Small Town Murder - The Unluckiest Winner - Plant City, Florida

Episode Date: February 12, 2026

This week, in Plant City, Florida, when a very poor man wins $30 million dollars, it seems like he's the luckiest man, in the world. He helps his family, and builds a new life of luxury. Until he disa...ppears. There are suspicious stories about where he may be, but did he just run away to hide from money seekers, or was he brutally murdered by a ruthless plot, hatched by one of the people he most trusted? A twisted story of betrayal!!   Along the way, we find out that strawberries are a winter thing in some locations, that even winning the lottery can't solve all of your problems, and that there can be a dark plot inside the mind of just about anybody!   New episodes, every Wednesday & Friday nights!! Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder, Crime In Sports & Your Stupid Opinions!   Follow us on... instagram.com/smalltownmurder facebook.com/smalltownpod   Also, check out James & Jimmie's other shows, Crime In Sports & Your Stupid Opinions on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts!!

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This week, in Plant City, Florida, when a man wins a $30 million lottery, it seems like he's the luckiest man in the world until he disappears. But did he just run away to hide from money seekers, or was he brutally murdered by a ruthless plot hatched by one of the people he trusted most? Welcome to Small Town Murder. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Small Town Murder. Yay! Oh, yay indeed, Jimmy. Yay indeed. My name is James Petrogall.
Starting point is 00:00:42 I'm here with my co-host. I'm Jimmy Wiseman. Thank you folks so much for joining us today on another wild edition of Smalltown Murder. It's Florida today. Oh. You know, that's always a banner week for Small Town Murder when it's Florida because it's always going to be crazy. We'll get to all of that and more. Before we do, though, head over to shut up and give me murder.com.
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Starting point is 00:02:46 Patreon as well. Add free. Not an ad there. And you get a shout out at the end of the regular show. That's, by the way, on the audio version. Just, yeah, yeah, yeah. Not on Netflix. Yeah. It would be crazy to do that here. That would be insane. That would be a little weird to do that on Netflix. Yeah, just to watch people. Nobody would get that shit. Watch a man struggle to read. Some people say they want it. I don't think they know what they're asking for. If you want that, see me at the library. So that's that disclaimer time. Yeah. This is a comedy show, everybody.
Starting point is 00:03:15 It is. We are comedians. We are going to talk about murder, obviously, and there will be jokes. And you go, well, how do you do that? Well, very easily here. What we do is we don't make fun of the victims or the victim's family. Why is that, James? Because we're assholes.
Starting point is 00:03:31 But. But we're not scumbags. That's how that goes. See, there's plenty of other stuff to make fun of. We make fun of a small town just because why not? We're all from somewhere that deserves to be made fun of. Who cares? And we make fun of, you know, a police force that lets a murderer go free.
Starting point is 00:03:44 We make fun of murderers because what else can we do? We're comedians. We have no recourse here. Because fuck them. That's why. Because fuck them. That's why. So there you go.
Starting point is 00:03:54 That said, if that sounds good to you, you're going to hear a wild crazy story and we're happy that you're joining us. If you think true crime and comedy should never, ever go together, I don't know why you're here. What's wrong with you? You should check it out. No complaining later, though. Let's just say that.
Starting point is 00:04:08 Yeah. And let's all sit back. What do you say, everybody? Clear the lungs and let's all put our arms to the sky and let's all shout. Shut up and give me murder. Let's do this, everybody. Okay. Let's go on a trip, shall we?
Starting point is 00:04:27 We are going to Florida this week. Here it is. We are the panhandle of all panhandles. Just two panhandles welded together. This is in Plant City, Florida. I mean, the whole state is plants, right? It's everywhere. Yeah, they're growing all over the place.
Starting point is 00:04:44 This is in western Florida, but not like the panhandle up there. No? Outside of Tampa, Western Florida. Yeah, western side there, the Gulf side. It's about 30 minutes to Tampa, about an hour and five to Orlando, and about three hours to Tqesta, Florida. Our last Florida episode, episode 634, the face-eating frat boy. Oh, yeah, he was a lunatic, right? I don't need to explain that one. I think you guys get the point there.
Starting point is 00:05:14 This is in Hillsborough County, area code 813 and 656. Can't hold this town down with one area code. A couple of nicknames here, well, a motto and a nickname. Their motto is the same motto that most places have. They either have, it's a great place to live, work and play, or they have preserving the past, embracing the future. That may are. Yeah, we like the past, but we're moving. forward. Florida's past, not so much to preserve.
Starting point is 00:05:42 No, we can do without that, probably. I mean that book. Nicknay, they're present too is really, could probably be brushed aside
Starting point is 00:05:51 pretty easily, I think. Probably the future if I'm going by. If I'm being honest, the other nickname is the winter strawberry capital of the world.
Starting point is 00:06:01 Uh-huh. Of the world. Yeah. God damn it. Winter strawberry. Winter strawberry. Is there a summer one or a spring one? I don't know if they mean
Starting point is 00:06:08 they grow in the, winter or if it's a specific strain of strawberry. That's a winter strawberry. I'm not sure. A little bit of history. Plant City's original name during the middle 1800s was, oh boy, bear with me, everybody. Itchy Pucka Sasa. Oh.
Starting point is 00:06:25 I, C-H-E-P-U-C-K-E-S-A-S-A. It's an itchy asshole, right? Itchy pucker sassah. It's a richie pucker hole. Itchy pucker hole. They were like... Itchy assy ass. It doesn't exactly roll off the tongue.
Starting point is 00:06:40 No. It's because worms, Florida was taken. Yeah, yeah. Check for worms, Florida is not great. This was after the Native American village that occupied the territory. In 1860, they renamed it Cork because the postmaster was from Ireland and that's where it was his hometown. So he named it that. Then finally, Plant City, he'd figure because there's a lot of plants.
Starting point is 00:07:05 No, there's a guy named Henry B. Plant. of the South Florida Railroad that he brought the railroad in, which meant people could take all of their agriculture and move it along. So they were so happy with him. They named the place after him. Then it was in 1911. It was reincorporated as town of Plant City. And then they reincorporated again as the city of Plant City, which sounds redundant.
Starting point is 00:07:31 But here we are. Well, it got bigger than the town, James. It's the city of Plant City now. Reviews of this town. Yeah. Here we go. We don't know anything about it. Let's find out what people think. Five stars. Everyone knows everyone. Sure. Again, people think that's a positive. That's not a good thing. I'd like to be semi-inonymous here.
Starting point is 00:07:48 I need the fuck alone. Please. Plant City is 110% country living mixed with modern amenities. Oh, there's an extra 10% at this town. Extra 10% but you don't have to shit in a hole in the yard. So it's... That's nice. Modern amenities, yeah. The town is beautiful, especially in the downtown and historical areas. In other words, and I assume this is probably a song lyric that I'm unaware of, because this is all the quote. In other words, dot, dot, dot. It's cornbread and chicken.
Starting point is 00:08:19 Where I come from, lots of front porch picking, where I come from trying to make a living, working hard to get to heaven where I come from. Alan Jackson, James, give my hand. No, that sounds awful. You just sang his song, man. Wow. I don't think that would be classified as singing probably. I read it as dryly as humanly possible. As much as Alan Jackson sings, that was singing.
Starting point is 00:08:46 Does he not sing much? He's not much of a melodic guy. Really? Where I come from? It's cornbread and chicken. I thought it was John Denver at first. Close enough. I can't believe they got every fucking word of it, though.
Starting point is 00:09:01 That was very impressive. I thought it was, thank God I'm a country boy, but I guess not. I don't know shit about it. country music, you know that. Five stars here. Yeah. I love this place. It's very quiet, peaceful, and booming.
Starting point is 00:09:13 It's an up-and-coming community. There is communities going up around very rural and farms around. Okay. So it's a mix of suburbs and farm. I think that's country music quote. That's going to say. Who is that exactly? Is that a Garth Brooks lyric?
Starting point is 00:09:33 What are we talking about? Three stars. I liked the idea of a small town. However, there were limited resources. That's a small town. And then I got here. Then I got here. It was like, oh, this isn't good at all.
Starting point is 00:09:46 It was hard for our school to get many resources due to its small size. There was also a large problem with graffiti and gang violence. I thought it was country living porch picking or whatever the fucky. What did he say? Something about chicken, I think. Tax dollars usually come based on population. So if there's not a lot of population, there's no fucking money for you. There's not a lot of money.
Starting point is 00:10:06 That's what I mean. So, yeah, you better keep trying, keep working hard to get to heaven, I guess. I don't know what to tell you. I'm giving advice from Alan Jackson. I feel like you would, I feel like that person would take that advice a little easier from Allen Jackson than from us, that's all. How'd you just have a little cornbread and chicken and start some cornbread and chicken. Get on your front porch and start picking and shut the fuck up.
Starting point is 00:10:27 Yeah. Leave us the fuck out of it. There was also, okay. Everyone knew everyone. Actually, everyone, K-E-W-E-W, everyone. I assume that's new what they're going for. K-E-W. Everyone, coo everyone.
Starting point is 00:10:40 Which was nice. I just wish everyone would be a little nicer. Oh, that's Florida. There you go. Two stars. Where I live is kind of in the woods, so there's not a lot of that stuff. At least I have not seen it. That's the whole review.
Starting point is 00:10:56 It was almost rhyming. That stuff. I don't know what that stuff is. one star finally people are rude sure are they always are they always are in a hurry cutting off each other and begging in this tiny city what none of that makes sense on the bright note schools are good okay the teachers are helpful with the kids there's not much to do for the younger ones but it would be nice for families like that to be away from the big city but to live close enough to enjoy the bigger cities with a little drive yeah Yes, suburbs is what you just described. Yeah. Okay. My brain is broken from Florida.
Starting point is 00:11:35 Tampa's right there. Tampa's right there. Yeah. You can go get a chicken. Yeah. You can go get a chicken. You can get shit tons of mess. It walks down the road.
Starting point is 00:11:43 Yeah. You can pick it up. Hey, Rooster. Look at you. Got a chicken. Blonde women with bruises all over their legs. It's all there in Tampa, everybody. People in this town, 39,700 or 272.
Starting point is 00:11:56 Sorry. Good size town. That's a decent size. It's grown a lot recently in the last like 10 years or So more women than men, which is strange for a town, like by a lot. It's 51.7% women. So that's well above the average. It's usually like 50.1%.
Starting point is 00:12:11 Median age here, 36.8 is right around the national average within a year or two. The family stats here, 47% married, 23% single with children. So it's kind of a suburb and then kind of also like a small. It's a mixture of people that grew up like. country, you know, out there and people who just don't feel like living right in Tampa. So you get like, that's the mix that's going on here. Race in the city, 50.4% white, 14.7% black, 30.3% Hispanic. The religion here, 40% religious, which is low, honestly, for Florida.
Starting point is 00:12:52 And you'd think, because as we know, Baptists are the Catholics of the South. You'd think they'd have the most. But no, Catholic barely edges out. Baptist here. Oh, Welcome to transplants. Baptists of Florida. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:13:05 That's where we are here. 0.6% Jewish, so we do not get to sing this week. Unemployment rate is under the national average. It's low. That's good. Median household income also less than the national average, though. It's usually about $69,000 here, $57,025. Not terrific.
Starting point is 00:13:24 But the median home cost, so it cost a living overall 100 is average. Here, it's 104. Okay. So not bad. Housing is lower than 100. Housing is $322,400 as the median home cost here. It's a bit steep, yeah. It's a bit steep for where you are, but maybe we've convinced you. I don't know what it is.
Starting point is 00:13:42 Maybe it was the cornbread and the chicken and the porch picking and all that shit. But we have for you, the Plant City, Florida, real estate report. Your average two-bedroom rental here goes for above the national average. It's expensive to rent here. $1,160 is your average $2. Holy. Wow. There, by the way, on the Zillow listing for this town,
Starting point is 00:14:13 there are so many trailers. I can't even. It's like the first four pages are all trailers. There's no... It is interesting how the trailer population around Florida is way the fuck up. Considering they,
Starting point is 00:14:28 outside of like Oklahoma, live in the worst place to have a fucking trailer. Constantly have winds coming. Yeah, because of the weather there Take your trailer. I guess you just float it down the road if it floods, right? You just grab a wars. Put some ballasts on the side of it and hope for the best. Now you got a pontoon boat.
Starting point is 00:14:43 That's right. That's what I'd do if I moved in. Here is a two-bedroom, two bath. So technically, T-bowl for each and every B-hole here. 1,232 square foot manufactured home. It's a trailer home, but they built like a carport thing in front of it with actual stone pillars, which seems like a waste of stone for a trailer. All right.
Starting point is 00:15:03 They're moving now. It's not going. anywhere. This thing is $15,000. And that's not auction. That's not foreclosure. That's 15. Is that the property? Or is the, the, I don't know. Is that just the porch? Is that the driveway? What is that? $500. $500.00. It's got to be rent. It's got to be $1,500 a month, right? Plus the rent. And who knows? It's, I would hope not. It looks like a piece of shit. So I think not. Here is a three-bedroom two-bath. It could be a trailer, but it's not. It's actually. a built home.
Starting point is 00:15:36 1440 square feet. It's on 0.53 acres. That's nice. It's built in 1966. Inside could use a lot of work. They have some real old tiles and shit. It's in foreclosure, $229,000 for that bad boy. In foreclosure, though.
Starting point is 00:15:52 In foreclosure. Then finally, you want to stretch out. Here we go. You've done very well for yourself. You want a big old front porch for picking and chicken. King Plant City. Licking and whatever else you do. doing five bedroom four bath 4,
Starting point is 00:16:06 5,77 square feet on a 24.71 acre lot. Huge. 5,000 square feet on 24 acres? Lots of room. It's got a big gate in the front. Lots of, like if you had horses, this would be a good place for you.
Starting point is 00:16:22 $2,600,000. So you can afford horses if you're moving in there. Worth it, right? No. It could be two. $160,000 I wouldn't live in that house in this fucking town. I just mean if I had $2.5 million spent on house. Oh, I wouldn't spend it in Florida.
Starting point is 00:16:41 No, no, no. Just if you get that property with that house, obviously location location. But somewhere. Oh, yeah, it'd be worth it. That's a great piece of, yeah. Oh, it's worth it. It's beautiful. It's great.
Starting point is 00:16:52 I mean, if that's what you're in the market for, it's terrific. It's built in 2015. It's not too old, too. Things to do here. Oh, boy. It's the Florida Strawberry Festival, everybody. No surprise there. It says each spring.
Starting point is 00:17:04 The Florida Strawberry Festival rolls out the red carpet. Oh. To welcome visitors from throughout the Sunshine State and the world. Guests come from near and far to enjoy exhibits of agriculture, commerce, industry, livestock, fine arts, horticulture, and crafts. Yeah. Yeah, there's rides and there's all that kind of shit. And then, of course, there's a lot of music. And we're going to talk about those.
Starting point is 00:17:28 Oh, boy. And they got 40,000 people, so they bring some giant acts. Oh, there's a lot in here. I was so disappointed not to see Ludacris. I really was. I really thought Ludacris would be here, but he's not. He's busy. If you're new to the show, Ludacris does every small town festival in America.
Starting point is 00:17:44 We feel there's at least a dozen ludicry walking the country doing shows. It's usually a coin flip, whether it's Ludacris or Nelly. Yes. Both of them love these places. They have neither. Now, here are the non-headlining bands. Okay, these are just going to be hanging out. The All Day.
Starting point is 00:18:02 Dennis Lee. Wonder what he sings. Richie and the High Street Rockers. I wonder what they do. Martin and Kelly. Yeah. Okay. Gospel Night with Pastor Pee Wee Callens.
Starting point is 00:18:15 Oh, no. Oh, boy. Christy Krause. Ted Stevens and the dooshots. The do shots. D-O-O, like do-ops, but do shots. Yeah. Jess Kelly Adams.
Starting point is 00:18:27 I wonder. That sounds contrary. Reach City Worship. The three Dom Band. It's either three guys. named Dom or a bunch of guys with like whips and chains and gip masks. Yeah. Just fuck your shit up.
Starting point is 00:18:40 Casual with a K and a Z. Don't like that at all. Nerdy Noah. Oh yeah. Okay. You know nerdy Noah? Big fan. Big fan. Huge. Grandpa Cratchett. There was a puppet involved in that one. So that gives a good idea of something.
Starting point is 00:18:57 Rannell's rustic wood carving show and Robinson's racing pigs. Okay. Okay. Now the headliners. Here we go. Jimmy Stur and his orchestra. Never heard. The Oak Ridge Boys.
Starting point is 00:19:11 Get the fuck out of it. The remaining live members of the Oak Ridge Boys. How many are dead? I don't know how many there were to begin with. I have no idea. I'm just going to sing Elvira over there. I had the album with Elvira on it. Of course.
Starting point is 00:19:24 It feels like there was four, maybe five of them. I could see four of those guys. One of them had a beard. One of them was kind of handsome. looked like the mouth of the south. What's his name? Jimmy Hart. Yeah, he kind of looked like him.
Starting point is 00:19:38 Jimmy Hart was in the gentries. He should have joined the Oak Ridge Boys. I love that album. That's a good album. Alabama. Nice. Joe D. Messina. Jamie Johnson.
Starting point is 00:19:48 She's terrific. Lone Star. Nope. Ty Myers. Riley Green featuring Hannah McFarland. Got to have her in there. Jinn Watson. The Legends of Love featuring Brian McKnight.
Starting point is 00:20:02 Genuine and Ruben Stuttered. Brian McKnight Genuine. We may as well bring around Ruben Sturton's fat ass. The buffet is overflowing. We bring Rubin in. We ordered too much.
Starting point is 00:20:16 Sandy Page, or Sandy Patty, sorry. Lauren Daigle, John Foster, Brantley Gilbert, which sounds extremely country. He's fucking horrible. Bill Halley Jr.
Starting point is 00:20:27 and the Comets. Not Bill Haley. His kid's got to be 80 by now. How old are these people? people. The Bellamy brothers. I don't know if Bill's involved in that or not. It's Bill and Ralph. That's who it is. Billamy and Ralph Bellamy. They are brothers. I feel like I know who they are, though. Despite age and race, they're brothers. Dirk's Bentley. Yeah. The Marshall Tucker band. Jesus.
Starting point is 00:20:49 Forest Frank. Pitbull Toddler. Is this, does Pitbull have a child that wraps now? Pit bull toddler. The offspring. And finally, Joan Jett and the Black Hearts. Yeah. Two of these things aren't like the other. The Offspring and Joan Jett playing a concert series with Dirk's Bentley. With Dirk's Bentley and we'll bring in the Marshall Tucker band, whoever's left from them too. Why not? That felt like it like tapered off into like the worst ones minus the last two. I'd rather see the offspring and Joan Jett. John Jett.
Starting point is 00:21:24 Yeah. Anybody else. Yeah. Yeah, by far. I guess Marshall Tucker has some good old songs. They're fine. Yeah, Alabama. I'd love to see you live. The ochridge poison, I'm fucking in. They've got to be 90. They've got to be. Just be sitting there going, fucking Elvira. Elvira.
Starting point is 00:21:41 Here it is. Here's Elvira. Okay. Elvira. Hey, just do Elvira more, please. Yeah, we don't know the other songs. I want to hear the country cornbread picking. There you go.
Starting point is 00:21:53 I want to hear all that from these old ass men. Crime rate in this town, what we are interested in, property crime is about one-third above the national average. So it's a small town. It's pretty dangerous. Wouldn't expect that. Then violent crime, murder rape robbery and, of course, assault. The Mount Rushmore of crime is just above the national average.
Starting point is 00:22:11 Lock your doors, Dirk Bentley. They're coming to get you. Lock them up, fucking close them down here. Yeah. The offspring are going to want to be kept separated from these people so they don't get robbed. That said, let's talk about some murder. All right. Here we go.
Starting point is 00:22:25 This is a crazy story. Let's start with a quote from a detective of the Polk County Sheriff's Office. All right. This is David Clark. He says, Polk County is what most people consider a rural county. We have a lot of orange groves. We have a lot of cow pastures, a lot of houses with large acreage.
Starting point is 00:22:43 But we also have metropolitan areas, such as the city of Lakeland. Lakeland is a very diverse city. You have pockets of Lakeland that are very affluent people. The crime rate in Polk County is one of the lower counties in Florida. We don't have a lot of violent crime. On the spectrum of Florida, I would put us in the lower 10%. Because some of this case kind of happens in Pult County. So that's why they're involved in this.
Starting point is 00:23:07 And it's a multi-county, multi-state, multi-jurisdictional investigation. Elevated crime rates, but according to the other places in Florida, not so bad. On the spectrum of Florida, which is saying something. They got to figure it the fuck out if that's true. On the spectrum of an alligator hopped up on meth, it's, you know, over here. It's less than that. It's a picture like a gerbil. A gerbil on Sudafet is what we are compared to an alligator on meth.
Starting point is 00:23:35 A ferret on bathsol. That's it. That's it. I'm a badger on Benadryl. It's fine. He's tearing faces. So let's talk about a person first here. Let's do it.
Starting point is 00:23:46 Let's introduce ourselves to a guy with a goddamn cool name. Yeah? Abraham Shakespeare is his name. Fucking what? That's his real name. His real name is Abraham Lee Shakespeare. That is awesome. That's the coolest name of all time that we've ever covered, right?
Starting point is 00:24:04 Abraham Shakespeare. That's his parents being badasses, right? That sounds like being cool as shit. I mean, his parents are probably highly religious, which is probably where Abraham came from. And their last name just happens to be Shakespeare. Don't. Abraham, Shakespeare, though. That's like...
Starting point is 00:24:18 Fucking rad. Wow, that is cool as shit. That sounds like so made up. It's just too good to be real. Or they're just history buffs. That sounds like a rapper who hung around most deaf in the, like, like, like, late 80s, you know, late 90s, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm Abraham Shakespeare. I got some shit to say.
Starting point is 00:24:35 He's born April 24th, 1966. Uh-huh. He's born in Lakeland, Florida, youngest of four children. All right. His parents, and we'll talk about his mom, Elizabeth Walker, who comes up quite a bit in the story here. His parents were seasonal laborer orange pickers. Okay. Which is a tough gig by any standard.
Starting point is 00:24:56 Oh, my God. If you've never seen what tree, orange grows on. The thorns on those fucking things. They're three inches long. Oh, they're like spikes. Yeah. It's like a piece of wood that's been sharpened by nature. And if you get pricked by that, it burns for hours.
Starting point is 00:25:14 It's like a bogan via. Yeah. It's poison in your system. It's the same thing. Thicker. It's crazy. Oh, more painful by far. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:21 The oranges, they're horrible. Trees don't want you to have their fruit. No, I can't stay away from my fruit. Now, the, we talked about on crime in sports, Eddie Johnson. If we remember, who's a horrible, horrible, raped a child is in jail for the rest of his life. Thank fuck. Just a hard. Got arrested over 100 times.
Starting point is 00:25:38 Yeah, yeah. She was in the episode. It's interesting. Anyway, his parents were members seasonal orange stickers. And his life was not good because of that because it was really hard. And he had a brother that. He had a brother too. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:50 That's right. And gotten to some trouble as well, but not legal. Just more, uh, more, uh, you messed up, Frank. He screwed up a lot. Lost his job about it. That kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah. So he grew up. It's a poor family, obviously. You don't have seasonal orange pickers and be wealthy.
Starting point is 00:26:06 They're not loaded. They're not low. Strange, right? They weren't like a legacy family that just said, we got to keep close to the people and seasonally, you know, pick fruit, I think. On piecework. They make about 35 cents in orange and they just pick thousands of them a day. They think stoop labor is really the best way to keep close to the people. So he struggled academically, not good in school at all. all. Abraham quit school after the seventh grade, which is way too early. It's incredibly early. We always say like high school shit and a lot of most of it you really aren't going to use
Starting point is 00:26:42 or whatever, but you're using shit up until about the 10th grade. You know what I mean? Probably. And then the rest of it is a special, whatever, but you need to know basic stuff. And seventh grade is too young to drop out. That's 12 years old. Oh, my God. Yeah, seventh grade, you haven't even talked about World War II yet.
Starting point is 00:26:58 No, no, that's 12. You don't know shit. You haven't talked about semantics yet. You haven't talked about anything. And he can't read or write is the other thing. Which is probably why he dropped out because he was frustrated that if you can't read or write. Could you read in the seventh grade? I think I could.
Starting point is 00:27:15 I could read pretty well in the seventh grade. I'm about it the same level as I was then. But you get through it. I know the alphabet. Yeah, you get through it. I've seen your write things. I've seen you jot sitting down. You show me a letter.
Starting point is 00:27:27 God damn it. I'll identify it. tell you what it is. I'll tell you what comes after it and before it. What do you think of that? God damn. I might have to think a little on before. Before is tough. I always said if I ever got pulled over and they said alphabet backwards, I'd just go, arrest me. I haven't done a thing wrong, but take me. Z. I'm out of ideas. I got Z Y, but is at the end of this. X, it is X, it is X, Y, Z. Yeah. W, I think there's a T in there somewhere, a U possibly, a couple back. V, U. U. U. U.T.
Starting point is 00:28:00 Me doing this on the side of the road. I'm getting arrested. Period. I'm going, hold on a lot. Can I use my fingers? If I do, yeah, if I'm doing that, can I work it? No? Fuck.
Starting point is 00:28:12 So he's an illiterate seventh grade dropout, Abraham Shakespeare. Which sounds like Abraham Shakespeare should be getting his master's degree in like, you know, French literature or something. Or dropping out in like fifth grade and becoming like a mathematician genius. Yeah, yeah, yes. He's like some sort of savant or prodigy. He's in school going, this bores me. This is boring. I'm bored.
Starting point is 00:28:36 May I have something to do that is up to my intellectual capacity? Give me a challenge. Challenge. He worked in the citrus fields as a teenager because he dropped out when he's 12. So the next thing you do is go work in the fields because there's nothing else you really can do. He's working with his father in the field. He's got some brushes with the law. at an early age. At the age of 13, he's arrested for stealing from a convenience store.
Starting point is 00:29:04 Arrested. Arrested. And not only is he arrested at 13, if you're, what are you stealing from a convenience store? Right. Raisinettes. Where are you stealing? That's what I mean. Put the Twix back. He's got to be loading up, right? You call their parents and you say, hey, your kid's a shithead. Come pick him up. He's not allowed the store anymore. He don't call the cops. He ended up going to a juvenile detention center until he was 18.
Starting point is 00:29:25 He had to have been stealing a lot from them and they just, yeah, just caught him. I would think because otherwise this is well beyond reason. A three-year sentence on a-five. Oh, because he was 13. He was 13. Do five years for stealing. Five-year sentence on a slurpy? Come on.
Starting point is 00:29:44 That can't be right. That seems crazy, but that's what he did. He was in juvenile reform school until 18. I don't know if his parents said keep him there. We can't afford him. I'm not sure. I doubt it, honestly, because he's not. their parents really seemed to care about him and they seem like loving people.
Starting point is 00:29:58 So it makes sense. It had to be systematic theft over a long. And they knew he was doing it and they finally caught him. And also he's poor, so there's no way to defend against it either. But I mean saying 13 should be held for five years. His defense should be, I should be in the eighth grade right now and I was picking fruit in a field. That's my defense. I should be in math class.
Starting point is 00:30:20 Yeah, and I really wanted a snickers. So after he gets out of reform school, at about 18, he starts holding manual labor jobs because when you're illiterate, that's all you can do. Yeah. You have to be able to read to work. People always say, oh, do well in school. You'll end up working at McDonald's. You have to be able to read to work at McDonald's.
Starting point is 00:30:37 Yeah. You got to fill out the application. You've got to be able to at least fill out the application. So he does jobs like dishwasher and things like that where you don't really have to fill out an application. You just show up and there you go. At one point, he gets a job as a garbage man, which is a pretty good gig for him, actually. That's impressive. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:55 Also hauling concrete blocks, sweeping floors at his friend's barbershop. Just whatever he can get, whatever you, when you're basically what we did. But we were dumb enough to go to school until we were 18, like idiots. Oh, shit. So over the next decade here of adulthood, he's going to get arrested a bunch. Yeah. Trespassing, things like that, dumb things. He assaults his girlfriend at one point.
Starting point is 00:31:24 Oh, boy. Which ends him, lands him in prison. So he goes to prison for assaulting his girl. I think like a two-year period. This man has done near seven, near a decade in prison already. It's not even 30. More time in prison than school. Right.
Starting point is 00:31:42 If you think about that, that's crazy for a guy who's in his 20s here. So he gets released from prison in 1995 and goes to live with his mother, which is just what everybody wants to do. You know, guys having a tough go of things. He'll end up having two sons. In the late 90s, he hooks up with a girl named, a woman named Antoinette Andrews. Hell yeah. And this is from a book that we'll talk about later, the title, and I'll give everybody
Starting point is 00:32:09 their plugs and credits and everything. That's another historic sweet name, too. Antoinette. Yeah. Abraham, fucking, she could have been Antoinette Shakespeare. That's an awesome. Wow. That's class right there.
Starting point is 00:32:22 Wow. That's class. Antoinette Shakespeare? That's awesome. She drives a Skylark. Oh, absolutely. She's got a shit car. Like a, I was going to say like an old one, but they're nice.
Starting point is 00:32:33 Like a 96. Yeah, a shit 96 Skylark. That's not better. Like, what was those Pontiacs? The Sunfire? No, the, uh, the, uh, was with an A. Was it a Pontiac? It sounds like Achiva or something.
Starting point is 00:32:48 Azura. No, that's a lot of those. Achiva. Achiva. That's a car? That's what I remember. Yeah. Not good.
Starting point is 00:32:56 You're achieving something. It's an achieva. I'm an achieva, you see. You see? I'm an achieva. See on the back. Achiva. That's what's my nickname.
Starting point is 00:33:06 James Achiva Petrigallo. That's me. That's a beautiful. I'm pretty sure. Yeah. So Antoinette Andrews, he'd known her since childhood. And in 1998, they have a son named Moses. So now he's Abraham and Moses.
Starting point is 00:33:20 Moses Shakespeare. What a family. Right? This kid's name is Moses Shakespeare. Sick. That's awesome. So Abraham loves Moses. He does.
Starting point is 00:33:31 That's a totally different Bible verse. Yeah. Abraham and Moses getting it on. It's a total... I have no idea. You know me. I think Abraham's the one that sacrificed his son, right? Abraham's like Old Testament shit.
Starting point is 00:33:44 Yeah. And Moses parted the sea. He had the Ten Commandments and all that stuff. Yeah. He had all that stuff. going on. So his relationship with Antoinette's on and off, but he's apparently a good father from what everybody says. He, Abraham never lets more than a week pass before he can, you know, see his kid or whatever. He usually sees him three, four times a week, you know, that kind of thing.
Starting point is 00:34:06 So that's nice. He'll later have another son that we'll talk about. He, his job situation, his career, as we'll call it, for lack of a better term, isn't really going the way he wants it to, obviously. I mean, yeah, he can't read it right. He gets fired all the time from jobs, and he quits other times, too.
Starting point is 00:34:25 Oh. He explained at one point why he quits. He said, I woke up one day with some money in my pocket and turned over, and I said, I ain't going to work, and I just quit. Young, wild, and foolish.
Starting point is 00:34:37 That's what he called himself. I've still got $800 from last payday. I don't get a fuck. I have money. Why do I need to go to work and get more money? This will last me today, which is not a forward thinking. Yeah, today's good.
Starting point is 00:34:50 I'm fine. So into the 2000s, Shakespeare lives with his mother and has no money and they don't really, you know, they're not doing that great. Jesus. Yeah. It's tough times, basically. He ends up getting a job as a truck driver's assistant for the MBM Corporation. They got those? I guess so, a driver's assistant.
Starting point is 00:35:12 He's the guy, he's the black guy in Funny Farm that says, saying a bridge, this termites holding hands. Yeah. He's like, he said, I'm the assistant. Don't do it.
Starting point is 00:35:24 Yeah. I'm going to back this trailer up here. Don't do it. Don't do it. Shakespeare doesn't have a driver's license. So he's sitting shotgun helping load and unload things. Okay.
Starting point is 00:35:35 Makes things go a lot faster. And he makes about eight bucks an hour doing this. Ooh. Tough times. It's mid 2000, 2000, you know, four, five, six, something like that. Now, at this point, too, he's considered a very, by this point, I guess he's done beating up his girlfriend and things like that that put him in prison. Everyone talks about him as a gentle giant.
Starting point is 00:35:58 He's six foot five. God damn. Yeah. He's like an inch to be six five 190. So he's me, but one inch taller. Yeah. So he's a big guy. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:07 Everybody says he's kind. He describes him as, quote, kind, generous and illiterate, which is. He's a sweet dumb dumb. It's very, very descriptive. You know a lot about him. And it doesn't seem real stupid to me. No. He just has no education.
Starting point is 00:36:22 No, no. He's got normal, you know, logical abilities and things like that. He's not like, I wouldn't say like, oh, he's probably got a 68 IQ or something. He just, he's never read the back cover of Catcher because he didn't do it. He's never seen the book. He's never read a Captain Crunchbox. You know what I mean? Does not have a library card.
Starting point is 00:36:41 That's what you're saying. No, driver's license library card. Two things he doesn't have. But other than that, everybody seems to, he seems to be very well liked. Yeah. And he seems to treat people, I don't know if he figured out that, you know, hitting a woman sends you to prison because he seems to treat people with respect and treat everybody kindly. So that's a nice thing. And we don't know the situation of that either.
Starting point is 00:37:03 That could have been a misunderstanding. It could have been, I mean, two years in prison generally is not a misunderstanding. No, but yeah, yeah. Sometimes it is. We don't know. So, I mean, yeah, I assume two years in prison, you did something. You, for assaulting a woman type of thing. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:18 There was probably a problem there. So he ends up having another girlfriend around this time. They have a son named Jeremiah. He loves the Bible. Yeah. Yeah, Jeremiah. He loves it. Abraham, Moses, Jeremiah.
Starting point is 00:37:33 Shakespeare. There it is. This relationship doesn't end well, though, because they, it's a newspaper article describes the relationship as devolved. into a flurry of restraining orders, which is not a good way to describe anything. A flurry. Better known as true love. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:57 Better known as my soulmate. I can't quit you. Holy shit. In 2006, he is arrested because he is $6,000 behind on child support, which you make $8 an hour and you can't read. $6,000 might as well be a million dollars. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It's never going to materialize.
Starting point is 00:38:18 I don't know if you could read it anyway, so I'm not sure. It might be a million dollars. A bunch of zeros, guys. It's ugly. That's not good. I don't make that in a week. So he gets out of jail and he goes back to his job as the assistant truck driver. That was nice that they let him take a sabbatical for prison.
Starting point is 00:38:34 That's nice. Catch us when you come back. We don't got a lot of people interested in doing this job. Yeah, it's a tough job. It is a tough gig, too, because he unloads all these boxes at Tretts. like fast food restaurant. So it's all frozen shit too, probably a lot of it. That makes 16 grand a year, James.
Starting point is 00:38:51 And six grand behind. That's more than this cowboy makes. $30 million. Yeah. That's insane. It's way too much. So November 15, 2006, he's at work. All right.
Starting point is 00:39:05 He's on a delivery run with his partner here. Michael Ford is the guy driving. He's the truck driver. And they're going to Miami. And they stop. in frost-proof Florida, okay, at a convenience store. Never freezes, which I'm sure it just froze last week, probably. I'm sure it freezes all the fucking time.
Starting point is 00:39:26 It freezes a lot. So they stop there, and Shakespeare here, he's got $5 in his wallet to his name. He's got a $5 bill. Not even a $5 bill, five singles, which made him feel thicker. That's good. It's actually good that he had five singles because he takes two of the singles. and he hands it to Michael Ford and he says,
Starting point is 00:39:49 can you get me two quick picks? If you're not from this country, that's a lottery. We have lottery here where you pick random numbers or the computer picks them for you and they do lottery drawings. So that's what happened. Can you get me two quick picks? So he gets the quick picks and all that shit
Starting point is 00:40:06 and he goes home and he watches the drawing. Yeah. And he fucking won the lottery. Five numbers lottery? He won the fucking lottery. Wow. Six numbers. Six.
Starting point is 00:40:17 Six. 15, 22, 42, 42, 47, 52. All of them. He won $30 million. Child support's fucking paid. Pow. Take that. Take your six grand, bitch.
Starting point is 00:40:32 Get out of my life. Bill's like she's Sunny Corleone. Just take that for your broken camera. $30 million. $30 million. Wow. 30 million. And they said, did you read the fine print on the back of the ticket?
Starting point is 00:40:45 it though and he said absolutely not. I never read that. What's fine print? What five print? No. But he won, he won 30 million dollars. Wow. So he can either have a million and a half a year for like a certain amount of time. 20 years. Yeah. Or you can get a lump sum payout of about after taxes, it's going to be about 17 million dollars. Yeah. So that's what I think I'd take the 1.5 every year for 30 years, man. Well, I would just because you don't know what's going to happen and 30 years. So I'd take the 17 and do what I want to do, what I would do with it. You know what I mean? Okay. Make it grow one way or another. Yeah. Just in case you don't know what'll happen. But I guess
Starting point is 00:41:23 that's nice to know you're always getting a million and a half a year. I'd have to sit down and talk to somebody like that. 30 years? Million and a half every year. You, is it 20? I think it's 20 years. Yeah, that's 30 million. It's 30 million. It's 30 million. And then you got to pay taxes on that every year. I think I'd take that because the small, it's smaller taxes. It's maybe. No, it's not. It's the fucking highest tax bracket. In the end, it doesn't matter at all. Paying about the same.
Starting point is 00:41:47 You'd have to defer a bunch. I don't know enough about money. I just know that I think I'd take the long, long play. Everybody out there, we're idiot comedians. We know. We don't have $30 million. And we don't have $30 million. To explain that to the listeners and viewers here.
Starting point is 00:42:05 So his child support payments were abducted, deducted immediately. They were abducted. abducted to ducts, Sanford. Yeah. About $9,000 worth by now. Okay. That's fine. No problem.
Starting point is 00:42:18 Fuck it. The next day, Michael Ford, the driver, showed up at his house and asked if he could borrow some money. Remember how I went in and got that quick pick for you? Oh, man. So he's got a new life. Now his life is different. He was living with his mother under very poor circumstances with $5 in his wallet.
Starting point is 00:42:34 Five crusty crumpled up singles. Singles. This is his friend Greg Smith. It's one of his friends. He's a local barber, kind of a successful barbershop. He said, I heard Abraham won the lottery by the TV and the news and on the streets. Let's put it that way. He didn't grab his wealth and immediately run.
Starting point is 00:42:54 He stayed in the community where he lived. That's a mistake. You can help people from a distance. You don't have to be there, too. Get the fuck out, Abe. A couple weeks passed, and I see him coming in, clean in the bathrooms. What? In the barbershop was one of his jobs.
Starting point is 00:43:11 was he would do sweeping and shit like that in the barbershop. Abe, you don't have a, you're unemployed now, Abe. You are. I'm not picking up a toilet brush for the rest of my life. No. God, no. Fuck no. So he's cleaning the bathrooms. He says, I hit the lottery.
Starting point is 00:43:24 I was standing in the front of the barbershop, cutting hair, and I could see right out my door. I've seen this like BMW pull up. Man, I hit the lottery. Oh, my God, Abe. You're buying that already. He won, he bought a $100,000 BMW and a truck. He brought the $8.45. The seven series.
Starting point is 00:43:43 745. Yep. He got one of those. And then he purchased a house in a gated community, a $1.1 million house. Good. With two jacuzzies, a four-car garage and a pool. An enclosed pool, too, an indoor pool. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:59 No more mosquitoes while I dunk my balls. Good for you, Abe. That's success. Yes. My balls are wet and my arms aren't bitten by mosquitoes. I don't have red bumps in Florida. This is great. I'm killing it.
Starting point is 00:44:12 It's a 6,519 square foot mansion. That's a big house on Red Hawk Bend Drive. The listing described it like this. The huge gourmet kitchen and breakfast area with craft-made cabinets, GE monograms, stainless appliances, granite counters, open to the spacious family room featuring a granite-faced masonry fireplace and custom coffered wood ceiling. French doors lead to the pool and patio area,
Starting point is 00:44:40 and the breezeway that connects to the guest suite slash fourth bedroom with full bath and kitchenette. The master suite is downstairs and also has access to the pool and patio area. The glamor master bath and customized walk-in closet are huge. Upstairs is a loft area. Two bedrooms with walk-in closets and a full bath. Custom faux finishes and millwork are evident throughout the home. There are two double car garages and ample driveway parking. The screened pool slash spa.
Starting point is 00:45:10 has a paver deck and waterfall feature. Big fancy, stupid house. Sounds awesome. I'm shocked that a million-dollar house has GE appliances. That should have Wolf and Sub-Zero. Yeah. 2006. Wolf and Sub-Zo existed, right?
Starting point is 00:45:26 Yeah, but I think that's another level of house. Is it? Yeah. Probably. You might be right. Yeah, that might be the $2.3 million house. Yeah. My friend that was the baseball player, he said they had like Viking ranges, but his house was like $9 million.
Starting point is 00:45:38 Well, Viking. Yeah. Yeah, that's good shit. They had, when you get into those houses, they have two kitchens, too. Yes. That's the other thing. And the master bedroom has two master baths. That's rich people shit.
Starting point is 00:45:51 That's rich people shit. We don't even shit in the same toilet as rich people. That's incredible. My rich people shit goes down my own toilet. That's what that says. No one else is using. I don't even want to be in her scummy shower. I got my own.
Starting point is 00:46:03 Got my own. Now, he immediately invites his mother to move in with him, plenty of room. She says no. All right. She said she said there was bad vibes in that house. She didn't like the vibes. And she viewed the money as a curse. She thought it was bad.
Starting point is 00:46:20 Already. Already. Out of the game. Money's bad. She's bad. She's scared of money. She never had it. He also buys his son Moses a $1 million bond that he can get when he's 18.
Starting point is 00:46:32 So that means he's not paying a million for it. It's a new one basic. These are all smart things that he does. That's great. He has the BMW, but he also buys a Nissan Ultima. That's like his daily driver. He buys a Rolex, but from a pawn shop at well-discounted price. Stay the fuck out of pawn shops.
Starting point is 00:46:50 Well, that's fine. That's actually a smart thing. Sure, but the people that go to a pawn shop are dangerous. You don't want to be in there while some guy on his last leg is holding a chainsaw. Fuck that. He's trying to sell this chainsaw. He's trying to decide, do I sell it or cut my own head off with it? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:06 And this guy's got $30 million. I'm going to rob him with this chainsaw. Not bad. Then I'll be keeping the chainsaw from then on. It's a good weapons. So, yeah, Rolex from a pawn shop. So he's not going out going to get me the most expensive thing. He's still doing it.
Starting point is 00:47:19 He shops at Walmart still. His friends say he picked up pennies all the time. And he'd say pennies make dollars. Yeah, they do. So he's still got the same kind of mentality. Still doing broke people shit. He wouldn't spend a lot of money on himself. One of his friends who lived with him briefly said he didn't really, he didn't want new clothes or anything like that.
Starting point is 00:47:42 He said his daily attire was, quote, high water pants and rebox. He's just wearing what he was wearing. Same shit. Bies his jeans at Walmart. And he's like, perfect. Money ain't got changed me, maybe. Yeah. He just don't have to.
Starting point is 00:47:56 Yeah. He's like, yeah. I'm still going to pick up pennies. I'm still picking pennies up. There's a reporter named Marissa Green who, I think it's the Lakeland, ledger she worked for. She, uh, I'll give her the full credits at the end, but she followed this story from when he won the lottery. So she kind of knew about him then and then follows it throughout. She said Abraham Shakespeare couldn't read her right. So he really didn't understand
Starting point is 00:48:22 how much money he really had. That's a great point. Yeah. You've just got, I mean, if you've never, yeah, you've never had anything and you've never even been around people who have anything. So it's not like you can be like, oh, that's, you just don't know. A lot of numbers. What he did know was that he could now have the resources to pretty much do whatever he wanted. He could come and go and do just about anything. Yeah. Family friend Greg Massey said to describe Abraham as a person, he was a gentle, kind, loving person. He was heartfelt and hard giving. If he had it, he was willing to share it. He's got 17. I mean, we'll call it 17. We'll call it 30 because he doesn't have 30. He has $17 million. That's his. Yeah. Do that math on if he's how old. Is he 40 at this point? Almost, yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:09 I mean, you can live, you could spend 30 grand a month for so long with $17 million. And even then, if you have it just in the most basic of investment things, not anything risky, where it's just building a little bit, even if you're just beating interest with it or whatever. Yeah. Wow. So he went on a spree of helping people. Oh, Abe. He paid off people's mortgages. He paid for funerals.
Starting point is 00:49:39 He loaned money to freely. No. Freely to people. He would give money to homeless people, like large amounts of money to homeless people. And, I mean, that's nice. But in the last few weeks of November 2006, he is described by a friend as the Santa Claus of Lakeland. Oh, God. He gave one guy five grand.
Starting point is 00:49:58 He gave another man a $10,000 loan. He gave each of his stepsisters $250,000. Oh, my step-sisters can go fuck themselves. It's going to say, you're not giving your sister shit. I know that for a fact. My real sister can go fuck herself. You won't even talk to most of your sisters. You don't even talk to them.
Starting point is 00:50:16 One sibling. And that's on its last one. I bet you that. To say that's precariously hanging by a fucking string, by a thread. Ah. That's fucking funny. And he gave his stepfather a million dollars. man you
Starting point is 00:50:33 I don't know why but he didn't he'd have to have really done some amazing things we would have been fishing every weekend for a million dollars a million dollars yeah you'd have had to really have done some good stuff for me so one a writer who writes as a financial advisor and wrote books and columns on lottery winners
Starting point is 00:50:55 named Don McNay said nine out of ten people don't handle it well meaning winning the lottery It's life-changing. If you have a bad habit, it makes it worse. Yeah, because now you can afford it. Now you can afford it. It's the old Sam Kinnison drug.
Starting point is 00:51:10 Betty Ford Center. That costs $13,000. If I had $13,000, I don't have a fucking drug problem. That's the point. You have a drug problem when you're broke and you need drugs. That's how drug addicts looking shit. I don't have a problem at all. I'm doing great.
Starting point is 00:51:24 Yeah, I don't have a fucking drug problem. You said if you add addiction problems get magnified, People think that money cures problems, but it really magnifies them. For sure. Yeah. It shows your strengths and weaknesses in a big way. At equal levels. Now, Gregory Todd Smith, Greg Smith is the barbershop friend there.
Starting point is 00:51:48 And that's where he used to sweep floors and clean toilets and shit. And he said that, you know, they were very, very close, close enough to where he borrowed $63,000 from Abraham to save his mother's home from foreclosure, because this is like the end of two, this is 2007. So that's incredibly kind. That is very kind. But if my mom got herself into a position where she owes 67 grand on her house, yeah, my, you're homeless. And I'm sorry to tell you.
Starting point is 00:52:14 You did this to yourself. But this is also 2007. Yeah. Did millions of people do that? You know what I mean? Well, a lot of those people took, uh, helox and, and mortgage loans. Yeah. And made their loan bigger, guessing that their house was worth that.
Starting point is 00:52:30 but it's pretty obvious. The banks told them they were, though. Yeah. No, the banks told them they were, though, too. They said, we'll give you this money because that's worth it and you can afford it. I mean, you know, it's like, that's why people went to jail and shit. It was like, you know. And so he paid back the money that she obviously took out as a loan, which is very kind of him.
Starting point is 00:52:48 That's extremely kind. It's totally kind. Greg said he was the same old Abraham. He still bought discount clothes at Walmart, bought groceries at superfoods, swept up at the barbershop. fact, if he found a penny on the floor, he'd pick it up, telling me a bunch of those little pennies is what added up to his $17 million. No, that's not.
Starting point is 00:53:09 You could pick up pennies till you explode and you're not going to get $17 million. Less pennies fill your entire pool than make $17 million. Yeah, you could fill your pool with pennies. 30 times. You still couldn't pay your friend's mortgage, mom's mortgage off with it. I'll bet it's a thousand times. It has to be. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:32 Has to be. So, yeah, he puts the million dollars in the trust for his son or whatever it was for that. Million dollars to his stepdad, three step sisters, 250 grand each, paid off $185,000 mortgage for a friend of his. That's a lot. $60,000 of a mortgage he paid for a man whose last name he didn't even know. What? Just gave him sick. He had to ask what his last name was to write him the check.
Starting point is 00:54:00 Tom's sweating, man. What's your last name, Tom? Something. All right, great. He paid $53,000 of a mortgage for a man that was, quote, out of the neighborhood, some other guy that he knew. The detective said later, he was known just to give out handfuls of cash to homeless people. At grocery stores, he would buy groceries for, like, a single mother with children. He'd go, I got her shit.
Starting point is 00:54:25 That's amazing. That's great. That's beautiful. That's $150. bucks. That's the coolest shit. That's cool shit that you can easily do, won't bother you at all. That will literally change that person's entire month.
Starting point is 00:54:37 Like totally changed her month. Fixed so much. Yeah. One time, I remember it was a weird thing. We were having a good week and we did live shows and all this stuff. And we went to Denny's and we had like a $40 tab and I gave the waitress $100. And I said, you know what? Fucking keep it.
Starting point is 00:54:52 Yeah. I said, nah, keep it. I said, I've had a good way. You keep it. She cried tears and hugged me. It was $60. She said, you have no idea how this changes what my week is. And I was just like, oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:55:05 That's how, if you're on the edge, dude, that's anything can help. And, you know, that's what a lot of people that work in those positions are at. Every fucking day changes their life. I've been there a lot. They're working for tomorrow, not for next week, not for next year. No. They're literally working for tomorrow. Tomorrow morning's food.
Starting point is 00:55:27 Yeah. And I've been, I've worked jobs where this paycheck is going to fix my car so that I can get back to work next week. That's all it is. I work tons of those jobs. Yeah. Fuck yeah. That's, that's crazy. It's crazy.
Starting point is 00:55:41 It's so hard, man. It's so hard. Greg Thomas said, quote, he would even have parties and he would spend, he would suspend nets of cash up in the ceiling and make it rain down money like confetti. That is a frightening behavior. Very wasteful. Yeah. That's such frightening behavior. Wow.
Starting point is 00:56:00 Marissa Green, the reporter, said Abraham became the bank of the hood. So he would loan people in the community money with the verbal agreement, hey, you must pay me back. But then they never did. They don't have any money. That's why they're borrowing money from him. Chase Bank has billions. And the bank of Abe has $17 million. And that goes so fast.
Starting point is 00:56:21 It goes so fast. Yeah. And unless he's given them money to execute their work. well-thought-out business model. Yeah. That's going to pay back dividends upon the IPO, then sure. Then sure. How else are they ever going to have money above what they have to pay him back?
Starting point is 00:56:37 Where is that coming from? Seed money is seed money because it fucking grows. It grows. If you don't have anything growing, then what the fuck? You're fucked. April 2007, he gets sued. Yeah? By Michael Ford.
Starting point is 00:56:55 The guy that. bought the driver. You piece of shit, Michael. This piece of shit. He didn't even say I should get a cut because I bought it. He said it's mine. He said that Abraham stole the tickets from his wallet. That's what he said.
Starting point is 00:57:12 And he demanded at least a million dollars. Now, if someone stole it from your wallet, you'd say, I demand all $17 million. I want my $17 million. Just give me a million of it, though, even though you stole it from me. So Abraham was all fucked up about that. He said, no, I gave him the two tickets to buy, two dollars to buy me tickets. Five coworkers would come forward to support Abraham's version of events saying that Ford told them that Abraham paid for his own ticket back when it happened. Good.
Starting point is 00:57:41 So October 2007, this goes to trial. Wow. Yeah. He hires, Abraham hires a really, a really prominent attorney. And there's more money out the fucking window. There you go. This guy won a $240 million verdict against the Walt Disney Corporation. Okay.
Starting point is 00:58:01 High-powered. Abraham showed up at court carrying a garbage bag stuffed with thousands of lottery tickets that he purchased over the years. Like, I have pissed away so much goddamn money on lottery tickets. This is my MO. And I keep this bag to remind me how much of a loser I am. Imagine keeping thousands of non-winning lottery tickets. What are you doing? And even when he moved out of his house into his big house, he goes, bring the garbage also with you.
Starting point is 00:58:29 So he said that he's the type of person. He said, I can't count the people I gave money to, thousands of dollars. So the hundreds of thousands of dollars, A? Yeah. Yeah, that's totally right. Thousands and thousands of dollars. Millions, actually. He gave one person a million dollars.
Starting point is 00:58:47 Gave two. The jury deliberates for less than an hour before ruling in Abraham's favor. Yes, good. The attorney said that on both sides said the case turned on the testimony of the coworkers, all of whom testified that Ford initially told them he had purchased the tickets for Shakespeare and only later changed the story. So his attorney, this is the Michael Ford's attorney, said it boiled down to a question of who is the jury going to believe. Ford denied making those statements, but the witnesses didn't necessarily have a motive to lie.
Starting point is 00:59:18 So that was difficult to overcome. Yeah. I tried really hard to fuck this guy over on his own. I tried. But damn it, he was airtight, like a duck's asshole, this guy. He's got friends. Shit. And then his lawyer said that those people would have had to commit perjury, and they
Starting point is 00:59:34 didn't hardly know Abraham Shakespeare. So they wouldn't have lied for him. Just good people that are protecting a better person. Yeah, like, hey, that's fucked up. Yeah, this guy's a scumbag. His attorney said, I'm pleased that justice prevailed and that Mr. Shakespeare was found innocent. The lawsuit was about greed.
Starting point is 00:59:51 the plane if manufactured a story and a plan to try to take advantage of my client. Listen to Abraham afterwards. He doesn't say, fuck that guy. He says, I am mad with him. I don't hold it against him. If he only waited,
Starting point is 01:00:04 I could have given him $250,000 easily. So if he just said, if he would have come to me and asked me for $250,000, I just give it to him. Like, he didn't have to do all this shit. I mean, he's a sweet man.
Starting point is 01:00:18 He got to credit broke people. Broke people. man, people that come from nothing are the... Fuck, yes. They know what hurts and they know what feels nice. Yes. And what real help is. And Abe's been through.
Starting point is 01:00:31 Good for him to have such a big heart. Still, even... This guy tried to fucking extort you for a million dollars. A lot of people when they get a lot of money, even if it's an accident, even if they literally found it in a garbage can on the side of the road, they'd somehow think it's because they're smarter and better. That's how they got...
Starting point is 01:00:50 People have that thing. Well, I'm obviously better because I have a bunch of money, even if it was... How money equates to brains now? I don't have a fucking clue. The lot... Yes. That's what I'm saying. It's got to stop.
Starting point is 01:01:02 It's got a fucking stop. It's the Mr. show sketch where it's, you know... Oh, right. Yeah. Einstein, you know, not real smart. Fucking dumb. No money. He's broke.
Starting point is 01:01:11 He's a dummy. It's the same thing. It has no money. Yeah, you go, yeah, right, Einstein. That's what he says. That's what it is. Exactly. So, yeah, the Shakespeare family said they were very happy.
Starting point is 01:01:28 Abraham said, I want to be able to turn the phone off completely and not have to worry about any phone calls. My goal is to be able to wake up in the morning, get a fishing pole and go fish or go hunting or go golfing. I ain't never golf before. What's stopping you, egg? There you go. Get out there. Move away from the people who know you have money. You can help them from afar if you're close to them, but don't have.
Starting point is 01:01:50 have the people who you don't know coming up to you. Yeah. If you're your cousin or your mother or whatever, he needs a good friend that doesn't want his money and just wants to hang out with him because they like him. That's the thing. And they're hard to find here. Luckily for him,
Starting point is 01:02:03 he's going to find some women here. Oh, great. A woman named Darlene moves in with him, then moved out. And then a girl in her early 20s moved in. What did she wanted? Well, her name was Tori and Shakespeare never knew her last name. That's how much fun he's avid.
Starting point is 01:02:22 I can remember her by her taste. She's a 23-year-old. Her nipples are terrific. They're fabulous. That I do know, but I don't know her last name. They're the size of a nickel. I know that because I put nickels on them, and they went away. Gone.
Starting point is 01:02:38 Gone, but pert also. David Copperfield. Aerial is with nickels. Nichols. Gone. David Blender, right there. there. I went, pow, and they were just gone. And I went, street magic. And there they were.
Starting point is 01:02:54 Out of there. Ha. So, yeah, he said, quote, I wouldn't know that. We wasn't together. We wasn't too long. We wasn't too long got together. So, in other words, we're not very well. Enough to move in, but not enough to know her name.
Starting point is 01:03:14 She lived here a minute, but her last name. Who knows? Mail? Never any mail. An ex-girlfriend sued him for $5,000 saying he had given her a truck, then took it away from her. Also, the girl in her 20s claimed her baby was his and sued him for child support. Oh, that's easy. That's an easy one.
Starting point is 01:03:36 Former girlfriend said that he paid to have her breasts enlarged because he was, quote, enthused with it. That's how she put it. Tits. Shocking. Enthused. Infatuated. Enjoy his big tits. He was, quote, enthused with it.
Starting point is 01:03:54 He was like, hey, your tits look great. That's enthusiasm right there. He got me new tits because he's a man. Because he's a man. He got me new tits because his dick gets hard. That's why. She said that didn't keep him faithful, though. And she caught him with other women on, she caught him on his elaborate security system.
Starting point is 01:04:12 She caught him like on his own video. So. That is going to. be the thing, too, with a guy that probably hasn't gotten a lot of women in his life. And now he's got a windfall of cash, which absolutely brings a windfall of women. Brings a windfall of anybody. Of anything. That's what I mean.
Starting point is 01:04:29 He could be a hideous woman, and it wouldn't matter. Men would be all of a sudden find it very attractive. It's the same thing here. Money makes people seem more attractive for some reason. They're hot. They're so hot and smart. I love high pants and rebox. That gets me fucking soaked.
Starting point is 01:04:45 He's so smart. and off. Just so smart. So she said that women would go to the extreme to throw themselves at him. This girl followed us from Club Kathleen to Denny's waving a napkin with her number on it. Wow. He's like a celebrity or something. He's like Johnny Debt.
Starting point is 01:05:03 Yeah. Even his male friends helped him find girls. People just took advantage of him knowing that he didn't get that type of attention. God, I wish I was his best friend. I got to fix so much for this. Yeah, no, dude. Cut this shit. I know nothing about money.
Starting point is 01:05:18 Hire a guy about that, but I can fix the relationships. I can get people to fuck out of here. Yeah. Yeah. Hide your, don't let anyone know that you're rich. Pay me nothing. Pay me nothing. Oh, no, no, no. I don't even want a car. Just hang with me.
Starting point is 01:05:30 I don't swim in your pool, though. I want to watch this. So some of the women tried to steal from her and him. On one occasion, a female passenger stole two checks from his BMW, then tried to cash them in a check cashing store. Asshole. Asshole.
Starting point is 01:05:45 His mom, Elizabeth, said, that his life was miserable. He couldn't say no, he didn't get any peace. Yeah. And that's, he gets hundreds of phone calls a day. Hundreds. Imagine your phone ringing hundreds of times a day. He can get a piece.
Starting point is 01:06:00 He just can't get peace. Yeah, he can get plenty of pieces. In 2007, he was stopped by police five times for everything from driving without a license to not wearing a seatbelt. He was twice sent to jail for those infractions. Get a license. and put your seatbelt on. You have too much money to sit in jail.
Starting point is 01:06:19 That's crazy. Is that cops knowing who he is and hoping for a bribe? I'm not sure. A bribe. Yeah, I don't know what that is. What is that? How dare you? Honest Johnny Law, taking care of a problem.
Starting point is 01:06:32 I think it's maybe one of those things. I make $33,000 a year. How dare you walk around acting? Like, look at you in your BMW. I think maybe that's it. Or maybe he's driving with no fucking seatbelt and no goddamn driver's license. They know he doesn't have a license. So when they see him, they pull him over and go,
Starting point is 01:06:45 Get a license yet? No? Yeah. Out of the car, stupid. Maybe that's what it is, too. I was driving next to you. I noticed you don't have a seatbelt on. Now let's have a look at your license.
Starting point is 01:06:54 That's probably what it is. That's possible, too. We don't know. It's a small town in Florida. Really, anything's possible. It could be legit. It could be that, you know, he wasn't properly porch picking. You know, and they took him in for that.
Starting point is 01:07:09 There is that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You never know. His cornbread and his chicken might not have been up to par. You may only have one of each. We're not sure. Sure, yeah. So Centoria Butler is the one he has Jeremiah with. That's a woman he has Jeremiah with. Met him at a bar through his cousin. And they had a lot of arguments and fights. And I think that's the flurry of restraining orders. If I'm not mistaken, it's possible.
Starting point is 01:07:32 I think you, right. So he kept talking about hangers on. He started to get frustrated, people exploiting him. He would tell people at one point, quote, I'd have been better off broke. All these people. on his money from me. Yeah. He changed his phone number multiple times because he couldn't get away from people. These requests never fucking stopped. They never stopped. They just kept coming and coming and common and common. People would wait outside his mother's house hoping to catch him leaving her house.
Starting point is 01:08:02 Yeah. Hanging out outside there. Like they're, you know, recruiting him for college football. Hey, hey, you're going to come to state? Where are you going? We just got your boy to sign up. You're going to sign up with him? It's your pal.
Starting point is 01:08:14 Hey, come on. Yeah. Let's do it. They sent letters to him. People would send letters from prison. Inmates around the country who somehow figured out that he was a rich guy giving money away. And he gave them some money, too. He would send them money.
Starting point is 01:08:29 Marissa Green, the reporter, said he told me he had to change his cellular number several times because people were pestering him for money. He also told me how people would wait for him outside his mother's home, hoping to catch a glimpse or catch him. He started telling people the lottery was a curse. his brother Robert said that he told me all the time I'd have been better off broke he said that to me all the time he told a childhood friend
Starting point is 01:08:53 I thought all these people were my friends but then I realized all they wanted is just money right yeah he even would go hang out at Greg Smith's barbershop all the time just to get away from shit because people didn't know to find him there
Starting point is 01:09:05 and that was shit life was normal there it was a barbershop where he had Madden tournaments all the time and shit so that's a place you hang out and everybody can be cool and late 2008, he is down to $3.5 million.
Starting point is 01:09:22 What? He has $3.5 million left by late 2008. Well, you already won at 2005? 2006. Oh, dear Jesus. Yes. In two years. $14 million?
Starting point is 01:09:34 It was November of 2006. So in two years, he... $14. About $13.5 million. $1 million. Yep. Which is crazy. Enter someone who's going to help out.
Starting point is 01:09:46 You know that friend you've been talking about? Oh, God, it's so good. That he needs. Well, someone comes in that's going to help him out here. Oh, thank God. This is Doris Emma Donagan-More. She goes by Dedey. Dedy's born July 25th, 1972.
Starting point is 01:10:02 When she meets him in October 2008, she's the owner of American medical professionals, which is a nurse staffing agency that has large contracts. And she seems very successful. One person said, Dedey Moore was a local businesswoman. She had actually owned a pretty successful nurse staffing business and had some pretty large contracts and was doing financially well. She pulled no punches on the type of lifestyle that she lived. She went on lavish vacations to Las Vegas. So she's used to having cash.
Starting point is 01:10:33 That's good. Yeah, she's a person who knows how to manage money and knows how to help him. Now, there was a small business conference in Kissimmee in November 2008, and that's when Didi met. Barbara Jackson, who was the realtor who sold Abraham his house. Oh. Okay. Now, Jackson said when I met her, she was in a wheelchair. She said that she had been in a car accident.
Starting point is 01:10:57 She wheeled up right beside me. This deedy was a part of a group of people that Jackson told about Abraham and how he changed her views about money, saying, quote, it's not about money at all. It's about helping people. She was looking at what he was doing as a positive, even though he's going to have to go back of being a truck driver one of these days. That's, yeah. Assistant. Truck driver's assistant.
Starting point is 01:11:19 Assistant because he still doesn't have a license. And he's not going to be able to pay his property taxes one of these days. That's coming so soon. On a giant house like that, I guarantee you they're pretty high. Yeah. So she said that Barbara couldn't believe it when D.D. pulled up to the Red Lobster in Lakeland and bounded out of her SUV just a few weeks later. Oh.
Starting point is 01:11:39 Bounded out wearing a snazzy dress and high heels. So she went from a wheelchair to wear it heels. Well, listen, those cheddar bay biscuits will get you doing backflips out of a car. You know what? She wanted to pick out her own lobster really bad. So Barbara and Dedey had met less than two weeks earlier at the conference, and Dedy had been in a wheelchair and seeming to be in a lot of pain and everything else.
Starting point is 01:12:02 So Barbara didn't expect to see her looking so. Yeah, surprise. Yeah. She said scuba therapy was how she explained her recovery. Uh-huh. Did scuba therapy? You got to get that gravity off your ankles and then all of a sudden you can do all kinds of shit. Shit gets so much easier.
Starting point is 01:12:20 You have many push-ups I can do at the bottom of a pool, James? Until you can't breathe anymore. I'm going to come up for air before I'm done. But it's not because your arms are sore. No. No, it's just because you're going to die because you might drown. So, Dini told Barbara, I need to meet this man. I'm a writer and I would love to tell his story in a magazine article.
Starting point is 01:12:43 maybe even a book. Yeah. So she arranged for Dede to meet Abraham Shakespeare. Great. They was introduced through the realtor. And she said, I want to write a book about you. It's a rags to riches story, a cautionary ending. And, you know, he said that he was fine with this.
Starting point is 01:13:02 He goes, oh, someone who doesn't want money from me. Yeah. Rags to rags with riches is what he is. Rags to Rags to Rags again. Yeah. So she was a successful businesswoman, and she wasn't asking for any money. She's offering to help out. She wants to tell his story. So he's like, I like having her around. So within weeks of this meeting, D.D. is basically his financial advisor.
Starting point is 01:13:25 Oh, God damn it. She told him she could help him manage his money, collect on debts people owed him, and protect his assets from the parade of people trying to take advantage of him, which is exactly what he needs. Totally needs, yeah. But you need somebody who's a financial advisor who has, like, fiduciary responsibility to do that. Somebody that doesn't. Eat it red lobster. Yes. Well, you can eat it red lobster. That's fine.
Starting point is 01:13:47 No, you can't. Not if you're going to fucking deal with my money. I don't mind if you have some cheddar bay biscuits in an English shrimp basket. I need you to identify with better food. If I'll eat that crap, you're going to eat it too. Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm not saying I'm above it. I'm saying I need my money guy to be financially above red lobster.
Starting point is 01:14:06 Really? I think so. If I've got money, money, yeah. Yeah, but I want a guy who knows to be frugal enough to. go to Red Lobster even if you're rich. Not that Red Lobster's cheap, but it's not. I need a guy that's so filthy rich that my rich isn't even, it's Nichols. I don't like that.
Starting point is 01:14:25 I want that guy. I feel like I want that guy. I feel like I want the opposite. I want a guy who's sweating going, Jesus, I don't want to fuck up this money. Oh my God. That's what I want. I don't want like Bernie Madoff who's like doing great. I'm like, I don't worry about it.
Starting point is 01:14:36 We'll get, you know. Maybe one of those. He's got a guy making him. some crab cakes. But he's killing the blue crabs on your countertop. Yeah. Totally. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:14:49 I want a guy that's just wearing like that green visor that accountants wore in the old days. And they're like, like just sweating. Oh, God. Jesus, I don't want to fuck this up. Praying to God for that one day a year that he gets to eat at Red Lobster. He's like, yeah, yeah. Bring me another basket of shrimp. That's great.
Starting point is 01:15:03 Yeah, yeah. I got to work on this. I'm going to need some more shrimp for fuel to work on this. That's what I want. A shrimp fuel fuel. I just want a guy that looks at my money and goes, you think you're rich. How dare you?
Starting point is 01:15:13 And I want to be like Jimmy Rich. So it's crazy. That's funny. One of his friends here, Greg Massey, said she was very educational. She's a nice looking woman, very attractive, business-oriented, business sense. So she knew how to conduct and handle herself. She had approached Abraham Shakespeare about a year earlier and said that she wanted to write a book about him winning the Florida lottery. She studied Abraham.
Starting point is 01:15:40 And she knew what he wanted and what she felt he. might want. So she knew exactly how to maneuver herself directly and it was life. Okay. Okay. So by the way, in the newspaper, she's described as D.D. Moore, a heavy set, bleach blonde woman with a criminal record. That's how much for attractive. She goes, people will say they don't recognize her from like three weeks later. Like she's tall. She's like six feet tall. And people will say, oh, she's like very attractive. and then they'll see her like a month later and go, she didn't even look like the same person. She, like, looks totally different.
Starting point is 01:16:17 It's weird. That's frightening. What's Dee Dee's history here? Who the fuck is this lady? Why is she such a chameleon? She's born in Tampa. Her parents are Linda and Patrick Donagan, which sounds very Irish.
Starting point is 01:16:30 She grew up in a small house on a street named Happy Acres Lane in Riverview, Florida. Then they moved to Plant City when she was seven years old. Linda, her mother, recalls her daughter as gleeful and normal. She was a, you know, did Girl Scouts and Brownie troop and all that shit. She was involved in a Bible study group called the missionettes and regularly attended church every Wednesday and Sunday growing up. At her elementary school and high school, she was a cheerleader. She joined the ROTC. She's got a lot of energy.
Starting point is 01:17:06 When she went to Plant City High School, she was very aware of class division. She didn't have a lot of money, and some people did. Oh, okay. She's got the East, that East Sport bag, not the Jan Sport bag. No Jan Sport. No, she's got a June sport. It's a totally different bag. She's not quite aware of it.
Starting point is 01:17:23 No, no. We know where you got that. We get that. Yeah, that was at definitely the dollar store there. So she was so aware of this, she would insist that her parents drop her off a block away from friends' houses or any other thing because she was embarrassed because they didn't have a nice car. Okay. That's just, which is great.
Starting point is 01:17:43 My father would have backhanded me if I said that. Hey, dad, drop me off a week. He would have said, I'll drop you off right here. Fuck you. Walk it if it's my car. Yeah, two miles to go. Get out and walk, asshole. That's my dad would say exactly.
Starting point is 01:17:53 You go, hey, it's fucking that way. Enjoy. This truck ain't good enough for you, huh? Not good enough for you? Enjoy, asshole. There you go. All right, I guess. Hope you get blisters.
Starting point is 01:18:03 Fuck off. Yeah. Don't get kidnapped. Watch up for the white vans. Hey, get out of here. So, anyway, she wanted fashionable things. She wanted clothes and cars and luxuries that her parents couldn't afford here. Her mother was a nursing assistant.
Starting point is 01:18:24 Her father was an air conditioning repairman. So they do. They make a living, but they're not, you know, they don't have fancy shit that she wants. They're going to eat, but they'll never be rich. That's fine. There's nothing wrong with that. That's nothing wrong with that at all. It's our whole families.
Starting point is 01:18:38 Holy fuck. We didn't have much money, is what Linda said. So that's why. Now, after high school, Dedey earned her certification as a nursing assistant, like her mother, and she goes to work. She's, everyone said she's good at her job, kind to her patients, especially the developmentally disabled. Oh. She's good with them. She marries James Moore in 1992.
Starting point is 01:19:00 He does like excavation. He has an excavation business. Sick. Yeah. Stuff like that. That's cash money, babe. Yeah, he doesn't make tons of cash money. No?
Starting point is 01:19:10 No, but he's got his, no, it's a tough going for some reason. Maybe he's bad with money. We don't know. We have no idea. Yeah, he might not be a great businessman. Who knows? Or he might be doing great. We don't know.
Starting point is 01:19:22 But this is right before she turns 20, she marries this guy, James Moore. He's described as a stocky, dark-haired man who worked with his father in the excavation business running heavy equipment. Yeah, he's making a salary. His dad has the money. That makes sense. Later on, I think he'll end up doing his own thing. They lived on a trailer on his parents' property.
Starting point is 01:19:42 Yep. Two and a half years later, they have a son named RJ, who we'll talk about. He'll come up a lot later. In 1995, she's 22 years old and she's driving a Hummer. I don't know, she must have figured out how to save up. 1999? Five. 1999 is when H-1's first came out.
Starting point is 01:20:02 Yeah, I was going to say the general public couldn't even get those until around then. It was like Arnold Schwarzenegger is the only other person. on earth driving this car that wasn't on a mission. I think true lies made them popular. I think it was too. What the hell is that thing? What is that thing? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:20:17 She was driving on State Road 33 late in the evening and a Pontiac Sunfire. Yeah. Speaking of Tiny Pontiac, you mentioned the Sunfire earlier. How weird is that? Yeah. How often does that come up? Yeah. Strange.
Starting point is 01:20:30 This is in Florida. Pontiac Sunfire did what? Is it Casey Anthony? It's on brand. Yeah, no, no, no. I kind of wish it was, but it crossed the center line and crashed into her head. Oh, whoever's driving that so fucking dead. They're dead.
Starting point is 01:20:43 Well, it was a woman around Diti's age died. Yeah, 17-year-old driver died the next day. Oh, Jesus. Dedy was briefly hospitalized, but she was driving a tank, so she was pretty much fine. Yeah, she's driving a fucking house down the road. When that happened, she said, did I hit something? Yeah. She started looking, was that?
Starting point is 01:21:03 A lot of fucking mosquitoes out here. Yeah, this is wild. So she's a little bit strange. They said that years to come, her mother would sometimes wonder if Didi's erratic behavior was the result of an undetected brain injury suffered that night. They think she must have like, if someone does shit that's so weird, you're like, do you have a tumor? That's real weird. You know, any headaches going on? Anything all the time.
Starting point is 01:21:29 Like a persistent. She was looking, she's looking for ways to make money. One thing, she is not lazy. And she will hustle. Yeah? Yeah. She also, she's doing her certified nursing assistant work. She began selling prepaid phones and calling plans for a wireless company as well.
Starting point is 01:21:47 And it was based on commission, so she was doing well. And she could buy all the nice things she wanted based on that because she's making extra money now. In 2004, she, on a friend of hers, incorporated a business called All About Cellular. And her friend Karen was listed as president. she was vice president. But the, I guess they, the book here says the partnership with the DeSalvo's, those people, stalled when Didi became preoccupied with opening a new Arcadia Healthcare branch in Plant City, having convinced her bosses that the town was an untapped gold mine. Now, according to her business partner there, the president of her company, Didi hadn't been at the new location long before staff began noticing a spike in. spending.
Starting point is 01:22:38 An internal investigation revealed that Didi, who had checkwriting authority, had skimmed $60,000 off the payroll. She's embezzling money already. So Karen told the detectives that basically the internal probe showed that Didi padded checks to some employees and collected the difference between what the workers were really owed and the higher check amount, sometimes splitting this with the employees. She had a big scam going. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:23:04 So they said just as Arcadia was beginning. legal action against Dedi, the Plant City branch burned down. Really? But only the files were lost. What year was this? 2000 or 90 something. Right around the time that office space came out? Something like that, yeah.
Starting point is 01:23:23 Kind of probably, yeah. She had a penny scam going on. Yeah. So it burned down, only the files, expensive equipment had just happened to be moved to a neighboring business, and then it burned down. Just paper, yeah. According to Karen, eventually Didi and Arcadia settled for a $25,000 out-of-court deal, but Karen suspected that Didi never paid it.
Starting point is 01:23:45 This is her dad, Patrick's take, Didi's dad. She tells the fibbiest fibs. What do you mean? She's a liar. The fibbiest fibs, the lyingest lies. And dad corroborates them or dad lets you know. The shittiest bullshit. He said that.
Starting point is 01:24:01 She tells the fibbiest fibs. My daughter's a goddamn liar. Yeah. Oh, boy. He recalled the fire at the plant, noting that no one had been hurt and that everything of real use and value to Dedey had been spared. A blessing he found strange. Strange luck you have there, Dedy. Convenient is another word.
Starting point is 01:24:18 Suspicious is another one. That's, hey, multiple words here. Borderline criminal is another one. Yeah, there's another one. Sometimes I shake my head, he said, about his daughter. 1999, she's 27. She's charged with shoplifting in Pulk County. Okay.
Starting point is 01:24:36 She got probation. Two years later, her husband, James and she, the two of them, fell behind on their rent for a house they were leasing. Dedi told her landlords that someone was after her and that she had found a blazing, quote, warning sign on her front porch. Oh, finally? I don't know. I have no idea. Despite this tale of woe, the Moore family was eventually evicted. Later that year, she was arrested for writing a bad check for $480.
Starting point is 01:25:05 to the Hillsborough County tax collector. Don't write bad checks to the tax collector. Go down to learners and write a bad check for some weird outfit. I'm trying to think of a woman's store in the 90s. Fucking anywhere other than the tax people. Not the tax people. They will get that money. She was sentenced to probation and fine for the bad check but served no jail time.
Starting point is 01:25:28 2001. There's a credit union that financed her $50,000 Lincoln Navigator. She has a navvigator. 50 grand. Yeah, I guess that's what they were back. 2001, yeah, 25 years ago, for Christ's sake. They were threatening repossession after several missed payments. Holy.
Starting point is 01:25:45 Okay. She tried to do a bunch of excuses. They said no, basically. So she told the loan announcer who called about a repossession that she would do anything I have to to keep this car. I will do what I have to. Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 01:26:01 A few days later, a motorist. in Wemama, a little town about 40 miles away from Plant City, found a disheveled and distraught woman alongside a country road in a ditch with her wrists bound. Oh my God. He took her to the police where she reported that three clean-cut tattooed Hispanic men had abducted and raped her at gunpoint. She told the fucking, what's her name? Gone girl.
Starting point is 01:26:30 Panini. Yeah. Panini. Pippini. I think her name is Fanini. Papini. Papini. This lady's crazy.
Starting point is 01:26:37 This lady's crazy. I don't know. Panini or something. I want to pepper under Papani right now. Anybody got on? Papini. So, they had abducted her and raped her at gunpoint. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:26:48 And thrown her into a ditch and stolen her Lincoln Navigator. Oh, no. Terrible. She fucking loves a big car. Loves a truck, yeah. God, damn. She said her quote was to the police, the one in the back finally made the decision
Starting point is 01:27:03 not to kill me, but said he better never see me again and to dye my hair blonde. So then you look better. You should, I'd like to see you blonde next time. So she broke down crying in front of the investigators and said, if I describe that, I'm going to start crying and throwing up again. They had sex with me and it hurt. So the Hillsborough County is looking for a stolen vehicle to try to catch the. these horrible fucking carjacking rapists.
Starting point is 01:27:36 This is terrifying. The Tampa Bay Times later reported, detectives took her pink sweater, blue jeans, bra, underwear, and fingernail scrapings into evidence. They would soon learn from a next tell representative that Moore had been banned from selling the phone company's products due to an internal fraud investigation.
Starting point is 01:27:54 A few days later, a man in a neighboring county called police to say that he'd seen Dedi's story on the local news, and he said, the navigators in my garage. That's where it is. He said another man drove it into my garage. Yeah. And a second man later confessed to being the driver telling police that Dedi had told him she wanted to frame a former coworker at the cell phone company who had snitched on her and gotten her banned from selling the products.
Starting point is 01:28:20 And that guy said, yeah, sounds good. And then saw her on the news talking about three Hispanic guys raped me. And he's like, well, that's not true at all. And if they find this in my garage, they're going to think I raped her. Then I look like a bad rapist, as opposed to an upstanding rapist. That's awesome. I assume they took her fingernail scrapings and just compared it to Warren Sapp and we're like, doesn't match. Doesn't match.
Starting point is 01:28:45 It's not him. James Winston was too young. It's the only one we can find around here that's real bad. He got accusations. We don't know if they're true. Yeah, I don't know. It's true. No idea.
Starting point is 01:28:56 Or Warren Sapp, for that matter. So then a third man told the police that he was the one who drove Didi out to Wimama so that someone could discover her bound and gagged. He said Didi taped her own wrists and spotting a ditch along the road, ordered him to slow down and then threw herself from the SUV. What are you talking about? Taped her own wrist and that said, I'm out. Come out. Like a fish jumping out of the car. Like a fish jumping out of the boat at that point.
Starting point is 01:29:28 I'll holler at you when the coast is clear. You're just like, what the fuck? Hey, where'd she go? What a crazy. This is crazy. Now, so she gets busted for all this. Yeah. Faking police reports and everything like that.
Starting point is 01:29:44 She gets a year of probation again. Wow. And loses her navigator. She did have to. She should be in so much trouble for that. That's a lot. Yeah, you sent, wow. And I want to pay back all that.
Starting point is 01:29:56 There it is. There it is. Yeah. For investigating all this and everything else and tests on her fingernail scraping. It's all a lie. So she files for bankruptcy in 2002. It's got all sorts of shit here. 2006, a husband and wife accused Dedi of stealing $60,000 that they had given her to deposit into a payroll account for a new business.
Starting point is 01:30:18 She'd helped them set up. The wife had worked for American medical professionals, the staffing agency that she had incorporated earlier that year. Didi admitted that she had not made the deposit but claimed the money had been hers to keep. Okay. And they closed that case for lack of evidence. So she's got $60,000 allegedly. Yeah, alleged. We don't know.
Starting point is 01:30:40 At least two businesses filed civil lawsuits against her. One for $3,600 in back office rent, another for $20,700 in unpaid radio advertising. She has got a lot of. My God. And it's just a little bit here, a little bit. a little bit here, a little bit there. Yep. But it all adds up to about 60 grand, and then she has a Lincoln.
Starting point is 01:31:01 And then she's got a Lincoln. But she doesn't even own it. That she's diving out of. Yeah, I don't own Lincoln that she's diving out of. Now, this is the person in this exact state is when she meets Abraham. Wow. So he is like a big, just a big honey pot sitting there with the flies are just hovering around. So January 2, 2009, she transfers 246,4,493.
Starting point is 01:31:26 from Abraham's Bank of America account into her company American medical professionals. January 9th, 2009, the ownership of his $1.1 million mansion is transferred to her company as well. No. Yeah. Shakespeare trusted her and her company bought properties he owned, so they would be, this is a way to protect his assets. Put it in a trust. Trust is me, yeah. Trust is my company.
Starting point is 01:31:56 Right. January 15, 2009, Abraham signs an assets purchase agreement giving Didi the right to collect on his outstanding loans. Oh, fuck. In exchange, she allegedly pays him $185,000, which later on will be said that was money that originally had been his anyway. So he gave that to her and then she gave that back to him. Yeah. According to the prosecutor later on, she paid him. eight cents on the dollar for what was owed to him. Jesus.
Starting point is 01:32:30 Wow. He said, so for your investment of $185,000, you're receiving on paper $3.5 million. So you're spending a nickel for every dollar of debt that is owed to Abraham Shakespeare. Okay. February 2009, Didi and Abraham form Abraham Shakespeare LLC. Yeah. The company lists Didi Moore, Abraham Shakespeare, and their mutual friend Judy Higgins as officers. Dede is the only one with access to the bank accounts, though.
Starting point is 01:32:59 Oh, boy. This is crazy. She went to the bank with Abraham to open the LLC account. It is called Abraham Shakespeare LLC. You shouldn't do that, right? It should be a wild name. It should never be your name LLC. It would be a lot easier to find you that way, a lot easier, which is not good if you're
Starting point is 01:33:16 looking for people who are trying to extract money. They're trying to hide from people. Right. Exactly. You name it. What was the Letterman's company? Something pants. Yeah, worldwide pants.
Starting point is 01:33:24 My pants. That's what you do. Whatever. Yeah. Ridiculous. We have a ridiculous company. Fuzzy door or whatever. Whatever.
Starting point is 01:33:30 Yeah. So after Abraham leaves the bank, Dedey pretend she's leaving two, then goes back inside and tells the branch manager, Doug Hancock, not to give Abraham access to any of that money. Oh. So he said, this is Hancock guy, said, yeah, she said that she pops back in my office, says, don't give him any money. She said he would waste it, he said. A few days later, he learned that Didi had given herself sole authority to write checks by showing the bank minutes of an Abraham Shakespeare LLC, quote, board meeting that gave her that power. So she wrote down like minutes of a meeting and then went in and said, see, we had this meeting.
Starting point is 01:34:11 So that means I'm the only got person who can write checks now. It's interesting. The document listed her as the only attendee at the board meeting also. So she took minutes of herself deciding to take money. money. With herself. She's just having a conversation with herself. Jesus.
Starting point is 01:34:29 And keeping minutes of it, too. Oh, then I told myself this. I can't forget that part. So that guy from the bank said, I was on the golf course when I was told that she had asked for a $250,000 cashier's check. That money disappeared very rapidly. Oh, boy. She later provided the, that's so wild. Fake meeting minutes are so funny.
Starting point is 01:34:51 And a quarter million dollar check. There's not a lot of those. You only have, based on math alone, fucking 12 of them. You got about 13 left right now, or 14 left at this point. So he said that D.D. called, this is the bank guy, called him later, quote, almost hysterical saying Abraham was trying to kill her over how she handled the money. He said she then came to present him, the bank guy, with a check for $20,000, as a quote, thank you for keeping Abraham away from the money. And he's like, whoa. 20 grand to the bank employee for his pocket.
Starting point is 01:35:30 Like he's been doing, he said he immediately turned it over to bank security. Yeah, I can't take, you can't take bribes on the side. That's crazy. He's a legitimate guy. February 11, 2009, a check for $1,095,000 from Abraham's prudential annuities account is deposited into the Abraham Shakespeare LLC account at Bank of America. D.D. is the only one who can access it. Oh, boy. Doing math at home, there's only nine left.
Starting point is 01:35:57 That's right. February 18th, a week later, two cashier's checks totaling $500,000 are drawn from the Abraham Shakespeare LLC account. The money goes into accounts controlled by Dede's boyfriend, Schar Krasnicki, Schar Krasnicki, who's like 24 years old and we'll talk about him in a little while. And now there's seven. Oh, Jesus. Three days later, she purchases a 2008 Corvette for her boyfriend at $70,390.86. A brand new one. Oh, yeah. No, not a used one. Oh, here's a, you know, a 75 you can tinker out in the garage and fucking turn some wrenches on.
Starting point is 01:36:37 A 2007 was 70 grand? 70 grand. That thing's like 20 grand today. That thing's worthless. Yeah, yeah, definitely. So this is paid with a cash. Yeah, that's not going to be worth that. That's not a collector.
Starting point is 01:36:50 cashier's check from American medical professionals. Oh, boy. All right. March 2nd, 2009, D.D. purchases a 2009 Hummer for about $90,000 for herself as well. Within 90 days of gaining Abraham's trust, she basically took control of everything. His cash, his house, his deaths, you name it. Buying herself cars. And her boyfriend cars.
Starting point is 01:37:15 And her boyfriend. A piece of shit. Wow. According to Polk County Records, these five, $170,000 still owed to Abraham by various people. More than two-thirds was now owed to American medical professionals, meaning Didi was collecting debts in Abraham's name while he couldn't even access his own money. April 6th, 2009, there's a video made by D.D. Moore where she's just talking to him. And she said, you getting tired of people asking you for money all the time, and it's unintelligible.
Starting point is 01:37:47 So I assume it's something like that. I don't bet. D.D. said, give me your opinion on it. And he said, a year ago, and she said, you're just ready to start living your life, huh? So where do you want to go? And he said, it don't matter to me. I'm not a picky person. And she said, well, how do you like, are you going to miss your home?
Starting point is 01:38:07 And he said, yep, I miss it, but life goes on. Okay. Okay. April 2009. All right. This is after the first week of April, 2009. James Moore, who is her excavator landscaper, his husband at this point. Ex-husband, right.
Starting point is 01:38:25 Yeah. They got divorced, didn't get divorced until 2009, I think, too. This is like when they're getting divorced. But they remained in contact. They have kids and all that. She said, hey, can you do me a favor, James, since you have all this excavation and landscaping equipment. I need a hole, Doug, in the backyard of a property that I purchased. Remember the boyfriend purchased?
Starting point is 01:38:47 It's on State Road 60 in Plant City. I won't give the address. The property was technically in her boyfriend's name, Sharr, but she controlled it because she controls everything. Sure. She told James that the hole, she needs a hole dug to dump a concrete rubble and trash and debris left over from house renovations. We're just going to bury it in a hole and then put a big concrete slab over it that you can like, you know. Yeah, you generally rent a roll off, fill it up, and have them take that shit away. Not in rural Florida.
Starting point is 01:39:18 In rural Florida, we dig below the water table and toss it in. It goes right out to the sea. It's no problem. It'll sink. That shit's in Haiti before you know it. Don't worry about it. Oh, boy. We've read tons of these things of like rural areas where they do this.
Starting point is 01:39:36 They just very large amounts of garbage. Out of side out of mind, man. That's it. So James drove over with his front end loader and he dug the hole. Yeah. He thought it was about nine or ten feet. deep, which he thought was too deep for construction. That's a big hole.
Starting point is 01:39:51 Yeah. But she said, I need a lot. I got a lot of shit. You got to dig it deep. So he just did it. He didn't ask any questions. He was married to this lady. He knows, don't ask questions.
Starting point is 01:39:58 Don't ask her shit. She stood by and watched until she said, okay, that's deep enough. Then he went home. A few hours later, she called him back again. So, hey, could you come back and fill that hole in for me? Oh. Yeah. So he returned.
Starting point is 01:40:14 It was dark outside. It's in the middle of nowhere. surrounded by trees. There's no light. So he couldn't see shit in the hole, basically. He just assumed, I'm burying rubble. Sure. So he got in the front loader, pushed the dirt back into the hole.
Starting point is 01:40:28 She gave him $200 for doing this. He went home. Yeah. That's all. He said, quote, I never saw anything in the hole, never realized what I just buried. Would he just buried?
Starting point is 01:40:39 That's what he said. So a few days later, she hired a concrete contractor to come out and pour a 30-foot-by-30-foot concrete slab over this area. What's she building 30 by 30? She said she wanted a solid pad to park her boat and vehicles on, like a patch of driveway, essentially.
Starting point is 01:40:58 Now, it's around the same time when no one sees Abraham hanging around anymore. Where's Abraham? No one can find him, which is a lot of people looking for him. A lot of, they're always looking for him for money and they can't find him. People start asking where he was. So they all go to Didi because Didi's been, you know, basically. basically his right hand for all this time. And she's got answers.
Starting point is 01:41:20 She says, oh, I know where he is. The only problem is she tells a whole shitload of different reasons why he's not around to a whole shitload of different people. Oh, really? When any two of those people talk, they go, wait a second. She said it was in Disneyland. Yeah. Well, she said, Disney World. No?
Starting point is 01:41:38 Damn it. It's only an hour away. Yeah. She said that he fled to Texas to get away. That he went to Jamaica. told another person Puerto Rico told a person
Starting point is 01:41:51 that he was in Orlando one that he's on a long cruise the vacations are getting better from Texas to a long cruise this is much better it's about to get less fun he was helping people in Haiti after the earthquake he's such a nice guy
Starting point is 01:42:06 you know Abraham he was sick in the hospital he told other people that she told other people that he contracted AIDS I mean Haiti It's not a stretch. Yeah. Well, this is separate people from the Haiti earthquake thing.
Starting point is 01:42:22 Okay. This is all different. He's just now got AIDS. Now he's got AIDS. He told other people that she told other people he developed a drug problem and who knows where he is. Yeah. She also said that he was tired of people asking him for money. So he asked her to help him disappear for a while.
Starting point is 01:42:41 Okay. So people end up getting text messages from him. Oh. He'll be like, listen, I'll tell him you're looking for him and he'll get a hold of you. So over here, losing all my weight. That's it. This is one of the detectives. He said, now they've got messages from him or they've heard that he was in Jamaica.
Starting point is 01:42:57 They've heard he's in Orlando. They've heard he went to the Cayman Islands. They've heard he's in Cozumel, Mexico. And then we learned that every bit of these rumors or what have you, it all goes back to D.D. Moore. All this information has come from D.D. more. Okay. So Abraham's friends and family were receiving text.
Starting point is 01:43:15 messages from his phone like, I'm okay and I'll call you in a little while. Yeah. The strange part about it is... Never called. No, some of these have very, they have big words and correct spelling and grammar. Couldn't be. Not my guy. Not my guy.
Starting point is 01:43:33 My guy does not type out like this. No. Not a thing. So Greg Smith, his friend, the barber, said, I called Abraham. Man called me and he wasn't calling about, never called me back. But then I got this text. I'll call you in a little while.
Starting point is 01:43:50 So I'm looking at the text and I'm like, something right here. He said Abraham has a seventh grade. I don't even know. I just feel he can't text. No. He can't call you in a little while. No.
Starting point is 01:44:03 He's been friends of them. He never fucking texted him before. Why is he texting now? And he's never told me call you in a little while. Those are some awfully big words for my guy. That's a little while. That W.H. That'll throw you.
Starting point is 01:44:17 That'll throw you. And maybe he just invested a big chunk and hooked on phonics. And that's what he's into now. He got both the T's in a little. Sometimes it's A, D. Sometimes it's two D's. We don't know. So D.D. in the meantime moves into his mansion.
Starting point is 01:44:33 Yeah? Oh, yeah. One of the detectives said one thing that really caught their attention was that Abraham Shakespeare obviously was nowhere to be found and that D.D. Moore had actually moved into his home. Yeah. She emptied it out like all his personal belongings, basically trying to wipe his existence out of the home and make it her home. She moves her son in there, her boyfriend. Yeah, she totally just moved in like it was nothing like he never existed.
Starting point is 01:44:59 Hmm. Okay. So he, D.D. then starts getting close to Elizabeth. His mom. Abraham's mom. Yeah. She would take Abraham's mom to dinner. She would also act like she was talking to Abraham on the phone.
Starting point is 01:45:17 Like, oh, yeah, no, I just talked to him. And, yeah, we were talking on the phone. Yeah. And she took mom to theme parks and stuff like that. Let's go to Disney. That's what an old lady likes to do. Go to Disney World. Keep her busy.
Starting point is 01:45:30 Yeah, that's what it is. So finally, November 9th, 2009, no one has seen him since April 6th. Eight months? Basically, yeah, seven, eight months. He's finally reported missing because everyone thought he was just, she was telling them he was fine. He's doing this. He's doing that. Finally, a cousin of his, Cedric Edmondson, says, I've had about enough of this. I'm reporting him missing. Eight months in the win, but I guess if you've got millions, you can do that. Yeah, he can say he's torn the world. He's learning how to spearfish in fucking Bali. Who knows? I mean, you can say anything. So he files a missing person's report with the Polk County Sheriff's Office. He told them he hadn't seen Abraham's. early April.
Starting point is 01:46:12 And the only contact. They don't know that he only has 3.5 left either. I'm sure they don't know his exact financial dealings. Yeah, probably not. And the only contact anyone had with him was through D.D. Moore. So one person said, I want to say like about two or three months that Abraham had been missing before the report was made that he was now a missing person. It was actually seven.
Starting point is 01:46:34 The missing person's report on Abraham Shakespeare came out from the Polk County Sheriff's Office. That's where we learned that he was a fiction. missing. There's posters up looking for him. Six-five, 190, black hair, brown eyes, $5,000 reward. There's posters hanging up at the Super Choice Meat Market, which is one of Shakespeare's regular hangouts. Is that a bar? No. It's an actual meat market? It's an actual meat market. The super choice. He just hangs out there. I don't know if that's so he can buy shit for single mothers. Or what?
Starting point is 01:47:09 I don't know. But they have signs up saying we need tips. They said it's a suspicious disappearance. And he's possibly been killed. They said, we want information leading to us to Abraham dead or alive. Someone out there knows something. Wow. Eddie Dixon, who hangs out at the Super Choice also.
Starting point is 01:47:31 They described him with a black cap on his head, gold teeth in his mouth, pointing at the sign, said, only thing I know that's my best friend. Y'all need to ask that white woman where that man is. Dede's white. And Abraham's not. I don't think we even brought that up. No. It doesn't matter really.
Starting point is 01:47:49 And his pal, evidently. Yeah. He's a black guy too. Yeah. He said, go where the white women at? Yeah. That one in particular. Have a look, see, and her.
Starting point is 01:47:59 Yeah. So, D.D. does an interview with the newspaper. Right. Because people are curious. Because he just told us to ask you. So they ask her. And she says, well, I'd love to get him to come back because now people are looking at me. She said, I felt like I was helping a man that had gotten taken advantage of.
Starting point is 01:48:17 She tells the reporter with tears streaming down her face. She said, in the same respect, I ended up with all of his mess. That was not worth all the money in the world. His mess. It was mess. They said, well, you've gotten a lot of stuff from him. And she said, yeah, he gave me all this as a gift. Uh-huh.
Starting point is 01:48:35 That's what it is. She told me I should buy the Corvette and the Hummer. It's all gifts. And hang on to my house for me. Yeah. She told the newspaper, the Lakeland Ledger, that she bought Shakespeare's assets as a part of a plan to help him cash out and disappear from people who are constantly pestering him for money. Oh. She said the plan included buying his house for which he paid $1.2 million for and an appraiser, because this is 2009 after the crash, now listed at 613.
Starting point is 01:49:06 $615,613, $1,613, half of what he bought it for. Oh, shit. Moore said she paid Shakespeare $655,000 for the home, but the detectives say there's no records to show how much she paid for it, just that it was transferred. Yes, she paid in cash. Is that what she's saying? And he disappeared with it? I don't know. That's all.
Starting point is 01:49:28 Yeah, totally. All right. And also that Shakespeare sold her all of the debt owed him $185,000. but couldn't provide proof of payment for that either. All right. Investigators were able to find mortgages that totaled $383,752 that Shakespeare signed over to Moore's business, they said there. So investigators also discover that Shakespeare liquidated the annuity account worth approximately 250 grand and the money was transferred to her company. So liquidated is a new.
Starting point is 01:50:02 Nobody would do that. Why would you? unless you were completely broke. Right. Which she wasn't at the time. Now, her boyfriend, Sharr Kresnicki, K-R-A-S-N-I-Q-I-K-I. Q-I. No you in there.
Starting point is 01:50:18 Yeah, he is defying the laws of English here by putting a Q. That's not an English name, right? QI. And Sharr, I don't know either. I don't know, he's a dorky-looking, he looks like he's 17 dorky-looking, like, light brown kind of blondeish kid. Oh, boy. Now, in she's 11 years older than him, by the way. D.D. is 11 years older than Sharr.
Starting point is 01:50:42 By 2009, Sharr is wearing a Rolex and driving a fucking brand-new black Corvette that she gave. him for Valentine's Day. What's next year? What's what I mean? What's Christmas? If Valentine's Day is that much Christmas is going to be crazy. So he was living in the mansion with her and everything like that. And he also found himself the CEO of a new company she just started.
Starting point is 01:51:08 He later said, I just signed whatever she put in front of me. That's what Shar said. He didn't have know anything about shit and had no idea how to figure. How well does she fuck that you just sign things and move along? I don't think she has to fuck well. She buys Corvettes as Valentine's Day presents. That fuck's hard. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 01:51:29 You can go ahead and put that away later. I don't even need that. I'll be spinning around on the Corvette. We're good. And you can put that away too. Why don't you take your car for a ride? Yeah. Yes, exactly.
Starting point is 01:51:41 December 2009, this is, you know, things are pressing. They're looking for Abraham. She tries to sell vehicles for cash. Oh, boy. Her 2009 Hummer, she purchased for 90 grand. Yeah. She took the Hummer to Stingray Chevrolet and told a car salesman she needed quick cash. She sold the Hummer to the owner of the dealership and requested three separate checks.
Starting point is 01:52:06 One for $5,000 for her. One for $4,000 for her mother, Linda, and a final check for her for $40,000. $49.000. is what she's unloading this brand new Hummer for. This, yeah, 2000, she just bought for 90. So the investigation that's going on under this. On the surface, it's calm. Beneath it, it's a duck, you know, a duck trying to stay afloat.
Starting point is 01:52:32 And April 6, 2009, they figure out it's the last cell phone activity, the last movements and shit that they can see him doing his normal things. So their first thought is, what about Michael Ford? Right. That little motherfucker. Yeah. It was less than two years ago. Uh-huh.
Starting point is 01:52:51 He's pissed probably. So they look into him. He had an alibi during all of this. He was in Georgia. So couldn't have happened. Not as much of the motherfuckers as I thought. Nope. He's just a guy who was trying to get a couple of bucks.
Starting point is 01:53:03 So they don't ever talk to him again. He's out of the case. Now, they start figuring out that Abraham started to figure out what D.D. He would go to ATMs to get money out and find his account was empty. or closed. Oh. So he's like, what the fuck? He couldn't get his own money,
Starting point is 01:53:21 and he's starting to realize shit. Yeah. Now, it's during this time that web sleuths.com is becoming a big deal. I will say one thing about these people that do this. They fucking find shit.
Starting point is 01:53:35 They try. Yeah. They find shit. What they find? If you get enough nerds together with a common goal, yeah. They will find something,
Starting point is 01:53:45 because they're not even doing this shit for attention. They just really want to find this. They're not like, you know, some podcaster was like, oh, solve it. I'll solve it. By the way, get this meal delivery service. Like, that's not what they're doing. They're actually really curious.
Starting point is 01:54:00 Those six dicks from Don't Fuck with Cats. Those people are amazing. Yeah. There's tons of people like that. So there is Cindy Parrott, R-R-T-T. She goes by Slootster on WebSloots Forum. Fine. She must have gotten in there super early to have gotten that one.
Starting point is 01:54:18 To not be like Sluotster 14 or some shit. You know what I mean? Yeah, she's one of the first. Yeah, one of the first. She took like four numbers after it now. No, forget about it. Six, four, four, six or something. Your zip code afterwards.
Starting point is 01:54:33 So she took a special interest in this case of finding Abraham. She was among some of the users who started digging and looking at everything from articles to property records. They get in deep. and one person said, Sleutster man, she's like a dog with a bone. There was no stopping her. Sleutster man, she's the sleuthiest, bra. So, dog with a bone.
Starting point is 01:54:58 Now, the sleutster herself, Parrott said at first I thought maybe he did just go off and was on some tropical island drinking a margarita. But then as I delved into it, I discovered that he had a small child and was close to his mother. He didn't seem like a man who would just take off. Yeah, he's got two children. One small, one not so small. Exactly. Then they said there was Marissa Green covering the case for the Lakeland Ledger.
Starting point is 01:55:20 And Green said as part of my investigation, I immediately took it to the streets. And one of Abraham's friends tells me there's this white woman that everybody knows and she's been acting as Shakespeare's business partner. Yeah. And that's when everyone on the outside discovers D.D. Moore. Yeah. So the wed sleuths then discover that Moore's company, AMP, was now the owner of the house. And Parrot here, Sleotster, said she's posting pictures inside the home, living it up. It started raising eyebrows, and we started really focusing on D.D. Moore at that point.
Starting point is 01:55:54 Did it to herself. A former Polk County detective, David Clark, said he was impressed by their findings and the user's knack for quickly obtaining online records. Yeah, we're sheriff, and we couldn't figure it out at all. That's what he said. He said, quote, I get on the Internet and I come across this. web sleuths forum. You have 10 or 15 people finding property purchase agreements, financial records. I questioned, how are they getting this information? I need a subpoena to get it, but somehow they've got it. How come they get you to get a subpoena for public records? I don't know if it's public records,
Starting point is 01:56:28 but for property purchase agreements, maybe for company stuff possibly. Okay. I don't know how public that is. Maybe not just the transaction, but to get into details on it. Yeah. Who's who and addresses and such. And they've already got it because the internet is fucking wild. Totally. He said that he joined the forum and posted just to let them know that all their hard work that they were doing wasn't going unnoticed. And we're actually, you're helping the police. We're using this information because we can't do it on our own. No. That's what he said. It just couldn't do it. So they said, and these people have unlimited. They're just spending hours and hours and hours. They have unlimited time. They don't have other cases that they have a, you know, a lieutenant breathing down their neck about some other case. There was the guy that did the Zodiac thing.
Starting point is 01:57:13 I think his forum still exists. It's kind of turned into not so much. But years ago, it was fucking hot. And it was amazing to see the shit that they were uncovering. People were finding that this happens in every, if you send, if you get a bunch of people with great internet search skills. Yeah. And a little bit of a nerdy background. They know it to write.
Starting point is 01:57:31 Yeah. They will dive in and they will never let go of shit. So the detective said that he and the web sleuths were all shocked when D.D. herself started posting on the forum. She heard about it. She heard about it, started posting about it. She denied being involved in any disappearance and even claimed to be in contact with him. But put her own name on there.
Starting point is 01:57:53 Oh, Didi. Clark said, Didi thought she was smarter than everybody, but I knew that she wasn't as smart as these people. Inserting herself into the investigation. No, they dug into her background. They found her fraud conviction. They shared that with the police. They also found that Didi, not only did she. She post and say I'm Didi, but then she posted it as other people to defend herself, but did it from her own IP address, which these people found in two seconds.
Starting point is 01:58:22 She didn't know. Nope. She claimed it was a friend posting on her behalf. And they're like, from your computer? Yeah. I don't let them borrow it. So the 2009 holidays go by and the police are acting like they don't know anything publicly. The sheriff, Grady Judd, who sounds like a rural.
Starting point is 01:58:39 Florida sheriff. Yeah. Said, we've been through Christmas and New Year's, he's had absolutely no contact with his mother and his eight-year-old son, which we understand he loves dearly. We suspect the worst. And they also said, Detective Greg Thomas said, the Polk County Sheriff's Office advised that they may need our assistance in our county as they were investigating the disappearance of Abraham in their jurisdiction.
Starting point is 01:59:04 Yeah. Now, they actually had a lot more info. They started pulling phone records and cell tower data. one thing that these web sleuths can't do. Uh-huh. And they found a lot. They found that before April 6, 2009, Abraham's phone was receiving three to 500 calls a day. Oh, Jesus.
Starting point is 01:59:22 500 in a day. In a day. There's 24 hours, 60. That's a lot. That is so fucking many calls. That's a giant bulk of the time. Wow. After April 6th, the call volume dropped almost nothing.
Starting point is 01:59:38 Mm-hmm. the only person that was communicating with that the phone was communicating with was Shar. Or Didi. Yeah. Yeah. Both of them. And Didi claimed to be texting Abraham and when Abraham texted back they found both phones were pinging off the same tower. Same location. They're in her fucking hand. Yeah. So Marissa Green, the reporter said we learned that this phone that Didi was using
Starting point is 02:00:01 to communicate with Shakespeare was in the same vicinity of Shakespeare's cell phone was pinging from the same tower, which basically says that either Didi and Abraham are sitting in a car next to each other driving, texting back and forth, or Didi has Abraham's phone. They also made a Christmas Day call, actually. There was a call made claiming to be Abraham to his mother on Christmas. Think about how dirty this is. Diabolical.
Starting point is 02:00:28 Fucking awful. So they, David Clark, the detective, called Deity and personally wore a wire. Okay. He said, we kind of wanted to create. something in Dede's mind where we know where we knew we put pressure on her. So a few days before Christmas, I called Didi up. So I actually wore a wire that day. I actually put a recording device on. And I know that Abraham loved his mother. So we have the Christmas holidays coming up. And if you can do anything to get Abraham to at least call his mother, that would really help.
Starting point is 02:01:00 Yeah. You know him. You know where he's at. Just call him and tell him to call her. She'll be very happy to hear from him. And then he says, but if Abraham doesn't call his mother or reach out to his mother during Christmas, I'm probably going to believe what my partner's thinking and what the press conference said that you're a person of interest and that he's actually dead. Excellent point. Make that happen. Yeah. So the day after Christmas, Abraham's mother, Elizabeth calls Detective Clark and said, it's a miracle. I got a call for my son on Christmas Day. You're not going to believe this. Wow. So Clark says the detective, the day after Christmas, Abraham's mother, called me and she told me that she had spoken with her son. Of course I was shocked.
Starting point is 02:01:41 But Elizabeth also said, that's what he said he was. She said, though, I knew his voice and the voice on the call didn't sound right. Uh-oh. Yeah. Marissa Green said, she said that did not sound like her son. One thing a mother knows, if they don't know anything else, is their child's voice. The call had come from a private number, but the detective could subpoena the records. So he said to the mom, I said, well, what number did he call you from? And she said, well, it was said private. But I can subpoena those records and find out what the number is. Turns out it belonged to a guy by the name of. Char.
Starting point is 02:02:18 Greg Smith, his barber shop buddy. What the fuck? Yeah, that shit just took a big fucking turn, didn't it? What the fuck, Greg? That's it, tant, dun, tun. The music changes. Holy shit. That's the guy that said, look at the white woman?
Starting point is 02:02:32 Yeah, where you got to find out where that white woman is with him. No, no, that's the guy outside the supermarket. Right, right, right, right. This is the guy the barbershop guy. He's my friend, I told him to be careful. He borrowed money from him, though. Yeah, Greg called Abraham Shaky Boy. That was his nickname for him.
Starting point is 02:02:47 Don't know why. Shaky boy. So they said, and here's the live GPS tracking location of it. The phone is at the Lakeland Square Mall. Okay. So they knew the phone, and then they could track that phone. They knew where that phone was. So they went there.
Starting point is 02:03:01 So let's go to the mall. in the car. Detectives go to the Lakeland Square Mall, pull into the parking lot, and they wait. David Clark says, so I tell my partner, oh, my God, I can tell you where the phone is. Let's go. So we jump in the car. We drive to the Lakeland Mall, pull into a spot, and we just sit there. It's like the gods were with us. We look up and we see D.D. Moore pulling up in the dang parking lot. She parks next to this car, and she gets out and she meets. The only thing that we can see is that it's a black gentleman in the car. Well, we see her hand. We see her hand.
Starting point is 02:03:35 There's a wad of cash given to this guy, and they talk for a minute. Uh-huh. The detectives followed the man's car and pulled him over. It's Greg Smith, his friend. Greg. Greg. Wow. That's fucked up.
Starting point is 02:03:49 Who got loaned you $63,000 to keep your mother's fucking house out of foreclosure. To take care of your mother. Your mother. Your mother. What's wrong with you? You're an animal. So, Greg. Greg made the phone call to Elizabeth Walker pretending to be Abraham.
Starting point is 02:04:07 Really? Disgusting. That's disgusting. Why do you that? Did he paid him money. Mm-hmm. That's it. So Clark said, we asked him straight up.
Starting point is 02:04:16 Why did D.D. give you money? And he said, well, she asked me to make a phone call. I called Abraham's mother and pretended to be Abraham. Wow. He said that Dedy told him she would forgive the $63,000 debt if he helped her. And I'll give you a little extra. Yep.
Starting point is 02:04:33 And he said, I thought I was doing her a favor. I thought I was helping Abraham's mother feel better while Abraham was off traveling. He said, I didn't realize why I was covering anything up, which, come on, that's kind of. Why would anybody ask you to make a phone call and pretend to be someone? That's what I'm saying. So David Clark said investigators made a proposition to Greg Smith. Hey, you either play on our team or you continue to play on Dede's team and you're going to jail. basically you want to be a witness or a suspect.
Starting point is 02:05:02 Yeah. Which one. You want to go to jail? You want to go home? That's it. And he stepped back and said, what do you want me to do? And they said, we want you to continue talking to Dedi and we want you to wear a wire. Okay. He said, okay, but he said he was nervous because Dedy might find the wire on him because she was paranoid and always checking on him and shit.
Starting point is 02:05:23 Oh, God. So Greg came up with an alternative. This is a good idea on Greg's part here. Okay. Greg Smith said, Red Bull can. I shaved the top of it, hollowed out the inside, and put a pop open cap on it. I took a small recorder and set it in the styro and set it inside and put styrofoam in it so it wouldn't move. So it would, and so it would feel like something was in it.
Starting point is 02:05:49 He made a wire out of a Red Bull can. Yeah. Then placed the can in his car center console as his cup holder, and he used it as an ashtray for a cigarette. So it looked. who's going to look at an ashtray. Yeah, yeah. There you go. And he's putting a cigarette in there, so it's like there's super nothing in there.
Starting point is 02:06:06 Totally. And he said, quote, when he pointed to it, that's the D.D. Moore Catchcan. So for the next 11 days, he records all of his conversations with her. Yeah. Oh, boy. Here's some recordings. Here's some quotes. Here's Didi.
Starting point is 02:06:21 I'm so deep in this with you right now. If you go down, I go down. I'm not going to get caught. That doesn't sound good. she tells Greg about a drug dealer named Ronald who had supposedly killed Abraham. Now she's got a story. She said Ronald and his crew were threatening to kill
Starting point is 02:06:38 and chop up her son. Oh. So, you know, that's how it goes. So Greg tells her that the phone call to Elizabeth didn't work and that she knew it wasn't her son's voice. So Didi said, okay, we got to forge a letter. Oh. We've got to take this further.
Starting point is 02:06:55 That's incriminating as fuck. Right? the detective said, and Greg's like, oh my God, what are we going to do now? So then comes this elaborate letter scheme. She purchased a laptop and a printer to write a phony letter to his mother. Rents a hotel room brings Greg up there all while we're listening. She's got this elaborate thing and they're just listening to everything they're doing. And they and types up this elaborate letter while wearing a hairnet to keep her DNA off.
Starting point is 02:07:23 She's wearing gloves and basically types this letter and what she thinks is Abraham's voice. His voice is not typing. That's his voice. He can't fucking write. Yeah. Why did she not understand that part of it? Well, she's dumb.
Starting point is 02:07:40 She's dumb as fuck. Yeah. It's amazing she can read. So, and she's literally dictating this letter to Greg what she's typing while we're listening to it. I'm typing this and that. Yeah. Wow.
Starting point is 02:07:53 Burn her laptop, gloves, a hairnet, forging a letter to a dead man's mother. Very classy. So then on the recording, she asked Greg if he knew anyone willing to take the fall for the murder. Oh, yeah. Tons of people looking to take a fall for that. One of the detectives said she entrusted Gregory Smith to find someone she said that was willing to take a fall for this. Detective Clark said, he tells Dede, hey, what's going on? Is Abraham dead or alive?
Starting point is 02:08:18 I really don't care at this point because I'm all in. And she's like, well, what do you mean? And he's like, well, if he's dead, I got a cousin that just got popped and is about to go to prison for 30 years in the federal system on drug charges. If you got money and you obviously got money, D-D, he'll take the murder rap. Okay. He'll do it. So she agreed.
Starting point is 02:08:39 She said, I will pay $50,000 to this cousin if he would confess to killing Abraham and tell the police where the body is. Oh, because she knows. She knows. Oh, boy. Now, Detective Clark said she agreed to it. And I mean, we are like secretly high-fiving each other. Like, yes, it worked. She's a fucking moron.
Starting point is 02:09:02 So the cousin was actually a guy named Mike Smith, who's an undercover narcotics officer from the Lake Wales Police Department. Yeah. Yeah. Marissa Green, the reporter said, Mike Smith was the best undercover narcotics cop ever. I mean, when you look at him, you think he's coming to kill you. Oh, he's scary, too. Yeah, he sells it. The undercover officer tells Dedi he needs proof before he confess.
Starting point is 02:09:28 So he said, I need proof. I need to know where the body's buried and I need the murder weapon so they'll believe me. This is great. Oh, my God. So January 25th, 2010, D.D. Moore takes Greg Smith on a ride out to the property on State Road 60 that's in Schar's name. Absolutely. No hesitation. No hesitation.
Starting point is 02:09:52 Okay. So this is how, this is like I said, the boyfriend's house. There's no neighbors except for a couple, an empty trailer next door. And there's an orange grove across the street. Middle of nowhere. Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 02:10:08 So, um, anyway. So David Clark, the detective says they get out and they walk towards the far back of the house. And she says, Abraham's body is right here, right underneath this concrete slab. Yeah. Okay. So she marked the spot with a piece of rebar so they could find it when they came back to She gave Greg the keys to a white Ford F-150 pickup truck with an enclosed trailer and the vehicle that they would use to transport the body inside. Inside the trailer were shit that she purchased a galvanized metal trough, bleach, gloves, and plastic sheeting.
Starting point is 02:10:48 Oh, boy. A whole dexter kit in there. Plus a galvanized metal trough, which he never used. Then she handed Greg Smith a gun. Yeah. And said, this killed him? And this, by the way, is all wear a ball, he's wearing a wire. Yeah, idiot.
Starting point is 02:11:07 So David Clark, the detective, says 38 caliber handgun. And she tells him, this is it, this is it, this is what killed him. So now we have the murder weapon. By the way, the original purchaser of the gun was Didi Moore. It's her gun registered to her and everything. A 38 Smith & Wesson Revolver with an integrated laser site. Nice. It was registered to her.
Starting point is 02:11:31 She purchased it from a local gun shop, had even trained with it at the store shooting range. That's not a target gun. No, it's not a target. Well, just to, I guess, how it feels. Yeah, but it's just a cumbersome little. Yeah. I could see if you never had it before, squeeze it off. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:11:49 But you've got to, if it's got a laser site in the grip, you point it and you fire. That's it. You don't even have to put your eyes down the site. There's the laser. There's who that is. So this is crazy. Moore said in this recording,
Starting point is 02:12:07 I wish I never met Abraham Shakespeare. Trust me. I wish I never got involved with him. This has ruined my entire life. Yeah. Yeah, it was not doing great before that. It was all fluffed up and doing fine. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:12:20 So on the recordings, D.D. gave Greg another detail. He said, she said, when you exhumed the body, you're going to find a surprise. Oh. Okay. In Abraham's sock or maybe in a pouch around his waist, there's likely to be $67,000 in cash. What? Yeah. So she said that you could use that money to pay your cousin. Why would, if you, if you, if you, why would you bury the man with $67,000? Makes no sense. It's an awful arm on it. then she said something even crazier than that.
Starting point is 02:12:56 And that is crazy. You're 100% right. She said, bring marshmallows because we're going to have to burn the body. Why? I just go, uh, bring, bring some hot dogs, bring,
Starting point is 02:13:09 bring all kinds of open fire food. We're going to cook it off. What are you doing? Yeah, we're going to get manned things on it. That is horrifying. So, anyway,
Starting point is 02:13:21 later that night, Greg called Didi. and said, hey, plan hit a snag. Police are at the property already. What do I do? We need to meet. So, D.D., rush to the parking lot of the Lakeland Mall where detectives are waiting for them.
Starting point is 02:13:34 David Clark says, Dedy tells Greg to meet her in the parking lot of the mall. We rush in, we throw Greg in handcuffs, and I go, Dedy, I go Dedy, we've got some problems. And she says, yes, we do. Yeah, I know. I fucked up. I know.
Starting point is 02:13:50 I fucked up bad. It's all on tape, isn't it? Uh-oh. Yeah. They should have ripped open his shirt and went, hey, how stupid are you? Hey, Deb, don't look at this. Ah, yeah, yeah. So they obtained search warrants and bring in heavy equipment.
Starting point is 02:14:05 The concrete slab had to be broken up and moved carefully. That's another $10,000 of his money for fucking concrete. Even more. Well, this is the police doing that, so the state will pay for this one. They're breaking up $10,000 worth of digging in concrete. So one of the detectives said, last night, we put all the information together. We were able to get it approved through the state's attorney's office. At that point, when the search warrants are physically signed by the judge, we were able to take control of the property.
Starting point is 02:14:33 We had arranged that night to have county maintenance services bring out heavy equipment because we knew we were dealing with a large plank of concrete that needed to be broken up and removed. They had to dig for three days. They had to do it carefully. Jesus. Like you're an anthropologist getting a T-Rex out of the ground. This needs to be gentle and brushes and all that shit. So they said they removed only four inches of dirt at the time to avoid disturbing evidence. An anthropologist from the University of South Florida was called into a cyst.
Starting point is 02:15:05 One detective said we came down to a point in the exhumation where we started to smell decomposition of human remains. After his body was placed in this grave that was Doug Dede Moore then put on top of the body some bags of lime, maybe to limit the smell of decomposition and so forth. We also found receipts and video surveillance of her purchasing the lime. Not good. January 29, 2010, his remains were positively identified through fingerprints. Poor Abraham. It was found six feet underground beneath a 30 by 30 foot concrete slab right where D.D.
Starting point is 02:15:43 had marked it with the rebar. Fucking Christ. Medical examiner determines that he had been shot twice in the chest with a third. 38 caliber handgun. Oh, shit. Yep. You shot the man in the chest. Right in the chest.
Starting point is 02:15:57 Fucking down. So you might have lived for a minute too. That's my point. He didn't die fast. That's so fucked up. Hopefully right in the heart because that's brutal. Jesus. They also found pieces of clothing on the body that matched what Abraham was wearing in the video
Starting point is 02:16:12 that D.D. recorded on April 6th, 2009. The last day anyone saw him alive. The detective David Clark drove to Florida Southern College where Elizabeth worked, Abraham's mom, and he said, I let her know that we recovered a body. Didn't want her to go home and see it on the news and that we were pretty confident it was Abraham. She was emotional, but I mean, I think she was prepared for it. The press conference says, quote, it's painfully obviously he didn't get out there by himself. Somebody put that body in that hole. This isn't by any means just where we find someone on the side of the road.
Starting point is 02:16:51 Someone obviously put him in there. Well done, man. Concrete work was done over him. This isn't an accident. Jesus. A friend said this about him, said that, you know, Abraham used to live a humble life. Before he bought the winning lottery ticket, he joined a church and was baptized. That's because he was having troubles at that point.
Starting point is 02:17:14 This person said, when he won the lottery, he forgot. about being saved. Yeah. Because guess who asks for the most money from people? Church. That's, yeah. And guess who oftentimes gives it in hopes of anything? Yeah.
Starting point is 02:17:31 It's people that it's not the fucking wealthy. The wealthy aren't in church cutting checks. They're out there making more money. The people that need it the most are the ones giving money and begging for salvation. I totally read the book about Jim and Tammy Fay-Bake. or the whole PTO thing. Yeah. That's who they concentrated on.
Starting point is 02:17:50 They said, if you have $10 and that's all you have, you give it to us. Yeah. And then, no, you give it to us. And then you'll end up with $15. Right. And then you give us $12, and then you'll end up with the other $20. Like, that's literally what they would tell people. Like that was actual math.
Starting point is 02:18:06 Just going to keep growing because. God wants you to be having. God does investment opportunities of goodwill. The problem is these were poor people. who couldn't afford to give this money to rich people who were using it for anything but helping the poor or whatever the fuck. So what Jim Baker used money for. Exactly. So they bring D.D. in for interrogation, obviously.
Starting point is 02:18:33 It is fucking bizarre. This is a three hour long interrogation. There's no way we could go through it all. Oh, God, it's got to be awesome. It's crazy. So the detective said, we drive to our substation, take her into an interview. room, sit her down. She's like, I'm just so grateful. You guys are such great detectives. The guy you just handcuffed, he killed Abraham. I'm so scared for my life and my family's life. Thank God. Make sure
Starting point is 02:18:59 that guy goes to prison forever. He killed Abraham. So we know, right? Yeah, yeah. So David Clark said, and I said, you're talking about Greg Smith? And she's like, yes, is that his name, the guy you handcuffed? She's actually, she didn't even know this guy. You don't know him, lady? Is that his name? And I said, yeah. And she's like, yes. And I go, well, you got some bad news, Deity. How do you think I know his name? Ah. I know Greg Smith. Ever since the day that you paid him to make that phone call to Abraham's mother, I've heard every conversation you've had with him. Every time you talk to him, I listen to the recordings. I know everything. Yeah. And he said she completely pivoted right away. You do? You did. From that.
Starting point is 02:19:48 Fuck. Fuck. They said she tells us that she talks to Abraham at least on a weekly basis, sometimes on a daily basis and that he's fine and he wanted to get away from all these people asking him for money. She told us that he'd went off on a cruise. She said he was just traveling on his own. She had no his exact location. This is all before the, we know we've heard everything. So they said that she would even demonstrate to detectives how she would contact Abraham.
Starting point is 02:20:15 She pulled out her phone right there in the interview room and sent him a text message. And the detective said, and then we sit there and watch her. She sends him a text message. Abraham, I need to talk to you. Please call me. And so we take her at her word. And she's like, he'll call me. Don't worry.
Starting point is 02:20:32 Yeah. Okay. So I guess probably in that first day we're like, maybe it's going to work out. So he said, hey, meet back up in the morning and let us know, which she did. And she said, I haven't heard back. from him. Now we got to find out why. Now she's interested in this. Oh, in the morning, there was no text.
Starting point is 02:20:51 And she was like, you guys aren't going to believe this. He didn't write back. I thought he would. I thought he would. Yeah. So then they put together a color-coded chart showing cell tower data and confronted Dedy with it. They were like, see this? Yeah. They said, we say, Dedy, listen, we're a little smarter than you
Starting point is 02:21:07 give us credit for. We're smarter than you. Way smarter than you. Yeah. We've pulled this data and we had a chart made up, color-coded chart and show her. At this point, she just lied about everything. And we're pretty confident that Abraham's probably not alive because this is while they were going to dig.
Starting point is 02:21:25 And she kind of puts her head down and she's like, okay, you got me. I have Abraham's phone. You got me. Yeah, you got me. That's the big crime I committed. I have his phone. I'll be going now. See you later.
Starting point is 02:21:38 Yeah. So she said that Abraham had given her the phone. He told her police would do self-finding. phone investigations. And he wanted her to use his phone so it made it look like he was still around. Right. You know, the detective said, she's like, before he went missing, he told me, police are going to do this.
Starting point is 02:21:56 They do cell phone investigations. Ding, ding. Oh, my God. And so he wanted us, he wanted me to use his phone to send out messages to make it look like it. All right. So, yeah, this was all planned. And we're like, this makes no sense, Deity.
Starting point is 02:22:11 Right. That makes sense. You're sounding dumb. You're sounding really stupid. Can you read, Dee Dee? So, Deity then insists that she's scared of a man named Ronald, who threatened her and her ex-husband James. And it's pal Grimmis. That's pal Grimmis.
Starting point is 02:22:28 Yeah. Exactly. The hamburger is going hard. Dedy says, all right, you don't protect me. You won't do nothing. You don't care if I'm killed. You don't care. You think it's a big deal.
Starting point is 02:22:42 you think I've done this. You think I took a gun and shot somebody. I'm so upset. Did we say that he was shot? This is after. Yeah. Okay. The cop says, okay, I'm not yelling at you.
Starting point is 02:22:55 I haven't met you, okay, other than meeting you out in the parking lot. So let's not get off to a bad start, he says. I think we got some things to talk about, obviously. I've only been involved with the information and, you know, looking at this whole thing for like five days now, okay? I don't have 10 months of knowledge like Detective Wallace and Detective Clark. Okay, when you're talking about two agencies involved with each other, we have unlimited resources, and we can find out and accomplish anything we want to, such as a collective agency together. Okay. Now, I rely on them because this pretty much has been their investigation.
Starting point is 02:23:29 She says, well, if I've lied to them, it's because I'm scared of this man and they don't believe me. As for protection, they keep asking me, they know I was. keeping something from them and they knew I had something. They knew I kept hiding something, not telling them everything because I'm really scared. They don't believe me. I ask if they can give me protection and I tell them after last night, I didn't care. I wish I found out then you really didn't, that he really died. I didn't care.
Starting point is 02:23:59 I'd rather be dead myself. I don't care. I don't want him in jail. That's what he, she goes off to say. So the cop, because that makes no sense. Nothing. It's just rambling. The cop says, all right, timeout, time out, time out, which is exactly what I wanted to say in the middle of that.
Starting point is 02:24:16 This man that you're supposedly scared of, who are we referring to? Craig? What supposed man here? Right. Abraham? D.D. said, his name's Ronald. Oh, yeah. Tall guy, red hair. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 02:24:29 Big red shoes. Yellow jumps in. Yeah, yeah, can't miss him. Maybe smelling of hamburger, it's possible. Striped red and white stripes on the sleeve. So she said his name's Ronald. James Shakespeare. I talked to him.
Starting point is 02:24:43 He threatened him too because James called me and he got a threat from Ronald too, one of his relatives. He threatened him so bad that he went to the sheriff's department and filed a report. Oh. The cop says, okay, hang on a minute here. Okay, five days of catching up with this stuff. I've seen a lot of the interviews. I saw your interview from Monday night. Okay, I'm going to sit here right from the start and let you know.
Starting point is 02:25:06 I'm not going to sit here and listen to more twists and turns, okay? You are not going to clue this fucking story. You don't get to come up with a choose-your-own-adventure ending. This is different. Don't tell us what we tell you. You just tell us what you did. That's it. He said, we're not going to go down different roads and paths because I don't need to right now.
Starting point is 02:25:25 Hang on. He said, hang on, hear me out. Okay, I'm going to sit here and I'm going to listen to you, okay? And I want to hear from you, but I want to practice it by telling you. or preface it by telling you, I'm not going to be led down the wrong path, and I'm not going to be led astray because I'm not going to spin my wheels and waste waste Pult County's time because you know why we don't need a lot of our questions. You know why we don't need a lot of our questions have been answered. Oh, that's right. Okay. And now it's time to lay everything out on the table and get to the
Starting point is 02:25:58 bottom of it, okay? I have my opinion, along with Detective Wallace, and we're pretty much on the same page to make these things work. He said, I took, did you hear the part that you said, that you said that we're on the same page and keep listening, okay, we're on the same page. So let's just get that clear.
Starting point is 02:26:17 And she says, all right, you think I shot the man too. And he said, I'm not telling you what I think right now because I don't lay my cards out like that. Yeah. He said, maybe I think that maybe not. I'm close to the chest
Starting point is 02:26:30 so you can't peek at them. No peeking. I'm willing to listen you to a point, okay? But when I'm done listening to some more charades, we're going to cut it off right there. And, all right, let's not waste our time anymore. Let's not waste this time. Let's not waste my time, all right? Because as of right now, listen to me, as of right now, I have a homicide of my county and I have a body recovered. Obviously, I have a pretty good idea of what happened. It's time to lay that out right now. Okay. Indeed, he says, I did not kill that man. I wouldn't
Starting point is 02:27:02 do that, I wouldn't. Really? Did not. Yeah. Very green eggs and ham. Yep. The cop said, then who did? Yeah.
Starting point is 02:27:11 Good question. Sam I am? Who was it? She said, James Shakespeare got Ronald, got Ronald to come and seeing him and scared him so bad that he went and the cop cuts her off and says, is that true? Did he file false reports? Did he say that he's seen Abraham? He never went through the sheriff's department.
Starting point is 02:27:31 there's been no report from anyone that he was alive. Okay. So that's a lie. Dedy says, so he lied to me. Now she's in. Dude, the fucking cliunes on this lady are wild. He lied to me too. God.
Starting point is 02:27:49 I've been lied to? I've been taking advantage of. I'm hurt. These people, they hurt my feelings. I'm hurt. Wow. So the cop says, in fact, let me give you a hint about James Shakespeare. I've been talking to him ever since this thing's been going on, and I know that you've approached him about things, and you'd offered to pay him money to tell stuff. Okay, look at me for a minute. Look at me for a minute. This is very important. Let me tell you something. None of these little stories, like he told, we're going to fly anymore, okay? Honestly, at this point, what you need to start realizing, if you love your son, like you say you love your son, that you tell me, you tell me you do, okay? You need to make sure he has at least
Starting point is 02:28:30 one parent left on the outside. Listen to me, all right? It's time to start admitting what you did. Honestly, no more games about Ronald. No more, listen, look at me, look at me. No more, don't say another word. Listen, no more games about Ronald. No more games.
Starting point is 02:28:47 No more McNuggets. No more McNuggets for you. It will not happen. So, Dedy said, I have a very good idea of what happened, okay? Uh-huh. You tell me James Moore, her husband. husband did dig that thing. Okay, I know he did. All right. James Moore knows he did. Okay? I just spent the afternoon with James Moore. Okay. I just left with James Moore all night.
Starting point is 02:29:11 All right? She said, and then the cop says, we know what happened. Now it's important for you to tell the truth if you want RJ to have a father out here with you with him or if you didn't do anything if you want RJ. So he said, the cop said, he dug the hole and he dug the hole and he showed us right where he physically came over, Dedi, and stood out right of that last oak tree right behind the two-story house and did one of these. It was about right here with the scoop pointing south. The bucket went in and I pulled the dirt to the north and that matches exactly what with the dirt that we had conducted. We had anthropologists out there. And he said, hang on a minute that lined up the striations in the dirt and said, this is a one scoop job right here. And I told Clark that.
Starting point is 02:29:58 Didi said, they told me they did not put Abraham in that pool that how in the hell was he in the bottom of the hole? They lied to me. Ronald didn't lie to me. The drug dealer lied to me. Now there's a drug dealer, Ronald, this one that. What are you talking about? She said, I don't care if you think I did it. Arrest me.
Starting point is 02:30:18 Arrest me if you think about being an innocent, if you think about being an innocent person is going to jail, arrest me. So he said, oh, blah, stop for a minute. Calm down. And listen to me, okay? The hole, okay, it was dug in the afternoon of April 7, okay? James came back two hours later, and you met him there over the dug hole, and listen to me. Don't say another word. April 17th, you met there, you called him over, and he dug the hole, and you asked him the hole, okay, and you were there alone, nobody else around.
Starting point is 02:30:52 He called you back at 552. I have all the phone records, you know. I know exactly where you were, and I know where he was at. I know. I know where everybody was at 552. You called him back. He came over to the house, and he filled back in that hole. He said, you were the only one there.
Starting point is 02:31:09 You were hot and sweaty over the hole where Abraham was found yesterday. There were no other holes dug there. We've had anthropologists out there. The color of the soil changes when you fill it back in. Holes, they don't. Holes they don't. This one's light. This one's dark.
Starting point is 02:31:25 We have pictures. We have video. He said the pictures and the video, there's no doubt there's only one hole dug in that area. The whole were Abraham Shakespeare's body was found yesterday morning. Okay, Dedy? And he said, I don't hate you like you think I hate you. Okay? I'm telling you right now, I like your family.
Starting point is 02:31:43 I like RJ for the sake of your son. Okay? You made a mistake. Something way, that's an understatement of the year. Something went very wrong and we need to know the reasons why. and I'm telling you right now for the sake and if you love your son and you value your son
Starting point is 02:32:00 for the rest of his life, it's important by you having your husband involved whatsoever like you did, having your son and your husband dig that hole and unknowns to him bury the body. RJ Duckett too.
Starting point is 02:32:12 I think he's saying because the husband did this. I think he's just rambling. Okay, your direction. She said, okay, you put me right in the line of fire. Right now without your And he said, without your complete honesty, right now there's a good chance that both you and James Moore will be going to prison for the rest of your lives.
Starting point is 02:32:32 Uh-oh. So she cries about RJ. If you want RJ to have his father out here, the rest of your son's life is in jeopardy. You've been selfish. You've been beyond selfish. Your son is going to school and getting ridiculed because of you. Your boy's getting bullied. Are you proud of yourself?
Starting point is 02:32:48 You like that? Yeah. Detectives outline how Dedi formed the company, the LLC. fake meetings to transfer funds, spent lavishly, Homer's, Carvettes, trips. They said, you stole every dime. You had a decent business, but something about you. There's something deep down in your heart.
Starting point is 02:33:05 It's greed. And Dedey said, I didn't steal his money. I had lots of trips before that. What? Okay. Interesting. Then they say Abraham was killed on the sixth at your office with your gun. The body left overnight.
Starting point is 02:33:23 The whole dug on April 7th. Slab poured a week later. Yeah. Said you went over to his house that night. You picked him up. Somewhere on the way, you decided Abraham gets killed. And Dedy then says, I was really, really scared. What?
Starting point is 02:33:38 Detectives accuse her of orchestrating the fake call. You went and picked up his mother. You had Greg Smith call and say he was Abraham, while Abraham is laying rotting underneath your freaking cement pad. Yeah. She said, I was scared. Listen to me. I was promised he was not in that hole.
Starting point is 02:33:55 Okay. What are you doing? Wow. So the detectives at one point say, do you know how to cook? You can stir the beans. Like you sure can stir some shit is what they're saying. I think that's a Southernism. On the bright side, you get to blow through a million dollars.
Starting point is 02:34:11 Life in prison means roaches go in. They don't come out, Deedy. And she said, that's not fair. You can have all my stuff. Little A for that, Deeds. Yeah. Then they say, if you didn't do it, Dedy, who did it? Yeah.
Starting point is 02:34:25 And she has all. Ronald, Cedric, drug dealers. Cedric is a drug dealer, too, I think she said. They say, all roads lead to D.D. Moore. You're responsible for his death. She says, I didn't pull the trigger. I didn't pull the trigger. Charge me for being responsible if you want.
Starting point is 02:34:43 Oh, boy. She has many versions. Version one, a drug dealer named Ronald killed him during a drug deal gone wrong. Right. Two, Greg Smith actually killed him out of jealousy. That's another story, the barber guy. Jealous for some reason, even though he still hangs out with him and gives his mother money for mortgages. He's jealous.
Starting point is 02:35:04 Three, Abraham's cousin Cedric, the one who reported him missing, shot him in cold blood while D.D. watched. Usually people that did it end up telling, they file a police report. You want a witness, too, when you kill somebody. You want to make sure that they see that. So, you know, word can spread. Version four, an unnamed lawyer did it. Who knows? Just a lawyer.
Starting point is 02:35:28 You know how bad lawyers. Just a lawyer. Check the bar registration, man. I don't know. I don't have access to those roles. Version five and maybe, and this is saying something because at this point, this lady is a piece of utter shit. She's pretty bad.
Starting point is 02:35:44 Yeah. She fucking sucks. Then she takes it to not another level. She skipped another level and took it to. A ridiculous level. She said my 14-year-old son shot him. Arj did it. Is that right?
Starting point is 02:35:59 Yes. That is wild. She's going to throw RJ under the bus. She's trying. Oh, he's a minor. He won't even get any time. That's why. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:36:08 Then we had to protect him as ours as parents. You know what I mean? I think you have to do a 500 piece puzzle in Florida if you're 15 and do something like that. I think so. Yeah, they make you do that. By the time you get it done in eight years. years you can get out. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:36:23 So according to this version, Abraham showed up at her office demanding money. They argued Abraham put his hands on her. Yeah. Her son walked in, saw his mother being attacked, went to her safe, grabbed the gun, and shot Abraham twice in the chest to protect it. This RJ is fucking Chuck Norris over here. What's the other one? Who am I thinking of?
Starting point is 02:36:45 Charles Bronson. Loose with the gunplay. Chuck Norris would just kick him. you. I don't think he'd shoot you as much. Steven's Zagal would beat you with a colander. As long as you ran directly at him, while he stood completely still.
Starting point is 02:37:01 He would pummel you with a colander until you're dead. Have you seen those videos of him doing those demonstrations? Oh, dude, it's the most embarrassing as shit. Yes. He's just standing there while some guy runs up and he like moves two hands slowly and barely.
Starting point is 02:37:16 The guy does a flip over. It's insanity. It's wild. And he's been doing that for a hundred years. There's an old story of him walking out of his trailer on a movie set and somebody goes, and he's crying, James. He's crying. And he goes, I just read the most amazing script ever written. And they go, oh, yeah, who wrote it? And he goes, I did.
Starting point is 02:37:35 I know that story. That is hilarious. That is so fucking funny. Steve, he's crying. He's got tears. Yeah. I did. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:37:48 That's awesome. God damn it. He sucks. So the cop says you've said so many different stories and spun so many different lives. It's amazing that you've got this imagination. I mean, maybe you shouldn't have written a book at some point because you come up with some of the biggest whoppers I've ever seen. You're amazing, lady. You are a liar.
Starting point is 02:38:11 He said, quit trying to live your reality. Try and achieve. You're putting things in your mind and trying to live them out. And that's not how it is, you know? of the only thing that's the truth is the truth and telling the truth. You're the one who had the body, but there, you're the one who had the body, but there's, uh, but it's your property. All the money's in your name, everything. You're the only person, uh, the only person's going to answer questions here is you. The story, uh, okay, because I can guarantee you if you stop right now and the
Starting point is 02:38:42 story stops right now where it is, like I told you, there's only two people that can be thrown in jail right now. Yeah. That's you and James, who's your ex-husband. So, Didi said, you want to arrest James and you're blackmailing me to give you a name or to ask the person that killed Abraham to bury them. Okay. And so far, the cop said, so far all the shit you've given us isn't paying it out because, and she said, I didn't know their last name and I kept telling you. How does she not understand that no other story is plausible? We've heard the tapes. We know where the body is.
Starting point is 02:39:20 We know what happened. We know what happened. Just say it. Otherwise, we're going to have to go to trial and spend so much money. It's so stupid. So, D.D. says, my son, RJ, shot Abraham twice. Wow. Abraham was trying to choke me.
Starting point is 02:39:32 RJ walked in the room, grabbed my gun and shot him. He was only protecting me like any son would do. Yeah. And I'm only blaming my son for a murder like any mother would do. Like a terrible mother would do. Like an awful, awful mother. Mothers would take the blame themselves. That's how mothers are.
Starting point is 02:39:48 At least Italian ones, I don't know. rest of them are, but yeah. So the detective said she wanted to profess her innocence and that she had nothing to do with this. She would put on the sob story. She would cry. You know, Abraham was my friend. I wouldn't harm him. She gave several accounts of what happened, but they all took place in her office. So he was killed in her office is what we're going to Yeah. Eventually, after hours of questioning, they said she finally snapped out of it and then just was like, I want to go home. Can I go home? And I go, yeah, I mean, you can go home? And I go, yeah, I mean, You can go home, Dede.
Starting point is 02:40:20 We let her go home, but we're not letting her out of our sight. I know eventually she's going to jail. Yeah, you can go home. We're going to have cops sitting out front waiting on you. But yeah, you can. Yeah. They just want her so they can follow her and figure out what the hell is get more info on or get more evidence on her. Because right now, at least disposal of a body, there's charges they could put on her.
Starting point is 02:40:40 Now, her boyfriend, they go to her boyfriend, Schar and tell him that the Corvette might have been paid for with lottery money stolen from a murder victim. he immediately gave up the car to the police so you can have it. He, by the way, got married and moved to Atlanta later and got out of all this. Good for you, Char. More evidence that Centoria Butler, the woman he had a child with, Abraham had a Jeremiah with, offered her house and a car, was offered a house and a car to lie about seeing Shakespeare. They said, say you've seen him recently, I'll give you a house and a car. But she instead reported it to the police.
Starting point is 02:41:20 Nice work. She's not a piece of shit. That's why. She's a nice person. She's wanted a kid's dad to take care of her kid with her. Yep. And cousin Cedric said Dedey paid him $5,000 to deliver a forged birthday card and a letter and a $100 check and a cross to Shakespeare's mother. And he did it?
Starting point is 02:41:41 This is from our guy. Yeah. This is from fucking Abraham. So, D.D. Here is not arrested. But she's anticipating she'll be arrested. And so she's doing an interview with the Tampa Tribune. Excellent.
Starting point is 02:41:57 That's the, that's where it is. Yep. She said she never hurt Shakespeare. She said, I would never take another human's life. No amount of money in the world is worth that. February 10, 2010, arrested. She was under 24-hour surveillance. They compiled the evidence all,
Starting point is 02:42:15 up together and she was leaving the Abraham's house, that neighborhood. They pulled her over. She is charged as an accessory after the fact in first degree murder. We'll get to that. Even in handcuffs, they said she wouldn't shut the fuck up. There was a news crew there. And she gave an impromptu press conference from beside the police cruiser. Oh, God, yes. She said, because I have never hurt that man, he knows I would, everyone knows I would never hurt that man in any way. So a reporter says, did you murder Abraham Shakespeare? And she says absolutely not.
Starting point is 02:42:50 She then, wow, then lectures the reporters about you guys are scumbags. Yeah. She said, what do you need to focus on? What you need to focus on is giving his family a week to grieve. Yeah. Don't arrest anyone until they're grieved out. He's getting, he's getting buried on Saturday. Don't any of you have hearts?
Starting point is 02:43:12 what? Oh my God, he was shot in it. You asshole. They always do it. They always do it. Always fucking so I mean. I'm like, it's never ending.
Starting point is 02:43:23 Don't you have hearts? Right. Don't you, you fucking asshole. Like when people get their head cut off, they're like, we can't lose our heads about this. Every goddamn time.
Starting point is 02:43:34 Every fucking time. They never stop. She said, don't any of you think about his family? Yeah. Oh my God. It shouldn't. be about me, it should be about him.
Starting point is 02:43:44 A man has died and he's finally getting a proper funeral. He did not deserve to be buried in a backyard like a piece of trash. Gee, if only someone could have stopped that, I wonder who that would have been. What the fuck, man? You called your ex-husband to bury him.
Starting point is 02:44:01 Her attorney says, Dedy may be a valuable witness against anyone responsible for the actual murder of Abraham Shakespeare. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, So the one of the people, oh, said about this that it's unfortunate what she's done to the Shakespeare family and said this lady's a professional con artist. Come to find out she was the devil in disguise.
Starting point is 02:44:27 The devil in disguise, my friend. And a blue dress, perhaps. And a blue dress on with a blue dress on. Yeah. So anyway, she, they said that they have a word. for people who took money from Shakespeare and didn't pay him back. What I call? I said, I'd rather just, I'd rather if they just didn't come.
Starting point is 02:44:49 Abraham was, oh, that's, they said that. Okay, they have a word for people, meaning this is for people who took money and didn't pay it back. Not a word that we call them. Got it. He said, I'd rather they just didn't come. Abraham was a fine, loving son and father. He'll be missed more than words can say. We now leave judgment of those who harmed him in the hands of God and in the judicial.
Starting point is 02:45:11 system. That's his mom talking. That's Elizabeth. Then goes on to say, this is Sheriff Grady Judd, said, Dedey Moore's a con artist, and if she tried to sell me anything, I certainly wouldn't buy it. Really? Didy Moore has cheated Abraham Shakespeare out of his money
Starting point is 02:45:27 and possibly his life. The affidavit said, in conclusion, Ms. Moore has provided several accounts as to how Abraham Shakespeare was killed. In every account, Ms. Moore has been admitted to being present when he was killed. There's no credible evidence linking anyone other than Dedy more to the homicide of Abraham Shakespeare.
Starting point is 02:45:45 The sheriff said it leads us to believe that she pulled a con game on Shakespeare. She made the statement to us that she paid the $80,000 $40,000 in cash. I'm pretty sure the IRS is going to be interested in that. Yeah, she's going to have bigger problems than me than Sheriff Judd. If she didn't murder anybody, she's about to go to jail for tax evasion. It's about to have fun in federal prison and that we're going to make sure that they know that she apparently had $840,000 in cash. Oh, boy.
Starting point is 02:46:14 Quite frankly, we don't see where she had $840,000. His mom said it's very disappointing for me because Didi had come to me or had me thinking he was in Orlando or had gone to California to get treated for his sickness. She said that she'd get text, that Didi would get text messages and say, that was Abraham. I just can't understand how someone can do that knowing what has been done. She's a horrible person and you're not Elizabeth Walker. That's why you're a nice person. She said that they're no longer friends her and her.
Starting point is 02:46:49 No, I cut her off. No longer friends. She said, but she promises this is the mom. This is why he's a nice, you know, he was kind to people and empathetic because this is his mom. She says she promises to eventually forgive him for the death. She said, I was very hurt. I don't think she should be free again. I think she needs to repent to God for what she done.
Starting point is 02:47:12 And after that, it's up to God and the laws of the land. Okay, so give me some time because grieving's different for everybody. But once I get over it, I'm going to get over her too. I'll get over it. She said she gained my confidence in her as a friend. You meet a friend and you just come to love them. But I love my son also. And it hurts me deeply to think that he would be living today if it wasn't for his life being taken.
Starting point is 02:47:35 So then they elevate the charges to first-degree murder with premeditation. Yeah. So they said the theory is, obviously, that she loaded his body into a metal trailer attached to an ATV, then rolled him to the hole that her ex-husband had dug. She dumped the body in, poured bags of lime over the remains, and then called him to come back and fill it up. Wow. Yep. They said they thought that he caught on to the swindle, showed up and said. said, I want my fucking money.
Starting point is 02:48:07 And as a result, she shot and killed him. 2010, she's in jail. And she's got a new story. Oh, really? Yeah. She said, Abraham showed up armed demanding money. Not only was he choking her. Now he had a gun.
Starting point is 02:48:21 Oh. And that's when RJ shot him. Yeah. Yeah. And Dee Dee allegedly offered one million dollars, offered buried $1 million for favors, apparently. It took different people. So they said they revealed a garage closet body storage, buried money, and a storage unit. So they figured out kind of where he was based on DNA.
Starting point is 02:48:46 The trial comes up here. People said they barely recognized her. Really? They said her hair had grown out to its natural brown. She lost a considerable amount of weight. She later claims they were starving and torturing her. People didn't recognize her. It's a jury of eight men and four women here.
Starting point is 02:49:05 The prosecutor said soon after D.D. Moore met Abraham Shakespeare. She became his financial advisor. And within 90 days of that meeting, she had taken control of every asset that Abraham Shakespeare had left. His last million five, the house on Red Hawk Bend and the debts he had on the street. Within 60 days of having been divested of everything he owns to D.D. Moore, all that's left of Abraham is his decaying body in a grave under a concrete slab behind a house. she bought near Plant City. Wow. Wow. The defense said, quote, I think you'll see from the evidence, little or no hard evidence as direct evidence to prove this charge of murder against her.
Starting point is 02:49:48 He said the real killer could have been one of the many people Abraham had loaned money to that didn't want their debts called in. Sure. So her ex-husband testifies that she had him dig a hole, claiming it was for debris. her ex-boyfriend said that she showered him with expensive gifts, including a Corvette and a Chevy truck. Mom, Elizabeth Walker, testified the last time she saw her son alive, he had come to visit and brought her his CD player because hers was broken. She talked about the fake Christmas call. Centoria Butler, ex-girlfriend said that D.D. offered her a car in a house if she would lie to detectives about seeing him alive. Greg Smith, barbershop slash informant, barber slash informant.
Starting point is 02:50:34 They did hours of audio recordings. He testified for three days. Wow. Yeah. The bank manager talks about the meeting minutes and the being scammed and all of that. They also talk about how she offered $50,000 for the undercover officer to take the blame for the murder. It's a lot. During this whole trial, she makes more of a.
Starting point is 02:50:58 spectacle of herself. She made faces at the witnesses. She would wink and wave at the jury. Don't do that. Can't do that. She loudly sobbed during testimony. She would rock back and forth in her chair. The judge said, quote, Ms. Moore, I've cautioned you throughout these proceedings. Any gestures, facial expressions, audible comments showing approval or disapproval are not acceptable. Cut this shit out. Sit the fuck still. During one witness, she had an outburst and she said, I'm tired of all these people lying. This is my life. Yeah. The judge called a recess and... Yeah.
Starting point is 02:51:36 The judge called a recess and told her lawyers to shut her the fuck off basically. The tapes came in. Wow. There's a lot. They heard... Oh, boy. Greg, she gave Greg the murder weapon, told him to file off the serial number. What?
Starting point is 02:51:53 Yeah. She told him to wipe her fingerprints off the battery on the latest. her sight. They heard her show him the grave and tell him to bring a cattle trough to burn the body and saying bring marshmallows. That's going to be real bad. Marshmowers.
Starting point is 02:52:09 Everything. But none of the recordings ever said I killed him. That's what her defense is basically you know, fucking counting on here. They said that a conversation about moving the body, Smith said, show me where the property at and I'll take
Starting point is 02:52:26 my time and I'll go out there and move the shit. And I'll move him not in Florida. He won't be there. And she said, how are you going to do something like that? And he said, Didi, our life is at stake right now. Also, at one point, she was asking him
Starting point is 02:52:42 what would happen if they found Shakespeare dead and who would the cops blame? And they came up with Ronald. She came up with Ronald to do that. Also, eating the Big Mac, I don't know, guy named Ronald? Yeah. She gets caught lying. The judge asked her a question.
Starting point is 02:52:58 outside of the jury. Yeah. And she said, that was not a house I owned. And they said, well, why do you pay the property taxes? She said, I did not pay the property taxes. And they said, so why does the Hillsborough County property appraiser have you as the owner? She said, let me see. I am not the owner.
Starting point is 02:53:15 Judge was like, all right, bitch, we're going to find out about this shit. So you're the owner. She does not testify. Okay. I think we have a pretty good idea of what the kind of summary from the prosecution is. Yeah, the question. The defense, on the other hand, what do you say? What do you say?
Starting point is 02:53:31 What's your defense? Self defense? Her defense attorney said, if you listen to the tapes, we believe the evidence will show you that this is a desperate panic, perhaps emotionally unstable woman, finding herself in an impossible situation, trying to find an explanation that can salvage her life and her son's life. Sure. This is an alternate explanation of those facts that you must weigh, and you must ask yourself if the state has presented sufficient evidence to exclude that possible interpretation. of the evidence. Because if it had not, in your opinion, then it constitutes reasonable doubt. The verdict takes less than three hours and they find her guilty of first-degree murder. Of course. The judge says, quote, cold, calculated, cruel, they all apply. Manipulative? Probably the most manipulative person that this court has ever seen.
Starting point is 02:54:23 Abraham Shakespeare was your prey and your victim. Money was the root of the evil. that brought you to Abraham, you ma'am, may fuck off life without parole. Well, plus an additional 25 years for using the firearm during a commission of a felony. Yeah, firearm charges. Fuck yeah. Okay. Plus, they go through all the assets and they're going to have to split that out, the cars, the assets, all that shit. She does another interview in 2013, a prison interview. And she says that, She's laughing, and they say, why are you laughing about a man being murdered and buried in your backyard? And she says, because I find it entertaining that people are ignorant.
Starting point is 02:55:06 Okay. 2015, an appeal citing failures of her attorneys, fuck that. 2017, Moses's mother Antoinette wins a million dollars on a scratcher ticket. What the fuck? Moses should play the lottery constantly. Wow. Both his parents won the lottery? That's insanity.
Starting point is 02:55:30 She got a million. 2019, she wrote a letter to the court, not her D.D. Moore did. And said, I really did not kill him. Oh, God. I don't want to be in here. Yeah. She appealed again, 2019, gets nothing. She backs a new law in 2022.
Starting point is 02:55:47 There's a law that says that it would keep lottery winners for 90 days. Their identity would be kept secret. And she is against it. Or she's for the law. She said it puts a target on them. She said that after she shot a guy. He won the goddamn lottery. Wow.
Starting point is 02:56:06 She said, I don't even feel 90 days is enough time. You've got to understand. This person has to change their whole life around. They've got to disappear in 90 days. That's right. The only dissenting view on that law was one of the senators who said, people want to know who won the lottery because it's a government-run taxpayer fund and program. And to prove they've dispersed the funds, you. You have to have a person who want it, which makes sense also.
Starting point is 02:56:28 2023, she wants a new trial, and they said, get the fuck out of here. Keep going. Yeah. 2023, Elizabeth Walker dies. Oh, no. That's sad. But she was in her 80s. She got justice, too.
Starting point is 02:56:41 That's nice. Yep. 2025 in an interview, she said, quote, I feel there's a lot of ignorance in the world that doesn't understand that this was a one-sided trial. Jesus. One time. Final thought from one of the. detective said, Abraham never hurt no one, never tried to hurt no one, just a simple man that
Starting point is 02:56:59 didn't deserve this. And in the end, you know, winning this money took her life or took his life. Little thing, Marissa Green is Lakeland Ledger. She did a great job. This has been on a bunch of, it was on 2020, CNBC, American Greed, Investigation Discovery, deadly women. Snapped. Yeah. Hulu something. Snapped? She just had enough. She just had enough. This isn't a snapped. No. She had enough. TLC, The Lottery, Changed My Life, and E Curse of the Lottery. But I bet no one told it like we did. So that's what I'm talking about. And the book is Unlucky Number, The Murder of Lottery Winner Abraham Shakespeare,
Starting point is 02:57:35 which would have kind of gave away the whole fucking story. Poor bastard. By Deborah Mathis and Gregory Todd Smith, which is, by the way, our barber friend, Greg Smith, Gregory Todd Smith. He helped write the book. There you go, everybody. That is Plant City, Florida. Hope you like that show.
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Starting point is 02:59:46 Marissa Foster's partner in crime, Tracy, who passed away a few years ago. Sorry about it. Evidently, he was a terrific man, Tracy. Oh, shit. Other producers also, executive producers. Gary Howard is in East L.A. Happy hours in Hobbs, New Mexico.
Starting point is 03:00:02 Looks like Gary wins this round. Yeah. Aaron Zinsley, Robert McLaren, who is Stroke Malone, James. Stroke Malone. Jesus Christ. Very mature. I like it. Karen Richards and Sheree Deacon.
Starting point is 03:00:18 Thank you all so much for what you do. Thank you, everybody. Scarlet Horbeast the 3rd. Ryan Bender, Janice Hill, Matthew Martin, Sarah Rossiter, Dan Caves, Naimo, would no last name. Whitney Breed, Kay Spears, Matt Clark, Kim Chantini, James would know last name. Katie Crucey, Lisa Kulunowski, Megan Hanhold. Hanhold. Hannold.
Starting point is 03:00:42 It's probably Hanald, right? EU Stinky nuts. I don't know if that's a real name. Joe Jobi. Joe Job. Joe Job. Joe Jobe. Allison Hughes.
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Starting point is 03:01:05 We were just talking about that. Ongooglethorpe. Was that one of them? Yeah. Ogie Oglethorpe is one of the guys. That's one of the guys that they were afraid to fight. Wasn't he the tough guy? No, I don't know.
Starting point is 03:01:14 I don't remember names. I'm so bad at names. Scarlett. Howard, I call my dog. my other dog's name. Both of them. So it's working on perfect. I call my daughter my sister's name.
Starting point is 03:01:25 That's just because you're getting old. I'm probably dying. My grandmother used to go, my Jimmy, Jesse, Catalina, Beth, and she'd go through a whole thing before she'd get to. It's perfect. In my 40s. I'm already doing it. Marbinski, Hope Reading, Lacey Wheatheelth, Jamie Johnson, Amanda Wilson, Justin Owens. Did I say Scarlett Howard?
Starting point is 03:01:45 I think I did. Stephanie King, Lauren Parks, Lisa, High as Caz. Mary Angel, Mary Angel Diaz, Cecilia Basterico, Basta, oh, that's getting close. Cassie would know last name. Rianne and Riley, Sunny R. Pam would know last name. Kennedy Cox, Beth Rubenstein, Rubinstein, Jody, Bounting, Izzy, Izzy, Brooke, Ren Art, Patrick Gunschock, HMT,
Starting point is 03:02:14 Traquise Yeager, Tregwis. That is a major trackway. That's a terrific name. Sarah Johnston, Linda Stone, Derek McEuler, Nate Daly, Lisa Corpy, Patrick T. Shea, with a T, James. Laura Kroger, Amber Mahmood, Matt Lehman, Sandra Morse, Ava Destruction, Abola, with no last name. Lisa Hoare, Jonathan Downey, Linda Hansel. Monica Butcher. I've said that a lot.
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