Snapped: Women Who Murder - Thomas Gilbert, Jr.

Episode Date: November 12, 2023

An investigation into the murder of a New York business man zeroes in on a family member unwilling to give up their plush lifestyle launching a tabloid frenzy. A closer look reveals the suspe...ct's inner demons calling the greedy motive into question.Season 27 Episode 21Originally aired: August 09, 2020Watch full episodes of Snapped for FREE on the Oxygen app: https://oxygentv.app.link/WatchSnappedPodSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:00:37 A Manhattan financier and his beautiful wife lived the high life among New York's elite. They had a couple of addresses in Manhattan, one on Perk Avenue. They also had a home in the Hamptons. We lived a very nice life, but we needed it respectfully. With an Ivy League pedigree and a head for business, their handsome son was also destined
Starting point is 00:01:03 for New York's upper crust. He was a lady's man. He was incredibly good-looking. He tried to start a business of his own. But a darkness is about to consume their whole family. What's in my joints today, ma'am? My husband is, I think, dead. Where's the Gilbert who was lying on the floor. Where'd he gone, Sean?
Starting point is 00:01:27 Where'd he go to his head? I was stunned. I was absolutely shocked. The media frenzy that ensues will engulf all of Manhattan high society. It is a murder-sending ripple through a quiet upscale Manhattan neighborhood. You're finding out that there.
Starting point is 00:01:43 One of these little rich kids with the entitlement issue. We've got money and power and privilege and murder. But it's what the cameras don't see that reveals the truth behind this Prince of Manhattan's fall from grace. I thought, oh, you're far sicker than we ever knew. If you have an adult child who's suffering with mental illness, it is very difficult to force that person to see doctors and take their medication.
Starting point is 00:02:13 What happened to our family should never, ever happen to any other family again in this country. MUSIC High above the busy Manhattan streets, life in the high rises of Midtown is more refined. When you move into one of these neighborhoods in Manhattan, you don't just sign on the dotted line and move in. You have to pass background checks. They have old money, more than they have new money, but the key factor is they have money. Just after 3 p.m. on January 4th, 2015, an unusual call comes into 9-1-1 from 67-year-old resident, Shelley Gilbert.
Starting point is 00:03:13 What's emergency today, ma'am? My husband is, I think, dead. OK. Please rush. I'm going to do the EMS. Do not hang up, OK? Thank you. OK.
Starting point is 00:03:24 We know that the victim was Thomas Gilbert, a male in his 60s. The caller was his wife, Shelley. And he's not breathing. What? I don't think so. I can't get a post. I think he's dead. He's been shot. He's been shot?
Starting point is 00:03:41 Yeah. Minutes later, first responders enter the apartment. We saw her the wife at the time, Shelly. She was very, very upset. Shelly directs police to the couple's bedroom. When investigators initially arrived on the scene, it had the look of a suicide. Mr. Gilbert was laying on the floor.
Starting point is 00:04:05 When a gun shot went to a set, the gun was in his hand. Which is a little strange, because you would figure if you hit the ground, the gun would probably be released from his grip, and it would be on the ground, which it wasn't. Investigators immediately honed in on the fact that it was odd for someone who allegedly committed suicide to still be holding on to the gun. We could rule out suicide at this point,
Starting point is 00:04:32 but your mind starts working and thinking, I mean, what happened? Was it a burglary? Was it a robbery? In the next room, Thomas' shaken wife, Shelley, is also processing the devastating scene. I was stunned. I was absolutely shocked.
Starting point is 00:04:47 I just remember trying to get through a minute to minute. Mrs. Gilbert's with a couple of detectives asking questions. You just keep on going until you find out all the facts. Born in 1945, Thomas Gilbert seemed destined for success from a young age. He was born into a very upper-class white collar family. He didn't want for anything while he was growing up. He attended and over college, and then he graduated from Princeton in 1966. from Princeton in 1966.
Starting point is 00:05:29 In the late 70s, Thomas was an up-and-coming Wall Street big shot when he met beautiful Shelley Ray. I met Tom at my favorite dance in New York. He called the following Tuesday. We went to a disco tech called the Hypopotamus for drinks. Three quarters the way through the evening I wanted to give him a shake and say, where have you been all these years? She was a deputy-tongue and they moved
Starting point is 00:05:50 in the same circles of high society in New York. And they married in 1981. They were a beautiful couple. They seemed to be madly in love. By the early 80s, Thomas and Shelley were comfortably established in their roles amongst New York's upper crust. Thomas worked on Wall Street, and Shelley Gilbert was Assistant Vice President at New
Starting point is 00:06:16 Court Securities Corporation. They later moved to the Upper East Side. They also had a home in the Hamptons. They had it pretty well. Memberships did various clubs. They were pretty much socialites in the area and had a lot of friends and were well-respected people in the community.
Starting point is 00:06:36 Three years into their marriage, Thomas and Shelley welcomed a baby boy. Tommy was born in 1984 and we were ecstatic. After paternity leave, I went back to work for a year, and I missed him dreadfully. So I became a full-time mother. The Gilberts had two children, Tommy, and they also had a daughter.
Starting point is 00:06:58 We were ready to have children, and loved it. Absolutely loved every bit of parenting. When it was time for their son to attend college, Tommy followed in his father's footsteps by attending Princeton. While he was at Princeton, he was taking an economics course that he absolutely adored. With dashing good looks, Tommy stood out among his wealthy pedigree'd peers. He was quite tall.
Starting point is 00:07:28 I think he's about six three, very, very fit, blonde, very model-looking. He dressed very casually. In 2009, Tommy graduated from Princeton with a degree in economics. Thomas Gilbert Sr. really wanted his son, his name sake, to follow in his footsteps, to carry on the family name and pursue a job on Wall Street. But Tommy, like his father, wanted to chart his own path. He tried to start a business of his own using technical charts to predict market action.
Starting point is 00:08:11 He went through legal process to establish his company. He did some work for my husband and my husband's business and my husband paid him for it whenever he could. Still, Tommy had to rely on his parents to stay afloat in expensive Manhattan. Thomas's Chelsea apartment was $2,400 a month. Thomas's parents paid for his apartment, and they also gave him an allowance of $1,000 a week. With the generous cash influx of over $6,000 a month from his parents, Tommy had time to work and play the field.
Starting point is 00:08:51 Tall, blonde, and destined for big things, Tommy never had a hard time finding a date. After college, Tommy started dating a socialite named Lizzie Frazier. The two of them together were beautiful and a stunning pair out on the New York social scene. After their relationship fizzled, Tommy began a fling with publicist Anna Ross Child in December of 2013. I did think he was very handsome. That's for sure.
Starting point is 00:09:23 He told me that he worked for his dad for a time, but so I got the feeling that he was just trying to do something to make his dad proud. While his son dated gorgeous women and tried to build a reputation in the business world, Tommy Sr. was hard at work on a new venture of his own. After 40 years on Wall Street, he started his own hedge fund, Wayne Scott
Starting point is 00:09:47 Capital. Tom was starting a business, but it wasn't quite there yet. But it showed every sign of doing extremely well. The Gilbert family seemed bound for continued wealth and success until one tragic January afternoon. We had received a call that there was a person shot at the Beakman apartment complex. Thomas Gilbert Sr. has been murdered. The weapon was laying on his chest and his hand was placed over the weapon. What it appears to be is a bungled attempt
Starting point is 00:10:24 to make it look like a suicide. and his hand was placed over the weapon. What it appears to be is a bungled attempt to make it look like a suicide. After ruling out suicide, detectives are also able to quickly eliminate the possibility of a random attack. Either you're getting buzzed in or you have a key. So we know that. We also know that it was no breaking at the front door of the Gilbert home as well.
Starting point is 00:10:45 So we knew that it wasn't a burglary. But who targeted this wealthy business man? By this point, the neighborhood is aware that Thomas Gilbert Sr. has been murdered. And everyone is concerned. Is there a killer on the loose that could come for them next? Coming up, Shelley Gilbert relives the worst day of her life. This is perfect, and I'm not sure I'll ever believe it happened.
Starting point is 00:11:14 I was terrified. And a citywide manhunt becomes front-page news. We have a shell casing, envelope with the serial number of the gun that was recovered at the crime scene. Let's get the person that did this as fast as we can. All my friends were telling me get out of your apartment. I was so scared. In January of 2015, Shelley Gilbert was full of pride for the success of both her husband,
Starting point is 00:11:49 Thomas Gilbert Sr., and her son, Tommy. Tom was starting a business. Tommy, maybe a month before that, he had done a very fine analysis of the market, which Tom had actually used in his investing with success. It was good for his portfolio, so I was thrilled. Is it not every father's dream to have their son follow in their footsteps whenever that's possible? But that dream came to an abrupt end
Starting point is 00:12:17 on the afternoon of January 4th, when Shelley Gilbert found her husband dead inside their Manhattan apartment. This is perfect, and I'm not sure I'll ever believe it happened. I was terrified. Mr. Gilbert is laying on his back. We had one gunshot wound to his head, which was the cause of death.
Starting point is 00:12:39 The gun was a 40-lock. There was a spent-round found at the scene, as well as the casing. To piece it all together, investigators turned to the woman who'd made the 911 call, Thomas's wife Shelley. The odd thing is that Shelley's ton of voice on the call was rather calm. I mean, let's face it, whenever there's a spouse who is met with some sort of horrible death,
Starting point is 00:13:08 they always look to the husband or the wife. In her interview with police, Shelley explains that around three o'clock that afternoon, their 30-year-old son, Tommy, had paid an unexpected visit. He came in unannounced. I was surprised to see him thrilled to have him come by. He told me he wanted to see Tom to discuss business.
Starting point is 00:13:34 On his way to talk with his father, Shelley says Tommy asked her for a favor. I thought, this is good news. He's really doing well. He wants to work with Tom. That's terrific. He asked me to go out and get a sandwich and Coke and I did.
Starting point is 00:13:51 That was that. He and his dad were going to have a conversation relative to some financial things. And he had some plans that he wanted to go into with his dad. That's when Thomas went into the room to speak to his dad. Shelly leaves the house and call it a mother's intuition, call it what you will. But a few minutes later, she gets what she
Starting point is 00:14:12 describes as a bad feeling. She turns around and goes back to her apartment. I came back right away. There was something about it that was concerning, so I came right back. I didn't get a sandwich. Shelly tells detectives that as soon as she entered the apartment, her stomach sank.
Starting point is 00:14:32 She is most notably struck by what she calls a deafening silence when she walks in. I was expecting to hear conversation when I listened at the door. I heard nothing. And I was concerned about that. She goes to the back bedroom and immediately sees her husband on the floor.
Starting point is 00:14:51 My first thought when I saw Tom was, oh, you're knocked out, you must have gotten into a fisticuffs. Shelly says she quickly realized the situation was much worse. She sees her husband on the floor with a bullet hole to the side of his head kind of weirdly holding a 40 caliber block. Shelly immediately picks up the phone to call 911
Starting point is 00:15:18 as any wife would do. I remember talking to the nice lady on the other end of the phone. You know, when will they be here? When will they be here? I remember being desperately in need of being with somebody, not being alone. It seemed like a very long time before they came. Shelly tells investigators there's only one person who could have shot Thomas, their son, Tommy Jr. That's the only other person in the
Starting point is 00:15:47 apartment when she leaves. By the time Shelley Gilbert gets back following her intuition, Tommy's no longer there. I thought, oh, you're far sicker than we ever do. According to Shelley, Tommy suffers from severe mental illness. He would do things like wash his hands frequently. He would lose things. That seemed to increase, and I realized in retrospect that certain objects became contaminated, and he couldn't deal with them. And so that he would just avoid them. And as that became more so,
Starting point is 00:16:26 it became obvious what was going on. Thomas was diagnosed with obsessive-compulsive disorder, and it would show itself sometimes with him believing that things and places and people were contaminated or radioactive. When he last saw his doctor, they were trying to evaluate him for schizophrenia, and which I'm sure he was full on schizophrenia.
Starting point is 00:16:56 We wanted to get him help, we were trying to convince him to get help. Shelly tells detectives that their efforts had only pushed Tommy further away. He didn't want to have anything to do with us, and he wouldn't answer texts or phone calls or emails. When we did talk to him, he'd tell us not to try and get in touch with him.
Starting point is 00:17:15 As he got sicker and sicker towards the end there, we saw less and less and less of him. We were bashing our heads trying to figure out how to communicate with them more, overranging things to keep them busy that we might be able to be part of. As Shelley pours her heart out to detectives, it seems clear to them that she is telling the truth. This poor lady, you feel terrible for her. She lost her husband. In her mind, she thinks her son had something to do with this.
Starting point is 00:17:46 You could pretty much tell at that point, you can eliminate her as being a suspect. Watching her and seeing her demeanor, we knew that she wasn't involved in this. As for Tommy, detectives know they need to act quickly. We're making a prime suspect number one at this point. We have to worry about if Thomas is the alleged target at this particular point, okay?
Starting point is 00:18:10 Is Thomas having another gun on him? You don't want some innocent person being shot? Let's get the person that did this as fast as we can. It is a murder-sending ripple through a quiet upscale man-hat in neighborhood. Three of us, Vivian, male, white, and early third. We're in a dark footage, a sweatshirt, famous carpet, Gilbert, Jr.
Starting point is 00:18:29 He's eight still being the area, one known right now. The ones who are not. Coming up, police close in on their suspect. They have no idea what to expect. And alarming new information casts a dark shadow over this once-guilded prince of Manhattan. Neighbors saw someone standing in that cemetery among tombstones watching the blaze as this house spurned the ground.
Starting point is 00:19:12 Bosch Legacy returns. My name's Harry Bosch. I'm a private investigator. Now streaming in a two-episode premiere event. Maddie's been taken. Oh, God. His daughter is in the hands of a madman. Why do the police have been looking for me? I'm missing office. And the clock is running out.
Starting point is 00:19:31 Is he alive? I'm not gonna tell you that. But nothing can stop a father. And we want to find her just as much as you do. I doubt that very much. From doing what the law can't. You got to let us do our job. Don't cut me out of this. You have no idea what I'm feeling very much. From doing what the law can't. You gotta let us do our job. Don't cut me out of this.
Starting point is 00:19:47 You have no idea what I'm feeling right now. Harry, we have to do this the very way. You have to. I don't. Nowhere is my daughter. Bosch Legacy. Watch the new season, now streaming exclusively on FreeV. On January 4, 2015, detectives with NYPD's 17th precinct have launched a manhunt for 30-year-old Thomas Gilbert Sr. was found shot to death inside his upscale men
Starting point is 00:20:28 at an apartment. We find out where he lives. We hang his phone. We get a warrant that will know where his location is. So we're up on his phone. We're checking if he's using credit cards. We flagged the father's credit cards. As the police dragnet intensifies, news of the high-profile shooting
Starting point is 00:20:50 sends shockwaves through New York's upper crust. I looked at my messages and people were saying, taught me killed his dad. All my friends were telling me, get out of your apartment. He's going to come there and kill you. I was so scared. Almost six hours passed with no updates,
Starting point is 00:21:12 then detectives finally get a break. It was a ping on the phone, ping meaning that location. That location was his residence, his apartment. At 9.30 p.m., law enforcement converged on Tommy's Chelsea apartment building. They have no idea what to expect, right? They don't know if Tommy is still armed and dangerous. If he's alive on the other side of the door,
Starting point is 00:21:38 they have no idea. We're waiting out there for a long time, it seemed like, and all of a sudden, who surfaces Thomas. Tomi eventually just sort of casually opens the door while he's casually talking on his phone and lets them know that he's on the phone with his lawyer. He knew the jig was up.
Starting point is 00:22:00 I'm sure in what he's thinking is, my best bet is to come out. Let me know that I make this the worst situation. At that point, he's handcuffed and searched, and he's transported back to the 17th precinct. We get back to the 17th precinct, and we put him in an interview room where we were going to interview him.
Starting point is 00:22:23 At that point, Aloya showed up and said, season's sister all questioning, and we stopped. Tommy may not be talking, but the media is. The press jumped on this immediately. We've got money and and privilege, and murder. This is the kind of stuff journalists really go for. When you have names such as Princeton in the Hamptons attached to your name, it hits the news in a big way.
Starting point is 00:22:59 And if Tom and I had been factory workers and living on the outer edges of New York, the press wouldn't have paid any attention to it whatsoever. As the media storm intensifies, NYPD investigators focus in on Tommy's past. Speaking to his closest friends, detectives are stunned to learn that the handsome 30-year-old is the subject of another investigation.
Starting point is 00:23:30 This one in nearby Southampton, a vacation haven for the East Coast's wealthy elite. Tommy Gilbert became best friends with a man named Peter Smith. Thomas would often go surfing and spend weekends at Peter's home in the Hamptons, where they would hang out. They were really close. However, friends say the relationship's sourd when Tommy accused Peter of hitting on his ex-girlfriend,
Starting point is 00:23:58 the gorgeous socialite Lizzie Frazier. Tommy was, for lack of a better word, infatuated with her. And even after they broke up, Lizzie became a point of contention between Tommy and his one-time best friend, Peter Smith. Tommy accused Peter of wanting to be with Lizzie, even though the relationship was over,
Starting point is 00:24:22 and even though Peter denied all of the allegations, that really stuck with Tommy. According to his friends, the tension between Peter and Tommy allegedly boiled over in the fall of 2013. One day, as Peter left his apartment, he was brutally attacked, allegedly by his old BFF, Tommy Gilbert. For whatever reason, Peter decided not to press charges against Thomas.
Starting point is 00:24:54 Though Peter never formally pressed charges, he did get lawyers involved. Thomas' friends were concerned about him, but they were also a little afraid. After that, Peter got a restraining order against Thomas. Then, almost a year later, Tommy's friends say a mysterious fire broke out in Peter Smith's Hampton's home.
Starting point is 00:25:22 The whole home burns down. Investigators upon going through the rubble discover that this was arson. There were neighbors who said that they saw someone standing in that cemetery among tombstones watching the blaze as this house burnt to the ground. And in that cemetery, investigators did find gasoline can and strips of purple sheets. and in that cemetery, investigators did find gasoline can
Starting point is 00:25:45 and strips of purple sheets that looked like they were used to accelerate the blaze. Despite Peter's suspicions, Southampton investigators never uncovered definitive proof that Tommy Gilbert was responsible for the blaze. The police were not able to prove anything about that house. If he did it, if he did not, who knows? Thomas Gilbert was never charged or convicted with setting the fire.
Starting point is 00:26:16 He was the main person of interest. Now, only four months after the fire, Tommy is back in the crosshairs of law enforcement. To get more information, police sit down with Shelley Gilbert once again. According to Shelley, though her son had suffered from mental illness for over a decade, he worked hard to hide it from those outside the family. It was always putting his best foot forward, so when he got sick, that was very much a part of what he was doing, trying to appear in that case normal. And so that made it harder to see.
Starting point is 00:27:01 Throughout all of this, his outward appearance is still immaculate. Meanwhile, his apartment is a train wreck. It's the shambles, dirty, everything's out of place. There's a mismatch between his outward appearance and what's really going on behind the closed doors. According to Shelley, as the years went by, Tommy became more and more paranoid. His paranoia was that people were out to harm him.
Starting point is 00:27:34 And he had various iterations of that that were very real to him. As Tommy's paranoia grew, so did his dependence on his parents. Thomas Gilbert, senior, used to give junior money. He used to give me $1,000 a week, and he used to pay his rent, which was $2,400. Through it all, Shelley says she and her husband tried desperately
Starting point is 00:28:02 to get their son the help he needed. The only way to get somebody into a hospital against the well is to go through the legal process, which we were more than willing to do, to have them taken in by the state. But there are so many people that get taken in to the state that they are overwhelmed and will keep people typically only for four days.
Starting point is 00:28:27 And after four days, one would have a very angry, very medallion, son on their hands, which is even worse. If you have an adult child who's suffering with mental illness, it is very difficult to force that person to see doctors and take their medication. And that's the track that the Gilbert family fell into here. Shelly tells police she believes Tommy is so sick that there's no way he could have understood what he did
Starting point is 00:28:58 when he put a gun to his father's head. It was capable of doing it, but not understanding the impact and the importance of it. Coming up, Tommy's friends paint a different picture of this playboy's life. He seemed to be in very good spirits two weeks before he had killed his dad. And detectives uncover bad blood between father and son.
Starting point is 00:29:25 All of a sudden his dad is taking some money away from him. He says, in my opinion, stochastically, I love you. You're wonderful. Now, stay the hell away from me. In January 2015, Shelley Gilbert finds herself at the center of a storm few can imagine. Her husband of 35 years is dead, and her beloved son is under arrest for his murder. I still can't believe that. Still can't believe that is true. Not only am I agreeing with her, but agreeing with her.
Starting point is 00:30:06 Shelly believes mental illness is what caused Tommy Gilbert, Jr. to shoot his father on January 4, 2015. He was sicker than we realized. And then he proceeded to get sicker because he wasn't getting any help. As investigators build their case, one question remains. If Tommy was mentally ill,
Starting point is 00:30:30 how did he manage to get his hands on the 40 caliber block he used to kill his father? You can't get permission to have a firearm permit, a handgun permit, unless you have four people in your life willing to attest that you are mentally fit. Tommy didn't do that. Having confiscated Tommy's computer from his apartment, investigators scrutinized the 30-year-olds emails.
Starting point is 00:30:58 They discovered that Tommy found the lock for sale on the internet. So Tommy has a long email exchange with the gun seller where they decide on price, and they decide on Tommy getting in the car and driving to Ohio to get the gun. Because the person selling the gun figured out that it's illegal to just throw a Glock in the mail.
Starting point is 00:31:21 It would made, when I broke up with him, that week is the week that he went to go in the mail. It made when I broke up with him that week is the week that he went to go buy the gun. Two investigators, Tommy's trip to Ohio seems at odds with his mother's portrayal of a young man who had no understanding of his actions. Sounds like it was quite planned that he drove to another state, bought a gun, drove back with it
Starting point is 00:31:44 in order to hide it. If the murder was pre-planned and not part of a psychotic break, what was Tommy's motive? We're interviewing everyone we can. Anyone that you may have come into contact with, friends or family, whatever we could do. It seems Thomas Sr's new business venture
Starting point is 00:32:04 required him to tighten the reins on his cash flow to Tommy Jr. Tom's father did not have the funds that he once did at the time of his death. He was in the process of starting a new business venture and that takes money. As time got a little difficult for a senior, he started to diminish his weekly pay. So it went down from 1,000, I believe it went down to 600. I believe it even went down to 300. Through those investigations, you're
Starting point is 00:32:36 finding out that he's wanted to use little rich kids with the entitlement issue. And now all of a sudden, his dad is taking some money away from him. Authorities surmise that as the funds dwindled, the tension between Tommy and his dad rose exponentially. It culminates in the months prior to this murder, with Tommy basically sending an email to his father, probably the longest email that he's ever sent to his father, where he says, in my opinion, sarcastically, hey, dad, you've been the greatest dad ever.
Starting point is 00:33:10 I love you. You're wonderful. Now, stay the hell away from me. I don't want to be your son. If we cross paths, I want you to cross the street. Don't contact me. Don't email me. Don't talk to me. As evidence mounts, NYPD detectives begin to believe that it was not mental illness,
Starting point is 00:33:32 but greed and anger that drove this wealthy upper east cider to commit murder. What we started to believe, that Thomas Jr. went there and probably had an argument with his dad. Mom went out. That's why he didn't want the mom there. And obviously he had a gun on him. So his intent was to go there.
Starting point is 00:33:52 And if you didn't get what he wanted, being the spoiled brat he was, you shot him. He panicked. He tried to protect himself and make it look like a suicide, placing the gun in his dad's hand. Tommy Gilbert was charged with second-degree murder. He was also charged with two counts of criminal possession of a weapon.
Starting point is 00:34:12 He was also charged with a criminal possession of ammunition within the New York City limits. As the legal and media storms rise, Shelley Gilbert's frustration mounts. Who wants to hear their child is spoiled and entitled? No, nobody wants to hear that, and it wasn't true. We lit a very nice life, but we lit it respectfully and put our best efforts out.
Starting point is 00:34:38 We're not spoiled people. We don't raise spoiled children. Shelley's concerns escalate as Tommy's condition worsens behind bars. I would visit him and it was horrifying. Sometimes I visited him and he was remarkably coherent. And sometimes he refused to see me. And I assume those were days he was really having a hard time.
Starting point is 00:35:04 So here I was left visiting him and watching him get sicker and sicker and sicker and not being able to do a thing about it. While he was in prison, Thomas's psychosis seemed to be becoming worse. And he would say that he believed everything around him was contaminated. And he thought that if he touched certain things, he would die. At Shelley's insistence, Tommy's attorneys attempt to take action. Tommy's lawyer wasn't quite sure that Tommy was actually
Starting point is 00:35:37 competent to stand trial. Mr. Gilbert was undergoing a severe mental health break. I moved very quickly to have him declared unfit by the court. Coming up, as a courtroom fight rages over Tommy Gilbert's mental competence, his mother stands behind him. How can I shut him up? That's the question I can't. It's impossible. He's still Tommy Gilbert. He's just a very diseased Tommy Gilbert.
Starting point is 00:36:07 And Tommy's future is determined. You can have mental illness, and you can still be guilty of a crime. In August of 2015, Tommy Gilbert's attorneys moved to have the 31-year-old Ivy Liger declared unfit for trial. Defenders have to be able to understand what is going on in the courtroom, what the judge does, what the jury does, what the prosecutor and defense attorney do. He was incapable of that kind of higher level of thought.
Starting point is 00:36:43 To prove Tommy is unfit for trial, his attorneys have him evaluated. The first two psychiatrists were from Bellevue Hospital. Two of them did a very thorough analysis and determined that Tommy was not fit for trial. He was contemporaneously evaluated by multiple, experienced and independent psychiatrists. They deemed him to be unfit, unequivocally unfit to participate in his defense. Despite the findings of medical professionals, the prosecution attempts to argue otherwise.
Starting point is 00:37:18 The prosecutors believed that he could participate in his own defense, he could decide strategy for his own defense, he could tell his lawyers what happened, what didn't happen, what's true, what's not, he could be part of the process. While Tommy is held behind bars, judges and mental health professionals debate Tommy's fitness. Then, on November 4, 2015,
Starting point is 00:37:41 10 months after his arrest, the judge makes a decision. The prosecutors hired a doctor that did rule him to be fit for trial, and the trial proceeded. I was stunned. I was absolutely shocked. He declared him fit for trial. So the system fails everybody. Fails Mrs. Gilbert.
Starting point is 00:38:01 Fails Mr. Gilbert's senior at his memory. It fails the defendant he was completely unfit to participate in his proceedings. In May 2019, after a series of delays, 34-year-old Tommy's trial finally gets underway in a Manhattan courtroom. The media is anxious to get a look at the former New York playboy.
Starting point is 00:38:29 He had movie star looks fast forward to 2019, and that Tommy Gilbert is. Dechevold looks older than his years, weathered, stressed. Over the years, his physical appearance deteriorated completely. And he wasn't even getting in a food to eat. I didn't know it was possible for him to look so pale. He was unrecognizable.
Starting point is 00:38:56 It was shocking, health-thin, and pale, and different he looked. I wouldn't have recognized him if he were walking on the street. If you looked, I wouldn't have recognized him if he were walking on the street. At his trial, Tommy's mental health is once again front and center. Thomas Gilbert ended up pleading not guilty due to reasons of insanity.
Starting point is 00:39:18 In order to be found mentally insane, you have to show that you didn't know what you were doing is wrong. On May 28th, Shelley Gilbert takes the stand, determined to prove her son's true mental state at the time of her husband's murder. I wanted the court to understand how very sick he was. I mean, if you brushed up against him with the coat that he was contaminated, he couldn't handle that. It was too painful for him, too difficult to process.
Starting point is 00:39:48 It'd be very upset. Shelly asserts that Tommy grew to have such feelings about his father as well. He thought his father was controlling the horror, so that was going on in his head. And that's, I think, his reasoning for it. But he had no way of comprehending the gravity of it.
Starting point is 00:40:09 The money that the press has been talking about had nothing to do with it. Shelley's testimony is powerful, but discussing Tommy's illness in front of her son is a heart-wrenching experience. Here I was talking in depth about very personal things about my son and my perceptions and my husband's perceptions of him,
Starting point is 00:40:34 all deeply personal, and he was sitting right there listening to it all. I mean, that's not healthy for him, and it was brutal for me, of course. When it's the prosecution's turn, they allege that Tommy went to his parents' home that day fully aware of his intentions. Tommy Gilbert drove from New York to Ohio
Starting point is 00:40:58 to get his hands on that gun. He bought the ammo. He bought a speed loader. Now, fast forward to the day of what does Tommy do? He shows up at his parents' apartment unannounced, chats with his mother, and then makes sure that she has to leave the apartment, because he knows that he's about to kill his father.
Starting point is 00:41:22 Tommy specifically said he wanted a sandwich and a coke. Why is that significant? Because he knew that she'll never kept coke in the house. She would actually have to leave the apartment to go do what Tommy wanted. And she did. Prosecutors say it was greed, not mental illness that caused Tommy to kill his father. When his dad decided to pull back on the money reins, Tommy probably felt very, very
Starting point is 00:41:57 threatened. Not just that he was going to be out a few bucks, but that his entire lifestyle might come to a screeching halt. You can have mental illness, and you can still be guilty of a crime. The point in Tommy Gilbert's case was, yes, he was mentally ill, but he wasn't so mentally ill
Starting point is 00:42:14 as to get a pass for what he did. The ultimate decision rests with a jury. On June 28th, they return with a verdict. He ended up being convicted of second-degree murder, and second-degree criminal possession of a weapon. The judge in this case sentenced Tommy to the maximum she could have sentenced him to, which is 30 years to life.
Starting point is 00:42:41 She acknowledged that Tommy is mentally ill, but she, like the jury, did not buy that he was legally insane at the time he committed this crime. Though the conviction brings closure to the case, for Shelley Gilbert, the anguish never ends. I wasn't surprised how much it got wrenched, horrified. Um, I still am. Shelley Gilbert is an example of what unconditional love truly looks like.
Starting point is 00:43:16 Her husband is dead. Her son pulled the trigger. But she has been a staunch advocate for Tommy Gilbert. I love Tommy. I hate the disease. If he'd gotten the help he needed, my husband would still be alive today. It's a very sad situation because the Gilbert family has been ripped apart by this. I had Mr. Gilbert Sr, who is a wonderful man, is no longer here.
Starting point is 00:43:47 Mrs. Gilbert's left a widow with her only son incarcerated, and it's just sad all around. Society as a whole needs to understand this is how we treat our very mentally ill. You need to shine a bright light on it, so people understand it. What happened to our family should never, ever happen to any other family again in this country and it can and should be corrected.
Starting point is 00:44:19 Tommy Gilbert will be eligible for parole in 2044. He will be 59 years old. Jelly Gilbert maintains that Tommy was not mentally competent when he shot his father. She plans to appeal his conviction.

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