So True with Caleb Hearon - Annie DiRusso Loves an Echo Chamber

Episode Date: October 10, 2024

Hey there, stranger! Come on in! This week’s guest is the supremely talented Annie DiRusso! Annie and Caleb talk about going on tour together, the life of an indie musician, their student council days, the return of earnestness, the biggest mistakes you can make on a date, and much more! Subscribe to our YouTube channel for full video episodes! Join our Patreon for an exclusive extended interview with Annie and other bonus content! Follow Annie! @anniedirusso  Follow the show! @sooootruepod Follow Caleb! @calebsaysthings Produced by Chance Nichols @chanceisloud  Recorded at Headgum Studios in New York CitySee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is a HeadGum Podcast. That's so profound. I didn't want to be just, there wasn't like one person that I was like, oh man, I wish I was that guy. Yeah. It was like, no, I want every experience on earth. I can't believe that I only get to be this one guy. Yeah. And I get to do different versions of this guy, you know.

It's the fig tree. Hmm. I wish you would have said more. I'm trying to... I feel like everyone's been saying to me, this is so major, that's so major. That's major. Like, I hadn't really heard that much of that, and then this weekend I was overwhelmed by it.

Should we do our inconsolable cover for the episode? Yeah, absolutely. But I've seen baby lizards even though no one taught them how it's a little low for me i don't know why i'm taking it low i don't like being down there i don't sound good down there i don't like being down there annie deruso what the hell annie heron caleb deruso well caleb and hell any heron Caleb drew so well Caleb and Annie Heron de Russo yeah yes the Heron de Russo family would you ever marry me at all I would marry you so so so so so quickly as soon as you're ready on there

stop I've said this many times well I would marry you i know that okay and i'm ready for when we get married we've talked about this a lot recently actually yeah well i've been asking you to have kids with me yeah well actually we have said that like maybe we have kids together yeah and then like we sleep with other people yeah we'll sleep with other people we have kids together but we sleep with other people yeah i mean and then, but we sleep with other people. Yeah, I mean. And then we raise these wonderful kids. Our kids would be so beautiful, wonderful, lovely, warm, smart, talented. I'm just, you know, I'm just looking at the facts. No, they would be kind of like out of this world.

Baby icons. Yeah. Icon babies. Yeah, what I will say, though, is, and I don't want to like get negative this early in the episode. Yeah, okay. Whoa. Whoa. Okay. Whoa. Whoa. Okay.

I've listened to a few episodes of this podcast, and I've heard you kind of throw the marriage thing out to a few other people. Well, I have a lot of love in my life. Yeah, but it feels like you probably just marry one of us, right? Well, no. Not necessarily. It depends on what state we live in and how the laws evolve. I think, you know, the thing about just the long arc of justice is that time bends towards it. And you've always said that.

I've always said that. And I've always – and I've been the first one to say that. And I think, you know, if New York and Missouri got really cool about polygamy, I think it's something I would like to do the right way because we haven't seen someone do it the right way. And you would do it the right way. Polygamy? Yes. Yes. Absolutely.

Polygamy could be so powerful if we would just allow it to be chill. And you never said that. Because everyone tries to do polygamy in like a controlling weirdo freak way. Yeah. Where it's just like, oh, one man with 17 fives, you know, 17 like middling looking wives. 17 fives? 17 like women who are fives, you know, 17 like middling looking wives, 17, 17, like women who are fives, you know? Okay.

So what's your, what are you thinking? Well, I would do sevens. 17 sevens sorry sorry that's stupid it's early for me in the day it's early for me too no but why oh you oh you wanted you didn't want to go negative but you've noticed that i want to marry a lot of people i have a lot of love in my life and you do too you have a lot of love in your life i do but i don't talk about marrying everyone well right you're a little younger than i am how old are you 25 just turned 25 beautiful beautiful you're almost a person yeah my frontal lobe is almost or maybe it is it's done it's probably still cooking a little bit i'd say the end of this year i would say it cooks till 26 and then i'd say 27 28 you're due for a pretty major crisis of some of the spirit

likely and then i think the the perfect age to be is whatever age i am at any given year so like right now the perfect age you can be like the best age to be is 29 but then in like 100 days the best age will be 30 to me like you're gonna be perfect at 30 oh i've been waiting for my 30s since the day i was born i know like you're already to me like you're going to be perfect at 30. Oh, I've been waiting for my 30s since the day I was born. I know. Like, you're already, to me, like, you're there. Do you think, what do you, how do you feel about, how do you feel about aging? Historically, I felt pretty bad about it.

So, historically, it's not, like, my thing. Why? Like, even when I was a teenager, I was, like, a little freak. Like, I was, like, hated to age at all and always mourned my childhood. Yeah. Then when I turned 20, which I thought was going to be devastating for me, I felt pretty much like, oh yeah, I'm 20. Yeah.

25, I'm grappling with. That feels like a big age. But I'm excited to be 27 one day. Yeah. Why is that? It feels good. Feels good. The number feels good to me. 27 feels 27 one day. Yeah. Why is that? It feels good. Feels good. That number feels good to me.

27 feels good to you. Yeah. 25 is a little scary. Do you actually, in all sincerity, if you're aging? Because it just doesn't seem like you're such a cool, carefree, like you're a fucking like you're an indie rock star. You're a cool girl. You make.

I just think I do think you're. I really do think of you i admire so many things about you you're so talented and i love your music and you know that but i do also think that you're a true individual like you think you're an actual unique free spirit i think you i think you i think you make music and write lyrics and play guitar and wear clothes and do things in your own way actually. So I find it – I think I find fear of aging kind of incongruent with what I think about you. I feel like I should say I'm not scared to age. But I'm asking genuinely because if you do, I think it's interesting.

So I'm not really scared to age. I think something that's interesting with doing music is that it's hard to picture what aging looks like i don't know if you have the same thing with like doing comedy and acting and stuff um like it's hard to picture like what my 40s are gonna look like and what i really want for that yeah um so i think in that way and sometimes i fear it like i fear the unknown but i will say i have become a lot less scared of aging since I turned 20 yeah and I am really excited to be in my 30s and 40s I do think this is like superficial but I do think I'm going to be my most beautiful in my 30s and 40s oh yeah I feel like a lot of women kind of hit a stride in their 30s and 40s that I'm really excited for. And also maybe my most wise.

So I'm excited for aging in that sense. But I do get scared of it in terms of like what my life will look like. Yeah, I think I was scared of aging when I was younger. When I was a teenager, I was scared of getting older, of course. I think that's pretty natural. But one thing about being an artist that has excited me about aging is I just can't wait to see my friend's art that's true I can't wait to see the record you make in your 40s I am so excited for that you know what I mean it's gonna be crazy well I can't wait I can't wait actually to see the record you make in your 40s let's let's talk about the record I'm making in my 30s

I would love to I was pitching your 50s at first Because I thought that was the Yeah, that hurt Youngest No, I thought that was the youngest you would go for your debut record That really hurt Annie when we were hanging out the other day was like I can't wait until you're in your 50s and you start making music

And I was like, whoa I was pretty sure that was the plan Why put me off so far? I could do it sooner, couldn't I? I would kill for you to do it sooner We'll see We'll see what happens Guys

We did talk about We Caleb's got some stuff in the tank we got some stuff in the tank i told you some lyrics i wrote and they're pretty phenomenal what are you gonna do your uh hour your stand-up hour um i don't know that i would do that i don't think i could do an hour. Well, it would take a long, long, long time to do an hour. But I will say one of my, some of my favorite live, uh, my first of my favorite experiences of live art are when musicians, um, joke around between their songs. Oh, well, yeah,

that I'm like, I totally love to joke between you've seen. You're good at it. Thank you. Well, we went on tour together. We went on tour together. I got a lot better at joking between my songs after watching Caleb do his set so many times and the guest comedians. Yeah. But that's like one of my favorite parts of the show is like making little quips between the songs. What was your experience of us going on tour together? It's horrible. Yeah. It was like the worst, I would say.

The worst three weeks of my life, yeah. Yeah. What about you? Yeah. No, it was, yeah. It was really, really tough for me too. God, you're good. Yeah, I fucking hated it.

No, it was great. It was actually beautiful. It was, like, some of the best times of my whole life, apart from the fact that we kind of really went deep on our friendship. Yeah, and you hated that. No. No, I love that. Okay. We got really close.

We had, like, known each other in like a chill friend way before doing this i can't tell if i'm supposed to be looking at the camera oh you can always look at the camera our fans love that they love to see you okay but you don't have to you can mostly look at me okay well that's why i prefer um okay so we knew knew each other in a chill friend way um and then we became like pretty close on the road it was good it was really good it was really good well was really good well you have the coolest being in the world yeah they are kind of the sweetest they're lovely people my favorite people um and then the shows themselves were just like so fun because

it was changing so quickly like there'd be a drag queen a comic and another comic and then we would play a set and it was just like so easy to tune in and so fun for us because we got to watch a different show every night it was genuinely one of my favorite tours i've ever been on by far same it was so much fun we basically were like you came and did a show of mine in new york and then we were like hey we should do music and comedy touring together no one really does that i mean people it's not on like irregular that like a musician will have a comedian open for them somewhere or a comedian will have a band on at the end or whatever but i really haven't seen as like a dedicated like multi-city like titled branded tour yes that was co-headlining between a comedian and a musician

and i just thought that'd be really cool and you did too and we so we did it and i i really that yeah having on the drag queens in every city was so special and like amazing i just had so much fucking fun on that tour me too it was just like a kind of like a party every night i also think the co-headline thing was awesome too because it was like both of our fans there and there's a pretty big crossover between them which was awesome like yeah my the demographic didn't change that much you know what i'm saying yeah um but it was like yeah so beautiful i will say there was this moment when we were on tour that um i was i had told you i

would come in the van for a little i was like i'll come in the van for like one or two cities yes right i was like i'll go on the east coast between like but what i'll say is you started out by being like yeah i'll come in the van oh god city to city oh god i'm so excited like this is gonna hang we're gonna we're gonna do tour in a real way you are and as we got closer and caleb started to be faced with the reality of touring as an indie musician is the dates it started dwindling it started dwindling fast it was like yeah yeah i'll ride from new york to dc with y'all and it's like so i've decided to take the train and then heall. And then it's like, so I've decided to take the train. And then it's like, all of a sudden, I booked my flights to Chicago. And it's like, oh, that's interesting.

Remember when you were going to really ride in the van with us? So here's what I'll say about indie musicians. I didn't realize y'all live like prisoners. No, it's a damn slog, Caleb. Y'all are not doing well. When we talked on the phone, and Caleb actually was like, I was trying to explain what touring was like for an indie musician because it's so different from a comic. And Caleb was like, what?

Like you're spending all of this money. You're losing so much money, but you're still going. It's like, yeah. Well, y'all are talking about, you start talking to an indie musician. They start talking about, we don't make money off ticket sales. We hope to make it up on the merch. I said, pardon? Yeah.

Caleb was actually, and then Caleb was like getting, he like is what like what can we do and i was like simply nothing like that's just like it's just the way it goes really fucking crazy and it's totally fine i i mean i love touring it's a crazy slog um and what i will say is i almost think we showed you that because caleb canceled his flight This is what I was going to say. To Chicago. Yes. And maybe a train or two. Let me tell you something.

I was supposed to, this was crazy. We did the show in Philly. It was a great show. We went out afterwards to this weird little karaoke bar. Weird little karaoke bar. And had a very strange night. We had a strange night in Philly. We had a strange night. but we had a strange night in

philly and then at the end of the night we were having so much fun and i was so taken by the spirit of camaraderie with my friends i was supposed to fly from philly to chicago what is that an hour and a half flight i was supposed to take an hour and a half flight the next day i was supposed to sleep in at my gorgeous apartment that i had rented and i said taken by the spirit of camaraderie in the streets of philly i I said, y'all, I'm canceling my fight. I'm coming in the van to Chicago. Well, Caleb also does this thing where he doesn't want to, like, shake up the whole group. So he'll be like, we're all standing on the street together.

He's like, hey, Annie, can I talk to you over here for a second? He takes me five feet away from the group. And then he's like, so don't tell the boys yet, but I'm thinking of canceling my fight. Because I did what I wanted to know basically this was really considerate and cool of me what the whole band's standing over there like what i wanted to know was is everyone has everyone settled into a rhythm in the van where they have comfortable amount of space and then we put my big body in there and people are going to be uncomfortable and be like why didn't he take the fucking flight now we're squished that's what i wanted to know and you're like no in my crew is so like medically obsessed with you that they would like they would

sit on each other's laps they would lay on the gear anything for me to be in that van and they didn't have to which is what i want to know but then so yeah i go back to my place i sleep like three hours i had to uber 45 minutes from my place to your guys's hotel at like 7 a.m try six and then and then try 6 a.m and then get in the van to do what it ended up being 14 hours yeah to do a 14 hour van ride with all these people and I gotta tell you the first the uber from my place I'm thinking what did you do why did you cancel your beautiful first class flight to go and live like these musicians? And I thought, no, it's good to, it'll be like, um, like when, you know, like when Jane Goodall went and lived with the haters. I thought, oh, I'll learn from their culture and how they, how they feed one another.

That is what it felt like. I was like, oh my gosh, this will be so much fun. I'll learn. I could write a book about it or something. And then I got in that van. And I'll say three hours in, I was feeling like, this is the most special thing I've ever done. I love these people. What a joy.

And then six hours in, I said, get me a gun. I'm ready to end it all. I could not believe I did this. I said, I would have been in Chicago. I would have had two meals in Chicago by now. A shower. I probably would have gotten laid. I would have just had a beautiful day but I was such a beautiful day in that van and we ended it and it was so fun because we got we

pulled into Chicago and we drove down Lakeshore Drive it was raining yes and we like rolled the windows down and just jammed every fun song we could think of that related to Chicago Chicago and then also we started just doing songs about friendship yes remember we did you got a friend in me i think i was crying during this moment we were crying i was we were all crying it was raining yeah oh my god that was one of the most beautiful days ever that is a moment that is you know sometimes when a moment is happening if you're lucky you have the foresight to know that something beautiful is happening to you and you should lock in lock in hold on to it

forever that was one of those moments i absolutely agree i absolutely agree i can still picture it did we listen to life is a highway yes yeah that was everything dude that was completely everything we were clocked in and we screamed and when i'm back in Chicago, I feel it. Oh, my gosh. I'm really about to cry. Locked in, clocked in. Yeah, and after that, it was over. Yeah, the party was over.

No, I mean, like, it was. No, we had a great rest of tour, actually. No, it was over for anyone who doubted us. Yeah, our haters have suffered continuous losses. They got really quiet after that day. My haters have been in a bomb shelter for the last several years. They have been under witness protection. My haters are not winning.

They're not profiting. No, they're not. We had some haters on that tour, but very few. Do you have any messages? Do you have anything to say to your haters generally? No, I'm kind of like if you hate me that's okay yeah don't tell me about it though yeah if that makes sense like i don't think i'm in a place or really ever need to know about it but just like stay away yeah you know that's beautiful what about you what's your message your haters i would tell my haters um hide hide because if if me and my people ever find you you will suffer

no i would tell my haters you know what i would actually genuinely say to my haters i want to know this if i were were my haters standing in front of me and were I to address them in this moment? I hate your haters. Well, this is what I would say to them. Come on, man. Please. Why? Why me?

Do you know how many bad guys are out there? You could be hating. You could be hating. That's actually a really good point. You could be hating on fucking Benjamin Netanyahu. Yes. And you should be. And you're hating this fucking guy?

I'm silly. I actually completely agree with that, Caleb. I bother nobody. I hang out with my fucking boys. You don't bother nobody, but... I bother nobody. You bother nobody. Go with me.

Go with me. You bother... He doesn't bother anybody. I chill out. I hang out with my friends. I make my little little videos you don't even have to watch those that's the thing when you see these videos on your feed you could block me well i guess no so this is what i'm gonna say because the soap i'm gonna start saying this you can't actually escape yeah that's true that sucks even as him being a dear friend of mine i love to see his face so much and i think it's like i wonder if everyone's algorithm is like this totally as i scroll every video is a split screen of caleb and like someone power washing a

deck right so it's not even you couldn't block it like you'd have to block like the internet you'd have to get off the internet i i actually just experienced in this moment such empathy from any haters i did because that would suck because there are people i don't like on the internet and i will say i can't escape them and that is a helpless feeling that sucks i feel bad for them but i will say as a little boy i always dreamed that i would be talking to my friends next to a video of someone playing with goop yeah i mean that's what that is the dream that is the dream you said i hope that someday i'm talking to my buddies and someone on a video next to me is like you know chasing a chicken around a yard somewhere in malaysia yeah that's that's kind of mostly what i see that's beautiful yeah that's so beautiful the other day someone sent me on instagram one of my own videos and wrote l l and then five minutes for love And then five minutes later said, I'm so high.

Like they obviously meant to send it to someone else, but they'd sent it to me. Yeah. And I sat there for a second. I was like, jarring. This can't be happening. Jarring. And then they said, I'm so high. Love you so much.

Whoa. I said, I told you. I'm starting to think there's not a lot of love between us. L stands for love. I wanted to respond and then I thought no You certainly can't respond to that I know but I thought it would be funny to respond to it Like I think it's kind of funny

It did hurt my feelings for a second it brought me down like a punch in the gut For a second But then I was like this is ultimately funny And they must be like freaking out But also I think they probably think I haven't seen it They imagine that you're not seeing it yeah Um yeah and let's just say I see a lot of it But also I think they probably think I haven't seen it. They imagine that you're not seeing it. Yeah. Yeah.

And let's just say I see a lot of it. So that was a that took me down a few notches. Yeah. Well, that's beautiful that you saw it, I think, because now you now you know that they love you. Oh, hold this. Oh, really simple. Just really quick. Hold this all for me.

So how much can we talk about any new music that you have coming out soon? Do you have new music coming out soon? I have so much new music coming out soon. And we can talk about it a lot. And I'll be vague and then specific. Okay. And what's the vague part of it? It's more music than I've ever released, if you can imagine what that might be.

Whoa. That's crazy. Yeah. You did a lot of your new songs on our tour. I did many, many of the new songs on our tour. What's your favorite song that you've put out recently? Well, I've kind of only put out one of the new songs, Legs. So I'd have to say that.

Really? Or maybe Wet is coming out before this episode. So then Wet is coming out. Yeah. I guess I'm just so locked in on Annie that I think it's all out. And you, like, really know all – well, you actually know all of the songs. I do. So there's a lot of songs that I'm really excited about that I've been

playing live. But yeah, this is like my favorite music I've ever done, which I know everybody says, but I'm really excited. I will say some people don't, some people get into the, you know,

second, third EP album and they're not saying that it's their favorite. They're going, this stuff is really good. I'm excited about it. But I really believe you. I think there's an energy around the music you're making right now that feels like you're in the pocket i i do feel like i i kind of got to a place

that i'm really happy with with the music and it wasn't really that hard to make which is i think what makes me feel like it's so right. Music has in the past been pretty hard for me to make. Sometimes like writing especially while being on tour for so long I was on tour for a really long time like two years on and off was really tough and it was like pulling teeth but I feel like these songs like kind of much easier for me to write. production process was really easy i it was all like felt so natural um and i think it leaves me to still love the songs which is nice yeah what do you okay so i mean you're from new york you're from new york city new york yeah i was born in

the bronx yeah thanks for saying that what just north I like that a lot of people go upstate, but it's not upstate. It's not upstate. No. But you're from New York. Yeah. And you grow up here. Mm-hmm. And it's you, your mom, your dad, your brother.

Yeah, true. You're scooping ice cream at an ice cream shop. The Blue Pig. The Blue Pig. And you start making music when you're 11, 12. And you start making music when you're 11, 12. Well, yeah. Basically, I took guitar lessons when I was like seven or something like that.

I didn't practice, whatever. But I always loved to sing, as you do. What? As one does? And then when I was 10 or 11, I watched this like – I got really into Taylor Swift, and I watched this like bootleg Taylor Swift documentary and she was like if you want to sing you have to write songs I was like all right I gotta write some songs so I kind of taught myself guitar and then started writing some songs when I was like 11

but before that I was mostly doing like because I'm in New York and my dad is like you know he's 70 something like I was mostly doing like because I'm in New York and my dad is like, you know, he's 70 something. Like I was doing like musical theater singing. Right. Or like old ballads. Like I was doing like Frank Sinatra type stuff. Yeah. And then once I got that acoustic guitar and the ukulele.

Yeah. Unfortunately, the ukulele as well. There is no going back. There was an era. There was an era for the ukulele. That's nice. and i hit it hard yeah what hit you it hit me you don't hit the ukulele era the ukulele era hits you no it hit me hard i was doing um somewhere over the rainbow right i was doing a lot of jason morass right um lucky i'm in love with my best friend. Is that Jason Mraz? Yes. Jason Mraz and Colby Collet, in fact.

Oh, yeah. Okay, I was more on the, I'm yours. Yeah, yeah. Do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do. Yeah. Yeah, that's such a good song, actually. Scoo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo. I love when he goes on that little part.

Me too. It's fun. Me too. Everything about it is so real. That song, yeah, there was a real era there where it was like it was we were just past sublime but we hadn't quite reached like irony i don't think like that that just that it's just earnest it just it was in that pocket of earnestness where earnestness was still able to be mainstream in a cool way now i feel like we're a little away from

that but that i'm yours felt like a real era no we're totally away from the earnest being cool i think we should go back to it because it's coming back okay it's coming back i've been working yeah i've been working on that no no i've actually been working on that for years oh earnestness is coming back yeah no yeah earnestness is coming back okay i've been working on that um i think i'm ready for it to be back oh Oh, yeah. Don't worry about it. It's coming back. Hate is over. Hate is... Yeah. Hate is over. I mean, hate can be so powerful. We can reserve hate for the people who deserve it, I think.

Okay, sure. But I don't think much of them. I do believe that love is back. I think that earnestness is here. I think that loving your friends is front and foremost. I think it's corniness. Well, you know what? What?

I was let down by the human race yesterday i lost my faith in humanity briefly yesterday why i posted on my instagram story chance you already knows where this is going i posted on my instagram story yesterday and i said hey y'all if you're coming to my bell house show tonight it was nice little sold out show oh i thought this was so cute and i said hey y'all if you're coming to the show here's a cute idea everybody make a new friend in line or meet somebody new at the venue and i'm gonna pick a pair of new friends and give you some money for your next hangout you know give away some cash no i loved that i even responded and said this is so cute well i thought it was really sweet you know and i loved that i love to build community and i like when people because

my real dream is like yes of course i want to bring people together but i also have a real dream that like 20 years from now people will say that they met at my show and be like oh people because my real dream is like yes of course i want to bring people together but i also have a real dream that like 20 years from now people will say that they met at my show and be like oh this is my best friend we met at caleb show in brooklyn yeah that's beautiful or even a relationship would be cool that i get to be part of someone's very cool love story huh yeah and so i thought that'd be really cute so i get and i'm thinking i'm i'm buzzing all day because the reason i posted is because i was feeling a little anxious about the show. Go ahead. And you're going to die from the matcha right now?

Sorry. And go. Walk back in. And then, so I'm buzzing all day thinking, man, there's going to be so many friendships made at the show tonight. That's what's getting me excited. I get to the show. I get on stage. I go, who made a new friend?

Maybe 20 people cheer. 400 people in the room. Maybe 20 people cheer. And were they being real or were they kind of just no they were being real i did believe them it was all lesbians and i and so you can trust i trust lesbians more than in more than any other group i trust lesbians okay to get the job done to be truthful yeah yes yes they're well they're an industrious folk yeah and um yeah very trustworthy the lesbians and so i asked and i said i said i said you know what this really this really broke me this really broke me y'all i wanted everyone to make friends tonight and i got on my instagram story and i was corny in public

you're vulnerable i was vulnerable in cornball and i was earnest and i earnestly said that i wanted people to make friends at my show and y'all treated me y'all treated me like dirt y'all treated me like scum you didn't make friends and then I think there were more people who made friends that didn't just want to cheer that's how I told myself that it went really I would almost go the other way and say that more people cheered than made friends right okay so I just think thinking about audiences that shows like people want to yeah they want people want to put their hand up you know they want to throw their hand i did i was offering cash prizes yes i'm starting i'm starting to think it's yeah going the other way i do feel that you know the first people i gave money to was a group of four uh lesbians and they had all met made friends too they came in pairs of

two and i looked at two of those lesbians. Were they two couples? Exactly. So I'm looking at two of those lesbians and I said, I said, first of all, I said, two lesbian couples? And they said no. And I said, ah, you guys tried it and it didn't work out.

They both shook their heads yes. I ran screaming across the stage. I said, I'm too powerful for my own good. Yeah, no, you are. This is incredible. And then i said i said what so what happened and how long did it last and one of them goes about six months and the other one goes it was three and i go oh so it felt long to you that's interesting we learned a lot

about them other two both queer probably i'll say of the four of them there's at least a they in there you know there's a slash there's a slash they on one of those she's yeah and we might be even in full they them territory. Sure. And I'll say, just given my audience, one of them is on the path to taking T. You know, one of them is heading towards their testosterone factory is coming up this week. Yes. So I'll say those queers of the four of them, those two tried it and it didn't work out.

So they're just friends now, which is beautiful. Okay. And then the other two said they hadn't tried it. Did they, did the two that tried it and didn't work out and seem settled that it didn't work out they seemed really comfortable in their dynamic okay that's great and the other two are about to try it you think no the other two one of them said they were taken but they didn't say in a way that made me feel like they were entirely pleased about it and then the other one uh it seemed like they might have been into it wow yeah and i don't know which one of the four

of them is gonna have top surgery the soonest but of the four of them i'd say at least probably two over the long arc of life will end up having top surgery and they'll support each other through that i think i hope the four of them made lifelong friends oh yeah i think that they'll hang out i really do i think i hope that at least maybe they just split the cash at the end of the night and are going to go their separate ways but i do hope that they will. I do hope that they will hang out. How much cash did you give them? I gave those four lesbians one hundred dollars. And then I gave three non-binary people from Connecticut in the back one hundred and two

dollars because that's what was left in my wallet. Oh, my God. That's wonderful. Yeah. I gave away some money. Did they say what they were going to do? Well, no. And I should have asked.

But it really I did want to move on. It was a good good faith thing it is a good faith thing i didn't want to pressure them but i did ask both of them before i gave them money i said do you think you'll hang out again after this and they said yes wow i wish we knew i know i would love if y'all if any of you i'm sure at least at least one of these young queer people listens to this podcast if you guys ever met up with your people please let us know in the comments we would love to we would love to know about it and let us know about your journey with tea as well please because it's it's upcoming for at least one of you i can feel it yeah you ever done tea no i haven't me neither i do wonder what it would be like i do too yeah i think it i'm like yeah i just wonder what everything is like of course i wonder what it'd be like same

with estrogen i also wonder oh gosh me too i i want to know what everything is like you know i was writing the other day i was journaling thinking about my 20s and because i'm about to turn 30 thinking about my 20s and thinking about life and you know i wrote a big source of my depression when i was younger my teens in my early 20s was not that I wanted to be somebody else, but that I wanted to be everybody else. That's so profound. I didn't want to be just there wasn't like one person that I was like, oh, man, I wish I was that guy. Yeah. It was like, no, I want every experience on Earth.

I can't believe that I only get to be this one guy. Yeah. I get to do different versions of this guy. You know, it's the fig tree. Hmm hmm i wish you would say more i'm trying to it's very fig tree of you so that's giving fig tree unfortunately like i'm trying to remember it's definitely like a an author or poet um yeah we'll just keep going it's gonna be people are gonna be upset that i don't know but basically it's like someone was so hungry i'm like not explaining this yeah no someone was so hungry and they're at a fig tree and they couldn't decide

which fig to take yeah and then by the time they decided like maybe they were all rotten or something and then oh this happens to me on DoorDash like once a week. Like everything closes by the time you're doing the sign. Yeah, I do the fig tree thing once a week. Chance that you find the fig tree situation. It is like a paragraph long quote.

And who is it? I think Sylvia Plath. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sylvia Plath. Sure, sure, sure, sure. Yeah. And what happens at the end? Does the figs rot or what happens?

Now, also, Sylvia Plath, did she kill herself with an oven? Or was that something I made up in my head? I think that might be true. Did she put her head in an oven until she died? Yes. Yes, she did. Okay. Good to know.

But what did she have to say before she did that? She wrapped up the quote, I wanted each and every one of them, but choosing one meant losing all the rest. And as I sat there, unable to decide, the figs began to wrinkle and go black and one by one they plopped to the ground at my feet right i was right yeah and that's how it is yeah so maybe you should read that whole thing that's so real i really do i get i i used to you know i used to get so spun out like when i turned 23 i remember specifically having a really big cry about the fact that i would never be a 22 year old tattoo

artist you know why couldn't you be a 25 year old tattoo i could but that's the thing is i would never be a 22 year old tattoo artist i already i already did 22 and i wasted it not being a tattoo artist now wait so you know you have some problems about aging no it's just it no it's not it really is because for a while i think at the time it was but now i still having made peace with aging i still have this because back then it was based on age i think yes but now it's this core problem that is morphed mutated into something else which is that i do still feel i want to know as much about the human experience as i can and the best way to do it would be able to have all of them myself but since i can't i just have to rely on being interested in other people which is lovely as well

it is lovely I'm kind of with you especially choosing to do music it's like damn there's so many other cool things out there I love music yeah um but I like there's always those people I have a few friends that have just kind of done like the hop around thing in their 20s which I think is so sick like they'll work at like a restaurant then they'll work at like a candle place you know and like do all of these different jobs and have so many different experiences and meet so many different people which in music you do meet so many different people and have experiences but i do always i'm the same way i'm always like mourning lives i didn't live yeah or can't or won't get to

yeah yeah when i get excited about them i'm like man that would have been a fun one but i'm just i'm just this guy which i like this you know this guy no it's a it's a great guy it's a great guy he's cool yeah i've really made peace with him i like him i'm happy to do him until you know i get moved on to the next thing but would have been fun to do other guys what would be your what would be your top thing you would have done oh other guy other guy tattoo no because i can't draw and i don't like blood and i hate having appointments no sure no sure so that's all yeah those are all columns in the no tattoo artist category. But I would like to be a part of someone's journey of putting making them like their body and looking good on their body. I'd like to be a part of someone's tapestry in that way.

You know what? The thing that comes most to mind that I really think we're two roads diverged. And I took one is I got a I was playing football in high school and I got a knee injury. And when that knee injury was healing, I had to decide if I was going to go back to playing football or go do something else. Oh, I love this. And I went and started doing student council stuff. And I think had I really gone and tried football, I might have played in college or something. I don't wish I did, but I genuinely like my life much more than that.

But I do think, whoa, that's kind of interesting. Had I not had that knee injury, I wonder if I would have just kept doing that because it was expected of me and would I have you know I wonder what you would be like if you stayed on the football track and not gone student council well I think yeah I'm like would I ever have come out would I have like continued to because that was when I was 15 so I was still burying a lot of parts of myself you know I wasn't I was nowhere you know I wasn't as fun as i could have been i would have loved to have known you then i was still cool i know that i know that you were still cool also what i'll say is because i also dipped my toes in student council a bit if we were on student

council together no we would have been enemies i think yeah it wouldn't have gone well were you president no and that's really strange that's really strange yeah I there was there was always something about me that people could tell like I I will say even like I I will say I definitely didn't get scholarships leaving high school because I was liberal like I was oh okay well that was yeah you went to school and there was also something about me that I think people just felt was devious. That's true. Like, I was never one of the golden.

I was never, I was always involved, but I was never, like, I don't want to say names because some of them are still dear friends of mine and some of them aren't, which is, you know, even more of a reason not to say their name. But there were definitely, I was just never one of those kids that all the adults were like, that's a good egg. Really? I think I was seen as- That's actually hard for me to imagine. I think some adults felt that way, but I definitely think I just wasn't, I wasn't from like a good

family with a name, you know, I wasn't from one of those families, which in my town, they run deep. Yeah. The families with names have been there forever. You know, I wasn't, my mom was a single mom. We were kind of like, I'm not like, you know, we just weren't, I think I was, I was also liberal. I was outspoken.

I got in trouble in high school a lot for talking about politics. I remember very specifically, I tweeted about gun control and how much we needed it. And I was an officer in this family values student organization. And I very specifically remember one of the staff, me getting in trouble, getting called into a meeting. And then being like, this organization doesn't have a stance on gun control. And I was like, well, I do. This is when you were in high school? This is when I was 16.

Twitter? Twitter, yeah. Because Twitter came out in 2000. I started in 2009 or 10. I started pretty early. You started Twitter. I started Twitter. But I was a freshman in high school in 2009 or 10.

So this would have been when I was 16. Was it seven or six? Seven or six. Yeah, I was going to say. It had been around for a minute. Because Ashton Kutcher was doing interviews about it in 2008. But he was big on Twitter. He was one of the originators.

Oh, wow. But I remember I got there like we don't have a stance on gun control. And I was like, well, I do. And kids are getting shot at school and I'm fucking terrified. So what now? And it was just like I couldn't believe that I was getting in trouble for this. I lived in such a conservative world, you know? Yeah, I mean, that I mean, mine was pretty much the opposite.

I lived in a liberal bubble. I know because you really grew up around Democrats. I grew up around the most like Democrat-type people you could ever imagine. Right. And it was just all about politics. It was all liberal policies. When I moved to go to school in Tennessee for college at Belmont, it was insane culture shock to me. it was insane culture shock to me yeah i like didn't even really realize that young people with such different views than me like were kicking around you know and well you you thought

you've expressed this to me before you really thought that conservatism was something that legitimately only old people did and it was going to die out yeah you didn't know young i actually thought conservatism and like christianity yeah like i was pretty sure i growing up i grew up like you know 40 minutes north of the city here i was pretty sure like oh yeah probably like religion specifically christian, I thought was maybe going to die out with our generation. Right. Because the only like devout friends that I had were like Jewish people. So it wasn't really a thing. I grew up Catholic.

I was like confirmed and everything. But it was all just part of like making my old Italian aunt happy. Like it had nothing to do with. Intense, personal, genuine faith. Yeah. old Italian aunt happy like it had nothing to do with intense personal genuine faith yeah I mean I remember the day before my confirmation I was like to my parents I was like because there was a specific Bible verse we read and I was like I am NOT vibing with this so much and they were like look they're like look do it for your aunt Gina come on yeah and i did i put on a little dress

and i did my confirmation um i'm vibing with this so much i was not vibing so i'm not fucking with this like extra heavy i don't know if we have to do this i was not yeah that's what i was kind of like i was like really y'all like i'm not really vibing with this like this doesn't seem very me yeah and they were like no it's fine like just go and it doesn't have very me. Yeah. And they were like, no, it's fine. Like, just go and do it. It doesn't have to be you. It has to be Aunt Gina. Let's go. Exactly. Yeah. Like, yeah, Aunt Gina fought hard and long to be here.

You have an Aunt Gina? Yeah. I have an Aunt Gina. Okay. Beautiful, but back to your story. Okay. Wait, I was, okay, I would love for them to meet. Yeah.

So then when I moved to college, I was pretty shocked to, like, walk. I also went to a Christian school in the Bible Belt you made a big choice yeah everyone from my town was so scared for me like they were like like it was literally like a huge deal everyone was like you shouldn't do that like that's not really it's not going to be good like people were like really scared for me um and so I go to this Christian school in the bible belt and i'm shocked for some reason when i arrived there to see like bible verses on people's dorm walls i like really it was unexpected i was like really like y'all f with this so much it's up on the wall like that yeah and then it's

like dorm like come on goober on the door in Yeah. And I was like, there's no way. And then I was like, maybe their parents just like put that up and then they're going to take it down when I leave. No. They put it up on you. And I realized really quickly, religion is alive and well. Christianity is alive and well. It is alive and well.

And all the conservative sects of every faith are equally goober and terrifying. Like, you know, extremely conservative people in any religion are scary and weird to me but of the liberal sects of all faiths my favorite are liberal jewish people liberal jewish people are the most fun to me oh yeah but liberal christians scratch something special in my head and heart like liberal very liberal christians like my mom honestly my mom is somebody who's like she believes in jesus and she like loves trans people and she's very non-dogmatic liberal christian people do scratch a special place in my heart for obvious reasons i me too and that was a huge thing i learned moving to nashville um because like again everyone

from my town was so scared for me um and then when i got there i very quickly realized because everyone's like you know people are like so close-minded whatever when i got there i was like okay i think maybe like y'all are being a little close-minded whatever when I got there I was like okay I think maybe like y'all are being a little close-minded right now um because a lot of this people that I met um and friends that I made if they were like observing Christians I don't know if that's the right phrase there it was all just about love yeah know, and I think that was something that I can totally get behind. I think there are kind of some scary sex in Nashville that seem like maybe it's all love. But then there are like definitely some like microaggressions happening behind the scenes.

It's a Trojan horse situation. Yes. Yeah. So. Yeah. But I will say I love nashville so much i fucking love nashville it's like a great city it rocks and there's so many amazing people there there's so much amazing music being made there it's just a great place to kind of be i i you

know i love nashville i genuinely love nashville caleb does love nashville caleb came to visit me in nashville like a week well i'm saying like that caleb was there for work but i made work be there so i could come to nashville yeah yeah i made sure i got to nashville hey you know what we should do some voicemails from our fans okay okay we're gonna listen to a voicemail from our callers we haven't done this in a minute so i'm excited to be back in the voicemail world oh i'm a little scared wait so what is happening well you're gonna listen to a voicemail and then we're gonna weigh in on it oh okay i can't wait can't wait hey caleb and guest i don't know if this is gonna charge me

a million dollars to make because i'm actually calling from australia so yeah i want to know the truth about djs what are they? What are they doing up there? What buttons are they pressing? What do they got going on? All right, thanks. I absolutely, I should say, I absolutely love being like, sorry, I'm actually calling from Australia.

It's like, we know, babe. I'll let you know, we know. We got there, we got there. What you would know what DJs are up to, what are they pushing up there? That's a really good question. I don You would know what DJs are up to. What are they pushing up there? That's a really good question. I don't know exactly what DJs are up to. I was actually hired to do a DJ set about a month ago. And I was like, surely I'll just put on a playlist.

Yeah. And then the person was like, we're going to have another DJ up there with you. And then who was my friend, Roberto. And then he called me like a week or two before. And he was like, so I've never gone B2B before. And da, da, da, da. Like all this stuff. And I was like friend Roberto. And then he called me like a week or two before and he was like, so I've never gone B2B before and da-da-da-da-da, like all this stuff.

And I was like, mm-hmm, same. So I was like, that's so interesting. I've also never gone B2B, which I guess means you're like DJing with people and you're kind of like riffing off each other.

Yeah. And what I'll say is I didn't do a damn thing when we were DJing. I just kind of went. I saw that coming, yeah. Like this? I saw that coming, yeah.

And he was amazing, and there was actually a lot to it, but it was cool. It's something I'm down to learn. He's, like, matching BPMs, matching keys, blending things. My form of DJing is kind of like dancing. Yeah, I think my DJing would be, like, my DJing genuinely would be, like, five people in my living room i got some candles lit and i'm like you guys gotta listen to this yeba cover that is your djing listen to yeba cover it's like sit down sit down first of all don't say a word uh yeah a gay man

with a youtube account is speaking listen and learn yes i actually yeah that's that's insanely real a gay guy a gay guy with some youtube covers has something to say listen up that's like me Luke and Sam will just sit around every night for hours just putting our favorite youtube videos on I went on a date a couple weeks ago with this guy who it went great we went to a bar near my house then we went back to my place and he was I was like oh I want to play you this song that we talked about at dinner and I played it for him then he was like I want to play you a song so we started going back and forth playing each other songs with a hot one of the hottest things you can do no I actually just got butterflies but then I was like, oh, I want to play you this song that we talked about at dinner. And I played it for him. And he was like, oh, I want to play you a song. So we started going back and forth playing each other songs. One of the hottest things you can do.

No, I actually just got butterflies. But then I was playing some Yeba, literally a Yeba song, where she's in a recording studio with a band. And it's one of my favorites. And I can't at this moment remember what song it is. I remember the visual of the thumbnail. And I was playing it for him. And he was trying to make out with me.

And I was like, I do want to fuck you. we're gonna listen to this you have a song i was like hey take it whoa brother i'm gonna fuck you but you're gonna listen to this you have a cover right quick it can go wrong though too like one time i had gone on like a like a pretty like boring date let's just say like let's call it boring like there was yawning involved yeah we get back to my house it's like let me show you something puts on a 70 minute live fully live concert no of this like band that's cool but very avant-garde and i was like is it king gizzard i know i was falling asleep on the couch because it was already so boring yeah and i'm like this like and then they're like and like also they're not musicians so absolutely you know like not to say no not to say musicians

can't recognize guitar tone but i felt like they were trying to be like so that guitar tone yeah no no yeah yeah yeah it's like turn this off we're actually 45 minutes into this show. Yeah. It was, I like basically, yeah, fell asleep on the date. See, you're so much stronger than me because like seven minutes into that, I would have been like, hey, are we going to hook up or should I head out? Because I'm not watching this. I was so past wanting to hook up that I was almost like, I did not want to hook up. Yeah. Like I was like, let's just keep this on.

Yeah. I put a board game on the couch in between us yeah i the thing is yeah if i take you home i definitely want to sleep with you and um yeah you but you if you want to get these panties off you got to listen to yeba really quick you got to listen to whatever you have to listen to frank ocean singing i miss you live at the bowery 2012 really quick. You do have these videos on lock. I was at Caleb's apartment for, I would say, 20 minutes the other day.

Within seven minutes, we were sat watching YouTube. I've got thoughts. Yeah, I've got thoughts. It happened so quick. I have my little videos that I like. Then I like to play them. It's like you know when a you know when a dog brings you a stick and you can tell that to them it's so much more than that you can tell that they're

like look I want to share this stick with you this is a prize that I found that's me with my little YouTube videos no I'm kind of the same way I'm a big YouTuber I always was I was really into the I was really into the British YouTubers yeah yeah in middle and high school I was really into the British YouTubers. Yeah. Yeah. When I was, like, in middle and high school, I was, like, Zoella. Do you know any of these people? No. Of course not. Alfie Days, Marcus Butler. I was, like, freakishly into them, and, like, the only thing about them was they were British.

Like, none of them had any – well, Zoella did make up, but none of them really had any skills. They were not funny. Yeah. They were just British, and they would hang out. I, in fact, got tickets to see them live on tour and what were they doing up there yeah nothing that's the thing it was actually crazy and i went to london for the first time like a year and a half ago and it was like going to disney like everything i saw I was like, Zoella in 2013 went to that Nando's. Not Nando's.

Yeah, I forced the people I was with to go to Nando's because they would always be like, I'm not going to do an accent. They'd be like, getting? Hey, we're going to Nando's.

Like getting a cheeky Nando's. Cheeky Nando's. Yeah. Nando's has one of my favorite hot sauces. They have so many hot sauces. They're Spicy Garlic Peri Peri, Clockton Lockton. Marcus Butler used to like that one.

Marcus. Shout out. One of my favorite. I was just in London for three weeks. And one of my little corner store meals when I just needed to eat something quick before I went out was these frozen chicken meatballs that I would heat up and then put that specific literally i bought a bottle of garlic hot peri-peri sauce from nando's and i would put some on there and then eat it real quick and then run out the door wow i love that yeah it was nice it was it was it

was a fun time yeah it sounds amazing i have a question for you what's so true to you something that's so true to me is this saying that i've kind of been marinating on for like a year and a half which is it's good to be hot in the summer and i've posted this like on instagram and i think about it all the time but it's just about being where you are so like in the summer being outside in the heat instead of like turning on the AC and like feeling the air around you and being part of your environment. But to me, it also means like not numbing yourself to what's going on, because I tend to do that a lot. a lot and this past year i've been trying to be present and feel what's happening um and listen to what's going on around me and kind of clock in um and just be where i am so that's what's so true

to me i love that i also think specifically the hot and the summer of it all is a it's like a really tasty way to do it because specifically in summer, I get hot and get so fucking annoyed and can't wait for fall and winter when I won't be so hot. And I wish away the summer and then the winter and fall come and I do enjoy them. But then I also there are days when it's so cold that I'm just praying I would do anything to be hot. I would do anything to walk outside in a T-shirt and I would I can't wait for the summer. And you can just spend your whole life in that loop of, you know, not enjoying the thing that's going on for you currently and hoping for the thing that will come later.

My best friend's mom, Miss Violante, always used to say, don't rush spring. Yeah. It's like, don't put the shorts on in February, you know? Yeah. Like, wait for it to be time. So it's kind of like those are sister phrases. That's why it's so true.

I love that. I really love that. I went pretty earnest. I really like that sister phrases that's my so true i love that i really want earnest i went pretty earnest i really like that stop wait wait i love that i'm feeling a little crazy right now i know that's beautiful it's good to be it is it it's good to be hot in the summer it's good to be hot in the summer i like that a lot that should be merch it's about standing in the fire that should be any de russo merch right there it's good to be hot in the summer to be hot in the summer that'd be a fun tattoo also and it's also kind of like yeah it's also good to be it's like good to be hot in the summer like yeah looking good you know good feeling good kind of a lot of meanings behind

it but really i mean like just standing in the fire being where you are yeah i love that i love you you're such a poet i love you more and i mean that and i really mean that the way you looked at me took me back well i Well, I meant it. And that's the look I'm getting. No, you meant it for sure. Something I ask people a lot on this show that I want to ask you is, you know, what do you want? So here you are, Annie DeRusso, moved to Nashville, went to Belmont, graduated, have had some big songs, have had some great music, some great press. You've been on all this cool stuff.

It's really going well for you. You just signed a new, uh, deal with a new record label, um, which is really fucking cool. And some stuff will come of that, whatever it may be.

Uh, and yeah, things are going really well for you, but what do you, what do you want? What's the point? Um, the point to me is to have fun,

to be honest. Um, and spend time with people I love and that's something that especially being like i took some time off to write this group of songs um from touring for the last year year and a half and it was very illuminating for me of what matters and what my priorities are so I just want to spend time with people I love um make stuff that I really love and am proud of and have fun making um and hopefully get to play a bunch of shows that are really fun and have a good time doing it. I think making music is, can seem so serious and it is, but at the end of the day, I'm making music. Like, are you fucking kidding me? Like, I'm just like my, I was like sitting in my room for months.

Just, I would go on little walks, come I would think you know maybe play the guitar for a second it's like not that serious and I want to just kind of live in that feeling of like I'm doing this because I love to do it and I'm doing this because it's fun and I want the audiences at the show to feel that that and I want my band to feel that way um and just have a good time and celebrate being able to just be alive making music and taking in music and art and stuff yeah so that's kind of what's up I don't know if that was your question no I love that I think that's a great thing to focus I I feel very similarly like I I finished my huge uh tour last year of my hour and I felt like, God, once this hour is over, I'm never going to have stand up to do again. Like I've worked on this for so long, so hard. And yeah, I just kind of took time off and was like, I'm not doing stand up for a while.

And now I'm back doing new material and I went and lived and I have some things to talk about. And it feels like, yeah, I am just constantly trying to remind myself that nothing is that serious and nothing matters that much i get stressed out being like fuck i've got to get this done this hour or else it's going to be late and it's like it can be late no it just doesn't matter i actually killed moses i cried for the whole entire day yesterday so i'm so if my eyes are a little swollen in this episode uh that's why but then i'm like as I'm saying like nothing's that serious I literally cried for 12 hours yesterday so um but why what I will say is like just feeling that way and then waking up today and being like what do I have to do today I'm gonna go be on Caleb's podcast and then I'm gonna make some videos um and work on this music video.

You know, it's like, that's really sweet and really fun. And I feel lucky to do it. And I'm excited to just hopefully take things in that direction. Yeah. Rather than letting it get too serious, especially as I'm starting to release so much new music. I think it's just about having a good time doing it, to be honest, and getting to still spend time with people you love. But, yeah, I'm excited to just play more shows, make more music,

and, you know, I've been really into pickling things. I love. What's your favorite? If you can only pick one favorite pickled item red onion radish really pickled radishes in a poke bowl or in i uh that that fucking spicy the spicy tuna uh crispy rice that we had the other night yes and they put pickled radish in there an incredibly inspired touch their hands were guided by god that was beautiful i love that they did that you loved a lot about that restaurant there was a skeleton we went to the sushi restaurant the other night there was a skeleton in the corner they were you know decorating for halloween holding a plate of

sushi caleb couldn't stop looking at it he stood but we were in a big rush he stood by it for minutes when we walked in then we sat down at at our table and like we're having a conversation, you know, when you're like, this person's not here with me. Because Caleb's eyes would be like. They dressed the skeleton like a sushi chef. Just staring at the sushi skeleton. They dressed the skeleton like a sushi chef and had him holding an omakase plate. Like, and then when we left, he went back up to it.

I just thought that was a lot of fun. He like told the people, he told the people he told the people working at the restaurant like loving that like it's almost enough to make me cry i really thought that was so fun i like that they did that because it's playful i loved it too but it like really it took a i really did love him or her them i don't know but i loved that skeleton the sushi skeleton i thought well he has a job or you know i like that they love sushi because they're here at the sushi restaurant but it's also spooky i thought how fun he was definitely working there he was in the uniform yeah they

were yeah they were you never know i didn't know you're right you're right you're right um yeah you just never know and i and i didn't check and i wouldn't i don't care what their gender are i just love you didn't check i didn't check i didn't ask i didn't talk to you i didn't check and I wouldn't. I don't care what their gender are. I just love. You didn't check. I didn't check. I didn't ask. I didn't talk to you. I didn't check your paperwork. I didn't do anything. Yeah.

No, you didn't. I just said, I love that you're a sushi chef. Yeah. How beautiful is that? It was really beautiful. Was it distracting from the time we were having? Yeah, a little bit. Of course.

Yeah. I was not focused on you. But it was great. Yeah. It was beautiful for me. Me and the sushi chef had a connection. Yeah, absolutely. What was I going to say to you?

It was something. Oh, well, on your trying to have fun and see people i love type wave i'm also recently focused on inspiring fun in others i want to encourage people to do fun things there's enough voices of reason in the world you know wait i love that there's enough voices of reason there's enough people that will tell you to be cautious there's enough there are so many people that would tell you this there cautious. There are so many people that will tell you this. There are therapists. There are often your parents. There are counselors. There are financial advisors.

I have decided very recently that my role in the world is going to be to encourage fun and recklessness. Give an example. Like, for example, we did an episode recently where I told the Rachel Pegram episode where I said overdraft your bank account to have fun. If you're low on money, spend it anyway. Skip your rent. I'm just going to give the reckless advice that is,

have fun. Well, I feel that way. I feel like money, you can always, most of the time, make back. Yeah. Find. Sleep when you're dead. Sleep when you're a sushi chef in the afterlife. And, yeah, go do things. I need to be be more like that i'm not like that at all i just i'm the type of person to like give that advice but like so it doesn't follow it well i'm trying to

take it as well and i'm i'm trying to inspire i want to inspire fun i think that's a big part of my goal here oh i love that yeah i not only want to have it but i want to inspire it i want people to when people need to hear somebody say, do the reckless thing, I hope they will come to me. I always will now. Please do. And I'll say, go do it. You only live once.

Life is short. You know that. I like to say that. Yeah. You know that I like to wield that ax. Absolutely. I have a segment for you. Okay.

I am going to read you 15 statements and you're going to tell me as quickly as you can if you think that each one is true or false, quickly as you can. And if you get 10 or more correct, Annie, I'm going to give you 50 U.S. dollars. I am really scared for this because I want to be really good at it, but I think I'm going to be bad. Well, we're about to find out. Okay. Taylor Swift's middle name is Sinclair. False.

False. It's? Allison. Allison. Hummingbirds migrate alone. True. True. Redheads need about 20% more anesthesia than people with different hair colors false true myspace is older than sabrina carpenter

true false it is illegal to hark your it is illegal to honk your car horn in new york city false that's true tab soda was invented by the mormon church true false the dog from airbud is still alive That's true. Tab soda was invented by the Mormon church. True. False. The dog from Air Bud is still alive. True. False.

Oh, my God. Seth MacFarlane was a writer for Johnny Bravo. True. True. The Michelin man's real name is Curtis. True. False. Bibbingdom?

Bibbingdom? Bats are blind. True. False. Bibbingdom? Bibbingdom? Bats are blind. True. False. They can see and use echolocation. The official language of Brazil is Spanish. False. False.

It's Portuguese. Athens is Europe's oldest capital city. You know, I'mthens and rum right now uh i'm like what came first the roman uh true it's true bees have two wings false they have four I also love through the course of the episode Annie's getting progressively further away from the microphone Annie eventually is going to be in the corner behind that plant

Belmont University's mascot is Bobby the Bruin it's definitely a Bruin whether or not it's name is Bobby false bruiser two is the only even prime number true true how'd you do eight oh that's really good though is that i know you went on a long run of l's there i send you this segment. L. I clip this L. L.

L. L. It's so funny. Well, you did pretty good. Yeah, it didn't feel great. You did pretty good, and I want you to know that. I felt like at the beginning I was like really on it, and then of course I had that slump in the middle. Yeah.

God. Annie, I gotta tell you, I love you to death. I love you to death. It was too much fun to have you on the show. It was the best I literally can't wait For your music And I can't wait for

We have some We have some exciting Stuff that might be Happening together That we won't We won't tell people But you and I Might be doing something

Together soon I'm trying to Oh my god yes I knew you were getting there I knew you were getting there Oh my god I'm actually so excited About that

Yeah I knew you'd get there And we won't We won't tell them about it now but we'll just let them know that might be happening is there anything that you want to tell uh the the what is it five to seven billion people who watch this show five to seven billion yeah do you want to tell five to seven billion truthers in k liberties um sure uh caleb's a good guy i was really happy to be here today um keep going he's a really wonderful friend and i love him so much and yeah so your manager cat is gonna kill you because usually this is where people plug their social medias and okay and you know what i'll say let me shout out to cat love you cat okay my name is my name is Eddie DeRusso I have a new

song coming out called wet and legs legs is about Caleb and wet is inspired by him too and then yeah I've got a lot of new music coming out so check it out and Caleb was the muse for a lot of it so I love you so much I love you so much thanks for being on thanks for having me