Small Town Murder - Murder Colors Don't Run - Jerome, Idaho

Episode Date: March 5, 2026

This week, in Jerome, Idaho, after a woman finds an ex-boyfriend, hiding in her closet with a crossbow, his entire history comes out. Including a crazy & maniacal murder, where he tried to blame a very unlikely person, decades in prison, and even a book of cowboy poetry. But the question is, why was he let out, after committing such a horrific murder, in the first place?    Along the way, we find out that stand up comedy should't have a "circus element" to it, that blaming a child for killing their own mother is beyond the scope of crazy, and that if you really want to freak someone out, hiding in their closet, with a crossbow, is a wild way to do it!!   New episodes, every Wednesday & Friday nights!! Check us out on VIDEO Wednesday and Friday evenings on Netflix! www.netflix.com/smalltownmurder Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder, Crime In Sports & Your Stupid Opinions!   Follow us on... instagram.com/smalltownmurder facebook.com/smalltownpod   Also, check out James & Jimmie's other shows, Crime In Sports & Your Stupid Opinions on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts!!

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hiding in her closet with a crossbow, his entire story comes out, including a crazy murder where he tried to blame a very unlikely person, decades in prison, and even a book of cowboy poetry. Welcome to Small Town Murder. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Small Town Murder. Yay! Yay, indeed, Jimmy. Yay, indeed. My name is James Petrogalo.

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That said, disclaimer time. This is a comedy show, everybody. It's a comedy show. We are comedians. Jokes are going to happen. People are definitely going to die. Otherwise, it would be a very poorly named show. What would that be, though?

If there was no murder. So there's definitely going to be murder. And you go, well, how does that work? How do you make that funny? Very easily here. That's the thing. Very easily. First of all, we don't make fun of the victims or the victims' families.

Why is that, James? Because we're assholes. But we're not scumbags. See how that works? Yeah, it's very easy to do. And on top of that, there's plenty to make fun of. You can make fun of a small town because we're all from somewhere that deserves to be made fun of. Who cares?

It's all in good fun. We can make fun of a police force that, like, doesn't do their job well and lets a murderer go free and kills more people. I think that's worthy of mockery. And we can make fun of murderers because, hey, fuck them. That's why. Fuck them. That's right. How dare they?

They're out here murdering. They want us to be nice to them. No, we're going to make fun of them. But what we don't do is that. So I think it's a good time. If you think true crime and comedy, though, should never, ever go together. Might not be the show for you, but it might be. That's the thing.

I think you should give it a chance, see how it goes. No complaining later, though. Tell you what? That said, I think it's time, everybody. What do you say? Let's all sit back here. Let's all clear the lungs here. I'm going to clear that Nashville out of my lungs that I was stuck in for so long here.

And let's all shout. Shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, everybody. All right. Let's go on a trip, shall we? Let's do it. We are going to Idaho this week. Oh, yeah.

Jerome, Idaho. Where's that? A guy named Jerome. It's southern Idaho. And a southern in the central area there, south central Idaho. It's about an hour and 45 to Boise. It's about nine hours and 50 minutes to our last Idaho episode, which was Bonner's Ferry. So you can drive for 10 hours and still be in Idaho.

Yeah. That's a long. That motherfucker's long. It's long. Yeah, that's all the way up. Bonner's Ferry, Idaho was episode 640, which was killer adjustment. Remember that was the chiropractors? And that was a hilarious episode.

Oh. Weird old chiropractor war with each other. That was insane. That was one of the weirdest episodes. This is in Jerome County, Jerome and Jerome. Area Code 208. It's not a big town. It's about five and a half square mile, so not a big place. By the way, this is 3,700 feet of elevation as well. So it's pretty sitting up there pretty high. It gets rocky up there. It's near Wyoming. Fuck. It's all mountains up there. Absolutely. It's from there. Now, a little bit of history here.

Kind of, obviously, there was a lot of tribes here to begin with and that sort of thing, different ones. And the first people, you know, that came from the east were fur trappers. Right. That came here, obviously. And there was an old Indian trail that crossed its, like, this is basically part of the Oregon Trail type of a little branch off of it. But it was the terrain around here is pretty rocky and pretty crappy. So nobody ever stopped. They just kept going.

They just kind of didn't do it. anything with it. So that was that. But then in about 1900, early 1900s, people started staying here. And it was officially established Jerome in 1907 just as a planned railroad settlement. That's all it was. Yeah. It wasn't supposed to, it wasn't a naturally occurring town. The railroad said, just a quick break. Perfect. This is where we need to have a spot here. And they wanted to have an irrigation project there as well. So there's that kind of thing. In October 1908, ground was broken, beginning the construction of a big hotel. It was the Northside Inn.

It was real dramatic. And it was like, it's beautiful, too. It was a really, I've seen in the picture, beautiful structure. And it was the only thing there like that. This was like a bunch of makeshift structures and a little railroad settlement. And then this like fine hotel in the middle of everything, which was real weird looking here. Nowadays, Jerome's economy is mainly from the farms and the dairies. Dairy farming became a huge source of.

revenue. Yeah, it's not so much potatoes anymore. It's who knew. Dairy farming now. This isn't far from where Evil Caneval did the, well, attempted the Snake River Jump, yeah, which we talked about. We did a 10-part, evil-can-eval episode on Crime and Sports. So we talked about that a lot. Notable people here, this is where, if you've ever read Nikki Six from Motley Crew, he's got a couple of books and actually a good writer actually too, right in kind of his memoirs. Not much of a reader, but I've read that one. Yeah, there you go. This is the town that he's, kind of grew up in where he got sent with his grandmother. Remember, he talked about being in a shitty little small town? This is said shitty little small town. Here's some quotes from

Nikki Six here about this place. Quote, Jerome Idaho might have been small, but it had a downtown with a J.C. Penny, a Western Auto, a dairy queen, and a couple of drugstores. How about? Howdy. My friend Alan's grandmother worked at McLeary's, which had a real old-fashioned soda fountain with circular stools and half-moon crescent counter. Most of whatever you needed, they stocked. Clothes, tools, magazines, dime store novels. They even sold records. Hey, how about that?

He said, I wouldn't know how in the Hell Motley crew would have formed in a town of 4,000 people. I was going to end up working on a farm. That's what I was going to do. That was my destiny. And I would have been the biggest rock fan on Earth and had the biggest vine. collection of anybody in Jerome, Idaho. Imagine that. Yeah, so if Jerome wasn't...

A big old hair tilling the fields. Well, if it wasn't so boring, he probably wouldn't the left and form Mottley crew. So the boring small town does push people out into things that they need to do. Push his creativity, man. That's it. Here's some reviews here. This place has 3.3 stars on niche, which is not good. Not good.

It's not good at all. Here's four stars. Jerome is a small town. We're aware of that. It's on small town murder. Everyone knows each other. The community is very good at sponsoring school functions and sports. The people here are very caring and donate a lot to their community.

I'm very grateful. I've been raised in a small town because it's taught me a lot. I've learned that you should keep good friends close and family is important. Okay. Here's three stars. I like that it's very quiet and nothing really happens. I love that. I love that nothing happens.

I would definitely like to see more people. expressing themselves and their opinions, which is the opposite of my view. I would like to see less people expressing themselves in their opinions. That's my opinion that no one else wants to hear. Also, he wouldn't appreciate that. No. This person just wants an echo jam. That's, yeah.

I want people to talk about. He doesn't want anything differing. Here's two stars. Not a bad place to be if you don't mind the country lifestyle. No movie theater, not much for outdoor activities. restaurants suck, but at least you can enjoy being away from the hustle and bustle. So there's nothing to do when everything sucks, but at least you're not in the damn city. Like, okay.

And the food's terrible. Well, here is the last line, which is my favorite. Honestly, I hate it, but I can see why some might enjoy it. Honestly, for me, it's terrible. For me, this is the worst, but some people enjoy it. Here's two stars, and this could really be a town review for basically any town in America outside of San Diego. quote, you just can't predict the weather. It could be sunny, then turn into a windy day.

Wind just comes? Wow, that's so weird. I've never lived anywhere where it gets windy sometimes, have you? That's real weird. If you can predict the weather, you wouldn't have weathermen, that's for sure. No, and that happens. Wind comes from another place. It's just how it works.

One star, they ticket out of state license plates for passing through. I would absolutely avoid driving through or stopping here. The judge will act as a state prosecutor and waste your day if you try to fight it. I would try to stay away and try to find other routes or other places to stop. You think this guy got a ticket while passing through town and then went all the way back there to try to fight it? Do you think that's what happened? I think that's what happened. That's the idea with those small towns.

They're speed traps and that's how they get their revenue so they keep everything else low for the residents. We've ranted and raved about that in Texas for. It's never stopped for me. My anger stays here. I was going 77. Trust me. It's what the goddamn cruise control is. I still got $280 of my money.

Man, people in this town, 12,182. So it's about tripled since Nikki Six was there in 1974 in 50 years or so. More men than women, which in a town that's over, you know, a thousand people, that usually means farm work or lumber or something like that's going on here. Just very, lots of manual labor. Median age here, 31.1, which is well below the national average. Young, yeah. It's about 38 and a half. We've got to be young to do that labor, too.

Family here, this is about 50-50 married. It's about average. A lot of people single with children also. So you're either married with kids or single with kids, but you got some kids. Either way there's kids running around. Which if there's a farm, you kind of need kids. That's why you have them. It's a workforce you put now.

You need some youthful folks, but not a none. I want a seven-year-old on the combine. You got to put out a workforce. Seven-year-old can collect eggs or whatever while the 12-year-old works the gum. The small hands can milk the teats much easier. Well, at least the smaller cows, you know. A race here, 61.8% white, 0.1% black. A lot of black people in Jerome, Idaho. 0.3% Asian, 36.2% of the people here are religious. It's 5050 in the rest of the country. And the biggest one here, it was a horse race, too. Oh, really? It's a horse. It's a horse.

race, but it's Catholic actually somehow because of the Hispanic population because second is Mormon, obviously, is LDS. So that's what they have there. And LES community is certainly trying to get that American. Oh, they're trying to recruit them. They're trying so hard. They're walking around the farms with their white shirts on going, excuse me. Big families. Yeah. Excuse me. There's a lot of tithing around here. Yep. Unemployment rate is low here. It's about 3.8%. If you can get your ass out on the farm, there's something to do. Median household income also love. lower than the national average, though. 54,535.

It's about 15 grand less than the national average. But the cost of living here overall, 100 is regular. Here, it's 89. Okay. It's a little bit low. Housing, though, median home costs $334,300 bucks. So not cheap. No.

Not a cheap place to live. No, it's not cheap. And if we've convinced you, damn it, the only place you could possibly call home is Jerome, Idaho. Well, we got something for you. We have the Jerome Idaho Real Estate Report. House number one seems extremely overpriced, in my opinion. It is a two-bedroom, one bath, 740 square foot place. It's a house, isn't it?

It's a little box of a house. Yeah, it's not a trailer or anything. There's a lot of those in Idaho. Yeah, these little house built in 1940. Yeah. These little tiny house, $219,000. My Christ. No land, nothing.

Nothing. Nothing. barely, you know, just the yard around your house. Next up here is a three-bedroom two-bath here. Oh, by the way, the two-bedroom rental average here is about 1,020, which is lower than the national average. That's good. This is a three-bedroom two-bath. This is a nice two-story house, front porch with a couple of pillars.

Nice walkway leading up to it. It's a nice house. Again, not a lot of land or anything like that. Inside, it could use a little updating, but it's not bad. It's a pretty decent house. Built in 1916. That's cool. too. Nice old house. $300,000

for that. A little bit more, but worth it. Yeah, right? Yeah, but you really got to redo the inside. This is the one. I mix this one up with the next one. This is the one that literally has thick green shag carpeting in it. God damn. Pink walls in some rooms. And like for myca-looking counters, like 50s look.

Like it looks like they redid it in like 73. And they were like perfect. And that's what's been since then. Then the next house is the newer one. That's right. This is a 1978. It's built, not new, but four bedroom, three bath, 3,875 square feet. It's just a big raised ranch, just a big, like, long-raised ranch.

Looks pretty flat around it, like it's not... Okay. Like, your yard goes into, like, a farm field after that, but that's not your property. Yeah, very Napoleon dynamite. Yes. Five and a half acre lot, 825,000 bucks for that. Holy fuck. A little pricey to be up there.

Then we'll add one more quick one. If you just want to buy some land here, 438 acres is on sale on Northside Jerome. That's all it says, Northside Jerome. $11,350,000. It's been on Zillow for two years, so I think you can probably talk them down and drop maybe. You may want to drop the price on that.

A little bit. Things to do here. Okay. We have the Jerome County Fair, of course. Of course. Got to have that. They have a bunch of car shit, like demolition type stuff and car shows. Idaho fucking loves a state fair.

They loves it. Yeah, they do. I think because there's a lot of rural places. So they like to gather and do something in a place. Because like they say, Jerome, not a lot going on here. Yeah. That's kind of thing. But they do them well.

I think they would have to. I don't know. Let's talk about it. Maybe we'll see how well they do it. I'm not sure. Let's hear. Tell me. Here's, they do the car shit.

They do the PRCA. pro rodeo. Yeah. Professional, yeah, rodeo cowboys, James, that's a real one.

Oh, no, I know. Rodeo will come up in our story plenty, don't you? Oh, yeah,

we got a rodeo guy here in the story. So there's some entertainment as well. Yeah. Here's Alex Clark. I don't think so.

It's, they got different stuff. They have what you think and then what you would never think. It's a real weird lineup. Alex Clark, who's got Tuesday,

6 and 8 p.m. He's doing two shows a day here. Wow. Get ready for a wild display of stand-up comedy and circus spectacle. Oh, boy. The picture of him is in like an alley, like jumping up with a bunch of tennis,

like he was juggling tennis balls and lost him or something. From juggling meat cleavers over a brave audience member to defying gravity atop a towering freestanding ladder, no ropes, no safety net. Alex masterfully balances it all while delivering mile a minute jokes just as sharp as his meat cleavers. You'll be gasping for air in both awe and laughter. This sounds like a nightmare. Yes.

Sounds like a nightmare. Sounds like he saw Penn and Teller and was like, I could do that, but by myself and not nearly as good. And nearly as well. Just very poorly. Yeah. Get yourself immune, Alex. Yeah.

You need one. Next up is Michael Mesmer, who does magic. He is an Asian guy with a weird haircut and a crazy, like, weird leather jacket that looks like he's from the future. It has like purple sleeves with stripes on it and shit. I don't know. He looks like he came from space. Oh, God.

It's very strange. He said, it says here he's named a top professional by the entertainment director of Universal Studios and one of the world's top hypnotists by NBC TV. I don't know. That's interesting. You can get Universal to tell. They just name you a top professional. They tap you. You, sir, are a top professional.

Not even by just by the entertainment director, the unnamed entertainment director of Universal Studios. It says for, for many years of outstanding performances in the fair industry throughout the U.S. and Canada. He's a fair regular. The Rocky Mountain Association of Fairs presented Michael with their Entertainer of the Year Award. Wow. Oh, yeah. There you go. He's a must-see attraction worldwide.

light, it says. Next up we got Carson Hatcher. Oh, boy. He's a fat guy and a cowboy hat with a guitar. Yeah. That's a countryman. Yeah. Singer-songwriter from Southern Idaho. He, uh, wow, he's always sought after the simple life, a piece of land, a smoking wife, a couple of kids and a bass boat, of course. You can get those things. Those aren't, those are fine things to get, but those are acquirable. Like a smoking wife, like with a two-pack habit, or you want one of the? Either way. Judging by the looks of him, I'm going to say he's hoping she's going to maybe change the two pack a day habit into maybe dipping pretty soon. Maybe get into some Copenhagen, but that's what I think.

And then there is, quote, local community entertainment. That's all they got? That's what they got. Then they have canine demonstrations. Uh-huh. Jerome High School dance team. Jesus. Oh, Christ.

Something more. it says, and then in parentheses, rock music. Yep. Line dancing with the Jerome County kickers. I think you're missing a word in there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The FFA Animal Safety presentation. Right.

How to get a dog not to bite you. So that's how that goes. I found some older things from the Jerome County Fair. 2020, they had Joe Mama's car show. And Neil, Ned Ladoe, I thought it was Neil. Ned Ledoo, whoever that is. Chris's brother.

Yeah. And mud drag racing. And a hypnotist also, obviously, got to have that. This is crazy. This is a small town festival. That's not... Idaho's much better than that for state fairs. I do know that.

I think Jerome's a pretty small county, though, basically. Yeah, I don't think they're getting the same. Nobody's coming. They don't even get one of the ludicry to come. Right. You're not getting anybody with name recognition. No. No. Crime rate in this town, what we're interested in here,

property crime is just below the national. average. Pretty goddamn close to it, though, to be living in the middle of nowhere. Then violent crime, murder rape robbery, and of course, assault. The Mount Rushmore of crime is about 20% below the national average. So, safe, but not as safe as it should be. Should be safer. To live in the middle of nowhere where you can't even get ludicrous to come to your county fair, you know? That said, can't get pizza delivery or ludicrous. Or ludicrous. What if ludicrous would deliver your pizza? Now you'd have something. Now I'm, now I'm looking at that house. I'm looking at that land.

to be honest. I'm going to take a mortgage. Yeah, big one. Delivered by Ludacry. Here he comes. One of them. The nice thing is there's so many ludicry you could send out 10, 12 them at a time delivering pieces. It's easy. Luticrous pizza and every pizza

is delivered by a ludicry. That's him. That said, let's talk about some murder. What do you say? Here we go. All right. This story is awesome. Not awesome in terms of, obviously. It's terrible. It's terrible. But it's a crazy story. is one of those stories that when you find it, you go, how is this not been told 100,000 times?

Everybody, no. How does everyone not know about this? Okay, let's start out February 15, 2016. So pretty recently. Very recent. Yeah. 10 years. This is in Star, Idaho, okay?

Yeah. It's about 125 in the afternoon. There's a man named J.D. Charbonneau. Yeah. Charbonneau here. He's 56 years old. And he calls at 1.25 p.m. calls the Ada County Police Dispatch and said he's been held hostage. He just escaped. He's out now. He's good now. But he said he'd been held hostage by a woman in the 12,600 block of Bambril Street in a home. So he just escaped. And he drove to a parking lot. It's nice that he had his car there, too. That's good. Yeah. That's good. When I'm kidnapped, I go, can you grab my car to?

at least when I leave, so I have a place to thank you. It's nice. It's more convenient that way. He said he escaped from the house and drove to a parking lot at the intersection of West Chinden Boulevard and Linder Road, where he called the police. So the deputies came to talk to him. This is quite the tale, my friend. Certainly, yeah. And they might have believed him, but there's a problem.

What happened? The problem is five minutes before he called 911, a woman called 911. And she resides also in the 12,600 block of West Gambrell Street. And she says, this guy named J.D. Charbonneau that I know. See, we used to date. We dated for a couple of months. I broke up with him and got a restraining order or filed for a protection order against him, which, by the way, is supposed to start, be active tomorrow on February 16th.

And I came home and found this J.D. Charbonneau guy in my closet with a medieval crossbow. What? That's what he brought to the house. And so he's now. Yes. He's getting out and ahead of this story saying, I'm not. She put me in the closet. The problem is she ran out of her home half naked and called the police first to at a neighbor's house.

He ran out and called him. Like, this lady, she's a crazy lady, kept me hostage. And they're like, weird, that's funny. There's a half-naked lady saying, it's a much different story than that. He's heard that old adage that there's this side, that story, and then somewhere in the middle is the truth. And he's trying to just make that middle as much softer. Skew it a little to one side, possibly. Wow.

So we got to find out more about this J.D. Charbonneau. He seems like a character. Interesting. The scary character. You don't want to, if there's a guy you filed for an order of protection and you open your closet, that's what everyone is scared of. If you come home to your house, it's all empty and quiet, you think no one's there and you go open your closet and there's a stranger in there. Terrifying. With a crossbow.

And it's someone you know and someone you're scared enough to have an order of protection filed against. That's terrifying. Uh-oh. So let's go back in time to 1984. Okay. and I go back 32 years to figure this whole thing out. And actually a little more than that. Sharbonneau was in his 20s, yeah?

At this point, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he's in his mid-20s. So, because he was, yeah, he was born in 1960. Yeah. So 1984, let's talk about a completely different person here. Mary Jean Arbaugh. Okay.

Or I'm sorry, Maryland, not Mary. Why do I say Mary? I'm looking at it and they said wrong. Marilyn Jean Arbaugh. Oh, so Marlowe. She'll also have a last name of Charbonneau that we'll talk about. Oh, is that right? Oh, yeah.

Now, she's born September 9, 1947 here. She's born in Wendell, Idaho. She's got parents named James and Mary Bell. James goes by Jim. He's Big Jim, the Idaho guy. And Maribel here and Mary Bell, not Maribel. Two separate words. Hey, everybody.

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Yikes. Yeah, that's crazy. They have little gravestones and everything. Terrible. Now, she was married until about 1981, Maryland here. She was married to... Merrill or Marilyn, the daughter. Oh, got it.

Okay. Marilyn, the woman we're talking about. Marilyn, Arbaugh, slash Charbonneau here. She was married to a guy named John Adamson. John Adamson and her were married for about six years, and they got divorced in 1981. Now, John Adamson has a brother that will come up later. So we'll talk about that.

Just remember the name Adamson, okay? Oh, I won't forget. Now, she has two daughters from previous relationships, Marilyn does. They're not John's kids. They're from previous relationships. She's got, by the 80s, she's a single mother with these two daughters, two teenage daughters. Her one daughter, Tiffany, T-I-F-F-N-I-E, Tiffany. Yep, yep.

That's not Tiffany. No, no, no, no. Tiffany is born, I don't know, 1968, Tiffany. Tiffany, she named her kid. Okay. I was like, wow, that is... Terrible name. That is very rural. Whoops a daisy. Yeah. Nobody told you, no. Yeah, you're missing a letter.

But, yeah. And then the other daughter, I don't know if it's Tyra or Tira, T-I-R-A. Now, the name, she's born in 1970, so I don't know if the name T-R-A was around that much. I didn't hear T-R-A-R-A-R-A. It might be T-I-R-A. It could have been a different name that she is just wrong because Tiffany isn't. Yeah. How did A-L-L-E-R-N-R-R-A?

Is Wiernos? Why did I do that? Wyrnors? Her girlfriend's name was Tila. Tila. This is Taira. Tila, not Tira. This is Tira. So we'll call her Tira. All right. She's born in 1970. Now, by the 80s, by 1984, they were all living in a rented ranch property outside Jerome here, where mom, Maryland, keeps horses and tends to horses.

Now, she's a waitress at the Butte Cafe. That's where she works. All right. Now, that's a bar restaurant type place. July of 1982, she meets herself a new man. She's a year divorced. She meets a man named Jamie Dean Charbonneau. You betcha. I know him as old. J.D. Charbonneau here. Now, she is about 10 years older than him, almost 11 years older than him. But man, do they hit it off. You bet. Oh, yeah. And it's one of those relationships that's made in the stars. He's a rodeo cowboy.

I was just going to tell you, that is a cowboy I've ever heard one. I mean, he's a rodeo cowboy. She's like a rural truck stop waitress or bar. Saloon waitress. I can smell the black coffee. This is, yeah. Both of their breath. It's made in heaven.

You got. And Marlboro's. You can just feel it. You know what I mean? So, Jamie Dean, by the way, his name, holy Jesus is it spelled a lot of different ways. When you're researching a guy like this, it is brutal because you have to research four different names the same way. Yeah. Okay.

Now, the way you see it spelled a lot is J-A-I-M-I. That's the way he spells it. Really? Later on when he publishes something, that's the name he's going to publish it under. Jamie like that, Dean Charbonne. Now, it's also spelled J-A-I-M-E in the newspaper a lot and in court documents as well. And it's also J-A-M-I-E and other things. And then sometimes he's just called J-D.

So this guy was really as hard as he is in real life to track down and figure out. He is as hard and slippery to figure out in the newspaper archives. Brutal. So, yeah, he's 24 in 1984. So he's about 22 when they meet in July of 82. And boy, do they hit it off, man. I'll tell you what. He is a rodeo guy.

He is a rodeo cowboy. Participates in rodeos. He's a real. He's a tough son of a bitch. known as a kind, a kind sort of cuss is what he is. Kind cowboy. That's right.

He wore crazy Western shirts with fucking with the decorative flap in the back and the bolow tie. I mean, he looks like, it's central casting. He looks like Taggart from blazing saddles, you know, like slim pickings

he looks like. That's how he dresses. It's wild. Where do you see what he wears to court? Oh my God. Okay. He wore it to court. I'll tell you later. So he's kind of a handsome guy, and he's like that in that handsome kind of cowboy way. He's a rugged guy.

Rugged cowboys get ladies, man. Especially up there where they don't mind a little dirt on the floor if you're coming from the field. So especially she's a horse person. Think about it. He's a rodeo guy. She's a horse person. And kind of known as a drifter. He's known as a guy.

He'll drift where the rodeo goes. A little instability. He can shoe a horse, no problem. He's one of those kind of guys. So, 1983, they get married. The attraction is just too strong, obviously. Can't keep away from this. So they get married.

And her friends say that he's kind of macho, like, when it comes to being possessive of Maryland, which, you know, he's kind of a cowboy kind of a guy. Like, he'll tell everybody, I don't know if you know it or not, but I'm Marilyn's husband. Like, he'll tell him, like, almost like it's like. On intro. Yeah. Yeah, not like, hi, I'm Marilyn's husband. I don't know if you know it or not. Like, I know that you're trying to finger a minute ago, even though you're just saying hello, but I'm her husband.

So watch out. Like, it's that kind of shit. Case you ain't heard. Occasion, which, I mean, that also comes with being young sometimes. Sure. When you're 22, you have a weird energy for, like, jealousy and possessiveness that you just don't have in your 40s. It should dissolve prior to 30, but sometimes it doesn't. By 35 should be, it's over.

You should be humbled. You should be. So many times. So many times. Yeah. By 45, it's like, hey, can you keep it down fucking the neighbor? Because I'm, this is on right now. The game's on, please.

If you're going to stick around, I appreciate it. Yeah. Just enough with the moaning. Just let me know. Yeah. I'll leave. Stop saying you hit it better than my husband. Stop saying that.

Could you keep that part down? It's distracting. He never hits me there. Yeah. So Marilyn here, she's got some, the two of them have a volatility to them. Oh, boy. I don't know if they. Well, jealousy?

Too much time around them wild horses or what? Yeah. It's just rubbed off on them. But she at one point, this is crazy, she went with her father, James, to the prosecutor, the county prosecutor whose name is Dan Adamson. Does that sound familiar? Oh, hey, I remember that guy. That's John's brother.

That's her ex-husband's brother is the county prosecutor. This is all, wow, this thing is all intertwined small town shit here. So she went to press charges against J.D. for domestic violence. Uh-huh. Adamson declined it. He said, I won't press charges because he ruled it, quote, mutual combat. What? Mutual combat because Marry's.

Marilyn admitted to him in the whole story that she hit JD with a frying pan in the head. First or in retaliation. It doesn't matter. That's what he said, though. He was like, well, I mean, once you hit him with a frying pan, I think you're all even up now, right? Did it have his breakfast in it? Let me ask you this. Did it have his breakfast in?

Well, I think a frying pan to the head and his eggs on the floor is plenty. I think it's all solved now. That's crazy. He scrambled his eggs and scrambled his eggs. I think everybody goes to jail, right? In that situation? I've never heard of the legal term of mutual combat. Well, there is something called mutual combat, but that's like if you're like two people out that are adults and you're like, you know, both agreeing to fight and all that, there's states that have mutual combat laws.

But it's not at home between a husband and white. Yeah, right. That's not the loss. That's called domestic violence. That's not two guys in a parking lot that agreed to settle their different laws. Mutual combat should be drawn at the line of same gender. The second that a lady's involved with the dude, that's just domestic violence. And also a weapon is involved.

Once a frying pan's in the mix. I don't think mutual combat, you can't pick up a two by four and whack the guy with it. I think we're talking fisticuffs at that point. I'll go one step further, James, and say even if he loses the battle against her, he still goes to jail. Well, she should do. They both go to jail. You can't hit people with a fucking frying pan? No, there's that too, yeah.

But I mean, if he hit you first, I guess, you can hit him with the frying pan. That's what I mean. We don't know, we don't know, if she hit him with a frying pan and then he whacked her back, what is that? They should both go to jail at that point. Yeah, if she instigates it for sure. Yeah. If she's returning fire, I guess it's okay, especially because he's like a rodeo cowboy. Like, he's a pretty rugged cat.

Like, it's not like she's fighting. Right. That guy wrestles 1,200 pounds. An 80-year-old man. 10 years younger than her. Yeah, mammals. That's crazy. So that's, he's, someone should be going.

to jail, but he said, no, it's mutual. You got him. Y'all are even. Okay. I don't like the phrase mutual combat when it comes to domestic violence at all. It's crazy. It's crazy. Man and wife in the kitchen is not mutual combat with fucking bacon all over the house because that's crazy. August 3rd, 1983. This is in Shoshone, Idaho. Jamie's in his truck, JD. And Marilyn walks up. Jesus Christ With a 22 caliber pistol And unloads it into the side of his vehicle

Just those go through that Empties the clip into the side The bullets hit him in the right elbow and leg Yes Yes she is charged with aggravated assault For that That's not mutual combat The charges in this town are crazy chimps

That's attempted murder That's no aggravated assault I mean it was a 22 You know I mean she could She could have got a bigger gun if she really won't have hurt him. I think that's honestly what we're talking about.

Square body Chevy. Those generally stop those. We know. Yeah. She expected the door panels to keep them bullets. I don't think this is really that bad. What the fuck is happening? She did this.

One of the bullets remained lodged in his elbow forever because the doctors feared removing it would make him cost him the use of his arm. It would fuck everything up because it was splintered a little bit. So they said, just leave it. So he's going to have a 22 slug. his arm forever. So according to reports of why she shot him, this makes a lot of sense. She alleged, and we don't know the veracity behind it, but the allegation, and the reason

why we don't know the veracity of it, because it was never brought to court, because charges are real nebulous in this town. She alleged that he tried to sexually abuse her 13-year-old, who was... who was Tyra at this point. So we don't know what happened here. Now, this was denied by both the daughters under oath at a later date that he ever molested them. They both said it didn't happen. But she said, well, I shot him because he went after my 13-year-old, which would be reasonable.

But I guess you can't really arrest him for that if the kid says that didn't happen. Then it just looks like she's making an excuse for shooting him. We're not sure. And it's, you know, 1983. There's no way to really figure it out at this point. Either way, shit is crazy in this relationship. It's past the point, way past the point of time to break up this family. He hits her.

She hits him of the frying pan. They're still together. She thinks that he's molesting the kid shoots him multiple times. They still stay together after that, even though it's crazy. So the assault charges against her for shooting him were later dropped because this is the wildest shit. at the time, she had a no contact order against him. Uh-huh. So he shouldn't have been there at all.

He technically violated the no-contest order, so it was like, well, you got what you deserved, so they dropped the charges. You're allowed to shoot someone who comes near. Okay. Regardless of the allegations of child molestation, he's here and shouldn't be. So she just returned fire. Just fire away, my friend. Sometimes fire is returned without any fire volley in the first place.

Oh, no. Yeah. And then she didn't even... Just her presence is fire volley. She didn't even have to break out the molestation card because she had it. Who cares? He shouldn't have been there. Shouldn't have been there.

The Lincoln County prosecutor, Doug Rose, had told Charbonneau to stay away. And he didn't. So, you got what he wanted. But she kept coming back to him. He kept coming back to her. As soon as he got out of the hospital, they were back together again, all stitched up with a bullet in his arm. Fiery sex, is that it?

It has to be. It has to be. It has to be. It has to be. Think about it. Like fiery, like Johnny Walker Red-fueled stinky sex. She does that thing on the tip of his dick that nobody else does. And no one does.

And, yeah, that's it. It's got to be. Two pairs of boots on the floor. Yeah, but waiting. So now, Tira, or Tira, said that she had heard during this time period, J.D. threatened to kill her mother if he ever caught her with another man. Which in this relationship, that seems implied, right? Like the way they go out it together.

I feel like death threats are kind of implied. Feels like that's mutual combat. Yeah, at that point. Both sides. Yeah. that she could have got married okay over the years because this is going to drag on but first names pick one that's amazing she said this is her summation of their relationship quote they loved a lot they fought a lot they laughed a lot they cried a lot yeah that's called a terrible relationship

toxic as fuck she's trying to quote make make picture frames because that's for james that goes around the edges that's right there she's trying to produce they love Now, Tiffany, in 1984, Tiffany has a boyfriend named Bart. Of course his name is Bart. Why not? Again, Blazing Saddles. Bart was his name. Who lived at the house on and off. He'd just come and go.

With the family? With the family. She's 16, by the way. Yeah. Perfect. So this whole thing is... Perfect. Wow.

This is like one big boiling pot of riceroni that's just... Not good. You put too much butter in and it's going to overflow. It's a lot. Now, June 13th, 1984, they get a divorce. Who, J.D. and Maryland? In Maryland?

Really? Yeah, they do get a divorce. Okay. Marilyn goes back to using Arbaugh, her maiden name and everything like that. But even after their divorce, he would still introduce himself as her husband whenever that kind of thing went on. So I don't know if you know it, but I'm Marilyn's husband. Now, June 21st, 1984.

Yeah. This is wild. Okay. This is eight days after the divorce was finalized. Just happened. Marilyn is finishing her shift at the Butte Cafe, eating a taco salad, which I'm sure is lovely in an Idaho bar in 1984. Bet it's still the best fucking one, best thing on the menu. It is a can of chili.

Yeah. If that. Yeah. Can of chili on, I'm assuming iceberg I think they're going to go with. Probably. Which is fine. You think there's a spring mix anywhere near this motherfucker? No, no, no. There's no, there isn't a shred of a fucking leaf of arugula within a hundred miles of this joint.

No, Romaine even. Nothing like that. No, no. And I'm wondering how bad the shell is here on a taco set. I bet it's just in a bowl. And they're like, there's taco stuff in there. It's pre-made. It's pre-made.

Crushed up tortilla trips, probably, maybe. Yeah. So she's finishing that up. And in walks J.D., which you just, you know, you pictured the saloon doors opening and, like, the shadow going. Yeah. He comes in with his chest. Just swaying. His foot step creates dust.

Yeah. Oh, for sure. I think everything creates dust in this town. You think so? It feels like a place where even on wet concrete, if you step on it, a dust cloud pops up for some reason. It's weird. So he walks in the bar at about the same time another patron walks in. And this guy just had some kind of big, like windfall, the guy who walks in.

And he says, round a drinks for the house. house on me. Uh-huh. That's going to be a popular guy, right? You bet. What a nice guy. He walks in first thing. Everybody have one on me.

Well, everyone's real happy about that except for JD. He's got some pride. No, he doesn't have some pride. He's got jealousy. He said, how dare anybody buy a drink for my wife? It wasn't for his wife. It was for the house, including you, stupid. Yeah.

But he took that as, you're buying my wife a drink. Them's five words. Yeah, there is something with cowboys about it. Yeah. That's ridiculous. Get over yourself. If someone buys a round of a drink, say thank you. Drink your drink and shut the fuck up. What are you so crazy about, people? I bought a round of drinks at a, it's a cowboy bar in the middle of fucking nowhere in Arizona.

And two cowboys at the end of the bar declined. It said, none for us, thanks. And they bought their own beers. Yeah. I was like, all right, whatever. Yeah, that's called stupid, I think. You can call it pride, but it's stupid. I think it's afraid of being gay.

I don't know what it is. Yes, no, it's all those things. Just have a drink. It's really a potpourri, honestly. Yeah, and I wasn't even flexing. There was like seven people. I was just like, this should be fun. Yeah, this will be fun.

I've always dreamed of doing this. Seven people, I can afford that. You can't do that around that type of person, though, because they think they're, I'm too good. You think you're better than me? You think you're better than me? That's the other thing, too. Look at him walking and thinking he's better than everybody else, buying a drink.

I'm going to be generous. Crazy. Weird. Those are people that don't spend enough time around women. They're out of their minds. Too many, too much time. Because if there was a woman there, they go, it's wrong with you. You know what I mean?

By everybody. Guys being generous. What is, why are you weird? Have a drink. Have a drink. I'm going to have a fuck down. I'll have yours, you fucking. Yeah.

I'll take three. Mine and these two idiots. Thank you. So he gets pissed off. So Marilyn goes out. later on, and so does J.D. He follows her out.

Yeah? And then she's gone. She just disappears on her own. We don't know. They both went outside, and then they're both gone. Okay. So the next time anyone sees her as 2 a.m. Yeah. This is where two women from Lewiston were stopped at an intersection

when, near Wendell, Idaho. When Marilyn leaps out of her. a Fiat station wagon screaming, please help me. He's had me out all night and won't take me home. Oh my God. Runs up to their car,

waving, like jumping on their hood like creep show for Christ's sake. So she has red marks on her neck, too, that they can see clearly in the dark even, like just in the light of the car. And she says he's been strangling me. Look at my neck. And you could see it. I didn't know the Fiat made a wagon.

Neither did I. That was shocking. I don't know where she got that. That had to be from the 70s, too. That's because Fiat was doing a lot in the 70s, but I'm not sure. I've never seen a Fiat wagon. That's crazy. Me neither.

I'm sure they exist. It's only three people. Yeah. Sure they exist in Italy or something, but I, you know, not here. I didn't think. But either way, I don't know how it got to Idaho. Marilyn reports to police that J.D. had kidnapped her. He abducted her outside in her own car, so get into the car outside of her job,

choked her unconscious, drove her to Lincoln County and raped her. Wow. This is a kidnapping rape now. They're not, you know, that's what it is, period. Right. I mean, he knows her and all, but you still can't kidnap and rape people. That's crazy. So she escaped when the car stopped at a stop sign and she saw that other car.

She made a run for it. He looked away for a second. She just jumped out. Good work. Took off. Now, her car was later found high-centered, you know, stuck in the middle of the car, on a rough road in another county, completely, completely burned. Let it on fire.

High centered it and burned it. Huh. That's where they find it. Now, the VIN numbers had been scratched out and literally taken off the car in all the obvious locations, the dashboard and the doorframe. Yeah. There was a secret VIN in a hidden location that law enforcement knew where to look for it. Yeah. On the motor block.

Exactly. Yeah, where it's hard to get to if you're going to scrape it off. It's underneath the car. You're not getting a file in there. Nope. So that's where it was found. Now, the land it was found on, J.D.'s grandfather used to own that land. Classic.

It's all pretty tight, tied together. So June 25, 1984, a warrant is issued for J.D.'s arrest for kidnapping and rape. Jesus, Jay. Yeah. So finally some charges are happening here. But he's on the run. He took off. Apparently, he was hitchhiking through Nevada at one point.

Okay. A cowboy named Gary from Elko, Nevada. He told this guy that he was a rodeo clown from Arizona. He told Gary that? He tells Gary from Elko, I'm a rodeo clown from Arizona. And he said, well, what you're doing here in Elko? And he said, counting studs for the government. Which I didn't know they still did that past the 1870s.

I wasn't aware that they were still like wild ones? We were hiring people, cowboys, to do stud counts out in the wild. I didn't realize that was a thing still. There's like 30 of them. We're all right. I'd like to know. Yeah, I'd like to know that if that's where our tax dollars are going. I'd really like to know why.

That seems wasteful. Seems a bit wasteful. So this was Gary Stoll was the cowboy he ran into here. And this was on June 26th, the day after the warrant was issued. And he was counting studs for the government. So this guy gave J.D. a ride from Southern. Wow. O-W-H-Y-E-E-O-Y-Y, O-Y, O-Y, County, which was from about 25 miles north. And J-D continues his story by saying, see, I was out there counting the studs, you know, for the government.

Lost track? And all. No, no, no, didn't lose track. I was on my horse, see. and my horse got spooked by some rattlesnakes. Uh-huh. You know. Rund off? Well, and he don't tuck off on me now because the rattlesnakes spooked him.

And my pickup truck done run out of gas in the Sheep Creek area there. So, you know, that's a problem. All my modes of transportation are out. I got nothing. You know, the snakes are out. The horses just run. Now, then there's another guy, Albert Baranaga, who manages range operations in the county. and in northern Nevada for Simplot Livestock Company.

He said J.D. introduced himself on June 26 as Sam. Okay. He's got a Sam name, all right. Baranaga, who said he knew J.D. as a youth but didn't recognize him that day. They knew each other, actually, but he didn't recognize him. He said that he claimed to be counting wild horses for the government and claimed he was from Montana this time. So now he's Sam from Montana, not, you know, whoever. from Arizona.

This guy said that he went to the camp to meet his wife and daughters and found J.D. there when he arrived at the Simplot camp. Simplot, L-O-T? L-O-T, yeah, Simplot, livestock company. I'm not sure Simplot. J-D had said his pickup truck was out of gas and his horse ran away during the night, but he made no rattlesnake mention this time. Now the horse just ran off on his own.

Now he's just another stud to count. That's all. It's just a real willy-nilly horse had. That's it. Baranaga said, yeah, he knew J.D. as a youth because his grandfather owned property in the area for some years now. Yeah. So that's interesting. So that's his story.

He's on all different stories here. He's out of gas. He's doing that. Now, Baranaga, the first guy or the second guy here, said he pressed Charbonneau for information on what agency employed him. Who's paying you money? to just ride around counting things. There's got to be a more scientific way to do it than to send a guy out on a horse to count. I mean, we got tags on sharks in the ocean.

Couldn't we do that on the left? That seems much easier. This is the 1980s, not the 1880s. Maybe in the 1880s you'd send a guy out there on a horse, but I think there's better ways to do. We have planes we could send over to take pictures and figure it out. It seems great. So, bear or not. Which department of the interior is doing this?

Who's doing this? and he got no response really. So Baranaga said, I wasn't satisfied with the answers he gave me. We like to know who's out there and what they're doing. We like to be super nosy being everybody's business because, you know, freedom and all. This is what I mean. This is hilarious, these people.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So the day after Charbonneau left the camp, workers found a burned vehicle in the southern part of the county that was identified as the fiat that was high-centered. And that was in a place where his grandfather used to own land. By the way, both witnesses here remember Charbonneau carrying a backpack that's the same one that Marilyn used as a purse. Oh.

So he's carrying a lady's purse backpack as well. Yeah. So she jumped out of a car and then he took off with it and then got high-centered and lit it on fire. That's what he did in another area in another county and then hitchhiked through. into Nevada with these people and said that rattlesnakes done scared off his horse. Yeah. And get me back to my rodeo cowboy in days. That's it.

So it's a lot. So like I said, they find the car. They find the VIN number. They identify it as Marilyn's car. So by June 28, he's still a wanted fugitive for kidnapping and rape. Yeah. And he walks into a hardware store in Gooding, Idaho. Yeah.

And purchases a Remington 22 caliber rifle. and two boxes of ammunition, which you can absolutely do while you're literally wanted for kidnapping and rape. Fascinating. That is wild. He will tell people it's a graduation gift for Tyra, who's 14, so I don't know what she's maybe eighth grade, junior high, she's graduating. Well, I had the money now. I figure. So I'll put it away.

Just in case. It ain't going to go bad. It's all right. Case I'm out of money in four years. It makes no sense. And also, I'm buying a gift for the daughter of the woman who I'm wanted for kidnapping and raping. And she hates me. Oh, yeah.

And I buy her guns also. And she has protection orders against me. If in case a man treats you like I treat your mama, you're going to need this one day. You know exactly what I mean to. You've seen it. You've seen it. So June 30th, 1984. He's still out there.

Now, this night, Marilyn goes out. She's going out to hang out and party this night. And there's a waitress named Chris Smart, who is also at the Butte cafe here. Sure. And she said that she had been invited by Marilyn to go to Gooding, the town of Gooding on June 30th, when Marilyn and her younger daughter, Tira, ate dinner at the cafe during Chris Smart's shift. So her and her daughter came in, Tyra, and Marilyn came in. And they said, hey, Marilyn said, you should come with me to Gooding tonight. Yeah.

Later on, Marilyn came back into the cafe and said she decided to go to Twin Falls instead because J.D. supposedly had been spotted in Gooding. Right. And she was afraid of him, she said, and she didn't want to go there. I don't want to see him. No. So Chris Smart said that Marilyn told her if she went by herself, he'd get his hands on her again. Oh. So she didn't want to go by herself.

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Okay, so she goes out that night and hangs out and parties in another town, Twin Falls. Twin Falls, yeah. July 1st, 1984, the next morning, 30 days in June. 10.30 a.m., Maryland returns to the ranch after being out all night. This is her first time home.

Here. Now, this is the rented ranch, L Rancho 93 on Highway 75 northeast of Jerome. So rural area. The girls are home when she gets there. Tiffany is reading. So hard to say Tiffany. I'm never going to not. I hate that. And Tyra's getting ready to take a bath. Okay. So it's a leisurely morning here. Yeah, pretty decent day. 11 a.m.ish, Marilyn goes outside to check on some horses that she saw that went into the wrong corral. So she's going to go grab those horses and bring them on back. Okay.

Now, sometime after 11 a.m., because she went out about 11, sometime the times are kind of shaky here, Tiffany hears gunshots. Oh. Tiffany's inside, but she hears gunshots. Now Tiffany, rather than she doesn't like call 9-1-1 or anything, she runs into her mother's room and grabs her mother's 22-caliber Ruger pistol. Yeah. From behind the radio of Marilyn's side table there.

And she runs outside toward where she thinks the gunshots came from with it. Dang. So Tiffany is down. She is not fucking around. She's not fucking around. She's about to get jumping to jump into the cricks over here. I know where the gun is. I'm running towards the gunshots.

Tiffany's rugged. I like her. Yeah. So what she finds here is crazy. She runs out to the barn and finds her mother, Marilyn, sitting on the ground in the alleyway between the corrals and the potato barn. Uh-huh. We got both.

And she's sitting there and there's blood on her. All right. She looks up and sees J.D. Charbonneau standing close by pointing the 22 Remington that he just bought. for Tyra's graduation, pointing it at Maryland. Tiffany tells J.D., get out of here. I'm going to call the police. She's holding her gun on him and says, get out of here.

I'm going to call the police. J.D. says, I'm going to take your mom to the doctor. Yeah. And then Marilyn and J.D. Both tell Tiffany to leave. Go. Go inside. Get out of here.

Which makes sense for Marilyn because she's protecting her daughter. Right. If there's a guy with a gun and he's dangerous, you know, you just want her out of that situation. Don't worry about saving me. You go. Yeah. And he means business because I'm wounded. There's blood.

Exactly. So that's Marilyn being a good mom trying to protect her kid because she could have said, you know, shoot him. Getting a shoot out with him right now. Instead, she said, you fuck off. Go away. Let me deal with this. Throw down, girl. Throw down, girl.

So Tiffany goes inside. She leaves, but first grabs her mother's car keys. because I guess she got a new car. She got a new Fiat, apparently. And that's so J.D. can't drive away in her mom's car in her mind. Now, 1138 is when she runs to the shop across from the cellar and calls to Jerome County Sheriff's Office. Tiffany does. And in her words, Jamie shot my mom, she says.

She said, they both looked at me, referring to Charbonneau and the mother. And Charbonneau ordered her to leave in a loud, angry voice. and her mother told her to go away also. So she said she just ran over, called 911 and told him that Jamie just shot my mom. So the sheriff here, Sheriff Hall, he gets called at 1147 a.m. after all this. And so they're all aware of it as well, this particular sheriff. So Tiffany then goes back in the house and gets Tyra out of the bathtub. Says, let's go, pruned girl, move out of here.

Both girls get dressed. Tyra throws on Tiffany's boyfriend's Barts, boyfriend Barts, oversized pants and big boots that are too big for her. Now, they're like dressed and they're kind of scared. They don't know what to do. Now, between 1138 and 1142, this is when the sheep wagon comes into play here. The girls run outside and take cover behind a sheep wagon, some kind of wagon that I assume you take sheep in.

It's a sheep transport mechanism of one way or another. Yeah. So this is near the corral. They're calling for their mother and not hearing anything. They're just hearing silence. Tiffany is shaking. She still has the 22 pistol. She's got her hands behind her back with the pistol.

She's shaking and accidentally squeezes one off, she says. Which in this situation is much different than that normally means that phrase. So she squeezes a shot off by accident. It nearly hits the family dog. What? Behind her by accident. Gravel sprays against the side of the barn. Tyra screams.

The dog fucking starts barking and freaking out. The dog runs away. Runs away. So she said at that point she heard about five more gunshots. Oh, shit. And she said, I was too scared to be counting them. She said, Tyra said later on. So the girls then run back inside the house.

and Tiffany hides the pistol. Tyra changes in her own clothes, and when she's pulling her pants on, she hears more gunshots. Oh, my God. Outside. Okay. So the girls, after a minute,

they get dressed and they go run back outside to the alleyway into the horse barn or potato. They call it the potato barn, too. Tiffany gets there first, and she finds Marilyn lying on her back with her arms over her head. She's got blood on her. Tiffany lifts up her shirt and sees blood everywhere.

Everywhere. Holes and everything else. So on her chest running from her mouth and nose. Tyra brushes her hand across her mother's cheek, too, she said, and it was bloody. Yeah. Tiffany says one minute she was looking at me the next she wasn't. I knew she was dead, so I closed her eyes. Which is, this is a horrible scene for these girls.

JD is nowhere to be found. Gone. He took off? Took off, but not in a car. because they took the keys. Right. So he took off. So by the time the officers reached the ranch here,

Marilyn's in the barn, and they find Marilyn already deceased of her wounds. They find her, same thing on her back, arms above her head, blood pooled beneath her. The scene was consistent, they said, with a prolonged attack, not a single exchange of gunfire.

Okay. A sustained barrage over time, as we'll find out how many wounds she has. It's crazy. She was shot. for a while? Yes. And they think about it.

They heard gunshots one time, went outside. There was more gunshots. They ran inside, then heard more gunshots. Oh, boy. Then ran outside. Somewhere in there, they squeezed off a round two. So about 20 minutes after this all happens, while the police and the crime scene and the, you know,

the coroner and everybody's trying to figure everything out, J.D. is found. Oh, where'd he go? He's arrested. They found him on foot in a field. behind the barn. Not very far. Just out back? A little bit. I mean, it's a distance, but it's not miles. They also discovered a 22 caliber rifle about 100 yards away.

They just left in the field. No one will find that there. That's fine. So that's what they're doing here. They had sought additional law enforcement, like, agencies were coming from all around the state to try to find this guy. And he's like in a yard. He's just right there. Yeah. Now, they arrest him. without resistance, no anything. He says no problem. He's in a wheat field near the barn. The Remington 22 rifles on the ground nearby, nearby 200 yards away, not 100.

So the autopsy of Maryland. This is brutal. She was struck by at least 15 bullets. Dang. That's a lot from a 22 caliber. 15 to 16. There's some discrepancy here. The wounds were distributed across,

her body in a pattern that indicated she was in multiple positions during the shooting. That's how they know it was prolonged. Sitting, lying, moving, trying to escape all different places. Three entrance wounds in the upper right chest clustered within a four inch circle.

They said any one of those could have been the fatal shot. One severed the main artery from the heart, the autonomous artery during near the aorta causing massive hemorrhaging. and also a collapse of the lung filling with blood, too.

So that was the cause of her death. Gunshot wounds to the chest, hemorrhage shock, all that. Additional wounds, three bullet wounds to the left thigh. One fractured her femur, as a matter of fact. Three rear entry wounds to the left shoulder and back in the back of the neck in the back of the right calf. That's her when she tried to leave. Yeah.

And wounds to the hands, wounds to the arm, defensive wounds as well. This was a brutal, brutal attack over multiple different times and positions. Whoever did this, well, we know who did it, it seems like, but whoever did this definitely had a chance to stop and chose not to. Yeah, and yeah, it was certainly proving a point. Yep. Now, the wounds they make later on these life-sized models and x-rays are used by the pathologist to show where the bullets entered the body. here one shot, like we said, shattered her thigh bone. Any of the four shots fired into the chest could have torn the two arteries that would have caused death in five minutes or less.

One wound was made by holding the muzzle of the gun tightly under her left breast and shooting. So right up against it. Okay. Now, the Remington rifle was discovered in the wheat field, obviously. when it was found, it had three live rounds still in the magazine. Still in it, yeah. Okay. Now, Maryland's 22 pistol was found in the house where Tiffany had hidden it after the accidental discharge.

A 22 shell casing was found in the sheep wagon. Okay. Discharged into that where Tiffany had hidden it. She hit it in there after the accidental discharge. That was the gun. Okay. And then the shell casing was near the sheep wagon. they hid behind. The casing will become a very, very, very, very big part of this case.

That one casing, which makes no sense. Now, all the recovered bullets matched the Remington 22 rifle that he purchased days earlier and dropped in a field on the run. Interesting. No bullets from the Ruger pistol, Ruger pistol that Tiffany had were recovered from Maryland's body. None. Yeah. So that's important to remember. wound trajectory and positions proved that Marilyn was shot first while sitting on a bail or a chair, then while lying on her back. Okay. Now, the issue is, though, she has 16 entry wounds.

And 15, if you want to go, if you want to say, we'll give them that. It's 16, but 15 will even give them that. Okay. But only 14 bullets were missing from the ammunition that Charbonneau purchased. they found three live rounds. Uh-huh. And the rest in the box. And there is only 14 bullets missing.

So that gun only shot her 14 times, but she's got 16 entry wounds. What? Yeah, that's what I mean. This is mind-boggling, this whole thing. Fucking mind-boggling. Okay. Well, hmm. Yeah, I try to explain that one.

So, I mean, that rifle holds. 20 rounds, or 10 rounds, I mean. So that's 20, right? And he's got three left in there. She's been shot. There's 14, 14 bullets were shot from the ammo he bought. That's it. That's what we know.

So he discharged 14 rounds based on the ammo he had, unless he picked up two bullets somewhere randomly, which I highly down. Why would he do that? Two extras hanging around. Why? He bought two boxes with the gun. And he was using that ammo.

Why would he throw a couple more? It wouldn't make sense. So it doesn't make any sense. There's 14 bullets missing, but 16 entry wounds. So that's a problem. Now, the medical examiner offered several possible explanations. One, missed exit wounds. Maybe that was an exit wound, and we thought it was an entrance wound, which happens all the time.

The bullets sharing an exit hole, which would be perfect. That would be incredible. Ricoshaes, which is a lot. Inside the body, yeah. No, I think he means you shoot, it comes out and then comes back and hits her again, which I don't see that happening. That seems crazy. Fragmentation, a bullet through the hand entering the body somewhere else. Now, if you go like this and it goes through your hand and your chest, that's two entry wounds right there.

Sure. Also, fragmentation of like a bullet going in and breaking apart and then maybe a piece of it coming back out. Absolutely. Or hitting something on the way in, fragmenting it. any of those. Or the possibility that Marilyn coughed up a bullet lodged in her throat before she died as well. Okay. Now, the sheriff says we have the guy in custody.

This is Jerome County Sheriff Elza Hall. And he said that the shooting occurred on the ranch. And it's all very sad. And he said, you know, he didn't know if the woman was forced from the house and taken to the barn or if she's outside and by her on her own account. They don't know. He said that the number of shots aimed had not been determined, even though it was. This is what they're telling the press. They said there was a lot of gunshot wounds.

The main ones that killed her were to the chest. That's the sheriff's official statement, the main ones. Now, this sheriff also acknowledged that, yes, we have had warrants issued for this guy in both Jerome and Gooding counties for over a week in a related incident with this victim. He said the bond was set at 50,000 on the Jerome County kidnapping charge and the same amount on the rape charge as well. Now, they get, he's arrested, so they get J.B. into the interrogation room. And you know what these cowboys are? They're independent sorts. How do you mean?

Well, the independent sorts, they don't need no suit and tie bloodsucker coming on in here and using up all my money and all that kind of thing. I can explain my own way out of this. Is that right? I don't need no lawyer. I don't need me in one of them lawyers. So this is wild. This is his story. He said, yeah, I knew there was a warrant and stuff.

But you know what? I just had to get back to my baby. That's all it was. Maryland is his baby. That's right. Yeah. Sometime in late June, he returned to Jerome and he said he didn't go to the police to turn himself in. No, he went to her potato cellar.

Yeah. Or the tack room, one or the other. I guess he went back and forth. He says, that Marilyn knew he was there. Yeah. Not only was he there, he said, I wasn't hiding. She knew I was there, which we know isn't true because the night before, she didn't even want to go to a county that she heard he was going to be in.

Yeah. So I don't think she would be happy with him living on her property for days. Probably not. Yeah. But he said she knew he was hiding there. He claimed that, quote, he and Marilyn had reconciled and were going to live together again, but that she wanted him to stay in the barn until she broke the news to. were daughters. Oh.

He was coming back. One of a big surprise. Oh, yeah. This is wild. So he said he had the Remington rifle in two boxes of ammo. And he said that, you know, Marilyn knew he was there, didn't want the daughters to find out. He says that night, that day, they made love. And they made love for the last few days.

Just, you know, it's been, it's been beautiful. Me and my baby out in a potato barn just rolling around. Isn't that romantic? I never want to be arrested in a time where you have to describe any kind of lovemaking ever. No, especially this cowboy. We made love. So what of it? It's really funny.

So he said they looked at the rifle that he bought for Tyra. He says they were getting along well. He also says he slept on the floor and went without food from Thursday until Saturday evening. That's dangerous. That's a long time. He says he slept on. on the floor and went without food. He said on July 1st, he'd been hiding in the potato cellar across from the driveway,

across the driveway from the house. And he had the rifle, had the ammunition. And according to his testimony later than what he says to these people, he came to the barn that more. Marilyn came to the barn that morning. They talked. And she picked up the 22 caliber rifle and took it to the house to remove a scope site that had come with it.

I'll go ahead and take the scope off. Tyra, don't need no scope. He said that Marilyn told him that she was going to tell the girls that day that he was there and would let Tyra take the gun to the gun range and let her sight it in. Oh, minus the optics? Yeah, just with the straight sights. So, J.D. said that when Marilyn came back to the barn, she had a handful of bullets and loaded the rifle. All right. He said that after going out to the corrals to move some horses, he and Marilyn returned to the barn.

He said he asked Marilyn where she had been all night. Yeah. Where have you been last night? Yeah. And Jesus, this is, he's, this is like an old song here. He's sleeping instead in the pines. He's in the fucking potato barn. So he said that, you know, she told, where have you been all night?

She told him that she told him that he thought she was sleeping with every guy in the valley. That's what she's. You think I'm sleeping with everybody. He said that Marilyn picked up the rifle, pointed at him. Nice. And told him that he was dead and that no other woman was going to have him. Oh. Yeah.

She flipped it. Yeah. She flipped it. Yeah. He said he heard a click, like an empty chamber there. And at that point, he grabbed the barrel of the rifle and wrestled it away from her. Pulled it away. That's right.

He said at that point that Marilyn screamed for Tiffany to bring Marilyn's shotgun to her and that when he got the rifle away from Marilyn, she turned and ran. He said that he saw Tiffany coming from the house and that he had the rifle at his hip and he thought Marilyn might be going to run around and get another gun. So he said he closed his house. eyes and the gun went off several times. Several times. God damn.

I closed my eyes and just went off. I didn't even squeeze the trigger. It just started spraying. And you know what? My gun's a good shot, I guess. He said he opened his eyes and Marilyn was on her knees and bleeding. Yeah. Okay.

He said that Marilyn, several times. Several times. He said Marilyn told Tiffany to leave and that he told Tiffany to call an ambulance. Oh, yeah. He's very concerned. he said that as he knelt beside Marilyn, Tiffany came running toward them with a pistol. You know, he's just cradling her. Oh, no.

He said at that point, crazy Tiffany came out with a pistol saying, quote, I hate both of you guys. Right. Hate both of you. He said that Tiffany fired the pistol two or three times and that he ran out of the barn. Huh. He said that when he realized that Tiffany was not. coming after him, he eased back to the barn and heard Tiffany talking to his mother. She just shot at you, or her mother.

So his story is she shot at him a few times, but that didn't chase him. So he figured it was okay to go back and be in her presence again. So is his story that she hates her, she shot her mom? You got it. Well, he shot her a couple times when he closed his eyes and God helped him. It went off. Yeah. But then Tiffany came out and decided to finish the job.

She's had enough here. I hate y'all so much. I'm going to finish your accidental shooting. It gets better. Yeah. Tiffany, he said Tiffany, he realized Tiffany was not coming after him. So he's back into the barn and heard Tiffany talking to her mother. Yeah.

Then he says that he saw Tiffany standing above Marilyn and heard the pistol go off. Oh. And saw Marilyn's hair fly up. You know, poof. Yeah. One of those. So she stood over her mother and coldly executed. executed her, a 16-year-old.

Right. Put her out of her misery there. According to him, that's, that's, that was it. But her head, she has no gunshots to the head? No gunshots to the head, but the, I guess the, yeah. You're hit the chest with the 22, James? Oh, that's crazy. Well, it's like an air rifle, too.

There's a lot of air behind it. Poof, and your hair pops up. The air comes out of your hair follicles. Oh, my God. So, yeah, he said that they were just, him and Marilyn were fighting. She told him not to start the jealousy thing. And he told her that her parents thought she was crazy and that her daughters thought she was sleeping around and that he thought she was sleeping around. And that's when she got all mad and said, you're dead and all this shit.

He said, quote, I had no choice. She was going to shoot me. Who was going to shoot him? Marilyn. Everybody was going to shoot him, apparently. Marilyn and Tiffany took a couple shots at him. Had no choice. Had no choice.

To what? I thought you had accident. Hmm. Makes no. Now, Marilyn's parents are fucking pissed at the cops that they did not pick him up in the time that he was wanted. And if they're accepting this crazy story as anything. Well, they're not accepting it. That's just a story.

All right. That's the story he gave. But they said, a friend quoted Marilyn is saying, next time he'll kill me and nobody will believe me. The same friend said, who also a fee. asked not to be named the newspaper because of fears that J.D. may escape jail and get loose and come after them. Said that Marilyn said, they don't believe me because he's such a nice guy to everyone else, which is pretty common. A lot of times these wife abusers aren't going around, you know, pissed at every, because they're pussy's for the most part.

Right. Too scared. That's why they hit women. Right. Adults. Yeah, with adult men. So they question why more wasn't done, the parents here, too far. fine Charbonneau between the kidnapping and rape and this murder.

The father, Jim, said, I think a lot more could have been done. I think they could have found him in 10 days. And they said it just seems like we all, the family and police, just sat here and let her get killed. Yeah. Her mother said that Marilyn was unable to convince the authorities that her troubles with JD were real. They say she was hospitalized twice in Elmore County, where one.

once she went to the police, but nothing was ever done to restrain him from further attacks. They said also they got a cold shoulder from Dan Adamson, her ex-Bron. Oh, yeah. They say Adamson failed to act when they went to him about an attack by Charbonneau on Maryland before they were married. And that was the mutual combativeness is what they called it, combativeness, because she used a cast iron skillet. However, the family said the skillet was not actually even used by Maryland. So that was bullshit. The skillet was actually used by her younger sister on J.D.

See, it's much different. It's a family affair. Yeah. Exactly. Well, they said J.D. attacked Marilyn. Yeah. And then tried. No.

He tried to then turn the fuck with the sister, too. And the sister said, hell no, motherfucker. Not me? I am not the one. Not me, motherfucker. Pau. I didn't marry you. Clink.

And that was the attack. That's how it went. Wow. Yeah. Another friend, a Jerome native, who lived in California for 20 years, said that because Marilyn was his wife, J.D. regarded her as a possession. Both friends say that J.D. did not accept the divorce and continued to refer to Marilyn as his wife after it was all final. The one said, they're living in the dark ages around here. I'm surprised women are even allowed to vote. This is like the Nikki Six of the area. He left. And they're like, Jesus, this place still exists. What the hell is going? going on. They also, one friend called the Jerome police and sheriff's officers lazy and said it, if it had been one of their family who was raped, you know that boy would have been caught.

Yeah. I would say so. They also expressed concern that Marilyn's killer, J.D., will get a reduced charge and a light sentence through a plea bargain or even a jury that he could charm. So you never know. They say that by their daughter dying, maybe at least other women, perhaps. Perhaps their other daughters or Marilyn's daughters won't do the same thing. Maybe this will at least help our family in that regard.

Marilyn's mom said, if we can get something changed in the system that would save other women, she said that, you know, it would be worth going through the pain of recalling the death of her daughter. She said so Marilyn wouldn't have died in vain at least. Now, Adamson, the prosecutor and ex-brother-in-law, says he or the sheriff's office does not harbor any prejudice against women and husband, women in husband and wife conflicts like this family says. They think we're anti-women who's getting beat up. He says he feels for the problems that women have in Jerome and in other Magic Valley counties with being brutalized by their husbands or boyfriends in the recent past. I feel for him. I feel for him. Yeah, he said,

I feel for him. And they said, did this, did them not going after? Is there a conflict of interest with you doing anything with her since she's your ex-sister-in-law. And he said, quote, heavens no. Just because she divorced my brother doesn't mean anything. Heaven's no. I feel for gals like that. Yeah. He said he's not prosecuting Maryland, but J.D.

He said, I'm prosecuting J.D. I'm not prosecuting her. Why would I have a grudge against her? He says he doesn't have any feelings of fondness or animosity toward Marilyn that would prejudice his actions in the Charbonneau case. If you have spent Christmases with one of the, with the victim of this murder, recuse yourself. You're not, you shouldn't, there's a conflict of interest.

Yeah. Period. You know part of the turkey sheets. You can't do it. Right. Ridiculous. So August 1984, there are some articles and some editorials and some letters to the editor that are in favor of J.D.

Wow. Now, we find out where some of these may have come from later, by the way. Here's one from August 14, 84, reporting. it. Don't create it. That's the headline on it. All right. It used to be, I only wrote to you regarding how unfair the Times news has been in the persecution of Congressman George Hanson as you refuse to accept the American principle that you were innocent until proven guilty. This includes all appeal rights. So even after you're convicted, you're not allowed in the paper to call them guilty because their appeals haven't been exhausted. Wow. So maybe 25 years from now you could say

were convicted of a crime, but you shouldn't report it until then. Take some time. Okay. Yeah. It used to be like this. She said, or this goes on to say, Cassius Clay is a classic case and point. When the U.S. Supreme Court found him innocent,

it was impossible to undo the damages he sustained. That was less to do with the courts and more to do with the fucking media and social. Tell me how many people, Cassius Clay was. George Wallace voters. Yeah. Tell me how many people he was accused. of murdering? Oh, lots and lots and lots.

Oh, yeah, he's a pile of bodies they found in his boxing, under the boxing ring. So they said in recent weeks, the Times News has run several articles on the unfortunate death of Marilyn Arbaugh and Jerome. The way the articles are written, you leave no doubt in anyone's mind that one J.D. Charbonneau kidnapped, raped, and then burned her car, then 10 days later, shot her 15 times. Defamation. Libellish. Even though it's literally just like the affidavit facts that they're recording. Slander. Slander.

If your paper is so sure of all the facts in the case, why do we need courts, judges, juries, prosecutors, and defense lawyers. Seems to me you should set aside one room at the Times News with a hanging block and complete the job. Fascinating. All you have accomplished to date with your inflammatory articles is to make it totally impossible to find a local unbiased jury when that case comes to trial. Your paper would be better served by reporting news rather than trying to create it. This is especially true of a tragic incident such as occurred in Jerome. Reporting hearsay from known and unknown parties about a murder case is hardly responsible journalism. I believe I'm becoming a victim of Pavlov's dog syndrome. If I read it in the Times news, it must be wrong.

Feeling this way, I can't help but believing there's way more to the death of Marilyn Arbaugh than we are hearing. We shall see what we shall see. Fascinating. And it's signed C. Elton James of Twin Falls. They published that. They published it, I guess. Because there's a lot of people saying, you know, hang him from the nearest tree. Now, J.D. has a lawyer, and a lot of people think his lawyer is the one writing these letters to the editor. But we're not sure. That's, you know, allegedly. Golden Bennett is his name, the lawyer. He's a character. He's one of these web. First name. Western Golden. He goes by Goldie.

Goldie Bennett. He's one of these Western characters here. He's a Jerome lawyer with a vacation plan for Reno that the judge wouldn't let him, wouldn't pause anything to let him go on vacation arena. Okay. He's a loud guy. He's very combative. He writes letters to the editors of newspapers.

He's known for that. He files tons and tons of motions. He's one of those guys. He filed a motion to exhume Maryland's body. arguing that the pathologist had left bullets in her and failed to conduct a complete autopsy. Oh. The sheriff said exhumation was unnecessary. He was personally at the autopsy, and the remaining bullets were too fragmented to be useful.

That's why they weren't taken out. The judge denied the motion. He asked for a change of venue, or at least a jury from another venue, from northern Idaho, as far as up as you can go. Canada, if you can get them. I'm not sure, whatever that was. Yep. She said everyone in Jerome knows Marilyn's family. So Goldie also declared that Adamson should recuse himself because of the family connection.

Adamson told him no, which Adamson should recuse himself, I think. Goldie filed a motion to dismiss. He claimed that verbal, claimed a verbal agreement with the prosecutor was ignored. The judge told him to fuck off. Okay. Now, his big thing he's going to focus on is Tiffany fired a shot. Tiffany, sorry, fired a shot. Okay. She accidentally fired the shot. They said, what became of the bullet and of that shell casing? That's the thing here.

Deputy Ernest Coates testified later that a former Jerome County prosecutor, at the time was the prosecutor, Dan Adamson instructed him to get rid of the casing. Oh. But Adamson said he didn't tell the deputy to get rid of it. He just told him it wasn't important evidence because it had to need that one. Yeah, none of the bullets ballistically match up to that gun, so who cares, basically. Now, later on, Adamson will say that he told the deputy to dispose of the shell casing because he didn't think it was important. It wasn't found near the body. It wasn't found anywhere near the actual shooting. So it would be if someone shot from over there, they didn't hit Maryland, basically. Yeah.

And it's a semi-auto, obviously, what she carries, if it rejected a fucking shell. So it would have ejected it over there if it was fired over there. Totally. That's what he's saying. So Goldie says he needs more time. time for a first-degree murder case and kidnapping and fucking rape charges. He said, tell you what, let's put kidnapping, grand theft, rape, first-degree murder, all in one trial.

What do you say? Yeah. Let's ball him up here. It's all in one act. And he says he needs more time to prepare and thinks that, you know, if you're going to do them separately, the kidnapping slash rape slash grand theft should be first because it, quote, it happened first. Yeah.

Yeah. He said that I'm a little upset that they would set. said it all without consulting me about my availability because they set trial dates and he said, I'm going on vacation. Reno's calling, goddamn. That's Reno, I'm going and gambling. Sheriff's Department. He said he will file motions to vacate the trial dates, to consolidate the trials.

He says that he wants the two combined because a jury can't make an intelligent decision about the murder trial without knowing the facts of what took place between June 21st, the date of the alleged kidnapping and the date of the date of the date of. the shooting. He also files discovery motions to obtain the state's evidence against him, against J.D. And he said that he was only in the draft stage and part of the reason why he's not prepared to take the case to trial. The judge said that he's not sure about whether he'll consolidate the two trials or not. He said, I don't know. I'd have to listen to a lot of argument. Now, he's not going to really have to because December 11, 1984, the big one, the rape charge, has dropped. Okay. The prosecutor, Doug Rose, said that he filed the motion advising the court that he asks for a dismissal because they lack sufficient evidence. They said the complainant is

dead. She said, it's not because I feel the crime wasn't committed, but rather without Marilyn Arbaugh, the only witness, it would be difficult to prove, which is logical. I don't know how you would prove that. So there's a pretrial hearing. Now, Goldie, he's a he does. He does. He does. He does. He like Reno because he's a fucking gambler. He's going, yeah? He, well, he must think that JD's a charming fella, let's just say. He has to because he advises JD, or I don't know if he advises him or J.D. says he wants to do it, but the lawyer lets him do it. He doesn't tackle him and fucking, JD doesn't have to, like, drag him while he's holding on to his leg.

JD testifies in this pretrial, which is crazy. In the pre-trial, before even trial trial. Yep, and this will all be, even if he remains silent during the trial, this can all be used against him as his testimony at trial. Sure. Which is insane. J.D. testifies and he says that it was all Tiffany. He said, I watched Tiffany fire those fatal shots. And by the way, this really pissed off the Arbaugh family in attendance.

Right. Because Tiffany probably didn't do that. Stood over a mother in cold blood and executed her. I doubt it. Wow. Goldie also allowed J.D. to be interviewed for more than two hours by a state investigator without Goldie being present. Didn't sit next to him, whispering his ear, whatnot to answer or any of that. Just said, you go in there. I'm going to go have a long lunch for two hours. Okay. Then it comes out later on. This is from prosecutor Dan Adamson's affidavit. Okay. Sometime in 1984, after the preliminary hearing, but before the trial comes in 1985,

Adamson says that Goldie approached Adamson privately and stated he knew Charbonneau was not guilty. He said, look, look, listen, man, I get it out in court. You got to be the prosecutor. I'm the defense attorney, and we got to go, but me and you, man to man, people that go to law school, pour me a And let's just, I know he's not guilty, man. You can't be doing this. I know it. And he said, well, how do you know that? And Goldie said, well, my niece in California conducted a seance with Marilyn.

Yeah. During the seance, Marilyn indicated that she forgave her daughter Tiffany for firing the, quote, final shots. Oh, which is, it's amazing. That lines up perfectly with J.D.'s story. this clairvoyant niece in California here. We've talked to her, and she said she feels for Tiffany. Not for me. Not for me.

That's right. Or not for my client. Anyway, this is Goldie's niece, not Charbonneau's niece. Yeah. So, and she's like, well, I mean, she's in California, too. They do, they know all that stuff as seances and things. This isn't some, like, you know, farm, you know, farm psychic. This is like a.

This is the best witchcraftery. This is real witchcraft down there. Yeah, they got. She's like, she got hairy armpits this one. I mean, she's in about it. It's genuine. Yeah. Okay.

So that's what she said. Now, Goldie allegedly used this to chart the course of his representation, according to a bunch of court documents filed later on, allegedly here, including theories about the daughter. An affidavit from Goldie's former legal secretary, which, by the way, imagine you're the prosecutor and the defense attorney wants to meet with you. And they're like, listen, I really think my client's innocent. And they're like, okay, I mean, I understand that. but what makes you say so? Well, my niece in California had a seance with the victim. What the fuck?

And she talked to her. And she talked to her. And she says she forgives her daughter. Right. So the affidavit from Goldie's former legal secretary, Diana McDonald, stated that she personally witnessed multiple conversations between Goldie and his investigator about various supernatural and clairvoyant phenomena tied to J.D.'s guilt or innocence. Yeah.

She said the investigator was allegedly in regular contact with the spirit of the victim. I'd just talked to her last night. Oh, God. And reported the results directly to Goldie. I talked to her again. Okay. Yeah. So at this point, murder suspect here,

J.D. is appointed a public defender after he claims he lost confidence in his attorney, which makes sense. Fifth Circuit Judge Philip Becker approved a new attorney and said he wanted the first degree murder case to go to trial as scheduled April 15, 1985 in Boise. For several weeks, Charbonneau had expressed dissatisfaction with his lawyer's services and questioned his abilities. on Sunday, Charbonneau, quote, clearly and unequivocably wanted him off the case. Now, Charbonneau's mother, in this article, called Bessie of Mountain Home, was the one paying the bill, Goldie said. So he said, regardless of whether he wants me off or not, he ain't the one paying me. So I've been paid to show up.

I'm showing up. Anyway, okay. So Goldie here said that he sent a letter to J.D.'s mom. from his former, or a letter, said a letter to J.D.'s mom from his former investigator had a great deal to do with J.D.'s request. The former investigator had been jailed for allegedly using Bennett's credit cards without permission. That's the guy who said, I'm in constant contact with the victim. Wow, he's a charlatan, no shit. He's using credit cards. All right.

Yeah. So Goldie said, as it stood, I don't feel I can do an adequate job knowing how he he feels about me, meaning JD. He doesn't want me here, so how am I supposed to do anything? The prosecutor said that he didn't give a shit. Who defends him? I don't care. Who fuck does it? He said, I'm prepared to try my case.

Doesn't care. He said, I don't want this to become a pattern. He's seen a lot of cases where defendants delay a case by changing lawyers. See Sarah Boone. She was on lawyer number eight, I think, by the time the trial came. That was the way she would delay things. So, wow. In the court, if the court allows the motion,

Sharbonneau will be, quote, stuck with a new attorney. The judge says, I'm not in the business of hiring attorneys. If I appoint a public defender, that's it. Okay. Now, J.D.'s mother said she was satisfied with the job Goldie was doing, and we'll continue to pay the bill, even though her son doesn't want him. Okay. She said, from what I can tell, Golden Bennett has done everything he can do. But J.D. disagreed.

But she said she believed it would be best to follow his wishes, but she said, I can't afford to hire someone else. I just paid that guy. So J.D. testified in front of the judge that Goldie didn't question all the people who might have aided in his case. He said that he told him, you're a fine attorney, but you have not done all you could. You're a fine attorney, but you're a lazy bastard who doesn't do your job. You could do a little better. Yeah. He says he doesn't want any public defender because he believes they would work harder for the county than to defend him. Now, in a In a place like this, in a small county, they don't have a big pool of public defenders. This isn't Brooklyn.

You know what I mean? No. No. In these counties, they generally have, and in all counties, they have a pool of private attorneys who put in for this work. Got it. And they'll get paid. They don't get paid $30,000 a year or whatever. They get paid or reduced rate, but a rate, an hourly rate, whatever the fuck. Rather than whatever they charge.

So essentially, the judge is going to assign someone from that pool to be a defense attorney when that happens as the public defender at that point because it's just paid for publicly. So the trial has moved to Boise and Ada County because everybody and Jerome had some kind of opinion over this. The Northside News, a newspaper, sues the Jerome Sheriff for denying them access to interview J.D. in jail. J.D. wanted to talk to the press about jail conditions. The sheriff said if he let in one reporter, he'd have to let them all in. J.D.'s mother wrote impassioned letters to the Times news about American justice. All sorts of shit here. But J.D. actually wrote the letters, and Goldie wrote the letters is what everybody says, and wrote them under her name.

April 1985 is the trial. Their first big issue is, will the pictures of Marilyn's autopsy be allowed? Will they? They're really trying to get them out, which usually there isn't even a real argument. They just go, nope, they're in. We're not going to give you 20 pictures of the skull open. But we'll give you one. You know what I mean?

Well, they said that he said that they're too, you know, inflammatory. The judge said that, well, the pictures aren't pleasant. They can't be banned. And he said that the request to suppress these statements seemed inconsistent with J.D.'s demands to speak with the media about jail conditions. It's like, you want things suppressed, but you also want. want to talk to people. Like, you can't have it both ways.

And he said that he repeatedly had advised J.D. of his right to remain silent before he testified at the pretrial hearing. The judge was like, you really want to do this. You know you don't have to do this. You know your rights. And he was like, I know him. Ask me them questions. I'm a little Tiffany under the bus.

And Tiffany going to get hers. Now, the jury's six men, six women. So that's even here. By the way, what he wears to court is insane. he shows up to fucking court in a, this is not this day, but on the last day when the verdict comes in and stuff, he goes to court in a bright red Western shirt with a big giant fucking collar on it. Yeah. You can't wear a bright red decorative Western shirt to be fucking. Is it jeweled or is it just like just a bright fucking red shirt?

I don't know. It doesn't look juled, but it's bright fucking red, western, big collar. It's a big gaudy stupid shirt that you wouldn't wear to get your fate decided. Really, really screaming, I didn't do this. Yes. And lawyers generally have a rule about colors that they wear, like in their ties and also what their clients are allowed to wear. Yeah. And one of the first things is the client never wears red because red is blood.

Yeah. In a murder trial. And they won't wear any ties with red in them on days when blood evidence is being. introduced with any scientific evidence because people put the two together. So, I mean, they think about that shit. He said, hell no, this is my best shirt. I look damn good and red. This is my going out getting laid shirt. I might bang me one, two of them jurors after they find me not guilty. How much tail I got because of this shirt. As soon as that verdict comes in, I'm taking everyone out for drinks, boy, six women especially. I call this shirt the ovulator. That's right.

Well, it's the implanter anyway. It's the insperminator is what I call it, really. But the ovulators for the ladies. So they don't feel so on the jury. I got enough for everybody. Trust me. I've been in jail a while, so I got enough for everybody. All y'all. So they allow the pictures. The prosecution, a prosecution in the opening. This is the Deputy Attorney General Mark Hawes. He said, describes J.D. as a jealous man who refused to give up his ex-wife and stopped. stalked her for three days and then shot her repeatedly. Pretty cut and dry. Quote, if he couldn't have her, no man could. Then he carried out that threat. Even after the divorce, they said that he continued to claim her as his wife. And he said he wouldn't let go.

He said the evidence is clear that five of the seven shells recovered from Maryland's body were fired from the rifle by Charbonneau four days before the slain. saying that experts will testify that one of the other two shells is believed to have killed Arbaugh of four hours. I don't know why he said four days before. That makes no sense. It's clear that five of the seven shells

recovered from the body were filed. I think it's a misprint in the paper. It's supposed to be minutes or something. They said that the experts will testify that one of the other two, the shell believed to have killed her, was most likely fired by the same weapon. Now, the defense,

Randy Stoker is this guy, the defender here. He called the state's case nothing but unsubstantiated theory based on proving the charges by innuendo. Just innuendo, not the fact that he even said he shot her a few times. His part of his defense is, I mean, I shot her a few times, but not the ones that killed. She shot her. Yeah. Not the ones that killed her. I just started out shooting her.

Right. All sorts of people want to shoot this lady for some reason. Tiffany got her in the deadly ones. Yeah. He said that the hard facts don't support the case of the state's theory. He said, what you've just heard from the state's standpoint is not proof. It's just theory. He's got a different theory.

He said that the state will fail to prove that all the bullets that struck Maryland were fired from his rifle. Oh. He also questioned the truthfulness of statements made by Tiffany and Tyra and relied on by the prosecution. They listen to those two girls. He said that the evidence shows at least 15 entry wounds in Arbaugh's body and the possibility of only 11 shells fired from Sharbonneau's rifle. He said that the state must prove where the other shots originated. He said, we've had one tragedy in this case. Please don't let another tragedy happen by having this man convicted of something the state of Idaho can't prove. Don't do, don't be miscarriage of justice is another

tragedy, you guys. Such a tragedy. Can't have that. He tells the jury that J.D. may testify before the trial ends, but he points out in statements that he pointed out

there are statements that the judge is going to allow in, so you'll hear from them anyway, where he claimed to have seen Tiffany do that. And the defense attorney says some cases just can't be proved. I'm not sure if the truth in this case will ever come out.

That's an honor. A unbelievable claim. Let's just all go home. I mean... Sometimes it's just too muddy. It's just too much. Can't untangle it. Some knots?

You just go, you just throw that ball of Christmas lots away because it ain't worth it. It just ain't worth it. You can't unring a bell. You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube at this point. It's all... I heard about that. Yeah. Dunn heard it.

The chili's out the can. It's out the can and it's out your ass pretty soon because it's that Wendy's chili, as we know, from your stupid opinions. That'll come out from every angle. turn Jimmy into a soft-served dispenser. So the mats, they do maps, charts, diagrams, the car stuff, everything. They have an anatomically correct female model with the gunshot wounds here. Had a nice pussy on it, too. Everybody said that, woo-wee, look at her.

No. So the medical examiner on cross-examination, the defense attorney presses him on what shot actually was the fatal one. Right. He said it's not that simple. The combination of injuries caused the death. It's not simple of one shot. Yeah. Sometimes, yeah, if you get shot a bunch of times, they'll compound.

Yeah, that's that it'll tend to happen. The deputy Ernest Coates, who was the former county prosecutor, Dan Adamson's, you know, the ex-brother-in-law there, that he's the one that was told to dispose of the bullet, apparently, allegedly. He quotes here quotes him as saying the spent casing quote wouldn't be needed and wouldn't be pertinent to the case and could be discarded. He says he put the casing in a film canister and threw it out after the preliminary hearing when it didn't come up and there was no talk of it and it was like we don't need this. It's not evidence. When the defense attorney asked this investigator if the situation was a little embarrassing, he said yes. when the prosecutor asked the investigator if he normally took orders from the prosecuting attorney rather than the sheriff, he said, usually I don't, but that day I did.

You know, in this town, who cares? It's like, from the time of time. Wow. Tiffany testified. Here we go. She described coming home, hearing shots, grabbing the pistol, finding her mother bleeding with Charbonneau standing over her. She described the calls to the police, described the accidental discharge behind the sheet. She described lifting her mother's shirt to see the blood.

On cross-examination, the issue of Tiffany shooting her mother was never raised by the defense. They had her right there to say, did you shoot your mother? And never asked her that. But their whole defense is Tiffany killed her. Maybe Tiffany did it. Yeah. Yes. But they don't want to piss the jury off.

Ah. Because suppose, let's say Tiffany said, fuck you, no, I didn't, you son of a bit. Then maybe the jury might think she had in her. But what if she breaks down and cries and says, How dare my mother and I miss her. I love her. I can't believe you would say that. Yeah. You're fucked.

That defense attorney looks like a big asshole at that point. So rather than attack a teenage girl on the stand, they don't hash out their entire theory of the case when they have the chance. Yeah. I guess you don't have to prove somebody else did it just to prove I didn't. But I mean if you have if you've been saying in your opening, that's your whole case. This, not someone else, her. Her. She's right there.

And then she's on the stand. Don't you think you should ask her if she did it or not? You'd think so. And you'd think the jury would judge one way or the other on both ways of doing it, right? Well, while you're questioning her, is the juror the whole time going, when are you going to ask her? He never asked her. I guess. Why did she did that?

I guess they don't believe that if they didn't ask her. So, and the prosecution said it doesn't matter anyway because every bullet matched the Remington that he had. Yeah. Tyra testified about being pulled from the bath, dressing an oversized clothes, hiding behind the sheep wagon, the accidental pistol discharge. Yeah. The five or so additional shots she heard and reaching the barn to find her mother dying. And she said, we were just yelling to mom. We were being kind of quiet, but we were, but we was yelling to mom. We was, you know, but we wasn't getting any reply, you know, we wasn't getting nothing. Tiffy. And, Tiffy. had, Tiffy had my mom in her arms, and Tiffy pulled up her shirt or something, and we could see a lot of blood and stuff on her chest. And so, and I just brushed my hand across her cheek because I didn't know what to do. And right when I did that, blood started running from her mouth and nose, and Tiffy told me to go get an ambulance. Jesus Christ. That is crazy. That's brutal for this poor kid to hear, to say, and to see and to experience. And whenever she says Tiffy, it just reminds me of Judy Gemstone going,

love you, Aunt Tiffy, when she's walking out of the room. So funny. So this is horrible. They bring in Jamie's testimony from pretrial. She said she took the rifle, pointed it at him. This is Marilyn, and said, you're dead. No other woman's going to have you. Then she screamed for Tiffany to bring Rufus, which is a pet name for her pistol.

Hey, guess what, everybody? I'm going to give you, you know, like we always talk about guys, red flags. Here's a red flag for a lady. If she has a pistol with a man's name that she calls it, watch out for that. Not this you should watch out for Marilyn, but that's... The same name as a Rottweiler somewhere. Rufus is a crazy name. Sounds like a big dog.

Yeah. And she used this gun on him at one point and shot him with it. So, I mean, Jesus Christ. So he said he closed his eyes, started shooting three. or four shots when he opened his eyes. Remember, she was on her knees, clutching her shoulder. Tiffany came out with the pistol. He ran, peeked back into the barn, saw Tiffany aiming the gun with both hands and heard a shot and saw Marilyn's hair fly up and he closed his eyes again. He just can't look at anything. On cross-examination, though, he could not explain how Marilyn ended up with 15

bullet entry wounds when he claimed to have only fired three or four shots and then watched Tiffany shoot her once. How's their 15? Yeah, I don't know. Explain that. He said he could not explain the clustered chest wounds. He could not explain the rear entry wounds to her back, neck, and calf, wounds consistent with shooting someone who is running away or lying face down. His story is terrible. It's not a good one.

No. His story covers four of 15 shots. That's not enough. And when you're talking about shooting a person and you're only going to willing to admit to three or four of them. It's wild. Yeah. But, yeah, but then the daughter came and finished her off. Yeah.

So throughout this two and a half week trial, the prosecutor painted a picture. Here's closing arguments of him as a jealous husband who stalked her, gunned her down for spending the night with another man. He said, the motive here is the state of mind and his inability to give up this woman. He couldn't give up Marilyn Arbaugh. He carried out those threats. So sounds pretty at the, you know, right to the. Cutting right to the core here.

Sure. Defense attorney Stoker here in closing arguments brought up the testimony on the discrepancy and the number of entry wounds found in the body and the combined total of exit wounds and slugs recovered from the body. He's not getting any explanation of that? Nope. He said with all the theories considered, at least three more slugs were fired into Maryland's body than the state could account for.

That's what they said. So either way, that's what happened, which is kind of true. jury instructions, the judge instructed the jury they could consider four verdicts. First degree murder, second degree murder, voluntary manslaughter, involuntary manslaughter. If you totally believe a self-defense case here or whatever, not self-defense, but some sort of accidental discharge. The verdict, 13 hours of deliberation. Wow. I think it's the bullet discrepancy that does it.

It has to be. That's too long. Yeah. And they find him. Guilty of first-degree murder. Yes. First-degree murder. Now, sentencing, the death penalty is on the table.

Wow. That's when he shows up in a bright red Western shirt. During sentencing, when the jury could put him to death. He says, I'm going to look my fanciest. Does he have, like, birds on the shoulders or anything? It's just a red fucking shirt. It's a bright red shirt. He gets this.

Now, Marilyn's family. I'm sure it's got, like, those swirly things. things on the shoulders. Like that look like lassoes or ropes or something. Marilyn's parents said they hoped for a sentence that would ensure he would not be free for a very long time. Jim, the dad said, I'd be afraid if he got out again. And her mom, Marilyn's mom, said, I don't ever want to see him on the streets.

Okay, good. Yeah. And Jim said that this nightmare, the verdict won't end the nightmare for the family because it'll never be over. Never. She's dead. How can it be over? Mom also, this is J.D.'s mom, she said that Marilyn was the only woman who ever caught her son's interest.

She was the one. Yeah. She said it was a stormy love. Now she's being called Misty. So this is Misty, Betsy, yeah. Misty McKeel. She was Bessie Hamilton a minute ago. Now she's Misty McKeel.

I don't know what's going on. She takes a different first name when she gets married too. Yeah, she just changes. I do a full, just a refresh. Yeah. Wow. She says her son held on to even after firing a fusillade of bullets into her body. She said it's just he still loves her. The judge here, he recalled the evidence of teenage daughter Tiffy, heard shots and all that. And the judge said at that time, she found her mother lying on the ground wounded. She was alive. And then the defendant was standing over her with a gun and told her daughter. to leave. The defendant could, in all probability, have saved Marilyn Arbaugh's life at that point.

The judge went on to say that Arbaugh could likely have survived with immediate medical attention. However, he said, the facts show that two minutes after returning to the house, the daughter heard additional shots. The judge said that J.D. had about two minutes to decide whether he would save the life or destroy it. When the daughter returned for the second time to the barn, she found her mother dying. She said all the shots. were fired from a rifle that are that he held one which required the pull of a trigger for each shot the judge said he believes those facts constituted necessary aggravating circumstances especially that the murder was especially heinous atrocious or cruel and manifesting exceptional depravity

he also said that um shows another utter disregard for human life you rodeo boy yeah may fuck off death penalty. Wow. They give him the, yeah, judge says, me dicks here. So, interesting. Now, Marilyn's mom, Mary, said that she felt the sentence was correct.

She says, I'm satisfied with the sentence. I think he got what he deserved. I feel sorry for his family, but he got what he deserved. Wow. The prosecutor said, I feel justice has been done in the case. I commend Judge Becker for his decision.

I know it. was a difficult one for him to make, but he imposed the legal sentence in this case. I feel very satisfied that the family has been vindicated, especially some of the outrageous allegations concerning the daughters. Right. Yeah. Jay D's mom, now she is named Misty Hamilton in this. During the same trial, she has two different last names.

Wow. She said that, wow, that's crazy. She said that after sitting through the hearings in the trial that were, quote, totally biased against Jamie that she probably should have expected this sentence for her son. She said that Marilyn had threatened suicide on a number of occasions. Now it's suicide. You got to be fucking kidding me. I don't think there's ever been a case in history with that many rounds.

I shot myself in the back of the calf just for shits and giggles. I thought it was fun. I shot myself 15 times. 15 times. Only four in an area that would really kill me. I was practicing. Yeah. That is ridiculous, man.

It's ridiculous. She said, now, why does it all have to end like this? Well, that's because that's a thing. She says she has great confidence in her son's attorney and that she will stand behind Jamie all the way in his appeal. All right. She added that despite whatever happened, her son and his former wife loved each other very much. She will not let that go. To a reporter, literally standing nearby, now quoted as Misty McKeel.

Nice. Okay. She declined to talk to the reporter saying, quote, you didn't say anything good about Jamie during this whole thing, and I don't want to talk to you now. You were mean to my boy. Yeah. A juror named John Keller said the jury could have reached a verdict sooner than the 13 hours. They deliberated had the state not thrown away a spent bullet casing found next to the wagon. He said just the – he said that had nothing to do with the case, but just the fact that they threw it away left a lot of the jurors questioning what was going on.

The existence of it alone would have made this a lot easier. Yeah, you could have just said, oh, yeah, there it is, and it didn't mean anything. Never mind. Now, the judge, which you usually don't get a comment from the judge. No. On this. The judge said that it was extremely difficult this whole trial. He said, I would go back to the motel following a day's court session and lie awake at night, hoping that I had been absolutely fair to both sides.

The judge is being sequestered, too? Not sequestered. They're all in another county. Oh, right, got it. Yeah, the judge from goes into that county. So he's got, rather than drive home to Jerome every night, he just stays there. Yeah, he's, no, a judge can't look at anything either. He said, I tried to carefully consider both the states and the defense's positions.

After all, the whole life of a, the whole life of a very young man was at stake in these rulings I had to make. He's 24 for fuck's sake. So here's some letters to the editor about this whole thing. This is from the Reverend Ellis M. Keck. Yeah. He says, your article on Charbonneau, complete with a colored picture on the front page, is just what Mary Arbaugh needed for Mother's Day. How insensitive.

You can't convince me that the Charbonneau story was front page news. There was nothing new in the article. The Northside News has kept us all to date on Charbono's feelings. It was this kind of scuzzy journalism that supermarket tabloids and big city scandal sheets are made of. Wow, these fucking people. Scandal sheets. Scandal sheets. Either you, big city scandal sheets.

We don't do no scandal around here. Either you think you can sell a few more papers by trading on Charbonneau, or you're so unbelievably stupid that you allowed Charbono to use you one more time. Jerome County folks should boycott your sleazy rag. Since it seems you must have a cash register for a heart, Maybe a little financial pressure will heighten your sensitivity. Gee, shocking that the Reverend from the First Baptist Church would have such a fucking hot and cold kind of a take on it, isn't it? Nobody replied to him?

Nope. Wow. These are just posted. Here's one, sick of stories on Charbonaut, same paper, same day. I see the Times news responded to Mother's Day with its usual tact and good taste. Right. Printing a sympathy article for a convicted murder on the front page. the Mother's Day edition.

Would a super way to say happy Mother's Day, Mrs. Arbaugh? I don't think I'm alone when I say enough is enough. We're all tired of whimpering poor Mr. Charbonneau, in quotes. He has been convicted in a court of law for murder, let him start paying his dues to this society and let the RBAWS get on with their lives. How about giving equal time to the friends and relatives of Marilyn Arbaugh? You can keep up a good thing and print that on Father's Day. That's Diana Delaney.

then here's another one. Can't understand use of photo. Personally, if I never hear the name Jamie Charbonneau again, I'll be able to survive just fine. But for the Times News to put his oversized color photograph on the front page newspaper on Mother's Day was utterly despicable. Really?

Okay. Interesting here. Not even mad at being told about it. that is in the fashion that they're being told. Insanity. Yeah. All right. Now here is James E. Coakley.

Yeah. And his name, he's involved in this case. He says, jury should have all the facts before making decision, his little letter to the editor. He said, there's a presumption of law that if accused of a crime, one is innocent until proven guilty. Unfortunately, approximately 5% of the U.S. prison population is incarcerated for crimes, which they did not commit, but were found guilty by juries of their peers and incarcerated. If the judicial process is 95% correct, I guess those are good numbers. However, I doubt if you could convince any of the other 5% that the system works at all.

Yeah. I write this letter after having read the Idaho Supreme Court's ruling in the Jamie Sharbonneau murder case. The court, in effect, is saying that if Mr. Sharbonneau admits to a crime he did not commit, then he's eligible to be considered rehabilitative, and his life sentence could, and his sentence could be reduced later on. This is like a thing, like a very if, if, if type of thing here. He said, I investigated the original murder, and it's my opinion that if a jury ever got to hear all the facts of the case, Mr. Sharbonneau would not have been convicted of anything more than aggravated battery.

It's not attempted murder to shoot a person a few times, apparently. The convicting jury did not get to hear more than 90% of the facts of the case that they should have had in order to make a just decision. If there were ever a botched murder case in Idaho from the beginning to the end, it's this particular crime. As far as I'm concerned, the real murderer is walking free. Oh, my God. While Mr. Charbonneau does time for the crime, Judge Bistline deserves applause. Okay, that's one for later. So that's one of the investigators for his lawyer there.

Okay. His public defender, by the way, is trying to get paid. He submitted a bill after the trial for $20,858 to the county, which is extremely expensive for the county. Seems like it. Yeah. Now, they offered to pay him $50 an hour for a total payment of $15,132.80. He said he normally, he requested to get paid $75 an hour. But that was that.

1986, post-conviction petition. He's got a new attorney named Jim May, files a petition citing Golden Bennett's incompetence. Oh, yeah. Bennett sat in on the trial, even though he didn't want him the whole time because he was already paid. So he was like second chair at his trial the entire time. Now, okay, they said, according to his filing, they let Charbonneau testify in the pretrial hearing, allowing the two hours of state and interview without counsel present, failed to seek financial assistance for a private ballistics investigation. That's something.

The judge Becker, the judge from the court, denies this motion. And he says, you can't second-guess strategic and tactical choices made by a trial lawyer. And a death warrant is issued for December 10th. Oh, fuck. That's that. The Idaho Supreme Court issues a stay on the execution. Okay. Now, June 29, 1986, Mom writes the newspaper.

Now she's Betsy McKeel Hamilton. Nice. Who knows? Misty, Betsy, what the fuck? She says Americans must guard against loss of rights. Oh. And this goes on to say, the authorities have so badly mangled and destroyed evidence, actually throwing part of the evidence away.

The person under arrest has been denied, his freedom of speech, freedom of privacy between his attorney and client. The prosecuting attorney is allowed to question a person under arrest for two and a half hours without the person's attorney available. He had an attorney. The attorney okayed it. Having a shitty attorney is different. That's a different argument that you can have.

She said as the giant iron door slammed shut, the people of the United States sit still, sit still while some men taint the hand of our democracy and convict people, put them behind bars, sentence them to death in the name of justice? Can the politicians that have slapped the face of courtroom justice and mock the freedom's rights of America be allowed to go as high in politics as they like with more blood and crime on their hands than the actual people that are arrested and accused of a crime? Wow. The ballsy statement. This is a lot, man. She goes on to say, when an officer in our court demands, when an officer of our courts demand to another to throw strong evidence away, using these words, throw it away, we have this bozo dead to rights.

If that's the grounds and if that is the grounds our innocent until proven guilty rights are based upon, then we as American citizens must wake up, wake up now or forever live with the minds asleep as some in Congress would have us do. Oh, boy. 1987, he fires everybody. Everybody's gone. He's just firing them everybody, firing people off. His attorney, May, is appointed to be a judge. Oh. Now, J.D. wants him to stay on, but May says, I'm going to be a fucking judge, stupid.

This is way easier. I'm going to make so much more money. I make more money. I get to be a part of, like, better clubs. That's cool. Charbonneau says, I'll represent myself, damn it. Oh, boy. And the judge says, no, you won't.

And they appoints him another attorney. This is Greg Fuller. Fuller asks for a new trial based on Golden Bennett's, quote, clairvoyance and supernatural phenomena defense strategy. Which is fair. The judge denies that at all. The judge said about him, by the, after this, this Fuller guy that he's appointed, after the judge denies that J.D. fires this lawyer, too. He's gone now, too. Yeah. So the judge warns him, you've already gone through several lawyers. Your rights have been more protected than the victims. She didn't have any lawyers. Right. That's what he says.

1987 appeal, the Idaho Supreme Court for ineffective assistance of counsel. This is for the psychic issue. They said that he incorporated clairvoyance, seances, and spirit communications into his defense strategy planning, which by the way, he denies completely that lawyer. Yeah, got to say that. But, yeah, got to say that. but the lawyer put all these claims that he incorporated all this stuff, all this stuff. The claims were highly specific to his early defense work on the Charbonneau case. And they said the details presented as evidence that Bennett's defense was compromised were based on reliance of non-evidentiary supernatural sources rather than standard investigation or forensics. Generally, you don't have a seance to figure out your defense strategy. here. Now, he, Goldie, described the allegations as clairvoyant crap and said that Fuller was

grasping at straws. He vehemently denied that he developed or based any part of the defense on a seance conducted by his niece or on spirit communications from his investigator. Wow. He later said that he never believed in such phenomena and that the claims were fabricated or exaggerated for post-conviction purposes. But his own assistant, like his own secretary, said it. So it's kind of tough. Interesting. So they find all this, he denies it.

Now, because of all of this, because they're saying, you know, that's a, it was a big part of his defense. His sentence is overturned. Really? Overturn the sentence. Now the conviction still stands, but no more death sentence. That's overturned. Okay.

Yeah. Charbonneau said also that he fired his attorney Fuller because he was, quote, involved in a conspiracy with Jerome County against him. Okay. Okay. More legal wranglings here. The prosecutor drops out. Sure. John Horgan.

He withdrew from the case. The judge, this is so weird. I'll read from the article. Another round of musical attorneys has left Jerome County prosecutor John Hogan. without a seat in the Jamie Charbonneau murder case. Horgan withdrew from the case last week. Fifth District Judge Philip M. Becker said, Becker said, quote,

he felt if Charbonneau didn't want him, he'd get off the case. I guess he was, oh, because that's, he was, okay, apparently I think he used to be a prosecutor. He was, no, that's what it was. Oh, boy. He was Becker's law clerk during the original trial. Oh. So he's saying he can't now be the resentencing guy as well.

So whatever. This guy said, I don't care. I don't have to do it. Fuck it. July 27, 1988, 1988, some guy on the radio here, corrections board vice chairman, L. James Kootenik still supports the death penalty,

but from a practical point of view of the Twin Falls radio personality admits it just doesn't pay off. He said, it costs too much to execute a murderer. Period. That's it. And that's the truth. That's it. It doesn't pay.

Just for, I get victims, families and all that, but just for one family to go, I feel better now. That is not worth us all paying millions of dollars for us. It's just not. I'm sorry. You can feel a little better. You don't get to feel that much better if it's costing us that much money. It's a lot of money. It's too much.

He said that this case here, talking about Jamie, he said, estimates have run as high. is $500,000 to get him through the appeals process. He said, this is a county with just over 15,000 residents have to pay for that. We can't afford that. That's so expensive. No. He said that he's been sentenced to life in prison, and if he lives another 40 years, it's going to cost the state about $400,000. He said in a county like Lincoln, with just 3,400 people, if they get first-degree murder, they better plea bargain it down to overtime parking.

So, April 1989, Idaho Supreme Court. orders resentencing, finding Judge Becker improperly admitted an unsubstantiated, unsubstantiated letter from Maryland's father as hearsay. So. We don't know that he said it. Yeah, I don't know what it. I guess there was a letter, an unsubstantiated letter. I guess that's some sort of hearsay violate.

It's very legalese type of deal. Now, the state decides can't afford another death penalty case. We just can't. So they're going to seek life in prison instead because it's just. just a money thing. Yeah. They can't do it. It's cheaper to give them life.

Yeah. So they said they already, you know, paid out $400,000 only to see this original debt sentence overturn. Now we've got to start over again. Right. So May 1989, his mother's still on his side, Misty Hamilton now. Yeah. She says, I know that Jamie did not kill her. None of the shots that came from that gun were fatal shots.

He shot her 11 times, but none of them were fatal shots. Yeah. You know, only the four that he didn't shoot were fatal. Okay. Wow. Imagine shooting somebody 11 times, them dying, and then you being like, those weren't the ones. Those weren't the ones, though. There was four others.

Those were the bad ones. These were fine. She says, the paper goes on to say, Hamilton, a full-blooded Cherokee from Oklahoma, recently moved from eastern Idaho to mountain home to be closer to her son. At first, she didn't visit much. she said, quote, it really upset him. He didn't even want me in there. But that doesn't stop her from her visiting anyway.

She said, you can tell when it's time for a visit. So the Idaho Supreme Court ordered another sentencing hearing. And she said, you can't have that. She said he can spend 40 minutes each day outside a cell. Your life is just there, slowly turning to nothing until you're nothing. As long as he's locked up, I'll be locked up too. All right. She said that he grew up

A cowboy at heart With his family He drove cattle through the desert And tried his hand as a rodeo cowboy The wide open spaces of Charbonneau's youth are gone Replaced by prison The courtrooms And possibility of execution

She says That's how it goes It's when you kill somebody That's how it works She said I'll always feel that America Has the best court system in the world But it has its bad points 1989. Let's catch up with Tyra real quick here.

She is grown up and married. Okay. Who she's married to? Holy shit. Nope. Even weirder. Even fucking weirder. Okay. She got married at age 18 in late October, in 1988 to Jimmy Griggs, who is Jamie's half-brother. Jamie Dean? fucking J.D. Sharbonneau.

Yeah. His half brother? His half. Are you what the fuck, right? Is this crazy? Why did she do that? I don't, because there's nobody else around apparently. The prosecutors, the ex-husband's brother, this one.

His half-brother. What is happening? Murder. You know what I'm saying? She's married with a child living in Wells, Idaho by September of 1989. With J.D.'s half-brother. This is wild. 1989, J.D. is up to some shit in jail.

Not bad shit. Cowboy poetry. Yep. It's so powerful. Oh, yeah. He says, I wouldn't say that. So popular within the cowboy community. Yeah. Eight old men who live in the middle of nowhere like it. That's not wildly popular. I'm telling you, everybody that does cowboy shit loves this shit.

Eight old men in the middle of nowhere. There's not that many cowboys. You live in Arizona, so you think there's cowboys everywhere. In the rest of the country, there's not cowboys. They just don't exist. That's a costume everywhere else. You go, ha, ha, look at you. No, I mean, in New York City, it's a costume.

In fucking Oklahoma. Anywhere. Arkansas. All over those fucking places. In the middle of nowhere. Encountains with 14,000 people in them. That's what I mean. You could add up all those places, and there's a block in Manhattan with more people.

So it doesn't matter. It's not widely popular. Those people love that shit, though. Those people love that. That shit. That's the perfect way to put it. Love it. Those people love that shit.

That's exactly how it's right. It's very popular amongst those people. You fucking hit it out of the park. They say that he writes about wide open spaces and the myth of the West. Oh. There's a myth? There's a myth. One of them is Miss Idaho's grand lady with wide open space.

She's a heavenly creation depicting God's grace. What is that? The fuck. What does that mean? Now, the cowboy poetry, this goes on to say. And the poetry, as cowboy poetry goes, isn't bad. Bill Studebaker, the College of Southern Idaho's assistant English professor, said, I think the person demonstrates, meaning the person who wrote his poetry. Quite a bit of talent, he says.

Now, under the arrangement with the Times News, Studebaker and the, quote, Redneck Review of Literature, publisher Penelope Reedy, agreed to review and critique Charbonneau's poetry before knowing the author's identity. Oh. Reedy said that Charbonneau's poetry would be best read aloud.

She said, his poems are the kind that don't work on the page, but have a kind of theatrical category. Sure. Sharbonneau's mother said, quote, he had to dig real deep inside himself for that. All right. Manston wrote great songs. Oh, people loved it. The Beach Boys wanted to make records with him.

So she said that her son's been writing his prison poetry for a year and a half, and she's trying to raise enough money to publish her son's 42 poems and four short stories. Charbonneau's own drawings of Western scenes will illustrate the book. He's very creative. Wow. A publishing company in Shelley has agreed to publish the book as long as somebody pays for it. I mean, we'll put it out. We're not just up. You can use, that's basically you can use our stuff if you pay for all the materials and everything. That's not publishing it. Jesus. That's hilarious. Any profits will be donated to the March of Dimes. That's what the mom says. She says, your life is just sit there, slowly turning to nothing until you're nothing. That's her line. She uses a lot. That's the idea.

That's why they're putting you there. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. J.D., they said, Charbonneau succeeds in one area of poetry, Stu DeBaker says. His poetry has a sense of movement that carries the reader from image

to image and situation to situation. This guy says, if you don't do it right in poetry, it fails. You can read these and not get lost. Now, Reedy says that Charbonneau's poetry is, quote, a little loose. Oh. A little loose.

But when compared, with his cowboy poet peers, Charbonoa's done all right, they say. They say all this shit sucks. So, all this shit's just real loose and goosey. Relatively, it's not bad, but, you know, that shit smells a little better than that shit. It's all shit.

None of it smells like apple pie, but... None of it's Shakespeare. Let's be honest. That's what they're saying. He said, it's not Robert Frost over here, but we got something. She said, overall, yeah, okay. So they said it's not bad. a fact, this is great. As a matter of fact, when you say cowboy poetry, I expect the worst,

Studebaker says. This isn't. Oh, yeah. If Sharbonneau's poetry ever does become a book, it'll be a book about myths. Studebaker said that's what it participates in, the myth of the West. It's certainly not a contemporary image. It's an image certain ranchers and certain cowboy poets are trying to maintain. Charbonneau reaches for the myth as he writes about Idaho and that that lies outside of his cell. One is, quote, could it be the Lord formed her from a, from a, what is I, my fucking newspaper's messed up. Seasheel, Seasheel blueprint. This is where I long, long to be till my final day spent. Here's one.

They show up each morning right around eight, consistent as clockwork. rarely late. At Joe's Cath A, like Cafe. This is a poem? Yeah. Where the coffee's real stout. They rely on the almanac for predicting a drought. Okay.

Yeah. Stout. It's pretty shitty. He publishes a book. They're saying if he publishes a book, the county said, quote, we might ask for the proceeds for the public defender's budget. If he comes into some money, you bet we'll be looking for it. He does publish a book. I couldn't find the book, but I did find who has it.

It is, it says the collection is the Idaho authors file, the Boise State University Library Special Collections and Archives, and the repository location is Boise. So this exists and this is in a book. His book, yes, is here. They have it. They may be the only people on earth that have a copy of it, but it's somewhere. It's there. Yeah. If you're in Idaho, go find it.

1990, Judge Becker quits the case. It's had enough. He grants the defense's motion for a new judge, and he says to the press, quote, I am so sick and tired of him. Done. Okay. He shot a woman 11 times and wants to talk it over. At least 11 times.

More like 15. Right. He muses on someday being paroled, too. Really? He says that if the world, if he were paroled tomorrow, the world would be safe from him. Okay. He said, oh, yeah, they would be as safe around me as they would be around you. And they said, so you don't think you're dangerous?

And he said, no, I am not. I know I know. And they said, how do you know? He said, I can't give you an answer for that, but I just know. You never heard of the cafe with stout coffee? Read my poetry about predicting and depicting. All of his poems have a predicting and depicting short. in there.

I'm very calm. Yeah, despite his insistence that he isn't dangerous, being paroled tomorrow is not what he wants. I don't want to come here and say, look, Jamie, you're free. We're sorry, goodbye. I don't want that, he said. I don't want to mock the system that I want to work for me. I want the system to work for me, but I don't want it to be manipulated by politics. He said also, there's been one-sided press coverage.

No, there hasn't. They let you put your fucking poetry in here. How can you call it one-sided? Your mom gets to say anything she wants. He spoke to the Times News after a court appearance on Wednesday in a private room at the jail with no deputies present. He said, I just think I'm at a point where I have no other alternative. I think people need to see the truth. I'm not saying that they're going to, but I need to at least attempt that.

To Charbonneau, the truth is that an unfair trial led to a wrong conviction and he wants another verdict. He said the politics were making Judge Becker do what he did. Yeah. He said, Oh, so no, no, to all his decisions. Yeah, he said, I don't think he has respect for, I think he has respect for the law, but I think right now he's trying to find ways to please everyone. The judge said, if I ever had some deep-rooted feeling about a case, I'd get off. I don't let the public or anyone else dictate what I'm going to do.

And he did get off, so there you go. He says he doesn't recall the specific events of the day. the murder happened. No? No. He says, you know, he says he just doesn't. He said, he doesn't want to shirk what he deems as his responsibility. He says, I want to live up to it, to the responsibility of my actions. I mean, it was irrational. I can't imagine it happening now. Even with all the fear and everything else, I'm six years older. I'm almost seven years older than I was at the time, coupled with the emotions and the fear. Emotions controlled my thinking at that time largely. I think I've overcome that. Okay. I have a poem.

that might convince you. Does he? No. That would be amazing. You're like, I want to hear that. That'd be great. He said, if you look at the case, who knows what they would do if they were put in a predicament to defend themselves? No matter what one person might say, looking from the outside in, might say, I would have done this or I would have done that.

But you never know to you're in that predicament. I do know now because I was inside there. I wasn't looking from the outside. I was inside looking at it. And it was a tragic thing. I wish I would have had the mentality that I do now, meaning the situation. See, inside or outside? I think he's inside.

Maybe he was outside. It's really hard to be sure. He went around. That was some cowboy poetry right there. Sure enough. He said, and the heat of that moment, and then I would have been able to think it through and make a proper judgment. Oh.

He said that Marilyn did care, and he cared about each other. He said, we did things to each other that were morally wrong. If you want to label it some kind of wrong. Yeah, beating and shooting each other, that's morally wrong. You beat her, she shoots you. That's all not good. What the fuck are you talking about? Wow.

Morally wrong. He had quotes on it, too. We are vicious towards each other and one of us wound up dead. So, you know how that is. If you want to call that morally wrong. It's all in the wash, really. Yeah, really. It all washes on out.

He said, we all have. good sides and bad sides and Marilyn was not exempt from that. There was good in her. She was a very sweet person sometimes, but she could also be very ornery and mean. You know, ornery like a, like a wild horse that the government paid me to count. And sometimes you have to shoot those people. Yep. He said, I'm not condemning her. It's just a fact of life. Wow. And his mom says he's totally innocent and says, quote, Jamie's been a political pawn. It's never been a case of who's right and who's wrong who's guilty and who's not, Jamie's been upon. Why is she...

I don't get it. She really believes in him. Now, Marilyn's parents, they think differently. Yeah. Yeah. They said, I don't have a... This is, I believe, the dad... No, this is Mary, the mom.

I have a lot of bad days, but I'm not going to let Jamie destroy us. That's what he wants. We're not over it, which we never will be. Everybody told me it would get better, but not much. She said, he blames everyone else. That's the way he always was. He just thinks he's got to have control. I think if he ever got out, he'd have to take control of someone else.

Probably, yeah. He says he misses the rodeo life. Oh, I miss it. Yeah. Boots and the buckets. Man. The what and the knuckles? Just miss it.

I miss the buckles and the knuckles. They go on in this paper article to say, having published a book of cowboy poetry, the former rodeo bullfighter. Now he's a bullfighter. He's a bullfighter. Bullfighter now, yeah. He's a fucking Matador. is now writing a novel inspired in part by his life and his dreams.

Oh, boy. What? Music about rodeo life provides another release. He says, I listen to music that takes me back. That kind of takes me out of here. I don't think I could cope here without it. And he says, I miss rodeo life a lot. I miss that kind of life.

I like the mountains and the wide open spaces. He said he holds faith that he'll be free one day. He said, if I didn't, I might as well forget it. Yeah. They said, well, when will you be free? And he said, I don't know. I don't have any idea. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know, in other words. October 1991, the court has something to say about whether he released. And it is, you, sir, may keep fucking off. Life in prison without the possibility of parole. Okay. Keep fucking off. Now, okay.

This is in a revision of that. Now they say, might he be rehabilitated? Blah, blah, blah. They said, we didn't think about that when reaching that decision. It was just a drop to that. Now, he's 31 years old, life without. Whoa. In the 90s, the Supreme Court of Idaho upholds the sentence in 1993, the life sentence.

He files another petition, another petition. It's all denied. He's writing more poetry. Yeah. He takes walks in the desert in handcuffs and flip-flops with a sheriff because the jail has no exercise yard. I, yeah. Oh, boy. They said, inmates are guaranteed five hours of,

exercise a week. So every few days the sheriff would drop in on Charbonneau, tell him to put on his coat, drive him to a remote desert location, and let him walk around in circles and handcuffs and flip-flops. I can't believe that. That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Like, he can't get a way out here. Yeah. Wow. They said that the high desert dust, the moon dust, the sheriff wore boots. They would talk like two men on a strange, sad date. That's what they were like. That's the paper said. The sheriff said he just wasn't trying to get sued. He said, I gave him his five hours. Yeah.

That's what it goes. September 24th, 1998, Tyra's dead. What? At 28 years old. What happened? Do we know? She had an asthma attack, apparently. Wow.

Isn't that crazy? That's fucked up. That's horrible. That's horrible. That's like the Irish guy in North Carolina's first wife died of that asthma attack. She also, from what I saw, had a son named Jay. who died in 2003 at age eight. This family is cursed, man.

It's sad, man. Jesus. 2001, there's a statement from a former sheriff named Larry Gold. He was a sheriff, I believe, from, he was Jerome County Sheriff from 89 to 93. He provided a 2001 statement alleging knowledge of a letter that Tyra wrote that's being suppressed or targeted for destruction by the courthouse staff. Okay. The captain here, or the chief of deputy, alleged in statements to have discussed the letter

and potential destruction. Another document suggested that a guard at the Idaho Department of Correction was asked to monitor Charbonneau's legal mail and specifically intercept letters from Tyra or from Larry Gold, the sheriff. They said even if, you know, it's crazy that they would do that.

2002, J.D.'s mom has an affidavit. This is claiming that Tyra recanted during the original trial and said prosecutors and deputies instructed the girls to withhold info about guns and a holster that Tiffany was involved. Testifying at sentencing, she did, but she made no disclosures with that. Okay. They said, okay, now, 2011 is when the letter, the Tira letter comes out. Yeah. Okay. A 1989 letter to Judge Philip Becker postmarked Bruno, Idaho.

It was discovered in 2011. She claimed prosecutors and a detective pressured her to falsify or withhold information. That's what they say. They say the letter generally alleges that the police and prosecutors, pressured Tyra to give false testimony regarding the circumstances of her mother's death and that some of the things in her statements to the police were not all true. According to the letter, on the day of Marilyn's murder, Tyra gave a statement to Officer Dreisel, who told her to, quote,

only say certain things so that her statement wouldn't be confusing, and who instructed her to say certain things that were not really true. The letter provided the following new version of what had happened on the day of the murder. The letter states that on the morning of July 1st, 84, Charbonneau was at the house and told Tyra, quote, that the wrangle horse was waiting on her. Yeah. I wouldn't even, I'd go, and what does that mean?

What do I have to do? Do I have to do something for that? Which was a phrase he used to tell her when she overslept. The wrangle horse is waiting on you meant you've been sleeping too long? You slept too long. It's sitting out there waiting. It's just sitting out there going to like kicking its. I need to wrangle, God damn it.

Marilyn then entered Tyra's bedroom and gave her a big box wrapped in decorative paper, and inside the box was a new 22-caliber rifle. The letter claimed the rifle was a graduation gift from Charbonneau, like he said. The letter stated that Marilyn then took a bath and got dressed and that she told Tiffany and Tyra that she was going outside to help Charbono with the horses. Tyra went to take a bath, and shortly after, she heard gunshots. Tiffany then came running into the bathroom and screamed at Tyra to get dressed. Tiffany grabbed Tyra's new 22 caliber rifle and gave Tyra one of Maryland's 22 caliber pistol. So they went out there like the fucking, this is crazy, like the urt boys and shit, ready to fucking have a showdown.

Disarm the Cowboys. And yeah, the girls then went outside and hid behind the sheep wagon. Tyra could see Marilyn in an alleyway by a feed canal, but she did not see Charbonneau and could only hear his voice. Tyra heard Tiffany shoot the rifle while they were behind the sheep wagon. Startled by the sound, Tyra accidentally fired the pistol. Tiffany then told Tyra that Marilyn had taken a different 22 rifle, nicknamed Calamity Jane, with her when she went outside with Carbon Ocean. Every gun's got a name.

Now go ahead and name your good new gun, darling. Here you go. The letter further states that a few days after Tyra gave her statement to the officer, a different officer, Larry Webb, visited Tyra at her grandfather's house. Officer Webb told Tyra that she had forgotten to write down some important things in her statement. He instructed Tyra to add that she and Tiffany had heard six or eight more shots after they went back into the house. Tyra signed another statement to that effect, even though she knew it was not true. The letter also recounted an alleged incident in which Mark Hawes, the new prosecutor from Boise, as she put it, told Tyra that she needed to get rid of Marilyn's Calamity Jane Rifle.

The letter stated that Tyra did not know. why Haas had asked her to do this, but that she, along with her grandfather and uncle, buried Calamity Jane behind a potato seller. After the signature line, the letter contained a postscript stating that Tyra was in Brunow, Idaho, quote, for a cowboy benefit and street dance, then she'd be back to Jerome the next week. Now, family members, including the R-Baw relatives, absolutely dispute the authenticity of this fucking letter. Where did it come from?

This is fake. She's been dead for 14 years and now you pull a letter out of your ass to completely, not even completely exonerates you, but just, you know, makes it look like these kids are up to a lot more than that. It looks like two daughters shot a woman while you were, what, standing over her? Yeah. Why would two daughters shoot a woman while a fucking wanted felon who just raped her was standing there?

Wouldn't you shoot him if you were going to ready, if you were out of bloodlust? Wouldn't you go, this guy's the perfect guy to kill? He's a fucking rapist through that. The cops were after. June 2011, there's a new judge and a new trial here we'll talk about. The case is assigned to a different judge, Judge Robert LG or Elgi. He ruled that the letter was genuine and that Tyra did write it. Based on what?

I don't have any fucking video. How the fuck does he know? Yeah. It's interesting. Now, the Idaho Attorney General's office conceded the letter was written by Tyra because the judge said it was. The family called it a forgery, though. March 2015, this judge vacates J.D.'s conviction and orders a new trial. He found the letter either constituted a Brady violation, which is suppression of exculpatory evidence, that or newly discovered evidence warranting

relief, either one. He said the state's hands are dirty and compared the letter to a video of a police officer shooting an unarmed man in the back. Yikes. Wow. He said the state tried to keep this man locked up in a dark corner of his prison of its prison until he died. And then the judge said this letter will shake your faith in all you believe about this case. If it's real, that's, but we don't know that. Now the bond was set at now there's a bond on him set at $20,000. The AG's office fights it. The Supreme Court denies the AG's request for a stay. And, um, On May 18, 2015, he walks out of the Jerome County Jail. Paroled. No. Out on bail. To waiting a new trial.

Yeah. His family members, they said, looked visibly relieved and obviously happy to see him walk out the doors after all this time. He was 55 years old. Going to stand at this point. Well, another attorney said it's quite an adjustment to be released after 31 years of incarceration. Jamie Charbonneau has got a lot to learn to cope with. He has to learn how to drive a car again and all those things that we take for granted. 2015, yeah.

Yeah, and learn how to use a fucking cell phone. Yeah. Here's an iPhone. Figure that out. Good luck, you piece of shit. There you go. His lawyer said, when you have a case with as many bizarre twists as this one, turn back to have a serious look. It's absolutely a sign that the system does work. Like, see, look, they let them out.

Everything's fine. Yeah. Do your banking on this now. February 15th, 2016 in Star Idaho, about 125 p.m., he calls 911 and says, this lady tried to kidnap me. Remember that? Yeah. Yep. Well, this lady actually ran away.

He's got a fucking crossbow and crouching in her closet. She escaped by telling JD she needed to step into another room real quick and get something. And she ran out of the house barefoot. foot to a neighbor's house and called 911. Well, he's standing there with a crossbow. Yep. Wow. She said she came home.

That's where he was. She said she ran out of her home, called 911. The crossbow and arrows were found dumped in a field across the street from her house. That sounds familiar, doesn't it? Yeah. It was a wheat field, too. Same exact thing. No kidding.

Well, I mean, that's probably all the fields are up there. That's just wheat. Yeah, weed or potatoes. They said the police had Charbonneau on surveillance. at a gas station during the time he said he was being held hostage. So he definitely wasn't kidnapped. What the fuck, sir?

The woman had been out of town during part of the alleged captivity and had company at the house. So there is no way he was kept in this house. Not only is he out, she wasn't even there most of the time. Did he break in to try to, and then she found him? And then he just had to find a cover story fast?

Yes, exactly. Yeah. When she got away from him and called the cops, he goes, oh, fuck, I better blame it on her. Yeah. Just like he did with marriage. And he said, she was going to shoot me. I had to do it.

Then, before the break in, they found out that J.D. had visited the FBI office in Boise to report that his ex-girlfriend, this lady, was illegally selling liquor without a license and that she had, quote, mafia ties. What? It is fucking rural Idaho. What are you talking about? Mafia ties. He's been in prison too long. Wow. Yeah.

The FBI laughed at him and he left and then this happened. and he went to settle it himself with a crossbow. Wow. The bond is set at $1.5 million for this. May 2017, the court unanimously reverses the previous judge's order granting a new trial. Uh-huh. They said the successive post-conviction petition was procedurally barred. The same core issues, recantation of testimony, Brady violations that claim that Tiffany fired the fatal shots,

had been raised and rejected in his third petition for post-year-old. post-conviction relief in 2002. He couldn't raise them again in a different form. Oh. Can't just do that. It's already been rejected, whether the letter exists or not. It's immaterial. Immaterial.

It doesn't matter. Completely fucking immaterial. Yes. And that the Tyra letter was riddled with credibility problems. It contained internal contradictions, including a reference to attending the Pinto Bennett Street dance in Brunau and Brunau that actually occurred 10 days after the letter was supposedly written. They fucked it all up. It contradicted the forensic evidence because all bullets matched the Remington, none matched the Ruger.

It contradicted Charbonneau's own trial testimony about how the shooting occurred and couldn't be cross-examined because Tyra was dead. They said that the reason this, the judge earlier who threw out the case said the reason Charbonneau didn't have the letters is because the state concealed them. But in its ruling release, the Supreme Court said the letter from the victim's daughter was too contradictory to be considered and also addressed the same arguments made in his third appeal. They said he cannot raise the same issue over 13 years later based upon statements from Tyra in a different form. Sharbonneau admitted shooting Marilyn with the Remington rifle while she was unarmed and running away from him. He admitted and he wounded her after, which she was sitting on the ground,

he admitted that he had sole control of the Remington rifle from the time he shot her to the time that he threw it into the wheat field. The forensic evidence showed that she was shot at least 14 times with that rifle and that she was shot one additional time, probably with that rifle, but they don't know, and that she was hit by three bullets coming from her rear. And that the killing shots hit her upper chest and that she was not shot either in the head or with a 22 pistol as he had claimed. Wow. Interesting. Now, third, there was no proven Brady violation, no clear evidence that the prosecutors knowingly possessed or suppressed or suppressed the letter at the time of trial or subsequent proceedings. The chain of custody for the letter was murky at best. And fourth, even if the letter were admitted, it would not undermine the confidence in the verdict. Charbonneau himself admitted to shooting him and ballistics confirmed it.

The conviction is reinstated, life without parole. Uh-huh. And it's dismissed with prejudice as well. And he's going back to prison and he's fucked. And he still has a trial for the crossbow thing. Yeah. And had he not been, that judge that let that shit slide should be in so much trouble. That's wild.

You let this man out and this shit happened? Wow. Within nine months, he was hiding in a woman's closet with a crossbow because she rejected him. And had an order of protection against him. Wow. He's found guilty of burglary and aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. the sentencing, according to the press release, they said in both cases, Charbonneau brought a deadly weapon within days of the attack,

bought the deadly weapon within days of the attack, laid in wait for each victim, left the deadly weapons in adjacent fields, and then claimed to be the victim. He bought a crossbow. Yeah, for this, like two days earlier. Wow. Because he couldn't buy a gun probably because he was. Bet you're right.

Yeah. You, sir, may fuck off 25 years there too. I don't know he's going to get out, James. No, 10 years for the burglary, 15 for the assault. The judge orders the prison sentence run consecutively to his murder conviction. Oh, it's over for this man. Yeah, so even if they, yeah, life without parole plus 25. Holy.

2003 and four, federal habeas challenges followed, including filings in the Ninth Circuit in 20203 and 2024. Nothing has succeeded. He remains incarcerated in the, uh, Idaho system. Wow. There you go, everybody. That is Idaho, Jerome, Idaho, and quite the goddamn crazy case. You didn't think you were going to hear cowboy poetry today, did you?

What a terrible person. He seems like a real bad guy. Who has, he seems to have an MO. Like, if there's ever an MO, that guy's got one. A thing he's doing for sure. Yeah, absolutely. Just a jealous, insecure small man. Possessive, jealous.

Perhaps a lot of those guys that flex about masculinity have the least amount. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Whenever I see like the real, because like, I don't know, we're like guys. Yeah. You play fucking sports and do shit and stuff like that. We're not like fucking. We're not one of those.

I'm not running out there with pictures of my biceps. No, but when I see guys like, you are, you want penis so bad. back. Just go get it. Just go get it. Stop pretending all this. Stop. Just drop it all and go find the biggest dick you can and suck it, my friend. Just sit right on it like a big old lollipop. You're going to be disappointed, man. Yeah. Just let it out, man. Just let it out. Let it out. You're going to be so sad. So there you go. If you like this story, get on whatever app you're listening to. It doesn't matter. And give us five stars. If you're on Netflix, tell your friends, do all that kind of Thank you for all that you do for us, honestly. We cannot tell you how much we appreciate it.

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