Jason started a relationship very quickly.

So he was like, I'm out, I guess. We were engaged a minute ago. Holy. And by the way, if you need mental help, go to a goddamn psych ward. We're just saying, as soon as you get out, maybe don't apply to be an overseas child care person. Maybe work on your issues first. That's all we're saying. Ireland was accurate to be like, I don't know that you belong here later.

We don't. Yeah, who are you? And she goes, but look, I'm blonde. I'm practically a redhead. Let me in. So Valentine's Day. And if you say my name with an Irish, Molly Martins, it sounds real, Molly Martins. It sounds real Irish if you say it. See, look, when you say it, it sounds Irish as fuck. It sounds Irish as fuck. It's Molly Bartons. Yes. Sounds like I own a pub. Molly Barton's Pub. Come on in. Been here since 1642. We have. Yes, we have. Breath stinking of art. Yeah. Valentine's Day 2010. She's been here for almost two years. They're at a restaurant in Limerick called Freddy's Bistro.

Yeah. And Jason proposes. Wow. It is time to make this for real. And Molly says yes, and she's jacked about it, man. Really? She's excited. She immediately, that night, she is planning her wedding back in the States.

Oh, boy. And near her family in Tennessee. We're coming home for this. Oh, yeah, yeah. It's like, listen, I know you live here and everything, but I got a bunch of Susie's over there that need to be. We're going to make this American legal. Yeah, we're doing this America style here. All right.

So she's planning. Jason's sister Tracy said, they came and said they got engaged and we opened a bottle of champagne and toasted their future. Was he happy? He was happy. Yeah, he was. He was in love. He loved Molly. Yeah.

And she said the sister, when they walked in, because we'll tell you, there's several books that we're quoting from in here and a documentary. And we'll give you the name of everything at the end here. I just don't want to give everything away. So she said Tracy, when they walked in, the next time Tracy saw them after they got engaged, she was holding her hand up, showing the ring. Like, look what I got. Showing everybody. Yeah, hey, look at that. So everybody was all clapping and excited.

And then at the wedding, they get married in 2011, June 4th. That's when, that's when Susie tells Tracy the sister. Oh, yeah, that's such a nice story about she knew Margaret and Margaret died of cancer and asked her to be the mother. And, oh, this is so beautiful. And the sister's like, crazy. What the fuck are you talking about? She died of an asthma attack. There was a check lady in your room before you.

What are you talking about? This is unbelievable. Some lady from the Chequapra. Some lady from Prague was in here. What do you want? So, that's not the only weird Molly lie. No? Why didn't she do that anyway?

I don't know. Molly's got some weird shit. That's what I mean. These are not necessary lies. Yeah. You could, the truth is just as romantic. She didn't even have to say he was the person she was working for. If she wanted to lie, she could have said, I went to Ireland.

I met this wonderful man and we got, fell in law. I haven't got married. He's a winner. He's a winner. He's a winner. How much of a story do you need? Right. Why do you need to create?

Well, it gets weirder, man. She's a member of a book club, apparently, allegedly, here. This is what other people say. We don't know how true it is, but several people said it. Molly was explaining talking about the act of giving birth to Sarah at the book club, talking about what it was like to give birth to her and the day that it happened. And oh, we ran to the hospital and he grabbed my bag. And we...

As if she's the actual mother. The actual came from her, wence from her vagina fucking mother. Shot it out of her crotch. Why does she need that to be true? The fucked up part is there are several people in the room while this is happening that know the whole story. And they're like, why is she saying this? Why is she doing this? And she knows they know.

What in the fuck? That's what I mean. It's like she can't help it. It's fucking crazy. And it goes back further. In college, this is crazy. She kept a framed photo of a young girl by her dorm bed. And when her roommate asked her who that is, she told her, it's my sister who died of cancer.

She doesn't even have a fucking sister, Jimmy. She never did. She has three brothers. She's the only girl. What does she need sympathy for? I don't know. That's what I mean. And the photo came with the fucking frame.

It wasn't even of a person she knew. There's a barcode lady. What are you talking about? You take it off. It says Walmart on the back of the print, man. It's not right. What is she doing? That's crazy.

So anyway, back to the wedding. Now where we know where we are, he's about to marry a lot of lies. This is. Yeah. Jason's family flew over from Ireland. Tracy, the other siblings, friends of his. I mean, this cost a fortune to everybody to come over here. Yeah.

And they said when they arrived, they knew something. was wrong. They said that the Mali in Tennessee was completely different than Ireland, Molly. Why? Totally acting different. This is Sister Tracy said. The person in Ireland was very different to the one that we met in Tennessee. She was just

very controlling. She was angry, I would say. And for someone who, in Tennessee, for someone who was about to get married, she just wasn't herself. Which a wedding could be a lot of stress and makes for some weird. Yeah, but this is beyond that. How so?

This isn't though. That centerpiece has the wrong color flowers. It's not that. What is it? On the day of her wedding, she stayed in bed, curled in a ball for a long time. Yeah. When she was supposed to be like doing stuff. She used the bath.

She wouldn't socialize. She lost her mind having a real Bridezilla TV moment at people because someone had a McDonald's cup there. She lost her mind. Fuck your pictures up. Was yelling at the guests. What? then she either fainted or pretended to faint. But there was a, yeah, she got the vapors.

And her Tennessee came out. She got the vapors and fell over on a fainting chair. Put her forearm on her forehead and everything. Yeah. Back of the hands of the forehead. She just, oh, my goodness. I can't take it. The vapors have overcome me.

I do declare I do declare Jason's best friend told him Don't do this Run He said Fucking walk your ass back down the aisle

Do not say I do Get on it Get the fuck back on a plane And let's go home And tie one on tonight Tracy his sister said Quote I said you're the most

unhappiest married man I've ever seen on his wedding day Because he was just miserable Over this one of his groomsman Paul said, I asked him to just leave her and get on the plane and go home. He said he can't. He said he made a commitment.

And this is mainly a commitment to the kids. You know what I mean? Because that's the thing. My family spent thousands to be here. You all spent thousands. The kids think they're getting a new mom and we told her we're going to be a family now. And then we're going to go, never mind. We're not a family now.

Molly's staying back with you guys. We got to go home. After the wedding, more lies start to come out. What? Yeah. Like the people are talking and both sides are all there, so everyone's kind of comparing notes. When they hear about a couple of lies, they start comparing notes on other lies. Apparently, she had told a lot of her friends she was an Olympic swimmer.

Olympic. Which in 2000, the 2000s, that's balzy. A Google search can't let it. It's so easy to figure that out. Yeah. She's so young. She wasn't. She claimed she was a Montessori teacher, you know, the Montessori schools.

Yeah. She claimed she was a teacher. No, no teaching certificate, never taught there. She claimed to have been a foster parent. She wasn't. She said she had bipolar disorder, which her boyfriend said as well. That's true. Medical records later show she was diagnosed with depression, but there's no bipolar in her medical records.

So she might have made that up, too. What the fuck? She also claimed to Jason that it's so lovely that she's going to have kids now because she's always wanted kids. and she had several miscarriages before we met. And I don't know if I can ever have kids of my own. So this is amazing. No evidence that's true. None of the ex has ever said she was pregnant on her medical records show she ever went in to have anything looked at.

I just don't understand why. That's what I don't get. It doesn't make any sense. Why would you do? Why would you create false realities when for what? I don't get it. And this is what all these people are saying. I mean, like we said, if we're not there, we don't know, but that's what they say.

and that seems weird. Yeah, but if it's true that you're sitting in a circle with a bunch of people who know you and you're making up stories that people know are false. Think about the balls that takes. That's crazy. You could be like a bank robber with that kind of fucking nutsack.

To basically be like with the force of your will. Yeah. Getting them to shut up without even saying anything. Don't say I'm lying. That's crazy. They know that. you're not being honest and nobody called like if i did that to you in public you would be like jimmy what are you doing well i don't know if i do it at the time because we're kind of we're close

so i think maybe you're running game on some of these people that's fine when they left i'd go what's going on here what are you what are you trying to accomplish you know i'll help you let me know so i can help it's always what's your angle Who are we versus? That's the line. Who are we versus? I'd say, hey, who are we versus? What's happening?

I'm in, dude. Let me know. It's just, why would she do that? I don't know. I gave birth to that child. I know for a fact she's got another mom. What are you talking about? What are you talking about?

Last name. Yeah, she's got a fucking Irish accent. What hell are you talking about? She's a two-year-old. Irish accent. What's going on? More strange tales here. And this is when it gets a little bit disturbing.

Okay. This is from young Sarah. Oh. The daughter. This is her in 2024, talking about this time. A nearly 20-year-old girl? This is an adult now talking about this time.

She said, Molly started, this is so fucking fucked up, man. I'm so, this is messed up. Molly started telling me that my dad killed my birth mom when I was six years old. Holy. Dude, that's crazy. Why would you fuck with a child like that?

That's what I mean. She told me my dad was a bad man. Molly also told me that vomiting was okay to keep myself skinny for swimming when I was six. What in the shit? She taught a six-year-old about bulimia. She taught, she instructed her out. This is a great way to stay skinny for swimming. You're going to love it.

What? What? alienating the relationship between her father and then giving her an eating disorder. Not only that, she said she also told her that shoplifting was okay. I mean, sometimes. What the fuck, though? That's great. You can't teach a six-year-old.

No, you can't show her how to do that. Jesus, Craig. Fucking curly suit. Let me teach you some tricks. You don't have to actually pay for things, and you can eat anything you want and not get fat. Let me show you some stuff. Like, you can't do this. Sometimes you just put things in your pockets.

It's great. So, this Sarah said, so I believe that Molly had a very troubling relationship with the truth, which is an extremely nice way to put that. Sarah's a classy young lady. Yeah. She is. I mean, hear her talk.

She's like, they're both smart, sharp, classy, brave kids. Like, they're, it shows that. So, man. If it fits in your pocket, it's free. It's free. It's free. Yay. Comes out of your mouth.

It's no calories. Oh. So there's a lot of tension coming up between Molly really wants to, she wants to be these kids' mom. And she starts bringing up adoption. I would like to adopt the kids. I would like to adopt the kids, which is nice. She's got a dead mom.

They have dead mom and they're married. So I'd like to adopt a kid. That can be a nice thing. You know what I mean? But the fact, all the weird shit she's doing makes it not exactly. Yeah, but the thing is like mom's deceased. So to make these children your children, all you have to do is be involved and marry that man. Legally, you're their stepmom.

Mom is attached to that. Exactly, but she wants them to be her kids. She wants to be mother. And it's crazy. And it grew a lot stronger. She kept saying she wanted to adopt them. But that legal recognition would solidify her place in the family and give her the authority she felt she needed as a parent. Meanwhile, the kids know she's an authority.

She's the only mom they really can remember. That's my point with the deceased part. It's like she's not going to, she's not going to object to this. No, I guess other people said that this was a way for her to stop feeling like an outsider among this family and feel like they were an actual family. Yeah, your stepmother and all that kind of thing. And there's some interesting shit they do. And they're still living in Ireland at this point.

They got married and went back to Ireland. Oh. Jack says that Molly started, he took the pictures that they, they had. had of their mom on their nightstands, she took those away and got rid of them. That's the only, they don't remember what their mom looks like. That's the only way that they can remember their mom is this picture. She took them and destroyed them. Don't know if she destroyed them, but they weren't on the nightstand anymore and they're not around.

They said also she would dote on Sarah. She would spend all of her energy and time on Sarah, but Jack said he never felt like she was really into him and Jack was more close to his dad. and she would get angry at Jack for liking his dad basically. What is that about? Jack said one time he was leaving going to work or on a trip or something

and he went out in the driveway and said, I love you and when he came back in, Molly tore his room apart. For saying I love you. Knocked his dresser over, threw his clothes all on the floor, freaked out for saying he loved his dad. Okay.

Which is crazy. Sarah also says that at one point She was in the car with, this is later on, she was in the car with Molly. And she asked to play T-ball. She said, hey, can I play T-ball since Dad is the coach of the T-ball team? I could just drive with him and he could just take me. So it's not an inconvenience and I can just play T-ball. And Sarah said that Molly replied, don't you want to spend time with me?

Why do you want to hurt my feelings? What do you need to go hang out with your father for? You know, hang out with me. I'd rather see you and all this shit. This is this fucking five-year-old that wants to play T-ball. Let her go run around in a field. She doesn't need to sit with you. You can't, dude, you can't put your feelings on kids.

You can't do that at all. You can't. That's the most unhealthy shit in the world. Allowing them to just be a kid is the most important thing. Yeah, they're not supposed to worry about adults' feelings at that point. No, they shouldn't even know you have them. Exactly. That's the point.

I mean, they should know not to be assholes and shit hands, but wanting to play T-ball and see your dad a little bit is not being an asshole or shit at. It's being a kid who wants to go play tee ball, run around. A six-year-old should never see you fall apart. No, they should never see it. It's hard. So 2011, coming to America, here we go. Let's do it.

Jason gets a job transfer, and he works at multi-packaging solutions as the company. They've got an American-based product. They have a plant in Winston-Salem, North Carolina. That's the closest thing to Molly's family that they can do. And that's a four-hour drive from Knoxville. Not bad. Not bad at all.

He takes the transfer. They do it also. Molly had been complaining of being homesick and couldn't settle in to Limricch and just wasn't her thing. So they go there and the kids said, by the way, right away, they were like, it was crazy. What the fuck? It was a mansion with a huge yard. North Carolina suburban estates are way different than these. Irish ones that were built 400 years ago at a sod.

In the city? Yeah. Yeah. So they end up, the first, they're in Lexington for a minute, I think, while they're looking for a place. And then they end up buying a place in Walberg in the Meadowlands Golf Community. Sounds great. It's a five-bedroom, 3,400 square foot house.

I won't give the address. We don't need that. It was in the Meadowlands Golf Community, which is a gated subdivision. All the houses are beautiful. and everything's great. Jason paid for most of it. Molly gets a part-time job as a swim instructor, but still spends most of her time with the kids.

They're still young. I mean, yeah. Don't worry. When you got an Olympic swimmer coaching, there's going to be kids around the block. Plus, it's got to warrant a big fee for that, too, I would think, right? So by 2011, though, things are already starting to get tense here.

Oh? Already getting very tense. This is Jason. emailing. They communicate via email quite a bit for a married couple. That's very strange, very formal. Dear sir. I've never emailed anybody I was. To whom it may concern. Yeah.

No, never. He says, is there anything I can do to make you happy? I've done everything and you still hate yourself, hit yourself, cry in the shower, vomit. At least she's moved from the floor to the shower for the crying. That's positive. Hit herself? Hit herself, cry in the shower, vomit, curse, shout at me. I feel so inadequate, malls. I've given you everything in my life, including my kids and my heart.

And I know you love us so much, but you still, in the last three days, only have done all the above things. Even vacation, Jason, isn't enough anymore. I don't know what to do. In three days, she did all of that? All of that. For four three days, it sounds like. Oh, boy. So that's what he claims.

Yeah, he says that I'm really scared. I don't want to lose you, but more. So I don't want to risk Jack and Sarah losing another mother if we don't work out. This may never happen, but I really want to be sure that I can give you all that you want. So, you know, blah, blah, blah. So, you know, he's saying, I don't know what to do here. She comes back with an email that says, really? exclamation point, that is what you think?

I feel like no matter what, you think I do something wrong. I feel like a messa, I mess up everything. And then when something is amazingly wonderful, I found out that what you remember is what I messed up or couldn't do. It's not a very good feeling. And we had talked about the painting on our own several times, deciding to have our room and other downstairs painted professionally. Then magically, you act as though those conversations never took place in front of my mother.

Okay. Now, through all this, she's still pushing for adoption. She really wants adoption, and that became a primary source of their conflict, is the adoption. She would raise it during moments of stress, during arguments, whenever anything would come up, that was the soft underbelly to go for. You won't even let me adopt the kids. She thought her efforts weren't being fully acknowledged, and she would accuse him of not trusting her. and he felt misunderstood and he felt like he had a lot of pressure on him. Yeah.

Remember when you punched yourself? Remember that shit? I can't tell a fucking adoption agency you punch yourself. Yeah. Why to them? So the children are caught in the middle and obviously that that's tense for them and having a hard time. Jason still talks to his family all the time and they noticed that he's just different. Yeah.

Changes in his demeanor at stress. Sure. During phone calls and visits, he would see more with. withdrawn and less relaxed. He told several of his relatives, like especially his brothers and sister, about arguments with Molly and his concerns about her behavior. And he kept hearing more and more about it from the kids about what Molly does.

And he's like, holy shit. Now, she says, though, he kept promising he would do the adoption while arranged it, I'll arrange it, and then he wouldn't do it. There's probably little events where he's like,

well, I can't do it now. You just broke down. We don't know if he actually said that. Or if he did, maybe he was, I don't know what he was trying to do. Like, maybe that would make her happy and then she would stop doing that stuff. Or I'm not sure exactly. Maybe there's an OSHA clock in his head where he's like there's a mental breakdown. Yeah.

You know what I mean? There was just a mental breakdown three days ago. We can't adopt. It's only been three days since our last shower cry. You can't have that. It's only been 12 hours since the last time you left crossed yourself. Yeah. And I guess Molly started to think that this is never going to happen.

You're never going to let me adopt these kids. His sister Tracy said he didn't want to take the only mother they'd ever known away from them, but he wouldn't allow her to adopt them because of what she had said about Mags and because of her erratic behavior. Because he found out about all these lies and he's like, oh, that's not good. She waited until just before the wedding and then all these stories came out. So when we spoke, he said he just couldn't. How could he go ahead and allow Molly to adopt the children when he had all these issues of trust with her? her. Either way, the children

called Molly Mom. Always. She raised them since they were toddlers, but, you know, all of that. Now, in Jason's will, after Magza died, he made a will. And in his will, he names his sister Tracy and her husband

as the legal guardians of Jack and Sarah in case he dies. And he did that before he ever met, Molly. Yeah, and that's what you would do anyway, right? I would think, but even after marrying Molly, he never changes it. He always keeps them as the beneficiary. So at that point, legally, if Jason got in a car accident, the kids go back to Ireland. They get pulled right out of Molly's hands here. Now, he talks to a

lawyer about this. He emails a lawyer. And he said, I've been married to Molly for just over a year now, and we live in Forsyth County. We've lived here for over a year. Is it possible to structure this that if I ever get a divorce, not planning to, in parentheses, that the right to keep the children is with me over Molly. So he's saying, once they're adopted, is it now just she's mom and I'm dad and we go to court like that? Or in court, well, they parse out, you're not the real mom and you're the real dad and I get them. And, you know, he said, what would you need for me if we proceeded? And the lawyer said, this is something to consider if they, if she adopts that child, it is, she has just as much rights as you do.

So basically, if you get a divorce, she could get full custody of your kids. Oh, boy. From you. Imagine that. That is crazy. That's fucked up. That's fucking weird. That's real weird.

She also would withdraw, become emotional all the time during this time. And, you know, he's struggling trying to keep the kids happy and keep her happy and everything. It's weird that none of this happened in Ireland. What is it about Tennessee where all these things come out? Where in Ireland she could hold it together for a lot longer. Well, it's a foreign country and she probably feels much more comfortable. Yeah, but you'd think like after a couple years of being there, all this shit would come out. But it really doesn't.

Nothing happens until they get married. As soon as she steps foot on Tennessee soil, she is a different person. Well, you act a fool in a foreign country. They don't treat you the same. That's true. They'd be like, what's wrong with this American? especially if you're American in other places. You're trying not to be an asshole anyway.

You know, you were a kid and you'd go over to your mom's friend's house and she'd be like, don't make me look like a fucking asshole in here. Don't you make a scene in here. You make fucking be good. Don't mess anything up. Don't break anything. That's what she's doing in Ireland. And then she gets home and she's like, I get some break shit now.

Yeah. My mom and my dad take put up with all my shit maybe. I don't know. So the tension is not limited to adoption. They also disagree about how to discipline the kid, the kids, the kids are teens, the children's relationship with the family and Ireland. Jason wanted them to maintain strong ties to all the relatives in Ireland, but Molly wasn't real excited about Jason's family having any influence over these kids.

She would express concerns about his family's involvement with the kids and their intentions and all that kind of thing. So now he's like, Jesus Christ, not even my family. Like, I'm getting pulled in 18 different directions here. Summer 2015, the unhappily ever afterlife here. Poor guy. He's unhappy. Marriage is not working out. He missed home.

He misses Ireland. He missed his friends and relatives and family. And he starts making plans to get the fuck out of here and go home without Molly. Take the kids and go. Really? Get back to Ireland. Divorce. Divorce.

And his family in Ireland is concerned about him. They encouraged him to seek help, try to think about everything that's going on. They suggest it maybe counseling or. or something like that for you too. And some professional support could help this. They wanted to work out. A text between him and his brother, they say, so how are you getting on?

And Jason says, some days like it here, others can't wait to get out of here. Work is good. Work is good. Kids are great. Mals is still crazy. That's his answer. Rough.

It's always the smoke shows, man. It's always, yeah, yeah, it's a problem. So Tracy, Jason's sister, said Jason started talking about moving home. He wasn't happy. A lot of it was coming down to the relationship with Molly. She was acting strange. There were things occurring that he wasn't comfortable with and he missed Ireland and wanted to move back. But he knew and said there would be huge difficulty in him coming back once Molly found out.

This has to be a secret. So according to Tracy and at the end of, July, beginning of August 2015, Jason was weeks, if not days away from getting back. He'd been figuring out how to transfer financial assets

to a bank in Ireland. He'd been looking at flights. Oh, boy. Getting serious. And Molly would, she knew. She figured it out. I mean, she's not stupid. She's a smart girl. She knows. Smart lady. And so

and she said, basically, basically that if they leave, then she's never going to see these kids again. She knows that. And to her, she has said, these are my kids now. That's it. Put an ocean between me and my kids. Yeah, exactly. So Jason's friend Lynn, who was at the airport when they picked her up, said, I think Jason became surplus to her requirements.

She didn't need him anymore. She just wanted the children. Oh. And it sounds like from everything the kids say, it sounds like she just wanted Sarah is what she wanted. Jack, she could take her leave, Jack. So she'd been preparing for years. She consulted with an attorney about her custody rights and what they would be in the event of a divorce. And they said, oh, they would be zero.

Nothing. You're their stepmother. You have nothing. What custody are you going to get? What are you talking about? Yeah, it doesn't matter how long there's no legal rights there, even though you've raised them since they were kids, which is tough. That's tough. That is tough.

You're going to miss them. Yeah. You've raised these people, these kids since they were so little. That's hard, man. It's really hard. then she starts making recordings. Oh. During this time.

Over her own? Yeah, she gets these little recording devices that stick under tables and shit. These little sticky recording devices. Like an air tag, but. Yeah, you can get them from like Radio Shack and Best, but just a little, just a little MP3 guy that's internal recorder. With a dad and counterintelligence, I wonder who would have thought to recording devices all over the house. Yeah. And there's a lot of these recordings. And the timing of them makes them a little suspicious as far as it's,

she knows that she's being recorded and he doesn't. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So it's that. So you can tell in a lot of these it seems like she's trying to have an outcome happen. And later on, these recordings will make recordings make Jason look really, really bad. but when you hear them, he is very calmly.

He sounds like a guy who's put up with, who's had a lot of frustration with this, and he's calmly without, he's trying not to be angry while he's fighting with her, essentially. This is from this recording. And some of this shit that they, it's not real nice either, which, I mean, they're about to get a divorce,

so I wouldn't expect it to be, but some of these recordings. Yeah, it should be very cheery. He's not real nice either. So, one of these he says quote are you finished with your dinner hun I'm talking to you is this how you treat us

you just ignore me I said I'd like to have dinner with my family I'm talking to you I shouldn't have to say it over and over again and Molly just says can you guys get out the stuff for pancakes and he says see there you go again I'm talking to you you're still going on about something else and he hears Sarah yell off in the background stop fighting

he sounds very frustrated he sounds frustrated but it's not like, it's not like, listen, bitch, you better, it's none of that shit,

but it's, you can tell he is very frustrated with her. And this is shit that's not, it's not new. No. And so when you're making a, the problem is if this, if neither party knew they were being recorded,

you take whatever's on that recording with, that's, there it is, lay it out and that's what it is. When one person knows they're being recorded and the other doesn't, it's different. You can't do that.

Then you have Amber Hurd situation. Right. where she's like, Johnny, why are you doing cocaine? No, you shouldn't do drugs. Oh, now you're going to drink seven bottles of wine. What are you talking about? You were doing lines with me last night. Hockerman.

You can't have that. It's not the same. You know what I mean? So. I'm the worst of a vector of it. So Lynn, his friend said she was playing the long game. Yeah. She was telling people that he had been abusive.

she had her recordings, she would have a case to go to get the children from him. That's what the friends are saying. And she's making a performative too to where she just puts this recording in. He asks the question that she just ignores him and she knows it's going to get a rise out of him. And all it is is him all over that tape because she's just ignoring him. Exactly. That's exactly what it is. And we don't know when she could turn him on.

Right. We have no idea. And I'm not taking anyone's side here. are because we don't know. All I'm saying is those are just facts. Unless both people don't know they're recording, don't know they're being recorded, you can't take a recording seriously. That's like

an FBI informant trying to get somebody on the phone to tell him, yeah, bring over 20 kilos. You know what I mean? This guy is going to be fucking steering the conversation. If it's a wiretapping, nobody in the room knows it's being recorded. That's a different story. Then you get John Gotti and his lieutenant's

openly talking about shit. That's called entrapment and that's what she's doing. Rather than one of them going, so that guy we killed yesterday, he's buried, right? You know, so late July 2015, now we're getting down into increments here. July 30th, Molly fills a prescription of tracidone, which is most, some people say it's an antidepressant, but I always knew it as a sedative, like a sleeping aid. It's what they give our dog. It sounds like a trinkalizer. Right.

My dog, Frankie, is a big dog, Doe, Argentino. And when people come over, she gets real, like a lot of people, we have like a Christmas party. She gets real crazy and starts, you know, barking at people sometimes. It gets too excited. So we have to give her trazidone and then she goes to sleep. Well, don't alone. That gives us those. Yeah, just the word don at the end, it's a downer.

Like, that's the idea is that it's a tranquilizing element of the drug. All the words in a drug mean something. They mean, for the most part. Yeah. Sometimes. Sometimes they're not. Sometimes they just don't mean. anything, drugs, names. Sometimes they're just completely

made up. I don't mean like aspirin. I mean like the, a clinical word like that, they take pieces of the word and they all mean it. Sometimes. Yeah, yeah, sometimes. Sometimes they literally just pull names out of their asses for medicine. What? What? It just sounds like they're good. Doxidil or some shit? Yeah, it means nothing.

Things like that. What? You could just make it up. It doesn't mean anything. They do that sometimes. Yeah. That's crazy. That's bizarre. And then the trade names for them are even crazier. They don't, you know, you know, it's a Apicil. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Paxil. The name, like, like, like, they're Like that, yeah.

Lampicill has nothing to do with your fucking pimples or whatever. Oh, look, it's joybiprofen. Excellent. That's, I need that. That's perfect. And that's actually a diuretic. It actually, yeah, it's not even, it's not for your head. It's not to make it up here.

Just makes you pee. So late July 2015, also around this time, Jason visits his doctor and mentions that he's been feeling kind of dizzy now and then, a little bit slug. And he's up to like 260 pounds at this point. He's not a tall guy. So that'll do that. And he says also that he's been feeling angry for no reason at certain times. And this is in his doctors, in the medical records of him saying angry for no reason at times.

I get agitated. He gets agitated. I don't know why. Then there's also from around this time, here is a friend of theirs who said in July, they had come across Jason and Molly at a party. and they say, quote, Jason and Molly were at a party, a party, and she was belittling him, calling him a fat ass,

saying he must have taken all the nutrition from his twin because he looked like he'd eaten for two. Oh my God. Like in front of people, she's saying that. What? That's brutal. That's people, just regular people at the party that saw it again. You know who else did shit like that?

Phil Hartman's wife. Yeah, exactly. So, now, according to sister Tracy Jason during this time is looking for flights and that's that'll make it that's a lot of stress marriage falling apart I'm going to run away to Ireland with my kids

and that's going to be a big problem now with her I have to fight it's going to be a lot Saturday August 1st 2015 Tom and Sharon Martins Molly's parents they drive from Knoxville to North Carolina for a visit now Tom cancelled

plans he had at the last minute to make this trip he had plans with his boss as a matter of fact. Oh. And canceled them to make this trip. In town? In Knoxville, yeah. He brings with him two gifts for the children.

A tennis racket for Sarah and an aluminum Louisville slugger baseball bat for Jack. So sporting goods, you bring the kids. They don't arrive until about 8.30 at night. They arrive. Jack is gone, the young boy. He's at a friend's party and doesn't get home until about 11 p. because it's late, Tom says he decided to wait until morning to give him the bat. So Tom kept the bat down with them in the downstairs room.

Now, everybody goes to bed. Tom and Sharon are in the basement in the guest room. That's where the guest room is. Jason and Molly are on the master bedroom on the first floor. Jack and Sarah are upstairs on the second floor. Okay, so it's set up like that. Everyone's on different floors. Sick.

Now, a little before three, it's a nice house. It's beautiful. Fuck, yeah. According to Molly here, Sarah comes into the master bedroom after having a nightmare. And this is what Jack said too. Had a nightmare about the on her bed. She has sheets that have like little fairies and like little lizards and stuff on them. And she had a nightmare about the fairies and spiders and lizards on her bed sheet coming alive and taking her or something.

Yeah. How'd you get into my fucking mushrooms? Yeah. What's up with that? So Molly takes Sarah back to her room, settles her in, and then returns to the master bedroom, and Molly says that Jason's awake and really pissed off about being woken up. Real mad. I mean, furious, and an argument starts. That's what she claims.

Then at 302 a.m., there's a 911 call from the house. Oh. Okay. This is what's the address of your emergency. Tom is the one making the call. Molly's dad. He says, my name is Tom Martins. I'm at 160 Panther Creek Court, and we need help.

They said, what's going on there? And he says, my daughter's husband, my son-in-law, got in a fight with my daughter. I intervened, and I think he's in bad shape. We need help. Oh. So the dispatcher says, what do you mean he's in bad shape? And Tom says, he's hurt.

He's bleeding all over. And I may have killed him. This point, the dispatcher says, What's your name? Yeah. The person who just admitted to murder. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can we tell me your name?

He says, my name's Tom Martins. The dispatcher says, was he drinking? Which is a very odd question to ask at this point. Is it? I would say, have you been drinking? Yeah. You're the one who just killed a guy. Have you been drinking?

Maybe he's just on the page where it's like all information about the deceased, yeah, about the person that he'd help. The injured party. And Tom says, yes, he had been drinking during the course of the day. They said, is he conscious at all? And Tom says, no. Is he breathing? Tom says, I can't tell.

The dispatcher says, all right, so we're going to start CPR, all right? I need you to make sure that his mouth and nose are clear. Tom says, it's a mess. When you hear about his injuries, yeah, there's no way to do anything like that. Oh. It's crazy. The dispatcher says, I'll set a pace for you, one, two, three, four. Tom says I'm certified.

I just can't think. He said, I know how to do it. I don't do this. Yeah. Dispatcher said, okay, you have to stay calm. Let the training take over. One, two, three, four. He, I can't explain to you how calm Tom is over the course of this call.

Yeah? He acts like he, if you're ordering a pizza, you'd have more like, do we want pepperoni or something? I get so flustered with that. None of that. Yeah. He has not. He's like literally, my name is Tom Martins. Like he is as calm and cool and collected as a human being can be on the phone.

Wow. Which is interesting. Multiple investigators later commented on how creepy it was that he was this calm. Right. One journalist said, quote, literally the hair would stand on the back of your neck. It's quite chilling to hear how calm he was talking to this dispatcher. So, yeah, the dispatcher is Karen Black Caps is her name. And she gets this and he's calm as can be.

And, wow. So when the paramedics arrive at the house, they were shocked because there is fucking blood everywhere in this master bedroom. I mean, it looks like a person exploded in there. It doesn't look like... Leaked all over the place. All over the walls. And they said the... the person, the victim, Jason, was basically his head was unrecognizable as a person.

Whoa. Like a shotgun blast. Brutely bludgeoned. Huh. So they also notice that when they get there, they go, he's cold to the touch. Yeah. And the one EMT says to the other, how long ago did they say this happened? Yeah.

Supposedly it happened just now. 15 minutes ago. Yeah. And he's cold already. Which ain't the way that works. So that's interesting. The police are called to the scene, obviously. Molly said the children woke up in the middle of the night.

One of them had a nightmare. She said, I went up and got her. Went to the room right away, calmed him down, put Jack and Sarah back to bed. Took a couple of minutes. They went back to sleep. After that, you know, I went back to the bedroom. I shared with my husband and Jason was agitated and he jumped on top of her. Oh.

And she said, well, he does work long hours, and it seemed like he's under a lot of pressure lately, but she said he put his hands around her neck and started choking her. What kind of dream was he having? No shit. And she says she shows in the interrogation, the video of it where she says he puts his hand here. So she puts her hand around her neck and says that's how he started it. And that's what was going on. And so she said, however, she managed to scream.

when he loosened up his grip a little bit. Okay. And she said her father, Tom, sleeping in the basement, heard it. Sleep and through the floor, heard it. Yeah, sleep through the floor. And he'll say in his interrogation, I heard, like, loud banging above me in the ceiling. Like, something was really going bad up there. So he ran upstairs, but first grabbed Jack's new baseball back.

Yeah. Yeah. Brought that upstairs. Snatched that up and took that with him. Yep. He's obviously a trained FBI agent, like we said. He says he walks in and sees his daughter being choked. Yeah.

He said that she was choking. Jason was choking Molly with his hands. And when he walked in and said, let her go, Jason switched his grip to the, like, chinlock grip where her back is to his chest. Like someone would do in a hostage situation and go, you know, and hold the back. tank teller in front of them as the police. Human shield. Yeah.

Fucking snipers on her. Yeah. Same shit. So she said, he said he's choking her like that. And so he says he dives in there and fucking, okay, he died. 60-something years old. Yeah. He said he wanted, he said this.

This is what Molly said. He wanted to shut me up so he covered my mouth and started choking me. But at some point when he stopped, I screamed. Next thing in, I remember my dad. standing in the hallway or doorway, saying, you know, stop it. Stop it. So he says that then he switched the grip to the chinlock and started dragging her toward the master bathroom.

If he was going to go, Jason was going to take her in there. Yeah, I'm going to drown her back here. So Tom said at that point, it's time to start going. He said, I... Fight a flight, babe, yeah. And he said, you know, it's all blurry, but he said he must have hit him with the bat. He hit him with the bat, and he said at some point, Jason grabbed the bat and pulled it away from him. and then Jason had the bat.

Oh, no. So they said, oh, boy, that must have been scary. Jason has the bat. And they go, how did you end up getting the bat back that? If a 30-something-year-old man who's 100 pounds heavier than you as a baseball bat, how the fuck are you getting it back? He said, I don't know, Molly must have distracted him or something. I was scrambling.

That's what he says. So so distracted, he drops a baseball bat? What is he? like a bear that you put a honey thing in front of and he went, oh, I don't know what's going on. She had a zagnot. Bugs Bunny floating toward a pie. What are we doing here?

So that's a little bit ridiculous. But apparently, and then he said he started working him over with the bat again after that and he just kept hitting until he stopped moving. And. Okay. Stop trying to come at him. Once he went down, he said that was that, basically. Not until he stopped moving, but once he went down.

Now, Molly's story is, that's exactly. exactly what happened. He was choking me. He switched to a chin lock. My dad hit him with the bat. He got a hold of the bat. Jason did. Yeah. So I grabbed a nine pound brick that was sitting on my nightstand. Great idea. I never even thought about that. Yeah. Great home. Yeah. Bashed him in the head with it. Great home defense. Yeah. I hit him in the head. He dropped the bat. And then my dad. picked up the bat and finished it off. That's the story that they had, essentially. Fascinating.

And so, yeah, Jason's very dead. Jason's family hears about this and says, bullshit. That's impossible. You look into that fucking Molly because this is Molly's fucking fault. Jason was planning on moving home. He was planning on divorcing her. She was not going to be able to stay in this big house anymore.

She's not going to have the kids anymore. This is bullshit. And her father's an FBI agent, too. So he knows how to get away with shit. Okay. And like I said, the first responders were horrified. Blood on the walls of the hallway. Yeah.

Blood soaking the carpet of the bedroom. A lamp knocked over. Louisville Slugger baseball bat with blood stains and a concrete paving brick in the middle of the floor. A paver. It's a big fat brick with hair and blood all over. That's a three inch thick brick. It's a big one. It's nine pounds.

Yeah. And so a gallon of milk is seven pounds. Right. That's a heavy-ass brick. No, imagine that being real hard and hitting something in the head with it. And then just at full speed motion towards your head. That'll crush it.

That'll crush it. He is lying on the floor naked when they get there too. Oh, he sleeps naked or what? His skull is completely destroyed. Of course. I mean, this isn't, I hit him a couple times. He went down. When one first responder tried to lift his head,

his fingers went through the skull and touched his brain. Oh, no. That's a fact. That's how badly this poor man was beaten. There's no skull. It's horrifying. It's horrifying. And so bad that when one of the EMS workers went outside to get a breath of fresh air,

he told the paramedic person, the other, the whatever, the guy in charge, the commanding officer of that unit, he walked out and he said, it's bad. Don't look. When they tell each other it's bad, it's fucking bad. You know what I mean? That's when it's real bad. They see everything. They don't give a shit. The one said there was blood on the wall.

there's blood on that wall there's blood on this wall. There's blood in the hallway? Yeah, because I don't know if they walked out. I don't know. They said blood covered not only the walls, but both sides of the door to the bedroom, the hallway and the walls in the bathroom.

There's fucking blood everywhere. Both sides of the door. Blood was also on the baseball bat and the paving brick. Obviously not good. Corporal Clay Dagenhart was the first police officer on the scene, and he said, immediately he noted,

the blood had started to dry already. Oh, this happened a while ago. He said it was congealed. He described it as being like jello or jelly. That's old. Old blood, yeah. That's post- Thanksgiving weird turkey stuff that's on there, that turkey gelatin. It's the bottom of the drip pan.

Yeah. They reported that he's cold to the touch as well, blood already congealing. And yeah, they were like, how long ago did this happen? Now, they have the Louisville Slugger baseball bat, nine-pound concrete. paving brick. They said, why did you have a nine-pound concrete paving brick on your nightstand? That's wild. That's an odd thing to keep. That's a weird paperweight is all we're saying. Or home defense. Either way. It's a very strange thing to have inside the house. It is. Well, she said that it was a craft

project and her and the kids were going to paint flowers on them to put around the mailbox. Oh, so we just leave it on the nightstand. She brought it inside earlier that evening because it was supposed to rain. Oh, so a paving brick can't get wet. It'll just crumble. They shrink, James. Yeah, it's the shrinking dinks. That's how it works. So they're like, that's interesting. They'll never absorb pain again.

Yeah, she says, oh, okay. They said, well, why was it on the nightstand and not like in the garage or near the painting supplies or, you know, kitchen counter, wherever, junk drawer, something like that. In the front yard. on your nightstand. That's odd. And the bat is the same bat your father brought over that. He brought the murder weapon to the house, essentially.

He brought the death weapon, the death instrument to the house. He brought the self-defense weapon to the house. Whatever you want to call it legally, that's what he brought to the house. So that's strange. Then the police notice, and you can see this in her interrogation video. She did it at the scene, but she does it a few more times in the video, because I kept saying, look at her,

look at her, look at her doing that. She keeps rubbing her neck vigorously at this scene, really rubbing it good. Now that could be, oh, I'm trying to make it feel better,

but it's not like the holding it. She's like rubbing it, like they think trying to make a mark is what they think. What the hell? She was worn twice by two different officers to stop fucking doing that.

Touching yourself. And when they bring her all in, by the way, and they take pictures of these two, uh, Number one, the only mark she has on her is behind her ear a minuscule, minuscule, tiny scratch behind her ear, which, by the way, if I was being beaten a death with a baseball bat, I might reach for shit. You know how scratch somebody, yeah.

When they dig a lady up out of somebody's ground, they go under their fingernails for DNA because they would fight back. She's trying to say that means he was attacking her rather than he was. trying to defend himself. Yeah. So it's a lot here. So she keeps doing that in the interrogation. When they take the pictures, there is no, I mean, there is nothing on her neck besides that. Not a mark, not a bruise, not a redness, not abrasion, not scratching.

They show him clean as a fucking whistle. Dad? Absolutely. Number one, there's no blood around his face, so he definitely didn't do CPR, in my opinion. From what it looks like to me, I don't know. know the facts of the matter, but didn't look like it from the fucking pictures. It's weird. So the pictures of them do not look like two people who are in a fight for their life at all.

There is literally not a mark on either of them except a tiny, tiny scratch behind her ear. It's crazy. He said another thing he tells them is he's like, look, he was drinking all day. He got wild in there and he was getting wild in the room and he's going to kill my daughter. and all this type of shit. And he said also, I think he killed his first wife in Ireland. Oh. He said, I know this because the kids, Mags' parents came over to see the kids.

Uh-huh. This is Mikey Fitzpatrick is the dad. Okay. And he explains that, you know, he's not an educated man, Mikey, and he's got a thick Irish accent. And he's hard. Basically made him sound like he's a fucking leprechaun troll who came over here. He's Shrek. He's a big dumb, dumb.

Yeah, yeah. So he said he came over and he said, what do you think about Jason? Do you like Jason? Is what Tom asked Mikey. And Mikey said, he said, I don't know, have the accent and all. But he said, no, he fucking killed my daughter. Oh. So he said he killed that.

So this is his second wife he was going to try to kill. Yeah. Now, his story changes a little bit, too. His narrative changes a bit, Tom's. It featured Jason catching the baseball bat mid-swing and dragging Molly toward the bathroom while being beaten, wrestling the bat away, pushing Tom to the ground, and then somehow losing the bat again. In Tom's story, Jason grabbed the bat away from him and is now a 260-pound man in a bedroom

with an aluminum baseball bat and has shoved a 65-year-old man to the floor. Somehow that 65-year-old man ends up with the baseball bat back again, and that's from the brick. A naked man. A naked man. That's a giant fat naked man. Let me a goddamn break. And they said, well, how'd you get the backpack? I said it before, but I don't know.

I was scrambling, he said. Yeah. Which is, I was scrambling as not an answer. And she says, too, like, I don't remember all of it because, you know, it was like, there's bits and pieces that are missing. And he said the same thing. I don't know. Every fucking thing that happened to you in that moment.

I mean, sometimes people lose moments of time. You get in a car accident. People don't remember the accident. But that's in a blink. This is a, you're, somebody just beat a man to death. That takes a while. Everybody's brain works different when it comes to that. There's little details that are different.

Like in the picture of Molly, one of the things that's very interesting is she has a very delicate bracelet. Oh. That's perfectly intact on her wrist. Oh. She was just trying to pull. hands from her throat and fighting and literally a death struggle with this person. And her very delicate bracelet didn't break.

Those bracelets break if you catch them on a thread on your fucking pants. Tom also, clean as a whistle, 65 years old, battling with somebody 30 years younger than him outweighing him by 100 pounds. Yeah? That is crazy. They just said it's life or death. They wrestled for control of the bat. It was horrible, everything like that. Now, the assistant district attorney says, you cannot be engaged in a Donnybrook like they described with a man who is bigger than you, stronger than you taller than you and not have a mark on you.

It's just not possible. Right. I logically, it's really hard to say that. You know what I mean? Hard to say that you could, that's possible, you know. So why were the parents there that day? Yeah, they were there to visit, right? Yeah, they were just, they canceled plans to get there.

everything. Well, Tom doesn't say that, though. When he's been in the interrogation room, he said, oh, we just said it was a beautiful Saturday. Sun was shining. We didn't have any plans at all that weekend. Yeah. So he said, it's a four-hour drive. It's a beautiful day. Let's go see Molly. Let's hop in the car. Four-hour drive? It's a four-hour drive. Let's just hop in the car. It's an eight-hour round trip. Let's pop over by Big Five. Get a couple of sporting goods. Head on down and bring some gifts. No problem. All right.

But the problem is if he really didn't have plans and just went, that'd be fine. But he canceled his plans to go to North. So that's, he lied in the interrogation room about that, obviously, or allegedly, whatever. So where the fuck was Sharon during all this? Because mom's there, too. Where is she? All the other adults in the house are accounted for. Well, she says that she was sleeping down in the room there.

She said she heard a scream. Her husband got up. and then she went back to sleep. A scream. He's got it. It's all right. Yeah. Brad Pitt was just going down on me on that dream.

I'm going to try and get back to that. Close your eyes real tight. She claimed she woke up to a ruckus, but after Tom went to check it out, she just went back to sleep, never checked, never wanted to make sure the kids are okay, her husband's okay, her daughter's okay. She never called 911. She just rolled back over. Oh, Jesus.

She slings great. Yeah. And when officers arrived, she was described by police officers as, quote, surprisingly calm, given that her son-in-law had just been beaten the death upstairs by her husband and daughter. Yeah. Super calm. Just whatever. These people.

Her statement is, quote, during the middle of the night, I woke up. The dogs were barking. I could hear Molly screaming upstairs and some thumping. My husband said he was going to get up to get them and calm down, or he was going to going to call the police. He told me to stay there. I heard more screams and more thumping. And then she said it got quiet and the dog settled down so she just went back to

sleep. What the fuck are you talking about? Everybody could have just been massacred, but she's like, at least they're quiet. That's fine. Seems like everything's fine now. Holy shit. What the hell, lady. So then the next day they bring the kids.

to the dragonfly house, which is, I believe, yeah. Yeah, kids that have had trauma and they're, yeah. So they go to talk to the kids. It's like the Ronald minus cancer. Yeah, that's probably good. Yeah. So, well, I mean, not to you just say it's good that they don't have cancer.

Right, right, right. This is mean that's what the house is. Yeah. Traumatic shit that doesn't, they're not a sickness. And they find out a bunch of things that are very unexpected from these kids. Jack says that they have code words. They have code words to call Tom and Sharon and tell them they're in some sort of emergency, and Tom and Sharon will come running and come to Knoxville four hours away.

All they have to do is call up, say the word, and hang up, and they'll be in the car. Call a flower. And they come running. It's Jack's word is Galaxy and Sarah's word is Peacock. Okay. That's how it works. They're supposed to call their grandparents if things got bad, and then they'll come running. So Jack tells investigators, they say,

about the brick. He says it was for painting. They were going to make it pretty. Okay. So, yeah, they said that they asked Jack, tell me why you're here,

and it's the environment that you question a kid in. It's a, you know, not a police interrogation room and it's a person trained. Yeah, trained to work with kids and all that kind of thing. They said, can you tell me

while you're here? And Jack says, my dad died. Oh. and people are trying, my aunt and uncle from my dad's side are trying to take me away from my mom. Okay. Sarah says, I don't want to wake my dad up. And they say, tell me why. And she says, because he gets really, really angry because why'd you wake me up?

Okay. And she also says, the way she put it is very cute. She says, she begins her story with not when I was four, not when I was five, but when I was six this happened. Which I'm like, the Irish are great storytellers. Even at this young age, she can tell a story. Not when I was four, not when I was five. But when I was six, the great potato famine started.

Ah, the family had to eat the peat from around the property. I like when kids do that. Kids do that a lot. It's awesome. I love that shit. Oh, she's cute as shit. Yeah, she's cute as shit, too. Yeah, it's adorable.

So they asked her. them about abuse and they said, what did you see? And they said punching, hitting, pushing. Oh. They, you know, she said that her dad would get very mad. And Sarah said that she saw her dad hit her mom once because they say, you ever see her dad hit your mom? And she said once. And Jack said that, we'll talk about what Jack said, but they said, have anyone told you what to say when other people talk to you? And she said, I'm just saying the truth. That's all she said. Jack is like young here. I mean, this is young. He's like 10, and he says that my dad, I've witnessed my dad physically and verbally assault my mother. Interesting. A 10-year-old used the words physically and verbally assault. I didn't know,

I did not know those words together until I was 21 probably. So that's very interesting here. and the social worker explained all this thing, and they talked to Sarah first, and then the social worker explained everything. Sarah and Jack had just arrived home that night, and they explained all of that. They said, Jack, this is from their report, Jack states that he goes to Walberg Elementary.

He states he's in the fifth grade. He says he does not like the principal. He states he's very demanding and mean. Yeah. He said that why, What he does not, he says what he does not like being home is that his parents fight for physically and verbally. He stated his dad gets mad at his mom for no good reason. And he said he gets mad at her for simple things.

Like she'll leave a light on and he freaks out. She can't do anything right. Jack said that his dad says that his mom doesn't pay the bills on time. And he said it can be any simple things such as leaving a light on. He said his dad curses at his mom. And he said he's seen his dad a few times hit his mom. with a fist. And this, he's seen this a few times.

They asked Jack, where he and his sister are when the fighting is happening. And he said his room, he said, sometimes mom and dad send he and his sister outside while they fight. Or sometimes the parents will go in their room. He said it makes him feel sad. Yeah, he said he thinks about all this every day. And a lot of times he thinks about it during the night. It keeps him from sleeping. It's tough.

It's tough for a kid. here. And they said that Sarah stated that she saw her dad smack her mom across the room. She said that they pretended the kids would pretend they didn't see it when that happened. He said he also stated they would run. And there was one time when dad pulled mom's hair. And she stated that they were out in the hallway between the door and the garage and that her mom started to fall and got up and then went to the car. Okay, so they're saying everything Molly says is true, mad abusive, Jason is. These kids are just...

Beating everything she says, yeah. Yep, the painted brick is exactly. He said, yes, we're going to make it pretty exactly like she said. Same words. So during the autopsy, they find out that Jason, number one, was naked on the floor. His skull was so destroyed that it's described as caved in. The back of his head has hit so many times that medical examiners can't count the blows because they overlap.

Oh, my. They said it's at least 12, but it could have been a lot higher because the damage was so extensive. Some blows landed in the same spot, making the count impossible, multiple scalp lacerations, extensive skull fracturing.

His scalp was literally ripped from his skull in places. Wow. His skull was crushed. The medical examiner estimated that four of the blows could have been fatal individually and that eight of the blows

would have rendered him unconscious. and then the other ones, who knows? Who knows? They also found evidence that there was at least one blow delivered post-mortem, dead already, and they're still dead. That takes so long. When you see the pictures, too, of the blood spatter down there, I mean, I am no blood spatter expert, and I'm not trying to Dunning Kruger this shit at all, but just the basic science of blood spatter is the things, you know where the blood goes.

If it comes this way, it meant it came from here and went there. It's halfway up the wall, and it looks to me like the blood came from below and went up on the wall because it's got the tentacles coming away, like going on top of the wall. So that would mean that that's how it's how blood lands, shooting up from the floor. So if he's on the floor, you don't need to hit him anymore because he's already on the floor. You can leave the room. Yeah, right. You can get away. You can leave the danger at that point and go.

So, and he's, and after all those blows to the head, any of them would have rendered him unconscious. if not killed him. Right. So you didn't need to keep working him. And you're hitting something on the ground that is so bloody that it's splashing. Every, dude, the blood in these scene is sick. It's insane. There's blood everywhere.

Not a lot of people are still charging, bleeding like that. No, that's the thing. When you're bleeding like that. Yeah, you're fighting to keep this body moving. That's crazy. Yeah. The coroner said that they saw similar wounds on car crash victim. Oh, wow.

You know, with a 3,000-pound car crashing into them. They said they were unable to say how many times he was hit in the face either, but the wounds were inconsistent and appeared to be made by different weapons, meaning not just one hit with the brick to the face is what they're saying. The police did uncover the landscaping stone. It was picked up as possible evidence because it's got blood and fucking hair. Everything's got blood on it, but it's got hair on it too. They said some wounds are made with this brick.

neither Molly or Thomas mentioned that at the time there was an indication that he was also hit after death like we said now the toxicology report is also yeah that's fascinating right interesting that they find

toxicology found trazadone in his system he doesn't have a prescription for trazadone but Molly does but people take each other's medication like that all the time yeah you know what's the next between friends

yeah I go when I went to the dentist they had prescribed me ibuprofen 800, Sarah, gave her one, who cares? You know what I mean? You're married. Don't go, don't go admitting to fucking crimes, James. Is that crimes?

Giving my wife an ibuprofen 800? I don't think that's a crime. No, I think we're okay with there. I think we're all right. Inside the house. It's literally just for Advil. There's no drugs in it or anything. It's not coding or anything.

She could take a handful of Advil or just take one of these. Take one of these. So they said that the number of sleeping pills found would certainly have knocked him out if he never used them before, if he had no, you know, any kind of buildup for them. The lack of defensive injuries suggest that he was unconscious is also, there's no defensive wounds on anybody. What the hell?

That's not a fight. Dad, him, no, with a baseball bat and a brick and grown people in a small room together, not a small room, a master bedroom. That's an ambush. It's a lot. So that's interesting. They said also, if he was attacking Molly and she was trying to get him off or there would be at least a couple of scratches on her.

You'd think. Or on him. She was scratched him also. There's nothing like that. There's nothing under her fingernails. The medical examiner concluded that Jason was, it doesn't look like an accident to them or self-defense even. So the blood alcohol, because they keep saying he'd been heavily drinking all day.

He was drunk and wild. You know those Irish. Yeah. Drunk and wild. You wake up a sleeping drunk Irishman? Watch out. Of course you're going to get choked. Well, his blood alcohol.

alcohol level was 0.02. Oh, he had a glass of wine with dinner. That's it. Six hours ago, maybe. Yeah. In a 260-pound man, that's not anything. Plus, he's Irish. At 0, he's fine, probably. He can probably function. Yeah, you could fix those numbers around. And he's still fine. That's the legal limit to drive in Ireland. You're fine. You're fine. Point two, oh, eh. You're going back to the bottom, laddie? All right then. Get on back then. Yeah, that's just for morning coffee.

the patterns on the walls of blood show that Jason's head was 12 to 18 inches off the floor when some of the blows were struck. That meant at least some of the beating occurred when he was already on the ground, not standing or fighting like they had said. Tom, they must have been standing over him, just beating him.

That's what the indications are. Also, high-velocity blood spatter on the hem of Tom's boxer shorts because he was wearing boxers in a T-shirt up here. The prosecution later will argue that this is consistent with Tom standing over Jason as he delivered the blows, blood flying up from the impact. This blood was never tested on his boxers, which is odd.

But the blood spatter expert says that dents are visible in the wall of the master bedroom. You can see there's dense down low. Oh. Where they probably, yeah. Getting the bat against it? So they say that it was multiple times. Yeah, that's how it happened. And also evidence indicates that a vacuum cleaner with blood on it was moved before the

investigators arrived at the house and started taking pictures. They said that these special equipment to take pictures of the red polo shirt and plaid boxer shorts that Martins was wearing and the pajamas that Molly was wearing. And they said that they talked about the impact spatter, the saturation of blood staining the carpet. It was also on the bed skirt. Evidence suggesting that Jason was struck, first struck near the bed. Like I said, there was a very.

vacuum cleaner sitting upright at the west wall of the master bedroom. And he said there were blood spatters behind the vacuum and a pattern of blood spatter flowing from side to side on the vacuum cleaner. Oh. He said it was either, it tells me that the vacuum cleaner was on its side when the blood deposited on the vacuum cleaner and it was long enough for it to dry. It shows an alteration of the scene prior to the photographs being taken. Why would we move the vacuum?

Yeah, what's the deal? We don't know. and also the concrete brick had blood and tissue fragments on it. And it was used more than once to strike something. It had it in different parts. So back to the investigation, our neighbor reported seeing an unidentified vehicle at the house in the early morning hours that night. Why? Before anybody arrived, emergency services or anything like that.

The vehicle was never traced. Nobody ever figured out what that was. What is that about? Who knows? Also, Jason's laptop and phone weren't found somehow. What is that about? I don't know. That's what they said in the story.

So now, within 48 hours of Jason's death, I don't know what, I don't remember what source this is from a newspaper source, I believe. So I'm not sure the exact truth of this, but this is what was reported. Molly took $30,000 from their joint account. This is within 48 hours. spent $5,500 on a forensic deep clean of the house. Oh, I mean, I guess, yeah, you have to. Attempted rapid cremation that they said, hold on now, sister. Slow down.

She filed for guardianship and the $500,000 life insurance. Apparently, the children had been removed as beneficiaries weeks before the death of the life insurance. And we don't know who made those changes, apparently. So they bring the kids to court to see where they're going because they're not with a parent at the moment. Sure. And the court, I mean, it's not even close. It's black and white. Open and shut.

Says in his will. Yeah. They go to his sister. They're from Ireland. They're Irish. Their whole family is there. Their cultures. And the judge goes on culture, religion, this, that.

Everything says they belong in Ireland with their family. Why would they stay in Tennessee with you people? You're not even related to them. You can file for life insurance if you, well, I guess, I mean, is it self-defense? Is that? All right. Self-defense. She's going to give it a shot anyway.

Yeah, that's a fascinating choice. So the judge returns them to Ireland under Sister Tracy's watch here. After the children moved to Ireland, this is crazy. Apparently, allegedly, Molly hired planes to fly banners over their. their school and she has a note she's not supposed to contact them and she contacted Sarah's classmates on social media to try to get an inn which is real great you can't do that flying a plane hi Sarah greetings from Knoxville like paying somebody to fly it with a with a banner like a what the hell is going on I don't know man January 6th 2016 five months later they're

Finally, Tom and Molly are arrested. They heard nothing for five months. They did their interviews. I think like two weeks later, they went and talked again, and that was it. So the investigators told Molly at the night of the killing, based on all of her stories. And before the autopsy came in, this looks like self-defense. To me, sure. She said, you know, he beats me.

Because when they were asking her, they said he's gotten physically violent with you. And she said, yeah. And they said more than once. And she said, yeah, how many times? More times than you can count. And she said a lot. Yeah. So there was that.

But they are charged with second-degree murder and voluntary manslaughter. I assume let the jury choose between the two. So Molly's uncle said, I mean, of course they're devastated. They were both aware of the possibility that they might not walk out of this courtroom. Yeah. I mean, there's... I don't like the bat. No, I don't like that he brought the bat and then had it downstairs with him and then...

And then upon hearing a scuffle, grabbed the bat and went upstairs. That he just brought into the house. Yeah, that I don't like at all. The bat was already in their bedroom and he just picked it up. That'd be one thing. But he brought a bat from Tennessee or wherever the fuck he bought it and then brought it upstairs. It's crazy. It brought it downstairs with him.

And then brought it back up with him. I don't like that at all. Now, the big thing that people can't. The reason why people are saying that, you know, a lot of people are on Molly's side here with this is, that the kids, there's video of these kids talking about that dad beating my mom up and all this type of shit. Then by next year, though, when the kids are in Ireland for a while, they changed their story. Oh? Yeah.

The DA talks to them and they claim Molly told them to say everything they said and coached them very thoroughly. Oh. She said, Jack said that Molly told him, if you don't tell this, we'll never see you again. So you'll lose your mom and your dad's already dead. You will just be gone somewhere. They claim Molly coached him and Saratelai, including allegations that Jason had killed their mother. Tell them this, yeah.

Yes. He said that, Jack said that he was punished by Molly, had to put his face under a faucet, waterboarded the kid essentially, allegedly here. Standing. Because he didn't call her mom. Yeah. He wrote, he'll later write a statement calling her a murder, a murderer.

In this, they say, is it true that your father was abusive or false? And he says, false. They said, what did Molly say to you? He said, we were going to do an interview. She was saying a lot of story, a lot of story making of stories about my dad saying that he was abusive. And she started saying, if you don't lie, I'll never get to see you again. You'll never see me again. And they both said that Sarah says the same thing.

Molly coached them, told them exactly what to say. Sarah later on said this, quote, I lied in those interviews, and I'll always have to live with that. But Molly had gotten into our ears at such a young age. Molly started telling me that my dad killed my birth mom when I was six years old. She told me my dad was a bad man. We were sat down by the Martins and Molly, and they told us we had to say that dad was a bad man and that he hit her. and that if we didn't say those things that we would be separated and that we'd never see each other again, Jack and Sarah, not only them, you won't see each other again.

She is diabolical. If that's true. Sarah said, so we were really scared and we lied. They have no reason to lie these kids at this point. None. There's no reason. And of everybody in this story, I believe the kids the most, they have the least to gain. And they don't have anything to gain.

And they have the most experience. The things that they're, because as a child, when things happen to you, that are traumatic like that, your body creates, the things that are there that are traumatic, you remember the motherfucker out of that. Unfortunately, you'll live those over for the rest of your fucking days. Sarah, it's so sad too, because Sarah says,

I feel like my mom and my dad dying is my fault. My mom was awake. My mom was awake to feed me when she died, and this time I woke the house up with my nightmare. Which that might not even be true. They might have been about to do this And then she had a nightmare And they're like, oh shit, get her back to bed

Yeah We don't know that might she might not even woke everybody up But in her heart, that's what she feels I mean, I feel horrible for these kids And these kids seem like they're pretty Pretty well adjusted. They seem real smart and strong But so attorneys for Molly and Thomas are

They are trying to get a change of venue Oh, they want to go somewhere else Get it out of Davidson County saying that the news organizations have published what they consider false information. So they don't want the jury having this false information. The judge said he wasn't entirely convinced that the trial should be moved out of the county. He said, quote, I just don't see it. Yeah.

I think you're good. July 2017, it's trial time. Okay. Second degree murder for the two of them. The jury is nine men or nine women and three men. Or manslaughter? This is second degree murder or voluntary manslaughter. Okay.

Both families turn out. The Irish contingent all fly in. They take up one side of the court. The Martins are on the other side. It's a lot. Tracy said, what was it like to be so close, sitting in the same room with Molly and Tom? It was very difficult.

You're sitting there looking at two people that had done something that was so malicious, insidious, and ferocious. The Irish. That's right. The aptitude for attitude, as we found out from the Irish, turn a phrase, boy. not when I was four, not when I was five, but when I was six.

They know how to turn that phrase. Appitude for attitude. That was great. The prosecutor here in this case during the trial in the opening said, we thought we had evidence stacked up a mile high. The viciousness and violence and excessiveness of the injuries that Jason suffered is really the cornerstone of our case. They present the autopsy finding, the at least 12 blows to the skull,

the photos of Tom and Molly with... Nothing on their bodies. Not a mark. Clean. Yeah. He said they didn't have a scratch, an abrasion. Molly had a delicate bracelet on that night. She continued to wear throughout this trial.

And a 65-year-old has paper-thin skin. And he's fine. Didn't even cut himself. They presented the blood spatter evidence that he was struck in the head when he was 12 to 18 inches off the floor. They presented the toxicology that the drunken claims of being wild and drunk aren't true. Because he was 0.02, for Christ's saying. What are you going to do here? So he said the prosecutors will prove that Molly and, you know, Tom hit Jason multiple times at the bat and the paving stone.

Dr. Craig Nelson, coach himself, the medical examiner, testifies that when he took the scalp off Corbett's head for examination, chunks of skull fell onto the examining table. They said, you're going to see pieces of his skull that looked like a hard-boiled egg got dropped on the counter. The defense is very simple. Self-defense. That's it. Really? They said it's self-defense. They said that Tom and Sharon had driven to see the kids. They said they hadn't seen the grandchildren in six months.

Oh, my. It's just a quick four-hour drive. They said they called Molly and told her they were coming, and they arrived. They got there, and they went to bed. Martin's was, Tom was planning to play golf and spend time with just. Jack and Sarah, even if Jack's, and even give Jack the Little League baseball bat he got for him. But, you know, he said he knows upstairs as his daughter when he hears the thumping. He knows upstairs as his grandchildren.

He doesn't know what he's facing. Yeah. So he grabs this bat. And he goes up there and he finds this guy strangling his daughter. My God. He said he struck Jason until he let Molly go when Jason was down in the bedroom. Then he called 911 and performed CPR. He said, I hit him just till he let go of my.

Molly. Yeah. She, yeah. Interesting. They talk about the 12 different blows to the head. They said that it was unable to determine how many times he was hit in certain places because it was crushed in. The 911 dispatcher, they testify as well here saying that, you know, they've done, been doing this for 16 years and that CPR is exhausting and that many people who perform CPR are out of breath. Right.

But Tom never appeared. out of breath on the phone. He's a 65-year-old man. She said, I noticed he was not out of breath. He didn't sound like most people do when they're doing CPR. How often does a 911 operator hear people doing CPR? Constantly. All the time. Yeah. He said he was in bad shape. What does that even mean? You know, 5-10, 260. Yeah, you know, he could drop a few. I'm going to be honest with you. The fuck's happening. So the dispatcher also said that Molly appeared to be a little excited and yelled out the counts for the compressions as if she wanted to make sure that the dispatcher heard. Yeah, right.

It just didn't sound right to the dispatcher. So Tom's co-worker here, Joanne Lowry, who worked with Martins at Oak Ridge Laboratory and the counterintelligence office in Tennessee here, she said about two months before Jason was killed, she sat beside Tom on a Monday and asked him how his weekend went. And he said, oh, the kids came home and we're always. glad to see them at home, but we're glad to see them leave, is what he said. Okay. Then he talked about Jason and said, that son-in-law, I hate him, is what Martin's told her.

This was months beforehand, which if he was abusive to the daughter, he would hate him. But if he just hated him, they just hated him. She said that Martin's expressed his dislike of Jason in 2011 before they even got married, before he ever came here. Didn't like him ever. She said it was just a discussion of his pre-wedding celebration. Jason, his friends were coming to their home, the Martin's home. He indicated his dislike for Jason and his rowdy friends.

They're a bunch of Irish guys at a bachelor party. What do you want? They're the worst. Yeah, they're going to be rowdy. Keep them away from all comedy clubs. But if they're in your house, you've got to expect this. Don't be near them watching soccer. Yeah, what if there's a game on?

Under cross-examination, she said she couldn't remember. remember exactly when in 2015 that Tom made the statement about Jason Corbett, just a couple of months before the murder. She also said that Tom had been in a good mood, but his attitude had changed when he mentioned Jason Corbett. Now, this testimony was very much contested. Prosecutors and defense attorney spent an hour and 15 minutes arguing outside the presence of the jury over whether this lady should be allowed to testify and whether her testimony should be limited in any way. They argued that the testimony with the defense said it's irrelevant and prejudicial and hearsay. Arguing that the state's theory of the case involved allegations that Molly and Martin's acted in concert, that means that these statements implicate Molly also.

So that's bullshit. And then that sets up a possible violation of Molly's constitutional rights because her attorneys would either have no chance or limited opportunity to confront Lowry on cross-examination. Okay. So the district attorney, though, they argue that the relevant testimony because it goes to malice. And they said that prosecutors haven't firmly committed to a theory of acting in concert and that they should not be barred from eliciting what they consider to be relevant testimony. So they agreed to allow the testimony. But only as a possible evidence of Tom's guilt, not Molly's guilt. Oh.

Can't count that for Molly, told the jurors. they also this Lowry testified that Tom made his dislike for Jason well known among the counterintelligence unit they all know he they hate him which was made up of 13 people yeah which is crazy they bring in a drug expert for the prosecution that said the drug would have uh it is unlikely that the drug would have had impairing effects on Jason um that's the defense is saying that the prosecution saying he would have been impaired by the drugs Tom testifies. Yeah. You got to talk. Yeah, you got to talk about it. In his interrogation, he sounded like he sounded like he was describing an inconvenient, small blip in his day that happened on his way to get coffee. That's the way he was describing it.

So that's weird. So on the stand, that's going to come off weird, too. Tom said, I certainly felt he would kill me. I felt both our lives were in danger and I did the best I could. He said, once I got control of the bat, I hit him in. I considered the threat to be over. You know, the legal definition of how you do this. And when I considered the threat to be over, I quit hitting him.

So the defense tries to present evidence about Jason's alleged abuse, but the judge excluded most of it, including the children's 2015 statements where they could talk about their dad hitting their mom and all that. All that shit we talk about, none of that comes in. They also don't allow in any of those recordings. Oh, good. They're without context.

They're without. We don't know what that means. Molly does not testify. She keeps quiet. Dad said, I'll take care of this. Now, during his closing argument here, the prosecutor used the actual murder weapons to make his point. He held up the bat. He held up the brick and slammed him over and over again into the prosecutor's table. And saying with every time, with ever increasing force, asking jurors to imagine that table was an Irish businessman's head.

And every slam on the table They said it was so ear piercing in court loud He also slammed the table with the concrete paving brick Along with the bat And they said this was a big deal They said they didn't just rip flesh from bone They said they crushed his skull It takes I hate you force to do that

They beat him to the point that the doctor said This is the type of injury we see in car crashes Or a fall from a great height They also walked over to the table and pointed to Martins and Molly, and they said, they killed him. He killed Jason with a bat. She killed him with that brick. They literally beat the skin off his skull with the bat and the brick. They said, how much force does it take to split the flesh all the way to the skull?

You know what malice feels like from the brick that Molly had? It feels like I hate him and I want those kids. That's what malice feels like. Said excessive force, post-mortem blows. the motives, the fake CPR, as they said, because they said there's no blood on Tom's hands when they got there. Delayed 9-1-1, the body was cold.

Right. They said, not self-defense, murder. So he said, Jason did not have to die. He did not have to die in his own bedroom. He didn't have to die with his children at the top of the steps. He didn't have to die at the hands of the woman he came to America for.

He didn't have to die at the hands of her father. None of that had to happen. you have a duty to return a verdict that will deliver justice for Jason. The defense attorney said, no, none of that. That is not true at all. It's all garbage. He said, no, no, reasonable fear. There's no malice, inconsistencies in the prosecution's forensics.

They said Molly had nothing to gain, apparently not in the will. Apparently, she tried to get, there was reports that she tried to get the settlement from the insurance, but other reports that she didn't and that she wasn't in the will. so I'm not sure which one that is. They said Jason is larger and more aggressive than both of these people. They said the jury should be concerned about everything it didn't see. They said the prosecutor's bloodstain pattern expert couldn't even be bothered to go to the house or review reports from paramedics.

Also, they said they didn't use accurate diagrams of the house when drawing the conclusions. They also said that they didn't take photos of Tom in the plaid boxer shorts he was wearing. The only photos of Martins were taken more than. than four hours later at the sheriff's department when he's got khaki shorts on, that material anyway, said he doesn't have to prove one thing to you. It's their burden.

If they want to use their lack of evidence against him, folks, don't let him do that. Right. He said, Tom Martins woke up from a dream into a nightmare sometime before 3 a.m. Before he heard noises, he thought he was there to visit his grandchildren,

his daughter, and his son-in-law. But once he heard those noises. He grabbed the metal baseball bat. He planned to give to Jack the next day and went upstairs. He spent his life defending our country. He's served us. He's protected us. That's what Martin's knows how to do to protect. Yeah. The last thing he would ever expect to see is his son-in-law with his hands around his daughter's throat and he did what he had to do to protect his daughter. He noted that Jason had received a diagnosis of depression and had a thyroid condition that he wasn't taking medication for.

He also drank seven beers that night. You can say he drank a keg and a half. When it happened, he was not drunk at all. Right. And they even say the prosecutor said, 0.08 is North Carolina you can drive. He's 0.02.

Right. And he should have gave a little wink and went, and he's Irish too. This man could drive a bus right now. Yeah, it's no rob. They said that weeks before the death, he said he was stressed and becoming angry for no reason. He's obviously out of control. Yeah.

You know, it's all Jason not guilty on these two. Now, pre-verdict, Molly and Tom give an interview to 2020. Before the jury? After the trial, yes. After the trial before they come back. Wow. Wow. Like that night, I guess, after the closing arguments.

And they called Jason controlling and paranoid and described violent behavior that took place behind those doors. So verdict comes in here. Three hours of deliberation. That's not much. That's quick. Yeah. They're pretty sure about something one way or the other. They find them both guilty of second-degree murder.

That's a... Oh, boy. That's good. So during sentencing, they say, you, dad and daughter. Right. You can have a daddy-daughter date this way in fuck-off land. Yeah. 20 to 25 years each.

Mm. They get. Now, for Tom, that could be a debt sentence. He's 67 years old. Yeah, that's not good. That's terrible. So as Molly was led away, she turned to her mother in the courtroom and said, quote, I'm sorry. I should have just let him kill me.

Oh, come on. That's what she said. So the reactions here, Tracy, sister from Jason, said it was overwhelming relief, really. They beat him horribly and viciously, and no human being deserves to leave their marital bedroom with their skull destroyed like what happened to Jason. Molly's family's got a different view. Molly's uncle Michael tells the 48 hours and, oh no, he talked to the news and observer and Molly's brother Connor were interviewed for 48 hours. Okay.

He says both Connor and I stressed that Tom and Molly did not receive a fair trial as outlined by the appellate briefs and oral arguments that we have. And more importantly, key evidence was never heard by this jury. An example where the interviews the children conducted, including two forensic interviews, where both children stated they'd witnessed their father verbally, emotionally, and physically abused Molly. Additionally, during my interview, I explained through evidence presented at trial, the numerous fictions being presented as fact in the Irish media. I also attempted to emphasize Tom's 31 years of auditory service as an FBI agent, his 40 years passing detailed security background investigations, and neither Tom or Molly have any derogatory. record. Now, Ernest was managing a Facebook page dedicated to freeing Tom and Molly. Oh. And he said the only evidence presented a trial regarding mental instability pertained

to Jason. He said, no evidence presented regarding Molly. They should have brought her ex-fiance in there. He's got some shit to say. How about Nurse Ratchet or anybody in the fucking psych ward? So they file an appeal arguing that multiple errors had been made, and most significant, the exclusion of Jack and Sarah's statements, the ones that were obviously advantageous to her, not the ones later on. They described their father as violent and abusive. So they argue that.

They argue that should have been included. They also argue that, that should have been definitely included, they said, and that they made an alleged statement that Tom made, which was stated that the father of Jason Corbett's first wife told him that they blame Jason Corbett for the deaths. They said they should have let that in, too. Now, thing is, though, in an affidavit before he died, Michael Fis ended up dying,

Mags' father later, maybe he's in the 70s or something, but he signed an affidavit saying, I never told him that. I never said anything about that, yeah. And that's what her mom said, too. Mags' mom said he loved Jason. We love Jason. We all love Jason. Sister loved, none of us blamed him at all.

He was sobbing over her corpse when she died saying, please don't leave me, please don't leave me, I love you. He didn't do it for two years. They said it's total bullshit. One of Martin's attorneys has argued that that statement should have been admitted as a way to explain what Martins was thinking at the time of the death. But the autopsy shows obviously that a cardiac arrest stemming from asthma, not being choked. Their defense attorneys, though, they're in this document. documentary, they're insane, these two guys, in my opinion.

They said, what they say is, I think insane. They said, it's right in the document. She kept telling her sister, I think I'm going to die, I think I'm going to die. They said, that's not someone with asthma. That's someone who's been strangled. And then there's a certain time where you're strangled and then you're fine, but then you die afterwards, even though you're not being strangled anymore. That's a person that tells you.

Yeah. And he said, and look at her autopsy. It says no external injuries whatsoever. They don't tell you about internal injuries, though. Oh, come on. The problem is any internal injuries that come from the outside. Yeah, show up on your fucking skin. These guys are pulling shit out of their ass and they're saying that they really think he killed his first wife and all this shit.

It's fucking insane. So, wow. They also said there was jury misconduct. There was evidence that jurors talked about the case outside of the deliberation. Specifically cited was jury foreman, Tom Amland, who gave interviews in which he said there were private conversations. Nancy Perez, another juror, vomited after seeing autopsy photos during the trial. But she had told them that she had not eaten breakfast that morning. That's why she threw up.

In an interview with 2020, she said that the autopsy photos did make her sick. Yeah, she was trying to not told me a wist at the time. So they say that they're, it's, yeah. Now the prosecutors say, Molly and Martins were convicted by their two perfect self-defense claim, not consistent with the voluminous direct and circumstantial evidence that belied their choking story and the extensive evidence of Jason having been repeatedly bashed in the head by both defendants until he was dead.

Together, they created this fantasy to deceive the authorities and this jury in a fabricated story participated in by both defendants acting in concert together to attain the ultimate result they intended. Yeah, they also talk about the discrepancies in, like they argue about whether Jason was trying to transfer $60,000 to Ireland and all that, and whether or not he was trying to apply for a business loan and who knows. knows that their argument about all this anyway. So January 2019 is when they hear the oral arguments. February 2020, this is very rare this happens on a murder case on the first appeal.

The murder convictions are overturned. Based on what? Based on all of that? Self-defense, I guess. The kid's statements, if you don't show the kids statements, then you show the kids' statements, you go, oh, that makes a big difference. But then what about the kids' statements since then? What about those statements? We're picking and choosing. She made a say that. Right. Yeah.

So the court ruled that excluding the children's statements was prejudicial and they're entitled to a new trial. Well, the bummer is then you have to have the kids testify. And that's fucked up. That's more torture. Well, they were going to show the videos of them. That's how they do it with little kids. Yeah, but the defense or the prosecutor is just going to have the kids testify. Exactly.

That. So now you're going to have to, you're going to make those children sit on the fucking stand. This woman's a fucking stand. fucking monster. Oh, there's an interview with Sarah tears popping out of her eyes where she's saying they were just, they're just overturned. Like they're like, it didn't happen. And she's very sad. Molly's a monster.

They were like, oh, we're all going over there. The whole family, they're going. We're going to testify. We're fucking going. Molly's brother said the kids statements that Jason was an abuser and those interviews were conducted in professional environments on multiple occasions where Molly was not present. And to the allegation that they were coached by Molly, I mean the interviews were conducted by professionals. That's their job. They can only take it at face value.

They're saying they were coached in Ireland because they did their interviews via via a Skype call. So there must have been someone off camera giving feeding cue cards to the kids of what to say. The thing about an abused child is that they believe that their abuser can get them at any moment and that they have the longest arms on the, because they've witnessed this person. What a silly thing to say out loud. Those kids, no matter what, are going to feel that way. They're going to feel like they can be. got or whatever whatever threat is going to be

followed up on no matter what. So the state appeals this decision to the North Carolina Supreme Court. And in 2024 by a vote of four to three, stretching it, they uphold the appellate court's decision

and it's still overturned. Oh, wait. What? They upheld the appellate court's decision to overturn it. Okay. So now we have to have a new trial? Yep. And they are released on two $200,000 bail each. Get the fuck out of here. They're out and free, and that's when Sarah is not happy about that, young Sarah.

So there's going to be a new trial. They said, oh, we're definitely putting them on trial again. The new defense strategy is to question Mags' death to bring in the secret recordings of they're arguing. They have all the recordings. One of the recordings, Jack says he found in Jason's car and showed it to his dad, and he was like, why is this in here? Look at this, Dad. Yeah. His dad was pissed.

So she said she captured Jason being frustrated and short temper. But she never captures physical violence, which is what she says he's constantly doing. You hear him talking to her like he is trying to stay in control of a... A volatile situation. No, of an unwieldy teenager. Like you said we were doing this and now you're doing this, Molly. Why? So I don't know.

It sounds like a guy who wants a divorce. I'll tell you that much. October 2023, they end up getting a plea deal. Okay. Basically, this trial would be a fucking mess again, with the kids' contradictory statements and everything like that. Tom pleads guilty to voluntary manslaughter. Molly pleads no contest to voluntary manslaughter. They dropped the murder charges.

During sentencing, Dr. David Adams assessed Molly before this and concluded the primary focus of her existence before she married Jason was to adopt these two children, then divorce him, and then have custody rights. She consulted a divorce attorney months before her wedding to Jason. The kids make victim impact statements. They get to do it. Finally, they get their say. It's great. In the car before they go into court, they got her aunt, their aunt and uncle are in the car with them. And they're like, go to this court. And he's like, all right, we're going to go in there. We're going to stick together to you. What do we say about the dog? Fuck these people. He says, fuck these people.

They don't mean shit to us. And they're going in there. It's the total like curbiour enthusiasm, fucking Robert Smigel. The kid says that? Fuck these people. They say that. He goes, no, the uncle says, fuck these people. It was like, yes, these people are liars.

They're saying all that. Jack stated in his impact statement that he saw a recording device in a Ziploc baggie at the Martin's house the day after his father was killed. Molly corroborated on this documentary that there was a recording device. on her nightstand in the bedroom where Jason died. They don't have that audio. Where the fuck is it? The whole thing is recorded. Detectives believe there were up to 150 hours of secret recordings,

but the DA is only provided with two hours of recordings. What the hell? All very specific Jason's upset recordings. So it was recorded but gone. So it was at the Martin's house, so it was destroyed. So that tells me if everything you're saying is true, you would want everyone to hear this recording. You'd want all the recordings.

Yeah. Sarah delivered an impact statement calling Molly remorseless and a monster, noting that she removed her wedding ring the next day after he was dead. Sarah also, and this is a big one, she talks about being drugged. What? Sarah says she remembers being given tablets and cranberry juice by Molly that night. When she woke up later, her legs felt like jelly, and it was like being on a moving boat. Jack was also given tablets before bed.

That corroborates the theory. that they must have been sedated, and that's how they slept through screaming and murder. Oh, wow. So the judge says, you two may fuck off 51 to 74 months in prison. Stop it. And with time or for credit or time served,

pretty quick. Sarah said it was difficult to read the victim impact statement. There was a lot of emotion, but I think it finally gave me the chance to say something in a courtroom. I felt like I wasn't afraid of them anymore. They'd taken so much space in my life and I didn't want to give them power over me anymore.

We have to live with the fact that the words that we said are part of the reason why Martins are walking free today. And I suppose that's why I wrote a time for truth. We'll get into that because it gave me a chance to just be completely honest about everything and put it in a book and let people read it. He said, the Martins brought my birth mom into it and my grandfather into it

and all these people I loved have passed away since. And I just think this really shows the character of the people at the market. and czar. June 6th, 2024, they're released from prison. Get the fuck out of my life. They got three years? Three years, basically. So what does the audience think?

Don't know. Our audience? It's our audience. What do you guys think? Who knows? Fuck on. There's been some books here. But Tracy, I'll leave Tracy with the last word. She said, I smiled briefly to myself. This is the sister. As I realized Jason eventually found himself back

in the only place on earth he ever wanted to in the arms of his beloved mags. I hope they're together somewhere. Oh, that's adorable. So Sarah writes a book called A Time for Truth, my father, Jason, and my search for justice and healing. That's published in 2025. There's also a deadly American marriage as a book, too,

which is also a Netflix documentary. Oh. It came out last year is a deadly American marriage with the same title. And there's also excerpts from Killer Gold Diggers by Anna Benton here as well. this book. That's a fun title. And this thing. So there is a lot going on here, we will say. And that, everybody. Fuck these people. Fuck these people. God damn. Tom said, I was going to save Molly's life or die trying, and I have no regrets.

Oh, he's shit, old man. That's going to say. You have no regrets, really? Come on. So, all right, Fiddy, we get you. Yeah. I'm a die trying. Oh, boy. So, yeah, the book. by the way, comments on the documentary saying that they did a good job on it there based on the book. So there you go everybody. If you like the story, get on whatever app you're listening on. Give us five stars. It helps

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