Small Town Murder - The Cowboy The Con Man Olancha California
Episode Date: January 11, 2026This week, in Olancha, California, when a beloved & well respected rancher's skeleton is found, in the desert, everyone knows exactly who did it, but that person has vanished. This murdering con man i...s found in an unlikely place, only to escape from a very secure prison, to live his life, on the run. Episodes of "America's Most Wanted" & "Unsolved Mysteries" are no help. Until some very smart detective work finds him in the last place anyone would think to look!! Along the way, we find out that Radiator Springs is kind of a real place, that there are ranches bigger than the state of Rhode Island, and that no one wants their children to bring a skull home, on Christmas Eve!! New episodes, every Wednesday & Friday nights!! Donate at patreon.com/crimeinsports or at paypal.com and use our email: crimeinsports@gmail.com Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder, Crime In Sports & Your Stupid Opinions! Follow us on... instagram.com/smalltownmurder facebook.com/smalltownpod Also, check out James & Jimmie's other shows, Crime In Sports & Your Stupid Opinions on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts!!
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Let's go on a trip, shall we?
We are going to California, which is, we are.
We are leaving very soon.
We're recording this like right before we go to San Diego for that show.
So this is Oloncha, California.
Oh, L-A-N-C-H-A, California.
It is never heard of it, right?
No.
It's, yeah, it's not one of those that you drive through on the way from Phoenix to L.A. or
San Diego.
No, this is East Central California.
in kind of the no man's land of California out there.
Baker's Field?
It's close in mileage to Bakersfield, but you have to like go around a giant mountain to get there.
So it's like it's real weird.
Like to get to a place that's closer takes twice as long than it is to go the other direction because of the mountains.
So it's about three and a half hours to L.A. from here.
About three hours and 45 minutes to Vegas.
So kind of in between those two places.
about four hours to Sunnyside, California, which was our last California episode.
Millions to murder.
That was crazy with that kid who was idolized the billionaire boys club people.
God, that was a wild one.
This is in Inyo County, area code 760.
This place, by the way, is almost 3,700 feet elevation.
Wow, up in the mountains.
Yeah, this isn't like Death Valley type shit.
This is up there.
Population here, 158.
People.
People.
There's way more cattle there, but not way more cattle than people in this area.
Fascinating.
There's giant ranches like one that we'll talk about in this episode.
Median household income here about 61,964, which is beneath the national average by about 8,000.
And then the median home price here is $235,500, which is well below the national average as well.
This is in the middle of nowhere, as you might imagine.
This is a place you drive through while going to another place unless you own a giant ranch.
It was established by Minard Farley.
That's the guy.
He came in 1860 and discovered silver ore.
So obviously people.
Silver here.
Yeah.
The name Aloncha is believed to be derived from the nearby Yodanchi tribe, Yadanschi tribe.
Now, this place is famous kind of a little bit because on August 11, 1969,
Uh, that's where, that's when Charles Tex Watson and Diane Lake, the two Manson family members, went and hung out there and basically hit out after the Sharon Tate murders.
This is where they went to hide out.
There's nobody here.
Three hours away.
All the way to Aloncha.
Up in the mountains.
Yep.
Tex bought a newspaper in Olantia and it said that they still didn't know who did the murders.
So he found out that they weren't looking for them at that point.
And, uh, that's when he turned to Diane Lake and said, I killed her.
Charlie told me to do it and it was fun.
So that's where all this happened.
And then Diane Lake was actually taken into custody after complaints from a launch of residence that she was swimming nude.
So this place helped take down the Manson family sort of.
So they hung out here for weeks though.
And then they went to Death Valley and that's when they got taken in.
So reviews of this, now there are no reviews for the town.
There's nobody here.
But we do have a review of the county for Inyo County.
Four stars.
Great scenic views.
Inyo County has great fishing, horseback riding, boating, camping, hiking, swimming, mountain biking golf, off-road adventures for the whole family to enjoy.
Wow.
Fresh air does the body good in our little valley.
I love it.
That sounds nice.
But I found there's a restaurant in town.
The Olantia Cafe.
That's it.
That's all there is.
And so we're going to look at a couple reviews of that.
How the fuck do these people get food?
I don't know.
People, no clue.
It's forgot, I mean, middle of nowhere, you've got to have these rest stop, basic places.
Sure.
It's 4.3 stars out of 252 reviews.
A lot of people saying just extremely overpriced because you're in the middle of nowhere.
It's like, well, don't buy it here.
Wait two more hours then.
Okay.
That's it.
Here's five stars.
Now that the 395 doesn't pass by here, it was a bit hard to find.
make sure to try the Olantia burger.
Plenty of adult beverages available in a refrigerated cooler behind the counter.
Cool motif and plenty of outside seating.
Glad I stopped to sample this cafe.
Well, where's the stop?
Fucking place is Radiator Springs.
That's what it sounds like.
And then here's a one star.
Not a nice place.
We arrived for dinner at 5.45 p.m.
According to Google, open.
The owner came out.
He said the cook would be an additional hour and 45.
Five minutes.
What are you going to do?
There's nobody there.
Well, sometimes it happened.
I ask if he could sell us a glass of hot water then because our three-year-old son is very hungry.
And we have ready-made porridge, which is just porridge.
Wow.
What are you looking for a fucking cabin with bears in it?
What are you talking about?
Porage, which just needs to be bored.
Yeah, what is he doing?
It needs to be warm water.
Of course he can't.
They don't have boiling water.
Only in the coffee machine or maybe a microwave stove.
I'm asking, we do not have, he says.
Thank you for such treatment.
A hungry child and no update on Google.
I will definitely not be back.
Be a better parent.
Don't go back there.
Bring to them crustables, you fucking idiot.
Bring a goddamn sandwich with you.
How's that?
They have just a packet of porridge ready to give this kid.
Like he's a 19th century tiny Tim over here.
He's going to limp in with his crutch.
Can I have some porridge, please?
Please, sir.
Please, sir.
More porridge.
Things to do.
Well, first of all, all the shit mentioned in that one review.
Lake Olancho shit.
There's also the Golden Cactus Ghost Town and Old West Museum.
The Golden Cactus.
Which is temporarily closed.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But I found there's these people talking about it under this post about it.
And one guy says, I spent a lot of time there training with my old S-A-R team.
on the cliffs. Beware, there's a
landowner nearby who will point his gun at you
if you get too close to his property line.
We never even saw
any markings to indicate we were leaving
public lands. It's all a goddamn desert.
It's not like they have a fence up. There's no like
white picket fence across his property. Who the hell
knows where your property starts and any other property ends?
Then somebody said,
My dad and I found a body at one
of the picnic areas here.
It was a suicide.
It's a good place to off yourself, everybody.
Enjoy.
It was a suicide.
Then there's the Olantia
sculpture garden.
Okay.
Which is, here is the peak of the artwork here.
It's just,
okay, that's terrible.
Big metal shit sitting in the desert with mountains behind it.
Colorful circles welded to it.
All right.
That's it.
And if they call,
they say it's about a dozen or so large
and often darkly humorous metal sculptures.
They're not darkly humorous.
The garden is the work of Jail Hoffman.
I think we talk.
about this during a Patreon episode.
Really?
Either that or there's another one of these somewhere else.
Because we talked about like small town bad shit to do.
So this is a small town bad shit to do.
This one of a metal T-Rex says,
private property trespassers will be devoured.
And it's got a T-Rex with a guy dangling from.
Yeah, there you go.
That said, let's talk about a murder.
Here we go.
So now we have the setting, I think.
Middle of goddamn nowhere is where you can set it.
Let's talk about a man here.
This is William Clarence Thornburg.
Bill, he goes by.
Bill's born in the 1920s here, and he's a, he is a rugged sart, basically.
He's a rugged guy.
He's a real old-time cowboy.
That's what he is.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, that's it.
I mean, he's grew up on a ranch.
His father ran a ranch.
His father died when he was 16, forcing him to take over the ranch.
Oh.
that's 16 and that's what you had to do this is during the Great Depression and shit you take over that ranch and we're all going to die that's it you're starting care of those horses are you're going to have dead horses I'm dead people but we're fucked otherwise so he did that really a big horseman known to be able to break a wild Mustang no problem I mean that's just he's been doing it since he was a little kid out here it's just how he does things he's also good at business of ranching as well which is a totally different thing
You can be great with cows and horses and ship,
but if you don't know the business part, you're screwed.
But he does that.
He's a big guy, too, 6-1, which is big for back then.
It's a big guy when they're born in the 20s there.
And like the typical cowboy, he's described as lean and weathered from decades of ranch work.
You bet.
I mean, he's a real cowboy, for real.
Those guys are not to be trifled with.
Permanent sun damage, that leather skin, calloused hands.
He's got a slight limp from an old horse.
injury.
Hell yeah.
You couldn't draw a cowboy like this.
If you did a movie and this was your character, they'd go, all right, take it down a notch,
Jesus Christ, you know, come on.
What are we doing here?
This is ridiculous.
So he builds this cabin bar ranch into a giant thing.
His dad had 100,000 acres.
That's the ranch day.
Wow.
He built it over 30 years into 900,000 acres.
What is that?
How do you even quantify that?
That is bigger than the state of Rhode Island.
He owns more land than the state of Rhode Island.
Granted, there's no water nearby or anything like that, but it's still a shitload of land, 900,000 acres.
It's a huge.
I mean, it's a giant, giant place here.
He's known as being like kind of a legend in horse circles in California.
Everybody knows him, and he's that old real cowboy guy.
that everybody knows here that owns the giant ranch.
He's a nationally recognized horse breeder.
He's also was at the forefront of desert water management techniques and shit like that.
He's always been much into that.
Like I saw an old newspaper article where they're looking for the windbreak trees.
What are they?
Like to keep shit from blowing.
And it was like you could just call the town and that you could get free ones.
Oh.
Free trees because they needed it for the town.
And it said he was one of the people you could call.
and get trees from.
So like he's like kind of, you know, the town basically.
And he's out just Olantia?
Oloncha.
That's where his land is.
That's where it is all around there.
His wife's name is Margaret.
They're going to have a couple of kids here.
They're going to have a daughter in 1956 named Callie, C-A-L-L-I-E, like Collie except
with an A.
And then 1960, they have a daughter named Tracy as well.
So he has no sons.
to drag out there.
Unless these gals want to get rugged.
Callie, she's the one.
Yeah.
Since she can walk, he's got her out on the ranch.
Just brazed her just like he was raised.
Out on there, she can break a horse.
She's just as badass as anybody.
Yeah, Callie can do it.
1968, Margaret dies.
Mom.
Mom.
So leaving this old rugged cowboy with two,
with a 10-year-old and a 14-year-old.
Oh, boy.
Wow, that's tough.
but so he's a single father and he just basically takes his daughters out on the ranch and teaches them cattle.
That's it. That's what he does.
Good Lord.
Cali works alongside her dad learns the business from the ground up.
He teaches her everything what to do.
And it's a lot.
It taught her to ride before she could walk.
Home schooled her until high school, which I think that's right when the mom died.
So probably she would go to high school then.
She wanted to attend college but chose the ranch instead.
It's like, what are you going to go to college?
for you're going to come back and work the ranch anyway so just stay at the ranch yeah if you
already have a giant business to go into and you know how to run it right you've got a plan for the
rest of your life this shit needs you not like you need a job so um she's about five six real athletic
you know she's a horse chick um you know that kind of thing she went to a launch of high school did a little
bit of community college and then just came back to the ranch here but she's known to be able to
operate every piece of ranch equipment that there is by 15 years old dang the big
The biggest things that she can deal with cows and bulls.
Yep.
She won a junior rodeo championship in barrel racing.
And but she also, you know, as a teenage girl, was kind of isolated here.
Right.
And wanted to do things outside of here too.
Like every teenager does.
Yeah, she wants to.
Now, Bill has very specific habits that are going to come into play here.
What do you mean?
He wakes up at 5.30 a.m. every day.
That's a lifestyle right there
That's a lifestyle
Has black coffee
Three cups
And the same
He got a tin cup in 195
And that's his coffee cup
Drinks out of it
Drinks out of it every day
Three cups of black coffee
In the morning
All those dents in it
Oh yeah yeah
Those are
I remember that
That's when the horse kicked it
Yeah that's a good day that day
So never misses a day of work
Even if he's hurt
Because he can't
He's got to do that
He also is a big reader
He reads everything
He's a real smart guy, Bill.
I mean, he knows about water management and things like that.
He's not just a guy.
It's like, all I know is horses.
That's not him at all.
He reads.
He definitely tries to better his mind a little bit here, too.
And he also would secretly fund college scholarships for local kids, but he did it anonymously.
Oh.
Which is pretty interesting.
He was an Inyo County Board of Supervisors member from 1970 on.
He's a Lutheran church deacon.
He donates large sums of money to the local hospital anonymously as well.
Helps neighbors during droughts by giving them his water and never wants repayment.
Just a good guy, known for hiring ex-convicts to try to give him a second chance.
Hell yeah.
I mean, the guy's a good guy.
He's the coolest there is.
He's a goddamn cool dude, man.
Yeah.
Like he's like, like I said, like he's.
is what a guy like a John Wayne wanted to play.
It was a guy like that. You know what I mean?
If your old cowboy actor, you'd want to play a guy like that, you know?
I like when Cowboys and ranch guys, they pick their ranch hands based on that because
what else opportunity those people have?
And they're also deliver unbelievable work because they're just grateful to be able to do this.
Yeah, or sometimes they'll steal something and run away.
But you know what I don't know.
It's just like a kitchen.
A kitchen's the same thing.
It's hard work that nobody else wants to fucking do.
These people need an opportunity.
willing to give it and the ones that are trying to make it make something of themselves will
do something with it.
So,
1976 comes along and there's a guy named Stephen Leslie Wilson.
Okay.
He goes by Steve.
Steve Wilson,
it's about 30 years old and he rolls into a launcher.
Now,
he's a good-looking guy and a rugged good looks,
people say.
He is a charming son of bitch, man.
I mean,
he can charm the pants off anybody immediately.
Everybody he ingratiates himself all over.
Oh, he is.
He said he's from San Diego, and that's all he'll say.
So he just shows up in the desert, and he's just like, I'm from San Diego.
And they're like, what else?
And he's like, what else?
He just looks and turns the other direction, stares out into the horizon.
It's that way.
Just don't answer anything.
Yeah.
So, and nobody questioned it.
It's a small town, but they're mainly like kind of mind your own business.
then. What you see
is what you get. If this guy seems like a nice guy
right now, great. He turns out to be
a piece of shit, great, but what do we know?
So, the
thing is, he's so charming that nobody
cares. He's
a blonde-haired guy described
as having a round baby face.
Short, but extremely powerful
and extraordinarily strong. He's a
weightlifter. So he's a
stocky, short, stocky guy.
Also, a guy who can kind of
get a job and work anywhere because
he's a jack of all trades.
He's a licensed pilot.
He's a certified electrician.
He can weld.
He can fix engines.
He frames houses.
I mean,
he's a great guy to have on the ranch.
That's what I mean.
He's also,
it was in the military.
He was in the Air Force for a while.
And he's,
everybody says he has some military police training as well.
Oh.
He's a real organized kind of cat.
He's a real physical fitness fanatic.
And people say he's a martial arts
expert as well. Don't know how true that is. A lot of people say that about themselves.
He does possess a pilot's license also speaks fluent Spanish and is known for having a bit of a temper as well.
Apart from that, the only thing that he tells anybody is that he's from San Diego, he got divorced before he came to Olantia, and that sometimes his small child comes and stays with him for a little bit.
That's all people know about him at this point. He gets involved with.
the local college because they have a weightlifting program so he wants to be involved in that
and yeah everybody says nice guy helps you helps you with stuff around the yard there nice to the
ladies they all like him too and just a short temper charming guy here he gets a job making industrial
talc what sounds horrifying what's industrial talc i i don't something for all that shit seems
industrial.
It seems like not shit. You want to breathe in
constantly, probably. Something that
really sucks moisture out of your skin.
No shit. Yeah, this is, I guess
the Owens Valley was known for talc at the time.
So he
gets a job managing
the Oloncha mill, which produces
industrial talc.
A guy that works with him, Terry McRoberts
who worked under him,
Steve was his boss, said that
his boss was real easy to get along with.
He said he also
like to demonstrate his strength by picking up fellow workers with one hand.
Yeah.
I don't know if that's like in the crotch, like always sunny when he picked D up like that or what.
I don't know how he's.
Like the napier on back.
I'm not sure how he did.
Like a cat.
If he picks you up by the scruff?
I'm not sure.
So he's very likable.
And one guy close to them, him said he can make you think he's the nicest guy in the world.
Yeah.
And Steve starts picking up odd jobs at the ranch at the cabin bar ranch under Bill.
And he meets Cali there, who's 22 at the time, or 20-ish at the time.
And she is, you know, looking for someone to talk to, really?
I mean, that's it.
So immediately they start kind of talking to each other and getting close to each other.
Say his age again?
30.
Yeah.
30 and 20.
That's fine.
That's fine.
he took an immediate interest in Cali though that's he was all all about her um they get together
and their boyfriend and girlfriend and you know steve's a gentleman bill gives his blessing yeah
says if you want to be with this guy that's fine you guys get married and do whatever you want to do
so they're together for about nine months when in 1978 she's 22 um he's about 32
they head to Reno, a five-hour drive to get married.
Wow.
They took a longer way to Reno when you could have gone to Vegas for cheaper.
That's weird.
That's weird.
Now, on the ride to Reno, Callie started to have some second thoughts, she said.
She was hoping that something would happen and they wouldn't get there.
She didn't want to do it.
But she said her father approved of the marriage.
And, you know, everybody was approved.
And so, you know, it's like, well, it's kind of hard to back out now.
So she just got married.
Now, at this time, too, Bill does very well for himself.
This is in 1979, he was making an annual revenue of between two and three million dollars.
A year?
A year in 1979.
How in the fuck?
Massive.
That's like $15 million now.
He must be renting some of that land for agriculture.
There's probably all kinds of things he's doing.
He's got, it's 900,000 acres for fuck's sake.
I mean, he's got things going.
So two months later, after this whirlwind Reno marriage here, you know, Stephen Callie break up.
Uh-oh.
She takes off and heads back to the ranch and doesn't want anything to do with him anymore.
Okay.
Now, she says, behind closed doors, he turned into a different man.
Just a different cat.
She said, this was physical violence began.
on the wedding night.
Oh my.
On the wedding night.
Puts a ring on her finger and then gives her a ring around her eye too.
One of those for you.
Isolated her from friends and family.
Wanted financial control of all her shit.
Meanwhile, she had all of this.
Financial slave too.
Inherent, yeah, all this inheritance stuff coming.
He would threaten violence against her horses.
Because he knew she cared about them.
He would like wake her up in the middle of the night to deprive her of sleep just to
it weird shit and then there's a rumor no one knows if this is true but there's a rumor that he
killed her dog as well okay now eight weeks of marriage she's had enough that's fast yeah that's
real fast because callie's the same person whose dad didn't fucking abuse her so she's not putting up
with that for very long you know what i mean she's a no part of that shit it's not gonna happen
so makes sense so she heads back to her father's ranch and at this point after
Bill. Think about this old cowboy. He wouldn't hear anybody
roughing his daughter up, any of that shit. Oh, you better
watch yourself. Steve is no longer welcome at the ranch. Put it that way. No longer. He is
persona non grata. And that is when he started calling constantly, Steve. Started really
bothering. Here are some of the quoted threats that he made. One is, quote,
I will hurt you worse than you've ever been hurt before. I'll take everything you love away from you.
you will pay.
This is my favorite.
You will learn to love me.
Huh?
Really?
Okay.
You'll see this is my affection.
Then he clarifies it in another one that makes more sense.
You will learn that loving me is easier than being away from me.
That's more like you.
You'll learn that if you just love me, it's easier than me harassing you constantly.
Yeah.
That torture is so much easier than this torture.
Jesus.
So this goes on for about three weeks after the breakup.
He's not allowed.
He's calling her constantly, making nasty threats.
Then one day, about three weeks after the breakup, he shows up at the ranch.
Oh, boy.
And it's on now because he's showing up saying, I love you, I want her back.
Bill comes out and says, the fuck out of here.
Go, you're not welcome on my property.
She doesn't want you, and I'm not going to let you be here.
Get off of Rhode Island, California.
Get off of it.
She said, he said, my daughter doesn't love you anymore.
She doesn't want you.
So Steve grabs a crowbar.
Oh.
And doesn't attack Bill, attacks Bill's truck.
Just starts destroying it in front of him.
You don't fuck with a capitalist truck.
Just smashing in his windows, denting it, just completely going batch.
I mean, like crazy where they were like, what the fuck is wrong with this guy?
So Bill went and grabbed his gun.
Adaboy.
Well, I mean, if he's doing that to the truck, you don't know if you're next.
Yeah, right.
So he said.
So have a little fuck a stranger?
the ass, James. Come on. That's a
crawfish. Now,
he gets the gun. He comes
back. Callie stops him, though.
Really? From shooting Steve.
She says it's not worth it.
It's not worth it. And if you
heard him, because she was thinking, if you
shoot him and you don't kill him, then he's going to come back
for revenge. And it's just going to escalate the
whole thing by shooting him, essentially. Or
you could just kill him. But, I mean, it's your ranch.
You could say anything happened. A lot of
cowboys, too. I mean,
900,000.
To say 900,000 acres, you probably could just put them out there somewhere and no one will ever find him.
That's going to be hard for the sheriff to search that much room.
Here's who, what ladies I wouldn't fuck with.
Ones with fathers with tons of guns and 900,000 acres of land to put me on.
That's a guy to avoid.
900,000 acres of private land.
Yeah.
Imagine's going, he's somewhere in Rhode Island, find him.
I'd be a little big task.
Walking Rhode Island with a ground probe is not going to be easy to do.
Nope.
Nope.
Especially out in that desert.
Dogs aren't going to like it.
So May 29th,
1979,
the divorce is set to be final this day.
This marriage did not last long at all.
Over already.
Oh,
yep.
So at 6 a.m.,
Bill leaves the ranch house like he always does.
He,
you know,
has a couple cups of coffee in the house,
leaves with his extra.
with his last cup of coffee, you know, heading out.
So that's what he does.
Same thing he always does for 40, 50 years.
Callie arrived at the ranch at 615.
Her dad was always punctual and he was supposed to be waiting for her, but he wasn't there.
So she waited 15 minutes and then she couldn't find him.
He didn't show up at the part of the ranch they were supposed to meet.
So she walked out to the water lines where her father usually started his morning rounds,
checking all the water lines, making sure they're good.
She found his truck out there.
Good sign.
There he is.
Driver's door is open.
His morning coffee's on the dashboard with steam still coming out of it.
Yeah.
So, I mean, he's just been here a second ago, so she figures he'll come right back.
She waits at the truck for him.
He never shows back up.
He never comes back.
Ever.
He never shows back up.
Wow.
She waits there for hours.
He never comes.
Yeah.
She searches around, talks to all the employees.
Nobody's talked to him.
Nobody's seen him.
He just disappeared.
like aliens beamed him up from his truck in the middle of the ranch.
It's insane.
At the same time, nobody can find Steve Wilson either.
Yeah.
Not a soul can find him.
So that was May 29th, 1979.
Right.
So it's insane.
So a week later in the newspaper, it says, still missing.
The search continues for him saying that, you know, he's the, uh, him and his son-in-law are both gone.
basically was what the newspaper said.
Yeah.
And the investigators are saying in the newspaper, though, that they suspect he may have been
murdered and they've actually issued a warrant for Steve Wilson because they'd like to talk
to him about that.
Already.
They don't even know he's dead, but whatever.
So they said there's an extensive search being conducted.
Divers from all around are searching the reservoir on speculation that Bill's body may have
been thrown into the aqueduct and floated into the reservoir.
So the Power and Department of Power and Water lowered the flow of water so they could search.
I mean, they're looking for him.
July 12th, 1979, month and a half later here.
They issue an official warrant for Steve here.
It's been issued by the Inyo Justice Court for his arrest and his bail was increased from 50,000 on the original warrant just to hang out with him for a minute to 250,000.
Shit, five times.
That's it.
Now, they have discovered one thing about where Steve might be.
One clue is they found his pickup truck in the San Diego area.
Okay.
So they found his truck.
That's it, though, but they don't find him.
Seven months pass.
What?
From the time Bill disappeared.
We're talking Christmas, 1979 comes along.
Callie's running the ranch now.
She's running the ranch.
She had no idea where dad is.
Dad's gone, Steve's gone.
No sign of anything from either of them.
Did they have a duel and both lose?
Right.
I mean, what happened?
Murder suicide?
What's going on?
So Christmas Eve, 1979, a teenager riding a dirt bike might have been just got it for Christmas or something.
He's tearing ass.
Through the desert, he's in the sand canyon area.
And he sees something sticking out of the sand there.
Oh, shit.
It's about 45 miles south of the ranch house, this is.
what he found was human skeletal remains
bones
bones now he's a teenager
and you know how your parents don't believe you a lot when you're a teenager
they think you're lying no he didn't
he said my parents aren't going to believe me
that I found a body out here there's no way I'm going to get dad to walk out here with me
so he picked up the skull and brought it back with him
how about a finger how about a finger a skull is what you pick
that's what you
ride back holding in your
while you're riding
your dirt bike
is a human skull.
My dad's too dumb to
to recognize
a meta tarpa
Yeah
What the fuck?
He brought a whole ass skull
On Christmas
Eve
He walked into the house
Holding a human skull
Hey dad I found this
What?
There's a whole bunch
More of this back there
Holy shit
That is terrifying
So
The parents
Call the Sheriff's Depart
who go out to the spot.
They believed him once they saw the skull.
And they found clothes that matched what Bill was wearing at the time on the ranch.
They found personal effects identified as bills.
And they found evidence that this was just a pure execution style killing.
They think that he had been forced to dig his own grave is what it looks like.
Forced to dig his own grave and then just shot and fell in the hall basically, like a Vietnamese prisoner.
It's fucking horrifying.
Head?
Probably head, hot.
Head shot.
Head shot.
Yeah.
So this kid brought a
A skull of a hole.
Jesus Christ, kid.
So,
1980, there's a
memorial ski race, a ski race
to honor Bill Thornburg. The first
annual Bill Thornburg Memorial
Invitational ski race will be held
on Mammoth Mountain.
It'll be for students of, it's
to raise money for students of small
schools in Inyo and Mono counties.
That's nice. That's nice.
The school that wins the
that wins will hold the Thornburg Cup for a year.
It's like the Stanley Cup.
They're going to trade it back and forth.
So, 1981, where the fuck is Steve?
Two years have gone.
Two and a half years have gone by.
Nothing.
He could be anywhere, really.
I mean, who the hell knows where he is, but can't stay hidden forever.
And that's how it happens in 1981.
Of all places, a game warden in Codyak, Alaska.
Wow.
Dude, you couldn't make this up.
You couldn't make Bill up.
it would seem, you know, too cliched, and you couldn't make this up either.
He ran away like Dexter, for Christ's sake.
Yeah, he's doing nothing for the stereotype of Alaskans being just criminalism.
Going there to run.
Yeah.
To run from your problems.
Yeah.
So a game warden spotted him there and had seen his picture and thought he looked familiar
and went back and rechecked and went, that's the son bitch we're all looking for.
Look at that.
So after that, the cops track him back down into the states and they arrest him in Las Vegas in the next couple of weeks.
So that's where he goes back to.
Now, Tracy Thornberg, the younger sister of Cali, says that, you know, she said she's terrified because he was gone.
She said all of her relatives and friends, everybody's been arming themselves waiting for Steve to come after them.
They said they're, you know, afraid, basically.
So Steve gets in, they sit him down, and you'd think a guy like this who seems pretty slippery and smart would have an excuse or have an alibi that he made up and worked on.
He just confesses.
Really?
He says, yep, I did it.
He said, I ambushed him.
When he came out of his house, I had a gun and I ambushed his ass and said, you get in your truck and forced him at gunpoint to drive out to the desert.
And he said, yep, I forced him to dig his.
own grave and then shot him in the fucking head two times.
Wow.
Made him dig his own grave, then shot him twice.
That's what happened.
Then I left him there.
Really?
That's it.
That's what he said.
So they're like, okay, well, you're a murderer.
We're going to charge you with murder and all that.
You're not going to Juneau.
No, this is wild.
So he pleads guilty.
Wow.
Pleads guilty to murder.
Once they got him, he's like, nope, you got me.
That's it.
I did it. I'll take my fucking medicine.
What's the fucking twist, James? Oh, it's coming. Don't you worry. Yeah, you're like,
hey, this is too early for this. Get the fuck out of my life with this dumb story.
So, sentencing comes around. You said. They fuck off. 25 to life for Steve Wilson. So
that should be the end of the story, right? Should be. It's not by any stretch of the imagination
the end of this fucking story. Okay. He's sent to Folsom Prison. Yeah. Which, if you've heard any Johnny
Cash songs, you know, it's not a place you really want to be.
Of the place that Johnny's never been except for to sing.
Yep, not a good place here.
But Steve figures some shit out, okay?
And I've heard this a lot if you read books that people wrote there in prison and shit
like that and just knowing people have been to prison.
Basically, a lot of people in prison act like fucking animals.
Sure.
They do.
They act like crazy people.
They act like animals.
they act like, I want people to be scared of me.
They have that kind of thing.
Now, the staff tends to look at those people as crazies.
Those are a bunch of crazies that we have to keep in.
But there's a few prisoners that are, have charm and have outside skills and things like that.
And they tend to get extra, extra shit from the staff of the prison because they are people that don't give them trouble and are actually act like human beings and talk to them.
So those people are very easy to basically manipulate when it comes to that.
Now, the other prisoners don't like it, but, you know, there's a balance to be played there.
So he figured out, be nice to the guards, be nice to the administrator, show him you're an educated guy who's willing to follow the rules and they'll let you do shit and give you privileges.
And that's exactly what it was.
That's exactly what happened.
He joined the in-house work program where he's very smart, knows how to fix shit.
welds does all this shit they need in prisons.
Within two years, he worked his way up to the clerk in charge of shipping,
which is like the most sought-after position in the jail.
Yeah, because then you get to ship yourself out.
Yes.
Well, there's a lot of freedom to this, minimal supervision and that sort of thing.
Oh, no.
A lot of freedom of movement throughout the warehouse.
You're trusted, basically.
You're like a trustee.
So he has access to the loading dock, knows.
all the delivery schedules, has contact with all the outside truck drivers.
He's the point of contact for the outside world.
I hate this so much.
He's so dangerous.
Within two years, he got this.
So, anyway, he becomes the first inmate in 15 years to escape from Folsom Prison that way.
God damn it.
First one.
This is insane, dude.
It's absolutely insane.
I guess he was last seen at 8.30 a.m.
in the prison's industrial shops.
About 9.10 a.m. a System 99,
I think that's the company.
System 99 tractor trailer,
a truck pulled into the industrial area,
picked up a load of prison-made items,
and left the compound at 9.30.
So the guard suspected that Wilson
hid inside the truck trailer
and correctional officers then called
the System 99 Depot in West Sacramento.
They said the rig that stopped at Fulsom
had been parked at the company,
for about an hour before they got the call.
Yep.
So he's had plenty of time.
And they said, we got a call from prison officials.
They asked if the trailer had been opened.
And I said, no.
They said not to open it because they thought one of the prisoners was in there.
They told us to call the Yolo.
There's a Yolo County.
Amazing.
Wow.
I had no idea there was a Yolo County.
Wow.
Okay.
It's call up the Yolo County Sheriff's Department who just comes with like,
they don't give a fuck these people.
You only live once, James.
God damn it.
And they said, luckily, nobody was in there when they got there.
Luckily, it seems like they would want to find this guy.
Right.
Unluckily.
What are you talking about?
Yeah, what are you talking about?
Yeah, what are you talking about?
It's a prisoner, a murderer you're looking for.
A bad man.
Very bad man.
Apparently, he had a pair of tin snips that he smuggled out from one of the shops and he cut a one foot by two foot hole in the trailer's roof and escaped out that way.
So he didn't have to open it.
Yeah.
somewhere along the 25-mile route from Folsom to West Sacramento.
Oh, he got out before it was parked.
Before it was parked.
Yeah, he got out.
Wow.
Probably stopped at a light.
He jumped off.
That was that.
That must have been weird in traffic.
What the fuck is that guy?
Holy shit, did that guy just jump off a tractor trailer and run away?
Did he have numbers on his shirt?
Like, on the chest.
No, he didn't because they said he left behind a drenching wet prison, prison Levi type shirt.
He left his denim shirt with his numbers on it in there.
That was found near the reddish.
rig near the rig and a piece of steel that had been cut out of the roof of the truck.
Now, the truck's driver was out on a delivery when prison officials called, and he offered the
theory that Wilson probably made his getaway when they stopped at a coffee shop in Folsom.
You think?
Yeah.
He was like, we've been stopped for a while.
This doesn't seem like a red light.
He said the prison officials wanted to know if I had made any stops between the prison
and the company.
I had stopped at the bowling alley in Folsom to have a cup of coffee on my brain.
then I went straight to our terminal.
He said he was at the bowling alley for about 20 minutes,
never noticed anything unusual.
He said it was weird.
I'm thankful I stopped and had coffee.
If I had brought the trailer to the dock and they had opened it,
it could have been some bloodshed, I guess.
I guess I should thank our union for giving us a coffee break.
What are you talking about?
All they had with tin snips.
Yeah, he would have ran away, by the way,
is what he would have hid from you and then ran away.
So, yeah, they said two to four times a day,
the tractors use the prison's Northgate
to make deliveries and to pick up
mattresses, metal desks and other
items made by the inmates.
They said the warehouse supervisor
watches the truck being loaded, then places
a seal on the trailer doors. By the way,
he's the warehouse supervisor.
That's a problem. If the seal is broken,
the truck's not allowed to pass through the gate.
The seal on this truck seemed to be
intact and it was allowed to leave.
However, they said as it was being loaded,
the guard's attention was diverted
for less than a minute by a nearby
collision of three forklifts.
I wonder what happened. Yeah.
I've worked in warehouses before.
I have never, ever, ever seen
forklifts run into each other. Have you?
I could see how two.
Two? Around a blood.
Three. Three. Three.
Three of them.
Yeah. Exactly. That's exactly it.
So that's what they suspect as well. They suspect
that he had that happen. They said
the warehouse supervisor started to look for
Wilson, who was the clerk in the industry area.
And when he couldn't be found, that's when
alarm sounded when the truck was already gone.
They said it was sounded three times and inmates began filing back to their cells where
emergency count was taken and there's 3,500 fucking inmates.
They had to count quick and they couldn't find Wilson.
So they said prison breaks from the maximum security area are pretty rare.
Normally the escapes are generally walkaways from the honor farms located outside the prison
walls.
Most of the escapes aren't because of a breach in security.
It's just trusted people do shit that they were not supposed.
supposed to do.
So they said they're trying to find out what went wrong, obviously.
The three inmates driving the forklift are being interviewed.
All the forklift drivers there.
They've determined that the collision was deliberate, although they haven't charged them yet
because they can't really prove that that was deliberate.
How do you prove you ran into somebody there?
How do you prove that three of them got in a little fender bend?
They also said, this escape is a carbon copy of the last prison break from Folsom in
1969 when two convicts also fled in a delivery truck.
The truck was found in Broderick with a two-foot hole cut out of the roof.
Wow.
The escapees were caught within a month and returned to custody, though.
Wilson, still missing at the end of the day he escaped here, but there was reports
that he had been seen on Walnut Avenue and Orange Vale, which is adjacent to the city of
Folsom.
Four days after the escape, prison authorities have called off a search for him.
can't find him
lost him
fuck it
fuck it we'll get a new one
they said screw it
we'll get a new one
that's what they did
like it was like your phone charger
in a hotel room
I can't find it
fuck it I'll get a new one
I'll get a new one
I don't care
whatever I'll pay an extra $8
whatever it's fine
for an off brand
yeah for the off brand one
that will it'll say
weird accessory attached
or some shit on it
when you're plugging it
accessory does not
it's not recognized
or whatever
yeah
the lieutenant
a prison spokesman said, we made what we believe was the maximum effort to saturate the community.
And unfortunately, we were unable to apprehend him.
So murderer out there.
Careful, everybody.
Real casual-ass approach to escaped murder on the loose.
It gets worse if you're a person sitting around in this town, you know, just scared of a murderer.
He said, we don't have any idea where he could be.
I'll tell you where he's not.
He's not at Folsom Prison.
He's a real character of that guy.
Wow. 40 officers had patrolled a 10-mile radius of the prison hoping to find him. Wow. They said that Wilson was very intelligent and had been planning the escape for several months they found since then. So now the State Department of Corrections and the FBI are going to look for him. He's not our responsibility anymore. December 19th, 1984. He escaped earlier in the year. A fulsome prison guard gets a telephone call at his home.
It's Steve Wilson.
Yeah?
Yes.
Steve Wilson calls him.
So, you know, where the fuck are you?
So, well, I can't tell you that, obviously.
Yeah, obviously.
He said, I just want to call and say Merry Christmas.
Matt.
He called the guard.
Then this guard said, he just said that he was in the country to the north of us.
That could mean anything from the foothills to the Canadian border.
I'm in country north of you.
Great.
This is, you know, central.
California. That could be anything. So yeah, the prison official said that Wilson's call was
to wish him a Merry Christmas, and that's the first time anybody's heard of him. They said,
quote, he also gave the guard a list of people he would like to pass on holiday salutations to.
Hey, make sure to tell me, give him a card for me. Yeah, I don't have cards. I got a list.
Yeah. When asked if that was weird, they said, well, we've never gotten it from escaped people. That's weird.
He goes, when people get paroled, he said they frequently get Christmas cards from inmates who they were, you know, nice to or whatever.
But this man is so intelligent and so cunning and fluent in Spanish, I'd be in Mexico looking for him.
Fuck, yeah.
Well, I'd be in Mexico hiding from them if I was him.
Right, that's my point.
He's telling us he's going north.
He's fluent in Spanish.
I'm going to Mexico and looking all over that goddamn place.
Especially if he said, I'm north of you.
He's south of us.
Yeah.
He's not up there at all.
He also told the guard that he'll never.
be taken alive as well.
Oh, boy.
He goes, they'll never take me alive, don't you worry about that?
Yeah, they said that
it's not that unusual, as you might think.
When some of them come in, they establish a rapport
with some of the personnel.
March 1986 now.
Where the fuck is Steve?
Where do you go?
Yeah.
Well, he's living under an assumed name,
Glenn Charles Moyer,
he's going by.
Glenn with two ends.
He obtained fake driver's licenses,
passports, and social security
numbers. He just turned into another cat.
This guy's genius.
And this is before all the interconnected databases of the internet and everything.
This is the 80s.
So you could just, if you could get the documents, you could be anybody back then.
They're on the road.
He moved to Oklahoma.
Then he moved to Austin, Texas.
In Austin, Texas, he met a woman named Lori Ann Fitch, who's about 10 years younger than him here.
She was a widow with a young son.
Her husband had just died of cancer or some shit at a young age in his 20s.
Um, she didn't know who the hell he was.
Yeah.
She's a dental hygienist who's 23, a 23 year old widowed dental hygienist with an infant son.
Jesus.
She also has an insurance settlement of $500,000 from her husband's death.
Yeah.
And, uh, she met Steve at an Austrian, at a country Western bar in Austin in 1984.
Yeah.
In March of 86, they moved, the whole family moved to a, uh, place near Orlando, then to
subdivision about five miles east of St. Cloud, Florida.
He built his own house in Florida,
gave his occupation as a construction worker also to people that asked.
He knew how to do plumbing, roofing, framing, house painting, carpentry.
He did literally built the entire house by himself.
Wow.
You know, with his wife helping too.
Like the two of them together, he did most of the work himself.
He's the perfect neighbor.
Also, all of them.
They love him.
Now, at the same time, the FBI is still looking for him.
They have not forgotten about him.
He is being profiled, actually, by the FBI.
And they say they're looking at several key personality traits.
And during this profile, they said extreme narcissism.
Crazy narcissism.
Christmas calls to the guards and everything else.
He's got a lot of technical skills as well.
successful long-term planning
and ability to obtain
false identity so he's got to be very smart
superficial charm
neighbors will love him
police officials will trust him
he'll be able to attract romantic
partners no empathy
forcing a victim to dig his own grave
and traumatizing everybody is not good
and also
the need for control
about all the threats to Cali
that's obviously when he loses control of somebody
that's when he spins out so
Yeah.
Psychological profile, they say his IQ is estimated at over 130 based on problem solving abilities.
Yeah.
Narcissistic personality disorder with antisocial features, obsessive compulsive tendencies regarding planning, pathological need for control, inability to accept rejection, superficial charm, masking deep rage.
Yes.
So they also, the guy, Dr. James Gilligan, studies prison escapees and identified a particular.
mindset in these successful ones.
What is that?
They don't see prison as a punishment.
They see it as a puzzle you have to solve of how to get out of here.
It's not a, I'm in here for a while.
How do I make my way?
It's okay, now how do I get out of here?
That's all they're thinking about for the second they get there.
Wow.
They said every wall, every guard, every routine, they're clocking it,
trying to figure out how to get around it.
Dangerous man.
They said he spent two years doing this, basically.
After his escape, there's a bunch of prison reforms in the California
your correctional system as well.
Enhanced screening for work program assignments.
You can just start with that, not put a murderer
who's got 25 to life, by the way.
A lot of reason it's not like he's getting paroled next year
and so he doesn't want to fuck up.
Get a guy who's about to get paroled.
That's the guy who's going to do a great job
because he doesn't want to stay.
Not this guy.
Increased supervision in warehouse and loading areas.
Probably should have had that to begin with.
Regular security audits to prevent complacency.
Better tracking of the,
tools and materials. Again, that should have been
from the start.
And construction of new supermax
facilities like Pelican Bay.
He caused shit like that
to happen because the politicians
when they run for office
and say we need more prisons, they
reference a murderer escape from
Folsom prison and still missing.
If we had these supermax
prisons that I've been paid so much
money from lobbyists to try to get past,
then we'll be fine.
So February 18th, 1990s on America's Most Wanted.
Now, he's been on America's Most Wanted a few times.
I think twice on there and twice on Unsolved Mysteries he's been on.
So February 1990, he's getting ready to sell his house in Florida and build another one.
He's just sitting around trying to see what's going to be on TV in the next few days.
People used to get a TV guide and they look a couple days ahead and they'd see what my, hey, that's on in a couple days.
whatever. He saw that the two days from now there's an America's Most Wanted on and he's
going to be on it. They show what the program's going to be.
Escape murderer from California. He knows that's him. You know what I mean? So he said,
shit. So he disappears from St. Cloud. They were like, his wife didn't, she's there with the
baby. I don't know what's going on. All the neighbors are like, why did Glenn disappear? He helped
Help me build my deck.
Why'd he take off?
What's going on here?
So an agent in the FBI, Agent Barkley, said he was in Washington, D.C., watching the show
and remembered the first call that he got was from one of Wilson's neighbors who recognized him.
Oh, shit.
One of his neighbors gave him up, but he knew that was going to happen and fucking took off.
The FBI then went to Florida and found that Wilson took off the night before the show aired, because they went to
to go get him because they said, oh, I know where he lives.
They were like, ah, they had the whole team outside.
They go, when it's just some dental hygienist
holding her baby. Nobody's nowhere to be found.
So he was profiled
four times on America's Most Wanted
and twice on Unsolved Mysteries. Four
times on America's Most Wanted. How wanted
are you? Now, the neighbors,
the neighbors here, his one neighbor,
Kevin Washick, said,
I'm stunned. The whole thing is beyond belief.
He was such a nice man. He would
always do anything he could to help someone.
He didn't piss him off.
Yeah, he didn't want you to turn him in.
Yeah.
One of his other neighbors said he was very likable, always helping people with their houses.
He helped a lot of the neighbors build their homes.
Another guy, neighbor said he was the nicest guy you ever want to meet.
He was never violent toward anyone and he always waived as you passed by the house.
Oh, well, he can't be.
You know what?
Never mind.
Let him go.
He's a waiver, everybody.
Murderers don't wave, you guys.
Guys, there's no way he fugitives don't wave.
That's a rule.
Fascinating.
he kept zero low profile.
No, he just blended in in plain sight.
I have a different name.
I don't know if I look like that guy, who cares?
But I guess, then another neighbor said,
now when residents move into the neighborhood,
people wonder if they're criminals on the run.
That's the big joke around here.
So still missing six, seven years later.
The prison warden, Robert Borg, said, quote,
it's a matter of pride.
We want him back.
We lost him and we can't find him.
and we don't like it.
So he said it sounded,
they talked about getting him on unsolved mysteries and all that.
And William Barkley,
the FBI agent,
said it sounded fine to me.
And he said,
just the other day,
we got another sheet from America's Most Wanted.
Somebody called in and said they saw him.
We get them all the time.
For a while,
we get 50 to 60 tips a week,
but they never planned out.
It was never actually him.
He says a round-faced guy,
looks like a lot of other guys.
So they,
yeah,
they said,
we've put a lot of pressure on his family.
to the point where he is telling us through them to leave his family alone.
We told them as long as your family might know where you are,
we're going to stay on them.
So January 30th to the 1991 is another unsolved mysteries.
By the way, he did a videotaped interview with Inside Edition.
What?
He did a fucking, he did a videotaped interview with Inside Edition.
Think about how cocky that is.
Because that's saying, this is what I look like now.
Yeah, this is me.
Yeah.
And he said that he justified the murder, said he needed to do that.
It was self-defense or whatever.
And he said he's too smart to be caught, so stop trying.
You'll never find me.
He said, I work every day at not being caught.
That's what he does.
Now the FBI thinks he could possibly be overseas.
Really?
Because he's got the documentation.
He's got fake passports.
They don't know how many names he's got.
So now they've kept the heat on his parents in Southern California and his brother in Texas.
and Fitch, the woman he's
Lorry, the woman that he was living with,
his wife or whatever.
Apparently at times Wilson would complain
to the news media and the FBI
about the interviews and surveillance
on his relatives.
They said he kept telling us his family
didn't know where he was.
If we had backed off,
we would have been playing right into his hands.
1992, April of 1992.
What in the fuck is going on?
Still saying what's up with this shitty story or what?
The story is bullshit.
Where's the twist now, motherfucker?
The FBI figured they just have to watch.
They thought it would be through either Wilson's brother or Fitch, the woman, either one.
So they began following Fitch as she went from Orlando to Newark, New Jersey, to go to the airport.
Okay.
Okay.
Why would you do that?
Exactly.
She flew to London, England.
He went to England?
They followed her.
FBI agents got on the flight too
Followed her over there
Scotland Yard
The Surrey constabulary
You don't want them on your ass
I'll tell you that right now
Everybody is behind her
She literally has three different
Law Enforcement agencies
From multiple continents on her
And she does not notice
Doesn't notice at all
I mean you're in a foreign country
You're probably looking at everything
Your head's on a swivel
You're not going to notice people like that
So anyway
She keeps going
she went to a West London hostel at one point
goes in there, they see that.
She reappears five minutes later
with Steve Wilson standing right fucking next door
on the outside of the hostel.
He tried to run.
Really?
He tried to run when they caught him.
He took off. He tried to run and they tackled him
in a little scuffle and then they brought him in.
And that's that.
So he kept up going with his longtime girlfriend,
Lori Fitch. That was the problem.
Need a pussy.
It's a man's break.
That's his downfall.
And he's loyal.
He wanted to...
Very, yeah.
So, yeah, they had followed her all the way from her house to the plane to London.
And Robert Borg said, we take any escape personal.
That's the warden.
Any escape personal.
We're grateful and thankful to get Wilson back in custody.
So then, Barkley, the FBI special agent who's been following him this whole fucking
time. He's been on the
FBI for 27 years
said, quote, I guess I can finally retire
now. It's fantastic. He said he
wasn't going to retire until he found this guy.
I'm not going home until we get him.
He said it's been almost eight years since he got
out. I never doubted that we would catch him.
Another guy, FBI
agent, Joe Judge
is his name that was on him. Joe
Judge, known as the Hunter.
He worked the case
from 90 to 92. He also
had worked the Oklahoma City Bomber
associates and a bunch of drug cartels.
That's his main bag.
He said about Wilson, this guy by far is one of the most difficult fugitives we've ever
apprehended.
He wasn't just running.
He was performing.
Yeah.
Yep.
So they maintained constant surveillance on Lori Fitch for two years.
Can you imagine what that cost us as taxpayers to follow this broad for two fucking years?
Tracked 14 false Wilson sightings across eight states.
and, you know, did all of this shit.
So, and by the way, the profile that they got when he was first out predicted taunting behavior.
They said, he'll taunt you.
He's going to taunt you.
Lori claims complete ignorance of his true identity.
Has no idea what's going on.
Okay.
But maintain contact with him after it was obvious who he was and what was going on.
They documented 47 phone calls between the two of them, the FBI.
And she had flown to love.
in using her maiden name, not her Fitch was her first married name.
So that's the other reason why they didn't like it.
And she's never charged with aiding a fugitive due to lack of evidence that she actually
knew anything about anything.
They thought about her that this was probably some kind of trauma bonding situation with her.
Financial dependence, despite the fact that it's her money, she thinks that he knows better.
And also, her dead husband and her had this baby that Steve's been raising as his own.
So it's like her son's father at this point.
Yeah. He's a great guy.
Yeah. And she said to Inside Edition, quote, the Glenn I knew wouldn't hurt anyone.
Okay. Now there's an extradition battle. This is interesting. Okay. He's extradited, but under the treaty between the two countries, when California tried to prosecute him for the escape attempt, the UK refused to waive the rule of specialty.
Escape is not an extraditable offense under the treaty, so you can't charge him.
If you want an extradite him, you can't charge him with escape.
You can put him back in for the rest of his sentence and whatever else, but you can't.
So he could not be criminally prosecuted for the escape, but he could face prison disciplinary proceedings,
loss of commissary and you've got to go stay over here for a while.
So he's found guilty back in prison, loses his privileges, has his classification score increased,
which means extra security and all that kind of thing.
Yeah, he argued that this violated the.
extradition treaty and took it all the way to court.
Really?
He also wants to get married and they won't let him.
No.
Fuck you.
They won't let him do it.
They said that it prohibits family visits for several categories of inmates, including
people who are to life without a parole date.
So he has no parole date.
And so he can't do that.
He was allowed contact visits after his return.
In 1998, though, he was transferred.
to Pelican Bay.
Why was he transferred to Pelican Bay?
Because he got a
he got a package in the
fucking mail that had
escape paraphernalia in it. He had
people sending him shit to escape with
again. Again. So they
sent him to the Supermax.
Wow. He got denied
conjugal visits as well.
He writes his transfer to Pelican Bay
is an adverse consequence because it's
notorious for its harsh conditions.
So that's
They said.
He said he also asked to remain at Pelican Bay after a while due to his susceptibility to skin cancer and wanting to live in a northern cooler climate.
Oh, okay.
It's northern California.
It's nice up here.
It's not bad.
He was eventually transferred to there.
So he's now, Callie, by the way, she said she's lived in fear for decades now.
Yeah.
She said, I can never really relax.
I don't like being alone.
I'm constantly looking over my shoulder and fear that he will come back for me.
She sold the ranch to developers in 1982 for a fraction of its value, just because she couldn't be around it anymore.
She moved to Sacramento, got married twice, both ended in divorce.
She never had any children.
She said she's too afraid to bring kids into a world with Steve Wilson.
This destroyed her poor life.
Destroyed her fucking life.
She did start a folk families of the escaped support group.
in 85, testified
before the California legislature on victim
notification laws, campaigned
for GPS monitoring of
violent offenders, and published a memoir
called The Desert Took Everything
in 1995,
but it's out of print now. We looked for it. We couldn't find
it. 2006.
2003, all of his appeals were exhausted.
Steve's fucked. But he's not that
fuck because 2010-ish, he's
released from prison. Bye Steve.
Have a nice life.
Fuck.
Lori Fitch moved from Florida immediately after this all came out.
Son Shane changed his name so they wouldn't know who he was.
She disappeared into the ether and never gave another interview after 92.
I think she was embarrassed of her stupidity.
And then Callie lives under an assumed name for safety.
Undisclosed location.
Still in therapy for PTSD now in 2025.
She said, people ask.
why I still fear him. They don't understand. He promised to come back.
That's Alancho, California, everybody.
Holy shit.
Now, what was that you said in the middle of the story?
Where the fuck is the twist?
A little bit. They're coming. No worry.
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