SoccerWise - The Officially Official USMNT World Cup Roster Reaction Show Presented by Soccer.com

Episode Date: May 26, 2026

As FOX officially revealed the USMNT World Cup roster, David Gass and Matt Doyle went live to hang out, talk soccer, and chat through the squad, the World Cup, and the state of the game in America ahead of the tournament this summer. A wide-ranging Soccerwise conversation ahead of the biggest tournament in the world.

What is up, everybody? Welcome to a special soccer-wise episode, David Goss and Matt Doyle with you as we are preparing to learn a thing we already know. What a day it is to be an American. The roster reveal show that has already been revealed is going to be revealed currently on Fox. If you're watching us live, if you are not, if you're watching later, we're going to talk soccer. So that's kind of what we wanted to do. It's kind of the point of everything we've put together over the course. course of the World Cup. We did it around the draw in December, which is, to me, these are the best events. I love this game. I love the World Cup. I like the international nature of it, the connection and all of that. Maybe I don't always love all of the points of coverage and news that we're going to have to cover around it. So we figured, screw it, why not just do it ourselves? And we hope that we're the place for a lot of people that they want and are looking for. So the official show is happening at Pier 17. My old haunts, used to live directly across the river from that

spot. I left so Fox could come in and clean up my mess and and live in it. Tommy Scoops is on the ground like a capital J journalist covering this thing. But we want to jump on and just take it as a time. We talked a bit yesterday about the roster, but just everything that's coming up. Yeah. I mean, the roster is is kind of old news at this point. And then I guess it's like we're gearing up. We're like getting into the spirit of things for the festivities to come. The wonderful K.I. us that is that is every World Cup and I think in in appropriate fashion as you were doing the intro I was reading about FIFA maybe suing Fox to to rescind their 2026 World Cup rights. This is an awful announcing article that's working off a report from New York Times,

Terak Panja, a colleague of Tom Boger, I should say. capital one kind of a rehash of of a story yeah i got sent this story and it was like everyone knew everyone knew a few things one ESPN is still unhappy with the way they felt the 2018 and on world cup bid for broadcast rights was handled which fox won which i think was a pretty big surprise for most people then after that fox was in for 2018 and 22 um and the Women's World Cup as well. And they, after the World Cup, it was announced that 2020 would be a winter World Cup, which has never happened before.

And therefore, changes the window that it exists in, which Fox had originally said, we'd love a huge event in the summer because we have the NFL, we have the World Series, we have all these other things. In the shifting of that, it felt like Fox had lost the value to what they had already paid for. And the understanding from everyone was then it was announced, with no bidding ever opened, that Fox would be the 2026 World Cup broadcaster. And the assumption was, and I don't even know if this was assumption, this may have actually been stated at times, was that FIFA did that as a make-good to Fox saying,

we screwed you on 2022. We didn't get the thing you bought for. So we're going to give you 26 as well, which is wild. Because the value of 2026 is so much higher than anything else I just talked about. And it's so mind-blowing that that's the add-in. So let me give you the actual data. And I've skimmed the awful announcing column. I haven't read what Terrick wrote.

But the network argued to FIFA that the rights were worth $425 million. This is for 2022. Only if the tournaments were played on their usual summer dates. So FIFA's make good to. Fox was giving the 2026 rights, not for free, but for $485 million. And to your point, $485 million, and to your point that that is wildly undervalued, according to Terricks reporting, industry experts estimate the true market value today of the 26 World Cup in the U.S., Mexico and Canada, had FIFA put the rights out to tender,

which they did not, at between one and $1.5 billion. So, I mean, Fox essentially paid one-third to one-half of the price of what could be. And then the original reporting here is not that. The original reporting is that FIFA really did consider at some point trying to take Fox to court to get out of this deal for 2020. sometime in the last couple years, wanting to break the contract, open it up for bidding. Because, I mean, with Apple out there,

Amazon, Netflix, not to mention still ESPN, somebody would have come in. Like if industry experts are saying $1.5 billion, I'm thinking they probably would have gotten 2.5 with streaming. So first of all,

shout out to everyone in the chat. We are going to be hanging out this whole time. Fox just put up a number. It's 23 minutes until the roster reveals. A roster that was. revealed four days ago. By the way, for anyone out there listening, we may have been having a little fun at Tom's expense on the show yesterday about the Guardian getting the full roster out there a little bit before him. It is a joke that we like to run. I love the Guardian. I love Pablo and Jeff. I'm very

excited for them. I'm excited for their inclusion in the soccer space. That was not the joke we were making. The joke was purely just to make Tom unhappy, which is what we do at our best. And to be fair, to be clear, that is not a joke to us. Making time. I'm unhappy is serious business. So please respect our values. Yes. And so, yeah, so we're going to keep talking as we wait for this roster that's already been revealed to be revealed once again, which is not shocking.

So on the broadcast side of things, obviously the value is, one, the tournaments here and two, the time zones. Like that's the whole ball game is primetime TV versus non-prime TV. And, you know, soccer in America has sat in an odd space. It's something that MLS built its business model on, which, was some and some owning the rights to a lot of European leagues. And the original pitch to a lot of broadcast networks was, well, you don't have anything on between 7 a.m. and noon.

Like, those are dead windows for you. So for a little bit of money, why not throw the Premier League on? I mean, LaLague is at 5 p.m. Because it's Spain and no one goes to sleep and all of that. It's a superior culture, my friend. Yeah, exactly. And Bundesliga and all of that. But primetime is what sells in the World Cup is the one event that gets you there.

and because of travel and whatnot, you don't control things. And 2023 for the Women's World Cup was a bad event for the U.S. because the team wasn't very good, wasn't prepared for that, you know, moment. But their games were either 11 p.m. Eastern Time or 6 a.m. Eastern time. Like if you were on Pacific Time, you basically didn't watch that Sweden knockout game with the double post and with, you know, a listener being eliminated and all of that. There's nothing you can do to control that from like a broadcast point of view. But the value here is this is going to be the best time zones you'll ever have for a World Cup.

And it will be the one event. There are additional events that maybe would happen in the summer that aren't because the World Cup is here and venues aren't open for it. And you're just not going to compete against it. Can I say something you that I thought about last week because I had a conversation with someone? And I will be very specific in saying, I understand, by the way, we'll talk about the team. We'll talk about all this stuff. We'll talk soccer. I understand who I am, which is I am a 35-year-old white male.

from Long Island who loves sports. So I am WFAN-N-pilled. I'm also ESPN-pilled. Like, I get that. I know that. But I do think it is more detrimental than I realized that ESPN lost the World Cup

coming out of 2014 as a driver of soccer. And ESPN has pretty much stepped away from the game. They have La Liga. They've had Bundesliga, which is mainly a streaming-only thing. To me, the pinnacle of soccer coverage

in America is the 2014 World Cup as a broadcast. Like that month, and a half of the voices they had, but the way they talked about soccer, not dumbing it down, not star-driven only. And the way they covered Brazil,

I think, is the best that we've had in America. And I do think that ESPN sort of like decides a lot of things. Like I say this all the time. This is my example. I watch the NFL. I'm a Jets fan, so it's like tough,

whatever. And the next portion of the show will be beginning soon. But I watch the NFL draft every year for at least like an hour. Because ESPN tells me to. Like ESPN tells me it's a big deal and it's a big event. And they cover it for six months and it's unheard of and it's insane. But it works. And I think if soccer had had that ground, not just the World Cups, but then the buildup to them and the coverage around them, it'd be better off then.

And I made this joke the other day. The Euro playoffs came out of Sarajevo on fire to Rob Stone and Alexei Lalas sitting at the smallest desk a human has ever built in the back. of the studio like in a dinky broadcast and that's the way it's been treated yeah and i i think that's a good point and i hadn't considered it like that i had always considered it from the the perspective of like how did mLS screw this up like how did how did mons not realize that fox is now super invested in soccer for for a decade and it MLS should have done more than just hang on. Yeah. Right.

MLS should have been like figuring out a way to become a premier property that's tied to the World Cup and maybe that means working with La Liga, working with the Bundesliga, working with, you know, non-EPF, you know, Syria and figuring out a way to tie in those contract rights as well, which they had done something like that with the foundation of some 25 years ago and saying, come to Fox, you know, what you lose on the front end, you will make up on the back end by becoming part of this soccer family in the U.S. And it all ties into the World Cup, which is the biggest showpiece that U.S. fans have. And we all do this together and we bury the Premier League because the Premier League is the one that is in the, you know, the Champions League as well is the one that is taking everybody, drinking everybody's milkshake.

And I don't think the vision was there starting in about 2015 in the MLS front office to kind of realize what was happening, right? They lost sort of the soccer forward part of their media brain. And I think that everybody's been playing catch up since then. And I think that this is all going to, I said it on, I think this show and I, maybe on a, you know, a few others. Yeah, I said it to Sews. That the one that is going, the organization that's going to benefit most from this World Cup is the Premier League. They're the ones that is best positioned to capitalize on the U.S. market.

And it crushes me. Like, it absolutely kills me. But it's just, it's a fact of how we've gotten here and where we are. based upon media rights and maybe a lack of vision from some parties. Shout out in the chat to Patrick Goulahan, who said in St. Louis celebrating Tim Riems' inclusion, originally at Amsterdam Tavern whose power just went out. So now shifting to second shift brewery. So shout out to having the bar and then having the backup.

The backup, yeah. For the moment, as always, shout out to Frank Dolan for being there with us in the chat. And then Tom Manzano says, the World Cup's been lacking hype and buzz. I feel that others have had. And I don't know if it's political landscape of America or what else, but maybe it's lack of advertising. And I think this is a topic that we're all sort of working with. And I had a friend text me a few weeks ago and was like, I actually am going to say,

I have World Cup energy. I have juice. I have a little bit of the fever. And I felt it too a couple weeks ago. And I think one of the things that maybe happens is we all thought this would be different. We thought that six months ago, the streets would be flooded. with soccer and that it would be soccer. And this World Cup would be different than any other World Cup.

Let me interrupt you. If I was Tom, this is where I would say, but we have the NICS. Ah, let's go. And obviously, everyone should be aware. Anyone who is a leading all-time yards getter for running backs, avoid them over the next four weeks. Because the Knicks are in the NBA final. The World Cup is the men's World Cup.

is back in the U.S. And last time this happened, OJ was driving around in a white Bronco. So if you know any NFL running back, oh my God, please avoid for the next four weeks. Yeah. For the next month. Exactly.

No one talked to C.J. Spiller or Priest Holmes or Willis McGehy. But I think now it's this is just the energy we're going to get is a normal World Cup, which is huge. And I think that's the part that finally hit me of like, how is this going to be different and perfect and better? And, you know, the game will grow for this because the game grows after every World Cup. Will it make the jump we thought it would? I don't know, right?

Will it be the thing that was this stratosphere thing? Maybe not. But I think soccer is going to be more popular in the U.S. in two months than it is now. And I do think from noon to midnight for the next four weeks, the thing people are talking about is going to be World Cup games. and Jalen Brunson being the greatest score in playoff history. I mean, I hope you're right. You know, on both those accounts, like I will root for the Knicks if you guys face O'KC. Like that is, I'm putting that out there.

If it's the Spurs, I'm rooting for the Spurs. God, all you're little like, Wembe is the little Yoda Jedi. We all have to do the Mandalorian and protect him. I'm a Steph Castle guy. I'm a Steph Castle guy. Right, right. You can. You see, like he's got real championship.

I'd agree. Not that fake Villanova shit. But no, I hope you're right. hope that the World Cup has the juice. I am not feeling it, but also I have burnout, right? I've been going pretty hard covering MLS since the, you know, start of February. And I need a week to recharge. And hopefully the Senegal game on Sunday, you know, helps me recharge those batteries. It's, it is hard, you know, we have, we have people in the chat saying it, the issues that the president, and the president is

if you like casting a shadow on all of this. It's hard for some of us to feel pride in the national team. I will say that, you know, Christian Pulisic has not scored for the national team since he did the Trump dance. He also had a terrible

second half of the season for A.C. Milan. So there's all this stuff weighing over it. As MLS people, it has been unjoyful watching Leo Messi in this. league the past two years. And I never felt that way about this. So like all of these things. You think so?

I do. Interesting. I think it's, I mean, so one thing is and our good friend Bobby said this to me, best of like, you need the Dallas Cowboys. You need someone for everyone to root against. And I think Messi has brought that a little bit. One of the issues with soccer in America is like everything is splintered out. There's multiple leagues in multiple languages. There's, you know, ethnic leagues across this country that have great, like, buy-in and intensity, but how do you connect them and how do you link them to people like playing or do they like watching, to people that like watching, like talking about it or hearing about it? Like, all of this is splintered.

And I do think Messi and Into Miami has brought a little bit, which is you can watch them and root against them. And it's like, there's a game every weekend that everyone tunes in for. And it is Into Miami. And because they play off the rails, it's worked, which is, what is that? everyone going to remember from MLS so far this season. They're going to remember Philadelphia Union and into Miami playing a six four game to close things out. Like that's going to be. I was going to say press and judge, but okay. Of course you were, which is why we do what we do here. But it has,

I think, changed things a little bit. I do know a good segment of people who don't really watch MLS who have watched him play. And I think that's brought them into the umbrella a little bit. the joyless part is that because when you get close and you see under the hood it's not as flowery as you thought it'd be so man i've watched a lot of barcelona you watch a lot i think you're a barcelona fan you always denied it but i think it was they were the team to watch for the first 10 years that i knew so i mean honestly that's part of it but it goes it does go back a long ways it goes back to 92 because claudio reina was so good in the 92 olympics in great Barcelona. Barcelona were the best team in the world at that time. Kroif tried to sign Claudio

Raina. And I was like, I was new to soccer at that point. I've never heard this. He turned down from UVA. Yeah, golf reported it after because the US Olympic team was really good that summer. And golf reported it for the Washington Post. There's quotes and it like reporting and everything that Claudia Raina turned down, Barcelona, the dream team, as they recalled at that point, to go play for Bruce Arena at UVA. turned down Johann Croix. I was like, this is my team, this is my guy,

they recognize American talent. So I've always had that soft spot. But to bring it back to the point, I watched probably 60% of those Pep and Luis Enrique era Barcelona teams. And then less so the back half of the 2020 or 2010s. but still like this was not the version of messy

that we watched then and I don't mean on the field I mean the extracurricular stuff like there was definitely some of that anytime any athlete in the world gets as big as he is as good as he is there's going to be extras that you have to deal with

but the messy that comes to MLS and refuses to do refuses to do media, runs coups on multiple coaches. Like the way he carries himself towards referee. I don't mind the shit that he did to or like the stuff that he did to Orlando City early in the season where he's like, oh, you want my autograph now? You scumbet. Like, yeah, I actually like that. But the way he carries himself towards referees, I don't like that at all.

What about the Obet Vargas, Pedro de la Vega stuff? So if it was a one-off, I would have loved it. Yeah. I would have loved it, but it's, it's not a one-off, right? Like, like he, he and his guys, and look, Luis Suarez being a part of it. Louis Suarez is, is not an enjoyable soccer soccer player to watch in so many ways. I'm a little, I don't know, maybe I'm being precious about it, but I'm a little tired of the whole thing. Eric Johnson in the chat says, Messi isn't playing against the best quality in MLS that he should be. The roster salary, parity rules are slap in the face to natural growth. Messi arrived with MLS having fewer restrictions. It could be different. It's an interesting point, right? And that's part of a real good point.

In our niche for what we all believe, there was supposed to be this runway. And the runway, it did feel like, had started with the announcement of 2026 being here, which was, okay, here's our chance. What's the plan? What's the 10-year plan? And the 10-year plan was to increase the quality of the players in the national team. The 10-year plan was to increase the presence of the league here, to grow the league. and then to be able to platform off the back of this into something that probably wouldn't happen.

Otherwise, with the incremental growth that had been happening over the last 12 years. Because we can't forget. Like, teams were collapsing in 2005 and 6 and 7, and MLS cups were played in empty NFL stadiums or RFK, which I don't know what we call that, but whatever it was. And then the Galaxy were the only ones capable of hosting, and the league got smaller before it got bigger. and so there has been growth over the last 16 years. Like you cannot deny that in any way.

And it's in a better place. And there are clubs that exist in markets that we had no idea we're capable of supporting them. And so there's a lot to like there. But the last eight years have felt wasted to an extent where, yes, messy came in. And that should have been when Beckham came in, the Beckham rule was created. And that brought in a subset of players and changed the spending and changed the league and push things.

And the messy version was supposed to happen as well. And not just because of him. It wasn't, okay, now everyone gets a cut of the broadcast deal, but it was, okay, now the league's ready for the next jump. And even the schedule change happening next year, when you have a natural break of a World's Cup this year, because they just couldn't get themselves in order in time, is so ridiculous and painful. But the league hasn't made the jump. It could. And I say this in talking, and I know you do, to a lot of executives who, like, they're making good moves.

Vancouver's going out there and signing good players for what they have. they would just like to be able to sign more or be more open and be more creative about it. And so I think that complaint is fair, which is the league hasn't made the jump. And I say this in one of the other contexts, which is I've been talking to a lot of people about Mexico over the last week because we're going to do a bunch of coverage around Eltree. And I watch the Mexico Ghana game and I've been watching the Legia. And like, there's this complaint that Mexican players don't go to Europe. And the complaint is oddly stated to me because it's like, well, they're valued at so high.

Well, no, they get paid a lot of money because a lot of people care about their teams. It's like this whole like monster behind the in the closet is like, well, what do you do about this? It's like, yeah, the player wants to be a millionaire and play in front of 50,000 people and not playing in the Belgian League in front of no one for a quarter of the money. But Mexico's best bet, if they're not going to change that, like radically, is to improve League of MX. And I do think League of X has improved over the last five, 10 years, like drastically. Like what Tigris has done in Monterey has done. And that's like, okay, what is their best case future? The league grows.

So therefore the quality of players inside that league grows. So therefore the quality of players they produce grows. It doesn't feel like there's another side of that on the MLS side where it's like, yeah, this is our plan. And this is what we're doing at the same time. And we're going to continue to grow because of that. Yeah. And I think the underlying cause there is the inflexibility.

with the roster rules. And it kind of goes back to the lack of soccer vision from certain decision makers that I think has stunted the growth of the league and to a lesser extent, the sport in America. So I do think MLS, to be clear, is better than it was five, six years ago. But I think that's a residual of what happened in 2007

with the academy initiative. You know, that is starting to pay. real dividends and we're seeing that across the league has almost nothing to do with any decision that's happened over the last five years and that's a disappointing thing and maybe my the lack of joylessness i'm the lack of joy i'm feeling from watching messy play and the joylessness with which he's carrying himself and that miami team has carried itself until recently i think um i don't know maybe maybe it's all downstream of that and maybe it would all feel different if MLS had made the same type of jump that League at Maki's has since 2020.

And one of the things that I think I'm at fault sometimes on this as well is the academy structures is the big increase. It's the big improvement. It's a massive win. They've done a really, really good job with it. And I think sometimes it's like all or nothing on some of these conversations. and it's not everything. A lot of these players, not a lot of these,

some of these players would have made it anyway if it didn't exist because Claudio Raina is a special soccer player. And he came up in an environment that played soccer. And UVA had a great soccer program and he went on to play for some great teams and was captain in Europe. Like it is not that none of these players would have made it. And for some of the qualities that I think it's improved,

which is it seems to have geared a little bit less towards pure physical development. and early physical development into more technical quality and players with more soccer IQ, you've probably missed some players as well because players have kind of been pushed out early and there's probably a feeling for some athletes of like, well, if I'm not in that group,

I'm never going to make it so I give up. So there is still like a lot of work to be done. It's one of the reasons that I'm such a huge proponent of college soccer of like there's just these like 300 world class facilities that people could play soccer at until they're 22 and either end up becoming a Wall Street, you know, who loves soccer or they could go on to be a coach or a referee or whatever or potentially play again, which is what we're seeing in San Jose. You're going to see with Tim Riem as he gets announced

whenever he gets announced and a couple of these other players as well. But you do see the fingerprints of the academy structure in this team, right? Ricardo Pepe, Brendan Aronson, Giorina, even Alejandro Zendaya's back in the day. I watched Weston McKinney as a 14-year-old play for Lucci Gonzalez in the academy in like a loaded Dallas team that ended up pushing other players through. There is a lot of examples of the changes in the landscape of the game that this team is a model for. And I think that part is pretty exciting. Yeah. And you know, the list goes on, Tyler Adams, Chris Richards in his way. And, you know, Chris Brady, Matt Freeze. It is the big win of the past 15 years, the biggest win of the past 15 years for MLS as far as I'm concerned.

And it is the reason why if there is a bright future for the U.S. national team, and I do think there is, the MLS Academy system is the biggest reason why. It's not Matisse Albert. You know, like he's a nice prospect, but he's not like you cannot count on that type of thing. even if he turns into a better version of Christian Polisic, which I don't think is going to happen. You can't, like that is not a sustainable way to build a top national team.

You need the assembly line of talent. You need as many dice rolls as possible. You need 30 academies chugging along. And yeah, that means going to need something from USL as well. You're going to need input from those types of teams down the pyramid a little bit. And I am convinced that we're in a better place with that now than we were five years ago. And I think we'll be in a better place five years from now. It's just a little bit of cold comfort given that the national team has zero chance at winning this World Cup.

And that it doesn't feel like MLS is going to capitalize it in a way that could put rocket fuel into the gas tank as has been said. Don't do zero chance. Don't do zero. You don't know that. You don't know that. You don't know what will happen. Here's one of my things. We're going to do some,

so we're going to do a lot of World Cup coverage. We're going to have a daily show every single day. For the most part, you're going to be on with me. Sue's is going to be on. We've got a lot of our friends that will be joining us. Tom will be calling in at times when he's out on the West Coast. We're going to have experts for different teams of friends that we know so that we can cover some of the teams that we're most interested in.

We'll have people at games that we'll be tuning into. So we'll have a lot of fun stuff. So every day 9.30 a.m. Eastern Time will be live. And then it will come out as a podcast, ASAP across soccer-wise, first touch all of our different feeds. And then we're going to have more that we're going to be doing, as Tyler Adams gets announced as a player on the World Cup and one that I'm very excited about. But I do believe, so if you look at Korea 02, and you look at, one, what South Korea did

and what it did for Japan, but also Turkey making it to a World Cup semi-final. If you look at South Africa in 2010, to a lesser extent, Brazil, because it's South America, And now, and then Qatar, every time a World Cup isn't in Europe and Brazil, because Brazil is like the only South American country for the last 40 years, something weird happens in a World Cup. I'm not saying it's the U.S., but I do think we're going to have a first time semifinalist. I don't really know what to do with the extended tournament and the third place team and the round of 32.

There's a couple theories here. One is it leads to more strength for the teams with depth, and it just makes it even more unlikely that there's upsets. My theory on the other side is for a lot of these players who play in a World Cup that aren't, you know, the Blue Bloods, and you and Bobby broke this down for me really well in 2020 of like, there are 12 teams that win games at the World Cup. No one else wins.

Everyone else loses to them. By the time you figure it out, you're gone. Like you come in, you give up a goal early in the first game. You lose that game, so you have to chase the second game because you have to, have to win to stay in. And because you have to chase, you go down again one zero and you find your feet 60 minutes into the second game and you're already eliminated. And so I wonder with having this third place game where basically every team is going to be a win and in situation by the third game of the group stage, because most likely three points will get you through. If then

some teams find their feet and are able to put together a result in the round of 32 against an opponent that they have no business doing it with because they're four games in and they've been around and now they get it a little bit and they understand the pressure. It's a good theory and I think it'll apply more to the round of 32 than the round of 16. Because we've seen this format before. Like it's just doubling the 2014 World Cup format that we had in, I want to say, 86, 90. Yeah, but the global nature of the game back then was different. How so?

There is a wider talent spread globally because mainly, I think, to, has allowed you to scout and bring in players. You go through these rosters. I mean, there's a Premier League player on Uzbekistan. Like, these were just things that were impossible back then. And so you could have great teams of, like, local veterans that no one knew about, where Algeria shows up to a World Cup and outside of Majer, shout out to a friend of mine, no one knows who anyone else is.

But on the flip side, you have players playing across the world for some of these countries that you just couldn't have. Well, I think that's true. I think the to an extent, I think that the flip side is the insular nature of the game back then made it possible for North Korea 1966 to happen, right? Where it's like nobody knows who these guys, nobody's got out of them and they just showed up and played their way all the way to the semifinals. And then the big breakout, the one that sort of connected those two aspects of it were Cameroon

in 1990. And to your point, I think they were a third place team in the group. I think they, if I'm, maybe it was Costa Rica who advanced as a third place team back then. But like one of the big surprises from 90 was like they did exactly what you said. They played their way into it in the group stage, got hot and then, you know, left a mark in the round of 16 and beyond. The number one third place team in the 1990 World Cup was Argentina. that is absolutely wild which does go so Costa Rica got second in their group

Scotland finished third Cameron finished first one point ahead of Romania and Argentina so Cameroe beat Argentina at the San Sierra Argentina beat the Soviet Union and then drew Romania in the final game so they got through as a third place team which ended up being Brazil Argentina in the round of 16

which is wild oh my god yeah it um so and maybe this ends up helping the big teams right which is they can go and they can be in third gear in the group stage and then figure it out after

which is made i've been playing with this bracket la men yamol does not have to play in the group stage he's not going to yeah he'll he'll might he'll get the final half hour of the final game and then he'll maybe go 45 minutes in the round of 30s. Like this unquestionably helps the biggest and best teams. Now, France feels so dysfunctional. It might not be enough to help them, but also France has so much talent that they figure out every World Cup now. They just figure out how to how to bring it to bear and make some kind of run. And like I think just having more games is is better for a team like that. Just is.

Um, although when France, you know, when it, when it falls apart for France, it falls apart. It's pretty spectacular. So if that's the case of what happens. And listen, I think they start with Norway. Sorry, they start with Senegal. Then they play Iraq. Then they play Norway. So the, the France, Senegal game is the biggest day of your life.

I do have tickets to that game. I'm going with my entire family. My mom told us that it would be an event. And then the Knicks will play. I'm pretty sure based off how long I think travel will take. around this thing, I will pull into Penn Station as the Knicks would have to tip off if a Spurs, Oklahoma City was lucky enough to push a series to a game six. But I've never seen a team win 11. Have you seen a team win 11 in a row in the playoffs before? Oh my God. Yeah. Greatest point

differential in postseason history. So it's it's a lot to you with. And I think maybe that positivity for me can sort of spread out to all of us across all of this because that's what we're doing here. I've got my U.S. shirt on from 2022. 2022 was job was job well done, right? They had to get back. They had to establish who they were. They got out of the group stage.

They inspired some people. A few guys like Tyler and Christian became bigger stars than what they were going into it. They got to the knockout rounds. What's the goal then? Now, like what, what's the standard? A step further. A step further. If they make it to the quarter finals, it's a success.

if they make it back to the round of 16 and they play one of the giants and they lose again, but they play really well, I think that's a success as well. If they get absolutely bombed off the field like what happened against Portugal and Belgium, then no, you throw it all in the trash and the whole project, this past cycle, was a failure between that kind of loss and what happened in Copa, Copa America, then you say this was yet another missed opportunity. What do we do with the round of 32? Because so many, as we've done the history,

we've done our Biopac shows, is like, oh, they've never won a knockout game. Is this a knockout game? Yeah, it's a knockout game. But if Mexico wins it, did they break the curtain, and loses in the round of 16, did they break the curse? I mean, it feels like they did,

but we all know that what Mexico is really talking. about is getting to the quarter finals. Yeah. Right. So there's a shorthand for the type of curse that they've had, but there's like the long hand is finishes one of the top eight teams in the world, take that next step and they've never done it. And so if they break the curse and win a knockout round game, that is joy, right?

That is like you celebrate that moment. But we all know that you have not accomplished the actual thing that you want. and that Mexico, a country of 120 million people with a great soccer infrastructure and history should have accomplished by now, which is make it at least of the quarter finals. Chris Brady looks 46 years old. He looks like he is going to work a union shift. No, I like that. I like that in a keeper.

That is what we want. He looks like he drove the bus of the players to Pier 17 for them to have this event. So far from what I've been watching, they are all the players that were on the list that I've already read from The Guardian four days ago. So so far it doesn't seem like any big surprises. If Mexico, by the way, were to win their group and continue to win on, they would play England in the quarterfinals at the Esteka, which is one of the ones circling.

If teams win... I never root for... I never root for Mexico. Yeah, me neither. I would root for Mexico on that one. 100%. To watch England die in altitude. My fucking summer.

I'm going to have to choose between the Knicks and OKC. and they're going to have to choose between Mexico and England. Oh, God. Yeah. Now they're doing a song at the U.S. soccer thing. We talked about the roster a lot yesterday. Anything you've been thinking about, anything else that sort of pops up to you. We have, you know, a question, can this team go deep with this roster?

A few questions. If you have any specific ones, feel free. Seb Burrhalter got interviewed coming out. He's the only one. I'm no idea what that's about, but I'm here for a little sub Burrhalter. Walter Love. I mean, you know, we kind of kicked around the idea on the show that he might be a starter. Yeah, I think I misread from everyone else. I don't think it's guaranteed that Wes and McKinney's a center mid all the time. I just, and a lot of that is just, it's not the correct idea to me.

He's a game breaker. Like, it is non, not conventional for a world soccer 10 or attacker or whatever. Wesne McKinney's a gamebreaker. He is enigmatic. Whatever the phrase you like to use with that, it's just a little bit different than how other players are that way. That doesn't make him a center mid. And I think having the responsibility there for him is bad. So in my mind, I look at this and say, Roldon started against Paraguay last year, Burrhalter started in the Gold Cup.

To me, it meant Pochitino trusted those guys. But no one else read it that way. I mean, it's a good point. I hadn't, look, Roldan not only started against Paraguay, he started was man of the match against Austroids. Maybe maybe Poach's like clearly Pochino read a lot into the March friendlies. Maybe he decided to read a lot into the October friendlies as well or November, whenever those two were.

But for all of Weston McKenney's usefulness playing multiple spots, his best position is still as a number eight, right? Like you said, he is a chaos agent. He will go anywhere he wants on the field. And maybe that isn't the perfect way to mesh with Tyler Adams. but we've also seen him be really disciplined when he needed to be like his 2022 World Cup performance. He was really locked in and disciplined in that position for the U.S. And he hit that pass before the pass on the political goal against Iran.

Like he did the job and maybe that's what Pach has decided. Now, I would feel a little bit better about that if we had seen him play that position a little more often in these friendlies. but we got 180 minutes coming up against two really good teams and maybe Pochitino's, you know, relying on that. If he doesn't play as number eight, that makes the criticism of Pocitino's squad selection and how thin it is in central midfield, even more urgent and even more on point.

You can't go into a turn, even when you have a week between games, You can't go into a tournament with only three central midfielders because of the reason I laid out on Monday show, which is Tyler Adams pulls his hamstring in the 65th minute of the game of game one. Roldon comes in picks up a yellow, picks up a second yellow in game two. And now there are no more defensive midfielers. You're rolling in there with a couple of eights in a must win game three in Weston McKinney and said Burrhalter. And if that happens, we'll lose. and it'll be the coach's fault.

The way everyone's, the way you walked through that moment, I had the vivid reaction to. I remember in 2014, we had recorded extra time at the old MLS Digital Studio and I was leaving, I believe,

to go with my family on a, like, weekend trip. And then the roster dropped that Landon had been left out. And as we like, redid it and prepped and I'm trying to like run some notes and figure stuff out and help out, someone, you know, and many people did this, but I just remember one of our friends who's

artwork behind you, Devin Blueler, was sitting next to me and laid out the scenario of you're losing, you're down a goal, you need a goal, it's late. You don't need minutes. You don't need legs. You need a finisher. And who in the world would you rather have that's American than Landon Donovan? We like talk through the whole thing. Obviously, Brad Davis. Yeah, right. And I still vividly remember it. And then we know what ended up happening when you get to the World Cup. And it's the same way people are talking about this. And as I said on Monday, the big thing that pops out to me is like, it's also not like, oh, but so and so and so can play in there. And there's these four other options, which maybe it's not ideal, but like they play there for their club or

they've rotated in there or they grew up at that position. There is like Tom said Chris Richards, which I think is crazy. There is no one in that category. Richard's played like seven games as a D-Mid three years ago. And also he's irreplaceable for us at centerback. Also, he didn't keep playing after that because he wasn't great at it and got him off the field for a while before he worked his way back in

as a centerback. And as you said, he's the most important piece of the backline. Like, I think the like jokes about Brennan Aronson are probably the most accurate ones. Like, that's your emergency situation is him or Malik Tillman goes in there and that's where they play. Yeah.

Two guys who can't trap or pass a soccer ball sick yeah but you know they both they both cost place for mighty meat yeah right so they've got that uh going for them uh red red coin says i don't understand why we didn't call in morris or testament and yeah i think that's the frustration i mean like look i had testament in my starting 11 i think that one is understandable because he was so bad in march and and potch needed to send a message morris has to be there as the breaking case of emergency third string defensive midfielder. It's just irresponsible not to have that.

10 defenders. Yeah. And I think even more highly of him. I think I'm kind of one of the ones who's highest on him, especially in this team. And I think especially with the group stage, with the teams they're going to play, his confidence to be on the ball and ask for the ball

and want to try and break lines and like all the things he does that I think we could use, especially in the group stage. J-PON asks, so the two upcoming friendlies U.S. has before the actual World Cup just pop. given actual starting lineup or does he do pieces to not give anything away so Senegal on Sunday 3 30 p.m. Eastern time we'll do a live post game show after that we're going to be back on on Thursday with Tom we're going to talk through some of the

big things to watch for the summer from an MLS point of view some of the Phil Neville has been fired so some of the coaching openings some of the big transfers that could happen some things to watch and then we'll do some Senegal preview as well there but in general what do you make of how Potch handles these and the group you kind of end up seeing. So it's March 31st, June 6th, and then the U.S. opens the World Cup on June 12th. Yeah, it's got to be something close to what he thinks

is his best 11 in both games, right? Like, you probably rest Richards, who I guess is starting right now for Pallas in the conference league final, which is good news. But you probably give him some time off. The rest of the guys on the field have to be the guys that you're thinking

are going to play the biggest. role. So Pulisic in the starting lineup, if it's Zendayaas playing as a half space, like, let's get him in there from the whistle. And, you know, I want to see Balligan. I want to see Adams and McKenney get reps together. I want to see whether it's Dest or Wea or Freeman at right wingback. Like get these guys reps together because we haven't seen enough of that in over the course of this cycle. And I know that there's still a lot of familiarity in, in this. In this. group because they've been together in one way or another for so long. But there's not a lot of familiarity in this group under Maricio Pachitino.

Yeah. Like, just haven't been a lot of chances for whatever reason for the first team guys. And I know Pudge Bristles is that, but let's call it what it is, the first team guys together in games of consequence. These are just friendlies, but they are unquestionably games of consequence. So the conference league is tomorrow. Oh, okay. I knew it was at 3 p.m., but not today. So it sounds like Richard's like fully training and all of that stuff.

Dr. Doyle called it right. It was just a spring. Yeah. Honestly, if you had gotten that side of your career, you'd be fine. You wouldn't have to do shows with me at 3.m. on a Tuesday. You could have just followed the medical degree. So my thought is, I think Senegal has to be your best 11 or what you think it is. The six days between Germany and whatever, okay, there could be some rotation.

you could convince me like, we'll do this piece for 35 minutes, we'll do this piece. But I think it has to be to everything you said, I think it has to be together one time. Yeah. I think you have to like work on it a little and be like, this works or this doesn't. And if it doesn't, then maybe the second game, it's not the real backline, but you tweak what you have in the attack and you put it together. So I think the Richards situation is the confounding factor in that because if he plays in the conference league, which again, I guess is tomorrow and blah, blah, blah, blah,

then you don't go with the starting back line against Senegal. That makes it more urgent to get 65 minutes at least against Germany. I think you have to go into this process with the idea that you're going to get 65 minutes against Germany with your best 11 on the field. And the Senegal, you get as close to it as you can 65 minutes against Senegal. That game will be in Charlotte, by the way. we had some questions about replacements. So June 1st is when the actual official World Cup roster has to be submitted to FIFA.

Everyone has to come from the provisional groups that already came out. So I guess up until then you can change. I believe you can change an injury after that up until you debut. But that is different from here is the 26 players we are bringing to the World Cup, which has to be submitted on June 1st.

And then technically is announced by, on June 2nd. Spoilers. You're like two and a half weeks late on that one. I hope they do a TV show with Stu at Beer 17 after that one. That one will really get the people going. So Pochitino had said, I don't want to bring players in that are training. So for example, Jesse Marsh right now has 32 players in Charlotte, North Carolina. He will cut that down to 26 on Friday is when he is planning to make the official announcement. From my understanding and everything I've heard, like the players in that group don't know. So they are in training playing against each other trying to create a difference to get to the World Cup. And some of them will

have to be told in person that they won't be coming, which is a really like emotionally tough thing to do. You could just send an email. Then you don't even have to worry about the conversation, which I don't know. Yeah. I don't know what to say. We interviewed Greg Vanney last week because so Vanney was left off two World's Cup rosters. One was an injury the day before they last. in which he was a replacement player and then injured. The other one in 2022, he felt like he should have made it and he didn't. Bruce just didn't call. 2002.

Yeah. I said 2022. You did. Bruce just didn't call him in. And so he talked a lot and I've heard him speak in the past, which is why we asked him about that experience and the way it should be done. And he has, I think, reached out to players who have experienced it separate from him when he's seen it happen from afar to talk them through the experience.

there's no great way to do it. But it feels like an odd culture thing. And I saw Joe Larry say this and I think it's great. It feels very much like someone who is not going to coach these players in August and September. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That is that is abundantly clear. Like why why does he care about maintaining a good relationship with Diego Luna?

Yeah. It's like Diego Luna is not going to play for Tottenham Hesper or whoever, you know, whatever team that, Pouch Tino ends up coaching next. So it's, I think that was, that's been obvious for a while. And look, there, there's, there's been reports of maybe a little bit of disinterest from Pach over the, the year and a half, almost two years that he's been in the job. Like, he's, he's doing the job. But I don't think anybody has felt like he, um, is putting his, his entire soul into it.

I have heard that he was promised dates with the training center that were not followed, that the belief was that the training center in Atlanta would be open already, and it would be a central point for them to work from and would sort of give the platform that is the reason they built it. Like the national team has never had a home before and a space to sort of fit like permanently build out of whether that is your scouting network and what you want to do there, whether it's where you're bringing players into, whether it's for health testing reasons, like whatever it is. And then as that got delayed, which I believe it just opened.

Officially, I think technically it opened around the March window, but I think officially it finally just opened. There was frustration there that it felt like the other side of the bargain wasn't held up. And the assumption is that coaches will have to live there in the future, but because it wasn't done,

or maybe because he's Marizzovichita. Live at the training center? Yeah, he lived in Spain. He lived on an island in Spain and watch soccer games on TV. Like not a great not a bad gig but yeah it it all goes to I think the original conversation

we had which is the way he has acted because of what was necessary because of mistakes that were made in the past it hasn't been the ramp up that it could have been like he has not been this ambassador of the game that has become this American hero and you know he hasn't become the face of the sport here

and maybe that never should have happened but the idea was like you bring someone in at this level because they could. And he went to an Ohio State game and I guess that's enough. So I think the idea was less that and more we need to bring in a top coach who will turn our very young round of 16 team into a in their prime quarterfinal team. And I think it was absolutely the right outlook on how to hire a coach. and I think that Pachitina was a great get given his background.

And if it doesn't work out, I don't think it's because the process or the thought process was wrong. I think the thought process was probably better than the actual process to be clear. But it, you know, not everything, not every good process or thought process ends with a good result. It is disappointing, though, to your point that things have been so slow. and slip shot and that because of the, frankly, underwhelming performance of this group of players, this cycle,

there hasn't been a chance to sort of rally the fan base and start feeling good vibes about the whole thing. And the Copa America was a big miss there because there's no World Cup qualifying. Like there are no meaningful games to play. I understand there's Gold Cup and Nations League, and we've won those. So we're not going to value them the way we could.

And to me, that's where all the mistakes were. The plan coming out of 2022 was a mistake. because the plan to wait to see what happened in 2022 was the mistake. Guess what? You're playing in the next World Cup because you're hosting it. You already know you're there. You don't have to see the result.

And that was the mistakes that were made. And then the year and a half for two years that followed that kind of threw a lot of this up in the air. Speaking of, Jesse Marsh, contract extension to 2030. Good for him. Honestly, he seems to really love it. I said to my Canadian friends, I'd be shocked if Jesse Marsh coached the World Cup, the Canada team at the 2030 World Cup.

That's not like a bad thing. I think if it goes really well, he'll leave. Or he'll burn it to the crown on the way out. Jose Marino style. I just don't know that there's an in-between. And that's not like, you know, Jesse didn't at Red Bull. Like, it's not like, oh, it only ends one way with Jesse. I think in Europe obviously it wasn't really his decision.

And I don't even know that it ended in a way at Leeds where it's like bad blood or anything like that. I just think he pushes people. He's going to try and push the program. He's going to try and keep making people feel uncomfortable and push the sport. And I think he's done a lot of the things you want. Like he has gone to these regional camps to talk with coaches.

He has done media. He has pushed the team out of Toronto into other regions. He is trying to get results. I just think that rubs people. And so it goes two ways. It goes so well. And I hope Canada finds a way into another Copa America as a guest team. Like I feel, I think that's a need.

but it goes well enough, which is one, he wins a trophy, whether it's Nations League or Gold Cup for Canada would be huge. I hope they get to a Cope of America. It goes so well that he's going to get another job. Like, let's be real. He's not going to stick around and do a second World Cup if he doesn't have to. And that could be a good thing. There could be a succession plan in there of someone he's working with

and it feels good. Or if it doesn't, all the stuff I just said is a lot less endearing when the team's not winning. Right. I think that there's enough talent that they're going to keep winning. I worry about the players maybe tuning out the coach because it is a style of soccer that not every player loves to play. And we saw it at Red Bull, we saw it in Europe,

like guys would rather possess the ball and knock it around and change tempo a little bit than go a thousand miles an hour every time into every 40-60. We're not even talking 50-50s here. And without that, the system doesn't work and that wears players down. I hope that I'm wrong about this. I like Jesse personally.

We were lucky enough back 2014 to work with him for an entire month covering that World Cup and let me tell you, he put everything into it. He cares. Yeah, I've worked with a lot of coaches, a lot of people on sets. I worked with one coach who was in between jobs and literally as we're analyzing the leagues cup together on a late night show. he's got his phone open and he's calling an Uber getting an Uber to take him home and we still have 15 minutes left in the show

so not everybody cares Jesse Marsh would never have done that he treated everybody with respect and I hope that that leads to a great summer with Canada and I hope it leads to a great 2030 with Canada if he you know given the the contract he just side because he deserves it so Canada was S27 YE whatever says we do not like Canada, screw them. I'm partial, so unfortunately, if you're listening to the show, you're going to get a little bit. Just to note, so Canada, they start with Bosnia and Herzegovina at home in Toronto, which is the largest Bosnian community in Canada.

I think it's the third largest in North America. So it's going to be a vibe, one. If they were to win their group, any point to LL doesn't matter, and the results go, I think, the way many of us see it, there's a decent chance their round of 32 games against Austria, which will be Ralph Rognick against Jesse Marsh in a World Cup knockout game, which is like delicious for all of us. Ralph Ragnick was his mentor. He's the one who brought him through the Red Bull system.

He's the one who brought him to Leipzig. He's the one who brought Chris Armist to Manchester United. That is as closely tied. And then if people were to win their games in groups, I believe it would be Canada, Portugal, which if you've ever been to Montreal, Toronto, you know how big of a game that would be as well. only thing bigger would have been Canada, Italy, as the opener, which potentially could have happened, but Bosnia. Where's Italy based in this World Cup?

Yeah, it's a great question. Did you see Luca Colioho got called up for the most recent camp? Because they have friendlies, which is like, we've lived this. We talked to others a couple of times 2018, though like friendlies to go to a World Cup. I think the U.S. went and played France in France on the way to Russia. I think Tim Wea has scored. Yeah.

And Zach Stephan made a great save that, like, he feasted on for four years. Italy are based in Sardinia for vacation is what we got. Shout out, McKellie. Yeah. We're very excited to have McKellie with us for the summer as well. By the way, my Fox just immediately flipped over to local news in Florida. And this has happened to me a couple times with Champions League. It's different than local news in New York.

It is a vibe every single time. like someone's screaming about an alligator in a firestorm. Okay, we, we've had fun. I'm really excited for the World Cup because I'm excited to get to talk soccer with everyone. The one thing, as I have said, that will happen is the entire planet will be watching the same thing for the only time every three to four years. And it will be the New York Knicks in the playoffs.

It will be these games. And we will be on every single day with time to just chat about it and enjoy it. And revel in it. I said this for all this. soccer-wise nerds out there, like, Stephen Morera is going to score a goal in a World Cup game, or Esmere Barak-Terevich is going to lead Bosnia in a World Cup game, and it's going to be like, that's my guy. And so for all of the, like, whatever this team ends up looking like on the U.S. side or Canada,

I think there's going to be some really fun moments for all of us, and we're going to get to cover the global game, which we don't always get to do, and we're going to get to talk about the best players in the world and some of the biggest tactical ideas and some of the biggest controversies and everything else in between. I've got a Columbia jersey. I've got a Portugal warm up. I've got a Senegal warm up. I'm going to be going to two Senegal games.

So like, come on, the face of Senegal right here. And so it's going to be really, really fun. We had fun doing this one. So as I said, we'll have our NWSL show tomorrow on the podcast feed. And then Thursday we'll be back around 2 p.m. Eastern time with Tom. We will talk through some MLS stuff. We will do our full. we'll do our full USM&T

Setagall preview as well and now we're getting the lists of people naming dudes Cucho got called up which was controversial and questionable you know who else got called up Andres Gomez yeah he's with Sao Paulo now because I know it didn't okay yeah it didn't work out with him

in France but if you can do it in the Brazilian league you're probably really good and he was really good in MLS as well We had a question earlier. Speaking of MLS, guys, did you see Belgrano won the, the Argentinian title for the first time in their lifetime? Lucas Zelarion, Emiliano Rigoni both started for that team in the file. Holy crap. Yeah.

Also, didn't know Zellerian was in, was in Argentina. Yeah, neither did I. Just check the box score for that one. Lucas Lerian's time. We're naming some guys. Lucas Lerian's time. with the Armenian national team is standalone Weeby's favorite moment in soccer history right by itself.

We did get this question earlier. Do you think there will be a came and played in the World Cup and therefore signs an MLS large cohort, whether that's MLS owner hears about a guy, their son tells them that they saw a highlight on TikTok and now you have to sign him or players come and say, oh, this was actually really nice and I want to stay. I mean, I think both those things will happen. I actually, I think that Pulisic and McKenny end up and Waya all end up in MLS after this World Cup.

Does after mean six months, one month, or four years? I think one or six months. Either the summer window or the winter window. How many of the three guys you just named would you sign as a DP? Wes and Pulisic for sure probably Waya too. Well, Way is the question because Marcia has said every player is available for purchase.

And when it happened immediately, I was like, oh, interesting. And Timwaya is an obvious one. I just, as a DP, I don't know that he changes the game enough for you. I agree with you. I agree with you. So that's where it gets hard.

Well, what I would say is if you're R.S. and you sell Zavir Gozo for $14 million, you then just pick that up and get a replacement right wing back and say, all right, Tim, you get to attack 98% of the time you're on the field. It is so crazy how much money RSL is spending this summer based on all of the year.

It's just one dude. You know, there's just a couple million on a wingback like every team in MLS does. Yeah, those are interesting names. I would be, I mean, Weston just signed the contract. Christian's entire identity seems to be the club he plays for and like what status they're at. I mean, that club is getting burned to the ground this summer.

Like, they just cleared everybody out. And you know the way the season ended. And with the way Christian played, he's on the block. We just got which one fits best in Chicago with Greg? I thought West would be the one. I honestly thought the fire would sign Wes as a DP last summer. I thought that made a lot of sense. Just give them the keys to the whole damn thing.

And that's the fear. It's just, and it's the same with a lot of DPs. It's guys who are really good at their level. Can they be the guy at a team? And that's like a cultural thing and a soccer thing. Can you pull the strings? Can you run the hole? And I think we've seen like in Portland right now, the limitations,

which is the guys are physically good enough to be the best player on the field. but they were bit pieces at most of their clubs or other side pieces. And I don't know why I keep using those phrases. It got worse as I went along. And then they can't figure out how to write the ship. Okay. Well, we got sucked into that conversation. There's about 500 other conversations I could get sucked into.

We've got plenty more time to talk about all this stuff over the next month. Huge shout out to soccer.com as our presenting sponsor on all U.S. soccer stuff that we're going to be doing. So we're going to be doing a special show on top of our. our daily show as our USM&T preview. So about two days before each game, we will be getting together and we'll just be doing a full USMNT preview show. And then we will have our daily live show the day of the game, the day after the game. We'll talk about it and react. But those will be our chances to really dig in. If you put kickback in, when you go by your USM&T kit at soccer.com, you get a free gold club membership, which gets you a ton of extra points and

potentially extra stuff. And that's where I've gotten all of my gear. so far and I'm like I'm deep in it right now I got a lot of countries a lot of stuff it's gonna be great for my travels post world come to be like oh I'm one of them I'm one of you I'm wearing I'm wearing my Iraq t-shirt so I'm clearly Iraqi you go you go into Basra for a for a vacation is that it I would love to I would absolutely love to there are very few places I don't want to go London's probably the top of the list and then everything else besides that so shout out to everyone who is in the chat thank you for joining us Doyle, always fun to do this.

Always fun to hang out. Looking forward to doing more. And hopefully Tom, I don't know, got into the event and had a good time. I assume he's best friends with Gunna now at the end of this. And they're going to hang out. And if not, shout out to the Prince,

Jalen Brunson, baby. Talk to you all again soon.