So Supernatural - LEGENDS OF HAWAII: Night Marchers (with Lopaka Kapanui)

Episode Date: November 14, 2025

The legendary Night Marchers of Hawaii still roam under the moonlight—and crossing their path could cost you everything. Yvette and Rasha return home to Honolulu with master storyteller Lopaka Kapanui to uncover the true history, hauntings, and powerful mana behind Hawaii’s most feared spirits.For a full list of sources, please visit: sosupernaturalpodcast.com/legends-of-hawaii-night-marchersSo Supernatural is an Audiochuck and Crime House production. Find us on social!Instagram: @sosupernatualpodTwitter: @_sosupernaturalFacebook: /sosupernaturalpod Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

E. Como my. Welcome back to So Supernatural. I am Rasha Marie Kakumalama O'Khanani Honua, Pecara. And I am her big sister, Yvette Patrice Kanani Gentile. The next two episodes are near and dear to our hearts because we finally, are taking you home with us to our Hawaii Ney, but we are not doing it alone. Today, we are joined by Native Hawaiian Kanaka Maoli Master Storyteller, Lopaka Kapanui. Best known as Hawaii's ghost guy, Lopaka learned about his family's history, customs, and protocol, which were passed down to him in the traditional Hawaiian way through Moolelo, from mouth to ear. As a master storyteller, Lopaka has received a special citation from the Hawaii State Legislature in the year 2020 for perpetuating and celebrating local culture,

history, language, and folklore through storytelling and knowledge of the Hawaiian Islands' history and legends. There are so many incredible legends that come from Hawaii, but to tell these stories properly, we couldn't just record. from our home studios, we knew that we had to go back home to Honolulu to be surrounded by the land, the Aina, the ocean, and the mana of our ancestors. Being there made these stories feel alive in a way that can't be captured anywhere else. We had the gift of attending Lopaka's Mysteries of Hawaii Night Marchers Ghost Tour. Some of the audio in this episode was recorded on location near the Kamehamea statue and Iolani Palace at night outside. So it's a bit

grainy at times. But with that being said, we feel like you need to witness it for yourself. So without further ado, we are beyond honored to share this story with you and have Lopaka Kapanui tell us the true legends of the night marchers. I should say for me, growing up, you know, when I heard about the night marchers, it was normally after we had gone to a dance, like at St. Louis or somewhere, and we all lived in Pearl City. So we'd be driving back to Pearl City. We'd end up at a graveyard somewhere. And, you know, of course, there would be some Pacalolo, probably some alcohol, even though I didn't do very much, but I was always kind of...

Didn't do very much. You did any of all? I did. I probably tried it. Anyhow, that's a whole other story. I never got into it after that, but I'm just saying. But they would, you know, someone to always start by telling these stories. And of course, we'd start to get freaked out, you know, of hearing about the night marchers. So can you tell us the legends of the night marchers and how it all, the true legend of how it all began? So the night marchers are actually referred to in the Kumulipo. And the Kumulipo chant is the chant of how everything began in the Hawaiian universe, from darkness to the muck to, you know, things coming on land. So they're already in there.

In ancient times, there are many, many processions. Not only warriors, but for ceremonial things, for instance, like a procession going up to the forest to fell a tree to carve it out to be a canoe. There's a whole thing that happens with that. They're bringing a person with them who's going to be offered for sacrifice before they chop the tree down. If they happen upon somebody who broke the kapu, they take that guy to. And there's all the prayers, make sure it's the right tree, you know, chop the tree down. And the way that the co-trees are grown is to keep.

pruning the branches. So by the time they chop it down, you can basically carve out what you need of the canoe and then bring it down to the shore and then carve out the rest. And so there's blood sacrifices for that. So there's those processions that people see. There's also many huni processions. There's processions for Pele, Heaka, Laka. And there's also a female procession that comes through the upper part of Kainuki where we live. Oh, wow. And so this book happened because my wife was getting upset about all this misinformation about my marchers. There's a lot out there. And she was so upset.

She sat on her desk and she's like, give me that book. Give me that book. And she's putting it together. So I'm just providing all the material. And we come across this thing about this female procession. And, you know, a fire station, Kaimuki. Yes. So across is this hill with all these houses.

So that was the compound of the Oahu chief Kaukui Heava. And so this female procession, comes from there. And it marches on the night of the Hua moon phase. So Hua is like a fruit. So the moon is shaped like a hua, a fruit. The trouble with that female procession is, you know, I hardly say this, but I'm very well connected. And so every piece of information, every source I look for to explain who this female procession was, couldn't find anything. And I was starting to get upset. And while I'm looking for this online, behind me is my wife on her computer. and she's listening to the Roe versus Way thing.

And in between, you know, looking from my next source, I sort of heard that. And this voice, literally this voice in my head said, you're a man, this is a female procession. It's not for you. Mahina, not Kane. Yeah. So I thought to myself, okay, so, okay, this is for a woman to know. And the second I say this in my head, my wife goes, I got it.

of course get it that's basically the purpose of this whole thing you know to straighten out all the misinformation

that's on there out there there's a lot yeah the book that Lopaka is talking about is Hawaii's night marchers

a history of the Hua Kuipo and both Yvette and I have read it but I

I was reading it. I mean, I've had it for quite a while because I've been a fan of you forever. And we have so many people in common. But when I was reading it on the plane, on the way, I came here to Honolulu this last trip going through Maui. And it just, every part of my body had chicken skin all over it, reading about it.

But I know that Yvette had a similar experience. Yeah, I mean, I was, you know, out on the North Shore in Covella Bay reading it at night. And I was just, and I wasn't scared. That's the thing. I wasn't scared. I felt like I was finally understanding truly what the night marchers were all about, you know, and learning. And are about. And are about, you know, and that ancient history.

And I think everybody should learn it and know the history behind it. But what I really loved, I'm going to read a passage, and this is about what you wrote about Oahu. And you said, someone asked me once, what is the most haunted island in Hawaii? And I had to say, hands down, it must be Oahu. And I still agree with this statement today. There are powerful, spiritual, and absolutely haunted places on every major island in our chain, of course. However, due to the sheer number of people here and such widespread activity, there just seems to be many more instances of hauntings on this particular island where Rasha and I were raised. So do share.

So many people, population has increased over the centuries, and with so many people becomes a lot of people's personal issues. And there's a lot when people occupy spaces that end up being haunted for whatever reason. So because of the vast population, we don't just have people, but we also have spirits that are more active, more than we think. And so even in downtown Honolulu, if you're downtown for some business in broad daylight, if you can discern correctly, you'll see spirits walking among the living. Let's have you take a listen to Lopaka telling his Moolalo his stories about the night marchers from the evening we took his tour. So one of the primary night marcher moons is a moon phase called Muku. Muku is from midnight to midnight. When the procession arrives through here, it's 4 o'clock in the morning.

So even though I said Alakeha, Bishop, and Nuku'uanu, are three paths where night marches go on those three streets. It's actually this entire section of downtown, Honolulu. So if you're anywhere in that area at 4 o'clock in the morning, and they're coming, and it's too late, you're practically late, right here, if you're struck with such fear that you don't want to die, you have resolve and gumption that you want to live, if you possess the actual athleticism to run, if you can make it from any one of those three streets, and you go in there, you're scot free. Night marchers cannot process through any places where they're in own burials unless the path was there first, unless those Evie belong to them. But in there, you're safe, but you have to stay there until the sun comes up. I want you to Google photographs of those Calvinist missionaries who first came here to do what they did. They don't look like happy people because they're not.

But when they first came, they could only teach reading and writing. When they're finally allowed to teach religion, by that time, they already used. about our sacred places, particularly our Hayao and our night marchers' paths. That's where they built their churches to nullify the beliefs of native Hawaiians. But churches and places like Makawa, Kukalani, Haliva, places on a big island, built on a night marcher path, once a month wrecked, headstones turned over because the path is still the path. Doesn't matter what you put in its way, there's still going to march. So if you decide to come back here at 4 o'clock in the morning and you can determine what moon's

phase that is on our Hawaiian lunar calendar, they'll call me. You said something so powerful. I mean, so many things you said last night were powerful. But you said it's like these spirits are on a loop. And you're just walking right in their path sometimes, right? Explain that to us. So this is what we call a residual energy. Like I was saying last night, it's like recording.

That just repeats itself saying. time, same place. Kind of like how Hamlet's father, his ghost, appears during those hours to, you know, finally relay the message. So that's residual. What we need to be concerned about is something that's cognitive, like night marchers. Which means they know they're dead. They also realize there's this point they can't move beyond.

So because of those two things, they can also physically interact with the living. So not poltergeist, but cognitive spirits. Cognitaphirates. Yeah. And those are also the kind of spirits you have to be very careful with because of their capacity to interact physically. Right. Yeah, like sitting on your leg. What I thought.

Wait, was a night merger with me or was it just a cognitive spirit last night? But what leg was it? It was my left. Yeah, it's a woman. Oh. Could have been your mother. Could have been mom. Yeah.

Really? Yeah. Oh, my goodness They didn't feel harmful, did it? It was weird It didn't feel harmful It just, it physically hurt Like it physically, like

It felt like I was being held Was your mom a big woman? She wasn't, but she was curvy Yeah Yeah, she was... Big bone. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't even think that it could be wrong. Yeah, well, because you said it wasn't scary.

No, it wasn't scary, but I was just like, oh, that hurts. So it made me, like, get up to go to the loa, to go to the restroom in the middle of the night. And I could, like, I was tiptoeing, like, and I couldn't get rid of it. It was with me. And somehow I fell back asleep, even though I was like, this is a sitting ghost. Like, something is holding on to me. Because it started like, oh, I have a leg cramp or something, but it didn't go away. And I can't walk on a leg cramp.

Yeah. Well, if it was actually a sitting ghost, it would have been sitting on you. chest. On the chest. Yeah. So this is something else. Probably your mom. Yeah.

And I was telling you when she told me this, I was like, that's interesting because last night when we were all in the circle, I felt a heaviness in my legs right before we started walking. And I was like, oh, oh, oh. And as we started going, I felt it just kind of ease off. Yeah. We felt protected by you. Yeah, felt protected.

And obviously we have. audio from that recording and it's so amazing, but I would love to know if you yourself have ever experienced a visit from the night marchers. So, this was when I was just taking

over the bus tour from Glenn Grant. And he was moving on to other things, which is why he had me come in and take over the doors. We had 38 architects that we had to pick up from this architectural firm on Old Tell Street. And it took 15 minutes to get them on the bus because they're scared out of their minds. And I said, we can't do the tour unless we get on the bus.

Step one. So they finally get off the bus, and our first stop is the Monoah Chinese cemetery. And so they thought we're going to stay on the bus, and I was going to tell them the story. I said, no, you have to get off the bus. Walk through the cemetery. Remind me, where is the cemetery? It's right here. The one in Manoa?

Yeah. Oh, what point of like? Right before we were driving up. I lived a few blocks from there on Pujala Rise. Oh, okay. I know where that is. Oh, it's haunted. We go up to the top of the cemetery where the tree line is, like on the right side.

And that's where all the kids are buried together. Because a lot of them died from smallpox in the plague. And the second we got up there and I turned on to face the group, this wind is tearing through the cemetery like you know the palms are like bending like this and i can see it you know the people are going like this and the problem is i can see the wind to it but i can't hear it and you can't feel it very hot the people are looking at me like this now going right and they turn around and they they they hightail it back to the bus so the next day i called my cousin keone nunes and i told them what happened he said oh whoa what was this i said last

night because Wehrin said Mano Chinese cemetery he said oh last night was Porcane was the first of the night marcher moons he said there's a procession that comes through the cemetery like where you were standing so I said

so Hakame didn't die because it's right so he said that feeling of seeing everything but not hearing it or feeling it and feeling encapsulated he said you probably had Ohana in that procession so they were protecting you

circle around you. Yeah. And he said, what happened to do to the people? He said, they ran back to the bus. He said, oh, good. Oh. Because you were protected, but you can't protect them.

Yeah. Wow. And I told him, I said, but I didn't do the mookua. Oh, he said, well, probably never need because, you know, they knew who you were. Oh, so you didn't have to do the prayers. Yeah. So he said, and it was a good thing. You had people who were, you know, scared because the first thing they did was run.

Right. So he said, that was smart. And I think the second time was at Kiowa Ula. So, you know, Yokes, Yokohama, at the end, before Kana Point. Okay. But we saw torchlights coming down the ridge where the satellite tracking station is. And we're just, because Glenn used to do this Y&I ghost tour. Oh, right.

So we saw it coming down the ridge and we're like, oh, ha'u'le. So we just took off. Oh, my goodness. But what time were you there? By the time the bus got there It was already like, I think, 8 o'clock So it's pitch dark out there But it also happened to be one of the night

March moon nights Wow And there's four nights A Lunar Moon The common moon phases are Kane, Lono Maoli Muku So Kane is the night of the warrior

And chiefly processions And then Lono is the procession that In life would Stirk and navigate the island Gathering Tax and Tribute Maui is the night of spirits And the night of Muku The Night of No Moon is

When only the gods were on the earth Oh So back in the day People had to be indoors From midnight to midnight And your children and your animals Couldn't make any sound So if somebody made a sound

Then your kowali was found out And everybody was killed If you're wondering How you can protect yourself? from the night marchers if you're in their path. Here's Lopaka's advice to us from the ghost tour. So today, they say if you know night marchers are coming to your house, you're building your school, whatever it is.

Plant tea leaf around the place. It will redirect the path of night marchers. But if you can't find those things, they also say find a good architect or a carpenter who can misaline one of the doors at least half an inch off. If you do that, the night marchers can't pass. The other thing you should do A sidewalk like this

If this were a house I would line a sidewalk with Ape leaves So the Ape leaf is like a giant elephant ear leaf like a collo leaf It's a velvety on the surface You planted along the sidewalk like this You're doing two things You're determining to see if night marches march to your place

Because as the leaves overlap If there's spirits coming through the place The leaves are perfect right so when you see the spirits marching and the leaf does not rend does not tear that's how you know they're truly legitimate night marchers coming through your place then you know what to do the simplest thing to do is feng shui just align everything so it's out of their way everyone's safe no one's hurt you know it's so odd isn't even the right word but I'm so proud that I'm from Hawaii Ine, and I've always found its beauty and it's aloha, but I didn't realize how much violence has been on this, Aina, has been on this land. Like, I'm learning so much now. Yeah.

And how, like, when did that, do we think, when did that stop? When commitment stopped making war. Some Hawaiian activists say that's also when we began to become colonized. Right. Right. Right. That's a whole other podcast. Yeah. This is true.

This is so true. Yeah. Yeah. So you read all these Hawaiian legends, there's a lot of violence in it. Yeah. You know, a lot of them don't have happy endings. Yeah. So, because we have a lot of material that my wife looks through a social, read a Hawaiian legend.

She's like, oh, my God. Like, everybody died. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and if you go back through history, right, and you think about the Romans or the Africans, Like it, in all of these cultures, there always has been a lot of violence, you know, in the very beginning, right? But then, you know, there's also a history of, you know, societies that are great. People get along.

The life of the land is like verdant and producing and some other culture comes along and just. And that's why we have to preserve the Hawaiian culture. Absolutely. Absolutely. And perpetuate the aloha that has always been here. even with all the violence. It always feels like everything was done in a porno way. As much as possible, yeah.

Yeah. I mean, you know, as a whole, we have to preserve humanity. Right. And, you know, start treating each other like decent human beings. I'm going back in my head. I'm just thinking about all the things that I read in the book. And I have such an affinity for Capulani Park because we used to live at the end of Diamondhead

in the little gingerbread house there with my grandmother, my mom. biological family when we first came here. And so that park was like my sanctuary. You know, I would go there. I would sit under the Banyan trees there. And I would feel like they were talking to me, like the trees were protecting me and talking to me.

Can you tell us some of the history of Capilani Park? And if the night marchers, you know, go through there, which I'm sure in your book I've read, I know they did. Yeah, they absolutely do. The park used to be a horse race track for King Kalakawa. He liked going out there. But that area in Waikiki as a whole has such a history with the land. So Waikiki itself is a two-and-a-half-mile stretch of land.

It's only that big? Yeah. Wow. So when Ma'ilikukuhi, the Oahu chief who lived in Wailua, sailing past Waikiki, he saw a beautiful wildlife. water as burdened land. So that became the seat of power. And so during his time, only the highest ranking chiefs could live there. So if you landed your canoe and you're not a certain rank, like it couldn't be there. Kill you on the beach. So the other reason Waikiki was chosen is because

two and a half miles of sand. So sand preserves bones. So they build hail. They have battles. They build the hail where La Petra now is. Oh, the school for girls. School for girls. Built it right on top of the hail. Oh, right. Yeah. And so when Kamehameha comes, you know, for his battle of Nuuwanu.

Oh, yeah. And he brings everybody. The people living in Waikiki now have to doubly produce more food, more fish. So it's already exhausting their resources for Kama'amanehaz army. And so by the time that's over, the people in Waikiki have, you know, practically nothing. And so when Khammeda had to travel, he had to take everybody with them. So nobody could be left behind. That's because he felt if he had even left like the lesser chief behind,

there's a chance that chief might start a rebellion. Right. So everybody had to go. So when I think he was in Vancouver, came through Waikiki and he said, there's only old people. And it looks like it's abandoned. nothing there. And so he asked the old Hawaiians, you know, what happened where's the king? And they said, well, you know, a guy showed up. We had to, you know, provide everything. And like, now we have

nothing. Wow. Yeah. But there's a lot of special places in Waikiki that have hotels on top of that they're not aware of, which is why those hotels are haunted. Right. But it seems, you know, as we're doing this night marcher tour through the Pilani Park, the park itself appears to be, you know, the sanctuary in Waikiki, where it's separate from everything else. There's the zoo. The zoo used to be an island onto itself called Makki Island. And then there was the rest of Waikiki. I think it was the late 90s, really 2000s,

when they're expanding the intersection of Kapulu and Kalakawa. Bones on top of bones, you know, they found. So when you go to Kapulu and Kalakawa and you're turning left, here is this mound. with a wrought iron gate. So the remains that were found there are in that mound today. I didn't know that. So there's a lot in Waikiki that the hotels will never acknowledge

because they don't want their guests to know that there's ghosts in the hotel. But people from Japan come specifically for that. So they come specifically for that? Yeah, they're looking for it. But for some reason, hotels in Waikiki think, oh, if we tell the Japanese there's ghosts, they're not going to stay. It's like, that's not sure. They want that.

In Japanese, Obake, right? Obake, Yulay, Yerke, Yerke, when I was reading, you were talking about in the book how you were kind of like at a crossroads and you weren't sure where you were going and then you met this man, I don't remember the man's exact name, but he offered you this map.

And it was showing like all of the places where the night marchers had been, like specifically, like passed down, right, from generation to generation, this map. But you refuse it. Yeah. And that, again, head-to-toe goosebumps here, chicken skin. Chicken skin.

We're in Hobbit you, you have to say chicken skin. We say this all the time on the podcast, and they tell us. Don't say that. We say that all the time. We are. Chicken skin. That touched me so deeply because that says so much about who you are as a human being. Tell us a little bit.

about that and why you didn't want it? It's like if you have a 100-year-old recipe for chicken Marsala and you want to give it to me, it's not my recipe. It's your mom's and her mom and her mom. So an entire DNA of your family lineage is in that recipe for chicken Marsala. So if I take it and try to sell it as my own, it's wrong. Morally it's wrong. And I'm also doing a great disservice to your ancestors.

And so that map didn't belong to me. Even though I looked at it, I was like, wow, blown away. Yeah. And when he offered it to me, I said, I can't take this. Yeah. It's not my bloodline. It's not my kuleana. So if I take something that's not in my DNA, I said it might hurt my family.

But I'm also hurting, you know, your ancestors, your bloodline. Yeah. And saying to them, well, I guess this wasn't good enough for you to have. So I'm going to use it and exploit it, you know. You wouldn't do that. You wouldn't do that. Yeah. Couldn't do that.

And so I said, just hold on to it. Because he said nobody in his family was interested because, you know, they're all Protestant and Mormon. And they actually told them to burn it. Does he still have it, do you know? Still has it. Well, good. So I said, wherever we're supposed to receive it, you know, that's the person. Wow.

But I said it's not me. Yeah. Yeah. But your Kuleana is telling visitors. and Kamaayna and Hawaiians alike about the night marchers now. They do that now. And you give that gift to all of us. That's your Kuliana, I believe.

Like I said, you know, last night, you know, it's a lot of it as comes off as far-fetched. I don't think so. Yeah. Not to us. We believe in the supernatural, not only because we host so supernatural, but we're from this. I know. Yeah. We know. Yeah. That's why I say, you know, it might come up as far-fetched, but this is where we are. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And we'll forever be. Yeah.

Truly. Truly. Let's listen to Lopaka again from his tour, or he shares this supernatural story about our beloved Iolani Palace. This version of the palace was completed in 1882. The building began in 1879, commissioned by King David Kalakawa. Before that, it was called an old Chicago architectural-style bungalow. That's what it was. But by the time David Kalakawa was elected king, it was falling apart, termite-eaten. King David Kalakawa won the election over the widowed Queen Emma.

And Emma's followers were so upset that David Kalakawa became the king. They grabbed David Kalakawa's followers and bodily threw them off the second story of the courthouse. That was a high second story. So those guys died. So during his reign up until the new palace was completed, King David Kalakawa gave the widowed queen Emma what the young people say are all of her flowers. Every protocol, every honor, front facing the public, that was hers because she was a widowed queen. She deserved it. But the king knew behind his back that Emma's followers were sending curses to the palace to kill him. Now this is one of the worst curses I've seen myself because It's sent in the form of a spirit.

When it's sent in a form of a spirit, it's there to cause dissension and this harmony to the point where people are trying to kill each other. So that's specifically to families, churches, MMA clubs, military organizations. Anywhere there's a large group of people, that's the purpose of the spirit, to cause problems to the point where people are trying to kill each other.

The problem with that spirit is when it shows up, you can't tell who it is. Because it looks like everybody else. You can touch it, you can talk to it, doesn't bathe, it stinks. So, in ancient times when a cowhalla had this problem, they called a cahuna-po-e-e-uhane, the spirit-catcher. That cahuna shows up to the cawale with a wooden bowl made of caulah. And caulah wood is so denser when you strike it a certain way, it makes this spark, caulah. The water in the bowl can only be from the deepest part of the ocean.

And that water in that bowl is turmeric, olena, and redolized salt. All that cahua-huna does is he has everyone in that cowhalla gathered together. and to each and every person who goes like this with a bowl of water. Under their face, one by one. People have said he's looking to see if they cast a reflection. He's looking to see if they will drink the water in the bowl. He's actually waiting for you because he stood there for so long, you finally go, oh!

Breath leaves your body, touches the water, surfers of the bowl. If it forms a ripple, it's a human being. If nothing happens, the Kuhuna slaps the water in the bowl, spirit dissipates. But during his reign, the king, couldn't have his servants running around the palace grounds all day with bowls of water going up to every single person they see. He had to be covert. So this is coming from Hawaiians today who come from that Emma bloodline. Can you see those two small lights on the top and bottom form? Behind those are these oval-shaped mirrors. Outwardly for ornamentation and

decoration, but really they're there because purposely the king is a party animal. Parties last the week. This left side of the palace, that's the throne room. So, dancing in the throne room, Victorian era, Hawaii, heavy clothing, somebody comes out, breath of fresh air. And because intrinsically as human beings ravine, the next thing we look for is a reflective surface. Standing next to those mirrors is the palace guard like the smotching. Person leans in, fixes themselves, breathes on a mirror film of breath, human being. Nothing happens. The guard is allowed to take his weapon, smash the mirror. Spirit dissipates. The reason why this curse is so bad is because it is hardly solvable,

because you can't tell who it is. When you can tell who it is, your next problem is tricking that thing into breathing onto a reflective surface. That's the hard part, which is why it's hardly solvable. I believe you're doing exactly what you're supposed to be doing and telling the world your, Oli, your story. and all of us get to enjoy that and respect it and embrace it. Yeah, it's a beautiful thing. And that's the perfect word, embrace it, because it's so important,

especially for people that are coming from the mainland to be able to know where they're coming and why they're coming. History is so important. You know, it's not just to, you know, lounge on the beach. And have a Mai Tai. And have a Mai Tai. You need to know the Hawaiian history and to respect it. Respect its people, its culture, its land. And that resonates so deeply with us through you.

That's my advice to most visitors is, you know, go to this place and keep your mouth shut and just sit there and take in everything. You know, it's as simple as that. because a lot of times we talk too much. A lot of people talk to, hear their own self-speak and they're missing everything. Hear, hear. Yeah. Say it all the time. Yeah.

She always tells me to listen more. Listen, Linda. Listen, Linda. Listen, Linda. But it's very important because people are so in their head. They're thinking about what they need to say. And they're not truly hearing what someone else is saying. And you're missing the whole point.

So I think. Thank you for continuing to share your story and the story of this beautiful island that we grew up on, you know. Yeah, it's not a job. No, it's a calling, right? And that we can tell. Well, absolutely. And one of the things my mom said to me, because it was two years of literally sitting at her feet and learning everything. but the last thing she said to me was

everything you've learned up until now is not about you. I was still young and stupid. I said, no, no, I get it. She goes, no, you don't. She goes, you'll get older, you'll realize it. She says, but everything up until now, I've told you I've taught you is not about you.

So, went home, because it was in the morning by that point, went home, walked into the house, the phone rang, and I answered it, and it was my sister. She said, Mom just passed away. So this was three years that mom asked for and kind of find out mom only had three years. And so she was also going to dialysis at the same time. So my sister said all of a sudden she's too weak. She can't sit up at the table.

So my late brother-in-law took her to Kuikini. And she was like just couldn't sit up and weak. And then the second they got to Kuokini and the attendants, you know, came to get her and open the door and grabbed her. My sister said, Mom just started screaming, and they made out. She was doing myself.

I'm going myself. And so they're like, no, no, you know, she's like, I said, don't touch me, leave me alone. And she made it two steps. And then when she was gone.

I'm so sorry. I'm so happy that you had that time with her, though. Yeah, she and my aunt, Ella and two other people had this Hawaiian music group. And all their last names were started with K. Oh. So they were the four Ks.

One of those nights, Anteella and mom over there, just, you know, talking and playing ukulele. And my mom said, you know, we were known for our beautiful home and music. And Auntiela said, not only that, she says to me, you know, sometimes we're on the stage, we're playing music and get somebody in the audience like, you know, they're drunk, they like made trouble to us. My mom goes, don't. And my auntie goes, so me and her. her jump off the stage pound, I got.

Oh, my God. Mom was feisty. Yeah. And auntie. That's the Pelle and her. It's a Pellé in her. And so at my mom's service, Aunt Della, is like, she was, how dare you leave me here by myself? You know, supposed to vote together.

Oh. And then, Antiela died a month later. Oh, really? She wanted to be with her. Yeah. Yeah. Nantiela was a kohuna lao la la pao she was very scary so at her services like the mana was like really really heavy because apparently she died before she could pass on whatever she had so a lot of that um hooky-hooki

that that fight within the family was at that funeral because she never pointed everybody everybody was like oh it was me was me so they're fighting over her kuhuna stick oh my goodness who ended up getting it. I don't know. You're like, that's not my Kuliana. Yes. Yeah.

Yeah. I literally said that at our service is like, everybody's like, oh, you think you like them. I was like, no, don't start now and won't be. Just keep it over there. Yeah. Well, as we're wrapping up, what is one thing you would love to tell our listeners and tell the world in your own voice?

about anything at all. I was going to say, in the immortal words of Bukaru Banzai, wherever you go, there you are. That's pretty epic. There you have it. But really, really, what I want to say is this. Think about who it is in your circle, in your life. It needs to know from you and only you that you love me.

them. It might not even be the person you think it is, you know. It might even be yourself. But whoever it is that needs to know from you that you love them, those three words might change their life, you know, change their trajectory, the thought of themselves. As soon as you figure out who that is, call that person. Tell them, I love you. Aloha, wow, I love you. We love you. And if you've got to say, I effing love you, that's funny. That's the pelle coming out, I agree. Take that.

So I can imagine the world right now after this recording. I know. That's beautiful. That is, and that is a true gift. So thank you. Mahalo, al-Lawaka. You have touched us in ways that you can, can't even imagine.

We all need it, absolutely. We too. But the honor is mine, thank you, for considering me. Appreciate it. Mahalo. Mahalo. Oh, yes. There's something wrong in my eyes.

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