Small Town Murder - Twilight Zone Of Death - Depew, Oklahoma

Episode Date: August 20, 2026

This week, in Depew, Oklahoma, a scary situation develops, after a strange relationship goes sour between a married woman, and a mystery man who rode a bicycle into town. The results are two very innocent people, brutally murdered in their own home, followed by a crazy rampage of violence that leaves blood all over the area. The killer refuses to give up, wanting to kill even more. But a brave teenager, who refused to be killed leads to his ultimate downfall, with only question remaining being "will he get the death penalty?"!!   Along the way, we find out that when a biker festival says "no kids allowed", there's going to be a lot of nudity, that no one just decides to ride a bicylce hundreds of miles, for no reason, and that sometimes, no matter how much you try to kill someone, they might just refuse to die!!   New episodes, every Wednesday & Friday nights!! Check us out on VIDEO Wednesday and Friday evenings on Netflix! www.netflix.com/smalltownmurder Go to shutupandgivememurder.com for all things Small Town Murder, Crime In Sports & Your Stupid Opinions!   Follow us on... instagram.com/smalltownmurder facebook.com/smalltownpod   Also, check out James & Jimmie's other shows, Crime In Sports & Your Stupid Opinions on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts!!

This week, in Depeu, Oklahoma, an angry man, upset by being dumped by his girlfriend, goes on a bloodthirsty rampage, leaving a trail of bodies, carnage, and a terrified town that huddles together while police frantically searched for the seemingly insane killer. Welcome to Small Town Murder. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Small Town Murder. Yay! Yay, indeed, Jimmy. Yay, indeed. My name is James Petrigal. with my co-host.

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Listen to the murder stuff. There you go. That's it. I think it's time, everybody. To sit back. Clear the lungs. Here we go. Arms to the sky.

And let's all shout. Shut up. Me murder. Let's do this, everybody. I missed give because you went ahead of me. I was like, oh man, I got to catch up. I was doing weird stuff today. I was in an attic.

I was breathing in dust. I don't know what weighs up anymore. Yeah, that's what happens. Yeah. You've had that. I have dog seizures. It's a real fucking, it's been a real banner week here. Real life shit happening.

It's been a lot of shit going on for us. So let's go on a trip, shall we? Let's put it all behind us and find people who've had worse weeks because nowhere near as bad as this week that we're going to talk about in this show here. Let's go to Depew, O'Callah, D-E-W. DePue, DePue, Pew, Pew, Pew. The stinky. Yeah, that's it. Eastern Oklahoma.

It's about 45 minutes to Tulsa, if you want to go someplace terrifying based on those fucking first 48 episodes. Those are a scary place. About an hour, 10 to Oklahoma City, and about two and a half hours to Velma, Oklahoma, our last Oklahoma episode, episode 682, the perverted pest killer. I remember that. He was a weirdo. This is in Creek County. Area code 519 and 918. I'm sorry, 539 and 918.

Can't hold these people with one area code. Absolutely. A little bit of history here. The area around DePue was originally within the Creek Nation, which is an Indian territory. However, in 1896, the Indians were, quote, assigned land allotments. They were forced off their land to go to reservations so that homesteaders could settle the region. Yeah. You've seen, yeah.

They'll do a better job with it. Yeah. The land, which would become DePue, was first alloters. allotted to a Creek Indian woman named Lydia Barnett. I'm sorry, yeah, Lydia Barnett, who held the title to 115 acres. And then there was less than six acres of that reserve for the St. Louis and San Francisco Railroad,

and then the railroad came through when a small settlement happens around that. Okay. They called that hall. That was the original name of this place. So in 1901, a guy named Walter F. Malley, he gave them the current name of DePue, and opened a post office and did all of that kind of thing.

He was advertising, you should come live here because it's got good wildlife and timber. So, you want to make pews and shit. Yeah, do that. So this guy had visited the site and then returned the next day and bought the property for $10 an acre. Wow. Pretty good deal. Not a bad deal. The DePue came from New York Senator Chauncey DePue.

Oh. That's where it came from, who, that they named it after him. Yeah. Depeu Investment Company plotted the town and basically he's, he was the richest guy they knew. So the town gets named after. Was DePue like a state senator or a, uh. He was a New York senator, I think a actual. Okay, New York.

Okay. You know, United States senator from New York, I believe. They still, the town still has the original 1920s route 66 concrete concrete running through the center of town. Who gives a shit? Route 66. Oh, they can. a lot about Route 66 around here. Wow.

Flagstaff still embraces that shit. Nobody cares. No one cares. Yeah, kids are like, what does that mean? Yeah. No one born after 1971 has any connection to Route 66. That includes us. I mean, I heard that song, but other than that, I have no, doesn't mean anything. I drove it, James. Yeah. With my parents, and I hated every fucking mile of it. It's like we can go on the, the, uh, I-4.

40, which is, you know, faster. Why don't we just do that? I-40, where the speed limits, fucking 75. Yeah, exactly. Why are we doing 45 through this Williams, Arizona bullshit? What are we doing? Reviews of this town, there's only one that I could find. It's pretty small.

Here is four stars, great place to live. There are a lot of great people who love to interact with the school and make the town a great place for families to come. Oh. We have had no troubles in this town. It's a everyone knows everyone kind of town. It's mainly centered around the school because there are no big things in the town of DePue. And even we'll find out in this story, which has nothing to do with high school football,

has a big giant crazy thing that happens at a high school football game. So it's absolutely true. That's what they care about here. People in this town, this town has basically been going down in population since the Depression. since the 1930s. It was at its most populated in 1930, and it's almost every decade gets less and less. Today, there are 400 people here. There was about 1,700 back in the 30s.

More men than women, 51% men, which is weird. It's just not what we usually see. Median age here is right around the national average, 37.7. Family here, 40% married, 18% are single with children. So that's a little above the national average. But no crazy stats really jumping out. Race in this town, 70.3% white, 3.4% black, 0.0% Asian, 19.6% Native American, which it's normally 0.7 in the whole country. Oklahoma and New Mexico.

It's heavy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's where everybody went. And then 3.9% Hispanic. Religion here, 49% religious. It's 50-50 in the rest of the country. and no shock here. The number one by a long, long, long shot is Baptist.

Everything else is like 4%. Baptist is 27%. As we know, Baptists are the Catholics of the central plain states. Plains, yeah. I don't know what to call it. Of the dust bowl. Yeah, this is some dust bull shit here. Unemployment here a little bit low,

a little bit under the national average. All right. But the median household income is way below the national average. That's a problem. It's $69,000 in the rest of the country here $30,000. Household. That is rough. Rough times.

Yeah, with that kind of money, you can't even live here and work in Tulsa. No. Because you don't have the gas money. Yeah, unless you make a good money. And no one really works in this town. They live in Bristow, or they work in Bristow and a couple of the other small towns around it that are slightly bigger than this. This is like, this is a middle of nowhere, the town that died 80 years ago, town sort of thing. Um, cost of living here, 82 here, 100 is regular average.

Here it's 82. The housing is the super low low low, low one here. Housing median home cost, 166,800 bucks. So. It's not low enough. No. But again, this is like basically you're living in 1996. You make 30 grand and your house costs $160,000.

It's like living 30 years ago. If we've convinced you that you'd like to go back and live in another decade, we have for you. The DePue, Oklahoma, real estate report. Okay, here we go. Your average two-bedroom rental goes for $840 a month, which is well below. About a third low. It's about 1250 in the rest of the country. Here are the houses, and there's not a lot of them, and they're not great. Here's a four-bedroom two-bath, 1792 square foot dilapidated trailer. It literally... Oh, it's a trailer. It looks like it's going to fall down. I think it's a trailer. It's, yeah, manufactured. The front porch looks like if you stepped on it, it would be the bridge from Funny Farm. It would shake back and forth three times and

then crumble into a pile of just a dust cloud. It's scary. Nice. $113,000 for that, but it's also on 3.35 acres. Okay. So you get a little land. Yeah. Here is a three-bedroom two-bath, actual house here. I don't know. It's manufactured, though, but it's not a trailer. Yeah. But it was Delivered. Somebody brought it in pieces on trucks, definitely. It had wide load glued to the back of it at some point. 1,512 square feet here. No land, really, to speak of here.

Just a small little lot. $120,000 for that. Fuck. The house, too. It was built in 2006 and definitely hasn't been touched since. A lot of carpet, a lot of old tile. A lot of shit like that. Bolted in 2006.

And then finally, this is in nearby Bristol. which is where most of these people work and shit. It's very close by. This is a five-bedroom, five-bath, tea bowl for each and every beehole. 3,913 square feet on 40 acres. Fucking egg. Huge.

It's a nice house. It's got like brick on the outside. It's a sweet-looking house, too. It doesn't look like some long-raised ranch or something. It looks really nice. 849,900 bucks for that. And that's with a $25,000 price cut as well. So, I mean, that's a, it's a big place.

You got to live in the middle of nowhere in Oklahoma. It's got like a pond, a fishing pond on. It's a nice property if you want to live there, but it seems rough. But it's hot as shit here, too. Yeah, that's the other problem. Things to do here, not much. I'm going to be honest with you guys. Not a whole lot.

I did find the DePue Route 66 Festival and Car Show, though. Okay, yeah. They're obsessed with Route 66, Jimmy, obsessed. Get ready for a day packed with excitement. at the Depew Fall Festival this October hosted on original Route 66 concrete. That's their claim to fame. This festival is a great place to make memories on the mother road. Jesus, the mother road.

On the what? The mother road. And that's all that's capitalized too, capital M, mother road. Is that what it's called? I've never heard it called that before. But in this place, that's all they got. Maybe I don't know. The car and bike show.

will feature a fleet of muscle cars, bikes and trucks. You can also enjoy live music, food trucks, craft vendors, bounce houses, or try out the firefighter obstacle course. I have a couple of blown out ACLs on that bad boy. That'll be fun. Yeah. Bring the whole family to Main Street to join the fun this fall. Keep the kids entertained all day. It's proudly presented to the support to Pew Ladies' Auxiliary.

That's what the money goes to. What is that? So it says whether you're a local resident, a cross-country road tripper, or a classic car hobbyist, there's something here for everyone. Whether you're from here, not from here, or like cars. We got it. You're covered. Do you like cars? Yes.

Are you from here? No. Are you from somewhere else? Doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. You like cars. You're in or ready. Basically, you just have to like cars.

That's it. Free to attend, but to be in the car show, it's $25 per entry if you want to have a car and be in it. Then there's the Route 66 after Sturgis party. Oh, fuck. This is all, this is a bike. They have tons of biker shit around here too. After Sturgis, that's three states away. Three states away.

Bring your fucking way long tan titties on down here. Yeah. And after you've been drinking for a good solid week and come drinking hard down. Bring your man ponytail and your leather shoulders. Come on over. That's what you can. That's what they call their wives. Leather shoulders back here behind me.

This is August 20th through 26, so it's coming up. It's right now, actually. Great bands all weekend. They don't name any of them, but great bands. They're great. The best. Wild adult contests and games. Wild adult contests and games.

Adult contests and games. What t-shirt contests? Well, there's more. Bike games and show, raffles, indoor facility with food, stripper pole and catwalk. I love how... I kind of want to go. If you go to this town, I guarantee you, it's all, we're all just good God fear and Christian people.

Unless the bikers come. Then... Till Sturgis hands. Take your tits out. It's okay as long as you're on a motorcycle to be a scumbag. That's funny. One week post-sturgis, the titty's around. The tithes are out.

Oh, listen to this. There's a swimming pool, and then there's a clothing optional swimming pond. a fucking pond full of naked scummy bikers who just got done with Sturgis. Think about that. Oh, my God. These did a week? There's fish floating to the top.

Like you just put a fucking stick of dynamite in there when those people jump in. They just put their balls in and all the fish died. Oh, man, there's a water slide, free tent camping, free hot showers, clean restrooms with flush toilets.

Oh, is that right? And a whole lot more fun. That's what it says. Flush toilets. Now, what does it cost for this? A weekend passes $50 per person to see a weekend. Weekend pass. Saturday only $40 per person at the gate.

Wow. Cabins are $300. Per night? I think just for the weekend. And then there are rules to this thing. Got to have some rules so everybody can have fun, it says, on their site. No one under 21 admitted. So there's no kids.

This is why the tities are out. No weapons. No glass containers. No bad attitudes. No illegal drugs. Pets okay on a leash. No roping off compounds and wear your armbands at all times. I think there's a lot of people here will have the armbands ahead of time.

Don't worry about that. I don't think you're going to have any trouble with that. Oh, boy. Crime rate in this town. We're interested in here. Crime. I bet it rises August 20th through 26th. This is crime outside of the biker after Sturgis weekend.

Less crime. Jesus Christ. That is wild. Property crime, about half of the average. So pretty damn safe there. And then violent crime, murder rape robbery, and, of course, assault. The Mount Rushmore of crime is about one quarter beneath the national average as well. Not bad.

Pretty safe little place. There's only 400 people here, and they're pretty spread out. So, what are you doing? Why would you? be too mad. Yeah, why would you have a lot of violence? I can't understand it. So that said, let's talk about a murder that happened here.

Let's get one in there. Multiple murders and a whole lot of shit. All right. Here we go. Late September 2002 is where we're going to start. We don't know an exact date. Just late September 2002. So, you know, summer's ending, falls beginning.

Very nice. Wrapping it up. This is amazing. A man rides into town on a bike, okay? Yeah, bicycle. A bicycle, not a bike. not a from pedal pedal

a wicked witch as the court document put it and this is what sold me on the case was the first line of the court document quote

rode into Depew Oklahoma period literally period riding a bicycle period even the person writing the court doc

was like this is asinine dude rode into town on a bicycle what the fuck are you doing literally that's awesome. With all of his worldly possessions on a bicycle.

On a, yeah. What can you carry on a bicycle? You know? Not a lot. So this guy who rolls in is Scott James Eisenberg. E-I-Z-E-M-B-E-R, I-Z-E-M-B-E-R, I-Zember. Isember. He's born January 10, 1961.

He's from Detroit. Yeah. And we'll get more in his background later. But let's start with here. into town. Where did he come from today? Because he didn't. From Michigan. Detroit's a long ride. He from Michigan. He rode his bike.

What? From suburban Detroit to Depew, Oklahoma. That is no shit. Oh, holy. He literally did that. He rode from there to there. Okay. Dude rides his bike.

Yeah. So now, back to the ride into town. He stops at the edge of town or at the edge of a flower bed in front of the Methodist church, rolls his bike up to a flower bed at the Methodist Church. There, he meets a man named John Wright, who is mowing the church lawn, okay? This is the first guy he sees in town, essentially. First person he comes in contact with is John Wright. Now, John Wright is a very nice guy.

He's a type of guy who would, you know, mow a church lawn, that kind of guy. You know what I mean? Like, I'm not mowing your church's lawn. You take in plenty, hire somebody. I'm not fucking doing it. You know what I mean? That's sorry. You didn't pay taxes to use some of that.

Exactly. So that goes for anybody's lawn. Unless it's like an elderly relative of mine. And even then, I'll probably pay someone to mow it. I'm not mowing your fucking lawn. It's hot. I don't want to do that. So I mow my own lawn if it was smaller.

But so there's a lot of grass out there, Jimmy. There's tons of grass. Too much grass. Doesn't stop. Doesn't stop. So he's a retired school teacher, this guy, John, right? He's a church member and a nice guy, obviously. He's on a Saturday afternoon.

mow in the grass. That's a good guy. Now, Scott Eisenberg tells John Wright that I am riding my bicycle cross country from Detroit to San Diego currently. Long ride. It's not cross, but sure. It's, I mean, down and over. It's as cross as you can get from Detroit. I guess it's where you start. Sure to shore. So yeah. Yeah, it's as far as from where he is across, you know. So the reason why he's doing this because that's the first question. Why? Pray tell. Why? He said, I'm doing it to raise money for the victims of, what do you think it is, Jimmy? Think about the big. 9-11. I am raising that right. Money for the victims of the September 11 terrorist attacks. Now, if you're younger and you don't know last year. Last year, but it's only a year. And that was, that year was not a, it did not

feel like a year. That shit felt like yesterday a year for men. You know what I mean? You know what I mean. That was going on going. It was ongoing a long. They were still digging through the rubble a year from them. You know what I mean? It was still on fire, wasn't it? I don't know if it was, maybe.

I can't remember that, but I know they were still digging through shit, trying to find people and corpses and shit a year later. So it's a big deal. So that's a thing. If you're too young to remember, though, September 11th, you could, you could be doing anything and say, oh, I'm raising money for the victims of September 11th, and people will just give you money back then. There was so many scams that got found out that were not really doing that. So anyway, Scott here, he asks John Wright if he could pitch a tent and sleep overnight on the church lawn.

And then because he's going to keep on riding the next day. So, you know, is that all right if I camp out? Can I tent it on the yard? All right. And the church lawn. You guys have set up a tent. Yeah, you guys are in charity, right? Here we go. Right here, charity. Charity. So, this Wright, though, John Wright is such a nice guy. That's not enough. I can't make this poor man sleep outside. He's riding across the country to help September 11th victims. He said, no, no, no. Come on in.

Come on inside the church where it's air-conditioned. It's hot out here. So he brings him inside where it's air-conditioned and said, you can sleep in the fellowship hall inside the church tonight. You know, stay here. So this guy said, sure, no problem. I mean, would you rather sleep on a tent or an air-conditioning? and even went to church services the next morning after he woke up.

Oh, nice. Yeah. So he sleeps there, attends church services. And this begins. He doesn't leave after that. He's supposed to be on his way to San Diego, but he ends up hanging out here and becoming friends with this John Wright. They hit it off together. They're having a, you know, talk back and forth.

And basically, just John Wright just like adopts this guy essentially. He says, well, if you're going to stay here for a while, let's get you all introduced to everybody in town. And let me introduce you to all the church members and all my neighbors and my family. And, you know, he's just welcoming him right into the flock, like without any. He knows nothing about his background. Doesn't know this man whatsoever. Bad idea. Just hijacked a man from benefiting the victims of 9-11.

Yeah. What about them? You're going to stay here? What about the victims? Let's just stick around here. How much money have you? Do you have, that's the other thing. I'd have so many questions.

Are you, like, carrying a bunch of cash from people just throwing you fives as you roll down the street? Or do you have, like, sponsors, like per mile, they pay you this much? Who are they? How many do you have? What kind of money are you looking at raising? It's 2002. There aren't websites that are just set up where you can just donate. So it's not like he's getting publicity and people are just like kicking five bucks over to a website.

I mean, there are websites, but he doesn't have one. No. Oh, yeah, 2002. Because those exist? Fock. Does charity websites exist? Absolutely. Absolutely.

Yeah. Every website existed by 2002. I mean. Yeah, I knew that websites existed. But I mean, like all of them. Like something live, like a go fund me. That didn't exist. No, I don't know if it was a go fund me, but they had like certain charities would have

their own pages and they would do all sorts of shit like that. Sure. So he just introduces him around. And some of the first people he introduces him to are his neighbors that live across the street and meet my neighbors. That is an elderly couple who have some health problems. This is A.J. Cantrell and his wife Patsy. All right.

Now, AJ was born January 28th, 1927. God, doom. Not a spring chicken, 75 years old at this point. He's born and raised in DePue. So he's watched, he actually watched it die over time. He was a young man at the bubble. Yeah, I mean, in the 30s, he's like, this place is great. And then everyone started leaving and it didn't work out.

His parents are James Henry Cantrell and Nora Cantrell. He has four brothers and two sisters that I could find information on. So seven kids, that's some depression dust bullshit. He gets married in the early 50s to Patsy. At this point, they've been married over 50 years, Patsy and AJ, when the story's taking place. Now, Patsy is Patsy May Melton originally. She became Patsy Cantrell. She's born March 10th, 1933.

So a few years younger, six years younger. She's about 70 at this point. She's also born and raised in DePue. They probably knew each other from the time they were five years old. Oh, yeah. And got married. Her parents are Leslie and her mom's name is ORA. O-R-A.

I've heard that as a first name of you. O'R. He has an older, she has an older brother and a twin. sister named Peggy Faye. Peggy Faye got Peggy Faye and she got ORA? No, ORA's the mom. She's Patsy May and her sister's Peggy Faye. Got it.

Her parents named them Patsy May and Peggy Faye. No boy. Which is wild. And May and Faye. May and Faye. Now, AJ and Patsy have three daughters together. They have Deborah, Marcia, and their youngest Linda together.

AJ, for years and years, was a sign painter. And from what I understand, an excellent sign painter. Really? He painted, like, you know, gym floors. If the high school needed their logo on it, he'd paint that. He did, like, on the sides of oil tankers, he did logos. Oh, that kind of sign. Yeah.

So he does, like, big giant signs and big things that he paints and does a, he's the guy in town that does that, and he's the best at it. Wow. He's also a musician. just for fun. He plays the guitar and plays the fiddle and he taught himself

how to do that over the years. I was hoping we were about to get the inventor of the stop sign. No, no, no, but he could paint one up. Like nobody's business.

Or the railroad crossing or some shit. You give him a piece of metal, he'll paint it. Don't you worry about that. So the problem is AJ is not doing well health-wise by 2000.

Oh, no. Late 2002, early 2003. He suffered from what is doctor called end stage chronic CPD or COPD COPD Chronic obstructive pulmonary disorder

That's what he's got He's got emphysema so advanced That his physician said He could not walk across a room Without going into real distress He has to take a break Going from the living room to the kitchen He's not doing one

He's doing bad Is that what emphysema does? If it's that bad you can't breathe You're drowning essentially There's fluid in your lungs So, you know More of that, you can't breathe You can't get any oxygen

You're tired and you can't move Stuff. He also has diabetes Oh my And a really bad rotator cuff injury as well So he can't lift his arm up or out He basically has it It's just dangling

And he's too old and sick To get surgery on it So Oh my God I mean Patsy's been a homemaker Most of her life She's a part-time substitute teacher after the kids got a little older,

worked for a bell telephone for a little bit. She collects antiques and goes to church. That's what she does. She's a little, she's a sweet little old church lady. Yeah. It's all it is. Sweet little lady,

she's a diabetic. She also has heart disease, and she's going blind as well. These two. These two are like, if Mr. Magoo had a wife and they went out together, bumping in the walls and shit.

Like, this is rough on these two. It's tough. Giving each other insulin shot. Yeah. If they could see, hold on. Was that you? What is that? All right.

I think it just gave my insulin to the cat. Yeah, I think, well, not to the cat, to their chihuahua, which they have. I was just going to mention, look, hopefully they don't fuck up and give it to the chihuahua, because that'll kill it, I think. They're very small. So introduces Scott to the Cantrells. Yeah. Also introduces him to his own family, John Wright's family. His family includes his wife, Carrell.

It was about his age, about 60 years old, John and Carla. Carla's also, they have his daughter and his son-in-law he introduces him to as well. His daughter's name is Kathy Biggs. She's a registered nurse. She has a 16-year-old son named Tyler Montgomery, who's a fucking badass. Wait a hear about this kid. From an earlier marriage. And at the time, though, the boy is living with John and Carla.

a right. Well, Kathy and her new husband live on the same street, essentially. This is one of those where they all live on the same street. The Cantrells live on one side of the street, on the other side of the street, is the Wright family, and then

the Biggs, Kathy, and Mark. Now, Mark Biggs is the son-in-law. John Wright's son-in-law. Now, he has a boot and western store. That's what he does. Yeah. Which seems how many, there's got to be.

Big's boots? Who else? What else would it be? There's got to be so many of these there, right? Oh, like every town is overflowing with these. It has to be. That's all these people wear, I would imagine. It's this and tack and feed stores.

Tack and, well, yeah, yeah, tack and feed and the, yeah, the kind of 4-H stores, yeah. Yeah. Sometimes the tack and feed is the same one as built. Oh, they have this shit. They have these in there. Yeah. Yeah. I've been in those places where they...

Biggs, Boots, sack and feed. There's a clothing section. Boots and feed and tech. Yeah. Wow. We groom your pets, too. Bring them on. Bring your fucking alpacas in here.

We'll trim them up. They don't care. So, now, when he, when Mark Biggs meets Scott, they talk for a while, and he said there's a machine in his boot and westernware store that isn't working. Oh. it's a machine that does something I don't know makes a custom

some shit so. So is the soul on or some shit? Something. So Scott says well I think I can help you with that

because I used to be an engineer at the Ford Motor Company. So I can fix this for you probably I'm good with machines and so Wright there

John Wright takes Scott to the home to Mark's home and he works on the machine, apparently fixes it. Oh. So there you go.

He's good with machines. That night, Scott stays the night at the home of Kathy and Mark Biggs. So he fixed the machine. That earns him a night in the spare bedroom, essentially, where the- can come on over. Where the boy should be sleeping, the 16-year-old, but he's not for some reason. So a couple days later here, out of nowhere, Scott tells the rights and the big, here, Mark and Kathy and John and Carla,

that he needs to go to Edmond, Oklahoma. I have to go to Edmond. They said it's not really safe to ride your bicycle on the highway out there, and it's going to be dark by the time you get there. So we'll just give you a ride. How's that? And he said, well, yeah, great, sounds good.

Sure. Okay. They don't hear from him again. That was September 2002. They don't hear from him again until the week of Thanksgiving. Scott? Scott.

They drop Scott off in Edmund, Oklahoma, and then that's pretty much all they hear from. So they figure, that's it for Scott. He moved on, you know. He lives in Edmond now. That's it. Or in San Diego or Detroit or fucking, you know, Cordillane, who knows, it could be anywhere. Wherever there's money to be made for 9-11. He'll be there.

Wherever money can be collected for the victims of a terrorist attack, that's where I'm going to be. That's right. Because I'm Scott. You'll find me there. You're fine me there. So they don't appear, they don't hear from him. Then they learn that he was arriving. He tells them he's going to be at the Tulsa bus station, taking a ride from the bus into Tulsa.

So, okay, John Wright's wife, Carla, asks Mark Biggs, her son-in-law, will you pick Scott up at the bus station, drive him back to DePue? I don't know how he became a member of the family in a week to where we have to pick him up from fucking airports and bus stations and shit. This is weird. He's the only guy that could fix that machine. I don't know how he did it. We have to keep him alive. Apparently he's our responsibility now. That's it. We have to help him with everything he needs. We need to help this man. So Scott tells Mark Biggs and Kathy, or just tells Mark Biggs on the ride that, yeah, yeah, I'm just trying to, you know, trying to get myself together because my wife and two young children.

children died in a car crash. Oh, no. He said, and I don't have any place to live. And, you know, I don't need to be back in Detroit anytime soon because my family's dead. So I got nothing to live for. That's why I got on this bicycle and try to make something in my life and help others maybe. I don't know. I'm just on that.

Me and my mongoose. That's right. So they said, well, you just stay for Thanksgiving dinner, Mr. You sit yourself right down. You don't have a family. Extra trimmons for you, sir. Boy, do I have a gravy boat with your name? Oh, boy, you don't even know.

We got cranberries, but we do them both ways. We got the can. We got the can that you can see the can outline in it, and you just slass them up. Which I don't mind the can out. I don't mind those because those are good cut lines, those can marks. Those are good. And then we made fresh, too. We got everything here, you can imagine, for Thanksgiving.

We're calling the gravy boat the SS Scott this year. The SS Scott's our guy. That's it. So he stays there, stays at the Biggs home, and eats Thanksgiving dinner with him. And they decide, basically, you can stay here for a little while if you want with Mark and Kathy. So he says, sure, I'll stay with them. No problem. Take it.

Sets up the spare bedroom. Within two weeks, he's banging Kathy Biggs. What? Within two weeks, he is fucking the lady of the house. within two weeks. I mean, I've certainly slept with people early, but not like people that you're like, how's you're living in. That's a not somebody I didn't take on a date and they were already in a relationship.

And they're already married and with the guy in the house and they're feeding you. Like, this is crazy. That's crazy. That's why would he do that? I mean, I mean, he's a bounder. That's what he does. I mean, he's so sad. He's so sad from his wife and kids dying.

He's got nothing, you know, he needs some, and that's the story. Sometimes you just got to fuck that guy. Yeah, he's like, he sat there and I'm just lonely. You know, I'm lonely, my wife, and she's dead, and I've been so sad and all that. Next thing, you know, one thing leads to another, she feels bad, and it's time. So, you know, pity pussy is underrated. No, it is. It's no difference to us.

Your reasoning for letting us indulge is meaningly. to us. We don't care if it's sympathy. We don't care if it's pity. Consenting to indulgence. You're super into it. Either way, it's like it's the same experience for us pretty much. That's the thing. As a man.

However it is begotten. That's just biological. It's not our brain. There's no. It's the way it works. Consent is never ill gotten. No. That's why a guy can go get a blowjob for $20 standing up in an alley and come.

Imagine if a woman Went for paid a man $20 to go down on her in an alley She couldn't come for six months trying that You know what I mean? A guy can get it off in five minutes That's disturbing Well, he's on the lookout for cops Yeah, exactly

Well, he's scrolling, looking back and scanning the street and shit Looking for pimps and cops Someone who's going to roll him all his dicks out Next to a dumpster Yeah, well he's in the most vulnerable position Apart from shitting She's in the most vulnerable position, I would say, probably. Whoever's got a dick in their mouth is the most vulnerable, I believe.

He'll still come. Where a woman would, that would never happen. Not in a million years. In a million fucking years. So that's why we're different. He keeps missing the clit and she's looking for the cops. She's like, it's fine. Get a rhythm. God damn.

Nope. So December. This is crazy. This story somehow gets crazier. December 13th, 2002. Wow. Scott goes up to Mark and says, look, Mark, I know you've taken me in for the last couple weeks and let me stay at your house and, you know, let me live here and fed me.

But me and Kathy are in love. And that's just the way it is. I've been indulgent. We're in love. I got feelings. Yeah. I got feel. It's been two weeks.

We're in love. Okay. Oh, boy. Now, part of this is Scott told Kathy that he got a court settlement from a trucking company that he worked for where he got hurt for over a million dollars. He said, so I got money coming in. I got a million dollars coming in here. So, you know, whatever. And he also said that I'd like Mark to move out, though.

You know, I can't have both of us here. So Mark packed up his shit and left that day. How not in love has he been? He's like, finally. Thank you. Peace, bitches. Yeah. It has to be because if you were, wouldn't you murder him and put his corpse on his bicycle and shove him down the road?

There you go, asshole, bye. Go bring him back to the church lawn. We gave you a ride down the road and didn't hear from you for two weeks. I think I could murder you and nobody will ever know. No one will ever know. about it. That's what I mean. And this is, this is crazy. Like, you're going to move into my house and do this and you're, okay, I'll just leave. And then just take over my house? Yeah. And by the way, the murder is, the murderers in this story. Murder is not Mark killing Scott. You'd imagine that's what's forthcoming now. Now Mark's going to murder Scott. No, he's not. So he moves out. What's up with? December. A lot of stuff's up with Kathy. December 21st, 2002, eight days later, Mark filed. were divorce. So he was, that sounds like he was done. And this was the final push. I mean, if you sleep with somebody else, there is no talking about this. That's how he feels.

That's it. So the next few months of these, of this relationship here, we'll talk about. Mark and Kathy divorce pretty quickly. They have no kids, so it's an easier divorce. Well, they had Tyler, right? Oh, well, no, Tyler's. No, Tyler's, Kathy's, not his. Oh, okay. Tyler's of Montgomery, not a Biggs. Okay. Got it. So, but damn Montgomery is that just reminded me of righteous gemstones there? So anyway, they get divorced.

Scott and Kathy lived together for a few months. Okay. They shared an apartment in Tulsa. Hey, big shocker, that million dollars never materialized. It's not real? Not real. Stop it. Do you think you'd just give it all to the families of 9-11?

He's so concerned, but. Surprise. And surprised. That's what he should have said. I gave it all to the families at 9-11. I'm sorry. I had to. It ate it my soul, Kathy.

It ate at my soul. I had to. You divide a million by 30 or 3,000. It's not much. It ain't much. That's the thing. Maybe it could just be one day of happiness for that one of them families. That's all I'm saying.

Maybe a day in Disneyland for the kids. Something, you know. It's probably $3,000 a person, isn't it? Something, yeah. I guess, yeah. So in July, Kathy's working as a registrar. nurse in Lawton, Oklahoma, working six days on and six days off. Oh, that's a pretty good life, right?

It's not a terrible schedule. So she works in Lawton, and then when she's not working, she returns to the Tulsa apartment and stays with Scott here. So he begins to kind, basically, she's got a life. She's a registered nurse. She has a job, a good job. She's got a son that she keeps in contact with and does all this. it's not all revolving around Scott

and he's not real thrilled about that. It's very upsetting, yeah. He doesn't like that. He moved her off the street where her family lived so maybe they could, you know, he could control her and have control of her.

So it's very weird. He told Kathy how she was allowed to dress. This is what you're allowed to wear. He laid down the law. It wasn't, you know, individual, if I don't like that shirt, it was you're allowed to wear shit like this or like that and that's it.

Yeah. That's not how you live? Oh, I tell Sarah. what to wear and then she kicks me in the balls and puts on what she wants. I'm not going to tell people what the fucking wear. You kidding me? Can you met you've met my mother? Imagine if someone told my mother what to wear.

She'd stab them. Like I never thought that was an option to control a woman for one fucking second. She literally would. I didn't know there was an option outside of bed that looks amazing. That's it. It's either that or

I'm not saying shit. One of the other. That's it. Those are your options. One or the other. So he told her that. He would tell her how to wear her hair in ways that, the way he, other people put it, in ways that would be the least attractive to other men, which I don't know.

We don't care about hair. So I don't know. If you have tits also, your hair could be on fire. You could have medusa snakes coming out of your head. It'd be pretty hard to notice. I'll sleep with a bald chick. I don't give a fuck. I don't care.

I've never once been like, that chick's hot. I wish she'd do something different with her hair, though. I've never heard another man say that unless it's real short. Then they kind of go, I don't know, I don't really like that. But man, she's hot anyway. I feel like it'd be probably better with very short-cropped hair. You don't have to, like, hold a pony for a blowie or anything. You do nothing.

Well, yeah, but you don't have to or you don't want to. What are we talking about here? All right, we're getting in too deep here. If you don't have any hair, I don't have to do anything. That's amazing. Oh, man. I don't have to help. Yeah.

What do you think? You're actually doing the lifting? I think you're just holding on. So you feel like you have some control over this. Just trying to keep it out of her mouth, the poor thing. So he would also accuse her over and over and over again of cheating on him over and over again, which is what these assholes do also. So it's kind of how he is.

Now, the relationship in July starts to get worse because apparently he yelled at somebody in her family, and we can't exactly nail down who he yelled at. But he yelled at somebody. There's one newspaper article said he yelled at her daughter, but I didn't know she had a daughter. So if she has a daughter, I haven't heard about it, and I couldn't find it for the rest of the episode. So I'm not sure.

One thing he does do to her, though, during this time period when she's trying to rebel and trying to get her own autonomy. He duct taped her mouth shut and held a steak knife to her and raped her. Oh, Jesus. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So she's not someone who's used to this. And people who aren't used to this don't take this shit. And she did not take this shit.

she immediately told her to him to get the fuck out, said she was calling the cops, got a restraining order on him, kicked him out, had the utilities turned off, got a protective order, and moved back to her parents' house and DePue. Wow. I mean, one day, it was over, so good for her. She basically had to flee that day. Now, who is Scott? Because we've talked about everyone else's background. Scott's just a guy who literally rolled into town on a Schwinn. And he's like, hi, guys, like my huffy, let's, you know, I'm going to bang your wife and live at the church and do all this shit.

So he's, he's... Two sprockets and a bicycle seat. And he's... That's it. So far he said he was an engineer at Ford. He said he worked for a trucking company and got injured and got a million dollars. His wife and kids were dead. This is the story he's put out.

And it's several different stories. Well, let's find out about his background. His biological mother, Devonia, killed herself when he was nine months old. Oh, boy. Offed herself. So he has no memories of her, obviously. Nine months is too young for that. The man who raised him, his father, Stanley, was, who, by the way, he said later he didn't think was his real father.

He thought it was his stepfather. He doesn't know, but he doesn't know. Okay. This guy blamed Scott for the mother's suicide. Yeah, I mean. He blamed a baby. Yeah. Which it's one thing to go, that might have caused her postpartum and suicide, but you don't go, hey, baby, you little shithead.

How dare you do that to your mother? It's not the baby's fault. And nine months, you were whispering, do it. Do it. Come on. Just getting her bottles of sleeping pills, putting them down next. We're stumbling away like a toddler. I know you can do it.

So his dad beat him severely. They were beaten quite a bit. His father was a heavy drinking alcoholic who would beat everybody. There's also drugs in the house and things like that. There's a lot of accounts that say his mother was really drug addicted while she was pregnant with him, which would also make sense more of the suicide. So, I mean, not good. She was doing drugs while she was pregnant with him.

She kills herself. Dad's a drunk who beats the shit out of him all the time. Then at some point his dad remarried a woman named, Dorothy, who became like a savior to him. She was nice to him. Somehow, this poor Dorothy got roped into this shit. And Dorothy is sweet to him, nice to him, treats him like a son, and he acts like she's the sun rising.

I mean, loves Dorothy. Then he's 15 years old. Dorothy dies. What is going on? Not good. Liver disease, she died of, some sort of liver disease. They don't know if it's cirrhosis or what. but she might have been a happy drunk was part of Dorothy's deal.

Yeah, she may have been the coolest drunk. That's it, just a happy drunk. Yeah. But she was the one who caused him to not get beat all the time. She was the one who took care of him, paid attention to him. Soon as she's gone, things get worse for Scott at home. It goes back into beatings, but now he's an adult, so they're bigger. They're bigger, yeah, exactly.

Yeah, you can punch a 15-year-old. You can't punch a baby. You know what I mean? You'll kill it. So he had seen. 16 leaves the house, which most kids, most kids who leave and stay gone, it's because of abuse. They're not just like, I'm bored. I'm going to leave and never come back.

That's not, that doesn't usually happen. It's not like it's the 1800s where people are like, I'm going to go join the circus because I want adventure. Like, that's not what it is. Mom cooks like shit. I'm moving out. That ain't the way it works. No. It's usually abuse.

So it's 16. He leaves home. He's got some homeless. He's homeless here and there because he's 16. and he would work a little bit and kind of try to get it together. At 16 years old, he fathered a daughter with his girlfriend. And they get married and then divorced. So he's definitely got a daughter there.

Then around 1992, he married a woman named Roberta. And they lived in the Detroit area and had two children. Okay. Shit. Now, Roberta described the marriage. as thusly. He's an alcoholic who couldn't hold a job and accused her of constantly cheating

and beat the shit out of her on a regular basis. So an abusive controlling lunatic asshole. He acts like with Roberta. Same way he acted with Kathy years later. She said that he became increasingly withdrawn from the family in the spring of

2002. Just started acting really weird. If you remember, he rolled into town in September of 2002. She's with Roberta. for over 10 years, huh? Over 10 years. Two kids, stable. I mean, not stable.

You heard what he was doing. But from the outside, a house with two cars in the driveway and, you know, kids and all that shit. So Roberta described the moment she decided to leave. She told Scott that she was taking the two kids and going. He said, if you ever try to leave, I'll kill all three of you. Two kids and you. Okay. So she left and filed for divorce and returned with a.

police escort to get her shit. Oh, smart, yeah. He's not good at picking victims. He's not good at it. He's very bad at it. He doesn't have that victim hunter prey thing. He just picks who he wants to abuse. Yes, and they're not up for it.

No, I mean, she left. That's what it is. Exactly. They got a hard line in the sand that once it's beyond that, they're out. He's just looking. for a victim and hasn't found one here because none of these women will deal with his shit. He apparently likes a certain woman and a woman with a certain, I don't know if he likes a woman. Like strong women.

I don't know if he likes a woman with a certain amount of strength so he could try to break it. Is that his goal? Maybe. That might be it. Yeah. Maybe. I don't know. It's weird.

So, anyway. It might be something about Dorothy that he's trying to duplicate her somewhere and Dorothy was a good person with a constitution just liver kicked her ass. That's it. Yeah. Well, inside basically, this is what she said too, when she goes back to get her shit. Inside the house, she found rotting packages of ground beef and all sorts of gross shit. Yeah?

All sorts of weird, disgusting thing. Yeah. He apparently then stalked and harassed Roberta. There's a rumor, and we don't know if this is true, that he molded some of these beef things into tiny, like, figures. Little Roberta's? Little people and let them rot, like of the family. Like her and like two smaller ones. Like kids.

What the fuck? Don't know what the deal is. Hamburger voodoo dolls or some shit? Some shit. It was rotting away. So he then harassed her, stalked her. She got a restraining order. He violated it.

He was arrested. He made bail. And then while out on bail is when he got on his bicycle and skipped town and showed up into Pew, Oklahoma. on bail from beating his shodder an absconder on out of jail on bail for beating his fucking wife and violating a restraining order he's gone holy shit that's how he ends up here so late summer he got on his bicycle and rode for 950 miles and ended up into pew oklahoma yeah that's how you get that's how most people that's the that's the the propulsion that it requires is back there is cops. Back there is jail. Route 66 is all open. I'm going to get some kicks. That's all I'm going to do. That's all I can do at

this point. Let's see, kicks or jail? Which one? Route 66 it is. Petal, pedal, pedal. Oh, man. So now back to the present timeline of not his thing. She gets, this is where he went after she kicked him out, apparently. Apparently she kicked him out and he ended up this is the fucking we don't know when this is i don't know if this is when she kicked him out or if this is where he went for the time he was gone from before thanksgiving remember that long stretch oh to edmonton or edmund yeah edmund yeah uh either way at some point he ended up in new mexico on his bicycle uh-huh um and was telling people he was in tucum Kari and was telling people that he was collecting money for 9-11 victims again.

And he was arrested there in connection with a stolen vehicle. And those late charges were later dropped. And then he was staying at a shelter. And then he kept going on, moving on from there. So September 2003, okay, Kathy realizes that she had canceled all the utilities, canceled stuff, but she forgot to contact the cable company. she can contact the cable company. And when she finally did,

they told her she had a huge bill. And she's like, what the fuck is this from? They said for the past 36 hours, somebody has been at her, at that residence, constantly renting adult movies. Constantly getting bored.

Six hour spice channel blocks six times, just over and over. over and over. 36 straight hours of porn. And I'll have another please. And more. Imagine watching 36 hours of porn.

I would just be like, oh God, please make it stop after a while, wouldn't you? No more, please. Ah, it's the funniest prank of all time. It's fucking insane. So she heard that. And so she ends up sending the fucking cops over there. Yeah.

And what they find is him sitting in the apartment, like a dipshit. All of, he's destroyed the entire place. He shredded up her clothes. He tore up all of her pictures, just destroyed everything that was hers in the house, and then obviously got 36 hours of porn. So he's arrested for burglarizing the apartment, and he's put in the county jail. can't do that. Okay.

So at the county jail, he's got a guy with him, a cellmate, not even really a cellmate. The guy's there for like seven hours. Just a hold. Yeah. He's a professional hairdresser who got a DUI at midnight. Oh, God. So they stick him in the cell with this fucking lunatic. Oh, boy.

And by the way, this was his only arrest. This guy's not a criminal. His name is Joel Weinstock. He's just a guy who had one too many drinks. So they stick him in with Scott and they start talking because, you know, he's had a few drinks. So he's talking to him. And he told Scott tells this guy that my girlfriend is a pharmaceutical rep. Meanwhile, she's an RN.

And she was dealing drugs as well. And that he was in the cell right now currently trying to figure out a way to, quote, get even with her. Oh. Going to get even with her. Okay. So October 2003, he is released from custody. He makes bail somehow, all right? Shit.

He makes bail. And, you know, obviously, I don't know if this guy's going to go do another court case or not, but he posts bail. And he'd been bailed on felony charges of second-degree burglary, violation of a protective order, and malicious injury to property. That's what he was being held on. Okay. Seems like it would be a pretty decent bail. Why is there not any communication with the people back in Detroit to find that he's already... He's got a warrant for that.

Yeah. Well, that might not be an extraditable warrant, too. That's the other thing, because that's a big deal with in between states if it's an extraditable warrant or not. Because if it's a non-extraditable, they'll just let you go in that state. They're like, we're not going to hold you. That's their problem. Bail jumping is usually extraditable, isn't it? I guess it depends on what you're on bail for.

It depends, exactly. Remember even love after lockup, that Courtney? was had a bunch of warrants in Washington for things and they were not extraditable. Even that was Grand Theft Auto. And so they basically told her, don't go to Washington if you don't want to get arrested, but otherwise they're not going to come get you. And that was that. So, yeah.

Now, October 17, 2003, he hitchhikes from Tulsa back to DePue. Scott did. Scott does. He believed that Kathy was staying at her parents' house. House, the rights, John Wright, the guy who brought him into this whole fold, and her son Tyler's there as well. So what he does is he sets up shop in an abandoned car next door to the Cantrell household with AJ and Patsy there. Next door to them, there's an abandoned car. So he spends the night in this car on October 17th. This is right after he got out of jail. Okay. October 18th, he waits

for the Cantrell's to leave their house. Okay, watches them leave, which that must have taken a while just to get to the car. The guy took three breaks walking from the door to the car. Wow.

So he does that and then he slips in through an open back window and breaks into the Cantrell's house. Once he's there, he finds a 410 shotgun and shells. Why does A. He even have that?

He can't operate that. Not anymore. He can't lift it up. And it's a single shot. Load, shoot, load, shoot. Okay. So he finds this. He loads it and takes all the rest of the shells, puts him in his pocket. And he's sitting there.

And he waits. Now, what's he waiting for? Well, he sets up at a front window that has a clear line of sight to the Wright house right across the street. John Wright and his wife and Kathy, more importantly, who's staying there. and young Tyler, the 16-year-old. And what he's doing is waiting for Kathy to come home because he's got some scores to settle. He's getting even.

He even, he goes to the fridge, gets a snack. Really sets up shop in there. You know what I mean? Now... Eating all that low sugar shit? Yeah. He's like, God damn. Everybody's a diabetic in this house?

Fuck. There's no lucky charms in this house at all. All this zero sugar drinks in this house is garbage. You know he's looking around for the stash. Where's the stash? I know he's got something. Yeah, I know there's, I know there's Kit Katz around here. Not everything's got stevia in it.

No, no, no. There's a, there's a something. There's a payday in this motherfucker. If I have to kill the find it, I will. It's not all sugar-free dark chocolate in this piece of shit. No, not at all. We got something. So he ends up at some point in the evening here in the afternoon,

and we'll talk about what happens. there, he ends up leaving the Cantrell house and walking across the street to the right residence. Okay, he saw people in the house. Now, he rips the front door open and immediately finds 16-year-old Tyler Montgomery, Kathy's son. He's in a recliner watching TV.

Okay. Now, Montgomery, young Tyler here, sees Scott coming through the door carrying a shotgun and with a, quote, angry look on his face. Oh, boy. So Tyler knew that this guy's not welcome in the home, too. Yeah. So he goes, oh, shit, he jumps up and runs toward the kitchen where his grandmother, Carla, is in the kitchen.

They're the only two home, Carla and Tyler. You know what Carla's doing? Baking cakes for her Sunday school class. You can't get more of an innocent grandmotherly activity as I'm baking cakes for the church kids. Yeah. Wow. Okay. He's got several Duncan Hines on the counter.

All sorts of shit there. So before Tyler could get to the kitchen, he's running to the kitchen, Scott opens fire on him. Oh, Jesus. Hits him in the lower back with a shotgun blast. Hits a little Tyler? Hit 16-year-old Tyler with a shotgun blast. Tyler falls down. Mm-hmm.

Okay. He then steps over Tyler's at this point. prone body laying on the ground with a shotgun wound and enters the kitchen. He sees Carla right. Yeah. He proceeds to beat the shit out of her with the butt end of the shotgun while she's making churchgakes. But it's heavy as fuck.

Oh yeah. He's got woodstock and all that shit. He inflicts at least four severe blows to the head with the stock of the fucking of the gun. Okay. Now, while he's beating poor Carla, Tyler's able to get up. Adam. Somehow shot in the lower back, he's able to get up, and he runs to the back of the house looking for a weapon, something he can match.

He's able to run. He's able to, with great difficulty, it took him a while to get up, and once he got up, he's able to stumble and go look for a weapon. And Scott's not looking for him because he thinks he's taking care of at this point. So he does that. Now, he goes to find where the guns are kept in the house. Unbeknownst to him, the guns had been moved to a different part of the house. No! He goes to open the gun cabinet and go, finally, and there's nothing there.

He's like, fuck. It's just wood spots. Nothing to do. So he can't find a weapon, so instead he runs out the back door and jumps into his pickup truck. Yeah. Scott sees him run out the door and follows him outside with the shotgun as they're running. Now, Tyler sees him, sees Scott chasing him, gets in the pickup, locks the doors quick, and backs out of the driveway. As he's going to pull away, Scott catches up to him and jumps into the bed of the pickup truck with the shotgun.

And as he's doing this, he's loading a shell while he's in the back of the bed. Tyler can see him in the rearview mirror doing this, okay? Yeah. So what he does is he slores it. Oh, okay. And just rips the wheel back and forth. Trying to get him to,

trying to fling him out of the truck essentially. Toss him out. Hell yeah. Trying to toss him out. He's, he can't get him out. He's staying. If you just stay low, you can stay in a pickup truck. I mean, it might be a bumpy ride,

but you're not going to fly out. So it's not a flat bed or anything. So he remained at the pickup truck. And then, this is crazy. During one point when he's, when it's calm or the driving, he lifts his shotgun. gun up and shoots him through the window and hits him in the back of the shoulder.

God damn it. From right back here. He keeps driving. Wow. He's got a wound in the lower back, a wound in the shoulder, and he's like, fuck that. And he still keeps swinging the fucking wheel back and forth

trying to throw this guy out. Now, after he shot the second time, he then takes the truck off the road and drives it in ditches, up and down ditches and shit, trying to really make it crazy. Then, He realizes there's a high school football game going on right fucking now.

That's where everybody is. I'm going to park this motherfucker on the 50-yard line. No, no, even better. He fucking... There's cops there. He drives it up into the school thing, and there's a big large metal pole at the entrance to the field thing. He just, unpurposed his truck in with his...

Blasted as hard as he can. Pow! So everybody in the bleachers turns around. and looks at this and people start running over because, I mean, it's boom, and there's smoke and there's, holy shit, someone just hit the pole. Okay. He knew he could get help at the football game

because his grandfather was announcing the game. John Wright was announcing the football game. Okay. So after this, Tyler jumps out of the truck and runs away for help. Okay? Now, a crowd gathers around him because he's got two shotgun wounds

and he just plowed into a fucking pole. So a crowd gathers around him. Meanwhile, Scott never flew out of the truck. He stayed in there the whole time. He jumped out of the pickup and just started walking the opposite direction of the people, still carrying the shotgun. They all gathered around Scott because he's all bloody and shot and hit the thing. So he just like, well, no one sees me. I'll just slip out the back.

And no one sees him do it. Wow. No one sees him do it. Now, he does have a huge gash on his forehead, bleeding pretty profusely. He looks like Rick Flair after an 80s fucking NWA match is what he looks like. Scott or Tyler? Scott. Scott.

Tyler's got it in the back. He's been, but Scott has he apparently hit the bed or something when he slammed into the pole. Like his face on something. So then there's a guy named John Inman. Okay, this guy is a good reason why you should always mind your own fucking business. I don't know. This guy, everyone in this town wants to be so helpful is the problem.

And that really hurts them a lot. John Inman's driving down the street when he sees Scott all bloody on the sideline. He never met this Scott before, never saw him before, but he heard the crash of the pickup and he had gone, quote, just to check it out. That's how bored these people are on a Saturday night. There was a crash two blocks away.

I'm going to go check it. Let's go take a gander at it. That's what he's doing. He's like, I'm not real into high school football. I'm just going to watch, you know, clean up of an accident. That's what I'm in. Who's hurt? Let's go see. So he's driving this inman guy is on his way to the site with his girlfriend and sees Scott and tells this is amazing.

He tells, Scott says he needs a ride. This inman tells his girlfriend to get out of the car so he can give this guy a ride because he's in a truck. Get out, baby. You understand. Stand by the side of the road. There's a bloody stranger I'd like to let in the car. Try that shit at home, everybody. Every male listening, try that at home.

Hey, baby, get out and stand there for a while. I'm going to give this weird a fucking ride home. It's a single cab pickup truck, obviously. Put this motherfucker in the bed. He's used to it. He's fine. He's good at it. He can hang on even if you go on ditches and shit.

So this is what's going on. So she gets out of the car and Scott gets in the car. Yeah. Now, this inman notices when Scott gets in the car that he's got a shotgun and the hammer is cocked on the shotgun. So that makes him a bit uncomfortable. Yeah. So Scott tells this Inman, I need to go to the Wright's residence

on this street. You know what I mean? That's where I'm going. Inman said, you should really go to the hospital. You are bleeding all over my car. Like you have a huge gash on your forehead. You need that. And Scott said, sure, sure. Yeah, I'm going to go to the hospital. But I got to stop at the Wright's house where I'm staying to pick up some personal belongings before I can go to the hospital. So if you swing by there, then take me to the hospital, that'd be great.

And then you can stop by the divorce attorney's house because your girlfriend is going to want to have nothing more to do with you after this. Now, at his direction, at Scott's direction, this inman guy drives Scott approximately seven miles east to airport road near Bristow. Now, because he's telling him, this is where you need to drive me to go to this house. So they're on this country road. The next road is nearly three miles away. They're in the middle of fucking nowhere.

And Inman just now starts to become suspicious of Scott and his intentions. Wait, where are we going? Huge gash, shotgun-cocked. Take me to a house. No problem. That's fine. But now I'm getting, hmm, a little suspicious. Wow.

It's getting real sparsely populated around here. Imagine it takes that long for your antenna to pop up. to where you're like, hmm, this isn't good. Wow. Yeah. So that's how innocent this guy is. I start it.

Bloody face. Yeah, let's start there. Huge gash. We've had a, we had a person run up to our car, blood all over their face. Your reaction is, holy shit,

what happened to you. Then you find out what happened and we laughed for a long time. So. But I want it out of there. As soon as I saw the blood trickle that was not dry. No.

Well, they complimented my car. Actively bleeding. Actively bleeding. Crazy way. I'm a conversation. What year is that, bro? That's cool. Like, whoa, we're not having a conversation.

Drive, James. Let's go. Rev it up and dump it. Dump it. We're moving. So Inman tells Scott, why don't you'll unload that shotgun? I'd feel much more comfortable. Scott says, nope.

Okay, now we're really. You know, now it's bad. So Inman says, no, no, I really like you to unload the shotgun. So at that point, he looks down, Scott looks down at the shotgun, and then just opens the passenger door and starts to slide out. While it's driving? They stopped. They stopped.

Okay. So why he unload the shotgun? He starts to slide out of the car with the shotgun. As he did, he raises the barrel of the shotgun up into Inman. Oh, God. So Inman thought, oh shit, this guy's going to shoot me. So he grabbed the barrel of the shotgun and pushed it away from his head. Yeah.

And at that point, Scott fired a shot that fucking buzzed his head. I mean, missed him by a fucking inch. He could hear it going by his fucking head. So that happened. Blasts a shot. So then Inman throws his car in a fucking drive, hammers it, much like us running away. and in the rear view, he looked and he sees Scott chasing him on foot while reloading the gun. Oh, my God.

This is terrifying. It's like having fucking Michael Myers in your car, this guy. He never stops. So Inman does the first smart decision of the day and drives straight to the police department to report this. So his girlfriend, how long has she been standing on the side of the road? That's my question. It's just going. Yeah.

Well, it's only the third quarter of the game. I guess I'll go watch the end of that because, boy, I'm bored out here on the side of the road. Man, so that's, he goes to the police station. Now, Tyler and Grandma Carla, by the way, who were beaten and shot, Tyler ends up surviving his wounds. Wow. He has to have six or seven surgeries. He's on a ventilator for a while. All this shit, they had to reinflate his lung because one of the pellets caught his lung.

and for the rest of his life as long isn't going to be the same. But both he and Carla survived and recovered. Wow. Which is amazing. Now, while all of the, that's later they recover and everything.

But at this point in time, Tyler's still being tended to by the people at the football game and Carla's still at home in a pile of blood, in a puddle of blood. Oh my God. While all of this is going on,

while Scott's chasing this inman trying to reload his shotgun. So Carl's husband's calling a football game right now. Yeah, he's calling the game. He's saying third and fucking seven. Yeah. You know, so and so back to pass. So Carla, who

managed to recover from her beating just enough to look for help ends up, she can't see, there's blood dripping all in her face, she's been beaten in that. So she's like wiping blood away trying to make things out and can't really see anything. She goes across the street to the

Cantrell's house to get help. Oh, God. Okay. So she had talked to Patsy earlier in the day, but she's knocking at the front door, banging on the door, blood pouring down her face, and the Cantrells aren't answering. But they're cars there, and she thinks they're home. So she checks the knob, it's open, and she walks in the house. This is an emergency. You know what I mean? They'll understand.

She walks through several rooms calling for the Cantrells. Where are Patsy, AJ, where are you? She walked past the bathroom, and through her blood she thought she saw a pair of legs. on the floor in the bathroom. But her vision was too blurred, and she said that she thought it was a scarecrow because her grandchildren had been stuffing scarecrows earlier in the day. So it looked like maybe it's a scarecrow on the ground. So she said, I guess they went somewhere.

I guess someone wants to pick them up, and she leaves the house and finds help from a car that's passing by. They stop because she's covered in blood. In this town, if you're covered in blood, someone will stop. Somebody will help. Yeah. So what ends up happening then is she goes and calls the police, gets the police, tells him, tells the police everything that happened. So the police go to her house and they check everything and they go to the Cantrell's house as well to check on them because Kathy had gone over there or Carla had gone over there. When they go in, they find AJ and Patsy in the bathroom on the floor dead from multiple gunshot wounds.

Oh, God. With Patsy's body lying on top of AJ's. And the Chihuahua is there, too, alive and well. Wow. Chihuahua's fine. Not a yipper, obviously. Apparently not. They found him cowering in the bathroom near the bodies.

Oh, poor chihuahua. Yeah. I don't even like chihuahuas, and I feel bad for that. They're the worst. Yeah, they really are. But still, they feel terrible. So what ended up happening is a Dr. Ronald Di Stefano, who's the medical examiner,

said he found multiple injuries to AJ's head consisting of five distinct areas of lacerations and abrasions. Beaten with that gun. The injuries included actual injury to his brain surface and a skull fracture. They said the five distinct areas were caused by an object forcefully striking the head and it would have required a great deal of force to inflict the injuries. Imagine hitting an old man who can't lift his arm that hard. You can't walk to the other side of the room for Christ's sake. Jesus Christ, if you want to torture him, go walk there. Yeah.

Follow me. Yeah, that's it. So he said the five injuries all had the potential to result in unconsciousness and could not specifically determine which of the five injuries happened first. Also stated that a single blow might not necessarily cause unconsciousness if the victim continued to respond after being struck, that would be an indication of consciousness. He's, yeah, so he's suffering from all of these awful injuries. And they said that if Mr. Cantrell fell to the floor, he would not be able to use his hands and knees to push himself up. And the only way, we'll find this out later, why this is important, the only way he could hold a shotgun would be at waste level.

He couldn't lift it up at all there. And Mrs. Cantrell has been shot. Oh, Jesus. Okay. So this is horrible, obviously. These two people in their 70s shot. Had the least to do with any of this shit of anybody, too. Nothing to do with it, yeah.

Connie Ramsey, who has known Patsy Cantrell since they were at DePue High School together in the 40s. And she runs the Coaches Corner Cafe on Main Street said that it's the whole town's loss. It's not just mine. And they said that she closed her store down for the day, her restaurant, so she could cook food for their, for their relatives and friends of the dead people. That's how nice these people are. She said they ate here Thursday night in our restaurant. They laughed and joked and had a good time.

And their daughter, Deborah, said, my parents were the sweetest, kindest people and so undeserving of what happened. Awful. So Scott's still on the loose. Yeah. He was last seen chasing a pickup truck while loading a shotgun. Other than that. So the cops are looking for him, obviously. It's not hard.

It better be. The only guy in town nobody knows, and he also's holding a shotgun and has a gigantic gash on his forehead. Can't miss him, really. And running. And running. He's like that T-1,000 and Terminator 2. Keeps coming, man. God damn it.

So the cops are searching for him. One of the troopers, who is an airplane pilot, says we've been out since sunup. They have planes, helicopters. everybody's searching for this guy everywhere. They said, we're here to support the guys on the ground. They said the planes stay in the air for about an hour at a time and then alternate, helping tactical teams with navigating through thick underbrush as well as radio signals to improve transmission. The helicopter was grounded Sunday around noon along with the planes because they wanted to encourage Scott to try to look around basically to poke his head out, they said.

They grounded all the planes so he'd go, okay, they gave him. up. Yeah, now it's safe. Now it's safe. So maybe I'll come out. So they were trying to do it. The helicopter pilots said they use up so much fuel. We kind of wait until we spot something with the airplane, then send the helicopter up to finish the job because it takes so much fuel to helicopters. So that was October 18th. October 27th, they still have not found Scott. Nine days? Nine days. And it's going to get way worse than that. Oh, boy. He avoided capture despite this massive search, and they believe they put out a thing, he's six foot tall, about

180 pounds, brown hair, brown eyes. Very nondescript. He does have weird fucking eyes. One of them looks a little crossed, so he looks insane. He looks insane when you look at this man. You would never offer this guy a ride, ever. Ever. You go, would you escape from the mental hospital? I'm not fucking giving you a ride. Get out of here. I love when a guy's got one eye that's fucked up. Oh, it's fucking weird. That poor fuck never gets anything good

in his life. No, unless he's Sean Michaels somehow. Of course, his eye didn't go crooked to later though until he was already rich. So that's what they're searching for him. They know,

they believe he's been hiding in the rural wooded areas between Depeu and Bristow. Bristow, they know this for a fact that he hasn't left the area because there was a robbery during this time that fits him perfectly. The home of

Rodney Lewis, located near airport road, which is where he was chasing inman with the shotgun, where some clothes, a pair of jeans, a shirt, some food, and a 380 handgun were all stolen. Oh, my God. Apparently, the occupants of the house told police that they left the house about 4 p.m. on Wednesday and returned about 8 p.m. But they didn't notice anything missing or anything until about 6.30 the next morning. when the guy said that his family went to bed

and he started to get dressed for work the next morning and noticed that the shirt he was looking for was gone. Where the hell is that goddamn shirt? You know the shirt if you want a specific shirt. Yeah, if you're looking for a specific shirt and it's not there, you'll rip your fucking house apart to find it. And then be like, who the fuck took my shirt? Who stole my shirt?

Before he went to extremes, he said, first he looked in the dirty clothes hamper to see if maybe it was there. so he wasn't crazy. Yeah. When he looked in the hamper, he sees a pair of jeans and a shirt covered in blood that definitely doesn't belong to him. No. Yeah. So Scott broke in and put his dirty clothes in this man's hamper.

He didn't just leave him somewhere. He put them in the hamper, which I find hilarious, by the way. So this man went looking for his gun to go chase down the son of a bitch who stole his good shirt. He's going to be wearing a real not shirt. You can find him. Now, he's got not sure how tall he is or nothing, but man, this shirt, you're going to love it when you see it. It's a Callaway Golf. It's my favorite one.

It's real nice. It's real nice. I got it from the boot and westernware store. It's a good one. I got it from checker pattern. The tacking feet. Over in the clothing section of the tacking feed, you know how it is. Tacken feed.

Westernware boot bar. Yep. So then this guy said that he looked at the rear door and noticed that it had been forced open. They just had to look at the rear door that night. Apparently, the intruder took a pair of pants, an orange pullover jacket, a flashlight, the gun, and also ate their leftover pizza and took some other food. He ate their leftover pizza. He went in, where's my good, I want two slices in my good shirt? What the hell's going on now?

This ain't fair. Stealing mine. That is very funny. That's so amazing. for some pepperoni and the man's nice shirt. And my orange pullover is bullshit.

He picked up my old Navy fleas. And left me with his bloody ass jeans. Now there is one piece of good news out of all this. The 380 handgun that you don't want this guy to have. No.

It's not operational. Because the guy who owned it said I lost the firing pin. So it doesn't work. I have no idea how you lose the fire. I saw that and I went, never mind, keep going.

I could sit here all night trying to figure that out. That's a man who takes his shit apart to clean it, put it back together and was like, well, that that shit just rolled off the table. What hell is it? Hey, kids, look under the couch. What did you, Jesus Christ, it doesn't lost my firing pin.

The wife ran the curvy around here. It's it. Lo and behold, that shit's gone. It's all gone now. Or he did it in a garage with a pocket. You drop anything on epoxy floor. That shit is gone. Stuck there forever.

Either that or he's just cursing Mr. Dyson for creating such a strong suction. How dare you? The wife got a goddamn, you had to get a room, but didn't you? Didn't you? It's just patrolling for firing pins now. But this turns out to be good news, though.

Yeah. So special operations teams, this is on the 27th of October, looked on a Sunday night, came up empty-handed, their search for Scott here. One of them said, we're going to have a meeting at 1030 this morning to see where to go from here.

That's the sergeant. We still believe that Eisenberg is still in the confined area. He had the opportunity to get into Bristow and get out of the area, but he went right back into the search area. He went back to the search area, this guy. He went right back to the area they know he's at. They said the burglary in a town called Slick, the one we just talked about, and, and Is the connection, you know, they said he, oh, I'm sorry, there was another burglary in a town called Slick, and they said they don't believe that has any connection to Scott.

Okay. That's somebody else. They said he is still in the area and we are searching. The spokesman also said they didn't have an explanation as to why Scott had not fled the area. Right. But agreed that a vow apparently made by the suspect to kill the Biggs family members might be his motivating force. He might be sticking around and try to kill these people when he gets a chance. He's going to try to find them.

Yeah. The one guy said, I just don't know. I've not seen any profiles from the FBI or anyone else that might say like what this guy mentally would be looking to do. He's like, I don't know what his deal is. I mean, if he's stealing groceries at this point, he ain't leaving. He's getting survivability. He's getting a flashlight out and shit. Yeah.

And a can of cream corn. Whatever he can get. So Boyd here, this is the spokesman, said that despite the grueling hours of the searching and lack of sleep for a lot of people. They said there continues to be a tremendous outpouring of help from law enforcement. One person said, I'm not surprised by all the volunteers. It's always, it has always been here, but we never needed it before. So never just needed all these people to volunteer. He said that one thing motivating factor for law enforcement officers is the belief that Eisenberg will kill again if he escapes the area.

He's probably going to kill more. They said, although he has successfully eluded capture, that they said he has no special military training or like he's not a survivor like a you know one of these woods guys it's not him he's not one of these end of days guys he doesn't know how to do that he's not not john rambo no he's not one of those guys um they also confirmed scanner traffic saturday night that indicated that um an officer was close to capturing eisenber the radio traffic between the oklahoma highway patrol uh tactical units in the field patrolling aircraft and the Oklahoma Highway Patrol Command Post indicated that they had him surrounded. Okay. The close pursuit started with a highway patrol helicopter spotting him moving through the woods at a jog.

The helicopter in the command post moved personnel closer to where they believed he had hidden under an overhanging creek bank. But the helicopters were forced off the scene by empty fuel tanks, and by the time they return to the search area, ground fouls forces had lost him. He wasn't there. He wasn't at the place they were going. They said...

They got a quarter of a tank. Fuck. These cop-fucking choppers burn through the gas dude. They keep complaining about it. They said the search has been frustrating, but they believe they have contained Scott in a good perimeter, which doesn't mean

shit at this point. They said there's a shortage of manpower on Sunday night, but they have had portable lights, generators from Creek County firefighters, and all that kind of thing. They described the area as the same type of dense woods and rocky terrain that dozens of teams searched earlier in the week just south of the break-in. They said teams are walking shoulder to shoulder in the area because it's so dense. So he's in the, he's trying to rambo it, but it's different. So at this point

Everyone in town freaks the fuck out Yeah Loses their mind and the cops tell them Go ahead and panic everybody It's like they literally do they're like there's no like Hey everybody we got under control it's everyone panic Run around and scream and load your guns because shit's crazy guys he's winning Yeah

Imagine after 9-11 if they said, there's more and it's fucked and just do whatever you got to do. Burn shit down and run around outside because we're all doomed. That would have been a terrible. They're a tall tower. We're fucked. So they said the officers warned that he's dangerous and they don't believe he's finished. He's winning.

So he said, keep your children inside. So parents wouldn't let their kids go outside. Not going to lie, guys, it's halftime and he's got a healthy lead. He's got a healthy lead. And we're going to go ahead and let John Wright call the end of this game. John, get in here. We're hunting. People are, it's fourth down, everybody, and we're in deep shit.

It's first down. We're going to fun. It's first down for him. It's fourth down for us. That's the problem. So people are borrowing guns from people that don't have guns and families are putting, literally people are arming small children and telling them to sit on the couch with this gun in your hand. And don't move. Casey comes in

And if a guy comes in, shoot him. You don't sleep anyway. Hold this. Hold this. So they searched a warm that he's armed. He should be considered extremely dangerous. They said that Jessica Brown, the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation,

said residents should keep their doors locked and their eyes open. They said, this man is capable of doing just about anything. Anyone who cites him should call one of like 17 different phone numbers. Just get him in here. The cops are like, call a neighboring town. We're scared to death. We don't know.

Yeah, we're terrified. Well, our doors are locked and we're armed and we're sitting in here. So if someone else could grab him, that'd be great. We're locking ourselves in the jail. We're so scared. Yeah. Shit. A spokesman for the highway patrol said that motorists should take alternate routes from Bristow.

Don't even drive the way you'd normally drive. He said, quote, he knows there's a lot of. heat, a lot of authorities in the area. He's afraid of getting out of the area because he's known throughout the state. We believe we'll track him very soon. Wow. One of the restaurant

owners, Linda Ayers, who owns the Anchor Drive-in, said she's not sure when she'll reopen the restaurant. All the business is just closed. Too scary. No more sausage, you guys. I'm not selling a pancake. Sorry, I don't have it. I've got nothing. She said, as long as

those helicopters continue to fly over head. I think I'll stay closed. Holy shit. Too scared. Then they think they got him. They think they got him. An intense manhunt. 19 days into the manhunt. Wow. They scaled back the Bristow search for Scott when they're doing a shoulder to shoulder sweep by 200 law enforcement officers. That failed to find him in the dense woods

east of the Bristow airport. A spokesman's, oh, no, this is Mark. Biggs said it was terribly disappointing that they didn't find him, but I know they are doing everything they could. For about two hours on this one Friday, the search scenario was repeated in Tulsa County in Tulsa County, in Tulsa County Sheriff's Deputy thought they had a man and he was on the run from him. They tried to pull a guy over and he runs. The hunt is focused around Chandler Park in West Tulsa. And after a three-hour search,

they finally catch up with the man. And it's a guy named Martin Crow, a 34-year-old man wanted for burglary and stolen property warrants. And that's it. He had warrants and he knew it. And he ran. Yep, the search began shortly before 10.30 a.m.

when a deputy attempted to stop an older model car, they said the driver had the same general description as the homicide suspect. That's the only reason they were pulling him over. The driver refused to stop. to stop. Yeah. And led him,

I mean, they could have looked at him when they got up to the window and went, never mind, have a good day. That would have been in. Instead,

this guy takes off. Yeah. Led the deputy on a chase into the upper level of Chandler Park where the driver abandoned the car and fled into the woods, which made them think it was him even more.

So in addition to the Tulsa County deputies, law officers from San Springs, Tulsa, Creek County, Bristol, and the Oklahoma Highway Patrol, all joined in the hunt. Helicopters, air, they had an airboat,

They had a fucking airboat. Yeah. This is the guy that doesn't read the news. He doesn't know that somebody's out there. He just thinks he's got warrants and they're going to find. He's like, damn. He doesn't know. You don't run when they're looking for somebody that's a murderer.

No, he's like, they are taking this shit dead serious, my stolen property war. They got a fan boat? What the fucking fan boat? Police dogs. This is five stars in Grand Theft. All I did was steal something. I stole one thing. Yeah.

I didn't even steal a car. I said, you know, this is crazy. So at the height of the search, several schools chose to lock down their campuses. And they said dogs followed close on a fresh trail throughout the chase. Shortly before 1.30 p.m., they closed in on this person and took Crow into custody. They said they weren't disappointed with the capture. I mean, good they were glad they got him. He has a warrant, too.

But not exactly what they were looking for. The one the one spokesman said, when you see how much he looked like the homicide suspect, you know we were on the right track. But you just have to see the guy. We really thought it was him. Dead ringer, you guys. And that's what all the news was putting out is they found him and they're on the trail. They're going to get him today. It's good.

20 feet away, same guy. Same shit. They said we would have much rather captured Scott Isamber, but this guy was a fugitive and he ran. They did a great job catching him. this is the best part. Martin Crow said he had no idea why such a massive manhunt was launched when he fled. He thought if you get away

from one cop car, he's done. He never thought they'd break out the van boats for this shit. This is nuts. It's fucking fanboats. This is every kind of vehicle anybody could have. There was a guy with like one of those things with a helicopter thing where you pedal it. He was

chasing him. It's like an umbrella with a pedal. Every vehicle that the cops own is out here. And all I got to warn for theft. They got the right brother's plane circling. This is nuts. They got everything.

So, uh, Yeah, that flaps. Yeah. He's pedaling and the things go and wings are flying. Yeah. Uh, the spokesman said, he did not understand why there was so much attention given to his

capture. I bet after it was all over, he's sorry he came to Tulsa County. Yeah, I guess so. Now, November, 23rd, 2003. Get the fuck out of here. We still have not found this man.

It's been since the 18th, okay? The Depew Methodist Church Food Bank. Remember the Methodist Church, the first place he rolled up. We are full circle back to here again. 75-year-old Deis Petrie, an old lady, a volunteer at the Depew Methodist Church food pantry. Wow. Fines in there, goes and opens a... door and finds Scott hiding in the building.

Oh, he's hiding in the church? In the church's food bank. That's where he's hiding. She sees a gun and a man that shouldn't be there and runs screaming from the building. Uh-huh. Okay. She leaves her keys hanging in the front door of the building. Her keys are still in the front door.

She opened, saw him and just ran away and left the keys there. He grabbed the keys and stole her car. Oh, Jesus. which is a 1980s red Toyota that belongs to her daughter. So, wow. And 80s, Corolla is not a good car. Not a great car. It'll last, but it's a little shitbox.

And red isn't the color you want, really, when you're trying to outrun every law enforcement officer in three states. Unless it's an 86 supra. You're in trouble. You're in a lot of shit here. Yeah, unless it's one of those 87, 5.7 Irocks, you're in a lot of trouble. So Doiss makes it to a neighbor's home and 9-1-1 was called. Now they say, okay, this is the man. He had a gun.

It's the guy you've been looking for. He's in a red Toyota with this license plate. So now for a first time and a long time, we have an actual something to look for. So that's what's going on. So they're like, we're going to find that. Now, here's a fun side note. How long you think he was at the church for? The whole goddamn time.

The entire fucking time. He robbed that place, ran around the woods for a couple more days, went to the church and he's been here for a fucking month. The whole time. In the pantry with plenty of fucking food. Oh, that's the thing. He found food. He found water and he just settled in. He used the radiator to cook meat from the refrigerator.

Stop it. He was cooking. There was a small television. So he was watching the news coverage on them chasing him. so he knew where they were looking and everything. Frying bologna on the fucking radiator. Just frying up, making himself a fucking chicken breast tonight on the radiator. Because the church, I mean, people are gone early.

He's got all night to hang out there. Yeah. At one point, police actually searched the church and entered the pantry. And there was a closet. He was hiding in the closet with a fucking gun sitting in there. And he heard them come in and listen to the officers move all around him. They never checked the closet. Oh my God.

This was weeks ago. Oh, my God. They have been burning fucking helicopter fuel for weeks. Fucking buffoons. Because these idiots didn't, they're like peeing in here and they just left. Absolute buffoonery. Yep. Now, later this day, okay, he's fled in the red Toyota.

It's in the Corolla, yeah. Okay. Dr. Sam Peebles and his wife, Suzanne. Let's introduce them. Oh, God. Okay. They left Fort Smith, Arkansas for their home in Nashville, Arkansas, which I think we did a show on. We did a Nashville that wasn't in Tennessee.

I can't remember where it was it. Nashville, Michigan, maybe, or was it Arkansas? I don't remember. Now, Dr. Sam Peebles here is a physician from Nashville, Arkansas. He and his wife were driving home from a funeral when they look off to the side of the road and see a red Toyota with the hood up and a man stranded. Yeah. So they, of course, pull over and stop because everyone in this place wants to help. This was nearing the town of Waldron, Arkansas, is when they noticed the red Toyota on the side of the road.

There's a man standing beside the car shivering. It's cold out. So, you know, being a doctor and all, do no harm and everything, he pulls over. They stop and say, do you need help? And he said, Scott said, I think there's something wrong with the car. I just filled it up with gas. I don't know what's going on. It's definitely not out of gas.

I think it must have broke down. So they said, well, we'll go ahead and take you to the convenience store and you can call for tow truck and everything. Come on, hop in. Yeah. Hop on in. Okay. He hops in. He tells them, he tells the Peebles couple, that his girlfriend had been in a wedding and he was on his way back to Texarkana to pick her up.

And that's what was going on. He takes a seat in their van. They're driving a van. He sits directly behind Dr. Peebles who's driving, okay? He borrows Suzanne's cell phone and uses it to call Kathy Biggs. Okay. Okay. Kathy answered, he hangs up on her.

Yeah. He hangs up. Now, this was the dumbest thing he's done so far. And then, in a long list of dumb things. Yeah, sure. Because what happened is they were anticipating this, and the authorities had set up a tracking on Kathy's phone in case Scott tried to call her. They did that, but they didn't check the closet?

Yeah, because that, well, that's the state police doing that kind of shit. The local police are, you guys go check the church food bank and they're like, oh, what are we doing? So, yeah, this is local dick shit cops, I think, has to be. So this call, you know, ding's a fucking thing in there, whatever, and they realize that that he's calling. her, or that she's getting a call from an unknown number and a hang-up, so they're like, let's look into this. So the Arkansas authorities are notified. A call from this location came to her phone.

Can you check it out? Okay. Now, they're driving in the van. After a few minutes, he calls, uses the phone, gives it back to Suzanne. Then he pulls out a gun, a 380. Yeah. And points it at Dr. Peebles and said, we're going to go driving for a while, me, us, right now. So for the next six hours,

what? Six hours, he holds them at gunpoint, driving through Arkansas and Texas, just following wherever he says to go. Wherever Scott says to go. He asked them a couple times, you ever been to Mexico? You know how to get there? I mean, South is a good indicator. South would be the way I would say get there. Just keep going south.

Watch these green signs. One of them is about to say Mexico. Yeah. There will be a route. there eventually. Straight south from wherever we are. No shit. So on several occasions, he told the doctor that he was taking the safety off the gun,

but if he did what they said, they would have something to tell their grandkids. In other words, I won't kill you. This will be a story. You can tell your grandkids. But if they don't take him where he wants to go, he said, I don't care because I'm already facing death row in Oklahoma, so don't fucking matter to me. Two more ain't going to bother my conscience is what he said. I've already killed.

Now, I don't think he doesn't know the gun doesn't work. He doesn't know. They don't know the gun doesn't work. No. Nobody knows as far as they know. Everybody will find out very soon if he pulls that trigger. We were going to find out what happens. So he does this.

Now, when he first pulled the gun, Mrs. Peebles tried to grab it and pull it away. Oh. Then during the struggle, he yelled that he's going to kill Dr. Peebles if she doesn't let go. I'm going to kill Dr. Peebles if she doesn't let go. I'm going to kill him. your husband if you don't let go. She said, quote, he told me that old man did the same thing and I killed his wife. That was the quote he said to them. That old man did the same thing. He told me, this is from Suzanne Peebles, he told me that's the reason he shot the couple in Oklahoma because she tried to take the gun away too. He warned me not to do it again or he'd shoot my husband.

So now they didn't know who the hell they had in the car. Now they have a guy who's saying, I'm wanted for killing two people and I'm facing death row. So now they're they go, okay, we better just, we better give this guy what he wants and hopefully he'll go away. So she lets go with a gun. The whole time, they're convinced he's going to kill them when they get in a rural enough area. He just thinks that. So Samuel and his wife here start to hum church hymns together. And the trek goes on to Lufkin, Texas, where Samuel asked to relieve himself.

Can I piss? I'm driving here. So Scott tells him to pull off the highway. onto a dirt road and Scott gets out as well. This is like the second pee break they've taken, by the way. Six hours, man. Six hours, yeah, there's some trust here. And these are older people, too.

You're not going to have to pee once in a while. So during the roadside restroom break, at this point, here is what Samuel Peeble said. Okay. He gets out and he said, I knew this was my only chance to live. I hunched down in my seat and grabbed Suzanne's gun out of the driver's side door. He had a door panel that had a gun on it. He's got one too. He said, yep, when he came back to the vehicle, I shot what I thought was four times,

but the police later told me that I emptied all nine shots. God, doom. Four of them hit Scott, by the way. Is that right? Yes. So he opens fire on Scott. He's trying to come back in the van, hits him with four shots out of the nine bullets, which is not bad.

Despite his wounds, he somehow Scott keeps coming forward, gets up and pistol whips Dr. Peoples in the head. Oh my God. Okay. Then he wrestles with him

and takes the revolver away and beats the doctor now he starts pistol whipping him with the 380. Just beating him with the 380 now, the one that he brought. While he's on the ground, Scott also kicks him in the head

a bunch of times after he beats him with the gun. now Mrs. Peebles, Suzanne, she jumps in and try to help her husband, so he turns the gun on her, a 380, the same one he stole. He said, I'm not going to kill your husband, I'm going to kill you. Right. And puts the gun right to her forehead and pulls the trigger. But it won't shoot because it has no fucking firing pin. Right.

There's no firing pin. He doesn't know it until right now. He told her, I'm going to kill you. Click, clack, cocked it. tries to shoot her in the fucking head and it didn't work. Oh, boy. Doesn't work. He then pistol lips her

with the gun and runs away. Because what else are you going to do? Yeah. Yeah. He gets them out of the, they're all out of the van, so he runs back to the van, hops in the van, and drives away in their van leaving them injured on the side of the room. Okay.

Okay. Pistol whip. He then stops at the store, at a convenience store for bandages and first aid supplies because he's got four fucking bullets in him. Yeah. Which is, it's amazing he's not, he's still walking around. He has no money. So he

just shows the clerk his gun, bleeding everywhere. So he's taking these things. And the clerk said, take whatever you want. No problem. Hey, I ain't here to bother anybody. I'm not going to interrupt your robbery. So he gathers up some supplies. That's all he took was a bunch of supplies.

Leaves. And the second he leaves, The clerk calls the cops, obviously. Officers get there, but he's already gone. Yeah. This guy is a ghost, I swear to Christ. So then a patrol car in Lufkin, Texas spots the Peebles van. Puts the lights on, he pulls over. Really?

They come up to the car. It's him. He gets out of the car without a fight. Nothing. Hands over his head. They take him without a fucking, without a struggle to the hospital. They arrest him. Gunshot wounds and he knows he needs help.

He knows he needs help. He's fucked. He can't just bleed out. So he pulled over and let him arrest him. That was that. All right. 37 days he was gone for. Unbelievable.

37 days on the lamb. Un-fucking believable. Took a terrible shot doctor to bring this shit down. Yeah. Not before shots. It's pretty good. Should have hit him with all of them, right? Four out of nine, around a thing out of your van.

That's not. bad. That's pretty goddamn good. I think that's while the guy's trying not to get hit, too, that's pretty good. And he had a gun too that he thought he was firing back. He was a lot of pressure. And he didn't know that that guy's gun didn't work. That's what I mean. So that's not bad for an old man for some old doctor. So from this, there's a big article that says family regains calmer nights with capture. They say the sun was shining again for Kathy Biggs and her family. She said it feels like we're free because they said, They've actually, it's been more than a month since they could take a walk or go anywhere, not in fear. They kept waiting for him to pop up. So they said he's, you know, here, the investigators told the family that Scott may have planned to kill them all, and the family has been in hiding since the attacks. Carla Wright, who was beaten with a shotgun, said, this is the happiest grandmother in Oklahoma, we're just so relieved.

Tyler Montgomery, they said at this point, who was shot at least twice, still has pellets in his spinal. column and his heart at that point before they... In his heart. They had to have seven surgeries to fix him all up. They said he's undergoing therapy three times a week

and is expected to make a full recovery. He wants to see his friends again and go back home to DePue. Zay left town. They said for a while, though, he will stay with relatives and Chandler where he feels safer.

They said he's not ready to go back. Now her daughter, so she does have a daughter, Rianne, 18, is the homecoming queen, by the way, Kathy's daughter. Yeah. who will, she had to be accompanied by police for a seniors night event

because they were scared that she would, she was part of it. I mean, that's a, that's a cock block if you're her date. Yeah, right. Otherwise, it's like, sorry, people want to murder me. So, you know, you know how it goes. I'm very important. They said that she's ready to return to normal. She's also not only homecoming queen, a candidate for valedictorian.

Wow. So they said she's five weeks behind in class, but she's been trying to keep up while she's in. hiding and they said she's so excited to be able to go back to school. I bet school's great for her. She's hot and smart. Jesus. Everybody would love that. Who the fuck wouldn't like school if you were

hot and brilliant? Shit. And popular? Yeah, everybody's trying to fuck you. Teachers are complimenting you. Yeah, this is horrible. Can't wait to get out of here. Shit. So. Contemplating what college I'm going to go to while also

contemplating which guy I'm going to let kiss and finger men. Yeah. Which one of the football team co-captains, I'm going to let finger me tonight. Jesus. So Scott is at the hospital. Yeah. They stabilize him medically.

And then he gives a full statement of what the fuck happened. Well, his version of what happened anyway. His statement is consistent with evidence in certain areas and inconsistent in others. And basically inconsistent when it's convenient for him to not tell the truth. Inconsistent when it will hurt him. Exactly. Yeah. Yep.

He said at June of 2002, he and his wife divorced, and in September he left his home in Detroit on a bicycle intending to ride to San Diego. He said he met Kathy Biggs after, you know, we told you how they met, met her on October 1st, 2002, stayed one day in Depew, then left to continue his bike ride from San Diego to San Diego. Right. He said, because this is what I mean, this is where the New Mexico stuff comes up. I think it's here in the timeline. So he said when he got to San Diego, he called Kathy and she asked him to come back to DePue for Thanksgiving. Okay. So he returned to DePue and remained there through September.

He said on December 13th, Kathy, quote, threw her husband out of the house and he and Kathy began a relationship living together for approximately a month. He said in March of 2003, Kathy called him in Detroit and asked him to come and live with her. So he said somewhere in here he went back to Detroit and then came back. In the middle of April 2003, by that time, they were living in an apartment in Tulsa. Kathy had the nursing job in Lawton and told him that he didn't need to work. You know, I'll take good care. Oh, my God. That's going to be.

Stay at home husband? That's going to be a lie. There's no way she called this guy up and was like, hey, come from Detroit and stay with me. You don't even have to work. You just give me that good dick all the time and I'll just work and support you. I work six on, six off and suck it in my free time. Yeah, that's what I mean. That's why it's convenient for.

Yeah. It's convenience. I'll work six days and then fuck you for six. Well, yeah, you go six on six, six on still. I'm six on, six on. Is that how it works. So the relationship he said was fine until July when problems with their children and money necessitated that he get a job.

which we haven't heard much of him working at all in this show. Not a bit of it, yeah. He said he hitchhiked from Lawton to Tulsa to get his things out of the apartment. So I'm not getting a job. Shit, I'll leave first. And then he found that the locks had been changed. So he pried open the front door, as one does. Yeah.

And found that all of his things had been thrown out. Bullshit. So he admitted to spending two days in the apartment until the police arrested him for burglary and the violation of the protection. protective order. I did order 36 hours of straight pornography. That I did. That's a fact. Of tug bait. Yeah. That's all I got is wild. He also admitted to throwing all of her shit out and destroying whatever he didn't throw out. He said that he bonded out of jail one day before his preliminary hearing for that. And that's when he hitchhiked to Depew. Wow. He said he spent

the night in an abandoned car next to the cantrells. And he said that while he was lying in the car, he heard the Cantrells leave their home, and he snuck to the back of the house, went through an open window, found a single shot 410 shotgun and shells inside and loaded the gun. Now, this is the other thing, too. He claims he wasn't out to harm, Kathy.

That wasn't the point of all this. He just wanted to tell her to stop having him arrested. He said, I just want to talk to her and say, stop having me arrested so I can just leave DePue and this relationship, and you'll never see me again. But you can't keep having me arrested because then I'll never get out of here, essentially. So I stole this shotgun to make you let me say this.

To let you know that I mean you no harm. I figure I point this shotgun at you. I've brought this shotgun to let you know I'm not a threat. That's exactly what it was. So he said, I'm at the house. I'm waiting for her and the Cantrell's return. He said he confronted Mrs. Cantrell first. He told her no one's going to get hurt

And Mrs. Cantrell sat down at a table And then a few minutes later Mr. Cantrell comes in because it takes him a while to get there He said that Mr. Cantrell was worried about his wife's heart condition under the stress Both Mr. and Mrs. Cantrell repeatedly asked him what he wanted And offered them offered him their car money Anything they could give them just please get the fuck out of my house That's it they didn't care

So then he pulled them into the bathroom because someone knocked on the door. So he said, get the bathroom. Let's go. Force them into the bathroom. When the person left, he quote, and this is according to him, he said he, quote, sat back down and was drinking some Dr. pepper and eating Tostito's crackers trying to figure out what I was going to do. A couple of diabetics have Dr. Pepper in the house. It is the Texas, Oklahoma.

What even are those? Tostitos and crackers. Oh, chips and crackers. Chips and crackers. Shugging a Dr. Pepper. Yep. Trying to figure out what I was going to do. He said he talked to Mrs. Cantrell for approximately 20 to 25 minutes during which time she moved over to the couch.

He said, quote, Mrs. Cantrell had me talked out of waiting for Kathy to come home. Talked them out of me. Yeah. I waited for Kathy to come home to tell her I was not going or I was not going. I was not going to turn her in and that she could quit finding reasons to have me arrested that I just wanted to get out of there. Turn her in for what? I don't know what he's talking about. By this time, he said Mr. Cantrell was sitting in the chair and Mrs. Cantrell had just left.

So they switched spots. He said, Scott said he walked over to the table, leaned the gun up against the side of the table and grabbed a glass of water. He said he then walked back to Mrs. Cantrell and said, all right, fine, I'm going to leave. Give me your car keys. Okay. He said at that point, there's a big boom. And he sees that Mr. Cantrell went and grabbed the shotgun and fired it at him. But instead of hitting him, he hit Mrs. Cantrell, his own wife.

Oh. And also got him in the hand a little bit. with the pellets too. It's got a little bit grazed in the hand, but she got the brunt of it. He said the shot was only fired from eight to ten feet. I mean, he was right there. He said, I then lunged at Mr. Cantrell,

grabbed the gun and screamed at him, asking, why'd you fire the gun? Gee, I wonder. He said he then hit Mr. Cantrell on the left side with the butt of the gun. He described his struggle with Mr. Cantrell for the gun and admitted to hitting him in the head with the shotgun numerous times, quote, until he stopped attempting to get up.

I think I believe that. That part I believe, but I don't believe that he shot his wife. No. That didn't happen. No. Because they said the way he described it was he picked it up and shot him, and it's impossible for him to do that. So that's why he's trying to put it on a dead man.

I do believe that he beat him with the gun until he stopped trying to get up. Right. that I believe. The way he said it, it was, it's far too exact of how he's dead. Yep. Just not in a struggle for the gun, probably. Right. He made himself, he made himself a martyr and defended the honor of that poor old lady who just shot.

How dare you kill your own wife? I will not have it in my presence. Now, I could see he shoots the gun, hits her, he goes to reload. Mr. Cantrell grabs the gun. They struggle. Then he beats him. It's not him grabbing it for Mr. Cantrell. it's the other way around.

Probably. If I had to guess. He tells the cops that he hit Mr. Cantrell in the head with the gun, quote, just to knock him out. I wasn't trying to kill him, he says. So I beat him repeatedly with it. Yeah. He admitted. Yeah, you don't want to use the rifle in that area because people are going to hear that.

So two, one shot goes away in a sack. Yeah. Two shotgun blast. What was that? What the fuck was that? Yeah. One blast was that? Where was that?

Outside? I don't know. You listen for more. There's nothing. go, I don't know, whatever, and you keep going about your day, especially in rural Oklahoma. There's a gunshot every once in a while. Boom, and then what was that? And that gets attention.

Then they're hyper-focused on where it's coming from. You hear the second one, you go, oh, that was that way. Plus, he has to reload it, too. So that's the other problem, yeah. He admitted in hindsight that he did hit Mr. Cantrell too hard. He said, got AJ pretty good. He said he didn't mean to. Didn't mean to hit him so hard, but things just spun out of control,

the adrenaline goes. And you know, when you're beating an old man with a shotgun, it's hard to control yourself. How many times have you been beating an old man with a shotgun? And you're like, wow, that's more beating. That's more beating than I really wanted to inflict here. That's crazy. Yeah, you hit them.

Then you go, oh, so easy. Oh, man. It gets good. It gets fun. His skull just wants it. It just wants to be hit with a ride. It's like it bounces back and back and forth. It sucks it in is what it does.

He said he believed that Mr. Cantrell was brief. but unconscious, but he thought Mrs. Cantrell was dead. So he dragged Mrs. Cantrell's body to the bathroom first, or Mr. Cantrell's body, and left him on the floor. He said he then sat down

for about an hour and had a snack. Wow. He's always munchy, this guy. Just always. This motherfucker's a snack in a son of a bitch? He said, during that time, the phone rang two different times and someone came to the door

knocked a few times and left. This is the second person coming to the door. He said, fearing that someone was really, trying to get in touch with the victims. He dragged Mrs. Cantrell's body to the bathroom as well. He said he could see Mr. Cantrell was still breathing. So he placed Mrs. Cantrell's body on top of him to prevent him from getting up. Oh, boy. Okay. He said he returned to his snack then. Imagine dragging a bloody, dead old lady in a bathroom and putting her on her dead husband and then being like, man, peckish.

Got to have some. A little something. Stitos and crackers. So then he was trying to think of a way out of of there. Yeah. So when Carla came over covered in blood, she did see them dead on the floor in the bathroom but thought they were scarecrow's. Right. So they would have been found way earlier. Yeah.

He said that he decided to leave when he saw Tyler Montgomery pull up in the driveway across the street. And his plan, he said, was to go over there. I bet Tyler knows where his mama's at. Yeah. The plan was to go over there and force Tyler at gunpillar. point to tell him where Kathy was. Okay.

He said he walked in the front door of the home and told Tyler not to move. He said, but that damn kid never listens. You know, 16 year olds. He got up. What's 16 year old, well, ever. He got up, ran down the hallway. I fired at him. He said he saw the shot mark in Tyler's back and Tyler fell to the floor.

He said, I only meant to hit him in the ass or the legs or something, though. I wasn't trying to hit him in the back. Wasn't going for center man. You know, pop him in the ass there. He then saw Kathy's 60-year-old mother Carlet in the kitchen and heard her scream. He stepped over Tyler's body, went into the kitchen, hit her with the butt of the shotgun above her left eye. Okay. He then hit her two or three more times in the face with his fist, he said, as well.

Okay. As she fell to the floor, he saw Tyler run out of the house, so he chased Tyler to the pickup truck and jumped in the back and started to drive away as Tyler started to drive away. So he admitted reloading the shotgun and firing a shot through the back window of the truck in an attempt to hit Tyler, which he did. He said Tyler ducked. And he said, I wasn't trying to kill him. I only shot him to try to get him to stop the truck. You didn't have to get in the truck to begin with. You dove into the bed of a moving pickup.

Right. What the fuck? You have caused this. You literally made this bed. Yeah. You made it to the bed of the pickup. Now you got to fucking bounce around in it. Sorry.

And bounce the fuck around as you go through ditches. He said when Tyler drove the truck into the pole, that's when he hit the cab of the truck. And that's how his head got damaged. He told police that he, quote, never got to reload the third because he bounced the crap out of me. So Tyler's, his quick thinking got, that saved his life. He would have shot him again, but he couldn't ever get the shell reloaded because he was too busy hanging on for dear life. he said that as Tyler ran off, he got and tried the truck and tried the key,

but the truck wouldn't start, you know, because he just rammed it in a fucking giant pole as hard as he could go. So he said that's when he started walking, and a guy picked him up and asked if he could take him to the hospital. He said, I mean, sure.

What the hell? Why not? He said he got in the car and told the driver he needed to get some things at home first, but as they drove toward Bristow, the driver stopped at a house that he didn't know. So Scott said he just got out of the car

and told the driver, I'll get myself to the hospital. I'll handle it. He left out all the rest of the... What about... Yeah, what about the part where you chased him like the T-1,000? Nope, that didn't happen at all. He's fine there. He then said that he knew the police were looking for him

and he was staying out in the fields hiding in straw bails. That's what he was doing. He said, after patterning their roots, he left the area and hit out in the woods for about three, four days near Bristow. patterning the cop's roots of how they search here and how the planes and helicopters go. He said, then he went into a house in Bristow because he needed water.

He hadn't had water in like two days. Oh. So he went in, ate some pizza, ate drank some water, stole some clothes, left his bloody clothes and stole the 380 handgun. So funny that he left his clothes.

And the hamper is the great part. At least he put it where it goes. That's so funny. He broke in. I mean, he could have done whatever. He's like, well, that goes there. Let me make sure. I'm going to take your shirt, but I'm going to leave one.

Yeah. I may as well put it where they go. Then he shaved and made sure to wipe the sink down real, real good. Washed his whiskers down. And squeegeed the shower door. And he's like, all right, I think I'm, I left this house in better shape than I found it in. It's time for me to head on out. How scrubbing bubbles the walls of this shower?

I think so. It hasn't been done in a while. It hasn't been done in a while. I think I'll do it. It's clear. I can see the water spots. I see soaps come. I'm going to fix that.

So he then said that he stole the gun to. He said he headed west to the river and followed it for 11 days until he was back into Pew. Then he snuck into the Methodist Church storage food building and stayed there for three weeks. It's unbelievable. That's amazing. He said the woman, a woman came into the building two or three times while he was there. Yeah. On the morning of 23rd, the woman saw him and screamed and ran.

He had been able to hide the other times. He heard her coming. He didn't hear her coming this time. He said he just walked out the back door where her keys were still hanging, got on her Toyota, and zigzagged south and east until I ran out of gas in Arkansas. Oh, shit. He said, then he stood by the car until a doctor and his wife picked him up. And he admitted that at about quarter mile down the road after they picked him up,

he pulled out the 380 and told them he needed to take their van. Scott then told them that they didn't want They didn't want to give him their car And that Sammy said he'd drive him wherever he needed to go But he's not giving up his van Right Which I doubt Sam means everything to me

It means all the world Scott then told him he didn't want to hurt anyone He just needed to get out of there And he said they drove through Texas into Arkansas When they stopped for a break at Diball Texas Diball, D-I-B-O-L Texas That's when Sammy fired the gun at me and he said although I'd been shot I still wrestled Sammy for the gun he said he hit

sammy twice in the head with the 380 because they lost the gun Sammy they had lost the gun sammy used i don't know how they lost it fell um must have fell and got kicked under the seat or something when suzzy under the truck when suzanne came to help and asked him not to kill her husband he hit her in the head with the gun and drove off in their van he does not say that yeah leaves that the part where he puts a gun to a 70 year old lady's forehead and Pulls the trigger. He said he drove to a convenience store where he was asked about his injuries. And when he said he'd been shot, the police and ambulance were called and he was arrested here.

And here I am. So that's his story. Harrowing tale. Harrowing tell. Sounds harder on him than anybody, doesn't it? They really did put him out, you know? I mean, very inconvenient. I had to stay in a church for three weeks because you sons of bitches was looking for me.

Wouldn't leave me alone. why the hell wouldn't he just keep going? Why the fuck wouldn't, why would you stay here? He made it all the way to San Diego. Why did he come back? That's what, well, that was when before the murders. Right. Yeah.

I don't know. I cannot imagine sitting in San Diego listening to the ocean and going, I really got to get back to Depew, Oklahoma. I really do. I'm eating a fish taco. This is delicious. And, you know, but. The sea gold probably stole his taco.

And maybe that's a lot of food. He said, damn this place and they're Baja bullshit. I won't do it. I don't know what happens. So the ride back to Oklahoma, they extradite him back to Oklahoma because he's arrested in Texas, a guy named Ed Willingham, who's an investigator with the Creek County District Attorney's Office, picks him up from Texas in Paris. Yeah.

Lovely this time of year, Paris, it is. Paris, Texas. They have so many places named after somewhere else. That's how bad Texas is. And then they're like, we ran out of Europe names. Name that one, Gun Barrel City. Perfect. So they transport him to Oklahoma.

Now, this guy said that during the interview with Scott, Scott never expressed any remorse for his crimes. Although he said he wasn't proud of what he had done and he was angry that none of his victims did what he told them to do. He was mad at them. He was like, why wouldn't they just listen to me? Nobody listens to him. No. I've seen so many movies. You whip out a gun.

They do what you tell them to do. These people do not follow directions for shit. This is not fair. Why does nobody respect him? That's what it is. Nobody. Nobody. He held a knife to a woman's neck while he duct taped her and raped her.

And as soon as he was done, she was like, I'm going to the cops, motherfucker. Get out. As soon as he was done, he was done, she said, get the fuck out is what she said. which is like yeah this guy gets no respect none and I think it's the eye I really do I think it's a goofy eye like fuck out of here with your cross-eyed ass man

watching you with your lazy shit yeah but they were big and funny yeah but nobody respected them he must have had that thing that I see commercials for now that fucking with some lady

old lady talking about her eyeballs used to bulge out now she feels better yeah like okay take this medicine and your eyes won't bulge out. He'd have taken that and it had ruined his career. It'd been over for him. Not funny anymore. Once they were back in Oklahoma,

he does one honest thing. He directs law enforcement to the location of the 4-10 shotgun, went with the officers to search for it. They couldn't find it on day one, but on day two, they find the gun located near a creek. So they do get the murder weapon. It contained a shell casing, which had not been fired. So the experts determined the gun.

had been at that location for about four weeks, so it's the right gun. And loaded. And loaded. Yeah, he had it loaded up. So, yeah, they said, how are Tyler and Carla? How about that? Let's find out that. Let's check in with them.

They said that Mark Biggs said that Tyler, quote, is doing great. They took him off his ventilator. He sat in a chair today. Oh, lovely. Isn't that nice? I'm doing that right now. Look at that. Didn't even, no one's bragging about it, though.

I'm only telling nobody. about this. My mother should really tell the newspaper about this. I'm sitting. They start bragging on me, Mom. She said, or he said, but he's real weak. He doesn't want to talk about it. And, you know, Carla said that she's recovered, but that the, I mean, she said the, the whole thing resembles what she called a twilight zone of disbelief. Yeah. Which is a, not a bad title for a show. I got to be honest, Twilight Zone of Disbelief isn't bad. that's pretty good I've got to write that down

so anyway yeah that's what she said also what about the church lady yeah remember her remember the poor church lady doy right

with the with the Toyota that got stolen well lifelong Depew resident doy Petrie today will get a van to replace her car stolen and used as a getaway car

by murder suspect Scott as member Eismember Petrie will share a $3600 reward with Samuel Peebles, a doctor from Nashville, Arkansas, who was kidnapped along with his wife. Petrie said Tuesday, she was thrilled to learn she'd be receiving another vehicle.

The stolen car, an 87 Toyota Corolla was her daughters. She said, I'm happy because I need something to get around in. I have to go quite a bit. I don't know what I would have done to deserve all of this, but I surely appreciate it. Okay. I mean, that's not an even swap. I mean, you get more things inside your van, obviously, but that's going to suck so much gas. Her daughter still has no car, though.

This is her daughter's car. Right. They gave her a car. Fuck your daughter. Fuck your daughter, which is crazy. She said, oh, okay, yeah, no, they said, as for the old car, she said her chief concern was to retrieve her wallet from the vehicle. That's all she cared about. That's her daughter's.

It's her daughter, but she had her car in there. The residents are raising money to cover tag title and tax on her new car. they feel bad for. Wow, they're going to take care of everything for. Fuck, yeah. They said also banks will host an appreciation event for law enforcement officers involved in the hunt for Scott Eisenberg. And the event is planned for a Saturday at the Bristow automobile dealer's lot. Okay.

We're going to give them some appreciation for missing the closet and. Yeah. For missing, yeah, all that shit. So, bail. Now, okay. Does he get bail? He's fucking better or not. He jumps it. No, he's denied bail on the murder counts. But on the other counts he's arrested for, he has set bail at $50,000 each on those counts, but no bail for the murder. So you're there.

There's also a whole separate federal case because kidnapping the Peebleses is and driving them across state lines is a federal crime. That's a kidnapping and across state lines. It's kidnapping, carjacking, and using a fire. arm in a crime of violence. Oh, bad. Shit, he's in trouble. Now, we thought this, all the carnage is over, right? Yeah.

It is not. Okay. February 2005, right before the trial. I mean, the week of the trial, starting. The Cantrell's daughters, here, they have three daughters.

Remember? The Cantrell's daughters are all going to go to the trial every day, and they're going to watch this. Well, Linda is the youngest daughter. Linda Gay Cantrell. They said she struggled badly after her parents' murders, and it gets worse because she's dead. What?

She's dead, the week of the trial. Why? Well, let's find out. It's not good. It's fucking horrible. Oklahoma City police say that Freddie Leroy Wheeler 49 apparently killed his girlfriend, Linda Cantrell, 43, then shot himself to death. What? Murder, suicide?

Murder fucking suicide. Dude, this family was in perfect shape, perfectly intact. Everything was fine. Now everyone's being murdered by everyone. Now everything's in trouble. It's crazy, man. Oklahoma police sergeant said that Phillips said an emergency, this is a guy, Charles Phillips said emergency dispatchers received a call it 1256 a.m. Wednesday

from a woman who said her ex-husband had called and said he had just killed his girlfriend and was about to kill himself. Oh, boy. He killed her, then called his ex-wife to talk about it. Wow. Yeah. They said very shortly after that, she heard a gunshot. He killed himself on the phone with it. Did it on the phone.

There was no response from her ex-husband. Which is, I want to show you what I did. I want to show you my mess is what this is. Well, I killed the person that I supposedly love now. But I used to love you too. This is your fault, is what he's saying. Let me kill myself on the phone. And I want you to live with this for the rest of yours.

Police found the bodies of Wheeler and Cantrell at the residence. They said they didn't know any motive for the shootings. They said Wheeler was arrested in 93 for public drunkenness and for assault and battery in 95. Wheeler had a grown daughter who Linda had come to know. Now, Deborah, the oldest sister of the group here, Linda's sister, said she was so stunned by her sister's death, she had to be sedated at the hospital because of hyperventilation. She needed a shot. Well, think about it.

These people, their parents have been murdered. And now her baby sister is dead. And we're just about to go. So think about going up to the murder trial, the nerves they would have, the stress. And now the sister's dead, too. I think you'd just lose your mind. And it's three people in her family. Linda's probably not that old.

No, she's 43. No, I mean, what's the older sister, Deborah? Deborah. No, yeah, she's in maybe 50, 49. Yeah, but to have three people of your immediate family dying violent ways in the most violent. In two different occasions, it's fucked up. It's fucked up. Now, Deborah said she had not seen Wheeler since high school when he showed up at an auction that the Cantrell sisters held a few months ago to sell some of their parents' belongings. She met him because of the tragedy.

Yep, well, no, they knew each other before in high school, but hadn't seen each other in 25 years. Because of the tragedy. They said that Deborah said that Wheeler was not married, and she thought he and Linda, quote, might have some things in common. She set them up. Oh, no. The two had been together since then. She said he seemed like a fine guy. The sister also said she spoke with Linda on the phone about 10 p.m., so three hours before it happened.

and she said, quote, everything was fine. He was actually fixing her something to eat. Linda then told her sister, he's so good to me, to which Deborah replied, I'm so glad that you finally have somebody who's good to you. Three hours later, murder suicide. Unbelievable. Linda had been married twice. She worked in the car business, mostly in finance.

She told Deborah that she was considering returning to college. Deborah said Linda was a smart, bright girl. And they said that Linda said she will, I'm sorry, Deborah said she will attend every day of Scott Eisenberg's trial, quote, for mom and dad. She said, I'm going to make it by the grace of God somehow. She said, I don't know how much we're supposed to deal with in life. It's just too much. It's just too overwhelming. That's more than you should usually.

How much more shit can you take? So trial time, prosecution, by the way, is going for the death penalty. You have to. They have to with that. So there anyway. Deborah is thrilled that they're going for the death penalty. Frile. She said it's all we've ever wanted.

You got the same reaction. I went, I don't like that. Weird. It's weird. Everybody grieves different and all that, but that wasn't the way my family grieved. It's all we've ever wanted. Them to try to kill a man. It's all I could ask for in life.

So Deborah Wyatt here told that. Another daughter, Marcia, said that if Scott has executed, quote, that'll be our first holiday. I hope we all live to see it. Listen, guys, I get the grief, but this isn't helping. You're allowed to say some callous-ass shit after somebody did some callous-ass shit. No, it's true. Don't say it until a microphone. No.

No. I mean, like I said, they're the victims, family. They grieve how they want. But I judge you for being like that, period. You don't care probably. But if you consider taxpayer-funded murder a holiday, you're fucking weird. I don't care. That's pretty.

It makes me not want to hang out with you, basically. I get it. It's fine. You have the right to feel like that. But we're not pals now. You're weird. So it says, no, my family did. They were just like, I just want this to be over with.

It wasn't, I kill that bitch who killed my grandma. mother. That wasn't what they said. We're going to tailgate it. We got brought to dogs. We had to hear later. What? Like I said, understandable. But Kathy here, Kathy said that she would like to see him get the death penalty, quote, he deserves it. Okay, that's a normal response. Like to see him get it. He deserves it. And she's the one he was after. Now, defense attorney here indicated he may file a motion for a change of venue because of publicity. And, he's the one. She's the one he was after. Now, defense attorney here indicated he may file a motion for a change of venue because of publicity. and all that sort of thing here. He said moving the trial would change the jury pool and could make the case less comfortable

and a little more awkward for the prosecution's case, but it's not going to complicate it, is what the prosecution said. So he signed a waiver of his right to speedy trial so he can have some time to gather the evidence. Before the hearing, they said that it was obvious that some tension remained between some Cantrell family members and Biggs.

They're mad at her. Oh. Yeah. As Big sat in the courtroom. Kathy? Yes. Kathy, whose son was shot and mother was beaten with a shotgun. Yeah, I mean, she destroyed a home, though, and, you know what I mean, fucked a murderer.

Oh, yeah. That's her business, though. Yeah. That's what they're judging her for, huh? They said, one of them said, beats, which one is beats? now, I can't remember. Marcia Beetz. That is the middle daughter

of the Cantrells. She got married, so it's Beetz. Marsha Beetz told her as she came in the courtroom, quote, I don't know why you come. Do you like seeing him? I guess it's because she slept with the guy that killed people

in her family. But that was before. I didn't fucking sense. That's what I mean. She's not there defending him. She wasn't with him at the time. I'm not here to blow kisses. Yeah.

That's letting the grief control your life, too. I think it shows character personally. No, I mean, it's like being drunk. When you lash out like that, it's allowing that event to contribute to it. You're re-victimizing yourself every single day that you harbor that resentment and anger. No, it's not good for you. No, it's really not. Yeah.

It's really not. You turn into an asshole. In this way, I really do think when this type of shit happens, it is the same thing as being really drunk. I think your true character comes out because you, you turn into an asshole. especially if you're the victim's family, and we've been there before you, you can say anything and no one's going to tell you shit. So what you says,

exactly. So you can really go far. Yeah. It shows a lot of character of how you handle this. But the public raw, raw. I get why you're mad. Yeah.

The public rah-rah for the people that fucking do this shit in the, in the guy's face. You know, I'm not going to name names. There's been public. There's plenty where you're like, very recently. And it's fucking, they should be embarrassed. It's embarrassing. It's embarrassing.

It is. The only one, there's literally only one that I understood. And it was that black lady that told Jeffrey Dahmer that she hates him and charged him. That lady was awesome. Outside of that, everybody else has done like, it's crazy. It's a spectacle. And it's absolutely true.

We've told the story before. My family had murder in it. And we didn't do any of this. And that just wasn't the way we did. Everybody was like, well, as long as she goes to prison and she's caught, that's fine. We just didn't want to be in it anymore. We didn't want to be in the midst of it. I'm going to go down there and I want her to get the death penalty.

We're going to sit there every day. We're not doing that. It's not bringing anybody back. It's not helping anything. It's not helping. It just doesn't do anything. Shouting from a bullhorn. Yeah.

Sing songs and make parodies and put murder him in it. Yeah. Well, I mean, with my great grandmother too, We found out the chick was like 21 years old and was a crackhead since she was 14 or something. She was a mess. You know what I mean? Her life sucked. Who knows what the hell happened to her?

So what are we going to kill her too? It's not worth it. So the defense here contends that his statements shouldn't be allowed in. His confessions should not be allowed in because he was under medication for pain from three gunshot wounds when he gave the statement to the FBI and then the other sheriff's department and everything else. So his defense attorney said that Scott has had a tube in his chest to drain his lung, an IV tube and a catheter when he was questioned by the FBI on November 23rd and 4th. He was questioned within hours of being admitted to the hospital for the gunshot wounds and was placed in a coercive environment with as many as five law enforcement officers in or near his room, they said. And he was handcuffed to his hospital bed. Well, they're pulling all kinds of liquids out of him.

Anything he's got. The district chick down there jerking him off. It was anything we can get out of him. He had a catheter in for Christ, say. Yeah, you couldn't even do that. But assistant district attorney, Mike Loughler, said that testimony from law enforcement officers showed that he was alert and responsive and was not on any drugs other than ibuprofen for pain relief. So they didn't even give him good drugs. You ever said some wild shit because you took too much Advil chance?

All the time. Yeah, about 726 times when we've done this show before. So the district judge ruled that the murder suspect, Scott Eisenberg, voluntarily gave two confessions and they are coming in. They said he was in full possession of his mental abilities when he waived his rights. He knew the consequences, two waving his waiving his rights and tough shit, basically. So it goes. Now, will the Kathy Biggs past violence be allowed in? The fact that he knife point.

Oh, the rape with the knife and all that stuff? All that kind of shit. Well, apparently, he argues, in his argument to not let her shit be in, she was not a victim in this case. Therefore, evidence of past altercations between the two of them wasn't admissible to prove motive or intent for the homicides and assaults in this case. That's what he said. That's the main target, wasn't she? Yes, exactly. They said, too, that evidence of previous altercations between spouses is relevant to the issue of intent.

This has been extended to individuals in a close or dating relationship. Legally, they allow that. They say, although Kathy Biggs was not physically injured in the crime spree, she was the target. Therefore, evidence of his threats and prior violence, violent conduct toward her was relevant in showing his motive, intent, and his threats to hurt her and her family were not merely idle talk. Yeah. He also says that he doesn't want the fact that. in one of the violent attacks that she told police that he, quote, wouldn't stop when he choked her. He just kept choking her.

And this was pretrial stuff here. And they said that he phoned her to tell her at one point, too, that he wouldn't stop until he was finished. That was another thing they didn't want in. They said this was not other crimes evidence included in the state's pretrial notice. but the depue the crimes that helped give the jury a more complete picture of the circumstances comprising the crimes on trial. You got to let all that end. Prosecution in their opening. They say this asshole crushed A.J. Cantrell's skull and shot Patsy Cantrell at a short range with a shotgun.

It's fucked up. They claimed the Cantrell's pleaded for mercy and even offered to pray for Scott and give him their car and complied with most of his demands before they were executed. That's fucked up. That's fucking sad shit. Had them desperate. Desperate. Yeah.

Now Mark Biggs, dad here, of Tyler and X of Kathy, this poor bastard. This poor bastard. I feel bad for him. I really do. So they talk about all of that. Mark Biggs testified to the circumstances of his introduction to Scott. He said that at Carla Wright's request. He picked him up at the bus station.

And then Scott had told him that his wife and children were killed in a traffic accident, which now he knows isn't true. And he told him about the, he told, Scott told Mark here that he and Kathy were in love. And I'm going to get this court settlement for $8 million, he tells Mark. Eight million. Yeah. And he said basically, when I get my thing, I will buy you out of this house. house and basically I'll pay you to go away quietly. Why did he do that?

Don't know. I don't know. Here's another thing they talk about. Was he actually shot by the shotguns? Because his claim is Mr. Cantrell shot Mrs. Cantrell and in the mix of it, he got hit in the hand a little bit. Yeah. So after his arrest, a Captain James Galloway of the Angelina County Sheriff's Office photographed his hand because he'd claimed he'd hurt it back in Oklahoma.

These photos, which Scott's own defense investigators later found in the file, showed small healing wounds. His lawyers argued that this proved that A.J. Cantrell shot him during the struggle corroborating his story. Couldn't have hurt his hand any other way living in the woods for 10 days. And small healing wounds are shotgun pellets. Is not going to do that. No. They said that they couldn't say whether the wounds were fresh or even if they were caused by birdshot. And the medical examiner noted that Scott could just have easily have gotten those injuries while wrestling a revolver away from this guy, flying around a pickup truck with this one, grabbing things in the woods and being ripped apart that way.

There's about 40 different ways he could add that thing happen because he was doing all sorts of crazy shit. But so they said that a man shot four times in a struggle has a lot of possible explanations for a small healing hand wound. And the court said, yeah, true. Fuck you. It's all coming in. Okay. So that's how it goes. They present all of his testimony, his statements, Kathy's statements saying what he was going to say, the cellmate saying he said he was going to get even with her.

Everybody he's encountered along the way. It's not good. You could get literally most of the town to testify to something. in this. I mean, they were all at the football game. Yeah. It's pretty bad for him. It looks bad. The prosecution in their closing said, you will hear testimony

about the next aggravating. Okay, well, let's save that actually here. Verdiq comes in. They find him guilty as balls of second degree felony murder, first degree malice murder, assault

and battery with a dangerous weapon, shooting with intent to kill, First-degree burglary, second-degree burglary. In Oklahoma? Not good. Boy, you're going to die. At all. Now, the prosecutor said you'll hear testimony about the next aggravating circumstance when they go to sex.

It's aggravating versus mitigating circumstances. That of knowingly creating a great risk of death to more than one person. You'll hear no extra testimony in second stage on that. You've already found that through your verdicts, Patsy was killed. Tyler was shot twice. Carla was attacked. It's all part of the same transaction and occurrence, the same time, the same place, practically.

Of great risk to more than one person, more than one person. You've heard the testimony about the two dead bodies and injuries to folks across the street. You've convicted the defendant on all those crimes. Risk of death to more than one person. Let me move on to risk to more than one person. Another quote unquote easy one to look at. You know what the evidence is in this case. You know the two people have been dead.

You've already convicted him of two murders. That's almost what we call in law, us in law call ipso factoes, just automatically proves danger to more than one person. He did that. Pretty fucking obvious. Yeah. So they say aggravating factors include during the commission of a murder, he knowingly created a great risk of death to more than one person. the murders especially heinous, atrocious, and cruel. Yes.

The murder was committed for the purposes of avoiding lawful arrest or prosecution, because he was out on bail. And at the present time, there exists a probability that the defendant will commit criminal acts of violence that would constitute an ongoing threat to society. Yes. Or continuing threat. They bring in witnesses. They bring in the cop who drove him to Oklahoma saying he had no remorse. He's just pissed. They wouldn't listen to me.

They bring in Roberta, the ex-wife. What? He went, oh, fuck. We saw her coming down. Oh, no. She said we were married from 92 to 2003. We have two kids. She said he was an alcoholic.

He had trouble keeping a job and physically abused her on more than one occasion. She said the beginning in May of 2002, he became increasingly withdrawn from the family. And she said she knew nothing about his bicycle trip or time in Oklahoma. He just disappeared, didn't know where the fuck he went. That was that. Now, in mitigation, the defense is going to present 11 witnesses. They include some of his coworkers from Detroit, from one of his short-lived jobs, personnel from the county jail, his sister, his aunt, and two psychologists. They say he acted impulsively without planning.

He accepts responsibility for his acts and confessed to authorities almost immediately after being arrested. He cooperated with authorities and led them to evidence that might not. have otherwise been discovered, and he's 44 years old and not likely to commit acts of violence if confined to a prison setting. You could keep him in prison forever. He won't hurt anybody in there. He's only 44. He's only 44. They said that they presented evidence that his biological mother abused drugs and alcohol while he was pregnant with her. His mother was in a tenuous emotional state while he was an infant and committed suicide when she was nine months old.

he was cared for by his eight-year-old sister after that mainly and an alcoholic and neglectful relative until his father remarried when he was three years old his father drank heavily was emotionally detached and withdrawn from scott and his sister he was very close to his stepmother who then died at 15 of cirrhosis and um when he was 15 yeah that'd be hard to get cirrhosis by the time you're 15 you'd really have to be putting them back god damn that's impressive And the combined facts of the appellant's early life, later appellant anyway, severely affected his psychological and emotional development. Other science showed, or other evidence shows that he was a hardworking and responsible member of society before events in his life began to deteriorate. So before a couple years ago, they said he was a good and loving father whose daughter still loves and misses him very much.

And they said that he has technical skills and aptitude that could be put to good use in prison system. He could help out in there. So this goes along with the directive that the jury could decide that other mitigating circumstances exist as well. And if they should, they should consider those as well. So they're saying you don't just have to look at the mitigators that we put before you. Find some more for yourself. So the jury found the existence of two of the aggravators, great risk of death to more than

one person and the murder being especially heinous, atrocious or cruel. they find very little in the mitigating department. Stuff. Yeah. And they sentence him to, well, let's see. You, sir,

may fuck off. For Patsy's death, it's second degree felony murder. Yeah. And that is, they recommend 150 years. Not bad. For that.

Then for AJ's, that is first degree malice murder. Yeah. Death penalty for that one. You will die for that. Yep. They convicted him of shooting Tyler with the intent to kill,

of assault and battery with a danger, weapon against Carla and a burglary as well and gave various little sentences. But the 150 in the death are the... Those are the biggies. Yeah. Those are your big boys there. December 2005, a federal jury in Arkansas convicts him on the counts that he kidnapped and drove the Peebleses across state lines there.

And he's sentenced to you, sir, may fuck off again, 25 years in federal prison and a big fine. And that's after he serves the other one. That's on top of a buck 50 in death. Yeah. Yep. Okay. Now, there's some appeals here that we should talk about because there's an interesting thing here. And there's a juror, there's a couple of jurors that have some problems here.

One juror, A.S, they're just going to give initials here, wrote that a person convicted of a capital crime should be executed, that the death penalty rids society of the expense of keeping a prisoner, which that person doesn't know how to use a fucking calculator because every single death penalty. case. Every time someone's executed, that whole thing cost 20 times more than it would have cost to keep him in jail forever. So that's a load of shit. Where the fuck did they write this? On their juror form of, do you think you could fucking deal with a death penalty case? Or this might be when they're being vaudeered. I'm not sure. And also, at one point, I told the court that he simply could not consider life imprisonment for an intentional murder.

Okay, that person shouldn't be on the jury. No. You won't consider all of the things. You only consider one. You shouldn't be here. But that's not how death penalty cases work. Death penalty cases, you could say, I need everybody to die. That you're qualified.

But if you say, I'm not really, I don't believe in the death penalty, you're not qualified to be on a death penalty jury. So another juror, J.S., wrote that a guilty defendant would end up on death row and be and executed anyway and who was willing. to reschedule this guy was willing to reschedule shoulder surgery to make sure he could serve on this jury. Meanwhile, all he had to say is, I have an appointment for surgery, and they would have went,

well, you're dismissed, and that would have been that. He's so... I'll put it off to fry guy. So desperate for it. Yeah. Under questioning by defense counsel, a juror DB reiterated that she could consider all three possible punishments, all three. Do you guys have sex?

How did you have sex? All three. Whenever I hear all three of anything, I just picture that little fucking idiot sitting in there saying that he fucking gave Gypsy Rose all three. There's also the jailhouse snitch thing. Yeah. The state says he wasn't a jailhouse snitch. He was in jail for less than 12 hours.

He just happened to be in with him. And this guy within three minutes of meeting someone starts talking about who he's getting revenge on like a fucking idiot. That's not our fault. He's got a DUI. He's going to be let out as soon as he soberes off. Yeah. They said they didn't set this guy up, go in there and get information that that never happened. That would have been illegal, but they didn't do that. They didn't at all. Also, other crimes admitted into evidence. They said the mere fact that an accused commits more than one crime in a defined period of time is not by itself sufficient to admit other crimes as evidence. So he said, you shouldn't put all the other crimes in. That guy was probably upset when he started talking to. He's like, oh, don't do this. I'm going to have to go to court about this.

Oh, man. I'm already going to too much court about this DUI. I got so much going on. It's affirmed. Well, the convictions, the five-member court is unanimous, or unanimous, unanimous. The dissent, though, is taken by, because on the sentence, the court is split three to two on that in favor of the death sentence. They said that, yeah, the dissenting opinion said, I firmly believe if you take a life, you should. lose yours.

That was a quote from a juror questionnaire. He said, that guy shouldn't be on the jury. Because he doesn't have another lane to go in here. There's other appeals, federal habeas, all that shit. Anyway, he turns into a model prisoner. Model.

He doesn't have a shotgun. Yeah, that's what I mean. When he's institutionalized, he does just fine. Also, nobody will listen to him. Well, nobody respects him. They said on death rose H unit, His record was spotless. He achieved the highest most favorable security rating among death row inmates, which is, you know, you can shit on your own for 12 minutes a day.

Maybe that's about it. He earned a GED. Then he also educated himself. They said that he taught himself higher mathematics and physics and multiple foreign languages. He was reportedly the only inmate requesting specialized books in those areas. He goes for clemency. basically. At the end, it's his last thing.

Clemency in the 2010s. And one of them said that he should die. This is his petition. Scott should die on God's schedule rather than the state of Oklahoma. That's what they said there. Yeah, they talk about, but the prosecutor himself said,

I had to keep my own 14-year-old with a handgun and told him to keep it on him until this guy's caught. He said, that's a hard conversation to have of the 14-year-old. So he is not allowed to, Clemency's denied. They try to say he's got a spiritual advisor, Reverend Dr. Jeff Hood, an Arkansas-based minister, theologian, an anti-death penalty guy. Oh.

He's his spiritual advisor. They fucking say that he won't be allowed into the execution chamber because he's against the death penalty and they don't want any protests. Well, tough shit. Tough shit. Then don't have it. Then don't fucking do it. You're afraid of a reverend being mad at you? Well, then maybe don't do it if that's how you feel.

I don't recall seeing many reverends with picket signs unless they said something horrible from Westboro. No, they do. Church people protest death penalty shit all the time because it's against every tenet of Christianity. I've never seen a preacher in the death chamber walking back in. forth crossed the window with a picket sign. Never. And that's what's so stupid. They're doing it just to be punitive. And the court agrees and said, you pick whoever you want to be a religious. It's not like he picks some crazy person then said he's a religious advisor. The guy's a minister and this is what he does.

And basically he has to agree that he will not interfere or have any outbursts the same rules everybody else has. And the guy says, yes, I'm an adult. I don't have to protest in the fucking chamber, of course. So they reversed course. The day before the execution to let him in. They consulted with the Cantrell family who were worried the lawsuit might delay the execution. So they said, let whoever you want in as long as you kill him, basically. So January 12th, 2023 is execution day. Last meal, Jimmy.

January 12th. January 12th. Just two years ago. Three years ago. Yeah, three years ago. In Oklahoma, what did you get? A pork? Medium rare rib-eye steak.

Not bad. Of course, which is a good Oklahoma. They're big on beef there. And two sides of fries. A good choice. That's it. That's it. No ice cream, no nothing.

His last words were, quote, I am at peace. My conscience is clear completely. I love my children. I don't give a shit. Don't care. Then he malved, I love you. Half the press said he malved it toward his daughter. And half the press said that he was communicating with an attorney

in the far corner of the room. I think it was his daughter, probably. I assure you it was his daughter. All right. Deborah K. Cantrell Wyatt, the oldest daughter of the Cantrells, is not satisfied with this. No?

Nope. Not satisfied. What's she wants? She spent nearly 20 years as the public voice of the family, she said, was held hostage by the court system and refused to call it closure. That's not closure.

What does she want? I don't know. Stuffed the guy full of Stuffed him full of Snickers I think it's stuff him full of Snickers bars And hang him from a tree outside And let the fucking kids beat him with a stick Till it rain candy rains down upon them

I don't know what she wants She wants five healthy swings At his head with a hatchet And a shotgun blast Well yeah that's not how this works though In civilized society She said she didn't believe in the word The only real in the word closure

The only real closure would be Her parents walking back through the door Well they'd be dead anyway first of all And second of all, that's not possible. And you know that. Stop being, that's childish. And that wasn't happening. What she wanted, she said, was to detach her parents' memory from the man who killed them.

Well, that's not possible either. You can't, yeah. They were killed in a way. That's going to, it sucks. I hope she has a good therapist today. I hope, yes. I hope she has a change of heart in her therapy and she gets through the, she's angry and it's clear. And I understand that.

That's why I don't want to attack her because it's, She's hurting. That's why she's saying that she's in pain. She said that, yeah, she said she wouldn't say his name. She called the execution at most a bookend to a day almost 20 years earlier with a whole lot of stories in between. And she was blunt. She said too many people who should have been there to see this were already gone because it had taken too long. It's only taken 20 years.

That's not bad. It's pretty good for all the appeals. It's not even 18 years or something with a come on, man. After the execution, several members of the Cantrell family spoke about the pain they've endured. And it is. It's horrible pain and the length of time. A nephew said, after living this nightmare, I must say that 20 years is too long for justice to be served. We want to get it right and we absolutely want to ensure that everyone's rights are protected, but the process is much too slow.

Yeah. That makes no sense. Okay. The Cantrells are buried at the Depew, in Depew at the Oakdale Cemetery. So there you go, everybody. Depew, Oklahoma. Terrible, terrible story. That's a crazy fucking story. I hope Deborah's okay today. I do too. I do too because I don't, I could.

Going through life pissed off like that, it's no way to do it. It's not good for her. No. You know, you can be as angry as you wanted him. He's dead. You're letting him win. Well, it's affecting him zero. He's dead. That's what I mean. you're letting him win.

Yeah. You're going to eat your relationships alive. It's horrible. Your fucking spouse or whatever is going to get tired of hearing about it. Your kids are going to start backing off because they don't want to fucking. It's not good to be like that. For the rest of your life? Don't be that.

No. Step up. We're on your side. We just win. Yeah, this is too much. So anyway, there you go. Depew, Oklahoma. If you enjoyed this story, tell the world about it.

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