Snapped: Women Who Murder - Carleen Charlie

Episode Date: June 12, 2022

After a wrathful killer strikes a small Alaskan village, investigators must untangle a truly twisted romance to find out what led to this rage-filled stabbing.Season 27, Episode 3Originally aired: March 22, 2020Watch full episodes of Snapped for FREE on the Oxygen app: https://oxygentv.app.link/WsLCJWqmIebSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Hi, I'm Lindsey Graham, the host of Wondries Podcast American Scandal. Our newest series looks at the story of OxyContin, a popular painkiller that helps spur an epidemic of addiction and drug abuse, in which prompted a broad campaign to hold the pharmaceutical industry accountable. Listen to American Scandal on Amazon Music or wherever you get your podcasts. Growing up in a remote, Alaskan village, the love stories start young. She was crazy about him, and I could remember her being a little girl, wanting to move in with us.

For her, they were going to be married and live happily ever after. But early one spring morning, dreams of wedding bells and white dresses are stained red. There was blood all over the floor, blood all over the couch. The crime scene was horrendous. Details of a violent night quickly reveal a killer's wrath. She heard fighting.

She saw a hooded figure leave the house. He stabbed somebody in the chest five times. That's personal. When a fantasy is dismantled, a deadly sin can't be contained. It was just such a rage killing that it was fueled by Josie and Anger. Nobody really knew the monster that was underneath.

It was a weird, eerie feeling that I've never experienced in all my life. Love fueled hate and anger and it had been a tragedy. In the remote Athabaskin village of Mento, Alaska, things are usually quiet. Mento is located around 30 miles north of Western Fairbanks. It's on a hill looking over the toll van over. You're talking generations of Alaska natives that just grow up there and build their families. A lot of them live off the grid. So you've got sometimes no internet, no running water.

So it's very different. On the morning of May 2nd, 2013, lifelong Mento resident Lori Baker receives an unexpected phone call from 24-year-old Carlene Charley, a friend of her son, hello. She said, Laurie, Jordan's been stabbed. And my immediate reaction is where? Carleen has stated that Jordan was house sitting for a cousin, and that's where she found him. There is no 9-1-1 service in Mento. So Laurie and her boyfriend rushed to the home just

down the street from her own. It took two to three minutes and we were there. When we walked in, I seen my son laying on the couch in the living room. There was a big couch and then blood all over the floor, blood all over the couch. It was a brutal, very bloody scene. You got a man who was stabbed several times in cold blood. Lori sends her boyfriend to get help from Mentos Medical Emergency Services.

Most of the rural communities are serviced by a health aid. This is not something where Fairbanks Memorial Hospital, 126 miles away, it's going to be of any assistance. While she waits, Lori attempts to stop the bleeding. Her son's friend, Carlene, is distraught. I began to apply pressure on his chest, and I'm calling his name. Calling his name, he was early in the night.

Carlean is behind me, just yelling at me to save him, to save him, to help him. And I turned around and I told her to shut off and sit down. Minutes later, Lori receives assistance. The help they've arrived, and they start doing what they need to do. And I'm helping them and all I knew was he needed help. We were going to try to save him. Born in 1987, Jordan Baker was raised in the Native community of Mento Alaska as a member of the United States of America. The help they've been through is a very important part of the world.

The help they've been through is a very important part of the world. Born in 1987, Jordan Baker was raised in the native community of Mento, Alaska as a member of the Asabascan tribe. We are one big family. A bunch of individual families, but one big family. Whenever someone is in need, we look out for each other. We're a close community. Somebody gets the most. Somebody can't go out hunting themselves. We give them some of our meat. That's just how it's been. It's this part of our tradition.

They have gatherings and the whole village comes to everybody, participates everybody, contributes. And a lot of this happens at Laurie Baker's house. She's got one of the biggest houses there. Laurie had a big brood to fill her large home. There was a total of eight of them. We took in nephews and nieces, but we had four children of our own.

Jordan was the oldest. Even though Jordan came from a large family, all of the children in Mento felt like siblings. Jordan, he was always the one that would just come up with an idea, like playing cake-to-can on the road and hide and seek around, like, the whole village, just hanging out at each other's houses so he just grew group of us. As Jordan and his peers grew into teenagers,

they found less innocent ways to entertain themselves. There's no such thing as Walmart. There's no such thing as the movies. There's no such thing as going to the club, you know? So that's where it becomes interesting, because fun in a village setting can be kind of dangerous sometimes. Mento is what it's called, a local option community, meaning alcohol is prohibited, but, you know, it comes in. It's not your typical cocktail hour. It's heavy drinking. Until you might not remember the next day. Throughout the evolution from hide and seek to all night parties, there was one young woman who had been a part of Jordan's life

from the start, Carlene Charlie. These two grew up in the same way. The same thing happened to her. She was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a woman who was a there was one young woman who had been a part of Jordan's life from the start, Carlene Charlie. These two grew up around each other. Carlene had felt a certain way for Jordan. We lived on the same street. She was crazy about him.

And I could remember her being a little girl coming to visit and wanting to move in with us. So it started out at a very young age. Like Jordan, Carlene grew up steeped in the culture and traditions of the Athabaskin tribe. She played music, she learned how to play the drums, so she played with the local bands here in the village. The Charlie family is wide-ranging and very well respected.

But by the time she was a teenager, Carlene had turned her interest back to her childhood crush. It was literally like the world started and stopped with him. In her mind, that's her future husband. In spite of Carlene's crush, Jordan only wanted to be friends with the occasional exception. There was a sexual relationship. Most of the time, it was alcohol-fueled.

For him, it was just, we drink every now and then, we hook up, and I'll see you when I see you, so to speak. We hook up and I'll see you when I see you so to speak. When Jordan was 23 his carefree party life was interrupted by a sobering blow. Jordan's father passed away November 2, 2010. And it was any child that lose a parent because I lost my father. So I knew exactly how my children felt. It had an impact on their lives. Jordan was mad.

I remember that clearly as well. The day his father passed away, he was mad. In the wake of his father's death, Jordan threw himself into a variety of pursuits. Jordan was just unique in his own way. He got into gardening. He started trying different things, cooking and making dinners. And he also worked as a firefighter.

And he worked in the community as well, doing different jobs. In 2013, 26-year-old Jordan announced to his family that he wanted to make a career out of one of his many interests. He was in the process of filling out paperwork to attend school. He wanted to pursue cooking. He was turning towards making it bitter for himself. But on May 2nd, 2013, Jordan's dream dwindles as he bleeds out from multiple stab wounds. Despite his grim condition, village health aids work

to save Jordan's life. They're trying to find any signs of life. They cut his shirt away, see multiple stab wounds, determine after a few more minutes that he was deceased. I looked at one of our health Aids. She shook her head, and I knew by then we stopped. We got a sheet. I covered my son.

I kissed him on the forehead. As Jordan's mother says goodbye to her son, the aid summons law enforcement from the nearest major city. In Fairbanks, investigators henry Qing and Kirsten Hansen get the call. The investigator Hansen and I was approached by the last beer investigation told us,

hey, we've got a homicide out in Minto. You guys need to see it up and head out. And so we grabbed our two go bags. It has all our essentials to process crime scenes. And if you're going out too far village, you could be, you know, a day's travel. So you got one shot to get it. And so you got it.

Coming up, as investigators take in the crime scene and unlikely witness the merges. I saw a little hole in the ground scene, an unlikely witness emerges. I saw a little hole in the ground with a raiden footprint, and there was some blood on it. And Mento fears the wrath of a killer amongst them. It wasn't a crime where someone just walked into town and did this. That may stab wounds, it's crime-passion.

Something triggered that. -♪ May 2, 2013. Alaska State Troopers are on their way to the remote village of Mento to investigate the stabbing death of 26-year-old Jordan Baker. One of the challenges for investigating a crime scene out in one of the villages is logistics.

You don't have a lot of backup troopers oftentimes are just traveling with one trooper. You travel down together and that's getting hands in and myself. You've got just a terribly bloody scene in the middle of a village where it takes hours for the troopers to even arrive. In the first couple of hours, it's absolute chaos. A VPSO village public safety officer kept a watch over the deceased. It's just a matter of just waiting for law enforcement to arrive. With the house secure, Jordan's mom, Laurie Baker,

and her son's friend, Carlene Charley, depart from the horrific scene. We go to my home by then, word has gotten out. And when something like this happens, a death in our community regardless of how the person passed away, we gather at the family's home. how the person passed away, we gather at the family's home. Investigators, henry ching and Kirsten Hansen roll in from Fairbanks, along with a crime scene tech.

As you enter, it was living room area. There was light colored couch, blood on the floor, blood on the couch, bloody flip prints were everywhere. Jordan Baker was on the couch with a sheet over him, and he only had a t-shirt and no bottoms. I removed the sheet from Jordan, and merely noticed his deep stab wounds in his chest, a pretorsal area.

The investigator surveyed the scene, and he's starting to build his case in his head. He stabbed somebody in the chest five times. That's personal. I noticed he had defensive wounds on his forearms and on his hands, and that's from obviously trying to fight off the person with a knife. They can see that he had been stabbed by a sharp object.

So now their first thing is where's the knife? It's not there around the victim or anything like that. I knew how to be somewhere as I was like, man, this person isn't gonna stab Jordan and then walk around the village with a knife. And so I stood outside the cabin and I was like, man, if I was him, what would I do? I looked over to the side and seen the bluff,

and I was like, I'd chuck it. Investigator Chang soon receives a tip from an unexpected source. I saw a raven kind of flying around. I'm like, I wonder what he's doing. And raven had landed in the snow, and then took off. Got about three yards from the house, and I saw a little hole in the snow and then took off. We got about 30 yards from the house and I saw a little hole in the ground with a Raven footprint. And there was some blood on it.

And that's where I found the murder weapon. I was like, that's a odd one. Why would the Raven land right there? Their next step after finding the knife, who does the knife belong to, we've got to find a suspect. After finding the knife, who does the knife belong to, we've got to find a suspect. The victim's injuries lead investigator,

Qing, to an early conclusion. That may stab wounds and the defensive wounds. Typically, when you see that, it shows a lot of anger. Something triggered that to make them and violently attack like that. It wasn't a crime where someone just walked into town and did this. We're talking mental Alaska, 200 people.

You're not just going to come walking in a place like that. Commit a crime and then just leave. Everybody knows everybody. So when you come into a village as an outsider, everybody looks. Witnesses at the crime scene tell investigators that Jordan's friend, Carlene, was the first to report the stabbing. They had heard that Carlene may have been over at Laurie's when they got there to go look for her.

She wasn't there. When investigator Hanson asks Lori where Carlene is, Lori says she sent Carlene away to collect herself. She's just wailing, and I think at one point, I told her to calm down. And I think I told her cousin or aunt, whoever, to take her home. Lori tells investigators she talked to Jordan

before he went to his cousin's house. And he says, Mom, I'm not too sure what I'm going to do tonight. We might watch a movie. I said, who's we? He said, I don't know if you have those, Carly. And I said, well, son, be careful. You know, I love you. And that's the last time I see him.

She was very forthcoming. She had told the investigators that she was awakened by phone call. It was from Carly stating that Jordan had been stabbed. Next step is to question Carleen. Investigator Hanson finds 24-year-old Carleen at her cousin, Francine's house nearby. The investigators found Carleen with her head on the table in obvious distress. For investigative purposes, Carleen with her head on the table in obvious distress.

For investigative purposes, Carleen was photographed from head to toe. Mine knew she had blood all over her. As investigator Hansen collects basic information, Carleen explains that she's known Jordan for as long as she can remember her. They had an off-nonsat relationship, but they were, I don't believe that they were ever

boyfriend and girlfriend. It was very low-key and just strictly sexual. Carlene says the night of the murder, she was hanging out with Jordan at his cousin's house when one of their friends Tyler arrived. Carlene and Jordan were eating dinner, and Tyler shows up with some alcohol. When we learned that, it got some liquor

from one of the blue layers in town, and it had been partying. Carleen says she quickly began feeling the effects of the liquor, and while trying to cut her steak, the knife slipped. We started drinking. That's when she says she sustained a cut on her finger. Carling stated to investigators that she needed a bandage

for her cut on her finger. She went to her grandmother's house, seeking a bandage. About an hour later, Carling decided to rejoin her friends. Carling told investigators coming back from her grandmother's house. She heard fighting. She kind of waited outside. She saw a hooded figure leave the house.

It pulled his hoodie over his head and reached down to the ground and grabbed something. And then just walked out and walked right down the street. She went into the residence and that's where she found Jordan bleeding. Investigators asked Carlene who she thought it was that left the house after the fight. She told investigators she thought it was Tyler. Investigator Hanson asks Carlene for the clothes she was wearing when she found Jordan. Carlene turned over all of her bloody clothing to investigators. There was also a bloody sweatshirt.

She stated to investigators that was left in the snow outside the crime scene. It's Carlene sweatshirt. Investigators were also able to get that as well. With Carleans closed, logged into evidence, investigators focus on their next move. Obviously, we really wanted to touch Tyler. When investigators track Tyler down, he agrees to meet with them at the community lodge

for an interview. Tyler had his parents present. Tyler says he didn't bring the alcohol to this get together. He wasn't drinking. Carling and Jordan were drinking, and they got drunk. Says he went home, and that was in total conflict with what Carling had to say to investigators. Investigators are eager to find out why Tyler's story

doesn't match Carlene's. But before they can get to the bottom of it, the conversation grinds to a halt. Tyler's parents cut the interview short. We're getting the lawyer. Once they say the lawyer, you know, we can't talk to him. Why would you lawyer up? It made me think he had something to do with it.

Unable to thoroughly question Tyler, investigators go for the next best thing. We get to search warrant for the president's Tyler, where he was supposedly living at. As investigators approach the front door, they immediately spot a red flag. I see that there's blood on the door, Jim. Automatically, their antennas go up. We've got something here. Coming up, detectives work to nail down a suspect and put a community at ease.

What's hell? Not knowing who did this? A murder like this can break a community into. But everything changes when another life is put on the line. Family members were able to restrain her and get the knife away from her. We get to call troops you can respond to this residence. We're there, everybody's crying. Whatever your plans this summer, podcasts will make them better.

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Carlene tells investigators that she heard the fight. She sees the hooded figure, who she describes as Tyler leaving the home. And she goes in and finds Jordan deceased on the couch. Investigators obviously think that's their suspect, Tyler. After an unsuccessful attempt to question Tyler, investigators have just uncovered a promising lead. Tyler is loyered up. They go to Tyler's house.

They find blood at the house. I'm super excited because it's starting to corroborate some of the statements from Carlene because there's blood. And then as you enter the Arctic entryway, similar to I guess a mud room, there's blood all over the floor. Obviously we're getting more excited. You know, like, oh, man, you know, what have we got here? As quickly as their excitement builds,

it begins to fizzle with another discovery. I started seeing moose hair, and I was like, maybe this is not human blood. A lot of times in the village, Nell shoots something a moose, or a seal, and they're cleaning them, or skinning them in the living room of their residents. The crime scene technicians conduct a field test right there on the scene.

Results come back, it's not human blood. Investigators move through the rest of the home in search of evidence. I'm looking for articles of clothing, things like that, just see if there's any blood on it. We went in the bathroom, there's a hammer full of clothes. So we dumped out the hammer, didn't find anything. Just as investigators are wrapping up a fruitless search, they receive an urgent message.

We get the call. You know, on a radio, hey, Trubes Union responded to this residence. Carleen, Charlie, try to commit suicide. Investigators rush to the home of Carleen's cousin, where they find a chaotic scene. Only there, everybody's crying. Carleen is hysterical, saying, I want to be with Jordan.

You know, I want to be with Jordan. She loves him, and she want to be with Jordan. You know, I want to be with Jordan. She loves him, and she needs to be with him. Carleen had grabbed a kitchen knife, and she began stabbing herself in the torso. Family members were able to restrain Carleen, get the knife away from her, so she couldn't further harm herself or hurt others.

Our wounds were superficial, basically. She'd stabbed herself, but nothing life-frightening. After the health aid looked over her and examined her, it was decided that she'd be taking the Fairbanks Memorial Hospital. I knew it's not something where an ambulance just comes right down the street or anything like that.

She had to be airlifted. Carlene's attempt to take her own life leaves investigators with questions. Why is she doing this? Is she distraught over his death? Or did she have something to do with this? Investigators will have to wait for answers. After an intensive 16-hour investigative effort in Mento, the troopers head back to Fairbanks.

Out here in Alaska, you got one shot to get evidence and collect evidence and that sort of thing, because once you leave the scene, it's gone. I'm asking to Hanson and I didn't leave until three o'clock the next morning, so we were exhausted trying to keep each other awake while we drove back to Fairbanks. On the evening of May 3rd, investigators confront Carlene at the Fairbanks Hospital

where she is recovering from her suicide attempt. Carlene continued to deny that she had anything to do with Jordan's death. Said that she loved Jordan and would never do anything to her. Carleen states that we were in love, and we were always meant to be together. My all-home moment would have been when

she tried to commit suicide. At this point, Carleen was a suspect, you know, but we just didn't have the smoking gun service be. Over the next few weeks, investigators make several trips back to Mento in search of anything that might propel the case forward. You're doing follow-ups. You might have to do some re-interviews of people

and stuff like that. Things start to slow down. The case is not going cold, but we're not getting any results. As progress in the investigation slows, the unsolved murder takes a toll on the tight-knit village. Was hell not knowing who did this or what happened? I seen a change in my village. Doors were shut, curtains were drawn early in the day.

This is summertime. There was a sense of scaredness, a weird feeling, eerie feeling that I've never experienced and all my life live in here. Jordan's friends and families say their final farewells through an Athabaskin tradition. Whenever the family is ready to, you know, say their final goodbye and let go. That is when they'll put up a memorial. The memorial potlunch is the final thing you'll ever do

for a loved one that had passed on. There's a song that is made that is only saying during this time, so it's a very powerful, emotional time. While the family mourns, investigators continue to focus on Carlene and Tyler. You've got two potential suspects. Both of them have conflicting stories. One of them's lying, or maybe both of them are lying. Everybody knew who was being investigated.

It was no secret. Kyler still loyered up, so all we have here is Carlene's inside of things. When detectives receive the results of blood analysis from the lab, a key piece of evidence stands out. One of the primary pieces of evidence they had is that bloody sweatshirt found outside the crime scene. It's Carly and sweatshirt.

There was the arterial blood and stuff on the clothing. Our tear blood is like real frothing, like sprayed on you. It's not just like you spill blood on your leg or something like that. The evidence calls Carlyne's account into question. Her story wasn't adding up. She had stated that she found Jordan bleeding. That's how she got all the blood on her sweater.

A lot of the blood that they saw on the sweatshirt was arterial blood, meaning it got on the shirt as Jordan was being stabbed. Not from Carlyne trying to save Jordan's life. Investigators now have evidence that supports their doubts about Carly's story. I believe that investigator Hansen was leaning a lot towards Carly and Charlie at this point. Coming up, an unexpected lead arises from a family betrayal.

She shall compelled to do the right thing. She came to them. I did it. I can't live like this. I did it. By the late spring of 2013, Alaska State Troopers working the murder of 26-year-old Jordan Baker

in the remote village of Mento have strong suspicions about his friend, Carlene Charlie. Carlene is telling us one thing. The evidence is saying something totally different. Almost three weeks after the crime, Carlene tries to put down roots outside of Mento. Carlene has been discharged from the hospital. She can't go back to Mento.

You just can't go back into a small community like that, with the pure and simple fact that all eyes are on you. So, Carlene decided that she needed to move on in Anchorage. Investigators work in Anchorage. MUSIC Investigators work for the next few weeks to build a case against Carlene. On July 16th, they get the break they've been waiting for.

That's your answer to the case. Yeah, she's looking at photos from the crime scene. And during this process, she gets to call from Bessarine, Carlene's cousin, who lives in Anchorage. Bessarine has information related to the murder case. Information that they may be very interested in. Bessarine Gonzalez tells investigators that following Jordan's murder,

Carlene moved to Anchorage to live with her, but it hasn't been easy. It's almost a 24-hour job for her, caring for her cousin, who continues to state that she wants to kill herself. Bessarine tells investigators she'd spent many days trying to console her cousin. Then, on July 16, their conversation took a turn when Carlene finally came clean about what was really weighing on her conscience. One day, they're holding a conversation and Carlene comes clean.

Two bests are in as to why she's been feeling the way she's feeling. Carleen wasn't feeling pain over what had happened to Jordan. It was guilt. Carleen made some confessions to her about her involvement in the death of Jordan Baker. Descreen had told us that Carleen said that she had stabbed Jordan five times. There's nothing tighter than somebody

saying to their family, I did it. There's no coercion there. She came to them. I did it. I can't live like this. I did it. Bessereen says she felt she had no choice but to contact authorities. I think Bessereen was she felt she had no choice but to contact authorities.

I think Bessarine was just a good person, let her cousin did was wrong. And so she felt compelled to do the right thing. Investigators quickly appealed to Bessarine's desire to help. I immediately asked her if she's willing to talk to Carlyne on a wire. Basically, I recorded a conversation, and she said that she was Mr. Hanson. I got a search warrant for that and got approved, and we flew to Anchorage.

Within hours, investigators are fitting Bessarine with a wire and coaching her on what to say to Carlyne. So the plan is, when she comes in, we set her up with audio devices. She says she's gonna talk with Carlene and they're gonna go for a walk. And in this walk is where she's gonna try to get her to confess to her again. She was very nervous as anybody would be.

She had a lot of concerns. But, you know, her wanting to do right overcame her fears and she cooperated in a heart set. Investigators watch and listen from afar as Carlene and Bessarine set off on a walk. Bessarine told us where she's going to walk. You know, down the street and she's going to turn around and come back.

Just as the investigators had coached her, Bessarine encourages Carlene to talk about Jordan's death. Just come clean, get it off your chest. You know, if it's something you gotta say, just say it. Just tell me. Tell me what happened. Slowly but surely, Carlene takes the bait. Bessarine and Carlene are walking. With investigators listening in,

Carlene starts talking about the whole thing, just like she had initially told investigators that he made dinner for us and we got drunk and it was the whole same thing going on. But Carlene's story has a new twist. She admits to having an argument with Jordan. What she initially didn't tell investigators is the real reason she left the house

is because Jordan had told her to leave. Said him and Tyler were going to be hanging out. And then Carlene and Jordan had basically cussed at her and told her to get out of here. She was pissed off. She was upset. She left. Carlene tells her cousin that she was going to be And then, Harley and Jordan had basically cussed at her and told her to get out of here.

She was pissed off. She was upset. She left. Carlyne tells her cousin she was drunk and simply lost her temper. After Jordan kicked her out, she was so mad that she went to her family members also grabbed a knife. And then she came back.

She was waiting out there, waiting for Tyler to leave. And after he left, that's when she went in. Carleen tells Bessarine that she'd went in the house. Her and Jordan get into a fight. She stabs Jordan to death. Carleen tells Bessarine that just before he lost consciousness,

Jordan uttered his final words. She said the Jordan said, why do you love me so much? Carlean's confession is just what investigators need to make an arrest. We had visual on in the whole time. Our confession meant all the elements that needed for the arrest. Gave the green light, and they all swarmed in, and placed her in her arrest. She was taken into custody.

I recall her saying, you know, what's going on, what's going on, we look confused. Though Carlene just confessed everything to her cousin, once in custody, she invokes her right to remain silent. They've made the arrest. She's asked for a lawyer. She refuses to talk. But they've already got the wire conversation

between her and Bessarine. It doesn't take long for news of Carlene's arrest to make its way from angriage to mental. A lot of promotions came people gathered at my home and they found out. Tears were flowing. I was shocked that she could go sit in Laurie's house the day of the murder and act like she had nothing to do with it. For. And act like she had nothing to do with it.

For months after, like she had nothing to do with it. Coming up, the search for a motive unravels new and disturbing details about the killer's wrath. It was just such a rage killing that it was fueled by Josie and Anger. She looked right at me. She said it was fueled by Josie and anger. She looked right at me. She said it was you.

She said he wanted you. I'll never forget that. It makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up. -♪ -♪ -♪ -♪ -♪

Less than three months after the brutal stabbing of 26-year-old Jordan Baker, his friend and occasional lover, Carlene Charley, was arrested for his murder. Investigators are eager to identify her motive for killing the man she claimed to be in love with. Jordan and Herling were friends. Herling and her sick mind always thought her and Jordan was gonna be together. They were gonna be married.

She was told several times by Jordan, myself, that it never been happened. And you ought to just move on. In her mind, she had created this relationship. She had created this idea that they were going to get married. Nobody really knew the monster that was underneath. The possibility that Carlene's relationship with Jordan was largely a product of her imagination, brings

a motive into perspective. It was just pure rage when she was rejected. She was asked to leave. I don't believe that love was subcated, which added fuel to that fire. She just went crazy. Love fueled hate and anger and it didn't craft me. It just infuriated her enough to go grab a knife, come back, and brutally physically kill him.

It was just such a rage killing that it was fueled by Chelsea, Ragen, anger. Prosecutors prepare to take Carlene to trial, but in March 2014, they learn that Carlene has had a change of heart. Carlene Charlie was charged with first-degree murder initially. She faced anywhere from 20 to 99 years in prison without the possibility of parole. Her lawyers came in with a plea deal.

So there was no trial. It was just a reduced count. Murder in the second degree. The family was not happy with that plea deal. I remember specifically, Jordan's mother. She was so upset. In May 2015, Carlene enters a Fairbanks courtroom to receive her sentence. The judge offers Jordan's loved ones the opportunity to speak.

I looked at her, and I exactly told her I didn't hate her, but I actually felt sorry for her, and that I could look at her and tell her that I forgive her. When given the floor, Carlene addresses Jordan's family. She said the last thing Jordan was yelling for, and she looked right at me. She said it was you. She said he wanted you, yelling for you. I'll never forget that.

That literally still sitting here makes me. It just makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up. The judge sentences Carlene to 20 years in prison. The judge issued her a sentence to the reduced murder too. The reaction was heartbreaking in the courthouse. His mother was just devastated. One of the quotes that she said was, you get more time and jail for killing an animal in Alaska than you do a human being.

for killing an animal in Alaska, then you do a human being. The events of May 2nd, 2013 will not be soon forgotten in Mento, where one woman's dreams of marriage and romance turned into jealousy and rage. You have a 24-year-old young lady that had her whole life in front of her. And here's a young man who had his whole life ahead of him. And she killed him because he didn't want to take things to another level.

I only got one word for that, senseless. Despite the tragic end to her son's life, Jordan's mother chooses to forgive and break the cycle of wrath for good. Not only did she ruin our lives, she ruined herself for being so young. So yes, there's anger here, but there's also care about what happens to her. And I forgave her. She needs to forgive herself and ask God to forgive her. There's no hate. Hate doesn't solve anything. And the hell if I'm going to get sick holding the hatred in. Corleen Charlie is currently serving her sentence at the Highland Moutain Correctional Center.

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