So True with Caleb Hearon - Anania Loves Anime

Episode Date: October 16, 2025

Welcome! This week’s guest is the iconic Anania! Anania and Caleb talk everything from their mutual midwest roots, phobias, hosting Gaydar, Paramore, favorite anime’s, and so much more! Join our Substack for an exclusive post-episode chat with Anania and other bonus content! https://calebsaysthings.substack.com/ Follow Anania! @anania00Follow the show! @sooootruepod Follow Caleb! @calebsaysthings Produced by Chance Nichols @chanceisloudHead to https://www.squarespace.com/SOTRUE to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code SOTRUE.Donate to support Planned Parenthood now at https://www.PlannedParenthood.org/Defend Philo’s where all the best TV comes together! 70+ live channels, unlimited DVR, with access to HBO Max Basic With Ads, AMC+, and discovery+Sign up to start watching now: https://bit.ly/4oiweFq About Headgum: Headgum is an LA & NY-based podcast network creating premium podcasts with the funniest, most engaging voices in comedy to achieve one goal: Making our audience and ourselves laugh. Listen to our shows at https://www.headgum.com. » SUBSCRIBE to Headgum: https://www.youtube.com/c/HeadGum?sub_confirmation=1  » FOLLOW us on Twitter: http://twitter.com/headgum  » FOLLOW us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/headgum/ » FOLLOW us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@headgum So True is a Headgum podcast, created and hosted by Caleb Hearon. The show is produced by Chance Nichols with Associate Producer Allie Kahan and Executive Producer Emma Foley. So True is engineered by Casey Donahue and engineered and edited by Nicole Lyons. Kaiti Moos is our VP of Content at Headgum. Thanks to Luke Rogers for our show art and Virginia Muller our social media manager.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is a headgum podcast. When you came on my show, one of the comments were like, Midwest princes. And I was like, oh, not that. And I literally, like 30 seconds later, I went to go see it again. And it was deleted. I was like, work! Yes! New comment.

Midwest royalty. Yeah. And an I. What I wanted to tell you was before. we actually get into it, come on. I was reading your Wikipedia, because every time I go on a podcast, I feel under research. Yeah. I was reading your Wikipedia, and I

go to personal life. It's three sentences. The first one is, he is gay. And period, by the way. I was like, oh yeah, I guess. Yeah, that's pretty important. I see that. I see that for him. Yes. Oh, my God, that is so funny. What is the first sentence of yours, do you know? I don't know. I don't even know

if I have a Wikipedia. No? No, not on there? Damn. Someone needs to put you On there. Yeah, wow. Chance that you don't. It's just like that. That's all right. I'll be there.

Dude, I'm so excited to have you here. Thank you. I'm excited to be here. You have been, I'm a little worried about my friend. Uh-oh. Because you're busy. I am. You've been really busy lately.

Yeah. And it's been, I feel like it's a lot. How are you doing? Right. First of all. Someone, yesterday, when I was literally filming yesterday, someone was like, how are you doing spiritually? And I was like, oh, I've been spiritually exhausted for three months now.

Oh, I'm here. Yeah. But, you know, I'm paying my rent. Yeah. New York. Got a new apartment. I do. I just moved into this new apartment about, it's either, what day is it?

What day is it? I think it might be two months now. Yeah. What's the address and unit number? Oh, sure. So, what is this? This is 20, anyway. Yeah.

Oh, my gosh. Well, I'm so excited for your new apartment. I'm so excited that Gaydard is going so well. Thank you. And thank you for doing my show. I was thrilled to be on it. We're so versatile. We're going show for show.

Me and you, let's flip-flop. Honestly, Caleb, I would like to see it. Yeah? Yeah, I don't know if we would have good sex, though. Me and you? Yeah. What makes you say that? Because I obviously was hurtful to hear.

I don't know if you're... I don't know if I'm ready. Maybe that's... You don't know if you're ready for our sex. Yeah. Like, I don't know if I'm able to receive or give you what you might need. You might not be. Yeah.

That's okay. Based on you saying that. It's fine. Well, I'm also going off of your personal life from Wikipedia. Yeah. And you are gay. I'm gay, yeah. So I don't know how much fun you would have with what I got going on.

I'm Barbie smooth down there. Yeah, nothing going on, just straight up non-binary vibes. Yes, you get it. Yeah. Okay, good it. I get it. I'm around for it. Are you?

You know, I've gotten down with many things. That seems like a threat. No, yeah. Yeah. Don't be, don't be so sure. Are we going to have sex on? Okay, no, no, no, no. Not on this camera.

I've been, you name a gender, I've been in there. What are you after? Can we go back just one second? Go ahead. Name a gender. Name a gender. That's crazy. I'm in there.

Is that your gender inclusivity? Is that how it happens? I have, look, when the time is right and when it's fun, I've been a little bit of everywhere. Now, did I have a lot of fun with, when I was in high school, I was exploring straight? Not for me. This is also on the Wikipedia. Straight was not for me. Yeah.

Straight was not for me. But I gave it a good faith effort And I feel that so many people don't Absolutely You know? I think that's really beautiful I think the problem with America Is a lot of people aren't

Inclusive with their hearts But maybe they're inclusive with their penis Yeah Yeah and I'm I'm given I'm both I'm both I'm community heart I'm community heart

This heart's been passed around What are you looking for? Are you single? I'm not I have a boyfriend We've been dating for like a year and a half know. How's it going? It's going good, I think. Yeah? I think so. I mean, this is like my like really serious adult relationship, my first one. So I'm really excited about it. It is

kind of crazy to like, um, you kind of have to let go of a lot of baggage to be in a long-term relationship. Yeah. It's always like a, I'm always working on something. You know what I mean? But it's fun and I love them a lot. I remember when people on Facebook took that very seriously. Oh my God. The single, it's complicated, engaged or married thing. That was fun or poking. You remember when poking meant something? Girl, do I remember poking? Poking. I was poking. I was poking bitches down. I was poking. I was poking

bitches down. If you got a poke from me, it meant something. What did it mean? I wouldn't say. It depended. It depended. Like, I would put, you know, though it's so crazy is I remember in, like, I had me and one other little closeted gay boy in high school, that we were both closeted gay boys out to each other. Oh, that's sweet. It was sweet.

Community, sisterhood. Community. And, of course, it started with hooking up. Oh. Okay. But then we'd be like, we'd be like, oh my God, one of the straight guys from school poked us on Facebook. Like, what does it mean? Like, we would try to tell him, like, does that mean he's gay? Like, and it's so nebulous, you never know. The gymnastics you would do in high school to try to find out if another boy was gay.

Right. So intense. Oh, good for you. I wish I came out a little earlier. But I kind of, I'm kind of enjoying this, not late in life, but I definitely had my time to sit on it. Yeah. Yeah. What, you grew up in Davenport, Iowa.

I did. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Quad cities. Yes. Come on. We talked about this a little bit. Yeah. Yes.

Yes, yes, yes. How was it? Um. first of all I'm happy I'm not there anymore I'll say that much but I do the other day I got a little

homesick and I don't know what it was oh literally yesterday we were filming and I saw two tractors go by and I was like oh I could have had it all you could have had it all I could have been working

like mid-level John Deere and sucking dick in a bathroom you know what I mean just to scratch the itch you in a pair of overalls up on a tractor kind of kind I think that's my next birthday shoot

It's eating, and it's giving, and I would love to see it. Or I could do, like, the country girls make do. Just have my ass out in a mini dress? Yes. With a dripping piece of corn in the foreground. Just holding a drill on something it shouldn't be on. Yes. Yeah.

I love that. I recently did buy a drill for my new apartment. Pink? So I can be Butch. Did you get the pink set? No, I got like a... Oh, God. Like a real, like...

I don't even know. Yeah. The lesbian said to get it, so I got it. That's what it is. Right. It's you have to take the lesbian's lead on that stuff. Right. Yes.

What's making you happy of? lately. What's making you happy in life? By my new apartment, there's a Wendy's, there's a Popeye's, there's a Dunkin' Donuts, there's a Sonic, and a grocery store literally as soon as I walk out the door.

I could weep. Across the street. I could weep. I haven't eaten anything but fried food in two months. Okay. People also, I think they don't, I want people to really understand when the way that you're going right now you've got gaydar you have all your other stuff

you're in this show right now that we're going to talk about you have so much going on that like genuinely being able to grab a fucking chicken sandwich on the way out the door is like necessary it actually has been saving my life it really does my the juxtaposition of what's in my fridge versus what's in my closet is crazy yeah like i'm pulling like i have like all these like outfits and stuff just in case i got to go or i have to do like a one-off shoot or something like that but in my in my refrigerator there's three eggs Polynesian sauce

from Chick-fil-A you know what I mean there's nothing in there that could actually sustain me but I do look kind you do looks good all the time oh don't worry about

no no no that's okay there's urine on the floor Chance can we clean up the urine I'm sorry don't be we like that it adds character to the show also I was just noticing

why you're talking how well the mic matches your boots and bow and outfit like you know You have a six cents for these things. Thanks. Like a true diva does.

I can't wait until I'm styled instead of styling myself, though. Yeah. Oh my God. Chance trying to crawl under the cameras. They're going to see this, Chance. It's, my love. Just my love. Get the tendrils.

Thank you. Get the offshoots. Get the tributaries. Yep. Great job, Chance. We appreciate you. Oh. He can't.

He can't. I love. We're not cutting any of that. We're leaving all of that in. You at one point just kind of quietly, my love. I wasn't expecting all that, but work. Okay, wait, I want to know this.

Davenport, Iowa. Now you live in New York City. I do. Tell me about the in-between. I will. It's just so interesting because you're a great interviewer and I like to think I'm a good interviewer

and it's hard. You're a great interviewer. Thank you. It's hard to like Not want to interview you back I know you want to turn it back on me now I do this as well Fuck

Davenport New York in between So after that's well For college I went to Emerson College in Boston I was there for four years Then I did a gig in North Carolina For a couple months

Moved back home Almost myself And then Real I was joking Okay okay Okay Whoa

And then moved to Chicago I was a lesbian in Chicago Yeah And then I moved to New York. I love that. Yeah. When you were at Emerson, I know you studied performance, but then you also got a minor in peace. Yes, peace and social justice.

Peace and social justice. I don't have a fucking Wikipedia and you found that out? Maybe you think we're playing around over here? I live. I live for that. We take this very seriously. Work. How did you decide on that?

And also, what does that look like? I've never heard of that. Yeah. Honestly, I was always pretty woke, but you have to remember, I'm from Iowa. Yes. So I think during the 2020 riots with Black Lives Matter, really. woke me up. I was like, okay, I could be doing something about this. And this is also when I started making content. And when I first started making content, it was just political. Like,

I was just weighing in on, like, things like people should care about and sharing mutual aid funds and all that kind of stuff. So I decided to just go in that direction. My peace and social justice minor really helps with, like, knowing what to do in terms of protest, advocacy, and research with, like, any kind of political thing. I guess like I got the minor because I never wanted to be in a position where I didn't know what to do and I could help other people figure out what to do as well yeah so that's basically what I wanted out of it yeah and it was too hard for me to do a double major so I just stuck with the minor yeah so the gig in North Carolina what was that we I was doing a hunchback of Notre Dame and wedding singer oh my god like summer stock or something like what was the yeah that's so fun it was so much fun and then we did hunchback of Notre Dame and then we did hunchback of Notre Dame and with an actual deaf actor and he had like a shadow that was singing the songs while he was signing.

Oh, wow. So kind. That's one of my favorite shows I've ever been in. That fucking rocks. Yeah. So did that and then went back home for a little bit. And then what was the plan to go home and just like hold yourself over

until you could go to New York? Yeah. Well, I thought I thought I was going to move to New York one year sooner than I did. Hmm. I thought I was going to move to New York one year sooner than I did. I just don't have enough money.

Like, it is impossible to move here unless you have X amount in your savings account. And, you know, I just didn't. I just didn't. I was like, what do you mean? I need to pay over $1,000 for one room every month. Yeah. And I just wasn't there. And the months keep coming.

And they keep, like, more than one month. Yeah. I was like, oh, God, no. It's the first of the month every week somehow. Right. Yeah. I literally went back home for maybe, this is maybe two months.

Yeah. Couldn't do it anymore. And I was like, I know I could afford Chicago, no shade. And I moved to Chicago. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You moved to Chicago after school too.

After college, yeah. Nice. Chicago was where Chance and I both moved after college to do improv and stuff. Where'd you live? I lived in Logan Square. Nice. I loved Logan Square. I was in Lake View.

Oh, gay. Gay. And a lot of the theaters are close to there. so it was like easy. Oh, sure. Like the improv theaters were over there and stuff. I always wish I was closer to Boys Town because every time I had a drag gig,

it was like a 30-minute drive. Exactly correct. Yeah, but Logan's way cooler. I loved Logan Square. I miss it all the time. I miss Chicago all the time. The Chicago queer scene is so fun. It's so, and it's just like,

I feel like they get it in a way that New York definitely has gotten. It's just like not as, um, the word coming to my mind is violent. I don't know there's like not as much contention with other queer people in Chicago it's just like we're rooting for each other more

I figure and I'm so happy I started actually performing in drag in Chicago wow yeah I felt so like liberated to do so it was crazy do you remember your first ever drag show yeah it was Rosco's they have an open stage night every Tuesday and that's when I did

I did warning by Fantasia for no reason. Let's go! I don't know why. Let's go. I always thought my first drag song would be Only Girl in the World by Rihanna. Yes, of course.

But then I was like, well, what if I didn't do that? For whatever the fuck reason was. And I don't know. It was probably the worst I've ever done in drag, but honestly, some of the most fun. So you just have to start. Yeah, I've had the pleasure

because of being in Chicago, watching so many drag queens. Yeah. Get good at it. Like your friend starts, and the wig is horrible, and the fit is bad, and the song is not like. But then they learn their makeup and their style, and I've gotten to watch so many queens figure out their thing.

Yes. It's like watching someone get good at stand-up. It's so beautiful. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's so fun. So you're in Chicago, and how long are you in Chicago? I was in Chicago just for a year.

Yeah, and then what took you to New York? I finally saved up enough money. This was when I was doing pretty well on social media, too. So I was like, I was making enough money to move to New York, and then I moved in with my best friend, Cedric. we went to school together we went to college together and I moved to Flatbush

of course as we all do as we all do what you and I are from very similar places like small town Iowa small town Missouri I moved to Chicago

you moved originally to Boston right what was like the oh go ahead baby when you came on my show one of the comments were like Midwest princes and I was like

oh not that and I literally like 30 seconds later I went to go see it again, and it was to lead him. I was like, work! Yes! Newcomit, Midwest Royalty!

I was like, I live, I live. Oh, that's so funny. It was everything. What was the biggest, like, how was that transition for you, moving from small town Iwa to Boston? There was a culture shock for sure. Right. And I was still straight at the time. I was still a straight man at the time. Thank you for your service.

No, thank you. I know you get it too. Yeah. It was just a lot. Like, I was, I was constantly, like, surrounded by queer people in a way that I have never in my life before. Like, I think there was some kind of pull at my school and more than 50% of, I don't know what the percentage is, but we were gay. Everybody was, yeah, I can. Everybody was gay.

Yeah. And I was like, this is crazy. I didn't even know this. And I just picked the school. You're like, this is so crazy because I'm straight. How did I end up here? I was like, no. this can't be right

but I guess if I have to then I think of home come on yeah so I was like this isn't gonna last long and I literally started hooking up with guys

maybe the next year like the beginning of sophomore year I was still in the closet I didn't come out until the pandemic of course yeah that was how it was supposed to be and then it was the pronoun pipeline from there I know the pronouns start coming

and they don't stop coming and they don't stop coming one thing about the pronouns Once they come, they don't stop coming I've seen it, I've seen it a million times Yeah, you've been in them I've seen the pronouns, I've been in there I've been up close for the pronoun journey

That's crazy That's crazy Okay, so then, okay, you move to New York What is the show you're in right now? Tell us about the show Oh, I'm in an off-Broadway production called Saturday Church Yeah

It's an adaptation from a movie from 2017 Yeah You're singing in this show Oh, we're singing down in the show Yeah I'm having the time of my life. It's awesome. Why should people come and see it?

What's the draw? What's the thing? And bear with me. Stay with me. Gay kid, gay black kids. Like, ooh, I sing pretty. Let me sing in the choir. The aunt's like, no, you're gay and you're in church.

You can't be gay in church. He's like, but I want to. And the mom's like too busy because the gay kid's dad just died. Oh my God. I'm bastardizing this real bad. The gay kid's dad. just died and the mom's like oh i'm going to cope with working all the time so then um the gay kid's like what i have no community so then he goes to a place called saturday church gay kids um

trans people um going with trans people on the second go round yeah yeah trans people um and they're like hey come you can be gay here yeah and then um um um He gets in a fight with his boyfriend. The aunt finds out he has a boyfriend. The pastor's like, don't be gay. He runs away. He comes back. And then there's a ball.

They need to. The social media for your show needs to clip just that minute. Gay kid doesn't want to church. Just can't be gay at church, but sings at the other place. Just clipping that down and putting it out is. Honestly, I think that's pretty good. That's good. I got all the, I didn't spoil, I guess I did.

No, you nailed it. I got all the good stuff. You nailed it. I think people should just come see it because it's like, it's actually really important for where we are politically right now in our country. I, um, I think it shows the queer black experience in a way that hasn't been done before. like these things are like the things he's going through are very real like they're not like absorbantly traumatic you know what I mean like there is like some things he goes through that are traumatic but at the end of the day it's like through his community and through like dealing with

grief and acceptance and love and all that stuff he figures out who he is and who he can be and his family supports him at the end of it it's a very it's a feel good which I really really like yeah happy ending happy ending yeah we don't get those very often Nope. Nope, nope, nope. It's nice to see them on stage and screen. It's rare. I want to ask you so many questions. You can ask me a question.

Do the people know you're in Devilware's product? Oh, yeah, this is. Okay, how's it going? It's great, I'm finished. Oh, my God, are you really? I rapped, yeah. Wow. How long was your shooting schedule?

I was maybe on it for, I think I was booked for 23 days, and I ended up working for like, I don't know, 16 or 17. Okay. Scheduling-wise, it worked out that way. Nice. Yeah, it was great. It was so much fun.

That's amazing. It's funny. By the time this comes out, I will have already done it, but I'm doing Seth Myers this week. Okay. And I'm sure they'll want to talk about that. And I'm like, I'm like wondering what I'll say because it was just so lovely. Like, it's like, there's really nothing that interesting in being like, oh, it was a dream come true. Everything I expected.

Everyone was the nicest I've ever worked with. Was there a rosebud thorn of it? I mean the whole thing was just genuinely lovely there really wasn't a downside it was like we were shooting on a soundstage so weather wasn't an issue we didn't like you know when you're on location you have your trailer on the fucking side of the road or whatever

we're in like a gorgeous soundstage studio building with like green rooms here right in New York? Yeah in New York and yeah it was just like a beautiful fun experience that's amazing good for you I'm so excited to see it I can't wait for it to come out I'm very excited and my yeah my character in it is great

and I hope I am in I hope that all the scenes I shot get into the final film that'd be great for me yeah yeah yeah yeah but you know they don't have to so exactly um yeah well just see but I loved it that's amazing it was so fun what how many movies is this now this year fourth total uh total I guess I this year I filmed three about to film a fourth wow total how many movies have I been in I used to be funny I used to be funny I used to be funny Dressa World. Is that it on movies? Sweetheart's the biggest one.

Yeah, Sweet arts, duh. So yeah, I guess like six or seven total. Okay, it works. It's going now. Good for you. It's going now. That's awesome.

There were many years where it was not going. Amen. He's just begging. You're trying to make the case all the time. And it's like, I mean, the particular thing for me is like when they wanted somebody fat, they wanted like an old gruff, like masculine construction worker guy. And then when they wanted somebody gay, they wanted like a, thin white twink.

Absolutely. And so it's just like I never feel, I never felt when I was starting out like anything made any sense for me ever. And so just like, I mean, we all have our versions of this, right? Of like trying to convince someone that I have a place in this. Absolutely. And then it starts going and you're like, ooh. They figured it out.

Yeah. They figured it out. I'm in that phase right now I feel like where I'm like so close. Like I can feel like I could break through at any moment. Yeah. And I'm going to. And you are going to. well somebody

somebody asked you recently where you want to be in five years and you said happy rich and a Tony winner right yeah yeah is that the goal still I think so I always had this this thought that I'd have an Egot by 30 so I'm making good for Macra

how old are you I'm 25 you got time five years to get those one a year and one for buffer I think that's pretty good yeah one year off right one year off in there right I can go to one a year and then one year off by Arta

and just chill out for a year after I get my Oscar Yeah, chilling out in PV, that's for sure. That's where I'm at. That's where all the Midwestern gay guys go to v Snowbird. All the older gay guys in Missouri are snowboarding in PV. I changed my mind. I want to go to Cherry Grove.

Yeah, there we go. Make it happen. I want to be free. What's like your dream, like, bucket list like travel destination that you haven't been? Oh my God, good question. I think I have a list. My phone's over there. That's on the top of my head, I know I want to go to Tokyo really bad.

I've been to Paris. I've been to London. I want to go to Oh, Venice. I want to figure out what's going on with those aqueducts. Yeah. Is that what it's called? Canals.

Canals, right? Are they canals? Yeah. I want to know why the buildings are in water. Yeah. And why are they, frankly? I don't. Amsterdam, same deal.

I feel like I just need to dip my toe in that water. Yeah. I think it's because they have used to transport stuff. sure they're so old but like what's the foundation of the buildings under the buildings right yeah that scares me to think about yeah well you see all those like buildings all those houses that were built on stilts on the beach in north carolina now yes are like getting taken out to see yeah that's kind of interesting that's what it feels like to me like that feels like the next step yeah is that they just go out there venetians weigh in venetians let us know what your

buildings are they called venetians people from venice yeah right venetian and i've i've got it here. Firstly, the city's lagoons provided a natural defensive barrier against invaders. Lagoon. Like the Middle Ages. Yeah, but what are the buildings on, Chance?

What are they on? They're on, it's on a lagoon, and they're through canals, and they're on stilts. They're on stilts. Are you kidding me? Wow. That's crazy. I don't understand architecture one bit. It just feels like that's a lot of faith in a couple of sticks. Especially

old-timey, like back then. Can you imagine when they built like the San Francisco, like the Golden Gate Bridge? Oh my God. How trusting you had to be. I'm terrified of bridges. For sure. Do you have any phobias? Yeah, but they're all politically incorrect.

Trance! Yeah, there's that and then. If heights can get to me. Okay. Heights can get to me, not always. But I can get scared of a height. Is it that you're scared you're going to fall? Like you're, what is it about the height?

I like to have control. Sure. Sure. In general. I'm with you on that. And I don't have control when I'm up high. Right. Because the height has the control.

Well, you obviously had control in that moment because you're still here. Yeah, I mean, that's a nice way to look at it. It just doesn't feel that way. I feel powerless when I'm high. You know? Yeah. When I'm up there? Yeah.

Well, but anyway, what are your phobias? You have any? Snakes. Wow. Tripopphobia, like the little clusters of small holes. I have some friends with that, yeah. Oh, yeah. I don't like thinking about that.

And I just said it. Snakes, chryphobia. Bridges. Bridges, of course. Yeah, I'm scared of bridges. My mom has a, maybe she got over it. She had a few of bridges at one point. I haven't checked in recently.

I don't want to speak ill of her if she's cool with bridges now. Right. She's allowed to grow. Can you go over bridges? Like what is your- Yeah, absolutely. I have to. I mean, I grew up off the Arsenal Bridge in Davenport.

So I had to. But it's just like sometimes. maybe it's because I'm catastrophizing maybe 80% of the time. It's just like there's no way you can save yourself if a bridge were to collapse and you're on it. Yeah, you know, it's over. Like those kind of things where you can't find a way out kind of stresses me out a lot. It's big over.

If you're in the middle of a bridge and it goes down, that's the end for you. Like, you can't jump to the other side. There's nothing. Yeah. Yeah, and also things are clanging around. It's like too scary. my god but it would never yeah it's not no it's not going to happen it's not our truth yeah not our story yeah okay now i know what you have phobias of right and if you look under your chair

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I'm going to ask you this question. Okay. And I want you to be so honest with me. If you, for the rest of your life, could only hear two albums. And I mean, I don't mean, I'm talking like when you're in the grocery store, when you're in an Uber, when you're watching a movie. The only music you hear for the rest of your life has to come from two albums. Cannot be a greatest hits album.

What two albums are you picking? What do you mean by greatest hits? It can't be a greatest hits album. It can't be like one of the... You can't do like a compilation. Gotcha, gotcha. It has to be two albums that are like technical albums. Mine usually, just to get you started, I'll usually say,

Miseducation of Lauren Hill. Oh, Tate. And fly by the chicks. Oh, work. Two incredible albums. Oh my God. Okay. I think I'm going to have to go.

I think I'm going to have to go, and I'm thinking, like, the rest of my life. I'm going to say brand new eyes, Paramore. Wow. And I'm torn between B-Day and Cowboy Carter. Wait, rest of my life. B-Day, Cowboy. I'm going to say Cowboy-Carter. Really?

I was going to go B-Day. I love, B-Day is my favorite album, but I think, like, where I'm at as a 25-year-old, like, Cowboy Carter really made a lot of sense to me. Like, I felt connected to that story. Yeah. So I'm thinking about for the rest of my life, I think it's only going to age,

I think Cowboy Carter's going to age much better than B-Day did. Yeah. In 50 years. You know what I mean? Tell me about Paramore. What's your connection to Paramore? Well, first of all, every black person you know likes Paramore. I know that.

Whether they know it or not. Yeah. Um, my sister was the one who got me into it, really, because she used to listen to it a lot growing up. Um, and my sisters and I were 10 years apart. I have a half sister who's, I think, five years older than me. And I have a younger brother who's three years younger than me. Mm. But my middle sister, she's 10 years older.

She left the house when I was like, what, nine for college or something like that. Mm-hmm. But she left all of her, like her CDs and stuff. So I was listening to like Wicked Paramour. I was reading the Twilight books, like all of these things at the fresh age of nine. Yeah. So I remember listening to the Paramore stuff and I was like, this is loud. First of all.

Whatever the fuck this is, whatever. And I put it down for literally 10 years. And as soon as I got to college, I was like, I know this band. And I know they're good. And I know ain't it fun and still into you. But what else do they got? Yeah. Blew my mind.

Everything. Absolutely blew my mind. So, yes. So black people love. love paramour. Black people love Paramour. This is a constant in my life. Yeah.

All my black friends love Paramore. Yeah. And I love Paramore. Mm-hmm. Do you, what is, what is that, is it because Haley Williams, like, came up in the church as an incredible vocalist? Or, like, what is the connection? Well, I've, I've been theorizing what this might mean.

I think it's kind of why black people love anime, too. It's like, there's a certain level of... I'm so gassy. It's the Red Bull. It's the Red Bull. There's a certain level. level of like catharsis in the music I guess it feels good to have that kind of like a mixture of the BPM the vocals the message all that comes together and it makes like a really powerful message at least for me yeah because I'm not I'm not every black person you know okay yeah I hadn't thought about that yeah that makes sense um and I say it's the same as anime because when I watch like especially like a show name like action anime it's kind of the same thing it's like the message the tone and the animation, the characters all come together

for something that's cathartic in a way. I think that might be why. I don't know. You kind of just really made me want to watch anime because I'm not an anime person. Are you not? I've never really watched anime. Have you ever watched an anime?

Can you like think of one that you might have... What's a really popular anime? My favorite one's Naratone. It's probably the most popular. Never seen it. Okay. That's crazy. You've seen Dragon Ball Z a little, right?

Oh, sure. That's anime? Yeah. And Pokemon, maybe? Oh, yeah. Okay. I've seen these when I was... a kid.

Yeah. But those aren't, but I feel like when I think of anime, what are, like, I feel like that's not what I think of as anime. Why do I think that? I'm just wrong.

I think maybe because it was, I guess it was given to like Western kids as like a children show. Yeah, I thought maybe there was like more, I thought there was maybe like deeper anime that people were into as adults. When people say they're into anime, are they watching Dragon Ball Z? Is that what they mean?

They can. Yeah. Okay, cool. It's like, like, like some of my favorite anime are number six, Naruto, full metal alchemist brotherhood

I would say given, raced, death parade, like all of these are like, they have really adult themes in most of these anime. Is Sailor Moon anime? It is. I know about Sailor Moon because so many queer people dress as that. Yeah, she's pretty iconic too.

And I think there's a gay girl in the show. There's a gay girl. Altay, old, ultib, some, uh, we're gonna dub that over in the edit. you just saying it perfectly with this look? It's not AI. It's just good editing. It's a dub. Anime, okay, maybe I need to tap into anime.

I think you should. Yeah. I think you should. I mean, if you ever, I have a Google Doc of anime recommendations. Legitimately, please send my way. We'll do. What are your favorite musicals of all time? Good question. Oh! Oh, Caleb! I knew you'd be excited about it. I feel like Jill Scott and why did that get married and she goes, oh! God, that movie is horrible for her.

Yeah, it's been, I would hate to be mean to hell like that. My favorite musicals, next to normal, the color purple, safe. Yeah. I like this musical called Title of Show. There's a pretty racially questionable moment in it, but I think we can get past that. Okay. Seems like it's probably not up to me to decide, so I'll take your word for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's just a matter of perspective. Yeah, okay. Sure. Yeah. I really like falsettos. And then, like, you know, like the easy ones, like, wicked, rent, Chicago. Is falsetto's the name of a show? Yeah.

Okay. I didn't know if you meant, like, the concept of falsettos or if there's a show called falsettos. No, it's a show called falsettos. I didn't know that. I'm so sorry. I love to learn. I'm impressed. I would see falsettos.

Do you want to go see falsettos? Is it on right now? No, it's not. I was like, yes, I'll go with you. Do you? Do you what? Are you a musical person? Do you have favorite musicals?

No. Okay. What's ones do I like? Okay. Chance, you know what ones I like? Legally blonde? I guess I liked that. I don't like when people,

when the emotion gets really big and all they can do is sing. That kind of bothers me. So should I fucking get myself? I like seeing my friends. I want you to know that's my job. I like seeing my friends. my friends in anything.

When it comes to your show, I went to all chances. Yeah, I don't really like when people make jokes on a microphone. Yeah. Is that anything? That was tough to hear. That was really tough to hear.

That was really tough to hear. Well, what do you think? Okay. It's all right. It's okay. Caleb came to see me in runaways. Okay. I did.

I saw all chances of shows in college, and they were, you know. Did you like it? I love supporting my friends. Oh, God. It means the world to me to support my friends. Caleb. musicals are just hard because also

the theater is hard in general for me. I love the theater. I have so much respect for the theater. They need to do something about the chairs. Oh, absolutely. Sorry. I'm with you 100% on that. I'm tall, I'm fat and I can't be living like this. It feels like it's akin to like being in a plane. Like it's the worst feeling ever. Yeah, and it's a night out.

Yeah. When you go to on a plane you're like I have to do this to get somewhere. Yeah. Going to the theater and being uncomfortable for two and a half hours is like, this was the activity. If I don't get an aisle seat, I literally cannot sit in the chair. It would be like if your friend was like, I'm a flight attendant, would you come sit middle row economy for a couple hours and watch me do my thing? It's like, well, yeah, if you really want me to, but I'm going to have a bad time.

I don't know if I would. It's hard. I don't know what I would. I don't know if I would. It's hard, dude. I've been in an era of saying no and I love it. Yeah. I love saying no.

You're in your no era? I love it. Your no row? I love it. Whoa. Well, my thing is like, if I genuinely know I can do goodbye you or for you, I will do it. Yeah. But if it's like I have to extend myself in a way that I don't.

don't want to in this moment. I'm going to say no. Yeah. I'm going to say no. No's powerful. Love it. I've been on No for years. Good for you. I've been living in no for a long time. It's crazy because it feels like like mid-20s right now. It's like how have I not been doing this my entire life? You're so young. I don't feel that. But yeah. I don't feel that at all. I feel that I've been here many, many years. But you know, being queer, it's like once you turn 26, you're kind of dead. I'm 30. Damn. Yeah. You're saying that to a 30-year-old. And isn't your birthday in January? Yeah, so it'll be 31. So you think I've been dead for four years. What kind of flowers would he might want? Toulips.

Tulips. You know what? I have good news for you. What? It only gets better. Okay, I'm excited. When you get to my age, you're going to see things all kinds of different ways. And the crazy thing about healing, the crazy thing about getting, not getting rid of, but coping with trauma is like, now I feel like I will be 31 day, you know, which is good. I love that feeling. This was a big part of my problem as well. I never saw myself. I was, when I, before, all my whole life up to, like, 17,

I was like, I don't see myself being 18. Yep. I think I'm going to die. And then when I turned 18, genuinely, every year after that, I've been like, oh, this is a miracle. Color me gagged when I found out that was just a trauma response.

Yeah. I was like, whoa! Not me being alive still. It's serious like that? Like, come on, I was just having a little fun. Yeah, no. Yeah, I should be therapists. But yes, I'm so.

glad that you're here. Thank you. I'm glad that you're here too. Just so you know. Are you in therapy? I, kind, not anymore. Yeah. I got to a point where I didn't, this sounds bad, but I didn't need it anymore. It doesn't sound bad. Do you fix certain problems? Yeah. Right. I might go in soon for like maintenance just to get like better coping skills with like certain work things. But no, I was in therapy like five months. No. What is it? October. Yeah, five months ago I stopped going. Yeah. And how's it been? Pretty good. I'm actually really proud of myself when it comes to that. I've, like, been able to, I guess, like, self-naviate or maybe self-therapize, like problems that have been coming up. And I'm really proud of myself for that. What do you, is that you, do you think that's the biggest thing you've gotten out of therapy so far?

Yeah. When I first started doing therapy, I think maybe two or three years ago, every session I would be crying. And I was like, okay, maybe it was good that I was here. Fuck. Yeah. I was like, okay, my bad. I didn't even know that it was like that. And this year it's been about like a lot of the problems I'm having now is just like work-related and like self-care. And she wasn't telling me this sounds bad too,

but she wasn't saying anything that I didn't know. Yeah. It was just a matter of, I guess I needed someone else to tell me to do the things that I know how to do, I guess. Yeah. It was like, leave out time for yourself. Cook your own meals. Stop going to Wendy's.

Right. Maybe figure out a way to go to sleep Without jerking off Yeah So why? I know I haven't got past that one That one seems harmless

I'll let you know when I do I'll text you Yeah You text me at like 6 a.m. one morning I did it Good news king I just slept without jerking off I fucking did it

I fucking did it That one seems harmless It is harmless I think it is Yeah But who knows Yeah I've been thinking about

Getting back to therapy But mostly because I really relate to the thing about like a therapist has never told me something I don't know frankly like that's just reality that every time I've been in therapy they've said things that I'm like duh like I'm sorry just duh I know that

I feel like a lot of it is just like you need someone to say you need to do it you need the take an action item I think I want someone to be there keeping track like I would like to be with someone who's like remember three months ago when you were working on that thing and now it's better because I will have that realization myself sometimes way too late that I'm like you've gotten way

better at this thing yeah I would like to maybe I'm thinking about going back to therapy now because I'm like that would be nice to just have someone who's like hey how's that thing going how that has that thing you were working on are you the same way with like creatively with when it comes to your comedy and like work and stuff like that how do you mean like do you need like partners and stuff to keep you motivated no I'm very self-motivated and I would actually like to incorporate more collaboration into my creative life I see what you're saying yeah I do pretty much everything on my own creatively okay cool like in terms of like ideating now making

things like there's a whole team to make everything I obviously can't engineer the show Nicole does that I need chances help Michelle's help I have a lot of help in my life but when it comes to like writing jokes finishing the script getting the thing like the creative stuff that needs to come from my brain

I would like to work in more ways to like extract that stuff with other people I think that'd be fun do you have any advice for me to start stand-up are you thinking about starting stand-up I want to oh my god the next natural thing I need to do that makes me so happy

I love that. Well, my advice is just start doing it. Okay. And open mics were never any good for me. Personally, I didn't have fun at them. They were deeply misogynistic, which made me ill, and homophobic, which made me mad. And even when they weren't, I just didn't feel like it was useful information. Sure.

Six comics barely paying attention to you, laughing at your material, tells you nothing about a joke. A lot of comics I deeply love and respect disagree with that. My personal opinion is that it's just not good feedback. Okay. So here's the advice I would give you, or anyone. who's thinking about starting stand-up is there's always room for more of us. Please do it. I don't subscribe to the idea that we need fewer stand-ups.

We need more people who give a shit about it and actually want to be good at it. So if that's you, come on out. And then what I would say is like get booked on some friends shows and things like low-stakes shows to build some material. And then after you have a good little base of material, if you want to test new stuff, ask to jump on someone's show or do a booked show like in New York. It's like Union Hall, Littlefield, Bell House. These are those places.

and the way I test new material without doing open mics is well now I could put up a new material show if I wanted to like I'm lucky to have an audience like that but when I didn't I would do like a 70-30 or a 60-40 where I would do like I would open with a really strong joke that I've done before that I know works and then I would try some new stuff and then I would middle with a strong existing joke

try some new stuff and then close with a strong existing joke so it's like I'm not robbing the audience of a good set I know that I'll open middle and close on something that's tested and works, but I'm also not robbing myself of the chance to get a genuine audience reaction to what I'm working on. Okay, wow. That's one piece of advice I can give you.

Well, thank you. I appreciate it. I would love to see you do stand up. I would love to see it too. And the thing is, all of my jokes are already posted online. You know what I mean? Like, I'm already a comedian. I just need to take literally what I post on TikTok

and make a story out of it. So I'm excited. Absolutely. This is something that I'm thinking about doing maybe next year. I'm pretty booked until the end of it. of this year. I love it. I think also something to consider is,

like there are a lot of people who put, like, John Marco, Tracy is somebody who's such a great stand-up, such a great writer. He's just on the show, too. I love him. And he tests a lot of stuff online and then takes it to the stage. Oh, yeah. That's one way to do it.

And then another way that I like to do it is, if I have something that's really juicy and really good that I think is going to be amazing, like, if I think it's like stand-up that I'm going to love, I won't say it anywhere else. Oh, wow. Save it for the stage. And that sometimes is really fun too

To be like Oh, if I have this story that I love That I think is so juicy and like So it stays fresh And then I just don't know There's been many a comedian in New York That I've seen online And I'm like I know

Every single one of your punchlines already Yeah, gotcha I think saving some stuff for the stage Is so such a gift to the audience Having some mystique Some mystique I'm excited for your stand-up era Thank you

Do you have like stand-up Inspirations? Yes, I'm so glad you asked Obviously, Bob, I love Bob the drag queen. She's, like, one of my biggest inspirations. Bob is so fucking funny and smart. It's insane. It's smart.

Yeah. Like, so smart. Yeah. Do you know who Ali Sadik is? I don't. He's really funny. He's, um, I remember watching one of his specials, and I think I was, um, just listening to it.

And the way he can navigate through a story, and his timing is perfect. I love Ali Sadieke. Um, it used to be, used to be Kevin Hart. too but I'm what changed I don't know it became too a flouncy I guess yeah I'm not gonna go in that direction is what I'm essentially saying I will say on that front and this is no personally no knock on Kevin I really respect his craft me too but there is I do think he um it seems that he suffered a little bit from what a lot of stand-up suffer from which is that stand-up is the people's art form stand-up is a relatability art form yes getting up in front of a room

of people and talking about life in a way that makes sense to you and to them. I think after his, whatever his third Netflix thing was... Because guess what happened? Yeah. He got rich. Yeah. And so you get rich. And then if you're lucky, you don't lose touch, but very few people have been lucky.

And I think he suffers a little bit now from being like, all of his stories are like, me and LeBron James, we're on the PJ. And it's like, I'm bored. I do like him with Dwayne the Rock Johnson. I think they're hilarious together. Well, they're just so... They're so... It's like right there.

It's written there. Oh, and Monique as well. Monique is one of mine. You know, she's one of mine. I love Monique Queens of Comedy set. Monique Queens of Comedy set. Yeah, she is everything to me. You skinny bitches are evil and you need to be destroyed.

You need to be destroyed. Her, the Monique Queens of Comedy set, her coming out and say, she, I don't, I've talked about this a million times on this show at this point. The two of the most iconic sets of all time to me are Monique Queens of Comedy and Bernie Mac when he's doing, not scared of y'all. I'd never got into him like deeply. I love this show though. unbelievable, especially that set.

I'm not scared of y'all kick it, that set. But Monique, when she starts that set by coming out and going, every fat bitch in this room should be standing up and applauding me right now. That's mother. And I was like, that's mother. That's what Indian he said. And I did. I got up and applauded.

That's mother. I had just, like, the first time I saw that in high school, I had never seen a fat person take up a room like that. Yeah. And I was like, she's not apologizing, she's so in charge. I feel like if people scroll down my

channels, they will see the inspirations of Monique and Ali and a little bit of and Bob of just seeing how I navigate and like every word is funny. I'm like picking each word specifically for the joke. That's what I really appreciate

about their kind of comedy too. Yeah. Smart. Yeah, she's so smart and fearless and yeah I love her queens of comedy says the biggest thing for me but then obviously the Parkers Meet the Parkers I don't know if I've seen it really oh my god Is there what joke

What's the most I don't know if I've seen it It's not really it's a sitcom so it's just like her Oh I didn't yeah I don't know anything about this And also was it Meet the Parkers or just the Parkers That's what I thought The Parkers is Monique sitcom from like late 90s early 2000s Who else was in it? Who else was in it

Yeah it was the show was called just The Parkers, and it was on, yeah, 1999 to 2004 on UPN. It was a spin-off to Moisha, who stars Monique, Countess Vaughan, Mari Morrow, I have heard of this. Dorian Wilson, Jenna von Oye, Camel, and Yvette Wilson. You have to watch it for a million reasons, but not the least of which is. Monique plays a horny, yes. Monique plays a horny legend.

Monique plays a horny legend. Oh, I live. She's so horny in that show. Is she not just a horny legend? Well, she is, but I'm saying, like, in the show, in such a specific, she's, like, going after this professor the whole time. I love that. It's unbelievable.

I, and I think maybe because I do gait art, like, a lot of people think I'm just, like, a lexicon of references. Yeah. If it is before 2010, I promise you, I don't know it. Yeah. I promise you. Well, do you know, I knew, I randomly will know a bunch of stuff about the, I don't know if you guys ever got into this, but the, I love the 90s.

I love the O-O's. I love the... Do you know that show? See, there's something missing in our culture now. Was it VH1 or MTV? It was VH1. VH1 had this series called I Love the series and it was a panel show

for comedians and writers and musicians to come on and do like talking head interviews about like, I Love the 2000s would be like everything important that happened culturally in the 2000s. And it was like how I learned pop culture history. Okay.

And I don't know if it's streaming somewhere but honestly like worth a watch. That actually sounds like something I need. It's funny. My sisters are constantly trying to catch me up on like pop culture references from the 90s and the 2000s. But I just, there's so much where I can't, like, there's no way I can be like at the front of now and trying to learn at the same time. I don't know. I'm not really at the front of now.

I'm behind on so many things now. I don't know what the hell's going on. Good. Movies I'm pretty up on, but TV shows, I haven't seen like any TV show. Yeah. So I'm always behind on that. the parker's iconic though they go to college together they have a little apartment it's mother daughter it's cute love an adult sitcom yeah really fun what is your favorite like what's your favorite

tv show of all time my instinct is to say narato but um just because it's what i grew up on yeah i think if i had to pick like a a western live action live action um i don't know yeah that's a good one i will say what i liked recently in the past year or so i loved the last of us i thought they did that really, really well. Yeah. I loved. I recently watched, what's it called? Scavenger's Rain.

I liked it. I couldn't finish it, though, because it was too heby-jee-ge-by. Yeah. Like scary? It was just like, not scary. There's like creatures and morphine and body horror and gore and that kind of stuff, and I'm not a huge fan of that kind of stuff. But it was a great story.

What else have I liked? Oh, interview with the vampire. Okay. Got it. Interview with the vampire is probably one of my favorite TV shows ever. Hell yeah. Yeah. I love that.

Have you seen it? No. Gay vampires start in Louisiana. I need to walk in. Hello. That's all you need. Hello. That's all you need.

That is all I need. I really need you to see that movie show actually. I will. What is so true to you? So true to me. Yeah. Is this the thing you guys tell me to come? Okay.

Um, I've been thinking about this. Thank you. You're one of the only. I knew this is the thing. I go on podcast and I'm like, oh, they're going to ask me something for their show. Yeah. And I'm always under research. Yeah.

So I was thinking about it. And not to be on some alpha, beta, omega dynamics shit, but to also be on some alpha beta omega shit. Yeah. I think men should get pregnant. Thank you. this has come up recently yeah and um i i can't speak to the logistics yeah i can't speak to the anatomy or the physiology of such yeah i just think we would be in a completely different position globally if men got pregnant and it's not even like they need to be inseminated

maybe it's every time they inseminate they get pregnant like if there's some kind of the egg travels into them let's wake that up boom where is science boom because what are we doing with science if the egg can't go up the dick I'm thinking I'm thinking like okay first of all crazy wild that's insane um whoa I'm thinking like anything from financially to racially to sexually romantically things would change yeah like and I don't know if it's better what's so true to me what's so true to me. I don't know if it's better if both sexes can get pregnant.

So it's All-Skate? Yeah. Or if it's like in 20 years, or no, in two years, everybody on the other side of the spectrum can get pregnant. I don't know what's better. Yeah. But that's what's true to me. I think men should get pregnant. I like that.

I really like that. And I would support it and love it. And I wish I could get a man pregnant. I've said this on the show. I think it would be really cool. What? It's just a lot, Caleb. You think that's crazy of me?

I don't think it's crazy. I just, maybe what's happening is I'm reconciling my head cannon of you from a bottom to a top. Whoa. You thought I was a bottom this whole time. No, I didn't think you were just the bottom. Yeah. I thought you might have had a preference I never thought you were just the bottom

I always thought you were so much more than that right we teach bottoms and James Factorah they're a writer at them came on my show and was like we teach bottoms to be small to shrink themselves I was like that is the funniest thing I've ever heard in my life I'm not at top or a bottom

or verse I'm a dedicated team player who thrives in a fast-paced environment and you'd be great at Starbucks you'd be great at Starbugs I just love to see the team win, you know? Are you a cuck? I want to see everyone, I want to see everyone getting what they need.

I want everyone to come. I live for that. I want everyone to have a good time. Everybody should come. Everybody should come. You included? Me, oh, definitely. If I don't come, it didn't happen.

It sounded just so altruistic. I wasn't expecting that. Oh, no, I'm coming. Yeah. No, I need to come. I'm going to get mine, sweetie. But everyone gets to come. Yeah.

I'm not the only one. You're a social comer. You may say that I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. I want you to stop acting like you can't. And I'm coming. Do not come. Do not come. Do not come.

I love that. Good for you. Thank you. Yeah, I'm proud of you. Thank you. What's your usual so true take? Oh, I haven't done one in a while. What's so true to me right now?

Um. I mean, I say some version of this all the time, but we really, we have to throw the smartphones in the oceans. Sure. It has to end. I think about often about, like, how, I miss letters. I miss letters. I miss writing letters. Really cool.

One of my friends and I used to be pen pals, like, we would send each other letters instead of, like, texting all the time. Yeah. But then they moved here. Fuck. Like, what the fuck. I have a friend in New York who sends me letters. That's awesome. I guess I could.

It's just like, no. Now, there's not really an excuse. Yeah. I just, yeah, I need us to figure something else out. I'm not having fun. Yeah. I don't want people to continue hitting me up. What's so true to me is don't hit me up.

Like, unless you have something really fun to bring to me, stop asking me for stuff. Everybody wants something. That's true. I wonder, maybe we'll talk about this off the camera too. But it feels like I'm in this exact same experience where it feels like a lot of people need a lot of things from me all of a sudden. Yeah. I hate it. And I think they have, it's the constant access to me that is allowing them to do such, which I hate.

Yeah, there's something, yeah, I'm trying really hard to give off a don't contact me vibe that's not, there's something about my jolly fat Midwestern presence that's negating the vibe I'm giving. Sure. And so I'm actually, I think I'm giving off, can hit me up? Right, because it's, I mean, like, do you ever feel like you can't be fat and mean? For sure. Okay. Constantly. Yeah.

Yeah. But I'm doing it anyway. I was literally getting ready to say So you're being both So you're being both And we're right back to bisexual And we're right back to buy All roads lead to buy

And I've always said that All roads lead to buy What's your sexuality these days? I'm a non-binary bisexual trans woman That's what I thought Yeah that's a lot Insert applause

A lot of people You know a lot of people Just had an aneurism Yeah yeah yeah yeah They were like All my Republican fans Their brain took a screenshot The number's not zero

Chance I would like to do a segment please let's go thank you babe and I am I have a segment for you true or false I'm gonna read you 15 statements you're gonna tell me as quickly as you can

if you think that what I just said is true or false if you get 10 or more correct you know we're gonna give you 50 US dollars okay the segment has kind of randomly become like everyone's favorite part of the show it is kind of iconic it's the iconic so true it's such a good we'll talk marketing later

but it's just such a good way to post like to promote your show we'll talk marketing later okay you ready yeah but if i do get less than 10 i'm calling you transphobic of course all right and you would be right um cheese existed before written language uh true true smoking one cigarette can reduce your life expectancy by about 20 days false false it's 20 minutes snakes sleep with their eyes open false true a group of wild cats is called a destruction true true iowa state university's mascot is the hawkeyes false false it's cyclones and yeah that was a chance you tried to do a trick but a real Iowa person knows there's no word in the English language that rhymes with month

false true Emerson College's school paper is the Berkeley beacon oh true true Cynthia Arriva was born in Scotland true false England Razor scooters came out in 1989 true false 2000 William Henry Harrison was only president for a month true true only 2% of earth population naturally has green eyes.

False. True. Davenport, Iowa, is the largest of the Quad Cities. True. True. Facebook is older than LinkedIn. I actually don't know. True?

False. Okay. Heinz ketchup. Okay. Immediately. Okay. Sure. Heinz ketchup was originally a glue company.

False? False. The Pope can't be an organ donor. False? True? It's true. What the fuck? How'd they do?

Nine. Oh. You transphobic piece of shit. I know. That's okay. I didn't get all the Iowa ones right. Thank you for that. Oh, that one was, oh, maybe it'll go slow that down, make me look cool.

Nine was a beautiful run. That's okay. And the Pope thing, what is that? Is that true? Is it because his organs are so much better than mine? They're holy from God. It's because the church owns his body. Yeah.

Yeah. Wake up. Wake up, people. Literally, wake up. Hello, that doesn't sound crazy. Say that one more time. The Catholic Church owns the Pope's body. Hello.

Is that not fucking crazy? These people are psychotic. If you take any piece of religion and just like sit with it for a moment, they're all fucking bananas. I knew I wasn't going to be Christian, like at least religious in that sense, very long as soon as I started asking questions.

Yeah. Because the reaction from adults, when you start asking questions, no, I was like something's up. The whole thing's crying. Something's up. They're like, don't poke holes. I've decided on this.

Yeah, it's nuts. Why? Why? Because it is. Uh-uh. No man. Ananaia. Yes.

Such a treat to have you. I am so honored to be here. Thank you. We love you so deeply. Tell the people where they can find you, what they should be watching. You can find me at Ananaya Zero, A-N-A-N-I-A-Zo, and watch my show Gaydar. And come see you. And come see Saturday Church.

By the time this comes out, we might be closed. When do you close? fourth. Nope, there's some time. Oh, work. Come see Saturday Church at the New York Theater Workshop. Come see Saturday Church. And watch Gaydar and follow Ann and I. Thank you so much for doing it, babe. Thank you. Yay. Bye, Queers. That was a hate gum podcast.