SoccerWise - ConcaChampions Semifinal Preview, Gressel-Mania In MIN, Pogba In DC & LA Galaxy Worries

Episode Date: April 29, 2025

It is time for the big one as we will learn who will represent MLS in the CCL final this year against on of the biggest clubs in Mexico. Tom and David breakdown the matchup heading into the second leg and what it would mean to the two clubs to win it. They also talk the breaking news around Julian Gressel joining Minnesota, Paul Pogba negotiating with DC United, and some troubling results for LAG & ATL.6:30 Gressel Heads To MIN16:00 Pogba Negotiating With DC United24:15 ConcaChampions Preview36:35 What It Means To Miami & Vancouver To Win CCL45:30 Nashville TD Performance51:45 LA Galaxy Worries In Their Winless Season Soccerwise Live 2pm ET Every Tuesday/Wednesday/Thursday on Youtube/Twitch/Twitter

What's up everybody? Welcome back to Soccer Wise. David Goss and Tommy Scoops with you for a big, big show. We've got CONCAC Champions to talk about. We've got some moves in Major League Soccer. We've got some touchdowns that were scored as well. Tom, when we start the record, we have five seconds where we have to sit there in silence. We can't do anything else.

We're also not being recorded. For four seconds in that, I was like, I'm going to say something. And then I was like, no, because then Tom will react and we'll go into the music. And you had me right at the last second. You caught me and I appreciate you. I'm always here for you. Just showing you that I'm live, I'm ready to go and I'm clicking. I'm always here for you. Just just showing you that that I'm live. I'm ready to go and I'm clicking. I did listen to the last show. I didn't text you guys.

I figured that that would have been too much satisfaction. But as I'm stumbling through the Philadelphia Airport parking lot just tired from a couple nights in Vegas and everything else that's going on is like as Doyle started to say something nice. I was like just get to the fucking joke. I know. I know this. fucking joke. I know I know You're not hit you're not faking me on the end around anymore. It is then you rarely did maybe once you got me on an end around I got a defensive lineman over there. Just just get get through the play the motion hand it off run the damn ball You were you said you're always here for me and I was literally gonna respond with except for when dead and go is in The sphere how was it? Oh my god. It's a religious experience. It's one of one. I'll tell you, obviously, if you

have an interest in The Grateful Dead, I would strongly recommend it. If you look at the Sphere band list, or whatever you would call it, I don't know if there's a new 3D term for the Sphere. If there's a band you like that's playing there, even remotely like, I encourage you to go. It's just one of one. And I imagine The Grateful Dead are perfectly set up for this, with all of the images and whatever. I don't even know what to call it. It's so different. What I don't love is I got myself a beer and my friend to make a drink. my friend a mixed drink. It's like $58.

Oh, that was actually less than I expected. I thought we were going to be in the hundreds. For one second I was like, oh, James Dolan did something good. And I damn have to admit this. And I was like, $60 for two drinks. We're back. Back to Haiti. Are you as excited to see Dedinco in the sphere in Abu Dhabi or Dubai or wherever it's going

to be built? I hope wherever it's going to be. I hope that they just stick to Vegas. It'd be nice. Can I can I that's not how that works. Can I tell you walking out of the airport? Um, because obviously there's for those who haven't been to Las Vegas, who I haven't hadn't until then, there's a Oh, this is your first step casinos in the airport because it's Vegas. Um, so I think I had 10 minutes after getting overpriced airport food and again

Just tired and beat from everything waiting for my flight. I just put some money into the roulette table. I Can can toppled the money I put into the roulette table within the ten minutes for getting out of the flight So that was a nice little boost felt felt like a winner Sounds like a new profession for you Yeah, picking numbers that are roulette table. It's really really deep analytical stuff Oh, only I'll be guess. I'm going to do Steve and Gerard, bro. It's do it's Bellow stay mellow. Yes, I'm so smart The the Liverpool reference obviously necessary we had someone in the discord say how you're doing after winning the title.

What a weekend for Tommy scoops. Nixon five still on, still on. We just have one more game tonight, which will obviously be a 35 point win. Then we will be moving on to the next round. Me and Tommy scoops have done most of the work in that series, but other people have chipped in at times. You get your Liverpool win, you get Ted and Co. Everything going your way. Roulette. Man, maybe we should put you in charge of a team right now and see what you could do to start throwing signings in there. You'd be Vancouver all of a sudden pulling ball

on door winners out of a $50,000 allocation trade. I think that's a good idea. And I would like to test my luck. And that's where I'm going to crap out. You know those stories where some investment group will buy a fifth division team in England or a second division team in France and talk all this, how great it's going to be? And then the athletic comes out with a story nine days later that the guy just didn't exist and stuff like that. That's going to be like, wow, the why the weirdest nine days of my life Like when arson venger bought some player. I think that was not a real person or something

He actually still lives there someone sent me a GQ article he did today he still lives in Milan He complained about how corrupt Italy was when that happened. I don't remember where the about how corrupt Italy was when that happened. I don't remember where the tea was. Apparently his wife was like the person that the people that like because he was he's like so likable that like he didn't know how to deal with it and then his wife was like I got it. That's what the GQ article I think pretty much was about. Was just like oh Mike Piazza was super likable and where is he now and what's he doing but he still lives in Milan because he has to I guess at this point. He's played the Italian card so hard that he can't go anywhere else. He has to be a part of it full-time

Well, I would just want to say lastly congratulations to you Rexam three straight promotions I know that is at your core your heart That is a team that has meant a lot to you. As it's built its way up over the years, you're an original founder of the what is it Asbury Park supporters group is my understanding. So I just wanted to say to you like, I know it means a lot. You ever heard of promotion? And the magic. Yeah, the magic and the wonder of having just a bootstrap team purely only with slight funding from two of the largest movie stars on the planet and the giant I think the largest corporation on the planet.

That's the stuff that makes your heart flutter Tom. So congrats to you. I know it's a true fairy tale story. I couldn't see it coming. True Disney story. That is one way to describe it for sure. I think we've got a Disney story coming up in our little realm of the world. We've got Vancouver, Miami in the semi-final.

We will talk about some of the big MLS games and results we've seen. But the big one, GrestleMania is back. The SmackDown is coming, the People's Elbow, that's literally the last time I've watched WWE wrestling. And Julian Grestle is finally free. So shout out to Julian Grestel for having survived this entire experience. Probably doesn't hurt getting paid a little bit of money on the side as well. He is leaving Inter Miami, Tom, and he is heading to Minnesota United.

The way that you said he gets paid a little money on the side made it sound like he took a kickback or something. No. No, the contract he signed with Miami, he just gets paid. My point is, if you told me I couldn't work for 1.1 million dollars, I would be devastated and I would find ways to get over it. No, so Julian Gressel is in Minnesota United after technically going through waivers. It started as like trade talks, like the destination was disgusting and it was just about how the

finances are going to work and like what MLS mechanism it would have to take for both teams to get what they wanted out of this, which is Miami clearing salary cap space and Minnesota getting him on a reduced number and Gressel not having to leave money on the table or anything else. So it's just kind of the mechanism that worked for this move and again, classic MLS where we have to spend a little bit of time explaining that. So Julian Gressel is in Minnesota. He's on their discovery list. I think it works out for all parties. Look, O'Cavier Masturano made it clear he's not in the plans. And I think that there was a point

being made to the front office of like, you need to buy him out because I'm not playing him. Like, you know, I'm not changing my mind. If don't, if I use him for 10 minutes, you might tell me that like, I'm gonna, like, oh, you're gonna find a place. No, like, hey, he's clearly not in the plans. Clear the space so we can bring in somebody else in the summer. And I think he's gonna fit in extremely well with Minnesota United because what they've struggled to do is break down teams or have a plan B when teams take away transition moments. They play with two forwards. He's one of the best, if not the best, crosser of the ball in Major League Soccer.

And when you're already not scoring that many goals outside of the transition moments, outside of how this team is built to play, the worst case scenario is he doesn't add any goals and there's nowhere to go down. And I think it's going to work really, really well in these situations because it's two center forwards and center forwards that can thrive off of service and it just gives them a plan B. And it won't be one that they overuse by just sending a ton of aimless crosses because I think Eric Ramsey is too smart for that. I agree with you. It makes a lot of sense. We've talked about it. I think that plan B, you could see games where the expectation is this team's going

to sit in a low block against us. Maybe he starts as a wingback in those games. Or it is the game the flow of the game is not going the way we want. I think this weekend would be an example right against Vancouver, a stout resolute team, obviously Vancouver shifted a little as they made their subs and brought Ballon d'Or nominees like Pedro Vite and Sebastian Burrhalter on the field as the game went along. But like, for the most part in that game, it was Vancouver sitting in clean lines, and man Minnesota struggling

to break down, then that's a game where you bring Gressel off the bench. But if you are trying to build a plan B, that is a possession style. Julian Gressel is probably the best piece you're going to be able to get at this point, because now obviously the windows closed. But even as the window came towards the end, I can't really see a lot of other players that moved inside of MLS that would have been a better fit for this for Minnesota. And he's got experience in the league and he's won in this league and that's one everywhere. Yeah, and Minnesota doesn't have a ton of that, right? You've got Kelvin Yobo and some of the pieces you've

brought in who are uber talented, but don't have a ton of MLS experience. And then you've got a little MLS experience that I don't know that you'd say they've won a lot. They've been to a Western Conference finals, the boxalls and the Dane St. Clairs of the world, but it's not like you are one of those teams that has a million people who know what it takes to get to that final stage. So all of that makes sense. And I could see him playing in a few different roles. And I think you said it for Minnesota, like there's nothing to

lose because if he goes, if it goes poorly, you're kind of where you are at the same time. Now, for me, the question mark when you first reported this last week, when the window was still open was how much salary would they carry? Because that is the one concern, which is for me, the question mark when you first reported this last week, when the window was still open was how much salary would they carry? Because that is the one concern, which is for Minnesota, they have a ton of space to continue to work and build because they've done so well against the cap and bringing in players that are super effective for smaller contracts, small transfer fees, all of that. I wouldn't want to jeopardize all of that if I'm Minnesota. But the assumption for me until we see details is

The waiver move opened up at least some salary that they are not gonna come I would say pretty strongly They're there if we did a mid like they're not paying the majority of what he's owed right, so like I think it's gonna be a great deal for them and again like I Think that I've distracted from like, you know Oh if it doesn't worry And again, I think that I've distracted from, oh, if it doesn't worry you this, I think that that was me setting the floor. I want to just be clear. I think that this is going to work out really, really well

for this group. I think that he fits this team extremely well. And to your point, there's different options for how he can play, and it's going to be a team-friendly budget charge. So I think all in all, it's going to be a really good move. And we've seen Gressel, I thought of this today in his career, right in Atlanta he played

centrally, he played out wide, he played out wide in a flat four where he served in to Joseph Martinez deep crosses. That was a lot of what he did. Then he went to DC where it was like almost a pure hug the sideline fullback position serving in crosses. But then he goes to Vancouver and everything was pinching in and being an option inside and being a connector. So we have the example in this league of his versatility and the different ways he can play, whether it's at that fullback position or then centrally, we have seen him play in Atlanta, in Vancouver, somewhat in Columbus, we've seen him start in central positions or come inside. So we already know he's capable of all of that. And so now it's just getting on the field

with these players and having it fit in. Heron Head says he has a skill set that would have helped Miami in a lot of matches this season wasn't in Mascherados plans. Absolutely. I mean, look at this weekend, right? You're rotating messy and friends because of conquer champions action. He is an experienced player. As I said, he could have helped I think a lot of the younger pieces where an I end a and Obondo like to get on the end of things who's going to create for them. But I think in the delta of how much he could help them. And probably if they open up the spot what they can get going forward. Miami and Mascherano had a different idea. And so it ends up, I want to say making sense for the way this whole thing went. And it probably

ends up being a culture thing as well of like Tata's guys and Tata's not there. And we've seen a huge exodus of players when you talk about like row house and all of these pieces that were a part of Tata's roster. And I think Gressil got stuck in a little bit of that. Yeah, me too and look like again like whether I agree or disagree with how that's like you can't question the first whatever 15 games across all competitions that Javier Mascherano has had for the City of Miami team this roster is deep. They do have a lot of options They have like young options coming through either the Academy or thought Ian fray was good on Sunday at the right back Yes, if that's where you're gonna play him. Yeah, like brights been good centrally Yeah so again obviously Kramaski and Santiago Morales is getting more minutes off the bench like

When you're just looking at it in the cold financial terms, it's like well We could either have this off roster homegrown played 10 or 15 minutes off the bench or the guy that's making a million. And I get it, right? So I think the only thing that I could really would want to criticize them about is this. They've been in the works since like December. Why did this take the five months, four months, like whatever it was? And that's not a Miami thing that that's like that's just

Normal business across the soccer world like why do we need to have a deadline? For you to go crap like I'm gonna give you a realistic price now with a week before the deadline so it's like When Charlotte were trying to sign Miguel Amarone? They they what Atlanta paid to get him this winter. Charlotte would have absolutely done that on all fronts. But Newcastle were like 25 million. It's like you know, like why because it's the first week of August and your window closes in three weeks. Guess what? The other offers the 25 million that you want a comment. So like if that was it's like these things happen all the time. So while while even that's a criticism, like

it's just the way the world works, unfortunately for Minnesota, it comes at a decent time. They were, I mean, we've talked about on the show a million times. I came into the year high on them last four games. They have one, one, a two, one win against NYCFC zero, zero draw against Toronto and Dallas. And then the three one lost to a rotating Vancouver team. The goals are the struggle. and I think that's where you're hoping Julian Gressel can help you a little bit We will talk about into Miami more in just a moment up the loons in the chat says

How did they know other teams wouldn't take them on waivers? We think he can affect the game in even more ways. Yeah, it seems like Seems like everyone was on the same page for some segment of this I tried to get deep on a waiver conversation with you on the phone earlier and conveniently your service went out and it hung up on me in the middle of the conversation. I was in one of my responses where I start like this and I end screaming, as you guys well know by listening to the podcast plenty of times, and then I didn't hear anything on the other end and I was like, there's no way Goss would have just like

laid out and been like, oh, sorry. I could know that I would be hearing something. I was like, oh, the call dropped again. I'm not calling back. I'm stuck on, sorry. And that was the last time we ever spoke. So it's a good way for things to end for us. Let's talk about the other big transfer news maybe

on the horizon. Paul Pogba and DC United have been in negotiation that's reported by the Washington Post, as I mentioned yesterday on our weekend recap show, Paul Pogba, as a friend of mine told me to say, so that's what I'm going to do like 16 times in the next minute and a half in this conversation. What do you make of this and how much should I reserve on my money for my DC United, Paul Pogba jersey? It's DC United, so you literally never know.

But from my conversations and myself and Ben Jacobs, our reporting on this, there have been preliminary conversations from Pogba's camp and DC United ownership. This is taken out of the front office's hands. I'll tell you, I can imagine the front office's hands. I can imagine the front office would have wanted to use a DP spot if they knew that this was a possibility four months ago as well, but it wasn't. It's an ownership-led thing. They have his discovery rights, no firm offer, and nothing that would be even close to being called advanced. That could change, but from what we were told,

Pogba wants to be able to decide on his future next month, and maybe DC's a part of that. Again, an offer would have to be made. They do have his discovery rights, so they do have the right to negotiate, which I guess would signify that they are at least serious about this, slash they think maybe somebody else would at the very least but that's about all I have in terms of the factual reporting here and and gosh I think you're more optimistic about the possibility here so I'll let you start. I love it. I'll let you start.

No, I've already done it like five times on this show. Every time this gets rumored I do my little spiel of like the eyeballs will be crazy if you're the first team when he comes back and no one knows what this is, everyone is going to be tuned in both domestic and in your market, especially for a club like DC. That's, let's just be real has been bad. So far it hasn't shown a lot to bring people back into the building and then globally, like it's going to put you in front of a lot of people. Are you prepared to be in front of those people? I'm not sure. Like it's a good thing for DC United with the way the team has been playing to all of

a sudden be blasted out to everyone. But you might as well try something rather than not. What does that mean? Like what exactly does that mean? Does that mean that aggregation soccer accounts are going to screenshot him subbing on for the first time? How does that equate to positivity at whatever club signs them. Well, it would if you got results with if you were if you were a direction would you sign to a DP? It depends on what it depends on what my team how my team is set up and like how I need those spots. So there are teams DC like Chicago would be

another one. Well, let's see if he's about open. But like, let's talk about and this is obviously a bad fit But like the Cincinnati Thomas Mueller thing of like they rest they have much rather Thomas Mueller and it's not understood But FC Cincinnati has a championship team built already without that DP spot used so you can take a gamble with that spot You're not sure that I would take it. The question would be how much money how much guarantee do I have to give for it? Like I'm not getting in an I wouldn't say I would get in a negotiation war with another team over him and be like Oh, yeah, we're gonna throw name our money at him to blow a Saudi Arabian club out of the water That doesn't really make sense to me. But if he says I want to play in MLS

I want to play in the United States. I think this would be a fun way for me to come back into the game and Can he play immediately? He could have he so I think a damning part of this he was eligible to return Early march if not like march 1st, I think yeah MLS teams could have signed him already He could have been playing already And the first we're hearing about this is DC united and not not just DC United, DC United ownership. Does that give you literally any confidence? No, absolutely not. This is the group that failed to let Lucho sign with PSG as he was in the lobby a few years ago and then he ended up leaving anyway.

Just the same critiques. I think what's so disheartening for me here, and again, like maybe I'm being too pessimistic about it. Maybe it's confirmation bias where, dude, I believed that DC were actually going to try to have a cohesive plan with new front office. Which this is not a part of. It's like, let me go all the way back. I haven't talked much about this publicly. I don't think I've reported this.

So I've reported that Dome Tarant was the finalist for DC United's head coach. He was their pick. Everything that I heard from the outside was that they knew the ballpark from Dome's camp and they entered negotiations, understand like we're going to get a deal here. We understand what the market is. And the normal first offer, first counter offer went and then ownership said, no way, there's no deal to be made.

And so from the first instance, the first big decision the new regime gets to make, they got undercut immediately. And then I said, okay, maybe there's that there. If you believe in your support, again, it's a bad spot because of how things have been, but if you believe in the people that work for you, you let them tell you this is the DP we want to sign. It doesn't go the other way around. So I think that this is just going to be a symptom of more of the same, and more of the

same for DC United would be really, really bad. So I'm just assuming this wouldn't be good. Thinking about like, going from Ben Ols like, to the Wayne Rooney era. And like, Ravel Morrison, like a maxed hand deal or whatever the number was. What are we doing? And like, what are we doing? Yeah. And you go down they have taken and then they have taken a couple of these bad gambles with like no real planning around it and it hasn't gone well for them and every coach has it as like a dramatically new style. And like again, we already talked about Julian Gressel. Julian Gressel got well even Rooney Rooney coaching by the way is a part of it. Right. Because they said we're

committed to being a high pressing team. Rooney wasn't that. And they said when he joined, yeah, no, it's not exactly the same. When Wayne Rooney is available, you take it. So they threw themselves off their own tracks with that coaching hire for no reason other than Wayne Rooney. But again, then little things like Rooney traded Gresso because they wanted more room to maneuver. And then like two weeks later um, they tra- uh, Rudy traded Gresso because he- they wanted more room to maneuver, and then like two weeks later they signed Bentake.

It's like, oh, now we need to get him serviced. It's just like everything, it just constantly goes like this, man. So again, maybe that's too much of clouding. Like again, I- I'm normally optimistic about signings and- and again, even if I don't think that it's like most likely gonna hit, I'll be like, oh okay, I can I can see the scenario so yeah I can see a scenario where Paul Pogba is good I just don't think it would mean much for this team like De Bruyne would mean something I think I think that that would make more sense and I think that he could fit in more things and like I guess the idea here is you just give Pogba the keys and like hey man like create for us be yourself and

like maybe he cooks. Well on the Gressel side of things can't be worse what if you give Paul Pogba the keys the attack can't be worse yeah no so like again like i'm trying to balance this like i know that i'm coming off pretty harsh on on on DC uh but you're not wrong yeah i i think 100% the idea that this does not come within a larger plan is the scary part for DC United And it's one of those things with the Rooney time period as a player Where the fact that it went well? Was not indicative then of future success because it was fortunate that Wayne Rooney came in and played well and like that was all On his shoulders. Yeah, and there was not processed to a lot it. And that's been an issue for DC United for a while.

And you can talk about overall spending, but like we are now in a, we're about to enter a conversation about Vancouver going to a CONCACAF Champions Cup final. It is not about overall spending. It's about structure. If that's how you wanna function and operate and DC is not one of them.

So my fun Paul Pogba conversation became Tom's arresting DC United conversation. And that is why we are here at Soccer Wise twice a week live with Tommy scoops and myself to break it all down. Let's dig into the Conker Champions conversation to get it started. We hadn't been on we haven't been on together since the semi final that we already saw. We are now going into the second leg. So reminder, if you don't know, Vancouver won the home leg 2-0 in the first game last week. Away goals are a part of CONCAC champions qualification. So Miami fails to score that away goal Vancouver now going into the second leg with a 2-0 lead

That is going to be on Wednesday night at 8 p.m Eastern time and then we'll be back on Thursday with all of your recap So I was thinking about this as we got ready for this game and this was one of the things that popped out to me I have a list here. It is chaos Mainly it's chaos because soccer in North America is chaos. So I kind of was thinking, wow, how well have Miami and Vancouver played in league play, going into a CONCACAF Champions final, right? Because one of these two MLS teams will be in the final, it will be depending on how you

look at it, the fifth American team, the seventh MLS team in the modern era to make it to a final in this competition. And so I went through to see like how have other teams played. Now of course you have to go back to group stages that span two years. MLS seasons with nine teams that started on February 1st and then MLS seasons that started on April 12th because nothing matters and everything is chaos. In general though, an easy comp. Last year Columbus going into the semi-final were 3-1 and 6 with a plus 3 goal differential when they started their semi-final

second leg against Monterey, which was good for fifth in the East and 15 points, which is like a pretty good season. LAFC have been to the final twice. I'm not because it doesn't matter, but I am not going through 2020 season. It was a bubble, everything, it was chaos, whatever. It was great that LAFC made the final. The final against Lyon in which they didn't, wasn't a bubble situation. They were 5-0 and three, which is pretty impressive. Third in the West at the time on 18 points. They played against the Philly union in the semi-final. Philly

was three, four and two. They were fourth last in the Eastern conference on 11 points. Seattle when they went to the final, a lot of the schedule got moved around. They'd only played five games when they played in the semi-final against an NYCFC team. If you remember, NYCFC was like going to LAFC and then hosted Champions League games in LA because they didn't want to travel back and they didn't have a stadium in the weather and all of that. NYCFC was one, three and one at the time when they played.

And then for Seattle going into the final leg of the final against Pumas, they were two, four and one, third to last in the Western Conference Pumas. They were two, four and one, third to last in the Western Conference at the time. TFC back in 2018 were one and three. Montreal were O two and two. And you go all the way back to 2011 RSL playing different league, different time.

They were four and O going into their semifinal. So credit to them. Vancouver, seven, one and two right now in first place in the league. Miami are five, one and three, and they are top three in the Eastern Conference. My point in all of this is whichever team wins, they are having an unprecedented run of success

across multiple competitions going into the final. And I think I feel good about whichever team wins, having a legitimate shot in the final because of the soccer and depth we have seen from these two sides. And so that has to be noted. And it's not just how well they've played. It's that they haven't moved games, right?

Miami had the one game off during the international bye, which had nothing to do with CCC that they already had. They haven't moved games. They've played all across. They've played on international breaks. That's where Vancouver's one loss came in. That these teams have been stretched and they've done it at an incredible level, a historic level for all we've seen.

Yeah, it's like the Vancouver Whitecaps in MLS play lead the league and expect a goal difference and it's not close. It's like two goals or almost two goals. Miami obviously have the players they have. You would think that yes, they have a deep roster, but their most important players are 35, 37 and at 35, whatever those exact ages at 39, or Suarez. And they're doing it in a different way. Like Vancouver has rotated more of their important players than Miami has, but Miami has still been able to keep their best players than Miami has, but Miami has still been able to keep

their best players fresh, for now at least, and over this weekend is when they finally pulled the ripcord and said, we're sitting every single starter and a few of you aren't even dressing. And that was totally fair because they hadn't done that yet. So they're doing it in two different ways and they still are coming to the same result. And as you said, as you laid out with all of those numbers, the norm is if you're making a Champions League run, you are struggling at the first part of the MS season. And it was a tradeoff that a lot of teams accepted, particularly if you've already won

a shield, if you were coming off like an MLS Cup or whatever, right? And those are always the right decisions. We always give those teams out and I think we still should in the future. But if we're able to make this a new norm, we're like, yeah, if you're really good, you can still compete on both fronts. The same way that for the most part, the best teams in Europe and South America when they're in the Champions League and Libertadores are still expected to be towards the top of their league domestically. And yes, it's different with the salary cap and everything else, but that just gives it

another level of impressiveness to what both of these teams are doing it and how they're doing it in different ways and ending up at the same place. And I think it just like should put into context how impressive and special these groups are, as you said. Whether it leads to anything similar to this in the future I don't know. And of course Ryan Gould missing. Unbelievable. So they've had to fill in even more. I think this weekend was really stark in not the difference between Vancouver and Miami because I think it was by a whisker that Miami doesn't get a result against Dallas

and that it's a credit to Dallas that came out they played well they pushed down 3-1 and were able to find the chances but it was still I think overall a fairly good performance from this Miami team but then Vancouver you're like oh okay this is the group they make the rotation okay Minnesota's a good team you're on the road you're in between the two legs. And to have the guys come off the bench and play the way they did, it was like very superstar nature of like, okay, now we're here. Right?

Pedro Vita and Burrhalter being like, oh, okay, once we come in, that will change everything. And Ali Ahmed, the same. And it was really cool to see the Burrhalter goals. Absurd. Vitae has been unbelievable. We talked on this show with actual Schuster about his future. He sort of said he feels fairly comfortable in Vancouver. Maybe there's another year there for him going into the World Cup for him to remain you know, stay playing this way. You go to a regional final. Vancouver wins a

Canadian championship. They're already clinched a spot in CONCACAF next year, this is going to be a team that's going to compete in the playoffs, like he's gonna be sort of on the big stage as big as you can get in the MLS sphere for the next year. And that might be enough, even if it's not. It's an unbelievable run. And I think they showed a lot this weekend. Still, it feels like one of those and my only reference point here is Lin Sanity when it

was like, oh, he did this and then but he can't do this and the next game he did that he dunked on someone then he hit a game winner. It just kept going and going. That's kind of how Vancouver feels of like, okay, they did, you know, they got results at Portland first week, but it's a red card, whatever. No, then they come home, they knock off Montreal and TFC. Okay, they've done that. But like, now they have to go and play away in Mexico.

They go they're able to accomplish that. And it's just like beating all the bosses on the way to the end. The Linsanity comp is interesting because that ended with the Knicks playing the Heat and LeBron Wade and Bosch saying there's no way this dude is doing anything. This isn't fun. This was our entire game plan of I don't care if somebody else has 75 points this dude is not getting anything. So hypothetically speak, we're talking about you know, the the big three in Miami, Inter Miami with their legendary talent. Are you are you foreshadowing something like that to happen Wednesday night?

I don't think so. What fascinates me about this game is I think you have two teams that are so utterly confident that if they do what they expect, they will win that I have no idea how it plays out because you go back and look at that LAFC series and they were LA, you know, Miami gives up the away goal at home. They don't score in the away leg. So they're at that point, you're thinking it's over. And at no point do they panic. So you know, they're going to play that way the whole game, no matter what the result is. And there's nothing we've seen from Vancouver, rotated on the road at altitude, not at altitude at change stadiums, whatever it is, in which they've

stepped away from who they are in any way. So you've got like iron on iron in this one. And I think that's exciting. I think you get into a point of like, okay, who can be excellent in these moments? I think there's gonna be a ton of pressure on this Miami back line. Whatever the, you know, whoever it ends up being in this group, it was slightly rotated.

It was the least rotated part of the team this weekend, but we haven't really landed on like these are the locked in starters. It feels like outside of Jordi Alba. So if it's Lujan, Falcone, Noah Allen, Ian Frey, whoever it ends up being in that group, I think they're going to be on islands a lot. And they did just enough to stay in with LAFC. Like I thought Buonga was going to cook them. He did. He couldn't finish. If Ali Ahmed and Brian White and Vite and Eddie Arakampo are in those same positions and they score twice, it's probably over. So that's gonna be a lot of it. But I can't foreshadow this because I have absolutely no idea what's gonna happen. I'm right there with you. And I think the most important

point is the one you made that like stylistically, two teams are going to play their way and I respect the hell out of it and that also leads me like I guess the other way was with LAFC in Miami I was like yeah you know if you know if you come down to the belonging of chances and to at the end of the game that was right but like as you said once they went up they got the away goal and then it was oh god now Miami needs to score three. It's like all right I feel pretty good about it. If there's any team that's built to hold the lead against Miami and hurt them in transition, it's this LAFC team.

So even if things go to plan when you think it's stylistically, the end result ended up being Miami anyway. But I believe in this Vancouver Whitecaps team. I think it's going to be fascinating, particularly the first 30 minutes. If Miami gets one early, but then that's that's a that's a lazy cliche too because that didn't they didn't against LFC and they had there's been plenty of games where they they take a little bit longer to get that first one and then it's an absolute avalanche after that so I just can't wait to watch.

It will be I think fascinating to see what's available to Vancouver Sam out of Kube got the minutes This weekend, so he's back in the group It feels fairly safe to say Ryan Gould won't be available. He's been running at training They keep they they keep saying like he's farther away Matias Laborda could be available for this one. That would be a tough place for him to come back into the team and debut I don't I mean there's no way he's starting because Ocampo is locked in as a starter the center back pairing is locked in as well. So those are some of the question marks as we said there's been movement along the back line for Miami. I'd expect it'll be wine got. I

expect it'll be Falcone. I think the other spot there is a question mark. Maybe it's no Allen. You would do that because you assume you're playing high up the field. He's comfortable in possession. He's just the first to a center back next to Falcone. Okay. Which I completely accept and I'm happy about and shout out to Greek international Noah Allen. I'd expect Yannick Bright in the starting lineup in this one.

And then it's sort of the question mark of like who's the other piece around the midfield and the attack, it will probably be Segovia based off what we've seen and that wouldn't surprise me. I think Segovia, as I've said, is the better option in trying to break teams down at home and Allende's more of the like stretch the field and give you some pace. Those are sort of those lineup questions.

Let me ask you big picture, because we've dug into this a ton over the last two weeks. What would it mean for each of these clubs? We can start here and say winning this but then big picture winning the whole thing. Big picture for Miami. They want to win everything they're in is a continental tournament and it means a lot for any M. West team to win this. When you bring in Lino Messi and all the signings that they have, they've made it a point or they've made it a priority. We want to win everything all the time.

That culture and that mentality and that expectation I think is a good thing. It's aligned with what you make those signings for and it's aligned with now the league has their New York Yankees or their net then now the Dodgers right or the Manchester United of the past or the Bayern Munich or whatever it is right that that other teams are hate or upset about and you have to pack that up by winning these toward by winning tournaments winning competitions they got the points record last year getting to the final getting at this stage against another MLS team this isn't a Vancouver thing against any other MLS team Miami should be expecting like internally should be expecting to win they should be

demanding nothing less than if there is an MLS representative in this tournament it has to be us it should be us we need to earn it we need to deserve it so I think all that and lifting that trophy and making the most of all these competition, all these minutes that these players are here for because they won't be here forever. On Vancouver's side, it continues just a legendary run. If you get to the final here, maybe legendary is too strong given if you walk away with no trophies and who knows, maybe things change, whatever. Where this team was four or five months ago when the team was put up for sale and things

felt sideways and this has always been a low spending team and all of everything else with the stadium lease and not getting to host your own wild card game last year because of setting up for a motocross thing at your stadium. To put all of that behind you so fast and to be where they are in the league right now in this game and potentially get to a CONCACF Champions Cup final and you are the team that is the MLS representative and you are the team that went to Miami after so many others have failed to get through past them? That is absolutely huge for the Vancouver White Cups and I'm bearing the lead for either

team. You know what's most important? Lifting a trophy and having a trophy celebration. Yeah. I agree with all of that. I think for both these teams, obviously the history is huge, right? One MLS team in the modern era has ever won this. You are trying to be the second.

For Vancouver, I think it would be as tough of a run with that win and Jeremiah Oshan, I would love to have him back on the show to yell at us about talking about the 2021 run once again, and disrespecting it in every way that we have. Um, but with the, yeah, that's fair to me. Um, I still think it's my favorite moment that I've ever covered or been around in MLS history and it had to be Seattle. No one else besides Seattle was gonna win this first. Like shouldn't have, didn't deserve to, didn't have the ambition to, didn't

have the ability to. I thought Brian Schmitzer spoke really well about that like on the night of like what Bob and Bruce had built in ahead of him but like that that club in that moment at that time was the only one really capable of taking the next step. It's why they're in the club world cup this year. For Inter Miami, I could be wrong, but in my head, they've never beaten a Mexican side in like genuine high stakes competition. Have you ever heard of the Leagues Cup? They beat Cruz Azul in the group stage of the Leagues Cup in Messi's debut. As much as we want to joke about it, they then only played MLS teams the rest of the way and then in champions league last year

They lost to monterey and they beat I think nashville it was in the round before and they got a buy And then going into this year They have not played a league mx club, right? No, they played lafc and they went to jamaica and they had the buy before that So for a club that brought in messi like you said and wants to do all of this International success is part of what they want to accomplish and the trophy means a lot But I think at some point they're gonna want to be able to say and you you better believe fans Around the region are gonna say oh, but you never beat Club America. You never beat Tigris. You never beat Monterey. You never. And so to get to the final would be huge. And then to win it, whether it's against Cruz Azul and or Tigris gives them an opportunity that doesn't exist right now.

And I think for a club that wants to stay there in the stratosphere, that is a massive opportunity for them that may not come back. Like the calendar may not line up. They may not play a team from Mexico if they get back in and win. Like what we see this year, like it could have been possible, right? The galaxy had been better, whatever it is. So I think that is a unique situation as well as Inter Miami.

I can't really figure this out, but my understanding, Inter Miami has a better chance of hosting in the final. Remember it's a one leg final. It's hosted by the higher seed. The higher seed is based off the six results, the final six results of this competition for each team. So it's like based off points and goal differential.

I have zero idea why. I don't know why what you beat one team by has any relevance to what you're beating this other team by, but fine. What? what you beat one team by has any relevance to what you're beating this other team by but fine what i was so i was gonna say do you like this or dislike this and you answered that you dislike this yeah i don't love neutral sites it should be two legs i don't know what we're like if you told me oh this team played better against other teams so they get to host the second leg that is a more marginal advantage than they host the only game and can give the other team the runs or whatever happened last year. I just think that's too big for something that in which you don't play any of

the same teams and there's no similarity and it's a competition that's slightly skewed and like Miami got to go in against the team on a buy that is from Jamaica which is a different competition than playing a team on a buy coming out of a league MX championship. But whatever it is for Inter Miami, whether they host it or go on the road, it's a huge opportunity I think for them to put themselves in the region in the way they want to on the field and not just off the field. It also gives you kind of like a wink, wink nudge of a way to earn your way into this club world cup that you're already in, which I think is a nice opportunity.

And like you said, it's about winning trophies. The whole reason you put this together is to win trophies. You didn't win MLS Cup last year. Here's your chance to do it. And they have said how much it means to them. For Vancouver, I don't know, man. Maybe it's Major League in real life. Like maybe in 25 years, Soccerwise does a deep dive episode about the Vancouver Whitecaps and

how they built a new stadium and they've become this regional dominant force and they stayed in Vancouver after ownership and someone comes in and says I don't know that the team would have still been here if they didn't make the run the year they said they were gonna sell it I don't know if that's true but if it is it'd be pretty freaking cool and if it not, what a way to rally the market and rally everyone around you. What we saw last week, that is the type of thing that intrigues people and says, yes,

what I can build in Vancouver can be one of the best atmospheres in the region. I think that was beautiful. And the only thing I can add is that in the major league comp, Sebastian Berhalter is absolutely Ricky Wild Thing Vaughn. He is the Charlie Sheen character. You make my heart sing. Hell yeah.

Let's just get him the glasses. I'm sure you love this. One of my favorite scenes ever is the opening scene when the person hits the ball and he's like it's too high. Can't be home runs. Too high. And they just start yelling about it. It's a great movie.

All time movie. This is going to be a special game. We are going to be back, as I said on Thursday, to cover all of it for you. We'll be in the discord hanging out while it's going on as well. So if you are not already subscribed to our page, you're going to get you access to our depth charts, which are fully updated on all the moves that have happened. You can look at the available game for teams, you know,

the type of contracts they have, how far they go out, depth charts, all that type of stuff in MLS and NWSL. And it gets you access to our discord as well, where you can chat and hang out and talk about games and all that other stuff. Let's dig into a couple of big stories from the weekend. Now that you are back with me, Tom, and then we will get out of here, um, just in time for you to go watch your beloved European soccer. And of course the champions league on top of all of that,

the fake one, not the CONCAC champions, which I have been stumbling over for like two weeks. It just- You got it now. It won't become natural. But I think that is CONCACAF to its core. That's a great point. It is friendly, you understand it, you know it.

And it'll kick you. But at the same time, you just can't get your hands around it. You can't fully grasp it Let's move into NFL territory. Let's talk Nashville's touchdown this was absurd like what a moment for this team BJ Callahan against his former mentor and Takes them out to the woodshed and does the business Congratulations the 16 year old center about Christian Cups who made his debut in the 75th minutes down seven to two

Congratulations the 16 year old center about Christian Cups who made his debut in the 75th minutes down seven to two Can't take that away from him and I hope that he has a wonderful career So we can look back on this in five years and just laughed about like what a debut Like they didn't concede any more goals I just got to say that the value added over replacement for Christian Cups in defense was exponentially high After he wins the Saudi Bahrain International Club World Moon Championship in 2035 for the Vancouver Whitecaps the sole Entrant from MLS will do that sit down and he'll be like, oh when Vancouver won that CCC title I was playing in a 7-2 loss in my debut against BJ Callahan in Nashville

I don't have any analysis for this. It was just insane. And what were the subs? 31st minute and then halftime? Something like that. Yeah. Pineda, I think, was the first one. He makes like four changes.

And the first time they conceded again and then after halftime they conceded two more. These are just one of those. If this was a baseball season, this would be like game 71 where a team just has 19 runs and then the third baseman is finishing off the last two innings on the mound. Like Brandon Nemo going for an RBI record against Ahmed Rosario. And it's just like, I don't have much. This was, this was fun to watch. This was inexplicable.

Don't have a lot of analysis, but like I don't think that this is indicative of anything big, big picture. I think the strands you could pull is one. We know Andy Nahar is awesome. I think that that is obviously a thing to take away from this. If Sam Serg can use this as a springboard, even if it's just scoring penalties that him and Hani Mukhtar have been trading back and forth after missing penalties, I think that's a meaningful take away but like we know that nashville have been a much more fun team under bj callahan um and i don't think that this means that they're going to

be the best attacking the league and i don't think that this means chicago's going to be the worst but man what a fun day for those fans that came out to nashville to geodes park for think of all the nil nils that they've sat through and all the complaints that they've had to put a touchdown Any extra point there and for BJ Callahan to have to hold the smile as best he could and the hey There's a good game coach Sorry about that The I said yesterday on the recap like a lot of the chances Nashville scored are chances they've created

So normally when you see a game like this, I'm like, okay, it's an outlier, right? This team finished every half chance and the other team for the most part you can see chances you're gonna concede and sometimes they're scored, sometimes they're not. Normally it's not 100% and then normally you get down on yourself. You pick up a red card, stupid penalty, you turn the ball over in a weird way, whatever it is. So I think for Chicago you can try to eliminate some of that. Although I do think Greg's reaction was that it felt a little bit more than that for them of like to have given up at the

first whistle I think is kind of tough. And I do think there is some structural stuff. I thought Joe Larry broke it down well. Back heeled about three in the midfield for Chicago against the tight and narrow four or six whatever it ends up being. For Nashville which I think is one combo. I think the bigger issue inside of that is like, can Pineda cover enough ground to be one of those in there? Do you get enough from Orgell when he is in there? Does Brian Gutierrez do enough against the ball? There are question marks in there and Jack Elliott's play

that are a little scarier for Chicago, but it's also year one of this build and like it was never gonna be perfect. And so your hope is you can isolate some of this and move on and then for Nashville It's like, okay How do we do? How do we just keep some of this up because I think a lot of the flow of the game and the chance they created And the play has all been there

It's been about that finishing and so like you said if surge and honey are just confident now Then like that changes the reality for this Nashville team. They are still a piece away. I will keep saying it in the attack. Julian Gressel would have been a nice piece to put alongside Quassam behind those two. I've said it like 15 times. I'll throw it out there one last time before it's now it's all over and Gresselmania headed to Minnesota. But like, there's a lot to like about this Nashville team.

I think they're going to settle in pretty well in this four to seven territory in the East. Yeah, they've been much better. I thought they're gonna be very impressive. One thing to kind of go back to Chicago, that's five games winless. In this run, they've had Cincy, they've had Miami, but they've also had Red Bulls and Montreal like wouldn't call them those two, you know, the best best teams in the league. So again, I'm not ready to panic, though this should be setting off alarms of like, all right, what do you got against Orlando this weekend?

Because if they lay another egg, then I'm actually going to really be worried because this is a run and this is a, okay, we just conceded seven. And what was your reaction? And Orlando are a good team. So they have Orlando, Atlanta coming up next. And who knows, maybe that Atlanta-Chic Atlanta Chicago game is gonna be pretty dire straits Nashville have Atlanta this weekend, which is like super fun for them like you're coming in in form They're not that is somewhat of a regional rivalry for you

It has been like a big brother II type thing it feels like early on even though Nashville's been arguably more consistent since they joined the league. And this is now this fun Nashville team that plays in a different way. And as you said, their fans have deserved a performance like this and experience like this. And I think for BJ Callahan, he's been very calm and settled that it hasn't all jumped off the page immediately. There is little crumbs inside of all of it of like, this is what we want it to look like. Nahar getting into this space, then Quaasin was her early. Now he comes in, there's a little more one v one danger, whether it's

Shaffleberg or Mule, like he has moved things around slightly. But overall, I think there's a lot of belief in what they're building. And they've let it grow as the season gone, it's gone along. So this is a really cool result for them. Let's move to the bad teams you just mentioned. Besides Chicago, maybe they didn't even have the worst weekend. Atlanta loses once again 3-0 and the LA Galaxy are one of three teams in Major League Soccer without a victory right now. Sorry, one of two teams in Major League Soccer without a victory right now. Montreal is the other one. We have talked about Montreal because they fired their coach The LA Galaxy lose 4-2 at home to the Portland Timbers who are now tied for the best attack in the league by the way

Nashville went from 12 to 19 on goals which got them right behind them in second place in one game Which is a pretty good course It was just like oh Nashville are now second in expected goals difference. It's like, that's pretty wild. In Portland, you know, have a good attack, but how worried are you about this Galaxy team? And in context, Atlanta lose 3-0. Let me give the quick stat here. Atlanta have not scored in three games.

They've been outscored 8-1 in their last four games and they currently now lost to Orlando in this one 3-0. Which one worries you more? I'm going to have to say the Galaxy. And that's not a vote of confidence for Atlanta, I want to be clear. So the Galaxy have three points up to ten matches. 24 matches left. They need to get like 42 points over those 24, like at least, right? Probably more.

So almost two points per game, which Garth says is the line of like, no one plays better than two points per game. Columbus are on 2.1 points per game right now, right? Like that's probably a fair run. Last season, Columbus was on 1.94 points per game. Last season, Columbus, the team that is really, really really good Lafc top of the Western Conference at 1.9 points per game you need to be the best team in your conference to maybe finish eighth and What have they shown that that leads you to believe like I? Give I've given so much leeway because it all makes sense and then again even without Ricky butchery That was gonna be hit, but they still have Pinto and Peck.

Peck's been bad, just hasn't been good enough. The defense, I thought that like the defense have been awful. It's just not good enough. Amir Garcis has not taken a step forward, he's taken a step back. Zonka hasn't been good, Yvshid has been hurt, right? Like the goalkeeping has been a disaster. So yeah at this point like it's completely bleak. At SKC, at Red Bulls, at Philly, those are the next three games. If they don't have seven points from there, as stupid as it might sound, in May of a Major

League Soccer season to rule somebody out, I think I'm ruling them out. The scariest part for the Galaxy for me is they've scored eight goals so far in MLS play. And that was supposed to be the thing that works even without Ricky Pooj and so they're bad defensively. You see that they're bad defensively. They were bad defensively last year but they controlled possession and they scored a lot of goals. I didn't think that part would completely disappear. I think we were on different sides of where we thought they'd land for the most part in the offseason and what they should do. I have said over and over, like,

this is supposed to be a build to contend for three or four years. But it is hard to figure out if they can keep it on the tracks through this. Having a bad year is okay. Having a historically bad year starts to become really difficult to keep everything together and keep everyone happy

to say like no with the bigger picture is still there. Like we still have an idea of where this is going to go. Well, Pooch is going nowhere to my best of my knowledge if I had to say something right now about that. I doubt that Painsil would be going anywhere. Like, even just if we want to like one, I know he's happy and maybe not in the current moment because the team's playing poorly, but he only got here 13, 14 months ago.

He's on a really strong contract, one that he left Belgium at a time where this was my big move and I don't doubt that he's going anywhere. Gabriel Pek, it's almost like in a weird way, I feel more confident that he's staying for longer because how bad he's been this year. How maybe bad is a little bit too strong. But you know what I mean? Like less than last year we were like, wow, will he get go for 20 25 million? Like right now it's you know, who's calling about that?

So I'm not still not worried about the long term. But I also wasn't worried about this season. And that's proven to be wrong. So yep, I think that's proven to be wrong so. Yeah I think that's fair I just think it's one of those where you have a setup with this team where it's like guys are probably gonna have to take less money than they could to be there because they want to win because it's fun because they want to live in LA and be a part of it because of the way your cap is stuck and it is hard to convince people to do that when if you have a terrible year people are unhappy or then other people look at

It and say well, I don't know that I really want to be a part of this Yeah, it becomes less the shiny thing that everyone's sort of like. Oh, yeah. No, you know, I want to win I want to go, you know, Christian Ramirez, for example, right? He wanted to go and be a part of the LA Galaxy like it was a good fit I don't know if you're as appealing to those players and I think they need to be because they don't have a lot of resources Otherwise to improve their team So that's some of the question mark the other then becomes the coach which is what everyone keeps asking us about it wants to talk About talked about it a couple times. I don't feel anything different. So I don't have anything for you here of

Do you know but again is this I think that I was that a proverbial dump truck coming into late. Lay the dirt down. Lay there down on this. Literally. Yeah. I mean, look like two things can be true of like, yeah, I generally feel this, but like, and you want to have convictions to your feelings, but new information of still being winless, 10 games, 20 goals concededed scraped by a little bit in

Champions Cup and like the it was almost like the best performance this season was that like two against T grace and it was like okay here we go like paint so impact like they had a great effort in Mexico in that second leg here like let's get all right maybe they're back here for Regular season and they just haven't been so at some point we need to talk about it Credit to the Atlanta United for getting away by not being as terrible as they like galaxy and therefore not getting dunked on In this segment, I do want to give a shout out to Orlando They didn't concede a goal in the month of April pretty impressive impressive. 200 draws in that is a little less exciting. But Alex Freeman's awesome. I think Pasalic is really special. It's been all the perfect signing for them to hit the ground running. And I do think watching them

the next few weeks and some of these closer matchups is going to be really interesting. And a little bit of news that Frisalsco Prea signed a new contract was that maybe now a couple weeks ago, Times 5 Circle. But the front office, Ricardo Moreira is now sporting director, Luis Muzi is special advisor to ownership. Really quickly they made a partnership with Bournemouth and Tim Pespichenko. So it's now Ricardo Moreira running the day-to-day and Luis Muzi is more the big picture, the ownership stuff.

So I think that's exciting times and interesting stuff for an Orlando City team that, again, when Muzi, Marrera, and Oscar Prea took over, this is a team who never made the playoffs before. And now here they are and they've sustained success over several different eras. It was the Nani team. And then Facundo Torres when they got younger. And now Marko Pasalic and the evolutions that have gone along the way that they've proved we can turn over a team both from

the front office of the coaching staff so More the same I think is is good stuff Even though the front office structure is gonna be a little bit different with again like they they shared responsibilities pretty heavily And I'm sure mousies input is going to be there But at the end of the day now it is Riccardo Marrero with that CSO title Yeah, we I think we're gonna have one of those people on this show. They were gonna try and have them Last week or two weeks ago and they were like, oh, we're actually yeah We're actually working on something and you're like, okay cool

And it was like, oh they're all getting new contracts and title bumps and it was like the day before that I was trying to do it and so understood that they didn't and I think for Anyone involved the fact that alex freeman and Carballo are breaking through through all of this of like there is a clear idea Of the future of the club being bigger than what it has been Not just nani style signings and not even just poslich and ohana style signings I think Facundo Torres is going to end up being a big piece of like the money He brought in the time it got the club to build up the Academy underneath him He's gonna be a really special moment. And so I love watching Freeman

I like watching this team right now and it's been a lot of fun on that note. I got to get you out of here Thank you to all of you for joining us live. Thank you to all of you for listening via podcast Please rate and review us wherever you listen subscribe to us on YouTube so you can find out live when we'll be on. We've got a special episode coming up for you tomorrow. NWSL side talking division two status and what happens there. We will have a reaction to the CONCACAF champions cup final as well. Working on some interviews for Friday to preview a big weekend in USL action as well. So thank you to all of you for listening and we'll talk to you again very

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