Soder - 145: Peter Parker Spiderman with Graham Kay | Soder Podcast | EP 142

Episode Date: July 28, 2026

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um that was from upstate New York there was a a person running for local government with the same name as Katie hilarious uh you know jokingly

Shane calls her Kathy yeah a lot as like a little rib yeah and we were driving uh to the place we stay that we like to go away to up in the Catskills yeah and I saw

and I, you know, I'm a delinquent as you were as a teenager. Yes. So stealing street signs is like old hat. Well, you got to take one. You have to. My friends, there is a politician in Canada. He lost, but it was GK. You need that.

It was like GK with a Canada flag on it. You need that. And they stole that for me. And I have a handkerchief that says GK, GK, GK, GK. That's incredible. Yeah. And that was, so what happened was because she, you know, she's a grown woman now.

She was like, I can't let my fiance pull the car over to steal a streets on. And I went absolutely, totally get what you mean. And then like later in the week, we needed groceries. And I was like, oh, let's go pick up some groceries. And then I came back and I put that in the lawn

of the house we were staring at. And she came out. She's like, you got it. And I was like, ah, you definitely grabbed it. And I did the thing where I was like, no one's coming. And pulled to the side of the road and then yanked it out.

But good news is Kathy Nolan won. So we didn't affect it. Yeah, and she is a fascist. Well, we had to look her up. Yeah, yeah. And they are they. Okay. So that way we went, all right, very progressive.

Okay, we're okay. So progressive that they would probably be mad that we stole the sign. It looked like a hate crime. That's exactly. And you look like just the guy to do it. Oh, they go, ah, take it away. No, they, them's up in my mountain town. No, I.

Equal rights is bad for me. Yeah. But I got the sign. That was the very fun reveal. Was her like going to make. a coffee and being like, where did you get that? And you're like, ooh, is that a little stinker? Did you get a little kiss?

I did. I said, give me some sugar. Yeah. It's good to see you. So you have a Jewish guy's hair. Oh, yeah. I was saying when you get a hair transplant, the doctor tells you that the texture changes, which is funny.

You know, I have a long bit in it in my upcoming special about getting a hair transplant. But I will say, for those of you at home, when you are wondering if a celebrity has hair tits, look, look to the hair line and look to the texture of the hair. Because if they have different texture hair, they probably have had a hair transplant. Yeah. Guys, we know that it happened. And I go, oh, your hair is a lot different. And they're like, yeah, I don't know.

And you're like, I do. I guess it changes. I guess I have also Matthew McConaughey's hair texture. Remember what he did that? Yeah, but you know when he said he didn't get a hair transplant? No. Because if you look back, he's like balding and then he did like the Matthew McConaughey thing where he's like, actually what happened is I put some berries and some juices. Yeah.

And you go, no, you didn't. You got a FUT. It's called an FUT procedure where they take hair from the back of your head and put it on the top of your head. But I were eating berries. It was berries. It was the berries of surgery. My Matthew McConaughey is not as. I'm not good at you.

He's kind of got the whiz. You got to get the whiz. He does. The surgeon, the Jewish surgeon was eating berries. Probably within the same week. He did it. With his. You try to get the slight whiz.

Like the gopher and Winnie the Pooh who speaks like that. Or the old pervert family guy. Yeah, that's, that's it. Strong on. Yeah. Got any good news. Strong arm. Musl.

Me today. Muslis. Mostly strong on paper boy. Oh, you got some berries. It's very fun. It's the last thing Matthew McConaughey saw before the drugs took over and he passed out. He goes, so I'll be taking care of your scalp. Zip.

Zip you open. Wait a second. Hey. Dude, I watched Pete and me. Awesome. Wow, thanks, man. It's great. Check it out.

It's on YouTube right now. We'll put the link right now. I was telling homeless Pimp because he watched it too because he's a good guy. I'm like blown away. Anytime in the comedy scene takes time to watch a special, it's like. Yeah, we've watched enough comedy. It's like, wow. You watched it.

But let me tell you right now. Great. Love it. Thanks. Love how you did the scenes with Pete, including him as his intro, including the videos, where he calls himself Gaston. Yeah, yeah. I'm not Gaston.

I don't want to be Gaston if I date a woman. And you're like, absolutely. Wonderful explanation. I thought you did a really good job of explaining autism in a way of like there's no superpowers. It is a, it is, there are. people that don't show signs because what I mean by that is the Gaston clip I would look at your brother and I go, Peter's not that autistic just in the way he's con the way he's talking to you.

Yeah. He looks very like conversational and he's like he's sitting there with his arm like, I don't want to be Gaston. And if you walked into a room and saw you two talking, I'd have no idea. Really? That always shocks me. Because my favorite joke, you know, one of my favorite jokes is where you were like he's not, he used to have a disability.

And now it's like there are people who have regular lives or whatever he goes. So now my brother. has a thing that if you leave him alone for four to six days, he'll die. Yeah. Yeah. But you don't understand in those four days. Yeah. You would assume he drinks beer. He likes steak. Love's huge tits. Yeah. This guy rules. Yeah. Loves toys and cartoons. I'm going, what's up, Pete? Were we hanging? Yeah. Yeah. But you do a great job. Yeah. You do a great job of the special, including the fact of like, well, my parents are incredible and have had this patience and got him an apartment. Yeah. I try and highlight how great

my parents are. Yeah, you do a good job of it. They only took away me making fun of them. Really? Yeah, that's all they took away. That's,

what's interesting to me about that is someone that does jokes about his family. Yeah. You have to prep them. People, I don't. People, you don't.

Well, because last time I did a special, I had a joke about how my parents are, like another joke about how my parents fight a lot. And my dad can't say I love you. Yeah. And that's what, and you put a version of that joke

and he and he wouldn't talk to me. Well, that goes, I'm not going to lie though. That is par for the course on a dad. That won't say I love you. I'm not acting like your dad's pulling anything new out of his ass. Your dad's, I hate to take your dad's side on this. He's consistent.

He's going like, you know who I am. Why would you say that publicly? One of the things you're not missing out in having a dead dad. Oh, I've been going through a lot of that recently. Is, well, is that when you achieve something, and you're proud of it and you show it to them

and then they make you apologize to them. Yeah. So I, you know what I mean? Instead of saying congratulations. Twice. Two, two specials in a row.

People who lost, people who lost parents young will tell you that there's a moment in their 40s. And this isn't for everybody, but there are a lot of people that I've talked to about this that had similar, like lost their parents before the age of 15 or 18 or whatever. You hit your 40s and you look at your friends and you go, kind of fucking.

glad because yeah i made fun of lewis on the regs about it like his dad would want money my dad would want money yeah i've been saying this to katie a lot recently i go dude if my dad is still alive yeah very small chance i like him very small chance that i'm like oh you know who rocks gary yeah more it'd be more of a thing where he'd be calling me and i'd go he's fucking calling me again yeah i don't want to pick this up but i mean i got a tough beat yeah danny boy i had a tough be oh daddy buddy i'm in sarasota if you honestly yeah you would make my make my life if you could give me this can you wire the casino yes five grand to get me out of this whole one and again not my fault of course it's the dealers they're asian they count so fast and you go dad that's not

an excuse they can see better at night did you know that they must eat carrots i think that's why there's always carrots and bond me sandwiches uh but so my question to you is what's fun about watching a special and knowing you is like something I don't get to ask me other comedians that are watching specials your first 10 minutes is about or for first five minutes is about how you want kids but you live alone you're almost a gay man because of how living you and then now you're married with a baby yeah and you're like well you got what you wanted I'm going to open my next special by being like yeah millions of dollars in a giant acreage of land where I can go escape with a fresh water well uh-huh I'll never have that when you

when you like go back and watch that that's got to be fun to be like guess what buddy well when i recorded i knew that she was pregnant oh i found out so i worked i worked on making that special for two years yeah and then uh i got the off-broadway run there at soho playhouse and uh the second show of 25, I found out. And the first line is like, I'm never going to have kids. And then I just couldn't figure out how to incorporate that. Yeah, because you can't go. Because the whole conceit is that Pete will always be there. Yeah. And it doesn't matter. I'm never going to have kids. Yeah. But what I didn't, on what I didn't know is that, um, my 42 year old girlfriend could get pregnant. Fun. Yeah. Welcome to 26, dog. Yeah. 42 is the new.

30. She's in great health, great shape. Baby's doing good. Turns out if you get your, baby's doing great. Baby's doing great. She's doing well. She just turns out if you get your, she's like played sports. So she got her like when she was a teenager, she got her period late. Oh. And I didn't know that. It shifts everything later. Oh yeah. Field hockey. Field hockey. Also, straight. Crazy. Yeah. Crazy. That's like getting a catcher in softball. Yeah. Yeah. I got a softball player. Oh, yeah. Yeah, dude. Look at us. Yeah. Our women should be together. Yeah. We should be together. Do you, we,

the four pals. The four pals. The, um, the baby in the special, you bring up your chances of autism. Yeah. When do you find out? I mean, it's kind of like until he's two. But, um, Is it something you're, you know, you make a big point of it in the special? Yeah. Is this something you're worried about still? Well, we're going, we're going to give him up for adoption. It's for a sign. Yeah.

Oh, it's half a sip poster from blowing that shit all over your face. If you know how close, you almost just got to get, taking a face of coffee. He's like, yeah. Can you count to three? How fast? Yeah. He's like six months old, one, two, three. She's filling out the paperwork.

Yeah. She goes, listen, I got a hot ticket. You're tracking this? Uh, put him out. Put him out. Yeah, no, I'm honestly just for some, somehow, some way I'm not worried about it. And she is not worried about it. She hasn't said anything.

She's just really, you haven't talked about it? We've talked about it. We've talked about it. We talked about it. Don't lie. Don't tell me, oh, mom and, you know, it's like, oh, mom and dad aren't mad at each other. We just have to live in different places. You go, we're always mad at each other.

I will admit that. Yeah, then you grow up and you go, yeah, it's the opposite of it. But I feel like if you have a fear of because you said of your genetic change, of autism, if you had a baby with a woman in her 40s, you would go like, hey, yeah, are you freaking the fuck out about this? Because I'm freaking the fuck out. Yeah, I mean, we've definitely like been like, like, he's making all the markers. That's great. We're both looking for it. You know, we'd had a chat about it even before we got pregnant because we just started dating and I was like, hey, you know, I kind of want to have a kid. And she's like,

well, you know, I'd be down, but we'll see, you know, I don't know. I'm on, you know. And then, and I was like there's a higher chance of autism and she was like, yeah, I mean, I'm not worried about that. You know? Was that, you know, and again, watch the special and you'd understand this question. Was that relieving after being with someone that was like, I can't do that, I can't risk?

She's such like, it was a huge relief. She's like, and look, it's not like I was forcing every second date I had. I was like, do you want to have a kid with me? I have an autistic child with me. That would almost seem like you, I'm a comedian. Are you sure you're not autistic?

Yeah. your second date, you go, I have to be very up front with you. The chances of autism in our child are skyrocketed. Also, money will be up and down. Yeah. It will be an emotional roller coaster. We might have a special needs child. Are you on board?

I don't know. I didn't even get to look at appetizers yet. And then I would just walk out. I would flip a table and walk out and say, shut up, you stupid woman. Can I say either way it goes? And, you know, I hope that, you're, Your baby's great and everything's on the up and up.

Pete's going to be an awesome uncle. He's so good. I mean, one of, like, the highlights of my life was when Billy was born. We, we, like, Pete came down with my parents. He did. And I gave, you know, he, like, held him. He's like, I'm going to be, I'm the uncle, Peter Parker Spider. I'm like, this is your uncle Peter.

And he goes, Peter Parker Spider-Spider Man and then takes the baby. Hell yeah. Hell yeah, Pete. Idiot. Yeah. You stupid idiot. And maybe he'll want to do it. You're Bert and Ernie with me.

Yeah. Unlike you getting flamed out. Yeah. Did you worry about, and we'll come back to him being an uncle. But did you worry about when you said like, hey, Burton Ernie is a fun. So he explains in the special,

his brother who is autistic would call him and do a perfect. Yes. Or do a perfect. Yeah. He's like you. He's got the same skills. Yeah. Same impression skills.

We're one A, one B. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Honestly, fetal alcohol syndrome and autism, they live in the same realm. But he does such a good, Bert that I was like, or Ernie. Yeah, Bert. Yeah, because he goes, hey, Bert. Yeah.

Would you work, you know, you're worried about your dad being mad about seeing that joke. Were you worried that Pete was going to see that joke and be like, oh, you fucking hate doing Bert and Ernie with me? So, not about that. So I opened for Nate in, in Ottawa, recently in front of 18,000 people. My parents, Peter, came. We, are the senators play. Senators play. It was, you know, insane.

And I found out where they were seated, kind of like in the lower, lower bowl. And I did a couple jokes about, so just let the audience know that I have a brother with autism. And I, at the end, I go, guys, my brother's here. Stand up, Pete. And he stood up. And there's 18,000 people. And I go, cheer for Peter. Peter Parker Spider-Spiderman.

Everyone say, go Peter, Peter Parker Spider-Man. Peter Parker Spider-Man. Peter Parker Spider-Man. And he stood up and he went, That's so best. That's no best. 18,000 people. And there's a picture that Noah, Nate's camera guy, took.

It's like incredible. He's like, I didn't have to tell him it was going to happen. He just got it and he's like this. It's on my Instagram. Oh, my God. I'm going to go, look at that. We'll put it right here. Yeah, we can edit it right in.

What a cool moment for him. Yeah, it ruled, dude. It was the best. Did he say anything about that to you? So I do, the point why I brought it up is because I, um, I, one of the jokes I told was that, uh, you know, one of the annoying things he does is when, I don't have to worry, you know, I'm glad I have a brother with autism because I don't have to worry about going home for the holidays and arguing about politics.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. When I go home, the thing that he does that annoys me is he makes me watch back-to-back episodes of the Power Rangers. And you said it didn't age well. Yeah, which by the way, again, pro Pete point. Yeah. Sitting around ripping beers. Yeah.

Watching the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. Yeah. Sign me up, bro. I'll bring the stakes. Also, I'm going to bring you some Spider-Man action figures. Yeah. And we're going to watch Mighty Morpher Power Rangers. Yeah.

I might have to go to Ottawa and hang with Pete for an after. Dude, he would. I'll come off the wagon for Pete. You just bring some NAs. He won't know what that means. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I can bring a six pack of Heineken N.A.

He won't know. And he's like, and he also won't care. Yeah, he goes great. If you just bring a couple of Diet Coke, you'd be like, give me with them Diet Coke. Yeah, I'm going to put on the movie. I'm going to put on the movie. Yeah, yeah. And he's like, well, let's go.

Hey, but he, so, you know, I go backstage and, um, I'm like, Pete, how is that? You know, all the people. You just got an 18,000 percent. And he goes, you shouldn't have said that about the Power Rangers. It's a fine program. It's a very good show. Is that what he said? Yeah, he should not have said that about the Power Rangers.

That's correct. He's like, well, all right. Well, can't win them all, I guess. Thank you, Peter. But with him as an uncle, he immediately took to it. Yeah, he took to it. He knows how to hold the baby. He, yeah, he likes, he, he, he likes,

He wants to see him on like, on like FaceTime and stuff. That's awesome. It rules. He's always, he never asked questions, but he asks questions about Molly, and he asks questions, he always asks,

how's Molly and how's William? And I want to call him Billy. Sure. Molly doesn't want to call him Billy, because she says that sounds like an alcoholic. And she's not completely wrong. William is a strong name. Will is fantastic.

That's good. Billy Austin. just rips. I love that. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, it's like an alcoholic who writes good poetry, you know?

Yeah. And writes cool plays in the South. Billy Bob Fortin did a fantastic job. She goes, no, no, no, no, no. He goes, have you seen those new T-Mobile commercials? He had a friend said that the reception sucked, his words. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, that's, but so is that a fight when you call him Billy? Yes. She'll go, don't do that? She's like, don't do that. And, you know, but I'm bigger so I can do what I want. Sure. Also, I would imagine, I don't know what it's like to have a dad. I'd imagine it's pretty cool when your dad has a name for you.

That is a, you know what I mean? Or he goes like, hey, what's up, Billy? Like when you see him, when he's like going to be a teenager, you're like, Billy, come here. And then you go, well, that's dad talk. Yeah. Like my uncle, my uncle Tony calls my cousin Nolan Joe. Yeah. For no reason.

Yeah. He goes, hey, Joe. I just, I love that. I think it's so cool. I had a friend grown up, his family, his name is Johnny. They call him Bugsy. I love it. No idea why.

Yeah. He was so cool. When you view at his house, his dad would be like, bugs. Come downstairs and you're like, yeah. Yeah, bugsy. What? That's such a cool name. Yeah.

My mom was like, Daniel. Yeah. Yeah. So biblical. Yeah, I guess I'll just go be an accountant. Yeah. Well, you have sex with women. When I was young, my mom was like, when I was like five or six years old,

we were driving somewhere. My mom was like, can I call you Danny? And I went, can I call you Trish? She went, all right. That is so nice. How old are you? I was like five or six years old. Because my dad's family, my grandma and my aunt and my dad, my dad didn't.

But my grandma and my aunt would call me Danny. And he can't tell them to fuck off. No. So like maybe if you get Pete to call him Billy. He won't because he found out that that's what Molly wants. He wants him and what Molly wants him to be William. So he calls him. She's like, well, Graham, we should do what Molly wants.

You can't, you can't, you can't break up with Molly. No. You can't. But simply can't. But simply can't. He goes so, damn, because that was my way out of it. But he's, you don't want Molly to leave you, he'll say. Like on speakerphone, I'll be like, hey, chill, bro.

She'll be like walking around like, what happened? And you go, nothing. Nothing. He says he's worried I sex you too good. Yeah. Yeah. You need to break. The story.

about you tell a story in your special and again, go watch the special Pete and me about him loving big tits. When did you learn that? When was that discovered that, hey, Pete's going to yell out tautas. Or what does he scream out? Who-hoo's?

From the movie, he got who-hous from Dude Where's My Car with Ashton Coucher. Shout out. That's one of his favorite films. I mean, you know what? They had to write it for somebody. Yeah. And they wrote it for a 14-year-old autistic boy.

They wrote it for a 14-year-old. This shall be my canon. They're in the writer's room with all the things on the wall And I go, We're writing this for a 14 year old boy with autism Yeah And then they go, that explains everything You know what?

All your jokes make sense now. Fantastic. We will still do like there's a scene Which no one remembers with Peter and me Where he's like On the back one guy's set Yeah, Stifler says dude The other guy says sweet.

They get tattoos and he's what is your say? Dude, what's your say sweet? No, what is yours say? It's like a who's on first? It's for stoner's who's on first. And Peter, it's just, Pete has trouble, like, getting a lot of, like, modern comedy. But he gets that. It's like, he understands why that's a joke.

Great. And so he loves when, like, we can just do it. How much would it break your heart if he got crowd work? Like, if he saw a clip and you go, no, Peter, I don't need you understanding that. And he goes, but find out what they do for a living. Yeah, yeah. And if they get up, are they taking a shift? shit. Yeah. Also, ask the person next to them if they fuck. Yeah. Yeah. And on the second date.

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He likes to go and he likes that everyone's laughing. Yeah. He think that's cool. What he does is his special needs group, they like organize things on Fridays to go out and hang out. They'll go to a restaurant. Sometimes they'll go to absolute comedy club or yuck yucks in Ottawa. And then he'll stand in the back.

And I'll be in New York or wherever on the road somewhere. He'll go to the headliner at the end. Oh, boy. and he'll be like he'll walk right up to them and he's big my brother's like 6 3 250 and he'll walk and again and i mean this is a compliment on site you would not quickly maybe conversation you can see it but you watch some like quick clips you two together and you go yeah okay yeah which one which one has it and he'll walk he walks one right yeah which one again it's like twins i don't know what you're talking about dan i don't know what you're talking about dan

But he'll go up to the headliner immediately after. And he'll walk right up to them and like invade their personal space and be like, my brother's Graham K, look at this. And then he'll point out his groin. And then he'll pull out his Spider-Man belt buckle. And so people will be like, ah. Also effective. Yeah.

Also effective because they go, who's Graham K? Yeah. And is he related to Spider-Man? Yeah. I like how nobody knows who I am. Have you ever had anybody that goes? Everyone message every weekend, every second weekend, I'll get a message from a guy I kind of know being like,

dude, your brother just walked up to me. They'll like figure it out. That is right. There is also something I will say to be on the wrong side of a special needs group outing is when they don't inform the- When they swarm you. Well,

they don't inform the comedian. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You go, what are you moaning about? Yeah. You can't see because of the light. You're like, what are you moat? What's your problem?

Oh my God. I'm so sorry. You just have to turn off the leave and turn off the lights. Dude, Shane has like one of my favorite stories about that at Magubis. Yeah. In Tumonium. It was right when he was doing the Special Olympics joke. Yeah.

But it wasn't the closer. And it was when he started headlining. So it's in the middle of his act. Yeah. Because you want to have big bits throughout your act. And he said he was like doing that. And it was getting like this weird reaction. And he's like, why are you guys being all fucking weird?

And the lights are bright there. Yeah. And someone went up to the bathroom and he like looked. And he was like, Oh, no. Yeah. Oh, my God. A whole table of special needs people.

They didn't. But it's not his fault. You got to prep him. Yeah. It's on the club to go, by the way. Yeah. That happened to me. I did my show and a bunch of special needs people came.

It was like the whole audience. Like my brother's special group, like needs group came. And to support. And it's like, this is for the brothers. It shows for the brothers Quit making it all about you You tell someone with autism To stop making it all about themselves

And not black people Yeah Them too And I'm not talking about They would have a different perspective On your condition Yeah But you really go

This shows for the brothers Yeah you go This is it for you This is for the ones that You know What was that accent? Was that my accent? I don't know what it was

Was that an autistic Canadian accent? I was trying Yeah I tried. I've never been able to get a good Canadian accent. That hell. I don't know. That's not how we speak in Ottawa.

Yeah. But were they a good audience? No. Are laughing at the wrong time? That's almost like running with weights on. You go, do the hour in front of the group. And you go, I'm just going to go crazy. They go, but you'll learn the strength you'll gain from it.

Or it will break you. Yeah. After doing an hour about. one topic. Are you like, I'm cool never talking about that again? Yes. That's kind of why I did it. Was it fun to like...

I mean, I probably will talk about it again because more stuff will come up. It's your life. I just, it was like this big thing. Like I've been doing comedy for 19 years and it's this big thing in the background I've never talked about. My the whole time. Sure. Because I didn't want anyone to laugh the wrong way.

Like I would jump into the audience and kill them and strangle them to death. Like watch the light leave their eyes. and I wouldn't care. Yeah. And honestly, I would tell you this, I've seen pictures, and you can go back

to the first episode of Graham was on this podcast. He was an athletic man. He did time for a crime he did not commit. Yeah. He was put away. The viral clip of yours

on this podcast was from you getting locked up. Yeah, that's right. For spray painting. That's right. But. Bad boy comedy, a lot of people are calling me. There's also a picture of you

where you straight up look like Wolverine. Yeah. When you're like 18 years old in your military school, you'd fuck some shit up. So if someone, you went in the audience. I don't doubt you would choke someone out.

I probably haven't been in a real fight in 20 years. Yeah, but you know what? Someone laughs at your brother the wrong way? Yeah. And all that knowledge comes right. That's your John Wick dog killing. I got into a lot of fights like from 16 to 24. Yeah.

Those are dangerous times to fight. There's a lot of T. Yeah. There's a lot of testosterone and a lot of opportunity to go to jail. Yeah. For hurting somebody. Yeah. Because that's when it does become a crime is 18 years old.

But also, I do feel. feel like that is your thing that'll hulk you up. Like I said, that's your John Wick dog dine. So yeah. So we're making fun of your brother and you go, I'll stomp out this one. Yeah, yeah. So I didn't, I didn't want, I didn't want to like just talk about it because I, I didn't, maybe I just wasn't, I was scared and I probably wasn't good enough for a lot of the time.

Yeah. To figure out how to thread that needle where it's like, uh, engrandizing him and, and, and, uh, making him seem cool, making him, the hero of it of the joke. And, uh, and, and I, and I, and I finally figure out how to do that. And then I had like, you know how it is like you have one bit. Then you have two bit and you have three bits. And then you're doing it on the road and you're like, doing like half an hour about

autism in my like 45 hour long headline set. Yeah. It's like it's kind of people are coming up to me like parents are coming up to me and, and, and, uh, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, of an autistic child. We were just coming to see comedy. We loved it, but it was a lot for us. We were trying to get away from it tonight, and we couldn't.

And that happened like more than a few times. Which is in a reaction that you would expect, where they go, hey, buddy, it's my whole life. Yeah. And I'm trying to come here jokes about apps. Yes. Appetizers and mobile applications. And mobile apps.

Only those, yeah. Apps are what, again, apps are what we're looking. for. 40 minutes of apps. Yeah, yeah. I'm on it. And I want to eat some apps.

I want to eat some apps. I want to eat some apps while I watch jokes about apps. Yeah. Did we, in that situation, do you feel like it's apologetic? What do you feel like? Because you go,

well, fuck you. I'm doing jokes about my life. I'm not, I am apologetic, but I'm like, but not like, I'm sorry. I did that.

I'm like, oh, yeah, I totally understand that. I, that's my life. And they go, but they're, they're never angry.

They're like, it's, it's usually like a, like a dad going. Do you ever have them? And then a mom going like it was just, you know, I love my son.

Now she's thinking about her brother or the other son or the other, you know, and it's just like a lot. And so anyway, I just was like, I can't this. I'm writing more jokes about this. I can't,

no, I can't do an hour of just only autism on the road. I'm not a big enough draw where I can do that. Half the audience, three quarters of the audience don't know me. Yeah. And they're just coming to see comedy. And then there's a guy talking about autism.

you know so I needed to go to a specific place. It needed to become a thing. Sure. And that's why I did like a. It's wise. It was a wise move. A one-man show. You know,

it's just stand-up, but I did a beginning, middle and an end. I always hate when you go to what's previewed as a one-man show. You're watching it. You go, it's just stand-up. You go, this is just fucking stand-up. Yeah.

This guy's just doing stand-up with AIDS. Yeah. Not the virus. The visual. Do that I went to, I was, I did, I went to Edinburgh. Yeah. And, uh, I did fringe to like, you know, work, figure out how to do a one man show, how to basically make a through line.

And, um, I know you did it. And, uh, yeah, but I did it. And, uh, I was like, everyone was in my head where they were like, you have to have a theme. It's got to carry you through all the time. And then Ari Shafir was like, do your hour. It's an hour that you're filming for HBO. run that hour. 100%.

My publicist, which is a very important part of Fringe, is what they tell you, is to hire the right publicist so you can get people to your shows. I knew nothing about the UK market. She was like, she didn't watch the act or whatever

in the first night. I didn't do well in my first show. No what? Yeah, it's the worst. It didn't go like the preview. Fringe is the worst. I liked it for different reasons, but.

There's no shortcut for saving time, But saving money is simple. Just combine your car and home insurance with Bel Air Direct and save. Get a quote at bellair direct.com. My first, my preview show didn't go well. Yeah. I had an hour and it ended up being 46 minutes when I ran it that night. It flop sweater or whatever.

And I'll just remember her, she was very nice but pushy woman. And I'm side stage after the show and I'm like, that fucking sucked. I got a whole fucking month of this. And she comes back and she goes, you didn't tell me he was just doing stand up. And I went, what? And she goes, you're doing just stand up? Yeah. And I went, what am I supposed to do?

And she was, you're supposed to have a show? And then she left. It was the most dramatic. Like a cape? Yeah. She really did. She should have a show. A show.

Yeah. And she said, you're supposed to have a show. And I laughed. And I went, bitch, this is a show. But that was part of what annoyed me about fringe. I go, y'all are just doing stand up, but you got air in between your jokes. It's all it is, dude. It's why, I mean, we can get into it.

But it's like, why. British comedians aren't as good is because they they can it all the the cog in their wheel is fringe fringe shows yeah and they have to turn over a new hour every year and only 20 year comedians can do a new hour every year so they don't even think that I think you need two or three I do I anytime anytime you see like a famous person put out one a year I mean Nate's the only person I've seen do it now I'm only just saying that because he pays me but like he, he can do it.

Bill Byrd did it. I mean, Louie did it. Yeah. Uh, Burr did it a couple times. Nate can do it. I can also,

I will argue that you can't do it prolonged. It's the, you can, it's like, Nate's on a bit of a heater and that's, you know what I mean? Oh my God. I was just,

dude, we watched him last night at the cellar and I'm like, she, I think he's number one. He's just like, I saw five bits and I was like, oh, you're like watching.

You go, oh, I got to go right. Yeah, man. Um, but, sucks. I do think you're, but I do think what, what helps them doing the hour a year is the fact that it is somewhat emotional.

It is somewhat using visual aids, videos, other things, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, taking stand up and going, we're not really doing stand up.

And you go, well, we are. Yeah. That was the thing that annoyed me. I met so many great comedians over there from the UK, from Ireland, from fucking Canada,

from Australia. It pulls in people from Europe, from Switzerland and shit. I met all sorts of comics that I liked and had great conversations with. There was a couple, though. There were a couple that were pretty fucking insecure. They're so... And they were real quick to start talking shit about American comedy. Like I'm not an American.

And you're like, all right, bitch. If we're getting into this, we fucking smoke you. There's like those after parties. So to explain to people that don't know about the fringe comedy festival, it's a show with like... It's in Edinburgh, Scotland. And it takes over the whole city. for the whole month of August or July. It's August, right?

Yeah. It's August. And it's like the whole month, you do a show every night, and there are fucking so many shows. There's people stabbing themselves in the balls with needles. There's people. Like as a show. As a show.

Not just a guy. Well, that's a lot of the guys. Those guys are there. Opies are a problem in Edinburgh as well. And there's just like a bunch of shit going on where you can watch pretty much anything you want to. So the idea of doing just straight up stand up does look a little stiff or like not corny, but just like, oh, you're not being artistic.

It's like showing up to a Halloween party not dressed up. Kind of. Yeah. That's what it feels like? And they're like, what are you? And you're like, I'm me. This is just what I do. Yeah.

But I met a couple that really wanted to try to get me to go like, yeah, what you guys do is art. And I was like, I don't give a shit. We're, we're mall clowns. You're talking to the wrong guy. Because I'm going like, well, in our country, you go against the Daven Busters, not a trapeze artist, but this one Irish comic, who I did not like, and I let it be known. Good. After this hang, I was like, hey, me and you were good. We don't need to talk.

He was trying to get me to admit that he was like, you see, that's the difference between you, Americans and us. Look at this. We're doing shows every night. every night we get it ready for the year and we do it every night. You aren't hustling like us. Yeah, and I go, we do this every night. We do multiple spots in the city every night.

What are you talking about stand up every night? And I got, Sean Patton was the one that had to kind of like pull me away because I was like, what the fuck are you talking about? Like, we don't do shows every night. I go, this is you're making fun of an autistic brother. You just start strangling it. We do shows every night in the city.

In the city? In the city? In a big city. Yeah. Big city with a big American city with big fucking building. With no castles. Yeah, no castles. Empty penthouses.

And I was like, I was like really getting fucking hyped up to the point where Sean was like, yeah, I don't know if those after parties are a good idea for you. Yeah. Because I wasn't drinking. And honestly, I'll cut the guy some slack. He was like kind of drunk. Yeah. But that whole idea of like what I, what got me ticked off is when he goes, see, that's what

you got, you Americans can't acknowledge. We do a new hour every year. guys can't do that. And I go, no, we're better than you. Yeah, we, we, we work on it. Yeah. And we, we run an hour. You never do an hour.

Yeah. We do an hour every two years. Yeah. You do, uh, you know, ours is, you're all fart no shit. You know what I mean? It's an excellent way of putting it. It's an excellent way of putting it. And I mean.

But there are, but then, to be fair, there are the acts you see over there where you go, it's fucking phenomenal. You watch an hour of it and you go. Dude, yeah, I'm not trying to despair. I'm not trying to say like, all these UK comics suck. There's, there's phenomenal. It's a big place with a lot of talented people who are amazing.

But you talk to Daniel Sloss. And I like a lot of them. But you talk to Daniel Sloss about it. And he's like, yeah, they're all full of shit. He's like the first one. And you go, yeah, you're a bad, you're a fucking fantastic comic that does jokes. And he goes, and he's frown about Edinburgh.

And he's like, yeah, all that shit's fucking. It's just, it's just a bunch of new comedians. doing misdirections thinking they're geniuses. It's like the amount of like misdirections I would see on like hot shows at night time. Yeah. And being like and it was my and I said, hey mom. And they go. And they set up like a sex joke.

And I think it's like a girlfriend. And you're like oh. And the whole audience is like. But then you also, what's fun is like like that meme where the guy is like. Oh. And he does like the rap cipher. What was funny to me was like, realizing that they don't like sex jokes the way we like sex jokes.

Well, they don't have sex. Well, they do, but I think they do it very like, yeah. I don't run it, button up. Yeah, yeah. And I was doing the thing about... Oh, such for a good rogering. And I was, I was doing a joke about eating ass that's on my HBO special,

and they were just like, no, no, no, thank you. That is how sailors would get sick. Yeah. It's like something like that, where they're like, no, no, no, that is how you die at sea. That's how you get ruby eye. But it really was like, it really was a thing where you're like learning about audiences. So it's good you went and did that show because you really like realized. Yeah.

I mean, it definitely did help. And then I mean, maybe. And you did, you do get the hang of it at the end of it. But you did make me feel more comfortable about silences because you're just, you like, that's big. One of the things that like, I like, you know, I, I do clubs and I grew up doing clubs in the city here. and like you just I just try and my whole thing is smashing and you just you kill and then you get off stage and no one really knows you or remembers who you are yeah and then you watch like

another comedian and and they're really good but like they're they take their time a little bit and then you then the audience maybe doesn't laugh as much they definitely don't laugh as much but they know who that person is also the impacts of those jokes yes when they hit yeah with something I had to learn yeah I wish I were to learned that 10 years ago. Same. Because to me, a comic that's comfortable with silence on stage reminds me of the confidence of a man that's comfortable without his shirt.

And I know, I'd kill for that. Yeah. Who doesn't have a great body. But it's like Ari. He just takes his shirt off and walks around and I go, I can't even, when I'm at Jay's pool in the privacy of his backyard, I go, you guys aren't looking. I'll take the shirt off, jump in the pool. Everyone starts puking

I didn't think it would look like that Wires, niggins, they're doing that Yeah But you really like You really understand the value Especially from going to a place like Fringe where you go Oh silences are also

You know Important for the act Yeah And that turns out These British comics are better Turns out We've gone full circle On this podcast

Yeah No why I brought it up I forget why we were talking about this But I went of running the show of an actual making it into you and you know the story of your brother I think we were talking to we're anyway I I I went to go see somebody else's show like one of these yeah like for guys with needles in their balls you know and um and uh me and this other comedian and we were he we didn't he was we were sat at different places because we didn't go together

but we knew each other sure and um and the guy like classic one-man show and he's like and then I threw the ball and I cut the ball and I like that Fred Arnison's and then he's like I and I used to listen he had a record player behind them and he's like and I used to listen to my my mom's records ooh you know and he and he was like and I loved it and then I went outside and I played football with my friends by the tracks and I threw the ball and then um and then he goes over to his stool and the lights darken and there's a spotlight on and he's sitting on the stool and he turns around and he goes

and then I was raped for four hours and then everyone in the audience and then I look over at the other comedian and we're both going to yeah yeah because that is I'm not gonna lie dude that would fucking make me laugh

we're just like where you go I can't and there really is a thing and I don't know what it is is it maybe we're desensitized in North America something's wrong with us

something's wrong with me but you do go to a friend show and they're like I didn't realize having my job genitals burned would mean and you're like hmm yeah it's like dude come on

you can't fucking act like we're not going to laugh at that it wasn't it's an awful thing that happened to you if it happened and I probably did I'm so sorry that's not why I'm laughing it was the presentation can I tell you it 100% the presentation and you might

you might want to mark this because I have to clear this with Katie yeah see if I could tell this story or not but we watch Jeopardy every night and there's a commercial for Shen Yun which is the Chinese ballet. Before communism. Yes.

It's the pro, it's anti-communism, pro-capitalism, Chinese ballet. So Katie and I always would joke around about Shen Yun's coming to town, Shen Yun. And for Christmas this year, we open our presents and we're sitting around and Katie goes, oh, I forgot, I have one more present for you. And she goes and busts out an envelope

and she got us tickets to opening night of Shen Yun at like why am I forgetting where it is. Rockafelah Center? No, not Rockafelah Center. Lincoln Center. Lincoln Center. At Lincoln Center. And I'm like, yeah, we're going to opening night at Lincoln Center.

So, you know, we go. There are people there that take that very, very seriously. Like I'm talking about Chinese people that might have lost their family to the current government that are like, yo, fuck that. I'm ready to see some classic Chinese ballet with a pro-capitalist spin. And there was a moment where they like talk about the religious side of it

where like God came down and they do this thing where the two people are dancing and then they like act like they're jumping into the screen but they fall below the screen but then they appear in the screen and then they fly around. And Katie and I had to fight a laugh that was so hard that we were pinching each other's legs

because we were going like, to the point where it was, we left at intermission because we were laughing so hard that we were like, dude, this is just disrespectful. Yeah,

yeah, yeah, yeah. We saw it, you know. But it was crazy. It was just such pure propaganda. Yeah. That it was so funny that we were like,

but it was that thing of like, and then I was raped brutally for four hours. We were like, ha, hop, yep, it's happening. I'm about to laugh out of us.

Dude, I could like feel the laugh. trying to kick down my sinuses. The laugh was like, let me the fuck out. Dude, they jump onto the screen and then they fly around. And you go like, dude, come on. And under communism, we wouldn't be able to fly around. Yeah.

And then they get in a chariot and they ride to earth. And you're like, dude, this is the best thing I've seen. So I got to see Shen Yun. Go see Shen Yun. Go see Shen Yun. This is China before communism. Yeah. They're flying.

They do a thing where they're like, this stuff bad. It's just, it's phenomenal propaganda. How'd you guys get dressed? You're dressed up. Yeah. And wear kimonos? Listen, brother, that's Japanese. Learn your Chinese.

Did we, did we find the dance of the water sleeve beautiful? Yes. Absolutely. So the really funniest part is that there's these two presenters that come out and kind of tell you it. And there was a Chinese woman named Julie. I'm sure that was her name. that's how you feel when you go to a casino and you go,

oh, your name is Aubrey, sure. Yeah. But Julie, and then this white guy. But the white guy, when setting up some of the things in Shen Yun, would speak in a way where you're like, did you babble fish this straight from Mandarin to English? Because you go, the next one is about a dance of a monkey. Monkey meets crane.

Crane is wise. And I'm like, I can feel me be like, dude, why is he talking like this? A white guy saying? Yeah. And he's going like,

Crane learns Taoism. Crane learns Taoism. Crane learns Tao is powerful. Monkey now trains with Master. And I was like, dude, why is he talking like this? Why are you talking?

Dude, you're white. Yeah, I know. I was the guy to look up because I was like, why is he talking like this? He's like,

I don't know, it's about to break me. My two month old son's like, I get this. Yeah. He's like, yeah, that's how I speak too.

Yeah. Dude, it was fucking, it was a tough go. So if you really want to test your power of your abdomen, go see Shen Yun. But I kind of like stuff like that because it makes me feel like back in school when you'd be laughing at a presentation with your friend, those are the best laughs.

When you're not allowed to laugh? Yeah, it was the best. It was the worst and the best. And then we like went out and we just were like, hey, let's, we had like a nice hang after. Dude. We like we're friends for the rest of the fest. because of that.

I won't give any names on this story because I don't want to come back to me or Katie in a way, but we were at a family event and we watched a drunk family member fall in a way that it took, it took. I'm already in.

I cannot give any more information. I will not say whose family it was. I will not say where it was. I will just say a drunk family member fell. And we had to go into the bathroom together. And I laughed in a, way that I thought I was going to throw up because I was one of the only people that witnessed the fall but Katie was with me so she heard the thud and then she was like once we made sure the

family member was all right I was like can you come with me into the bathroom and I almost threw up I was laughing so hard because those are the best laughs where you go come on yeah the world would be a brighter place if you could just do that thing of like yeah yeah like if you and that comic would have laughed at that moment instead of getting in trouble if you would have gone I'm like, come on. Yeah. And people would go like, all right, it was out of nowhere. I think other people, maybe five other people would have laughed too,

but it would have ruined the show and we would have been kicked out of Scotland. But you and those, that group of seven of you would have been a merry band of travelers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the hardest part is when you're at a quote unquote, I know it's like an art festival, but a comedy festival. Yeah. And they expect you to take something seriously. Yeah.

And you go, don't do that. Yeah. Don't do that to me. Yeah. So did you feel, did that, did that in, like, influence the way you built the show, Pete and me? That, watching that guy get, yeah. Yeah. Where you go, I don't want that moment.

Because there's a moment where you go, Pete was trapped in alone. And, you know, you could have done that. You could have hit the breaks on something serious. Your topic is very serious. I think that I have different, like he was, that particular performer was trying to do something different than I was trying to do. And I think I have different taste than him. I'll say it like that. Very nice way of saying.

What a Canadian way. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. No, but it's a good question. Like, you don't want to get too like melancholy. And you don't,

you don't want to get, yeah, you don't want to get too, like, too corny in a way. That's what I, that's probably the best way I say in it because that's how I felt, because at the time when I was doing my fringe run,

I had a large chunk about my dad dying of drinking. But the whole point of my, joke was that this is going to be funny. Yeah. This is just going to be funny the whole way through. Yeah. It's like it's okay.

You can laugh at it too, even if your dad's alive and doesn't like alcohol. Just laugh at the joke. And there was this thing of like you go to fringe and they really want you to be like, make it sad as fuck. Yeah. I want the opposite. It's like this weird thing where they want it to be like trauma porn. Yeah.

And that's like, can we do it? I don't, I want this to be. I want this special to be happy and fun and silly and show that he's cool and that if you have a brother with autism or a son with autism, your life is not ruined. Sure. And that is the point of this. Because everything I watched when I was a kid when they were like, Peter has autism, watch this VHS tape about autism. Maybe you want to blow my head off. You know what I mean?

It's like I want something that like a 14 year old kid in my shoes can watch. Sure. And be like, oh, it's going to be cool. It's going to be fine. Oh, I'm going to have a friend and a brother and everything. It's just there's going to be some special things that we need to take care of. 100%. Yeah.

I fucking love that. And I think that's like exactly what someone, you know, I like when people make shit for like past versions of themselves. Yeah. You know, I could have used this hour when I was 14. You know what I mean? Like I think about that sometimes with my standup where I go, I would have liked hearing that joke when I was 14 or 15 and my dad died and being like, oh yeah, fuck yeah. Why am I looking at it sad? He ripped.

He drank. Fucking go Gary. You know? And you go, oh, that would, even though I know. it might not have solved what I was going through. It's just like there's a little alleviation. Yeah. Where you go, this feels fucking good.

Now, do you think that would make you feel good? Yeah, if I would have seen that when I was younger. Right after he died? Yeah, I would have been like, oh, that's funny. Because I think with me what stand-up did, especially when I was younger, was it taught me that, like, you can make fun of shit that I didn't think you could make fun of. Yeah. That always blew me away.

Yeah. That I was like, oh, my God. I mean, you know, and I'm not going to say the words, but Chris Rock bring the pain, the black people versus N-word. I saw that and I was like, that's crazy. Yeah. What a joke. And you like see the construct of the joke and you're like the comparison and you go,

oh, that's brilliant. And I think that's why like, that's part of the reason why I'm against making comedy for kids because I think you're robbing them of. Who's making comedy for kids? There's just people that go like, you know, I love Nate, but Nate's like kids should be able to watch stand up. And I go, I agree with that. But I also think you shouldn't make jokes for kids.

No. I think you should make jokes. My favorite part of stand-up was learning why it was funny. Yes. And watching your dad or grown-ups laugh. And then the moment when you're like 11-ish and you get it on the same level and you're like, I'm in. Yes. I'm like a grown-up.

I feel. I love that feeling. I love that feeling. I still get it when I see grown-ups laughing. But I would say, I would say that's part of my biggest problem with entertainment. being made now. And listen, I'm talking about as someone that's developed shows that's gone to the networks and heard what they're saying and they go like, well, kids need to be able to watch this.

And you go, I don't think that's true. I think there is stuff. Now, granted, that's not everything that's being made, but in comedy, there is a lot of people at networks, the big networks that want like, well, kids got to be able to watch this. And you go, well, I want a kid to get in trouble for watching this. Yes. And not in an easy, dirty way of just dirty words or they're just saying stuff. Like, I want a kid to go like, well, that's kind of an adult themed thing.

that's why I liked Mel Brooks so much. Yeah. Because it felt like I was listening to an adult conversation that maybe I wasn't supposed to understand. Yeah. And then it's what you said. It's when you did understand it. And you're like, yo, this fucking rules.

It rules. And it's the best. I will say Nate's engine is whatever he thinks is funny. Sure. And but it's mostly about a kid can hear it and not be. and not have a parent go like, like have to have a weird, an uncomfortable. I don't know.

So, I mean, it's not like we all have different styles and his style just perfectly adheres to that. That's what I'm saying. He's just like perfectly funny and doesn't cuss. Yeah, yeah. And it's also, what I've always said about Nate, it's like finding out one of your favorite desserts is also has health benefits.

Yeah, yeah. Where you go, really? I'm not an absolute piece of shit for liking this. But. Yeah, he's a raspberry. He is. You go, duh, I can eat so many of these. Yeah.

Do you think Pete's going to now expect you to have jokes about him? Like the next hour, whatever it's about. If he sees it, he's like, hey, you fucking talk about me, bro. Maybe. I don't know. I don't think so. I don't think he cares. That's also, he does not care.

He doesn't really, he'll be like, you're doing comedy. That's good. Yeah. One time he did ask me, he goes, you're doing, I'm going to go, hey, man, I'm going to do jokes about our, our relationship. you know, it's a show called Pete and me. And he goes, are they nice jokes about me? And I go, yeah, they are nice jokes about you. And he goes, that's good.

That's the only time he's ever asked anything about my stand-up. Man, what if he called in and, you know, you're saying like, he doesn't have the counting thing of autism or whatever? What if he calls you, you found out his autism was just breaking down jokes? And he just annihilates you. He goes, hey, Bert, that's not a premise. Yeah, hey, that's just a thought you could write down. You go, all right, well, let's chill the fuck out on that.

You're very wordy. You call that a Colbeck? Yeah. That's not a Colbeck, burt. And you go, stop nailing me right now. I'm trying to get this hour out. You know what? I don't like autism.

I just hang up. Feels to me like you should fucking move back in with mom and I should have that apartment. Yeah. Go watch it. It's fantastic. Thanks, dude. Pete and me.

The link is in the YouTube. Go watch Graham Kay. Thanks. You've seen him before on the show. He's hilarious and one of my oldest friends. You're the best. You're the best. and you're the best, Pete, if you're watching this.

I'll show him. But go Spider-Man. You don't watch it.