Snapped: Women Who Murder - Kelsey Turner

Episode Date: May 17, 2026

A beloved psychiatrist is found murdered and left in the trunk of a car in the Nevada desert. As the strange case unfolds, police discover he may have been the victim of a model aiming to mai...ntain her lavish lifestyle.Season 34 Episode 02Originally aired: Sun, Jul 14, 2024Watch full episodes of Snapped for FREE on the Oxygen app: https://oxygentv.app.link/WatchSnappedPodSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:00:04 A psychiatrist's murder sparks an investigation in the Las Vegas desert. This looks like somebody's grandfather here. We knew right away that it was a different type of murder. When evidence points to a playboy model, investigators delve into a world of fame, money, and manipulation. The places that she would be out with me are literally the number one nightclubs in all of Hollywood. She goes by the nickname Bad Barbie. She ends up on the covers of a couple of magazines.
Starting point is 00:00:41 As the strange case unfolds, the surprises never stop. She told me he was like her sugar daddy. I initially had estimated expenses at about $300,000. I said, you know, this is bad. You need to get out of this. She had control over him. He was just a meal ticket. But more suspects emerge.
Starting point is 00:01:09 We found a bat with his name on him. This is a slam dunk. We discovered her boyfriend had recently completed a prison term here in Nevada. He had a gun. That was covered in blood. She was kicking him, hitting him, screaming at him. He told me that he hopes that they don't kill me. Me too.
Starting point is 00:01:31 Las Vegas Nevada is internationally known for its gambling and nightlife. Las Vegas is a place where you can, you know, come and let loose. It ends up sticking with people and it ends up carrying them to another place. But on March 7, 2019, it seems one visitor's stay has taken a turn for the worse when police receive an unsettling call. We had a citizen out four-wheeling in his new pickup, and he sees a Mercedes-Benz a little two-door coupe where no little two-wheel drive coop should be.
Starting point is 00:02:29 He thought the car was stolen. When patrolmen arrive at the scene, the caller is gone, but the car is right where they said it would be. They were going to do an inventory of the car and just have it towed out of there. They opened up the doors. There was a lot of blood spatter evidence within the car. The blood was found primarily in the backseat,
Starting point is 00:02:56 behind the driver's seat, and on the headliner. The officers immediately call for backup and check the rest of the vehicle. And when they opened up the trunk, there was a bunch of bedding. When they were able to part some of the betting, they came across what appeared to be a bunch of bedding. across what appeared to be a human arm.
Starting point is 00:03:24 They made notification to the homicide section, and that's how my partner and I became aware of the call. My partner, Detective Ryan Jager, and I drove out to Eastern Clark County. We carefully documented everything that's in the car, and then we told the whole car with the body in it back to the CSA. our crime lab. Once it was in our garage where it was a more controlled environment,
Starting point is 00:03:56 we removed the body. I remember looking at it, it was just kind of like, this looks like somebody's grandfather here. He was wearing like a sweater vest with a bow tie. This didn't look like a guy who would make bad life choices to put him in a situation where someone would kill him. Investigators leave the body for the medical examiner to assess, and they conduct a more thoroughly
Starting point is 00:04:22 search of the car. In the trunk of the car, I found a credit card with the name of Thomas Breschard on it. We ran that name and it came up as a missing person. The report gave a description, white male adult in his 70s and it matched very closely the person we had in the trunk. However, when police run the car's plates, they discover it is. does not belong to Thomas Bershard. The name that was associated with the registered owner
Starting point is 00:05:00 from San Francisco was an Asian name, and his build was much smaller. The San Francisco Police Department attempted to go and make contact, but the registered owner was out of the country at the time. While questions surrounding the vehicle multiply, detectives try to get to the bottom of who Thomas Bershard is. I was able to conduct a records check
Starting point is 00:05:27 and learned that Thomas Bichard had been recently reported missing by Judy Earp. So I instructed some fellow homicide detectives to reach out to her and have casual conversations with her without giving away that this might have become a homicide investigation. Judy said that he missed a flight, so Judy filed the missing person's report.
Starting point is 00:05:50 So her concern was something must be to happen to him because he would always come home. Thomas Bershard was a man who always seemed destined to make a difference in the world. He was born in Boston in 1948. His father taught at Harvard and his mother was a librarian, so he was surrounded with academia. He went to medical school at UVA University of Virginia in Charlottesville. for child psychiatry. And after that, he did several, you know, residencies.
Starting point is 00:06:36 At Mass General, Cincinnati Children's Hospital, UCLA. He loved children. And for the longest time, Tom was the only child psychiatrist in Monterey County. Some people called him Santa because of his large white beard. And like Santa, Thomas was extremely. extremely generous. His former patients talk about what an incredible human being he was and how he assisted them through some very difficult times in their lives.
Starting point is 00:07:10 Over the years, I believe Tom has helped hundreds of people. Due to his generous nature, Thomas developed close relationships with all of his patients. But by the time he was in his early 50s, he still didn't have a family to call him. his own. That changed in 2002 when he met Judy Earp, a single mother whose own marriage had recently ended. We met here in Las Vegas with a group. While everybody else was out gambling, we were just kind of left to ourselves, and we talked
Starting point is 00:07:51 and chatted, went to shows, and just hit it off. For about a year, we dated. It was kind of long distance. And eventually we moved in together. My three youngest children, he was, you know, the father figure in their life. Eventually, they got engaged. And over the course of the next 17 years, Thomas and Judy built a life together in Salinas, California. But they often returned to the city where they first met.
Starting point is 00:08:28 We would come to Las Vegas every year for medical conferences. In 2019, at the age of 71, Thomas was still seeing patients, but his health forced him to start planning for retirement. The last 18 months of his life, he started having problems. I highly suspect that he's a lot of his life. in the early stages of Alzheimer's or some form of dementia. During this time, Tom went on a trip to Las Vegas. It was a very spur of the moment thing.
Starting point is 00:09:10 And he booked a flight on Friday and to return on Monday. He didn't come home on the airplane. Then I knew something terrible had happened. When I initially reported Tom missing, I told him maybe he's got lost or something. Las Vegas police begin their investigation by contacting Thomas's partner, Judy. Judy says Thomas went to Vegas to visit a friend named Kelsey Turner.
Starting point is 00:09:49 He was well known in the community for helping. He had received a text from Kelsey Turner that she was very sick. He went to her house. to talk to her. The next day, I get a text from him, which is Saturday. And he says, I look forward to coming home. See you on Monday.
Starting point is 00:10:13 Okay. But I don't hear from him. Judy goes on to tell police that Thomas has been missing for almost a week. She had requested what is known as a welfare check. That patrol officers go to Kelsey Turner's home. They knock. There is no answer. There's mail piled at the door.
Starting point is 00:10:38 And as a detective, what it suggested to us is that the residence has now been suddenly vacated, and we cannot account for Kelsey Turner, living or dead. So it's imperative in this investigation that we find her to determine if she is, in fact, still alive because somebody that she's closely connected to is deceased. Coming up, detectives find a crucial piece of evidence. There was a baseball bat, and on the baseball bat, written in marker, was a name. We were able to determine it was her boyfriend. And Thomas's partner believes she knows why he was killed.
Starting point is 00:11:23 She's trying to use whatever she can to keep his money coming. Investigators have found what they believe is Dr. Thomas Bershard's body in the trunk of a car. And the following morning, they attend an autopsy to confirm. Through fingerprints, they were able to confirm that, in fact, the body of the deceased was Thomas Bouchard. The medical examiner decided that the cause of death was blunt force trauma. Closer inspection of the Mercedes provides clues to how the murder occurred. You could see defects in the headliner where you could tell. Something was being swung and it was hitting the ceiling of the car.
Starting point is 00:12:24 In the trunk of the car was probably one of the most complete body disposal kits that I've stumbled across in my career. There was leather gloves, there was rags, there was garbage bags full of cleaning products. There was potential DNA evidence. There were latent prints. There was a baseball bat. And on the baseball bat, and marker was a name Greg Haggio.
Starting point is 00:12:52 Now that they have more information and Thomas is officially identified, detectives called Judy to break the news. I received a phone call. It was Detective Jaeger, and he told me that they'd found Tom. I asked him, well, can I talk to him? Is he okay?
Starting point is 00:13:15 And he said, no, they had, he was deceased. and at that time, and my world crashed in. By virtue of her alibi, we were able to determine that Judy had nothing to do with the murder of Thomas Bouchard. Detective Jaeger told me that he'd been found in the trunk of a Mercedes. After learning this detail from detectives, Judy reveals valuable insight. Judy tells investigators that the Mercedes found in the middle of the desert belongs to Kelsey Turner.
Starting point is 00:13:53 I suspect that she's involved in this somehow. So I told him everything about Tom's moral history with Kelsey Turner. Judy says Thomas met Turner two years ago. She was a 25-year-old single mother who was struggling financially. He starts helping her out with her financial. and helping her out with rent. According to Judy, Turner quickly became a problem. He did this for so many people,
Starting point is 00:14:29 and a few of them took advantage, but nothing to the extent of this. It was always, oh, I need money for medicine for my son, or this, or that. I initially had estimated just what I had known for rent, known from rent and car and some of the credit card expenses at about 300,000. But when I actually delved into the records, I stopped counting at about $750,000. I told Tom, I said, you know, this is bad, you need to get out of this.
Starting point is 00:15:09 He said, okay, I will tell her. He wanted to move her out of state to kind of quell the waters a little bit, to keep everything to friction down between Judy and her, so he rented a house in Las Vegas. Judy says when she found out about the new arrangement, she convinced Thomas to cut Turner off for good. That was the purpose of his trip when he left for Vegas on March 1st. The next day, I get a text from him. I have effectively resolved the situation here, and I'm looking forward to returning home on Monday. But on Sunday, Judy got a strange message from him.
Starting point is 00:15:57 I received this text saying he wanted to send me money, and so I'm thinking, this is fishy. The language, the grammar was not his. I think she's stolen his phone and is trying to get my information. And so I texted back, I said, you need to call me. I don't believe this is you. And after that, the phone went dead.
Starting point is 00:16:23 How Judy is convinced Kelsey Turner had something to do with Thomas's death. Based on the circumstances of his visit, investigators are starting to share that suspicion. After Judy's interview, investigators get in touch with the registered owner of the Mercedes in San Francisco. He explained that he turned over the lease of the vehicle to Kelsey Turner, and that transfer process was facilitated by Thomas Bouchard. And according to Ms. Irb, Thomas had traveled last minute to Las Vegas for the sole purpose of cutting her off.
Starting point is 00:17:13 So that's when the focus began to narrow on Kelsey. Turner. Through local records checks, we found an incident that was about a month before the murder that involved Ms. Turner and an individual by the name of Greg Haggio. We're able to determine that Greg Haggio was a boyfriend of Kelsey Turner. If he is the boyfriend at the time and this individual is coming to visit his girlfriend, you can see that we have the potential for even a love triangle that went terribly awry. I had a rest warrant ready to go. I'm like, dude, we found a bat with his name on it, with blood on it.
Starting point is 00:17:59 Come on, this is a slam dunk. We speak with Greg and it appeared that Greg and Kelsey broke up. Greg Hageo wasn't happy with the kind of life that Kelsey was leading with with partying and So he left and he left all of his belongings in Kelsey's house. We looked at historical phone locations on him. He was actually working as a deckhand on a fishing boat when the murder happened. So we were able to rule Greg Haggio out of the equation. Since Kelsey Turner is the only connection left to track down,
Starting point is 00:18:44 investigators obtain a search warrant for her home in Las Vegas. Some uniform patrol officers showed up and were able to make entry through an unlocked door. They determined that the house was unoccupied. We could establish very quickly that was our crime scene. Police find blood stains, they find blue and white towels that match the towels that were found inside the car in the desert. They find a door that was almost off of its hinges,
Starting point is 00:19:17 completely broken. There's also a smell of cleaning products and some sort of attempt of a cleanup inside the home. Despite all the evidence in the home pointing to foul play, investigators still can't find Kelsey Turner. We would have fully expected her to have reached out to law enforcement because Thomas's role in her life is so important. But there's no effort, no effort whatsoever for Kelsey Turner to make contact with law enforcement. enforcement. None. It's not like she's involved or she's dead. It's more like she's likely involved and we have to find her. The evidence in Kelsey Turner's home suggests Dr. Thomas Bershard might have been killed there. So detectives contact the landlord of the property to see
Starting point is 00:20:19 if they know where she is. When police talk to the landlord, they confirm that Thomas Bouchard had been paying the rent there, and that Kelsey Turner lived inside the home. Police discover Kelsey had two roommates, a woman named Diana Peña and a man named John Kenneson. Uncertain of their connection to Kelsey, investigators take a closer look at the roommates. So once we determine everybody that's staying at the house, that's when we start investigating to get good phone numbers for them. While waiting for cell information, investigators also put out a Bolo alert for all three.
Starting point is 00:21:08 They then tracked down Turner's loved ones to learn more about her. So as police are talking with acquaintances, friends, and family members of Kelsey Turner, they learned that Kelsey comes from Arkansas, had divorced parents, and kind of grew up with, with a little bit of a rough upbringing.
Starting point is 00:21:30 People always said she did not seem like the type of woman who would stay in Arkansas. They knew she had big dreams. She wanted to be in front of a camera. Turner married and had two children. But when the relationship ended, she took the children and moved to California to pursue her dreams.
Starting point is 00:21:54 Kelsey Turner was an aspiring model. She had a very involved social media platform that she was utilizing to move her modeling career forward. She ends up on the covers of a couple of magazines, including Playboy Italia and Maxim. But a lot of her work is through Instagram. She has hundreds of thousands of followers. She goes by the nickname Bad Barbie and really kind of leans into that persona. According to Kelly, Kelsey's friends, she was doing more than just modeling.
Starting point is 00:22:36 I'm a celebrity DJ, and I first met Kelsey when she started coming out with other girls that were in our Hollywood Kids Circle. The places that she would be out with me at are literally the number one nightclubs in all of Hollywood. Most of the girls that would come out with me were there to find, you know, someone else that can help them get to another level. Seems like another needy LA girl, you know, that's just trying to find someone to latch onto. That's just all it seemed to me.
Starting point is 00:23:08 And it seems Kelsey eventually found what she was looking for. About a year after that playboy appearance is when she starts reaching out to Dr. Thomas Bouchard for help with finances. Bashar was kind of her sugar daddy, paying for the residents, paying for the car, paying for car insurance. I believe that Thomas Bichard and Kelsey Turner had some kind of a physical relationship, but a lot of people were able to keep that to themselves. Even without confirmation on the exact nature of their relationship, it's clear to investigators, Kelsey leaned on Thomas. It appears that after Playboy Italia, she didn't really have any big publications or any great gigs in models.
Starting point is 00:24:05 Thomas says, hey, you know, I'll pay you to move to Las Vegas, thinking that it would be a better spot for her. They determined that it might be best for her to relocate to Las Vegas to help advance her modeling career in this city. Kelsey's daughter stayed in California with family, and her son joined her in Vegas. Friends confirmed she was sharing the house Bersharde provided with her friend Diana Penne.
Starting point is 00:24:39 and new boyfriend John Kenneson. When we looked into the background of John Logan Kenison, we discovered that he had recently completed a prison term here in Nevada for drug-related offenses. Now we have other names of people that are intimately connected to the home. We need to be able to get a hook into them and have an opportunity to interview them and figure out what's going on. In March 2019,
Starting point is 00:25:18 In 2019, the search for Thomas Burchard's killer continues, as detective subpoena the data of Kelsey Turner and her roommates, hoping to build a timeline. Thomas arrived in Las Vegas on March 1st during the evening hours. His body's found at the 7th, and it's apparent by March 4th, something happened when he didn't return home to California. So the first to the 4th are,
Starting point is 00:25:48 very, very important dates as it relates to devices being at or near the Puritan address. We have Diana Peña, Kelsey Turner, and then John Kennison. We know are all living in the house. We get good phone numbers for them. We do a location history on those phone numbers. Everybody was at the house, late night hours of March 3rd into early morning hours of March 4th. And then Diana Peña, John Kenneson, Kelsey Turner, they all leave the house. Based on the phone records, their phones all appeared to be shut off around the same time and ended in the area of the Rio Hotel. Detectives contact the Rio Hotel, hoping the three might be there.
Starting point is 00:26:51 We find out that Diana Peña had rented a room at the Rio, and they just abruptly left and left all of their items. Upon learning that information, we generated a search warrant to go into the storage room at the Rio to search for what items that were left. They found personal items of Diana Pena, some prescription drugs, and a black notebook belonging to Thomas Bershard. They also found the ID of Kelsey Turner. Inside what appears to be Thomas's notebook, they find his account of how desperate Kelsey had been to maintain his financial support. She was threatening him, accusing him of child pornography, totally unfounded.
Starting point is 00:27:48 and absolutely untrue. But if you could imagine a man that his whole life has been a children psychiatrist, how devastating just those accusations would be. I had submitted Thomas Breschard's phone to the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department Internet Crimes Against Children. They found no evidence of child pornography on the device.
Starting point is 00:28:17 So Kelsey Turner's, Allegation was completely unfounded. But if that information were to be released to the public, it would be incredibly damaging to Thomas's reputation. Being attractive in providing companionship to Breschard is paying for her house. It's paying for her car. And she doesn't want to get off the gravy train.
Starting point is 00:28:43 She's trying to use whatever she can to keep his money coming. Because police were able to find that connection of the car to Kelsey Turner, the home with bloodstains inside, and the towels matching the home and the car, and a black notebook from Thomas Breschard inside that hotel room, that gives them the green light for an arrest warrant. The search for Ms. Turner was turned over to a criminal apprehension team. It took them about a week, but they were able to identify her living out in California at a residence that belonged to one of Kelsey's friends. When she was apprehended, she was in the company of John Logan Kenison. We did not have a warrant for Kennison at that particular time, so they had to let him go. Turner refuses to speak with Inverner. investigators.
Starting point is 00:29:49 But on April 4th, they receive new evidence that implicates both of her roommates in the murder as well. The fingerprints that were gathered from the vehicle had been analyzed and came back belonging to Diana Peña and John Kennison. With that, we established probable cause to get an arrest warrant for Diana and Kenison. Both of them were charged with murder with use of a daily weapon. But a week later, Diana turns herself in, and in hopes of a deal, she agrees to tell her story from the beginning. I met Kelsey from a friend of a friend, and then she asked me to move in not too long after that. I think she was very new to Vegas, so Dr. Burchard financed quite a bit of her expenses.
Starting point is 00:30:47 She told me that he was like her sugar daddy. She would call him, message him, send him videos, and he would send her money. He was just a meal ticket. She called him her whale. Coming up, Diana's interview provides shocking insight. There were messages about taking her son away from her. And possible motives are revealed.
Starting point is 00:31:18 He told me they were going to kill him, and that he hopes that they don't kill me too. On April 13, 2019, detectives sit down with Diana Peña, who says when Dr. Thomas Bersharde showed up in Vegas on March 1st, Kelsey Turner knew he was there to end their arrangement. Kelsey had told me probably about a month before he had come out that he was talking about cutting her off. but he was having a hard time actually doing it. She kind of had control over him. And Dr. Bershard said that Kelsey needed a lot of help. He said that he loved Kelsey, but she needs to get her life together, stuff like that. According to Peña, it led to heated arguments between the two,
Starting point is 00:32:20 which she experienced firsthand the day after Thomas arrived. The next morning I went to work. Kelsey messaged me and she's like, can you please come home early? I'm upset. And she said she would come pick me up. I got in the car, I was in the back seat. Kelsey was in the front seat.
Starting point is 00:32:41 Dr. Bershard was driving. So Kelsey took Dr. Breschard's phone and was trying to do the GPS. And while she was on his phone, she kind of looked through his messages and seen messages between him and her mother about taking her son away from her. Peña says the discovery caused Turner to snap. She was kicking him, hitting him, screaming at him.
Starting point is 00:33:13 Eventually, we did make it back to the house. Dr. Bouchard went up to the room that he was staying in and just shut the door. Fearing the situation might be able to. escalate, Peña asked a friend to take Kelsey's child who was at the home to a hotel. Hours later, her intuition proved correct. After he went upstairs, Kelsey would randomly go up there and start screaming at him, and then Kenneson would go up there and start screaming at him. And then I would tell them to go downstairs and calm down.
Starting point is 00:33:50 Eventually, she yelled at Kenison to not knock him Dr. Bouchard out. And Kenison ran upstairs, broke down the door. I'm not sure where the bat came from, but I knew he had a bat. You could hear it. At that point, I ran upstairs into the room, and I just kind of tried to get Kenison to get off of Bichard.
Starting point is 00:34:22 I told Dr. Bichard just stay on the floor because his left eye, was like filled with blood. He said he needed to go to the hospital and offered to say that he had been mugged. I helped him downstairs, kind of helped him clean up. Peña says early the next morning, Turner and Kennison eventually agreed to take Thomas
Starting point is 00:34:50 to the emergency room. I helped him into the backseat of Kelsey's car. Dr. Bouchard said he wanted his coat. So Kelsey and Kennison went back into the house. That's when he told me they were going to kill him. And that he hopes that they don't kill me too. I just told them that's not going to happen. They're taking you to the hospital.
Starting point is 00:35:15 Why would they kill you? And then Kelsey came back into the garage, and she told me to go into the house and clean. So I went back into the house and I was cleaning. I started hearing Kelsey screaming again. She was calling Kennison a bitch and a . And to knock Dr. Richard out. So I came running down the stairs and told her to stop.
Starting point is 00:35:48 But Peña says she was too late. Kenison had a gun that was covered in blood. Kelsey told me that that was what he used to beat the doctor's face. I was like, is everything okay? And she's like, he's dead. I was pretty scared and just not sure what to do. Terrified that Thomas was right and she might be next, Pena went with Turner and Kennison to a hotel to hide out.
Starting point is 00:36:26 Kenison left with the car, with the body in there, to drive her car somewhere and do something with it. We sat in the hotel room for days. Kelsey was constantly Googling, turning on the news. And she had seen on the news that the car had been discovered. They just knew that, you know, it's Kelsey's car. It's her sugar daddy in the trunk, like Kelsey was freaking out,
Starting point is 00:37:01 knowing it's very easy to connect those dots. Diana Peña says the plan was for all of them to flee the state, but she decided to turn herself in. After the interview, she was booked into Clark County Detention Center on her warrant. When they put me in a jail cell, that's probably when I felt the most safe. Because who's going to break into a jail to hurt somebody? She confirmed a lot of things that we already knew and opened our eyes on a lot of other things.
Starting point is 00:37:37 I assumed I would have to testify at some point. I was there. So it was the right thing to do. It's been a month since Dr. Thomas Bershard was found murdered. And Las Vegas police have two of their three suspects in custody. Kelsey Turner has acquired legal representation. Diana Peña went to police to help them piece together exactly what happened. But the other man who's involved here, John Kenneson, is still out on the loose.
Starting point is 00:38:21 We established through fingerprints on the bat, probable cause for Kenison. So based on that, we had an arrest warrant. The Katz team was looking for him using his phone. They determined that John, in fact, returned from California to Las Vegas, went back to his mom's house, and that's where the authorities were able to locate and apprehend him. Like Turner, Kenison refuses to talk. But Peña agrees to plead guilty to being an accessory and testify against the other two.
Starting point is 00:39:00 I was sentenced two, three years of probation and a felony accessory. I don't harbor any. any ill feelings towards her. I wish she had called 911, but I do understand that she was very frightened and probably in shock. And I believe Kelsey Turner probably was using her, just like she used everybody.
Starting point is 00:39:36 In May 2022, three years after Dr. Thomas Burchard's murder, Kenneson decides to plead guilty as well. Logan is accepting full responsibility for his actions. He knows that he committed a terrible crime, and he is remorseful for that. The total sentence, the aggregate sentence, will be 18 to 45 years in the Nevada Department of Corrections. Later that year, Kelsey Turner makes a deal of her own. Do you understand you're being charged with second-degree murder? Yes, ma'am.
Starting point is 00:40:09 How do you plead to that charge? Guilty pursuant to Alfred or not guilty? Guilty pursuant to Alfred. To explain an Alfred plea, you're not confessing to it. You're just acknowledging that the state has enough evidence to convict you of it. Ms. Turner, and according to the laws of the state of Nevada, you're hereby judged guilty of second-degree murder, a felony. You're hereby sentenced to 10 to 25 years in the Nevada Department of Corrections. In the initial court hearings, she's smiling and laughing and posing.
Starting point is 00:40:44 for the cameras. Even if she was not guilty, somebody that you knew was murdered. That's just evil. Just evil. I never realized such evil existed in this world until this happened. Physically, it has been very difficult for me. The emotional turmoil I have experienced was and is literally gut-wrenching. No matter what Dr. Burchard's motivations were for trying to help a single mom in need, it's just terrible that someone who had helped so many people in his life and seemed to only try to help people in his life,
Starting point is 00:41:37 ended up paying the ultimate price for it. I think Kelsey Turner is a danger to society. Honestly, I don't think she should ever get up. out of prison.

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