So True with Caleb Hearon - Natalie Palamides is a Good Guy

Episode Date: April 17, 2025

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Does it make you sick? No, well, you know anything can make you sick, right? Okay. If you get it. You do a lot of voiceover stuff. I do, yeah. You're on one of these a lot. Cartoons.

You're in a booth doing some wild shit on there. Yeah, I'm on the mic, but they would never take this. They would never want the visor in. Really? Because, I don't know, I guess it warps the sound, so they always have you turn it around. Really? Yeah.

Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, interesting, right? I've only done a little voiceover, and if I wore a hat, I'm sure they didn't care enough to have me move it. They're like, that's fine. Yeah, because you're a star. No, because I'm not a, I'm not you. You can do so many, your voice work is incredible.

Oh, thank you. Your comedy, you know I'm such a huge fan. Your comedy in general, I'm such a massive. I'm a huge fan too. The thing I wanna tell you is about somebody else who's a big fan of you. Oh, you said, okay, so. Okay, so you said before we started recording,

can I tell you something or should I save it for the record? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I said, save it, okay, tell me. Are we recording? Well, we're recording. Oh, okay, so I. We sneak started recording, can I tell you something or should I save it for the record? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I said save it, okay, tell me. Are we recording? Well, we're recording. Oh, okay. So I- We sneak up on people on the show.

Oh, I see. We never know where we've started. Oh, okay, okay. Love it. So I was having coffee with James Corden. Yeah. And he said, you're the funniest comedian of all time. James.

Yeah. James, stop it. Yeah. James Corden, you wouldn't possibly. Yeah, he said you're a star. Oh, that is very nice't possibly. Yeah, he said you're a star. Oh, that is very nice of him. Yeah, he said you're gonna blow up and be one of the most iconic movie stars,

like one of the voices of our generation. Or he said you already are. Well, that's huge for me. He's obsessed, he's obsessed. What were you guys, did you guys get coffee in LA? We got coffee in London. He came to see my show. As he should.

Yeah, and yeah. He's so nice. And he loves you so much. He came to see my show. As he should. Yeah. And, yeah. He's so nice. And he loves you so much. He is so nice. He's been so sweet to me. He, he like called me, I, years ago I had, I was still living in Chicago. And he, I had some video do like, I don't know, but some kind of numbers on Twitter.

Not even one of my big ones, I don't think. And James, I got my number from our, we like, Sharon agent. And he was like, Caleb, I just feel like, you've got it, like you've got it. See, you're so good at voices, actually. Okay, nailing James. Yeah, you are.

He was so sweet, and the last time I saw him was also in London. He came to my show when I was out there, and then I went to see him in a play. And the next day day he was like, do you wanna go get lunch at Soho House? And I was like, well I'd rather die, but let's do it. And so we went to Soho House in London,

and you know, I watched him, and maybe I'll text him and ask if he's okay with me telling you this, but I thought it was so funny. We were sitting by the pool at the Soho House. This woman walks up. She goes, I know we're not supposed to bother people here, but James, I'm such a big fan, and I just want to know what's going to happen

with your TV show. He's got that TV show years ago that they're doing another. And he goes, do you really want to know? And she goes, yeah, I really do. What's going to happen with this character? And James goes, he dies. We just filmed his funeral. And she goes, oh my god, are you serious?

And James goes, yeah, I mean, I don't tell anybody, but yeah, we just filmed his funeral and he dies. And she goes, okay, well, I'm sorry to bother you guys and have a good day. She walks away and I go, is that true? And he goes, no. Oh my god. That's legendary.

That's so funny. And then when we left, he was like, how are you getting home? And I was like, I'm going to take a line bike. And he was like, me too. And then he got on a line bike and like, line biked away from me. I was like, James Corden, you can't be on that line bike.

Oh my god. It will kill you. It happens. Yeah. Epic. I saw, well a lady came up to him in the cafe with me and he was so nice. He was like, she was like,

can I please get a picture with you? And he was like, when are you leaving? And she's like, probably in an hour. He's like, come back to me when you're leaving. I promise I got a picture. It was just so, you know, I was like, thought I was so diligent. And you know, he set a boundary,

but still like, you know, gave this woman what she desperately wanted, and... That's so sweet. I know. You got to go to a regular cafe. You didn't have to go to Soho House? Oh, yeah, just a regular. God damn it.

But in his neck of the woods, in his neck of the woods. Yeah, you had to go over there. Yeah. Yeah, Soho House is such an insidious space. Something about it, yeah, just isn't right. It just doesn't sit right. It's basically, when you ask me if I want to go to the Soho House,

it's like asking me, would you like to have a picnic in a graveyard? Uh-huh, yeah. It's where a lot of dreams go to die. It's just, ugh, it's like project managers. I don't know, I just can't. Out loud phone calls where it's like, no, tell them we want 10 million.

You know, it's just like ugh, shut the fuck up. It's a lot of people that maybe are aspiring to be, like have a certain kind of stature or something. Yeah, and I reek of somebody's guests. No you don't. I reek of somebody's guests. No you don't, you're the member. I walk in there and they go, who are you with?

Who are you with sir? You're not a member of this establishment. People say that to me often too. They're like, what are you doing here? Yeah, they often look at me like, you're not supposed to be here kind of thing. Yeah, but I'm usually a little maybe disheveled looking or something.

Not as nice as I look right now. Now you look good in my hat. Yeah, but I will say Soho House, they have a good burger, maybe? The thing is, their chicken bites are to die for. Oh yeah, I haven't had a chicken bite there. I would never take this from them. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I would never take this from them. How kind of you. The vibes are insidious, but the chicken bites are something special. Actually, I have a really bad memory associated with Soho House because I got hit by a motorcycle in London. Recently? In 2018, fall 2018, I was crossing the street at Dalston Kingston station because I was late

to some meetings I was having at the Soho House. And the train there only comes every 15 minutes and I was like, fuck, if I miss this train, I'm going to be really late to this meeting. And so I looked both ways, the cars were stopped for traffic and I was just like, I'm clear, I dart in between the cars and a motorcycle comes up the middle and just decks me. And I fly through the air, I'm thinking, oh my God, I'm dead. You know, I'm thinking like- Yeah, you're in the air going, that's it.

Yeah, yeah. I was thinking fuck, like yeah. And then some angels must have come and swooped me because I just landed like very delicately on my side, not a scratch on me. I was wearing this big North Face winter coat that I had just got. And yeah, I just had a big bruise on my side

but I didn't hit my head, I didn't break anything. I just popped right up and I yelled out to the guy, both his mirrors knocked off his bike, and I said, are you okay? And then we got swarmed by two giant crowds of people, and I was like, I gotta go, I gotta go, I'm gonna miss my train. Ran down to the train station, a doctor chased me down,

and she's like, I gotta check you, you gotta go to the A&E, like, and she was like, she had a little flashlight on her. Yes! She was like, breathe deep for me, she's got a stethoscope. And, and, yeah, she checked my eyes and she's like, you gotta go to the A&E, but I was like, no, I have to go to these meetings.

But I'm a little bit resentful of the people I had these meetings with, because I got there and I was like, sorry, I'm late, I just got hit by a motorcycle, and they're like, oh, are you okay? And I was like, yeah, I think so, but they should have been like, you need to go to the hospital. They should have been like, sorry I'm late, I just got hit by a motorcycle and they're like, oh are you okay? And I was like, yeah I think so, but they should have been like, you need to go to the hospital.

They should have been like, let's take this meeting in the ER. Right. Or the A&E I guess, what the hell is that? But it's like, why didn't they, like I was obviously in shock. You know, I could have had internal bleeding. That was my first thought.

A real hypochondriac knows internal bleeding is, I got some real shit, yeah. Yeah, exactly. Anyways, I had two meetings at this, back-to-back meetings at the Soho house. Did anything come of them? Nothing happened. God damn it! I know, fuck, right?

I wanted to hear, like, and that's how I sold Nate. Yeah, no, I wish. Nate had already been out, no, it wasn't sold by then. It definitely wasn't out. Yeah, no, 2018, no, yeah. How did you pitch that? Nate is one of the only specials I have sit down and watched on purpose.

Really? Oh yeah, dude, I'm a huge fan. Thanks, Caleb. How did you pitch that to them? Well, Amy Poehler's company saw it at the Edinburgh Fringe. So they approached me and said, we love your show. Do you want to shoot it as a special? And obviously I was like, yeah.

And, yeah. Yeah, I do, of course I wanna do that. They pitched it to Netflix and Netflix was like, they watched a tape of the show and they were like, we don't know how this would work on TV and they passed on it and then we shot it independently and then when we came back around like shopping at the people they bought it Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah on the other side. Huh did you have a general bidding war going not at all?

Everybody else said no That's oh, yeah, I mean it was straight to Netflix That's crazy now we chose Netflix crazy. Now we chose Netflix only. Yeah, we chose Netflix only. Can I ask you a personal question? Yeah, please. It's inappropriate. Okay, I like that stuff.

Is that okay? You can ask me anything. You can cross any boundary you like. Okay. And then if you just, you know if you want to cut it, you'll just tell us and we'll cut it. Yeah, yeah, for sure. How much you making on those guy coat commercials? Oh! Come on, come on, what are we raking in? What are we raking in on those? I make like a year from those.

That really makes me happy. Thank you so much. It's so lucky. Yeah. It's like the luckiest job ever. I always think they're going to fire me because I'm like making on TV and stuff like that. Sometimes I post something. Yeah, I think they like having like a little edgy comedian around, you know?

They like it. Come on, give them a little bit of an edge. And don't you feel that sometimes there's like a, You guys like that, right? Geico, Geico, right, please? Yeah. Well, that lizard's a sex freak. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

Me and the lizard. You and the lizard are out there showing off your shit. Exactly. No, I do think that there's some execs at some advertising agencies and then some marketing groups that are like, my job as I see it is to get some comedians some money. I think that some of them see it that way. Yeah.

Don't you think they go, I love this comedian, I'm gonna get them paid. I mean, they must be doing that for me. I mean, it's like a full ride scholarship I have to Hollywood. Like there's no other way I could make like, all my weird shows if I didn't have this bankroll, well, you know, and be eating nice snushey and stuff.

You know, I'm eating sushi. You're eating sushi. I'm like, you know, taking my friends out to dinner, but you know, I see it as like, I gotta share the scholarship. You know, my friends are always like, why you always picking up the tab, you know? Cause I'm always like, I got this, and they're like, I'm gonna share the scholarship. You know, my friends are always like, why are you always picking up the tab, you know? Because I'm always like, I got this,

and they're like, you always do, but I'm like, but I got the scholarship. I should be doing this. I got the Guy Coppell grant. Yeah, exactly. I owe it to my community in the dorms. I'm like, we artists need to support artists. So I need to pick up the sushi tab.

I'm not picking up the tab. Well, but come with me. I'm not doing it. Come with me. I'm not doing it. Come with me. I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it. I tell my friends, even if I go out to dinner with a broke friend, I say, you're paying.

Oh, okay. Because I want you to know that there's individual responsibility. Right, right, right, right. Just because I make a lot of money doesn't mean I'm picking up the sandwiches. You can't, in a way, you're enabling them. It's like work harder.

Exactly. To be unsuccessful. If you want to be like me, you have to suffer paying for the sandwiches. Yeah, in a way you're enabling them to be unsuccessful. If you wanna be like me, you have to suffer paying for the sandwiches. Yeah, exactly. You know what I mean? And so I'm actually looking out for them. You are. Yes. In a way, I'm doing my friends a disservice then.

I didn't wanna say it, but yes, you're coddling them. That's why all the clowns are like, struggling right now. You know? Because they're sucking on mommy's teeth. Yeah, big time. Both of them. Yeah, both of them.

And there's not a lot in there. It's funny to imagine that instead of both of the teeth you meant both of the clowns. There's only two. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just you, Chad, and someone, and one more. Courtney. Courtney.

Maybe Zach Zucker. Zach, I was gonna say Zach. Yeah, but I'm like, you know what? I always say to my parents, cause my parents are like, why are you always picking up everybody's tab? And I'm like, I'm rich. And they're like, parents, because my parents are like, why are you always picking up everybody's tab? And I'm like, I'm rich. And they're like, no, you're not.

Like you can't buy a house. You know what I mean? I'm still- Yeah, or comedian rich. That's good. Also that's what your parents do. What do my parents do? What do they do that they think that's not rich?

No, I make more than that. They're like, you're not rich, don't pick up sushi. I wondered where I'm from, that's a billionaire. Yeah, yeah, but they live in Pittsburgh, you know, so they're like, if you were here, that'd be fine, but they're trying to look out. I love Pittsburgh. It's a good town, where are you from, by the way?

Kansas City. Okay, oh, that's how you know, you're friends with Kevin Morby. I sure am. Yeah. I sure am friends with Kevin Morby. I sure am. Yeah. I sure am friends with Kevin Morby. We've talked about you on Instagram. Kevin loves you.

I love him too. He's a huge fan of your comedy. He's coming to my show this week, I think. Are you gonna come? When is it? April 14th through the 17th. I'll be gone, baby. Oh no.

I'll be gone, I'll be back to New York. New York, well I'll be in New York in the fall. Really? You promise? I promise. Will you come? To your show? Yeah? To your show? Yeah.

To your show? Yeah. Yes! And we'll be friends? Natalie, it's just quick. It's a lot of pressure. It's quick. You're in my hat and you're asking if we'll be friend.

I mean, friendly. Uh. Friendly. Wait, do you know what just happened to me? What? This might affect our friendship. No. So you deserve to know. I do really want to be closer friends with you,

but I did just get a dumb phone. What? I'm jealous. That's what I want, that kind of phone. Everyone's already mad at me. No, cause they go green. They go green. But that's what I want.

And listen, this pisses me off because I just went to Disney Tokyo-shi and in order to buy pretty much everything there, you needed to have a smartphone. And I was saying to my friend, I was like, this is fucked up. It's wrong. Because what if people don't wanna have

one of those smartphones? What if they wanna have a dumb phone so they can go, you know, not be tied to something. Listen, I'm all for this. I wanna have a dumb phone. Join me. I might join you. How is it?

I'm doing both for the moment. So I got a new number on the dumb phone. Right. And also, I went to have a dumb phone. Join me. I might join you. How is it? I'm doing both for the moment. So I got a new number on the dumb phone. Right. And also I went to get a new, I went yesterday to activate my dumb phone at T-Mobile. So this is new. Oh, just yesterday. Congratulations.

Thank you. I'm doing both for a while because I can already see like transportation apps like Delta, airlines app, Uber, like those are gonna be a problem for me because you can't get them on the dumb phone. Yeah. I don't yet have not yet figured out what I'm gonna do about that,

but I'm rebelling because I'm fucking tired of what you're talking about. Everything requires a goddamn smartphone. I know. I need a fucking iPhone to open the menu at the restaurant, to use a bike, to board the plane. I fucking hate it at the restaurant. It pisses me off.

Yeah, but how are you gonna ride the bike now? I'm not gonna ride the city bikes anymore. I'm gonna have to get my own. Okay, but that'll be nicer having your own bike. It will, but they gotta stop doing this. Let us put in coins to get the city now. I'm not gonna ride the city bikes anymore, I'm gonna have to get my own. Okay, but that'll be nicer having your own bike. It will, but they gotta stop doing this. Yeah. Let us put in coins to get the city bike. It was so nice, so I was just in Japan.

Shout out. Yeah. Shout out to Japan for real. Yeah, and they have all these vending machines where you put in coins, and it's so gratifying to just be able to put in the coins, and you hear it go, tsk tsk tsk. Yeah.

Or a pay phone. I wish we'd bring back pay phones. Yeah, let's bring them back. Bring back pay phones. I mean, everybody's pissing on the ones in London. Yeah. It's a disgrace. It's horrible.

You know, like, treat them with some respect. Like, those are part of your history. London's not. They're not acting right in London. They're not. They're being weird over there. If they had those pay phones in Japan, they'd be spick and span.

Yeah, they'd be self-clean. Big time. I mean, have you been there? No. Every single bathroom, even in the train station, has a bidet. Yeah. And a seat that automatically raises.

Yeah. And the seat is heated. You seen Perfect Days? Haven't. You gotta watch Perfect Days. Do I need to watch this? Perfect Days, Vim Vendors. Running in town. Perfect Days, one of my favorite movies of the last several years. Really? Haven't you you gotta watch perfect? I need to watch this perfect days them vendors running down perfect days

One of my favorite movies of the last several years really and it's a you'll love it It's especially watch it off your fresh off your trip. Okay Man in Japan, okay. Also, I don't know if you noticed earlier, but I said hi. We're like talking I was like hi Hi, that's how they say yes over there Switching up on everybody. Yeah, big time. That's beautiful. Thank you so much. How do you like living in New York? Oh, I love it. Should I move there? Yeah, what's going on? Yeah, you really should I know my family wants me to move there Cuz he's coast Pittsburgh so close, six hour drive. Only six. Only six, six and some change.

I randomly get a lot of work in Pittsburgh. Do you? I'm going back soon. I keep getting college gigs there. Oh, great. Like Q and A's at colleges. I just did Pitt and now I'm going back and doing Carnegie Mellon soon.

CMU. I'm going in there. Wow. I'm going to Pittsburgh. You know what's awesome about giving talks at colleges? Especially ones like, I can never get in there. You know what I mean? But they're like, will you come talk with us?

Oh yeah, they would not have accepted me. You wouldn't have accepted me. And you want me to come teach your chosen ones? What's that about? I'm doing a lot of college gigs at schools that anyone could get into. Oh, okay, okay, yeah. Carnegie Mellon is a different story,

but I've gone to some schools, it's pretty clear. They have me there as like a, I'm best case for their students. Right, right, right on, okay. You're gonna need to get on TikTok if you guys wanna make a career, is what they're saying to these kids. Are you big on TikTok?

I believe so. Wow. I believe so. I don't post on there. It's all Virginia. Shout out to Virginia. Virginia does all the posting. Shout out, Virginia. That's awesome the posting. Shout out, Virginia. That's awesome.

The only time I hear about my TikTok, what, we have like a million or 800,000 followers or something on there? They, the only time I hear about my TikTok is, it's happening right now actually, is when I have a clip that people are like, news sources are picking up. And by news sources I mean like ResistLib,

like Democracy Now will sometimes share something I say and be like comedian owns Trump. And then it's like oh God now I have to hear from these freaks. You pwned him. You pwned his ass and you're like whoa whoa I don't want to get on his bad side. Like you guys shut up.

I'll tell you I'm starting to think differently about talking bad about the guy. Oh really? He's disappearing people. Is he really? Yes. Wonder where you go. They're pulling to affect El Salvador.

Oh. To a brutal prison. Oh my gosh. They're plucking people they don't like off the streets and I'm over here talking shit on this guy. Cast shit in public, Front Street. Keep talking, I wanna see where you go. You better promise, if I keep talking shit on him

and I get disappeared to El Salvador, you better promise to come get me. I'm taking a trip, for sure, I love traveling. I was just in Japan. This is a really fun movie. Maybe he disappears people to the beach. And he's like, listen, I don't wanna, you know, I don't wanna make your life hard.

It's just, you know, I have to show people, I mean business, have a nice time. He pulls them aside. He's like, hey, this is so not personal. Yeah. Like, you don't have this is so not personal. Yeah. Like, you don't have to go home, but you can't stay here. Exactly. We are going to send you to Barbados.

Yeah. And just enjoy yourself. Have some plant, fry plantains. We're going to shave your head and post some pictures of you that look like you were in El Salvador. But don't worry, you're going to be fine. Oh, are they snapping pics? Oh, they're doing full social media.

We have gotten to a level of fascism so quickly that it's almost hard to believe. They're doing TikTok social media. We have gotten to a level of fascism so quickly that it's almost hard to believe. They are doing like, they're doing like TikToks of people, prisoners' heads being shaved that have been convicted of no crimes. And the audio is like, na na na na, hey hey hey, goodbye. It's dystopic as fuck.

I live under a rock. This shit makes its way to me. And then people wonder why I don't wanna be on the thing. Yeah. It's horrible. Yeah, no, now wonder why I don't want to be on the thing. Yeah. It's horrible. Yeah, no, now I know. These little rectangles are ruining our lives. Big time, I know.

Because if no one was watching the rectangles, they wouldn't make the fucked up deportation videos. I know, I was just saying, yeah, our lives are so much more difficult because of these little boxes. I know. That's just how it is now. Or is that like so ignorant of me to say? Are we dumb? Maybe it's like, maybe it's ignorant. I'm like, it'd be so much easier if I didn't have to know about all the bad stuff. But like, I'm just being realistic. What am I gonna do?

What? Look at me. What am I gonna do about this? What am I gonna do about this issue? You think I'm gonna go head to head with this guy? With Trump? Yeah. You think if'm gonna go head to head with this guy? With Trump? Yeah. You think if I speak out, anything's gonna happen? You think he's gonna care what I say?

He's not gonna care. Are we dumb? Are me and you dumb? Are we? Are we dumb? I think. Let's be honest. I think, yes.

Has money changed you? I think yes. Twice over yes. Twice over yes. Twice over yes. Twice over yes. Damn. Dom and change by the Geico checks. Yeah, big time. I'd love to get in one of those.

Would you tell them? 100%. Would you tell them I'd love to be in there? For sure. I could do, what do you wanna? I'm gonna get Geico on the phone right now. Hey, Geico, what can I help you with? Sorry, it's still ringing.

Oh. Oh. Oh. Ring, ring, ring, ring. They didn't pick up. Oh, I think you're getting a call. Hi, this is Geico. We missed a call from you. Oh, hey.

Sorry, I didn't expect you to call back. Oh, yeah, what's up? I'm taking a podcast right now. So my friend actually was hoping to get in one of the spots. I wanted to see if you could get him in. Caleb Huron. Yeah, could you pitch him? Are you certain that that's how you pronounce his last name?

I was uncertain, but I still committed. I still said it. Cool, cool. No worries. Can you pronounce, can he pronounce your last name? Oh, we don't know him. Oh, okay, okay. Could you tell me a little bit about him?

Like, just kind of pitch him to us. And be glowing about it. Yeah, I mean, he's one of the funniest comedians of our time, even James Corden has said so. James Corden brings him up randomly in conversation at cafes and just says- Is he sexy? Big time. Is he sexy? Yeah, he's got major sex appeal. Even James Corden has said so. James Corden brings him up randomly in conversation cafes. Is he sexy? Big time.

Is he sexy? Yeah, he's got major sex appeal. People want him. He gives off this effortless air of confidence and you just instantly wanna be his friend. So likable, so enjoyable to be around, handsome as hell. And I think just overall, just a 10 out of 10 person. Nice, Natalie, well it's always so good hearing from you.

Except wait, sorry, I think he has vision, maybe some vision issues. Vision issues? Yeah, I don't know if you're gonna have to, he needs to wear contacts for the spot if he choose to, but he is wearing, yeah, he wears glasses. Would the glasses work in the spot or no? Let me ask.

So yeah, so he's wearing glasses. Does that work for the look? No? Okay. He doesn't. It doesn't work for your look. Natalie, we're gonna get off the phone with you now. We love you so much.

Oh, okay. Bye. Thank you, love you too, bye. How did it go? So it was good, they really liked you. They liked the sound of you. I was kinda like, you know, I was like, am I talking to Caleb, am I talking to them?

That was apparent, yeah. But, yeah, no, it feels like you're in a good spot. Okay. They're gonna think about writing you in. Okay, just debriefing the exercise a little bit. I wanna say my favorite part of our improv scene was probably when I answered your phone call and then you said, they're not picking up.

That was textbook classic guess ending. Right, right, right, yeah. I studied at UCB, and so, yeah, I have good skills when it comes to any kind of improv. Long form, short form. How did you, were you doing improv before you did clown stuff? I was doing both simultaneously.

I was introduced to clowning in university. In university. Yeah, so I guess technically I was doing clown first, but yeah, when I moved out to LA, I kind of was like hitting the ground running, like I wanted to be on SNL so badly, and I was like, I have to do UCBA, I have to do groundlings, I have to do iOS.

So we did all those things like all at once. And then as I was doing it, I was like, I kind of miss like the theatricality of the, you know, clown stuff I used to do in college. And then I was on set of Pretty Little Liars doing background acting. And like, Fates just kinda dipped in. I dropped my cough drop on the ground

and I said, I'm still gonna eat this. And this girl laughed and we got to talking. And she happened to be doing wardrobe on a Cirque du Soleil show and we got to randomly talking about Clown. I didn't even bring it up. She was just like, oh yeah, there's Clown. He's starting classes and I was like, no way.

I was like, I love Clown and anyways, I signed up and it's called the Idiot Workshop. Still going, still going. Who teaches that? His name is John Gilkey. It's his school and he's like, famous Cirque du Soleil clown. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah, exactly, I'm like, I was doing this so somebody would put me in a movie. Hello? Hello? What's going on? I don't need to do these plays anymore. Ever heard of it? Put me in a movie. Oh my God.

Like, can you give me a fucking part in a movie already? And they're not doing it? No, well listen, can I tell you this? I don't know if I'm supposed to say this on the air, but years ago, when I got hit by this motorcycle, I got cast in this part in Seth Rogen movie, The American Pickle. I was supposed to be his assistant,

but my manager couldn't get me out of like my run that I was doing in London to do this movie. And I'm like, is he the- Couldn't get you out of a run in London to do Seth's movie. I know, I'm like, is he the worst manager in the world? You still have him? No, I fired. Yeah, it's not looking good.

Right? I'm like, that was a bad call. He was like, sorry. He's like, there'll be more. And I was thinking at the time, and you know, I was so, I mean, I was 20, you're pretty young, aren't you? 30.

Oh, okay, okay. I was 28 at the time. Okay, okay. And so I feel like, maybe I was really stupid, but I was just like, okay. But I should have fought for it and been like, no, you get me out of this. Where was the run in London at SoHo?

Yeah, SoHo. What is the repercussion of canceling on SoHo? I know. All love to SoHo. All love to SoHo, but then that day I was supposed to be filming, I got hit by a motorcycle and had to cancel the show anyway. And guess what, it worked out.

And guess what, it worked out. And guess what, it worked out. We were able to cancel for Motorcycle. We could have canceled for Seth. I know. And I'm like, what the heck? So Seth, if you're listening, listen, I wanted to do it. Seth listens. Does he?

Seth, Seth's a loyal listener. Seth, I know you're listening. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, Natalie wanted to do American Pickle. They shot that in Pittsburgh. I know. Oh, this is horrible. It was perfect, I know.

This is horrible. It was crazy. And then the day that I was supposed to shoot, I got hit know. Oh, this is horrible. It was perfect. I know. It was crazy. And then the day that I was supposed to shoot, I got hit by a motorcycle. This is unbelievable. Yeah. Anyways, isn't that just, that's crazy, right? Do you know what I keep thinking?

What? I do, my career's going okay. It's going great. But I know a lot of producers that aren't putting me in their stuff. What the fuck? I'm going to lunch and dinner with them, and they're my friends. But I'm going to lunch and dinner, they're going, God, you're so funny. I'm going, you have three with them. They're my friends. But I'm going to lunch and dinner, they're going, God, you're so funny. I'm going, you have three projects on TV right now.

Yeah. What do you think about me playing guy number two? Yeah, I mean, seriously. In two episodes. Slip him in, right? I'm saying, can we put Natalie and Caleb in some projects? Let's fucking go. I saw you in a couple films.

I'm in a couple. Yeah. But I'm just looking at some of these people I hang out with. I'm going, you're a big time Hollywood producer. Yeah, let's go. You're not going to offer me a small part? I mean, give me an under five already.

Come on, make me a fractional, make me a three-tenths regular. Get me on the set. Yeah. Get me on the set. Come on. Anyways, that was my big, I feel like that, in my mind, I'm like, that was like a moment where I like fucked up. Where I'm like, ugh.

Well, there's no such thing, don't you think? I don't know. You were supposed to get hit by that motorcycle. You think so? You were. What if I was in this movie with, you know, this big time movie star guy, and then I just was A-lister from there?

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Yeah. Every, the episodes come out at midnight. I'm glad he's gonna hear this. At 1.33 a.m. And he's on it. He texts me every night and says, just finished the episode. And it was awesome.

I love it, you're so funny, your guests are so great. And so he'll do that with this one, but Seth, I just wanna say to you, Natalie, being in that movie with Seth would have done maybe a couple things for you. Having the motorcycle story to tell on this podcast. I just, I think it's like we look at the scales and it's like.

Which one? The motorcycle went out ways. Motorcycle story on So True is gonna do a lot more for you. Mark my words. I'm marking it. Mark my words. Yeah, I'm left-handed. I don't know why when I write in my notepad

Yeah, go ahead write it down write it down for me. Yeah. Thank you. What else did you tell me earlier to watch perfect days? But you have a good day. You wrote it down then too. So I would not still be in there It was oh different page. Oh There it is. Is that...? Oh, Diet Coke. Oh my God, thank God. Oh, Diet Coke, just to keep me regular.

I thought that was wine for a second. Do you kind of wish? I kind of wish. Do you kind of wish I was downing wine while I was talking to you? Yeah, or grape juice. I was like, okay. Sparkling grape juice? I love a grape. I bust one out. Would you start popping a bottle of sparkling grape juice on I was like, okay. Sparkling grape juice. I love a grape. I bust one out.

We should start popping a bottle of sparkling grape juice on every episode. Let's pop it. The champagne, let's freaking go. You ever popped a bottle of champagne? Big time, of course. Popping it in the ceiling. It's humiliating to try and do it.

I'm making holes. What are you talking about? I always take too long. Oh. I did it at a work event recently and everyone's like, you got it, you work event recently and I truly everyone's like you got it Yeah, and I'm like I'm like it's because it feels that it can sense that you are scared of it Yeah, you have to just dominate that thing nice. You know how to work those yeah

Hey you want to do a voicemail oh, let's do a voicemail, yeah sure. Put on your little headphones. Okay. Natalie I'm just loving having you here, I never want you to leave. I know, can I stay? Yeah. Be here till the end of days.

Oh these are, I forget how nice these are. Yeah. It's a, it's a, I wanna know if you think it's true that we're living in a simulation, I'm not sure. Did you pick this voicemail? I'm curious what you think. I'm kind of thinking we might be.

What should we do if we are in a simulation? Natalie, what do you think? Well, I think the first move is obviously to do what you did and get a dumb phone. Yeah, get us out of the simulation. Do you think we're in one? Be real. Okay, listen.

This is something I think about. I think about, listen, I, listen, I always tell myself on podcasts, you gotta be wary of what you say, because people are gonna think you're crazy if they know what you actually think about. I think about a lot of conspiracy theory stuff. Yeah? Big time. Which one are you rocking with right now? Well, 5 theory stuff. Yeah? Big time. Which one are you rocking with right now?

Well, 5G stuff. Oh, Natalie. Listen, you've seen the Aries necklaces? Those things that protect you from the 5G? I can tell you right now that you're seeing different things than I'm seeing. I'll tell you that right away. They advertise me on Instagram, but they're getting me, man.

Like, I'm about to get one to protect me from all the 5g But we should we should answer this girl first. Well, I think I might need to hear you're getting a necklace to protect you from 5g Yes, because I like to magnetic fields. They're microwaving our brains Someone's scamming you Who are we to know maybe that is happening? Maybe that is happening. Maybe that is happening. We wouldn't know if it was. We wouldn't know.

I kind of don't care if you believe that as long as you land on my side politically. You know what I mean? Oh, for sure. If someone's like, 5G towers are real, but I voted for the person you wanted, I'm like, rock on. Yes, yes, yes, yes.

Yeah, you can count on me. Good, thank you. Yeah, for sure. Do you really think 5G cooking our brains? Well, I'm just like, what if it is? What if? You know, like, I don't think it's necessarily 100% true, but it could be true,

and then if it is true, shouldn't I just wear this necklace and protect myself? You know, I think me and conspiracy theorists, what differs about us is that they, what if kicks a bunch of things off for them and what if is where I finish. Oh. I go, they go, they go, what if 9-11 was planned?

You get off on that. I go, what if. So you finish big time on that. I finish on that. You're like. And they go, what if, and I start coming everywhere. Yeah. All over the place.

You're like, I finished. Yeah, I'm fucking shooting yarn. Yeah. All over the place. Yeah. I'm blasting strings. Nice. I wish I could do that.

I'm doing that up here. I'm like going deeeeee! Into my clown friend's mouth. But with sushi. But with sushi. No, I just think what if, I don't care. What if the 5g towers are cooking our brain? We're all going to die regardless.

Because, well listen, I've struggled with a lot of, this is another overshare, like health, autoimmune, like, you know, like, you know, like, you know, like, you know, like, you know, like, you know, like, you know, like, you know, like, you know, like, you know, like, you know, like, you know, like, you know, like regardless. Because, well, listen, I've struggled with a lot of, this is another overshare, like, health autoimmune stuff. So it got me, whenever I started struggling with like a mystery illness about eight years ago, the Western medical system failed me, and so it sent me on this rabbit hole

of like alternative medicine discovery, and I met a lot of weird people who are conspiracy theorists. Like this one guy makes ozone machines in Topanga in the woods. And I started going to see him. He practices medicine without a license and shoots me up with ozone in my vein.

Which a lot of people are gonna be like, dad is not safe. I've done it a million times. I'm still sitting here. But my friend called the FBI on him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I wanna say, I have rarely found myself in the position of being glad that the FBI was called,

but I think your ozone provider in the woods of Topanga, I'd like to see him chat with the agents. I know, I would love to see that too. I'd like to see Agent Starling kick in his door for sure. What are you talking about? It gives you shots of ozone. Are you doing drugs with this man? Just ozone. Just ozone therapy.

And coffee enema. Coffee enema. He's giving you coffee enemas? He doesn't give them to me, but he makes like contraptions. I'm sure he does. But that allow you to, you know, do the coffee animal. It's a glass jug with like a basketball pump on it, so you fill up the jug with the coffee,

and it's just, everyone's gonna, this is, I'm so, I always tell myself, don't say this stuff, because everybody's gonna think, everybody's gonna think, everybody's gonna think, that girl's crazy. And it's like, I know, it's crazy. It is. When I'm looking in from the outside, I'm like, that girl's crazy.

I'm just worried about you a little bit, obviously, because I'm like, what are in the ozone shots? It's just ozone. What does that mean? What does that mean? What does that mean? It's pure ozone gas. What? So he has an ozone machine.

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I'm sure somebody's gonna say Okay, thank you for your info but and so I'm not killing myself like this. Okay, thank you for your info. And so he fills up like a vial with, what are these things called, syringe? With the ozone gas. And as long as it's pure ozone and it doesn't have any nitrogen in it, it's totally safe to put it in your body.

As long as there's no air bubbles or anything like that. Because that'll kill you. Because you'll die. Yeah. You'll have an embolism and die. Yeah. Listen, I haven't done it in over a year. Does that make you feel better?

You're clean. You're clean on ozone. I'm clean, yeah, yeah, yeah. What was it doing for you? I don't have any more track marks. So ozone, you can get it done out of doctor's office, but I was just going to this guy in the woods because I was like, I lost God a little bit.

You know what I mean? I this guy in the woods because I was like, I lost God a little bit, you know what I mean? I like lost faith in the medical system because I was like feeling so sick and this was the only thing that was helping me. That makes total sense to me by the way. There's nothing weird about the Western medicine not helping you with something and when you feel sick and then you starting to go, what else is out there?

Yeah, yeah, exactly. That makes a lot of sense to me. Okay, okay. Okay, well I'm glad we got there. Yeah. Well, I don't know if we're there because I still have a lot of sense to me. Okay, okay. Okay, well I'm glad we got there. Well, I don't know if we're there because I still have a lot of questions about this man you're seeing in the woods. Yeah, but back to the simulation thing,

and we can talk about this guy all you want, but it's funny as she mentions, are you living in a simulation? Because I had an epiphany a couple months ago where I realized, are the game makers having us play Sims? Like have they made Sims for us to play because that's essentially how they're playing us? And if so, is the cheat code to our lives

rosebud exclamation point exclamation point exclamation point. Like should I just be meditating saying rosebud exclamation point exclamation point exclamation point and get all the money that I want? Is that part of Sims? Is that part of Sims? So in Sims, if you say rosebud, if point exclamation point exclamation point exclamation point and get all the money that I want. O'Reilly- Is that part of Sims? Is that part of Sims? I don't play Sims.

Lapera So in Sims, if you put in the cheat code rosebud exclamation point exclamation point exclamation point exclamation point as many exclamation points as you want, that's how much money you get. And it just fills up your bank account with cash with that cheat code. O'Reilly- Whoa. Let's try it right now. Rosebud exclamation point exclamation point exclamation point exclamation point exclamation point exclamation point exclamation point exclamation point exclamation point exclamation point exclamation point exclamation point exclamation point exclamation point exclamation point exclamation point exclamation point exclamation point exclamation point exclamation point exclamation point I think I'd be good with that amount.

I think that's like at least 10k right there. So you think we might be Sims operated by people that you're calling the game makers? Yeah. That one I'm actually not, I'm not off board with. Oh, okay. That one I think I can actually rock with not off board with. Oh, okay. That one I think I can actually rock with. Yeah. I don't see why not.

Yeah. It wouldn't change anything for me. I still have to do my Sim tasks. Exactly. That would actually be comforting to me. And somebody's still playing you. Like, who do you think is playing you? They like design you.

A lot of gay guys, I'll tell you that much. The stuff they have you doing? I'll tell you who's playing me, Natalie. A lot of gay men in New York City. Oh, wow. I could take a page out of that book. Hey, whoa. I haven't gotten any action.

You're not getting laid? No, not in a long time. How I find that impossible to believe. Somebody, please. Somebody help me. Help. Help. Help. Somebody help. Help Help! Help! Help!

Somebody help. Help! No, it's been a minute. Like, I'm a nun at this point. I'm celibate. I wanna know if someone from the not on purpose. From the office will come in here

if we yell help. Yeah. Help! Help! Actually, that's kinda scary that maybe we've been yelling help and nobody's come. Yeah, no, it's definitely like a, it's our society.

Yeah. I think like this all points back to the phone. It's society, man. They're probably out there scrolling Tic Tac. Yeah, big time. And also that's why I'm not getting any action is cause everybody's scrolling Tic Tac. If they would get a dumb phone,

you'd be, your shit would be wrecked. Big time. You'd be getting run through. A hundred percent, I'd be the Titanic. Yeah, just splitting half. Somebody iceberg me. Yeah, they'd be iceberg run through a hundred percent be the Titanic. Yeah, just split now somebody iceberg Yeah, they'd be iceberg in my ass out there. I wouldn't be able to walk down the street without getting nice broke up my ass I don't where are you looking for? What do you by the way? What are you into? Listen, is there a gender that you're rocking with I skew hetero fuck sometimes chick nice, but it depends

I think I'm more attracted to people's personalities. Oh, I've met people like you. Yeah, I forget what they call it. I think they're calling it pan these days. Yeah, I don't know, but I don't feel like it's fair for me to identify as something, because I haven't really, I'm kind of a loser. What? Like, I've been celibate for over two years, something because I haven't like really I'm I'm kind of a loser

Like I've been celibate for over two years, so I feel like right now I can't really identify I think you're a vol cell though. You're certainly a vol cell. I'm vol cell for sure because there's people lining up Somebody would people are tying I could but right now like I'm banned from hinge. What? What'd you do? Listen, I don't think I did anything wrong What? What'd you do? Listen, I don't think I did anything wrong. During COVID, I made like a scary profile and... What do you mean? Like, I was just kind of bored

and I was annoyed with people like just swiping on, you know, whatever, they're like just giving me the swipe. And I was like, you don't actually like me, you're just swiping. Like, people just swipe, they're like, oh yes, yes, yes, yes. And then you try to talk to them and they don't say anything and I'm like, ugh.

So I was like, I wonder if I'll get maybe a more niche audience if I make a profile a little more specific, like maybe somebody more with my sense of humor might like this kind of thing. Anyway, I don't know, I was doing a social experiment, I guess, I changed my name to Nobody and then I made the pictures, a dark picture of my eye, my tongue, my teeth.

And I answered the prompts in a sort of scary way. Like what, give an example. If it was like, how will I know if you and I will get along? I said, if you can shut your fucking mouth. Okay. Yeah. Hot, kinda hot. Can't band for that, exactly. Kinda hot, what the fuck? That would mouth. Okay. Yeah. Hot, kinda hot. Can't ban for that, exactly.

Kinda hot, what the fuck? That would kill on field. Yeah. Right? So it's like, you know, why am I banned for this? And then I wrote an appeal, denied. What else did you do on there? Was there anything more scary than that?

That's it, no. Nothing more scary. I feel, I almost don't believe you. Is that crazy? Please, you gotta believe me. You didn't do anything else scary on there. Were you messaging people? I'm so honest. Look, I'm so honest.

Like I told everybody here my coffee enema stuff. Yeah, you did bring up the ozone shots. Okay, I trust you. I trust you, I'm sorry. That was fucked up on me. But maybe people are gonna be like, she's trying too hard to be honest. She's hiding something.

Why you brought that idea up? That's cause I'm honest. What are you hiding? Cause I crossed my mind. Do you think you're hiding something. Why you brought that idea up? That's because I'm honest. What are you hiding? Because I cross my mind. Do you think you're hiding something? Absolutely not. No? No. Never in life?

No. I wish I hid more. Yeah, I don't think you are. I didn't want to say it. I'm Sullivan. Oh my god. So embarrassing. And every time I say it on every podcast,

I'm like, I need to get fucked. But it's like, then I watch it back, cause you know, they use it for a clip or something. And I'm like, why did you say that? You know? It's always used for clips. Well, we don't want to use a clip you don't want. Do you want to give us a usable clip right now?

Give us a clip right now. I'm getting laid 24 seven. I'm just like, I'm turning people away really yeah Fucked all the time big time and it's like I'm tired like leave me alone a little bit. You know yeah and Maybe I don't want that for the club okay, do you want to try another one? I can also cue you up for something like a way you want to come across team me up How do you want to come across there's like a way you wanna come across. Team me up, yeah. How do you wanna come across?

Like somebody like chill, not desperate, somebody like confident and fun to be around. Natalie, okay, you ready? Yeah. Natalie, I always see you in like a skimpy two-piece at the beach drinking Coronas with the boys in like a platonic way. Can you speak on that?

That's just how I am. I'm really confident in my own skin and my body and I like to kick back that way on the weekends. Yeah, that's awesome. And you also make a lot of money but in an unpretentious way, right? Yeah. You get like two or three billion a week or something?

Exactly, and so much money that I don't really even like to think about it or talk about it. You also put out, but only for a guy who's really the right guy, right? Yeah, I have to be in love with whoever it is. Yeah. God, you're like the perfect girl. Thank you.

Thank you so much. I, it's crossed my mind a lot, but I can't say it myself. Because you're so much. I, I, it's crossed my mind a lot, but I can't say it myself. So. I'm really humble. Yeah. Then we'll cut the clip there. It's nice to hear somebody else say it. Yeah.

Did that feel like a good one? That felt really good. Thank you so much. Do you want me to tee you up for anything? Yeah, would you just, I want to come across, tee me up for a clip where I come across as like, a nice guy who's not afraid to go there. But is like a good, deep down good guy.

Deep down good guy who's not afraid to go there. Keep me up for that. Okay, okay. Deep down good guy who's not afraid to go there. Also someone who doesn't currently kind of have the sniffles. Oh you have the sniffles? A little bit, but I don't want that to come across.

Okay. So, to come across. Okay. So, um, okay, sorry, sorry. Okay, so you have a Tesla. Oh, yeah. And you've been driving it all the time, but just because it's good for the environment, not because you support the company or anybody that is behind the company or anything like that. And you are taking a lot of supplements recently, I've heard, for your immune system. Should I try again?

Yeah, I don't think that one's going to... I don't think me being a Tesla owner and a pill addict is gonna put it over the top. I was trying to like, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. So we wanna put out there that you're in good health and. I know. I know. I know. I'm just like, okay, so I heard recently

that somebody saw you pumping iron at the gym, drinking a green juice last week. That's humiliating, yeah. I do that all the time. You were also platforming at the gym and making a speech about the stock market and also something about El Salvador prisoners. Human rights, human rights.

Human rights? Yeah. Yeah, you were platforming at the gym in the weight room about human rights? Yeah, oh that's so embarrassing. I ask people not to share that stuff about me. Oh, okay. Because I don't want the attention from it.

Right. But yeah, I guess I was doing my daily thing where I lift weights and drink green juice and platform human rights at the gym. Yes. That's just something I do. Oh, okay. That's just my mornings. Oh, so it's just part of your regular schedule.

Yeah, I'm happy to do it. I mean, God, it's finding time to work out when you volunteer so much is hard. Right. But I make it all work and... And somebody said that you were giving out weights at the homeless shelter they saw you a couple of weekends ago doing that.

Well, they deserve to live too. Exactly. Just because they're on house doesn't mean they should be fat. Right, yeah, exactly. And fugly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And you also brought a, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

And you also brought a green juice truck to the shelter as well? I give them green juice as well, yeah. Wow. They're people to me. Oh, okay, okay. That's a hot take. You weren't afraid to go there, were you?

Unfortunately, yeah, unfortunately it is a hot take. It should be everyone's take, but like, just because you're on a house doesn't mean you shouldn't have green juice and weights. Wow, thank you for saying that. I won't give them housing though. Right, right. It's too expensive.

Okay, okay. That's fair. Well, you know, you volunteer at the place that does give them housing, so. Yeah, yeah. Wow, you weren't afraid to go there. That was a brave thing to admit. I'll just go there sometimes. Do you have any controversial takes you want to go there on?

Yeah, I mean... Maybe what's so true to you? What's so true to me? I feel like people are going to be like, of course this girl thinks this. But I think we should be drinking raw milk. What? Yeah. Natalie. It's really good for your immune system. It just has a lot of benefits in it and actually

people who are lactose intolerant have an easier time digesting it because it has naturally occurring lactase from the probiotics. The byproduct of the bacteria in it is lactase. I can't tell, I'm gonna be honest with you. I can't tell if you're a genius and I'm an idiot sheep. Because what you're saying sounds really convincing and I actually don't know enough about raw milk. I just know that a bunch of people I don't like are pro raw milk.

And a bunch of people I do like think that they're idiots. And so that's kind of where I've fallen in. I know, this is where I feel so. But you're somebody I'm like who is smart. This is where I feel so conflicted. Thank you, Caleb Yeah, like this is why I'm so embarrassed to share is because so many unlikable people are pro raw milk and The community has a likability problem. I know and I don't want to be like, you know conflated with them And so I just like I feel like I'm at a crossroads here. Cause like a lot of like my education

from having my mystery illness, like kind of dipped me into like this world of unlikable, like weird people. But I kind of have like a soft spot in my heart for them because I see where they're coming from. And some of the info they gave me helped me through some tough times. So, yeah, it's like, so when they say shit about 5G

and stuff, I'm like, yeah, maybe. You know, I think like, yeah, maybe. But then I'm thinking like all my friends who I You know, I think like, yeah, maybe. But then I'm thinking like all my friends who I think like are smart and are like, this is fucking bullshit stuff, you know. I see what they're saying too. Like my friend who called the FBI on me. She is like on the total opposite side of the pond.

You know what I mean? Like she... My friend, the one who called me out of the ad on me is so funny. Shout out Carrie Poppy. Shout out. Don't think she'd mind me saying. But, like, you know what I mean?

Like, she's more in the camp of people like you're saying, like, who think like the raw milk people are stupid and stuff like that. But when you get down to the brass tacks of like, this milk, it's a magic milk, dude. And it's fucking tasty as hell. It's so good and creamy. Where are you even getting this?

I should have brought you some. I should have freaking brought some. Isn't there an Air One around the corner? Does it make you sick? No, well, you know, anything can make you sick, right? Okay. If you get it. Okay, now I gotta see where we're headed.

You had to get it from a farm that takes really good care of their cows and stuff like that. A lot of these farms that sell raw milk, they flash test it to make sure it's in good condition and it's not contaminated with any sort of toxins or bacteria or anything. It's just easier for lactose intolerant people to digest it because of the naturally occurring lactase. It's beneficial to your immune system because there's probiotics in it because,

you know, what a baby is drank when they first come out milk, right? Right. And so it's the thing that baby cows use to, you know, kickstart their immune system. What would you say to someone who says, but we're not cows? Exactly. That's what I was thinking. We're not cows. I would just say, like, well, that's what I was thinking, we're not cows. I would just say, well, that's true. That is true. But even though we're not cows and it's primarily

creative for the cow's immune system, we still reap some benefits from it. And I would also say, well, this is another thing that I'm gonna, listen, I have a lot of vegan friends, I just wanna say, but I will also say, this is so true, okay? We're at the top of the food chain, people. We're at the top of the food chain. That's why we eat cows.

Because we're at the top. Say that. We, and also like, that's not really a reason for not eating cows. I guess that's a reason for not eating milk. Like you're not a cow, so don't drink the cow's milk. But we're at the top of the food chain. Speaking of the vegan thing though,

being at the top of the food chain, do you ever have like a woke lib moment where you go total vegan brain? Like for example, there was a spider the other day that was crawling on the floor. I doubt he could have ever done anything to me. And I had an impulse to go and step on him because I didn't want him crawling around

because I didn't think if I fall asleep he might crawl in my mouth or something. Or what if he's poisonous and he does end up biting me? And then right when I went, I raised my foot over him and then I said, if I was his size and he was mine, I would not want him to do that to me. And I had a moment where I thought, maybe I'm vegan. Oh, yeah.

No, I have that with bugs. I won't kill bugs or anything like that. I won't kill spiders. There was a huge spider nest in my apartment. In this corner, there was just maybe 50 spiders I saw once when I moved a chair, like in this corner, there was just like maybe like 50 spiders I saw once when I moved a chair and a similar lady, I was just like, I'm not gonna touch it.

I don't, that's not what I was saying. Oh, really? No, I think you should have probably, I'm not like, I'm not like kill those guys, but did you get them out of there? Well, I'm not like kill those guys, but did you get them out of there? Well, I moved. Okay. Okay.

So that was, I was living in Venice and I recently moved to Eagle Rock. So that was a nice place in Venice. Yeah. You got far away from those spiders. Yeah, but pretty much every night when I was living there, I had a bunch of spider bites when I woke up. But I was just like, they live here.

So I guess in a way I am like woke lib. That's the thing that I'm scared about people thinking I'm like, you know, like, what's the opposite of woke lib? A bad guy. A bad guy, yeah, I don't want people to think I'm a bad guy, because I'm in a raw milk, but a lot of raw milk people are bad guys. Yeah.

Right? I can't get over Venice to Eagle Rock. Oh, the move. What changed in you? Well, I moved to Venice during COVID because I was like, I love the beach. Yeah. And nothing's happening over here. And then I lived there for four years.

And I just got sick of driving back and forth for shows all the time and stuff. Yeah, pretty simple explanation as it turns out. Yeah, it turns out. Do you think I'm a bad person? No, I really don't. OK. and stuff. Yeah, pretty simple explanation as it turns out. Yeah, it turns out. Do you think I'm a bad person? No, I really don't. I have some really tough questions for you about several topics.

Yeah. I would love to meet some of the people that you're fraternizing with and suss them out myself. Listen, I have to like, this guy from Topanga, you have to meet him, you would love him. I think with supervision and in a public space. He makes his own currency called the Xeron. Let me see if I can find this.

Natalie, it's not helping. No, find it, it's just not helping his case at all. Okay. What do you mean? What do you mean, he makes his own currency? Who's engaging in it with him? I think it's just symbolic, he can't actually use it, obviously. Here's the Xeron. Here's the Xeron. Godzillion. International notes of enthusiasm. I mean, it's not not

cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But if you read the fine print, you'll get into his head a little bit. International bank of enthusiasm. It's a symbol for the in-between of all opposition. When you understand the blank, it's never been about this or that it's been this and that from the get-go.

There's a zero or nothing on this side and a one or something on that side, with every conceivable thing in between But this is his currency by the way has like an essay on it Between the banks of nothing and something the river of everything flows. We are in that bars Actually, we're in that flow and everything is there and we are that so if you know that you still want more you're a moron Don't worry though. You're a more provide a lesson You're a moron. Don't worry though, life will provide a lesson,

maybe a series of lessons, so you can get your groove on by understanding the value of Xeron. Right on. Right on. And also, the thing about people that I think are crazy is every third or fourth sentence of their diatribe will hit like crazy.

Right, right. Wait, let me see if I can find the other side to it. Oh, here's the other side. Has Godzilla on it. Yeah, that makes sense. I figured it would. Oh, and a lot more text. Okay.

I mean, you can't even really understand how small the text is. The extent that we impose our will on another is the gauge of our own enslavement. The dominator model doesn't work, never did. Those who engage in imposition are imposters attempting the impossible. I mean, he's not not cool. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I'm not letting him give me shots.

Right, right, right, right. Of any kind for any reason. Yeah, no, you wouldn't need to. But I'd take a piece of his money and look at it. Sure, why not? Yeah, I'll try to find one for you. Thank you. I'll bring it to New York for you.

That would mean the world to me. Yeah, of course. Are you pretty close to giving your possessions to him and moving on to a plot of land that he owns? I was at a point, like a low point. That's pretty scary. I moved to Topanga during this low point because I was like, yeah, just so sick all the time and this guy was helping me

and I just felt like I needed to be in the woods. Yeah. Yeah. Well. But I had felt like I needed to be in the woods. Yeah. Yeah. Well. But I had a cool birthday party there. I believe it. Yeah.

I really believe it, Natalie. We have a segment for you. Oh, right. The episode has been a lot about what's true and what's not true. Sure. And we're gonna give you an opportunity here to really show off your skills.

This is a true or false segment. Oh, okay, okay. I'm gonna read you 15 statements. Okay. You're gonna tell me as quickly as you can. After each one, if you think what I just said is you 15 statements. Okay. You're gonna tell me as quickly as you can, after each one, if you think what I just said is true or false. Okay.

If you get 10 or more correct, we're gonna give you 50 US dollars. Wow. Or maybe we'll pay you in Xerons. The LA Clippers are older than the LA Lakers. True. False. Fuck.

J Wow from Jersey Shore is an Air Force veteran. False. False. The Hummingbird is the only bird that can fly backwards. True. True. Penguins can sweat. True. False. The hummingbird is the only bird that can fly backwards. True. True. Penguins can sweat. True. False. Coffee is a fruit. True. True.

Indiana University of Pennsylvania's mascot is Norm the Crimson Hawk. True. True. A group of jellyfish is called a smack. False. True. Fuck! CIA stands for Central Information Agency. True. False.

Central Intelligence Agency. The Pittsburgh Seals have won six Super Bowls. True. True. Samuel Beckett wrote the play Noises Off. False. False. Central Intelligence Agency. Ah! The Pittsburgh Seahorses have won six Super Bowls. True. True. Samuel Beckett wrote the play Noises Off. False. False. It was Michael Frayn.

Only 3% of the water on Earth is freshwater. True. That is true. There are 13 books in the original Magic School Bus series. True. True. Flamingos are born pink. True.

False. They turn pink from eating shrimp. Fuck you. Bernie Sanders is older than the Fender Guitar Company. False. True. The original Nintendo Game Boy was powered by AAA batteries. True. False, AA.

How'd she do? Eight. Oh! Is that bad? Well, you just needed to get 10 to win the money. Oh, right. That's all. Oh, right, right, right, right, right, cool.

But you're fine. You'll be fine. Thank you so much, yeah. Natalie, we love you. Is there anything you wanna tell the people before we end? I just wanna say thank you so much for having me. It's been a pleasure to be here, and I swear I'm a good guy. She's a good guy. I know that, like, I believe in 5G,

and maybe, like, it seems like maybe it might be harming the bees, but I'm not totally aligned with, like, most of the people that think that, if that makes sense. You're on your own. You're on your own. I'm on my own f- like, yeah, I'm on my aligned with most of the people that think that, if that makes sense. You're on your own. I'm on my own playing field. And do you think we live in a simulation? What do you think?

I feel like we didn't get a really hard answer. I don't know. I think no. I think I don't care. I think I just don't care. I think ultimately I don't think we are. Either way, in the simulation, I feel good when I do certain. I think ultimately I don't think we are. Like either way, if in the simulation I feel good when I do certain things and bad when I do others,

and so that's gonna remain true regardless. I need to feel good more than I feel bad, whether I'm truly in control or not. Don't you think? Yeah, 100%. Wow, I think that's the way to live. Well, you wanna tell people where they can find you? You can find me on Instagram at Natalie Palamides

and I'm still on the other website. Sorry. Natalie. Natalie. Oh. We love you, thanks for doing it. Thanks for having me. Oh, so fun.