So True with Caleb Hearon - Zooey Deschanel Loves To Snack

Episode Date: January 11, 2026

Welcome to a new and exciting era of So True with this week’s guest, the iconic Zooey Deschanel! Zooey and Caleb talk shooting a movie together, Almost Famous, fondest karaoke memories, trailmix, and more!  Join our Substack for ad free full episodes, early access to merch, our community chat, and more! https://calebsaysthings.substack.com/  Follow Zooey! @zooeydeschanel   Follow the show! @sooootruepod  Follow Caleb! @calebsaysthings  Produced by Chance Nichols @chanceisloud SUPPORT THE SHOW: Get a free can of OLIPOP: Buy any 2 cans of Olipop in store, and Olipop will pay you back for one. Works on any flavor, any retailer, including the Yeti limited-edition cans! Visit drinkolipop.com/SOTRUE  So True with Caleb Hearon is edited and engineered by Nicole Lyons. Our social media manager is Virginia Muller. All episodes are filmed in The SoTrudio at Legitimate Business World Headquarters in Brooklyn, New York.  A Wave series. wavesportsandentertainment.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Wave. And then I'm like driving and I didn't have tinted windows because I didn't know like if you're on TV you need tinted windows. I mean like being an indie actor, everyone that comes up to you is like it's a different thing. It's a really... It's cool. It's cool.

Yeah, people are like, dude, I love your work. You know, it's like that. I bought this flavor because my kids love Olipop. and I, my kids drank all the cream soda because I bought a bunch of flavors but then they drank all of it and so I never got to try it and I really like it.

It's very vanilla. One of the times that my mom and I got in the biggest fight of our entire life is when she, I had told her that I don't like Diet Pepsi. Maybe I was like 12. And so she bought a bunch of Diet Pepsi for herself to have when she got home from being a nurse. Yeah.

And I, she had like one left one day and I drank it just because there was nothing else interesting to drink in the house. and I didn't even like it. I just drank it to have something to drink. And she got home and she had been counting on the Diet Pepsi all day. And she was like, through tears, like, how could you? And I was like, you're being a crazy bitch right now?

And she was like, I'm not. Like she was like, she was so, and she was right. She was mad at me. You know what's so funny is that you just jogged my memory that like I remember in high school having like a really bad day. And I opened my lunch and my mom had packed a bagel with jam on it. I was like, I want butter. I remember crying over it because I was like so tired and I'd had such a bad day already that the like jam was like the straw that broke the camels back.

And I was just like. Did you cry to her or just at school? At school. And my friends were like, you don't understand. I love butter and I just want butter and I just want butter today. And then I think it was like, you know, it's like the 90s and everyone thought that like jam was healthier than butter, which it's not. But I think I'd said like, mom, like, put jam on my bagel because it's fat free or something.

Yeah. Because we're all obsessed with fat free. And then I was the thing. The thing. Yeah. That is so funny. Yeah. So anyway.

You and I were being a little health notes. We just, we wrapped a movie together. Yes. The best movie. So much fun. I had the best time. I'm so glad. I miss you so much.

Like, I can't believe, like, I don't get to see you every day now. It's a weird withdrawal. It's a. We were spending like every minute together for weeks. Yeah. And then you finish the movie and left. And then it's just like, like we're not hanging out at all anymore. And then I was like, I was like hanging on to the fact that I was going to come here.

Yeah. Going, okay, at least I get to see Caleb soon. Well, that we just have to keep planning. That's how you do it. Podcast time. We have to keep planning like, okay, in January, we'll go somewhere. Okay, good. Yeah.

In February, we'll go somewhere. Every month we're going to go somewhere. Every month we're going to go somewhere. to make it all work. Yeah, we finished the movie and we were being, we were being pretty good. I would say when we were at that church

that was our base camp, we were walking on the outside track. Oh, yeah, we were getting our steps in. So good with our steps. We were doing good with our steps. We were doing so well with our steps. Yeah.

Even, I remember there was one day was so freaking cold. Yeah. And we still went out and walked on that track and my eyelashes were like icicle frozen. Yeah, yeah.

It was real. I think that's why my skin, like, freaked out and had to wear aquifer on my face for, like, three days. You said you were having a skin thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was just the, it was the wind. Yeah. That's Chicago Wind. That's Chicago Wind, baby.

It's famous. It's really famous. They don't call it Windy City for nothing. Not for nothing. They call it that because of the wind. They call it that because of the wind, guys. Which a lot of people don't know. People don't know.

People are scared to say this. They're just, they think it's just a clever name. No, guys, it's the wind. Yeah, it's the wind, guys. Yeah, it was such a delight. to get to do that with you and I'm so excited. I'm so fun. I can't wait for everyone to see it.

I can't wait. It's called Trash Mountain. It is called Trash Mountain. It's based on your life. It is and I just actually, I had, we did an episode with Lily who, you know, was going to do it. And then EP'd and she, we didn't, she and I did an episode and I was expressing to her a little bit, something that you and I kind of talked about on set where I was just like, oh, it's this really interesting thing where like the movie is based on my life and a thing I went through. but so much of it changed for the movie version that there were these really conflicting

interesting times that like you and I would be doing a scene or something and I had such a hard time because without giving anything away there would just be things that my character in the movie would say or do that I would never do in real life as me and I kept having these like challenges where I was like oh that's really hard I remember there were moments that

that Gavin your movie character had to be a little bit tough on my character, your sister. Yeah. And you're just the sweetest baby boy and you never would ever do that.

And you're like, I would never. Yeah. They were like, it's got to have some drama. Yeah, we have to have some drama. And it was such a, it was such a beautiful thing. We wrote this movie and we're like, who's going to play this role? It has to be someone so good.

It has to be someone so down And then you and I got lunch in L.A. And I was like a little... I was just nervous because I, you know that I'm a huge fan And I've been a huge fan for a long time. But I was like, I'm a huge fan of her work. I hope that she's cool. God, I hope we get along.

And then we had like the most magic like three hour lunch. Yes, it was so fun. And you were... What I remember, that was so cute. I kept your voicemail because you... You send me a voicemail because you were... you were trying out a dumb phone. Yeah.

Hey, don't laugh that hard at that. Don't laugh that hard at that chance. It was a valid era that I went through. I was like, oh, my God, I admire this. Then you couldn't figure out how to use the dumb phone. And it left me this, like, really long message. And it's like, actually, and it was like transcribed. I was dying.

It was so funny. It was me being like, I don't, Zoe, I don't know how to figure out how to turn this off. I don't know how to turn it off. I don't know how to press end. I don't know how to do this. And it's just, and then it was transcribing it. I think at one point I gave over and I was like, well, it won't let me in the voicemail. So another thing I was thinking about today, like, I'm like, while I'm talking to you trying to figure out how to hang up the call on the dumb phone.

Unbelievable. The dumb phone makes you maybe a little bit. Yeah. Less smart. Dumb. It dumbed me. God, the dumb phone era, I want, I could cry right now. I wanted it to work so bad.

It ruined my life. I was treated like a leper. So wait, people were ready to stone me in the streets. I mean, it was like, it was not working. The community wasn't loving. The community was more than not loving. I was a hated and reviled figure in the community. And they started to message me other places.

Like, people refused to call the dumb phone. I was really ostracized. You're like walking past like a message board. Like somewhere in a Pilate studio and you're like, wait, what? Someone left a note for me. Caleb, if you are reading this. I will say the final straw for the dumb phone was one of my friends got so mad at me

because we had gone out to his show. And then I was like, hey, we're going to go to this bar afterwards, but I wouldn't let anyone bring their smartphones with them in my group. And so the only person who had a phone was me who had the dumb phone. No, no. And then you couldn't find it. And then no, no. And then I was like, we found the,

and then I was like, but if you don't get to the place before we go to the next place, I'll leave a note with the bartender that says where we're going next. Yeah. And then he came to that bar too late and then he had to get the note from the bartender and then he had to meet us at the next bar.

I thought this whole thing was pretty quaint and cool. Right, it is. People were pissed off. You went back to like an era like even before. Like I'm like back, there was like a time

when we had like pagers and stuff but like you had a pager. You didn't have to get a note from a bartender. I'm like you're taking it like way back. Yeah. I took it back in a way that people were not appreciating.

People like, no. And can I tell you something? Yeah. Three weeks of bliss. I've never been happier. I can't tell you what we're missing out on. No, it's great. I think the thing is,

is if you have a smartphone and you just pick the apps that don't write your brain. You like have a Maps app. You just like have your, you know, be able to text people or whatever. You're good at phone.

I will say you're good at phone. Thank you. You're responsive when you need to be, but I don't, like I feel that when we hang out, you're very present. Yeah, I put my phone away. A lot of times I put it away

so I don't even, I'm not even looking at it or thinking of, about it. I don't even see you on phone unless you're pulling up pictures of the kids. Aw. That's it. You're like, you're like, you have to see this picture of the kids and I'm like, I do. Well, especially on set, like I try to stay really focused. And so then phone gets put away, you know? And then the treat is like a New York Times puzzle, you know? Yeah. That's, what's bad about me on phone, I mean, there's so many things. But one of them is that the only time I ever do my puzzles and

games is when I've run out of everything else to do on phone. Right, right. It's like two in the morning and I have nothing left to do on phone. And I'm like, oh, I could play Wordle for the first time in 17 days. I've been really good at Wordle lately, though. Yeah. Second word multiple days in a row. Ooh, that's big. Second word is like,

it's pretty low percentage of my wordles. Where you live in? You in the third, fourth word, fifth? Third and fourth is my main. Yeah. But I have, you know, I have a number of, maybe I have like 12 second words. Yeah. Yeah.

But Wordle's not my best game. What's your best game? My best game is the one where you like cross the letters and you make words. Wow. You know that little box? Letter box. Yes. I don't know why I'm like, I love it and I'm sort of good at that one.

Yeah. It's where you have to have the center letter has to be in all of the words. Yeah. Yeah, you have to make, yeah, you have to cross out every letter. and then you can't like use letter you can't like make a word with this like on the one row

you can't put two in a row they have to cross the box yeah I was in in eighth grade or ninth grade I tried to get into Sudoku yeah and I entered a period of depression based on it I mean I'm there

like I don't like number games I like letter like word games yeah I love Scrabble but like no no You and I haven't played Scrabble yet. We need to Scrabble. I love to Scrabble. I made it, I had a guy that I had been seeing

come over to my house recently and I was like, do you want to come over and play Scrabble? He was like, yeah, sounds great. And he got over and he was being very, like, touchy, like we weren't going to play Scrabble. And you're like, I was like, we'll have sex, but we're going to play this game of Scrabble.

And then I played a very intense game of scrabble with him and destroyed him. And then the mood, I will, I will say the mood was a little killed. Yeah. You can't be too intense about Scrabble. Well, but I think he has to recognize and represent. He has to show up ready for Scrabble.

Yeah. That's why I was to play with girls. Scrabble is king. If I say come over for Scrabble, well, I think I pushed it because then after Scrabble, I did try to play Uno. Yeah, yeah. It was Uno. When I pulled out Uno after Scrabble, he was like, hey, man.

I was like, no, totally, totally, totally. I gave on that. I was like, you're right. We should hook up. Yeah. Yeah. You gave up the Uno. I was like, no, Uno, no, Uno.

Also, I'm not into Uno. You wouldn't play Uno with me? Of course I play Uno with you. Okay, thank you. I just don't really want to play it in general. Yeah, to sort of appease you, I would play Uno with you, but... I like Monopoly Deal. No, I don't know this.

Will you explain it to me? Let's do it. So Monopoly Deal is very much like Monopoly, Only you can play it a lot faster than a game. Monopoly, like lasts a full day. Yeah. Like if you play the board game, but if you play Monopoly Deal, you can cycle through it faster. And it's very similar to the game, but you play it with cards.

And it's super fun. You can take it on vacation. Yeah. Yeah. If you like Monopoly, you'll love Monopoly deal. They need to hit you up. Yeah. One of the first times I realized that I was capable of being drunk with power

was when I was assigned. I got to play the banker. Oh, yeah. You know? I really was like, I'm a could be a bad person if I didn't keep this thing in check. You know, because I really liked the way I felt. Yeah. I liked the way I feel as banker too.

I did. And in a way that I was like, I liked it. I liked hurting. I mean, I liked, I was like, that property is, you know, you can't have it anymore. No. I'm taking that back. That's mine now. Yeah.

And you'll go to jail. Yeah. And you will not collect $200. And I liked that. Do not pass go. You can't. I'm sorry. No pass and go.

It's not personal, baby. It's business. Listen. Yeah, exactly. It's business, baby. Okay,

wait. I have a question for you. Okay. Tell me everything. You, okay, you have made so many indie movies in your career.

So many indie movies. You're like, kind of the indie movie queen. I feel. Yeah, I mean, yeah. And what is,

so when you started, like, auditioning and stuff, you were telling you a little bit about, like, how they were sending you out and how that was going?

How were your first, like, auditions and booking movies going. Like, how did you? So when I first started, I'm not sure, I can't remember exactly what we talked about and if there was something like funny I said about it. But that when I first started, I was like 16 years old and I was like horrible at auditioning.

Like absolutely awful at it. But I did it. I'd cry after like every single one. And then they were, that was the time they were like making a ton of teen movies. So they like basically, if you were a 16 year old, they were like, what? we'll sign you. So it was a good opportunity. But problems that, one, I wasn't good at auditioning.

And two, I didn't fit into like any archetype of teen because they were like, she's, I remember hearing this casting director like on the phone talking about me. And she's like, no, no, she's not, she's not like your typical babe. Because I guess that too is coming in. She goes, she's like, weird. and I was like Should I have heard that? Should I hear that?

Like, I'm weird? That's good, right? That's so fucking funny. So, yeah, so bad at it. So I got better, like, but took a very long time. It took like a year of auditioning to like, be like, I got this. Auditioning is, though, such a randomly different skill than working. It totally is, and that's why I have.

I also have a hard time like understanding why now I mean now I have like enough of a career that's not something I'm having to do all the time but I do think it's strange that they cast a lot of stuff off of video now and it's like

self tape type situations and I just think you have to be in a room to see if somebody can take direction and that's the most important thing for an actor to be able to do is to be able to adjust in the moment like you know in a kind of of nerve-wracking situation and that you're like you have like skills on the day you know yeah

and that you're like a energy i don't know the energy in the room is just different it totally it yeah people can come across so well on screen and then you meet them and you're like whoa oh that's what you're like yeah it can be like that um i think that's what's so interesting about the moment we're in now where so many people's careers are entirely screen mediated yes then you you meet some of these people and it's no tea, no shade, and less deserved. But, like, some of these people that have such a perfectly curated screen-mediated presence, you meet in person or you get around them on a job or something, and you're like, whoa, the vibe is crazy different.

Yeah. And the screen mediation, there's something so, like, lost or added. Like, it's just a difference maker. It is. And when you're making a film, you're like, you have to curate the whole set vibe. And that ends up coming across. Like, and if you're just seeing like this. and it's just the person

and they've been very, you know, controlling about how, you know, what they show, then you're gonna see like those other bits that maybe aren't additive to your project, you know? Yeah. You kind of want to see the whole. You do. I was wondering the other day, actually,

I'm wanting to ask you, like I'm only capable, obviously, at this point of seeing almost famous as like this huge movie, like this big, you know, but when you guys, got that role. Did it feel like a huge get?

That was a huge get. Okay, cool. That was a huge get because, I mean, Cameron Crow is like a legend. Yeah. And it was like his story. I mean, you know what's funny? Look, I got to play Cameron Crow's sister and I got to play your sister.

Equal opportunities. Oh my gosh. No, both. Unbelievable. Like, no. So it was such a, everyone wanted to be in that movie. And it was like the untitled Cameron Crow project. And honestly, like, it was so crazy because I was a college student.

I'd done one movie and an episode of TV. I mean, I'd been around like auditioning, as you know, in high school. But I'd only booked a few jobs. And I'd booked this wonderful little movie with Lawrence Kazin before I went off to college. And then I was like, I'm going to theater school. And during my winter and spring breaks, my agents and managers, sent me out on some auditions. And I auditioned for that because everybody did,

but I didn't think there was like any way I would get anything in it. But I went back a couple times. I didn't meet him, but I met the casting directors. And I was on tape. And I guess what happened was Sarah Polly was supposed to play Kate Hudson's part. Kate Hudson was supposed to play my part. And then kind of last minute, Sarah Polly, couldn't do the movie anymore. Kate Hudson got moved up to Penny Lane and then they had this part

and they had to find someone fast. And so I guess they went through all the tapes of people that had come in and Cameron saw me and was like, oh, she looks right, seems right. And so I luckily, I kind of got to skip a lot of the process, I think, because I was like at college and then I came back on spring break and they were like, Cameron Crow wants to meet you like himself. And And so I went in and they just like cast me because they like need someone fast. But I think he makes, I mean like I think he has people come in and read a bunch of times. Like he really likes to work a lot with people and do a lot like really make sure the vibe is right, which respect for that. But then I didn't have to do like a million reads, which was great for me.

But I had an amazing work session with him. And yes, it was a huge deal. It was like this was the, that was the movie that everybody. wanted to do. Yeah. And then I did it. And then I did it. And then how did things kind of transpire after that?

Like what happened after that? So I quit college to do that movie. And then I got no work for like a full 14 months. I'm iconic. Absolutely iconic. And then I was just sitting around watching movies all day. So I'd go to the new Beverly and the new art and all the like revival house theaters.

And I'd watch double features for $7. and just fill my days with like watching like old movies. And so that was kind of like an education, I guess, in itself. Luckily I had like a group of friends at the time that was also very into doing that. So yeah, I'd go see like rock shows and I would go to the theater to see movies. For 14 months. For 14 months. It was like film school.

Do you remember the first thing that you got after that little spell of, but kind of just like working at it and waiting around? Actually, yes, because I got cut out of this movie. Because I only had one scene. And I understand why, but I was a little bit like, what? But it was great because it broke the spell. It was a Michelle Gondry movie called Human Nature. He made it like before all his really, it wasn't, didn't, it wasn't a super famous movie.

But it was Patricia Arquette. And I got to, I got to, she was having a flashback where she's like in college. and she's supposed to be like, I feel like her ape or something in the movie. I'm trying to remember. And I'm supposed to be her college roommate in a flashback. But they cut it out. So, but anyway, that footage is somewhere.

I will be finding it. You'll find it. I'll be getting old of it. Just like write a little letter, Michelle Gondry. Yeah, please. Yeah. One of the biggest arguments that my mom got, mom and I got into outside of the day at Pepsi argument was that I book

like one of my first, one of my very first TV roles when I was like doing stand-up in Chicago was on Fargo. And it was a big break for me. It was a big deal. And it was like a pretty, actually a pretty good role. I played like a 1950s like redneck gas station owner. It was like very simple. And like, it was an interesting like far from self role that I got to like actually like create

and work on. You mean you're not a 1950s gas station owner? One of those things and I'm never saying which. But I, yeah, it was like a fun thing to actually. get to develop a character and I had told my mom about it and then she like after I booked it and then she posted about it on Facebook she was like she was like my son's gonna be in and I was like mom I was like I could get cut out of that you're gonna jinx me like I don't know if I'm supposed to say anything yeah and she was like I don't know how to delete it and I was like girl get like and so I had to

talk her through deleting it on the phone and I was so mad at her but it was really sweet but yeah because my I still am very superstitious oh me too I'm so superstitious I'd be like ah like mom yeah I'm like, I don't want to brag and then. Especially if you have like one scene, it's just so easy to just snip, snip it out. To see you later. That thing is too,

that movie's too long. If you're not pivotal, that's why like, one thing about almost famous that I was like so happy about is my character's so pivotal. Even though I only had like three or four scenes, like they couldn't cut me out.

Yeah. I had to put me in. So you did, you did that movie after the... Yeah, and then I'm trying to think what I did. Then I had like a... Oh, okay, let's see. I did like a ton of little indies, like right in a row.

I think I did, I did that. That broke the spell. And then I did like, I know I did this little movie called Manick with Joe Gordon Levitt and Don Chito. That was a tiny movie. But it was fun to shoot. And then all the Real Girls, which is one of my favorite movies I ever got to do. Yeah, it was like a bunch of indie movies. Then I was just like,

Just like doing Sundance movies like back to back after that. Big Sundance era for you. Sundance era like lasted like 10 years. Yeah. How well, I mean, how did you feel at the time? Like were you, I think I guess my question is like in the moment that you were in your Sundance era. Yeah. Were you like, this is the fucking best.

This is exactly what I want. I had always like said I wanted to do like art films. That was like, that was like my goal. And I was like, I'm doing it. So I felt really good about it. I loved that era. The only thing is that with like little tiny indies, you have to like work so much to just like pay rent, you know?

Like you just have to like basically do like five movies a year, which was fine because I was like in my 20s. And yeah, I mean, it was great. I loved doing, I love doing indie movies. Like it's probably my favorite thing to do. In terms of passion, like nothing's better. I also just like, I like the feeling that we're like all filmmakers and we're all involved, like, deeply on this level of, like, getting it done.

I think there's this thing, the bigger the budget, the more separated you get from, like, as an actor, they're like, go wait in your trailer and, like, we'll come get you. And then you're kind of, you kind of feel more separated from that sort of filmmaking process. And I just, I love being in it. Like, I'm very, like, hands-on. I love it. Yeah, you really do. I mean, like, a lot of people say stuff like that.

Right. And then their actions kind of. of don't bear it out. Right. And I, I, I, you told me that when we met the first time. You were like, I love this shit. Like, I love making films. I love indies.

And I was like, I was like, I really hope that's true because that's what this movie would be. Yes. And then being on set with you, I was like, God, she really does love it. Like, oh, I love it so much. Standing in for yourself and like, really like, like, so just like, yeah, you, you really do love it. I have to say, I was very, um, inspired and surprised.

I love it so much. And I also, I just love the, like, I'm, I just, I like the grittiness of doing an indie movie. And I also just love like getting to do character-driven things that maybe are not exactly what a big studio would feel comfortable making, like things that are off the beaten path and a little bit more, you know, like maybe a little more emotional than they might want, maybe a little bit like different.

And I feel like those are the really special things. And so for me, it's just a treat to get to do it. I love it. Yeah. Well, you're so great at it. It's a gift to us when you do it. Oh, you're so sweet. Working with you as a treat. Stop. Where you is you as a treat? You know I'm shy. I do want to ask a question that we absolutely can cut if you're like, I don't really want to talk about that.

But you said something really, really interesting to me about when you decided to do New Girl. Yeah. And when you went and signed onto that project. Yeah. And then you had that moment of realization where you were driving in the car and you saw the... Oh, yeah. Like, can you... Do you want to talk a little? bit about like that era and like deciding to do TV. Yes. Something I was surprised by and didn't really know is that like I really had fallen in

love with your work in films. Yeah. And then like I guess there was a weird thing about going and doing TV. Yeah. It was at the time they're like film actors and TV actors and they, you don't mix. And it's like TV was sort of seen as this just like other whole thing. And it was this line that not a lot of people. people cross. It was like you were not going to do TV if you were a movie actor and it was like,

I was a movie actor and then there were TV actors. And it was kind of like so limiting. And I just feel like whenever you see like those weird prejudices like that, you have to go like red flag and then opportunity. Because frankly, that script was so amazing. The new girl script was so amazing. I was like, if this were a movie, everyone would want to do it. It would be like everyone. But it was because it was TV, it didn't have the kind of probably didn't have as much, you know, like people who were wanting to do TV, wanted to do it. But it was like, it was just didn't have as many people may be interested in it. But it's like, was such an amazing script. And I felt like, well, here's where we make the decision to go where the material is and not think about like, oh, I'm a this.

so I'm not going to do that. And also, it was a pretty, I mean, it seems like there's always transformative. Like every few years there's a big transformation in the entertainment industry. Like things change and like it just changed. You have to be ready to pivot and do things that were, was, do things that are different from how you used to do them. So for me, that was doing television. Because they had actually...

So when I first started, there were tons of indie movies being made all the time. And then... And that's how I... That was my bread and butter. And then all the, like, studios that had, like, wings that made independent... Like, kind of independent-type films, like, they cut a lot of the slate. So all of a sudden it was like, they might have had 80,

and then they went to eight. And it was like, just a bunch of superhero movies. And I was like, well, that's kind of not my thing. And not that I couldn't do superhero movie. Marvel, if you would like to call me, I'm accepting. We're taking calls. We're taking calls. But it just was like a lot of this stuff I had been doing was kind of drying up.

And I was like, do I just do music? Because I was doing tons of music at the time. And that's kind of what I was thinking I was going to do. And then I got that script. And I was like, you know what? This is so freaking. funny. I, and I was like, it's also, now everyone's like, oh, you are Jess, but I'm like, no, that's nothing like any of the parts that I ever did before. And I was so excited to have the

opportunity to play something really different. And get like into it. Because I was like, this is my wheelhouse, but nobody knows it. Yeah. So I was really excited. What, what made you fall in love with the script? I mean, I know you said it was funny and that it was a new challenge for you, but was there's, do you remember anything about it that like really set it apart? at the time from other things you were reading? The tone of the dialogue was just so unique. And Liz Maryweather, who wrote it, is unbelievably talented. She's gone on to do a ton of incredible stuff.

But, yeah, just the way she wrote dialogue was just so great. And I love the characters that she created, you know? Yeah. And I was like, ooh, I love reading scripts that go that when I read them, I go, I can't wait to say that. Yeah. I can't wait to say that. Yeah.

Not, oh, can we do it this way? You know, like, it's just so fun to be able to have that feeling where there's like lines or like, oh, I can't wait. Yeah, that is that, yeah, that's the best. Like your script. Well, thank you. That's very nice. Ruby, uh, Caster, who co-wrote it with me.

Um, she was just a dream to work with. I think we came up with. You guys are a dream. I love you both so much. It was a blast. Um, okay. but so the I just I'm so interested in it

because I feel like the experience that you had with that show was such a a rarefied like like crazy there's a very small percentage of people in the world who will go through something like that oh right and you were talking what we were talking about okay I know what you were asking me about this moment where you were like what the hell

I was like I had the show had just like gone on the air and it was big when it came out and I remember driving down Highland which is like a huge huge treat in L.A. Like right near the Hollywood Bowl. On my way to work. Rush hour.

And I looked up to my left and I literally was surprised because I, you don't always know what the marketing department's going to do. They just like, they'll do big, you know, they'll do, they'll go big sometimes. And I looked at my left and there was a full

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and it said like Zoe Dishina and I was like I was like this is all at once like my nightmare and my dream all the things and then I'm like driving and I didn't have tinted windows

because I didn't know like if you're on TV you need tinted windows I mean like being an indie actor everyone that comes up to you is like it's a different thing. It's a really... It's cool. It's different. Yeah, people are like, dude, I love your work.

You know, it's like that. I loved you in that thing. Whatever. It's not the same as being marketed. And I remember, so I'm like, I look up and I was like, oh my God. And then all of a sudden, I feel this, there's like a pounding on my window. And this guy starts going, hey, hey, you. And he just starts, like, pointing at the thing. like, and I have apologized

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Thank you, Raleipop. It was kind of a crazy time just because it was like, oh, whoa, this is what it feels like. And sometimes it's a big shock to the system to all of a sudden have a different level of people knowing you

who you don't know, you know. And then, yeah, you got to learn to be chill with it. Yeah, I feel like, yeah. Because sometimes you're a heart rate, you know. Yeah. And yeah, it can, yeah, it can be very isolating. I feel like you have to find a way to still live in the world and figure out how you navigate that thing.

But then, yeah, you were on this massive hit show for a long time, nine seasons? Seven. Seven, but nine, was it nine years? Eight years. Eight years. Yeah, eight years. So I made it up in my head. You know what I felt like nine?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you. Hey, that means the world to me. Thank you. But yeah, seven seasons, eight years. and how did it, like when it was coming to an end, how did it feel transitioning out of that? Do you remember like the big feelings of it?

It was really hard. The hardest part was that those other actors, I were like my family. Yeah. And I saw them every day like more than a lot of my family members, you know? And I, I just miss them. And that's really hard. It's really weird.

And then everybody lives all over the city. And, you know, you don't necessarily. get to see them very often or, you know, it's like unless you go have lunch or whatever. But you know how in L.A. If you, if one person lives in the valley and one person lives on the west side, one person lives in Highland Park, like nobody's going to see each other very often unless you make a really concerted effort. Yeah. So yeah, I just miss, I miss my buddies and I miss that camaraderie. And I loved getting to make something every week that was like, wow, we made like a whole episode of TV in five days. That was like incredible. So that was crazy. Yeah. And I was

I loved that. I like being in the trenches like that and it's like the way I feel about making indie movies. Like I love TV and like how fast it goes and I love indie movies and how fast it goes. I have a hard time when it's like glacially slow filmmaking process that I'm like that that's a little that's actually a little tougher for me. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting. interesting doing the like, I mean, I came from like an indie comedy where we did everything quick and cheap and immediately. And the first time I did something big where it was like, we're shooting two pages today. I was like, what the fuck are you talking? I was like, we have so much time. This is insane. It just feels crazy that you're like, oh, wow,

y'all are really moving like this. Two pages before like 8 a.m. Yeah, it's just crazy. You're like, whoa. Then what are we doing next? Yeah. Yeah, that's intriguing. So what, um, what chapter do you feel like you're in now? I mean, I know you have... The Caleb Heron. By the way. Supporting Caleb Heron chapter. Um, yeah, I mean, I'm just like getting back to all the stuff that I've always loved doing. I mean, I have two kids who you met. I love them. Elsie and Charlie. They love you. They're absolute icons. Charlie does not like Sorbet. Does not like Sorbet. And also when I met your kids, I couldn't tell if they were just, I met them for the first time. I mean, I'd heard so much about them. I was I think I came on a little too strong.

I wanted to be their friend so bad. And then I met them fresh off the plane. They were just a little tired. I was like, you guys! And they were like, hey. No, they'd like wait to show their personalities. So they're like very polite usually too. So they'll be like, hello.

Nice to meet you. Yeah. And I was so stoked when we ran into you guys in the hallway and their personalities came out. And I was like, yes, you could see their little silly personalities. Well, and we were at a disadvantage because they didn't know anything about me, but I already knew so much about them. Right.

Because you and I had talked so much about them. Right, of course. And I was like, what's up, guys? How are we? Like, I was like truly ready to like lock in. And they were like, get this man. No, no. They're just, they like, they like just have, they always, they withhold the personality a little bit.

And then they want to like burst it on you. Oh, they're so cute. But, yeah. But so they were like little. And so like, when the show ended, they were like so small. And so I kind of was just taking not as many jobs just because I want to hang with them. But now I'm like stoked because it was like we had so much fun making our film. And I love, I love making, you know, movies that I feel passionate about, you know, like where I feel passionate about the material.

And, you know, I just, yeah, I just, I love making movies. So I'm stoked to do that. And you're in New York right now doing a bunch of this stuff talking about. about the next film you have coming out? I have a really cute movie coming out called Merv. And it's a rom-com. But it has like, it's a rom-com, but it's like my favorite rom-coms where they have like some serious elements too.

Like it has these like moments that really ground it because it has, it's not just like silly. But it has a lot of silliness too. But it's about a couple who breaks up and they share a dog. and then the dog is depressed. So they have to cheer him up and take him to dog beach in Florida, a dog beach in Florida. And maybe they reunite.

Who's to say? I'm not saying. Who's to say? But the dog is named Merv. And the dog is so cute. He's a very good actor. Happy ending for the dog. Can we say or no?

Happy ending for the dog. The dog, nothing happens to the dog. Okay. I just get that out there right now. I just want to know this, I just want you to know this not like a dog dies movie. Yeah.

This is a dog is alive movie. This movie, one of the big things about it is there's a dog that's alive. One of the big things about it is the dog is so alive and the whole time and there's nothing about the dog has a very long life

that like continues on after. Never stops being alive for one minute. And the dog's only even six years old right now and he has like so much life left. One thing about this movie is the dog has lived and will continue to live. Yes. He's like,

Not even in his quarter life crisis yet. He's chilling. He's chilling. Yeah, he's got so much to do. He's such a sweet baby. Yeah, and he's working. He's got jobs. He's got gigs.

Yeah, he's got gigs. He's working actor. He's an actor and he loves sausages. That's how you pay him. Really? Same, by the way. Yeah, exactly. So one of the things that we would laugh so much on Sab out is that the dog,

they'd be like, we have to pay him. And how they pay him. him is in like chicken pieces or sausages on a like little antenna. You know what? Yeah. I'm starting to look at some of my contracts a little sideways right now because I'm like, I need someone to come over and give me some chicken every once in a while. You just go like, ah, please.

Someone flies in a chicken on an antenna. Yeah, it's what we want. Sounds really nice. Yeah, so he's living the good life. Yeah, and he eats like healthy treats because, you know. He's a working actor. He's a working actor. he can't just eat only sausages.

But he loves those sausages. This legitimately was a point of growth for me when I started acting. First, I went pretty crazy at crafty. Yeah. Like I would upset my tummy bad. Yeah. And I had to be like, hey, so you're actually a grown-up,

then you're at work. Like, I had to be like, no more candy for breakfast. Like, it was a real problem. Well, they, they, some sets they put out a great spread. Yeah. The thing is, is what you have to do is like if you have a crap, like, it was funny because on New Girl, we had this, like, this, it was like, what do you call it? It was like a trail mix they would put out.

And the first year we were all like, I think it was like Kirkland signature or something. We were all like, oh my God, this trail mix is so good. We eat it. It had Eminems in it. And everyone was like addicted to the trail mix. But then they put the same trail mix out, like, you know, the same brand, same kind. every day for like seven years. And then by the end, I was like,

I could look at that trail mix. And even though it's an amazing trail mix, it's like you see it enough times. You're like, rage. I don't want it. Get it out of here. I just was like,

well, I just was like, I can't believe I became immune to this incredible trail mix. Yeah. I felt like really good about that. Like it's just immune. That's a beautiful skill. I could just look at those M&Ms and just be like,

whatever. You mean nothing to me. You mean nothing to me. I wouldn't need a handful of you. I was weak. season one for the M&M trail mix, but not anymore. Not anymore, baby, get that shit out of here. Doesn't mean anything to me.

Raisins? You think I'm gonna take an info with that right now? I would never do that. No, I would never. That's not in my character. But it was like if they changed it up and put like a new snackie out, forget it. I love a snackie. I do love a snackie.

Yeah, you know about my snack drawers, right? I do know about your snack drawers. I told you about it. Yeah, your snack drawer is iconic, but also I will say most of the time you're taking down like baby carrots dipped in cottage cheese. That's like your big snack. That's my big snack. That's your big snack. Everybody needs to know it's a good snack.

It is, but it's sometimes hard to snack with you because I'll be wanting like a snickers and then all of a sudden it's like you're doing one of the most healthy things I've ever seen. If you put ranch powder on it? Come on. No, it is good. It is good. It's really good. No, that's like a healthy snack.

But yeah, I like a snack. I like the really mini, mini snickers. You saw me taking down some minis. You did. I would say one of the coolest things that happened to, us on our movie was that me, you and Kyle, do you remember the moment we all discovered how important coffee was to us? Yes.

That we were all like... We were like, we need to buy a real espresso machine to have on this tiny indie set for four weeks. For four weeks. Well, we were, I was really like, I was like, I don't want to say anything snobby right now. Yeah. But I don't, I just, I want good coffee on this thing.

Yeah. And it was nice that you guys felt the same. Yeah. Well, and then I said, actually it's more important to me than food. Like, and then Kyle was like, I buy a legitimate espresso machine on every film I'm on. And then give it to the camera department.

I was like, we all understand each other. I'm glad we understand what needs to happen. Yes, we need. We need what we need. But we were pulling shots at lunch. And I was not alcohol shots, but espresso shots. And I was making them for a lot of people. There was one lunch where I remember I was like,

late to go back for hair makeup because I was making so many espresso shots. Zoe's not ready. She was making coffee for everybody. I was making coffee for everybody. She was pulling shots for the crew. She's at her barista job right now. She'll clock in when she can. But I felt good about it.

Everyone said that it was good. The coffee I made. One of my favorite things about you, many to choose from, is your love for karaoke. We tore some karaoke up on this movie. We sure did. And when you showed up, I could tell you were tired.

Yeah. You were like. Thank you for saying that. You were like not maybe 100% wanting to be there. Yeah. And then you get up and saying, man,

I feel like a woman by Shanae Jwain. And I was like, do I love this person? Like, how much do I love this person? I want you to know that you're 100% right that when we were in the car, Michelle can vouch. When we were in the car,

I said 33 minutes. We will step into that party for 33 minutes. And then it was a lot longer than that. I was there for hours. I started taking shots. I don't, I don't even really drink like that. Like something came over me.

They were like jello shots being passed around. Or what was that cooler blue? Like it looked like something that was like you that was used to like market teenage mutant ninja turtles or something. I got sick off that. I had so many shots because basically what happened was there was this girl at the bar who kept sending shots around to everyone. Yeah.

And I was like, you're not going to outdo me. If I'm going to buy shots. And so then I started buying shots. All of a sudden I've done 20 shots. Yeah. I was deep in it. I did man, I feel like a woman.

And then I kind of slurred my way through. Lucky. Lucky by Britney Spears. That was iconic. That was a moment. I'm not going to lie. That was a great moment. Yeah,

you did a great song that I can't remember the name of. It was like a funky. Oh, was it, Tell me something good. Yes. By, yeah, Chalka Khan and Rufus. Yeah.

God, you murdered that. Thank you. That was a real, and that was, see, but that's what I'm saying. You wrote that song.

I wrote that song. You. I wrote that song. Also, Stevie Wonder wrote that song. I thought you said you wrote that song and I was like, I did write that song. Stevie Wonder wrote that? Yep.

Oh, I didn't know that. And when you listen to it, you'll be like, oh, hell yeah, he did. It's a Stevie Wonder song, yeah. You killed that. And that's the kind of karaoke knowledge that you bring. That's not a song that I think almost anyone else would pick, but you. Oh, thank you. That's a good karaoke song.

Thank you. It's a great song. Yeah. It's a good one in general, but you really murdered that. Thank you. We were on our karaoke in a big way. I love karaoke, and we have karaoke at our house. Like, we do karaoke, just casually, and the kids love it.

So fun. What are their go-to songs, do you know? Elsie likes to sing, like, Adele. Yeah, and Charlie likes to sing, like, the Ghostbusters theme. Yeah, yes, yeah. Elsie's also like, give me the mic. She'll be like, I'm not going to sing. And then she'll be like, give me the mic.

She's me. I'm like, oh, whoa, whoa, okay. And then my sister later, we were doing karaoke with my sister, was my sister's birthday. And then my sister was like singing along with Elsie. And then Emily's like, I'm not sure Elsie liked that I was singing along with her. She's like, I think she wants to sing Adele by herself. One of the most foundational karaoke memories I have is that I was staying at my friend's house. I was maybe like 10.

And I was known to get down on karaoke. And I was staying at my friends' house. I was asleep. It was like three in the morning. and I was, this is a friend that I was very, very close with her family and our parents were very close. So I knew her mom like extremely well. Like basically another parent of mine. Her mom came home drunk from the bars with a bunch of our other, like my mom and a bunch of their friends.

And woke me up from my slumber and was like, you have to come downstairs and do karaoke with me right now. And it was just me and her in the living room doing karaoke together. Amazing. Everyone else was asleep. It was just the two of us. She's so drunk. And I'm just, I'm just. I'm like barely awake standing there 10 years old.

And we did, um, would you still call me Superman? That song? Yeah, kryptonite. Cryptonite. She picked it. And we did kryptonite. And then after we finished it, after we finished it the first time, she was like one more time. And then we did it same song again.

And then we did it two more times. So we did kryptonite three times in a row. And then I was like, can I go to bed? And she was like, yeah, get out of here. Oh my God. And as I was going to bed, I heard her do kryptonite. Oh, my. That is so funny.

Queen. It reminds me that when I was in college, I went to Northwestern. Somehow I got invited to this overnight formal, like with a fraternity, with a guy I didn't know at all. And recipe for disaster, but not the disaster you think. But hold on. Hold on. This guy got so wasted and requested the song, Come on, I mean. like 40 times

and the DJ kept playing it for him hell yes he was so rude yeah it was just crazy but I kept like the come on I lean coming on like thousands I was like are you freaking kidding me why is the does the DJ like have a crush on this dude or something and you know what that's some shit I would do

and I like that song but like not that many times it's too much it's too many times one time one time is enough maybe one time big gap in night second time later. Yeah, like what everybody's cleared out. The DJ at my birthday party last year.

I threw a costume party for my birthday. Oh my God. Like every year? Yeah, coming up again. Wait. You know you're invited. I gave you the information. I'm half, I'm I'm gonna remind you of the information. Well, you have the venue information. You just have the date, but I'm gonna give you the rest of it soon. Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. The DJ last year, there was a moment where the DJ played a, um,

I hope you dance by Leanne Womack like club mashup. It was like, I hope Pew Day. And it was like, I literally, I've never seen a room light up like that. Oh my God. And I was grinding on these two lesbians that were dressed as the Blue Man group. And I just, I remember in that moment being like, life is so special. You're like, I've never been happier.

I've never been happier. And that made me think of that. My, one of my happiest moments was at, you know, that plays Marie's Crisis. It's like, I love show tunes. So I was like singing along to like lay miss. and then like for some reason my I love my parents so much and for some reason they were like

we're in New York where are you and I was like in Marie's crisis and then they walked in and started singing Les Mis with us I was like this is it beautiful this is it imagine something better than that it was like one day more another day another destiny

me not knowing the song me not knowing the song sorry to all involved sorry to all involved it's okay I know all though I did go one of my first, I came, I did an internship in New York when I was in college

and I had this internship where I worked with international high school students and if we planned... Don't brag. And if we planned trips for them, the school, the company we worked for would pay for our part of it. So like if we planned to take them to a Broadway show and we could explain why it was a cultural immersion

for them, they would pay for our ticket. So I, but you had to get only one trip a week of the same thing could be planned. So I game the system and as soon as the portal opened every week to plan trips at midnight. I would go in and plan all the best most expensive stuff for my kids so that my shit got paid for. Yes. And I put,

I, my kids wanted to go to Les Mis and I'd never been to a Broadway show. So I was like, I'll take you guys to Les Mis. I've never been to Broadway. And so I took them to Les Mis and we sat all the way in the back, on the back wall, like up in the very top. It was so uncomfortable.

But I just was like, and I had all my international kids with me. And most, all of them spoke English. But like, for a lot of them it was their second language or it was just you know it was a varying degrees of like what kind of English they spoke um and so it was a lot of like communicating like the military when we were on the train and i'd be like stop you know it was like very like this i had to use a lot of gestures and um i remember there was a really a really sad part of the show and i was crying yeah and i was crying and i was like i could see you know i was like i could see you know i was like i could see you You're crying. It's very beautiful.

I took my, we took our kids and then like my daughter's, like, best friend. And then her mom is one of my best friends. And also she loves laymets. And I grew up, like, loving lemias. And so we watched, we all went when it was like touring again and came to L.A. And we were crying the entire show. Yeah. Yeah.

It's great. It's great. That's so sweet. So I have a question for you. Yeah. What's so true to you? What's so true to you right now? What's so true to me?

Mm-hmm. That I'm so happy. I love that so true. I love that. Do you think that every, like, okay, tell me what you mean. Like, you're so happy. I'm so happy. I'm, like, happy to be here with you.

Like, I'm happy to be in New York. There's, like, it's like the holiday season. Yeah. My house is decorated, like, sparkly lights and all kinds of things. And I'm going to have holiday fun stuff. and soon and I love Christmas and we've got a little movie coming out. I made this awesome movie with you. I mean, everything's just fun.

I feel pretty good. Yeah. I just pretty good. It's nice to be happy. I'm happy. What kind of tree vibe are you guys doing? We have multiple trees. Of course.

But do you have like a big, like, okay, your big tree. Yeah. What is the vibe of it? The vibe is like 1960s tree with like really colorful balls. that feel, yeah, only described like 1960s, like a little psychedelic. Yeah. Like maybe, yeah, a little psychedelic. This really tracks because one of my favorite things about you, you know,

is that you used to, you know that one of my favorite things about you is that you used to DJ in L.A. Yeah. On the east side and you would only play 60s girl groups. Yeah. Yeah, that's my favorite. I wish I could be there so bad. Yeah, you know what's funny is that. So some of the gigs we would play only 60s girl groups.

And then some of them, I'd open it up a bit and play other stuff. But people would be like annoyed. We weren't. Like some, there would be like dumb people that would be like, I don't even play modern music. And I'd be like, are you DJing? It's my DJ night. This is my DJ night.

And I'm like, I want to dance to this stuff. Yeah. So I would DJ. I DJed with two different friends. And they were both like big girl group. people so yeah but i would DJ like dive bars like nobody nobody knew i was doing this was like a little secret wish i could have been there but i couldn't i wish you could but guess what but guess what you were like 18 or something what years was this were you're like 2010 20 10 i was 15 oh you had been too

young i wouldn't want me in yeah i was in missouri i was in the cowfield yep bye i did this is We should make it happen again. I'll DJ a dive bar for you now. Unannounced. Unannounced and only girl groups. I would love that. Yeah. I would completely love that.

Please do that. Honestly, for Trash Mountain release, we'll find a time in a way. 100%. I have a segment for you. This is the true or false segment. What it is, every guest, I'm going to read you 15 statements. Okay. You're going to tell me as quickly as you can if you think what I just said is true or false.

Okay. And Zoe, if you get 10 or more correct, we're going to give you $50. Oh my God. U.S. dollars. Okay, incredible. So the stakes are high. Okay. Are you ready?

Yes. Bugs Bunny is older than Mickey Mouse. False. Bald Eagles mate for life. True. True. The capital of Nebraska is Omaha. True.

False. The first text message ever sent said testing. True. False. It was Merry Christmas. That's sweet. Yeah, that is it. Crossroads.

Crossroads school newspaper is called Crossfire. True. True. Lobsters have blue blood. True. The liver is the only human organ that can fully regenerate itself. True. True.

France has 12 time zones. False. True. What? Yes. France? France. No.

Franz. 12 times zones? France, 12. How is that possible? It's not big enough. Baby, I don't know. They didn't consult me at all. Can we fact check that?

I'm sorry. Fact check it. Can you fact check not with chat GPT? because that lies. I never do. Fact check it without chat, GBT. Yeah. And while we do, Elvis's final rank

in the army was private first class. True. False, Sergeant. Into the Woods debuted on Broadway in 1987. True. True. The hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy was written by Douglas Adams.

True. True. A group of owls is called a roost. False. False. A parliament. The Caesar salad was invented in Italy. True.

False. Mexico. I knew it was in Mexico. Jan Hooks's real name was Sinthony. Cynthia Smith. True. False.

Jan Hooks is her real name. French Woods Festival of the Performing Performing Arts is still open. True. True. How'd you do? Okay. We may have to review the tape,

but I believe nine. Okay. Now, what do we get on the time zones question? It is, so, how is that possible? I will tell you one second. We only have like three or four in the U.S.

That doesn't make any sense. Okay, so 12, with it, overseas territories. France uses 12 time zones, 13 because it claims Antarctica. No. No.

You're right, we got to give her that. How many in France? Like actual, like... Contiguous? How do you say that word? Contiguous? I don't know. Yeah, sure.

That one. France. Well, it's all like the little islands and stuff around it. No. No. You got it. You got 10.

Yeah, thank you. I want $50. And I'm glad that you went to war over this because you were right. Thank you. I knew there was something because I was like, I know about time zones.

Well, counting an article is crazy and they know that. They know that. That's crazy. Yeah, yeah. They're always doing that, the French. They're always counting an article.

Can I donate the money to a charity? Oh, we would never do that. No. No. You have to take it and spend it. Okay. Can I spend it on dinner

with Caleb Aaron? Yeah, you can. Yeah. You can. We're going to go get hot dogs. Buying some wine or something. Zoe, is there anything? You, okay, where can people watch Mervin when?

On Amazon Prime. Okay. Comes out December 10th. Okay. What is this coming out? This comes out the 18th. So it'll already be out. Merv is out now.

Go watch it now. Yeah. Merv is out now globally. If you're somewhere, some, if you're in France with your 12 or 13 time zones. Or Antarctica. Or Antarctica. You should be able to watch this.

It's on Amazon Prime now. It's called Merv. And it also stars Charlie Cox, who is Daredevil. Charlie Cox, Daredevil. Yeah, he's so nice. Yeah, and he's English. Which is huge. Which is huge for the English people.

Yeah, yeah. Is there anything you want to leave the people with before we go? I love you all. Beautiful. Thank you so much for doing this. Thank you for having me. This was so fun. Can I come back a lot?

Yeah, you absolutely can. Thank you. Thank you so much.