Snapped: Women Who Murder - Liz Golyar

Episode Date: October 25, 2020

An investigation into the disappearance of an Iowa mother sends police in two states on a wild journey, during which they encounter a volatile love triangle, stolen identity, arson, and a relentless stalker.Season 24, Episode 15Originally aired: December 2, 2018See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Hi, I'm Lindsay Graham, the host of Wonder East Podcast American Scandal. Our newest series looks at the story of OxyContin, a popular painkiller that helps spur an epidemic of addiction and drug abuse, in which prompted a broad campaign to hold the pharmaceutical industry accountable. Listen to American Scandal on Amazon Music or wherever you get your podcasts. When a divorced mother and a single father weighed back into the dating pool, there's no mistaking what they're after. Come out of something like that a little bit burned,

so now it's time to have a good time. But when another woman enters the picture, what starts as petty jealousy grows into something much more malevolent. She's trying. She's mad. She's very upset. She obviously knew that I had a woman there.

The texting and the emails and the phone calls just got worse and worse and worse. She had been using different technologies to try to hide her true location. She drafted thousands of texts, thousands of emails. I'm back in the f. I'm gonna come. Eventually, the threats moved from the digital realm to the real world in the most deadly way imaginable. She calls me my house's own fire. It was apparent that not only had the leg

probably been dismembered, but that the leg had been charred. As the investigation into the crime deepens, the question becomes, who's really behind it? My paranoia level was through the fricking roof. This person you'd think you know for all this time is not at all the person you'd think you know. Not even remotely. for you. 6.30 p.m. dispatchers in this quiet Omaha suburb receive a harrowing call.

The caller is 40 year old Liz Galiere. Liz reported being shot in a lake north of council bluffs in a park. I'm in no parking lot under lots under the bus 10-side. I have a little red Toyota and I'm playing like two kids. According to Liz, she was walking on a trail when the attack occurred. OK. Is the assailant still there, Mai?

I don't think so. I took off running. OK. As first responders race to the scene, the dispatcher tries to gather as much information from Liz as she can. How many people are there? I don't know. I only have one. Do you know there's a male or female? A female.

Is there more than one woman? I think there's a woman. They shot all the couple shots. They only do it more? I think there's more. They shot off a couple shots. They only hit one, I think. Oh, but I think it's going to go from the right. Oh, Jesus. By the time emergency responders arrive, Liz is losing consciousness.

As Liz is rushed to the hospital, Sheriff's officers secure the park and begin the search for the shooter. Omaha Police helicopter makes it up there in kind of Scansy area. This shooting is just the latest in a long line of bizarre and deadly events that started more than three years earlier.

Liz Galiar was born in Michigan in 1975. Practically from the moment she was born, life dealt Liz a tough hand. When she was a baby, her father died, but then shortly after that, her mother, I believe, was walking somewhere up in Michigan where she's from, and a car went off the road and struck her and killed her. And there was no other family to take her in, so she went to the foster system. After years in the foster system, Liz was adopted.

The family provided Liz with love and support. But after graduating high school, Liz decided to strike out on her own, eventually settling in Omaha, Nebraska. By the time she was 37, Liz had given birth to two children and was rebounding from a failed relationship. After a few months on her own, she tried online dating and came across the profile of 35-year-old Dave Krupa. Like Liz, Dave had recently ended a decade-long relationship.

He was in a very long relationship with a lady named Amy Flora. Amy and Dave, they went out for, I think, almost a dozen years. And they had two children together. We did the family thing. I had the house and everything, but the white ticket fans. But we never found our courthouse and did a wedding. But Dave and Amy eventually discovered their romance was not meant to last. We split the 4th of July must have been 2011.

Amy is originally from council bus. So after breaking up with Dave, she wants to go back to council bus to be closer to the family. Being a good father, he followed. I moved them, her and the kids down here. And then another month and a half, two months after that, I came down here.

I didn't know anybody. It was after landing a job at a local repair shop that Dave took a stab at online dating. The first person to send him a message was Liz Gaulier. We were kind of on the same page, not some serious. It's a very good time, you know, just some companionship. So that's, you know, where we started. And we hit it off.

We're actually hanging out at each other's houses, you know, going to dinner, going out on the town, that sort of thing. She was pretty. She's sexy. There's a lot of fun. She was very lively, you know, expressive. I always wanted to have a good time. However, by the fall,

Dave and Liz's fling seemed to have a good time. However, by the fall, Dave and Liz's fling seemed to have run its course. Liz and myself hadn't been seeing a lot of each other at that time. We were a little more of part. Liz was talking to a dying council bus, and she had made plans to meet up with another day. As he and Liz grew apart, another single mom caught Dave's eye when she came into his shop.

38-year-old Carrie Farver. Born and raised in Macedonia, Iowa, Carrie had a computer science degree, and by all accounts was flat-out brilliant. She was an undocumented genius, like an IQ of like 160 or 155. Though Carrie was very intelligent, she was hardly a straight-laced computer geek. She wanted to live life and have fun. She was not afraid to do shots and drink beer and have a lot of laughs. But the real joy in Carrie's life was Max, her 14-year-old son from a prior relationship.

I believe her son was her life, you know. That's what she worked hard for. That's was her priority. Carrie was a great mom. She never missed any of her son's football games or any band concerts. Between her son, her job, and hanging out with her friends, Carrie didn't really have the time or the desire

to get into another serious relationship. She had pretty high standards to herself, you know, as far as like who she would keep in her life and certainly who she would keep around Max. She was very protective of Max. Then in October 2012, when Carrie laid eyes on Dave Krupa, their connection was instant. She was very pretty. She was also very confident.

And, you know, I guess I ventured a little bit and we got a date. We hit it off. Like Liz Galleer before her, Carrie made it clear she wasn't looking for a serious relationship. We had talked to each other face to face about not being that involved. She made it very clear up front that she was not there for that. Dating multiple people at times and playing the field as they call it, she thought it was entertainment, you know, didn't make any apologies. It was exciting. Like I said, she was super smart.

She as far as immediate astroshure. She had a penance and wasn't afraid to share on, which was nice. And she certainly wasn't bad to look at. She stayed over quite a bit. Dave and Carrie seemed to have forged the perfect, no-strings-attached relationship. So much so, that Carrie seemed unfazed that Dave and his other recent girlfriend, Liz Gahlier, remained friends, even after the romance fizzled out.

That is, until Carrie and Liz ran into each other at Dave's apartment, one November afternoon. Liz stops at Dave's apartment to get some of her belongings, and that's when Kerry is there in Dave's apartment. That's when they cross paths. Liz claimed that Kerry called her a bitch. Shortly after this alleged run-in, the normally free-wheeling Kerry

began exhibiting some bizarre behavior. I said, I have a nice day. I gave her a kiss on the way out the door. Feeling Carrie began exhibiting some bizarre behavior. I said, I have a nice day. I gave her a kiss on the way out the door. Around 9.45, 10 o'clock, I got to text something along the lines of, hey, we should move in together. I was extremely left-field. We had already talked about these sorts of things.

And neither one of us was interested in a serious relationship. So I just texted her back and said, you know, probably not. Almost as fast as I could put my phone back in my pocket, I get a text back, fine. I found somebody else. F.U. go away. I don't want you anyway. You're a piece of crap.

I'm falling on and on and on. Carries a abrupt change of character leaves Dave stumped. But is this just the beginning of the fury? Coming up, will this once innocent fling become a full-blown fatal attraction? My phone was literally unusable. It would just vibrate all day long.

They kind of believe that someone that's bipolar would do something like this. How far will the harassment go before someone really gets hurt? I would become even more real than Cheetah cars and smashed windows. So she gets to shoot somebody, and then she gets to kill another person, and you guys aren't are roasting her. MUSIC

In November of 2012, Dave Krupa's fledgling romance with Carrie Farver has taken a turn for the worse after a heated exchange between Carrie and Dave's ex-girlfriend Liz Gahlier. When they cross paths at Dave's apartment, Liz claimed that Carrie called her a bitch. Soon after, Dave reminded Carrie that theirs was meant to be a casual affair, nothing too serious. That's when he began receiving a series

of harassing text messages. Terry was texting me again, just generally being rude. You know, I hate you, you're worthless, go away, don't talk to me. Day the soon that if he simply ignored the messages, Carrie would eventually stop harassing him. Unfortunately, that wasn't the case. Just one after another, after another, after another, after another, after another.

Probably had over a thousand in the day or more. And the things she was email would just be vulgar, call people horrible names. A bunch of exploatives cussing. I think she's email would just be vulgar, call people horrible names. A bunch of explotives cussing. He had since they had broken up, received emails or messages from Carrie, and it would be like a pictures of Dave's window saying, I'm watching you. Carrie's seemingly unhinged comments weren't solely directed

at Dave. She also told him how she felt about his ex, Liz Gahlir, as well. They were calling Liz names, nasty names, crazy horror, that kind of thing. It was a firestorm of jealousy that just bled out of all these communications. She'd be ranting about Liz trying to say, Liz took me away from Carrie, and then she'd flip around and say, yeah, you're a piece of shit, do, and Liz is a piece of shit.

I hope you die, blah, blah, blah. The harassment got so bad that Dave considered going to the police, but on November 21st, 2012, the police come to him about Kerry instead. He goes in the back of the shop, my guy was running a front counter, and he said, hey, the sheriff's here for it. He's talking about a Mr. Persons report, and I'm showing him my phone with all these crazy texts on it,

going, I'd like file a report too, you know? Make your go away, go find her, and tell her to leave me alone. According to the Sheriff's Officer, Kerry's seemingly unbalanced behavior had recently bled into other areas of her personal life. There were initial texts from Kerry's phone to her own mother.

She received a message that Carrie was going to Kansas for a new job. I'm leaving and leaving my son. And good luck. You can raise him. She had never seen that type of behavior from Carrie. And that's what alarm her so much. She was not on to just abandon her son.

That's not Carrie. Max meant everything to her. There would be no question that something's up. Investigators ask Dave if Carrie had exhibited any erratic behavior prior to the spate of menacing text messages. Dave says no, but it's clear to investigators he's rattled by this whole ordeal.

I believe as Dave explained it, is he felt at least like he had dodged a bullet there with maybe getting involved with someone, maybe it's a mental issue. You know, if it's going to be this way, I'm glad it only lasted 14 days. I don't want to find out how the six months down her road. Investigators ask Dave to let them know

if he receives any additional messages from Carrie. He seemed very honest, transparent, more than willing to help. I mean, just whatever he could do to help, it was going to be a burden off of his shoulders if all this could be resolved. This seems to have gone from a case of harassment to one of child abandonment and a possible missing person.

To just pile on to the overwhelming feeling of where do we go, what do we do next? In an effort to locate Carrie and to better understand the motives behind her actions, investigators reach out to Kerry's mother. They ask her if Kerry had any history of mental illness and she informs them that Kerry has suffered from bipolar disorder. She would go through a depressive period over the years and you just wouldn't hear from her for a while. Nancy's admission gives investigators pause. They kind of believed that Carrie had gone off her medication, was having some mental health issues.

They would kind of believe that someone that's bipolar would do something like this. It's a theory that's only reinforced the following morning, when Carrie's mother informs investigators that she's received another message from her daughter. She received a message from Carrie with a picture of a check attached to the message saying, I sold my furniture. The text messages said, hey, this is for my furniture,

let this person into my house to retrieve the furniture. And the check was said, hey, this is for my furniture. Let this person into my house to retrieve the furniture. And the check was signed by Shana Gollier. Shana goes by Liz as well. Liz used to date a group of. That afternoon, investigators head to Liz Gollier's apartment. Liz explains that not only did she not purchase Kerry's furniture, she was worried that Kerry would try to hurt her or her children. She was sending pictures of Liz's kids,

taking them outside the house and saying, and watching you, I can see you, you better watch your back. However, if Kerry was hoping to drive a wedge between Dave and his former flame, she was having the opposite effect. Liz, he was able to misery with her Dave because Dave was being harassed at the same time by the same person.

And it certainly drew the two of them closer together. We had this common foe, this common enemy, this common problem. You know, we should talk about it to each other, because we're both going through it. Even though they're broken up, and he comes running, and he, you know, he comes to our aid, and they get back together. We could be on a couch watching TV or movie and had been sitting there for an hour or more, not on our phones, not doing anything, and all of a sudden I did an email or a text, and she did an email or a text from Carrie. The texting and the emails and the phone calls

just got worse and worse and worse. In order to stop Carrie, investigators have to find her. So they turn to the internet to see if Carrie's social media profiles offer any hints to her whereabouts. We found a new social media profile. If Facebook profile, several dating profiles on different sites, numerous different, what appeared to be cell phone numbers, it was just a constant. Something new pop up here, something new pop up here.

Detectives hope one of these profiles will reveal Carrie's location. Coming up, the harassment goes from texting to something much more dangerous. I'm gonna get you to come back. I'm gonna get you to come back. She calls me my house is on fire. It's like crazy, cherry.

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Detectives in the Omaha suburb of Council Bluffs, Iowa are investigating the disappearance of Carrie Farver, who, in a matter of days, seems to have quit her job, abandoned her child to the care of her mother, and sent a series of harassing digital messages to her former boyfriend, Dave Krupa. Dave Krupa was living under the assumption that he was being stalked by Carrie. Something along the lines of 12,500 emails. But Dave isn't the only target of Kerry's digital assault.

Dave's ex Liz Gaulier also reported getting similar emails. Kerry has been harassing Liz, similar to these text messages and so forth. Every time she would get a harassing email from Kerry, she would forward that along the date. For the next few days, investigators monitor Carrie's various profiles, but there's no activity that would reveal her current location. Then, on January 10, 2013, Dave Krupa pulls into the parking lot of his apartment complex and is greeted by an unwelcome surprise.

He saw a car parked. It was literally, I mean, 50 feet, probably from his front door to his apartment. And as soon as my attention was drawn to it, I went, that's her truck. That's her explorer. I called the Sheriff's immediately. It said, it's here.

Come and get it. Sheriff's deputies impound Carrie's vehicle and deliver it to CSI's for forensic processing. But again, it seems Carrie has successfully covered her tracks. They said that thing was in pristine condition, it had been cleaned, it was obvious to them. As routine procedure in a missing person case, CSI's processed the vehicle for prints. Thankfully, they're able to recover one potential clue. They are able to lift a print off of a mint container that's left in the console area in the front.

The print was ran through AFIS. You know, nationwide, see if we get lucky and it hits on something. And we got zero hits. There was no match. The print was not even a match for Carrie. With nothing to indicate where she is or what she'll do next, investigators are at a loss.

Over the next several months, Carrie's harassment of Dave Krupa and Liz Gahlier escalates. Lizl would make constant police reports saying that she was being stalked by Carrie that her cars were being banalized, her house was being burglarized. In all those reports, she identified Carrie as the person who had committed these crimes. Then, in the early morning hours of August 17, 2013, the situation takes a potentially deadly turn. Dave had received an email about 12.30 a.m. It seems to be carried, saying, I'm burning Liz's house down right now.

I hope her and her kids are here so they all died. Moments later, Dave receives a panicked call from Liz. She calls me. My house is on fire. It's that crazy cherry. I'm like, oh, my God. I get my car and drive over there. All I saw was much fire trucks, though, houses total.

It was clearly an arson, because there was accelerants. Gas from within the house was used to pour it on clothes and a couch and a basement. Fortunately, Liz's children weren't home at the time of the fire, but there are several victims. Liz's pets, a snake, a dog, a couple cats. I'll die in the fire due to smoke inhalation. The guy helped her clean up some stuff and drag it out of the house, but she wouldn't tell me where she's doing. I don't want your crazy stalker to follow me.

Totally understandable. I get it. I don't blame him one bit. From that point on, Carie's harassment slowly dissipates. There were periods where I would only get two or three emails a day. That was trying to always do. But at some point, it dropped off pretty dramatically. Though the harassment seems to have stopped,

the fact remains no one has seen Carie Farver in more than ten months, a fact that deeply troubles Carrie's friends and family, especially her son. She had missing significant events in her life that she would not have missed. Her birthday would come and go, and Max did awesome football, and then graduated. She talked about that when he was four. And there's nobody that would've been more proud. And nobody had any answers. When detectives show Carrie's family the string of emails and texts,

Carrie allegedly sent to both Dave Krupa and Liz Gahlier, Carrie's family has doubts about their authenticity. texts, Carrie allegedly sent to both Dave Krupa and Liz Gahlier. Carrie's family has doubts about their authenticity. Carrie's mom said this is not the way my daughter speaks. She doesn't misspell words. She didn't have this sort of tone that was in the messages. The harassing messages continue to flare up periodically for more than two years.

Finally, on December 4, 2015, there's an unexpected development. Liz Galiar walks into the Potawatomi Sheriff's Office looking to file a complaint. He said that you were trying to file a arrestment? Yeah, a arrest hit, stalking. She keeps stalking me at Facebook. Has Carrie finally returned, or is this complicated case about to take another unexpected twist?

She starts telling us about how this lady named Amy is harassing her. Amy, we find out, is mother of Dave's children. According to Liz, it all started a few weeks earlier when she began receiving emails and Facebook messages from Amy. The message just came back to her. We'll be the **** out of you for a little matter. But it wasn't just the threatening tone of the messages

that are nerve to Liz. It was their eerie similarity to the messages she used to receive from Carrie. The grammar was really bad in all the same ways. And it was the same repetition over and over and over. You should tell the same person. Could it be the same person behind both Amy and Carrie's harassing emails and texts?

Liz seems to think so. They only dated for two weeks and I don't understand why a person would. So, he's stalking him almost three years later. I would find it more reasonable to believe that his kid's mom is here. If Amy Flora is responsible for all the harassing messages, is it possible she's also responsible for Carrie Farver's disappearance. Investigators ask Liz to forward them her recent exchanges with Amy Flora, Liz agrees. But less than 24 hours later, the case takes yet another unbelievable turn.

I'm the one with the under of your emergency. Oh, yeah. I've been shot in a way. You're dead. The day after, she came into our office to make that harassment report with Davis. That next day, Liz is shot. Coming up, in the wake of the shooting, Liz fights for her life.

And an already bizarre case takes another chilling turn. It appeared that she was targeting yet another female. For three long years, a person alleging to be Carrie Farver has made life a living hell for her one-time lover, Dave Krupa, and the ex-girlfriend he is still close with, Liz Gaulier. Now, Liz has come forward with information that suggests the real stalker might be Amy Flora, Dave's former common law wife, and the mother of his children. Maybe Amy's the one obsessed with Dave and is just trying to take out all these lovers of Dave's.

Before investigators can track down Amy, tragedy strikes again. That next day, Liz is shot. As officers secure the scene, Liz is rushed into surgery. Liz is wound that she had on the thigh. Two doctors examined it, and both had different opinions of what was the entrance and what was the exit. After hours of surgery, doctors

managed to staunch the bleeding and stabilize limbs. Two days later, investigators pay her a visit at the hospital. I was going to be locked up behind me, like a guy in my back, and suddenly they get on the ground. And I started dead. She was in something to the effect of how do you like f***ing Dave, and then shot her in the thigh and ran.

It's Amy. Shot you a little Christmas. Pretty much. What's around, thank you. The police respond, and immediately to Amy Flores' residents. There they located her with infant, son, and another toddler, aged child.

Police question her. She stated she had no idea what they're talking about. Amy claims she's been at home the entire day and was nowhere near the park at the time of the shooting. A neighbor there also cooperated her story, staying in her vehicle. I never left the parking lot of her residence. It didn't appear that she had committed this crime

in any manner. But if Amy hadn't shot Liz Gahlier, then who had? Was Carrie Farver behind this spree of terror after all? Deputy's hope, the answer lies, in the recent spate of threatening emails and texts, Liz allegedly received from Amy Flora. Does there any possible way we could track, you know, keep going with what you have from those emails

that we could still find any trace? There was a YouTube video posted under the name Carrey Farver. It's just a video of somebody using a cell phone, camera going through Dave's apartment complex. They had been using different technology to try to hide their true location, but in this instance, they used their real IP address. The source of the video comes as a shock to investigators.

In that real IP address, it could be traced back to Council of SIOA. That real IP address could be traced back to where Liz lived. It turned out to be dozens and dozens of accounts that were impersonating Carrie. Just one by one, each one of them found its way back to Liz. The breath and extent of Liz's impersonation of Carrie

is breathtaking. If you consider it, she drafted thousands of texts, thousands of emails, all purportedly from Carrie. She would use apps that would disguise her email address. But if Liz Galiar had been sending these messages to herself, who was responsible for shooting her, or for setting her house on fire? Dave Krupo, at some point, realized that his firearm

had been stolen from his apartment. Shortly thereafter, Liz said she was in fear of her life from Amy. When law enforcement appeared to not take her claim seriously, all of a sudden Liz sustained a gunshot wound at a park. Amy Flora did not shoot Liz. Liz shot Liz. It's unbelievable that someone would set a fire

in their own house knowing that their pets are going to die. This is how dedicated Liz was to the scheme. However, the new evidence raises an even more disturbing question. If Liz had been posing as Carrie Farver for all these years, then where is Carrie now? On December 14, 2015, investigators invite Liz Galiere in for an interview, under the guise that they want to ask her a few more questions about Amy Flora. We were going to tell her that we found remains.

The remains hadn't been identified yet, but we believe that they might be carries. If Amy's bold enough to shoot you, she probably killed Carrie. And we know that Amy's communicating with you. I didn't know it maybe felt comfortable seeing if you could kind of push her for some more info on the Carrie thing because if she was you know come out with some details of exactly what she did to carry and so forth like that, that would help our case immensely. Well, I'll try, like, maybe one or two emails. And sure enough, boom, she goes home. She sent these emails into the police then saying, I've got these emails that Amy sent me confessing. The emails also paint a detailed, albeit brutal picture

of how Carrie Farver died. She came over after Dave left for work. She caught her at the house and got her into Carrie's own vehicle. She stabbed Carrie in the stomach in the chest area multiple times. This happened in Carrie's vehicle. The body was burned afterwards, disposed of in a dumpster somewhere. She'd cleaned the vehicle and returned it back to Dave's apartment complex area. We get these confessional emails and it's telling us that this happened in this vehicle. So we decide we need to go back to this vehicle.

We found the vehicle again. It been through a couple owners. I pull out the driver's seat, pull off the fabric, off the driver's seat, nothing. I pull out the passenger's seat, pull off the fabric, off that, there's a dark red stain on the seat. We got the results that it was positive for Carey's DNA. It was a lot of validation. It felt like, hey, we're there.

We did it. We've proven this isn't a missing person's case. If this is a homicide. With Liz now in their crosshairs, investigators need to know if the fingerprint that was found in their initial search of Kerry's car could be a match to Liz. Doty requested our crime tag to compare that print directly

to Liz's fingerprint, because it was on file from Michigan arrest. And upon comparing those prints, it was a match that that fingerprint from the car was Liz Gullier's fingerprint. Even with this new evidence, the case against Liz remains circumstantial, and investigators are hesitant to issue a warrant for her arrest. We do have a body. Not a lot of nobody homicide cases are tried.

A lot of prosecutors won't take them. However, given Liz Galleer's newfound fixation on Dave Krupa's ex, Amy Flora, detective's fear history may repeat itself. Anybody who's willing to shoot themselves is pretty off the charts, not stable. I'm convinced that she was about to do something very sinister to Amy as well. In late January of 2016, investigators reach out to Dave Krupa, letting him know that he, his children, and his ex, Amy Flora, could be in grave danger. Dougie came to me over that day and told me that we know Liz did it.

We believe that Liz murdered Cherry. We believe that she's targeting Amy. I was shocked on many levels. They said, this is serious. This is really need to go take care of your kids. While investigators work to build their case against Liz Gaulier, Dave Krupa moves back in with Amy Flora and their children. They get a call from Liz, but she was very emotional. She was crying on the phone, she was very upset.

So she gets to shoot somebody and then she gets to kill another person and then she gets to move in with them and she gets to be free and you guys aren't arresting her. Investigators invite Liz to the station to talk. When she arrives they turn the tables on her. Why would you create all these emails? I haven't created any emails. They're coming from you. No, they're not. The fingers pointed right at you. I'm doing talking, and I'm going to have my attorney, because I didn't do anything.

We knew she was following and stalking Amy. We know that she was driving by her home, and we were scared for Amy's life, really, honestly. And they were like, we need to do something. I've got enough probable cause to make an arrest. And I feel we have plenty of evidence to point the finger at her. Even as circumstantial as most of it was,

it was still too much to overcome, in my opinion. With enough evidence behind them, police arrest Liz Galiar. It was a huge weight off my shoulder. It felt good not to have to look over my shoulder anymore. And not to have to worry about my kids anymore. Coming up, without Carrie's remains, the case against Liz is far from a slam dunk. There wasn't a body and there wasn't a found weapon and a lot of the stuff was circumstantial.

But then prosecutors make an 11th-hour discovery that could tip the scales of justice in their favor. This was the closest thing we had to a smoking gun. MUSIC Spring the 2017. 42-year-old Liz Gaulier is a waiting trial for the murder of 37-year-old Carrie Farver. Prosecutors believe that after murdering Carrie, Liz assumed Carrie's online persona and pretended to stalk herself and her ex-boyfriend,

Dave Krupa, in order to cover up her crime. All of these reports, the destruction of property harassment, stalking, vandalism, even the arson at Elizabeth's house, they all actually correlate with David and Elizabeth's relationship. If they hit a low point in their relationship, about that same time, the report would be filed. This whole thing that was gone, that was crazy.

I mean, that's like loo-ther stuff. But as the trial approaches, prosecutors still have major holes in their case. Holes that Liz's defense attorneys are prepared to exploit. There was nobody. There was no eyewitnesses. There was no murder weapon. That was going to be a huge obstacle. Seemingly, on a whim, the tech of Avis and Chava are out running around,

stopped by the shop. And Chava says, hey, by the way, you know, we've looked at the computer, we've looked at the phones, and everything. It's anything else got laying around. And I said, oh, you know what? There wasn't old tabloids. What was interesting was the SD card that

was in it. It had been formatted years before, and it looked like it was empty, but things that are deleted aren't necessarily deleted forever. The images from that SD card made it apparent that this SD card belonged to Liz Goliath. Lots of selfies, and just pictures that were consistent with things in her home.

However, there's one photo that stops investigators dead in their tracks. I thought we might be looking at, you know, a tattoo on a person. It looked like a foot to me. It looked like a human foot. It was probably from the knee down. It was a parrot that not only had the leg probably been dismembered but that the leg had been shot.

Could the leg belong to the victim, Carrie Farver? They reached out to Nancy Rainey, who is Carrie's mom, and just verified, you know, what tattoos did she have, and Carrie had a tattoo on her foot. It was a Chinese symbol, and I believed it meant mother. When the photograph was located in the tattoo, it was essentially our body that we were missing. This was the closest thing we had to a smoking gun.

That got our defense because now before where there was nobody, no cause of death, all of a sudden now, they could say, Liz did it. In May 2017, Liz Galleer's trial gets underway. Having waved her right to a jury trial, Liz's fate hangs in the hands of a single judge. But the defense attorney believes there's still a chance for Liz's freedom.

The defense really wanted to sell that the police had not been able to provide a body, a murder weapon, or anything else that would defend, at least say that Liz was responsible for this. Unfortunately for Liz, this defense backfires. Liz was convicted of first-fremorner. So that's an automatic life sentence here in Nebraska without a chance for parole.

She's stone cold. I mean, there's no reaction at all. She didn't cry. She sat there. To hear the judge say guilty in the way he said it and talked about how he couldn't understand how a human could be capable of these kind of things was it was just great redemption I think for a lot of the people in there to hear that the judge saw the same way all of us did. It took everything

to just not jump about the seat and after ridiculous and just state professional. The verdict especially made an impact on the lives of Carrie's family, particularly her mother Nancy and son Max. I'm so happy for Nancy and Max not because of the loss because of the answer. This is not even about vengeance. It's more about having closure, resolution. Now that Carrie Farver's friends and loved ones know the truth, they're determined to remember the woman they knew and loved.

Not the one Liz Gahlier so unjustly made her out to be. Liz tried to make Carrie uneducated, not employed, not a good mother. Carrie was opposite of what Liz tried to make her be. I think Liz is a reason for doing all this. If she was just obsessed with Dave, she would try to take out anybody that got in her way to be with Dave. I think ultimately Liz snapped when she encountered Carrie at the apartment. To Liz, that was a paramount moment for her

and her relationship with Dave. I think Kerry became Liz's obsession and it consumed her to the point of murder. Kerry should be remembered as a beautiful, fun, full of life woman. You know, I wanted their experience thing. I just wanted to be out there and she's a good woman. Hi SnapFans, this is John Thrasher, co-host of Oxygen's other true crime podcast, Martini's

and Murder. I'm jumping in here because there's additional information about this case that you didn't hear in the episode. Tragically, Carrie Farver's body has never been found. Also, as for Liz Goliere, she's currently being housed at the Nebraska Correctional Center for Women. For more true crime stories and updates,

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