So True with Caleb Hearon - Brian Robert Jones Loves Cinema

Episode Date: June 13, 2024

Buckle up, folks this is a wild one. Today’s guest is musician extraordinaire Brian Robert Jones! Brian and Caleb talk about touring with Paramore, the summer of Pokemon Go, the state of American politics, and much more! Subscribe to our YouTube channel! https://youtube.com/@sooootruepod?si=NNyhlhvcPq5IZRrrBuy one of Brian’s shirts! https://lxixapparel.com/ See Caleb Live! https://calebhearon.komi.io/  Join our Patreon for an exclusive extended interview with Brian and other bonus content! https://patreon.com/SoTruePodcast?utm_medium=unknown&utm_source=join_link&utm_campaign=creatorshare_creator&utm_content=copyLink  Follow Brian! @brianrobertjones Follow the Show! @sooootruepod Follow Caleb! @calebsaysthings Produced by Chance Nichols @chanceisloud Recorded at Bad Ladder Productions in Los Angeles, CASee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

It was a shame that we didn't get the effects nomination for the prosthetics, but we're going to try again next year. We're doing Whale 2. Where he goes to heaven and he wakes up even fatter. We're doing Whale 2 Tokyo Drift. 2 Whale 2 Furious. Too whale, too furious. Wouldn't it be funny if I brought you on the show and I was like, what the fuck is your problem, dude? It's happened.

No, it is not. No, no, no. Not with you. But I mean, I feel like people do the podcast, you know, the whole. They do that like weeping in a feud. Yeah. Like back in the heyday of podcasting, the Marc Maron. I feel like he like confronted people. Didn't he like louis ck about something or i don't remember but i want to start doing king louis no no no no no no no perfect guy perfect behaviors

it's like you know what it's a lot of time has passed no i'm not i'm not gonna do one of those um yeah cancel on this episode yeah i'm not trying to do one of those. Do I need to cancel on this episode? Yeah, I'm not trying to do that. Hey, why don't you tell the fans how we met? It's kind of a beautiful story. It is kind of a beautiful story. So you and I, I had known your work from the World Wide Web, obviously. And then I saw that my friends were becoming your friends.

And I was like, hold up. Get me in on this. My friends in the rock band Muna. Greatest band in the world. The hardcore rock band. In the hardcore metal band Muna. At Where's Muna. And then I think one time you all were at Bar Stella.

And then Naomi texted me. and they were like dude you gotta you gotta come through caleb is caleb and us are hanging out get it get it come get a drink and i was like all right i'm coming and then i and then i came through and then then we kind of i was like i feel like it was only because it's like i feel like we'd be like friends yeah i never i never am like you know like it's like oh famous person like i got it's like let me get in the same room as that person but i'm like i like i feel like we would we would probably be friends no we were instant buddies yeah we're exactly this is my boy we figured it out we i we kind of we started doing while we started doing big wig together yeah we started doing uh it was

like a few times after we like we met like two or three times like we hung out two or three times yeah you're like do you want to like produce a comedy show i was like fuck fuck yes i do and then we did it and it was great we did what was your we okay so we yeah i met you i was like this is the coolest guy ever you uh are a brilliant musician and very funny and i love music and you you love comedy so i was like okay we should do a music and comedy show i wanted to and i did not think you were gay but i did want to call it big homo and you, no, I think maybe not because of my sexuality. I was like, I just don't want to mislead people. Let's call it Big Homo.

Like, you know, like, that's cool. I thought it was funny. I love it. Yeah, you were like, no, I love gay people. But like, just like, I'm not like that really at all. I think it's great. It's cool that you do that. But is that fair to the fans?

So we called it Big Wig. And then we did, yeah, we were doing it a bunch when we were, I mean, we're never either of us in town anymore. I know. You don't, okay, this is hilarious because I feel like we're friends. I don't know if you like live here. Nobody knows that. Because, no, but you spend a lot of time in in a lovely city kansas city a

city that we've talked about that i you know i love you love kansas city that is on my short list for because i will never be able to buy property in los angeles california yeah kansas city is i think i think currently it's number one on my short list of places i would buy property in dude in the in the very in like the in like the next five years do you understand that i'll cry right now like do you understand what it would mean to the community to have you in kansas city we would love to have you there it would be great you there's a lot of musicians yeah big music town yeah and it's a is it is it a delta hub it's a delta hub that's that's like that's a criteria i need i need a major airline hub yes and uh and it's in the kind of the middle

you can kind of get kind of get both play you can can get New York quick. Well, let me tell you. It's three hours flight to LA, three hours flight to New York, one and a half to Chicago, one and a half to Atlanta. I'm in. What are you, come on. What are we talking about at this point?

It'll happen. I got to go a couple more times. You got to come stay with me. I stay at that weird mall every time. Not weird. What? Yes, I know, right? What weird mall?

Dude, you know that, okay, it's not weird, but it's a mall. It's a big mall, outdoor mall. You know what I'm talking not weird but it's it's a mall it's a big mall outdoor mall you know what i'm talking about you're saying zona rosa i don't think legends okay wait this is the fifth time this has happened someone from kansas city i try to tell them where i stay when i go to kansas city because like if you're on your part of music tour there's like one place you stay in kansas city and it's not downtown yeah and it's like outskirts of the city and it's like a big kind of like orange brick mall and there's like uh there's like uh there's like all these stores there's a shake

shack there's like a untuck it store chance were you google chance is also from kansas how is it possible kansas city missouri yes This is insane. Untucket? There's an Untucket. I can't think of any of the other stores right now. It has all the typical mall stores. And you don't know this mall? No. That's insane.

Every touring musician will know exactly what I'm talking about. Maybe? You're staying at the plaza? The plaza? So the plaza is in the like center of the city we we might have to revisit this another time because okay okay there's maybe i'm talking so close it is dilapidated oh there's a what's the true food kitchen do you know i'm talking about that place it's like on this like fake river and like oh this is the plaza one time i was there in 2016 the summer pokemon go came out and when i tell you i have never lost more weight in my adult life than the summer pokemon go came out yeah because i was on a tour and i

would just walk hatching eggs in pokemon go all day every day that's what you were doing i lost 25 pounds in a month and a half. Pokemon Go to the gym. I did Pokemon Go. I was one of the few, the proud, that Pokemon went to the gym. Pokemon went to the gym. I Pokemon went. Oh, we should start an app called Pokemon Went.

Pokemon Went. Where we take people's Pokemon away. And we don't hide stuff for them. We actually just take things. Yeah, and we just eat. That'd be beautiful. And it's also a food delivery app. That'd be beautiful. And it's also a food delivery app. That'd be beautiful.

Because you don't go. You know what I get sick of is when I've been abroad and I have to try and do food delivery. It's really late at night. I'm too tired. Nothing's open near me. And I have to order from something called fucking Deliveroo. Oh, dude, yes. I know exactly what you're talking about.

You have to download Gorflunked. And I'm like, no, fuck Gorflunked. Where's DoorDash? It just always feels like you're Gorflunked. And I'm like, no, fuck Gorflunked. Where's DoorDash? It just always feels like you're in some weird multiverse. No, no, no, no, no. This is actually not real. What you guys actually have, it's actually Uber Eats. Actually, Uber Eats is some places now.

Yeah. But DoorDash is not. No, it's Uber Eats if you're lucky. It's Deliveroo or fucking something called Spoop and Deck. Wimplesham or something like that. I don't know. And you have to do this with your hands while you say it. Who were you, when you were doing Pokemon Go,

who were you touring with? Gwen Stefani. Gwen Stefani? That was the tour I did. That was the Gwen Stefani tour I did. She just had a triumphant return to Coachella. It was great. I watched it.

I watched it on the East Coast time zone. Whoa. Late at night. It was like 12 30 or something like that i watched the whole thing it was awesome yeah i know to the two of the guys that are in no doubt play in gwen solo stuff a lot so i still i still do stuff with her every now and then um not a ton but those two guys are there a lot and it was like so sick i had to watch it like i watched my whole family it was it was or my mom was not there but my my dad, my sister, and I, we watched the whole thing.

It was awesome. You played with her at the Super Bowl. Yeah. Before the Super Bowl. The TikTok tailgate. The TikTok tailgate. Before the Super Bowl. TikTok tailgate.

It was great. Blake was there. Blake's great. We love Blake. Someone just emailed me today about the podcast page, about some thing they wanted to do with us. And their email signature was brand strategist and then a little bar yeah strategist tiktok addict oh and i was like if

you gave me a million dollars i wouldn't work with you that is fucking humiliating i mean i think everyone has not everyone i feel like there's a certain age bracket currently where everyone is like medically addicted to tiktok yeah where everyone is like medically addicted to TikTok. Yeah. And everyone is ashamed of it. Everyone wishes they weren't doing it. But like, I feel like I talked to most people I talked to was like, oh, yeah, it's like an hour in the morning, hour at night. I'm usually an hour during lunchtime.

Are you doing this? I had periods where I was doing that. Yeah. But like, it just doesn't hit the same anymore. Yeah. I feel like everything. They're just like, it just doesn't hit the same anymore. It doesn't. I feel like everything, they're just trying to sell me stuff all the time. It's like,

and it's always just like, like a tick tock just wants you to buy something or off. It's one, it's one or the other. It's, it's never anything in the middle. It's just like, yeah,

buy this or like, here's like, you know, it's, it's embarrassing. Y'all either need to purchase something or stroke your shit right now right now no i was like i don't want this all the time anymore i don't want this i'm not big on i don't i don't do this i'm not in tiktok holes i'm not watching but the few times i get on there like if i'm checking something on our page or something

which i don't even post on our page chance posts on oh wow okay but if i if i'm on there at all every time i open it up it's either some fucking moron doing some trend, like talking, lip syncing to something. Yeah. Or, yeah, it's someone being like, who was going to tell me that the viral broom is now less than a slice of pizza on TikTok show? Oh, no. Besties, we've got beef because the viral ceiling fan that used to cost 30 is 12 cents i'm like shut the fuck up i mean it's it's bad it's bad you're so it's just like the most useless shit there was like this one that i kept getting i clicked on it once because i used to do a lot

of tie-dye stuff and it was like a portable washer and i was like and i had an apartment building where i had to coin laundry was annoying was annoying. This portable washer, I swear to God, every third video is like, the laundry queens know what time it is. Get this thing that will break soon. Get this piece of shit that will break, but will work sort of one to six times. Okay, laundry gang. We're rising up. Laundry queens know what time it is.

I was like, dude, we don't need this. God damn, that's so funny. And I just got over it. And so I... Do I spend time with my... I just do the... I'm now addicted to crossword. MIT Games?

No, I do... Yeah. Oh my God, you knew. MIT Games. You knew. I think there's a cultural shift going on right now where we might actually bring intellectualism back. We might get being smart back in the zeitgeist because being dumb has been so hot.

Don't tempt me with this. It has been. Yeah. The kids are sharing their wordle now. It's not fun. It's not like cute anymore to be no be kind of like it's like i don't even know what that is it's like no there's actually a lot of like pretty important stuff going on right now no but there is there has i think the last couple years it has

been so hot to be like i'm a little like it's like trash panda culture has come back like it's like it's obama era a fucking garbage can human being it's like okay can you stop it's obama vibes coming back remember when none of us knew anything about politics yeah remember it's like it was it was so it was just like oh yeah dude that guy seems chill as fuck like let's just ride this out this is awesome yeah and then like i swear to god during the trump presidency i think i knew like every i knew at every time who was in charge of every cabinet position i knew that i knew who the press secretary was i knew some like bad shit about them i knew everything and i was addicted to it i was like this is so fucked and i was like and then like i remember during you know

when when biden was about to come in i was about to do like i was gonna do the whole like you know i was like you know what i'm we gotta like hold this guy fucking accountable we gotta pay attention yeah and then i kind then I kind of forgot. And I was like, and I feel a lot of shame about it. I don't think it's cute. Yeah. I knew a little bit, but I'm like, I don't know who a lot of other people are.

I made this joke. This is a joke I was telling during the Trump presidency about that exact thing where I was like, I genuinely miss a version of politics where I didn't know anything about who did what. And now all of a sudden, I know, number one, there's a roads and bridges czar. And he's a Nazi. And I didn't used to know that kind of thing.

And now I have to know about the roads and bridges czar. Yeah, that was... Do you remember the attorney general that was there for a second? I don't remember his name. But he was like, shouldn't have been there. He was like an interim guy. And he wasn't even like a politician. He had some toilet product. his name but he was like shouldn't have been there he was like an interim guy and it was he wasn't even like a politician he like had some like toilet product or he's like an inventor of

like a toilet brush or something yeah i'm probably wrong about this so i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna step i know that much information you know my about anything the trump presidency did give us one thing which was a rotating cast of characters that we can always look back on fondly oh yeah my favorite was anth Scaramucci. Do you remember him? The Mooch? The Mooch. Of course.

He was like, President Trump, he's a fucking genius. And then he got humiliated by Donald Trump, and now he goes on the news and he's like, the guy's got issues, I don't fucking know. He's such a fucking loser. Oh, I feel bad for some of the people. You feel bad for the Mooch? No, I don't feel bad for the Mooch. But just to think, okay, because there's a version of it that exists, I feel bad for some of the people. You feel bad for the moods? No, I don't feel bad for the moods.

But just to think, okay, because there's a version of it that exists, where you grow up really interested in politics your whole life, and you're like, you get a chance, and you're a kid. I just imagine that person as a little kid being like,

I want to be in the government one day. And then Donald Trump hires them, and then fires them, and then calls them the F slur or something on Twitter. And I'm just like, damn, like what? It's so high and so low, so quick. Yeah.

Just sucks. He couldn't be in my cabinet anymore. He's a. I have said, I have said, I have said consistently, and we still have time. Joe Biden, I know you watch. I know you're a truther, bitch. Truthers, if you are in contact with Joe Biden, call him today. Because the way to win this election is he has to go on stage and say,

Donald Trump is a... He is a homosexual queer. I've got proof. I've got video evidence. He's given head behind an Arby's. I'm telling you, you'll win by a landslide. I hate to say it, but you're totally right. It would fucking kill, dude. It's like, we don't have any options at this point.

It's all bad. We don't need to do the whole politics thing. But, oh my gosh. No, we don't have to do the whole politics thing. It's tough. It's really tough right now. It's tough out there. I don't like it. Politics? Well, I just don't have to do the whole politics thing. It's tough. It's really tough right now. It's tough out there. I don't like it.

Politics? Well, I just don't. I don't like the world. The state of the world. I'm kind of obsessed with it. I like how things are going. It's like, you know what? Anytime someone's like, this is like the best time to be alive.

I'm like, it might be, but has it ever been a good time, sort of? No. My friend Nick, Nick Merling, very funny comedian, has been saying the last couple of years, the best time to kill yourself was 2015. He's like, you got it then. You just topped out on all this. The best time to die was 2015. So what was happening then?

What was 2015? That was the end of Obama era. I got to go to the White House in 2015. So what was happening that... What was 2015? That was end of Obama era. I played at the... I got to go to the White House in 2015. Did you? 2016. What were you doing in there? I played with Gwen Stefani there.

At the White House? And it was the best. Like, Rachel Ray was right in front of me. Oh, my God. I know. 30-minute meals, even. She was just like... Like, watching this.

I was like, this is the coolest. Do you know what's really weird? My dad, my whole childhood, rest in peace, King. My dad, my whole childhood, he watched the Cooking Channel a lot, and he loved Rachel Ray, and he would constantly remark to me, he'd be like, that woman is fine. And he had a huge crush on Rachel Ray. That is one of the more wholesome crushes you can have. I love that.

I love that. That's a great dad crush. Can I just tell you it's it's wholesome in theory but the the way he was doing it was not feeling he was googling rachel uh he was he was googling rachel ray fhm photo shoot like stuff magazine like she's literally like cooking a risotto and he's like he's watching it in a way that was like oh man what is this doing for you he loved rachel ray okay when you put it like that it's not as it didn't feel i like it i still like it i like it for him it's better than like oh yeah like who are the people i don't know

wait who are the people one second i just i do i divorce myself from like hot people culture sort of yeah what does that mean like you know how like the people who are like, like movie stars who are just like, everyone's like this person's so attractive. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like kind of like don't keep a good stock of like what those people are in my head. Oh, I think it would be like. I know who they are now sort of.

Okay. Like you're, you know, you're Sidney Sweeney's. You're Austin Butler and Kaya Gerber. You're Zendaya. You're Austin Butler. You're Tom Holland's. I like Austin Butler, I think and deus he's your austin butler's your tom holland's i'm i think i like austin butler i think you think i think he i think i think i think he's good you think he's good yeah in what way uh did you watch elvis no uh okay you need to watch elvis you specifically need to watch elvis because we've talked about the whale before

you need to watch elvis for tom hanks yeah because it is the i haven't gotten a that good of a laugh in a movie in a long time yeah um i watched the first maybe 90 minutes yeah but dude tom hanks just kind of like having this like little kid face like they've made his face too big it's like too wide yeah so you see this like little tiny tom hanks face and you're just like he's like watching elvis like in like a dream sequence just like he's like watching Elvis like in a like a dream sequence just like yeah and like

you would really like it I'm gonna watch it him doing his little voice yeah is like go ahead I'm not gonna do it go ahead

go ahead no you did didn't you did you do so many things you have many many talents you did didn't you do the fat suit design

for that and the whale you designed Brendan Fraser's fat suit. Dude, I did. I did the whale. It was a real treat. I also did – I reused the same suit from White Goodman in the end credits of Dodgeball. Yeah. I don't know if you've seen that recently, but it's great.

The thing that took the longest was the – for the great. The thing that took the longest for the whale, the thing that took the longest was the shower scene. Yeah. To get... And that was because we had to develop... Because he had his clothes on for most of the movie, but to really get the design correct, it was a labor of love.

And I'm so proud of Brendan and the whole team behind it. He was a champ. He was in the chair for a long time, but he did a really good job. It takes a long time to get there. He took it on the chin. He did. He took it on the chins really hard, and then he was really great about the whole movie. We haven't talked about it in a while.

Have you watched it again recently? No. Because I hate to admit this. I did buy it on in a while. Have you watched it again recently? No. Cause I, I hate to admit this. I did buy it on iTunes. Okay. Um, thank you.

Because I, thank you for doing that. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Um, dude, I watched the 30 seconds of the other day.

It is. Do you know what sucks? Cinema. White Goodman at the end of dodgeball when they're trying to show how pathetic he is. And he's like just fat and shirtless and eating fried chicken and ice cream. Yes. Like literally every time I see him. Thank you for getting that, by the way.

Oh, I'm with you. And every time I see that, because I watch Dodgeball, you know, every couple of years do a rewatch. Every time I see that, I go, that looks fucking awesome. It does, right? I want to be like that. And I think sometimes I have been. I'm like, he's sitting shirtless eating fried chicken.

The only thing is that he's fat. That's the problem. But in The Whale, he also does so many cool behaviors. He almost dies off. That's incredible. That is. That's crazy. That's incredible.

That was a very harrowing scene for Brendan to film. Yeah. Because to get through all the prosthetics. Yeah. You guys made him actually take off for that? Yeah, yeah, he did. Yeah, yeah, he did. A couple times.

We had to shoot. We did 18 takes. Whoa. And he was stroking for the whole thing. Whole time. Okay. Champ.

I really enjoyed, I really enjoyed, wait, what were we just talking about? You were talking about your work as the fat suit designer on The Whale?

That's kind of where we were at in the ep. Yeah, it was, it was a shame that we didn't get the effects nomination for the prosthetics but we we're gonna try again next year we're doing whale two where he goes to heaven and he wakes up even fatter. We're doing Whale 2 Tokyo Drift. 2 Whale 2 Furious. The Whale 2 Return of Jafar. The Whale 2 Return of Jafar.

He wakes up in heaven even fatter. Studio execs, please call us.'m i'm ready i could come up with some pitches for that you uh you've actually been a big fixture of the podcast even before your episode did you know because you i've worn your shirts on here yeah yes you have and people have commented crazy a big ball all these comments what is your shirt what is your shirt what is your shirt and it's called lxix lxix apparel apparel which you make which i make and you give me shirts yeah i give you yeah i give you shirts when i can i bought i've bought a shirt or two you've bought you've bought you give me shirts you have my you have the satanic diet coke shirt

i need a new one i stained it oh i got you i need to go get a new one i have plenty you make so why how did you get into making shirts and what is your problem what is what is your deal with these things okay so um so i got really into tie-dye because the band i was playing with and i had to wear tie-dye on or it was i didn't have to but it was like kind of part of the vibes like i was wearing tie-dye on stage and i was like it'd be kind of fun to make the tie-dye stuff so i started making the tie-dye stuff and then i was like i was like oh it'd be cool to have some graphics on this but i was like i don't want it to be like a typical like streetwear brand kind of thing. But have you seen the Sonic Obama Harry Potter backpack?

Yes. Okay. So that was kind of the North Star for all my graphics. That's your guiding light. That was sort of like the start. So it used to be like way more kind of like non sequitur. It was like, it would say like Lenny Kravitz on top and it'd be like Spider-Man and the Louis Vuitton logo and like the subway logo with the Rolex crown on it.

Like it was just like as much stuff as it kind of like throw at the wall and then put on it just to kind of like confuse and anger like Gen Xers. It was, it was, that was kind of the, the guiding light. But then like people started not liking that sort of, and like I kind of tapped out the audience for that.

So I was like, I probably got to make some simpler stuff. So I started making some other shirts. So I would take just two things. Just two things. Kind of juxtapose them a little bit. Buffalo Wild Wings and then it's Barbie holding a koala. Yeah. Which is just, it just works.

It just works. It just works. And then you have one of the crazier ones. You have the ABBA one. I just realized you wore the ABBA ones. You have the ABBA one. I just realized you wore the ABBA shirt. I love the ABBA one. ABBA one has like ABBA and then it has one of the scary guys from Digimon. It has a Grateful Dead logo with Jesus Christ on the cross in the middle.

I think there's a Lululemon. Yeah, and then the background of the Grateful Dead skull, there's the Lululemon logo, the Burger King logo, and I want to say the Diet Coke logo as well. It might be. Kind of just like tessellation in the back. Yeah uh and then i believe there's a waluigi on it somewhere and then it has like the wrong words to dancing queen up at the top yeah i just yeah it's just fun for me it was it was a big like dressing room on tour thing because tour is just sitting in a dressing room as you probably know at this point yeah people like it must be so fucking fun out there i'm like yeah it is but you're kind of sitting in a dressing room for like nine hours well musicians yeah you get to the venue i just toured with a band which i've

never done yes and these people i can't believe you guys live like this they get to the hour they get to the venue seven hours ahead of time they sound check then they stay at the venue all day long yeah i'm like for a stand-up show I would show up to the venue 15 minutes before the show. Oh, my God, Caleb. When we did Big Wig. Oh, my God. And it was like, I had like music gear and stuff like that. Yeah.

And like, one of the places we did it, it was like, it's like, oh, yeah, we have a show right before it. So just like, you know, 10 minutes before your show starts, just come in and load in, do your thing. I had like a mild panic attack. So I was like, it's gonna take me at least 15 minutes to set up the vocoder

and the keys and then we have a table and I was gonna hope to rehearse the audio cues a couple times but we didn't have time to do that ended up being fine

but I felt always before those shows I was like Brian is in a way right now yeah cause you had real shit to do yeah and all I had to do

god forbid I was 5 minutes late that's a third of my setup time couldn't but yeah that the way musicians tour is tough yeah so it's just me on my laptop in a dressing room instead of like you know doing something productive like you know like uh going on a run or exercising or yeah you know doing whatever i kind of just go on my computer and like cook up ironic teas yeah i just like you know see if i can get mario to be like smoking a bong in a graphic yeah it's like oh would that be kind of funny and then and it will be and then people watch me slave away at a shirt for like seven hours and they're like oh you did one of your you did what you do one of your shirts you did one of your little oh i was like yeah this one's pretty good took me a long time and then everyone's then

and i'm like if anybody wants one let me know and then no one no one ever wants no everyone's like oh my god brian we'll hit you up we'll hit you up dude yeah it's like i might actually want that one like you don't want this it's fine you don't have to pretend but some people like it i gotta i gotta i gotta i got a bit of a core audience you have a following and i'm one of them i'm in there thanks brother i love the shirts dog i love what you're doing over there. They're fun. I enjoy it. Yeah.

It's a nice little side hustle. I like seeing people in the wild wearing it. It's great. Absolutely. You started playing with Paramore. Yes. Like, what, a year ago? Two years ago?

I worked on the last record with them a bit. And I think that started in like october 2021 yeah and then i went into playing with them kind of like right after that and you've been with them ever since yeah how's it going it's been it's been awesome i'm like really liking it and it's just so cool to it's like that's a band i like i've always loved and been really into and it was just like it was just like a funny thing like i would always say it's like you know the like the people would ask me like who i'd like want to play for and i was like it'd be really tight to get like it would be really fun to play for paramore and then like i said that to like a couple people and then like

one time this guy was like oh i know those guys i was like oh well do something i was like i mean whatever and then uh yeah and then i kind of like ended up i met met some of them after a point and then it was like i played on a little we did like a little hang studio session one day and i was like oh this is pretty fun and then and then like they asked me to do some stuff with them like more professionally i was like oh shit this is crazy i was like this is too good to be true though like until like the day i started like actually doing stuff i was like well this actually isn't probably happening it's like i should probably keep some other irons in the fire manage expectations yeah yeah but then like i've just been like consistently working with them for like over like like three years at this point and it's

been awesome it's been busy we we we work you you picked up at a busy time with we w-e-r-k work for sure you guys work it out yeah but it's been so fun you came to one of the shows that was so fun in milwaukee i came to milwaukee on a night off on my tour it was so fun uh that was a blast yeah i've talked and everyone loves you so much there it's so fun stop i'm shy no i've talked about hayley on the show before and and how much i i same i've adored her and and their music my whole life and taylor and zach i ever the thing've adored her and their music my whole life and Taylor and Zach the thing about that band is and the reason you fit in

so well there is that they're all so fucking nice oh yeah they're just they're so nice and it's crazy because they're

they've been so good at this for so long that they kind of don't have to be you almost would expect them to not yeah if they were mean

you'd be like oh that sucks but I got it yeah it's like I knew it's a long time to be doing that i would i would understand if they were like grouchy but they are like literally not at all the fucking nicest people yeah i love it yeah that's really cool yeah it's just it's been it's it's very fun like to be playing a show and then you kind of look over and like like like i'm just kind of i get in my head every now and then and then i'm like oh shit. I look over to my left, and it's like Hayley Williams, one of the greatest rock stars of our generation, fucking putting everything into it. And I'm like, how was I ever in my head for one second?

This is the coolest shit I've ever gotten to do in my entire life. Oh, she performs. Yeah, she does. She'll do a show. She's the best. Yeah, that's really cool. And you guys are about to go on tour again, so you're going to be gone for a long time. Yeah, it's a long tour. are you open up for opening up for

miss taylor miss tay for three and a half months it's 51 shows how do you balance because you're gone all the time for work at this point and you have a life in la you went to you went to school here you have a girlfriend here you guys just got a new house together well how do you balance being gone so fucking much and trying to have like also stability in a life uh you don't yeah yeah you don't you just don't do that you can't um i try i definitely try and i think i am getting better at it and i sometimes you've caught me in one of these spells at one point there's a big one we did at largo where i i was I was on a three-week break from tour I think and I packed every single day yeah like I planned ahead I packed every single day it was like you know something in the morning session during the day dinner at night or like something at night like every day for like

three weeks yeah and it was just like so I was so burnt out and like stressed and like bit off way more than i could chew um but that's kind of like i'm learning to not do that i'm like prioritizing like rest and vacation and i was always someone who's like really bad at vacationing like yeah after like day two i was like can we get the fuck out of here like i'm like yeah i'm like i need to like go on my laptop and like do work but i find i do work. But I find I'm better at relaxing now. Turning 30, dude, that was... Everything changed. Yeah?

I'm so much slower now, and I don't want to do anything. Yeah? And it's sad. But I'm like, literally the idea of someone going out to a bar to do anything, I'm like, no, I want to stay at home and and i noticed that play playstation i noticed that the other night when you didn't come to my party because i saw you at my show i was there so i left a little early i saw you sneaking out early and i said i said oh brian are you leaving you said yeah we're gonna grab food and come to your party and then i was sitting

at the party going hmm brian is not here. That is so interesting. You know what? That was a great show. Thank you. And I love seeing you perform. It's one of my favorite things. Yeah. Because you're so great.

And everyone had such a good time. You bring so much joy into the space. And then I also just had to go home the next day. People, I will say that that night was a big learning moment for me because people are getting way better at handling me. Because I'm a big, if I'm going out, I want everyone to come out. And multiple people that night did the smart thing, which was because I don't remember that someone told me

they were going to come out. You know what I mean? Yeah. So multiple people that I love that night were like, I'm not going to come out. I'm going to go home. It's a weeknight. I'm busy.

And multiple people were like, dude, I'm going to go do one thing and then I'm going to meet you there. And I was like, oh, people are getting better at managing how psycho I am. Because all, like Chris Fleming. Yeah. I was like begging him the whole show. I was like, you've got to come out. You've got to come out.

The whole night's about coming out afterwards. And he was like, oh, I'm going to. Didn't come out. No. Obsessed. Well, a lot of people came out. It was a great party. But I do think. He's so funny, by the'm gonna. Didn't come out. No. Obsessed. Well, a lot of people came out. It was a great party. But I do think.

He's so funny, by the way. Is there anyone funnier? He was just like leaping around the stage the entire time. I don't know. That was special. Chris is a genius. Yeah, he is. He's an absolute genius.

I love that guy. That show was super fun. Okay, for example. Sorry. I'm going to recall something I said earlier. Remember when I was like, I feel like we'd be friends yeah i don't think i can i don't think i would be enough for chris like i'm not gonna like i don't have the energy to keep up with someone like that i feel like he's not like that i think you guys he's so funny we'll see we'll see what

happens i i want it to happen chris you know i know you're watching brother no chris i i would say in in yeah on stage he's so big and he's big in friendship too but it's very like when you're talking to chris interpersonally it's very like you were um you were just you were just in boston i love boston like it's it's much more it's not that he can't go big but chris is a very grounded he he's a very grounded person. Okay, that's huge. I absolutely interrupted you. You didn't interrupt me. I was going to say during Chris' set at that show, and I'll text him to make sure it's okay that I say this because it's his joke.

But he put out a special recently that's so fucking funny called Hell on the Cot. Yeah, it is incredible. You guys should watch it if you haven't. I just watched it yesterday. But he was doing my show at Largo the other night, and he was talking about putting the special out. And he goes, well, I put that special out, and it launched a nationwide manhunt for my pronouns. He was like, I don't even know. I'm waiting for Gen Z to assign me some.

Oh, my God. God damn, I was on the floor rolling around laughing. That was a big hit. God damn, he's funny. He's so great. I launched a nationwide manhunt for my pronouns. Yeah. It was so funny.

Are you going out after stuff and getting older? Are you? Are you? Read that. Why do I say that? I don't like the way I talk. I don't like taking the internet into real life. That's a...

People started saying LOL. Yeah. I couldn't like taking the internet into real life. That's a... People started saying LOL. Yeah. I couldn't believe it. They started saying it. REs, Paramore just did a whole RE... Oh, yeah. But do you say RE? But what do you say?

It's something that you just see all the time. What do you say? I think it's RE. All right, cool. But I would take RE. All right, so you're saying I did it right? Yeah. You did great.

It's like one of those things, we were just talking about this. I didn't know if it was zoomies or zoomies yeah and everyone else has zoomies but in my head was always zoomies yeah wait wait going out going out sorry yeah it's bad uh uh just this little thing this guy yeah this guy is not working too good no more And it turned 30 And it turns to mashed potatoes Yeah Going out

I really liked doing it I don't know if you relate to this at all I feel like I can't get drunk anymore Oh really I feel like I have two drinks And I'm just like full And I don't want to drink anymore. And I'm sober.

I'm like, should I just stop? Drinking altogether? Yeah. I think a lot of people do. I know. So many of my friends don't anymore. You know I'm not a big drinker to begin with. It's not my...

I know, but I used to like... I used to feel a little fun and flirty after two drinks. Be like, what's happening? Tap somebody on the shoulder. Who does that? Two Drink Brian. Well, you know tap somebody on the shoulder like who does that like two drink brian well i'll tap you on the shoulder yeah two drink brian i'll tap a shoulder hey how's it going yeah are you smoking weed at all no i can't last time i smoked weed i went to the hospital i'm sorry i'm sorry obviously that's not funny but what happened i well i it was a funny time i was i was living at my old place where i had some roommates and we we had a fun thing i think this is nice and i think you'll like this this is very

caleb coded we would all sit down and listen to music together oh i love to listen to music i love that to not like hang it was like oh the new x record is out let's listen to it yeah so we're listening to the new team impala record we got it on vinyl it's like oh let's have like a little sit down yeah and everyone was like oh i'm like anyone want to smoke a little weed before we do this and i don't like smoking weed yeah but i also am a bit of a people pleaser and i like hanging out with my friends and bonding with my friends. I was like, you know what? I'll have a little bit. So I had one hit of a joint.

Yeah. And I really, I really, and I was a little ashamed when I first started smoking weed. I didn't know how to smoke weed. So when I finally learned how to do it, I tried to take like the most perfect like inhale, do the whole thing, like, you know, like really keep it in there. So I took one big big hit and uh i i went to space and my heart started what i felt like was pounding at approximately 400 000 beats per minute yeah so i was like guys i gotta go lay down so i went upstairs and i tried to watch two episodes of uh family on my iPad. Did nothing.

And everyone was like, is Brian okay? And I was like, guys, I think I need to go to the hospital. I was like, my heart's beating really fast. And then all my high friends are just there, just like, yeah, whatever. And then my friend put his Apple Watch on me to get my heart rate. And it was a normal heart rate, but I was like, well's probably just dividing it in half uh from like what it actually is why would he why would the apple watch be doing division because i was high yeah on pot yeah like i i can't talk about weed anymore we high on no you can't say what do you say high on pot i was high on weed i say i always say dude i'm such a fucking loser.

I was high on marijuana. High on marijuana. So I, so then I was, so my friend, my friend Zach's girlfriend, Nina, I was like, I went to her, I was like, I need you to drive me to the hospital. Because she had not smoked and I was like, I need you to drive me to the hospital. So we went to the Kaiser Permanente Hospital, my old insurance. Shout out Kaiser Permanente. Bastards.

Bastards. Bastards. And then I just, I got to the hospital sat down i was like i'm fine and then they took me in and then i was there for like three hours and then i had to pay like four thousand dollars or something like that for them to just give me like a little like saline in my arm probably the sober great time it was her job to say no you've just smoked weed you're gonna we're gonna wait an hour i will tell you who is is vehemently angry when I told him the story is our friend Ivan. Ivan!

Ivan, who is taller than me, bigger than me, and is the closest thing I will probably ever have to a boyfriend. I'm like, hey. He can pick me up. It's so great. His hugs hurt. They're the best. He's so strong in a good way, but he will wrap you up, and he will just fucking squeeze the life out of you.

Dude. He's a big, strong guy. My mom was in LA recently and happened to be in LA for Ivan's surprise birthday party. Ivan saw my mom, got so excited, because Ivan and I grew up together. He's known my mom since we were fucking 10 years old. He goes up to my mom, got so excited because Ivan and I grew up together. He's known my mom since we were like fucking like 10 years old. He goes up to my mom. He's more excited about her being there than the fact that we had a surprise party for him. He's like, oh, my God.

He like sees her and he goes up to her and he gives her a hug. And I think this was about a month ago. My mom is still sore from the hug that Ivan gave her. And I was just with her. She's like, yeah, that was really nice. I'm happy he was excited to see me, but that was very painful. He hugged the hell out of me. Anyways, Ivan was really upset.

He's like, dude, I would not have let that happen. I would not let you go to the hospital. Like, there's no way you would have gone if I was there. I was like, it's very Wahlberg about, you know, it's like, hey, if that had happened, if I had been on that plane, if I was in that living room, things would have gone down differently. You would have never been in the hospital, brother. They would have cut these Boston hands. That is like the most like insulting thing anyone has ever said.

Maybe Mark Wahlberg being like, so yeah, if I was there on 9-11. Hey, no offense to the pussies who went down on that flight, if I was there on 9-11, it wouldn't have happened on my watch. But I'm different. Jesus Christ. You were talking about getting older and going out. I was on a date last night, and I have realized I'm turning 30 in six or seven months. And my dating style has changed completely in the last year. I am so much more and I'm dating,

you know, people my age and, uh, I just get right into it. Like I'm, I was on my first date last night and I was like, what are you looking for? Yeah.

You want kids? You want to live in LA for the rest of your life? What's the deal? Like I'm, I'm like now first dates are like, I don't have time to waste. I'm in town for a week. I'm looking for a husband.

You're in and out in seven minutes. I'm in and out in seven minutes i'm in and out in seven minutes we only got four minutes to save the world madonna it is i just gotta yes i gotta get in there and i'm doing this is crazy it's a crazy way to date i've never did that when i was younger and now i'm at first date i'm getting all the information out quick yeah and some people are charmed by it and some are not i think that's really smart honestly I think some people will be Off put by how up front it is Yeah That you know

You might Maybe give them 10 minutes Maybe Maybe give them 10 minutes Instead of the 20 seconds Of like hey it's so nice So do you want Everything I want

I might not have 10 minutes Brian I'm a busy guy Damn Damn You should get You should do an email You should have like a You should have like a Google form

That someone has to fill out Before every date Brianrian you know what i don't know if i've told you guys this before it might be a new story to you too i went on a date once that i thought went pretty good i didn't think it went amazing but i thought it went pretty good and the guy seemed into me and so i i thought it was really when we were like we were like uh kissing goodbye i was like i was like yeah you might get a survey about this date um it would just mean a lot to me if you could like you know give an honest response and it was a joke about like oh if you get a survey please fill it out like cashiers do you know and i and he laughed pretty hard and so i kind of chased that laughter and created a survey oh my god as a way to flirt and like maybe set up a second date that's amazing and i so i made a

little google form survey and it was like how'd the date go like bad to great and like maybe set up a second date. That's amazing. And I, so I made a little Google form survey and it was like, how'd the date go? Like bad to great. And I had all these little options and he gave a really honest, no, no, he gave a really honest review that I was not, I thought it was going to be like,

and one of the, one of the questions, I mean, as I said, I need specifics. Unfortunately, I hate to make you relive this. Like the questions,

the questions were like, The questions were like, thank you so much for going on a date with Caleb. Rate his charm. And it was like not charming to very charming. And there were a couple questions like that where he picked, if it was one to five, he picked four. Where he was giving honest. And so that's how it hurt even more when it was like,

how likely would you be to recommend Caleb to a friend or see him for a second date? And that was me thinking like, oh, he's going to put very, he's going to put five. Yeah. And so then that'll be my way of being like, well, based on your survey response, he put three. Oh! He put three. And I thought it was a pretty good date.

Like not sure? I have not talked to him since. Oh, man. He filled out the survey and I could not bring myself to text him again. All right. So a stupid bit to begin with, but one that ended badly. Caleb, that your person, your person would love that. My, the guy who's right for me.

Yes. Would give me fives across the board. And yeah, exactly. Or ones across the board. That's the thing that hurts is that he didn't do that. That is hurt. Just don't fill it out. Yeah.

He just don't fill it out. He didn't do a jokingly bad response. He didn't do an overly nice response. The fact that he went honest with it was more hurtful than anything. That's the worst. It was crazy. I'm sorry, but that's pretty funny. I almost feel bad.

I feel like you should do that again. I feel like it was a good bit. Did you try to do it again? I tried it last night. It's just too much Trump. I tried it last night. You did? After the date, I texted the guy and I said, hey, you might get a survey.

You might get a survey. It would mean a lot. And he actually texted back a really sweet response. Okay, good. And he was like, he was like, you know, he would text back someone like 10 out of 10 would recommend, would love to do it again or something. And so I'm not going to make the survey this time. I think I'll just let that be what it was.

I have a question, but I feel like you might not want to answer it. No, please. what it was. I have a question but I feel like you might not want to answer it. No, please. When you're dating because you date

around a little bit to Jesus, that sounded bad. That sounded bad. You're 100% right. You go on dates often.

I date a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. You're very loose. I'm just kidding. That's not what I said. You're a loose young man with no balls.

You're a loose young man. Obviously, you'll never reach the inside of the gates to heaven but you're having well that shit sailed a long time ago yeah yeah yeah um no no um anyways uh do you have like what's your do you have like any you're not gonna want to answer do you have like go-to spots like what do you oh yeah but like what are they well i'm not gonna say that okay okay but you know what i'll tell you i'll tell you on that on that topic yeah i definitely have go-to

spots especially when i'm uh like in new york i have my spots in chicago i have my spots in la i have my spots kin city too but it's different but recently when i was in new york i was there for five days i was going on a couple dates with different guys that i have been talking to and i take people usually to the same bar because it's i feel comfortable there and i went going on a couple of dates with different guys that I had been talking to. And I take people usually to the same bar because I feel comfortable there. And I went in on a Tuesday night with one guy and we had a couple of drinks, whatever. We went back to where I was staying, hooked up. It was great. The next night I went in with a different guy and it was the same bartender working.

And me and this guy walk up to the bar. I'm going to buy us drinks. I buy the drinks, boys, if you're interested. And I walk up to the bar and this lesbian going to buy us drinks. I buy the drinks, boys, if you're interested. And I walk up to the bar, and this lesbian bartender who I had had such a bond with the night before, I felt so close with, I walk up with this other guy, this new guy, the next night, and she goes, how was last night?

With like a little flirty little like implying that I had been in there last night and kind of implying that it was, and this is how I looked at her. I went, I was like and this is how I looked at her, I went, I was like, have you lost your mind? That is so disrespectful. I would have her arrested and jailed if I could.

It's like, I choose to come here to woo men and give you service and tip you. Yeah. And you're going to do that to me? Really? Yeah. It just was not a service mindset at all

it was like three nights in a row i'd maybe be like well it was i went that would that would have been that would have been i would have seen that as like a wake-up call like maybe add one more spot into the rotation you can add another spot maybe have a b location to i just trust the staff at my places you know i'm like you guys got to be on my team don't we all want to see me get laid we all do this is This is a whole team effort. Everybody pitch in. We're all dying. We're all dying to get you in. Many hands make light work. If everybody pitches in, I can get laid a lot.

Oh, God. But we can't have the bartender blowing up my spot like that. No. It was crazy. It was almost homophobic. It kind of feels that way. It didn't feel good. Seems like you had a pretty good read on where she was at on that scale, though.

Huge. Oh, well. You can say it. No, not i'm not you know what maybe i know i'm gonna leave that one to you boss yeah i mean i i can't even i can't i can't say any word i can't say any fun not fun words like that but i can't say any of like the like if hear me say the N-word, they gasp. So I've more or less retired it. You've revoked your own N-word card? Well, it's just like my white friends in LA who I love dearly. But if I try to make like a little joke

or I try to say something or I, it just pops out. Yeah. Sometimes it's just like, like, they kind of forget that I'm black or something.

Oh, interesting. I don't know what's happening. Yeah. I don't, I haven't, I haven't like really thought about it too much, but I just remember the last time I said it, one of my friends was just like,

like, Oh, I wouldn't. As if, as if I had like done something like wrong. I wouldn't guess. I say that word all the time. And I was like, you know,

Oh my God. If you said that word in front of me, I'd be like, it's just like permission. Just like, you know, sometimes you just like avoid things because you don't feel like talking about it at all.

It's like, it's like, I'm going to avoid doing this thing that I naturally do because you seem like an annoying person to talk about it with. Yeah. Like,

like anytime I would say like the whole like Los Feliz, Los Feliz thing. Yeah. I just started telling people I live in Silver Lake because I was like, I don't want to, I don't want to be like, yeah, is it feel as,

or it's like, Oh, but people say Los Feliz too. Isn't that so strange? It's like, I live in Silver. I just live in Silver Lake. Yeah.

East Hollywood. I love for me personally that you've put uh los feliz and the n-word on the same way you're like these stay two things i won't talk about it's these two things okay well okay this is another one so i mean wait i want to say though i want to say on that topic in all seriousness because i did kid around i don't like that your white friends would respond that way. That's weird of them. It's just, it's like a, it's a response cause they're not, they're just not used to hearing it that much.

Well, they should maybe have more. Maybe I should just, maybe I, Oh, okay. Now we're doing it. True.

Yeah. You know? Yeah. I do love being the only, uh, black person in a space cause it happens a lot. Dude. Do you,

okay. Can I tell you? And I just like, look around. I'm like, I went to a fish show. I. Okay, can I tell you? I just look around. I'm like, I went to a fish show. I was like. Yeah, I bet.

Great show. Great show. But I was like, okay, guys. Does anybody look like me around here? My friend Tara is a brown woman. And she described to me recently something that she calls top brown syndrome. Where she found out that our friend had another Indian friend. And she was like like that hurts my feelings because i always want to be the one and only i want to be like the number one top brown and i was like that's crazy no that's that that's a whole other thing that's that's a different thing that's all no no i'm just

that's a no i i think that's fun i think that's fun i i i would imagine like it is kind of weird being like oh like how do i not know about this person like yeah i don't know that is kind of weird you don't think it's the same as being at the fish concert no well it kind of is because i it's kind of fun to like you know i feel like i understand white people very well i and i and i understand i understand black people very well as well. But wow. There's just some environments where it's pretty pure. It's pretty Anglo, if you know what I'm saying.

Yeah. And it's very fun to just like kind of watch how people do stuff. Like whippets. Yeah. Have you ever been to, are you familiar with the jam band scene at all, Caleb? Unfortunately, yes. It's been forced upon me by the straight men in my life yeah i mean it's you have you have to approach it with a sense of humor yeah because a lot of it's ridiculous yeah i'm laughing and it's just i went to a fish show and they were just like 90 dudes outside selling balloons full of nitrous or whatever. Yeah.

And it's just like, this is what you guys are doing when no one else is watching. Yeah. That's kind of like what the vibe is. You're viewing that as like caucasity unleashed. Yeah. But for the record, I loved being there. And it was really great. Oh, for sure.

People love it. But yeah. Okay. So there was one time. This is just like another one of my funny N-word stories, is I made a shirt. You should write a book called that, by the way. My funny N-word story. With me on the cover.

My Brian Rogers. I made a shirt for my T-shirt company that I thought would be a funny April Fool's Day post post where it was an acrostic poem that was like, nice, intelligent girl with a great attitude. And it was a Bratz doll. And it spelled out, obviously, nice, intelligent girl, great attitude. And it was – I thought it was hilarious. It was like this blonde brat stall just like um and uh i sent it to group chat of my friends and it was met with like the like

this is like who made this this is terrible and i was like okay i was like just didn't say i was like okay i'm gonna maybe just save this for another day but I wanna I wanna make one one time and give it to somebody as a gift

as a joke I think it'd be fun so you sent that to a group of white friends yeah and they were like god damn it it was like

god damn it this world I'm so sorry I'm so sorry someone thought this would be okay I was like they're like I fucking hate that you have to deal with this shit. You made it.

You fully made the shirt. It's so unfair to you, Brian. That was a fun part of summer 2020. All the protests and everything happening. Because I'm a lot of people's only black friend. Did you get some texts? Oh, I got some nice texts. I got, you know.

It's like, hey, can I come by and bring you some? I made a cake. It's like, can I just bring you a piece of cake? I was like, yeah, sure. I hope you cashed in. I hope you said, yeah, bring the cake. Oh, I absolutely did. There's people being nice.

Yeah, but come on. Because it was a weird time. Yeah. But I'm like, you don't have to do that. It's fine. you said yeah bring the cake yeah oh i i absolutely did i people being people being nice yeah because it was it was a weird time yeah but i'm like you don't have to like do that like yeah i'm i don't need cake yeah i'm good i got i got uh roasted a little bit during that time because i didn't post a black square and i didn't have do you remember when um i didn't you didn't post a black square fuck dude please please not right now now. Not on here. Not like this. Not like this. No, no, no.

This is funny. Sorry. I have a whole thing about the black square. I've seen people deleting their black squares is the funniest thing I've ever seen. That's so funny. That's the funniest thing. They're like, you know what? Fuck it.

I know. Just like any fan community you're a part of online, they'll just go back and be like, Caleb actually deleted his black square. Where's that black square at? I didn't post it because genuinely I felt like my black friends would clown me for it I thought we would all think it was silly and then people were also roasting me a lot in my DMs because I didn't do

I don't know if you remember this but a lot of white people with online followings at that time washed black people's feet? what? you didn't see that? that was a crazy one you didn't kneel wearing a kente cloth? oh I did do that okay good i do that all the time thank god thank you yeah

hey man thank you for doing that no white people with followings were having like black creators with less following take over their pages and i was like that is so fucking it's insulting and weird to me to be like hey sorry about you being black uh For one day, do you want to be me? I was just like, I'm not doing that shit. It's like, dude, just retweet everything they post for a couple days. How about that? For sure. How about that?

That's great. Here's another thing. Have some black friends, weirdo. I'm sorry, but it just was a lot of white people that have no friends that aren't white being like, I'm doing my part. No one to run it by real quick. It's like, is this a good idea or a bad idea? I should be like, hey, do I look like a cornball weirdo for this? There's also a thing like

no black people wants to be like the spokesman for all black people for their white friends. Be like, oh yeah, what do you guys think of this? Back up. Just Google it. Just Google it it next time you said you understand

right white people really well and i do think this is not a unique observation but i really i play like indie and rock music i'm only around white people typically yeah but i think the people who understand whiteness the best in the entire world are people of color who spend a lot of time around white people it's like oh yeah of course that would be illuminating that makes so much sense to me well that's the cool thing about Paramore shows. Paramore shows are like extremely diverse. Black people love Paramore. Black people love Paramore. Well, it's been said.

Yeah. Yes. I think there's a podcast called Black People Love Paramore. Yeah. I digress. They're nominated for a Webby Award right now. Are they actually? Yeah. Oh, that's sick. It's a very successful podcast. Yeah. I gotta check them out. I don't know why I haven't. That makes no sense. Brother, I think you're the target audience for that show. I know, right? Yeah yeah. I gotta check him out. I don't know why I haven't. That makes no sense.

Brother, I think you're the target audience for that show. I know, right? Yeah, you should be checking that out. I'm like the dream story. Yeah. Black who saw... Dream story. Black who saw Paramore back in the day was like, that'd be fun to play with those guys.

I'll fucking do that. And then I did. But yeah, those shows are... That's like the cool thing about... One of the many cool things about that is like, it's not like, like, it's, like, it's just, like, every kind of person you could think of. Like, age gap is crazy. Like, there's, like, so many people who are, like, you know, like, maybe were, you know, 20 when the band came out or something like that who have, like, kids now, like, bring their kids to shows or, like. Yeah.

It's, like, a lot of people, different races and, like, kids who, like, discovered Paramore on, like, TikTok. Yeah. When, like, Paramore on like tiktok yeah when like paramore didn't even post anything on tiktok like it's just they had like a thousand sounds go viral over covid and like got like a bunch of new fans and it's just it was it was really cool to see that like every and everyone's so nice and kind and oh it's a very sweet audience they're they're very they're very like yeah everybody at the paramore show it honestly moon has a similar thing oh absolutely it's it's like uh it's just nice fucking people who love this music and it means so much to them the room feels very like you should be like holy shit i'm part of something right now yeah it's like isn't

it sick that we all get to be here yeah this is nice that's the genuine feeling yeah it is nice my least favorite part of the paramour show was how diverse it was i was like i wish i wish that we could tighten this up i wish there were more police there. I did! Thank you! Because I was like, where are the cops? Where are they? Where are the cops? Dude, okay. I have to digress. But it's not digressing. You brought them up. The Luna shows these days... A little gay. Just a little bit.

Are you getting the feeling some of those people are gay? I think, and like, that's okay, but like, I have included them a little extra in my prayers at night. Yeah. No, the shows are so fucking good. It's crazy. It is nuts. It's crazy it is nuts it's crazy did you go to the Greek?

I did not get to go to the Greek because I was out of town the most recent time I saw them live was when they played with Boy Genius in London

oh wow that's fun I went to that show with Ethel Kane it's just it's just so exciting for me because I

I used to I used to play with them for a while back in the day and we weren't doing anything like on the scale they're doing now but it was like it was early days yeah but dude the like just seeing them open like okay so a couple shows saw them open for casey musgraves and in a fucking arena and i was like they are ready to do this whole like they just

commanded it like so hard yeah and just like it was like i mean it's i mean i'm like i'm obviously friends with them and i'm like an attachment to it but like i also see a lot of live music like every festival i play i always try to go see a couple bands and like no one's fucking doing it like them it's crazy they're rock stars they're just the fucking best and the sweetest people and are they nice to you they don't treat me very no they really they really are the best they're the best yeah they kind of like a weird reputation yeah they're like in the scene people are like god isn't that the worst thing to hear they have a weird reputation no it's like they don't have that but like but if you did you like every now and then like you know you'll be talking to somebody and you're like somebody who i've been

friends with for like a long time time who maybe started getting success. Someone will just be like, and I won't say that I know them or anything like that, and someone will just kind of be like, yeah, so, yeah, I heard some weird stuff about them. They're kind of weird. I was like, fuck. Dude, I have to, I'm sorry.

Sorry to do this to the listeners. I have to tell you something off mic later. Don't let me forget because it is insane. Yeah, I mean, story. You get a little story every now and then. Yeah, every a while through the grapevine when you're like oh no they don't know i know this person it's sad to hear that yeah that's what's happening who i can't remember let's say names yeah let's name names uh that's the name of the new name of the podcast let's see it's name names let's ruin our future uh b, I have a question for you.

What do you want? What is the goal? Whoa. You're okay. So you have put out some solo work that is great. You make the t-shirts. You're touring with Paramore right now. You have so much going on.

You're a brilliant producer. What do you want? What is the goal? i don't like know yeah but i like to do a lot of stuff yeah i like to be able to like create and do stuff and i like being silly and i it's it's that's a hard question to ask for sure it's hard question to answer because i i uh i think when i was like 22 i just graduated college and i went to school for music and like i didn't really think that it was like possible to to get to have a career in music or anything at all and then i kind of was able to like get on

the get in the scene pretty quickly and like start working and like every year i just try not to take it for granted because like every year that i'm still able to do this is like absolutely a blessing and i just am trying to keep up as much as i can doing that yeah and uh and i'm ready for it to you know all go away at some point but i just like i like to play music and i like to i like to do a lot of stuff so the more stuff i can keep doing and not be like super stressed and be somewhat financially comfortable i'm good with i can't wait for your line of guitars that's because you paint guitars and those are fucking guitars i want i do a lot of work with fender i want to do something they should align with you we'll do something

but it's just like you know more people gotta you know i'm not like famous yes you are fender do a line of guitars with brian right now i've had it we'll see we'll see i would like to but we'll see we'll see what happens we'll be cool um but yeah it's it's it's a fun little uh it's a fun little life i got to to lead right now and i i like producing i'm working on a record right now that i'm like really excited about not for myself but for for a friend of mine that i think will be really great and we're finishing that up before i leave for tour is it a friend that i know i don't think you know do you know julia julia coming i know the name for some reason she plays in the band sunflower bean that's

why i know the name yeah you've shown me you showed me their stuff you put me on yes i think i did yeah um we're uh we're working on a record right now that's been exciting and fun and i just like i like to like make music and i like to make stuff and i kind of want to do comedy stuff in some capacity but i'm too afraid to call myself like a comedian so i don't i don't think you should be what kind of comedy what would you do if you like what kind of comedy do you want i just like what we what we were doing was so fun to me just doing local local shows and being silly and you know getting to try stuff out is very fun to me music is so like meditative and takes so long and is like hard to kind of like um it's it's you don't see the product of what

you don't you don't get to see how people like it in real time yeah but it's like because it's like if you write a song it's like all right cool you got to record it i do the whole thing yeah yeah yeah and you're like working on it for like months and then it's like out and then you can't get to see how people like it in real time. Yeah. But it's like, cause it's like, if you write a song, it's like, all right, cool. You got to record it. I do the whole thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you're like working on it for like months and then it's like out and then you can't

even see if people like it or not. It's like people either share it or they don't or people listen to it or they don't, but it's like kind of a comedy show. It's like, you can kind of get that right away. Like it's like, Ooh, I thought of this.

And then you can kind of like say it and then people either laugh or they don't. And it's just like kind of fun. Yeah. And, uh, I, uh, I really enjoy doing our shows.

We've got to do another one sometime. We will. We will. Maybe in the fall. But yeah, it's just hard. I don't have enough time to do all this stuff either, though, which is an issue. That's my biggest frustration creatively these days

is that I want to do so much that I get overwhelmed. I'm like, I want to be writing. I want to be performing. I want to be doing different kind of performance. I want to stage a one to be writing. I want to be performing. I want to be doing different kind of performance. I want to stage a one-man show. I want to do my stand-up. I have all these different projects that I'm writing.

I want to be directing. I want to learn a new language. I want to learn instruments. There are just so many things, and that's the beauty of creativity is it makes me want to be alive, but it's so fucking hard. There's not enough time.

Yeah, it's really hard. What instrument do you want to play? Well, I've been trying to learn... That piqued want to play? Well, I've been trying to learn. That piqued my interest a little bit. I've been trying to learn guitar. Oh, you, really? I want to learn guitar, but it's really fucking hard for me. I have fat, big fingers that aren't very flexible.

Like, it's hard for me to do the shit and do the, and it's hard. And I'm trying to learn. I mean, I don't, would you ever want to play bass? Bass. Not fun to you, never mind. Dude, the way you just said, bass. Well, no. You you ever want to play bass? Bass. Not fun to you. Never mind. The way you just said. Bass.

Well, no. You don't want to play bass. I think it would be cool to know it as well, but I want to be able to play guitar because there's so many songs I love that I just love like an acoustic folk song. You're a flathead. Yeah. Big time. Yeah. You want to be able to play what hurts the most.

Solo. Big time, brother. You want to finish your stand- hurts the most. Solo. Big time, brother. You want to finish your stand-up set, get out the guitars. You're like, all right, if it's cool with y'all, I'm going to play a couple songs. I hurt my self. I got gifted two guitars in my journey. And they're from two.

I'm going to say who they're from. And I don't care if they like that I did this or not. I got gifted a guitar from James Valentine. Oh, wow. Who was in Maroon 5. Yes. Love James. James, I love you. Great guitar player. Love James Valentine. Oh, wow. Who was in Maroon 5. Yes. Love James. James, I love you. Great guitar player.

Love James and his wife, Alexis, who actually, Alexis is a huge fan of the pod and listens. And Alexis, I love you, girl. Thanks for listening. I just love you, girl. So James' wife, Alexis, runs this thing called Tab Vintage that is like vintage designer dresses for, she dresses all kinds of people for like big red carpet events and things like that. And she has immaculate taste.

Tab Vintage on Instagram if anyone wants to follow. So James gave me a guitar that I'm trying to learn on that I have in LA. And in Kin City, my friend Katie Waxahachie gave me a guitar. And these are my two guitar friends. All right, so you haven't given me a painted one yet. I know, it's like I have one lying around i was gonna i was thinking about it but you

know i think you you might be uh you might be all set but well i'm doing total by the way i'm doing both of them uh they're very sweet favor i'm doing them total uh injustice by not learning quicker i'm like taking too long hey take your time take your time if we can we can do the thing i can do is i can give i can i can show you stuff i can give you a lesson yeah all this free time that you've got laying around yeah if you can do it if you can do it from like 8 a.m to 8 30 tomorrow tomorrow yeah or in like four months we could maybe try yeah if maybe september we should meet up for 30 minutes okay hey in november let's do dinner and then in like january or february we could talk about yeah that's 26 feels like our window that's like well okay that's like that's very touring

musician-y yeah because it's like i have friends who are like my best friends that i consider like this this is like my guy like he is like my person in in in music whatever. I will go... My roommates from college were all touring musicians. We see each other maybe once a year. Yeah. But it's just so hard. Everyone's traveling.

Everyone's busy. If you live on the west side of town... That's curtain. Just not going to see you. Yeah. One of my best friends has a kid now. Lives on the west side. I'm like... It's like an hour to get there to me being and i want to go every day to me being an

artist is this double-edged sword of the same cool thing which is on one side you meet the coolest most interesting most lovely warm talented people in the entire world every and you know them they're everywhere they're they're all the different places they live and you meet them you get to be friends with them because you make art and maybe you like each other's stuff

or you surround each other and then the flip side of that is you never fucking see them it's so sad it is sad it's sad but we're also doing

fun stuff and seeing the world and it's like yeah because like this summer it's like this is like the longest tour

I will ever go on probably it's like three and a half months like i've never i don't think i've gone on tour more than like six weeks yeah seven weeks maybe at like the the tippy top end but this is like you know like 14 weeks it's like it's like a long time um but like and sometimes i get like in my head it's like oh it's so long to be away like it seems like it's gonna be hard but i was like when in when in the world, when in my life am I gonna get to just like see Europe

and like have days off and explore and... It's cool as fuck. It's cool. Yeah. And I have like a little side project. I have my creative project for the time I'm over there that I'm gonna try to spend just a little bit of time on it. I'm not gonna be like, you know,

I've been trying to write a musical for a long time. Can I be in it? Yeah, absolutely. Thank you, dude. I can't, time on it. I'm not going to be like, you know. I've been trying to write a musical for a long time. Can I be in it? Yeah, absolutely. Thank you, dude. I can't. Yeah, I'm just. It's mostly because I have so many struggling actor friends that I would like to give more roles to. No, I need to be in it.

Yeah. Thank you. Everyone wants to do like a low budget stage show for months. That takes months to prepare. Me, genuinely. Oh, okay. I'm about to. As soon as I film this hour of stand-up, my genuine plan is to take like a year and a half off from stand-up and focus on an

entirely different live performance either my one-man show or some i'm gonna ask around and see if anyone's casting any like plays or anything but i'm gonna i want to if i do my one-man show i want to stage it in chicago london and new york yep and i mean i'm sure i'll bring it to la eventually too, but I want to do some warm-ups at the Elysian. Do some warm-ups at the Elysian, of course, before I play wherever. No, I want to do like a, yeah, I want to do a year of like live performance that isn't stand-up.

That'd be sick. Yeah. One man show. I would love to see that. Characters or something more like, it's not stand-up. Like I don't want to do do set-up punchline, set-up punchline. Right, right. I want to do a longer story, a piece, a thematic, just something different.

Because that was how I started. Before I did stand-up, I did characters. And then I just really dove into stand-up. That's right. Yeah, I started in improv. On the internet, sort of, too. On the interwebs as well. On the lulz. On the worldwide webbs as well. On the lulz.

On the worldwide web, me thinks. Worldwide weird. Hey. The weird world web. I've got something weird for you. What's that? It's a true-false segment. Here's what we're going to do.

Oh, nice. We're going to, uh-huh. And so we're going to, I'm going to ask you, I'm going to tell you 15 statements. You're going to tell me immediately, as quick as you can, if you think they're true or false. Okay. And they have a right answer. Are you ready? Yes. By the way, if you get 10 or more correct, we're going to give you immediately as quick as you can if you think they're true or false okay and they have a right answer are you ready yes by the way if you get 10 or more correct we're going to give you 50 us dollars 50 us dollars thank you there are no there are no reptiles in

antarctica true true everyone's tongue print is the same false false kimono translates to thing to wear true true the inventor of gatorade sun invented powerade false false usc's horse mascot is named reacher false false it's traveler traveler the oldest known instrument is 50 000 years old true true the current governor of virginia is glenn yunkin true true machine gun Gun Kelly is 5'11". False. False. 6'4". Sudan has the most pyramids of any country. False. True. Your first one.

I know, dude. I was in it with you. The sticker on a piece of fruit is designed to be edible. Yes. True. Earth tree. Yes. Yes.

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False. False too! Four! Tug of War was an Olympic event from 1900 to 1920. I'm going to say true. True. Prince played 27 different instruments on his debut album. He played everything, but I don't know if it's 27 yes true true okay wow how many to get 13 jeez i don't think we've ever had someone score that high all right yo that first seven i was like there's no

way i'm no i was literally like i had butterflies i can't believe it i can't believe it i was like what has he done but wow wow, I did pretty good. You did really good. I did pretty good. And the way we keep- 50 US dollars. The way we keep costs low on the show is we don't pay you. But thank you for playing. I have a question for you, and it's the most important question on the show, and it's Brian

Robert Jones. What is so true to you? justin timberlake's man of the woods walked so that cowboy carter could run whoa whoa whoa okay and let me explain this i was hoping that you might um justin timberlake's man of the woods by the way lifelong nsync fan Justin Timberlake has made some mistakes love him he's like an uncle to me yeah anyways

I have I always listen I always check it out I don't I expect you know he started making kids music essentially Man of the Woods was an attempt to blend

hip-hop and country music yeah that Justin Timberlake tried to do there are some extremely high highs and some extraordinarily low lows on that album. Yeah.

But sonically, the sonic palette is kind of very similar to that of Beyonce Knowles' Uh-huh. Beyonce Knowles-Carter's. Yeah, take Cowboy Carter.

Yeah. And this is kind of, people are not gonna like this yeah but a lot of people also didn't listen to that record and if you listen to that record and then listen to cowboy carter you're like because i went back i checked you went in there i searched for evidence you went into a lot of the same producers yeah really a lot of the same producers wow just saying and it's like but like some of the some of some of the songs on the on the on the justin timberlake album i like go back and listen to for like till till to because

it makes me laugh yeah because it's so funny yeah um there's one called uh flannel where it's like this nice guitar song and then these like horrible 808s come in and it's the funniest thing i've ever heard in my entire life um gotta gotta listen to it if you haven't checked out that album it's a it's a the whole press tour for that album is one of the funniest things i've ever seen too like marketed as is like oh do you know something filthy yeah you know filthy about justin timberlake no i do not actually so he so he released like a press press package for this album this is 2018 by the way yeah releases a press package for this album uh This is 2018, by the way. Yeah. Released a press package for this album.

And he's in flannels and in the woods and snow. And he's like, this album's about... In fact, I remember seeing this. Yeah, exactly. He's like, album's where I'm from. He's wearing Timberlands and doing the whole thing. He's like, yeah. His whole tour design was camo and doing this whole thing.

I was like, oh, that's cool. And then the first music video drops, and it's him at an Apple keynote presenting a dancing robot. And it's him in a mo-cap suit doing the robot and dancing. And it's like a dubstep song, sort of. Yeah. I feel bad that I can't do visual aids. I wrote a 10-page article about just this album and the record rollout and everything. And I never published it.

But it is the funniest. It's one of the most bizarre things you've ever seen from a major artist. And I highly recommend everybody check it out. But it's kind of the same mission statement as Cowboy Carter. But it's a lot of the same producers. And I have a feeling some of it was born out of that but i could be wrong who's your favorite songwriter oh my favorite songwriter yeah who is my favorite songwriter i don't know yeah i love music and songs but i'm like

favorite songwriter oh i love songwriters but like no like can you say who your favorite band is uh yeah who's your favorite band the chicks oh okay they just and it's because they know that they run such a central they're so central to all so many parts of my life well my favorite songwriter this is too niche for anyone my favorite songwriter is claudio sanchez claudio sanchez claudio sanchez claudio sanchez from the rock band coheed and cambria uh-huh which is like a science fiction rock band who has remained one of my favorite bands since i was like 12 years old yeah and he just like weaves this like science fiction story like rock opera thing into like all of his music and it's like complex but he also like plays these crazy guitarists and sings at the same time yeah people only know them from they had one song in guitar hero that was

like really big a lot of people only know them from that but there's so much more than that there's so much more than there's so much more than that like and and they're they're they're most recent album they've been at it for over 20 i think they started in 2002 they've been like 22 years the most recent albums like maybe like my third favorite one yeah it's crazy that's crazy yeah and and people like this isn't very universal i'm sorry my interests are a little too sorry i'm i'm i'm not like other guys why do you think i wear this hat i'm a weirdo i'm i consume so little content yeah these days i feel like i haven't seen like any shows i watch like five movies a year yeah i watch like all i i'm and i oh my party trick you'll like this my party trick and this is this is embarrassing for me by the way and i'm kind of ashamed of this my party trick is i can

explain in excruciating detail uh the plot of uh any marvel movie or Star Wars movie. And it like really annoys, the Marvel stuff really annoys people. Yeah. Because like all just like around all my friends who have not seen any of the movies are kind of repulsed by the idea. I will go into excruciating detail

about the plot of Avengers Infinity War and Endgame and what it means. And like also Marvel rumors. I know all of them. It's really upsetting. It's like an addiction I have. And I'm like, I don't care about this, but I still watch all the fucking videos online.

And it's really upsetting to me. I love this about you. I would love to hear you do that anytime. Yeah, well, the thing is... You're going to do it now? Do every single one of them? Well, Marvel wiped their slate for this year. Pretty much.

And they have shows coming out. The shows are always kind of bad. I've watched every episode of every single one. The shows are not as good as they could be, I should say. But Deadpool and Wolverine is coming out this year,

which is the first R-rated movie in the Marvel franchise, which is a big deal. Ryan Reynolds is going to be goofy in it and say, fucking talk about sex. And give back shots to the Wolverine.

Yeah, exactly. But next year, there's a lot of stuff. There's a lot of exciting stuff. And it was, you know, there's, I can, I know like five different like rumored sets of fantastic forecasting.

Whoa. Yeah. It's upsetting. I'm up for it. They want me to play the guy. Oh really? Yeah. Are you going to be what the,

the, the human torch or the thing? Are you going to be Reed Richards? They want me the thing? Or are you going to be Reed Richards? They want me to be the last one you said. Reed Richards? Yeah. Mr. Fantastic? Yeah.

Right? Yeah. No, that's it. That's it. That's cool. You would be good at that. And I think a lot of people would, you know, they would maybe typecast you as the thing, which I think is insane.

Is that what Michael Chiklis was? Yeah, that's what Chiklis was. That tracks. And I said a lot of people would, but I think you're the more creative choice for Reed Richards. Thank you. Mr. Fantastic.

Thank you. Which is great. Yeah, of course. And then you know all the drama around Secret Wars, so think about pivoting from Kang to Doom. That's kind of the rumor, but it could be anyone, because Galactus is apparently going to be,

it's rumored Javier Bardem is going to be Galactus in Fantastic Four, but they're going for a Latino lead. It's been heavily rumored that it's going to be, it's rumored Javier Bardem is going to be Galactus in Fantastic Four. But like, they're going for a Latino lead. It's been heavily rumored that it's going to be Javier Bardem, but like no one really knows. They haven't announced it yet. It's probably going to be him.

They're filming it like soon. But it's also coming out in July next year or something, which is insane. Like they can't get, like the fact they try to make these movies so quick is exactly what's wrong. And everyone's like, oh, they're going to wait and they're going to make Fantastic Four right. Thank you guys so much for tuning in's like, oh, they're going to wait and they're going to make Fantastic Four right.

Thank you guys so much for tuning in. They're going to make Fantastic Four correct. And they're going to do it. They're going to do it correct. But it's like, no, they're not. They're rushing this one too. We're not saved. Like, it's not going to get better.

Thank you for listening to So True Podcast. It's just going to be bad still. Have an incredible day. We love you guys. For Secret Wars, they're going to do the whole Battle World thing, I'm pretty sure. But there's going to be multiple Spider-Men. There's going to be the multiple Reed Richards. There's going to be multiple.