Smart Money Happy Hour with Rachel Cruze and George Kamel - Money Motives Hidden in Shocking True Crime Stories

Episode Date: May 23, 2024

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Hey guys, I'm Rachel Cruz. I'm George Campbell. And this is Smart Money Happy Hour. Cheers. That's delicious. What a beautiful goblet of doom we're sipping on. Wow. Well, this is the show where two friends who happen to be money experts.

Talk about what you're talking about. So everything from pop culture, current events, and money. And today we are talking about Rachel's dark side because it's a darkness that happens to have a lot of juicy money psychology involved. Dun dun dun. So we're going to just prepare. We have listeners of all ages, George. We have the youth. We have the elderly.

But if you're near the youth side or you have youth around you listening, this may be an episode that, you know, you put your earbuds in for. Maybe you pause, let the kids go in another room because we're going to talk about crime and murder and money. So we're giving you a fair warning, parents.

Fair warning. Yeah. What do you think? I think it's a fair disclaimer. Yeah. I want you getting mad. me going, my children, but... Listen, lady, that's on you.

We like true crime episodes, and we're going to talk about them. It's not super dark. I mean, it's still PG, but, you know, for some kids, this is a lot. Yeah, we don't, yeah, we have that. But you know what is alive and well? What? Lindsay. Lindsay!

You guys live in the chair. People didn't know Lindsay that you disappeared, and they were asking, where did she go? But you're here. You took some time off, and we're so happy to have you back. Do you want to share some news? We're really excited. There's some exciting news. I'm expecting.

Yes. Oh my gosh. Such wonderful news. Could you imagine a little Lindsay baby? That's going to be cute. I mean, it's just going to be the cutest little thing. And if it's Jordan or husband, it will not be little. Because Jordan is a...

That's actually very fair. He's like a Slavic God. I mean, the man is just massive. We're going to need to clip that out. He is like 6'4. He's huge. And Lindsay's like, it's like, no, Lindsay. Oh, my gosh.

He's like a Viking king, really, truly. You're filling up his ego right now. He's loving. A queen for carrying a human. Let's just give the props to who gets the props. So, Lindsay, we're so happy for you. Thank you. And we're so glad to have you back.

I'm just glad everyone can stop DMing me being like, is Lindsay okay? I know. We're worried about Lindsay. When's Lindsay coming back? She's here. She did have a lot of fans, Lynn. She's here.

I am not my sister's keeper. So we're in good spirits now. And today, Rachel, we're sipping on a black widow in honor of our true crime slash murdery episode. That's right. Good cocktail name for the old crime episode. So we're going to give it a rating, reveal the cost per glass at the end of the episode. As always, recipe in the show notes.

Okay, so to kick it off, I'm going to stage a formal intervention live on air on Smart Money Happy Hour. Oh, gosh. To who? So come clean with our audience, Rachel. To me? What? You have an addiction. Yeah, we could say maybe addiction.

I don't know. I personally don't know anyone that loves true crime as much as you do. I love stories around. murder and crime. That are true. That are true. The books that I read, some true, something,

like the books I read, I love a good mystery book of like, oh my God, there was like a murder and an affair. I'm like, they're missing, a kidnapping, like all of this stuff, right?

Like those are the books I like to read. Wow. But then you layer reality on top. And sadly, we live in a broken world, George, and stuff happens. You don't have to make stuff up these days.

Yes. And so that is presented on types of podcasts and, late nights, you know, dateline shows and all that. So I do, I will say. And we're going to get to the sort of ethical dilemma

of telling these stories for entertainment purposes while profiting off of it. So we'll get there. But any episodes that come to mind that maybe rocked your world from the Dateline days? You know, you do pick up some, like, things in life that you put in your back pocket, like a just-in-case, like if I was ever in this situation,

just-in-case. And I will never forget, There was a woman. And this was on a show called I Survived, which is also terrifying. Oh, gosh. And she was kidnapped, which I'm convinced at some point in my life it's going to happen to me. I don't know why. I don't know why.

But I am prepared. After Elizabeth Smart, all that, went downhill for Rachel. And I was like, I am ready. Pretty egotistical to think it's probably going to happen. I don't know why. I'm just always aware. And but this lady was kidnapped and she was in the back of the car. She had her cell phone still, so probably not a smart kidnapper, because I would think if you're a kidnapper,

you're going to take the phone, right? Yeah. But she dialed 9-1-1-1-1-1-1 and put it on speaker, but put down her volume so you couldn't hear the operator. And she just started screaming out where she was. So she was like, why are you driving down? I'm going to make up Nashville. I-65 heading towards downtown Nashville.

You're passing Old Hickory Boulevard exit. You're passing Harding Place exit. Why are you passing? Where are you taking me? Why did you? I mean, she's yelling out directions. And the cops. They turned him.

So I will survive. That happens. Okay. Isn't that good, though? Very easy. Yeah, unless you're blindfolded or in the trunk or they take your phone. George, that's not going to happen to me. Which are all very possible scenarios.

But sure, if they let you have your phone like you're hanging out in the back of an Uber, that could work out. Wishing you the best, Rachel. Also, good reason to have find my iPhone turned on for everyone out there, for your spouses, your loved ones. I do. I like to know what's going on. So you know what?

You can share your location with me. I'll be on high alert. Oh, thanks, George. I appreciate it. What a good friend. And I'll go find them. Thank you. I'm not scared.

I will, yeah. I'll avenge your kidnapping. I'll go full Liam Neeson. Wow. Pulling out all the stops. Me and Winston, we're going to go on a little adventure. Any excuse to hang out with Winston, even if it's your kidnapping. Love it or hate it, Rachel, fear, trauma, drama.

It holds our attention. And this isn't just dayline. There's all kinds of types of media that have capitalized on this. And podcasting is, the one that really took off. I remember cereal. Everyone remembers that show. Season 1, released in 2014.

It was 10 years ago. Isn't that wild? And it was the thing that launched me into podcasts. Like, I remember people were talking about it. And I was like, oh, I don't listen to podcasts. Like, you have to listen to this podcast. It was like, I feel like one of the gateway podcasts into that world. And here's the financial part.

The serial podcast was sold to the New York Times for $25 million. Yeah. That is wild. Yeah. television's picked up some stuff. You know, Gypsy Rose. That's been a whole thing. they did, the act is what it's called on Hulu. You got the Murdoch trials, and this was a wealthy family,

and a lot of murders, and the father now is locked up because he killed his wife, one of the sons, like, just terrible. And this is the crazy part. Snapchat evidence helped convict him. Yes, so wild. So it turns out Snapchat does have a purpose. There's one good thing it did for society. I know, right?

And only one. Also, the staircase, George. This was a Netflix series in HBO documentary, and it was one that a lot of people were talking about, but Michael Peterson found his wife, allegedly, at the bottom of a staircase, dead. And then you find out his ex-wife died too at the bottom of a staircase.

What? So again, big hits around that. Did not know about this one. You know, you got some movies. You got Ted Bundy. Do you know who played Ted Bundy? There's a little pop culture. Zach Ephron.

Yes, man. Gone, girl. I did see that one. Now, listen to this. This grossed $369 million worldwide. against a $61 million budget and produced by Reese Witherspoon. Great book, great movie, all of it. And this was inspired by the real life death of Lacey Peterson

and her husband Scott's bizarre behavior throughout this investigation. So again, there's true crime involved here in big money. Yeah, because a lot of murders are motivated by money. Well, and if you're like me, you hear these stories and the question is always, why? Motive. But that's sadly not a new thing, Rachel.

I don't know if you remember in the Bible, Canaan Abel, kind of the OG murder. Oh, yeah, you're going all the way back. I'm going way back. Before Dateline was a glimmer in the producer's eyes. We got all Canaan Abel. Started in Genesis. Started way back.

And there was some jealousy involved, as there is in many murders. It's like we just don't change. We don't learn. So yeah. You know what, maybe this is a kid-friendly episode because your kids are, they know this Canaan Abel. How are you going to hide that from them? It's the first book of the Bible.

Hey, you just go through the Old Testament and there is some dark stuff in there. Some dark stuff there. For sure. They should be a true crime on Old Testament. Not that. Did I just come up with a new podcast? Okay, hold the phone. My gosh.

Rachel, we need to cut that because that's a really good idea. Oh my gosh. No one steal it. No one steal it. But asking why, it's a big part of investigation stories. It's the juicy part. And Dr. Peter Moral, sociologist, author, professor at University of Leeds, writes that we can categorize almost all motives for murder into one of the four L's.

Oh. What are they, Rachel? Lust, love, loathing, and loot. So that kind of buckets it. Lute is money. So greed is a big part of this. Greed can be a major motivator for murder. And we're going to focus on that one in this episode.

So when investigators look at loot as a motive for murder, here's what that could mean. Killing for financial gain. So you hear stories about fighting for the inheritance, insurance payouts. You hear about killing as a part of a robbery to get assets or money, premeditated or otherwise. Killing to protect a money-making criminal enterprise.

Think drug trafficking. And finally, killing for money. for a payout or lump sum, think assassin, mercenary, John Wick. Yeah, and money can also be motive for less intense crimes, right? I mean, I say less intense, but like identity theft, money laundering. Carjacking. I would, yeah, put that at pretty high. That's high intensity.

Yeah, that's high intensity, you know. But that kind of thing. Again, money can be this motivator. And for, you know, some people, that is why they are robbing something, right? it's like they don't have the money and this is the means at which they're trying to get it. So money on so many aspects is the motivator for a lot of crime. Why do you think that is? Is it just like the fall of man?

Like we're just original sin? Is it greed? I know. I think greed is probably a really big one, right? You got somebody that has an insurance policy on them. That's true. And then you're like, man, I don't really like them. So what can I do?

Wow, Winston, watch out my man. That felt personal. But yeah, it's... And money also represents other things like power and security. And so there's other facets to money that bleed into other areas. So money is a common way that we, quote, motivate ourselves as humans. And it's not always bad. No, I mean...

Well, there's examples of this. Yeah, you got to go to work to make a paycheck. That's a good thing. To make money. Good motivation. So there's some, yeah, motivation there. Maybe you got paid for good grades. You got, you know, commission as a child.

Yeah, we know, ever that? Oh, 100%. You were? Your parents paid you for good grades? Yeah, it works. That is a powerful motivator. Oh, interesting. And I've heard people paying for sports now. Like if you make a goal, you get, I don't know, 10 bucks or whatever. I don't know. We were never paid for that stuff. We never got paid on grades. We got never paid on sports.

Well, I never made a goal, so I don't know to be truthful. How much did you make on sports as a child, George? Zero. What about how many? Grays, I think of 10 or 20 bucks per A. How many, like, ramps you can jump with the old skateboard? Would you have made some money doing that? I didn't make money doing the ramps. I'm trying to give you what could have been.

Yeah, I did extreme sports, which is like sports, but more impressive. So skateboarding, not a lucrative sport for me, unfortunately. Didn't get paid. For the ramps? Yeah, there's still a motivator there. As soon as I could make money, I was going to, I wanted to get a job. Do something. So that was a motivator there.

And of course, people, you know, stay up late working for side hustles for some extra cash. So money can motivate us positively to work hard. and it can also motivate us negatively, you know, stealing things that we covet burning out for that paycheck. Yep. But we often say money makes you more of who you are. Because money itself is sort of this amoral thing. That's right. Yeah, because, I mean, it does.

It magnifies the things that you value. And it kind of is that tool in life, which you have to use, right? So here's the remix for today's episode. What you're willing to do for money tells you who you are. Dun, dun, done, done. That's a good tagline for our new true crime podcast. Oh, yes. but the Old Testament.

O.T. Okay, so let's dive into some true stories when it comes to money, George. Okay. So first off, you have the story of Yuloma and William Walker. So just four months after marrying her firefighter husband, William,

she asked her 17-year-old daughter and her boyfriend to find a hit man to kill her husband. Wow. So, get this, because she wanted insurance money, like we said earlier, motivator. $100,000. $100,000 insurance money.

And she didn't realize, though, the big surprise was that the beneficiary, he had not changed yet. So he was still to his ex-wife. So he gets killed. Ex-wife gets the $100,000. That's some sweet vengeance right there. Yep. And although she wrote a confession the day she surrendered to the police that she said that she killed her husband because he was abusive. And her attorneys didn't call any witnesses to testify that Walker had been violent.

So she was found guilty of aggravated murder and conspiracy and sentenced to life in prison. Ouch. For a hundred grand. Yeah, I feel like if you're going to do it. I mean, at least go a million. How far is that going to get you? That's not even like retirement money. I mean, yeah, like there's a level of like, all right.

But also the daughter and the daughter's boyfriend are like, yeah, sure. Like they just found this hitman? I don't know. That's the craziest part that's not talked about. So crazy. Okay. Who says life insurance is boring, George? I agreed.

You know, no one wants to talk about it unless it involves true crime. Mm-hmm. But life insurance payout not a good motive for murder. Yeah. You actually, there are stipulations on life insurance that if you are close to a murder situation, you don't get the payout. But I will say, this is a great teaching moment, oddly timed, to get term life insurance in place. It is a great way to protect your family, the people you love, to replace your income.

Yes, if something were to happen. Yes. Yeah. Untimely death. And hopefully it's not your spouse trying to murder you in order to get it. But truly, though, life insurance, that is one of, like, the saddest calls, I think we get on the Ramsey show. And this is all, like, kidding us. I don't know, we're kind of, like, joking about this little bit.

But for real, when a one spouse does pass unexpectedly, it leaves the other spouse in the situation of, like, oh, my gosh, what am I going to do? Whether I have to find, you know, help take care of the kids, do I have to go back to work? Like, whatever it is. So life insurance is huge. So go, yeah, check out Zander. You guys will put a link in it. description, but for real. Wednesday I still have life insurance because it's something I just still want. And there's just this layer of protection for you and your family. We get calls

of people that have it, which really does help. And then those that don't, and it really is. It takes a really sad situation and heartbreaking more stress on it. And key here, avoid whole life. You want term life. Yes. So we'll... 10 to 12 times your income on it. But yeah, it really is. Very, very important, you guys. My term life policy from Zander just came through my bank account. And instead of going, oh gosh, I was just like, I was just like resting easy knowing if something happened to me, God forbid, my family is going to be just fine.

That's right. And we also recommend two other things, you guys, when it comes to this, is one, making a will. So go to mama bearlegalforms.com, and we'll put a link again there. But a will. When it comes to death and everything, like, as much as you can have planned out, honestly, what a gift to give your family. And a will keeps all of your stuff out of the government's hands.

I mean, everything is laid up. out there. It's so much cleaner, so much easier for things to be divided up and to know what is going on. So a will is definitely something that everyone needs. Yeah, for both spouses. So we did one through Mama Bear and it's a mirror will. So it's basically you and Winston, you just swap on either will of like Rachel's stuff goes to Winston, Winston, Winston stuff goes to Rachel. If both pass, here's what happens. But it's not fun to talk about, but you knock that out. Yeah. It takes about 20 minutes to do on their website and it feels, you get this peace of mind. And you don't die earlier because you made a will or get term life, it turns out.

That doesn't work out like it. People think, well, if I do this, Rachel, there's a more, there's a higher chance of something happening. No. It's not. That's not the case. And then lastly, planning your funeral. Planning your funeral. So this is what's crazy.

The average funeral now costs $7,848. Y'all, it's expensive. It's crazy that living is expensive and dying is also expensive. I mean, all of it. Nothing is cheap in this life. Just take me to heaven, Jesus. Wow. All right.

Let's do one last crime story real quick, George. All right. We got Heidi and Nick. and this one took place in Ramsey County, Minnesota. Coincidence? That's right. Absolutely. So Nick killed his wife, Heidi,

and it took decades for investigators to actually charge him with the crime because originally Nick told the police that his wife was killed during a break-in, and he claimed that he grabbed a shotgun and self-defense, and, you know, he was trying to, like, kill the intruder, ended up killing her. But then he was shot in the leg, and it was this whole thing. But what they didn't know is that their house was in four. Foreclosure. So they were set to be evicted from their house

the day after this break in. Yeah, and there was no boxes, like nothing was packed up. Kind of sketchy. Yep. So the false victories that the police couldn't make sense of everything,

so they just accepted Nick's story and went on. Well, the plot twist is that Rachel, his new wife, Rachel. Whoa. And the crime was in Ramsey County. Rachel Ramsey, that was my maiden name if you didn't know.

Oh my gosh. Okay, so this is getting good. I love that you think you were a part of this. I feel very, He connected to this somehow. I know. She found out that he wasn't paying property taxes,

and their house was in foreclosure again. So then his new wife secretly recorded their conversations, and he admitted that he killed his wife. Wow. So, that's not crazy. So again, these situations, it's like a, I'm not giving Nick any outs here. Okay.

I'm glad. Yeah, yeah, this isn't an out. Don't defend the murderer. It's the financial state that people are in. And again, it causes them to do crazy stuff, you guys, like this. And it all started with this like facing the shame of communicating with the spouse that this is where we're at financially. And so this is a real problem.

Nick didn't have control of spending. Didn't have control of himself. And he was owned by whatever he was spending money on, which clearly not the bills, apparently. Yes. So instead of admitting the problem asking for help, communicating with a spouse, he hid the behavior. We call this financial infidelity. Yes, that's right.

Yep. So you want to make sure, obviously, you're communicating with your spouse. But also that you don't let one spouse handle everything. Like you want to be a team in this, and both spouses need to know what is going on and to understand everything. I think it's really important. So again, having somebody in your life, so whether, even if you're single, having a good friend that knows your life in this situation because I think it's really important. And again, it helps your family avoid major financial disasters too, like overspending. Because things can be addressed.

If you know somebody's habits, you know, and something is going out in left field, you're able to help direct it or talk about it, right? Yeah, I mean, we've taken calls on the Ramsey show recently where one spouse is like, hey, I'm $100,000 in debt and my spouse doesn't know, and I can't tell him. So I have to do this all on my own with only my salary. And we're like, you have to tell him. Totally. You got to bring him into this.

Totally. And I hope Perz doesn't end in murder. That's right. We don't want that. Okay. I think one of the big questions around this whole topic is, is it immoral that companies and platforms, they're making money off of these stories.

And a lot of these are, this is not like a fiction book. A lot of these are real life stories with people. And so it's an interesting thing when we dove in and we're looking at it, there's kind of two sides of the coin because for some families, I mean, they have attorney's fees. They have like a lot of costs that go into a situation or event that happens. And if somebody will capture their story and talk about it, like there may be a way for them. They get compensated.

They can use that money to cover the court fees. And some people want, and I was listening to a Dateline, True Crime Podcast, but one of the family members said they wanted to come on and talk about it because they wanted to give voice to their daughter. Raise awareness for the story. Yeah, yeah, so there's that side of it. But then there's also the other side where you're like, oh, man, are people profiting off of it? It can re-traumatize families depending on how the rights to their story are used, how the audience reacts,

because the family doesn't have full control all the time of how the story is told. You know, what kind of light it paints them in or the person in. And so it can even establish unfair stereotypes about victims. And there's just an icky feeling to going, like, you took this terrible thing and you made a bunch of money, off of it. Right, right. So, you know, part of it is gross and part of it is like, that's kind of the news. I mean, they're usually not sharing fun, feel-good stories. Yeah, because in one way, it's going to be told the story. So for some families, I know it gives them like some level of control over how the story's being told to, you know? So, I don't know. It's interesting, George. What are your big picture

thoughts on this entire genre? Are you still going to be into it just as much? Is it still your number one genre? That in the Bible. Good. Mostly the Canaan Abel stuff is what she's into. I do. I do love a good murder mystery story. I did watch the one with Adam Sandler. That's a good one.

Which one was that? It's like the comedic drama mysteries. With Jennifer Anderson. Yeah. It's not called murder mystery. Oh, no, that one. Where they're on the boat? Yeah.

Oh, that's a great one. That's my speed. Okay, that's fair. That's actually a really funny one. So there you go. I'll leave the decision up to these nice people listening and watching, but I did my best to sway Rachel from true crime into more holy genres.

Well, and all my crime doesn't have to involve death, though, because there was, like, the whole thing about, like, the college emission scandal, right? Like, I like, I listen to all those podcasts. I mean, there are some that you're just like, oh, my gosh. You're just addicted to drama. Maybe. I don't know.

I don't know. I'll stick to dark comedies. Maybe I'll come on your side. I like to laugh, too. Yeah. I just like a mix of both. But I do love good storytelling and truth be told, Dateline 2020, these Netflix documentaries.

That Keith Morrison. His voice. It's more of a Lester Holt guy myself. Oh, Lester, okay, okay. I'll take it. I'll take it. I saw him once. All right, George.

It's almost the end of the episode, and we close on every episode with Guilty as charged. And this is where our producer, Lindsay, gives us a new Guilty's Church question every week. And if you are guilty, we take a sip of the Black Widow. It's been too long, Lindsay.

It's been too long. I know. This one's a good one, too. Okay. Have you ever gotten serious serial killer vibes from someone and maybe it's been totally wrong? Oh, and wrong about it? Yeah, like they creep you out.

Ooh. And maybe been wrong. I stand by, anytime I get a serial killer vibe, I stand by it. I've had some gut. I've had some checks in my... I don't know if they've killed anyone.

Like, how do I know? I don't think I've ever, like, met somebody, and then I'm like, oh my God, they were a serial killer and someone on the news. You're saying vibes. Vibes. You know what? And I trust my gut on that.

I think I've met some weird people in the world. And I'm like, something's off. Something's off. And I've learned, but the book of... My other book, The Gift of Fear. Great book. All ladies should read it.

It's the number one thing. Most women that crimes were committed to, like robbery or whatever, they were like, oh, yeah, I felt weird about them, but I felt bad. So I didn't listen to the gut. Listen to your gut. Listen to your gut.

So I've gotten weird vibes, and I have, I stay true to them. I've never been proven wrong. I don't think. But it's usually in passing. It's not like any of you all that I'm like, oh my God, I got weird vibes from like. And then it, Tyler.

I found there are people on social media, like, you know, some weird DMs, stuff like that. There was one guy on Twitter who would DM me every once in a while and he would just say, I see you at 10 p.m., George. That's it. And like every once in a while, it would just be like, I see you at 7 p.m. And I was like, where's he going to see me?

And I think he was saying that, like, I'm going to watch the Ramsey show at this time. But it still, it gave me the hebes, the G-Bs. And the Willys, to be honest. That would give that to me to give all the feels. So, yes, I think with our role, we're more in the spotlight. So I feel like we're more uneasy about people. Well, and we're in situations like with you meet a lot of people.

I mean, there's just like, you meet a lot of people. And there's just some strange ones out there. Not anyone watching this show. They're all very sweet, lovely people. We meet them at live events. They're wonderful. Y'all are wonderful. Well, hey, DM us your guilty is charged questions on Instagram to either of us.

and maybe you'll see it on an upcoming episode. All right, George. It's closing time. This was fun. This was a good one. This was really good. Yeah, this was the Black Widow. I'm going to give it a 10 out of 10.

There's nothing I would change. I'm going to go 8 out of 10 because I don't think I would order it at a restaurant, but it was really fun for this episode. Yeah, and I do like a dark berry-type drink. And here's what's in this one. The Black Widow includes vodka, shamboard, which is a raspberry liqueur, activated charcoal powder.

What? I'll use that for stomach bugs at our house. That's fancy. Hey, it's a good one. It's a very holistic. It's a health drink. What a holistic cocktail we are drinking. It has lime juice, so that's healthy. Oh my gosh.

A little bit of simple syrup and some Pechodes Bitters. And this is an expensive drink because of all that goes into it. It's a lot. $3.80 per glass. Ooh. Still a fraction of the price of what you would pay if you purchased this. So if you want to check it out and try it out for yourself. We do have some fresh blackberries in here, which adds to the ambiance, if you will.

So fun. Yep. Get the recipe in the show notes. Give it a try this weekend. It was delicious. Delicious. Delicious. Well, thank you guys, always for listening and watching.

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