Small Town Murder - The Deadly Grandma The Doppelganger Austin Arkansas

Episode Date: January 11, 2026

This week, in Austin, Arkansas, a lonely widow finds a new love, but when the he goes missing, police start to become suspicious. Especially since neighbors say she's had fires going, over a hole in the yard for months. Detectives then make a shocking discovery, that brings her first husband's death into question. Plus, a bonus story of a man, attacking a gropup of hikers, and having maybe the worst excuse in the history of crime, that needs to be heard to be believed!!   Along the way, we find out that apparently Ludacris can't perform at EVERY festival, that no on breaks into homes to steal quilts, and that some people just have the worst luck... and an evil twin!!   New episodes, every Wednesday & Friday nights!! Donate at patreon.com/crimeinsports or at paypal.com and use our email: [e-mail] Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder, Crime In Sports & Your Stupid Opinions!   Follow us on... instagram.com/smalltownmurder facebook.com/smalltownpod   Also, check out James & Jimmie's other shows, Crime In Sports & Your Stupid Opinions on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts!!

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at the end of the regular show. So that said, I think it's time everybody to sit back. What do you say here? Let's all clear the lungs and let's all shout. Shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, everybody. Let's go.

Let's go on a trip, shall we? Yeah. We're going to Arkansas this week. No. Here we go. Oh, yes. Yes, Jimmy. Yes.

Arkansas, Austin, Arkansas. What? Yes. Why? There's an Austin in like every state, by the way. It's hilarious. Really? There's an Austin, Minnesota.

There's an Austin, Arkansas. Why are we doing this? I don't know. I don't know why we keep doing this, but here we are, yet again. This is in central Arkansas. It's about a half hour outside Little Rock. So it's a suburb of Little Rock. It's about two hours to Memphis, if you go the other direction on the 40,

and about five minutes to our last Arkansas. I didn't realize they were so close. Cabot, Arkansas was the last one. Episode 623 on Deadly Ground, which not only is the name of a Stephen Segal movie, but a crazy story. That was a terrible movie. We did a much better job than he did with that name. Put it that way. That was the one with the real estate agent. That was really creepy, man. This is in Lone Oak County, or Lanoch County. Area Code 501, population 3,486. Oh. Not a big place to be 30 minutes outside of the state capital and that kind of thing. Median household income here is higher than the national average. Is that right? It's 78,8,878. It's 69,000 in the rest of the country because this is like if you want to move, it's a little leafier than Little Rock type of deal.

Median home cost, though, is still very low. Really? Median home cost here, $201,900 bucks. Because it's still Arkansas. It's still Central Arkansas. So that's not bad as far as income to housing there. A little bit of history. The city was settled in 1872 when the railroad built tracks about one mile southeast of Old Austin.

Oh. There was an Old Austin. There was Austin. It was called Austin at the time, not Old Austin. Then many of the residents of Old Austin moved a mile near the railroad tracks. They literally uprooted and dragged buildings places. They put buildings on a cart and just. dragged it there.

Scouched it, yeah. And so the new city near the tracks was known as Austin Station to distinguish it from that Austin that's a mile away. Sure, sure. And then it just became known as Austin. So then they had to change the other Austin to old Austin. You change. Yeah, why should we change?

You're the one that sucks. So now it's Austin and old Austin. Yeah. Reviews of this town, because we don't know what the hell we're in for here. Maybe you people do and we'll find out here. Here we go. Here's four stars. There's only two reviews total of this town.

Small place with the 3,400 people or whatever. Austin, Arkansas is a quiet, family-friendly community with a small town feel. Sure. I would think so. There's 3,400 people here. Better be. And a strong sense of neighborly support. I appreciate the peaceful atmosphere, low crime rate, and the overall safety it offers, especially for raising a family.

The schools are solid and the town continues to grow at a comfortable pace without losing its charm. Had a medium pace. One area for improvement would be more access to local amenities like grocery stores, restaurants, and recreational facilities. You know, like a bigger town. Because that's what you're asking for. I like the small town field, but I'd like all the conveniences of the bigger town, but without the people. Which I'd like these things to be open just for me, essentially, is what that is. Yeah, I need the places that are supported by large amounts of population to be just for me.

Just for me. Overall, Austin's a great place to live if you value peace, space, and community. And here's finally four stars. Austin slash Cabot has a small town feel, but it's very close to the larger metropolitan area of Little Rock, providing multiple opportunities. There you go. There's that. Yeah, it should be opportunities for restaurants and grocery shopping and all that stuff. It's all right there. Things to do in this town. What is it? Okay, we have the Ozark Roots Dulcimer Festival. I don't want Ozark roots. And also the Arkansas State Dulsamer Championships take place at the same time. What is Dulsomer? Well, I'm going to show you.

I was hoping you would ask, Jimmy. Well, first of all, there's the guy holding it. He looks like a prospector. He does. He does. That's a dulcimer? Yeah, it looks like a piece of art. Yeah.

Yeah, it's a guitar. It looks like a small boat that they put strings across. Yeah, like a little canoe mixed with a lute mixed with a guitar. What is this, a canoe for Ames? It looks like a four-stringer, I believe. Yeah, it seems like four strings. That's what it is. All right.

It makes sure it sounds, Tilly. Makes bluegrass sounds. There you. It does shit like that. So they say whether you want to hone your musical abilities or learn to play the mountain or hammered dulcimer for the first time. Do what? What?

Hammered dulcimer. Is that what playing it is called? Is that what they call? That sounds like a hammered shit is what that. It sounds like some animal, their excrements called dulcimer. Oh, yeah, no, that's the excrement of a badger. It's called dulcimer. You got a hammer it.

Sounds like they're trying to rock and roll up the least rock and roll thing ever. It really is. You're going to hammer dulcimer, babe. Well, whether you're the first time in that, the annual dulcimer jamboree workshops are a great opportunity to relax, get hands-on, and make music with fellow musicians. You bet. fellow people who don't know how to play this weird instrument. Make your plans now. Not only that, there are other things going on there.

Not too much. There's performances, but nobody that they'll tell us about. I don't think Ludacris will be here, which is surprised about. Ludacris doing his dulcimer set. This is what he does. This is great. His all dulcimer set is what this is. We just had the best lineup ever.

That was so funny. It's so confusing. The last episode. You can't escape Ludacris. No. I'm telling you, there's at least seven or eight ludicry prowling this country. They got to be.

There's not one man doing all this. It can't be. Otherwise, he's laughing at us all the way to the bank. Yeah, maybe. So, yeah, you have to do that. And then the Arkansas State Dulcimer Championships on Friday evening and all day Saturday. Oh, Jesus, you will be dulcimered out. Prudal.

Workshop registration for new beginner intermediate and advanced mountain dulcimer. and hammered dulcimer players. Oh. You can click there. Get drunk and do it. This is my favorite. Need a place to stay or eat? Well, always.

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Dry Creek. That sounds great. That said, Oh, man. Let's talk about some murder here. Let's do it. Let's get into this. Let's talk about a lady first here.

Okay, let's talk about Barbara Joe Basinger. Barbie Joe. Barbadro, Barbara Joe Basinger. She's born September 2nd, 1933. Good Lord, Barbie. Yes, Barbie's been around. Now, not sure exactly where she's from because I got real mixed up because there was a woman with her exact same married.

name and it's a long story but they're born like the same year around the same time and I thought it was her so I thought I had information from her obituary about birth and all that but then it turns out it was a completely different person wow which was crazy because their husbands later on have initials this Barbara Joe's future husband's initials are JW and that's what he goes by the other Barbara Joe was married to a guy named J.T with the same last name so it was very confused I was like, is somebody just wrong about the T and the W? What's going on here? That can't be possible.

It's a mess, man. Oh, picture me at 2 in the morning, just punching myself in the forehead. Welcome to Arkansas. Who are you? So, Barbara Joe, she is going to marry James W. Still, S-T-I-L-L, still. Keep persisting. He goes by J-W.

That's his name. See what I mean? The other lady had J-T. He's born June 26th, 1936. James had four brothers and a sister. He was born in St. Joseph's in 36. His parents are Rufus and Versi Lee. Versi. V-I-R-C-E.

That's Versi, yeah. Verse, I don't know, Lee. That's it. He was in the United States Air Force and was a major in the Air Force and retired. and had been living, they're going to, so they end up, you know, starting a family.

They have two daughters and a son. I think Pamela, Carmen, are the daughters, and James is the son. Now, after him, I assume, but he's James G instead of James W. Now, again, they raise some kids, this is about all I know about them.

They raise some kids in Arkansas. Sure. In the Yelville area they're living. Yikes. Yelville. Wow. So Wednesday, November 7th, 1979, J.W.'s dead. What?

He just wakes up. I mean, doesn't wake up? No, he's found in his home with a gunshot wound. Oh, shit. Yeah. So 79, so that would make him. Jesus Christ, only 46? 43 at that point.

He was born at 36. Oh, he was born 36. Yeah. He's only 43. This is ruled a suicide. So, yeah, he, I don't know what made him. A young man. Being out of the military.

A lot of people have a hard time with transitions. Sure. Like athletes have a hard time when they retire. And I assume if you're, if you're especially a successful officer in the military, you might get, you might kind of feel bored or not know what your purpose is or something when you're done. Aimless. Ameless. But either way, he is.

He's dead. Or he could be an alcoholic son of a bitch who's got a problem. That's the other thing. We have no idea. We have no clue. So either way, Barbara Joe is upset about this. Now she's a single mom. The kids are getting older.

They're moving out of the house and all that. By 1984, she's a grandma and she's with a new person. So she gets her life together here in about five years and is ready to start over again. And she finds Floyd Gibson Jr. He's born 1930, so he's a couple years older than her. Yeah. He had just retired, actually. Nice.

Just retired. He worked for Jonesboro City Water and Light, and he was a maintenance supervisor. Utility man. Yeah, utility man. He was a plant maintenance supervisor. Oh, shit. Yeah, so he's got a son also from a previous relationship, everything like that. So they get together, her and Floyd Gibson, Jr.

From what I found, Floyd was married in 1949 for the first time. So, yeah, it's been a while. Now, they start hanging out with each other. And then she moves in with him late 1984, early 1985. Okay. They move in together in this area, in the Austin area here. Now, March of 1986, they've been living together. apparently Floyd's sister is looking for Floyd and can't find him.

No? No. So Barbara Joe is the one she gets a hold of, and Barbara Joe said he just walked out. He left me. Oh, he just left? Oh, he's gone. He's forever gone. He had two suitcases and $14,000 in cash, and he walked out the door.

I don't know where he went. He hasn't contacted me. It's 1986. We don't have cell phones. I don't know. And this thing's over. Could be anywhere. Yeah.

Don't know where he is. If you find him, though, you know, let him know I'm looking for him, basically. Okay. So now they have to find him, you know, because he is a missing person at this point. He's not contacting his family, which is strange. So there's a lot. He's got 14 grand and two suitcases. He's on the land.

He's having fun. In Mexico with like eight women feeding him grapes at this point. It's 19, you know, the mid-80s. He could be in Memphis. Not having a great time. He could be in Memphis, risk, trying to get. get away from being stabbed. Yeah.

So the investigation, Officer Gage of the Arkansas police force here, the state police, he's investigating the disappearance. And when he does, one of the things that you're looking for with a missing person is you track their financials. Sure. What's their bank account been doing? Have they been writing checks? He's got 14 grand in cash.

He could disappear. That's the thing. Yeah. Well, they found out also in his bank account, he had about $64,000. at one point. But since then, this is a joint bank account with Barbara Joe. Since he's disappeared, or they think anyway, they don't know, since about mid-January, late January, the account's just been drained by Barbara Joe.

Barbara Joe's been draining it goes from $64,000 to $5,000 in his bank account. That's fast. In 84, that's a lot of money. 59 grand, you've got to be working to spend that. Oh, absolutely. He also learned that she'd been accepting the monthly $1,000 interest payments on a certificate of deposit owned by him as well. So she's taking his dividends as well here. Right, yeah.

And she had traded Floyd's pickup truck for a new one. Oh, so who the hell locks out with two suitcases and $14,000 but doesn't take their car? And just their shoes? Just the shoes on their feet walking down the road with, that makes no sense. Now, everything that happened here, her accepting the payments, the draining of the bank account, the trading into the truck, all happened after late January of 86. So they're like, okay, there's a definite point where she just starts spending the money. So they're trying to figure out was he around still during that time. So April 1986, the police are talking to Barbara Joe, interviewed by the same officer, Gage here.

Yeah. And Barbara Joe tells him the same story that. she told the sister. She said in May or in March I'm sorry, he took off, just walked out with his shit. So then in May she comes back to the police department and says, I have something that may be helpful for you. Very good. This is a quote farewell note. Oh, fair thee well. Dear John letter basically. Dear Barbara Joe letter that she said that Floyd had written and left in her screen door. This is between the last time they talked

in April and now. So this just popped up in my door. Yeah, this wasn't from before and I forgot to give it to you. This is, he must be back. And for some reason, three months later decided to drop me a fucking line. So September of 1986 they get a search warrant

for her house, which they hadn't done yet. The reason is, talking to all the neighbors to see if they had found or knew anything about Floyd or where he'd gone or anything just some insight on Floyd's life. Neighbors said, I don't know, but ever since about late January. Yeah. Barbara Joe has been keeping a fire going in her yard all day and night.

Non-stop. Nine-stop fire. Like perpetual hunter's fire. Jesus. Yeah. Yeah. They said there's a hole in her yard that at this point they said there's a fabricated shed put on top of it. Now there's a shed. But over that spot for basically from late January all the way

through February, she just had fires going constantly for over a month. An eternal flame. Yeah. So they found the operator of the dump truck who'd been summoned by her to fill the hole. And he said that there were old timbers in the hole, which should be removed before filling, but that Barbara Joe was adamant in refusing to let them move the timbers from move the whatever wood chunks that were in this hall, saying that the hole was the location of an old septic tank, so don't disturb it. Oh.

That's what she said. Another thing they noticed is that she's a quilter, old barber Joe. At this point, she's a grandma, she quilts and everything. So one of her neighbors said she really had admired one of her quilts. This was just the stitchwork on it, beautiful, warm. And one day, she asked, Barbara Joe, hey, where's that quilt

that you always had out on the couch? I love that. It's my favorite one. Beautiful. Where is that? And she said that Barbara Joe like acted real shocked and real flustered for a minute and then said, it was stolen. It was stolen. We all know about these that's a damn nice quilt. There's quilt thieves out there. That's all they're looking for. They're not looking for jewels.

They're not looking for cash or electronics. They want quilts. They know what a grandma quilt is worth on the open market. You know, I don't believe this. What? Quilt. Yeah. Tell you what, you take that to downtown Little Rock. There's a bandit on the loose.

Oh, downtown Little Rock at about 2 o'clock in the morning, you get yourself something real nice for that quilt. Let me tell you. So that's an odd thing. So Barbara Joe's got a stolen quilt and has been doing fires for nonstop. A fire pit for nine months. So that's strange. So that's why they get a search warrant based on all this shit. Just sounds suspicious.

And it's enough because they have no other trace of him. it's enough to get a search warrant. So they're going to start with where that shed is. That's the number one. Well, they search the house, obviously, for forensics. But after that, they said, let's go ahead and do that. So they pull the shed off of it. And they dig at about 34 inches below the ground, just below three feet.

Yeah. They find something. They do. It's a quilt. Oh, is it the quilt? It's the quilt. It's the stolen quilt. Guess what, Barbie Joe?

We found it. We found the quilt. The problem is inside the quilt is Floyd. Oh, no. Is dead Floyd wrapped up in her prize quilt. Floyd stole her quilt and jumped into the ground. And then built a fire on top of herself. It's 14 grand in there?

That's impressive. So, yeah, they're like, ah, Barb. Yeah. Under arrest. Found your quilt, found your man. So October 1986, Barb has a new story of what happened. Yeah, because you got to now. Up to this point, all she had was he left.

And now we know that's a lie. So what's going on? So she came to this officer gauge and said, I want to change my story. Yes. Okay. You're right. It was mid-January when he took off. As a matter of fact, he left me on January 14th.

But he came back on January 15. Changed his mind. Next day. Yeah. You know that quilt is irresistible. You get a lady who can make a quilt. You got to come back for that. He left on the road.

He ran out of peanut butter. and just wanted that quills. Just needed it. So she said that day, he threatened her with a gun, saying that if she wouldn't marry him, he would kill her and then himself. You're going to marry me.

Yesterday, I didn't want to be with you at all. Today, I will kill myself if you don't marry me. He's a real flighty here. Real labile here, this Floyd. Really vacillates a lot. So she then said she ran away from him out of the house, not down the street, not to a neighbor. Just into the woods.

She ran away screaming and just ran through the, ah, through into the trees. Which, who does that? She said a seven-year-old would do that because they don't know what else to do. So she said as she was running through the woods there, try not to, you know, get clotheslined by a branch, she heard a gunshot. Oh.

Back at the house. Uh-huh. So she stayed in the woods for a little while, didn't hear anything else. So then she returned to the house. and she said, there was Floyd, dead on the floor with the gun laying right next to him. Oh. There he was. Guess what?

More suicide. She is just touched by all the time. I'll give you one partner committing suicide. Any more than that, it's your fault. I'm sorry. Any more than one, one person, people are, they have problems. If more than one of your spouses kills themselves, you drive people to kill themselves. You're a nightmare.

That's what that means. your fault. I'm blaming you for that shit. Either that or you killed both of those people. That's that too. Yeah. One of the two. Or I guess probably psychologically people who are into people with depression, probably seek out people who are in that sense. But, you know, still, just anecdotally.

Three, though. I'm giving you shame on all of us. Three, forget about it. Forget about it. I don't even care. If people watch this person leap off the 80th story of a building, I'm still taking you to jail. You did this.

It's over on three. So, yeah, he's on the floor. She said she didn't know what to do. So she wrapped the body up in this quilt. In the good one, yeah. And the good quilt and put it in her garbage. She put it in the garbage. She is strong.

I don't know how she got a fucking grown man in the garbage of dead weight. She said later she thought about it, though, went in the house. And she's like, well, I mean, the garbage men are going to come. They're going to wonder why it's so heavy and there's blood everywhere and why I'm throwing. out my good quilt. So then she said she went back outside in the middle of the night and dragged the body out of the garbage into the yard and buried it. She said she didn't think she'd be accused of any crime.

She said the only reason I did this is because I wanted to bury him in the yard so he was close to me because my first husband, who died from suicide from a gun as well, had been taken from her and buried in a place that she couldn't visit. which I don't know where that was. I don't know if they took him to Thailand or something. Yeah, it's like, where the hell you did. He's in Sri Lanka. I don't know where he was.

He was in the sea. I don't get it. Yeah, I don't know if maybe, because he was in the military, might have been a military, a military cemetery where he probably was. Or a family plot in another state. Who knows? Wherever it was, not where she could go. I mean, she could, but I don't think she had the means to.

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Now back to the show. So the medical examiner, they say that the wound that killed Floyd Gibson was not the sort associated with suicide. Oh. So this is not suicide because the bullet entered between the eye and the ear and went from the rear rather than from one side of the head to the other. If you shoot yourself, you put it in your temple, it comes up to the other side. Right. If you do it, nobody puts a gun to the back of their head behind your ear. an angle, yeah.

Or I'm sorry, it was between the eye and ear, but came from the back. So it's not a suicide shot. I mean, I guess it could have somebody tried to pull it away at the last second. Oh, I got a friend, James, that tried to commit suicide. Oh, yeah, we talked about this. Oh, boy. That's horrifying. Just cleaned out his eyes, the poor bastard.

Oh, that's horrifying. Unbelievable. And that's possible, too, here. Who knows? Maybe he got startled. Maybe. Also, the gun that she gave to them, they said, well, where's the gun he killed himself with? She said this gun is the one he had next to him.

The ballistics tests show that that's not the gun that killed him. What is she doing? So this is not good. And there's no other guns found. What in the fuck, lady? This is real bad. Then they figure also the medical examiner looking him over says he's been dead since late January. So she wasn't, that's when it happened.

As soon as he was dead, she started draining the bank accounts, started doing whatever. So then, out of nowhere, an anonymous caller calls up to mention the death of J.W. Still, her first husband. Yeah. An anonymous caller says, you need to look back into that. Right. So one of the detectives here said, we're just looking into it right now to see if everything was up to snuff back then, meaning the investigation of that death. He said the investigation of J.W. Still's death is more or less a background.

investigation of her. Okay. They said any information that might change the ruling, you know, we'd be interested in, meaning from suicide to homicide. So this goes on. They actually reopened the case of her ex-husband or her dead husband. And, yeah, reinvestigated. And they say that, quote, we've reinvestigated the 1979 case, which was first investigated

by then-shariff Billy Joe Purdom. of course his name's Billy Joe and have found his files and the statement of witnesses to be complete. The Marion County case is no longer being investigated and the death continues to be considered as suicide. They have no

new evidence essentially. No. They don't. So rather than go, they don't have anything to do so they just go, everything's fine. Which, of course, we're real, everyone's real suspicious, obviously. So they take her to trial and they said her assets

The assets that Floyd had were frozen after his body was found. And just before his disappearance, this is a key factor that they think for motive. Like two weeks before he disappeared, he had given Barbara Joe power of attorney, allowing her to access his certificates of deposit and accounts in more than one financial institution. Right before. She got access to everything that she didn't need his signature to get money and do things. And then like two weeks later he's dead. Hmm.

The state police said that she withdrew not only from bank account, but from investments about $80,000 between the time she was arrested in May and when he disappeared in late January. To spend $80,000 in the middle of fucking nowhere in Arkansas in 1986, you got to work. My word. You don't even have like Amazon or anything like online to just, you know, go do real quick. There's none of that shit, no impulse.

You got to go to a place and buy shit. Like that's crazy. Barbara is going to testify. Really? She has no choice. It's competing narratives. She's got to say, I'm just a grandmother who quilts and I came in and my poor, you know, I'm full of tragedy. That's all it is.

She testified that he threatened to kill her and that she ran away. Same story. She believes he killed himself. Medical examiner says not how. it works. Also, she gave us a gun that's not the same gun. So where's that gun? So the verdict comes in. They deliberate for less than two hours. And they find her guilty of first-degree murder. Whoa. So first-fucking degree. No. In two hours? Two hours. First-degree murder. It's the money. If the money wasn't there, she could, if she didn't touch his money,

she could have got away with this. She really could have. Yeah. But they looked at the money and they went, I don't think so. He gives you power of attorney. You start draining his accounts. He shoots himself. I don't know. So the judge says, you, grandma, may fuck off.

Life in prison. Holy. Life for Barbara Joe. She's going away. She's in her late 50s? Late 50s. He's going to have plenty of time for quilting in there. Wow.

That's life. And I don't know if it's without, but it seems like it's without, because we'll talk about it here. She appealed in 87 on the sufficiency of evidence. Yeah. She's saying that the sufficiency of evidence against her was not enough to sustain her conviction because no one saw the killing, no murder weapon was found, and there was no evidence of any motive on her part.

Now, the appeals court said there was plenty of evidence of motive. You stole tens of thousands of dollars, so that's a thing. And the other things, there's plenty of murders where there's no witnesses, and just because you did a good job of hiding the murder weapon doesn't mean that they can't convict you. That's not how it works. Actually, the fact that you gave them another gun makes you look 10 times worse. For sure.

If you gave them the actual gun, at least she's being honest. Yeah. So they said a defendant's false and improbable explanation of incriminating circumstances is admissible proof of guilt. Sure. So if you do, some dumb shit, that counts against you if you have a dumb story. And it does. So they said the jury had before it substantial evidence that Ms. Still killed Mr. Gibson. So affirmed.

So there we go. Then in 1990, she says, ineffective assistance of counsel. Just bad assistance of counsel. That part was bad. Yep. He said that her first statement, her counsel failed to move to suppress her first statement to police, which she claims was the product of a custodial interrogation where she wasn't Mirandized. Then she says her counsel unreasonably advised her to make her second and third statements to police.

Statements that were contradictory and were used to impeach her at trial. Well, your story is shitty, first of all. Right. Your story sucks. It's terrible. Your lawyer should have told you to shut the fuck up. That's true. There it is.

Yeah. But still, she also claims her counsel failed to make a motion to suppress admission into evidence checks totaling 50, $37,300 written by still from her joint account payable to the attorney for the cost of her defense. All right. Okay. You're not going to suppress that because that's still her using his money. If she's using his money, that is admissible. We've got to talk about that.

Yeah, she's using it for something good. Nowadays, she wouldn't have been able to take that money and use it for the attorney. They wouldn't let her. So they're saying basically that not the prosecutor. used her statements to impeach her, but had the statement been suppressed, the prosecution could have used her second statement, which she maintained her story that Gibson had left town, which we knew was bullshit, too, because he's in the yard. Right.

And two witnesses also testified that Barbara had given them the same explanation of the whereabouts. So either way, her statements would have been in with other people saying that's what happened. So they said, blind acceptance of the defendant's story may be improper. counsel has a right to assume his client is telling the truth. Other counsel might have pursued a different strategy, but in assessing a counsel's performance, the courts must resist the temptation to second-guess a lawyer's strategy. Strategy is not competence.

Having a dumb idea of how to execute this doesn't make you a bad lawyer. It's still an idea. It's still an idea, and it's an attempt at a vigorous defense, which is all you can ask for. That's what it is. It's not outside the bounds of the law. Just need to be defended. That's it.

So it's affirmed again. Barbara Joe here, this is crazy. Barbara Joe, at this moment in time, is still in prison. Yeah. She's still in prison. Today? Yeah, number 703-100. She's been there 40 years?

Yeah. She's been there. Holy. 40 years. She is life. I mean, she's, what is she 90 now? That's a 90-something-year-old? old woman. She's almost 90. She's going to be 90

this year. Wow. So that's what I found. And then I found an obituary of a different one that was a complete mess. Got it. That was tough. It says that she earned her GED in 1987. Nice job. In 2020 planning on getting out. Yeah.

And the reason I knew it wasn't her that was dead is because in 2021 apparently from what I found I think this is the same person. Barbara J. Still, how many old ladies named Barbara J. Still could be in the Arkansas State Prison. How many?

Evidently all of them? All of them. She was a disciplinary violation for trafficking and trading in 2021, which was after the other Barber Joe still died, the one with the J.T. husband. So I'm like, okay, can't be her. This is trafficking? Apparently, I don't know what. It could be food or a cell phone or what.

She's in the minimum level, risk level unit now. You know, because she's 90. She's trafficking. Yeah. I don't think she's going to attack anybody. Now, that's where she remains, I believe. So that said, I want to talk about a different murder. And normally expressed we do one murder or whatever, but these two murders, they're both crazy because I think she killed the first guy, too.

I bet she did. I tend to think she did, basically. Based on this, you know, I don't know. It's the same scenario. Yeah. She could have also got the idea that that guy killed himself and everybody believed her, so why don't this guy? Why not this one? Yeah.

But she probably didn't bury the first. one in the yard. That's my other point. She left him just laying out if she did that. Yeah, if you call the cops and you say, I shot somebody, but if you bury them in the yard, it's always going to look bad. Yeah. Anything you bury in the yard look suspicious, just anything. Yeah, yeah, you could bury a ravioli can. Why? Why are you burying that's Chef Byardee? Why? Why are you burying it? So murder number two here. Okay. This is just the, basically this episode is worst excuses is what this is because Barbara Joe's

here's a gun that doesn't match I buried him in a quilt because I wanted to be able to visit him is crazy but it pales in comparison to this fucking idiot okay all right August 5th 1994 David LaSalle

he's 45 years old he is a native of Genorette Arkansas yeah okay and he lives in New Iberia Arkansas. Where the fuck is that? Arkansas. New Iberia. No idea where. Well, it's the new one. There's also an old one. There's Spain and Portugal. There's Spain and Portugal and then there's this place. You know, that's, that's Liberia and new Iberia. That's how that works. He was the director of parks and recreation in the early 1970s for Morgan City, and he was a sales manager for an aviation company. And then after that, he's been in the offshore boat industry. for years and recently founded a company of LaSalle Marine Inc. became a founding partner of that.

Yeah. In landlocked Arkansas. In landlocked Arkansas. The Mississippi, I suppose. Yeah, yeah. So this day, he and his cousin, so David, his cousin, Henry, Henry Porter, who's 49 years old, and Henry's daughter, Molly, who's 18 years old. They're all going through a hike.

They're going for a hike. a forest trail near the long pool recreation area in Pope County. Nice. Okay. Now, they see a guy riding a six-wheeled ATV. Sick. One of those bigger fuckers, yeah. So they had a couple encounters with ATV guy in the woods.

And if you walk around the woods of Arkansas, someone on an ATV is going to fly by at some point. Yeah. And one with probably 12 wheels just went by. Twelve wheels. And, yeah, if there's nobody with a banjo on the back, you're doing well. And that thing didn't come with six rooms. He welded something to it. Probably.

So this became very odd. Now, at first, the ATV man passed by the group at a high rate of speed, flew by on the trail, didn't even look at them. Didn't nod, didn't blink, didn't, you know, say hi, nothing. Then they see him again. A little while later, he comes up and he stops. And he talks to them. they have a like a cordial conversation. Hey, where are you guys been?

Oh, yeah, I went up here. It's really pretty. They got this over there. That's cool. You know, where the fishing is and all that kind of shit. And then he gave them directions to the long pool recreation area. So he's like the woods guide here. He's given directions.

Seems like, well, lucky that guy passed us on that ATV. Yeah. So then he took off. Then a few minutes later, he flies by the group again. according to one of them, quote, as fast as you could go on that trail. And they said he looked agitated, just, me, fly in a pissed off look on his fake.

He was going somewhere that something was about to happen. So no helmet. Then he comes back a fourth time. God damn. What do you think? People in the woods in Arkansas in the 90s are wearing helmets? You don't think they're concerned with safety, James? Come on.

I didn't know one kid, because we were teenagers, I didn't know one kid who wrote a, who had a helmet on riding dirt bikes or anything else. Really? Fuck, no. If you put a helmet on in the 90s, what do you think would be rained down upon you? What word do you think would come out over and over and over again? You don't think it's, no. Maybe that's my group of friends were fucking idiots, but that's, I won't put it past that.

but I never saw. No one even owned a helmet. None of these people. I mean, I didn't ride anything in the city limits. So, I mean, nobody would. There wasn't anybody there to rain upon gay slurs. But I could, had I seen a friend. This is in the woods.

The kids will yell it from the trees. You don't even know they're there. Second, you clip the helmet under the chin, people start yelling it from the tree top back then. They just start yell at passing cars, anybody. They just know. Echoing off the. It's crazy. Mossy Oaks.

It was wild to be a kid back then. It really was. He's flying around with no helmet. Now, the fourth time he pulls up was about two minutes after the last time when he flew by looking agitated. Okay. So the group is continuing their hike on the trail. And out of nowhere, they're just walking. They see him, and then he's not near them anymore, the ATV guy.

Then out of nowhere, Porter here, Dad Porter, Henry, he hears multiple gunshots. Oh, my. And he sees David LaSalle slump to the ground. Fall down. Fall down. His cousin David. He's hit.

Fall down. And he said that Porter, Henry said he felt like what was like a bee sting on his shoulder. He got stung by a bee. And it wasn't. It was a gunshot. So he grabbed Molly as 18-year-old daughter by the arm and pulled her down to the ground. Nice move. Two of them got shot.

Because he's a good dad. Because he's a good dad. Pulls her down to the ground. So Henry looks in the direction that he thinks the shots are coming from and sees the guy on the ATV. That's the ATV. He's a son of a bitch. Yeah. He's in a slight crouch.

He's off the ATV. He's in a slight crouch with both hands on a semi-automatic pistol. Oh, boy. So then Henry Porter feels something hit him in the face And he's knocked back into the dirt Uh-huh He said then blood began gushing out of his face And he realized he'd been shot again

So he's like oh fuck I've been shot twice Headshot Headshot now he looks back ATV man is attempting to reload his pistol Uh-huh So now you've got two choices now You can either run the fuck away Or you can go at him

One or the two Yeah But either way, he's going to chase you probably. And either way, no matter what you do, you're shot. Right. And the motion and the movement is going to cause pumping and blood's coming out. It's absolutely. I would think the adrenaline at this point is causing it to come out.

It's going to keep you to go. And there's that, yeah. I mean, it's pumping. Your heart is pumping at this point. You bet. Just survival mode also protect your daughter. I just got shot. All the different things are going crazy.

So to keep your head straight is impressive. Yeah. So this guy, Henry says, these are the times that define everything. And he says, fuck it and runs at ATV man. Are we going into the night? That's it. So he runs at ATV man.

Yeah. He runs at him, tries to tackle him. Because the guy on the ATV runs away from him trying to reload the pistol. Because he's running. He doesn't want to get tackled while he's trying to reload. So he runs and starts running behind trees trying to reload the gun. They're playing like, yeah. Yeah.

doing like little kids around a tree and he's like, I'm trying to stick bullets in the fucking gun as this happens. Coward. Coward. Absolutely. Yeah, you couldn't be more. This man shot twice and you're scared of him. So he's running away and hides behind a tree.

So Henry Porter goes over to the ATV and pulls the keys out of it. Nice move. And he says, quote, now try to get out of here. Now you can't leave. Now you can't leave. Exactly. That's the hillbilly. Now he's can't leave.

Exactly. leave. I have under here, now you just can't leave Arkansas style. That's what I have written down. Because that's exactly what this is. Yeah. Now try and get out of here. Now you want this guy to leave. That's the problem. Now you're stuck with him. Well, it sounds as though he does not want him to leave. He wants to tear him apart. But when he gets a pistol reloaded, which he does, that's, uh-oh. Now you're stuck with a guy with no way to leave. Now you use can't leave. except to go through you. Yeah. So he reloads the pistol. ATV man steps out from behind the tree and points the gun at Porter again.

So Henry Porter goes, oh, fuck. And he runs for a distance and then stops to see what the guy was doing. He runs and there's no shot. So he's like, he looks back like what's going on. And he looks down and sees Molly. His daughter is still lying down beside his dead cousin. David's dead on the ground. Yeah.

Is that for a shot? Got it. So then ATV man starts firing the shots again. When Henry stopped, he starts firing shots, hits him in the forearm now. God damn it. Shoulder forearm head. So he got hit and he just keeps running. He runs and ends up at a farm.

He just runs through the woods until he hits a farm and then he's asking for help. I mean, you don't need to ask for it if you show up with three gunshot wounds. Now, Molly, this poor young lady, had been trying to assist her uncle. She'd been trying to help him, but he's dead. He's beyond help. So she just ran from the scene, scurried away, and hid under a rock on a small cliff. This poor girl just... He didn't shoot it.

No, he never shot him. Because she wasn't the threat. She was fire, and he was firing at Henry. Once Henry got out of distance, I think he just took off. Wow. He has no keys to the ATV, but later on, we'll find out. out, this ATV belongs to a friend of his, and you can use a knife or a screwdriver to start it, too. Yeah.

So you can use a knife blade to start it. The ignition on any of those ATVs. That's a turdive. Yeah. It's just. Yeah. So, anyway, uh, Henry Porter comes back to the area with the cops now, back to the scene of the shooting.

Yeah. And they fight, he's looking for Molly. He's looking for his daughter. He doesn't know if this guy kidnapped her and dragged her into the woods like a Sasquatch or a rabbit. Or shot her and left her there either way. Yeah. Is she a body? Is she a Woods bride now?

We don't know. Right. So they end up calling her and she finally crawls out from under a rock. Yeah. And so he finds his daughter safe and sound. She's the only one who's not shot at all. And, yeah, he was shot. Not physically injured, but certainly.

Oh, she's all fucked up. Yeah. So he was shot in the shoulder forearm and face and reporter. Jesus. And LaSalle was shot too. And Molly said, yeah, this guy started shooting at us. And my dad went after him. And then he took off.

And so, LaSalle died, David LaSalle died of a single gunshot wound to the head. And Molly states later, by the way, when she was hiding behind the rock, she heard somebody start the ATV and drive off. Wow. So she heard it.

She was scared that he was looking for her, but he just took off because he probably knew, oh, shit, someone's coming back with cops. Yeah. Now, this goes on in the woods. We don't know who ATV man is.

Right. Then about it. hour after all this happens is possibly the dumbest thing that any criminal's ever done in the history of the world. Introducing Jimmy Don Wooten. Yeah. Jimmy J-I-M-M-Y, Don Wooten. And he goes by Jimmy Don.

Now, Jimmy Don. You go to Arkansas, you get two names. You get, it's it. Sheriff Bobby Joe. Sheriff is Jimmy Don. Now, he's born June 10, 1963, this idiot. So he's in his 30s. This isn't like a 20-year-old or anything like that.

that fairly young. He shows up to the cops. This is amazing. And he says, I'd like to report something. Yeah. And they go, what's that? And he go, there's this guy, right? He said, I was fishing out near Longpool. Yep. And there's this fella came up upon me, shot at me with a 22 caliber pistol, and stole my six-wheeled ATV. Oh. And they said, really? Yeah. That's interesting. He shot at you and stole your ATV because they know they're looking. And they go, well, what do the man look like? This is important information.

It's important evidence. Would the man look like? And his answer, exactly like me. That's a man who knows he's been spotted. Oh, my God. He said, it was crazy. Identical. He said it was like looking in a mirror.

And he just came shot at me and stole my ATV. It's literally his story is my doppelgag. My evil twin is running around the woods, stealing from me and killing people. Yeah. I don't even know what the fuck. He said, yeah. How did he think that on his way there? Do you think they went, what do you look like?

And he goes, shit. That's a great question. What the fuck are you doing? I'll bet they stumped him right then. And when he was like, well, I've been spotted, so I got to say something. Well, he looked exactly like. I mean, he said it was. Separated at birth, y'all.

He said it was eerie. He said it was, I got my doppelganger just to run it around. So you got to stop him because he's giving me a bad name out there. People don't think it's me. He said that the, the gun that he shot at him with was the 22 that he had in the ATV. Because he shot at me with my own gun. My own gun. And stole the card.

Eddie, look, I'm pretty sure he's home fucking my wife right now. I'm just saying, you should probably go check on it. There's no way he knows the word doppelganger, right? No, there isn't. I'm sure he's in my evil twin. He just, I'm my clip clopper or something. Now it gets better. Yeah.

Somehow it gets better. They look outside and they go, well, you got an ATV outside. that you rode up on and there's a 22 caliber pistol on there. Yeah. And he goes, oh, well, yeah, I found it again later. I got it back. I got it back. I mean, he didn't keep and stuff.

Yeah. He said, I found it abandoned on the side of the road near his truck. So he goes, the guy dropped it off right by my truck for me. Ain't that convenient. So you're telling me, a man stole your ATV. Looks just like you. Identical. Identical.

Stole your truck. Or stole your bike, stole your gun, shot at you with your own gun. And returned. Then killed other people. And then returned it back to your truck. He said, that's probably that guy's truck. And it looks just like you? Identical.

It's eerie. Creepy. And they said, well, when you found the ATV, what was, you know, he said, well, the keys were there. They had blood on it. There was blood on the keys. And the pistol was on the floor, but without its magazine in it. Oh. Yeah, and I don't know, man.

So that's the murder weapon, the gun he has on him. This is his story. This is his story. He said, I'm going to get ahead of this. Yeah. This is like people who like, you know, go out, do a bunch of shit and then report their car stolen like two hours afterwards. Like that doesn't quite all the same way. That's a guy, but at least they don't say a guy who looked just like me stolen.

That's crazy. I didn't singed him and he looked just like me. What a fucking idiot. So it was determined that his gun fired the 22 caliber cartridge found at the location of the shooting as well. In addition, swimming trunks found at his home matched the exact description that Henry and Molly gave to the cops. He shot people in swim trunks. Swim trunks. What the fuck.

He's at a recreational area with swim trunks and an ATV and he says, I'm going to kill people. He doesn't even know these people. Why would you? What the fuck? By the way, Jimmy Don Woo. They pick him out of a lineup. And he goes, well, yeah, the guy looked just like me. See, I told you all he looked just liked me.

Telling the truth. That's the craziest fucking thing I've ever heard of my life. Oh, man. So they pick him out of a lineup and everything. Like, this isn't just, you know. He's, he's fucked for all intents and purposes. It doesn't look good. I'll say that much right fucking now.

Yeah. So, wow. They're going to talk to him. obviously. He's picked out of a lineup, which he says, you know, that ain't me. We find out a little, he has no criminal record, this guy. What did he do this for? This isn't like, you know, oh, this is a long, you know, this is just the end of the culmination of a criminal career. He's just, he's never been in trouble, never done anything.

We find out that he's got some problems. And there's going to be no surprise here. He's the youngest of six children. Dirt. Arkansas dirt poor Real dirt poor Like their floor is made of dirt poor That's dirt poor His father was a severe alcoholic Who refused to work or provide for the family

Horrible abuse by the father To the whole family Beats the shit out of every one of the six kids And the mom in front of the kids Everything he beats everybody Including young old Jimmy Don who is You know the youngest

And they said that He was was actually a special target of his dad. His dad took great joy in beating the shit out of him because he was small and weak and also mentally slow. He's not all that. Shocking. That a guy who's not all there go, I got the perfect crime.

Oh, boy. You do things and you say some guy, look just like me did it. That's how that'll get it. I can't believe nobody never thought of this before. That's the process of a dump. Remember in mind, Hunter, when they talk to the one guy who's a. complete one. They weren't looking for me.

He said, yeah, so I sent them letters to keep them off the track and they were like, you just pushed them toward you more. That's what he did. So he's an idiot. Well, they didn't find her. So I wanted them to find her. Yeah, but you told them where the body is.

Yeah, that's the genius part. Yeah, see, that's the smart part. That way they know. It comes around like a donut. Exactly. That's this guy. That's who we're dealing with. This is the level of intelligence.

And I've been framed by my double dutcher. Oh, goddamn evil twin. time. I thought the soap operas was lying all these years, but no, there's evil twins out there. Now, they said he has a lifelong history of learning and cognitive problems. He was in special education for the lowest functioning students that they had available in Arkansas, which is saying something. Ooh. Yeah, he was in like, I think they call that the inbreeder class, is what that is. It's certainly the mostly just inbred children. It's not a, it's a single healings. Yeah. That's what they call it.

Yeah. Now, despite of all of this, he was considered a good worker at jobs that he had, just unskilled manual labor job. He's a good worker who doesn't do anything or steal or that crazy. He does his job and shuts up and goes home. He had, but his childhood was a fucking mess. They said, evidence of his life history that were noted here in court records, quote, among other things, Wooten was able to hold several jobs, including maintenance work and small vehicle repairs. Well, so did Billy Bob Thornton and Slingblade.

So did Slingblade. He literally did this exact thing. And they're like, I mean, he's fine, right? He hacked a man's head in half with a long-mover blade. I call it a Slingblade. Including maintenance work in small vehicle. Graduated high school, bottom of his class, but he graduated. I didn't graduate high school, so good for you.

Attended college for two years. What? I couldn't have been. I don't think it was like a major university. And he didn't, like, graduate. Wade, he just went, and was able to maintain his driver's license. He actually operated an aircraft and actually at one point owned a beachcraft skipper airplane. You can own anything, James.

That does not mean he flew it. But if he did, that's impressive. And he's still alive, which means he knew how to fly it, you know what I mean? I knew how to land it. Currently, he was an employee of Arkansas Tech University in Russellville. I guess he was doing maintenance work there. he pleads not guilty to the charges. Wow.

Yeah. Now, so Henry Porter lives through all this with his three gunshot wounds, and the newspapers are calling him a hero for saving his daughter and everything else. He says, I think she had as much to do with saving her life as I did. Which, yeah, she went and hit under a rock and everything like that. She was just lucky. He didn't start shooting her. But he made himself the target and the threat for this man,

so it took the attention off his daughter. That's hero shit He said that I don't want Anything to get in the media that might in any way jeopardize the case against this guy And he said another thing he said There weren't a cross word between everybody Until this fellow shot at us for no reason

They didn't say fuck you slow down with your 18 There was never a word exchange other than the cordial talking and him giving them direction So none of this makes sense He didn't rob them Right It's the thing you didn't see like they didn't have anything to take There's no benefit for this. It was just to kill people?

It's crazy. So David LaSalle's brother said they had a cordial conversation with this fellow and then left him. The next thing they know, my brother shot in the back of the head, it was completely unexpected. Yeah. So like I said, they pick him from a lineup, obviously, and they try to get the lineup suppressed. Oh? Yeah. They say that basically Henry Porter, the guy who's true.

survived, described initially the assailant as being in his late 20s, five feet seven inches tall, about 140 pounds with sandy blonde hair. He didn't say that the assailant had either a mustache or a beard. Oh. But then when they got him in front, he picked that guy out. Molly Porter described the assailant as being in his late 20s, light brown hair. His hair's red, by the way. He's a ginger hardcore.

This is Arkansas, too. Yeah. Yeah. 5 foot 6, about 140, 150 pounds. She also didn't mention a beard or mustache. No? Now, he contends, they want to get the lineup thrown out because Jimmy Don contends the lineup was conducted that was conducted was overly suggestive because based on the description provided by the two witnesses, it was inevitable he would be picked. You know, because it was me, because it looked just like me.

He says he was the shortest person in the lineup by three or four inches. asserts that the closest to his height had gray hair and a mustache and that two other persons in the lineup had facial hair and that two persons appeared to be in their late teens or early 20s. So yeah, you do have to have a generally consistent lineup. Okay. The trial court, though, concludes that they did not see much disparity at all between the individuals placed in the lineup, and there was nothing that the court appeared to be suggestive happening. So they said, line up stands. That's fine. Which is pretty much everything that they picked him out as the guy shooting at him.

Yeah, but. And also, he had the gun and his story's ridiculous. Just go in front of the jury with that story. Yeah. But the other part is like, don't you want a lineup with like, I don't know, like a guess who? Everybody's different. I don't want everybody to look the same or similar. Everybody's supposed to look similar in a lineup, though.

Are they really? Yeah, they're supposed to look similar. So you pick out the exact person that did it. Yeah. If you pick out, because otherwise, if let's say you said, I don't know. He was tall and sort of, you know, vaguely ethnic of some kind. And then you stick me in the lineup with you and like Sarah and like a bunch of other people. I guess the idea is, I guess the idea is, here's a bunch of people.

One of them is the one we suspect. Perhaps if you pick the one we suspect, then it's, yeah, I guess you're right. Yeah, yeah, you got to pick them out. Because if they all look alike, you just suspect a guy and then everybody else is 60 years old. Yeah, yeah. And they're like, well, it's not any of them, that's for sure. And the person doing the lineup is going to do. process of elimination of that must be the guy

because it's not him, it's not him, it's not him, rather than it's definitely him. So the prosecution's opening said, common sense will tell you what's different about this. We've got the defendant with his blue bathing suit with the red band around the top and his stained eye teeth. Jesus. And we've got a

cold-blooded murderer and that ladies and gentlemen is this defendant right here. So the defense, their entire theory, is it was another guy. They stick with his story. A lawyer does not come up with a better strategy than look just like him. Yeah. I mean, for what happened and all the facts, the best story is duffel bagger. You're right. That's the only thing. You know what? Duffel bagger. We're doing it. So the prosecution in closing said, Ted Porter, that's Henry's nickname, is a hero and this defendant is a

coward. He's a coward and he's a murderer. Every one of you was asked, talking to the jury, if you would hold the state accountable for a motive and you assured me you wouldn't try to make us explain what was going through his head because I don't want to be there in his stupid head, I assume he's say. But there's some obvious things about this and I'm sure you've seen. Three people hike in one shot dead, the other shot three times and one and the other one in and around this shooting, definitely in danger, but no physical injuries. And that one person's a pretty little 18-year-old girl. Yeah.

Pretty little thing. So the only one person who doesn't have a scratch on her when he is from me to you is Molly. You see where I'm going. You know that's not our burden, although you know that's what's happening. Do you see what they're saying? What are they saying? They're saying he's trying to kill those two so he can kill, he can get Molly and go rape her in the woods.

Yes. Oh, boy. He said, he's from me to you, from her, doesn't shoot her. Ah. But tries to shoot the two men. Meanwhile, she's a pretty 18-year-old girl. So they're saying he got his dick hard on this ATV and said, I'm going to get me that. That's what he's saying is, you know, I'm not saying that's motive, but you can follow my logic, right?

Yeah. She's the only one that's unscathed, and it didn't go to his plan. That's for sure. This is obviously not what he expected to happen. So the verdict comes in in very short amount of time. He is guilty of capital murder, criminal attempt to commit capital murder, and aggravated assault. In Arkansas, they pull your heart out through your penis there. I believe that's actually what the judge sentences.

So the sentencing, the mitigation, they say that his entire penalty phase presentation, his lawyer's presentation, filled fewer than 10 pages of trial transcripts. transcript, including his opening and closings from there. He didn't even try, y'all. He presented two witnesses, an officer from the jail where Jimmy Don was housed prior to and during the trial, and one of his former co-workers. Doesn't bring in his family, doesn't bring in brother, sister's mother, none of that shit. I expected an OJ defense for this open-shut case. He said he had no criminal record, no criminal record.

He's a good worker, a good prisoner, and could work in prison if sentenced to life. in prison. So he'll make his way. The co-worker also testified. He was a good worker. In closing, his lawyer told the jury they would have to find the aggravating circumstance asserted by the state, namely that the person in the commission of the capital murder knowingly created a great risk of death to a person other than the victim. And he said that he told the jury also he did not intend to appeal to a motion and in fact presented no evidence of any personal history or testimony from the family.

Okay. Okay. The jury finds the knowingly created a great risk of death aggravator. They found several mitigators, too. Oh. No criminal record. Exemplary work ethic, more than one job skill that he could use in prison, that he adapted to prison and was a good prisoner. And that he didn't kill the girl.

Didn't kill Molly. That is good. But they say, you, sir, may fuck off death by lethal injection. Yes. It's Arkansas, man. You don't kill. people there. Plus, they have the highest murder rate. Second or third

highest murder rate. Yeah, but my point is, my point, just because it happens, I don't mean. Louisiana, Mississippi, Arkansas. They're the three that kill the most people, too, just about. They're in the top five. My point is, when you do it, don't expect to not be put to death. Yeah. But the problem is it's also the Arkansas court system, so that's why they drag on for 40 years. They don't actually kill all these people. Yeah.

Because it's Arkansas. So, and plus 30 years imprisonment. on the attempt to commit murder and six years on an aggravated assault charge. So his first appeal is denied. A new lawyer is hired for some second appeals and third appeals. One of the appeals, he says,

they kept, this is my favorite, they struck the one black juror. And the appeals court is like, you have red hair. How would that have helped you? They understand. Over time, they think, figured out that black jurors are less likely to vote for a death penalty.

That's what their thing is here. But they say it's not, it wasn't struck for that reason. It wasn't, you know, so that's preserved there. 1999 appeal. Okay, his wife hired a new lawyer after the first appeal. This guy, Claussen. James O. Claussen, he does. Now, here's some highlights of Claussen's legal career.

I go through this real quick. 1993, disbarred in Oklahoma for failure to pay dues. And also to do the continued learning. 94, Oklahoma conviction and sentencing. Sentenced to two years in Oklahoma on two separate grounds of uttering a forged instrument. What? What? What?

Reprimanded by the Arkansas Supreme Court for mishandling a bankruptcy case. Also reprimanded that year by the Supreme Court for deceptive advertising. 1999 referred to the Arkansas Committee of Professional Conduct for failing to file an appeal. on behalf of his client. 2001 sentenced to 18 months imprisonment by the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Arkansas after being found guilty of six counts of bankruptcy fraud.

And then finally disbarred in 2001. Nice. Yeah. Closson. Yeah. Glosson. So it's fucking crazy. That's his lawyer?

This guy says, we got a new, and this is literally what he said in court. He's, quote, two retardants. Oh, I'm too retarded. I can't do this. No, no, no. He can't be executed, just too retarded. Oh, okay. Not that he is just mentally retarded. He's too retarded. Good news, James. Neither of us will ever, we've never flown a plane.

Yeah. We're in good shape. We're in good shape. That doesn't work. No. Finally, in 2020, his death sentence is overturned. What? And his new sentence is, you, sir, may fuck off life without parole. Commute. It's because of the attorney. Because that attorney fuck a ton of stuff up. So you can't kill a guy like that. Right now here, I'll give you a picture of him here. Yeah.

There he is. That guy. That little squarely fuck here. That little guy looks like your neighbor. Yep. He's five, six, 135 pounds, little guy. He's still there. Dangerous.

Where is he in the facility address? That doesn't matter. He's a P.O. Box 600, Grady, Arkansas. There's a thing. So he's in there. And we'll be in there forever, life without parole. He did achieve in a program principles of applied to living program in 2012. So there you go.

There's Jimmy Don Moot and there's Barberidge's still. There's two three named Arkansas murderers in one hour for you guys. I got a feeling that guy was that that lawyer was right. I think his motive and idea of why it happened is 100% accurate. That's the only thing that makes sense. Nothing else is plausible. Nothing else makes sense. So there you go.

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