So True with Caleb Hearon - Barbie Ferreira is a Theatre Kid

Episode Date: March 20, 2025

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This is a head gum podcast. It was really wonderful and it was just really fun. I mean by the time I got the hang of it, it was fun. Can I interrupt you really quick Barbie? I mean yeah. When was the last time you came through to one of my shows? Do you remember? Oh you know what?

Let's talk about it. I have been to a bunch of your shows. Let's talk about it. No, Lisa is real as fuck. Yeah. You guys meeting was actually huge for me. I love her. I saw her at a, I did a I watched a lot of standoffs where I did see her Like before I forgot what it was. I think it was at So House or something. She was so good. Before I introduce you guys? Yeah, but I didn't like hang out with her or anything and then you became like, you know, best friends. That was such a New York night. That was such a New York night.

When it was like you were doing your Broadway show and I was like, let's meet up for drinks after and then Lisa was like, I have 20 minutes before a set, come to the Chelsea. I love it! And then we were like, let's converge and join groups and then- And then we got rejected from that comedy show. We got rejected. Which one was it? We got turned away from The Cellar.

The Cellar. We got turned away from The Cellar because I guess there's no list at The Cellar. I don't know, I don't go there. OK. And so we couldn't watch Lisa's set. Then we had to go up to where all the comics hang out at the little restaurant. That was fun.

And then we ran into the editor-in-chief of something. Mel Ottenberg. Oh my god. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I was like, no. That was so. It was a New York night, baby. It was a New York night.

Is it interview that he does? Yeah, interview. Interview mag. And then we fucking watched. And then we got to see Lisa's late set. Which is incredible. And then we hung out and had chicken wings in the basement. Yeah. We had a big New York night.

That was a big night. It was. Actually, it was so fun because it just was like, I didn't know where I was going to go. We were just on the street, we were running to go to her set. It was so fun. Oh, we totally left out that same night between seeing Lisa for the drink and then ending up at her show later. We went to Julius.

We did! We went to the gay bar. And Billy Eichner was there. And Billy Eichner was there. Yeah, it was a big day for us. You told me that when we were walking out. We walk out of this gay bar and Barbie goes, Billy Eichner's in there. Oh yeah!

Why, I was just blocking him! I was like, I didn't even see him. Where did you see him? Oh, I see everything. And then I did see him, right? I look in the window and it's just Billy. Just there Billy Billy on the bar. It's not it was really fun I felt like I was I feel like in New York I didn't really get to go out that much even though every single other person in my cast did and I

Because I just I just be inside. I don't know you be inside I really I need to I don't know why cuz I'm pretty like social and I am I would like to think an effervescent human Being but I need to recharge a lot. So that was really fun. That was really fun. Your birthday was really fun, too. You came to my birthday. I did.

Did you have a good time? I did, but I had a matinee in the afternoon the next day. So I had to be good and not drink because of my voice. But I did smoke weed. Nice. Well, there was that cool rooftop where everyone was smoking. People were ripping joints out there. Ripping. Nice. Yeah. Well, there was that cool rooftop where everyone was smoking. That was so cool.

People were ripping joints out there. Ripping. I saw, oh my gosh, I saw some frisky things happening on that roof. Oh, people were getting after it. There were little couples just walking around, just sneaking away. My birthday party was randomly a fuckfest. I kind of wanted! Yes!

Truly, so many people were being like, what is going on? That is a dream! I throw Halloween parties, and I think this year might be, what is going on? That is a dream. I throw Halloween parties and I think this year might be, I do it every other year and it's always a fuck fest. And I don't intend it to be. I always am like so wholesome with it. Like my first Halloween party, I had like candy and like, it was like very like trick or treat.

And then like, it was just like fucking. Like it was everywhere. I was like, okay And I was like okay I was like walking to a door and I'm like whoa I need to close that Let's not see what's going on in my home Dude that was the, people were saying at my birthday party they were saying I can't believe how many people are dancing, I can't believe how many

people are like hardcore making out And I said this is why you throw a party You have to do it for like the horniness It's for the culture I think so And for the looks and you did a costume party, so that's It was kind of a really good double whammy you threw a New Year's Eve party I did that I came to you did come and I'm at this fabulous girl who God helped me I cannot remember her name, but she was wearing a gray leather jacket and

She she sat that she was very drunk by the time we got there me and my two friends And we were sitting on the couch, and you had chicken tenders I at your New Year's Eve. You had chicken tenders and caviar Yeah, and I was like if ever there was a doubt that this is my number one girl I said absolutely there were so many chicken tenders and couldn't possibly the thin people could have any of them Shout out sweet chick. I'm seeing thin people standing around not touching a chicken tender I get in there I go get me about six of those. Maybe I try to make a whole buffet style of just luxury foods.

Cause I was like, what's New Year's? What do we have to bring in 2025? I was like a little caviar with chicken tenders. With chicken tenders. And then we had tint fish. I mean that's what the kids like. A delicious lilac cake was it? It was a coffee, but there was like,

this person who made my cake is like so phenomenal. Just like people are getting really creative with tastes. I don't know, it was like coffee and then something floral. I mean it was- Lavender or something. There was some kind of floral. It was gorgeous. It was gorgeous. It was amazing. It was gorgeous, darling.

And this girl was so drunk by the time she came over to talk to us. And she, we go, she was like walking over to me, and we go, you look amazing, love your outfit. And she was like, I to me go you look amazing love your outfit And she was like I'm gonna tell you something and then she goes on like truly a 45 minute principled rant about How she got the jacket from? This thrifting site that she was like don't tell anyone about the site like it's really good stuff on there But like I'm just telling you guys cuz we're friends. We've just met yeah, and I'm like

Secret is like yeah, she was like she was like don't tell anyone about this site, but like between people who are close, like us, like we're close. Between people who are close. This is Red Girl's bathroom. This is like, I will literally fight for you. I just met you. I was like, I would die for you. And it was so, I'm on by the, probably by this point my 17th chicken tender. As you should. I'm just like gnawing on it. I was like, absolutely, queen. And she was giving us the scoop that was my big takeaway

I there was a lot of really cool people at my party that I like so what I did was it was kind of like a Bachelorette situation where I just invited I was told my friends I was like just invite hot people that may or may not be interested in me and So it ended up being like maybe too many and I felt like I had to give the rose So and then I ended up nothing happened. I many and I felt like I had to give the rose to someone and then ended up nothing happened I didn't even have a New Year's kiss. So it was Barbie. It was an exercise in futility So many people were clamoring over you at that party my friends. Oh Yeah, the other ones I don't know

Come to find out you shouldn't do that You should have just you know Tell like 10 people just bring anyone who you think might might might be interested in me and give me a New Year's kiss. Cause they, none of them did. And then there were people talking to me all night that I was just like, is this that, is that not? So it was just the bachelor. I didn't work.

So, um, but the fun part was the friendship. Yeah, I guess the friendship and the caviar baby. Don't you feel my idea? I was just saying to someone earlier today, my My ideal evening is that I get to hang out with my friends for most of it And then just at the 11th hour I get laid. Oh, do you know what I mean? Just amazing just like right when we're about to leave the bar And because then you get to have the whole experience with the people that you love them Oh, yeah, and then and then you fuck somebody and that's yeah, why not? Why not? Why not? Come on?

Do you have you've ever done stand-up? Oh, no I think you'd be good at it. I kind of think so too I think everyone thinks they'd be good at stand-up Why not? Why not? Come on. Have you, you've ever done standup? Oh no. I think you'd be good at it. I kind of think so too. I think everyone thinks that they'd be good at standup. Yeah. It's like, everyone thinks that they'd be really funny at like standup, but I do think so.

I think that I would have to get over my fear of honesty. Yeah. To like a public room and being like, you know, being very vulnerable, which you know, I tend to do that anyways and then I regret it immediately. So that would be kind like, you know, being very vulnerable, which, you know, I tend to do that anyways, and then I regret it immediately. So that would be kind of, you know, I would definitely do a lot of things that would be making fun of myself. So I mean, you know what, there's not much to say. What do you mean to make fun of? What are we going to say about Barbie? I mean, my hair is just too luscious. Sorry, TV star, film star, Broadway

star. How we tell, okay, you tell people how your Broadway era was? It was so fun. Okay, so I Started I think was October that I went to New York and I had this like incredible meeting with like Leslie Headland and trip Coleman who the director and playwright of this like incredible play and I was just like yeah I could totally do that. It's like totally like I'm of course. I mean it's acting. I mean, this is what I do Yeah, I showed up to the rehearsal I totally do this, like totally, like I'm, of course. I mean, it's acting. I mean, this is what I do. I showed up to the rehearsal. I have never in my life been more nervous

because I had no idea what I was doing. And thankfully with a team of people, you know, it was so, I just learned. I mean, even the first day of rehearsal, I was like, okay, I need to express myself more and be like, whoa, you know, and then it just kind of grew into this really, just, it was a lot, it was six days a week and I just kind of like went to boot camp, like acting boot camp,

and I was like, okay, how do I, you know, I just went from doing like a bunch of indie movies where it's very small. It's so small. It's small. Your reactions are very, the camera catches everything. Yeah, I'm very excited. And then on stage you have to be like, oh no, like it's ridiculous.

And it felt silly at first because I was like, am I overacting? I'm so used to like, you know, less is more. And in theater, it's not that you had to do more, like per se, but it's just like really like letting the audience into the story is what like Tripp would always tell us. And you know, it was amazing,

cause it was like a huge ensemble. So people really, you know, helped me out and they were great. And it ended up, you know, I was loud as hell. I truly I doubt you'd have a problem going big you feel very capable of going big. I'm like my friend Barbie she can take up some space. Well with acting I'm always playing like a really shy character so I it's actually kind of weird whenever I do I mean especially in the past few projects that I've done it's like every time I am really creating a

character it comes from a place of a lot of shyness and kind of just being more internal. And this one I kind of played a version of a girl who, which by the way, bitch, I dressed something, Caleb. Something really big. You didn't come to my play. Caleb. All right, now it's my podcast.

Barbie. Yeah, Caleb. Barbie, what are you doing? I know. What are you doing? All right now it's my podcast yeah What are you doing? I know what are you doing? I'm like talking about my timing Barbie don't know I know I know You may write something to address something and then you look at me like is she gonna say I knew it I said yeah, that's why I came here all for this you say a lot of gay slurs in private. Oh Let's talk about it you need to tell the bisexual community that I'm good Caleb's great Let's talk about it. You need to tell the bisexual community that I'm good Caleb's great

And he doesn't mean it there's no malice in his heart, there's no malice in his heart he just has some opinions He's doing his own research. He's asking questions some questions that we all need answering. We need the answers. Thank you. Like why? Let me ask you. Okay. Do you want to hear a story about an embarrassing thing you might not even know about? About me? Yeah. I, your birthday party a couple years ago at some restaurant in LA. Yes. Do you remember this? Yes.

Like, outside-ish? Yes, yes. And you invited me, you said, I think you texted me and said, you're the most important person in my life, I don't know what to do without you if you don't come to the dinner, something like that. And so I came to the dinner and I was sitting next to someone, I am bad at faces. Okay, let's start there. I'm bad at faces I will know someone I will know so much about someone and I will not remember what their face looks like Okay, I get caught up in a conversation for like 45 minutes with this wonderful young woman. Okay, is she British? Yes

Is she British? Yes. I'm chatting with this beautiful young British woman and I'm chatting and she's ripping cigarettes and she's so fabulous and I'm going, God, Barbie has the coolest friends, you know? And I go, after a while of chatting, we're talking about life or whatever, I go like, I got, what are you doing in LA? What brought you out here? You know, cause she's British. And she goes, I make music.

I'm a pop star, babe. I already know exactly where this is going. I go, oh, what's British and she and she goes I make music. I'm a pop star bag. I already know exactly where this is going I go. Oh, what's your name? She goes Charlie Who's Charlie XCX We went to karaoke and she did the first song and I was like well I was drunk by then you know, it was I honestly was like giving I was giving like background dancer singer for her But but I was but yeah Okay, I was like listen. I'm gonna give it my all even though. I'm not miss pop star over there She true I was like and I was it taken by her

I was like this is such a fabulous young woman that I've met this fabulous British young woman Everyone's taken by her dumb fuck. It's Charlie XCX. I'm just so charming and by the way love her music I've known her work for a long time Boom clap for real, but I don't know I'm bad with faces and I felt so when she said when she said Charlie I went Okay, well wait, will you tell them I do know one thing about your play and we do what you do Will you do for us your one singing line? Oh my god! Okay, on Broadway, I did sing.

I did and it was one line. And by the way, it's a play with music, so almost everyone else sang, except for me. I did kind of luck out on that one because I'm not known to have the finest voice. But I tried and I'm... No, let's lock it, lock it, lock it, lock it. Lock in, lock in. What the hell am I doing here? Yeah, let's go! I sang on Broadway. So if anyone has anything to say, that shit was on Broadway eight times a week. So you had your New York era. I did, four months. And how did it feel? It felt great. I got to see my mom a week. So you had your New York era. I did four months. How did it feel? It felt great. I got to see my mom a lot. I got to see my grandma. You're from New York

I'm from New York still lives there. Yes, so my mom has um, so she lives like about an hour away from the city So she would every Sunday for those who are privy to the Broadway tea. We have Mondays off. Yeah ever heard of Broadway, um Sunday night. We had these, for the last couple, last few weeks we had like Sunday matinees only and then at night. So I went to see my mom. It was really sweet. I got to see a lot of my friends, a lot of them that like, go down from Jersey to come see my play.

The real people showed up. Yeah. The real inner circle showed up. The inner circle, the people that I actually care about and love did show up Some of the other people didn't come through didn't come through really fuck and that's okay because it's never to be seen again Because it is a live show. Yeah, so anywho It was really wonderful, and it was just really fun I mean by the time I got the hang of it. It was fun. Can I interrupt you really quick Barbie?

I mean yeah, when was the when was the last time you came through to one of my shows you remember? Oh, you know what let's talk about it. I have came through to one of my shows? Do you remember? Oh, you know what? Let's talk about it. I have been to a bunch of your shows. Let's talk about it. Let's talk about it. No, I'm ready to talk about that. Because how did we exactly meet, Caleb? Just by random?

By chance? No. I was there laughing at your set. What the show? Really, where? It was in LA. You should do those monthly shows, no? Yeah, you did come to some big wigs. Fuck.

Fuck! This is humiliating! This is honestly exposing people for who you truly are. To showing who I truly am. I mean, Caleb's a sweetheart on the pod. All smiles and joy. And then, just nefarious. Bad vibes. Yeah. I knew that eventually this would come out and I never thought I wanted to break it to everyone. I know that's huge

It's huge. I mean this sucks. I'm such a big fan, but you're really destroying me right now I got I don't know if you could come back from this and I've been a huge fan of yours for so long I mean a lot of people they know you from this that or the other they've known you know, they know you this that or the I you know all your work that you've done, I hear. Now you know you've been in things like, such as, you know, or whatever. Such as that one thing, remember? Oh God, you were.

No, you were on the, oh my God. Oh, that one. Are you, yeah. I get that a lot, I get people being like, you're from. But. And I think I love. But I get that, I do that too.

Sometimes I'm like, I know this person, but I don't know what show they're on. Well, I know what I know you from though. Because I want to tell you, I've been a fan of yours for so long, most people are kind of new to you. I loved you when you were playing Patty in Grease. Oh my god! Shut up! Shut up! And I have a picture here. No you don't!

Of you playing Patty in Grease! Oh my god! And you were so good! I mean, I'm expressing myself. Whoa. Oh my God, look at her! I love her! Can I say that my high school drama club came to see the play. By the way?

By the way, they all came from New Jersey. A bunch of 15, 16, 17 year olds made their way to go see my play. And I was telling them about this, and this isn't as far as I got at the Hackensack High School Drama Club honestly this is about as far I mean obviously what you guys heard before was wonderful my singing but it wasn't up to par with you know the musical. It wasn't up to par with this. No so I had all the non-singing roles as I do now so it's kind of makes sense. I wish I knew her. She was a mess. She was a mess. What she's 15 there Yeah, she was a mess. She was just but she was happy to be there. She was happy to be there

Yeah, look at me. I look very concerned. What was high school like for you? High school sucked for me really I had to talk to those kids and they were like so high they literally asked me like How was your high school experience? I was like I was like, how do I put this nice, I was like, what? It was like four years for sure, and I definitely finished it. Oh man, were there classes? There were classes and teachers and students, students everywhere. You name it, yeah.

Yeah, you name it. Peers? My high school experience was, well, I was pretty to myself. I didn't really, I hung out with maybe a couple people, especially Hannah Demuro, shout out, that's my bestie. She's in Jersey and she's like this incredible nurse, getting married soon, yes.

But me and her were besties and then I kind of just kept to myself a lot. I did, just like a very mysterious girl. Really? Yeah. I love that. I think I was just too freaky. I always had bits that I would bring to school like you're very funny I you are legitimately very funny. You're doing bits. Okay in middle school. I

Decided to bring around a severest Snape cutout Starting to get a picture To get a picture I I'm starting to get a picture. I had like a really like choppy haircut that was like dyed black and I would bring my Severus Snape cut out. I'm pretty sure I made a Facebook for him too. It was, I mean it was hilarious. You made a Facebook page for your Severus Snape cut out?

I'm living for her. Yeah, yeah. I love that. That's kind of the vibes that I gave in school. I always had this ongoing bit with nobody. So it was just kind of an inside joke that never. An inside joke just for me. Just a woman only child.

So I really entertained myself a lot. Were you dating? No. Well, towards the end of high school, I made some bad decisions and started dating a little bit But I was really like a late bloomer like I had my first kiss at 16 Like just you know, I was a senior in high school because I was a little bit young. Yeah, so I mean I wasn't dating Towards the end of high school I was like I'm a bad girl

I'm gonna go to New York and I'm gonna party and I'm gonna be in the art scene in New York and like I which I Did and I did do that and so I would just like kind of sneak out of school and start doing like bad girl things I go to the club, you know, and we can't go to the club. You can't go to the club No, not a 16. You can't do it can't be happening Well, yeah, but I mean it happens and it wasn't but so that's kind of is why I'm like really stay inside I just feel like I kind of have was outside too much when and why did you move to LA? I moved to LA because of euphoria so when we started shooting was probably Seven years ago. I've been in LA for a long time actually now that I think about it, but

We shot it all in LA so the pilot we shot in LA I was staying at the standard West Hollywood rest in peace rest in peace. What a place Yeah, what a place beautiful Beautiful beautiful I start crying Like quit playing games and just like Open it back up. Yeah, any who's we stay there for like a month and then I'm and then when the show got picked up I moved to LA. I just like packed my bags I quit modeling and just like everyone does and you know I made my way to Los Angeles to Hollywood and I

Have been here since and so you've been here since and you have you have so many wonderful people in your life out here How did you meet Ben the painter? I'm not bad. You're bestie my bestie He literally is this morning was like you better mention me really yeah, I knew he'd want to be on here literally Classic he literally you better mention me. I met Ben through a mutual friend when I moved to LA. Actually, when I moved to Silver Lake, we were, I was, I had, this is so dark, but I had this like,

this apartment that had mold in it, so I had to leave. It was just me, my severed snake cut out, and my mold. And so the mold is no joke in LA. Let's talk about that too. So I had to move really quickly so I moved to my friend's building and then Ben had just moved to LA So then we all like you know me and Ben just became really close and now like we basically live together And we like share life. I kind of he's so wonderful I love Ben. He's insane though. Ben. I love you, and I want one of your paintings. Let's talk. Oh, let's talk

Ben let's talk. Do it on the pot. He'll do it'll do it Let's talk Ben you if you talk to him he will Ben Give me a piece so really you can convince them. I'll pay I'll pay 50% to 25% of what you probably charge That's just an estimation. I want to look at the price and then we'll talk and then we'll talk No, his paintings are so good. I know you want it's beautiful gave it to you Well, he does this thing one. It's beautiful. Gave it to you. Well, he does this thing where every year he takes, yeah.

Huh? The perks of having a husband. So just so I know what's possible. Yeah, there's a lot of things possible in there. Your best friend. My best friend. Well, he does this thing where every year he will take the, when I'm not home, because I, you know, sometimes I'm working outside of LA, I will come back home and the painting

will be gone, but then place of it will be a new painting in his new era. So, and then his new thing is every year he's like, I hated that painting. Every year. It has been six years of me coming home thinking I'm going to see the painting that I have and then he paints over it. Oh, he's painting over it? I think so. Oh my God. He paints over it. My friends don't do anything for me. I can't understand artists. They don't my friends don't do anything for me No, I need friends like that. I just give you paintings and then have a neurotic like breakdown about it Just think of me. I have people in my life. I love gifts. I love giving like Thoughtful gifts. You don't get any thoughtful gifts. I do I'm just being silly. I but I'm not a gift giver though We don't give gifts. I'm not a gift giver. I and when I receive a gift, I'm always well, thank you, but it's not the my love language. It's not my love language. I'm quality time

I love quality time is my biggest thing. Mine is words affirmation. I need to be affirmed. Yeah Oh a little bit too much. I'll work it on it. I'll affirm you anytime. I'm right now. What do you look at? Well, you're gorgeous. You're talented. You're you're funny. You're actually so funny I think people who don't know you personally would be really, like they would hang out with you for a night and be like, why the fuck is Barbie so funny? That's why, honestly that's amazing. I wanna see you in more comedic things.

I would love to do it. Because I think you're so, obviously you're so good at, you're such a good actor, but I wanna see you, I wanna see you do more comedic things. I would love to do it. You're beautiful, you're grounded, you have really good people around you, which is always a green flag.

That's a great compliment. Yeah, and your friends too are like, I feel like they're right or dies. Yes, I have like a big loyalty thing with like everyone in my life. I'm loyal to a fault. You really are. Yeah.

I think people say that, and then it's like you sometimes don't see it in the evidence, but I see it in the evidence. Yeah, I like to have people that I trust and that I love and that I know even and you Know they're the bad pros and cons of them. I mean because I'm not exactly You know an angel all the time. Yeah Come on

My shoulder, what's wrong with being a little devilish just a little bit what so okay, so I'm trying to keep myself on track here What so okay, so I'm trying to keep myself on track here Because you and I will do we have we moved LA to do you for you And then is you for you the first like big thing that kind of hits for you Does you feel that's when your life changes? Oh, yeah, and then okay. Tell me about that So then you're in it and you're like famous and well, what the fuck? Yeah, that's insane Can we just say that's insane really insane? and I don't think I was well before I was like a model and I was doing like kind of like, I was hosting a lot of stuff. So like I had like this like little broadly like VICE show and like all this.

And let me tell you something, did not prepare me for this. I don't think that I really... I honestly, I didn't really even enjoy it, which is kind of the sad part. It's like I thought like I just... I didn't even enjoy it, which is kind of the sad part. It became so scary because it's just so many people are randomly tuning in to what I'm doing, what my life is, everything. So it wasn't as fun as I... But I was also really young.

I also think it's almost impossible for people to say, just enjoy it. I think it's impossible when you're not a fully fledged out human being. It took a while for me to get a hang of it. It was very fun and very crazy and a whirlwind. It definitely changed my life a lot. But before that, it was my first acting job. My first acting job was a lot of guest spots and stuff like divorce. And then I did this one line in a movie that got cut.

Fuck. I had to tell the kids and the high school drama club addicts, I was like, listen to me kids, they're gonna cut you. Had you bragged to people about the role? No. Had you told people? See, because that's a mistake you'll make at the beginning is where you'll be like, oh my God, I'm in such and such.

And then it gets cut and you're like, everyone forget that, forget that, forget that. Don't ever mention it again. Do not yeah. Yeah no no it happens I mean acting is just that's what it's like it's just you literally are always just there's you don't know what's gonna happen. Dude I had one of those recently where I filmed a scene pretty funny scene for Mr. and Mrs. Smith on Amazon and And I like flew to New York for it and fucking like did the whole scene with Maya Erskine who is lovely by the way. So nice. It was my first time meeting her and I was like I would die for this person.

Did the whole scene and then I like told people about it. I was like yeah I'm in the new Mr. and Mrs. Smith. Just one scene but it's like for a comedian, for a stand up it's like those, we kind of those one scenes are like our thing. You know what I mean? Yeah you can steal the whole episode. You kind of hope for it. It's like I go work for one day, I get's like for a comedian, for a standup, it's like those, we kind of, those one scenes are like our thing. You know what I mean? Yeah, you can steal the whole episode.

You kind of hope for it. It's like I go work for one day, I get a really good shot at being funny. That shit was cut, wasn't it? Oh, it was cut. And they kept, they kept like, they kept like one line from my voice and still credited me.

Yeah. That's the worst, Caleb! I've been there. If you pause it, my headshot still pops up. So people were DMing me and I was pissed. I'll be honest, for a minute I was livid at the Mr. and Mrs. Smith team in Amazon. And then a couple weeks after, I was still so mad about it.

And then I got the residual check and I said, hey, no worries. I said, hey, thanks for keeping that line in, y'all. Literally. That's just the way the cookie crumbles, darling. I know, but I'm so mad. Really it's like a constant ego death, I think, which has been really fun for me. I kind of love putting myself in, I kind of get off on putting myself in situations that

are just terrifying. Yeah. But like in public speaking or acting, performing, like all that, for some reason, it keeps me alive. What's been that for you recently? Broadway for sure. Yeah. That was every night having to perform That's that's got to be scary too because like you're a person who like you have a fan base in it

Like you have an audience like people are going to come see you do this because they love you And it's a whole new thing like was that scary? Was that scary it was but I but I wasn't one of them is that what you were trying to I'm like some yeah Okay, cool I didn't catch that but then I saw the face you made and I realized you were trying to drag me again The question was was it scary to do a Broadway show like a first It was extremely scary and I had just gotten back from also another thing I did was scary is I did a rom-com in Montreal and I was naked in it naked soundsaked. Sounds great, love it. Yeah,

but that was like another like, another like, okay we're gonna face our fears and we're gonna, you know, serve body in the nude and it was very fun. So I did that and then I went to Broadway. So I was just kind of like, just like my adrenal glands are just like out. Like I've just been like so like, I just been I don't know doing things that like push me It's been like really scary I'm like I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it How do you okay? So but at a pretty I feel like it was a pretty young age for you that all of a sudden now people are like

Commenting on everything you do. Yes that had to be so and by the way Any of this can be cut if you if there's anything that comes up that you're like, I don't really wanna talk about that, work on it. But the sheer influx of commentary from strangers on your work life, your appearance, like who you're seen out with, what you're doing, how did you manage that? Or how do you manage that? That's gotta be fucking psycho.

It's hard because I think what also happens is it evolves into different things. I've been modeling since I was 16. So I'm 28 now. And for me, my body and what I say has been taken out of context from everything I've – like every single thing I do, it has – because I was a model. And I totally take that and I accept it. And that was my job, was my appearance.

So what was hard for me is I started at such a young age being a model and what I was selling was the way that I look and what I have. And thankfully people listened to what I had to say, which was really cool. And I got to say all these things that I still believe in. And I'm very proud of my thoughts on how people perceive women and all these things

when I was a teenager. But I think it's so hard because now as an actor, and I'm 28, I'm like, I am not a model. And having to hear things about that just don't matter to me, which is things I don't have to do with my work or my integrity or my creativity, my acting. You know what I mean? So I've evolved in my career as being a model who is like,

that was what my product was, was like what I look like, and that was what I, not necessarily, but I was modeling clothes, I was selling things on my body, so I totally understand the conversations being had back then, but as I evolve and I get older, it just feels so exhausting. And at this point in my Life and my career. I kind of have

Just realized that like no matter what I do people are going to hate me and have something to say about it And it's and hopefully let's hope I'll have a long career where you know I will go through so many different iterations of myself and my craft and what I find important to talk about at the time and what I wanna work on and the stories that I wanna work on. So I think it's just part of, unfortunately, the whole thing. So I mean, it's not bad.

It's fine. I can live with it. I think it's just more, it's just interesting how it evolves. It's always something that I hadn't thought about before so it does keep me on the toes the haters the haters do keep me on the toes they keep me thinking they keep me thinking a little bit too much um you know it's funny is I've always had people always talk about me I mean I've been on like I've been on the internet like as a model since I was 16 and I was a bathing suit

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And I was just like literally like, yeah, I'll put some bikini on. I was just on New York, I was like, I'll put a bikini on. I was walking around like, I didn't even know. I'm walking in. I'm walking in, baby. I'm in a bikini, I'm with. I'm in a bikini, I'm with. I'm in a bikini, I'm with.

So I just remember that day I had no idea. I think that was the start of like, you know, and this is my, like, this is what I have to deal with for the rest of my life as long as I'm in the public space. Whatever, I'll take it. Yeah, you're very generous though, because even I do think even when you say like, oh I started as a model, like my appearance was the product or whatever,

I still don't think that that entitles people to make negative comments about your body. It's like the free, I mean, you know, I get a lot of them, not on the scale that you have received anything, but the free, the freeness with which people feel like they can just remark on your body is like, why? Well, what's interesting is that I've been noticing because I've been in different cities and the way that people talk to me on the street has kind of, you know, it's, I feel like in LA, I like, there's way bigger first or fry,

there's Brad Pitt at the coffee shop, no one's like checking for me. But when I was in other places, the way that people would talk to me, it's like I'm not a person, it's like, this, this and that, just saying something about my life that they know and like screaming it across the room.

And I'm like, I'm like, hi, hello. You're getting a newspaper, they're like, euphoria! Literally, and it would be like same things that I'm like, what are you, like, whoa, whoa, I'm just having a drink here, you know? So it's interesting that people have, I think that some people just don't think of me as a person, which, listen, I used to love, like, I used to love fanfare, I'm a Brazilian. people have you know I think that some people just don't think of me as a person which listen I

Used to love like I used to love fanfare. I'm a Brazilian. It's in my blood. I understand Okay, it's a Brazilian quality. It's a Brazilian quality quality to be a mega fan I've been a mega fan of many things and I understand that like I really do This is like a process of like 12 years of like understanding like you know the way that people think and a lot of people just this sounds so cliche, but people are just so sad Yeah, they're sad and and it makes them feel better to like make fun of other people and it's like it once I really understood That deeply I think and it is not personal to me and it's like it could be anything Like it could literally be anything and they would like, you know, I'm a woman in the public like and people will say something about me so I the more I understand that deeply the more I just feel not empathy because it's not like I'm like poor poor haters of mine like you know like oh my poor hate

yourselves okay oh my haters can go fuck but not really but you know I hope there's like I understand what's happening and especially now. I feel like the Internet is I Just feel like it's just an escape for people to hate Yeah I think so too and I think something I've really spent a lot of time thinking about is like the so many people spend their Their life and it's not necessarily their fault But it's like something that's fed to us so many people spend their whole life Restricting themselves and they don't they don't they don't eat things they don't want to eat And they don't hang out with people they don't want to hang out with and they don't say things they restricting themselves and they don't they don't they don't eat things

They don't want to eat and they don't hang out with people They don't want to hang out with and they don't say things they want to say and they don't wear what they want to wear And they don't allow themselves to go out of these very strict boundaries of like normalcy Yeah And so anytime they see someone like if they if they see a fat person finding themselves sexy or if they see You know like a trans person expressing themselves in a different kind of dress, like a tie, or if they see a musician making weird choices.

Anything that goes outside of that box, the real thing that's getting at them is, it's like a how dare you thing. And the place that comes from is like, man, I wish I could be free. It's the shame. Yeah. It's like, oh, I wish I could be free.

How dare you be free in front of me when I can't be free? And it's like, well, you could. Shame is how dare you be free in front of me when I can't be free And it's like well you could shame is a prison. Yeah, shame is a prison It's I truly believe that I think like and you know I'll say this for a little later when you ask me a certain question Because this is my perhaps so true Not a spoiler what's so true to you? Oh my god already do it now, okay? I really think that being cringy We need to we need to stop that we need to stop the idea of cringe We it has been in my and me too. I'm you know a

Zillennial I mean I was Gen Z up until a couple years ago when they change it to 97 Oh, they changed the goalposts and now all of a sudden. They changed the goalposts So just how have you all know I am Gen Z in my head always. But you know, I think there's this thing where people who, I think a lot of younger people too were growing up in this thing where we're just so scared of being embarrassing. And I'm like, who cares?

Life is so fun when you're embarrassing. It's so fun when you're not in the shame prison that I just mentioned before. And it's like, it just feels when you're not like in the shame prison that I just mentioned before and it's like, you know It just feels like you you you can't make any moves because you start I think there's like a third person like I look at internet voice and everyone's head now who's like chronically online Which by the way, it's I mean just young people. My mom is on YouTube shorts all day So, you know, it's like Queen Queen Queen Jonna subscribe to so true, please Queen. Yeah, please Queen

But I showed her the the episode with your mom. Oh, she cried. She loved it. I loved it. That's so sweet. But yeah, I just feel like shame is getting in the way of a lot of happiness. I love creativity. If you want to be happy, you have to climb Cringe Mountain.

You got to climb Cringe Mountain. You have to. Listen, I've had to go through a lot of like cringe ego death because it's the way one grows up It's like everyone's just making fun of each other. They're all like, you know calling like oh, this is bad This is like, you know, this is what it should be. Yada. Yada So I just for me what's so true is to be cringy. Also, I 100% agree it's something we've talked about on this show before but I also think like 100% agree. It's something we've talked about on this show before but I also think like

They're striving at being cool is the least cool thing you can do You have to adopt a personal philosophy that whatever you do is cool because you do it exactly you bring the cool to stuff It's like if you're trying to wear stuff because it's cool If you're trying to listen to stuff because it's cool because you right through you people can see through it And it's like that's fine. You can participate in trends. I'm not saying never participate in a trend I definitely as soon as people got rid of skinny jeans I switched it up. You know what I mean? You didn't want to be the last one on that bandwagon I could be dying on that hill

But I'm saying like just generally being like what I'm into is cool Like there's there's that thing of like what's actually really cool is people having fun and enjoying themselves. I think it's so cool I actually think it's not only so true, but so cool. So true and Barbie show is coming soon. So cool with Barbie Ferreira. So true and so cool. That's our collab. Wait. Wait.

Wait. The Barbie Ferreira shame prison episode. The shame prison episode. So cool. It's like 10 ways to, but it's like, I always get those YouTube videos on my recommended. There's like 10 ways to master your mind. It's like some bald guy.

It's a bald guy looking intensely at you. And are you tapping in? Yeah, I'm tapping in. I'm watching. Wait, can I just say what I've been watching? I wish you would. Okay, I have to say something. I've been watching the Beast Games.

No. Yeah. As a, okay. Are you eating feastables? I'm not. I'm sponsored by Mr. Beast today. Let's go. I'm here for our collab. I don't, okay, the amount of money that this show is giving out

and the, I just have to talk about this. This has to be... Speak on it. The fact that it was literally, within two, three episodes, it turned into a religious cult. It devolved completely into a religious cult it was beautiful I think this is what humans do when we're in one when we're in the city was called gag city obviously that's Nicky's the Beast City of course the city used to work for mr. beast oh my god okay I love that show literally send my regards to mr. beast. Send my regards to Mr. Beast. Send kisses to the chef, because it is truly, just watching it for how humans just, how we are just human.

There's always these pillars of society that we, like the fact that it's a religious cult within two, three episodes, people are starting to, people's's like people's value is like their morality. Like you don't know these people, they're all lying. It's fascinating. It's amazing. And it's so much money. And I like that.

That's why I liked Alone because you get a million dollars at the end of it. So I'm like, I want to see some real high stakes because reality shows these days don't even have money. They just win nothing. You just win the opportunity to be on TV. Yeah. The circle of like love and whatever. What's the prize is just win nothing. Yeah. You just win. You just win the opportunity to be on TV. Yeah, the circle. With Howie Mandel. You know, like the circle of like love and whatever. What's the prize is just like respect.

Yeah. We think what you did was pretty funny. Yeah, exactly. That's it. That's all. There's no prize. I love a prize. I'm not watching any of that, but I really understand it.

I really understand it. I'm sorry that I am low brow. I'm sorry. No, it's all immediately Lord of the Flies. Yeah. Everything is Lord of the Flies. It's insane. It always happens. There's always a leader. sorry. No, it's all immediately Lord of the Flies. Yeah. Everything is Lord of the Flies. It's insane. It always happens.

There's always a leader. It's just, it's, it's. If you put a group of humans in a room and you say, hey, guys, this is the Be Normal Challenge. You have one week to be normal. By the end of it, there will be somebody will be dead. There'll be an aluminum hat. And there will be a new type of politics

that's like the craziest thing you've ever heard. Yeah, and there's like weird like music chants that have been created. It's just it all and then it's beautiful. I'm so excited for episode 10. Who will win? What? I can't wait for episode 10. Who will win? I'm secretly being sponsored by Mr. Beast. Dude, that is so fucking funny. I just had to talk about it because I spent my whole day yesterday just watching in complete just, just wow. It's great. I mean, I think that all actors should watch it.

Dude, I'm getting, the only thing I'm doing on YouTube is I'm getting blazed out of my mind. Excuse you, it's on Prime. Sorry, my bad. I'm getting blazed out of my mind going on YouTube and searching like, Origins of human evil philosopher explain. Oh my god, oh my god and I'm just being like right it's like 10 hours of Carl Young literally I am not kidding I will I also watch a lot of physics videos because I read a book well that would scare me yes I did read a book just letting everyone know first of all I read a book a couple months ago and Solaris and it was about a sentient ocean in like a

Whatever there's like a Russian movie. It's really great. You did not read this book. I did I sure did It was I don't know the ocean had feelings It's a sentient ocean I can tell you the whole plot, we're gonna quiz you Come on let's go An astronaut, like anthropologist, whatever, whatever He goes I can tell you the whole plot if you want

whatever astronaut or anthropologist he goes to this island this planet yeah barbie you're crumbling I'm illiterate I'm lying I'm lying anyway there's a sentient ocean

and it really freaked me out because I'm like can aliens be oceans fuck and fuck fuck and they mind control like can aliens be oceans? Fuck. And... Fuuuck. Fuuuck. Fuuuck. Fuuuck. Fuuuck. Fuuuck. Fuuuck. And they mind control.

But you wouldn't even... There's levels of shit. You don't even understand. You're like, Caleb, please. You son me. Please, please, please. Please, please, please. Anyway, physics.

So now I have been falling asleep to just like hours of people explaining the fabric of space and time and I think I finally understood. Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! And I just want you to know, I got it. I got it. All this is to say think I finally understood. Ha ha ha ha! Yeah! Ha ha ha ha! And I just want you to know, I got it. I got it. All this is to say, I got it.

What do you think? Well I think it's fucking scary. Okay, that I believe. And it has been freaking me out because I'm like, okay, what are you talking about that, like, space is literally like density, like gravity is just like how heavy the planet is, bro. Dude!

Anyway, I do smoke a lot of weed. What? Yeah, just a a lot of weed what yeah, I know that's why I watch those Why I hope you weren't going into this bone sober. Well, no, I'm not I did not do you think you're good at giving advice? I think so or answering question. Okay, but on your headphones. Okay, let's do we have a segment for you Let's see if you can help them out okay I'm so excited okay hi Caleb this is Angelica from Washington State and I want to know the truth about how to get over someone successfully we're not trying to do shortcuts we're not trying to skimp on anything how do you get over someone successfully girl Let me know, I'm fine. Girl, let me know. Girl, if you find out, give us a call.

I feel like shortcuts are the only way through, baby. Oh, yay, yay. Obviously, you have to read self-help books and travel alone. He pray love. The best way to get over somebody else is to get under somebody new. I want that to be wrong so bad. But look. I want it to be wrong so bad. I want it to be wrong

But look look at that look let's take a look at the evidence the evidence is it's working. It's working Unfortunately, that is a shortcut. I think that what I think I I always mention it eat pray love because when I went through my big breakup I Was like I was on my like, I was not actually solo traveling, but the vibe was me. Like the solo traveler vibe. I was basically a woman in her van vlogging every day. But really in reality I was just in LA.

Here's what I'll say. It was a fun time to be on your close friends. Oh! Hi! Close friends of mine? I will say I see the people who ignore my close friends because they know I'm too much. It's not me. It's not you. It's not me. And it's not you. I will say I see the people who ignore my close friends because they know I'm too much It's not me. It's not you. It's not me. I'm reading them like texts

They and they are they should be kept in a diary you post it when you post a close friend story I go walk in lock in you gotta know what's going on. I stick around. Thank you. I check it out I say what's going on? I need an outlet like that is it's like for me like I Need an outlet on the internet and even if it's to 30 of my closest friends and Maybe a couple of my favorite pop stars. I just add in to see if they'll watch it Yeah, which they sometimes do sometimes do sometimes not and I'm like too much, but it's okay Overshare to Taylor Swift. I'm so happy that you're my close friends reply guy. I love it. Oh, I'm replying you do reply

I love it cuz I know that you actually pay attention and you're like you understand the arc of what I'm saying Yeah, I can sometimes almost guess something that you're going through just based on the meme You know, it'll be like a meme that has nothing to do and I'll be like Barbie stop seeing that guy Yeah, like I'll just walk in I'm like, I know what's going on You know exactly what happened the two-week situationship is over and so it's on the close friend God love us the two-week situationship sent from hell to destroy Yeah, that's like pretty much my whole New York Yeah, that's everyone's New York. I try yeah, New York is um you would think that it's so cold people would

Want they would cling to warm yeah clings to one another? No, they shun the warmth. Yeah, they. They want to be isolated. They do they really do I don't know, but yeah, I need you back out there. I'll come back to New York I now have to go to my mom's every Christmas because She decided upon it, so I'm gonna have to so I will be in New York all the time your mom Who my favorite thing you've said about your mom to me is that she just spends like all day cooking gourmet meals for her dog Yes, and now I have to do it. Wait, Caleb, okay! Let's talk about it. My mom cooked for my dog for four months every day. She's a private chef. She's no

longer really worried. She's like semi-retired. She cooked for him and her dog all day. So now guess what I'm doing at home? So my dog eats his little food. Wait, you're a sous chef. I had to make him peas, carrots, I made beef, like ground beef lean, my mom made me short, lean. Lean. And I cooked it in water, no oil, and I put it to his, and then I put it with a little bit of brown rice in his meal every day.

That's insane. Too much, too much. You're locked in with your dog. I have to, he won't eat if I don't do it. I mean, I love my animals, but this is a bit far. This is a bit far. He was having too much fun at Grandma's house Grandma Who's now in the Maldives like living her best life. She's fucking real Yeah, a lot of people aren't real anymore, but your mom is real. My mom is like a bit too real. She's some shit Well when she and I hang out privately as we often do you guys oh you find out we have like a secret private friendship

I believe it. My mom is like she is like it Growing up she was like the I believe it. I was like she is like it Growing up. She was like the it girl, and I was like her little emo son Choppy black hair You're like don't put the sorting hat on me she's like She's like Barbie, please please! I was like, literally, yes, I was like, and my mom was just like this bombshell, like tan, she would be blonde highlights, and just like, I kind of addressed how she would, you know, like going to PTA meeting, trying to be like, you know, not too flashy but still, like, still giving pot.

But still surrving down, yeah. So like, I would just always be like, like hating on her joy too. Hating on it. Hating, rooting on her downfall. Yeah, I would just be like, mom, why her joy too. Hating on it. Ruding on her downfall. I would just be like, mom, why are you so happy? Like, I was a nightmare. I'm glad I grew out of it. You're like, I wish I lived with Dumbledore.

Dumbledore! I didn't understand. I was like, literally, I loved Harry Potter growing up. And yeah, I did go to a convention. I went to a Harry Potter convention and I did listen to something called Wizard Rock. What house are you? Ravenclaw. You're Ravenclaw? Wow. Because I I read I would have pegged you as a Hufflepuff. I like Hufflepuffs

I don't like the like basicness of like the Gryffindor Slytherin like good versus evil like boo I want gray area. Yeah, I want gray area. I think Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff are the real winners It's not really about them. It's about the greater good. Crippendorn, Slytherin, ugh. Like, ugh, it's all about you. It's like, ugh, like they're like the jocks. It's like, ugh, we have a rivalry. I'm like, what about like the-

Who cares about Quidditch? Who cares? Sorry. I don't. How about me and the other kids are having fun with the invisibility cloak in the library? And we're just having a good time. And it's all about, yeah, we're like,

we're sneaking in to the private lab, you know, where they have all the bad books. Yeah. Yeah. You know who I would love to play in Harry Potter? Who? Hagrid. Hagrid! He fucking rocks, I love him. Oh my God, you have to get a big old dog.

He's cool as fuck, yeah, I get like dragons and shit. You're a wizard, Harry. Yeah, that's what I wanna be like. Yeah. Who would you wanna play? Can't say Hagrid, that's mine. Fuck sorry dude. Um sorry dude. You know who I really like I like Emma Thompson as the divinit divinit divinit divinate. I got no I haven't try him. I do speak for a living divination Divination professor yes tea leaves and she has like the kooky glasses.

She's crazy as fuck, she's like always up in their face. I like that, I like it. I love a witchy woman. I hope to be like a witchy woman with just like all of my like, my cloaks on towards the end of my life. Like there's lots of like jewelry, just like lots of it. I see that for you. Yeah, I hope so. I could also play Professor McGonagall, I think.

You would be great. Harry Potter! Harry Potter! See? Yeah. Oh hope so. I could also play professor McGonagall. I think you would be great Yeah, oh my god, we should do a two-person show that's Harry Potter themed that would make me claim it from that That would help us get laid First of all, we would get laid crazy He won't show being like do I want do I want to fuck Hagrid Or the divinity divination professor divination professor?

divination... Harry This is nothing better than doing like a specifically Harry Potter English accent Can we please do a one night only Harry Potter show? Yeah I actually would That would be fucking sick I would play I will play every we can Radio City Music Hall?

Yeah we'll just do like Black Box Theater like really stripped down Okay have like, Radio City Music Hall? Yeah, we'll just do it like, Black Box Theater, like really stripped down. Yeah, okay, different. I said Radio City Music Hall, you said Black Box, actually. I think this should be really stripped down. You're right, you're right. I think it should be an intimate night. You're right. I think it should be like, really, just absolutely.

No industry tastemakers. None. All fans. All fans. All fans. And fans of the theater. Exactly correct, fans of the theater. No, I'm on, I was on Broadway, so.

That's you now, I was on Broadway. Yeah, you ever heard of it? Give my regards to Broadway That's you know I was on Broadway Give my regards to Broadway my favorite thing about being on Broadway is that anytime I wanted to like if someone's like hey Like are you coming to this thing? I'm like, I'm sorry. I'm on Broadway I wish I could but it's eight shows a week But it's eight shows a week. You did that to me a couple times. I have changed it to the theater kid that I've locked up inside. I will say I texted you a couple times during the Broadway one to do something and you'd be like, Sorry man, you know how Broadway is.

I love doing that. I don't Barbie. It's just you babe. You know how it is. Eight shows a week. It was really cool to see who came. Well I have to say this because I have to I have to because it wasn't Kayla. I wish I had made it, dude I'm fucking sick about it. Can I just say that right? No, I hear a lot of it. You know I support you and like I miss like when you like when the flight was canceled So you missed my screening that was not that's actually legitimately out of my control. Where's the PJ? Where is the PJ you need to go to a 15 person screening at the Tribeca?

I want nothing more than to be at that screening are you kidding I was gonna bring a date to a day I was gonna bring a date again fuck fest it's a chic thing to do it's chic whenever whenever I get invited to something artsy I start sort of I go who am I what date am I taking to this probably have a segment for you oh I love a segment that's what I'm gonna read you 15 statements you're gonna tell me as quickly as you can if you think what I just said was true or false Okay, if you get ten or more correct, we're gonna give you 50 US dollars Let's go you ready. Oh my god. I'm so scared cuz I've seen people do really bad and really good I know and we had an episode earlier today where the person did I'm not I'm just they did really good

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I mean I know this of course Um, no I don't actually Uhhhh False False, it's midnight A group of frogs is called a flourish I love that, false? False, it's an army, how'd she do?

10! Congratulations babe I won the beast games Oh my god you did 10! 10! Congratulations babe! I'm gonna win the beast games! Oh my god you did! But instead of like $250,000 it's $50 on my favorite podcast! It's 50 US dollars! Oh my god stop!

Barbie! I'm really sorry about your show. I wish I had made it and I feel really sick about it. I didn't know you were gonna ambush me like this. We asked you to come on the podcast for a long time and you've you waited until now to bring this up Yeah, that's really I really wanted to see what you would say on camera Just that I'm sorry. I really want to show up for you. I Feel really sick about I'm sensing a performance in there Barbie

Look drop in a little more look Barbie drop in a little more. Okay, okay Barbie Look, I I really want Drop in a little more. Okay, okay. Barbie, look, I really wanna show up for you, okay? I see a little smile. Sorry. Sorry. I said drop into the character, darling. Okay, can you just give me like action? Okay, whenever you're ready, action.

Barbie, I'm sorry. I like that choice. Was that good? Yeah, it's like, it really reflected the shock. Yeah, it's like it really reflected the shock. Yeah, I'm sorry I'm sorry because I'm shocked that I could hurt you like that, you know, and you hurt me a lot I cried many many moves. Yeah, it's okay. I forgive you I I do forgive you today is when I was finally gonna ask you to go You know, you can do to make up for it. There's we got recorded for the

Lincoln Center thingy so you can go see it. Really? Yeah. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, what is this? At the library. Wow, this is, there's a library that they recorded for. What is it, Tage? Please help me out, because I'm on Broadway, I should know this.

Ha ha ha ha. Tage, what is it? The Lincoln Center, the New York Public Library. No, it's something, okay, we were recorded. Yeah. Prestigiously. Yeah. Prestigiously.

For... OBC the Lincoln Center Broadway Library well anyway, it's recorded and you can watch it, but you can only watch it twice. Whoa. Yeah, that's crazy Yeah, but it's there. I mean you it's not the same because it's like a screening No, I actually have never done this but from what I hear is that you like literally you can watch it at the library whoa you know what is it called you know and I can go in there and watch your show and I will be making sure that and I will quiz you after to watch watch it it's like video recorded yeah I am dead fucking serious chance do

not let me forget this I'm going to do that And then will we be good will be solid yeah, we consider it amended deal you have a deal Yeah, I'm gonna go and do this and I will report back to the listeners on On the show yeah post like the show is done and just give me notes Oh, I'm gonna be brutal. Yeah, I'm gonna be brutal if you make me you're making me go there I'm gonna be brutal. I'm making you go You're sending me like sit you down you have to watch it there, and I'm going to okay. I'm really going to chance Let's go together when you're in New York next I also want to talk about your new movie. Yeah, you know likes it

I'm so excited about it. It comes out in theaters February 21st in New York and LA March 21st March 21st, New York and LA and then wide release after that more cities if y'all see it if Y'all go to in New York and LA so New York and LA you need to step the fuck up It's actually such a sweet movie, and I'm not like I you love this movie I love this movie like in a real way no not in a work way Yeah, I this is my first movie that I did where I'm producing it and it was it's so sweet We did it for like such little like the tiniest budget in the world and it was so a labor of the heart And it's so sweet and it's so kind you could bring like your whole family to it

Which I think is like pretty like cool because I feel like a lot of things now are just like Which I love still which is like just more like shock value or a little bit more like risque and this one is just like all Heart no gimmick costarring The legend, absolute legend. I was a legend. Oh my god. How was it working with him amazing? I was like I wanted to get tea on everything like to on food and stuff, but I did it I was being cool. I was playing it cool, but he um, he's just he's an icon I literally like grew up watching I mean first of all Mulan route was like one of my favorite movies going out because theater kid and like, you know Just you know being ridiculous. I love Nicole Kidman but he's just he

was incredible it was really cool and I thought I felt so like intimidated because I was like it's just me and him basically and then of course there's like you know incredible other characters but like the the friendship that our characters have. The big bulk of it yeah. Yeah is that so it was so cool we're in Kentucky baby Louisville. Baby I remember when you were bulk of it, yeah. Yeah, is that. So it was so cool. And we were in Kentucky, baby, Louisville. Baby, I remember when you were filming this. Oh yeah. Because I was gonna maybe be going through Louisville and I was like, oh my God, can we hang out?

I do remember that. Do you remember? And I was like, what the fuck are you doing there? And then once again, you. You're like, I'm filming this movie. The show got canceled, Barbie, this one wasn't my fault. You have a lot of excuses.

I have a really complicated life is what I have. Okay, I forgive you. Thank you. I forgive you Honestly, I'm sure the listeners are gonna like it it's me getting a taste of my own medicine This episode is kind of like Dakota Johnson on Ellen. Yeah, like it's a little like you're giving it back Yeah, it's a little like people I think other other guests on the show will watch this and go thank God Someone had to say someone finally got that someone had to say it. I came in here with like a very like kind of like it You know a little bit too on the offense

I need to chill came in with a point and a purpose and I like it. Yeah, I need to chill No, I'm so glad I'm really excited about the movie You are I will say I I've seen the way that you light up about this one Like you're excited about it in a very genuine way and Yeah. And I really, I want people to go, and I'm excited to watch it. I can't wait for people to see it. Aw, thank you, Vic. It's going to be cool, dude.

It's so sweet. And it's like, it's very personal to me. And the director and writer is Tracey Layman. She, it's based off her life. And she, like, put her whole, like, life into it. It's so sweet. And it's just, it's one of those things where I am just, like, it's, it's a feel-good movie,

but also, like, very, like, it's a feel-good movie, but also very heartfelt and gritty in ways, but not in the way that you would expect. Especially, I feel like for me, I've been in euphorias like very sexy teenagers, you know? And then the things I've been doing, this is just so outside of what I'm used to, and it's a very emotionally demanding role and It was just a wonderful experience. We just shot it like but almost two years ago. It was Kentucky babe, I think you were in Kentucky. Oh my god things took long

Okay, because I've been I've been out here waiting for one day from one of my movies to come out. Let's see Yeah, thankfully Bob waiting for one day for one of my movies to come out. Let's see. Thankfully, Bob Torino. Oh. Breaking the mic. Yeah, I'm breaking everything here. But yeah, Bob Torino is so sweet.

And I'm really, everyone who's watched it has had a really great reaction to it. It's a kind of movie where people after will start thinking you're their therapist. And then you guys start talking about it. My dad when I was in middle school, yeah, it's like. No, no, no, Caleb, exactly. My mom's fiance said that when he went to the bathroom

during one of, I think it was like South By or like one of the screenings, there was a bunch of grown men just crying and trying to keep it together in the bathroom. I would love to see that. I never see grown men cry. You don't want to see the movie, you want to see the bathroom. Yeah, yeah, I'm like,

okay, how do we recreate the bathroom situation? The men crying in a bathroom. The men crying in a bathroom is actually like, that would move me, for sure. It's a very sweet movie, and it's so outside of what I usually do. That's why I really was excited about it. I was like, this is like different in like a challenging way, and it was a very like fleshed out role that was, you know, also I'm playing a version of the director,

obviously not exactly. We like collaborated on both of our like ideas for the character, but it was, it was, I just remember even the crew, like we had this really small crew and everyone was just like rooting for this movie. Like we had bed bugs and a trailer that we were shooting at. Yes, bed bugs. We had lightning storms, which if you're in the know, you can't shoot with lightning, baby. You can't. And also, Kentucky bed bugs are so much more dangerous because they have guns. They have guns. Yeah, they're armed.

Yeah, bed bugs can have unlicensed guns. And they're religious fanatics. They're religious fanatics. That's really funny. Yeah. Religious fanatics. A bed bug with a shotgun. And a religious cult in the trailer.

Yeah, that's really funny. Yeah, it was really, it was, we had that a shotgun Never let just calls in the trailer. Yeah, it was really it was we had that we had the lightning storms We had like then the strike happened. We were like a true indie so we ended up getting the interim agreement And it was literally like you know Was like this is the little movie that could we really had to try really hard to like make it happen and be all Like everyone the crew everyone was just like every day just crying with each other and it was just it was wonderful it was the most amazing yeah I'm very excited for you I'm very proud of you and thank you for being on we love you thank you for having me so cool

with Barbie Ferreira so cool so true so true and so cool so true and so cool thanks for being here babe we love you that was a hate gum podcast