So True with Caleb Hearon - Nori Reed is Moving to Tokyo

Episode Date: July 25, 2024

Welcome back! This week’s guest is the hilarious Nori Reed! Nori and Caleb talk everything from appreciating fine art, Short Kings, the beauty of Japan, high fives, and so much more! See Caleb Live in London July 26th! https://www.leicestersquaretheatre.com/show/caleb-hearon/ Subscribe to our YouTube channel for full video episodes! https://youtube.com/@sooootruepod?si=v6jSeGm7tdow05Rg Join our Patreon for an exclusive extended interview with Nori and other bonus content! https://patreon.com/SoTruePodcast?utm_medium=unknown&utm_source=join_link&utm_campaign=creatorshare_creator&utm_content=copyLink   Follow Nori! @norireed on Instagram, @realnorireed on Twitter    Follow the Show! @sooootruepod Follow Caleb! @calebsaysthings Produced by Chance Nichols @chanceisloud Recorded at Bad Ladder Productions in Los Angeles, CASee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

I find it humiliating that I deeply identify as a cis man. I feel very much like a man. And it makes me sick. What does, can I ask you, what does being a man feel like? It's awesome. Nori, just immediately I want to talk about something that you do to me. Oh my god, what? You pretty much, you cornered me at my house party.

Oh, my God. And you pulled out your estrogen, and you said, you're trans. And you do this to me once a week. Well, when the signs are there. Okay. You think I'm an egg? I think you... Okay, so you already know all the terminology.

Baby, I hang out with a lot of trans people. You know this. And that's one of the issues. I think when 95% of your friends are trans... You start to go... You go, wait a second. Do you think it's... Have you even considered that I'm just a beautiful, incredible ally?

Well, everything up to ally. Yeah. I think you're beautiful. Yeah. I think you're incredible. Yeah. Woman. It's just, there was a picture I saw of you and you're like, you're wearing this gorgeous wig and you kind of look like every like like the perfect fantasy of

like a midwestern mom yeah do you know what i'm talking about i totally do yeah and you look so beautiful yeah and it just kind of it clicked for me yeah at least for me i don't know for you yeah yeah okay do you think you would ever be able to accept accept me as a man just a beautiful man i do it every day oh do you and it's hard yeah yeah every day i just think that's interesting that you're accepting me as a man every day because sort of every day i'm hearing from you you can borrow some of my estrogen yeah let's go to this person you're trans you're transgender well i mean i it's my duty number one i think that as a trans person i mean i didn't realize i was gonna be coming out today

on this podcast oh my god i haven't talked about this publicly at all oh my god we don't have to um we don't have to if we could cut if we could cut this we'll start over let's start the episode hold on yeah i haven't come out i love that you're sis thank you oh my god yes yeah well it's funny because like you know comedy is kind of – did you guys talk about comedy on this podcast? From time to time, yeah. Okay, okay. It's, like, changing.

I think, like, it's getting – things are kind of – the industry is changing. Well, the woke left is destroying it. It's destroying Jerry, our friend Jerry. Yeah. I talked to him this morning. Did you? Jerry Seinfeld. Oh, I thought you guys had that falling out.

No. Oh, okay. I love him. It's just he said something at lunch that, I thought you guys had that falling out. No. Oh, okay. I love him. It's just he said something at lunch that, yeah, I guess I'll have to. No, we got coffee. Oh. In a car. But he.

Thank you. Thank you. No, but like things are changing. I think I might be going in a more like Christian direction. Oh, okay. Honestly, yeah. There's a lot of money in that yes what does that look like for you can you give me some of the christian material um

well you know it's kind of like hey like um uh you're the audience for right yeah okay hey sacramento well that's a good market too yeah okay yeah good hey sacramento it's a good market too. Yeah. Okay. Good. Hey, Sacramento. It's a Nori. It's your girl Nori. Oh, it's a set. Yeah. Okay. I'm kind of doing front facing.

I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. God lives everywhere. Okay. And isn't that crazy? That's the joke? Okay. I'm working on the punchline or whatever. I'm still figuring it like. Okay. No worries. I'm kind of working on the punchline or whatever.

I'm still figuring it out. Yeah. No worries. Yeah. I think that's a beautiful start. Thank you. And you've got kind of an in on that. You're a Kentucky girl.

From Kentucky. From Kentucky, baby. I'm from Kentucky. I was raised very religious. I'm from Christian County. Yeah. Which is like the name of the place I'm from. Yeah.

You're from Jesus. Jesus is risen. Yeah. Township. I'm from Jesus is risen township Christian County yeah God God Tucky God Tucky yeah of course so it's in it's there and I kind of want to do like a full circle kind of return back you and I have a lot in common I love that we have so much in common and I think I was immediately connected to you you're from Kentucky I'm from Missouri we both grew up in sort of religious communities.

We both ended up being queer and pretty funny. Pretty funny. But how do you feel about Kentucky? Do you have a love for Kentucky? Do you despise Kentucky? Well, okay. I haven't. Okay.

Okay. I mean, the last time I went back, and I guess we're just diving in here. Yeah. We certainly are. I guess we're. Because I think I know the last time you went back. I thought we were just going to be talking about liquid death. Oh, and we will.

I love their water. The last. Speaking of death, my... Cut. Cut. The last time I went back was when my dad passed.

Another thing we have in common. Another thing we have in common. And so it's a hard place for me. I went back as trans and my mom or dad, before he passed, neither one of them had like seen me as trans. And I had just gotten like top surgery, like breast augmentation. Brost? Brost.

Brost augmentation. Brost augmentation. And like the same week, I had to go back home to see my dad before he passed, which is pretty intense. Yeah, I would say it's definitely somewhere south of Lighthearted. That's more of the intense place. But I will say that I was really worried about even just the luggage. Because after you have surgery, you're not supposed to lift anything. But when I went on the plane, even before I could try to lift it um all these men were like let me help

they're like miss miss um because you know i had the the new boobs yeah yeah that's beautiful thank you being a woman is so beautiful it's so beautiful um it is yeah it is yeah that was the last time you went back to kentucky that was the last time you went back to Kentucky. That was the last time. And it's a weird place for me on so many levels. It is such a beautiful place, though. That's what makes it so hard. I feel like queer people, when we can't go back home to places that are really hateful towards us, it's beautiful. It's physically such a beautiful landscape.'s like physically like such a beautiful landscape such

a and i'm like that's it is funny watching queer people who for any any reason have not uh reckoned with home or have not been able to reckon with home yeah it is funny to watch us pretend that there's not anything good about these places like it is funny to watch a gay person who hates missouri being like it's there's fucking nothing And then you go and it's like beautiful rolling hills. Gorgeous barbecue. Gorgeous barbecue. Yes. Big wide streets, easy parking.

And just watching us, because I did that for a number of years. There were a number of years where I definitely raged against home and where I'm from. I was like, I'm too fucking good for this place. And every single trip home that was just easy and beautiful and delightful, I just kept more and more being like,

this place is bad. You know, I'm like falling into a beautiful rest yeah i'm like yeah i'm like oh this place is so bad enjoying the best rib i've ever had in my life yeah it's it's like that and the people also are nice that's what's so crazy is that even though they don't believe in our lifestyle or like whatever whatever like to your, it will be the nicest person you ever met in your life. Oh, yeah. Like so sweet, so hospitable. The moment you leave, it's like that is going to hell. Oh.

I think we'll keep that in. Please. I think we'll let that stay. If we could just lead with it Cold open Nori saying that Nori saying the T slur And you can say it too if you want

Nori, no I can't Not yet You and I have traveled together a little bit Yes In our gorgeous beautiful friendship And I love traveling with you For a very A number of reasons but a very specific thing i love traveling with you a very specific thing i love about traveling with you oh my god is that you are so knowledgeable about art like going to a museum with you is at once stressful because i know you're gonna take

it in and i'm a kind of a i'm i'm a hit and run museum goer. Where I'm like headphones in, Frank Ocean's Blonde album on. I go, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful. And I keep it moving. You're an appreciator. You're an understander. You'll from across the room be like, that is a bingo. And that was basically, so he was in an era of his life where he had just been hit by a bus. He wasn't by the bus.

And there were buses. And he'd been hit by the bus. And so then he went into the hospital and he was painting. And you know everything about art. Yeah. I feel. I love that. I know exactly what you're referencing.

We went to the Louvre together in Paris. Yes. And it was such a funny, like, the difference was so hilarious. Yeah. And like, yeah, it's true. I have an art background. I mean, I studied art in college. Double major was like

psychology um get a girl who can do both um sorry y'all it's just how it is and do people does everyone just like look directly to camera or you definitely have more of an affinity for it than okay yeah i kind of want to talk i want to talk to your audience did you go to ken state kenyan college where'd you go i went to kenyan college in ohio liberal arts where they teach you go to Kent State Kenyon College where'd you go I went to Kenyon College in Ohio liberal arts where they teach you how to learn which is expensive like it's fun I it's fun I went there on a scholarship and the first uh first day like the orientation the like head of you know the top dean or whatever the fuck, I don't know. Not the president, but like the top dean came out and was like, here, we will teach you how to learn. And I was like, I'm never getting a job.

Yeah. I was like, well, I was like, I guess I'm never working in my life. He said that and you said, oh, so I won't be working. I was like, I have to be a professional clown. Yeah. Got it. Got it. Because it's like, it's a rich kid behavior it's very like because all those like rich kids like they know that and if you are a rich kid out there like i love you i respect you

would do anything to be in with you yeah love you these rich kids it's yeah um they so they're there for fun and then like after after the degree, it's just connections. Yeah. So they don't, you know, you don't really actually have to learn skills or anything. You just have to learn how to learn. You have to learn how to learn to network. Yeah. You have to learn how to learn to call your friend's dad and say, I need a job.

Yes. That's what we're learning how to learn about. Here's my question for you. What was your experience of us at the Louvre? Because you started to mention that and I thought that was going to be pretty intriguing. Were you going to drag me? Well, no, I'm not going to drag you. The experience was, you know, if I were to stand in front of a painting for maybe like a minute,

you would maybe like a quarter of a a second it's kind of like we were like in this like one gallery and it was like all the like the da vinci's like like because like you know in the world there's like four you know um this was very special and uh you can't if i can just with my fingers it was kind of like if this is me and i'm and I'm just standing in front of it, if I can just go to Caleb. It was just kind of like. Well, let me tell you something. Yeah. About the Louvre.

Okay. Okay. It's fucking stressful in there. It was. There's all manner of white people who don't know how to behave. They're pushing me around. They're shoving me. Yeah.

And they're fucking. And I'm lucky if I get a scooch. They're pushing me around. They're shoving me. Yeah. And they're fucking, and I'm lucky if I get a scooch. They're pushing. Yeah. They're punching. They're all trying to get a fucking snapshot with their ugly ass kid in front of the picture. It's a horrible in there. The Louvre, the Louvre is not all it's cracked up to be. I went in there to be a cultured gay man who travels the world.

And what I was was bullied and harassed. Yeah. And I don't make the people of color invisible. It was people of all origins pushing you. 100%. Yeah. It was multicultural. You know I'll talk shit on people of color.

Every nation. But I will say, my experience was that the white people were particularly bad. Okay, that's true. The thin Nordic white people were particularly bad. If there's a group I hate, it's thin Nordic whites. Is it like, here's the thing. Well, no. They were misbehaving.

I'm not going to go there. I will not go there. Should I go there? Go there. Okay. Can we talk? Okay. Like the extremely wealthy, extremely wealthy people from like Dubai or something.

Cut. Cut. Cut. Cut. Cut. Cut. Cut. Cut. cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut. Cut. No, no, no, no. You're nervous to talk shit on the extremely wealthy? Well, like, you know, like I think I'm someone who tries to stay very like, if I'm going to like talk shit, I'm like, okay, like I do, there's like a formula.

There's like a formula of like punching up of like, you know, if like I never want to like kind formula of like punching up of like yeah you know if like i never want to like kind of bring someone down who like is down or something can i tell you i famously don't believe in that rubric for comedy okay punching down i don't i punching up and punching down is not a rubric i believe in have you already talked about this on the podcast i don't believe i have we talked about that on here i would love to hear more i would love to hear more i don't believe in punching up and punching down when people try to impose that on me as a comedian, I go, I don't like that. It certainly helped comics decide who they're going to talk about.

For me, there are people with no power who deserve to be brought down. I think there are powerless people who deserve to be brought down. For example? For example, if you are an anti-vaxxer. Anti-vaxxers don't have a ton of power. We're doing vaccines. They're required for school. They're required for a lot of different things. Anti-vaxxers don't have a ton of power. And like we're pretty we're doing vaccines. They're required for school. They're required for like a lot of different things.

So anti-vaxxers really societally are pretty powerless. Now, in the punching up, punching down rubric, that would mean that they shouldn't be brought down because they're powerless. But they're fucking morons and I think they deserve to be dragged to hell. Also, punching up is like there's not always something super poignant or helpful about. I think people think like, oh, if you're if you're ragging on like a rich and famous person then you're doing something righteous not necessarily yeah i mean i'm feeling swayed like i feel my body is rejecting it yeah yeah you're allergic to my entire system is rejecting it but i'm feeling swayed because like i'm thinking about like twitter yeah and how how there's comics who want to

get a slam dunk in. They don't really care about the group that they're protecting, but they want to make fun of the person who is punch up, like a JK Rowling or whatever. They don't care about trans people. They want to get a good joke in. Yeah. And I hate that shit i hate that or a lot because of punch up punch down what a lot of people have done is they've started to the weaponization of identity works in many ways

a lot of people are weaponizing their identity for good for bad and i use it every day i know you do and okay no i mean it's we all i think there's a degree of it that we all can participate in but specifically what you're talking about where comics will be for let's just say straight guy comics for example one of my favorite groups oh yeah they when they want to say something misogynistic that now people are kind of catching on now they'll say white women or karen or like yes yes and they think it's okay because they're punching up at this group who we've all understood we've started to understand white women do have a lot of privilege and power in this society yeah so they if they want to get something misogynistic off they couch

it and being a criticism of like white woman white women's privilege or misogynoir or whatever yeah and it's like well you're still just being misogynistic and you're couching it in using the word white 100 yeah and it's annoying and insane we need to protect white people i'm always i've always said that thank you you're trans thank god damn it nori i would love to be trans honestly it would mean the world to me i mean i it's i see it i mean if you're trans thank god damn it nori i would love to be trans honestly it would mean the world to me i mean i it's i see it i mean if you're doing well i think like as your current like you know if you were a pokemon like second stage like at your second stage i think you're doing amazing yeah but if we could just get to that third stage you have no idea yeah what could

happen for you i would love to be trans it would mean the world to me unfortunately I think one of the most embarrassing things about me I find it humiliating that I deeply identify as a cis man yeah

I feel very much like a man and it makes me sick what does can I ask you what does what does being a man feel like it's amazing oh my god i would never recommend it to you but for me it's been just

beautiful that because i literally when i think i you know what's funny i don't really think about being trans ever like i don't like think yeah about it or like like reflect on it i don't i don't really reflect um but i've never felt i don't know what it feels like because even when i was like because you're a woman yeah like before transitioning i never felt like but when i like earliest memories is not earliest but like the boys in my neighborhood would play baseball. And I would just watch. I would participate, but I would hate it. So I'd kind of just stand to the side.

And I would just watch them and be like, what's that? Like, what is that? Like, I just didn't understand. But I guess women can play baseball. So that's where it all gets really complicated, right? Is gender so complicated. But the way that you innately, you can't really place it, right? Like, even right there where you're saying, I didn't can play baseball. So that's where it all gets really complicated, right? Is gender so complicated? This is getting so good at the end there. But the way that you innately, you can't really place it, right?

Like, even right there where you're saying, I didn't relate to baseball, so I felt like I was a woman. Or if you're like, oh, I loved wearing dresses, I felt like a woman. Those things we know now because gender is so complicated. They don't necessarily mean that. But there's something innate in you that correctly knows you're a woman. But, like, the boys were, like, they were, like, high-fiving. Yeah. And they were, like, getting dirty and, like, boys were like they're like high-fiving yeah and they're like getting dirty and like really like like liking getting dirty and i was just so i was just like very like the high fives and i just like couldn't even high five well not wanting to high five yeah

you know i think um i think i kind of went a really far i think i took things really far because i just don't want to high five yeah yeah yeah you went you went to the you said i don't want to high five and you ran as far as you could and you landed you landed as a woman in san francisco wait a second i could have just not high five yeah i'm gonna talk to my therapist after this this is like one of those like uh those detransition videos from one of those psychopaths where they're like uh i just didn't want to wear jeans and I went too far. It's like, I don't know.

I think you're trans. No, literally. And those videos are so funny to me because like I know exactly what you're talking about. Because like they always blame like there's this like imaginary like nurse they make up who's like feeding them hormones. Yeah. Which it's like still very hard to get. No matter where you live, it's like not easy to like get. still very hard to get no matter where you live it's like not easy to like get but they're like this nurse like they could create this like nurse that like is like just like giving them hormones

yeah yeah like sneaking into their bedroom and injecting yes it's like that never happened babe like you really sought those out and also wouldn't you have killed as someone who was trying to transition wouldn't you have killed for it to be that easy right some nurse to just be like come here baby girl i got you baby girl it's me I'm wearing I'm wearing a full nurse outfit I'm like hey yes I work here shh take your estrogen yes it's like the joker in the batman when he like puts on the nurse outfit yeah yeah why so serious why why no estrogen you walk away from the hospital click button, and blow up the cis unit? Yeah.

I'd love to do that. To blow up a cis unit at a hospital? Okay. Yes. Cold open. Lead with that. Lead with that. I'm going to blow up the cis unit at the hospital.

I love every hospital having a cis unit. It's the funniest thing in my life. Just put the cis people in there. Put them in the cis unit. Put them in the cis unit. Yeah. The SIS unit they're serving

they're all high-fiving yeah your obsession with the high-five is a new thing I'm loving I'm really like reflecting on that

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no no no she's good folks wow she's good wow I don't know why I would Nori! She's good, folks. She's good. I don't know why I would choose to wear a gray shirt. I'm ultimately going to sweat through this on this episode. Oh, I'm sweating. I'm humiliating. Sweating. Oh, yeah, we're both fat.

We should talk about that. Oh, no, me. Just me. I'm fat. I mean, yeah, I guess I'm fat, Nori. What did you do? You spilled water all over me. Everywhere.

Completely all over yourself. This is me. I want to be real. I want to be real for this podcast. This is me now. I spill things on myself all the time. Hey, y'all. This is Chance, Caleb's heterosexual podcast producer. He's traveling in Europe right now and asked me to relay the following message, and these are his words.

What's up, F Slurs? I have a show in London on July 26th. Get your British arses down to the Leicester, because I guess that's how it's pronounced, Square Theatre on that date. Mobilize on these tickets immediately. Thank you, K-lebrities, K-lesbians, Kale Britons, and all cohorts of the So True universe. How do you feel about being fat? lesbians, kale Britons, and all cohorts of the so true universe. How do you feel about being fat? Ooh.

Oh, complicated. I mean, I've worked really hard to like love and accept myself like radically. So like at any, any version of me, I'm trying to love like no matter like who I am. Um,

would I love to be skinny? Would you? Huh? Would you love to be skinny? I don't think I believe in radical self-love, by the way. What? Yeah. Wait.

What are you talking about? I think it's bad. What do you mean? Well, a lot of people... Like loving yourself is bad? Yeah. I mean, radical self-loving yourself however you are, a lot of people need to change. Oh.

Not you. I think you're great. But don't you think... Yeah. Well, yeah, there's some people in my life who they could change. I think if everyone walks around going, I'm going to love myself exactly as who I am, I go, I don't know about it. Well, you know this about me.

I dropped out of therapy school. I was going to be a therapist. Yes. And so the way I feel about it is that that can lead to change. Like loving yourself as you are can help you change the things you want to change. That's interesting. It's kind of a paradox a little bit. Okay.

That's really interesting. So you're saying if someone's a narcissist, that learning to love themselves as a narcissist might help them be less narcissistic? Narcissists are its own thing. A special case, yeah. It's its own thing. Because like narcissists, like, it's crazy because like,

well, some therapists say that like, therapy cannot help narcissists. It only enables them. So like, I think, which I don't know if i believe that either i think anyone can i feel like anyone can change i want to believe you think anyone can do good in therapy even narcissists i think a narcissist could like well then they'd want to they'd want to like have to change yeah and i don't see that yeah i don't know i don't think yeah i'm not sure about therapy i definitely see i definitely see

some of my friends needing it but i but not you well for me i've been to therapy a couple times and the overwhelming feeling for me well okay multiple a few okay okay every time i went to therapy my feeling was like who are you and what are you talking about like they would say things or they'd say things so obvious. Have you ever been to, with a gay man? Therapist? Oh,

sorry. Oh, therapy. Have you ever lay with a man? Have you ever laid with a man? No. No. Okay. Why don't respect gay men?

So it'd be tough to hear from them. I see that. I see that. Maybe if I had like a trans woman therapist. Really? Wow. Okay. I know one. Do you? But she was bad. Oh. hear from them i see that i see that maybe if i had like a trans woman therapist really wow okay i know one do you but she was bad oh she was so bad she was eating she ate cereal what if she on zoom she was eating cereal and she also was one of those like cat ear trans girls no and swear to god no and when she i was talking to her about like some sort of trauma or something i can't

remember which one but like some trauma was talking to her about some sort of trauma or something. I can't remember which one. But some trauma I was talking about. And she was like, imagine you're a video game character. And I was like, no. I was like, shut it down. Shut it down. X out, X out. Yeah, I was like, ah.

Leave meeting, leave meeting. Right? It was just giving too much like, you know, cat girl. I was like, no. You know under the screen she's got a tail on. Oh, she's got an in. Like, in. If you know under the under the screen she's got a tail on oh she's got an in like in yeah if you know what i mean but will you tell will you tell the story for the listeners about the therapist you had to break up with because of the crunch god i what it's what about me and like therapist eating but like i had a different therapist this was this woman

and she not did not like her very much she she wasn't that great but she kept like we never really like connected so i wasn't being very vulnerable in therapy and she was like you have to be vulnerable one day she was like you have to be vulnerable nori like nori like be vulnerable and like it was essentially like bullying yeah and like and like i took the bait and i was like okay like maybe she's right. I need to be vulnerable. And so I shared with her a very intimate detail of my life. Very intimate. And the fact that I've been.

And the moment, the exact moment I shared that she bit into a cookie. And it was a Milano okay and it made such a loud sound because I think it was stale and so the crunch that it made when I said that I was it was life changing

and you fired her pretty soon right that was it after that session I texted her and was, I can't do this anymore. I didn't say why. I didn't say the cookie or anything. I said something about my schedule. I was like, my schedule's crazy or like something. I know.

And she could never, I don't know if I've ever told you that she couldn't figure out Zoom. So if like, say if we're, if you're me and I'm her, this is her. So if like, say if we're, if you're me and I'm her, this is her. She's looking like three kind of, kind of like 13 inches to the left. And I'm like, Hey, I'm like, hi, like I'm here. And she's like, what? And like, just like looking off crazy. That is absolutely crazy.

Absolutely insane. Yeah. But you should go to therapy. You're really endorsing therapy right now. Well, what do now well what do you what you what you don't like that this person so you never connected with someone yeah the couple times i've been to therapy i've just felt like i can probably handle this on my own and i have i'm like doing okay yeah yeah i mean maybe there's maybe there's room for enrichment i guess but i'm like things are pretty good what about like life coach life coach my mom sees a life coach and i i have found that person to be a hack but i also have found my mom to be open to some things that i've been saying to her

for years that's the other problem is i go these people just come in and say what I've already been saying to me or to anyone else. They come in and they go, have you thought about prioritizing yourself? And then I go, no fucking way. Are you kidding? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. That's the easiest route, duh. So they just say the simple thing.

I did, listen, everything you say I believe. Because I had one therapist who like, anything I would tell him, he'd be like, have you gone for a walk? It was always about the walk. That's another thing. Always. Friends too. With your friends, when you tell them about your mental health and they go, make your bed. Make your bed.

And I go, you aren't dealing with the shit I'm dealing with. Literally. If making your bed is making a dent, you are not in the bracket that I'm in.'m in we're on different kind of things of it yeah i don't want to go for a walk i don't want to make my bed you know like those like little simple things sometimes don't fix do you know the reality you're not gonna like this what to me it's very specific to make your bed but i'll tell you going on a walk and drinking water does fix me it really does and so i rag on this but at the same time i know if i go on that walk for me yeah it is gonna make a difference and i hate that i believe i was just in japan for two weeks

which i talk about all i do is talk about japan oh totally kind of obsessed yeah i feel like those like white boys that yeah go there when a white guy who loves japan is such an archetype it's yeah i love a white guy who loves japan i love to i would love to study them like jane goodall with the apes yeah and that's kind of what i'm giving these days because i'm just like obsessed and but like i was walking at least six miles a day or more just like eating fish like just like there was like this gorgeous like humid weather i was so happy and beautiful and i think a big part of it was the walking because it's just like it weather. I was so happy and beautiful. And I think a big part of it was the walking. Cause it's just like,

it just helps you. Yeah. Just like get out. My problem with walking is that it's boring walking around my neighborhood. I go, this is boring. I've seen that fucking building. I know that fucking guy.

Yeah. I love to walk when I'm in Europe. I'll walk for 16 hours a day. I don't care. That's what it is. You have to go, you have to fly on a plane. Yeah.

To walk. And then walking is good. Or I'll walk around the city when I'm on tour and I'm in a city I've never been in before. I'll walk around the city that I've never been. But my neighborhood, I'm like, ugh, I have to work so hard to get it up for that walk. I mean, for... This walk is not making me hard right now.

I'm saying, if I want to get horny for that walk, I have to really, like, really try for it. Yeah, no. But to me, that's what inherently is wrong with L.A., though. I mean, L.A la is so anti-walk because it's just the worst place to walk why how what do you mean i think like there's no like i think in new york like if you're walking around you're seeing things you're seeing people things are interesting if i walk around highland park like what am i saying a mullet yeah i want to move to

tokyo i think you should that's where i want to go i legitimate when you when you lease up in la it's it's been a month a month oh yeah i think leave next month i'm serious that's how i feel no i'm dead i'm 100 serious yeah i know you've got the savings to do it for a little while i'm trans rich get over there yeah i'm serious yeah i i loved it like it just it it i don't know i can't expect it was incredible i am not kidding i think you should go i think you should put your stuff in storage or or have someone sublish your apartment i think you should get a one-way ticket to tokyo i think maybe a month two months three months if it's still going well i think you just stay i think you go over there and i think you make a little itinerary for yourself of what you're trying to experience while you're there makes

maybe some books that you want to read i think you go have that experience you'll only be a better person for it you'll be a better stand-up you'll be a better writer you're already great at those things you'll be even better you'll be more realized you'll have more fun and you'll come back and if you choose to come back you'll be like oh i'm so grateful i did that i think go what's stopping you wow this is i love this podcast it's like i feel like you're like you're like really fixing my life. Go. I, the last time I was there, I just said I was there for two weeks. I performed at a comedy club. They have this like really funny comedy club there.

And there's like one Japanese guy in the audience. Everyone was kind of talking to. It's mostly like foreigners who like go to this, but there's like one Japanese guy. All these major cities overseas have like one comedy club that's like laughs from Montana. The Americans do stand up. Yes. Yeah comedy club that's like laughs from Montana. The Americans do stand up. Yes. Yeah. And it's like that. Yeah.

And it's like the weirdest people we've ever met because they like moved to Japan. Yeah. You know. Yeah. And there was this one Japanese guy and I was like just having fun with him because I was like, are there trans people here? And he was like, yes, yes, yes. And I was like, do you like trans people?

And he was like, I yes and i was like do you like trans people and he was like i'm gay yeah okay not a given not a given it was just so it was like so cute like he was like oh i'm gay yeah and i was like okay like but do you like trans people and he was like oh of course i'm gay what's this accent that you're giving is this bad bad? No, I'm curious. Is it supposed to be? What accent are you going for? I'm gay. Okay. That's kind of exactly what he sounded like. So you're doing like.

I'm kind of spot on here. You're doing like ESL Tokyo. No, this is what he sounded like. Right. I'm not even doing it. It's like, I'm gay. And so what? I'm gay.

I'm gay. And what accent is that? Kind of like gay guy in Tokyo. That's kind of the accent. Was he from Tokyo? Yes. Yeah. Oh, I thought this was someone who had moved there.

No, I'm telling this story so bad. And I thought you were doing an offensive impression of him doing an offensive accent. No, no. The audience was all foreigners except this one guy who is Japanese. Okay, now I'm locked in. Who lives in Tokyo. Now I'm locked in. I'm telling the story so bad.

No, you're doing great. I'm so sorry. And literally, I wanted to know about the trans experience in Japan, so I was grilling him. And I just thought it was so funny. I was like, do people like trans people here? And he was like, I'm gay. That was his response. Yeah.

How is it being trans in Japan? Did you learn anything about that? He said that trans people are kind of like celebrities there and they're kind of like clowns. Okay. And I was like, I was kind of like, oh. Hello. Like, give me two months.

I'm going to have like a makeup campaign. You're a famous clown in Japan. Yeah. Like, I'm a gay. And I'm kind of just like you know and it's like you know it's like like you know like that yeah like a big photo shoot you're on both words and it's just i'm gay it says i'm gay yeah that's the line yeah yeah of course that's your big famous clown line yeah i'm dead what do you well this brings me to a great

question that i ask people on this show a lot what What do you want, Nori? What do I want? Yeah. What do you want? Here's the truth about you. Oh, my God. Here's the truth about you. You grew up in Kentucky. Yeah.

You went to Kenyon College. You studied art. Yeah. Then you moved to San Francisco. You studied therapy for a little bit. Yeah. You were in the art scene there. You were doing stand-up.

You moved up to L.A. to do stand-up. You're a very successful TV writer. You've written on multiple TV shows. Emmy nominated, if you could. Emmy nominated, if you could, if you don't mind. you're a very successful stand-up people love you yeah everything's going well yeah what do you want oh there's a lot that i want like a lot we've got time i feel like i've focused so much on career and like i i want to like there's so many things in my like actual life that need attention like dating speak on it sister oh it's like rough like dating i hate dating i think it's like really

hard yeah i mean especially you know obviously like you know trans women it's like it's difficult trans you could trans men pull some hot guys though no of course i mean and listen in my day i i was in services go honey i was you were pulling those tech bros pulling there was a hey there was a there was a micro fleece zip up vest on your floor every night, I bet. And they love the girls. I know they love the girls. Those nerd fucking nerds. If he knows how to code, he loves it all. Oh, you get it.

Absolutely. I know. It's like coding by day. Something at night. Chasing by night. Chasing by night. Yeah. See see you got it better than i do um but what do you want so you dating is hard but what do you want what are you looking for i mean i like i i i would love like someone who's like kind and um that's a thing you know what's so funny one of my friends is a very like famous trans

person like like like very celebrated she hasn't gone on a date for two years a lot of trans women that i hot yeah a lot of gorgeous successful trans women are telling me this she's successful and she's not dating and we both both of us have medical trauma like from transitioning totally like it's it's something that's real and it's something that we don't talk about because we don't want to give ammunition to people who are anti-trans to talk about um people not having access to like surgeries and medication and things that like are trans affirming so like it's something that's not really discussed because we don't want to, like, give that fuel. Yeah.

But, yeah, like, transitioning is hard, and I think it does give a lot of traumas. And not because being trans is inherently traumatic because of the world we live in, which is so violent towards trans people. It just, it does something to you mentally like i feel like i know a lot of trans people who are so incredible who have a hard time dating because it is so hard and people are so like did you there was a survey recently that was like the vast majority of people would not date a trans person did you see that it was like really and it was just like stuff like that where it's like it's in your head where you're just like oh like it's really hard or whatever so it is i think the proof that we have that transitioning itself is not this traumatic

horrible uh crazy thing we have proof that transitioning itself to act is like actually a very euphoric and beautiful experience and the reason we know that is because in communities like i have friends that have done their entire transition within the loving embrace of like the la queer community or the brooklyn queer community and in those worlds where you only know other queer people and you're fully supported in your transition i have friends who had their transition paid for in new york by different like groups that they were a part of when your transition is safe and affordable and you're accepted it's only ever been a beautiful euphoric thing for my friends who have done that so that's how we know that the world this the societal like impositions on to trans people is actually the issue because in like focus groups where it is just loved and supported

it's not hard or horrible yeah like i 100 agree and i feel like something that just is not talked about is like every day those headlines those like anti-trans headlines those laws that are being passed when i as a trans person am just getting this feed of anti-trans hate it does something to you mentally yeah it's it is a slow and constant demoralization and kind of like trauma like like 100 and i don't think that's really discussed like it's we're always talking about like a specific act of violence or like if someone's attacked in the street or something that's like very explicit yeah but people we we're not talking about just the constant unending headlines it's just like over and over and over again and if

you're chronically online which i am then it's just like it's too and over again and if you're chronically online which i am then it's just like it's too much which i need to get i need to get off online i need to like stop totally online so much everybody does it's hard yeah yeah it's an acid drip it just it just drips and drips and drips and corrodes over time and i also think one thing i would say to straight people who are queer allies even if you know it personally in your private life that you love queer people and you love gay people and you love trans people gotta start saying it more because it is things are getting real fascistic real quick and i think it's the same problem i have with people that won't come out of the closet is i'm like you are playing it safe because you get to those of us who are out

publicly those of us who are talking about it it is getting unsafe for us again yeah and it always will i mean that's just it's i mean i hope not always but it always has like queer people are always the first group that everyone goes you guys are the problem it makes no sense we bother nobody we're fabulous all we do is make incredible art and have fun but i think allies need to like speak up more because people have gotten into a comfort especially in new york and la a comfort of just being like well of course i have gay people nobody cares and it's like people do care I think the issue is that like allies or whatever that means or whoever they are they're like exhausted I feel like they're the world right now is so fucked up in like so many

ways that like queer people trans people get pushed down like so far in that process where it's like maybe like four years ago when like the economy was better like whatever whatever like there wasn't like wars happening all over the country you know whatever like people had the capacity and space to like fight for trans people and that really sucks as a trans person to feel so immediately discarded it's like the moment things get tough in the world it's like it's like well let's you know focus on something else yeah which like god i i feel like i'm misspeaking here because everything is intersectional and like it's all connected like oppression everywhere is connected like every fight is connected i guess

what i'm trying to express is just like to feel so disposable yeah it's like a really shitty feeling i guess like in budgeting the first things to go when the budget gets tight are luxury items. Our industry, that's what's happening with our industry. The moment there's a budget cut or anything, they're going to be cutting the queer shows, the POC shows. They don't have any to cut.

They don't have any to cut. They don't make any queer shit. I think people would be shocked to know they think that being queer in Hollywood is this big glamorous thing. They don't want us in stuff. Yeah. They don't.

Their queer characters are so, they are not interested. They don't like queer stories. They actively shoot down queer storylines in writers' rooms. They actively don't buy queer pitches. If they do buy the queer pitches, it's the young execs who do it, and the older execs shoot it down before it gets made. There is not a lot of support for queer people in Hollywood. It is actively actively still very tough to be out and that's why there's so many fucking closet cases in this town so many of your favorite straight heartthrob actors are gay they are gay and they're not saying it because they want to continue to work and it's not just something we

say to be scandalous i'm telling you i know so many closeted people in hollywood because they want to continue to work. And they know what we know from experience, which is that if you're out as trans or gay, it will affect your roles. Yeah. It will affect your work, period. Because you start to be seen as like a fringe, like a niche element. Yeah. I mean, I can't wait for like, like what if like an actress like that we know and love is like, I'm actually, I'm trans.

Ooh. Who would it be and why? What you're saying, an actress coming out as a trans man? As a trans woman. Okay, got you. She was stealth. She was stealth. Amy Adams.

Oh, I see what you're saying. You're saying she's already transitioned and we just weren't, we didn't know. Yeah. I would love for Amy Adams to be trans. I think it's're saying. You're saying she's already transitioned and we just weren't, we didn't know. Yeah. I would love for Amy Adams to be trans. I think it's Amy Adams. I wish. I think she's a trans woman.

Yeah. Yeah. I love the light in your eyes when you go on a trans campaign for somebody. Yeah. When you try to convince them when they're trans, you just light up in a way I've never seen you before. It just gives me a lot of joy. Yeah. way i've never seen you before it's just gives me a lot of joy yeah and i just feel like you know because her new movie is uh what's called bitch bitch dog does she have a movie called bitch dog yeah she's coming out with a new movie i think it's called a bitch dog i'm pretty sure i love

that i didn't know they're like bitch girl night bitch thank you so much bitch dog bitch dog not bitch dog music i think she's coming out with a new movie it's called i'm extremely trans the amy adams story yeah but she like in this movie she like she thinks she's like turning into a dog oh so you know and that made you think that maybe she's trans allegory allegory allegory come on allegorical queen the matrix was a trans story i don't i know it you know i really is a dear friend yeah wait i want to for what i want it is a partner and i just want to you know i want to just be empowered in it so can i just have a second please hi um you should date me i'm really smart and funny and kind And really looking for someone special

So if it's you, just like reach out Y'all should date my friend Yeah Date her Thank you Date her Yeah, reach out She's genius, she's hot

Reach out She's rich Yeah She's fun Yeah She's successful She's connected She has everything you could want

I'm good at sex She's good at sex Yeah She's a perfect partner She couldn you could want. I'm good at sex. She's good at sex. Yeah. She's a perfect partner. She couldn't be better. I do have lockjaw. So, like, oral sex is, like, you know, oral sex is kind of hard for me. But any of the other stuff I can do.

Dater, y'all. Sex can be so many things her jaw is locked up she's got tetanus she's got she stepped on a rusty nail there was one guy who was hooking up with and i was i was giving him head or whatever is this this kind of podcast for sure sure. Okay. Unfortunately, yeah. And my jaw started clicking. It was so loud, like a loud clicking when you have lockjaw. And he was like, what is that? And I was like, oh. I was like, sorry. My jaw just hurts.

And he got harder. Yeah. I literally knew that's what was going to happen. And I started, the more I was like, ow. He was like so turned on so i was literally just like oh oh and he was like he loved it it's always interesting in your big yeah literally it's always interesting in sex figuring out the thing that will make someone harder right like someone's kind of hard and you're trying to get it going for them yeah and then

yeah you make a noise or you do a you and you go, oh, that's your thing. And the reveal is always, sometimes it's like frightening. Yeah. Like, I'm like, he wants me to hurt? Yeah. For sure. He was hot. Sex is scary.

Hot guys can get away with a lot. I think of my job in the bedroom as kind of like a mechanic. Oh. Like, I just run through a checklist of diagnosing. I'll stick a finger in the butthole or I'll, you know. Oh, like an oil change. Yeah, I'll make a certain noise and I'll go, that didn't fix it. That didn't turn the light on.

That didn't turn the light on. Check the brakes. Check the brakes. Yeah. Maybe I'll do a little slap or something. A little nipple. Do a little nipple. That works on a lot of gay guys.

Yeah, gay guys like nipple stuff. Gay guys love nipples. They do. They really do. Is it like, never mind. I have to redirect. I will say when a guy gets too interested in the nipples, I go, oop, boop, it like, never mind. I have to redirect. I will say when a guy gets too interested in the nipples, I go, oop, boop, boop, boop. Yeah, yeah.

Let's just keep it moving. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's always something interesting during sex, too, when you're having sex with someone new and they start doing something. They're doing something way too much. And you're going, oh, you want me to do that to you. Just stop. Yes. You can actually stop with the nipple stuff.

I'll just focus on your nipples. No worries worries that's so true like they're communicating what they want that's so true i've never thought oh oh oh i love when it happens uh no it is they're communicating i think maybe even sometimes because they're trying to please you they're trying to pleasure you and so sometimes subconsciously they'll be like really going out the ear and you'll be like oh you want me to do something to your ear okay okay i have a lot of weird sex ear stuff is not weird i think it's fine no the air stuff is normal yeah bite on the ear why not i say have a good time this isn't weird or anything but i hooked up with this one guy and i'm a i'm a big girl like i'm okay with it i thank you thank you um and he was this like little little guy and he was just flipping and he looked like

jeremy um like from the from the bear yeah he was flipping he was flipping me and toss and it was just this little this buff little guy and he was just flipping and tossing yeah like i was like a pizza i was gonna say like a pizza maker mama mia like a calzone yeah it was crazy yeah yeah i love that i know i love i do i don't know if this is cliche or dumb but i do love a short king i i do yeah i do they've had an incredible pr campaign the last couple years yeah oh my god and now that like their representation that like weird looking irish guy yeah barry keegan. Yes. He's like the new face of it. Yeah. It's Jaboukie. Jaboukie. Jaboukie really

short king. Oh my god, he opened those doors. He opened those doors. And it makes sense that he was the guy to bring short guys into the next century. He's gorgeous. He's very funny. Jaboukie's a great representation for the short community. What's he even up to? Jaboukie? Yeah. I believe at this current moment he's filming filming a movie i don't know if i should say where but i think

he's filming a movie right now yeah um jabuki's doing great he was in um i say i say this like we're very good friends i i know jabuki i love jabuki but i we're not like super close friends he um would love to be jabuki if you're listening um no he was in he was so great in um um come on come on the latest mike mills movie oh i need to see it did you see that no joaquin phoenix black and white oh i love mike mills mike mills if you're listening i love mike mills beginners 20th century women come on come on i get you know i get i'm sure you do too i get invited to all those premieres yeah your manager always sending an email like they'd love for you to come i get invited to all those things and i never go because they're not my thing the i think i've gone to three one two were friends and one the only non-friend premiere i've gone to that isn't a project i

was involved in is mike mills come on come on yeah i just i love mike mills i'm going to tokyo i do like tomorrow nori i really want you to move to Tokyo. I'm dead ass serious. Yeah, I'm getting out of this town. I think you should move to Tokyo. Yeah, I'm moving. I love LA. But I would love to see you in Tokyo for a little bit. Something I didn't anticipate is that just being surrounded by Asian people, I felt so safe. Are you Asian?

Kidding. My dad is white and I can't do anything about that yeah there's nothing I can do sorry I'm gonna fucking cry because I can't do anything about that I hate that you had to go through that thank you as somebody of white experience

I know how bad it can be. Thank you. But my mom is full on Asian. Like full. Thank you. That's beautiful. When my dad died, I cheered because I said, that's one less white man. That's how progressive I am.

Oh, my God. Yeah. Like, talk about ally. I said, get him out of here. Get him out of here. I said, take him away Satan and that's kind of how it works right it's like if one white person dies and you say that like a person of color comes into the world yeah a diverse story gets elevated it's kind of like

a spiritual yeah experience I'm hoping yeah my white dad is died too yeah so how did that feel for you i'm cis i think you should go to tokyo i think it would be really really beautiful yeah i really really do yeah i have a segment for you yeah i want to do something with you uh this is a true false segment okay now what i'm going to do here is i'm going to read you 15 statements okay they have an objective true or. Now, what I'm going to do here is I'm going to read you 15 statements. Okay.

They have an objective true or false answer. Okay. And you're going to tell me as quickly as you can after each one, as quickly as you can, if you think they're true or false. And if you get 10 or more correct, we're going to give you 50 US dollars. Oh, my God. Okay. Okay.

This is Tokyo money, baby. Okay. Okay. All right. The University of Kentucky's mascot is the wildcat. True. True. AB negative is the rarest blood type.

False. True. We have never found dinosaur fossils in Antarctica. False. False. We have. Women first competed in the Olympics in 1964. True.

False. 1900. William Henry Harrison was only president for 31 days. True. True. Kirsten Dunst was in the National Guard. True. False.

Kenyon College was established in 1824. True. True. It takes sunlight 8 minutes and 20 seconds to travel from the sun in 1824. True. True. It takes sunlight 8 minutes and 20 seconds to travel from the sun to the earth. True. True. Kiki Palmer was born in Russia.

False. False. Illinois. I Love Lucy never won an Emmy. True. False. They won five. Nintendo was founded in 1889.

False. True. Lady Gaga owns a $50,000 ghost radar. True. True. Carmel never exp radar. True. True. Carmel never expires. True. False.

It is not against the law to escape from prison in Austria. False. True. Owls are mammals. False. False. They're birds. How'd she do?

Eight. Oh. So how many did I have to get? You needed to get 10 or more. Well, okay. Yeah. that was like hard yeah that was not easy yeah i hate that we had to do it too it really hurt you know and it's a rough time in the industry right now so i could have really but i really could have used that 50 you're going to tokyo yeah and the yen is pretty bad right now and that's's $50 in Japan right now. It's like $500. Is it?

No, it'd be, but it's, it's, it would be like a hundred. Really? For real. Yeah.

Damn. I don't understand how currency exchange works, to be honest with you. Yeah. I mean the U S like fucks over like everyone. And that's why that happens. You were almost a therapist, which we talked about briefly.

And we have, um, if you want to throw your headphones on, we have voicemails from listeners where they ask for advice. And i think you would be a perfect person to give our listeners some advice absolutely put this on and see what we got here so we asked them what's something you want to know the truth about okay hi caleb um before i ask the question i just wanted to say um unironically i think you are incredibly kind and just a very genuine person. And I just really appreciate you and your podcast and how much joy it brings to me.

Okay. Anyway, um, something I want to know the truth about is, am I gay? I know you say your listeners are quote homosexual and mentally ill. And although I am deeply mentally ill, I don't know if I'm gay or not but for debate let me know bye have you ever heard a sweeter energy on a person by the way what i mean and that you know that that does give me my first clue yeah um if i can be honest uh someone that's sweet not gay whoa yeah well what oh i just thought you were gonna go i thought you were gonna go gay because it's one of your biggest things i don't think gay people are like sweet there are some sweet gay people i'm sweet oh well right yeah oh yeah you don't think i'm sweet? No, you are sweet. But I think there's a complexity to that sweetness that is multi-layered and complex.

This person is sweet in a way that feels to me a one layer of straight. Yeah. Okay. I think I agree with you, ultimately. I do not think that you're gay, caller. i think the reason i don't think you're gay there isn't there's a misconception going around about gay these days oh there's a misconception going around about gay these days i want to i want to clear something up for a lot of people gay is a sexuality it's not a it's not a vibe it's not an outfit it's not a neighborhood it's not it's not a vibe. It's not an outfit. It's not a neighborhood.

It's not a taste in music. It affects all of those things, but gay is a sexuality. And this does kind of apply to non-binary as well. I think opposite. Non-binary is exclusively a vibe. Non-binary is a feeling. Non-binary is a neighborhood, an outfit, and a taste in music. I think gay is a feeling non-binary is a neighborhood an outfit and a taste in music i think gay is sexuality baby if you eat you're gay do you watch sex in the city of course there's that a gorgeous episode where

charlotte goes to that gay party she's like honey if you're not eating you're not gay yeah and i loved her i loved her i got my feelings really hurt by myself last night what why i was watching sex in the city with my friend and i decided to post on my instagram story and say what sex in the city girl do you guys think i am to my followers oh can i can i try before you can i try i'm like really honestly scared to let you try because it didn't go well on there. Yeah, you can try, but I'm just going to be upset if you say there's two names I don't want to hear. Well, for me, you are complex. I'm getting some taste of everything, but I'm going to say Charlotte.

What? What? You believe in love. You love love.'re very like love driven i'm gonna fucking throw up you like you really you have an ideal about like love and people and i'm not charlotte like what did they say people said all kinds of fucking things on there oh i put up originally it was a poll i'm gonna fucking cry dude You don't want to be Carrie Yes I do No who wants to be Carrie

I want to be Carrie She's like a fucking sociopath She's the fucking lead She's not good to her friends She's terrible to her friends She thinks she's funny She thinks she's like punny and smart Check

I put up a poll that said do you who do you guys think i am carrie samantha miranda charlotte what happened what happened was so dastardly samantha out of the gates hundreds of votes i have a lot of followers hundreds of votes that's wrong that's wrong carrie in second place which i should have been a carry i'm fucking clearly a carry then a close friend votes miranda that uptight bitch i hate miranda no she fucking she was so mean to steve i know that ass she was so gorgeous ass she was so mean to steve when he was so nice to her and fun and then she couldn't handle that he was like poor i mean i guess he couldn't handle it ultimately because of this tuxedo for the party. Miranda.

Miranda. Miranda. Miranda. I loved him. So a close friend says that I'm Miranda. Why don't you just stab me in the fucking chest? That's crazy. Then people start saying I'm Charlotte, like I'm some kind of idiot virgin.

Oh. Well, I mean, it's not nice to be called Charlotte. Like I wear a cardigan and like fear the lord i don't like that i think but i think you're romantic i well okay i'm romantic but i'm more of a slut and i'm more of a main character people said oh i think you're smithy because you've identified publicly as a whore i've also identified publicly as a writer make me carry and then and then and then so i started getting insecure and so then i'm like i'm gonna get to the bottom of this so then i posted another slide that said why do you guys

devote the way that you did and then i gave where you can write things in and then people are writing in just some of the most biggest drags i've ever seen in my life people are writing in oh you're fucking boring but it's like in a cute way so you're charlotte oh you're you're a business lesbian so you're miranda so that's all hurtful no one's saying you're a charming number one on the call sheet like carrie and so no one was telling you that they didn't vote carrie as a compliment people were saying that but i'm not buying it like people were definitely saying carrie's a bitch carrie's selfish carrie's a carrie's a sociopath she doesn't she's not a good friend samantha's the best friend

samantha sleeps around or whatever and it's like yeah but the damage has been done and then so then i deleted all of it i deleted the poll i couldn't take any more of that and then i deleted what people were saying into me but the the close friend who voted miranda i'm gonna be reevaluating my circle i'm gonna be looking at my circle a lot Wait a second Stanley Stanford? Yeah Well he's a loser He's gay

Right But yeah it just all It just all was too much for me And it just hurt, dude. It just really fucking hurt. Stanley. What girl's character do you think you are? Oh, Hannah.

Yeah. Mental ill. Yeah. Funny. Yeah. Smart, but deeply mentally ill. Yeah. Like broken.

Yeah. Layered. Like thinks that I'm self-aware but like no yeah not really oh yeah yeah fat no worries yeah yeah no worries looking it's so funny like looking back on her body i mean sorry lena dumb's a real person i'm not i don't want to be weird and whatever but it's crazy to me that like when girls was like on tv like you know i'm saying like yeah in the girls era when we were like oh my god she's like she's so fat that's crazy like she's a behemoth hog and she's leading a show she was like a normal size girl like like like like mayor

like basically thin and she was literally beautiful and gorgeous still beautiful but she yes she's a beautiful young woman who wrote a very smart show about her life and people are like blows my mind it's powerful because she's disgusting and ugly like when she takes her clothes off they're like nothing has happened that has ever happened like this is the biggest thing that's ever happened she's got like a beautiful naked it's like what is happening yeah she looked great i yeah i've never i've never understood that yeah yeah i'm obviously hannah as well i have a lot of marnies in my life that think they're shoshannas oh yeah and what's even i think the most the most crazy thing to experience in the wild is the disconnect a marnie who thinks she's a shoshanna you can kind of get along with a shoshanna who thinks she's a jessa baby get help yeah what are you talking about yeah a shoshana who thinks she's a jessa

is like you don't have jessa there's not an ounce of jessa in you baby oh and you if i can just try to translate what you're saying it's kind of like a boring person who thinks that they're interesting yeah like a boring virgin loser yeah who thinks that they're like the edgy, tell it like it is, traveler. That's not you, honey. It's what Chris Fleming describes as vibe dysphoria. I love vibe dysphoria. It's a great bit. And I feel like Marnie's, the first sign of a Marnie is

she will never think of herself as a Marnie. That is clear. A Marnie will never say, I'm a Marnie. That doesn't happen. No, they're not capable'm a marnie that doesn't happen they can't no they're not they can't do that they can't go there yeah all they can do is start a folk duo yeah that's all they're capable of has there been a good show since girls uh yeah okay yeah i don't know yeah i bet there has i don't know yeah i'm not sure i'm writing a couple of them yeah but i'm writing the good show and i'm waiting and i'm very excited for them but until

they come out i don't think there's been we wait and we wait any nori reed what's so true to you um god i thought about this i mean good you're already a step ahead of most of our guests like when your producer reached out and was like yeah like some examples are like these chicken wings are better than these chicken wings and i'm like my brain can't think that like easy like i'm i have no chill like i can't even i wish i was normal enough to like think that way like yeah my ideas are like weird and crazy yeah if i can just preface with that yeah you're like you're like you're like the blue period in this painter's oeuvre yeah you can only go there yeah or even like darker or like i can't even like be that chill you're like you're like what's so true to me is this it is goaded

that was one of one of my ideas was like yeah like maybe it isn't that bad well i actually well yeah okay um so anyways um yeah but i think for me what's so true is that um i think right now the far right is carrying the camp torch yeah that is what's so true to me right yeah what do you mean by that well on twitter yesterday there was this like video that this like politician released this woman, far right, and she was running in this bullet-pervest, and she's like, direct to camera, she's like, don't be weak and gay. Hear her out.

By the way, I saw that video. She's running for Missouri Secretary of State. Oh. I believe, or treasurer, treasury or something. She's in Missouri. She's running for office in Missouri. I don't even want to say her name because I don't want to even promote her in her in any way yeah some of the stupidest people

in the world run for office in missouri yes yeah just fucking morons like it the number of times over the last 10 15 years that a national headline about the dumbest right-wing person you've ever heard of has been someone from missouri is completelyating. So when will you be running? Probably someday. I see it. Yeah, I imagine I'll run for office someday. I don't know what else I'll do with my, I don't want to. I don't think I should.

I don't think someone who loves attention as much as me should be a public servant. But I do think, I think there's going to come a point where I don't know what else to do with my dismay about the world. I hope that you have the same track as George Santos. Just the exact same kind of direction. I see it.

Yeah, okay. I think if I were ever going to run for office, I genuinely jokes aside, I obviously never will but I think if I ever were, I would run on I would run on an extremely aggressive like working class message i just i wouldn't even fuck with i'm not going to get into debates about any of the social issues

i'm not going to get into debates about abortion or trans rights everyone just you know where i stand on that i'm really like it would be about it would be about rent control and it would be about higher wages and but it just i would be it money just money jobs money rent control how people can pay their bills that's all yeah i feel i feel like the best like intersectional kind of like movements are always about working class yeah it's the poor people's movement because that that is what connects like all the marginalized folks and it's what's happening in the tenant union in kansas city there are trump supporters in the tenant union and they are they are actively they are actively

the the tenants union in kansas city goes into trailer parks and other areas that have, you know, Trump flags or areas that might be hostile. And not always, but they go into places where people disagree with them. And they say, all we want to talk to you about is your rent and these developers that want to buy up your land and push you out. And, I mean, there was literally a trailer park in Kansas City area that they they wanted to the county wanted to steal the land and turn it into a jail. And so you go and organize those people and you and then by the act of them getting organized for their own benefit and not trying to win them over on critical race theory or trans rights or universal health care, just by talking to them about their home and their rent and their ability to pay the bills, they end up hanging out around other poor black folks and trans people and college students who are talking about and so it ends up being this thing where it's like we're not going to win on every single issue with every single person but i do think the great equalizer is economics absolutely and those

those types of spaces where people actually get to interact yeah that's what actually creates the change of people's like when the people see each other as human beings yeah it's like that's what um creates that kind of change and also you think about who actually took up for you it's it's what have you done for me lately yeah like who how many politicians do you know that have actually come to your door and said i want to help you you keep your low-income housing affordable. They don't do that shit. Yeah. But the tenant union does. And I think, yeah, we need politicians who are actually focused

on making people's lives materially better. Because everyone's gotten into these big, heady conversations about what they're passionate about, which I understand. I have those conversations too. But I'm like, what we need from our politicians at this point in late-stage capitalism, this nightmare that we're kind of living in is material improvement for people's actual lives i could not agree more and it's like the like elite class or like whatever you want to call it like they thrive on this idea of like culture war yeah of like you know like oh like lgbt like whatever

is over here and then you have and then whenever people actually interact with each other and see that there's, like, not, like, much difference or whatever, then, like, that's what can lead to, like, actual, like, change of, like, conditions and, like, quality of life. And it's, like, that is the antidote of, like, what's happening with this culture. Yeah. War or whatever they call it. There's these petri dish issues that are are just rife for

everyone to be distracted critical race theory drag queens story hours at the school these things that it's like the people who support them you can get them just as angry as the people who don't support them then all of a sudden everyone's talking about that and no one's talking about the fact that black rock is buying up every single family house in every single city exactly and turning them into investment properties where they're going to hike the rent up progressively to pay back their investment 200 fold so you if you can get people good and upset about trans women in sports or or critical race theory and history class or whatever the fuck these things that like i have a very clear opinion on if you can just get us all talking about that good or bad no one's going to talk

about the fact that they're stealing our wages. They're not giving us health care. Our bridges are crumbling. Our schools are failing. Our hospitals in rural areas are closing. It's silly. I think that they're like, it's so fucked up that the trans people in sports things, because I don't care about sports. Yeah.

in sports things because like i don't care about sports yeah i i feel like they're actively choosing stuff that like trans people like don't care about because it's it makes it really confusing they're putting you in a tough spot to have to be like i should be able to swim yeah and it's like i don't want to swim like it's yeah it's almost like they're created like by design they're they're like trans people can't go on a walk yeah and then i have to go on a walk and now to be a good trans person you have to be like super pro walking yes yeah i'm sick of it i hate it for you baby thank you yeah i absolutely hate it for you yeah they're never doing anything like trans people shouldn't be allowed to wear a fun little dress. Right.

So your protest can never be exactly what excites you. Remember when we went to that concentration camp? Yeah. So Nori and I did go to a concentration camp together i have a very long stand-up a bit about it you also have a stand-up about it a small stand-up what's really funny is what are you doing on that like five minutes six minutes um two two yeah i'm doing like 12 and you and i but and i think you could go longer if you wanted to we neither of us are talking about the same things no that tour was so insane she was funny

she was funny as hell we got a tour guide at the concentration camp that was like doing her like 10 minutes set and murdering and murdering obviously but bad choice give me not yeah but i mean she was yeah she was let's not she was a star star quality star turn yeah i mean that was insane we went to berlin together yeah and did we go on New Year's Day? Yeah. Or no. I think we went on the 30th. I think we went on the 30th.

Got it. Before, like, New Year's Eve. Eve, yeah. Yeah, yeah. We went on the 30th, spent the whole day doing that. Yeah. And then the next night we went out and, yeah, got shot with fireworks. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, we say this in our sets. We're very happy we went and we learned a lot. Learned a lot. And it was very important. Learned a lot. It just was like she kept doing things that were so funny. And it was fucked up.

It was crazy. And I have to say also, that's the other thing that's annoying me about these right-wing guys in comedy right now. That are all being like, or these older guys that are apolitical, right-wing. That are like, oh, you can't talk about anything anymore. I'm like, my current hour that I'm touring in front of the most sensitive audiences in the country, I talk, I have like a five minute run on trans people. I have like a 12 minute run on the Holocaust. I have like an entire section where all I do is say the F slur.

Like, you can talk about so much. You still do the school shooting gun thing? Well, that's not in the set right now, but yeah, I have a school shooting bit. I mean, you actually can still talk about so much. You used to do the school shooting gun thing. Well, that's not in the set right now. But yeah, I have a school shooting bit. So good. You actually can still talk about things. You guys are just not talented. Just not funny.

You're just not good. And you have no credibility with your audience because your jokes are coming from a mean place. Yeah. You're coming from a place of being gross and weird. Yeah. And trying to get away with it. And it's never funny. Like, that's the thing.

Like, I'm not offended. I don't get it. It's like, if something's funny, it's never funny like that's the thing like i i'm not easily i'm not offended i don't get it's like if something's funny it's funny like i love funny i love comedy and it's like they're not even they're they're so bad at comedy yeah not from like an offensive place just like they're not good and that makes me feel crazy yeah because they're like they're like it's just because these trans people can't, you know, take a joke. That was a good impression. Yeah. You're giving them a lot of hip.

This is my impression of a guy on Twitter who doesn't like trans people. He goes, you guys can't take a joke. They're body rolling. And he's actively riding a dick. Yeah. Why are you saying that it's crazy it's crazy i love you so much i love you i love you so much i love you i this is like i like i'd never get to see you because we're both doing stuff and it's so nice to like just talk i love you i love you yeah we should do a podcast

off mic sometime i'd love that yeah okay like why do we need why do we need these i don't want that let's just just why do we need these things just ruining ruining the audio quality nori yeah sorry i love you so much thank you for being here will you please tell the people where they can find you how they can support you yes um I'm on Instagram to all of it but I do want to say that um on in July I'm going on tour where I'm going to many uh cities uh on the but in the in a bi-coastal way east coast west coast so if you want to check that out the link is in my my instagram bio so yeah doing a tour uh yeah i absolutely love that yeah go check out nori's show nori's so funny live and follow nori on everything nori we love you to death love you thank you for being here baby we did it