Soder - 54: Forever Silly with Casey Rocket | Soder Podcast | EP 54

Episode Date: November 20, 2024

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Hey everybody, it's almost the end of the year. I got some dates left. You should come see me. Number one, I'll be in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. November 21st through November 23rd, I will be at the Pittsburgh Improv. So come check out a show there. Then Late Show, Friday, December 6th in Chicago, Illinois. Two shows at the Vic Theater.

First one is sold out. Thank you guys. Second one, tickets available. So go get your tickets right now for the Late Show December 6th Chicago, Illinois, the Vic Theater. Saturday December 7th I will be at Turner Hall in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. So come on out to a show December 7th in Milwauke, Wisconsin. And then closing it out Sacramento, California, December 12th through the 14th I will be at the punchline one of my favorite clubs in

the country haven't been back to Sacramento since my grandmother died so that'll be fun punchline rules get tickets right now at DanceHunter.com absolutely yeah Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen for you were like, were those movies you watched when you were a kid? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I, uh, I'm going to wait to say it on the podcast, but Mary-Kate and Ashley. Oh, we just fucking roll dude. This is all rolling. Oh, we. Yeah. Well now, now I'm freezing in the moment. Uh, Mary-Kate and Ashley has my favorite joke of all time, which is Mary Kate or Ashley, hard to tell, around the holidays, especially around the holidays.

But one of them is riding a horse and the other one is on the ground and she can't hear her and she says, Mary, are you asking me equestrian? Are you asking me equestrian? Come on. You know how, I mean, if you got that as a young kid, you were a smart kid.

Well, my mom's a horse trainer, so I was fully equestrian. I, whoop, oh man. Were you,. Well my mom's a horse trainer so I was fully equestrian. Were you uh are you good at riding a horse? As much as the next guy I guess. That is a weird way to put it I guess. That is a weird way because if I'm the next guy I can't ride a horse. Yeah so maybe better than the next guy. If you hypothetically if there was an apocalypse situation could you jump on a horse and be like I'll go to I can go to town and tell them do the Paul Revere thing Yeah, yeah, could you do that? I could lead the charge. Yeah. Sure. Yeah, we would ride him like Bareback. Yeah, so you without the saddle

Yeah, you just jump on them and Feel so warm Yeah, you just jump on them and go. Yeah, I feel so warm. Yeah, but I think that's like you can get on a horse and go like, yeah, and then make them go and trust thing. Yeah. Is it? Well, you know, why do dogs like some people are not like other people? Yeah, it's the same thing.

Horses are just like real big, smart dogs. That's what I've said for years. They're like real big, smart dogs. And so, yeah, for sure, I could probably jump on a horse and depending on the horse some of them aren't as is have you ever had a horse be like fuck you get like fuck off me uh-huh really yeah they call them green green horses the ones who aren't they know they're not born ready for you to ride them you have to train them to be ready when your mom would give you like life lessons would she do it through like horse analogies? Yes, 100%.

She really would? Yes. She'd be like, Casey, just like I told you, a Bronco ain't busted until you, it's like stuff like that. Yeah. That's fucking awesome. You can't go through life trotting if you're not ready to do a little canter every once in a while.

Oh, stop dressaging all over the place if you just walking sideways the horses they do something called cribbing which is where they chew on wood because it releases endorphins okay and it's bad for their teeth and it's bad for the horse you put bits in their mouth to prevent them cribbing and I remember I used to get in trouble as a teenager for being drunk or whatever drinking Robitessin or whatever and she would take me to the barn and she would say, watch Stetson. And Stetson was one of the horses. And see him cribbing?

It's cause I took his bed out. Do we need to put a bit in you or are you going to learn how to, how to not? I don't know if she was threatening to. That's fucking wild. That's so wild. You notice him now you notice what I did to him and you're like, what does this have to do with it? Meanwhile, you're on robot us and so it's like I don't even know what you're talking about

It's so funny you robo tripping and she's like Now you notice that I fed him a carrot do I need to feed you a carrot I? Love a carrot thanks Did you have to do the like did you have to do the varsity blues thing where you were like, I want to be a comic. I don't want to train. No horse. She, she never wanted that life for me. She, it was one of those things where she, she knew life on the farm was tough. And she was always very supportive of my, that's awesome. Yeah.

When did you move from Georgia? Uh, I left Georgia when I was 23, when I graduated from Georgia Southern. And then I moved to Idaho for a couple of years. What'd you do in Idaho? It's kind of just kind of chasing, trying to find myself. Yeah. Fuck you.

What a good place to do it. Yeah. Would you live like quarter lane? Uh, Boise. It was, I lived in Boise and, uh, yeah. Go to Nampo all the time. Yeah. But I had some buddies move out there and I never knew anybody who had

ever been anywhere near there. Uh, and yeah,, just kind of got stuck there. COVID happened. So I was out there for like three years. Yeah. Oh, so you went up there then COVID hits. So many people got fucking locked into places because they were like, I'm going to try this. And they're like worldwide pandemic. You're fucking stuck here. Stuck in Boise, Idaho. Yeah. I mean, Idaho is fucking beautiful. Oh, it's gorgeous. But it is a place that you go to escape because you've killed someone Yeah, there's a lot of woods. It has also the largest per capita They think there's a large population of Bigfoot up there in northern northern. I know that's where other doll is. Yes Yeah, if you're a last place, you'd love crypto zoologist. You can go up there and find if Bigfoot is real

This guy's undefeated it not getting caught. Because you would think now Nate Barghetti used to have a joke about that. He's like, it'd be on the news. And you're like, yeah, it would be if they found Bigfoot. Yeah, but man, I want it now more than ever. Fucking show yourself. If we knew there was a bunch of Harry and the Hendersons living in the fucking woods. Well, yeah, I think it could bring it could be the solution

We're looking for because if you have an alpha predator like that sure it would make humans be nicer to each other the new enemy Yes, exactly new enemy if you had something to worry about it would make humans Want to be like hey, maybe I won't maybe I don't care who my neighbor voted for Yeah, big foot coming down on me right now. Do you believe in all that shit? Sure, that's what Reagan said during one of his speeches, which is commonly quoted in a lot of UFO documentaries that he hopes that someday there will be

an intergalactic threat that will bring all of humanity together, that same general idea that if we had a common enemy, suddenly these borders wouldn't matter. Yeah, now, what Reagan? Early Reagan or old Reagan? I think it was old Reagan. Because old Reagan, brother, that's not him talking, that's another guy and they just

got jelly beans in his mouth. The way they used to put peanut butter in horses' mouths is to make them talk. Mr. Ed style. Well, hey, Where am I? Dude, that kind of like an old president, you don't realize just absolutely out of his tits and he's like tear down that wall. Where the fuck? I love that. I love the thought of just putting someone completely incapable. Just letting them ride. Just let it roll, dude. Give them the missile code.

The scariest day of the year is Christmas Eve. What do you mean by that? Yeah, why? He can get anywhere. It's the happiest day. Do you know something about Santa we don't know? What if here's the real story of Santa Claus? James Claus grew up. Yeah, dude, I like aliens and all that shit.

Idaho's a big place for aliens. Yeah, it is. Well, it's the last place people are looking Montana is huge that whole tri-state area Yeah, I'm in Idaho, Montana. I'm real big into aliens I it's it's funny because big Jay and I always talk about this. He's like if they were real Yeah, people would already know and I'm like, I think people choose not to believe. Oh, yeah. And there's been 50 years, 70 years of disinformation since World War II, where it's convincing people that it's only loony people believe that. And nobody wants to be loony. So, I mean, I think genuinely it could land on the White House lawn and people would

forget about it. Yeah. They'd be like, it's a Hollywood movie. And you're like, no, it's for real. A hundred percent. That is what would happen. Yeah. A hundred percent. Denial is easier than just going like, Oh, there's grays. And there's like different kinds. I watched this interview with this lady from the seventies. I'm really into the sub Reddit aliens. They put up all these like cool old videos,

but this lady from the 70s was saying about how The the little ones we see on earth and this is from like 1978 this interview she said the tiny grays are actually like little robots They're like little androids because the the gravity of earth Can't aliens can't come down here. Okay. Because it'll fuck with them. Like, it's too strong of a pressure, the vibrations are too strong. Yeah.

So they say when they abduct humans, they can only do it quickly because they have to change the vibrations so the humans can go on their ship. And they said that's why when they put humans back on Earth, they're bruised or they have injuries, is because that like going from the heavy vibration. Yeah. It's almost like having the bends. Yeah, exactly. That's exactly it. Yeah, that makes sense and then no one else wants to talk to me about it Shut the fuck up about this Well, I've read almost all the books by the guy who wrote the Mothman prophecies John John Keele who is a wonderful Ufologist and he's my favorite one except maybe Jacques Vallee so yeah I love all I read so you're like super into it for sure yeah I

love stuff like that you believe that they are interdimensional I think that is more than likely what is happening yeah they just like show up mm-hmm they flip in and out yeah and nothing would bring them faster than a fucking nuke sure and that is exactly when the when the modern UFO age began is when we dropped those fucking bombs. Yeah, because it was like an ant had a handgun. Yeah. And they're like, whoa, what the fuck?

They see some alert in the cosmos and they're like, we got to go see what's going on. And then it's us being like, we did it for freedom. And they're going like, you guys don't even know what you're fucking doing. That's got to be like how, how stupid we think people are. How, how dumb aliens must think we are. Where they're like, you fucking idiots. Trick or treat. Yeah. Boys blew up a city.

So you actually grew up in a barn? Yeah, at various parts of my life. Yeah, sure. Yeah. A couple different parts of my childhood we lived in a barn. Like in the actual barn? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Did you like sleep above? There was like a little apartment in the barn. I didn't know if you had like beds and hay.

No, not like that. Like cartoon mouses, how they go up there. And then my dinner table is a matchbox. So cool to think about. Are you fucking, are you Jerry from Tom and Jerry? And then my dinner table is a matchbox Are you fucking are you Jerry from Tom and Jerry Yeah that uh, I mean growing up when you when you grow up in a place like that like that rural in Georgia. Mm-hmm Coming to a city like New York. You must just be like fuck this Why would I ever want to live in a place like this?

Well, it was you know, so my parents were divorced and my dad had a home So we would spend some time there and then my mom Yeah, we would have we would move around a lot to a lot of different places So yeah, like a little camper or or live in a barn a couple different times or stuff like that. So yes More moral the story. Yeah, New York is a little it's a little much. How many brothers and sisters do you have? I have an older sister, and then later in my life, my father remarried, I have two half-brothers. Okay. Yeah, little brothers.

Are they stoked about what you do? Yeah, one of them is 16, I think. As much as a 16-year-old can show emotion, yeah, he thinks it's kinda cool, yeah. He's like, yeah, whatever, you're fine. You're fine, you have tons of followers. Yeah, you know he brags about you to all his friends. Yeah. And then he thinks it's kind of cool. He's like, yeah, whatever. You're fine. You're fine. You have tons of followers Yeah, you know, you know he brags about you to like all his friends. Yeah, he talks to you He's like it's cool or whatever. That's fine

Yeah, do you be an older brother like that's got to be cool it is cool. Do you have siblings? No, no, no, I had one but she got killed but we don't know kind of talk about that Galeons took her so that's why I'm into you find out So that's why I brought you here. We're hunting them I don't think that's a so Casey you've had experience with them. I gotta get my sister back. It's a tall burden To lay on somebody dude. I thought I was gonna fucking talk about comedy instead. I gotta go find this guy's sister great Yeah, you gotta skip my shows tonight to go look on the New Jersey Devil Yeah, dude. I just watched the Channel 5 thing about the New Jersey Devil.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Andrew Callahan went hunting for him. He was supposed to be on our podcast and he got sick. Oh, no. But I'm like, oh, this is a new thing that I was unaware of. Yeah. I didn't know about the New Jersey Devil. There's lots of cryptids.

I don't know. Do people actually see it? I thought that's more of like a folklore type thing. They have a guy. He interviewed a guy that said he saw it when he was a kid. Oh no. But not always to me, there's only just one guy or like. Sure. I don't really know if that's.

There needs to be a community. With the Bigfoot, there's people who see him all the time and then he's gone. So I think it's all, you know, it's all under the umbrella. Keele, John Keele, talks about the phenomena. It's all a symptom of the phenomena. UFOs, poltergeists, Bigfoot, uh, even Lake Monsters. These things tend to bleed in and then bleed out. It's,

it's like we're seeing something that is there, but not really. It's like an interdimensional thing. Yeah. Do you think it's almost like a thing where our eyes can't see it? Cause we don't know it. Like, um, there's the, the story of when Cortez, when he went and took over the Mayans, like when he landed in Mexico, yeah. Jenkins and mines when all the Spaniards came and they had these ships and they

were like covered in armor, Montezuma, they had never seen any of this shit. So they didn't see the ships coming. They like didn't see them. They couldn't comprehend the concept. They couldn't comprehend an armada of ships coming to the thing and then they just landed and they were like, what the fuck are these people?

And then got slaughtered. But like, I wonder if that's what, like the phenomena. Like we can't grip the fact that there are sasquatches or... Yeah, it's being shown to us in a way that our brains can comprehend but it's not what's actually there. Yeah. And I like that better than people who just go it's not real. You know, it's not even fun. No. Fucking play along a little bit. Well we have so much more extra sensory, so many more senses than we're aware of. You know, why when you're, sometimes you get real scared and you don't understand why.

Yeah. These things like there's more to us, our eye that we can. Yeah, we can't quite comprehend what we're looking at. Which would make sense if aliens were so much smarter than us. They'd be like, oh, you're just not going to see me motherfucker. Yeah. Like because the new Netflix one came out, the Manhattan abduction, which I didn't even know about,

but apparently a woman on the Lower East Side claims that she was pulled out of her apartment window and up into a ship in the middle of Manhattan. And there are witnesses. And now there's people saying they're like, nah, she's crazy or whatever. But there are people that are like, no, I saw it. It like happened.

So now it's like, I mean, to be an alien and abduct someone out of fucking Manhattan is wild Yeah, you're gonna get because you know speaking of Georgia. There's the the story of Jimmy Carter who? In like before he was like like when he was a boy him and eight other guys saw a UFO in Georgia Yeah, I think they were at like a Lions Club meeting or something. Yeah. One of those people with the red hats or whatever. The Shriners like a Shriners meeting. Yeah the one with the tasselshakes. But, um, he saw, you know, him at the, like, uh, him and eight of his buddies, I think, like saw UFO. And then he, part of the thing he ran on

in 1976 was like, if I get elected, I'm gonna let everybody know about the aliens. Yeah. And the story is that he got elected and then they had to talk with him. Yeah. They like sat him down and told them, they briefed him. Where they like sat him down and told him, they briefed him. They shut it down. They said they left the room and he was weeping in his hands.

Whoa. And he was like, I can't tell people about what it really is. Cause they said it fucked them up. Cause they basically were kind of like, yeah, we're like an ant farm to them. They just like come and watch us. And he was like, ah, ah. Who? and that's why he looks now at a hundred.

Have you seen him now? He's like, take me. He looks like an alien now. Yeah. That like old, were they trying to brag about celebrities when they get too old? You're like, don't do that. Sure. I don't even see Jimmy Carter like that right now.

No. Yeah. Jimmy Carter celebrates 98th birthday with intimate ceremony with family and friends and yeah, he's like, you want to hold on to vote one last time and he was like, if you're that old, it's got to be fun to fuck with people if they come close, like grab them, just grab their arm and go,

don't get on the bus. Don't get on the bus. I've seen what happens. I'm gonna go don't don't get on the bus. Don't get on the bus. I've seen what happens An incoming storm I'm gonna do that I get that old all I'm doing is fucker with people 100% I'm touching any young person around me. Yeah, it'll be a lot of shipwreck stories Were you born in 1981? Yeah, you're like, dude. What are you talking about? You're never on a boat. I watched them all die. It's just this speech from Jaws, but so much time has passed. They don't remember. They don't recognize. What do you mean? I go, 72 men go in the water. I laugh and come out eyes like black eyes, a doll's eyes. Yeah, that um,

that that's like the kind of thing about getting old, is I was always worried with my grandma that she was gonna slip up and say something where I'm like, I don't wanna hear this. I watched a boy drowned, and you're like, oh fuck. No, she coulda helped. Yeah, and we're like watching Jeopardy, you know? And I'm like, what?

Like, annoyed with old people shit? What are you talking about? You come to peace with it at the end. Oh God, she's done it before. He's waiting for me. He's waiting for me at the light. When you moved Boise to Texas, was it for comedy? Yeah, the pandemic had kind of slowed.

So I moved right after kind of lockdown ended. No, not really. I left in 2021. So yes, I did move for comedy, but I was, I was talking about my timeline. Yeah. I went down there and I lived in my car for a while and yeah, chasing it, man. Living the dream. You really, how long did you live in your car for? Seven months. Yeah. I lived on a futon for seven months

I thought it was tough, but a fucking car. How would you sleep? I mean ask your sleeping process backseat. Okay back seat and it was just enough My head would have to be bent a little bit. It was a Ford Escape so it was an SUV so that was fine, but it was just enough for my feet My body was fit pretty much perfectly in the back now. You didn't yeah You didn't want to do that. You didn't want to do the back seats down. It'd be bad for my back I think okay. Yeah, seven months in the back seat. Yeah. Yeah, where would you park Walmart? Really? Mm-hmm. They don't mess with you at most Walmart's you could just park there If you're living in your car if you're traveling and then yeah I would shower at Planet Fitness and then yeah the last month or month or month and a

half I slept on a guy's couch but I was out of my car but was that like luxury yes that was incredible when you got to the couch where you're like oh baby this is like a fucking California King kicking my little toes yeah cuz I remember when I moved from a futon to a bed, it wasn't even that good of a bed. Yeah. It was just like the cheapest bed I could buy. And I was like, this is fucking great. Big city living. So damn, Kill Tony, did that change your life? Is that what pulled you out of the car? Yeah, I met William Montgomery. Hilarious. So funny. And we did a show together. And then he put me on his show at Vulcan gas company

Which was the big venue in Austin at the time? Yeah, that was before mothership was open Yeah, yeah, but like two years before and then red band Heard about my set there and walked across the street to see me at Creek and then put me on his Instagram saying like this Guy's so great and then that yeah that changed my whole life. That's fucking awesome. I was just living in my car and then Red Band saw me yeah and that's pretty fucking great. Yeah pretty cool. Do you have an apartment now in Austin? Yeah. Fucking pretty sweet. I always try to tell it like you know I've been in it about 20 years now and I see people my age like start to bitch about stuff where you're like yeah, you forget about this part of comedy

You forget about the sleeping in your car not giving a fuck. Yeah, do stand-up. Yeah, I loved it I and I thought that I was close to being able to make a living so if I didn't think that I wouldn't have done that But I thought I was really close absolutely blind. Yeah, I've been like fuck it Yeah, see what happened, and I'd been doing comedy for seven years already. So I had a good 20 or 30, like a real good 20 that I knew worked. And I figured if just some people saw it, I think I could make a living doing it. So was that your thought moving to Austin? Yeah, if people can see it.

Because I had been in Boise. I did comedy for three years in Georgia, three years in Boise. So I figured I was at a point where I at least had it could be a good feature. You know, like I figured I had taken that next step. And just from what people were saying and how people were reacting in Idaho and I was like, well, you know, if you extrapolate that, yeah, if a hundred people like it in Idaho, maybe a thousand people would like it in Austin. So, I mean, there's something to be said about that, about going and making sure you can do it. Because that's where I started in Tucson. And when I started, I was just like,

I just want to see if I can do this. And I just want to see if I can do stand up. Me too. And that's how I felt when I moved here. I was like, if I can just fucking work there, like just do comedy in New York, I'll be fine with it. Because you see people that come in, and I'm sure you see this in Austin all the time,

you see guys that come in and they go like, in one year I'm gonna be a fucking Kill Tony regular, in at the mothership, on Rogan. You're like, that ain't gonna happen. No, well even that mindset I think is self-regulating. People like that don't tend to find success. Only altruistic people I feel like. People who are in it for the right reasons,

which is kind of a crazy theory, but I think the universe kind of rewards that. Absolutely. If you're just trying to be funny and grow and shit like that. There was a guy that I knew that worked the road a lot, and he was from Texas, but I knew him in Tucson. And when I, we both moved to New York at the same time. And we were out front of this old place where Fifi

smoking a cigarette. And he was like, if I don't get SNL, if I don't get a writing job on SNL in six months, I'm outta here. And literally I went, you should probably go, dude. You should probably fucking go. Cut out the middle, man. Take off.

Cause that's such a wild thing. I know. It's like you learn how to throw a baseball, and you're like, if I'm not in the majors by the end of the year, I'm giving up on this shit. Takes a while, but. Oh yeah, it takes forever, yeah. But sleeping in your car is a great,

it's that like, how much do you want it? It's a good motivator too of like, I gotta get out of this fucking car, it's hot. Yeah, I gotta get out of this car. Yeah, I gotta crack a window. Yeah. I gotta get up, I'm fucking covered in sweat. But it was also like not having a home,

not even quote unquote, a literal home. It was like, if I'm not doing comedy, what am I doing? So I was doing comedy all day, because I had nothing else, that was the whole reason I went there, so yeah. Well, the thing I love about your style when I watch it is it's so fucking fun that you have no, I was watching you riff at the punchline in Sacramento and you were talking about the guy

behind the wall, like watching you, and I was laughing so fucking hard because it just seems like, oh, this is nuts, but it's funny. Because some people are nuts and it doesn't go anywhere, but you're like, you've got this like chaos to you, but there's jokes the whole way through. Yeah, I try to keep it, generally my mindset is that anyone can be crazy Anyone can be like go up there and be like and that's also I'm sober too

So that's also part of anyone can get fucked up and go up there and go Fucking mr.. Cuckoo yeah, but to have I try to have some structure there to fall back on because I would hate to be something without Substance yeah, there are jokes. Yeah, you have a ton of jokes. Yeah, they're all little jokes. I think probably there's some people that don't even realize that. We're like, that's punch line, that's punch line. Who were your guys growing up? Who did you, like,

because you have such a weird style, it's like, I kind of want to know who led you to that. Brody Stevens was a huge one for me. I would watch his stuff. Dude, he was unbelievable. So good. And that kind of gave me the mentality of sticking to it even when it's going poorly because a lot of his videos online, his just for laugh sets are so funny and I used to watch them all the time because it's going so bad. He's doing so bad and he's so confident and that is what makes it

so fucking funny. He fucking warmed up. The year I taped Comedy Central Presents he was he did one but he also did the warm-up. Okay. But he would do the warm-up in a way where you would like it'd be he would bomb. Yeah. Just out of nowhere just start fucking like killing like bam bam bam and they'd be like all right now we're gonna tape yeah they were like waiting for him to break through but he'd be like yes and he'd be like doing the drumming thing on the thing he'd be like let's get it out here energy big energy and it would be fucking awesome and he was also such a sweetheart that it was uh i love that kind of crazy shit yeah awesome i didn't like that's cool that brody was your guy he really was did you find

him just on YouTube? Yeah, just on YouTube. Yeah, I think maybe somebody had mentioned him on Comedy Bang Bang or something. Yeah, I started kind of getting into comedy. When I was younger, Galifianakis and Pablo Francisco were on Comedy Central and I would see those and I liked them when I was real young.

But then coming into college, Comedy Bang Bang was real big and I think I heard his name on there. Yeah, Comedy Bang Bang had a lot of great shit, too They were like and by the way, they were like the show at Rafifi Oh, yeah, it was like when you would go see comedy bang bang Oh, so we're Scott and all that would like but you would see other like Louis CK or Chris Rock drop it and like do a set Oh, that's what was cool about Rafifi. It mixed all those worlds together. Yeah yeah, I always wanted to be like a zany kind of like them with the characters.

And that's kind of just who I am, like real silly. So yeah, I love that show. Yeah, silly is my favorite. Yeah, most people don't do it. I know. But like a real silly goose gets me going because I feel like there's so many people that try to hide them just giving opinions instead of jokes. Sure. But when you're silly, you ain't doing nothing but being silly. Well, it's, I think most comics have a real,

there's a turning point in their life and most comics will go through a phase where they will do an act out on a bit, their first act out and it'll bomb. And they never ever want to do something like that ever, ever again. Cause it's so embarrassing to be silly and have it go poorly is so humiliating but i would always think about Brody when i was trying to figure out what i was wanting to do and because i just thought he was the funniest fucking that was so funny to me yeah to be and even in Boise i hadn't figured out how to make it funny so it was just crazy with no funny so So I thought of myself as almost like an Andy Kaufman type guy and I got really used to bombing and I almost I liked it. You get used to it after a while of like they just don't get me they

don't get you know. Of course the jokes are awful. It's like that's what they're not getting. It's not funny but but I've always admired stuff like that of like stuff that like a person like Brody or yourself or Rory Scoville that's like being really silly and it doesn't work and they go like stick with me yeah and then it does pay off and you're like I would never have the confidence myself to do that I I still do this day if I'm like if something's going on like fuck this yeah I'll fucking bail so fast I'm an idiot I shut the fuck up that's the inclination though is to go, nah, I was just kidding.

That'd be crazy. That's 100% my brain. How you just described it. You're going like, nah, fuck this. I was just kidding. Fuck, fuck, this is stupid. Can you imagine? But then, yeah, the thought being, what if it was that the whole time? You know, and that's what Brody did.

It was, but that's who he was. And I think what I do is who I am as well. Yeah. Yeah. And now you're headlining. And so you get to do an hour. Do you feel like that's just like a ton of space to fuck around and just? Yeah, for sure.

And then now I think more as the sets get longer, I think more of Rory as an inspiration. I saw him do his improvise special when I lived in Atlanta at the Relapse Theater. Oh yeah. I saw a couple nights, maybe three nights of him do it. And yeah, so that's so great. So yeah, it's just more time to kind of explore the space, literally and figuratively, yeah. I saw a couple of nights, maybe three nights of him do it. And yeah, so that's so great. So yeah, it's just more time to kind of explore the space literally and figuratively.

Yeah. I saw Rory. He did this bit on his last special, but I saw him before he taped do it. We were both at this festival in Tulsa and you talk about like committing to the silly, he does this joke about, he talks about gang bangs and he doesn't know how they start. And he's like, how do gang bangs like he like talks about getting the people he like does a whole bit about how you get people over to the house but then he's like but how do they start and then he like did this entire act out where he

walked around like opening curtains and doors and being like hey they're kissing guys they're kissing and I was like amazed the next night I was on the same stage and I was like I'm not here half as free as this And I was like, amazed. The next night I was on the same stage and I was like, I'm not here half as free as this guy. I was standing there being like, joke, joke, joke, joke, joke, joke, joke. Instead of like watching Roar, he like grabbed a balloon whale and like rode it. And it was like this thing where I was like, that kind of freedom to me is so fucking, I think you nailed it. You have to learn how to bomb

first and be comfortable with it. Well, that's what I've heard this second hand that someone told Rory that Rory said this to someone rather and he said don't be afraid of the silence and it's that idea of if you can really sit in that silence and get used to it I guess for years and years and years then only truly then can you really kill yeah if you are not afraid of the alternative. Yeah, I've watched like, you know, like legendary comics at the seller work stuff out and they have that. They're like, they'll try something and they don't buck or ever they just go like, all right. Just sit in it.

Yeah, but man, it's so easier said than done. Especially me because I'm a people pleaser. Like, I absolutely want people to be like, that was great. That was like, you know, so you're like, start bombing. You're like, I'll do a voice. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. Just messing around. Oh, fuck. Why are you guys mad at me? Perfect jeans. Dude, I always have such a hard time finding jeans because a lot of the times I'll buy them and then I'll be like, oh man, these are too boxy or these are too tight or whatever.

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How was that? It was really cool. It was wonderful. My whole family came and a lot of my friends from high school and it went really good. Did three shows. So yeah. Yeah. Pretty fun.

Were your friends from high school kind of like, what the fuck? Have they seen you do stand-up? No, no. Because this is a thing that like, especially with comedy, other jobs you go and you do and you just become. Like you go to medical school and then you become a doctor and then you're like frenzy grump, they're like, hey, he's a doctor or whatever. But when you're a comedian, they're kind of like,

well, are you good at it? They don't know, but you've gone and gotten good and came back. I left Denver, started in Tucson, came here and went back and they kind of saw me do like Okay, I hadn't really figured it out yet, which is almost worse. Sure because they watch you bomb they go like I'm over it I've seen him bomb. Yeah, he does stand up or whatever. Yeah, or if you're really good, they go like he's amazing But if you're okay, they're like, it was alright Yeah, and that hurts probably the most.

That is the worst one. When they go like, that was, man, you are, wow. That was, you were so brave, you know? So brave, man. That's so cool. And you were up there the whole time. You know what, I got a lot. The first time I headlined Denver in like 2013,

I got a lot of like, hey, you're doing it. You're chasing your dream. And you're like, the second you hear that, you're like, hey, you're doing it. You're chasing your dream. And you're like, the second you hear that, you're like, fuck me, do I suck that bad? And then they're like, you know who I really like. And they tell you someone else they like, and you're like, fuck, this fucking sucks. They saw me a couple years ago,

and I thought I was over the hump. Of course, the tendency, you're all, comedians were kind of delusional anyways, and you always kind of think you're over the hump in a sense. But they saw me do The Laughing Skull in Atlanta, maybe two years ago, and I followed Mandel, who's this wonderful Atlanta comedian, and he just burned the room down, and I bombed so hard, it was totally silent. And afterwards, it was all that, where they probably thought, because I talked to my parents and I'm like, oh I was hanging out with these great comics and they all think I'm great and then they see me and they're like, did he make that?

Is he like a pathological liar? That was what I was always worried about is that they would go. Oh my god. He's a pathological liar Yeah, this guy's flat out lying to us. He's literally insane Yeah Yeah Like that is the feeling I got when I was in Denver and they're like, and you're surviving in New York off this and you're like, dude, it goes way better. Yeah. It just goes way fucking because the first show I headline there, I fucking ball.

Sure. Yeah. And then the second one was better. It was my mom's, I think it was my mom's 60th birthday. Yeah. It would have been, she was 60 and my cousins got her blackout drunk and like put her in a limo. So my family was all blackout drunk while, and, and the crowd sucked. Did I remember a joke bombing and my friend's mom was just sitting there like

this. And I was like, Oh, Oh my God. I slept over at your house when I was a kid and now you're watching me just eat shit. So I'm glad you went back when I was a kid and now you're watching me just eat shit So I'm glad you went back and had it so they saw you at They saw you have a bad set and then come back and have yes They saw like they would see me every couple years So they saw really bad a little less bad and then suddenly really really bad and like God is he? Just going the wrong direction. He was fine last time.

Do I pull him out of this? Yeah, that's that's a that's a fun thing to do. You want to get honesty from your family, but at the same time, you got to protect your ego. Sure. We're like, if you tell me I suck right now, I might fucking I might do some serious damage. I'm close. Yeah. But yeah, that felt like a really proper homecoming

Like I've been running the hour a ton this year So they got to see like the accumulation of a lot of hard work. Are you gonna tape it soon? I think so I taped it last year again Not being ready for it thinking I was over the hump and sure I watched the tape I was like this isn't it's just not there yet. So I mean, people don't do that. Yeah. They just put it out. Yeah. I mean, ask, you know, he, he takes specials

for everybody. I would imagine. Yeah. People put out stuff and like, you'd be like, so put that out. You're like, I'm putting that out. Well, you want to be there. You think I have sacrificed so much and we all have in our,

all in our own different ways and everyone wants to be there and to admit your not as really hard. Yeah. Yeah. But I also think like any job, it's not just comedy, but if you start to learn how to enjoy the work, then that becomes less important. Cause you're kind of like, well, that's like, I think everybody has this idea of, I'm going to take a special, it's going to blow me up. Yeah. I'm going to have no problems. I'm never going to have a stomach ache again. Everything's going to be great. And you're like, no, no, no problems, I'm never gonna have a stomach ache again, everything's gonna be great, and you're like, no, no, no, it's life.

Other problems will come up, you'll have other things. But if you enjoy just doing standup, it's kinda like what you talk about, like you have fun, you're sleeping in your car just to do standup, because that's the fun part. Yeah, it's a self-rewarding process. That is, the act is what is rewarding. It's not any of the success. Of course, making a living is wonderful.

Yeah, but brother like what you're doing. It's okay. Not a lot of people think that I know. I know. That's that's like, that's what sucks is when you're in a business where you're like guys, it's so fun. We get to do standup and you're like, you're looking around. Everyone's like looking at numbers and all this shit and you're like, Oh fucking gross dude. But I would like to think if they got it, if they got success, then it would change.

They would be like, oh, maybe this isn't, you know. No, then they, yeah. You're probably right. No, they just chase more of it. You're probably right, yeah. It's a drug. I think there's like, you know, I think like CEOs and like powerful businessmen

are addicted to getting like power and money. That's why there's so many billionaires now, because these motherfuckers get addicted to making money. And it's not about like my corporation runs smoothly and everyone's taken care of. They're like, I have an insane amount of money and I want more. That always is like, I've always felt bad for sex addicts and food addicts the most. Because you can truly never have enough.

Yeah, it's never enough. Yeah. And sex, like I think as far as addictions go, you said you're sober. How long have you been sober for? Three years. Okay. Yeah. And I was sober for a long time.

I stopped when I was 21 and then I got back to it for about a year during COVID when everything was shut down and so I've been sober again for three years. Did you know, did you get fucked up a lot when you were a kid? A little robot hussing and shit. Yeah, I had a, from a pretty young age, yeah, I was like a pretty, pretty severe alcoholic and yeah, I had a real bad drug problem, all kinds of drugs. Yeah. Yeah. And this is always interesting to me because the fact that you pulled the shoot at 21, it's like, dude, do you know how fucking hard that is? Sure. No one realizes it was cause it was because of comedy. You got sober or was it? That was part of it.

Yeah. I think it was. There was like a two year overlap where I was still drinking and partying and doing standup when I first started. And then watching some of those clips I got really embarrassed and I was like I don't want to be that guy anymore. It had just been about... Where you were like drunk on stage? Yeah, and I just didn't want to be that guy. I didn't want to be a joke, you know? And I felt like a joke. That's what I... when I was 21 years old, like I had no friends and I had alienated all these people and I and I felt

Like I wasn't a real person and I wanted to be someone that Not only other people respected but I could like respect myself. Yeah. So when you watch a clip of yourself fucked up Uh-huh. It's bad. Oh, man. It's a wake-up call It is it when you see that you go like who the fuck is this guy? Yeah, and then you feel weird where you're like shit, But stopping it, what was it like getting back into it? Oh it was, I felt like I was born again. I had never been happier and I don't regret it. Listen, we are, you're in a safe space,

but I quit drinking 11 and a half years ago and I can't tell you how often I think about coming back to drinking and smoking cigarettes. I think about it a lot. Yeah. I know. After a month, I would want to get sober again, but I think about that month. Oh yeah. You're just riding behind. You're like, why did I ever stop? Yeah. Especially with COVID there's, you don't have to wake up and do anything. So I would just get lit and watch Martin Scorsese movies all fucking day.

That's pretty cool. We would just watch Casino. Great. Over and over and over again. The Irishman even, it just came out. I mean, get a full day in with that one. Get a full day in. So. Four hour affair. What brought you back?

Was there like a moment where you're like, have a beer? I was in a pretty bad relationship and I felt really isolated. And yeah, that was a big part of it was I felt very hurt and very alone. And I also thought that the same thing happened, I supposed to, well, this is a bad reference, but I guess that's what happened to

Philip Seymour Hoffman too, is I had been sober, not as long as he had been, but five years. And I was like, you know, I was so young, like I was 21 when I got sober, maybe I can it now so that was part of it too. I've seen you know and I've had that thought too of like well if I just drink a couple beers yeah I had like a couple non-alcoholics and being like well if these were real beers but I know yeah I know the second. And maybe you'd be fine for a week and I kind of was for a week and I was like it comes back. Yeah that's what I'd be

waiting for. Yeah I'll be waiting for the knock at the door. Sure. I might have a couple of beers, but it'd be that first time where I'd go, do you want to do a shot of Jameson? Yeah. And then I just know. So how long did you drink for again? Um, just about two months pretty heavily. And then I get the shakes, I get DT. So that was part of the thing why I stopped when I was 21 too because I was having alcoholic seizures I had a very bad drink problem and then it came right back when I

started again it's something in your body was kind of like I remember this yes it clicks you you're right back where you started your tolerance built right back up no shit oh yeah really really wondered that your so your tolerance went back to what it was Yeah, brother. I know a lot of alcoholics. You're quite at 21. You could put them back Yeah, you could probably fucking gallon of grain out and be fine. Yeah, it was getting to the point Yeah, by the end of that two months. It was like a gallon of vodka. Yeah So yeah the handles your body you your body just gets used to it Yeah, you know that was like the the crazy thing for me

It was when I stopped drinking. I was I Joe list who's my drinking buddy He quit like six months before me and he kept saying he goes she gets 90 days Yeah, whatever you want drink whatever you want as long as it's not alcohol Soda pizza eat and I was losing weight while I was eating like shit. It's like, cause you're not drinking, you're not eating 5,000 grams of sugar a day. That's exactly it. And then I did the math and I was talking to a doctor

and they're like, well, what did you drink? And I was like, well, I had to have my tolerance by the end was about eight beers and eight shots a night. I would do a shot in a beer and I'd do eight rounds. That's like 16 drinks, but that was, that was like a normal night for me. That wasn't even me getting like blackout. That was just me being like,

oh, fucking having some drinks. So it's great, I always wondered if I went back, if that, if I would still have it. For about a week I could drink a six pack and I would get shit faced. And then it was like half a gallon of vodka and then three fourths of a gallon of vodka and then the whole gallon. it happened so quickly yeah and then

when you quit again now when you when you got sober again were you kind of like all right like did you miss the sobriety at all um it took a while to click again I think once you let put put it's hard to put the toothpaste back in the tube yeah so it I would be sober for a couple months, relapse, and that went on for like a year. But I would just do one night relapses where I would get shit faced, be hung over for three days. And I was like, I'm never doing it. Yeah.

A couple months go by same thing one night. And I did that up until I moved to Austin and I got super drunk one night. And it was kind of a simple thing that I lost my phone and I lost my wallet and I woke up in a green room of some podcast studio and I didn't have my car keys and I was living in my car and I was like, dude, I'm too old for this shit. I've lost my home, my home is gone, the car. Yeah, your ID.

My ID. Your way of contacting anyone. So I do not exist right now. I'm like a hobo. So yeah, without the car, you're just a homeless person. Yeah. It takes kind of the romance away from. Living in the car, you're Bob Dylan.

Without the car, you're a vagrant. So yeah, that was part of that. So Austin, you've been sober the whole time. Yeah. Yeah, I moved there and I got sober maybe a month later. Oh, nice. Yeah. Yeah. Uh huh. Yeah. I moved there and I got sober maybe a month later. Oh, nice. Yeah. That's yeah. It's um, comedy is the thing where try it drunk, but quit for sure.

Unless you have control over yourself, which most people don't know. 90% of comics I've met do not. And there's always addictions in different ways. What's crazy is when you see people get sober and get addicted to other stuff, like they don't realize, like they just kind of push that energy into something else. And you're like, I've seen people get sober and get addicted to exercise, which you think would be incredible.

Yeah. But instead you're like, oh no, they're more unbearable than they were when they were blackout drunk because they're talking about proteins and like exercises and what they could do for me. And you're like, shut the fuck up. You're they could do for me and you're like shut the fuck up. You're not doing anything for me. Yeah. So it's the only thing worse than someone on coke trying to start a business or drunk telling you the same story three times is a sober person telling you

about their routine that they work out and their sets and you're like shut the fuck up. It's a nightmare and they're watching every single thing they eat. That's my least favorite type of person is people go, Oh, I's a nightmare and they're watching every single thing they eat. That's my least favorite type of person as people go Oh, I shouldn't I Hate that just eat it. Are you uh Now that when you were sober, did you get super into candy? Yeah for sure. Yes soda. Yeah Yeah, soda and candy soda can't well your body craves the sugar. Yeah, and I still have like oh, yeah I have a big sweet tooth

Dude, I was just in Canada and they have real chocolate up there well and so I you go to the airport and you're like, ah I just like stuffed all these things in there and then I was sick and I forgot I bought all this chocolate and yesterday I'm packing for Florida tomorrow and I'm like, oh I'm like And you're like yeah that addict still in me just like Katie comes in the bedroom. I'm like get oh, and you're like, yeah, that addict still in me. I'm just like, Katie comes in the bedroom. I'm like, get out of your slut.

I'm eating my fucking chocolate. I ate a piece of carrot cake from a bodega last night at like 3 AM. Hey, welcome to New York. Pretty cool. That is the thing. You know, I think each city has its own advantages. Sometimes people try to do this thing where they're like, like Austin right now. The big thing is people that live there,

try to sell you on it. We're like, it's where you have to move. It's where everything's going on. You're like, it's got great stuff about it, but there's stuff I don't like about it. New York, a ton of stuff not to like. One of the stuff that is great is everything is open. Yeah. Oh, I love that. You can get a piece of carrot cake at three in the morning. Yeah. And it was pretty good carrot cake. Yeah. It probably gave me, yeah, Lou Gehrig's disease or something. If you get ALS from carrot cake, I'm fucking tracking down that bodega. We're suing the fuck out of them today.

And you got three shows at Gotham, right? Yeah, just two shows, two shows tonight at Gotham. That would be fucking awesome. Yeah, it's pretty cool, man. So, yeah, this whole tour has been amazing. I was telling him outside last year, I would headline stuff even two years ago. But yeah, I could never move tickets.

And last year I did Chickasha, Oklahoma and Bisbee, Arizona. And I sold probably 10 tickets combined between two cities. We also pick and fucking. Sure, hard markets. Chickasha. I lived in Tucson. Bisbee is five fuck. Yeah, I can't still think it's a business and I started in Tucson Yeah, that's where Stan Hope lives. Yes. Yeah, we may go by his house. We made gumbo. Yeah, he was really nice We made gumbo fucking awesome He was super nice to me. Yeah, Stan Hope is the man. You know, he's so cool and that Christine Levine and

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How nice to meet you. Oh my God, she's great. She was doing a morning show in Tucson. Oh cool. Well, I met her in Austin. She's an old school Austin people, like old, old school Austin. That makes sense.

When it was like a like Velveeta Room and all those those like kind of and I met her down there for my South by Southwest but she's incredible yeah Stan Hope has these people that are just he's always got hilarious unique individuals around yeah that's what I've always loved it I mean Doug is the man yeah like he's the guy that I grew up listening to his albums and you're like, oh, there's no one better than this guy Oh me too. And I love that a unbookables documentary with Sean Rouse Yeah, and Christine's in that as well as a junior in that I think so I don't know if junior was a little bit later or not. But yeah, yeah Sean Rouse was so you know recipe

So fucking so far I give his out when we all became door guys at mothership I I gave everyone a comedy album that I thought that they would like for Christmas. And I gave a bunch of people, Sean Rouse's spilled milk. I think it's a great album. Spilled milk is fucking great. It is a phenomenal album. Yeah. He's so, so unique. His voice is, I think about him often. I wish I could have got to meet him. Yeah. That's a, for me, that guy is Greg Giraldo. Like I got to meet him. Yeah, that's a for me. That guy is Greg Geraldo Like I got to meet him briefly, but didn't get to know him and he's a guy where I love to like put people on

Yeah, and be like listen a good day to cross a river Because it's just like you hear him at ComedyWorks in Denver and he's just like so fucking sharp Yeah, he's a guy that I wish was around. Yeah, similar to like a Patrice These guys that die that you're like, I want to know what he would say about this shit. You know, because I think I'm envious of people that are really good at like, I love people like I'm jealous of people that can be silly kind of without any nets, but I'm also jealous of people that stand by their opinion. Yeah.

When they have an opinion and they're like, I I'm gonna drive it like a Bilber or something Cuz I'm always like is this wrong? I know I feel like this is wrong. I have no spine and that's so foreign to me that Yeah, I am a unique person in my own ways But that is so foreign to me having any sort of opinion about anything and driving at home Except movies and music. Yeah. Yeah, I Professional wrestling is the only thing I have yeah turn opinions on but I can't go up there be like I'm gonna tell you why I Saw a bloodline verse bloodline coming for a fucking mile out. But yeah, I um, I Think it's a I think it's awesome to watch a guy like you, you know, I think

Kill Tony's done a lot for some unique comics. You know, I've seen him help out people like Kim Kongden and that kind of stuff. But with you, you were a clip that I saw where I was like, this guy's funny. And then Shane was like, oh, dude, that Casey Rockett guy, he's like, he's fucking funny. And then I saw a couple clips and I was like, oh, hell yeah. And it's been great watching you kind of like keep leveling up. Yeah. Well, I just trying to show people different sides of me. It's Killtony's been a great platform for me and then also people getting to see what it's actually like the longer sets.

That's what you want. Yeah the minute is so limiting yeah. Because that's kind of like a Costco sample. Yeah it's not representative of what I really do and most of it doesn't make any fucking sense which is the point yeah but it doesn't make any sense the one minute. It should be The one minute it should be for a minute like you did the Madison Square Garden shows. When you go up there and do a minute in front of Madison Square Garden, that's got to be fucking terrifying because all you have is a minute. Yeah. Uh huh. And it's an arena.

An arena takes a fucking you got to get them going. Yeah. Yeah. It takes a second. Do you feel like you had to change your set a ton for that? Well, a lot of my jokes are really short. They're like, most of them aren't even traditional set up punchline jokes, so I just made sure I had something good in the beginning that would get a laugh, and then,

that was just my thought process, is to fit as many little jokes into the minute, so, you know, economy of word style, yeah. I mean, because I did, if you told me to do a minute, I'd be like, I don't even know if I could get to my punch line. Yeah. I'd just be stuck in a setup. And that's what most people are like.

My stuff is mostly one sentence throwaway stuff. So I can fit a ton of stuff in there. Yeah. Which is great. Having a style that benefits you in certain positions, Barghetti always used to say this about late night shows. Well, when late nights were still really big, they do auditions for like Conan or like the Tonight Show in New York. Everyone would be stressing about taking out the cuss words or whatever. Nate would be like,

all I got to do is take fuck five minutes of my stuff and go do it. Yeah, because I'm clean, so I don't have to worry about it. Yeah. You're like, ah, fuck. That kind of made me think about what you were saying where you're just like Oh, I've got a bunch of tiny jokes. So it fills a minute more than you think Yeah, it's longer than you but every most people do Yeah, a minute is super hard. So I get it. Yeah, it was funny They were filming a documentary about kill Tony and the producer was like, what's it? Like how hard is it to do a new minute every week? And I was kind of like, fuck you.

Like a new minute? But then when you think about it, you go, that is kind of challenging because you have to make it fit in a minute. And there's no way, I mean, I couldn't even set up a voice in a minute. I'd be like, oh, that'd be crazy if, it'd just be so 80s.

Be like, what if a macho man? And then do it again, and you're like, fuck, I suck. I fucking hate myself. Yeah, it is hard to set it up without being hacky. Do you think you're going to stay in Austin the rest of the time? Or do you see yourself? Because once you start working the road,

you don't really have to be anchored anywhere. Yeah, that's where most of my friends are. We're really close. So I like being in Austin. If I get real wealthy, I'd like to have another apartment in Chicago, I love Chicago. Hell yeah. I would love to have an apartment in Wrigleyville. Yeah.

Go see all the Cubs game, they're huge Cubs guys. Oh really? Oh yeah, die hard Cubs guy. How'd you become a Cubs fan? My family's from Illinois, so my mom currently lives in Illinois and trains horses. But yeah, man, they're all from Illinois, so I grew up a Cups fan.

Ridleyville fucking rules. Oh, it's so cool. So cool. Such good energy. Yeah, I love the Chicago scene, too. They've got a bunch of funny young comics in Chicago. That's what it seems like, yeah. Yeah, and I, it's Jeffrey Asmus, who I love.

Yeah. I first saw him in uh, it, it, Jeffrey Asmus, who I love, uh, I first saw in New York, but he had came up in like, uh, Madison, then Chicago, then New York. And it just seems like Chicago's like, kind of like the cold version of Austin, where it's kind of like, you can go and get good at comedy and then go somewhere else if you need to. Definitely. Yeah. It's a, it's an A level scene. Yeah. There's so many funny people people Peyton Ruddy is another great Chicago guy. Yeah, Mitchell. Yeah. So yeah, I have a lot of good friends from there. That's awesome. Yeah,

Chicago's I like that. I like when I hear people say like cities that I'm like, Yeah, go to go to Chicago. I'm not working against Austin. But I'm just saying like, I like that. Because sometimes comedy feels so like clickish that they're like, if you're not in Austin, you're not anywhere. But there's other cities that are doing it fucking great. Denver's a great city too.

I was just gonna say Denver is a wonderful scene. And I watched Denver, I grew up there, but I didn't start there. So that was a weird thing for me to go back and be like, can I fuck around? But it was guys like Ben Roy, Adam Cain Holland, Holland, Andrew over it all who did like Los Comicos and Grolix. But then those guys, the guys below them were Sam Talent, Chris Sharpie, David Borey, and you would see like the fine gentlemen's club. And so it was kind of awesome. When you see a scene get built up, you're like, this is awesome. Like its own little ecosystem. I like that shit. like this is awesome. Like it's own little ecosystem.

I like that shit. It's a self-breeding thing. Yeah, when there's like, Sam is such an inspiration to so many people. Sam Talent? Yeah, and it makes all the people around him so much better. Yeah. Yeah, I think he's our generation's Stan Hope.

I think so. He was a huge inspiration on me. I saw him in Boise and it changed my whole shit. Yeah, he's so great. Oh, just the way that he riffs? Mm-hmm, yeah. I mean, that guy will go off for an hour on something. Yeah. Like a light will go out. I know. And he'll have an hour on it. He's so fucking smart. Him

and Scoville are in the same school. Yeah. They're brilliant. I call them in a Scoville and Sam are the guys that I watch and I go, I'm a fraud. You just watch them. You go like, I fucking suck. These guys are so good. Rory and I were texting about something and I was just like I Think I gushed too much Cuz like I was like dude. You're the fucking funniest Like I suck I suck so bad Sorry, somebody saw my phone. Sorry dude freak I'm not that big of a freak. Whatever. You're like kind of funny fuck

freak. I'm not that big of a freak. Whatever. You're like kind of funny. Fuck. Well, dude, I appreciate you coming by and hanging out while you're doing comedy festival. Yeah, so exciting. And I'm a huge wrestling fan too. So all this stuff super cool. Oh, yeah, man. People gave me I have like a whole macho man shelf that people were giving me and then they just give me like small random tchotchkes and shit. I have this but in my house, but it's Grimace. It's all Grimace.

Really? You're a Grimace guy? Well, I did it on Kill Tony and a couple different things. I used to do a Grimace podcast. So I have, oh, I have hundreds of Grimace artifacts. When, how did you feel about the Mets adopting them this year? I cut ties with the whole Grimace thing.

I've come to peace with it. He's for the people and he was never mine to begin with. So I got a little bitter about it and I was like, I was the first one who thought that stuff was funny. And then, but I was like, just give it. You hipstered it? You're like, I was into Grimace in 2007.

Yeah. Someone please make a, if you're an artist, please someone do a drawing of KC Rocket with his hand outstretched to a walking away Grimace saying, I need to let you go. I just can't quit. Or do the picture of God touching. The creation of Adam.

The creation of Adam with Grimace and KC Rocket. That's what's so funny is there's so many talented people now like on the internet that listen to podcasts cause they're like bored and they just want to listen to someone they draw that sometimes you toss stuff out there and they'll come back and be like, Hey, I did it. And you're like, Holy shit. I was just joking around. What a world. Yeah, it's fucking nuts. But yeah, Casey rocket comedy.com. Check him out if you trust me, go see him live. The guy's a fucking ball of dynamite. He's hilarious. You're going to enjoy the hell out of it. Casey rocket.com.