Snapped: Women Who Murder - BONUS: Liz Rogan and Tony DePuisaye-Greene (Snapped: Killer Couples)

Episode Date: July 16, 2025

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An unexpected tip will bring detectives head to head with a dangerous group of criminals and a twisted couple bound by an appetite for destruction. This was his first real girlfriend, and he was just seeing butterflies. If you're loving him, he loves you. Like, he's gonna do anything to protect you. She'd written,

New Age Bonnie and Clyde riding together till the homicide detectives pull us apart. When you get into a relationship like that, very few things that are good come out of it. This was, unfortunately, the perfect combination for murder. Deep in the expansive wilderness of Cowlitz County, Washington lies the small town of Riderwood. Riderwood's a neat little community that's set up around national forest and state forest

land. It's a rarity that the sheriff's office goes to the town of Riderwood because it's a peaceful place full of retirees. But on March 18, 2019, an urgent 911 call forces law enforcement out to this quiet area. 911 emergency, what are you reporting? Hey, what's going on? He's been dead on the kitchen floor.

Okay. I'm in the chair. Okay, he's laying on the kitchen floor. Dead, dead. Deputies with the Cowlitz County Sheriff's Office are immediately dispatched to the scene. Riderwood is at the northern tip of our county border. It's a good 40-minute drive, 45-minute drive to Riderwood. So it's a very remote area.

We sped up our response to get to that location. Ah! When we arrived on scene, I saw a female sitting outside the home on a truck. Like anyone would that respond to this type of scene, she was quite frantic and wanted immediate response from emergency services. So we go in and there was blood all over the floor. There was a large trauma to the face.

A quick pulse check helped me verify that the subject was deceased, slightly cold to the touch. It definitely looked like a gunshot wound to the facial area. We don't know if this is a homicide, if this is an accidental shooting. We secured the scene as best we could and waited for our detective unit and Detective Glatson to show up. When Cowlitz County detectives arrive, they begin the arduous task of processing the scene for evidence. The victim was laying on his back in a pool of blood and he had an apparent gunshot wound. That.45 caliber casing was found in the scene. When a gunshot occurs, the closer a gun

is held to somebody's body, the closer it is it's going to leave these little black marks that are called stippling. There is stippling all over his face. What that indicated to us is that his face was three feet or less from the barrel of the gun when he was shot and killed. While there's no sign of forced entry,

it's clear to detectives where the assailant likely entered and exited the home. The back door was wide open, and there was blood on the exterior of the door to show that that door was open at the time that he was shot. We have a realm of possibilities here. We were very interested in hearing what the 911 caller had to say. She said her name was Kayann. She said that she was the girlfriend of the deceased.

Said that she had come over to check on him because she tried to call him earlier in the morning. She couldn't get a hold of him. Cayenne identifies the victim as 47-year-old Travis Sieber. Cayenne was Travis' second alarm clock. Apparently, he had some difficulties waking up early in the morning for work. So she decided to drive over to his residence to make sure he was awake.

She walked in and found him in a kitchen floor floor laying on his back in a pool of blood. She was exhibiting shock or disbelief. You could tell it was difficult for her to kind of comprehend what was taking place. At this point in time, it is wide open as to who could have done this to Travis. We needed more information. An avid outdoorsman, Travis Sieber hit the jackpot when he landed in Riderwood, Washington. Travis grew up here in Washington state. Warren raised here, he's one of six siblings.

He moved to Riderwood area because he was an outdoorsman kind of guy. So anything related to outside, he was definitely interested and active in. He loved fishing, loved hunting, loved chickens, loved working with bees and beehives and making honey. A jack of all trades, Travis worked as a logger, a handyman and a driver for his brother's

pilot car company. He was a pilot. A pilot is a person that follows oversized roads. They would follow a truck and clear the way, make sure that no hit bridges, make sure the roads are wide enough, etc. He was very appreciated within that community and built a really good reputation. A lot of times he volunteered his work.

He had a big heart and I respect. Over the years, Travis had two children, but his romantic relationships never seemed to last. He never got married, but he did have female companions. In the process, he did have kids, a young man, and then he has a young daughter. They had a child that he was paying child support for that didn't currently live with him.

Travis lived the life of a bachelor. He liked to go out to the bars, and he liked to meet a lot of women. And yet, he never gave up hope that he would find the one. So when he met Kyan in 2007, he decided to give the relationship a shot. I know Kyan really cared for Travis. I know Travis really cared for her.

But on March 18th, 2019, Kyan finds Travis shot to death inside his home. Any homicide investigation, the person of interest is the person to find the victim. So that was my interest in speaking with her right away. Cayenne lived with him for a period of one year, but approximately three years prior to this incident, she had moved out of his house and lived

in a separate residence a couple miles away. But she still indicated that she was Travis's girlfriend. Tyann also reported that Travis was the victim of a burglary just a couple months earlier in January of 2019. She didn't offer up any explanation as to enemies, so obviously robbery, burglary, that could be a motive. But he didn't have a whole lot of cash or other valuables inside of his house. She said that he did have some jewelry,

and she noticed that that jewelry was missing. Travis' home had not been ransacked. But what you could tell is in Travis' bedroom, you could see fresh movement off of his dresser. There was dust that indicated things had recently been displaced. One of those items was a DVD player, and the other item was a DVR.

That went to Travis's surveillance system. Travis had security cameras across the entirety of his house from every direction. The wires from the security cameras went to that DVR, which is a hard drive, and would show who was at his house. That was ripped out of his bedroom. Travis's cell phone was also taken as well. In the murderer's haste to take the DVR equipment,

they knocked several envelopes from Travis' dresser onto the floor. The murderer stepped on the envelope on his way out with the DVR. It was apparent that the shoe print, the shoe impression that was left on the envelope on his way out with the DVR. It was apparent that the shoe print, the shoe impression that was left on the envelope was from the murderer because I analyzed all of Travis's and Kyan's shoes.

And none of those shoes masked the impression that was left on the envelope. Detectives wrap up their investigation at the house and notify Travis's family of his death. His brother Calvin arrives on the scene soon after. He really didn't have much information to offer as to who's Travis and his enemies might be, who he didn't get along with,

what problems he might be having with people. Travis was not the kind of person that healed people money or made threats to people. He was not that kind of guy that healed people money or made threats to people. He was not that kind of guy. So the big question is, who would do this to him? When detectives ask his brother about Travis's relationship with Kyan, he gives an entirely different description from Kyan's.

Kyan described herself as Travis's girlfriend. However, Travis's brother referred to the relationship between Travis and Cayenne as off and on relationship. And he didn't know what the current status was. How did Travis treat Cayenne? You know, he was rude to her at times. I mean, either they were together and life was good, or he was, get the hell out of here.

I want nothing to do with you. It seemed Cayenne was much more serious about the relationship than Travis. And he said, there are several women that were involved with him at the time of his murder. It was no secret within Travis's family and friends that he had a multitude of girlfriends, that he met women on dating apps and on social media.

Could Travis's exploits with other women have sent Cayenne into a jealous rage? Travis's relationship with Cayenne was certainly very peculiar. Those kind of relationships can go bad easily. And it was certainly a concern of ours that this relationship could have gone south. And it was certainly a concern of ours that this relationship could have gone south.

Coming up, the suspect list continues to grow as detectives uncover a salacious secret. She admitted she and Travis had an ongoing affair. I'm concerned that this love triangle could have gone bad. And a string of crimes will put a Bonnie and Clyde duo in their crosshairs. It was a dysfunctional relationship from the get-go that unfortunately ended up costing someone their life. In Riderwood, Washington, detectives have just learned that their murder victim, 47-year-old Travis Sieber, was dating other women while involved with his girlfriend and the 911 caller Cayenne Maloche.

So my first step was to have a sit-down interview with Kaian. I had her sit in the front seat of my car while I sat in the driver's seat, and I recorded our interview. First of all, just how long you have known Travis? I have known him for, I'd say, 12 years. Okay, and how long have you been in a dating relationship? About almost four. During those four years, did you guys have relationships with other people?

He would have an open-sided relationship. Like, he would sleep with other people. There's no other way to say it. Do you know, like, the names of the people he slept with? No. So you guys haven't been having any problems lately? No. OK.

And you don't know? Tyanne reported that she was last at Trapp's house the prior evening. And she reported that she was last at Trapp's house the prior evening. And she estimated that she left his house about 9 45 PM. And she was home the entire time between 9 45 PM and 7 AM the following morning. I asked her if she was OK with us analyzing her phone.

And she immediately turned her phone over to the police. Over the course of the four years that you've been dating him, has he had beef with other people? As far as somebody wanting to physically try and do anything, not that I'm aware of. Once Cayenne is released, a deputy approaches Detective Gladson. The deputy told me that there was a woman just down the hill that wanted to speak with the investigator. I went to the neighbor's house and I spoke with a female who advised

that she received a text message from Travis at 5.09 that morning. She wanted to relay that information to me so it would help narrow down the time frame in which Travis was murdered. The neighbor was in the process of making her daily coffee in preparation to go to a workout class when Travis sent her this high text message at 5 a.m.

She said she didn't see that text message until her workout class was over and deputies had already arrived on scene. We found a 5 a.m. text message to a neighbor woman who's married to be a little bit odd, but it was indicative to us that Travis was alive at 5 a.m. I knew at that point that this murder happened sometime between 5 a.m. and 5 a.m. I knew at that point that this murder happened sometime

between 5 a.m. and 7 a.m. Curious about the nature of their relationship, detectives asked the neighbor why Travis would text her so early in the morning. She admitted she and Travis had an ongoing affair going back to at least 2014. She revealed to us that she was last intimate with Travis about eight days prior to his murder.

Travis' neighbor was about Travis' age. She had a husband that was significantly older. I asked the neighbor if her husband was aware of the affair that Travis had with her, and she said he was aware, but he did not think it was ongoing. He thought it had stopped years earlier. I asked her how her husband would

react if he had saw a message on her cell phone that came from Travis. She said he would not be happy. Detectives consider the possibility that her spouse had secretly uncovered the betrayal. I'm concerned that we just love Triangle could have gone bad. At this point in time, the neighbors are absolutely persons of interest. When I spoke with the husband at his home,

he was aware of the past relationship that his wife had with Travis, but he didn't have any animosity or ill will towards Travis stemming from that relationship. They were neighborly with each other. We kinted around at the possibility that they were still having an intimate relationship, and he was clearly not aware of that. If they were involved with each other recently,

would you be surprised? I would be very surprised. Would you be upset? Yes, but I truly really don't think that in the last several years they had a sexual relationship. And I asked him if he had a firearm. And he confirmed that, that they don't have firearms,

never have had firearms. He doesn't believe in firearms. He was very genuine. It just seemed unlikely due to his age and his demeanor that he was involved. The neighbor is just simply not a violent person. We asked the husband if he believed his wife would be involved in the murder of Travis. And he said no.

I asked the neighbor if she would allow me to look at her phone. She was very reluctant to provide her cell phone. She decided that she had personal things on her phone that she didn't want to share with us and we ended up seizing was her communication with Travis in the days leading up to this murder. She had indicated that her and Travis were getting along fine. They were great. Their relationship was very friendly.

When we searched her phone, we found out that that wasn't so much the case. It was a very rocky relationship from the text messages. There was strong language from Travis to the neighbor. Travis had sent her some messages in which he told her to F off. It was clear that he was frustrated with her, being controlling, being overbearing, being jealous. But the neighbor's more recent texts to Travis

are most alarming to detectives. Shortly after I arrived, she sent a message that says, I hope you're doing well wherever you are. She sent him a third message saying that she forgot to give him his Christmas present. I found that really odd why she would send him text messages after she knew he was deceased. Detectives decide to bring Travis's neighbor

in for a formal interview. When confronted about the text messages, she's quick to explain her actions. The neighbor told us that she was a very spiritual, deep type of person. And so she felt she was connecting with Travis after he passed. That was strange. Definitely raised some questions.

There was no direct evidence on her phone showing that she was at Travis' house that morning. So while there's oddities about her relationship with Travis, we're going back to the drawing board a little bit here. Circling back to their original suspect, Travis' on-again, off-again girlfriend, Kyan, detectives received the results from her cell phone. The call detail records for Kyan's phone showed that when she called Travis the morning of the homicide, she was at her residence. Her story checked out and the cell phone records substantiated

that we're able to rule and I was a suspect in this. Detectives believe Travis is complicated love life still holds the key to solving his murder. One of the things that I am initially told us that Travis was missing in addition to the DVR equipment was his cell phone. We wrote search warrants to ping that phone and we had a pretty small grid area where we believed the phone had been ditched. We believed it was discarded along State Route 506.

We conducted two search and rescue missions in that area in an attempt to try and locate that cell phone. It was very difficult terrain. There were blackberry bushes, steep hills, ravines, creeks. Our search and rescue folks were beaten brush for two days trying to find the cell phone. There was a search for it and they were not finding it. And the ping became more and more faint

till they weren't able to recover it. So we do a search word to Facebook. The dating site said he's on his email, his phone records, and we're identifying all the people that he's in contact with. Travis was having a lot of relationships with a lot of different women, and some of those women were married women.

So there was certainly some concerns that one of these married women's husband found out about the extramarital affair and decided to take matters into his own hands. We're making phone calls. We're looking at the criminal history on people to see if they'd be upset or capable of this. In homicide investigations, you have

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This crime definitely had an impact on the Riderwood community. It's a community that people aren't typically locking their door. They don't see any violent crime. I've never heard of a murder in Riderwood before this case. We're spinning our wheels for three weeks, just going through data, and we're not getting anywhere.

We're just waiting until a lead breaks. This was really devastating for my family, my wife, my mother-in-law, my brother-in-laws. That waiting in the unknown was very draining. But we understood, you know, this is going to take time. You got to figure out who did it and why. You know, what's their plan? Is there any evidence of a suspect?

And at the time, there wasn't. There wasn't anything obvious. So it was a whodunit type case. Then, on April 8, Cowlitz County detectives receive case breaking information from the Centralia Police Department nearly 40 miles north. Essentially, Centralia PD, since mid-March,

was getting rocked by downtown burglaries. There was at least a dozen commercial businesses that were burglarized. From cell phone businesses, coffee stands, tattoo shops, Mexican restaurant. Mainly they were attacking the cash register and safes looking for money. It was almost a nightly occurrence. looking for money. It was almost a nightly occurrence. They assembled a task force to specifically focus on and in this commercial burglary ring that they were having.

They all had the same MO, same group of individuals committing the burglaries. One of the Centraia patrol officers who had been working a couple of the cases ended up identifying one of the Centralia Patrol officers who had been working a couple of the cases, ended up identifying one of the suspects through surveillance videos at the stores. Centralia Police worked quickly to apprehend the suspect, a 29-year-old resident named Patrick Gish. Patrick Gish was the first one identified. We ended up setting up surveillance on residents at South Rock Street in Sentraia.

We entered the residence and located him hiding upstairs and he was taken into custody. Patrick Gish was transported to the police department and wanted to cooperate with law enforcement. He admitted to participating in burglaries. But as police press Patrick about the identities of his co-conspirators, he reveals a damning piece of information. He told the detectives about a murder that occurred in Riderwood. He told the detectives about a murder that occurred in Riderwood. He said that one of the other suspects in the burglary used a.45 caliber pistol to murder a guy where he shot him

in the face near his back door. We were aware that there was a homicide in Riderwood. So all this information was relayed to Detective Gladson. It was never released that the gunshot wound was to the face. It was never released that it was by a.45 caliber gun. So with Patrick knowing those two things, we certainly want to talk to him right away. Calhats County detectives immediately respond

to the Centralia Police Department to speak with Patrick. He's obviously providing information. He described the gun. It was a police issue 45 with the grip safety. It's like black. He also told us that the suspect took the DVR to the security system and the cell phone belonging to the victim and got rid of it. Patrick explains that the suspect is one of his fellow accomplices in the burglary ring. Patrick Gish told us his friend Anthony DuPoissey Green,

who goes by Tony, committed this murder. This is the first time that I'd heard the name Anthony DuPoissey Green in our investigation. How long have you known Tony? I met him in prison. How long ago? 2016. Tony's not a stranger to the criminal justice system.

He's been in and out throughout a good portion of his life. Gish got out, came back to Centralia, and then Tony got out and reconnected with Gish, committing burglaries. The way it sounded was that Tony was the leader of this, this band of thieves breaking into these businesses. According to Patrick, he and Tony have been crashing at the home of Tony's girlfriend, 43-year-old Liz Rogan. How long have you been staying with him?

About a couple months. You had told me that he was with one of the burglaries. Yeah, it was me and him at the Foxy lighting. Which one of the video was in the branch and the gun, the police van? That's Tony. Yeah, I don't know about that. I don't mess with guns. When Tony and Gish and the others were out committing these burglaries,

they would use Liz's car, and Liz would act as a lookout for them while they were breaking into the businesses. With this information, Centralia police secure a search warrant for Liz's home. But she isn't there. On her property, however, they make a crucial discovery. One of the huge pieces of evidence

that was recovered from Ms. Rogan's residence was the firearm. It was determined to be the firearm that was used in the murder. The gun was just in hiding in plain sight, if you will. There was a bag that was hanging on the fence at the front of the residence I looked into the bag and there's a cold 45 1911 sitting in the bag

Three weeks after Travis Siebers murder Cowlitz County and Centralia police agencies have uncovered the murder weapon at Liz Rogan's residence. Detectives surveil the home in hopes Liz will return. Liz showed up later in the day. She was a little nervous and apprehensive. She was hesitant in answering questions. Liz was actually transported to the Centraia Police Department to give an interview.

When Cowlitz County Detectives sit down with Liz and question her about Travis Sieber, she explains an unexpected connection. How do you know Travis? I met him back in 2014 online. Online? Do you remember what site that was? POF. According to Liz, she kept her dating profile active, which is where she met Tony DePuisé Green in late 2018. And they began dating just the months prior to this murder. They hit it off fast.

They were out spending money, going to casinos. It wasn't long after they began dating that they started committing burglaries together, and a lot of them. When you look at Liz's history, she is not a stranger to the criminal justice system. None of these folks really were. They enjoyed this

Bonnie and Clyde lifestyle. They were loving it. They were eating it up. But Liz claims that not long into their relationship she began to encounter a darker side to Tony. What kind of relationship did you and Tony have? In the beginning it was good. And then how did it change? He started to regressive. She implied that Tony was very controlling, that she was fearful of him. Tony has been described as having an explosive temper.

One night, Tony was going through her dating websites and found a message from Travis to her. Who reached out to who a few months ago when you guys recently reconnected again? He reached out to her. Who reached out to who a few months ago when you guys recently reconnected again? He reached out to me. Travis reached out to you? What was this conversation with you? There's a mortgage that's just kind of touching up.

And that message upset Tony. So Tony comes up with the idea to rob Travis. That idea consists of Liz distracting Travis Travis and while they're engaged inside, Tony is going to burglarize the residence. According to Liz, on March 17th, Tony told her to take him to Travis' house so they could execute the plan. Did you call Travis before you arrived? Text on Facebook, anything? Just showed up? house so they could execute the plan. So, he let you come in the house and ask you to use the bathroom? What happened next? Did Travis open the door initially for him?

And we just pretty shut it. And he locked it. Then he said, I was in it. He just told him to. And he stopped. What did Travis do now? He just stood there and just stared at me. And I was just... So I just went home.

And I opened the door. And I ran off the porch. I was standing in the driveway, looking around, trying to see where he was. She was yelling for Tony, but she realized that he ran around to the back door because she could hear them yelling and screaming back there. And then she heard the single gunshot. She said she panicked and she wanted to leave,

but she couldn't leave because Tony had the keys. When Tony finally emerges from Travis' residence, he's got what she described as these black boxes in his hands that he's carrying. And he gets in the passenger seat, and they drive off. What do you think would have happened if you had drove by Travis' house and said, I can't find the thing?

It was too much. OK. Just tell me that you had people watching me. She portrayed herself as a victim throughout this whole thing and portrayed Tony as a monster. When detectives press Liz about Tony's whereabouts, she says she doesn't know. But authorities are able to track down

his relatives nearby. A detective showed up and he's like, hey, can I ask you a few questions? And I was like, yeah, of course. Like, I have nothing to hide, you know? Tony's family is stunned to learn of his alleged involvement in Travis Sieber's murder. I was shocked and kind of bummed. I was like, how could he have done this?

I didn't really know what to think. What we learned was that Tony had a dysfunctional upbringing. He had a difficult childhood. Tony and I, my brothers and sisters, I believe there's nine of us that I know of. He spent most of his teenage years in and out of juvenile. When he became an adult, he continued that trend. He spent most of his adult life in prison. Tony was a teenage years in and out of juvenile. When he became an adult, he continued that trend. He spent most of his adult life in prison. Tony was a very violent person.

He has a long history of violent crimes. He was released from prison just months before this murder. Tony gets out of prison and he meets Elizabeth Rogan. According to Tony's family, he and Liz shared a passionate connection. Tony was infatuated with Liz. This was his first real girlfriend, and he was just seeing butterflies. If he knows you're loving him, he loves you.

He's going to do anything it takes to protect you, to love you, to cherish you, no matter what it be. It wasn't long after they began dating that Liz moved Tony into her house. After speaking with Tony's family, authorities finally track him down when he arrives at his home. He is taken into custody without incident.

I brought Tony into an interview room. I read him his rights, and I told him this was regarding the murder that occurred in Riderwood, expecting a significant response and a reaction from him. And all he did was smile. He loitered up, as they say. He was very confident and cocky. There's certainly a lot more evidence that he's collected to prove his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

But at this point I have established probable cause that he committed this crime. Authorities also arrest Liz Rogan and charge her with Travis' murder. Liz claimed that she acted under duress because she did what Tony told her to because he had a gun. I later spoke with other people who are closely connected to both Liz and Tony, and they advised that the relationship wasn't at all that way. That Liz could hold her own and that she oftentimes told Tony what to do. She's trying to be dismissive of her involvement and pin this all on Tony.

When detectives search Liz's car, their suspicions are confirmed. When the search warrant served on Liz's car, a diary is located. Inside the front cover of that diary, she had written, the new age Bonnie and Clyde, riding together until the wheels fall Bonnie and Clyde, riding together until the wheels fall off, and the homicide

detectives pry us apart. Usually you see remorse in situations like that. And Liz is glorifying it and making it romantic in her diary. Coming up, authorities face challenging questions as they prepare for their day in court. He told me that the man was on top of her and she was yelling, help, help.

He painted this picture of unwelcome sexual behavior then he came to arrest here. Detectives in Cowlitz County, Washington have arrested Liz Rogan and her boyfriend, Tony Dupuis-E Green, for the murder of Travis Sieber. While the crime's true mastermind is still unclear, authorities believe that Liz played a much larger role than she is claimed. She's dating a 26-year-old man who will do essentially whatever she asks of him.

She's getting to live this wild, crazy lifestyle, all on his dime, all on his crime, and she's just enjoying every minute of it. When detectives execute a search warrant on Liz and Tony's cell phone records, they find more evidence that links the couple to the January burglary Travis's girlfriend, Kyan, had told them about. And what this communication between Tony and Liz revealed on January 18th, two months to the day before the murder, was they went out there with a specific plan for Liz to go in and distract Travis while Tony Tony burglarizes house.

She's feeding Travis drinks, trying to get him to pass out. All the while, texting Tony, telling Tony, valuables here, telling him what there is to take. Eventually, Travis gets to the point where he is intoxicated. Tony's telling Liz, there's not much here, where am I supposed to look? I don't see any money. Not much for valuables. And they decide to get out of there. That was really the key discovery in the case, key evidence,

because it told us a lot more about what was going on. And that was that two months later, they would return and Tony would murder Travis Sieber. Working alongside the Centralia police, Cowlitz detectives find evidence that bolsters their case against Tony. At the scene on an envelope, there was a shoe tread impression.

We had the lab analyze that, and ultimately the lab found it belonged to a certain type of fubu shoe. The detectives were able to get surveillance video that showed Tony wearing a fubu shoe, which became very important. We found five instances before the murder in which we found Tony on video. In all five of those instances, he's wearing black midnight fubu shoes. Also, Patrick Gish, an informant, and Liz told me that Tony wore black fubu shoes up

to the point of the murder, and that he had not seen him wear those same shoes of the murder, and that he had not seen him wear those same shoes after the murder. While detectives are unable to recover the sneakers, the evidence is overwhelming. But as authorities prepare for trial, Tony makes a startling claim. I was interested in listening to Tony's phone calls

from prison after this murder. And in those phone calls, he painted this picture of Travis having unwelcome sexual behavior towards Liz and he came to the rescue. I had had a visit with him in prison and Tony told me that he heard screaming. He went up to the window and had seen that the man was on top of her with his pants down. And she was yelling, help, help. And he tried to get in the door, and the guy had met him at the door with a gun. And they wrestled around for a little bit,

and Tony ended up with the gun and shot him. There was no evidence whatsoever that Liz was ever attacked by Travis that day. There was no evidence at all that there was an actual struggle, a physical struggle between Travis and Tony anywhere near the back door. What we do know is the back door was open, where I believe Tony just marched in,

stuck the gun right in Travis' face, and pulled the trigger. I think Travis was killed because Tony was infatuated with Liz. I think there was a jealousy factor. It was a dysfunctional relationship from the get-go that unfortunately ended up costing someone their life. And when you get into a relationship like that, very few things that are good come out of it. Liz and Tony's personalities, when you put those together

and you factor in Tony's violent nature, and then you take Liz, where she's very self-centered and romanticizes Tony's behavior, this was unfortunately the perfect combination for what we saw. Ultimately, Liz is given the opportunity to reduce her charges. There was an agreement reached with Liz through her attorney that she would agree to testify truthfully against Tony in his trial, and she would plead guilty ultimately

to murder in the second degree in a 15 year sentence. With the prospect of Liz testifying against him, Tony also accepts a plea deal. We ended up making an offer to Tony to plead guilty to murder in the first degree and 45 years in prison. We're very fortunate that he received a 45-year sentence. I don't know that I've ever investigated a murderer who I felt was more likely to kill again than I feel about Tony. He's just a dangerous individual and he needs to be in prison.

Liz is equally dangerous. I don't believe that she's sad that Travis' family is grieving. I believe that she's sad that she's sitting in prison. Throughout this investigation, Liz never grasped the concept of what she did. She glorified what they did and she was the catalyst to what happened. She should have got more. She's the one that caused the ultimate outcome of this investigation.

If it wasn't for her, this would have never happened. Now we don't have Travis and the family grieve for years. Nothing will change that. The way to remember Travis was he was very caring, he had a big heart, he definitely loved his family, and he's missed. Tony and Liz no longer communicate. He blames her for their unequal sentences. Liz Rogan is scheduled for a release in 2032. Tony de Pouillet-Green is scheduled for release in 2061.

I'm Alice Levine. And I'm Matt Ford. And we're the hosts of Wanderers podcast, British Scandal. Pray good fellow, please join us in our latest most gripping series. What on earth are you doing? Well, speaking in Tudor English, you know, because we're doing Amberlyn. So I thought it would help people get in the mood and take them back to the court of King Henry VIII.

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