Small Town Murder - Social Media Mob Murder Klawock Alaska

Episode Date: January 11, 2026

This week, in Klawock, Alaska, what may hve been a simple misunderstanding, turns into an angry Facebook mob, seeking vengeance. This ends horribly, in a brutally bloody attack, using all kinds of hou...sehold items as weapons, with the killers, running out, into the night. It turns out that they didn't cover their tracks very well, and "Facebook made me do it" is not a great excuse for murder charges!!   Along the way, we find out that some places in Alaska are just about impossible to get to, that you shouldn't catcall anybody, especially from your front yard, and that just because you saw something on social media, it definitely doesn't mean it's true!!   New episodes, every Wednesday & Friday nights!! THE HALLOWEEN VIRTUAL LIVE SHOW!!! 10/30/2025 @ 9:00 PM Eastern Time Get your tickets on moment.co/smalltownmurder  Tickets are $20.  Video Playback will be available for 2 weeks after the live event.    Donate at patreon.com/crimeinsports or at paypal.com and use our email: crimeinsports@gmail.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder, Crime In Sports & Your Stupid Opinions!   Follow us on... instagram.com/smalltownmurder facebook.com/smalltownpod   Also, check out James & Jimmie's other shows, Crime In Sports & Your Stupid Opinions on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts!!

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Starting point is 00:00:01 Hello everybody and welcome back to Small Town Murder Express. Yay! Choochoo! Oh, yay indeed, Jimmy. Yay indeed. My name is James Petrick Allum. I'm my co-host. I'm Jimmy Wiseman.
Starting point is 00:00:27 Thank you folks so much for joining us today on another absolutely crazy Halloween edition of Small Town Murder Express. We have some good stuff here. This is wild too because we're watching the news. It'll make sense later. but we're keeping an eye on news to see because it ties into the story and it's happening today. So hopefully it'll happen before the end of the show.
Starting point is 00:00:51 That doesn't make sense now, but it'll make sense when you hear the story. First of all, shut up and give me murder.com. Get your tickets. Virtual live show, still available. We did it last night and it was incredible. So much fun. The story was wild.
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Starting point is 00:03:00 We're going far today. We're going to Alaska all the way up to Alaska. And this is like... This time of year? This is like middle of nowhere. I mean, Alaska's the middle of nowhere. where a lot of places, this place is crazy remote and weird. The only way to really get there is to like stop at the port in a ship.
Starting point is 00:03:19 Oh. Really. It's crazy. Is this a dry place? Do you know? What do you mean dry? A lot of places in northern Alaska is dry. This is in the northern Alaska.
Starting point is 00:03:27 It's definitely not dry, I think, from what they said. So this is in far southeast Alaska. Oh. Alaska goes all the way down kind of next to BC. It's all the way down in that little strip. Oh. It's like the middle of BC. It's on Prince of Wales.
Starting point is 00:03:41 in southeast Alaska. South. It's crazy. It is, okay, here's the driving times. To Anchorage, 42 hours. What? That includes like five ferries.
Starting point is 00:03:53 Wow. And like all, you can't get there. Four days. Just fly. I don't know what to tell you. To Seattle, 48 and a half hours. Four days. To drive to Seattle.
Starting point is 00:04:04 And 41 hours and 45 minutes to Chugiac, our last Alaska episode, episode 594, family murder spree, which was absolutely nuts that episode. I remember, that was someone got in trouble and then they got mad at the person for getting them in trouble. So then they killed them and then they, someone killed somebody else. It was a crazy one. So this is like on that long peninsula area.
Starting point is 00:04:25 It goes all the way down. Yeah, exactly. It's not in a county. It's in a quote, unorganized area. I don't even know what that means. That's a first. 64-44 episodes. Unincorporated, nothing.
Starting point is 00:04:36 Not unincorporated, unorganized. That's the official designation. 644 episodes. That's the first. We got a lot of paperwork to do still. Yeah, Area Code 907. Population here, 805. Oh, boy.
Starting point is 00:04:49 I'm shocked there's that many people because it's the middle of nowhere. Wow. There was nobody, in 1920, there was 19 people here. Fuck. And then in 1930, there was 437 people here. And we'll talk about why. They opened up a cannery here, so that was the big deal. The median, or the median household.
Starting point is 00:05:08 income here, $53,750 a month. Okay. A month. I'm sorry, a year a month. That's a lot. That's great. We're crushing it up there. I'm going.
Starting point is 00:05:17 Median home cost here, $204,400. Okay. The motto here, Klanakigduck. Okay. It's native. Don't know what that means, but not sure. A little bit of history. The first settlers here were Klinget people who came from the northern winter village of
Starting point is 00:05:37 Tuxeka. Yeah, like tuxedo, but tuxican. They used it as a fishing camp for the summer and called it by a bunch of different names. And Klawak, the name of the town, is derived from the tlinget name Lawa, the man, which is the man who founded the community. All right. That was his name. So there you go. Later on, they opened up a trading post here, like Europeans came, opened up a trading post and a salmon sultory.
Starting point is 00:06:06 Oh, yeah. Keep it fresh. Then in 1878, a San Francisco company opened up the first cannery in Alaska. If you're catching it all up there, might as well can it. So then they got a post office in 1882 once they had some commerce. 1929, the city was incorporated. Then in 34, Congress awarded federal funding for expansion of the cannery. And that, on the condition that the community remains liquor-free, by the way.
Starting point is 00:06:34 Okay. Dry. There you go. So that's why people came in the 30s. they had stuff. In 1931, John Barrymore, the actor.
Starting point is 00:06:43 Drew's dad. No, 1931. Oh, yeah. Great, great grandfather. Maybe not. Probably great grandfather,
Starting point is 00:06:49 but definitely that family, Barrymore family. Looted a totem pole. Oh, Barrymore. From the abandoned village of Tuxican. They stole it? He just stole it. Took it home.
Starting point is 00:06:59 He just stole it. He took it in his living room in Palm Springs and was like, look at that. Don't do that. In 2015, the poll was returned to the Tlinget people. They gave it back. 80 years later?
Starting point is 00:07:09 95. Wow. 85, yeah. Reviews of this town, there's no reviews of this town, but I did find a couple people talking about it and comments on Facebook and stuff. And I found Klaualk, Klaualk, wow, is a very small town compared to Ketchikan. Jesus. Klauuk is K-L-A-W-L-K. Kla-W-L-K.
Starting point is 00:07:33 That's the name of the town. I have a daughter that lives on Prince of Wales Island. can't comprehend Clowoc having room for a ship docking there. Small place. Another person says Clowoc is basically a parking lot. Just got back from there in September, and it was a complete waste of port, to be honest. There's a tiny artisan market,
Starting point is 00:07:54 which is two stalls and the local grocery store. That's about it. So let's talk about that market. Here's a review here. Oh, boy. Four stars. Best place to stock up for a week with groceries from Kaufman Cove. They have a good selection.
Starting point is 00:08:07 of meat and produce along with everything else you need. They have a cafe in the store with wings and some pre-made food. The featured salad was good tomato cucumber Greek salad. As a tourist, it is weird to not be able to get fresh fish, but understandable as everyone fishes for their own. That's okay. I learned how to flirt for fillets. Whoa.
Starting point is 00:08:28 Flirt for fillets. I'm sucking dick for cause. Jesus, that salmon is good up there. That's what it is. So there's no fresh fish. So four stars. Yeah, four stars. I couldn't get it.
Starting point is 00:08:40 I had to give it up. I had to jerk a guy off. I had to jerk off some salty sea guy for some halibut. All of it fucking chunk. Things to do. Well, Klauik has the oldest hatchery in Alaska. Oh. The industry enhances the runs of the salmon, including sock eye, coho, and steelhead.
Starting point is 00:08:59 Hell yeah. Those are all good salmon. A sawmill and area logging operations are located here as well. They have a harbor. often used by tourists as a departure point for trips or boating exploration of the bays, inlets, and surrounding islands. Not a lot going on. This shit sounds cold.
Starting point is 00:09:16 It's cold. It's rural. I mean, this is rugged shit here. This is real shit. Each February 16th, they sponsor the Elizabeth Petrotrovich Celebration, which is, we're mentioning this little, because it's important in the story, with ceremonies and a potluck honoring the anniversary of the passage of landmark legislation, which, we're which was to make sure to give the native people fishing rights and all that shit.
Starting point is 00:09:41 She went to Congress in 1945. The city also sponsors a summer festival the Celebration by the Sea. Okay. Let's talk about that. The celebration of the sea, art walk. Yeah. It says, yeah, just basically they put art up and you walk around. Celebrate the sea with my picture.
Starting point is 00:09:59 Pictures of the sea that I drew myself. All right. And also there's totem park. Yeah. which has 21 totem poles. Used to have 20 and then got one back from John Barrymore. One of the largest collections in Alaska, 21 totem poles, it displays original and replica totems.
Starting point is 00:10:16 Replica, I don't want to see replica. Give me original. He doesn't know what a replica. From the old village of Tuxican, where he stole the thing. The city built a carving shed to house the poles during restoration, which can be visited. In 1998, the city commissioned the construction of a long house
Starting point is 00:10:33 with a new totem pole. Oh. Wow. Okay. Not a lot to do there. That said, let's talk about some murder. Okay. Now, to give you an idea of how remote this place is.
Starting point is 00:10:45 It's four days, if you, let's say something happens, you need to call for an ambulance. You better hope it's four days' survival. Or a police officer. They have to take a boat to you. Stop it. So this is not easy. My God. They say at the winter nights are 17 hours long.
Starting point is 00:11:05 Yeah. Of darkness. Yeah. Long nights. It's and also everybody knows everybody in this town. And this isn't a place people move to. This is a place where your family's been here for 10 generations. Right.
Starting point is 00:11:16 Or they haven't and you don't come here. Yeah. Because there's no reason to be here otherwise. Four days drive. It's crazy. Yeah. It's crazy. So everyone knows everybody.
Starting point is 00:11:26 Uh-huh. And all that kind of thing. So let's go back very short amount of time. in 2023. Oh, yeah. Just happened here. I remember it. Absolutely. Barely, but it's there.
Starting point is 00:11:37 Monday, March 20th, 2023. Let's talk about an old man. He's 80 years old. Yeah. Lincoln Petrotrovich. Uh-huh. I remember that name. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:11:47 Okay. Some family here. Now, everyone calls him bingo. Oh. Yeah. All right. He wins a lot? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:11:55 He's a big winner down at the church there. He's got a dog. So bingo here. he's lived here his whole life he lives alone in a trailer on Church Street yeah okay now his family very prominent to this area as Elizabeth is related to him
Starting point is 00:12:11 they got a whole day for her it's a whole day every year it's a big day he lives alone he's 80 years old but he's he knows everybody still and talks to everybody and everything like that but he lives alone chops all his own wood at 80 chopping wood sucks now it's so hard I hate it it's the worst thing
Starting point is 00:12:28 in the world so that at 80 If you're mad, it's a pretty good day. It'll work out. It's like punching a heavy bag. So on this particular Monday afternoon, he's outside chopping wood. Okay. Now, a little background on him before we get to what happened here. Now, his uncle Frank Petrovich is the former mayor of Klauick and served in the territorial legislature.
Starting point is 00:12:50 He lived a long time, do you live 90 years? He is, this guy was a mix of Tling. and Serbian. Oh. Which I don't even know how. Those are so far away from each other. Somebody got lost. Some Serbian came over here.
Starting point is 00:13:07 And this guy worked, Frank worked as a fisherman, a logger, a cannery operator, a merchant. During World War II, he served in the U.S. Navy. Frank here served as mayor of Clowick, which, you know, basically he really pushed for the fishing stuff too here. He was elected to the Alaska Territorial House of Representatives in 1914. served in the Alaskan Senate in 19, from 51 to 59, advocating for rural and native interests during the push for statehood, because they weren't even a fucking state yet. Wow. He was the first vice president of the Alaska Constitutional Convention from 55 to 56, helping draft the document that transitioned them in the statehood in 59. Later on, he was the Alaska State Senate president, by the way.
Starting point is 00:13:57 So he did that. 59, huh? Yeah, 59. And then, so anyway, he's related to Roy Petrovich and Elizabeth Petrovich. Roy is Frank's brother and was also born here and married Elizabeth Wanamaker, who is Elizabeth Petroovich. Later on, she was a tlingot woman from Petersburg, Alaska. They got married in 1933 and moved to Clowoc early in the marriage, and that's where this family settled in there. Where they became active in local politics, as we know.
Starting point is 00:14:32 Elizabeth went before the territorial legislature in 1945 to demand equality for the native Alaskans because they didn't have the same rights, the same fishing rights and things like that, the stuff they needed. So she did that. February 16th is Elizabeth Petrotrovich Day in Alaska. And her image appeared on U.S. currency in 2020, making her the first Alaska native to be featured on money. What is she on? Do we know? I don't know which currency.
Starting point is 00:15:00 Maybe that's the dollar. Maybe a quarter, who knows? Might be that. I don't know. Yeah, we put, uh, uh, Pocahontas, is it Pocahontas that we put on there? No. No. Saka Juaia.
Starting point is 00:15:10 Who's Pocahontas is made up. Yeah, right. Pocahontas is a Disney character. The pause for me, by the way, who was. Yeah, you blinked and shook your head. I, I, I turned sideways. I took my head like a dog. What's he doing?
Starting point is 00:15:25 And, like, blinked my eyes. And I was like, I was like, I was like, I was. I thought it was a joke at first of a minute. Oh, he's serious. This is bad. I got to rescue him. Sagittia. Lewis and Clark.
Starting point is 00:15:33 Yeah, that's, yeah. Maybe they put her on the coin. Yeah. The Alaskan one maybe. Maybe. That's what I was thinking, too. Now, um. All the colors of the wind.
Starting point is 00:15:44 That is amazing. Oh, man. So these family's story began with John Petrotovich, who was the Croatian immigrant. No. Born around 1860, which at the time, part of Yugoslavia, and moved him. He was a fisherman. He took off in the sea,
Starting point is 00:16:02 arrived in San Francisco. And when it was a real big boom time for whaling and sealing, clubbing seals and killing whales was huge. He was like, that's my spot. I'm a real piece of shit. This guy got in a shipwreck off the seal island and was rescued by locals, the natives, and then made his way to Sitka, Alaska.
Starting point is 00:16:27 on a Russian ship. Wow. And just fucking stayed in Alaska. It was like, this is good enough. In 1876, during a canoe journey to Victoria, Canada, he stopped at the, at the Tlinget village of Klauuk and decided this will work and settled there permanently. That's it. He got into the whole community, worked as a skilled netmaker.
Starting point is 00:16:48 Oh. He made nets. I guess it takes skill. Yeah. At the salmon cannery, which was the only one operating in the area at the time. So big deal. He's best nets in town. He married three tlingate women over his lifetime, fathered 16 children.
Starting point is 00:17:04 Jesus. That's what spread so many Petritrovich is around, and then they have been doing well since. They've been prospering. Look at him. Now, bingo, Lincoln here, he is obviously a descendant of the family. Here, Lincoln continued all this. He's born and raised here, deeply involved in the whole culture and the subsistence practices and everything like that.
Starting point is 00:17:28 Even in 2009-ish, he was still fighting for native fishing rights. He joined a big lawsuit that sued the Secretary of the Interior and the Secretary of Agriculture for certain native fishing rights and things like that. And I think I found who he was named after, or not possibly who was named after. There's another Lincoln Petroovich. Oh. Who is born in Clowick and died in Clowick. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:59 So he was born in 1919, died in 1942. So a young man. Young man, yeah. So that's interesting. So I don't know if he was named after him because he was born the year after this guy died. Got to be that. So it has to be named after him. Yeah, this guy died from quote, I found his death certificate.
Starting point is 00:18:18 Accidental drowning under it in parentheses had been drinking. Ha! He got shit face to when Schlimmin and died. So that's pretty bad stuff. He has shit face and was like, it's colder than I thought. Oh, this is bad. So back to March 23, 2023. Now, old bingo is out chopping wood.
Starting point is 00:18:37 Yeah. Splitting wood. 80 years old. 80 years old. He doesn't have the best eyesight now. Not 80. He's 80 from a distance. He sees somebody walk by.
Starting point is 00:18:46 Yeah. With the female figure form that he sees. Even if you can't see well, you can see curves. You'll stop a beat. Well, he stopped a beat and he whistled out. Oh, Lincoln. Lincoln, yeah. I mean, he's 80.
Starting point is 00:18:58 I don't know. He's cat calling. He whistled at her, which is... For attention or like, you know what I mean? Yeah, no. That one. That one. Like, yeah, look at you.
Starting point is 00:19:08 But it's real weird from your yard. You don't cat call people from your yard. You can't call people from like the third story of a construction site or something. You don't cat call that either. I'm saying, don't do it. But if you do... Do it from distance. That's a real, well, more normal way to fucking do it than from your...
Starting point is 00:19:25 from your yard while they walk by on your street. That's just weird. As you're hacking away at some spruce. To cat call your neighbor is just a weird thing to do. So she turned around and he could see, he went a little closer and he can see, oh, she's not a full-grown woman. This is a young woman. You asshole. Way younger than I thought.
Starting point is 00:19:48 First of all, he's 80. Yeah. So he thought he was whistling at a girl in her 20s. Come on, Lincoln. What are we doing, Bingo? Ah, shit. I know you're lucky in Bingo, but this is not going to get that lucky. This is Z-72.
Starting point is 00:20:02 This girl is 13. Eish, Lincoln. Lincoln. You can't be. No. He saw that once he, whatever, once she turned around and he got a good look at her. He saw she was way younger than he thought. But instead, he was nice.
Starting point is 00:20:16 He tried to be friendly, quote unquote, with her, and invited her inside for something to eat. Lincoln. I don't know what his intentions were. Yeah. But that's weird. If you're a 13-year-old girl, there's an 80-year-old man inviting you in to eat. You're creeped out by it.
Starting point is 00:20:29 You should be. Oh, shit. You're so young. I'm sorry. Would you like a you? Unless your life has been full of abuse, you will find that weird. You know what I mean? So come on in for some milk and cookies.
Starting point is 00:20:39 I'm so sorry. It's so weird. No, don't do that either. She said, no, thank you. And he shrugged it off and went back to his wood pile and kept shopping. She kept walking. So this girl, like I said, is 13. So she goes home and tells her uncle about it who contacts the Alaska
Starting point is 00:20:54 state troopers over this, which... Not illegal. It seems a little... Yeah, unless he... It's creepy. Yeah. But I don't know if it's like police. I don't know if a crime happened.
Starting point is 00:21:05 You know what I mean? So it's just weird. So anyway, this whole afternoon is now spent with the Alaska State Troopers coming in and talking to him, talking to the girl. And from there, it kind of blew up out of this.
Starting point is 00:21:22 Really? It's a weird thing. It didn't come down. to, hey, that girl was 13, don't do that. And he's not saying, okay. Well, no, no, that's what happened here. But for some reason, like, the girl tells the story to the cops. Then the family, her uncle starts telling a story to the cops.
Starting point is 00:21:38 And every story, it gets more and more. It gets worse and worse. He gets more aggressive and more whatever. So the officers interview, interview bingo. And he admits to whistling at her. He said, I thought she was older. And then she turned around. I went, oh, no.
Starting point is 00:21:54 So he said, I did invite her in for food. I was just trying to be friendly. You know, it's a small area. That's what we do around here. You know, I know everybody. I was embarrassed. I didn't know what to do. Whatever.
Starting point is 00:22:06 He denies that he followed the, because they said, after a while, they started saying that he followed her and was threatening her with the axe. Okay. If an 80-year-old man's following you with an axe, just walk a slightly faster. You're fine. Take a step more. Number one. But still, if an 80-year-old man was trying to, come out of a 13-year-old girl at X. Obviously, that's horrible. So, but there's no proof of that.
Starting point is 00:22:29 And the original story was not that. So the, basically, the troopers determined that no crime had occurred. And 2023, there's some ring doorbell footage somewhere. It's got to be, right? I don't even know if that's gotten here yet. We're waiting on the ship to come in with all the ring doorbells so we can get them. We've heard tell them mini-discs around here. Oh, they got, oh, boy. I hear there's a, there's a thing you can put in your pocket and it plays a tape to head to head phones right on your head it's wild music right through a audio cassette it's amazing the quality on it now um so he says no crime occurred but does advise the family if you're that worried about it you can get a restraining order yeah that way he was not allowed to yell at her or talk to her or do anything
Starting point is 00:23:10 anymore and she should not walk by his house probably and we'll call it a day so that's the afternoon everybody goes home yeah everything seems settled basically you don't whistle at 13 year old. Fine. Stay away from the old man. Whatever. Back to your respective corners. Okay.
Starting point is 00:23:29 Okay. Now, that night, it gets crazy. It got worse. It gets crazy because her family starts posting on Facebook about it. What? And I'll tell you something. If there is one thing on social media that people like to really, really make sure that people know, it's that they hate pedifiers. They really want you to know that.
Starting point is 00:23:55 Boy are people against that. We get it. We all are against. The thing, can you imagine, James, just being... If you have to say it, it means... Yeah, but the worst would be being confused with maybe support. You never know. You got to be vocal.
Starting point is 00:24:11 I want people to know us what side I'm on. I've seen people in T-shirts. I just saw, this was this week. I saw a man that I unfriended him that was, um, that was, um, I assume one of our listeners. I hope you're listening, weirdo. That actually posted he was dead serious. I'm putting together a team to go after pedophiles.
Starting point is 00:24:31 Oh, my God. I called police, man. He said, no, no, you know, DM me, no bullshit. No, I'd like to help. This is real. We're going to track these people. You better not. And there's people.
Starting point is 00:24:40 I'm on board, tons of can't wait. Oh, my God. Be a cop, you stupid asshole. Wow. Stop it. Stop with the vigilante bullshit. You're dumb and you don't, you don't, you don't, have the investigative talent,
Starting point is 00:24:52 skills, or resources to know what's true and false to go after people. You don't. You know, social media insanity. There's laws that you're not allowed to utilize records like that to assault them. We would all love to beat pedophile. I wish
Starting point is 00:25:08 they didn't exist. Love it. I would love to beat the shit out of bed. It'd be great. But that's not how the world works. We can't live in a world like that. Find a man who who liked children. What if you make a mistake? That's the problem. What if you get his twin brother?
Starting point is 00:25:23 Yeah. Or what if someone mistake? There's so many ways. So much to go wrong here. It's bad. What if that's not even the man? Yeah. Like imagine if when the people walked in, Chris Hanson came with a folding chair and fucking
Starting point is 00:25:35 bashed him in the side of the head. You know what I mean? It'd be like, this is crazy. We don't even know what happened yet. So anyway, this Facebook post comes out. Describing the incident and saying, posting this guy is quote sexually interested in young girls so now you have said he's a pedophile to the whole area in this area there's not a lot of news there's not a lot of anything
Starting point is 00:26:03 facebook is the local you know how we talk the town meeting basically so by the end of the night everybody in town has seen this they're commenting comment section all violent threats let's get him we should go get him let this is bullshit we need frontier justice. I mean, that's all that's on here. Wow. It's everybody saying, let's go kill him. We got to stop. This, I mean, this just happened. This just happened. That's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:26:30 So this spreads through the community. By the end of the night, everybody in town thinks bingo's a pedophile and they want to murder him. God damn. Okay. Now, this is crazy. We don't know who made the original post on Facebook, but it really took off and went nuts. We do know the girl who's, the original 13-year-old girl was not the one who posted it. That we do know. Good, because she's not even allowed on Facebook. No. Well, 13 you are, I think.
Starting point is 00:26:55 Are you? I think 13 is the cutoff. I'm pretty sure. So, and the story was more embellished on there, too. It had a lot of, basically, you know, drool dripping from his fangs as he said, Glock was out. Get over here. My dick needs some rubbing.
Starting point is 00:27:10 So much. Yeah, so much. I'm standing in a puddle. So that's what happened. The Post says he's a predator. she's a victim and we need to defend this girl and defend all the young girls of our town by ridding ourselves of this pedophile. Are you a father? Handle it yourself.
Starting point is 00:27:30 You go over there, knock on the fucking door and talk to him. Why do you need 40 fucking people? They got to have a- Go have a chat with the guy. Because they're not going to do anything. They just want to have a mob. People love to have a mob. So sick.
Starting point is 00:27:39 Why don't you be a tough guy and do it yourself, you fucking pussy? So the comment section, someone should deal with him. That way he won't do it again. We need to protect our own. These are all quotes from here. It's bonkers. So that night, still, we're 1.30 in the morning now. Late that night.
Starting point is 00:27:56 Still going. This has happened 12 hours ago. Wildfire. Okay. There's people walking in the street. Moses Scott Blanchard is one of them. He's 21 years old. All these people are native to this area.
Starting point is 00:28:09 Nobody's like on vacation or moved here from fucking St. Louis. Like, that didn't happen. They're all born and raised here. Got a brand new position. Yeah. Blaze. Blaze, B-L-A-I-S-E, Blaise Andrew D-L-T-T-S, that's just a bad name.
Starting point is 00:28:26 Sounds like D-L-T-S. He's 21. We also have Gonzalo Sanchez, who's 17, walking in this group. With them is the 13-year-old girl from today. Now, why, it's 1.30 a.m. on a Monday night. Yeah. This is not the summer.
Starting point is 00:28:44 Why is they a 21-year-olds? Is it 21? Why are two 21-year-olds and a 17-year-old walking-old? Even knowing a 13-year-old, I get it's a small town, but why are they hanging out at 1.30 in the morning? I have her out. What's going on? Why are any of these people walking at 130? As far as I'm concerned, those 21-year-olds are just as bad as the 80-year-old.
Starting point is 00:29:02 Worse? Yeah. They're out at 1-30 in the morning with her. And also with two children. There's a 17-year-old here, too. So I don't get that. So they're walking on a trail, and they pass near Bingo's trailer. And the girl says she's scared to walk past the trailer.
Starting point is 00:29:18 and Blanchard here, Moses and Blaze, here Blanchard and Diltz, they tell her, don't worry, we're with you. We can go right up to that trailer. So they approach the trailer. Why? Well, we'll find out why. They approached the trailer. Right away, you're looking for trouble at this point. And they are looking for trouble.
Starting point is 00:29:39 They're not looking to just look in the trailer. The Deltz guy, Blaze, punches through the trailer window. Yep. And breaks it open, then kicks in the door. Now there's a crime. Now we got crime finally. So the three young men enter leaving the 13-year-old outside. They enter.
Starting point is 00:29:57 Bingo must be a deep sleeper. Because when they enter, they find Bingo sound asleep on a mattress on the floor. He's an 80-year-old. He probably looks like he's already dead. And he was chopping woods. He's got to be tired. Exhausted. So he's 80 years old and unconscious, obviously.
Starting point is 00:30:16 they just attack him. Wow. They start punching and kicking this man in his sleep. He wakes up during it, obviously, while he's being punched and kicked. Then they get bored punching and kicking him. They're beating him. They get bored, so they grab some of the logs that he had cut earlier in the day that were by the fireplace and start beating him with the logs. Beating him with logs.
Starting point is 00:30:40 Then they get bored with that. Yeah. This is exhausting. They're hard. We get splinters. This is crazy. So then they grab a folding chair. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:51 Extreme wrestling style here. ECW, ECW. Start fucking beating him with folding chairs. Then there's a milk crate. They start beating him with as well, a wooden milk crate. Then finally, they find... Fluorescent bulbs. No.
Starting point is 00:31:06 Yeah. They barbed wire around the sides of the room. Cut promos on each other. Asholes. No. Then they grab. This is horrible. They grab a 15-pound cannonball-shaped decorative thing that he had
Starting point is 00:31:23 and start beating him with that about the head and face. Ah, Jesus. Beating him about most of these, most of everything is directed toward his head and face, by the way. This is nothing in the body. Now, as this beating is happening inside, and this is going on and on and on, and on, of someone drives by,
Starting point is 00:31:45 Yeah. The lonely 13-year-old girl. Standing in the yard at 1.30 in the morning. Imagine how dark it is out there. First of all, the passing motorists, we never find out who this is, but he honks a whole bunch, repeatedly honks the horn as he passes by the house. Yeah. Don't know why. Don't know because they saw something look wrong in the trailer or what it is.
Starting point is 00:32:05 They didn't stop. They didn't call the cops at the time later on. But they honk and honk and honk. This freaks out the three inside. Yeah. They hear all this honking and fucking. run. Okay.
Starting point is 00:32:16 Because they think, oh shit, what's going on here? So they leave Lincoln, old bingo, in a pile of himself, of viscera on the floor, and run outside.
Starting point is 00:32:28 Yeah. Okay, they run from the trailer. They take off down the street. At that point, two more juveniles under 18 people are driving by,
Starting point is 00:32:39 why are all these kids out in the middle of the night? What's happening? On a Monday? On a Monday night. What, what, school, motherfucker.
Starting point is 00:32:46 School. Go to bed. Is it spring break? What's going on? Maybe. Something. But anyway, they still shouldn't be out at 1.30 in the morning. It's still frozen in Alaska.
Starting point is 00:32:55 They don't have spring break? I don't know. Spring breaks in August. They have frozen breaks, ice break they have for you. So two other kids show up and they hop in with those kids and leave. Wow. Leave the area. Someone called 911.
Starting point is 00:33:10 No? Not those guys. We assume maybe the passing motorist called 911. because by 3 a.m., Alaska State Troopers arrive. This is, by the way, 90 minutes after the 911 call. Wow. They called 911. An hour and a half later they got there.
Starting point is 00:33:25 It took them an hour and a half to get there. That's how long it took to get there. And we'll find out why, by the way. That's not normal for the area. They find Petrovich with severe head and facial trauma, blood on multiple objects, signs of being beaten repeatedly with multiple heavy objects. and he dies on the way out basically. Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:33:49 He doesn't make it to the hospital. He was barely. He was barely breathing when they got there. And it took 90 minutes because they had to get here from Craig Alaska, which is crazy. Apparently, Clowick had no local police, no ambulance. 90 minutes it took. And the reason why it took that long was in January, two months earlier, the police chief died unexpectedly. Oh.
Starting point is 00:34:15 And they never hired anybody else. So they don't have a police force. They don't even have Monster.com. Chief died. Get on LinkedIn, guys. Figure it out. Put a fucking badge on somebody. Christ.
Starting point is 00:34:27 So it took 90 minutes and it's basically unpoliced this area. Wow. That's why kids are out all night because nobody's doing shit. No one gives a shit. They can do whatever you want. So they get to the crime scene here. The broken window is looks like where they first came. in. They show a kicked in door.
Starting point is 00:34:46 They're like, okay, that's aggressive. Blood on all these objects. The mattress on the floor is covered in blood as well here. It's bad. They find all the different weapons that they call this one obviously was use. There's blood spatter everywhere. Because as you're beating somebody, there's blood. It's throwing.
Starting point is 00:35:02 It's all over the place. The autopsy shows the cause of death being blunt force trauma, severe head and facial injuries consistent with being beaten by multiple objects. Wow. Now, they said that the complete lack of defensive wounds
Starting point is 00:35:18 because he was sleeping and then he was unconscious. Right. He was sleeping, then he just started getting beaten and never got to even put his hands up. You don't even have, just block anything.
Starting point is 00:35:27 Yeah, you don't even know where it's coming from and then you're unconscious. Because then they started beating him with objects too. So they said the definite facial and head focus wow, that is fucking wild.
Starting point is 00:35:40 They said that the violence escalated as it continued, started out, with fists and then moved on to the heavier heavier stuff. They said basically it's the overkill in the nature of the injuries. Wounds upon wounds
Starting point is 00:35:54 no need to beat him this badly. Probably didn't need the 15 pound cannonball basically. Probably would have died anyway. He's 80. You can beat an 80-year-old to death pretty easy. Pretty easy. Pretty easy. Probably as a milk job. They can just fall down and die. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it doesn't take much. Oh, they fall down, break a hip, and then it's just
Starting point is 00:36:10 like from there, a week later they're gone. It'll deteriorate, yeah. From your hip. So they said even if help arrived immediately, he probably wouldn't have made it anyway. A lot of blood loss, a lot of trauma to the brain. They said it wouldn't have happened. They said it's better this way, basically. Now the investigation, they didn't know what to do.
Starting point is 00:36:29 We got a scene. We got no witnesses. We got a middle of nowhere crime scene. Yeah. We got a mess on our hands. Yeah. We don't know. So they had no fucking idea.
Starting point is 00:36:39 They start investigating. The good part is in a small town like this, Everybody knows everything. Yeah. So that helps. And they immediately find on Facebook all these posts. About how much hatred everybody else. They literally just looked them up on social media and was like, wow, a lot of people hate this guy.
Starting point is 00:36:55 Three hundred comments. We got 300 suspects. Yep. So they preserved the Facebook post and its comments for later, do all the screenshots. And they're like, holy shit, they could watch it being, oh, they said the comments went from concern of, oh, I hope she's okay. And, you know, oh, we got to keep an eye out. watch your kids to anger, to then rage, then calls for violence, then plans for violence and putting it together. You could just watch a mob mentality in real time.
Starting point is 00:37:26 It's fucking insane. It's wild. So the next day, March 22nd, because they investigate all the Tuesday, the 21st, Wednesday, the 22nd of March, they locate the 13th year old. They realize that's where this all came from. So they talked to her. she confirmed she was walking with a group of kids, a group of men, I should say. Adults.
Starting point is 00:37:50 She said we did, we were walking. We did pass by Bingo's house, and I said I was scared. She said, then they all went inside and I stayed outside, so I don't know what happened. All right. But I do know who it was. It's this guy, this guy, it's Blaze and Moses and Gonzalo, so you should talk to them. We fled. So they get Blaze dilts in there.
Starting point is 00:38:12 Oh, yeah. And this is fucking amazing. This is 2025. The 2020s in one little nutshell here. He said, well, there was a Facebook post about Petrovich approaching a 13-year-old girl and chasing her with an ex. Okay. So they said, so they said, well, do you, did you just see it on Facebook? Like, how do you know it was, that's true?
Starting point is 00:38:36 And he said, no. So they said, well, why would you do that? You don't even know it's true. Why would you do it? And he said, quote, because it was on Facebook. Oh, boy. This is dangerous. Because it was on Facebook.
Starting point is 00:38:52 So I figured someone must have edited it. I got to fix it. Yeah. Someone must have edited it. No, someone just talked shit. There's monkeys on the street in New Jersey. All over the place. God damn it.
Starting point is 00:39:01 It's crazy. So it was on Facebook. Wow. They said, so you went over there and you did this. He was like, yeah, fucking did the right thing, right? They were like, hey, hey dummy. Did you call him for medical help? No. Did you even attempt to verify any of these allegations before the attack? And he said, no.
Starting point is 00:39:21 She was with us. She's got to be true. Must be true. She said she was scared. Must be true. So why would you do this? And it's just, well, everyone said it was a good idea. Why wouldn't I? So then they bring Moses Blanchard in and he said, yeah, I knew about the Facebook post. First of all, Dilt said he didn't even see the Facebook post. Really? That's the other thing. He just heard about it. He heard. He heard tell of it. He didn't even see the post.
Starting point is 00:39:49 I don't have internet. Literally, Moses Blanchard saw the post and told them about it. And he goes, we'll get him. So he was like, really, that's some of a bitch. So he didn't even see the post. He heard about a post. That was on Facebook and said, well, that's got to be fact. So Moses said, Moses Blanchard said, yeah, I know about the Facebook post.
Starting point is 00:40:09 I saw it. Yeah. I was mad about it. And he said, yeah, he participated in the beating. He did say that he thought that Petrovich definitely needed medical attention. This is the dumbest thing to say in an interrogation. He said, but then I thought about it. And I said, if he survived, he's probably going to be able to identify me.
Starting point is 00:40:29 So I should kill him. Which is the exact thing that it's like, don't say the last quiet part out loud. Jesus Christ. And then I was like, no witnesses. What are you doing, man? You're fucking dummy. So, you know, I thought it was better to let him die. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:47 At that point, they were like, holy shit. He also says that the other, the 17-year-old, Sanchez, his involvement was minimal. Yeah. Said he put a couple shots in, but he wasn't the main. He gave us. It was me and Blaze that were really doing it. And then Blaze got a little tired, and I really, I was gung-hoed Moses said. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:07 So both of these idiots are arrested. Oh, wow. They're held at the Craig Police Department, and there's bail-a-s. set at $600,000 each, which they don't have. Now, the charges are first degree murder, second degree murder, manslaughter, first degree burglary with both of them. We'll explain that in a minute. We'll explain it.
Starting point is 00:41:27 March 31st now, a week later, they arrest Gonzalo Sanchez. They got him. He is basically both guys, everybody's statements, both of them say he didn't participate very much in it. He participated in it, but he wasn't the main pusher. And if he's 17 and they're both 21, he can't stop them from doing that. They're not going to listen to a 17-year-old. Hey, junior in high school, shut the fuck up.
Starting point is 00:41:49 I'm allowed to buy beer. Go away. Not here, but other places. If I go to St. Louis one day. It's coming. So now, he is charged as an adult, though. Okay. The state law requires adult charges for murder if the person's over 16.
Starting point is 00:42:04 His bail is also set at $600,000. He is charged with second-degree murder, manslaughter, first-degree burglary. So they take the first degree off for him. And going nowhere. Going nowhere. Now, they end up updating the bail, as they often do here. You can either, it's $500,000 cash bond or some sort of appearance bail you can do. They have different system up there.
Starting point is 00:42:30 Anyway, they're all held together. Good. Now, the prosecution has a strategy with these charges, and that is to give the jury options. First degree murder required proving premeditation. So what if you don't prove that? Although the only reason they were there was because of the Facebook. So it has to be premeditation. They didn't just wander by his house.
Starting point is 00:42:50 No. Second degree means intent without planning. I meant to kill him, but I didn't plan to kill him. It just happened. We brought nothing. We didn't bring weapons or anything. Manslaughter is just reckless disregard. You didn't care.
Starting point is 00:43:03 Burglary charges are easy, obviously. They undeniably said and admitted to breaking into the home. So that's easy. That's an easy one. Now, first degree murder in Alaska is intentional causing of death with premeditation maximum 99 years for that there they do it based on years second degree murder like we said is you know heat of passion type of deal or whatever that is maximum 99 years also okay so it doesn't matter really not a much of a distinction in terms of except for they'll probably
Starting point is 00:43:29 give you less because it's second degree manslaughter is reckless causing of death and a lesser sentence range by far it's like from like five years on so there's a lot of a lot of weighing yeah that's a lot in the judge's hands to figure out what it is. And some outs and what happens. Did you bash his fucking skull in with a cannonball or did you get in a bar fight? Did you bounce them off your hood of your car? Yeah, when you were drunk or something. So either way, that's what they're doing.
Starting point is 00:43:56 Now, Bingo's niece makes a Facebook post saying, quote, my uncle has been killed over gossip. Yeah. Which is pretty true. Not wrong, but don't do this. And this completely divides the community because some people are like, Yeah, this is bullshit. And some people are like, good, kill them pedophiles, even though we don't have proof of anything. They're divided over pedophilia and non.
Starting point is 00:44:19 And non-pedit. Well, they're divided over vigilante justice and figuring out what happened first. Right. You know what I mean? That seems interesting. So also for this, people start deleting their comments on their posts all of them. I don't want to be a part of that. Disappear in comments.
Starting point is 00:44:36 Just poof, poof, poof. Wow. And now the other teens who picked them up. Yeah. On the road, that's a, you know, after the fact. That's a problem. Charge there. They are not charged as adults.
Starting point is 00:44:48 They made cooperation agreements and told all they knew and their names are sealed by the court. So we never find out who they are. They don't know who they are. It's part of the deal they made. They're just a couple of vague dipshitshits out there. A.m. assholes. So they have very different versions, okay? Basically, the difference between first and second degree murder is the prosecution and defense.
Starting point is 00:45:09 prosecution argues that breaking in showed planning. If he was out in the yard, it would have been different. You went after him. You went into his house. What were you going to do? Yeah, show up and break in and go,
Starting point is 00:45:22 don't touch young girls. You didn't even wake him up. Now, the defense is that this was spontaneous mob action. It was a mob atmosphere where they got a whole, everybody gassed each other up and it fed on it.
Starting point is 00:45:35 Now, three people isn't really a mob. So 10 is a mob. Three, you can go, Hey, Bob and Carl, shut the fuck up for a minute. What are we doing here, you assol? It's different. If there's 10 people, you can't get everyone's attention. There's nothing you can do.
Starting point is 00:45:46 If there's two other people, you can talk to them. So the defense couldn't claim innocent, so they sought to say these are young men who thought they were doing the right thing. They're not hard in criminals, you know, they're nice kids and all that kind of thing. They thought they were protecting children. All three on trial together? No, no, no. Just separate. But they're all being charged.
Starting point is 00:46:04 They were wrong, but their intentions weren't evil. You know what I mean? I don't know. You bashed. You focused on the head. You were destroying this person. You beat, you took whatever fucking items you could find around the house.
Starting point is 00:46:18 Around his house. Just shit to beat him with. Beat him with his own shit. What if we beat him with this? That'd be like, that's crazy. You beat him. Look.
Starting point is 00:46:26 And you know they were all excited when they were doing it too. Because they think they're doing the right thing. They think they're doing the right thing. And they're not. So May 1st, 2025, Blaze Diltz makes a plea deal. He's the first. What a pussy. Domino to fall.
Starting point is 00:46:40 Yep. He changes his plea from not guilty to guilty, accepts a second degree murder charge and the burglary charge as well here. He says he will cooperate with the prostitution. Prostitution. I'm cooperating with him too. Yeah, who wouldn't? He's going to cooperate with the prostitution.
Starting point is 00:46:59 Take your dick out. Okay. You got it. There you go. There it is. I'm cooperating. Put it in my mouth. There you go.
Starting point is 00:47:06 There you go. All right. and he will testify against co-defendants if necessary as well. What a little bitch. Yeah, he's the little bit. He cracked it. Not even the 17-year-old. No.
Starting point is 00:47:18 That's who you'd expect. The adult man. The adult 21-year-old man. You know, bitch. June 7. Well, now it puts a lot of pressure on the other two because he's going to testify against you and blame it all on you. We did it. Shit.
Starting point is 00:47:30 Not a lot of me. Mostly him. Yeah, that's what's going to be. Who? The guy sitting right there in that chair. It's him. So June 7th, a month later, Moses Blancher decides he needs to plead too. Ah, you little bitch.
Starting point is 00:47:43 He's got no choice. Big tough guys. Yep. So he pleads guilty to second degree murder, first degree burglary. He is identified by everyone as the most, the aggressor. Even he said, even when everyone else stopped, I thought we should kill him. Way to go, Batman. And the reason is because he could identify me.
Starting point is 00:48:00 So he's the dumbest of the group, obviously. He's eliminating witnesses. So the mitigators and aggravators for both. because there's a big sentencing range. So they're really trying to, it could be huge or not huge. So they said, obviously the aggravators are an 80-year-old man.
Starting point is 00:48:17 Right. The fact that he was sleeping, you gave him no chance to defend himself. Three on one on a sleeping 80-year-old. Real tough. Yeah, the fact that they kept beating him, there was no remorse, there was no, hey, his skull is broken.
Starting point is 00:48:30 Maybe we should stop. They definitely didn't try to help him or get medical attention, and they ran away and tried to hide. So the prosecution wants maximum sentences. Minningating factors are they're young. Not that young. 21 ain't that young.
Starting point is 00:48:46 He's figured it out. He knows what's wrong. You know what's up. The whole community was up in arms, so he just got a swept up in the whole mix here. And he believed they were protecting children and DILTS cooperated and they made guilty pleas and they have no prior criminal records.
Starting point is 00:49:04 So come on. So September 22nd, 2025, a month ago, is DILTS's sentencing. The state's theory based on a review of the evidence is that co-defendants, Gonzalo Sanchez, and Blaz, ceased their attack while Lincoln Petrotrovich was still alive. Moses Blanchard continued the assault. Diltz participated, but was not the most culpable. This is the prosecution, by the way, saying this, trying to help him out. And they emphasized cooperation with law enforcement.
Starting point is 00:49:34 He helped out a lot. He gave us all the stuff we needed. He's a little bitch, Your Honor. Look at him. He's a little bitch. Look at this kid. You could kick his ass, Your Honor. I'm telling you, what are you, 75?
Starting point is 00:49:41 Just don't fall asleep. One-on-one, you can take him, I think. The defense argument is that the, like, they didn't see the rumors online directly. They heard about them through others and gassed them all up and that they didn't intend to kill Petroovich. I can't. When you grab a 15-pound cannonball, you're planning on killing somebody. That's death. And that they expressed remorse.
Starting point is 00:50:04 So DILTS here, the judge says, I hope that for anyone who's ever done that, meaning spreading information, misinformation online, that this is a wake up call. Well, we're glad that's over. Oh, wasn't that a weird time in our life? I'm so happy everything online is true now. That's great. Not everybody bets every rumor they ever read. I'm so thrilled about that. Fucking shit.
Starting point is 00:50:32 He said, there are people out here. out there who may heed your words and take them in a direction that you didn't intend when you posted it. You, Blazdilts, you, sir, may fuck off. 40 years in jail, but 25 years suspended.
Starting point is 00:50:48 What? 15-year minimum he must serve, and then he's up for parole. 36. 36. That's fucking bullshit. That's wild. Followed by 10 years of probation. Who cares? Whatever.
Starting point is 00:51:03 Now, what the fuck? That's crazy because, yeah, they want to bang Moses Blanchard the hardest. Really? They want to give him the max because he's the guy who was cold-blooded here. Now, Moses's sentencing is today and it hasn't, fuck, it hasn't happened. He hasn't done it yet? I don't know the time difference in Alaska or whatever, but he's not sentenced yet. God damn it.
Starting point is 00:51:25 Shit. Well, anyway, the defense is saying no premeditation, social media, all that kind of shit. But he's definitely... He's going. He's going to get... He's probably going to get the max, I would think, because he admitted to... When he said, I killed him so he couldn't identify me,
Starting point is 00:51:42 he bought himself the max. They're four hours behind New York. It's going to be so... Fuck, god damn it, these... Catch up, you fuckers. Well, then somebody's got to, like, write it on a salmon and put it in the sea for somebody else to get it and put a message to a bottle.
Starting point is 00:51:55 I don't know how the fuck news is disseminated from there. Sampons mouth. Yeah, I don't know. Telegraph has to be back. banged out, the worst code. I'm not sure how it works. Kippering. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:52:05 So that is horrible. And Sanchez was going to get the least amount of time. They think he might get like mostly everything suspended, basically. Wow. Guilty too. He watched a man die. Yep. He's getting nothing.
Starting point is 00:52:20 He's going on November 21st. But like I said, he's going to get the least. Both guys said he barely did anything. He didn't even really want to do it. Wow. We kind of talked them into it, basically. That kid got 15 years. 15.
Starting point is 00:52:32 Blanchard could get nothing. He could get 20. Oh, no, Moses. No, he's the one that really. They really hate him. Like the prosecution was saying Diltz cooperated. He did everything we needed him to. This one's only cooperated because we told him that the other one's cooperated.
Starting point is 00:52:46 Oh, Moses isn't cooperating. No. He just pled guilty. Oh. Because he didn't want to get found first degree. Oh. So he, and he had no choice because Diltz was going to testify against him. But the prosecution is saying this is the guy who killed him.
Starting point is 00:53:00 He did the final blows. He killed him so he would identify him. He's the bad guy. He's the bad guy, they're saying. And so then the other kid, they're like, he's just a kid, whatever, give him minimum. So they think he's going to get 99, maybe? They think he's probably going to get 99. Everybody's been saying that.
Starting point is 00:53:17 So we'll see. We'll give you an update on it next week. Yeah. I guarantee you three minutes after we stop this, it'll happen. It makes me so angry. Swear to guys, I said, oh, it'll definitely be done by that. And this will be, I was like, it'll be perfect. 2.30 in the afternoon. They got nothing?
Starting point is 00:53:32 I was like, this will be the first, like, hot off the press. Like, it just happened now. No, it didn't work out. So, anyway, he will be sentenced for that. Now, we have a little bit of time left, and I did this on purpose. All right. Okay. Did this on purpose because I wanted to talk about a little bonus murder here. The only actual Halloween candy death.
Starting point is 00:53:51 Ever. Ever. This goes along with the social media thing because urban myths and urban legends. There's so many needles in it, James. Needles. When we were kids. Razor blades. Every goddamn snickers you bit into.
Starting point is 00:54:07 What did you think the chance of a razor blade was? 60, 70%? I was shaking. It was touching go. You'd always wince. You'd bite into it like at the end slow and look at it. I remember breaking candy like a peanut butter cup, like breaking it up to make sure there's no razor blades in it. Needles.
Starting point is 00:54:23 Razor blades. But our mothers were crazy about it. Check all. Oh my God. Check the candy. If we had a metal detector. Sheeter ran that thing through it five times. What are the chances that you take a bite of a candy and there's a razor blade in there and you fucking bleed in that?
Starting point is 00:54:38 You miss it. You just swallow it. What are the chances you bleed out? Also, if the package is closed, it's probably not a razor blade. Unless they have a re-sease packaging factory in there, we're probably okay. You ever tried to refold that foil? It doesn't work. It's impossible. It's twisting it with the kiss thing coming out of the top.
Starting point is 00:54:58 I can't get the kiss thing straight. Yeah, you can't afford that. Sticking out the side now, what the hell's going on? So we've all heard about this, and we've all heard about how dangerous it is, and every one of us has searched their kids' candy, and we've all had our candy searched as kids, and we did all of this, and it's all complete bullshit. 100% complete bullshit.
Starting point is 00:55:17 What happened? There is one case in American history of tainted Halloween candy. What was it? That killed somebody. And it is Ronald Clark O'Brien, and he is known as the Candyman, obviously. Now, O'Brien lived in Deer Park, Texas. I think Pasadena, Texas is where this happened, had a son named Timothy, daughter named Elizabeth.
Starting point is 00:55:38 And he had a wife, too. Did he poison his own kid? We'll talk about it. Oh, you fucking asshole. He worked as an optician at Texas State Optical in Houston. He was a deacon at the Second Baptist Church where he sang in the choir and ran a local bus program. So Halloween, 1974, took his kids out trick-or-treating in Pasadena.
Starting point is 00:56:00 with a neighbor and the neighbor's two kids. Now, they said they went to a house where the person at the house didn't answer the door. So the children grew impatient and ran ahead to the next home while he stayed behind. I'm going to fucking wait this guy out. I'm getting this goddamn candy. I'm getting this goddamn candy. I'm leaving. I don't leave until I get that snickers.
Starting point is 00:56:19 He caught up with the group and produced five humongous pixie sticks. These are the 21-inch pixie sticks. Oh, the long plastic. Big fucking giant ones. They were in like, not cardboard, but paper back then. With the long ones in plastic? Now they are. Oh, back then it was.
Starting point is 00:56:36 Seventy-four. It would be paper or whatever. So he said, yeah, the guy at the house eventually came out and he gave us these. I got it for one for everybody, all the kids, you know. So at the end of the night, he gave the neighbors two kids a pixie stick and one each to his kids. And he went home. And he gave the fifth pixie stick to a 10-year-old boy who he knew from church on the way home. Hey, you want one of these?
Starting point is 00:56:59 So before bed, his kid, Timothy said, can I eat some of the candy, please? And they said, yeah, okay, fine. Just need one for bed. He said, I want the pixie stick because it's the biggest candy, obviously. He couldn't get, it was weird. He couldn't get the, he's trying to put in his mouth. He couldn't get the powdered candy out. Wouldn't come out.
Starting point is 00:57:15 It was like stuck in there. It was like kind of clumped up. So dad had to, you know, helpfully help him loosen the powder so he could get it in himself there. He said, ew, this tastes bitter. Yeah. Gross. This isn't a good pixie stick. So he gave his kid Kool-Aid to wash it down, wash it away.
Starting point is 00:57:34 And immediately Timothy began to have stomach pains and started vomiting and convulsing. He claims that while he was holding Timothy in his arms, he went limp. He was vomiting. He went limp in his arms and died en route to the hospital. Damn it. Less than an hour after consuming the candy. Fucking pixie sticks. So everybody freaked out in the community because someone poisoned.
Starting point is 00:57:58 Oh my God. People, they were turning their candy over to the, people were coming with their kids, fucking McDonald's pumpkin buckets, giving them to the cops going, look through my candy. Make sure this isn't poison. It's poison. So there was no, they didn't suspect anybody at the time. Then an autopsy revealed that it was a potassium cyanide. The kid was overloaded with him.
Starting point is 00:58:20 Wow. So four of the five pixie sticks there, the fifth one, he ate. He died. He died. They went to all the other kids with pixie sticks, and luckily none of them had eaten the pixie stick yet. The fucked up part is the fifth child, the kid from church, the 10-year-old.
Starting point is 00:58:38 They couldn't find the pixies. Cops called them and said, What'd you do with that pixie stick? So their kid was upstairs sleeping. They're like, oh, my God, did he eat the pixie stick and go upstairs and die? Yeah. So they ran upstairs and found the kid asleep holding the pixie stick. He couldn't get the staples that sealed it.
Starting point is 00:58:57 Because this asshole stapled it shut. He couldn't get the staples done, so he fell asleep holding it. Fell asleep trying to get it open. Yep. That is crazy. He's so tired. Fucking nuts. So they got all the pixie sticks, and the top two inches of each pixie, of these pixie sticks
Starting point is 00:59:14 were refilled with cyanide powder, then resealed with a staple. Wow. Right at the top. So that's where you'd eat it. Wow. It contained, they said the pixie stick consumed by Timothy contained. enough cyanide to kill two adults. Oh, damn it.
Starting point is 00:59:30 Well, the other four candies had enough to kill three to four adults. Oh, he got the little dose. He got the little dose. Now, so they went to O'Brien and they said, where did you get the pixie stick? Yeah. Where the fuck did those pixie sticks come from? And he said, I can't remember where they came from. Fuck, oh my God, which house did they come from?
Starting point is 00:59:48 Damn it, what's going on? Then they start asking around and they find out that O'Brien and his neighbor only took their kids to homes on two different streets because it was raining a little bit. So they're like, well, you should be able to remember from two streets where you got the giant pixie sticks. It's not just like a, you know, one of those fucking dumbdums or something. Nobody else has given these out. Who's given those out?
Starting point is 01:00:10 So then they went to all of these houses and found out that none of them had given out pixie sticks. Not one. So they're like, okay. Now, O'Brien walked to the neighborhood with the police a whole bunch to find, well, maybe if we walk by it. So he led them to the house where no one answered the door. He claims that he was there waiting to catch up to the group.
Starting point is 01:00:30 And no one, he said that the owner didn't turn the lights on, but cracked the door open and just handed him out five pixie sticks. Five. Exact number. One adult is on your door step. Take these. Get on. You don't even say trick or treat.
Starting point is 01:00:43 Yeah. Get out of here. You open the door and just stick your arm out with five pixie sticks, like a bouquet. Yeah. A pixie sticks. Get out. They said, so what did he look like? I only saw his arm.
Starting point is 01:00:53 Just stuck it out. Real crack in the door. Can you do a lineup of five arms old pixie sticks? He said, well, what did an arm look like? And he said, hairy. It's hairy arm, you know, I don't know. It's a man. So the home was owned by a guy named Courtney Melvin, who was an air traffic controller
Starting point is 01:01:10 and didn't get home from work till 11 o'clock on Halloween. Shaves his arms. And he was just a swimmer. Smooth. So they ruled him out as a suspect when over 200 people confirmed he was at work the whole time. He's at work. Then they found out that O'Brien. and was over $100,000 in debt,
Starting point is 01:01:28 which is about almost $700,000 nowadays and had a history of not having shit for work. In the preceding 10 years, he held 21 different jobs. Oh, my God. When he was arrested, at this time, he was suspected of theft at his job at Texas State Optical, where he was about to be fired. His car was about to be repossessed.
Starting point is 01:01:52 He had defaulted on several bank loans and his family home was in the process of being foreclosed on. He's about to be homeless. Then they found out that he had taken out life insurance policies on his children in the months preceding the death. About 700 grand? In January, he took out $10,000 life insurance policies on both his children. That's about $65,000 in today's money each. Then a month before, in September, he took out an additional $20,000 policies on both children.
Starting point is 01:02:20 Despite the life insurance people go, why are you raising your kids' life? What the hell is that about? In the days before the death, that week, he took out another $20,000 policy on each child. Wow. Stacked them up. The various policies totaled about $100,000, which is what he was in debt. That's what he owes. That is wild.
Starting point is 01:02:40 Now, the wife, the kid's mom said she didn't know shit about this. She didn't even know about the insurance policy. She said, I didn't know we had that. The morning, the next day after Timothy died, he had called the insurance company to talk about collecting on the policies he took out right away. Wow. Then they found out that he had visited a chemical supply store in Houston to buy cyanide shortly before Halloween.
Starting point is 01:03:06 What the fuck? But he didn't purchase anything because he found out the smallest amount of cyanide that you could buy is five pounds. That's a shitload of cyanide. Because you're supposed to use it not to poison your children's candy. You're supposed to like a huge application on it. totally different thing. So they were like, this motherfucker life insurance,
Starting point is 01:03:29 he tried to buy cyanide must have got him somewhere else. This is insane. So that's wild. They believed that he only gave it the pixie six to the other kids because he thought maybe they would die too and it would cover everything up.
Starting point is 01:03:42 It wouldn't be just his, just to focus on him. They'd have to focus on everybody. They continued to question him, but he kept saying he was innocent. I just needed cyanide for other purposes. Yeah, I got a lot of that week.
Starting point is 01:03:55 Yeah, so many rats. My god. A rat problem around here is nuts. Thousands of them. Not enough for five pounds, though. So he, this is wild. He ends up being convicted of murder.
Starting point is 01:04:05 Yeah. And sentenced to death. Whoa. He killed his 10-year-old for insurance money. That's what they should have deported him in his mouth. This is a scumbag. And that's why I searched apples? This is why you can't get fucking candy without people freaking out.
Starting point is 01:04:23 Yeah. Because one asshole. Trying to mark his both his kids. And that was the perfect timing for, you know, well before, 10 years before we were trick-or-treating to where it was just spread to paranoia at that point. Because one news story, one. And it was his own kidney. He did it to his own kid. Zero cases of a random, some house handing out poison candy.
Starting point is 01:04:47 Enjoy. With Snickers, there's no razor blades in them. Now, the fun part is when he's on death. The chaplain who worked for the Department of Justice in Texas there said that O'Brien was, quote, shunned and despised by his fellow death row inmates. Oh, really? Even Ted Bundy had friends on death row. And he cut off teenagers' heads and had sex with them. He raped, decapitated teenagers.
Starting point is 01:05:13 Yeah. And he had friends. But this guy, like, fuck you. He was called, quote, absolutely friendless because he killed his own kid, which makes it just. so much worse. Gross. The inmates reportedly petition to hold an organized demonstration on his execution day to express their hatred of him. Good. Kill that. Literally. The death row inmates were going to have a celebration to show how much they fucking hated him. Our kids out in the free world have to check their snickers because you're a piece of shit. You're a twat for the next 40, 50
Starting point is 01:05:47 fucking years. We're still doing it. March 31st, 1984, shortly before midnight is his execution. His last meal, everybody. You don't think you were getting that today. Here we go. Tea bone steak. Really? Medium to well done.
Starting point is 01:06:03 What a piece of shit. Monster. You ruined steak. You listen. Kill your kids all you want. They're your kids. No, don't kill your kids. But don't fucking destroy a perfectly good tea bone.
Starting point is 01:06:15 Are you out of your mind? That filet was like leather. You can't have that. That's a bad. You monster. They should have made him eat pig. these sticks. They should have only untainted. Just regular that's just to dinner. Until your diabetes takes you.
Starting point is 01:06:32 T-bone steak, medium to well-done, French fries and ketchup, whole kernel corn, sweet peas, lettuce and tomato salad with egg and French dressing, iced tea, sweetener, saltines, Boston cream pie, and rolls. He got all of that? He fucking loaded up, man. Jesus Christ. And then they executed him by lethal injection. Your kid's last meal was your tainted ass pixie stick. A piece of shit. Wow, what a scumbag. So there you go. That's why Halloween
Starting point is 01:07:01 turned into the stressful mess it was because one guy's an asshole. But did that, wanted a shorter story so he could tell that because I don't want to tell the whole story because a lot of people have done it, but a lot of people don't understand. They don't know that that's why that happened. That's so bad. That's how Urban Legends start. So
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