So True with Caleb Hearon - Caitie Delaney Slept in a Coffin

Episode Date: September 18, 2025

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this is a headgum podcast yeah there was nowhere to bring that i don't know where i would have reported such a thing yeah and also like unpaid internships are those not a thing anymore i'm sure they are but i don't think i don't think i don't think i could get away with having an unpaid intern yeah people will come out for you i've looked into it i think you know that you and i would have, and I know I say this to a lot of women and it's like a theme of the show, but you and I would have a beautiful life together. I didn't know that was the theme of the show. I do.

I say it a lot, but I mean it. We do have a beautiful life together. Like you and I specifically, I think I would have different beautiful lives with other women, but you and I, our beautiful life is like, we live in a cottage. Our house would be amazing. We're always wearing like, you know those sweaters that have like the really thick collar, like the cardigans with the really big collar?

Yes. We're both wearing those and like wearing our glasses like this and being like, did you read that? On the porch. Did you read that? Did you hear about Taylor Swift? Did you read about, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're like going over the news of the day, drinking tea and slippers. That would be really gorgeous.

We have 10 dogs running around. Where do we live? Where is it? I think like probably East Coast. Yeah. Because this is like settled down vibes. You and I are probably like, this is later in life. Yeah.

In this life, you and I, I mean, I'm trying to get you to Canton City, of course, in real life. Yeah. In this life, we live on like a coastal town in Maine or something. Martha's Vineyard. Fresh. London. London. We did live there together, technically.

We did live in London briefly. About three weeks. Yeah. That's living together. Did we? I don't know if I ever told on this story the way that that Airbnb host tried to scam us. Oh my God. And I got my lick back.

But you were so right that like we had such problems with her. And I think you said like this is an issue to us now and feels like the biggest thing in the world. But a week from now, we will not remember what the problem was and why we were mad. And it's true for me. She was really pissing us off. And in the moment of us both being pissed off, I was like, in a week we'll forget this. won't care, it ever happened. That's exactly what happened.

Yeah, that is what happened. There was something about towels. Well, we asked her, we were staying in an Airbnb for three weeks. We rented in a bar, a flat for three weeks. Yeah. And we message her, like, maybe a weekend and say, hey, would it be possible to just come change the sheets over one time for us? Mm-hmm. And she goes, I won't be possible, you know, or whatever.

Over message. Yeah. She's like, she's like, she's like, hey, sorry. We don't do that, but there's sheets, there's clean. sheets in the closet, it'll be a fee if you use them, though. And I said, okay, so just be clear, we're staying here for three weeks. It's an additional fee if we get the sheets out of the closet

ourselves. And she goes, yeah, it just, you know, because the cleaner will have to do extra sheets. And I said, what's the fee? And she said, like, a hundred euro or something. Yeah, she told us about the fee before she told us the fee. Oh. Because I ripped open the bag of the sheets. And then she was like, it'll be a hundred pounds

or whatever. I was like, fuck. Yeah. She told us. She told us. That we didn't use the sheets. I think she told us, I think I'm forgetting the order of it, she told us there was a fee before she told us anything. She goes, oh yeah, we can get you new sheets. It'll be a fee. And then we go, okay, that's fine, charge it. And then she goes, okay, open up that closet. They're in there. And we go, oh, no, so it's coming here to put them on. We thought we were paying for someone to come and do it. Yes, that's what it was. Yeah. And I said, do you think

that's a little crazy just because we're staying here for three weeks that you would charge us to grab our own sheets out of the thing? And she goes, yeah, well, you booked an Airbnb, not a hotel love. And while she did eat a little bit with that, She is a dumb bitch still. That's crazy. I was like, yo. And then she... It was the whole thing to get like extra keys, I think.

Like one extra key. She didn't want to give us extra keys for the two of us. And we're there for three weeks on different schedules. And then I got my lick back, though, because when we were leaving, I did break a lamp on accident. Oh, yeah. That's on me. And I turned my suitcase a weird way the lamp fell off. It was like a cheap five euro lamp.

I knew she was going to overcharge. I messaged her. I said, hey, I'm so sorry. This knocked over. We cleaned it up, but you'll have to get a new lamp for that table. And she goes, ooh, that lamp was 75 euro. reader no it wasn't but I go

okay that's your prerogative I did break the lamp but then she charged us for that in the sheets which we out of principle decided not to use and I messed her back and I said at the end of the day I said hey I subtracted the lamp cost I won't actually be sending you money for the lamp I subtracted it from what you charged us for the sheets you owe us 30 euro

and she said she said nothing and I responded every day for like four days and I said waiting on our 30 euro and she didn't get back to me so I contacted Airbnb and said hey you can look at our messages and see why this woman owes me Now, do I need the 30 euro? No, but she got her lick in with the little Airbnb hotel message, which was so cunt and fierce of her, by the way, and I love a diva, but I'm getting

my 30 euro. And then the hour after I contacted Airbnb, she sent our 30 euro. That's right. And I did this. Thank you, Caleb. It was also one of those Airbnbs where you had to, like, go to a shop, like, a bit away. Yeah, you have to go, like, five blocks away to, like, a convenience store and I beg the guy for the keys. Yeah. No, she would not. We never met her. She would not meet us there.

Yeah. She was a real night. And it was above a nightclub. Yeah. A thumping nightclub. Didn't mention that. She also, just to give you context for why I was being so insane to her, she earned it in a million little ways. But one of the things she did was she listed the apartment as having AC.

There was a unit in both the bedrooms and not the other three levels of the house. So we were in London summer heat wave with no air conditioning. Humidity. Which I know they live like that, but sorry, I'm from somewhere better. I'm from a place where we don't rock like that So I was livid love Yeah But we had so much fun

We did have so much fun I got you really into line biking I almost died Yeah you didn't A couple of times I didn't The time you weren't there I almost died Did you?

When I was crying And you didn't want a line bike with me at all No I was so scared But we got there You are so, you're just like off And you're on your way And you're like you've got it And then you're room

Down the street I love them I almost ran straight into a bus. I remember the intersection. I could probably, like, if we went back to London, I could find the intersection. Oh, that's the intersection where I ran into the bus almost. It was on the way back from when we got ice cream with Shelby. Yeah.

You guys, you were in front. Shelby was in the back so that I felt safe in the middle. We did do that for you. I didn't feel safe. It helped a little bit, but I didn't really feel safe in the middle. And then you were just hoffing it and went sort of around a bus. And I don't know. I have a lot of fun on those things.

I have a lot of fun on those things. But you got me there. Katie? Yeah. How the hell are you? Oh my God. I'm good. Yeah?

Yeah. What's been going on with you? Nothing. Nothing. Fucking. Fucking chilling. I should have thought of something that's been going on with me before coming to your podcast. What have you been watching?

Watching listening to? Anything good? I've been watching Jersey Shore. Whoa. Yeah, which I never watched before. Welcome back to the fold. Yeah. But it's new for you.

New. Whoa. Yeah. How are you feeling about it? I really like it. Are you getting into GTL? Are you wanting to GTL? GtL is a really nice.

Yeah, that's like. like the morning routine before the morning routine. It's like a great concept, actually. Jim Tan Laundry, why not? And those guys respect themselves. They don't respect women. No. But they didn't have to.

It was different. It was different than. That is like the one sort of thing missing for me with Jersey Shore is like it's really wholesome. They all like really love each other. They're really funny. Polly D is like hilarious. Yeah.

But they're horrible to women. The misogyny really jumps out. The grenade thing. I like vaguely recall that from I was probably in color. Or no, I think I was just out of college when it started airing. And Grenade became like, you know, part of the parlance, yeah. Yeah. It's tough when fat phobia is funny.

Because, like, I'll be honest, I hated it. But the first time I heard Grenade, I was like, you got to give your 10 sometimes. I was watching, I was watching Pitch Perfect last night. Who were you? And the frat guy, the frat guy goes like, I was expecting the hot bella's, not this barnyard explosion. In reference to, like, a chubby, a chubby, a chubby, what's her name? The blonde. Yeah, she doesn't like that. Rebel Wilson.

Yeah. She's only chubby in that movie, by the way. They make her out to be some, like, obese monstrosity. She's a little chunky. Like, and he calls her, he calls it a barnyard explosion. Sorry, I laughed. That is really funny. Well, the interesting thing about grenades is, at least the ones that they portray on the show are usually not overweight. No, that's what I'm saying. Who are just, like, normal looking, I guess. Or like, don't have fake kids. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting. It is interesting. And there's levels of grenade. there's like grenade there's like atomic bomb or something

I forgot what they are it like goes up it moves up to like more destructive explosives like yeah mind you all those guys look like so it's like it's like who are you who are you saying anything about a snooky you look like a

F-A-G-G-O-T my love not cute I mean the only really cute one was Vinny to me okay but then now you know too much about him right he's like a trumper he is yeah in an open micer pathetic. Sorry, but to be a Trumper and an open micers, like, pick a struggle, brother.

Something really interesting to me watching it, I think it was season four, Vinnie came out about his anxiety disorder. Which was maybe one of the first times in reality TV, I think someone spoke about having anxiety. Yeah, did it move you for real? Were you moved?

No, I found it interesting. He left the house because his anxiety was so bad. And it's like, yeah, we were probably doing a lot of drugs, drinking every night, not sleeping. You're not helping. You guys are all pulling pranks on each other all the time like yeah yeah that's price you have anxiety brother you're gonna get anxiety from never sleeping consuming a lot of substances and living in a prank house really get anxiety yeah yeah your blood will start to uh operate at a different temperature for sure

oh that's so funny you're getting into jersey shore i know what the hell i wasn't really big into it when it was on i just kind of consumed it by osmosis because everyone was watching that's how i feel yeah i was like i kind of feel like i know what happened like i know about the note about bed and i know but I like I know about her getting arrested and I know about Sammy and Ronnie shit like I know it just because all my friends talked about it Sammy and Ronnie see it see it. See I knew all this stuff too and then I was like it's time to dig in and actually see it the lead up to the note is really fun and Sammy and Ronnie is unbelievable they break up and get back together 10 12 14 times yeah it's out of control that's awesome though yeah it's really fun everyone has a straight couple like that like I you I had a straight couple like that in high school that I was like oh my god they're so Sammy and Ronnie coded they're horrible for each other they're like are they They're like fire and gasoline. What? Are they together now? Don't remember.

Don't know. Don't remember. I have a special thing that happened with my brain where I don't remember most of the people I went to high school with. And I mean that in a serious way where like truly my, the couple people I'm friends with from high school will bring up somebody. They'll be like, oh, you remember Anastasia Cupcake. And I'm like, it'll be like a distinctive name that I should totally remember. I'm like, I don't, they're like, you had five classes with her senior year. You guys rode to school together.

I'll be like, oh. You guys went to prom together. I'm like, no, no, no, me and Anastasia Cupcake, just science. And you went to high school recently compared to me. I graduated high school eight months ago. You're doing really well for yourself. It has been a ride since then, yeah. When did you really graduate in high school?

You don't want to talk about this. Fine, fine, 2013. Woo! I was just here already. You were in L.A. Working for Jared Letto. That was after Jared Lotto. Oh, you'd already worked for Jared Lotto.

2009, 2010, when you're in second grade. I'm working for Jared Lotto. I'm saying my first words. Jared. That's your boss, yeah. That's how we knew. What did you do for Jared Lotto again? I forget.

Oh, just like random shit. It started, it was a Craigslist ad for a, this is 2009. So I guess like the only way to get a job. There were no other, LinkedIn was on a thing, yeah, I don't think. I just graduated college. And it was a listing for like an editorial, turn on a documentary. And in college, I went to college in Vermont.

I was an anthropology, sociology major. I was like, maybe I could get into documentary filmmaking. That sounds great. And I show up to the interview that you're like, yeah, it's Jared Letto. It's about Jared Letto in his band. And I'm like going back, because first they said 30 seconds to Mars, which is the name of his band. And in my head, I'm going, the Mars Volta. And I'm like, who's that guy?

I'm like trying to understand who Jared Letto is and that he's apparently in the Mars Volta, mixing it up. I realize who he is, and the job is editing footage from his house on a documentary that he is making about himself. And I did that for like two years. That's awesome. And I wasn't paid for like the first year of it. Yeah. He was being sued by his record company at the time for $30 million because he had like failed to deliver the number of albums that he was contracted to do.

and so he was really obviously taken aback by the injustice of that and made a documentary about it and then I think it turned into more of like a documentary about the music industry but I was long gone by the time that came out of oh yeah this feels like an era of L.A. that is dead and gone of like in some ways yeah in some ways good but also like a lot of interesting shit seemed to be happening back then like you just be I don't know it just is interesting that you're like fall into Jared Letto's house you're falling into Jared Letto's house like it's not like that anymore now it's a very tight network of who's recommended for what and like True. It really is just like that felt like such an era. It was. And like it was like a week into getting to L.A. And then it's my first day. And I'm in Jared Leto's house in a spare bedroom.

And he's just like walking around eating cereal. It was very strange. Weird. Yeah. You watch movies sometimes from that era, like Judd Apatown movies or something. And you're like, you're like, oh, that feels totally different than the L.A. that I lived in. And I'm doing the same shit they were doing. I'm working in comedy in Los Angeles. But I don't feel the way that they're depicting. And it feels like that was a whole different thing they were doing. Like getting going. like getting your start, like getting jobs.

It's the phone. I think it's the cell phones are a big part of it and no one wants to hear you talk about that really. But like it's like I do think it's just like it was a different thing back then. People were less inhibited because they felt less watched, I think, even though they were quite famous. I think in their day to day life,

they felt less watched. And so they're more comfortable hiring an intern for their documentary about themselves and not paying them. You know what I mean? You didn't have that now. You didn't have this sense, you know, that you were going to get ripped apart for that someday

like you should, you know? It just was, I think it feels like it was a less inhibited time when people were being more insane. which is bad, but interesting. Yeah, that is interesting. It's probably true. Yeah, there was nowhere to bring that. I don't know where I would have reported such a thing.

Yeah, don't care. And also, like, unpaid internships, are those not a thing anywhere? I'm sure they are, but I don't think I, I don't think I could get away with having an unpaid intern. Yeah, people will come out for you. I've looked into it. No, we like to pay in all seriousness. But I do. But, hey, I learned so much, invaluable experience.

I got exposure to the industry. I learned how to go grocery shopping for him. Yeah. It did turn into like I just did like every sort of job that came up when the editing work sort of fell off. We went on tour with him. How was that? It was rough. Yeah.

I have really bad motion sickness, which is probably like something you could just read about me and like my personality that I'm someone who gets really bad motion sickness. Yeah. And we slept on the bus every night and I threw up like every night. I don't like that You were in one of the bunks I was in one of the bunks Have you done tour bus before? No

No And I'm actually thinking next tour I will I've always been anti-tour bus But then I've talked to a lot of people Who do the tour bus And I'm like The time that we spent On this last tour

Leaving the theater Going back to the hotel to drop off our stuff Going out to see friends Going back sleeping for four hours Going to the airport early enough To get on the plane I think Nightmare

Had we just put our shit on the bus Gone straight to see friends for an hour and a half, got in, gone to sleep while we're being driven to the next venue and woken up at the place, I think that convenience would make up for the kind of like bad sleep and annoying, like, yeah, I was going to say, if you can sleep and yeah, if you can make it happen. It is like being in a coffin. I'll need to sedate and I won't be in the coffin. You'll be on the big bed in the back. I'll be on the big bed in the back. You guys will be in the coffin. Some of my cooler, nicer musician friends are like, yeah, you can, like, you can

turn the back bedroom into another hangout area for everybody and I go, it'll be my bedroom. We were not going to hang in. I'm not squeezing into the coffin. Yeah, fair enough. Chance of Virginia, all my love, all my love to them. Get in your coffin. They will look so cute in their coffins. I'm going to tape their coffins shut.

Like when you're on a high school trip so they would know that you didn't go do stuff overnight. I'm like, okay, and no one's hanging out without me. Here's your tape. Good night. I get up, the tape's broken. I'm like, guys, meeting. Who did this?

Meeting in my suite. I fell out of my coffin once. The first night. I like woke up. I was on the top bunk, woke up super disoriented, and you forgot where I was, and sort of, like, freaked out. Because it's like, you're laying this thing,

and the ceiling is like, here. Yeah. It's like super close to you. Yeah. So I woke up, I was like, where the fuck am I? And I went, huh, to, like, sit up and I hit the thing. And then I was like, oh, I'm, like, being buried alive. It was that feeling like, oh, shit, I'm fucked.

And I rolled out, and I hit the ground. And then that was, like, the story for the rest of that tour. Jared Liddell made a lot of fun of me for that. But now I'm making fun of him For all the other stuff Well all the other stuff that's gone on Yeah What transpired from there

When did you start actually writing for TV after that? So interesting Because you're from Massachusetts From Massachusetts You go to school in Vermont That's right You come out here Straight here

And now Jared You do Jared Then I'm like enough of that I got fired Yeah I say enough of that They let me go

I got fired and it like broke my heart I was like I lost my heart mind. It was the first time I've ever been fired and I just thought it was the end of my life. I'm like 22 years old. I'm like that. I have to move home. It feels like that. Then you get really good at getting fired if you do it enough. I don't think it's happened since then. I've been fired enough times that it starts to feel good. You start to feel proud of them because you're like you should fire me. You know, you start to because I was bad at my jobs. You're trying to goad them into doing

it. Well, it's like I was bad at my jobs and they were right to fire me. Oh God, I was a horrible. I was a horrible. I was a horrible at all of them. I was a horrible at most of them. I mean, I just didn't care. I was like I wanted to do comedy and so it's like this time paying my bills and I do not want to be here and I will not make errors about it but like waiting tables like what kind of I was really good at waiting tables that's actually probably waiting tables is probably the one job that I you are so good at that I know you are love to be doing yeah like I actually love waiting tables but 40% obviously I prefer this job over that but I was horrible like being an assistant being in offices I had one I was I'm sure I've said this on the show but I had one boss who was so

sweet. I kept showing up to work late and she said, you know, do you have an alarm clock? Can I get you one? She was trying to like remove barriers to me and I had to say my love, I have one and I'm coming late regardless. I just was, yeah, that was my

I just wasn't doing it. Yeah, fine. Well, it worked out for you. But you got fired and then what'd you do after Jared when you put yourself back together? I did some stuff. Well, I built back stronger than ever. I did a lot of random jobs. I work on like a Nickelodeon game show where people got slimes remember being slimed yeah I would like clean up the kids after they got

slimed hosing down the kids out back y'all get the slime off of you I would run out with like big towels and be like here here it's like watered down vanilla pudding so it's really gross yeah um yeah bring them out to like shower and stuff that was a fun job uh what else well I started my TV career TV writing career maybe like 10 years ago now 10, 11, 12 years ago Make a choice Well it would have been

It would have been 2014 So that's yeah 11 years ago I was a PA You were a PA last man standing That's right Okay last man standing Tim Allen's sitcom last man standing

Tim Allen's last man standing I got a random It was like supposed to be a temp job and because like the guy Who was the writer's PA broke his leg And they were like We need someone for just two weeks while he, like, is on the mend.

And then that guy never came back. They were like, we like you, you're going to stay. So I never found out who that guy was, but... Somewhere out there, there's a guy who never had a career in TV because of that, and he's telling a different story. Katie Daly stole my job. Abel. Abel. Two legs, willing.

Ready to run scripts. So, yeah, it all started then. How was your experience on Last Man Standing as a first TV job? Yeah, it was interesting. Like, in terms of a TV job that's, like, instructive for... all of my future work it wasn't great like that was a classic sitcom and we don't really have many of those left

like it was really cool working on that you like record in front of a studio audience I haven't experienced that since I don't think they're really doing it much like that anymore multi-cam sitcoms are still a thing but like not nearly as much as they were no it used to be the thing yeah yeah that's crazy we just don't do that at all we don't really that was so fun

and you write an episode every week and on like Thursday and Friday you tape it and then you you move on to the next thing. How'd you wind up at Rick and Morty? Well. Let me regale. Well, I moved up. I was a PA, and then I was a showrunner's assistant.

Did the classic ladder. I was a writer's assistant, which, as you know, you've been in writer's rooms before. You're in the room writing down where everyone says. And I was a writer's assistant on a show called Kidding, starring Jim Carrey, Showtime Show. I don't think that many people ended up seeing it, really, directed by Michelle Gondry. Um, don't care. Oh, I care. I'm listening intently.

Uh, and I got the Rick and Morty job from that. Uh, I submitted for it. And this is something they did that I think is sort of like frowned upon maybe in the industry, but I thought it was great. They said, you're not pregnant, are you? You don't got any diseases or anything, do you? Um, no, they did like a blind submission test. So, uh, we were tasked with writing two cold, opens that could be the beginning

of a Rick and Morty episode and submit it anonymously. And then they went through a pile and read them and picked the ones that they like the best. It's frowned upon because you're doing like work for free. But I think they probably told us when we submitted like we're not going to actually use this. And like they don't need to use that. I think people think like

oh if I write like a spec script and they really like it, they're going to fucking steal it and make that episode of TV and it's like no. The reason you're trying to get a job with them is because they don't need your work. It's like no, they're actually not They're not dying for your idea over at Rick and Morty. Yeah, they're going to be fine without that. And I think nine times out of ten or maybe even ten times out of ten,

if you have an idea for a show and you're like, why haven't I done that? I'm going to write the spec script. They have fucking thought of that idea. And there's a reason they didn't do it. And it's probably the reason that your spec script is not that great. Yeah. So anyways, I got the job.

Yeah. Well, that's a very particular, I'm very interested in like that world of comedy that you started to work in because that kind of fan base is a very particular. place that has such intense dedicated fans that they do start to think like well I could write this I know this very well I'm just as good at this as they are I know the character so well it's a very bought

in fan base that has its own like peculiarities and like interesting little pieces yeah that's where you like really cut your teeth on like writing comedy right yeah I guess so yeah I don't really think about it that I still struggle to accept that I write comedy

that's my job oh thank you so much I was hoping for that. Yeah. And maybe I'm happy to provide it. Yeah, I just, yeah, I really like it, but I guess I'm still suffering from imposter syndrome, like, to this day of, like, someday soon someone's going to figure out that I'm not supposed to be here.

And I better just collect until they realize. Yeah, I'm waking it in until then. Yeah, that's scary. I hate that feeling for you, though, because you are so good at it. Thank you. That's very nice. And we've gotten to work together on stuff. We wrote a

We spent years developing a show together We did Called Best Budds It was a cartoon How come it never happened Well it went multiple places I mean we We gave me and I developed this show

Originally for What was that? Peacock? No Oh Try again Remember it was for Quibby? Quibby

Right Oh God What a humiliating industry Yeah we developed a show For what was it Oh Quibi Which is short for quick bite

Of course we developed it for Quibi and then it didn't obviously happen there because of their imminent failure and then we did it develop it for Peacock Belbar Quibby Long time with Peacock they decided not to make it

Universal then we developed Netflix bought it then we developed it for Netflix so thankfully we made money off this show like quite a bit but no one ever made it and you and I truly writing this show laughed so goddamn hard

it was really fun Katie and I will never forget one day we were writing and we just worked so well together like I really enjoyed writing developing that with you. There was one day where we were writing

that my character in the animated show gets so stoned. Oh my God. That he thinks he's moving quickly but he's moving so slow climbing a ladder to go up a building

and we were truly like we really wanted it we wanted the sequence to go on for like two and a half minutes. It's like half the episode truly like him just like we got to hurry up we got to go tell this character

this thing. Yeah. And it's like okay we'll go tell him and then just like 30 seconds of like unmoving still frame just like them sitting there

I'm so stoned. And we were crying, laughing, writing this. And we had so many moments like that where we would just be truly like weeping, writing these ideas. Yeah. A lot of fun. It's really weird that you can do all that. And then people are just like, no, we don't want it. Yeah, we're going in a, we're actually, we're actually, we're sorry.

We fired the whole team that bought this from you. And the new team wants to go family friendly or whatever. Yeah. They changed their mandate overnight. Or quad. And all of a sudden, you're like, oh, my thing is not, doesn't fit into your deal anymore. It is the weirdest thing. especially when executives, not to, like, go off about executives,

tell you, like, what the company is looking for right now. And it's like, well, we're really looking for our Ted Lasso. And it's like, no, you're not. Like, you're looking for your Ted Lasso now. By the time you find it and you produce your Ted Lasso, and it's like three years in the future, no one fucking wants to see a Ted Lasso anymore. It'll be a flop and you won't make it.

You can't go with what these people are telling you they're looking for. You just have to do the best thing that you can. Also, fuck family friendly media. Yeah. I'm just going to say it. Fuck that shit. Fuck it. I'm tired of hearing about it.

Fuck you. I don't want to. They say we need something that everyone, that everyone would want to watch. Fuck everyone. Yeah. I want to make stuff for the people that want to watch me. Yeah. If you don't like me, don't tune in, bitch. Caleb quad. Caleb quad. We're doing, you know what content? Caleb being happy. Caleb being sad.

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that are wonderful producers who we both love. They're like, maybe we could do it live action. And that's when I said, I'm out. That to me was like, we're trying too hard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That to me was the death. Well, we didn't hear anything after that, so I don't think. Yeah.

Yeah. Maybe they tried. Everyone else was like. No. Yeah. We also had a, we had a really funny character in that show that he's a 12-step sober recovery guy that runs the liquor store. And we loved him. We really loved him.

There was like a Hooters-esque restaurant. There was an astrophysicist who was a server at Hooters. That's right. They're all really smart and have their master's degrees. They're all there to pay off their PhDs. Because we're allies. We're so funny. And we have the teens who work at the Boos Mobile and no one really knows what happens at Boost Mobile.

that's right empty store empty store you go in and you're like what do they do and they're like for sure and you're like okay and then they had that door to the back where like every time they open it it's like a fucking rave going on back there and they want to see what's back they're so mad well that show doesn't exist yeah stuff telling us about your non-existent show okay so you wrote on rick and morty yeah and then after that you've done so much like what did you just punch up you just punched up something um gee i don't know i did i've i do some punch up i write jokes You and I also, I think, became friends because we were both

We both got big on Twitter during a golden era Twitter when we were big on Twitter was like, that was the spot And you were fucking... You left, you're gone now Oh, I left. I'm still in there. It's horrible! I'm fighting for my life over there. I like, you know, it's like I look at my follower account

and I'm like, three of these people are still here and watching and real. It's bad vibes on there Heyday of our Twitter time though You were getting invited to Chance the Rapper's fucking recording That's right, that did happen Like Katie was like a fucking Like an icon of the Twitter golden era

And then I showed up and he was just like I think he like thought I was gonna be like funnier And I showed up to Chance's recording studio And I was just like very quiet and intimidated And like nervous about like what to do He was very nice but it was bizarre and also like I thought

I was like getting scammed for a second before I met up with him because he was so like he just DM'd me and he's like you're so funny I love Rick and Morty like come to the studio I was like what? And he like gave me his phone number I was like huh

and then like that didn't happen and then it was like many months later I had like saved his number in my phone and I'm just like lying on the couch and my phone lights up and it's like Chancellor rapper is FaceTiming you and I was like huh and I just like didn't know what to do

I didn't pick it up and then it hung up and then he texted me and he was like oh I'm sorry I realized that's probably like weird it might be weird to get a FaceTime from me we've like never talked before yeah and he was like I'm out to student and I'll like you should come just hang out and I was like okay I'm not doing anything sure and then I was about to leave the house

and I was like you know what chance FaceTime me because now I think this is a scam yeah and you're gonna fucking kill me and then he FaceTime me and it was him and then we went and hung out That's so fun very strange Twitter used to be so different That's how it was back then yeah that was like Twitter was Just like anybody who, if you followed someone who was doing something interesting and they followed you back, it was like in a, in a seconds notice, we will turn this into a real life hang. No problem. It was so fun.

That's how we became friends. You and I. We followed each other. I thought, I think you are brilliant. I thought you were brilliant. And I was like, we've got to be friends. And I loved your jokes. And then we are.

I remember what made me fall in love with you. The video. Well, sugar, tell them. Tell our story, Shug. The video where I was like, this guy's fucking hilarious, is when you're listening to your friend tell a story and you're, like, trying to interject. Dude, give him a little taste. When you're venting to affirming a friend who's clearly in the wrong, that was the big viral. Yes.

That was like one of the ones. But it was the one where you're saying like, but if you, yeah. Right. Right. And if she, yeah. No, I would say in a career you have to have many breaks. That was my first

big. That was bigger. Earlier that year, that was 2019, earlier that year, I had screen tested for S&L. And this was bigger than that. I mean, this was like, this was like people because a bunch of funny people and cool people making stuff like you saw it and were like, oh, maybe this guy's funny. That was big, that video was big for me.

My big video, never live it down is the Fat Joe. Oh my God, you in the fucking recording studio. Yeah. guys ever see this it was it was katy pretending to be the sound engineer for a fat joe song and he goes turn the fucking mic on and she goes it's hot it still comes up a lot it's so funny and it's that type of thing do you have this feeling when like everyone thinks something you've done is really funny where you start to be like it's not that funny yeah you start to go god with this yeah and then as soon

as people really liked it i felt like okay i have to keep doing this and there's plenty of songs that have the same sort of like, you know, especially like a rapper like saying some shit at the beginning of the track that you can react to. But the more I tried to do it, I was like, what am I doing? This is not, I've got to find something else.

Yeah, you're chasing the dragon. Yeah. I don't like when people think I'm that funny. Yeah. It's like I want to tell them like, okay. I do. When people think I'm that funny, I go, yeah. Yes, you're right.

No, I do, when they latch on to one specific. I want them to think I'm holistically funny. I want them to think that each new thing I do is funnier than the last. So when they hang on to an old one for too long, I'm like, come on. Yeah, I've got other stuff. I've got other stuff, man. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't, really. That's kind of my one thing. That's kind of my one thing. So then, yeah, we met, and then I moved to L.A. We were mutuals for a bit. Did we meet when I moved to L.A.? That's right. During the pandemic.

Yeah, during the pandemic. I don't think we met before that. No, that's huge for us. We would meet up at the Krispy Cream. We met up at the Krispy Cream. Oh, yeah, we would eat Krispy Cream on the hood of my car in Burbank. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Isn't that so sweet? L.A. Pandemic was like wholesome and nightmarish. Yeah. It was like really cute because everyone was finding these like old school ways to connect where they're like, you guys want to go sit around the fire, you know? But it was also like looming like disasters all the all around. It felt very dystopic movie. Yeah.

Pandemic. Some say it's still happening. Well, we'd have to have one of them on. Come on out. Tony. It's Tony Fauci. Mr. Fauci. Mr. Fauci?

I'm not calling you doctor. Mr. Fauci? Where is he? Right there. Katie, what's so true to you, dude? Oh my God. Okay. Should we do a nice one or a mean one?

Me! Yeah. I kind of want to, and I don't know if anyone has gone off about this on your show, stop me if they have. I think that if you use ChatGPT, you are probably the worst imaginable person you did not believe in the future of humanity

you don't care about other people I think it's pathetic it's so fucking pathetic because what do you mean you need it you don't need it you didn't need it a year and a half ago to make dinner and all of a sudden you can't figure out

what to do with chicken and carrots like Google it knock it off bitch I hate the AI stuff I hate it so much I hate the people they're like well it helps me with my email so it frees me up

to do other stuff and yet you're doing nothing remarkable with the other time scrolling TikTok knock it up scrolling TikTok TikTok. And I hate the AI stuff. I'm so sick of

it. I'm tired of watching smart, competent people act so fucking dumb about everything. You go, well, it's just easier. Well, the defense too is that they're like, it's not going anywhere, so I'm just going to use it. It's like, okay, you want to be on the front lines of like the downfall of humanity?

Like you're not, and also like you're not preparing, like you using chat GPT now does not make you any more equipped. Like everyone knows how to use it. It's not some skill. that you're requiring to like be ready and then it tells you what you want to hear it's so fucker and it's it's the thing like people wonder why i'm really like on my high horse about specifically chat gpt but to me it's like the most harmful in so many different ways thing

that you do not need to use at all yeah there is no good use for it yeah however every time you use it a bottle of water is waste fresh water yeah that we need we're like running out of that imminently. We low-key need that. Gone. Yeah. It's going to take our jobs. Yeah.

Every time you speak to it, it learns from you and learns to emulate you and will take jobs from you. Every customer service job, gone. Yeah. Because you're fucking chatting with chat GPT all the time. Because you didn't want to write an email at work. Here's another thing. I'll give a so true for the episode.

People with email jobs, you're fine. These people act like, here's, okay, here's my so true for the episode. Yeah. If it is 9 o'clock at a. a hangout on a weeknight and you have an email job, you don't get to say you have to get to bed. You're going to be fine tomorrow. You're going to be fine tomorrow.

You type emails for a living and like fuck around in Excel sheets. Yeah. You're fine. People with computer jobs acting like they are like going to war. You have the easiest existence in the history of the world. You can stay out late on a weeknight. It's the whole reason you, we used to want office jobs so that we could have more fun lives. You used to want an office job to be like, oh, I can fucking go out and have fun.

All I have to do tomorrow is an office job. I'm not roofing houses. And now you're saying what's the attitude of office worker or computer. I'm saying so many people I know that have computer jobs are like, oh, we got to turn in, I've got work tomorrow. Your job is fake. And then now, on top of having a fake job, they're using chat GPT to write the fake emails.

Yeah. You do nothing. And they will be laid off in six months. And that part is sad. Is it though they're contributing to it? I know, I want you to keep your fake job so that we can hang out, but people are being boring. And furthermore, I have a second so true.

Say it now. Okay, you know those like delivery robots that are going all over the place? Kick them over. Fuck those fucking things. One cut me off the other day. One cut me off the other day. You should have hit it. I was driving and it pulled out on the sidewalk in front of me and I literally went, hey man.

I'm talking to him like he's real. Well, that's the problem. I know. We've been primed. I'm part of the problem. I've seen a lot of videos on like TikTok of like people feeling sad because the little like robot can't get across the street and he's so scared and he can't get over. No, fucking kick back over. Kill him.

Because he has taken someone's job. Not a great job. delivery driving, but it is taking wages from people. And I do feel like Pixar and whoever else has been humanizing robots for so long, so that when we got to this point where they are taking our jobs,

we're like, oh my God, that like delivery robot is so cute. Let them go. It is sad to watch them have eyeballs and try to cross the street. They're doing something to us. I know. It has worked on me and I'm like, what the fuck am I feeling like this for? This should be a human being. Take his eyes away. Take his eyes away and who cares

if he can get on his eyeball. Take off his name tag. They have a little name His name tag. If you see a delivery robot, take his eyes away and take his name tag. Spray paint his eyes and take his name tag. We cannot see him as real. He's nobody. He's nobody. He's a robot.

He's a robot. He's a robot. You know, people are calling robots clankers now? Yeah. Which is so, whoever came up with clankers, like, good job. It sounds so like a slur. It's nice to say. Yeah, it does sound like a slur. Which I love to say.

It actually feels good, and I think it's like, as white people, it's nice to have a slur that we can safely participate in, isn't it? It's good to be, let's get all the racist white people and be like, look, here's one you can do. Clankers, clinkers. Yeah, run with this one, run with this one. Leave real people of color alone. Run with this one. This is good.

Let's radicalize. You should hate those things. Yeah, it's like, this is good. Yeah. Like, I don't want these clankers taking my jobs. It's like, that's nice. Exactly. Do, say that.

Yeah. Take his eyes. Anyway, fuck Chad GBT. And fuck you if you use it. You're stupid. You're destroying the environment. You're making yourself dumber. All of these kids are not.

going to college and not even learning, they're going straight to chat GPT. Professors are using it now. My dad is a college professor and I've been talking to him about it and he has gotten to the point. He'll tell me like the assignments that he gives to his students. This one recently, he was like, I sent a nine page article to my students and I asked them to read it and I said, if you don't finish it, just email me and tell me why you couldn't finish it. That is like the assignment. He knows that kids can't even read a nine page article and all he wants is for you to say at what point you stopped reading

because you were so fucking bored you couldn't get through it yeah and why and maybe explore that yeah he is at the end of his robe this man is trying to hold the education system together by a thread and he just knows like there's nothing to do he uses those AI detector he doesn't use chat TBT but he uses the detectors yeah and I think a lot of his students try to convince him that that they're not using chat GPT and he's like dog yeah you are I just want to ask all these people what do you want out of your life exactly what would you like your time on earth to be about is everything everything's a time saving yeah the god that you really want to worship at is everything's supposed to be so fucking easy are you do you really want to spend

your whole time on earth never doing a single challenging thing to your mind and just fucking drool over a fucking slop bowl with chat dbt telling you like what you should write to your friend who you want to see of course that's nice of course that's nice slap bowl what's in it That's what I just had one. I'm saying like, of course there's parts of this that are cool, but do you want to spend every minute of your life doing nothing for real, actually? That's crazy. I know.

There's no more thirst for knowledge. Don't you think? I was giving you a pause because I thought you were going into something more, but no, you're right. The thirst for knowledge is gone. Say that. I just said it. We start crying. We start sobbing doing this.

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what are you going to say about it well just Vince Vaughn goes why would I want to do the dishes and she goes I want you to want to do the dishes because you know I need help and it's a really great argument

one of the all time great film arguments in the breakup 2006 is that the same argument as he was supposed to bring 12 lemons and he brought like two it starts with the lemons yeah yeah it's actually

there's a really funny joke in the breakup where she asked him for 12 lemons and he brings three or whatever and she goes, you brought three lemons and he's like playing video games and he goes, yeah, my baby wants lemons and my baby gets lemons. But baby won't 12. Yeah.

God, what a great movie. It's a really good movie. Really great movie. One of the all-time great fights. And some really funny scenes in there. You guys should all go watch it. Should we remake it? Yeah.

You want a star? Yeah, you want a star. We coached up. We're in it together. We're Jen, I'm Vince. Is that believable? We were together and now we're breaking it. yeah yeah i think of my character will have to have a secret but yeah layer yeah we're adding

a layer we'll layer in some secret great the his buddies he plays pool with it's not all they do but yeah this is interesting this is nice stuff to think about oh my god we gotta make a movie together what's your favorite movie of all time that thing you do whoa do you like that movie never seen it who's in well as tom hanks written directed starring he's not really the star he's a co-star You know, it's about a band, like a one-hit wonder band. You got Tom Hayden Scott. Is that his name? Thomas Hayden Church?

No. Tom Everett Scott. Tom Everett Scott. Whoa. You got Steve Zon. You got Ethan Embry. Don't know. And you got the fourth guy.

I know Ethan Embry. He was in Sweet Home Alabama. That's right. Nice. And who's the fourth guy? Some guy. Got it. He did a great job.

Got it. Yeah, he killed it. I don't really know anything else. He's watching this like, God damn it. He's a huge fan of So. true he's like fuck he throws his popcorn at the TV it's a great movie though you have to watch

it has everything it has romance it has great has that one really good song Jonathan Shach shake is that who you're thinking of it how do you even say your name dog Jonathan Demi also Jonathan spelled with an H Paul Feig plays a is that the dad from girls

hang on damn this is a cast yeah oh my god Giovanni Rabisi oh wow what a cast This is a hell. Clint Howard's in this thing? It's really good. Takes place in the 60s.

You got Charlize Theron and there. You got to watch a director's cut. Damn, I got to get into it. So that's your favorite movie, huh? Yeah. Wow. It's just so funny and wholesome and charming. What do you think of Tom Hanks?

Is he as wholesome as we believe? Cut the cameras. What do you make of this Tom, fellas? Is he the big guy behind the scenes? You know stuff. You remember when him. and Rita got COVID, that shook the world. It did. They were the first people to ever get COVID.

Shocked the world. In Australia, if I'm not mistaken. We said, not America's first lady. Yeah, that's when, like, people started taking it seriously. Yeah. But they were fine. They were totally fine, and they're going to be fine. What do you think of Tom Hanks? Good guy. Good guy, I think. Love him. Love him. Tom Hanks has a gun to my head off.

No, I imagine, if I ever found out that Tom Hanks wasn't what we believe him to be, I would just be so heartbroken. It just seems more likely that he's not. No, no, no, that he's not what we think he is. Don't you think? Oh, geez, you think? Everyone, it. That sucks. Well, I also hate, though, that we've made him be something.

Yeah. We make him be Tom Hanks. Yeah, I think maybe he does not want to have this. He's like, no, I'm kind of an asshole. I'm like a regular guy. Yeah. Do you have a Tom Hanks impression? Oh, you know.

Oh, I heard it. What, eh? Or something like that, maybe. Will you do your Margo Martindale impression for us? That's my favorite thing about you. Well, you love two impressions of mine. Katie and I, a big part of Katie and I's friendship is doing, sending each other voice memos and character. You send them to me.

And then I try to do them and I get nervous and I don't send them. Well, she wants me to send her voice notes. I'm happy to send her voice notes. Honey, you made a big mistake. That's Margaret Martindale. You wig me love. If I had on a big wig, you could see it. She's a floozy.

She always, like, carries that. I have a video of you in London where you're, like, you're in my room and you're looking outside at the window. And you're like, I want to go outside, but I don't want to be hot. It's too damn hot out there. I don't want to be hot in it. My other favorite bit is I'll send Katie, like, a seven-minute voice memo. Just being like, just being like, apropos of nothing, we won't be talking. Right.

And I'll be like, I think it was 1994 when I mean. to Los Angeles and um I was having lunch at I guess it was the Beverly Wilshire Hotel and of course my compatriot Katie Delaney was there and she was

writing a script for the television program Rick and Morty and I'll just I'll do this for like seven minutes the thing you always add did you just say you always say I was living in Los Angeles at the time just like, you know,

and it's true you are living all over the place. New Los Angeles at the time and, um, you know, all the stars were out as it were. And, um, and I'll just do that for so long.

So fucking funny. And I'll just get back a voice note, a three second voice note from Katie going, ha ha! At a better action, yeah. No, it's, I have them all saved, but also, they got to fix the saving the voice memo.

How's the time? They don't even give me the option. Yeah. They don't give me keep all the time. Keep doesn't pop up right away, so you got to just, stare at it until keep pops up but then after you've kept where does it go? You just have to scroll

scroll, scroll forever until you find it. She go into a folder and then you can listen to all of them. Yeah. They don't do that. So if I want to find your voice memos from four years ago, it's crazy. It's not going to happen. Do you have any voicemails or voice memos saved on your phone

that you think about a lot? I have a sad one. My dad left me a voicemail like 14 hours before he died. died. We think. We don't for sure know when he died. What do you say? He was just like, I mean, it's kind of funny, but he was like,

he was like, hey, buddy, just want to be the one to tell you. I was in the hospital. I don't think anything's wrong. Damn. But he was like, yeah, I guess I got emphysema. I thought I quit smoking soon enough, but I guess not. Anyway, I'll be fine. I love you. And it's just like a, but it's sad, of course, because, you know, he goes on to die pretty quick. Do you listen to it?

I've listened to it probably like a handful of times since he died. I listened to it a couple times when I was writing the script about him. And I've listened to it a couple times since then, just like, I got a new phone. And I listened to it one time before I switched phones just to make sure that if anything were to happen for any reason, that I would have heard it, you know? And then it went over, so it was fine. But yeah, I listen to it sometimes. Yeah. It's really sweet.

I'm really glad I have it. Yeah. I'm really glad I had the thought to save it. Yeah. I have a bunch of my nana's voicemails from before she died. I don't really listen to them ever, but they're there. Yeah. Well, it's a weird, like, when in the middle of a day are you going to sit down and be like, all right?

Now. To hear my dead dad's voice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's a weird thing to conjure up. But I have some funny ones, too, I'm sure. But that's the one I think of. But you don't know because there's nowhere to go. No, localized place on your phone, a folder to go and listen to them. Tim Cook? Tim Cook?

That's okay. Listen to me, sir. Get it done. Tim. Tim Apple Cook. Mr. Tim, Mr. Apple? Can I ask you how you feel being perceived in this way by so many people all the time? I wonder if anyone wants to hear it But yes you can I've talked about it

Plenty on this show I think I feel insane I feel insane It feels insane to be perceived You're making me feel very comfortable I feel good But then when I start to think about Like people will watch this conversation

Between the two of us And form opinions about me Yeah I think they'll form nice opinions I don't think I'm interested I think yeah it's tough It's tough Being a publicly commented on entity

Of any size or regard And you've experienced that but like a little bit not nearly as much as you it's weird it's weird it's weird what is the percentage do you have like a lot of negative stuff coming at you Virginia would be the better person asked because she runs you delete them

she deletes them good okay yeah when was it a lot um I think earlier when the podcast was more the fuck is this guy yeah I don't I try not to read too much of it I try not to have I've described it as a portal to the soul Zeeway and I talked about this

recently where I'm like if you let the good in you have to let the bad in as well and I'm just as soon leave it out altogether and I'll just take my my notes about me from the people who actually know me and love me I think that'll be a perfectly fine way to do it and it's cool that strangers like my work I hope that people laugh yeah I've been doing a lot of press for the HBO special this morning I did like four phone interviews in a row and I was reflecting a little bit on like you know they're like what do you want people to get from the special I'm like I just want people to laugh yeah I would love to make people laugh and after that whether you think I'm a good person or you have a bad person or you think I'm

fucking annoying or you think I'm the coolest or you want to be my friend or you want me to die or whatever none of that is my business I hope you laugh and if you don't please keep it to yourself and I'm out of it you know what I mean I'm just stay out of it's extremely evolved of you thanks dude I've had I'm I think

very lucky that it's gone slowly you know I have not really had overnight success well earned I don't mean overnight sounds like you haven't earned it and it's just like happened in front of you yeah I think it's happened quickly I it should. Things are escalating very quickly right now, but I think I've had a long, like,

I had a moderate-sized Twitter following many years ago, and that was the beginning of it, you know? And then I was, I was in this thing or this thing, and I had this job and this exposure to the internet. And I think I've gotten to, like, dip my toes a little bit along the way. Yeah. What I feel like has happened is that I have walked slowly into a body of water up to my knees, and then I, in the last two years, fell off a ledge. And now I'm fully submerged in it but I got to walk slowly at least and their sharks and their and their and they're executives. And they all want to take a bite. Yeah. I did learn from a friend yesterday that she she knows an entertainment exec who's using chat GPT to give notes on scripts. Shut the fuck up. Yeah and that

made me I was like please give me their name. I want yeah. Did you get the name? No but I was like I was like please tell me so I can never work with that person. That makes me sick and she wouldn't tell me because she's a good friend to her friend. But I was like, that is, that is, if you are an entertainment exec and you are using chat GPT for anything, you must quit and go do something else. I'm begging you to get out of this. This industry is already so fraught.

I'm begging you to go do something else. You clearly don't care about this. Well, what part of the job do you think they, like, they just like going at dinner? Like, they, like. What do you like about this if you're not doing that? Yeah. Reading scripts is probably like the most fun they could possibly have doing their job.

No, I imagine that what a lot of, people like about this work is adjacency to power and relevance. Right. Yeah. Going to dinner. Going to dinner. With freaking Charlie Starin. Well, we love her. I would love to go to dinner with her. Freaking Charlie's Theron or something like that. That sounds lovely.

Matt Rife. Matt Rife. Oh, I had a dinner with Matt Rife. I was dinner with Matt Rife and I believe who was it that joined? There's Charlie's Theron. Of course, we were at San Vicentee Bungalows in Los Angeles. Katie pop by

She was doing slide of hand magic for the table Damn Hell yeah Someone put me into Truman Capote Funny biopic We did Capote serious Let's do the silly one

I'll start writing it today You know Truman Capote was going to drag bars In Kansas City Cool Back in the day Yeah he was when he was writing in cold blood He would go into Kansas And go to the drag shows

Just Hank Yeah and he'd be Hank Doing your dance Or whatever You know So to demanding. Yeah.

Do you answer me? Katie, time for a segment. You know what it is. You've seen the show. I have. Okay. Every week.

No, I do know what it is. Are you okay? He's doing physical bits. Katie, I'm going to read you 15 statements. You're going to tell me as quickly as you can if you think that what I just said is true or false. Yeah. If you get 10 or more correct, we're going to give you 50 U.S. dollars. Really?

Yes. Really? Okay. That's cab fare. Okay. Ready? Yeah. Quick as you can.

World of Warcraft debuted in 1999. True. False, 2004. Drafts are excellent swimmers. False. They cannot swim. Florida has a larger population than Greece. True.

True. Angelina Jolie is six foot tall. False. She's 5'7. The current president of St. Michael's College is William Eck. That's where I went to college. False. False.

Richard Plum. A group of jellyfish is called a school. False. False. It's a smack. Fall River, Massachusetts, its town motto is, we'll try. True. True.

There are more Taco Bells in America than Subways. More Taco Bells than Subways? True. False. Fuck. No word in the English language rhymes with month. False. True.

In South Korea, a baby is considered one year old at birth. True. True. Skunks are marsupules. True. False. Fuck. There are no Apple stores in Arkansas.

True. False. There's one in Little Rock, darling. Jennifer Coolidge was born in Boston. True. True. Glee never won an Emmy. False.

False. False at one six. A pigeon's feathers are heavier than its bones. True. True. How'd she do? Ten! Oh!

Where's my $50? Well, I'll talk about it. Vemmo, cash. We'll talk about it. We'll talk about it off camera. shoot okay so what else was I going to ask you Katie yeah you know what I asked a friend the other day and it was really lovely and we don't have to talk about this

if you don't want to it depends on what the answer it brings up but I was at dinner with a friend I was at dinner with a friend and I asked like who's someone that you haven't that you don't talk too much anymore that you just really love from afar like somebody that you're like oh we haven't talked in a while but I really love that person and I'm wishing them well you genuinely yes we don't

we don't talk a ton we're bad at it But you're just, like, doing so great out there. And I just, it feels like we talk a lot because I'm just so engaged with your socials. Your socials? I'm just all over the socials. I'm commenting. I'm just watching your presence. So, yeah, you.

That's sweet. Like, most of my friends, I have a lot of, like, day-to-day, like, see them all the time, multiple times a week, friends. Those are, like, my friend. Yeah. I have many friends that I hope are doing well. None are coming to mine right now. Yeah. I'm not thinking about them.

No. Yeah, I don't know. I just thought it was kind of interesting. It is sweet that you say me, though. I do feel that way about you. I'm, I'm regularly okay at keeping in touch, okay to bad, and this year have been bad. I'm not great at it either, though. And I think you're the type of friend that when I see you, we're just like back to, it's not like, oh, fuck. Like, we're not going to remember what each other is like if we don't talk every couple weeks or something like that. Like, we'll just get together when we get together.

You're in my dreams. Oh. You're in my dreams and my prayers. Oh, my God. What are you praying for me? For you? Yeah, what do you want for me? The same thing I want for all people's.

Peace. Peace. Happiness, prosperity, love, warmth, connection. Wow. Connection above all. Connection is God. I would love to see you connect. With?

Others. Me, the universe yourself. I think I'm doing it. Yeah. Because you've been praying. I think you're connecting. I've been praying. I pray for your uprising.

I do not pray for your downfall. Thank you so much. I pray for your rise. Someone's praying for it. I pray on your rise. Thank you so much. I pray on your escalation. I don't pray, but if I did, you don't need my prayers.

You're doing so good. You pray, Katie, whether you know it or not. I pray with my canvas and a paintbrush. That's what I'm saying. You're praying. You know what? It was a prayer that you walked in here today. Hey.

It's an answer to a prayer. God is good all the time. All the time. Let the church say amen. Amen. Well, Katie. It was, I became Christian in 2025 after doing a podcast recording with Katie Delaney.

She was doing a sleight of hand magic. Katie, I love you so much. I love you. Is there anything you want to tell the people about? Anything you want to plug? Oh, my God. Don't follow me on Twitter. That's over.

You're off there, yeah. Hit me on Instagram, grab my substack, which I'm starting. I'm trying to move over... We're trying to move from Twitter over to Substack. I really want to work with more like... This is so stupid. No, it's not.

Work with more long-form writing. I haven't written anything longer than a tweet. Well, I write for my job, but I want to explore the thoughts in a more long-form way. Yeah. I'll be sharing my... I'll share my paintings

and my ceramics and my getting into quilting. It's going to be like a hobbyist, fun thoughts, getting through the horrible times sort of substack, I think, is what I'm looking to do. I love it. I love your fun thoughts. I have one of your gorgeous paintings hanging in my apartment. Which one? Oh, you have the little cottages with the station wagon in front. You have that one, right?

Yes. Yeah, and I love that one. Well, we just love you. Thanks for being here. I love you so much. Thank you. That was a headgum podcast. I'm Tignotaro.

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