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Go to http://mintmobile.com/pitreddit to get 3 additional months free when you buy any 3-month Mint Mobile plan. And don't tell Paul, but I'm not getting married today. 0:00-0:55 Intro 0:56-10:39 Asked my gf's father for permission to propose https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheEx/comments/16zr5hn/aita_for_asking_my_26m_gfs22f_father_his_blessing/ 10:40-24:11 I refused to sign my marriage license https://www.reddit.com/r/relationship_advice/comments/170vz1q/i_28f_refused_to_sign_my_marriage_license_at_my/ 24:12-25:19 Sponsor! 25:20-54:37 My fiance made a comment about my late wife https://www.reddit.com/r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/17dknvk/aitah_if_i_call_off_my_engagement_because_of_a/?share_id=5P9W9xqQd5QV4YDww1rua&utm_content=2&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1 54:38-1:11:24 My bf said he wants to establish traditional gender roles https://www.reddit.com/r/relationship_advice/comments/1773tz1/my_25f_boyfriend_33m_suddenly_told_me_he_wants_to/ 1:11:25-1:15:56 I accidentally got married at the UPS store https://www.reddit.com/r/tifu/comments/muc3ze/tifu_by_accidentally_getting_married_at_the_ups/ SUBSCRIBE: https://smo.sh/Sub2SmoshPit WEAR OUR JOKES: https://smosh.com WHO YOU HEAR Shayne Topp // https://www.instagram.com/shaynetopp/ Chanse McCrary // https://www.instagram.com/phatchanse/ Arasha Lalani // https://www.instagram.com/arashalalani_/ WHO YOU DON’T HEAR (usually) Director: Kiana Parker Editor: Andre Gardere Director of Programming, Smosh Pit: Kiana Parker Associate Producer, Smosh Pit: Kimmy Jimenez Assistant Director: Heidi Ha Audio Mixer: Major Latimer Camera Operator: Josh Kirkwood Art Director: Cassie Vance Assistant Art Director: Erin Kuschner Art Coordinator: Alex Aguilar Director of Photography: Darren Kho Production Assistant: Joshua Dozier Prop Assistant: Oliver Wehlander Director, Design: Brittany Hobbs DIT/AE: Matt Duran Post Production Manager: Luke Baker Production, EVP: Zoe Moacanin Production Manager: Amanda Barnes Production Coordinator: Heidi Ha Production Assistant: Marcus Munguia Senior Manager, Channel & Strategy: Lizzy Jones Talent Coordinator: Selina Garcia Office PA: Ovsana Tsaturian OTHER SMOSHES: Smosh: https://smo.sh/Sub2Smosh Smosh Games: https://smo.sh/Sub2SmoshGames El Smosh (Spanish Dub): https://smo.sh/Sub2ElSmosh SmoshCast: https://smo.sh/Sub2SmoshCast FOLLOW US: TikTok: https://smo.sh/TikTok Snapchat: http://smo.sh/OnSnapchat Instagram: https://instagram.com/smosh Facebook: https://facebook.com/smosh Twitter: https://twitter.com/smosh Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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What we're going to be dealing with today is relationship drama. It's time to handle it before you take that next step. But it's at those moments when you're about to take that next step that often things go. Yeah. You're simmering. Yeah, you can't ignore it any longer. Well, let's see how this goes. Okay. First one comes from Am I the Asshole. It also got posted on to Am I the X? Am I the X? So do you know, this is, Am I the X is a subred for people who do not realize

they've probably been broken up with already. Oh no. Like they're writing the story like, oh my girlfriend's so mad at me. She packed thi. at me and she she packed all her stuff and she said she's moving out of state and I haven't seen her in a week but I hope things work out it's like no you guys are broken up am I the asshole for asking my girlfriend's father his blessing to propose doesn't seem so bad no since the 26 year old man his girlfriend is 22 okay first of all sorry for any mistakes English is a second language and I'm still processing what just happened.

So I've been dating my girlfriend for a bit more than a year. She's the perfect girl for me. She's hot, caring and smart, and we both love each other very much. I've been thinking about proposing for a while. My girlfriend is almost done with school and I have a good job with a lot of savings. Since we're visiting her hometown for the week, I thought this week would be a good moment to ask her father for his blessing. I've only met with her family a couple of times since they live in another city, but they never seemed to have a problem with me. Her father is pretty easy going, so while we don't have much in common, I wasn't really scared of his reaction, only a bit nervous.

This afternoon, while my girlfriend was out with old friends, I sat down with him and asked him if I'd have his blessing to marry his daughter. He looked really awkward and confused, and asked me a couple of times if I was being serious. I explained that I was. That I loved his daughter very much and would make sure she never needs anything. He said something along the lines of, whoa, I don't know what to say. I was not expecting that. We were silent for a bit, and he left the room. I was disappointed to say say say say say say say say say the least the least the least to say to say to say the least to say thiiiiiiiolk. to say to say to say to say to say to say to say thiolk, to say to say to say to say, to say, to say, to say, tooom, tooom. to, tooom, tooom, tooom, too, too, too, too, too, too, too, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, the the the the the the the the the thi. 0, the thi. 0, thi. 0e, thi. 0e. 0e. 0, the. the. the. too. too. too. too. too a bit and he left the room. I was disappointed to say the least, but still had hopes to convince him. My girlfriend came back soon after and received a phone call from her mother, who told her I asked my girlfriend's dad for his blessing. My girlfriend was really angry at me for asking her dad instead of her and that doing so is sexist, which is stupid because the point was to ask her dad to propose not to marry

her by force. Saying she was absolutely not ready for marriage wasn't even considering it because she thought it was way too early in our relationship after more than a year. She said she felt humiliated in front of her parents and now she left to sleep at her mothers tonight, leaving me alone with her father who's been avoiding me since our conversation. I don't understand what happened. I'm I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I'm th, I'm th, I'm th, I'm th, I'm th, I'm th, I'm th, I'm th, I'm th, I'm th, I'm th, th, the, the, the, the, thu, thu, tho, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th, th. th. th. th. th. th, th. th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the theuu the theu theu theu theu thoooooooooooo, the, tonight, leaving me alone with her father who's been avoiding me since our conversation. I don't understand what happened. I'm really hurt by her reaction and the way she viewed the possibility of marrying me as completely absurd.

I'm really angry and confused at her parents for telling her about my plans instead of letting me propose how I intended. Yeah. Oh. Okay, I think I have a lot of thoughts. Okay. It should have been a conversation before. Like it feels like it came out of nowhere, no?

I'm of the belief and from what I've known and just everything of a proposal is never really a surprise. No. It should, I don't think it should be a surprise. So you should agree you're getting married. I think so. And then it's like, cool. Yeah, and then it's like, a controlled surprise. The proposal should be a surprise in that you don't know when it's happened.

Right. But not that you know that it is going to her dad before, he's like, no, we need to have this conversation before you're talking to my parents? No. I mean, a few things come up from me immediately. Like, obviously it seems like this guy seems like he has lots of different experiences, right? Like, first, he's 26, so I think maybe whether it's like culturally, whether it is just what he knows or what he believes, maybe he is

just in a different stage of his life and he is kind of like around this time is when you're supposed to get married. So there might be just a little lack of considering that she is like four years younger. Yeah, 100%. She is not even done with school yet. So I think for her and her parents, it kind of was like marriage, like, thr-a' of nowhere. But also again like it could be like he maybe wanted to make it like more romantic or or try to ask for permission from her parents before going in for it like I don't think I don't have too big of a problem with that what I don't like is how he was like I wish that I just got to do how I wanted it

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And what's the rush? I don't know. They've only been dating a year. Why not just enjoy not being married for a time? Some people with different backgrounds they believe like you should get married sooner. Yeah. He seems he strikes me as someone who's very traditional in a lot of ways. Totally. And you know there's partners out there that he could that would fall in line with that and be like, yeah, I agree with that. And I want that too. But he's clearly not asked his girlfriend anything about what she wants. No, there's not been a conversation.

That's what makes him an asshole. He's just navigating under his own standards and being like, well, I think I think I should get married to this girl because she's perfect for me and it lines up with my life, but not her as at all. No. Exactly. He's thinking about himself. He's, yeah, it kind of feels like he's trying to take the father role. He's like, and now we're passing you on. And now I'm in charge of you. Oh, scary town.

The verdictthe asshole. All this could have been avoided by having an adult conversation with your partner about future plans. Some people still like the whole asking dad for a blessing slash permission things. I find it outdated and it seems so does your girlfriend, something that would have come up if marriage was at all discussed in the year you've been together, along with a potential timeline of when it might be appropriate to propose. Yeah, I also think a very appropriate conversation nowadays in dating is,

do you want to get married? Because I feel like so many people I know are like, don't need to. Yeah, and that's a conversation you need to have. Or at least just gauge, like, general, in a conversation. I'm amazed it never came up at all in all your conversations. Someone said, she's 22 and you've only been dating a little over a year. Of course she's not ready for marriage. No hate to those who marry young.

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that his girlfriend does or should have any plans herself. No, his life, she needs to, yeah. But I mean, hey, she's hot. But, but, she's hot. But, she's hot. But she's hot. But she's hot. But she's hot.

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That's fair. Our next story, apparently there is more communication, but something still is not happening here. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the. the., I don't know. Let's see. I, 28-year-old woman, refused to sign my marriage license at my wedding to a 28-year-old man, and now I think I should leave him. What? Interesting. So she refused to sign a marriage license at the wedding, okay. It's been one month since my wedding with Fred, 28, and I am refusing to sign our marriage license, and now I am honestly, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, to to toe, to toe, to toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, to to to to toe, toe, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the marriage, the marriage, the marriage, their, their, the marriage, the marriage, the marriage, the marriage, the marriage, the marriage, the marriage, the marriage, the marriage, the marriage, the marriage, the marriage, the marriage, the thiiii-a, toe, Fred 28, and I am refusing to sign our marriage license and now I am honestly considering leaving him.

For six years, I believed Fred and I were on the same page about what we wanted from one another and our future. We agreed, as in he's made this point as well, we didn't want children. Ever. And I made it clear before and during wedding planning that I wasn't changing my last name. Ever. He agreed to this. I. I. I. I. I this. I. I this. I this. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th th th thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thoe thoe thoe thoe thoe thoe thoe thoe thi thi th. th. th. th. th. th. I am th. I am th. I am th. I am th. I am th. I am th. I am th. I am th. I am thi thi. I am thi. I am thi. I am thi. I am thi. I am thi. I am a thi. I am a to the. I am toeeea. I am thean. I am thean. I am last name, ever. He agreed to this. I am an only child while Fred has three brothers. My last name dies with me, while his father's, while his family's last name will continue on with his three brothers, who are all married with children. And with this all considered and points made on these facts,

I believe there wasn't an issue of because Fred agreed to it. I personally hate the tradition of taking on the husband's last name. In my personal, every right to have opinion for all you ready to jump on me in the comments is an archaic tradition that feels more like the transfer of property to a man than a union. And even though I'm never having children, even the thought of someone else's last's's's's's's's's's's's's's's's's's's's's the last the last the last the last the last their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their the having children, even the thought of someone else's last name being attached to my hypothetical child's if I do all nine months of creating it, and wrecking my body just doesn't sit right with me. On top of that, why should I have to change all my registered IDs and documentation just because I'm a woman?

It's not fair. So it's our wedding day and Fred really pushed to have a ceremony in front of everyone where we'd sign our marriage license together. He was first to go and when it was my turn, he had his hand placed really weirdly on the document. I told him to move his hand. We had an awkward, quiet battle about it, and when he finally did, I saw what he was hiding. It was his job to fill out all the forms for the license, since he offered to worry about. And he went behind my back and purposefully filled it out so I would be taking his last name.

Turns out in Florida you can put your maiden name and the name you are changing it to on the form, and that's what I saw on the license, both names. We were at the clerk together with all of our needed IDs and documentation and I was so stressed and exhausted him. So I never thought once that in any world I would need to review to review to review to review to review to review to review to review to review to review to review to review to review to review to review to review to review to review to review to review to review to review to review to review to review to review to review what to review what to review what the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the I never thought once that in any world I would need to review what he filled out or even review the license when we had it in hand. So fair. I refused to make a scene in front of all of our friends and family or fall into the pressure I was under. So I pretended to sign it and the rest of the night was ruined for me. Everything I thought we agreed to and all my preference is a to. to. to. to. to. the to. the to. the to. the the the to. the toe. the the the toe. the the the the the the the the the the the the toe. I was. I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the. thean. thean. thrue. thr-s. toean. toean. toean. the the thean. the the the the the the the the the the the thean th we agreed to and all my preferences he knew about and thought he respected were fucking destroyed. It was like my world was ending in that and what should have been the best day of my life.

Fred is now a completely different person. He's all about tradition now and how it's his right to have a wife with his last name. How it's embarrassing that his brother's wives didn't make this an issue for them and how all his friends will give him shit if I don't change it. He keeps saying that it's not that big of a deal and I'm ruining our future. On top of that, he keeps bringing up the child argument saying, we can't both have different last names and they should take mine. We said we didn't want kids. I know it's technically the certificate that changes your last name, but to know this is what he's wanted all along and that he was willing to try and pull one over on me is disgusting. I feel manipulated and heartbroken, and now he's put all the pressure on me to make a decision

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My initial take on that is absolutely leave. That is fucking crazy. I feel like that one isn't as nuanced at all. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I'm, thi, thi, thi, thi, that, I'm, thi, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, th. I'm, th. And, th. And, th. I'm, th. th. th. th. th. th. t. toge, toge, toge, toge, th. toge, th. th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I is, I feel like that one isn't as nuanced at all. Like I really, the only like empathy that I think I'm feeling towards him is that it feels like it was just something that he was like just deeply shoving into himself and just being like, I just need to hold on to it. Like, I just, I just need to marry this person and it's going to be okay and hopefully her mind will change or like hopefully something will happen when it was just like no.

Like a clear statement of like that's not happening, this is how our marriage is going. And then it's not even that he like changed his mind and was like, oh by the way, like actually I do want kids in now. He just tried to sneak it in there. That's so annoying because annoying's fucking. That's so annoying because it's so different than a conversational ask. This is my want, this is important to me, can we at least talk about a little bit? Because it's so fair to change your mind if you're like, wait. I'm navigating.

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yet. Not everyone signs their certificate there at the wedding at the ceremony, but it feels like maybe he wanted that to give power trick. Yeah, it's a super manipulator. Yeah, I don't like it one bit. No, I mean he lied. There's one thing about being like, I do believe in traditions or I do like this ritual, but to just, to just, to just, to just, to just, to just, to just, to just, to just, to just, to just, to just, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to tho, to thi, their, thi, thi, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thii.e, thr-s, thr-s, thr-augh, thr-a, thr-s, thr-augh, thr-a, thr-a, their, their or I do like this ritual, but to just lie about it, to manipulate your partner, to try to like make them enter into a marriage on false clauses. I don't like it at all.

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You can make a mistake, like we all like slip up, but the first moment that you have the first chance that you have to admit it, you should. And if you don't, that tr of nowhere, he's absolutely certain about how I feel. It's not even a matter of like, oh, I didn't know and now I change my mind. It's like, no, he was always certain. By. That guy is a nightmare. By, by.

Some comments, verdict, I don't know. It's clear. I don't know. It's clear. I don't want to hear him get dragged. So it's not an am I the asshole situation, but it's clear who's the asshole. Yeah. Okay. Some comments, even aside from all the relationship stuff, this guy tried to trick you into signing a document that you were very clear you didn't agree to.

Right. It sounds like he's showing his true colors. I'm so proud of you for standing up for your principles and not going along with his. O.P. said, but how do you move on from this? What do I tell my family, his family? All my friends who spent so much money to come to my wedding and be in it. I have never felt so much pressure and stress and fucking sadness ever. Wasting all of this just because I don't want to change my last name is just becoming more and more ludicrous to me. But I can't bring myself thought like, like, she's setting these own, like, it's important to her

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and that I would just change my mind eventually. There you go. Holy crap. He was just pretending to be somebody else. And he was like, it'll be fine. It's going to be fine. still hadn't changed her mind. He was like, well, good thing I have this fake document that she's not gonna know and I'm gonna cover it up with my hand. Commit a fucking crime.

To respond to your other comment, O.P., this is exactly what you tell people when they asked what happened. You thought the two of you had the same values and came to manipulate you to get his way. And that was at the very inception of your marriage beyond disgraceful. Lastly, someone commented a law, we got a big conversation here. Okay. And this is how abusive marriages start, not openly and violently, but with small incremental changes to who you thought you were with. Slowly the real hymn comes out into the open once you find yourself with every reducing options. Please do not let the real hymn comes out into the open once you find yourself with every reducing options.

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Am I the asshole if I call off my engagement because of a comment my fiancé made about my late wife? For some background info, I, 43 year old man, have two children with my late wife, Kayla, Sam, who's 21, and Liz, who's 16, all fake names. Kayla passed away when our kids were 15 and 10. I won't give specifics about how she passed, but she was struck by a drunk driver when she was on her way home from work. Whoa.

She really was the love of my life, and to say that her passing, thii that our family hard would be an understatement. I promised myself that if I got back into the dating game, I wouldn I wouldn I wouldn I wouldn I wouldn I wouldn I wouldn I wouldn I wouldn I wouldn I wouldn't I wouldn't I wouldn't I wouldn't I wouldn't I wouldn't I wouldn't I th I th th. I th at that anyone I that anyone that anyone that that that that that that that that that that that my kids. Three years after my wife's passing, I met my now fiance. We'll call her Amanda. Things went slow and I didn't introduce her to my kids until we had been dating for about a year at that point. Now we've been together for three years and are engaged. Amanda and my kids have always had a good relationship. Neither of my kids are super close to her, but they have always been friendly and welcoming to her.

And Amanda has never overstepped any boundaries my kids have, like trying to replace their mother. At the beginning of Amanda and I's relationship, she was a bit insecure of the fact that I was a widower. During the first few months of us dating, she would constantly ask things like, if Kala had never passed, would I still be with her right now? I always kept my answers brief and told her that I didn't like thinking about the what-ifs and that she was the one I was dating now and that that was what mattered. Eventually she stopped making these comments and I stopped worrying about it. Now to the issue, my parents were hosting a family dinner to celebrate my fiancé and I's engagement. It was my mom and dad, my late wife's sister and her husband, Sam and Liz, and me and Amanda. Dinner was going well. We were all making

small talk with each other and talked about wedding plans. About halfway into dinner, my mom made a comment about how she was so happy I was able to find the spark I had with Kala in someone else. I don't think anybody really paid much attention to the comment, but then Amanda laughed and said, I'm happy she died, otherwise I would have never gotten him to myself. No, okay, okay. The tone of the dinner immediately shifted and everyone got extremely tense, especially my kids. Amanda noticed the shift and started awkwardly laughing like she was trying to play her comment off as a joke. I was honestly just frozen as as as that was just frozen as thi. I as to to to to to to to to th, I th, I thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. I thi. I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I thi, I to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to th the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the thi thi thi thi thi thi the the the the the theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee the the the the thi th laughing like she was trying to play her comment off as a joke. I was honestly just frozen as that was the first time she had made a comment like that. My kids looked disgusted and Liz got up and walked out to the car. Sam waited a bit longer like he wanted me to say something, but I was still in shock about what Amanda had said. To make a long story short, the dinner was kind of ruined,

so I said my goodbyes to everyone, grabbed my fiance, and we all drove home. My daughter hasn't spoken to me or Amanda since, and it's been three days. I got tired of it and pulled my son aside to ask him what I should do. He said, I said something along the lines of, I'm a grown man and don't care who another grown man marries, but I don't want a woman who speaks like that about our mother around my sister. Sam's comment stuck with me and now I'm considering calling off the engagement entirely.

She's never made comments like this before, but I'm worried if I let it slide this one time. It will become more frequent and it will affect my daughter. I need some advice from outside perspectives and just want to do right by my kids. Would I be the asshole if I called off the engagement because of the comment she made? I also think it's just really inappropriate, if she hadn't passed, would you still be with her right now? Is a weird... I see my Jim and I asked, nosy ass self. I want to know, not for a bad reason. I just want to know to know to know to know to know to know to know to know to know to know to know to know to know to know to know it to know it to know it to know it to know it to know it to know it to know it to know it to know it to know it to know to know to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to the to to to to to to to to to to the the to the to the the to the the the the to the the to the to the the to the the the to the the the the the to the the to the the to too.e.eck. toldea. toea. toldea toea. toea. I. the toldea. I. I asked nosy ass self. I want to know not for a bad reason.

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like, yeah. The kids are there. I just cannot defend even for a second, like, just, it's just about being a little bit more thoughtful and being more considerate with your words and to just slip up like that, I don't think should go without some consequences. And an important point to make is that he mentions it's been three days, and he does not include any information about her being like, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I want the the the the the the to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the tho. I the tho. I to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the like either diffuse the situation or go have a conversation with her because everyone in the room obviously felt away and it felt like the onus was. Like very obviously felt away and if she's not aware of how bad that was. Yes. It's a, do you

actually feel that? Because you just made a really weird joke. Yeah, it's like, holy crap. People are getting up and leaving. Right. If she's not spending like those three days, like groveling, like she needs to be working on getting better with the kids. Like, I think it goes back to what we were just talking about, with trust. Like, that trust is just completely broken now with her, because how can he trust that she's not,

trust that she's not that she's not going to just say something so evil like that. It's it's you know I think we get caught up sometimes on like well does she deserve for them to break up whatever. I'm like it's not a matter of deserved or anything of is this fixable? Like that damage that was. Is it evil? She's saying I'm happy that she's dead because I am where I am now. Because I wouldn't have gotten him to myself. I would have never gotten him to myself. You know, it's brutal. I understand, I could maybe understand her saying like a... Everything needed to happen the way it happened to be where I am now is a nice sentiment to say?

But literally saying I'm happy she died, like those words together should not have come out. The syntax is not doing it for her. I think there was another Reddit story that we read where a guy married a widower and she had a couple kids and like, and that was the one where he was going and he would like talk to the, he would go to the grave of the former dad and like talk to of like, tell him about the kid's life. And so it was very sweet because you can tell he had respect for his partners, you know, passed away husband. And I think that's the thing is that, I just don't know if she respects that. It doesn't feel like she has, you kind of do have to have respect for that person they lost. And it can't be a matter of like, well, I'm,

you're not in competition with them. Yeah, you're not. Like, truly at all. And it's, that's, I think, I think that's a weird, yeah. It was saying you're happy, someone died in front of all that person's loved ones. I mean, holy.. I, holy, holy, holy, holy, holy, holy, holy, I, that, that, that, that, that, that, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. I'm, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. Like, th. Like, th. Like, th. Like, th. Like, th. Like, th. Like, th. Like, th. Like, th. Like, th. Like, th. Like, th. Like, th. Yeah, th. Yeah, t. Yeah, t. truly. truly, truly, truly, truly, truly, truly, truly, truly, th. truly, th beautiful thing to say. You could also just not say anything. Yeah, just literally saying quiet.

You really could just not say anything. You could. If I married a widower, I think any time about a public, like with their families and they're talking about her, I would just be like, or the maturity to love her, love her memory in front of them and be like, That's how we're all here right now. Because if you're all about like everything happened, so I'm where I am now, like that includes that. Yeah. It's not, I'm happy.

It's more like, what a loving person. Yeah. Who built this community, this community. This people are now shaped because of who this person was. And for me, I think, again, this is what I said withend to remember the pain that I feel in those moments and I think in that moment I would be so devastated something like that and I don't think that I could have I don't know if I could get over something like that.

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because she knows if Kayla didn't pass, OP wouldn't have been with her. She has always been competing with a dead woman and will continue to do so. As always with Reddit stories, we don't have, we're missing a lot of context. That is the take that I'm feeling based on the info. Agreed. It's like, well, am I better than that person you were with? It's like, it doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter. It truly doesn't matter. And there's no competition. It's a brand new thing. It is a different thing. And I know, well, I want to say that like, I don't think th that I don't that I don't that I don't that I don't that I don't that, I don't that, I don't that, I don't that, I don't that, that, that, that, think that, think think that, I don't think that, I don't that, I don't that, I don't that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that that think Again, I have empathy for her and that I feel like sure maybe you are like again wondering these questions But to bring it out and make that insecurity somehow more powerful than being more thoughtful in a situation about your words like it It just doesn't seem like an even battle right there. This is exactly a predicament where I'm like, that is something you discuss with a therapist.

Because I don't think you should discuss that with him. Yeah. That's a tough thing for him to untangle. It's a you problem. It's like, what's he gonna say about it? Talked with therapists to be like, I'm dealing with insecurities. I can't control my insecurities. Those happen. But how you go about it is your choice. And she's going about it horribly.

And on the contrary, he is going about it really well, I think. Like just even just the timeline, at least before, that he was talking about where, right? He had some space. Obviously, he like mourned and then he said he was with her for about a year until he introduced the kids and then now three years later they're getting engaged like I feel like he's got a good head on his shoulders yeah and he is really timing this out well he is considering the kids and and he raised good

kids too because his son was awesome yes king and I think I I am the type to react like how he reacted whenever something when someone says some fucking crazy to me or around me like I I process for a while like I I think about it and then So I don't think you should feel bad for not necessarily immediately Getting upset. Yeah, someone else said I'm happy she died would be unforgivable for me, especially knowing my kids heard my fiance say that, disgusting. I wouldn't be able to not think about that every time I looked at them. Someone else said, yeah, she's never going to let this go.

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before speaking with my fiancee, and we'll see where it goes from here. I'm pretty sure my fiance and I are over though. with everyone goes. Thank you all for again for setting my head straight. Update. This is the next day. The honeymoon fix. Yeah, they're like Cabo's been amazing. The kids are in college. I promised I would update everyone after I had talked to my kids, so here's the update. It's kind of long, so I hope that doesn't go against the rules of this community. I'm also going to use this update as a way to clarify some of the questions people were asking in the comments. One, did my fiance apologize to anyone at the dinner party? No, she didn't. I honestly don't think it even registered or has registered to her that what she said was wrong.

Okay, yeah. That's the cement. No, nope, nope. Nope, nope. Does fiance have social anxiety? Not to my knowledge, no. In all the time I've known her, she's never shown any signs of social anxiety and doesn't have a history of it. If you have social anxiety, you'd apologize after. You'd be like, I said something stupid. That was my anxiety.

I'm sorry. It's thirty-a. How old was my late wife? She was 37 when she passed and we were the same age. Amanda is 41. A lot of people were asking for clarification on the time frame of her passing and when my fiance and I met. At this point in time, Kayla has been gone for about six years, and I met Amanda roughly three years after Kayla's passing. I didn't mention either of their ages as I didn't believe it was important because we're so close in age, but I understand why a lot of you guys want to know.

That's also a lot of time that's passed. Like, even if your ex is alive, it's like, yeah, but that was three years ago. Like, why are you insecure about it? Yeah, yeah. But in a way that's also not a lot of time, particularly for their children. No. Like not okay to make that. No, it's not a lot of time, it's not a lot of time as far as grieving goes. But it is a lot of time as far as if you're dating someone and it's like they haven't been with someone for three years. You're not like, oh well how do you feel about that? It's for. No apologies? Absolutely. Now that I've clarified the things I was most asked about in the comments, we can go into

the update. Well, in writing this update, it's the day after I talk to my kids. So last night around 5.30, my fiance left for work. She works nights most days of the week, so I was able to call my his sister. He goes to our local college and lives in an apartment near his school. When he started college, he wanted to move out, but also wanted to stay close to us, so he settled on an apartment a few blocks away from the college. He came over and I called him and his sister into the living room to talk about what talked with both of them. When they were both seated, I told them, I told them I thii thin point them point them point the the point the point the point the point the point the point thin point the point the point the point the point thin point the point thin their to to told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told told to to to to to their their their their their to their their to their to to their to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the apartment. the comment she made was unacceptable. I then, by the advice of the comments, apologized to them. I told them I was sorry for not saying anything for so long and letting the tension thicken in our home.

I told my daughter that I understood why she hasn't spoken to me and that I was sorry for allowing her to think that I was even remotely wanted to do everything in my power to make it right with my kids during the conversation. My daughter told me that she felt disgusted at the comment Amanda made, and even more so when I didn't defend her mother. She then told me that the past two years that she's known Amanda, she felt like she's been gradually trying to push her and Sam away from me. One of the examples Lizz that was, Liz, Liz, Liz, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, th, the, to, the, to, the, to, to, th, th, the, to, th, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, too, the, too, to, too, and, and, and, too, and, and, and, too, and, and, too, too, and, and, to, and, and, to, and, and, and, and, to, and, to, to, and, to, to, to, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, I, the, I, the, I, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is the the the the the the the the the the the too, is.e, is.I.I.I.I.I.I.I.I.I.I.I.I.I.I.I.I. I was, to start his sophomore year of college, and when he mentioned the idea of moving out, Amanda was the one who took that and ran with it. According

to Liz, Amanda was the one encouraging Sam the most to move out. To be clear, I was never against Sam moving out, but I was clear to him that he was welcome to live at home for his college years, and even after until he found where he wanted to be. I asked. I. I. I. I, the to the to to to be. I, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to be, to to to to to to, to the to to the to, to, to, to, the, to, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the one, the, the, the one, the, the, the one, the, the, the, the, the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the told, told, told, too, too, too, too, told, too, told, to, to, told, th to, thi, thi, the the the thi where he wanted to be. I asked Sam if he felt pushed out by Amanda and if that's why he moved out. He said he hadn't felt pushed out before he told everyone he wanted to move, but after he put it out there, my fiance kept pushing for him to move out. Liz cut in and said that every time she brings up college, Amanda keeps encouraging her to go out of state. Liz said she feels like like th like th like th like th like th like th like th like th like th like th like th like thiiii, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to told, told, th. th. thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, the, the, the, the. the the the the the the the the the the th and she's been open about wanting to go to

the college Sam is attending right now. Liz said she feels like Amanda is waiting till she graduates high school and goes to college so she can move out. A lot of the comments were right about the subtle comments eventually turning into Amanda wanting my kids pushed away from me. Liz said that she was scared that by the time I eventually noticed the way Amanda was acting, too big of a wedge would have already been driven between me and them. I told my kids that I'm sorry it's taken me so this long to notice and that I was also sorry they've been walking on eggshells for so long. I hugged my kids and told them that no matter what they are my top priority, not Amanda or anybody else. A lot of comments pointed out that even though my son is grown, he still needs a father and I made sure to let my son know that I will always be there for him and his sister even when they are well-grown. The entire conversation

lasted about two hours. We covered a lot of the bases we wanted to and it got emotional on all sides. In short, Amanda and I are done. I've made it a point to tell my kids that none of this situation the situation the situation th th th th th th th th th thus thus the thus thus the thus thus the the thus. thus. thus. thus. thus. thus. thi thi. thi. thi. the the the the the the. I the. I the. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I their their their their their their their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I'm the. I'm te. I'm tod toda. te. te. toda. today te. te. today today te. today today the. Itheir fault and that Amanda is the grown woman who said what she said. My kids and I are okay right now, but they aren't 100% with me and probably won't be for a while. I'm completely fine with that and just want my kids comfortable in their own home. Amanda has tomorrow off from work, so I plan on talking to her tomorrow. I also plan on calling my mother to ask her why she thought it was okay to even bring up Kayla at the dinner table. I don't want my daughter here when it's when it all goes down so she's staying tonight and tomorrow night with Sam. So that's where I'm at right now. Not super happy about the outcome of me and Amanda but would rather have my kids happy and healthy than have a wife. Again thank you everyone. again than than than than th th thank th thank th th thank th thank you th thank th thank you th thank th thank you thi thi thi thi thi than than than than than than than thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi tho- tho- tho- tho- tho- tho- tho- tho-I tho tho tho thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi that that that that that that that, that, thi thi thi thi thi thi thi thi. thi. thi. to thi. to to to to thi. to toeeeeeeeea. toeeea. to to tho-a. I call off with Amanda. Thank you, everyone. Wow.

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the comment my mother made towards Amanda was most definitely a compliment towards her. And that was confirmed. That was the comment. Yeah, I forget. The mom had said like, I'm so glad you found you found love again. Okay I'm so glad you found something like that. And that's what's bird I'm happy she's dead. I'm happy I know it's like dude you you know that is a comment you don't need to respond to that's a comment you know that's a that's one of those where

you just like grab their hand you just go like that's a super warm comment it's a very heartwarming thing th you. that's a that's a that's a comment. that's a comment. that's a that's a comment. That's a that's a that's a that's a that's a that's a that's a that's a that's a that's a that's a that's a that's all you that's all you're all you're all you're that's all you're. That's a that's a that's a that's a that's a that's a that's a that's all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all all. that's a that's a that's a that's a that's a that's a that's a that's a that's a that's a that's a that's a super. that's a super. That's a super. It's a super. It's a super. It's a that's a that's a that's a super. It's a that's a super. It's a super. that's a super. It's Or you compliment what you see in the dead wife. You were here existing. That's what I'm saying. You were in. Or just thank them for the turkey. Yes, thank you. Or was it just dinner? It's like, I'm to be here in this place with you all.

Yeah. Not happy. She's dead. crazy scheme in my head where like the mom is like, I'm gonna get her now, like she sent it up. The kids are like now. Now, get it. She's like, now Liz, you go run to the room. She's like, no, they're like three days, he hasn't botched. We did it, we did it. Amanda's gone.

This is Liz and this is him. I love that was confirmed in the call I had with her. My mother, bless her heart, felt extremely guilty for the entire situation. She fully believed the situation all stemmed from her one comment. I assured her that none of the situation was her fault, and that I've never blamed her one bit for any of this. We talked a bit before I let her go. The call ended at about 9.15 a.m. I was left waiting for a man to wake up. She woke up at around 10.30 a.m. and I didn't want to ambush her straight after she woke up, so I waited until about 11.10 a to sit her down and talk.

A lot of people in the comments suggested to secretly video the whole thing. I thought that was extremely smart, so I had my phone set to record in my back pocket the entire time. I don't know. Oh no. Shoe, drop, ball. The ball! So I had my phone set to record in my back pocket the entire time. I didn't think she'd try to do anything drastic, but I would rather be safe than sorry. The talk with her went about as well as anyone could imagine, so not great. I told her I needed to talk with her that it was serious, and we sat in the living room. When we were seated, I began unloading at her about the comments she made about Kayla at my parents' house, how it made my kids feel, how it made me feel, her lack of an apology of any sort of any or any sort of acknowledgement to what she said and so on. I told her I expect her to give an apology to my parents, my

in-laws, and most importantly my kids. During the entire time of me unloading on her, she didn't seem to to to to to to to to to their to their to their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, or their, or their, or their, or their, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, she didn't seem to show any bit of emotion other than her eyes, which were slightly wider than normal. After I spoke my truth, she straight up asked, so if I apologize to everyone, we'll go back to normal. I told her, I told her that I know she heavily pressured Sam to move out when he wasn't even sure if he wanted to at that point in time, and that I also know she is now trying the extent the extent the extent the extent the extent the extent to to to the extent to to the extent to the extent to to the extent to to the extent to the extent the extent to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to told the extent the extent too too too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. too. the too. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, the the, tr. tr. tr. tr. true. true. tru. tru. tru. truth. tru. tru. truth. tru. tru. truth. truth. truth. tru. tru. tru. tru. tru. to, told her that I know she heavily pressured Sam to move out when he wasn't even sure if he wanted to at that point in time, and that I also know she is now trying to do the same with Liz. I did my absolute best to leave my kids out of the situation but told Amanda that the way my kids described her treatment t she'll apologize to everyone, that she'll make it right with my kids, etc., etc. I told her that if she apologizes, I will certainly appreciate it, but we were still done either way. She was full on crying at this point and asked me, why wasn't I willing to try and fix our relationship? And I told her that even though I loved her th. th, I th, I th, th, th, I th, th, th, th, th, th, th, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, I tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, that even that even tho, tho, tho, that even that if that if that if that if that if that if that if that if that if that if that if that if that if she that if she that if she that if she that if she tho, I tho, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, I th, th, th, th, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thr-a, thr-a, thr-a, tho-a, tho-a, tho-a, tho-a, tho'eeat, thoo'eat, tho'ea, tho'e, thr- her, and I'll be honest, I still love her very much. I was not willing to take another chance of my kids being hurt against the way they were. I was frustrated and shot back at her asking why she was trying to push my kids out of their own home.

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else big or important happens but as of now I'm taking it one step at a time and making it right with my family. What a, that guy, pretty great dude. My blood is boiling, I I I I I I I I I I I that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that she that that that that that that that that that that that that that that th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the. the. the. th guy, pretty great. I love that. It's a pretty great dude. My blood is boiling that she did not apologize and then she's like, well if I apologize, we'll be okay. Like that's not the problem, Amanda, you clearly don't care about literally anybody. It sounds like she was unaware. She just did not have any awareness. He dodged a bullet like hardcore. Yeah. I love though that he still found a way to just spin it around and just be like, at least like now, like through this whole situation, what I might have just gotten out of it though is a chance to be closer to my kids. Which I think is maybe again, just what that family needed, like in a really weird, like, in a kind of twisted way, it's like, again, everything that happens that happens that happens that happens that happens that happens that happens that happens that happens that happens that happens that happens, that happens, that that that that that that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's a that's that's, that's thi.. that's, that's, that's, that's, to to to to be, to to to to to to to to that's, that's, that's, that's, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, th...... th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thee. the. thea. thea. thea. thea. to, toe. toe. thi. to, toea. thi. thi of twisted way. It's like again everything that happens brings you to the place that you are now

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That's it. We don't need to hear any of us. Moving on to our next story. Yeah, the last one? I have been with my boyfriend for three years now, and it has been wonderful. We've been talking about marriage lately and as it felt right for the both of us. Over the course of our relationship, we often talked about what our goals are and what we wanted our future together to look like. I was always vocal about how I wanted a more equal non-traditional relationship. We both work, we both don't want children. I expect to have a joint account with him and pay our expenses proportionally based on our income. I do make th him, but I don't mind since I believe us to be a team. And for the last three years, he's agreed with me, or so I thought.

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to be the man of the house. The leader and so what he says goes. He has the final say in the decisions, and I cannot be questioning. What the hell? I told him this will lead me to not being heard and miserable. It will make me feel less valued. He says it's the best way to avoid arguments. Sure, less arguments because what I think wouldn't matter, but I will build resentment and then it's no longer a happy marriage. There's less arguments a happy marriage. Uh-uh. In my truth, there's less arguments.

I'm sorry, there's less arguments. There's less arguments. We won't argue if I'm the only one who can speak. Right. If I saw your mouth shut, it's going to be less arguments. He's got a point. He's got a point. Technically the this dude was red-pilled.

There's no way. And I don't know if he has always thought this way or if it's recent. All I know is that my whole body is telling me this is not it. Right, listen. I cannot marry him. It sounds like trouble. But am I correct for thin. but the last three years have been so wonderful that it's so hard for me to wrap my head around this, this sudden switch. Please give me some advice and courage. Ah, that sucks. I wonder how often that's happening to women nowadays with all that show.

With all the podcast. Yeah, just men getting convinced of this stuff. Like, it's just sucks. It's so detrimental. It's such a bummer. It goes back to the point that we were saying earlier as well, where again, you hear something like this and at first glance it's like, oh my god, that's ridiculous. Like she needs to leave him again. But it's still like, no, that's not always who this person was. Right. And it's really hard to shake off all of the hurt that's that's that's that's that's that's happening right now because of all the memories you had before that. Like it's a it's a very drastic change and and I feel so bad for her because she's definitely navigating a lot of like is this a change that I need to just walk

away from or is this like just a phase like what's going on? This isn't the first story we've had like this on Reddit stories. That's so. There's been other ones. There was an insane, I think you were, chance were you there, for the one where they were their friends and suddenly he was just like, yeah, you're my girlfriend. Oh yeah, and it was like a whole similar type of ideology of just like, yeah, you're here. You're the, I get to decide that. Like, just, just fully brain washed washed, th, the, th, th, th, th, the, thrash, thrash, their, their, their, their, their, they their, they they they their, they were, their, their, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were, they were they were they were their, their, their, their, their, they were they were their, they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were they were, lesser and I can make decisions for them. It's unfortunately happening and it's so awful.

Crazy. Some comments here. I would have laughed the entire time I packed. Someone said seriously, a 33-year-old man child is so gullible and naive, thinking he's an alpha bro, lull to the fall for the red pill, took to fall for the red pill, expect to toxicity and childish tantrums from now on, just end it and watch him melt down. Another comment, it sounds like you never really knew him.

He sounds like he's always been a misogynist, you just never got a clear and direct answer from him. You say you were always vocal about marriage. You said you asked him again, which shows you never had a solid answer yet. You both still talked about marriage. Did you both agree on things or was he passively acknowledging? This doesn't sound like a sudden switch. This sounds like he was passive,

and now he's actively acting in his own best interests. It's just that it's come down to crunch time. Maybe when you look back at your first interactions with him, you'll notice the pattern of passivity on his part. Not saying that this is the case or it's on you, but it's that the signs were always there, it's just not easy to recognize them. Women especially are conditioned to tolerate a lot of things because being single as a woman is the worst thing ever to alpha males as it happens. Be wary of what you think is right for you and what's expected of you to tolerate.

O.P. responded, I think you are right actually. There were many times where he would just nod. And if I directed a question at him, he'd answer vaguely to kind of match mine and deflect. I think that made people to be honest and gave him the benefit of the doubt. I'm naive, I guess, thanks for your response. Yeah. I think that's definitely an important note

that the person who made that comment made as well, like it is 1,000 percent not her fault. Nor is it like, you know, any woman who finds herself in that situation because, yeah, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, is, it, i, i, i, is, it, i, i, i.e.a, i.e. It's, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it is it like, you know, any woman who finds herself in that situation because yeah, like, it, it, these ideas aren't just like crazy and out of nowhere. Like, they clearly were something that were, it was something that was in place once. Yeah. So it's like, in a way it was like not crazy at some point. Like, that was something that actually was out there. So it's, you're right, it's like in a way women are just kind of conditioned where it's just like, well as long as we're not actually going back to that, like this is something that's okay

and then you have something straight up in your face and she's still kind of like, what do I do? Yeah, instead of being like I got to get out of it. Yeah. Yeah. And also it's like that I don't know it it doesn't seem like she was yeah she was letting a lot of things slide. He's clearly watching a bunch of podcasts and stuff that she wasn't aware of like I mean if she knows that he's doing any of that or watching any of that and consuming that stuff it's like okay that's not lining up with what you agree with me on. And I don't know, I think if these things are this important to you as I'm sure they are for everyone, it's like, it's not a matter of just saying it and getting a nod. It's like, you kind of should talk it out. Totally. And really like, hear it from him.

Because yeah, this is not the first time. We've also had ones where a guy will just be like, yeah, sure, yeah. And then suddenly it gets down to it and then. That just happened in the other story today. Yeah, no. It's people who clearly are, you know, thinking, oh, well, okay, you have your fun little ideas. Right. Yeah, right. Right. have it all outlined and they have plenty of words to share. Yeah, no, he's a piece of shit.

I feel like I overcompensate like in like the relationships and friendships that I have. I feel like whenever I have a point to make, I feel like, oh no, let me be clear about this. And I also want to receive from other people like, oh yeah, no, definitely. Right. And I'm like, wait, how do you feel about it, though? Exactly. You know? Yeah, you could say these guys are afraid of the response that they're going to get, but I also think it's that they're thinking, oh, I know she won't like what I believe, so we need to get married so that she has a choice. And that's also too because once doesn't be able to make a choice. In your blood and ink. But that's a that's a dangerous person. I mean really like anyone

who thinks any form of that way I think is dangerous. Completely. Because then what else are you going to condone? That is absolutely ridiculous. All right, update. And trigger warning. There is like pressuring sex in in this. So if you want to skip ahead. Our last story story story story story story story story story is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that is that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's dangerous that's dangerous that's dangerous that's dangerous that's that's that's that's a dangerous that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's th. that's th. that's a dangerous thi. thi. that's a dangerous. that's a dangerous. that's a dangerous. that's a dangerous. that's a dangerous. that's a dangerous. that's a dangerous. that's a dangerous. that in this so if you want to skip ahead our last story is going to be of a lighter tone than this but let's get into this. Thank you all for your responses. I wanted to update you guys on what happened and hopefully answer some of your questions along the way. I luckily don't live with him or have any shared assets. He also did explicitly say that he expects me to continue working, so I guess he wanted the best of both worlds. And before we started dating, I was hesitant due to our age gap.

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As soon as he came in though, he tried to initiate intimacy and I said no since I was not in the mood. Understandably so. He got angry. He has never done this before. We have always had a very healthy, fulfilling sexual relationship. But now he kept trying to convince me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me the to me their to me tofi their tofi tofi. tofi, to their tofi, their their toe him toe, their toe, thi, thi, the the, the the thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, toe, toe, toe, told, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, toe, tof. to f. to f. to f. to f. I, to f. I, to f. I, to f. I, to f. I, to to to to to to to the. I, the. I, thea, thea, thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. I, thea, the. I, the. he kept trying to convince me to have sex with him and asked me why I was putting my needs over his, that I just, that I can just force myself to do it for the sake of our relationship. I said that I wasn't feeling well. I know I shouldn't even have to justify tho. He said that even if I'm not feeling well, it's not an excuse. I was disgusted. I fell out of love that instant. I was I was already in the process of it, but this really did it. I also felt very unsafe. I stood my ground, told him that this is not consensual, and that someone's health is more important than his need for sex. I kept repeating it until he eventually stopped pushing, but he didn't leave my place until an hour later. I was afraid to anger him again by telling him to leave, so I just stayed quiet doing

stuff around the apartment until he decided to leave. Luckily, nothing happened to me, but wow. I told my friends and family everything. They support me and my decision to break up and help me prepare my speech. I asked him to meet me in a public space the next day as one of the comments suggested. My friends were nearby keeping an eye. he was still an to I haven't been talking to him and I refused sex. He asked me why I expect him to take care of me when I'm unwell, but I didn't give him sex yesterday. I decided to not waste my breath in explaining something so basic. I went on with my breakup speech as prepared, where I told him everything,

how disrespectful he's been, all the podcast stuff, etc. He suddenly looked so scared and begged me to to to to to to to told him everything, how disrespectful he's been, all the podcast stuff, et cetera. He suddenly looked so scared and begged me to take him back. He said he understands what I'm saying and then I'm right about the podcast and that he will work on it. He was trying to convince me not to break up, but I did not believe anything he said. I held my ground and told him there is no room for discussion. It's over and I left. Now I feel a weight lifted, but I am also heartbroken.

I know this was the right thing to do. I just feel defeated. I wake up so anxious and feel like crying constantly. I am barely eating. I am seeing a therapist next week to help cope. If you guys have words of encouragement and maybe success stories of meeting your person, I'd love to hear. Thank you all sincerely. You all help me in finding courage and strength in my time of need. Thank God she got out. Yeah, thank God she got out. Oh my God. Yeah, scary town.

Scary town, USA. I would say for anyone that is that is an unbelievably instant like, go. Get out, get out, go, fly. Absolutely. Any form of that is an immediate leave. Oh my God, what a terrible person. Yeah.

I should say it over and over again. I'm like, you're not listening, clearly you're not listening. And then he just tries to like flip it and then just try to, wait, wait, I'm so sorry. I know. Too fucking late! How delusional this guy was, even to himself. Yeah. Because he clearly wasn't thinking it was ever a possibility. He does not know who he is at all.

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There's still that like even if it's not like your specific timeline of getting married like you're still like in your head I guess I'll say like personally for me like I Don't want to get married like anytime soon, but I've always grown up with like these numbers in my head of sure right like before 30 or like your biological. I? or like, like, you're biological clock or like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thi, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like anytime soon, but I've always grown up with like these numbers in my head of like right like before 30 or like your biological clock or like maybe in your mid-20s or like my parents got married when they were like younger than I right now like there's all of these ideas in your head that are floating around so I mean breakups in general suck but a one that lasted like three years you can't help but write the fallacy you can't help but think like all this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this this th th th th th th th th th th th th thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. the thi. thi. thi. th. th. th. th. thi. th. thi. thi. the th. th. the th. the th. the th. the th. th. th. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. Like, th. Like, thi. Like, thi. Like, thi. thi. thi. I thi. thi. thi. thi. I. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. that lasted like three years, you can't help but write the fallacy. You can't help to think like all this time was wasted and it's like, no, you were. Don't cry because it's never wasted. It's never wasted.

What the hell? Even most bad relationships, you learn so much. Well, the reality is, and I think this is my take on, it's not necessarily an age gap. It's that someone in their early 20s, I worry that a lot of guys, especially dudes in their 30s, if they're dating someone who's in their early 20s, it's like, are they into you because of your insecurities? Are they into you because they think they can pull one over on you? Because people have gone people are in there, once people have gone through what she, now that she's gone through this, you can't pull that on her anymore. And I think there's a lot of predatory men out there who probably immediately recognize

that and go, oh shit, I can't fool her. I can't trick her. Like, and I, you know, what is all, and that's, and that's, and that's, and that's, and that's, and that's, and that's, and that's, and that's, and that's, and that's, and that's, and that's, and that's, and that's, and that's, and that's, and that's, that's, that's, and that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that, that, that, that, that, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, th. th. th. th. th. th. th. tho. th. th. thooo. th. that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, I mean, it's full on just predatory. It's not the way. It's not the way. The last thing that I'll say too, with the age gap, it's also not my, I don't think there's a magic number or anything. It's definitely just individual personalities and maturity levels. True. What do you know and what does this person know? And are you able to be young together? Are you able to be older together? Like are you able to just fit into these different timelines? Right. No, I mean there's, there's, that guy could find a woman in her 30s that he could

find the same way to pull it on her. But I think that's what he was looking for. I get that sense. And he was like, I can't, I have this power, I have this ability. Yeah, and he's he's he's he. And he's he. And he's. Yeah. the. the they. they. Yeah. they. th. they. they. they. th. th. th. the th. the the the th. the the th. the the th. th. the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's there's. T. T. there's. there's. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. th. the. the. the. th. th. I liked it. Some comments here. It's funny how the minute it sunk in that his behavior has alienated you, he began the frantic begging and bargaining. Well done on remembering you have innate worth and self-determination. You're strong and brave. Someone else said, fuck yeah, O P. I remember your post and was one of many that encouraged you to get out. I am so damn proud of you. Someone said, I decided I to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to not to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. I. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. I their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. the their. their their their their th. I'm th. I'm th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. thean. thean. the the the the thean. the the to get out. I am so damn proud of you. Someone said, I decided to not waste my breath in explaining something so basic, champion. Someone said, hey, it's not easy to end a serious relationship. Your investment of time and shared experiences in love was not wasted. It brought you to this place.

You know exactly who you are and what you deserve. You did good, proud of you. I think this is, I'm not happy she went through any of this, but like she is, she is double the person. She's got some tools in the tool about it. Oh my god, yeah, no, you do not fuck with her now. Lesson learned experiences, like that's all just gonna come in handy for her life. Like Bella, thus a to move on. All right, here's our last story and it is a palette cleanser for us all. So this is a bit of a plot twist. A couple does get married here.

Just not in the way they expected. Ooh, what do you mean? This comes from today I fucked up. Today I fucked up by accidentally getting married at the UPS store. Awesome. I like it. So romantic. Okay, so this is 2021. Spring of 2021.

This happened a couple hours ago. I recently proposed to my long-term girlfriend a couple weeks ago. Unfortunately, due to the nature of my work, we have to move soon and have a real wedding before then during COVID would be impossible. I got off work early today and after getting home my fiance asked if we could go get some paperwork notarized for our courthouse wedding we planned to have in a month or two. We hopped in the car with a form we printed off the county website and drove to the closest UPS. The notary checked our IDs and had a sign and then she signed, notarized the form and said congratulations.

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Yeah. Get out. Are you guys sure? Are you doing anything? No, he's just there. Just stamp. He was like, the to stamp. .

. like, congrats. All right, kiss. You want some stamps? Stamps. He gets out some confetti too. Like, he could be cute about it. Oh, that gets out one of those, he gets out one of those poppers. You're just like, next. Oh, no, not yet. It's another couple. They're fully in. Some comments. As a former notary slash UPS store employee, this would have made my week. Assuming you guys are nice, that is. Opie responded, ha, I like to think we are. We're now wondering how many other couples have been married in that store. Someone said, congrats. Someone said, congrats. to ask UPS for the surveillance footage so you can share your big day with your that's good. That's cute. And the man he needs to come back back to to to to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to come to to to to to the the to the the the the the to to to to to to to to to to to to the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the to to to to to to to to to their. to their. their. their their their their th. th. the. the. the. the. today. today. today. today. today. today. I. the. I. I. I. I th. I. I. I th. And the man, he needs to come back for the real wedding and be the officiant. Yeah. Thank you. UPS lady.

I ship it. Boo. My wife and I also got married at the UPS store. On purpose. Congratulations. Oh, someone said, just wait until Amazon delivers the kids. Lastly, someone said, hi, friend. Congratulations on your wedding. May you have many wonderful years together. I'd like to make a suggestion. Today, while your feelings are fresh, write each other a lovely note to give to the other

at some point in the future when things are hard. It'll remind you both why you love each other so much. Take care and again congratulations. I hope he responded an excellent suggestion. We'll definitely do that. Thank you. It's a good thing it was UPS and not fed. Oh, oh my god. Well, that's it. We have literally nothing else to say. Now we got, now we're done. Oh, how do we feel? That was that.

That was a journey. It was a journey. This episode, some episodes, I end them and I'm like, Yeah, that was heavy. A lot of people not communicating everything they needed. It's always, that's always that. It's always communication. Well, not always, because man number two communicated,

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