Snapped: Women Who Murder - Kimberly Hancock

Episode Date: March 1, 2026

A missing persons case is reinstated when a tipster leads police to unearth a grisly murder.Season 33 Episode 15Originally aired: Feb 18, 2024Watch full episodes of Snapped for FREE on the Ox...ygen app: https://oxygentv.app.link/WatchSnappedPodSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 In rural North Carolina, a long buried secret is finally unearthed. Three-commen, women shock. I feel bones right there. Yes, man. Right there. The discovery reopens a 15-year-old missing persons case. January 19th was the last time I'd saw her. She was getting into a car.
Starting point is 00:00:27 She had left the baby sitting on the deck. As they pursue these leads, her disappearance really becomes kind of a cold case. As a homicide investigation gets underway, shocking discoveries lead detectives back to one woman's doorstep. She knew things about the wrong side of the law that normal people wouldn't even think of. When she was 18 years old, she shot and killed her father. And then there is also the question of, of her own brother who's been missing for years. I can't grasp what kind of person would do that.
Starting point is 00:01:07 We never would have foreseen how gruesome this case would have ended up. I can't feel bad because I didn't do nothing wrong. Nash County, North Carolina, is a quiet community about an hour from the state's capital. Nash County is a rural area. It's very nice. It's up and coming.
Starting point is 00:01:44 had a lot of mom and pop businesses popping up here. Most people know their neighbors and just down the earth, southern people. But even a close-knit area like this one has its secrets. And on October 24, 2019, one of them is exposed. The National County Sheriff's Office received a tip from fighting crime, which is a nonprofit organization here that one lady basically runs and she has a large following on social media. I own Fighting Crime News,
Starting point is 00:02:22 and what I do is I take tips from citizens that really don't want to talk to law enforcement, and those tips are passed on to law enforcement. I work with multiple agencies, and they work on the tips as I give them to them, and everything remains 100% anonymous. That's the reason fighting crime has been so successful in our area, because it's confidential information,
Starting point is 00:02:46 And this other citizens don't know that they've provided this information. This time, the tip is about a cold case from 15 years ago. This was a missing mother of four Deborah Deans. There had been some attention that was paid to it in the past. But the case had grown cold. According to the anonymous caller, Deborah isn't missing. She's dead. I chatted for a few minutes, got the person's information,
Starting point is 00:03:18 and made contact with Nash County Sheriff's Office with Lieutenant Sherrod. The caller said that Bobati would be in a shallow grave behind a building and that it would be wrapped up in some kind of carpet. Our criminal investigation team is then notified, and they're deployed out to do an investigation on Wiley Road, a very rural part of Nash County. Police find the area described in a wooded property behind two mobile homes.
Starting point is 00:03:55 I was one of the investigators with the shovel. We probably dug less than a foot and hit something. So we started carefully moving the dirt from the area and saw what we believe to be carpet. Your adrenaline starts pumping. You know, you're thinking this tip is true. We were able to pull that carpet back, and at that time is when we found the tarp.
Starting point is 00:04:18 Yeah, it's in there. Right there. There it is. We saw what we thought would be human remains. At that time, we stopped and went and tried to call the anthropologist to assist us with removing the body. Once we were able to uncover human bones, there was no doubt in my mind. Based off the information we had received from fighting crime, and it was going to end up being Debbie. Debbie Deans was born in Maryland on September 26, 1974.
Starting point is 00:05:23 She was a happy little girl. She was always happy. She was friendly and sweet and talented. She had a happy childhood. But her father was a long-distance truck driver. And he was older than I was. And he could be difficult to be around. So we separated when Debbie was. about nine, ten years old. After the divorce, Debbie's mother Elaine became the sole provider. She was able to land a job in Rocky Mount North Carolina, but the move wasn't easy for Debbie. We moved when she was in eighth or ninth grade. She became bored and she wanted to quit because she said she would go and get her GED.
Starting point is 00:06:25 They told her it would take her two years. I think it took her like 10 months. She was very smart. She did take college courses. She didn't graduate, but she went to the local college there that's right in Rocky Mountain. Her first job was at a barbecue place in Rocky Mount, and she loved it. She was good with children, and she just had that instinct. to serve and be able to do it well.
Starting point is 00:06:59 She was very people-oriented, but she could be very hard-headed and very independent. Debbie longed for a family of her own, and at 18, she fell in love with a man named William. She started dating William, and I think it went much quicker than I would ever have wanted it to go, and then they moved in together.
Starting point is 00:07:26 Debbie soon announced that she was pregnant, but the relationship fell apart as quickly as it began. I'm not exactly sure what transpired when she broke off with William. She called up and said, come get me. That's exactly what I did. When I got there, I said, what do you want to do? She said, I want to go home with you. Debbie gave birth to a little girl she named Jessica.
Starting point is 00:07:59 Things might not have turned out. quite the way she wanted, but that didn't stop her from trying again. Debbie knew so many different people. She'd known Robbie for a long time, but it wasn't until two years after she had Jessica that she started talking to him. She married Robbie, and it was an on-again, off-again relationship, and she was back home with me when my grandson, Robbie was born. I vaguely remember what happened after they split up or why. But me and my brother Robbie, we were all still very close growing up. My mom was always a very happy person, and we were really big on coloring together.
Starting point is 00:08:42 She would always sit down and color pictures with us. Even when she wasn't around, she was sending us pictures that she had colored. She blew me out of the water with some of the things that she would think of to teach her children. She always wanted what was best for her. her kids. After her divorce, she moved on with a man named Thomas and was soon pregnant again. As Debbie struggled to balance being a single parent while making ends meet, she sought ways to escape. She was dating him and she moved in with him and she had a Michael. When she went to have Michael at the hospital. She had tested for positive for drugs. And I really thought that
Starting point is 00:09:33 putting Michael in foster care would be the wake-up call that Debbie would need to get her life back on track. Sadly, it was not, and she kept on this downward spiral until she had Samantha. By the age of 29, Debbie was a single mother struggling to her mother. to take care of four children with unreliable fathers. So I'm the oldest. Nice as Robbie. He's probably about three years younger than me. They tried to hide a lot of the troubles from us.
Starting point is 00:10:13 William and have paid child support. Robbie, on the other hand, he did pay child support. I think it was like $35 a week, but he paid it. She was trying to get by and really be there for her four kids. During that time, her mother kind of stayed. stepped in to help with the child care. Kimberly Hancock had also stepped in to help. Kimberly Hancock was Robbie's sister,
Starting point is 00:10:43 Debbie's former sister-in-law, and she'd remained close to Debbie after the divorce. Her willingness to help was put to the test in 2003 when Debbie was convicted of fraud and larceny. It was clear that she had some financial issues. Here she was a single mother raising four kids on her own. Debbie went to James. for writing some bad checks.
Starting point is 00:11:07 And while she was in jail, Kimberly had to help take care of the children. Kim had Samantha. Michael was in foster gear. And I had Robbie and Jessica. Less than four months later, when Debbie was released in January 2004, she seemed determined to make up for her mistake.
Starting point is 00:11:35 When she got out, she knew that she needed to be a better mother. and that she needed to straighten her life out. Kimberly invited Debbie to live with her while she got back on her feet. She was a very determined person. When she set her mind on it, once she had a goal in mind, she worked towards it. She wanted her kids now. But within days of her release, Debbie mysteriously disappeared.
Starting point is 00:12:06 January 19th was the last time I'd saw Debbie. Really wasn't surprising. Can I let it go? And I thought, okay, sometimes she gets mad at me and she ignores me. But when I didn't hear from her for Jessica's birthday, then I knew something that's wrong. On April 16, 2004, almost three months since Debbie was last seen, her mother finally decided to contact police. One of the first people they spoke to was Debbie's former sister-in-law, Kimberly, who, who also hadn't seen Debbie since January.
Starting point is 00:12:48 Kimberly told Rocky Mount Police Department that Debbie had came to her house with the baby Samantha, and they were inside the house, and she heard a car drive up in the yard. When she looked outside the door, Debbie was getting into a car leaving, and she had left Samantha the baby sitting on the deck. The sheriff's office conducted an investigation, but were unable to come up with any solid leads. As they pursue these leads, they just don't really get anywhere. The case is still on their radar, but as time passes, Debbie's disappearance really becomes kind of a cold case.
Starting point is 00:13:31 Debbie's two older children stayed with her mother, while the two youngest went into foster care and were eventually adopted together. For the next 15 years, Elaine held out hope for her daughter's return. I'm not a Bible-thumping person. But I do believe that in God and one of my prayers has always been that we would find Debbie. Now, 15 years after her disappearance, hope has been extinguished with the discovery of what appears to be Debbie's remains. And investigators face a challenge. We never would have foreseen how gruesome this case would have ended up.
Starting point is 00:14:22 She was in a very shallow grave, wrapped in carpet, and just tossed out like trash. The whole time, the suspect's walking around. Coming up, Debbie's mother makes a startling accusation. It wasn't proof. It was just what my gut told me. Leading detectives to a family member with a nefarious past. This is somebody who is capable of murder. because they've done it before.
Starting point is 00:15:03 After a 15-year search, North Carolina police believe they've found the body of missing mother of four Deborah Deans. However, they can't be positive until they examine the remains. We had reason to believe that it was her, but in situations like this, because there was no actual flesh or DNA that was visible.
Starting point is 00:15:28 We had a weight on the state to do their extensive of research for us to come back with a positive identification. Once the medical examiner came, they slowly moved more dirt off the carpet and the tarp. The scene was processed. They were removing the dirt, the top soil, the canvas, the carpet, the wire that was attached to it. They took photographs. Every step of the removal of the body was carefully detailed. While the process continues,
Starting point is 00:16:07 Homicide detectives begin their investigation. We started out by trying to find out who the landowners were. They're surprised to discover the two trailers are owned by Laura Hancock and her mother, Kimberly. Kimberly Hancock, she's the one to have last seen Debbie Dean's alive. Kimberly had said that Debbie just left on the 19th of January and she hadn't seen her since. You have to imagine that authorities were pretty surprised, shocked even, that so close to where Debbie was last seen that that's where her body had been all of these years. Neither Kimberly nor Laura are home. While officers try to track them down, investigators notified Debbie's mother, Elaine.
Starting point is 00:17:04 When you have someone missing, it's not because. But the same as when they have died and you've accepted the death. They're missing. You don't know where they are. There's still that sliver of hope in your heart. But as Elaine grapples with the likelihood that the remains belong to Debbie, she tells detectives she's long suspected that Kimberly was involved in Debbie's disappearance. Kim told Elaine, Debbie's mom, that she had spoken with Debbie several times.
Starting point is 00:17:41 and that she's safe, she's with friends, she's out and about on her own. And so it sort of appeases Elaine initially, but then as, you know, the weeks and months go by, Elaine knows something is wrong. A new camp, I didn't believe anything she ever said. Although Debbie had may have went off and done something stupid and dumb, she would have been in contact with her.
Starting point is 00:18:11 Her children wasn't proof. It was just what my gut told me. The information leads detectives to re-examine the missing persons investigation from 2004. We get the old files from Rocky Mount Police Department and see what they had done over the years. Fifteen years prior, in January of 2004, Debbie had moved in with Kimberly after her release from prison. Kimberly claimed that only did. Days later on January 19th, she saw Debbie get into a car with someone and drive away. No description of the person that she may have left with. So they really had nothing other than what Kimberly said.
Starting point is 00:19:04 Records also reveal a potential motive for Kimberly to want Debbie out of the picture. While Debbie was behind bars, Kimberly was caring for these kids. And because of that, there were some social security. checks that were intended to help support these kids. The checks that were cashed by Ms. Hancock were payable to Ms. Dean's. She took it upon herself to go to a local bank in Springhope and cashed the checks, and I believe the checks weren't the amount of $100 each. Debbie's disappearance, six days after her release, didn't stop Kimberly from cashing those checks. About a year later, a check is served.
Starting point is 00:19:49 surfaced in the Springhope area where she was attempting to cash a check and forged her name for Ms. Dines. And they arrested her and that case ended up eventually getting dismissed in court because the state had no victim to come in and testify against Kimberly that it was forgery. Despite the forgery, there was never concrete proof that Debbie's disappearance involved foul play. It's important to keep in mind that Debbie is an adult. She's allowed to go with her friends and, you know, leave her family if she chooses to. And here we have Kimberly saying that's what happened. Now it seems to investigators that Kimberly may have known Debbie's body was in her backyard the entire time. The reason Debbie's case went cold, I think it's because of all the lies and fabricated information
Starting point is 00:20:54 that Kimberly was given to the police. When investigators check Kimberly's record, they make another startling discovery. During our investigation, we learned that Kimberly had shot and killed her father. Miss Hancock, when she was 18 years old, she discharged one round with a 25 and was initially charged with murder of her father. She went to court, and she pled to a reduced. sentenced to manslaughter and got probation, but there was also allegations in the house that
Starting point is 00:21:31 the father was abusing her. So I believe that she didn't go to jail for any amount of time. Kim goes on to have some relationships, to have two kids, to be friends Debbie. And so she seems like she has a relatively normal life. Kimberly grew up around Nash County outside of the Springhup area. And it's my understanding that's where she's all. always lived. I know she got married at one time. Kim didn't work. She had two children from two different fathers. I think that she got support for them. Definitely left investigators kind of wondering, you know, this isn't an innocent mother that they're dealing with. This is somebody who is capable of murder because they've done it before. What's to stop them from doing it again?
Starting point is 00:22:36 County, North Carolina, news of the unearthed remains believed to belong to Deborah Dean's spreads like wildfire. When the body was found, it was big news. Several TV stations were there, getting the story. It was really unbelievable. It was really unbelievable. And I think we all had a sense of relief, but it was also sadness and the children. All these years wondering where Debbie is.
Starting point is 00:23:03 And now, you know, she's found. but it's not the outcome that they were hoping. Her former sister-in-law, Kimberly Hancock, appears to be the prime suspect. While investigators work to track her down, police receive another call from the anonymous tipster who told them where to find the body. The tipster is able to tell them that after all these years,
Starting point is 00:23:32 they just couldn't hold that information back anymore. It was something that had weighed on them, And so they wanted to get the information to the right people so that ultimately there would be some justice for Debbie. They say around the time that Debbie disappeared, suddenly Kim wanted to redo or redecorate her home. In going to Kim's home, they notice some small blood stains on certain items.
Starting point is 00:24:04 So it kind of makes you wonder the timing of all this is very suspect. Remodeling her home right after that, probably destroying most of the evidence in the carpet where she wrapped her up. After so many years, it's unlikely any evidence is left to support the claim. But detectives get a potential break
Starting point is 00:24:29 when they're able to get in touch with Kimberly's daughter, Laura Hancock. We went and picked up Laura and asked her if she would speak with us about his case. When we got to the sheriff's office, Laura was kind of reluctant to begin with to talk to us. But then as an interview went on, Laura told us that she had just got through talking to Kimley and that her mom had told her everything. Laura and her mother would appear to be close.
Starting point is 00:24:57 They lived right next door. Laura says that Kim reached out to her and told her that she was going to prison. The daughter was like, what are you talking about? She said, they know, they know I did something to Debbie. Kimberly ended up telling Laura that she was buried in in the backyard and that she was going to be wrapped in some kind of carpet. Laura tells them that this happened because of the checks. Ms. Hancock was still receiving Debbie's the monthly checks.
Starting point is 00:25:38 But when she got out, she was confronted by Ms. Dean. and an argument ensued. And I think that's when the idea went into Miss Hancock to eliminate Ms. Deans. But the revelations from Laura don't stop there. According to Laura, Kimberly is planning to pin the murder on her own family. Laura told us that she was going to say
Starting point is 00:26:09 that it was her brother Roger, who we call CoJ, and her other brother named Robbie who actually passed away from a health condition. During the interview with Laura, you could tell it was definitely hard on her. She was cry several times. She tussed with the idea of telling on her mom compared to giving her cousins
Starting point is 00:26:28 and her other aunts and uncles the closure that they needed to be able to put this behind them. Surprisingly, Kimberly appears at the property of her own volition. At that time, I approached Kimberly told her I needed her to ride with me to the sheriff's officer speak with her and she agreed.
Starting point is 00:26:51 There's like a thousand questions we want to ask her and she was pretty much nonverbal and not reacting like a normal person should. In the interview room, Kimberly denies any involvement and sticks to her original story. So investigators confront her
Starting point is 00:27:13 with their recent discovery. We found what we believe to be human remains. In my mind, there's a hundred percent chance that's going to be Debbie. Look, now's the time. Okay, we know this? I had not done nothing.
Starting point is 00:27:29 You have to know what happens on your property. Nobody can go in your property and dig a hole and bury your body without you knowing about it. That just don't happen. Right at your shop. I was not a hole. But you know about it. Now is the time you got to tell it.
Starting point is 00:27:49 No, because all day going to twist and everything on Like, I know everything. I don't know nothing. Y'all trying to make you feel bad. They got, I, I can't feel bad because I didn't do nothing wrong. If nobody's trying to make you feel bad, all we want you to do is tell the truth. I am telling you not. You have to think that she is just kind of full of it at this point.
Starting point is 00:28:14 Here is a body that is found on her property, behind her home. Her own daughter has said that she admitted to doing it. She was the last person to see Debbie alive. It seems very clear when you put all these pieces together that Kim was clearly involved. We just wanted to see if she would break and tell us what we needed to know so that we can give that family to closure
Starting point is 00:28:38 they've been looking for 15 years. Coming up, investigators turn up the heat. And a new witness comes forward. It's just dawning on him that what he saw was not a dream. North Carolina detectives are interrogating Kimberly Hancock in connection to the murder of her former sister-in-law, Debbie Deans. They tried to tell me when I got back from Florida.
Starting point is 00:29:18 Chuck was living in my board back there in my packhouse. They said that something happened. And I said, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I don't want to know nothing. She tries to pass the blame to her two brothers, Robbie and Cojack. Robbie passed away a couple years after Debbie went missing. Roger, everybody calls him Cojack. He went missing from the Castelia area.
Starting point is 00:29:50 Cojack was last seen in July of 2009. It's very weird when a person like that goes missing that's well-liked in the community and hadn't been seen since. Kojak just vanished five years after Debbie's disappearance. You have to wonder if there's some kind of connection there. One of her brothers is dead, another is missing, so there's no way for police to validate any of that information. She never alluded to us that what they were trying to tell her
Starting point is 00:30:24 was that Debbie was in the backyard bird. But we knew that based on the way on the information from Laura, it was just obvious. Just a story to get out from under it. I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but I don't believe that at all. You've known, yes, you have, you've known for 15 years that that body's been behind your girl. I'm trying to tell you, I did not harm her, I did not lay my hands on her, I did not do
Starting point is 00:30:55 nothing to her. Well, then you need to tell us what did, and not include your two dead brothers. been arrested because I can't tell you no more. I don't know. I don't know. I was not there. I did not see anything. I did not do it.
Starting point is 00:31:13 I'm through. I'm through. Y'all get to go on a risk me. Please let me call my mom and tell her how much of you. We just cut the interview off and told her she was under arrest for murder. Following Kimberly's arrest, experts study the skeletal remains to confirm their identity. They lay it out on a table. They determine if there's any fragments broken.
Starting point is 00:31:44 They learned that the cause of death was a gunshot one to the back of the head. In this situation, because there was no flesh, no hair, or anything able to be pulled from the victim, they do what's called their forensic examination. To try to positively identify her, they'll go into the bone marrow and try to extract some DNA. The medical examiner's office in Greenwood was able to extract DNA from the femur bone that we located. Then we went and got a sample from Missy Lane, who was Deborah's mom.
Starting point is 00:32:18 We then sent that off to the crime lab in Raleigh. They were able to positively identify her because it was a match based on the DNA from Ms. Deans and her mother. My reaction to learning it was Max just confirmed what I believed the whole time. I've truly felt from the moment we found that first, It was going to be Debbie. I had prayed, please don't let me die until we find her and I get these kids through this. My first thought in my brain was, oh God, it must be time for me to die now. I was relieved we finally had an answer.
Starting point is 00:32:55 But now only am I losing my mom, but my daughter's never going to meet her grandmother. That was a hard time. Although Kimberly has been charged with the crime, police still don't have any direct evidence. she did it. But another witness comes forward, the girlfriend of Kimberly's son David. The girlfriend said that David got a little intoxicated and told her that he remembered when he was a small kid that he saw his aunt Debbie tied up in the building behind the house. He was approximately about seven or eight years old. David actually went to his teacher and told him about what he had seen in the shed.
Starting point is 00:33:40 that teacher then reaches out to Kim, his mom, to see what's going on. And that's when Kim tells them that obviously her son had a dream and made it all up. When detectives asked David to come to the station, he agrees. He says his mother convinced him what he saw wasn't real. But now, 15 years later, he realizes that was a lie. He tells them, like it's just dawning on him that, what he saw was not a dream. The memory dredges up something else for David as well,
Starting point is 00:34:22 a threat his mother made to keep him quiet. Miss Hancock turned to him and said, you know, you keep talking about this, you're going to end up with your aunt in the backyard, buried. The timing perfectly matches Debbie's disappearance. And combined with the rest of the facts, investigators form a theory of how the murder might have occurred.
Starting point is 00:34:48 Debbie gets out from behind bars and realizes that being those social security checks intended for caring for that fourth child aren't going to the right place. And there's definitely some frustration and anger there that that money hadn't been used as it had been intended. She was going to move away from Kim's. When she told Kim that Kim wasn't going to get that check for any way. more. That's what triggered what happened. I believe Kim snapped when she was confronted by Ms. Deans about the money. And they started arguing and one thing led to another.
Starting point is 00:35:32 Kimberly just pulled out a gun and shot Debbie. She wrapped her up with some carpet, the tarp, and just drug her 10 feet. When nobody knew it was bad air. She didn't think five steps ahead. I believe that Ms. Hancock just decided to move the body and keep it on the property. Debbie's body wasn't 10 feet away from an area in the yard where these kids ran around and played. She let her children play in this yard. She let her grandchildren play in this yard.
Starting point is 00:36:13 I can't grasp what kind a person would do that. However, members of the online crime fighting community have their own theories. Kimberly is a small person like me, so it's hard to believe that she done that by herself, in my opinion. A roller carpet weighs a good bit, a good bit by itself, and then you have Debbie on top of that, so I really think she had some help. Rumors have been speculating that maybe Cojak had helped her over there. Over the years between 2004 and 2009, he was possibly threatening her and telling her, well, I'm gonna tell that you kill Debbie.
Starting point is 00:37:02 And rumor is that she may have done something to Cojack to keep him quiet. All of this seems to fit a very concerning pattern that Kim has. First she kills her dad, then she kills Debbie, and now her brother is missing. I mean, what's the likelihood all of you? these people go missing. I mean, it just seems at some point that there might have been some
Starting point is 00:37:31 foul play involving Kojak's disappearance and that Kim, again, might be behind him. Now, prosecutors face convincing a jury of her involvement. After all this time, there was no DNA or no specific evidence actually tying Kim to Debbie's remains. So there's that possibility that the jury won't convict, and then Kim, Kim, walks. After a month-long investigation, Kimberly Hancock is in jail for the murder of Debbie Deans. But prosecutors aren't convinced they have enough to go to trial. It's the sheriff's office responsibility to make sure we can make the best case we can
Starting point is 00:38:21 for the district attorney to take it to trial. I believe that we did that. What district attorneys do and what defense attorney do is basically not our call. They continue to build their case, searching for the murder weapon or any other physical evidence linking Kimberly to the crime. Then, in August 22, three years after Kimberly's arrest, a new witness steps forward. I received a letter from a inmate in the Nash County jail. She had taught to Kimberly and asked her why she was in jail. And Kimberly made the comment that you remember the girl that was buried in the backyard,
Starting point is 00:38:59 but that was me. And she had also made the comment that the only person that could hurt her was assumed dead, which would be Cojac. According to the informant, Kimberly implied she got rid of her brother as well. She made the comment that she didn't have to worry about Cojack because Cojack may have been taken
Starting point is 00:39:25 to the hog shed and the hogs aiding. Unfortunately, the Allerick allegations are impossible to prove. And prosecutors have another problem. The caller who originally told them where to find Debbie's body refuses to testify. You're always running to that with witnesses in court. They want you to have the information and they want you to tell,
Starting point is 00:39:51 but they're not willing to go to court and stand in front of 12 jurors and the person that they told on to give a statement. The tipster was so clear and strong about remaining an Nautism. and didn't want to testify, you would assume that would greatly weaken the prosecutor's case. Ultimately, the prosecution and defense teams agree to a plea deal. Kim's attorney kept bringing up the fact that she, you know, was moved around from jail to jail and had some health issues. She didn't take into Alfred plea. An Alfred plea is you don't really admit to the crimes, but you don't contest it.
Starting point is 00:40:34 When Kimberly took the after plea, the judge gave her eight years, eight months, and ten days for aiding and abetting murder and for concealing a death. For Debbie's loved ones and those involved in the investigation, the outcome doesn't feel like justice. We went through years and years of emotional trauma and it wasn't met with what she got. She got off really easy with everything that she had done. I believe Kim should have gotten at least 20 years. She has deprived a family of a daughter, a mother of children. I think that was just a slap in the face. She killed Debbie.
Starting point is 00:41:25 She kept living her life and put her in the backyard and just kept going. Debbie counted Kim as a friend. I don't think Kim ever counted anyone as a friend. I think she counted people as who she could use. Kim has very little value for human life. The fact that she murdered her father while he was sleeping, that she would kill her sister-in-law, and then there's the question of her own brother
Starting point is 00:42:02 who's been missing for years. There's just been so many rumors out there, there. But what I need is the same kind of tip that I got with Debbie to bring me to where Cojack is and what really happened to him. The family deserves closure on that.
Starting point is 00:42:24 Two decades after Debbie's murder, questions still linger. But her family is doing their best to move on. Debbie would not have told you she was perfect. I'm just grateful that her children know
Starting point is 00:42:41 where she is right now. My mom had four of us. We're all still very, very close. We joke on my youngest sister all the time that she is the spitting image of my mom. So I feel like she's living on and everybody is around us. Kimberly Hancock is scheduled for release in 27. Her brother, Roger Kojak, Icekew is still missing.

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