So True with Caleb Hearon - Maggie Winters Sees the Comments

Episode Date: November 20, 2025

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this is a headgum podcast and i called them and i said i'm not allowed to donate money to charity yeah and they said well we we consider this amount unusual and i said i am unusual i am unusually kind marguerite i'm bonjour Bonjour. Hi, Ben. Oh, my head. You margaried me. Marguerite.

Well, you know, I just think it's fancy. I like it. It is fancy. If I was, like, in a different place in life, I'd probably go by it. By Marguerite? Yeah, I didn't when I lived in France. Because my team, my team, my team, the people, the family I lived with. Calling your host family, your team.

In the word team so much that it was in my head. But it was, like, it was harder for them to say Maggie. Because as French people, they'd be like, McGee. McGee. But Marguerite. Magit. was, like, easier. That's so beautiful.

They called me that, yeah. Can I call you that? Yeah, of course. For now on, just in, all the time. I'll just go, guys, this next comic, I've known her for years. She's an absolute killer. Please welcome to the stage. Magidt, Winters.

I come on, everyone's like, isn't that Magis? Maggie? Yeah, they're like, I think that's Magdal. Not Magdaw, please. I saw her in a gutter off Mallort last night. I don't think that's Marguerite. Oh, my God, Magda. My grandma's name was Marguerite, but they called her Madge.

Madge, that's really cool. Is it? Wait, what was one I heard the other day that I really liked? Oh, I meant to write this down. Oh, God. It was, uh... For Marguerite? No, oh, it was, it was, um, the, maybe the name was like, I'm getting it wrong,

but it was a woman they called Van. Okay. Like her name, they're like, they're like, oh, that's Van. But her name was like Evangeline or something. Oh, that's cool. And I was like, Van's a fun nickname for that. Yes, yeah. You know?

Was she gay? Well, you know, all older women kind of are. Yeah, I'm learning that. Don't you feel that? I'm kind of learning that everyone is obviously a little gay. All women in their 70s and 80s, like you talk to them or you hear them talked about and it's like, oh, that's Madge. Her and her husband had nothing in common. Her greatest joy is when he went on a work trip and she got to be alone for a week.

Her deepest, most important relationships with a woman in her life. They were the only ones that knew how to hold her when she was upset. It's like, that's a gay woman. Honey, they just weren't allowed, you know. Yeah. They really didn't know they could go there. God, that was made it so hot, though, when it happened. When they're 70 years old.

Yes. I talked to my mom about, no. My mom's too tired. She's always laying down. Your mom's a night. And I went, oh, my God. She is one of the funniest people in the world without meaning to be. My skin is so dry that it's like falling apart.

Welcome to Chicago. I know. Exema. I'm home. Is that eczema? No. It's just, well, I got, what's the difference between eczema and dry skin? A lot.

I was going to say, honey, a lot. I don't want to upset the, I'm part of it, and I'll, it's okay, guys. Are you? Yeah, oh, yeah. Oh, wow. I've had it since I was born. I have numular axoma too, which is, um, it looks like a ringworm, which is awesome.

Because people will be like, oh, you have ringworm. I go, no, no, no, no. I have numular axiom on there. They're like, well, check it out. People are saying, oh, you have ringworm to you. They're pointing, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am. You're disgusting. You have ringworm.

Yeah, you have ringworm. You need to get out of this Weber Grill. I am a gold member at the Weber Grill, honey. No, I've never been. You haven't? Would you go? What's funny is I visited Chicago in high school and it was like the first major like U.S. city I'd never visited.

Major city at all. I'd never, I'd been to like Kin City. Yeah. But I haven't been to like a big, big city. And we went to the Weber Girl in downtown Chicago that has the grill hanging off of it. Of course. I iconic.

And I, we had like, I got like a steak and like sides. And I remember being like, this is the fanciest restaurant in the world. Like I left being like Weber Grill is like the height of dining. And I genuinely was like, we left and I was like, I was like, I can't believe we did that. I can't believe we were at the Weber Grill. Do they cook the steaks on a Weber Grill there? I don't know.

I would love to know. I wish they did. Weber Grill, reach out. Please DM me and let me know. It's funny the podcast has gotten to a place now where when we mention stuff, they do reach out. It used to be a joke to be like, oh, you know, Hershey's reach out. And then they're in my DMs being like, can we send a hat? And it's like, hold on.

Hershey's. First of all, yes. And second of all, honestly, here's one thing I want to. to say. Say it. Brands need to stop sending shit. Yeah. Unless it is extremely cool.

Yes. But when they're just sending you like a water bottle and a hat, it's like, hey, so that's more shit that I'm either throwing away or is sitting in my closet that I don't have room for. Yes. Stop sending shit. Stop. Unless it's something I need.

Unless it's something I need. Yeah. Call me on the phone. Say, what do you need? What do you need? How could Hershey serve you? And if they're not sending the thing that they make, like if they're sending you a hat and not chocolate, it's like, what the hell?

Send chocolate. Please send chocolate. And honestly, even if you're not a chocolate brand. Then chocolate. Bose, send chocolate. Yeah, oh my God, Bose send chocolate. BP oil, send chocolate. Everybody send chocolate.

Bucket of oil. You're like, what the hell is this? God, I'm trying to eat better. Oh, my God. How's it going? Yeah, my girl Daisy hooked you up. Yeah, I'm trying to eat better. Here's the thing.

Yeah, say it. This is the realization I had, and I wonder if you feel similarly. Okay. Because you've been on the road for so long now with Connor and, like, doing all these shows. And I basically what happened was there was a period of years there where my career was starting out,

and I would be gone sometimes. And it was like, oh, my away life is like this fake free time where I can do whatever I want. And I would eat fried food at 2 in the morning and I would smoke weed and like fuck off and not exercise and not drink water. And I'd be like, that's fine because it's my away life. It's fake.

And now I have worked up and realized my home life is fake and my away life is life. And so I'm like, actually, if every time you're staying somewhere else, you don't move your body and just. drink water and eat one singular vegetable. Yes. That actually is just your life.

Yes. And then at home, I'm like, I'm like eating salads and stuff and being like, oh, it's so good to be home. And it's like, yeah, you have to do this elsewhere. You have to do this all the time. You have to add vegetables into the rotation. Consistency is what they say, or is key. But it's tough because away life used to be just like a fake little game that didn't

exist. No, I, a thousand percent agree. Do you know what I mean? Yes. I had to have this conversation with myself because for the long time, the airport meant like an airport drink and an airport snack. about $40 and then I had to be like this is actually for work yeah so I'm going to bring my self a granola bar and I'm not going to look at anti-ans or whatever the hell yeah yeah well

it's hard because at a certain point like when you travel for work as much as we do going to the airport kind of becomes like catching an Uber yes yeah like you're like oh if I don't get on that flight I'll just get on the next one like right it really becomes such a rote thing that you do have to like check your habits and be like yes oh I can't actually eat garbage at 8 a.m. No because it's going to ruin my whole day I was buying flips You know flips, chocolate-covered pretzels? Oh, yeah. I was going, we don't need to be buying flips every time we're the airport.

Yeah. Like, yeah, literally, we were like, I was like, it triggered my brain. It was like, where at the airport flip? Where are the flips? Every fat person has a thing that they've had to put themselves on timeout for. Last year, last year I had to put myself on a KFC timeout. Yeah. Which was, like, what were you getting?

I had to go on a KFC break. This is so horrendous, Maggie. I'm just going to say something. Say it. I was getting. the Nashville hot nuggets from KFC. Yes. Dipping it in their ranch.

Of course. They're like pre-packaged like ranch and getting a kind of heartburn that doctors don't even yet understand. There are certainly lines in my like heart lungs and stomach lining right now from that. And I was doing it enough. I probably did it like in my defense. I did it like four times in two weeks. Yeah. Which isn't psycho, but it is certainly crazy like in the levels of what you should.

Yeah. And I literally, I had to, I'm not kidding when I say, I looked myself in a physical mirror and said, no more KFC. No more. KFC. Stop it. Delete the, yeah. KFC's about to reach out and be like, we want to look you up. Can we sit chocolate? I, oh my God. One of the first times I got stone out of my mind was in Amsterdam. My 21st birthday. Because I was like there and I was like, I can drink. And everyone was like, you can drink here when you're 10. So like, get over it. So they're like, yeah. So I had a space cake and we, I was so high and I saw KFC. Yeah. I remember eating it and being like. like there's no greater food in the world. KFC is special. But then the next day I was like, and it was in Amsterdam though. I was like, what is my problem?

Nothing. I truly knew that nothing would ever stop me from eating garbage when there was an, I was like big on KFC in college when I was really depressed. And I saw like a, there was like one of those articles that was like, like dead mouse found in KFC bucket of chicken and they had accidentally like breaded and fried the mouse and ended up in a bucket. And I saw that and I was like, that's someone else's problem. There's never been one in my bucket.

I wish that the hair in my food, I'm like, I actually don't care. I'm still eating this. I wish I could have, I have friends who are like, oh my God, this something looks off. And I'm like, I wish I had that inside of me. I have friends. I wish that things could look off to me. Put that in me. No, I have friends that are like, oh, can we not eat there?

That place has like a B health rating. I'm like, I don't fucking care. I don't give a shit. The government's not going to tell me where to eat. We don't have those kind of ratings in Chicago. Yeah. Which the Bear season one, they kind of did the ratings thing. Oh, did they?

So calling on them out on that. Call out the bear. Yeah, like one of the first scenes he's like putting a C and we go, we don't do that. That's not us. That's not us actually. Make us sick. Make us sick. Make us sick.

Make us sick. Mr. Beef, I want it. If I don't walk in it, I don't see dirt on the ground. I'm like, I don't want it. Why am I here? Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

I really, I did put myself on a KFC time out. Oh my God. How are you doing mentally and emotionally? Oh, God. Actually, oh my God. It's, what if I start sobbing? That's okay. Maggie, that's okay.

For real, that's okay. I think the episode got really weird. No, this podcast has many things. I think being on the road a lot is like so hard and like the food, the trying to move my body, but then I'm so tired from like the travel part of it, they like get to my hotel and I'm like, I would just love to lay here for hours, but then actually that doesn't feel good. Yeah. And then I'd like go do a comedy show.

Yeah. But then I'm like, I have to be the clown tonight. I know. I have to put on my nose. And then you like open your phone and the internet's like, 17,000 children died today. And you're like, great. No, I wanted to see that. Yeah.

I was hoping for that. That's good. Yeah. And also someone I hate is on vacation. Yeah. And someone else booked and I didn't. Yeah. Every time I.

Every time you open your phone, it's like, hey, two big things. You didn't book and someone else did. 17,000 children are dead. And it's like, okay. And then all of a sudden you're like, let's see what's up at KFC. Yes. And then you're like, you know what? I said no to that.

I'm going to go back to that. Yeah. I am. And the thing about when I don't book is like, I'm always like, I think I'm going to get this part. And then I like open my phone. And it's like, Marrill Street booked it. I'm like, oh, right. Oh, those are the most frustrating ones.

It was me or her, I think, I think. Those are the most frustrating ones where, like, you later learn, like, oh, they were waiting to hear back from the person they wanted that got offer only. And in the meantime, they collected tapes. And I stupidly killed myself trying to do good. I was literally, like, telling people like, I think I had something big is coming. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely not.

How are you doing mentally, emotionally? If I could sum it up for you in an anecdote. Yeah. Two days ago, I downloaded an afferavit. Affirmations app to create affirmations for me. Yes. I'm working on, I've kind of moved away from the idea that I can control any circumstances in my life.

Yeah. And I've moved towards the idea of, I'm over that. I'm not going to worry about circumstances anymore. It's no longer my, I'm not focused on that. Now I'm trying to make my brain so strong that I can handle anything that ever happens to me. Yeah. And so I've moved into affirmations, which is 100% a cry for help.

Yeah. Like, I'm like to be. That's what everyone says is the thing. to do like be delusional i'm trying to be i'm genuinely trying to tap more into delusion i moved away from it briefly i was delusional for a long time and then i checked in on reality too hard and now i'm trying to move back to delusion yeah so i'm reading affirmations and i'll follow you there just pick me up and we'll get there i'll tell you when it gave me yesterday i have to delete it because i think they're using ai um so i have to delete the app and find a new way to get my affirmations um

but the one they made me yesterday it says i am in charge of how i feel and today I am choosing happiness. That's the kind of stuff I'm working on. That's the kind of stuff. I'm in charge of how I feel. And today I'm choosing happiness. That is crazy because that's like shit my dad used to say to me when I was younger. 100%.

Why don't you just call my dad once a day? I will, first of all. I'll be like, get off the bicycle and let's chat. Let's go, Willie. It's what's crazy is I am at a place in my life where like reading that moved me almost to tears. You're so right. I was like, yeah, why didn't I? choose happiness stupid stupid i was like you should have chosen happiness you fool you idiot like

that was there all along no i'm good i'm i'm making this movie right now we're we're in the beautiful city of chicago uh because i'm filming trash mountain and it's so exciting yes um but yeah it's been a year of like make like working really hard and making stuff and and it's been so cool and i feel really creatively tapped into something that i've never been tapped into yeah not never but I've been creatively tapped, I've been tapped into creativity before, but I feel right now tapped into like an obsession with process that feels so good to be like,

I am actually not focused on outcome right now. And I've talked about this a lot, but I am actually genuinely focused on process at the moment. And I love it. Yeah. And also I am really tired. Yes, yeah. So the affirmations are like needed.

Yes. And I'm drinking a bunch of water. Oh, come on. For two reasons. Right here. My body needs it. Yes. I've heard.

And also number two, I've been training a lot to be able to cry on camera Oh my God, you need the water For this movie And one of the things that came up in my research And like process building was like You need to drink a fuck ton of water Because you're about, get it out

It needs to expel. That makes sense to me. It does to me too, but why don't I didn't think of that So now I'm like a guy who carries a water bottle around Yes Oh, I have one of those Like the juggy things It's a hydro jug it's like this, it's huge

Yeah And I'm like walking around like Yeah, hello You guys see what I'm doing? In my hotel I'm on tour I'll be like, where's the ice and the water? Yeah. And what's crazy to me is if you stay at like a nicer, like a four-star hotel, they're like,

every floor has ice and water. Do you stay at a three? They're like, you should go down the block and kill yourself. We don't have water here. Are you out of your mind? Yeah, my favorite is when you stay like a, well, here's my big hotel thing that most people listening to this are going to find unlikable and unrelatable. Okay, okay.

And that's just where things are out right now. I'm sorry, but that's where things are out right now. But the best thing to do it, the best place you can stay is a way. a four-star hotel. Two and one are obviously just like not even in the conversation for me at this point. I've had that chapter of my life and it's, I hope it's gone forever. Threes are, threes are like that. It's just like no amenities.

The room is usually pretty nice, but like they don't care that you're there. No. And then you think like, oh, what about a five-star? Actually no. Because those are usually like 120 years old. Yeah. They haven't renovated the toilet. They haven't, like the shower's not gorgeous.

Yeah. And they do, they will do amenities really nice. Like if you call the front desk at a five-star hotel and you're like, I need a chocolate cake now they'll find you one yeah but it's too much money for not being as nice as a four star a four star yeah so i just want to tell you guys for anyone who's able to partake in this conversation that's my take yeah stay at the four star if you can the three star just know that when you check in they're gonna be pissed that you're mad they're yeah oh my god every time they're mad your room is not ready no by the way yeah by the way they sometimes don't have your reservation as well oh as

an opener i sorry and shout it to my opener is out there you get because your my name is sometimes under Connor's name. I was like, oh, it's for Connerwood. And they're like, well, you're not Connor Wood. So you can go to hell. And I'm like, I'm like, get him on the phone. I'm like, what is it? Like, what do you think I'm trying to, like, stock him? Probably. There's people out there. I've had this issue so many times where I've bought a hotel room for someone that I, that works

with me. And that the hotel is like, he needs to come in here in person and look us in the eyes. I'm like, what 1800s business contract is this? They have my card, my social, my name. The, they, what stranger off the street would guess that I'm staying here and then have the confirmation number.

Somebody is going to watch us and be like, I'm figuring it out. They shut down my, the Chase, my Chase credit card. Yeah. Shut down all of my accounts the other day because I spent too much. Not over the limit. They just didn't like that I, and you know what? I'll tell you what I did. I don't care.

I don't care. I'll tell you what I did. I donated a lot of money to a charity. Let's go. So, and I called them and I said, I'm not allowed to donate money to charity. Yeah. And they said, well, we consider this amount unusual. And I said, I am unusual.

I am unusually kind and turn my shit back on. The person on the phone's like, what the hell? I am unusual. Unusually generous. Turn my shit on now. I'm going to be donated again. And I'll do it again. Don't clock it.

And I did the next day. I donated again. Oh my God. Do a different thing. But I was like, you guys can't just turn my shit off. No, that, yeah, the hotel thing is very real. And also I want to say like me getting distracted by, I don't know, a piece of chip on the floor. Someone the other day

One of my shows is like So you have ADHD right I was like what? Like because I just get just like During a show If someone stands up and it's like I'm gonna say it I'm gonna talk about it

Yeah And they're like you've had ADHD I was like I don't think so I've never been diagnosed And she goes well they're seven kinds So Oh my God Who is this?

Were you speaking with a medical doctor? Yeah they had a white coat on In the middle of the show And I was gonna Halloween show She puts a Sethko up on her show She goes breathe in for me Yeah

What's going on? You have ADHD I had to have a I had to have a physical the other day for the movie to clear me for insurance or whatever and the guy came to set and he was really nice he was really sweet but he was like

every time I would do something he would like praise me in a way that felt like either you think I'm stupid or you're like shocked that a fat person can stand up oh my god but he was like stand on one leg for me and I have really good balance actually and I stood on one leg for like kind of a long time and he was like okay show off

and I was like do you not think I can stand or like oh my no people think that we like fat people can't do anything I know it's crazy or like yeah I mean this is obviously like classic but like I remember getting a burger

without I got a let it strapped burger and this girl my old job like looking she was like good for you I was like I'm about to order a fucking bagget to this

this room yeah don't comment do not yeah I had a moment like this recently where I was biking in New York and I stopped at a

It was like, there was a construction on a four-way. Yeah. And so they had like, you know, like staff, not staff, but like whatever, like, I'm thinking of Modot, which is Missouri Department of Transportation, but like whatever the transportation people are out there, like guiding traffic basically. Yes, yes, yes, yes. And there was an older, like, Caribbean woman in a thing, like stopping people. And I was stopped right next to her on my bike.

So we're, you know, like this. And I was like, hey, how's your day going? And she was like, pretty good, not bad. I won't do the accent. And I know you guys want me to, but I'm not going to. And by the way, it's not because I wouldn't kill at it. but she I was like hey how's your day going and she's like she's like pretty good it's been like nice weather and stuff I was like oh cool is everyone being nice and she's like yeah yeah and I was like God it's a beautiful day and she was like it is and you're getting some exercise and I'm not getting you I went oh yeah sure am I was like I was like and then the thing turned for me to go and I was like we'll have a good day and she was like you too oh my god but she was like an older Caribbean like yeah I get to her it was like a nice thing to say and i was like i am getting some exercise it's not untrue she's about to go home and be

like you guys i saw a miracle today she's like i saw a man change his life today i think i encouraged on like a normal bike ride i take all the time yeah oh my god no i yeah just leave me alone actually leave me alone is like a big sentiment that i have yeah yes that i go just leave me alone if you're yeah leave me alone on the internet big time but that's not going to happen what's happening to you on there i mean not just me i just feel like everyone like You can't, you can't, like, post anything without, like, some. You can, you can't post, like, I could post just, what, hello? I just absolutely, help me.

No. You could post, like, um, hey, guys, I'm, I'm unusual. I'm donating to charity today. Yeah. And people would be like, you have insane hands or something. You're like, well, what the hell is that about? Yeah, they're coming for your hands on there. They actually come from my nostrils all the time.

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Yeah, do you don't think so? Maybe. I don't know. I think that... I'm just worried about people. Everyone's mean. am too people are mean and people are not um we're just not connected no yeah we need to it's a lot of anti-social behavior that i'm like and also even people i like like people that sometimes um i don't want to talk too much about like the internet but some people that that comment

things to me were like like when i make a joke about like lesbians or something yeah yeah and like like 10 lesbians will comment and be like thousands of people love the joke yes and then 10 people will be like i don't like that he feels comfortable speaking on people this way and it's like the The disconnect that you're having is that I have actual friends in real life. But you live your whole identity plays out on the internet. And the disconnect that we're having and the reason you feel so genuinely and righteously and confidently upset is because your whole dynamic takes place with unreal people through screens. And I am living in the real world with real actual people. And this is how real people talk to each other.

Real friends feel comfortable speaking on each other's identities and stuff like that. A thousand percent. Because we're actual friends. And you're living a screen-mediated life that the only thing that gives you power and connection is, like, policing and likes and upvotes and comments. Yes. And that's the disconnect we're not having, the disconnect we're having is not actually a moral one. No. It's actually like a, I don't even know how to say it, but it's actually like a, I live in the real world and you don't kind of thing.

And that's not to say that you're stupid or anything. I think they're usually quite smart. I'm just like, we're living two different lives. and the reason I don't care about what you have to say is because I don't want to live like you. No. Do you know what I'm saying? Absolutely.

The policing thing is great. Everyone's like, ACAB, but then they're like, you said, Sherbert was gay seven years ago. Right. And it is a little gay.

And it is a little gay. Why would it be those colors? Why would it be those colors? It could taste that way without being those colors. That's pretty obvious to me. We need to bring back the show, the real world, I think,

and get people off from the internet on it. Did you ever watch it? I feel like I saw some of it. Oh, that's disgusting. The real world? Yeah. They would, like, go to different cities and all live in a house together. I remember the cities.

Seven people picked to live in a house. There were strangers that are telling it like it is. Telling it like it is. I feel like I've seen like viral. I've seen like clips. Yeah, yeah, clips. But I never really like sat down and watched it. I don't think.

I was never a big TV guy. Bring it back. What? Bring it back. You don't like TV? I watched. There was like a couple things I watched, but I've never been a big TV. What do you do?

I listen to music a lot. Yeah, you actually are a music freak. I listen to music a lot. And I, I really don't like, so much of I think, watching TV, like, really, like, being good at keeping up with something is watching TV alone. Yeah. And I don't like hanging out alone that much. Oh, yeah, that's me.

So I like to, I like, or if I am hanging out alone, I like to go to a coffee shop and, like, write or, like, work on something. No, not like that, but you know what I mean? Like, I feel I get really bored. It's kind of different. I listen to music. I don't to charity. It's kind of different for me. I'm just, like, listening to music and, like, seeing people. Honey, I'm watching TLC, the learning channel. I'm watching

a thousand upon sisters. Are you? Absolutely. They're the funniest. I just think it's like a such a what'd you say i said fuck yeah it's one of my favorite shows i think people you know they're like a little like 600 pound life is like what's the word exploit exploitative thank you so much i did go to a state school so i don't really know that kind of stuff um it's just like they're this the funniest people in the world and they're so like they're so joyful and you know and i just also think it's like a good middle of the country like let's get to know it's not just east coast west go so come on yeah

they're funny um did they live in missouri no they live in kentucky kentucky same difference yeah and they're there's they actually lost they both lost a ton of weight they're crazy as hell Tammy came out as pansexual and her family her whole family was like what the hell a pam like it was amazing that is really yeah absolutely that is really fun yeah and like yeah they're they're awesome they make some of the most disgusting food you've ever seen like just genuinely trying though yeah One time they were, like, making, she was making Alfredo sauce, but she was like, I'm going to put chocolate in it to do like a white chocolate to make it like a moly. And people were like, I don't think so.

I said, good for her for trying something. Like, fuck. And then her whole family goes, this is the worst thing we've ever had. God forbid a woman in STEM experiment. She had an idea. She went with it. Like, what the hell? What's so wrong with that?

Well, folks, I have some pretty exciting news. After I went on her show, me and Kylie Kelsey got to, it's, oh, it's Kylie. Okay. Me and Kylie Kelsey got to talking. and we came up with something I think y'all are going to like, and that's watching a dang football game together. Kylie and I are not just watching the Chiefs v. Colts game together on Sunday, November 23rd. We'll also be live chatting about it in a WhatsApp group chat.

I'm really excited about this one, actually. I love her so much. And you can join to see what we're saying with the chat from WhatsApp and offball. Spots will be limited, so stay tuned on the So True Social Accounts for the sign-up link. And thank you, Virginia, in advance, for posting those. I watch a lot of TV. I'm just like, you know, I'm chilling watching TV, not dating. I listen to music, actually.

I listen to music. I listen to... Is there anything you're big on right now? Any music you're really big on at the moment? Well, I'm loving Lily Allen's album. Obviously so good. Audrey Hobart's album this year was like... I listened to it nonstop.

It made me feel like a teenager. Do you remember... I mentioned this to someone recently and they gave me kind of crazy eyes. Am I the only one who remembers in Pitch Perfect? The puppets to the Lily Island song? Oh. Fuck you.

Fuck you. I don't remember the puppets. there's I really it's this is like starting to become like a Mandela Effect where I'm like Am I the only one who remembers the puppets They were puppeting to that song They're called the Socapellas Yeah

Oh they were like competition But it was like a it was like an interstitial It was like yeah that they just It was like a one cutaway gag chance you moved off the screen Christ You're showing me a blank screen And it has like one job and he can't like pull up the picture Maggie I'm so sorry that yeah

Oh good for them Oh they're actually little sock puppets too The way he totally tuned me out Just trying to recover It's about to bounce back Your microphone matches your shirt That's kind of nice You guys can't see it's pink and pink

He's representing women today Because pink is girl Boy Sorry Are you okay Maggie why do you have a blue mic? Big news I actually

I'm a strong she-her And sometimes I feel bad about it Really? Yeah Why is that? Well I wish I should I could, you know, gender bend, but I'm kind of like, girl, top. Vice girl's inside of me.

You're Megan Trainor. She follows me on TikTok, so don't not talk bad about my friend, Megan Trainor. Megan Trainor. What was her song? All about that base. About that base. And then she said, what was the one that it was like, if there was like a line that was like, if you're fat or something about like, oh, that.

Oh, you got to focus on. I do have ADHD. You for sure do. She had some lyric that was like People were like going crazy about it They're like you're making fun of skinny people It's like for once yeah I don't care

No I don't care at all I have never once care The thin people are always trying to get a like Wow change skinny to fat here And see if you like it No I won't And shut the fuck up I'm told to eat a cheeseburger a lot

I'm like that would be If someone told me that I would feel happy Do you know what I would do If someone told me to eat a cheeseburger? What? I would I'd have a great day. You like smash or are you like big?

Oh, I like smash burgers. I don't like when a burger is like huge. No, like a Mondo burger from. Yeah, one of my big complaints actually is when they do sandwiches too much. Yes. If I can't, if I can't grab it like this. I can't get the mouth around and take one bite with just my regular mouth. Yeah.

If I'm having to unhinge my jaw like a fucking Anaconda to get in there, your sandwich is too big. Your sandwich is way too big. It's not cool that you did that. Let's get it down. Yeah, let's get it down. And let's have a good sauce to veggie to meat ratio. Oh my gosh. Yeah.

My mouth is watering. Oh, my God. I'm hungry. I haven't had lunch. We got waters. I'm going to hook it up. No. You know, there's a pokey place near here that I like.

Oh, my God. Maybe I get pokey after this. I had poker for the first time in Hawaii. Do you like it? I loved it. I love pokey. I got in, I'm getting into, I got into seafood last year. Lobster, crab.

What's the shrimp? Thank you. What's the shrimp? Hold on, hold on. I'm coming. I'm coming up with it. Shrim, shrimp, shrimp, shrimp. And then I had pokey and it was amazing.

I'm trying. But, like, when people are like, do you want, like fish? I'm like, ooh, let me think about that. Yeah. Like a Brandzino or something. Yeah. Oh, I like a Branzino, though. Oh, I'll get there.

You'll get there. I'll get there. I'll get there. I'm nervous. It's fun to order for the table. My dad loves fish, and he's always like, come on. Fish is great. Try the fish.

Fish is one of those, seafood in general is one of those things that, like, I can eat a filling amount and not feel bad afterwards. Yes, yeah. Which is nice. Yeah. Shrim cocktail changed my life. Shrim cocktail is everything. Dip.

Come on. Come on with a dip. Yep. Trim Cartown. Dip. Come on. Maggie. Yeah.

What's going on? You just started a new podcast. I did. Tell the people about it. It's called literally life-changing with Maggie Winters. And it's on Stapleview. It comes out every Wednesday. Please listen if you want, but if you don't want to, that's no problem at all.

We've got to get you on it sometime. I would love to come on. But why are you saying don't listen if you don't want to? Don't you need people to? I want people to make their own choice and live their life. No, listen, please. Actually, if you don't, if you listen and you're like, I don't love this, just play it and walk away.

Yeah. Yeah, I need that right now. Yeah, do the same for us, by the way. Oh, yeah, come on. How's it going? It's fun. Yeah, I was at first, like, obviously I talked to you. I was like, I don't know, podcasting.

I don't know. There's so many podcasts. Do they need my voice? But I'm like, you know, fuck it. I'm going to do it. Someone else's staple of you is amazing producing it. So it's like, I just show up, rock out. With your cock out?

With my cocktail. Yeah, I'm going to have, and following your footsteps have my dad. on it. I know your mom on it. My mom, I said my dad's going to be on and my mom goes, what the hell? Like one day, girl. She goes, what the hell he on to? And you go, who taught you that? If she said that, I would

die. She goes, what the hellie? Yeah. That's so funny. Yeah. I'm going to film some here, so I'm in L.A. all over the damn place. What's been your favorite and least favorite part of since starting it? Since starting it? Yeah, like, what is the thing you've loved? Is there a thing you've been

surprised about? Is there a thing you've been that you've kind of hated that you didn't expect? tell me about the process of doing it because I think it's so it's interesting because when I started mine when I started this one it was kind of like oh we'll just see if it takes or not and now it's become like is it doing okay doing okay it's people do people know about it it's accidentally become like the most vital part of my creative life actually yeah I'm seeing kind of it next to soap cutting videos every day which that's good for us yeah yeah we like yeah how has it been for you what is the what have you learned so far the thing I yeah

I think it's interesting to like I don't like I was filming so some in New York and to have to, like, go somewhere to do something is always hard. Yeah. And you're like, oh, I have to get up and I have to go. And then I get there and the guest is always a blast. And I'm always laughing, laughing, laughing. The internet part of it is hard. Your team obviously is like, we want to get the clips and going.

We want people to love the clips. And then you, again, share a clip and the internet is always weird about everything. So that's, like, the harder part. But getting to, like, laugh with people, getting to laugh with people, write this down, guys. Getting to laugh with people is amazing. Put this in your notes, y'all. Come on. Put this in your affirm.

Yeah, it's fun. It is fun. I'm excited to see where it goes, you know? I don't know. Yeah. But also what you were saying about showing up anywhere that you have to be is a nightmare. A nightmare. Yeah.

Even if I, and then I get there, I'm like, this is awesome. I was upset. Almost every time. Yes. But here's what I'll say in our defense. Yeah. Those few times that you didn't want to go to something and you powered through and then you ended up being right and it sucks.

Oh. Those have a lot more sticking power than the more times that you go to something and it turns out to be awesome. It's a more visceral feeling of like, God damn it. I didn't trust myself. Yes. So there's a sticking power with that. Yeah.

What's the last time we showed up something and you were like, that sucked? Usually for me, it's when I... Today, I'm like, what? No, usually for me, it's when I agree to go to a second or third bar. Oh, always. I never regret going to the first one. I almost always, the first one is like, good for you. You got out.

You saw people. You said hello. It was really nice seeing everybody. You loved it. You felt energized by it and inspired. and it was fun to see your friends. When I agree to go to the second or third place, it's usually about seven minutes into that

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And they'd be like come to this. Like sometimes they'd come to our apartment. And let me walk in an apartment. I go, these people are 22. I need to get, I'm about to get like, not that anything's happening, but it's like I'm about to be. like on a TV show like yeah 35 year old woman is in a 22 year old woman's house why yeah it's just how it feels I'm like I need to go actually it's like that it's like that uh snapchat screenshot of that woman where it's like so there's a 56 year old woman here yes I just saw that for the reason that

that's me I'm like I'm like I'm the corner like it's just it's just not and especially like as I get older I'm like I need to just go to bed like it's not it doesn't feel good anymore yeah except if I do say out if I say out to like two or three it's It's like, whatever. If I stay out until 6 a.m. or something, I'm like, this is the craziest night of my life. And I'm not even doing drugs. Yeah. I want to make that clear with the audience.

But what's, like, I must have been having the time of my life. You must have been having. It happens in New York a lot. You stay out. You stay out. You stay out. I know. It's funny, I wondered if living there, I would be out a lot more.

Yeah. And I will say there are more often nights in New York that I, that I have been out and I look at my, the time. Yeah. And I go, oh, my God, it's 3 a.m. Now, I'm not one of these New York people that's like, oh, my God, the sun's coming up. I'll catch it before then. But it is just easier to be out late on accident. Yeah, exactly.

In a fun way. You're having a blast. Look at your phone. What the hell. I will say, I lived in L.A. for four. What the hellionte? I lived in L.A. for four years. And I will say every time I thought that I would be like, oh, my God, it must be like midnight.

I check my phone. It's 7. Yeah. Oh, everyone in L.A. is like, oh, we must have to go to bed now. And you're like, we just got here. We just ordered the appetizers. Yeah. They're like, no, it's time.

It's really tough out there. I've got to get up and hike and drink juice. They do. They do. They love it. I don't like that stuff so much. I have tried, like, I did the hikes a few times, and it's just, like, so funny. I'm like, I can do this, and then I get to the top.

I'm like, oh, my friends are like, wow. Like, I'm like, Jesus, great. I don't feel empowered by that. Then for one week, I, like, I feel empowered for a week of, like, I did that. Yeah. Then I'm eating KFC, Nashville. Dude, they're good. I would be lying if I said I wasn't feeling it right now.

I used to get the, when I was in high school, they had like the mini slider sandwiches. Oh, I don't know those. What are they called like Twister bites or something crazy? I'd be like, get me through the drive. Let's go with the twister bites. Yeah. And they had fries too.

Oh, they had wedges. They had wedges fries. Their season wedges were good. Yeah. No, they don't. Rest in peace. Fuck. Fuck.

Whatever question for you. Oh, I can't wait to hear it. If you, if someone, okay, if someone came to you right now, some like rich person. Okay. Ethical. Ethical Millionaire. Ethical, okay.

Ethical millionaire came to you, and they were like, we have, we'll say, $3 million. Okay. We have three million dollars. You have to spend, it's kind of a Brewster's Million situation. You have to spend every cent of it on one creative project. Oh. What would you make with it? Like, what would you spend?

It doesn't have to be, like, it could be anything, but what would you spend $3 million on? So I can't, like, buy a house. This is like a... No, you have to spend it on a creative project. And what it can be is if you're like, oh, I have an idea for a movie that would probably only cost a million, you can just pay everyone.

Yeah, yeah. What would be your thing? I would make a movie, for sure. What would the movie be? Oh, my God. Are you going to give me $3 million today? He's like, think about it. Depends on how good this pitch is.

Oh, my God. I wasn't prepared. I have a TV show idea, but I need to think of a good movie idea. Yeah. I have one, because I moved in with my parents this year, shout out. And last year, actually, and it was like during the election.

But it's weird because my dad is liberal, but it was like being 35 living back at home with my dad who talks about Trump every single day. Yeah. I think it would be a fun movie. Yeah. Yeah. And like, just like our relationship. That, I wonder if your dad is like my grandpa. My grandpa is like a Iowa lifelong railroad guy.

Yeah. You would never expect it. He fucking hates Trump. Oh, yeah. And he hates him to the point where we're like, all right, man. Like, like, oh. We hate him too. brings it up so often

and it's like we're actually we hate him in a way where we're trying not to think about him yeah it'll be in the middle of dinner there's like too long of a pause and he'll be like at god damn crook Trump and it's like no we know and we agree and thank God you feel that way

the exact same my dad today breakfast I'm sitting there he's like guess who was on 60 minutes last night I was like he goes Trump so I didn't watch it I'm like okay why are you telling me then he was like what was he talking about and he goes I don't know I didn't watch it I'm like the Martin's like what

yeah he talks about it and like I actually call him out one time I was like you talk about Trump plot. He's like, so does your mom. I'm like, what? No, she doesn't. He's obsessed. She's obsessed. She's voted for him six times. Did you do the math? No, no. She's, yeah. She has a pin on her bag right now that says he's an idiot. Love. Doesn't say the word Trump just says he's an idiot. Queen. She's like, I want people to point it out. Queen. I know. She wants him to go who and she goes, Trump. Trump. Who's an idiot? Donald Trump. The liar in chief.

No, literally. I know. I love. I love. love it though I love like we part of I think part of our national healing is going to have to be reembracing cornball yes like uh democracy now lives yeah like we're gonna have to bring them back into the fold and actually be proud of them like RBG tote like we're gonna have to be proud of them again photo of me at 22 features female yeah nasty woman oh I had nine with her shirt that I wore every day that I could yeah because I was in southern Missouri and I wanted to I wanted people to know, like, I'm not like these motherfuckers. Guess what?

I'm with her. I'm unusual. I'm with, I'm unusual. I'm with her. I loved that shirt. Oh, my God. Yeah. And I was with her.

Yeah, I was in a lot of ways. And I was with her, you know? I was with her. And I, and it's funny because now I look back and I'm like, if I knew now what I. No, now. If I knew then, if I knew then now what I could have known then for now. Yeah. If I now knew then.

Yes. No, if I knew then what I know now, I wouldn't have been with her so hard. But at the time, I didn't know so much about, like, I didn't know so much about like, like, neo-con, like, war hockey. Like, I didn't know so many things that I know now. So I was just like, oh, my God, she's a woman who likes gay people. I'm with her. And she's in politics. Yeah.

You know, it's a beautiful time when I didn't know who Jeffrey Epstein was, you know. Didn't know who Jeffrey Epstein was. And I did make a huge mistake the other day of downloading the. victim's book onto my Kindle on the plane because I panicked and I couldn't have had my AirPods and I said let me just download a book and non-fiction and then it's the most I mean it's obviously it's just

most scary I'm on the plane going screaming my head off it's really scary stuff it's obviously not funny you want me to bring this up on the it's just like the idea of you getting kind of bored and going like yeah I know I guess I'll download the Epstein victim's book is like

that's crazy I know and then now I feel kind of a guilt where I'm like, I have to read it because she told her story. Like, I have to read it. Yeah, we have to listen to with it. And every page, my eyes are bleeding because it's... No, it's terrific. Yeah. What would you do if you could make a project at any project right now? Well, I am making it

actually with Trash Mountain, which is really nice. Wow. But for... If someone came to me with a fresh $3 million and I couldn't invest it into Trash Mountain... Yeah. And was like, what would you make? I have this idea for a script that I don't want to spoil, but I have this movie idea

it's sort of a seeking a friend for the end of the world meets her five minutes in the future type movie that's pretty grounded in our current reality but just a little bit push forward and it's a script I've been really I haven't written it yet

but I've outlined the entire thing in my head and I talk to some friends about it and I've gotten some really good feedback and I would probably make that I hope that somebody sends you a box of chocolate with $3 million. Yeah. Warner Brothers messes me.

Can we send chocolate? Like, no, I need money. No, I need money. I need money. You're not an idiot. Sorry, you guys are amazing. No, you guys are awesome. Please.

I'm kind of in a headspace lately of just being like, I just want to do, because I do this and this is like my, the podcast is kind of like my job. You know what I mean? It's like, I love doing it. I get to chit chat with buddies. We get to laugh. We get to hang out with Nicole and Chance. And like, it's a really nice gig. Then I'm like, okay, so then when I'm making movies and movies.

stuff I just really want to make like cool weird artsy shit yes yeah that's kind of where I'm out with it where I'm like I actually don't have any desire to be in like I don't want if I'm making it I'll go and be in like I'll be like a number seven like funny side character in one of in a big huge studio movie over five for sure I would go and do something silly and something like that but for my projects I'm like I used to think I would write like big studio comedies for myself to start and I'm like actually I kind of think at least for the next couple of years if not maybe forever i want to make like sub five yes yeah uh like indie stuff freaky stuff yeah yeah like fun stuff that has like we need art we need art you know we need an indie film revival oh my god we do yeah

we need it bad we there used to be like sundance and like all the festivals used to like there used to be this awesome type of indie movie that came out all the time yeah that we like rarely see anymore like what that i'm like missing yeah like even something like um you think about like a little is sunshine. Oh my gosh. Where it's like something like that where it's like where are those kind of movies really anymore? Let us make them. Well, we should make them.

We're not scared to. We're not scared. A lot of people are saying. I'm looking down the barrel. We're not scared to make indie movies. Me and Maggie. Yeah. We're not scared to work crazy days for weird amounts of money.

Weird amounts of money. We need a chef on site because we don't want to be eating the fried stuff. We need a chef on site because if we don't have one, we will forget about the concept of vegetables. I will be eating Taco Bell. in a way that is not right. I wish I could make everyone listening to this understand the, like the kind of self-satisfaction I feel when I order a side of fruit.

Oh my God. Like at breakfast this morning, he was like, he was like, do you want like, do you want like garlicy fried home fries or do you want a side of fruit? And I was like, that's easy. I'll have the side of fruit. Yeah. You know, and I felt so like, you know, crazy. He wrote that and he said, good for him.

He was like, he starts cheering up. He's like, awesome, man. The chefs are going to love that. Hey, good shit, dude. Yes. He kind of gives me a little noogie. Yes. He's like, I'm really proud of you.

Yes. Yes. I, oh my God. Why did he just give me the finger? That'd be crazy if he did. Chance is really antagonistic with the guess. If I, I love my dad. It was like so, he's just like beyond.

Like, can't even like put a little butter in something. Really? He's so, he's like, today he's not as he's making chickpea Orzo stew. And I had to go, okay, yeah, I'd love to hear that. Sounds cool for you and mom. Yeah. I'll be picking up KFC on the lawn.

If I walked into my house with KFC, I think my dad would call the cops. I'm serious. Really? Yeah, no, he's like, he's health guy. He never, we never, like, we got local fast food, but we never got, like, chain fast food growing up. Yeah. And then when I was, like, on my own, I was like,

you're like, I need to see what this is all about. When I discover Taco Bell, I said my life is over. You know, I don't have the thing with Taco Bell that a lot of people have. I know. Taco Bell feels like people have a real affinity They're like locked in on it I think it's cool

I enjoy it sometimes Are you pissed at me For locking in on Taco Bell? No not all I just wish I felt You know what Taco Bell is for me When you're like talking with a group of friends Like two in the morning after a night out And we're like what should we order?

Yeah For me I'm always like McDonald's is more the vibe But everyone always feels like it's what Taco Bell And I will say Taco Bell is the best for just like Throwing 75 things in the car And then spreading it on a table with like 10 of your friends and being like

kind of it doesn't matter who got what, just grab something. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's like we just get like 20 soft shell tacos. Come on, guys. Fast it around.

Kind of that. Yeah, that's true. I have a very specific order though. I was about say what's your tebow order. I get the grilled cheese burrito with chicken, the side of avocado ranch. Ooh, other avocado ranch is good. Oh my God.

Yeah. And when they forget it, I'm spiraling. You can't believe the way I've reacted. When I do order McDonald's. Yeah. If it's, you know, it's like later I need like a really quick meal.

and they forget my hot mustard. Oh. I could put my head through a window. I'm like how, I literally out loud in my apartment alone have said to myself, like, how hard is it? How hard is it? Don't forget the sauce. Put the sauce in the bag. Yes.

Yeah, I'm like, God damn, I get so enraged. You don't think I don't want sauce? What am I eating is dry? I'm going to eat dry french fries, like a fucking, like a hamster. Yeah, like a hamster. Ew. I get real. I get angry.

Yeah, I get really pissed. That's so not right. No, yeah, I'm trying to eat less of it, though, of course. Fast food? Yeah, because on the road, it's so easy. You know what, like late night? Like, if I have, like, two glasses of wine and then I'm like, a little Taco Bell. But it's like, and then I'm going to sleep heartburn to hell.

Acid reflex up and now. Waking up, like, four in the morning with like, oh, my God, am I going to. It's not worth it anymore. Am I going to die? Yeah, I'm going to die. Yeah. It's not for me. Yeah.

I stopped eating. I pretty much don't eat fast food on the road anymore for the most of it. Sometimes obviously do. Good for him. Good for him. But the reason is because I started to, like, part of my travel packing started to be bringing Tums. Oh, I know. Yeah.

And I was like, hey, probably a different solution to this. Yes. Then, like, having to travel with Tums. Heard. Was like, stop having F.C. Nashville hot nuggets at 11 p.m. Yes. Maggie Winters, what's so true to you? Oh, my God.

Well, I was going to say, I, earlier, we kind of already said it. It was like, what's so sure to me is leave me alone. like unless you want unless it's with kindness but like if you just leave me alone with the other stuff yeah leave us all like just leave everyone alone so can you give me an instance recently of when you haven't been left alone that someone should have left you alone and not on the internet but I'm talking like in real life in real life well I think the ADHD girl was kind of like leave me alone

like you don't tell me like anything you don't need to diagnose me no or like I had an Uber driver who is like you he was just out of number like you have to be taking Ashwaganda And I was like, hello? He was like, he's like, when we write it down for you, I was like, no, I know the word Ashragonda. Like, you don't need, he's, you have to be taking it. Leave me alone.

I don't have to be taking anything. Drive me to my place. Leave me alone with Maggie Winters. The Maggie Winters podcast. Leave me alone. That would be my negative podcast after dark. Leave me alone. Isn't that great, Ashragana.

And then he like wrote down some other thing. I said, I don't need this. Yeah. But of course, no, I didn't say that. I was going, thank you. Oh my God. Thank you. Yeah.

Please write it down. You know the car. Throw it away. What does it do, Ashbergonda? And he told me every single thing, I locked it all out. I don't even know what it does. Health and happiness. Yeah, it is an herb that is commonly promoted for stress and anxiety reduction.

Leave me alone. Chance? I'm kind of like, maybe I need to take Ashbergandah. Fuck. On accident. I'm like, no, leave Maggie alone, but maybe hit me up. I might need to hear the pitch as it turns out. Like my mom is like constantly like.

She, whenever someone else gets a brand deal, she comes to the room, she's like, Connor just did a Heinz commercial. I'm going, leave me. I'm, what do you want? She's like, did you even call Heinz and ask if they wanted you? No, yeah. She used to tell me and my brother, she's like, you should email Stephen Colbert. Did you?

No. Well, where's his email? Stephen at stephencobert.com.net. Oh, my God. One crazy thing, I can't remember if this has come up on the podcast before or not, but one crazy thing is, like, famous people's emails are what you think they are. Reese Rees Witherspoon at g-mail.

It's literally like, wetherspoon at yahoo.com. Like, they, like, they literally are, like, famous people's emails. I'm about to get a season assist. Almost every time I see a famous person's email, like, really? It's crazy. Yeah, I mean, do you change your email if you, like, reach a point of fame? Yeah, I've definitely noticed, I've noticed that there's a certain level of famous where first of all, they're not even on the threads.

When you get to a certain level of famous, it's like, you're never emailing with them directly. Yeah. And then when a very famous person. person has emailed with me directly, then their email becomes like, it's like, it's like, whistle jump one, too, you know? It's like, it's smart. Yeah, it's like not even a name. It's nothing you could think of. Do you think Taylor Swift like texts? For sure. For sure. Yeah. I just think about that. I'm like, you know, people are like, like, I would be, like, did she have the time?

I don't save anyone's, I had a famous person recently give me their phone number. And they, when they texted me, they were like, they're like, what's your phone number? I would text you. And they gave them my phone number, and they texted me like a version of their name. I don't want to put this person on blast, so I'm not going to say. But they texted me a version of their name that was like, only we would know that it was them, like if someone else had seen it on accident. And I, in that moment, I was like, oh, no, I have every famous person's number saved in my phone as like first and last name.

Yes. So I'm like, that would be really bad. Remember when I, when you, I remember when you first, like, were fame, fame and fortune. I was like, can you put me in a group text with me, you, Phoebe Bridgers and Paul pal and you were like yeah that would be awesome to do did I do it no but you were like wouldn't that be funny I'm so sorry no I mean obviously if you did that they would be like

what's wrong with you but it was like the idea of being in a like you adding like me to a group talks with these people hey guys just seeing what's up also the idea of the four of us yeah the idea of the three of us or the four of us talking about sort of anything is so funny yeah that'd be fun that is really fun

I should do that today yeah we'll just put that just any famous person maybe after that Phoebe and Paula if you're watching let me know if it's okay that I put you in a group text with Maggie. They watch. They're watching this episode. They go, no, no.

What if they were both listening to this right now? And they were like, oh, my God. They call me. Start the group text. Start the group text. I would cry. I would cry, of joy. You know who will be listening to this episode?

Who? Waxahatchee. Oh, obsessed. She listens to every episode. She'll text me, like, two hours after an episode has come out and been like loving this one. Wait, that's so sweet. She's up on it, dude. That's amazing.

She's put our new record. What does it? it called uh the project is called snow caps okay um it's her and her sister alison who i love uh her and you introduce me to them in new york yes at the at kevins was it the baby's show that we went to yeah i was shaking i was like um yeah katy and alison and uh jake or m j linderman and um brad cook both played on it oh i can't wait to listen it's really good yeah snow caps it's out now go check out snow caps right away and then my podcast after and then so it's in order it's watch and listen to this whole thing subscribe to my substack

check out the bonus content with Maggie on substack then you can go listen to the full snow caps album and then if you have time you can listen to Maggie's podcast which I haven't gotten to be on yet but when I do it'll be really good it'll be good yeah we're going to do like a kind of an after dark one

with you we're going to do a leave me alone it's going to be it's going to be leave me alone with Caleb Heron and Maggie Winters podcast yeah I can't wait for that you know that I have a segment for you of course the questions Which I did pretty well in the live one. I was on this live, so I don't think I don't know. In Indianapolis.

Yeah. Maggie, I'm going to read you 15 statements. You're going to tell me as quickly as you can if what I just said was true or false. I'm going to set up for this. And if you get 10 or more correct, Maggie, we are going to give you 50 U.S. dollars. I don't believe it? Okay. You ready?

Time magazine was first published in 1899. True. False. 1923. The Cincinnati Bengals have won two Super Bowls. False. False. They've won zero.

Yes. The human heart beats around 100,000 times a day. False. True. Okay. Lift is older than Uber. True. False.

The original Goose Island brewery location was in St. Louis, Missouri. False. False. Chicago. The corporate headquarters for Taco Bell is in Irvine, California. True. True. It takes two years for a single pineapple to fully grow.

True. True. Beaver's mate for life. False. True. There are five Austin Powers movies. False. False.

Three. Spirit Airlines was originally called Charter One Airlines. False. True. The mascot for Illinois State University is Reggie Redbird. true true that's where i went to school maggie winters was an american sitcom starring beverly d'angelo false false faith forward napoleon naparte was actually average height for his time period true true squirrels can't burp true true lin minuel miranda has six pet birds false false how'd she do 10 and can i just say

pace was incredible really a pace queen very strong people take their time a lot people take their time in a way that sometimes borders on insanity. There's two things on this show that I find funny about our guests, and I love all of our guests equally. There's two things. Taking so much time in the true or false, doesn't make me mad, just makes me laugh because we set it up as being quick.

And then I actually don't know what to do at this point about, I don't know if we'll ever figure out how to fix this one. People refuse to plan is so true. I would say 95% of guests who come on this show, just simply, we ask only one thing of our guests. and it's that they lightly think of a so true for them, refuse. So when it comes to it, they're just like, I don't know. I can't tell you the number of times we've come to it and had to cut for five minutes.

Take a bathroom break. Let them think on it. And the audience never sees this. Come back and then go, so what was you so true? And then the big they've come up with is like, um, curtains should be brighter. You know, it's like they've just like looked around the room. And it's like, okay. Crazy.

Yeah, that's nuts. It's like, who cares? but it really does make me laugh because I'm like, it is the only thing we ask for. It's the name of the podcast. It's the name of the whole podcast. Maybe they don't know. We had some more segment ideas when we started this podcast.

I mean, we still do voicemail sometimes. It's harder when we're traveling like this. Yeah. I'm trying to think of other, at one point I think we were going to like, one of the failed segments for this show was that we were going to, we were going to read guests like headlines and like show pictures, like, show like pictures with headlines and be like, do you think this is a real headline or a fake headline?

Oh, that's fun. Like, we were going to bring, like, the news into it. That's work, though, for chance. It's, well, chance is addicted to not working, so we can't do involved things like this. Oh, man. Oh, brother. Oh, brother. He works really hard.

But, no, we didn't end up doing that one. I mean, yeah. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. I'm, like, I'm thinking I'm going to add and remove segments. I really view the, the show as, like, a living organism that I'm like, in two years, it might look totally different. Who knows? It's art, people. Podcasting is art.

Yeah. Oh, my God. Write that down. It's like merch. so true merch podcasting is art write it down somebody write it down so true with a so true logo podcasting is art so true logo underneath it oh my god send me one write that down send me one i did the other day get really addicted to the idea of doing a so true museum exhibit at some point oh my god i'm not talking like oh the chair that we filmed the show in or so i'm talking like a weird

like nothing to do with the show like so i went to the yoko ono exhibit at the contemporary it was fine it's the contemporary did a great job on it i just yoke i'm like here there on yoko but some of the stuff was really cool and one of the things she did was that she in like maybe the 70s she did like a big billing of like oh i'm gonna have a solo show at this museum and then there wasn't one and so then the the show itself was actually interviewing people who showed up to see it and found out the show so the show was the interviews okay she's tricking people and they were interviewing and people were like yeah there's no fucking show so we're pissed and they're like they're like but doesn't that seem interesting and they're like no no

I got to take three trains here fabulous oh my god you should do it's like so true exhibit and then people walk in and it's like the Joe Rogan experience

whoa and it's Joe sitting in a cage the real Joe like you he's sitting in the you box yes and everyone's like what and they get to tap on the glass

yeah but he's got like weights and water and stuff in there yeah he's happy he's got a cold plunge he's happy yeah he's good Maggie it was such a delight to have you thank you so this was a dream

in Chicago too where we met in Chicago where we met well no that's not sure we met in Missouri for the first time oh I guess we did I forgot about that and then we became friends in Chicago where Caleb used to G chat me do you like girls yet and I well I didn't know

we would use all of our friends had like office jobs at that time and so Google chat was how we all talk to each other at our respective office jobs and I had so many different Google chat friendships but yours and mine was definitely just me checking in on gay I would just in the middle of work day be like what's up with you and girls yet And you'd be like, I'm not gay at all.

And I'd be like, we'll see. Sorry, you took a pandemic to figure it out. I've dragged a lot of straight girls into by. So I don't know what's going on. Yeah. And I've dragged a lot of my girls into lesbian. I haven't yet converted a gay person to straight. And someday I'd like to try.

Yeah. Just to see. Yeah. But I could, do you want to work on you? On me? Yeah. It would, the thing, the way I know I'm not straight is that my life would be so immeasurably easier. Yes.

Like every woman I mean. I have a deep soul-level connection with. And most men I meet, if I could get away with it, I would kill on the spot. Remember when my friend Tucker, we first started hanging out, and my friend Tucker told our friend Yassie, he was like, I think Maggie doesn't know that that guy's gay. Like, she thought I'd crush on you and didn't know that you were gay. She keeps bringing him around like something. Yeah, literally.

I was like, what the hell? That is so funny. I know. Shout out. I love you so much. Thanks for being here. Please tell people where they can find you. At saggy splinters, unfortunately.

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