Soder - 71: America Shits Itself with Andrew Callaghan | Soder Podcast | EP 69

Starting point is 00:00:00 Grand Rapids, Michigan. I return to your beautiful city March 8th for Gilda's Fest. Obviously the festival dedicated to Gilda Ratner. I will be headlining a show there March 8th. One show. Tickets are on sale now at danceroader.com. I'll see you then. Hopefully it's not freezing cold, but it might be.

Starting point is 00:00:20 And if it is, whatever. I'll wear a jacket. See you March 8th. Grand Rapids, Michigan. I don't think people understand, I'm an alcoholic, so I understand it. In recovery. Yeah, I haven't drank in 12 years,

Starting point is 00:00:40 but kind of the same problem is Kelly, where I smoked too much weed and fucking, it can kind of really bend your brain chemistry. Yeah, I'm stoked to talk about that, because that's like the low key, most controversial part of the movie. Is that he's like, well, the problem, like I think a big problem that's happening,

Starting point is 00:00:58 we just started recording. Yeah, we just rolled it. I'm really fascinated with things that are addictions that aren't treated like addictions, like weed, right, which in the movie, Dear Kelly, go watch it now. Dear Kelly, film doc, Dear Kelly, the film.com the film or just film Dear Kelly, film.com Dear Kelly, film.com rent it or buy it. I suggest buying it so you can watch it more than once.

Starting point is 00:01:21 My guy. Yeah, dude. Fucking go give go give the man your money. But it's fucking once. My guy. Yeah, dude, fucking go give the man your money. Thank you. But it's fucking awesome. But the thing that does, you know, you do the great thing about him with the four banger, him showing up. First off, something that you and Kelly need credit for, you guys go in situations that I would puss out so fast.

Starting point is 00:01:39 What do you think's the main situation in the film that would cause you to puss out? When you go to the dude's office. Oh that scene. Yeah what the fuck dude? You're just up in a guy's office. Yeah you know what's a trip to is I'm being sued by Bill Joyner. What's the most painful piece of truth that's hurt you?

Starting point is 00:01:55 Guy stealing my home. His name is Bill Joyner. Financially. He wanted to destroy me. Destroyed my 25 year business. Separated and devastated my family. So that answers your question. So he really is.

Starting point is 00:02:04 At the end of the movie, you say that Bill Joyner is suing you, but part of it was if you didn't release the movie, he wouldn't bring the lawsuit. Yeah, so he sued us like way before it came out. And it basically said there's like eight different counts we're gonna slam you for, intentional infliction of emotional distress, defamation, civil stalking,

Starting point is 00:02:22 a violation of the Federal Wiretap Act, like insane litany of false. Never got him on the phone. Never. But he's claiming that actually tapped his phone lines, which you didn't like the wire. Yeah, no, I didn't do shit, but so check out a wire up. We got a wire up on. So this is going to blow your mind. So you know that scene in the film where I visit his office and I talked to like a bunch of random corporate white collar guys. Yeah, where you're outside, everyone's stoked for free lunch on a Thursday. Yes.

Starting point is 00:02:45 Who doesn't love a free lunch? Right. So in the lawsuit, it says that I interviewed one of his employees in the film. So one of those dudes on free lunch Thursday was actually a Bill Joiner cadet. Was the guy that played in the Major League related to Joiner? I don't think so.

Starting point is 00:03:00 I think Joiner's like a pretty common last name. OK. I know that because I tried to find Bill joiner for like two years So you spent time? Did you put in time on shit like when you went back and watched the hundred hours of interviews you had with Kelly and his Kids and you started going through Kelly's past life of being being disbarred. Yeah him Financial troubles his 44 animals his wife didn't want to name it, but he sure did financial troubles, his 44 animals, his wife didn't want to name it but he sure did. But at that point I'm like, did you know how much fucking work you have to put in

Starting point is 00:03:29 to go and re-watch stuff? Yeah. So Joyner, when I heard it, when you're at the Starbucks and he's like, I know so we'll or whatever the guy Joyner. Bill Joyner. Yeah. Oh Willie, Wally Joyner. Wally Joyner. Former MLB baseball player. For the Tigers. Immediately that goes to the part where Kelly is talking about he's Yeah, oh Willie Wally join Wally joiner former MLB baseball player for the Tigers Immediately you that goes to the part where Kelly is talking about he's never seen him and I was Hi watching it being like well, you know if his brother is an MLB pitcher. Yeah, he's about to be a big boy Yeah, so I was waiting to see I was waiting for this reveal So you think Bill joiner is a big guy physically, but then I realized that wasn't his brother Yeah, and then I'm like,

Starting point is 00:04:09 I don't even know if he exists. Well, in Kelly's mind, Bill joiner is like this tiny demonic guy, like some four foot 11, like sniveling people who hides behind his lawyers and all this shit. But I've been able to confirm through third parties that Bill joiners around like five foot nine. Also he's not like insanely small. He's like Joe Rogan's height. Yeah, but he's not like insanely small. He's like Joe Rogan's height. Yeah, but he's not an imposing figure. He's not like giant and could fucking break his bones.

Starting point is 00:04:32 Break Kelly's bones. Kelly, though, is jacked. I mean, Kelly stays in shape for sure. When they showed the video of him in his son riding bikes, you're like, that's an old that's a jacked man when he's behind him. Yeah. But the part that you bring up

Starting point is 00:04:43 with Kelly that I thought was really interesting was the weed addiction that he was because you don But the part that you bring up with Kelly that I thought was really interesting was the weed addiction. That he was, cause you don't really show him getting high. You don't really make it a reference that Kelly's getting high. But in the intervention, his kids bring it up. They're like, you're high, constantly.

Starting point is 00:04:59 I mean, that by far is the most controversial part of the documentary. Is, you know, spoiler alert, he goes to rehab after the intervention. And he's diagnosed by this rehab facility as a cannabis addict. Which? Which, I mean, I'm not gonna say that like-

Starting point is 00:05:11 I think it's true, because I mean, I would probably say as an addict, I am addicted to weed. Yeah. But I would also say, it doesn't grab me as much as alcohol did. So I think when it doesn't damage your life as much, you're kind of like, is it an addiction? I think it's sort of like hijacked his dopamine reward systems. Sure. You know what I mean? To where he's like he's

Starting point is 00:05:31 having a good day or bad day. It's not determined on like how his day is actually going. But if he's high or not. Yeah. And then you take like the the obviously we know that people who have, obviously we know the people who are prone to schizophrenia, sometimes they smoke some of this new high grade shit like doing dabs and all this crazy, you know, science experiments and they go a little bit off the rails because that shit is like dabs to me is drugs. I mean dude, dabs is, it's the crack of weed.

Starting point is 00:05:56 Dude, it is. It is, I, shout out to the guy in Providence that worked at the head shop, I was working the comedy connection and one day he was like, this is like 10 years ago. He's like, dude, come on out, I'll give you a pipe, you can get a DVD porn. And I was like, sick.

Starting point is 00:06:11 And then he's like, and I go and I get this stuff, and he's like, I've got a dab rig in the back, and I took a dab, and it fucked, I've been smoking weed every day since I was like 15. It fucked me up so bad, I had to sit in my rental car for like 90 minutes, to the point that he got done with his shift and walked out of the head shop and I was just chilling in my rental car and he went like, hey.

Starting point is 00:06:32 I was like sweating bullets, like fucking hands on a tangent. I just talked to my grandpa and I've never met him. That's where I was mentally. I'm like, I'm so fucked up. But it is, it's like dabs, fuck your shit up. So people can get high in ways. This isn't the 90s where it was like, pick some seeds out, smoke a couple joints,

Starting point is 00:06:52 you feel a little like, your brain can get bent on powerful new weed. The new weed is like bad. That's where I'm at in my age. I'm 40, I'm about to be 42. When I go to dispensaries now, I make sure I get THC under 22% mmm, like I don't want that fucking 29 30%

Starting point is 00:07:10 Give me a 18% because then it feels like it used to yeah, dude What I do is I try to go for like more of a CBD ratio. Sure. I probably smoke like maybe once a week I was just in Jamaica. I was smoking like no exaggeration like five splits a day That's sick though But I wasn't getting that high because I was hanging out with these like Rastafarian dudes who actually grew the weed on their property. So, you know, there's no chemicals. Dude, it was chill. No paranoid thoughts. I wasn't like going back into my past lives. That's sick. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:07:36 You're just like hanging with Rastas. No paranoia, no paranoia at all. They also created like a very chill environment. It's not a stereotype. These dudes are like cooking. I tell tell which is like vegan Jamaican food. They're like frying up plantains, making curried beans and lentils, smoking weed on the beach. You know what I mean? I was like, wow, I love weed. I come home. I meet up with my homie Elliot. I hit his like dispensary weed one time immediately. They ruined spiral. Yeah. Spiral got to go lay down and put a blanket over.

Starting point is 00:08:04 It makes me think it can't just be that they're like the weed here is stronger I think that it's being like fucking manipulated fucked with augmented find out put channel 5 on it next document you're the only journalist I trust really I swear to God hell yeah I have a journalism degree really you do better journalism then do any of the networks that's sick. I have a journalism degree. Really? You do better journalism than do any of the networks. That's sick that you have a journalism degree though. I mean I just wanted you know something that I was doing stand-up in college and I was like I want to learn about the media. Yeah. I want to learn about the media and politics because I think so many people and this movie does a great

Starting point is 00:08:37 job of that of how people are manipulated by media and politics. Basically Kelly's whole life. Yeah. His life is funneled into this like, Trump, the election was stolen, which, I mean dude, I might jump all over the place in this interview, because I've watched all your shit, but they really, you see how they come in and go like, they take a thing you made, and they go, fuck this. We need to put our, we're gonna put our own stuff on it,

Starting point is 00:09:03 and you go, but you didn't even make it. And then they wonder why YouTube and digital media is doing bigger numbers. It's like it's because we don't have to have this corporate oversight. Because you're trying to make it like advertiser safe. Yeah. But real advertisers will take risks

Starting point is 00:09:16 for like enjoyable controversial content. So it's like who is the advertiser you're talking about? Is it Pepsi, is it Dasani? It's someone that's disconnected. It's usually when they're talking about someone that wants to edit it like that, it's someone who doesn't have any connection to the product. Yeah. And they're thinking about shareholders, profits.

Starting point is 00:09:34 They're not thinking like, does this work? Does this fit for it? Because I liked your name way better than This Place Rules. So for those who don't know, it was supposed to be called America Shits Itself. Which is great. Everybody- America Shits Itself would have been the greatest title. Everybody on the team was like, let's do this. Even Jonah Hill was like going to bat. He was

Starting point is 00:09:51 telling HBO, he was like, we're calling it this. I'm fucking drawing a line in the sand. And they were just like, you got to change it or it can't go out. America shits itself. Fucking rules. Super sick. And they said the same thing. They were such a great name. They were like, you know, the S word's gonna ruffle some feathers. I was like, come on. Dude, it's everywhere now. Yeah. Shit is everywhere. They say it on network television.

Starting point is 00:10:11 They say shit now. They say shit. I watch it on TV, on TBS, they say shit. On all these networks, they're saying shit. You're like, it's not a big deal anymore. Yeah. They can see way worse. Like it's way worse.

Starting point is 00:10:21 Well, I think that's what's awesome about Channel 5 is something that you have a superpower at is, which I'm trying to learn, is how to stay silent when people are talking. And you fucking sit there, like I just watched, you were at the Trump inauguration, you just do a bunch of stuff, but you let people say what they need to say, which then changes what you're making,

Starting point is 00:10:44 based on what they're saying. You gotta kinda like let them follow their own path. Especially like somebody who goes through the process of going to Office Depot or Staples, getting markers, getting a cardboard sign, going home, writing shit on it, that sounds funny, physically going to a location, holding it up and screaming, that's insane.

Starting point is 00:11:01 It's insane. No matter what you think. So when I talk to somebody at like a protest, like they're ready. They're just waiting for the right person to ask them, hey, what's insane No matter what you think so when I talk to somebody like a protest like they're ready They're just waiting for the right person to ask them Hey, what's on your mind and as soon as you ask them that boom? It's like shooting fish in a barrel in terms of content not saying that I want to shoot them Yeah, but I'm just like when you do that because I mean you it's it's funny How you get these people that are like locked and loaded with their opinion? Yeah when the guy was like

Starting point is 00:11:23 We need to get rid of education at the Trump inauguration. He's like, we need to get rid of education. And then he turns around and he's like, we're not educated enough. And you're like, you just contradicted yourself. Yeah, I cut a part of that interview out where I was talking to the guy, because he was saying like,

Starting point is 00:11:36 we need to abolish public schools. And I'm like, dude, what kind of school did you go to? He's like, a public school. And I'm like, did you like any of your teachers? He's like, no, they fucking sucked. And I'm like, did you like any of your teachers? He's like, no, they fucking sucked. And I was like, which teacher in particular was the worst? And he's like, my fucking wrestling coach. He would like never let me get on varsity and like made me show up early to practice. And now I'm showing him that I'm tough and strong.

Starting point is 00:11:56 Yeah, but no, I'm saying that is similar to the Kelly equation, which is like you take a tragic personal situation, some political movement comes around that like has this really binary view of the world, good versus bad angels versus demons Hard-working red-blooded American Patriots being robbed blind by this like nebulous dark force. Yeah, and you're like, you know what? I don't I know that my situation might not be electoral or presidential but it fits Yes, and they don't have that on the left. Well, they did I think the left really did that back in like 2016 2017 and I saw a lot of comedians saw it where they were going

Starting point is 00:12:27 like no white guys on a show. And you're like, that's ridiculous. Yeah, right. Like how is that any better than the things that you're supposed to be fighting against? Yeah, I think they're like inclusive. We gotta be inclusive, but no white dudes. And you're like, that's a weird.

Starting point is 00:12:42 They were actually saying that. Oh yeah. I guess I was like in high school. So yeah, we're out. Oh, this is what's interesting about this, this right wing wave is it is a response to the mid teens. Absolutely. When they were going like, fuck white dudes.

Starting point is 00:12:58 We don't need white dudes. We don't need. In fact, I would even go as far as to argue. That's what made Joe Rogan right wing. Cause you go back and you look at him in 2013, 2014, he's saying a lot of the liberal viewpoints about like tax the rich, do this, do that. And then with COVID, which hurt a lot of people's brains, I think they just like banged on him of like, oh, you don't believe in vaccines.

Starting point is 00:13:21 And he just kept pushing him till finally he was like I fucking love Trump The man he wants not doing nothing shady and you're like, that's wild dude. It's crazy I really think like the best example of like actual solidarity that threatened the government itself was the Occupy movement Yeah, cuz that wasn't even necessarily, you know left versus right It was like the collective people working-class people versus the richest in the country Which is always gonna be the thing they're afraid of I think the last Occupy style point of solidarity was like the mid 1960s civil rights movement. That time period where we're like, you know what? We're done with this shit. You had almost every single movement that we see today,

Starting point is 00:13:56 social movement formed in the sixties. Yeah. Animal rights, Chicano rights, black, even white working class union shit really started back then. And if you look at it, the FBI strategically deployed like programs to take the leaders out, to disrupt the solidarity between a lot of these communities and kind of turn them against each other. And it actually worked.

Starting point is 00:14:14 And by the 80s, you had Reagan come in and be like, anyone complaining is a fucking pussy. Pick yourself up. Are you an American? Go to work and you're gonna become me one day. And then now you're kind of seeing, I look at the period between 2012 Occupy movement and 2016 as our FBI infiltration moment Yeah, cuz all of a sudden 2016 comes around and there's like you got these smart dudes who happen to be white and someone's like

Starting point is 00:14:37 Can you please hold space for the people who you are marginalized and they're like what I have a great idea and someone's like I know you have a great idea, but your heteronormative positioning is making you unable to actually have a good idea. And so I think that a lot of that is like, you're taking people when they're 18, 19, and they're kind of awkward. They're trying to figure out who they are in the world, whether they're black, white, man, woman, or whatever,

Starting point is 00:14:56 and you tell someone you can have an automatic leg up socially on all these fucking white dudes if you just posture yourself as a super hardcore, it's my moment type of Yeah, I mean what you do is you see you you are literally handing someone a knife and they go stab people in the back You'll get ahead of course, which is which is An American thing a very American thing is to go like break a treaty Go profit. Absolutely. And if you look at the actual ownership structures, they're not changing

Starting point is 00:15:22 No like if you look at you know all these colleges that are not changing. No. If you look at all these colleges that are pushing this hardcore rich leftist gentrifier agenda, like liberal agenda, which is like, you know what I mean? Put up a Black Lives Matter yard sign, give your cash app, go move to Bushwick and push people out of their area. That's what they're doing. But it's crazy because these people that claim to be helping,

Starting point is 00:15:40 you're hurting the neighborhood by putting up these, I used to call them spaceships in Bushwick. I bet you're hurting the neighborhood by putting up these ice calm spaceships in in Bushwick I'd like you're building these spaceships And you're making all these poor people have to move because they can't afford the fucking rent anymore And that is like if not the most that is like the most pressing Social class issue in the u.s. Right now. It's 100% and like but it's the one thing they're not like canceling each other for well They're also not gonna be I mean You know my family's from the Bay Area and watching my dad lived there in the 90s and I would go there a lot

Starting point is 00:16:07 And watching what the Bay Area was in the 90s. It was very like People could afford it. Everyone lived with each other You had like lawyers and artists living near each other and then now because of the tech boom They just pushed everyone out to them from Seattle. It's the exact same. Yeah Well, there's a there's a piece of land in Seattle by the sound, I think it's by the sound, that Bezos bought up and kicked people out. Because I used to work in Kirkland.

Starting point is 00:16:36 I would go to Kirkland and work this club, and I remember one time I was going from T-Sac to the club, and there was just homeless people on the exit ramp in a way I had never seen. And the club owner was like, oh Amazon just bought a bunch of this like low income area housing and fucking kicked people out. Yeah, it's crazy man.

Starting point is 00:16:53 Especially like I grew up in Capitol Hill. Yeah. And I like to say that I grew up like after grunge and before tech. Yeah. So it's like that weird window where Seattle, in my opinion had its like, had its moment. It was sick when I was growing up, right the hill and then Amazon moved their corporate campus to a neighborhood called South Lake Union

Starting point is 00:17:09 In like 2013 when I was a sophomore in high school and they tore down that whole neighborhood But it was like industrial before that so we're like alright You know what that might be the thing that he was actually talking about go ahead and build your corporate campus there It's totally fine. But then the problem was they were importing all of these like corporate campus there, it's totally fine. But then the problem was they were importing all of these random remote workers and shit into Seattle. So I think you had like a thousand Amazon employees move from somewhere else to Seattle

Starting point is 00:17:34 every single week for like five years. And the average residency of an Amazon employee in Seattle was I think between 14 to 16 months because they would get promoted then go somewhere else. Austin, Portland, wherever they're going. And so it got to the point where all the Amazon employees had to have a place to live. So they all moved to Capitol Hill. So developers sold the city out, literally bulldozed the entire neighborhood.

Starting point is 00:17:58 So your neighborhood is 100% different than what it was when you grew up. Every dope coffee shop like Bauhaus, so many like institutions just got bulldozed because the city wanted to give tax breaks to Bezos, which is 0% taxes, and stimulate the economy. So the Capitol Hill neighborhood, the central district, all that shit is totally gone. And then, you know, COVID happens, all the workers start working remotely.

Starting point is 00:18:19 And they realize, dude, I can make my Amazon paycheck and move to Idaho and have some land full of chill-ass people where no one's gonna make fun of me for being a tech bro. They're like, they leave, I can make my Amazon paycheck and move to Idaho and have some land full of chill ass people where no one's gonna make Fun of me for being a tech, bro They're like they leave I would too So now Seattle is a ghost town full of empty skyscrapers and the landlords won't won't lower the rents So we have this homelessness happening and half the city is vacant apartments. It's exactly what San Francisco is Yeah, and then you have fucking Republican pundits come in and be like look at these liberals and their dumbass bullshit

Starting point is 00:18:44 Yeah, look what happened to their city. And you go, well, they had, because a lot of what would happen in the Bay Area was you'd get seed money, right? From tech, these tech companies would get like angel investors that would drop seed money. And so then these guys are getting like, oh, I can spend a million dollars on a penthouse

Starting point is 00:19:00 because I got a fucking $17 million seed for my fucking tech company. But then it fizzles out. There's no more money coming in after the 17 million. And now they're like, well, fuck this. I'm going to go take it where it's easier for me to live and develop my product. And now this million dollar, there's a comic named Tom Rhodes, old school comic hilarious. I love him to death. We were talking about the bet. He used to live in San Francisco in the early nineties. He bought an apartment in the Embarcadero for like, in San Francisco in the early 90s. He bought an apartment in the Embarcadero for like, he told me, I forget what it was, something like $115,000, $130,000. Bought an apartment.

Starting point is 00:19:32 He told me this is in 2016. He told me that apartment was worth like $7.5 million now. And you're like, it's not a different apartment. No, it's the exact same exact same apartment, exact same location. San Francisco, for the most part has all the same shit. Yeah. It's not a different apartment. No, it's the exact same. It's the exact same apartment, exact same location. San Francisco, for the most part, has all the same shit. Yeah. It's just because of that rent. That's what I like about Channel 5 is you do a great job of showing these, that news uses millionaires and billionaires use the media in order to make people like Kelly feel like you're a soldier on our side.

Starting point is 00:20:05 Right. And you're fighting the darkness that it's like CNN bitches about Trump. Right. But they made the most money they've ever made as a, as a company when he was in office from 2016 to 2020. Of course it was their biggest cash cow. And what they did is like they systematically fell in line with the DNC and disenfranchised Bernie Sanders in 2016.

Starting point is 00:20:23 Which is like calling him Bernie Bros. And that was our guy. He was literally there to be like, no dude, I want fucking, I want people to have livable wages. The income disparity is getting too wide. And everyone was like, what are you, a Bernie bro? Oh, I forgot that. And it made it sound like you were wearing Abercrombie

Starting point is 00:20:41 and Fitch in 2004 with your collar popped being like, what's up, bro? And you're like, no it's actually kind of some cool ideas. Well the thing that personally hit me that I've been sending a link to channel 5 for forever, I grew up in Aurora, Colorado. Oh dude. I grew up in Aurora. So when the Venezuelan thing happened in the Trente de Agua, like it was amazing to me because I finally had something to give to my friends that were like in on the right wing being like, because I have fans that are both liberal and conservative, I don't give a fuck what your political views are. I truly think it's rich versus poor

Starting point is 00:21:18 now. Oh it's yeah. And that's where it's always been. But it's especially you know prominent now. Prominent, it's very prominent now. It's very obvious now with all the billionaires making moves the way they're doing, where you're going. Like you're either a bootlicker or you're trying to change shit. But Aurora specifically, a lot of people that are indoctrined by these like media sites, right wing specifically right now are the ones that are doing it. The most of it. Yeah, they'd be like, dude, sorry, Aurora's

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Starting point is 00:22:58 of the entire documentary. Because you are, you're there talking to them without anything lost in translation. Yeah. And that moment where you're talking to that guy and you're like, you're laughing. Why are you laughing? And he's like, do you know how dangerous it was for me to get here? Yeah. He's like, not even the American border, the South Mexican border. Oh, totally. And he was like, I lost all this shit.

Starting point is 00:23:20 He's like, I fought to get here to send my money back to my family. And you're calling me like a gang member? Yeah, just imagine you walk through the jungle. You leave Venezuela into Columbia on foot. You walk through the Darien Gap. There's like, crocodiles trying to eat you and shit. People are dropping around you like flies like it's Phoenix in the summertime.

Starting point is 00:23:37 Just dropping, you're like, ah, sorry, dead weight. We gotta keep moving. Keep going, put a t-shirt over your head. You take buses through Mexico for like two months. Cartel fools are extorting you, taking advantage of migrants, holding the rich ones ransom. Keep going, put a t-shirt over your head. You take buses through Mexico for like two months. Cartel fools are extorting you, taking advantage of migrants, holding the rich ones ransom. Mexican police also are systematically extorting you at every single border checkpoint

Starting point is 00:23:54 for your watch, your shoes. You finally get to the US border, for some reason, it's open. Because Joseph R. Biden and Kamala Harris... There's all of a sudden some Texas Ranger pulls up and he's like, get in Venice, Wayland's we're going to Colorado to the sanctuary cities. You get there, you get through a shitty apartment. There's a couple of kids at the apartment. One of them's named cookie. He robs an old lady and then fucking next thing,

Starting point is 00:24:18 you know, there's 150 YouTubers, live streamers, dudes with maggot t-shirts and baseball helmets and ski goggles with gimbals on their back live streaming being like what's the craziest thing? You've seen over here. Yeah, you have Sean handy doing a walk through my ass pulls up out of nowhere I'm all fucking like hey, I'm trying to tell the truth Yeah, people are just like dude. What the fuck is going on when you got there. Did you was it a circus like that? We just like uncontrollable and I mean like you have, you have a gringo like you coming up and speaking Spanish to them.

Starting point is 00:24:49 Were they like? They're automatically just like, oh thank God, they're excited. Yeah. You know, cause Spanish is also just a beautiful language. So when you speak it to them, it's nicer. Even if they spoke English, they'd prefer to be spoken to in Spanish.

Starting point is 00:24:59 Fuck yeah. If I were in a Spanish speaking country and someone came up to me and they're like, how you doing dude? I'd be like, oh dude, I'm fucking good. This is great I can talk to you in my native language that I feel the most comfortable with and I can express myself the easiest through This language but what's funny how I knew because in the documentary or in the channel five segment you do a great job of Showing the owner of that apartment complex. Yeah, went down to Clearwater, Florida, fed

Starting point is 00:25:26 that to a right wing, basically like a propaganda farm. I mean, honestly, just a PR firm. PR firm. I don't even think they see themselves as political. It's almost like a lawyer. It's just like a necessary service. You know what I mean? You can pay, the union between lawyers, PR firms, and real estate agents is like something

Starting point is 00:25:42 that's been ruining the country for like 200 years. Yeah. You know, because it's like, and they're just like, fuck, you know why we don't know where to put our retired hots. Yeah. We put all of our retired hots in there. We go like, you are so hot in your twenties, please go sell houses in your forties. And they're just like, I'm going to mark up the fuck out of this cause these old guys want to fuck me. Yeah, exactly.

Starting point is 00:26:03 We have an old hot problem in this country, especially in Florida. Yo, my God, that's Arizona. Cause I lived in Tucson for a while and you go up to Scottsdale and you'd be like, Oh, it's like, um, it's like when they take like, uh, animals that were bred in captivity, but want them to be outside, but they can't put them in nature cause they'll get killed. They put them in like Scottsdale or like Tampa. Scottsdale, Clearwater, just like places to die. Yeah, and they go, go be hot. Yeah. It causes all the damage you want right here.

Starting point is 00:26:31 But there, when the guy went down to Clearwater and did this like PR for him, you saw it. And how I knew it was bullshit, before Channel 5 came out, before any of this, how I knew it was bullshit was I read a news article, a news article, something came up on Twitter that I clicked on it and it was like, Venezuelans have taken over a quiet Colorado town. Oh, Aurora. And you're like dog, Aurora's never been. Watch my HBO special where I do the Aurora voice. Cause it really is white

Starting point is 00:27:01 dudes with X games accents. Wait, can you do it real quick? Like like what's up bro or though I I don't even fucking know dude I'm smoking a new port that came through I fucking smashed his ass it really is like that's like how um Aberdeen Washington and Eureka California it's like the specific breed of like tweakers who are perpetually in recovery yeah like I knew when you found the rapper yeah you always find a rapper. Yeah, shout out uncle pill Uncle pill dropping that end bomb though. And at that I was like uncle pill. You're about to get punched in the face I know dude, like pill made a new song cuz he was like, yo, dear. Kelly's doing numbers blood I'm gonna come up with a new song, right?

Starting point is 00:27:37 His new song is just like basically like him like the lyrics are just him being like pill can't say the n-word Fuck you bitch and the whole song the whole song It's just like pills pill. My name is like I'm just like bro This is not the mark what I love is Chico and Stockton and all those areas around the bay have the bay accent Oh, yeah, we're like, what's up buster? No, it's a mark. Yes buster and you like hear that like that's why I love Marshawn Lynch. Yeah, cuz he's got such a thick Bay Area accent that when you hear him talk You're like that dude is from Oakland. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:28:06 Like you can hear it. And it's literally like you can look at it like an earthquake spreading from San Francisco. Like all the Frisco natives live in Oakland and all the Oakland fools are in like SAC and Stockton. They're all out because you can't, people can't even afford Walnut Creek anymore. Which was like... Walnut Creek's always been rich, right? It's always been kind of nice, but now it's like...

Starting point is 00:28:22 Now it's like Aspen. Now, yeah. Now it's like you can't even fucking come close, but Aurora growing up was always Middle class like like middle to lower middle class with some very nice areas Like but the thing I know is everyone else from Denver would shit on it, dude That's the thing is like it's almost like they use certain buzzwords to program and get people upset Yeah, like, you know Colorado is a place where everyone thinks it's just a bunch of white people So you say like the average person thinks like oh Colorado likes it is white

Starting point is 00:28:53 It is very white a lot of white people there But it's like they say the same thing about Seattle, Washington. So it's like, you know, obviously They think like migrant gangs taking over Colorado hits a lot harder than like a migrant gang taking over a small Nevada town Like I will let them do whatever the fuck So I think that works pretty well But like you know that like Colfax has always been like to Colfax blade fucking rough always been that way Since we have something like Colfax in Seattle called Aurora and uh, it's like everybody from Seattle is like, you watch yourself on Aurora

Starting point is 00:29:23 Yeah, and so if you were a migrant, you live somewhere that's cheap. Yes. Fuck where they're not going to check for your papers. And every single bad neighborhood in America has has gangs. Everyone because it's a form of protection for a lot of people that live there. Yeah. And sometimes people just want to make quick money. Yeah. Because they're in a bad fucking spot because they're living in a bad area. When I moved out of Colorado and I would tell people I was from Aurora, their expression was always like, Oh, yeah. They were never like,

Starting point is 00:29:52 if I was from Highlands ranch, if I was from like Boulder, they probably would have been like, I love like Pearl Street. I love that flat iron, but Aurora, they're always like, like oh that's why I made I'm not joking I didn't mean to wear this but I'm wearing a rock a 225 shirt dude hell yeah because that's what goes through Aurora yeah shout out to Aurora I love it down there great people strong people yeah just like regular people doing their thing yeah being regular and then this Venice and then now I got people from Aurora sending me right wing things one of the this guy that I was DMing with he was from

Starting point is 00:30:30 He sent me like Liberty News It was something like that or was America first news, right? Right and it was like yo, bro I know you've been acting like nothing's going down in Aurora, but look at this and I wrote back I was like dude, you got got, you got got, and it's all good, but you got got. And he's like, did I, my car got broken into what happened in the nineties motherfucker. Yeah. Like that happened all the time. That isn't a new thing, but people love it's what Kelly went through. Yeah. People love

Starting point is 00:30:59 to have a personal thing and to funnel it into a much larger thing where they feel like We're taking on evil do it exactly and like you they almost create these correlations in their mind Yeah, like it's a sequence of events that might not even be true to reality Yeah, like first this happens with my house in Kelly's case and he's like and then this happens with the election like it's all theft Like yeah, honestly, it is all theft. I mean the world is based upon the exploitation of the poor Yeah, and I hate to break it to you. The US is all theft Yeah

Starting point is 00:31:29 You can go to a couple reservations and have some talks with people where they're like you guys jacked all this shit 100% and speaking of gangs we also started those yeah, like gangs began here Even the gangs that people see as being like these Central American threats like MS 13 18th Street those started in LA and They all started they also started and grew in American prisons and then Reagan deported those people to El Salvador These are these poor El Salvadorian people get you know, basically taken over by American trained gangs Which is crazy that come back with their tattoos that are like an American tiger style on their whole chest Yeah, and then we're like bro. What the fuck is going on get these foreigners out of the country. I didn't even know that I didn't know that it goes back to Reagan

Starting point is 00:32:11 Sending them to El Salvador MS-13 started in Koreatown in Los Angeles because the Salvadorians were getting bullied by the Mexicans who were living there So MS-13 the reason they go like this is because it started off as like a black metal like hangout club So these Salvadorian kids who would like do this they'd listen to like black Sabbath Yeah, talk about how they're tired again pushed around by Mexicans And then so like they just started getting more and more savage Yeah, and so they took it to the next level, you know what I mean? Yeah, fuck yeah!

Starting point is 00:32:48 Then they started going to jail, and they were like, oh shit, Full Sync were actually satanic, because in Mexico they're pretty scared of, like, demons. Well, they're very, it's a Catholic country. Yeah. It's a very Catholic country. So they're thinking, like, how do we scare all these Mexicans? Let's act like we're demons. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:33:01 And so it worked. And 18th Street formed as a rival Salvadorian gang because now these new Salvadorians came And they're like we want to hang out with you guys MS was like fuck you for we're the guys Yeah, and it's still going. I mean, it's still a big presence in you know, California That's the thing about this idea about gangs most people especially like news consumers Don't even know how close they actually are to gangs. There's gangs everywhere You might just not see them. Sure. But you got people who are like,

Starting point is 00:33:26 I live in an upscale part of San Diego and I'm sick of these gangs coming across the border. It's like, well dude, if you actually knew what was going on in your city, you might realize there was some gangs. There's gangs. There's also crazy rich kid high school gangs, dude, which was going to bring up the thing I was just thinking about. I'm obviously, much older than you. When Crips and Bloods in the 90s started spreading everywhere, I'd be in Aurora, again.

Starting point is 00:33:48 It's not a horrible neighborhood. It's mostly white. There are black people, but it's mostly white. And they'd be like, dude, my brother's a Crip. And you're like, that's impossible. I don't think your brother's a Roland 66. I don't think he's repping out of Compton. But some stuff does spread where you'd be like there by the time

Starting point is 00:34:06 I got to high school there were bloods that lived in Aurora. Yeah that you were like Oh, that's my friend Mike's cousin chance who's legitimately he's rapping like he only wears red Doesn't use see was when he types You know also to like with the rappers like Lil Wayne becoming famous, especially you saw it in the South, people just would listen to Lil Wayne and be like, I'm a blood. It really happened. Like I knew some Bloods in New Orleans and I was like, how'd you guys become Bloods? They were like back in the day, like 2009, like my big

Starting point is 00:34:39 bro was just connecting hell with that Carter three album. You know what I mean? He's like, I got my fucking flag. And then it's like at that point, it's like, that's your big homie. I'm kind of scared of him and he fucks with Lil Wayne. So I guess for Bloods now. So we're Bloods only wear red. Go buy Bulls jerseys. Yeah. And like gangs are pretty accepting if you're like from somewhere else.

Starting point is 00:34:57 So they probably go to LA like, what's up? I'm a Blood from New Orleans. No one's going to be like, is it because of Lil Wayne? How did you get there? Yeah. Do they do they do like they do like a 23 and me. Yeah I want to find out how you got into this shit and those gangs were also started, you know Low-key by the FBI to oh to ruin black communities Specifically to dismantle the Black Panthers. Well, what you know when you really look into Fred Hampton and what they were doing

Starting point is 00:35:23 They were they had a great social program running that was outside of the federal government with the breakfasts for kids. They had neighborhood, they made the neighborhood safer. Yeah, they actually protected like Oakland and Compton. Yeah. This show is sponsored by BetterHelp. I can talk about therapy till I'm red in the face,

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Starting point is 00:36:35 That's our shit. If you go reading the Hells Angels, the Hells Angels were created because a bunch of these Vietnam vets, and I think it was started as far back as like World War II vets would come back and they would be fucked up because of PTSD and they'd be like, I just want to get on a bike and ride. Yeah. And then that became their

Starting point is 00:36:53 gang. So it's like you had like a lot of war vets. Yeah, dude, that they were pretty nuts back in the day. Oh, do you Hunter S. Thompson's book Hells Angels is a great read of what it was like when Sonny Barger, like the original OG, the Burdue chapter, and then the Oakland chapter. And then that's where my dad, my dad was from Oakland. And so he would have stories about like, my grandma would be like,

Starting point is 00:37:13 well, we got out of there pretty quick because like the Hells Angels. And then there was a black motorcycle gang called the Dragons, which was for the black part of Oakland. So like my dad was born in East Oakland on like 21st and 20th. It's on 21st Street and 20th Avenue.

Starting point is 00:37:28 And he said like the split from East Oakland, because you know, it's close to Berkeley. You're like right next to Berkeley. Which is like the most liberal hippie shit in the world. But Oakland was pretty much split black and white. And you had like the Hells Angels and the Dragons. So if you were on like 24th and International in the 60s, yeah That was a white neighborhood. I'm pretty sure it was like white working-class

Starting point is 00:37:49 Young parents. Yeah, cuz I read Hells Angels by Hunter S Thompson and just like ethnographically I was like wait, there's these like tough white fools from Oakland. Yeah, they're like act white as fuck I mean, it's it's crazy. They don't yeah, they're not like walking around like Guys like how are you doing? My father's named Stanley. My mother's Mary Yeah, but that was my dad and my aunt were from that part of East Oakland and then they moved as My grandparents got divorced my grandma moved him out to like Pleasanton and Walnut Creek when she got married to a doctor Yeah, I feel like Cocoa County kind of absorbed like the last remnants of whatever that was. Yes Exactly, and now it's Oakland's just fucked. Yeah, so is the bay

Starting point is 00:38:27 It's just like it's all fucked up because of this money But that's what's interesting because you're looking at a guy like Kelly and dear Kelly and you're going like you're actually Watching where the tipping point where he falls off and now his kids are Detached from their father which is going to cause a ton of issues. Yeah and a lot of it has to do with like self mythology. I think that can be one of the most damaging things to people's life and recovery. A lot of people think of themselves in a certain way that's not necessarily how they are but the character of how they want to be perceived. Sure. Kelly has this idea of

Starting point is 00:38:59 like I never complain, I never ask for help, I am like an alpha buff businessman who gets it done and takes care of his family. And so that kind of conflicted with the reality of like, I lost my house and I can't provide for them. How do I maintain this bravado while you know, simultaneously accepting my sort of downtrodden situation, and he wasn't able to do that. He's able to channel that alpha mentality into the political shit.

Starting point is 00:39:22 Sure. Do you think that? do you think the boomer generation specifically has a hard time with accountability? I mean, I just think there I wouldn't say so much like accountability, but the Reagan era toxic positivity of like, I'm doing great. Everything's totally fine. I don't know if it's like a response to like their parents being like, I went to World War II.

Starting point is 00:39:42 What the fuck do you have to complain about? Yeah. I think part of it has to do with that of like any complaint they leverage is like well your grandpa was at Omaha So I don't know what you're complaining about which is survivors guilt. Yeah for sure I think it's like a way of of being like, you know Because I think you're absolutely right the boomer generation had to deal with their parents who went through World War two and the Great Depression Yeah, and they were like save your money shits about to go down Yeah, any moment shits about to go down and then shit never went down for the boom

Starting point is 00:40:07 I mean Vietnam went down, but yeah, but I mean you know Vietnam wasn't World War two no But I think part of the reason that the 60s became such like this fucking crazy moment is because World War two We were like the good guys. You know so you got home from World War two and everyone was like thank you, man You defeated the Nazis. I think that from what my grandpa told me he was in the Air Force He was wearing he told me he was wearing his uniform on the subway in Philadelphia And there was these hippies like cursing at him trying to spit on him And I think he still looks at that as one of his worst memories and it's because you know He's he went and did all the shit comes drafted. Yeah, and he was 19

Starting point is 00:40:39 He comes home when these kids are you baby killer? They're looking at him like he is the manifestation of like imperialism Yeah, unnecessary wars against communism. But the reality is like we've came a long way since then I don't think that you still see protesters spiting service members sure you can when you're against the Iraq war You don't see a soldier in uniform and think like fuck you. Yeah, say fuck George Bush Yeah, you go like fuck the old guy that sent you to do that. So I think that also like that really drove a generational wedge that made way

Starting point is 00:41:10 for like that Reagan era. What about these people that are so patriotic, right, for soldiers and like stand for the anthem? Because as a 49er fan, I grew up a 49er fan, and when the Colin Kaepernick shit happened, where he was taking a knee, they became like, you're being disrespectful to the flag, but then they're screaming during the national anthem. I was at a, I was at an Eagles game and I was with big J and Mike Vecchione and Shane

Starting point is 00:41:40 and, uh, Eric Reed, the safety for the Niners was taken. He happened to cause off the team, but Eric Reed was still taking a knee. And they were like, that Philly accent. They're like, yo, stand the fuck up, stand the fuck up. During the national anthem. And you're like, isn't this worse than him taking a silent knee?

Starting point is 00:42:03 Isn't this like way more, I don't know, just in my head, it didn't compute. Because I'm like, you're screaming. It's like, stand the fuck up, you fucking piece of shit. And you're like, this is, I can't even hear the national anthem because you're yelling at me. But what's strange to me and something that I don't understand is all these people,

Starting point is 00:42:21 because dude, our servicemen, they have to go do the hardest shit. They have to go to these places where people don't want them and like rep our country in a way that's fucking terrifying. And a lot of times they're 18 to 23. My question is, is why is the treatment of soldiers after they serve so fucking terrible? In terms of the VA benefits? Well the VA benefits, just the reception, I mean like the fact that someone can come back from like a Fallujah, have horrible PTSD,

Starting point is 00:42:52 because that's my exact, I was 18 when 9-11 happened, the people that I went to high school with joined the army to go fight in Afghanistan, and then they're fucked up. They come home and they have horrible PTSD, and there really isn't a place that they can go, and instead now they're fucked up. They come home and they have horrible PTSD, and there really isn't a place that they can go, and instead now they're homeless, or they have problems and people are like,

Starting point is 00:43:11 get the fuck away from me. But then those same people that are saying, get the fuck away from me, are yelling at Kaepernick for not standing up during the anthem. Yeah, I mean I will say there is like certain small town environments that I've been in. Freeport, Pennsylvania, Algona, Iowa, some outsk in. Freeport, Pennsylvania, Algona, Iowa,

Starting point is 00:43:25 um, some outskirts of Duluth, Minnesota, where these are towns with like a thousand people or less. Sure. You got veterans wearing their, you know, full fatigues or whatever they wear in Iraq and they walk around town and they are the shit. Good. They walk into waffle house or a diner and everyone stands up. They clap, they salute, they give they clap they salute they give them free food they go out to the bars at night time the chicks are all over them. Their life is awesome. I think that sort of like coming home from war dream does exist in small town America

Starting point is 00:43:57 but I think in the major cities there's just not that much understanding of the sacrifice that they made and that's something that a lot of people don't know about me is that like I have a lot of military family background. Not my dad, but the generation before that, almost everybody was involved in the Army or Air Force in some way. So I have a lot of respect for service members. Fuck yeah.

Starting point is 00:44:14 And when I hear people talk shit about them, it pisses me off, especially some of these rich ass pampered college kids. I don't know why it pissed me off so much, but during the Free Palestine protests, that was one of the most classic examples of the psychology of this new generation, the Columbia protests. Columbia is $75,000 a year. It's insane.

Starting point is 00:44:37 So you have people at those protests who are saying like, this school is a demonic hellish organization, they give money to an apartheid ethnic state and you The first thing that comes to mind is oh, why don't you drop out then? Yeah, go to a different school. Why don't you stop literally paying your money to this evil cabal? Right, but that's off limits and no one even questions it. Because my dad won't let me. I want to have a career It's like, you know, and those are the kind of people logically who see a service member and are like dude

Starting point is 00:45:04 What nice would you do kill a kid out there? Yeah, you're like no, bro. I had no choice. Yeah. No a kid try to fucking kill me But I think that's what that's what's great. Yeah. No for real. I know I'm scared of kids holding stuff Yeah, I can't you know what I mean. I can't know a book drop and not piss my pants cuz you fucking yeah No, because you want to come here and do Communications fucking Columbia, but that is that's the exact thing that I that I love that you always focus in on on everything you do through channel five I'd probably say it's your main thesis Which is the break of poor versus rich and how it trickles down to their family and how they have to deal with shit

Starting point is 00:45:42 Where you're getting stuff a rich guy and a poor guy, but then you look at two generations displaced, and you go, it's still there. Oh, totally. It's not like that leaves. These are rich kids that grow, like we live in a very nice building. I have a lot of contempt for the young people

Starting point is 00:45:57 that live in my building. I have a lot of contempt. I got into it with a kid on the elevator, and it was just about like the NFL, but I told Katie I was being extra spicy because I was like I fucking earned this apartment. Yeah, you know what I mean? I wanted to ask him we're talking about sports and I was gonna ask him if his dad pays the rent Yeah, cuz you you're pretty sure they do Yeah, it's weird because I'm in like the reverse of that right now

Starting point is 00:46:19 Like I just moved into a really nice neighborhood for the first time in California. Yeah, I only got a six month lease I'm not gonna say the neighborhood or that because it's gonna make people hate me, but it's a fucking nice place You know what? I'm paying a six month because I was like I want to know what it's like to live like a rich person Mm-hmm and on the reverse end when it's too nice people hate you no matter what if you're below 50 years old Yeah, so my neighbor is like a lot of them are nice But some of them like I'll leave the lights on at night time and they'll call the police.

Starting point is 00:46:46 You know what I mean? Like they'll email, we're also the only renters like in the area for like two miles. And so I'm about to move back into the RV. I'm saying it right now. I'm about to move back into the RV. Like I feel like I'm losing my touch with reality. Because you're just surrounded by nice stuff.

Starting point is 00:47:03 Yeah dude, like the more money you have, the less community there is. Sure, because everyone wants your money. Yeah, and also there's this like fear of the outside and fear of the poor's. It's like kind of ruptures the brain waves of a lot of the rich. We're like, all right, I got my shit now,

Starting point is 00:47:19 I don't want anybody without shit to be near me. Dude, the second, I think that's a really important lesson for anyone that also comes from not a lot and does get a lot, you will lose that connection if you're not careful. Yeah, and I used to know what was going on everywhere, bro. I used to be in the RV, surfing city to city, like seeing what was cracking.

Starting point is 00:47:37 And now, I don't know what's going on. Yeah, you're like, I gotta get back out there. I know what's going on online, which is what I'm saying. I'm kind of experiencing the echo chamber syndrome for the first time well What's crazy about it is you were boots you were the boots on the ground for everyone else Yeah, because we're like watching channel 5 or like that's actually what happened And so it's crazy to hear because I do think that's what happens the internet gets you and then they're able to like convince you

Starting point is 00:48:01 That outside is horrible. Yeah, definitely and also just the way that like being social media famous or whatever the fuck influences like personal interactions made me wanna live in the hills away from everybody. Because I'm like, dude, this augmented reality is really fucking with my perception of self. I need to be more grounded. But now that I look at the differences, I'm like, all right, live in an RV and get recognized 10 times a day

Starting point is 00:48:24 versus living around a bunch of rich people, I'll take the art. Yeah, you know what I mean? Cuz I'm like, all right, I can deal with that, you know, well rich people always worry about it going away especially if they don't like Especially if they don't earn it. Yeah, cuz if you earn it you have this kind of feeling of like well I could lose it, but I could make it back again. Yeah, cuz I made it That's why I lived under, I lived in Astoria Queens for like 15 years. Holy shit.

Starting point is 00:48:50 That's a long time. Yeah. I loved it. Yeah. I loved it. I lived under a subway and I was like, I lived under the train, like the train rode above our apartment. I miss that apartment all the time.

Starting point is 00:48:59 Me and Vecchione, two five five five boys, dude, up on 31st street. But we, the people would be like, make fun of me. They'd be like, dude, you're on fucking a TV show and you've got a serious XM show and you live under the train and you're like, well, I don't pay attention to that. I have a guy that handles my money and I don't even really talk to him. I just make sure it's safe and all the taxes are paid because I don't want to lose that touch because I liked it. I like to walk into the Dunkin Donuts in Queens and seeing what was going on and like you kind of have a feel for it. It's also to I have like employees for the first time. I like to walk into the Dunkin Donuts in Queens and seeing what was going on.

Starting point is 00:49:25 And like you kind of have a feel for it. It's also too, I have like employees for the first time. Six people working for me. So I'm like, dude, I gotta be in the office to like teach them how to edit. Like I'm training editors so I can like, you know, work less on behind the computer. So I'm getting there soon.

Starting point is 00:49:40 Like I just bought this new ambulance. It's like a European ambulance. But so I like painted it white. I might paint it like all kinds of crazy colors But I'm gonna hollow out the back of it and build like an editing studio with Starlink internet and shit with where I can sleep And there's like a backdrop so I can do like a mobile podcast. That's fucking yeah And I'm just trying to get back out there broke is like so you didn't like getting off the road and settling down Oh, bro. Oh god., I missed the road. Fuck. I wish I was at a gas station in Indiana right now.

Starting point is 00:50:07 Really? You know what I mean? No, I'm happy to be on this podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, don't worry. I wish I was in a gas station in Indiana right now. I'd be buying smokes. Imagine people we could talk to.

Starting point is 00:50:16 Yeah. And we could find snacks and merchandise you can't find in other places. I love that. We're going to Alabama this weekend to do shows. And we're going to the Space Center and just pick it up. Oh, you're going to Birmingham? Yeah. We're going to Huntsville to do shows and we're going to the space center and just like to get a Birmingham. Yeah, we're going to

Starting point is 00:50:26 Huntsville. Oh, even better. Real Alabama. Not the Birmingham is not real, but like up, up north, it's a little different. Yeah, we're going to like, you know, we're just going to fuck around. You should go to Gadsden. Have you been there? No, but that's where yellow wolf's from. Really? Damn. It's low key the Aurora, Colorado belt dudes in sideways DC, ha same voice. Just all that Steve-O voice. Everybody's like Yellow Wolf's second cousin. I'm not Yellow Wolf.

Starting point is 00:50:50 But I mean, you are one of the only people that I've talked to recently that's been everywhere and just been to places where you're like, America's the fucking best. It's the goat. It's the best. And what sucks is the 24-hour news cycle has made us both

Starting point is 00:51:06 Democrats and Republicans make it feel like yeah It's a Americana and like American culture is the best the people and like the fucking mosaic of personalities and communities We have here is the best. However, we're one of the worst global presences Yeah, and we have some of the most obnoxious manipulative rich elites of anywhere else of any and they use the news machine as they're like Propaganda apparatus they just pump money into it and hypnotize the public But what's worse now is they're figuring out how to do it with independent media and podcasting sure and you're seeing a lot of these Podcasters, I'm sure you've seen this leaning into the mainstream media and I knew that was suspicious when I saw it It's fucking crazy. I was like, wait a second.

Starting point is 00:51:46 If you're saying, like, I don't want to shit on any podcast. Sure. But it's like. I'm fine with it if you want to, though. You're saying, oh, fuck Fox News. Yet you give Joe Rogan, Theo Vaughn, and Jake Paul a front row at the fucking inauguration. And the Nelk boys, I think, were there too, but they got snubbed.

Starting point is 00:52:01 But the point is, I'm saying, it's like, that is, they used Trump, and those people used the podcast fear to manipulate their way into the White House by like assuming this like I'm just your friend, it's me, Trump, your buddy. You know? And what's funny is people get like show mad, I don't like any politicians. Me either. I've never liked anybody. There's no point of them being a public servant. They're all there for themselves. And it's crazy because like, you'll say that, you'll be like, I don't know, man,

Starting point is 00:52:29 like I kind of feel weird with Elon being an unelected, you know, foreigner fucking with our shit. And they'll be like, you want to fuck in Biden? You go fuck Biden too. And they're like, well, AOC fucker. I don't give a fuck, fuck all of them. I don't give a shit about all of them. Yeah, I don't give a shit about any of them Hey fuck bill

Starting point is 00:52:47 I was trying to think like It's so funny when you go like I love Americans and I love America and I wish that these Greedy rich motherfuckers would let if we would have just finished Bernie's second term Yeah, we would be in a much better position. We'd be doing fantastic. And also, back to the podcaster thing, I don't wanna shit on them, but what I'm saying is, I understand the appeal of the Trumps fear

Starting point is 00:53:13 in the post-cancel comedy world. Sure. Because it obviously, the language policing and just the hyper-liberalization of comedy that you were talking about in 2016. It was wild. Made shit not funny. It made it be like like you would call shit gay

Starting point is 00:53:27 and they'd be like, so you hate gays? You're like, no! Right. It goes back to the Louie joke. He's like, I would never call a gay man, I don't know if you want to believe this because you two might get mad. He goes, I would never call a gay man a f***.

Starting point is 00:53:40 He goes, maybe I'm watching two guys suck each other's dicks. And he pulls the dick out of his mouth and he goes, people from Phoenix are called Phoenicians. So shut up. Get set, that dick. But it's like a point of that joke was so perfect about, like, the language is just sometimes unintentional. And I understand that there's, like, historic,

Starting point is 00:53:56 and there's causes, and there's people. I get all that. But you're right. There was, like, this hyper, like, don't policing. Yeah. And guess who doesn't care about language? Trump. So it's like, for example, like I went to Austin,

Starting point is 00:54:08 I went on Shane and Matt's podcast. Shout out to the dogs. Shout out to the homies. Dude, the comedians there are hilarious. Like just like, I was even just seeing like, I know people have their own, I know standups got its own like drama and class. I don't care about that shit.

Starting point is 00:54:21 It's because we're, we try to act like we're tough boys, but we're really theater girls. Yeah. That's what it is. I was seeing, I don't care about that shit. It's because we're, we try to act like we're tough boys, but we're really theater girls. Yeah. That's what it is. I was seeing live standup and I was like, wow, I haven't seen funny standup in person in a long time. This is actually funny, not because they're doing like offensive shit just for the sake of shock.

Starting point is 00:54:36 Like they're not scared to make funny jokes. This is tight. I don't see this too much in Los Angeles. No. You know what I mean? I was like, so cool. It really is, and like, well, I would say something I give credit to New York for New York, New York outs, like the alt scene obviously did, but the club scene,

Starting point is 00:54:52 a lot of people didn't really bend. You still had Louis, still had rock. You still had a tell. He said like Colin Quinn. So a lot of guys that were just doing funny shit and something that Shane never gets credit for, which I will always fucking yell from a mountaintop, is he got fired for a podcast clip and didn't lean into it. I was gonna tell you that is by far my favorite thing about Shane and kind of why I look up to him in certain ways. Yeah. It's because a lot

Starting point is 00:55:20 of people they go through a public controversy or a scandal and then they make their whole life this like Vendetta about like I am the underdog the righteous one who got done wrong I'm a free speech lion and a guardian of people being able to say retarded And then you have people were like, oh that sucked. I'm just gonna keep pushing forward and just keep doing their shit I watched him. You know, he was living in New York. I was seeing him every day I had I had dinner with him the night he got SNL. I called him the next day Yeah, he literally got fucking fired from when I left New York flew to Portland

Starting point is 00:55:53 I landed in Oregon and I called him and he goes babe people are mad at me I'm reading like a variety article before I call him. I'm like dude, you're fucking in trouble But he didn't do the thing where he was like they canceled me and fuck he just went like, you know what? I'm just gonna go be funny. Yeah, I'm gonna go make my shit and and then he's hosting SNL again March 2nd Yeah, and there's a new pipeline now that I'm not sure it was as prevalent then but if you go through a public scandal of any kind People the mainstream media tells you your career is over But it actually means that you get to have a second career with like the worst people ever I remember for me like dude I was getting I can't even tell you

Starting point is 00:56:33 the job offers the kid like I don't even want to say it like okay I'm just gonna say that info wars hit me up and be like dude you want a paid position and I was like what the fuck is going on I want to sell your frog brain fucking pill it was like a one-to-one ratio people being like you're a piece of shit people being like bro fuck liberals come work with me and I was like man this is so crazy. You know what's funny Shane said something to me so offhand like maybe so it happened in 2019 and I remember hanging with him in like 2021 he goes dude I just started going back on Twitter he's like I just was able to open Twitter look at my notifications and it wasn't racist you fucking piece of shit Racist like death threats and shit. He was like I'm just now being able to drunk tweet

Starting point is 00:57:14 Throw deep throws are sick But I always really really respected the fuck out of him for not doing that and also he's world-class funny and it's paid off Absolutely, but a lot of those like free speech movements They do a harvest anger after you when you're when you're in like a traumatic state It's actually pretty similar to the whole Kelly's itch. I mean, I really think I fucking I'm not even joking I talked to my therapist about what you were saying about Kelly about like losing security love and Significance you lose those things and you go to something and as someone who you know what you were saying about Kelly, about losing security, love, and significance. You lose those things and you go to something.

Starting point is 00:57:48 And as someone who, my dad and my sister died real close to each other when I was 14 and 16. And when he went to rehab, when Kelly went to rehab and he said I went through those major things and it changed my personality, I went from being a guy who was like, I'm not gonna drink, my dad died of cirrhosis. I was like, I'm not gonna drink.

Starting point is 00:58:07 I'm not gonna be an alcoholic. Because I knew my whole family was alcoholics. And then that shit happened and I'm picking up a bottle and I'm right back to where I'm getting fucked up. Because you don't realize those, because I think baby boomers, having them as our parents, my mom was like, you'll get through this. Because that's kind of what her parents told her that my mom was like, you'll get through this. Because that's kind of what her parents told her.

Starting point is 00:58:27 So I'm like, I'll get through this. And then I get fucked up and I'm like, yeah, this rules. I kind of want to just keep getting fucked up. Even though I knew, you see that slide. And so watching Dear Kelly and watching how you document his slide, also really realizing a lot of it's his own personal fault is like, for sure. It's very big. And I think that was why the weed segment was particularly controversial.

Starting point is 00:58:51 Because when he went to rehab, that phone call that we had the first week where he was like, dude, I'm realizing I had these unprocessed consecutive traumatic events that I haven't dealt with. I have to apologize to bill joiner. I have to get right with my family and get right with God and all this good shit Yeah, by the third week of the of the treatment. He was just like dude. I realized I'm an addict I have addiction it wasn't me. It was the fact that I was just smoking so much So once I find God or my higher power as they say in this one

Starting point is 00:59:19 Yeah, and I push that evil addiction to the side. I'm gonna be fine So they externalize all accountability for their own role and shit and the next thing, you know They're replacing their conquest and not conquest like they're whatever you want to call their holy mission is just back But they're just sober. Yeah, and so I don't know how much of Of that was the facility itself sure incentivizing him to be like you're an addict, you're broken, repent, find the higher power, you're gonna be fine. Which is very AA. And also the recovery and rehab industry is predatory.

Starting point is 00:59:52 I mean, listen, the Sacklers invented OxyContin, Purdue Pharma pushed it, they got everyone hooked on opiates, an opiate epidemic hits the United States, and then you find out they're turning around and they're making rehab places. Where they're giving suboxone, where they're giving shit that's like getting people off of it, and you go,

Starting point is 01:00:09 you're the ones that put them on. And psychologically, you teach someone that they're inherently broken to have super negative self talk about their old self and create this old self thing. Like you'll go to an AA meeting and someone's like, I was such a piece of shit. It's like, well no, you're still a piece of shit.

Starting point is 01:00:23 Yeah, you're the same guy. You know what I mean? And listen man, I think AA, I have a piece of shit. It's like, well, no, you're still a piece of shit. Yeah, you're the same guy. You know what I mean? And like. And listen, man, I think AA, I have a lot of friends that work the steps. I know a lot of people that are in recovery. I never did it because of that. I read this book by this British guy named Alan Carr

Starting point is 01:00:36 called The Easy Way to Quit Drinking. And basically what it is is he's like, AA is just gonna tell you you're broken. You're not broken. You're addicted to a thing, but you learned. What I liked about Alan Carr's book, The Easy Way to Quit Drinking, is he said you learned how to like it.

Starting point is 01:00:53 Now you have to learn how to unlike it. And I mean, March 9th will be 12 years where I haven't drank because of that book. And I haven't done AA, haven't done any meetings, but I also smoke weed. So I understand the addiction just moved somewhere else. So like last year I quit smoking weed for like three months and I was like, Oh, it's what Kelly said. Reads like I had a lot. You take that thing off.

Starting point is 01:01:15 When you guys are in the intervention and the therapist goes, now you're going to see a lot of stuff come up that the weeds keeping down and you don't realize it's a lot of people. Dude, straight up and back to the AA thing. Dude, when I went to AA, which was like for a month and a half, every day wanted me, every day made me want to go on like a crazy bender because all these people were telling these sick ass stories. You know what I mean? They're like, they're like, yeah, dude, I was, I was down bad. It was like, I remember one time I spent, I went, I won a hundred grand at blackjack, kind of like a threesome with like these two Brazilians. And I'm

Starting point is 01:01:44 driving back in a Corvette and I stopped and get another beer And I crashed my car wake up in jail end up being friends with the jail guy He lets me out early we go back to the strip club Anyways, I'm so happy to be here with you guys, and I'm like fuck. I gotta get out of here Oh, I am Willie Nelson's telling me to put put it down I said well you pussy we got yeah, that's so funny. And they're just talking about alcohol so much. I don't think about beer this much. I stopped going to AA, and I've never drank less.

Starting point is 01:02:11 But I want to say, though, shout out to AA. I know for a lot of people, it really, really works. And listen, the big book and all that stuff they use, whatever can help you, it's kind of like fitness. Whatever can help you, do it. I'm not judging you if you do yoga, if you lift weights, run, just do it. You're just trying to help yourself.

Starting point is 01:02:31 Yeah, and with the Kelly shit, when he was at rehab, so what I was saying is I'm not sure if they made him think he was an addict of weed, or if he realized he could get out of the hard part, by like, because he kind of picked up on the vibe of the service provider and was like, maybe if I just tell her that like, I don't spend 15 hours a day on Q and all that. And I just like smoke too much.

Starting point is 01:02:52 She'll be like, all right, just stop smoking. Yeah. And so obviously it was a bit disappointing after spoiler alert, after he gets out of rehab, he's kind of doing the same shit. Yeah. Well you see him, that's actually the ending is cause I mean, I'm going to tell you there's there, I was moved with how much you cared about shit. Yeah, well you see him, that's actually, the ending is, because I mean, I'm gonna tell you, there's, I was moved with how much you cared about Kelly. Me? Yeah. In the intervention, when you read him your letter,

Starting point is 01:03:11 you're like, oh dude, you can tell that you and Kelly have a connection. That's my dog. That he was there for you, and you're down, like that message he left you is lovely, it's great, and you care about him. Enough that you got his kids, how excited his ex-wife was when you guys were putting him in the car to go to rehab, and she was like,

Starting point is 01:03:29 you know, divorces are tough, especially when you've lost everything, and you watch this woman be like excited for him, and she was like crying. It's just, go watch Dear Kelly Film, go to DearKellyFilm.com, watch it, subscribe to Channel 5, it's the best shit on YouTube. film dot com. Watch it. Subscribe to Channel five. It's the best shit on YouTube. Me and Mike both love it.

Starting point is 01:03:48 It's like every time you put out something new, it's awesome. I love watching on the road. Thanks for giving me a piece of information I could give to people to let them know that Venezuelans aren't running Aurora. That's just a couple of apartment

Starting point is 01:04:02 buildings, just just one or two apartment buildings, which honestly, they probably were before you even fucking gave a shit. buildings. Just one or two apartment buildings, which honestly they probably were before you even fucking gave a shit. And that Target parking lot was after a Venezuelan election where they trashed it. I texted one of my friends that lives in Aurora. I was like, dude, did they trash the Target parking lot?

Starting point is 01:04:15 He was like, no, that was like years ago. He's like, they're circulating that clip now. Yeah, and part of the, one of the main people who was spreading the gang misinformation was a city council member herself Yeah named Danielle Jurenski who's like trying to get reelected and the craziest shit is that that City Council the Aurora City Councilmember Danielle Jurenski. Well, let me back up a little bit. So the property owner Zev Baumgartner Yeah hired the PR firm called Red Banyan Crisis Communications out of I think it was Fort Lauderdale, Florida To run the story about the gangs.

Starting point is 01:04:46 They had heard, distribute the press release. So it was like landlord, PR firm, Crisis Communications person, giving information to the council member. So it comes out officially, you know what I mean? And then the family, the Romeros, who like, let's keep it real, why were they getting robbed? Why are they the only people in the entire apartment

Starting point is 01:05:07 building who all these kids are mad at? Do you think maybe they could be involved business-wise with the gang members? Who the fuck, can you imagine? You know what I mean? So- When they're coming with an AR-15, I mean they were fucking strapped.

Starting point is 01:05:17 They had a reason, and there's people in the hallway living in almost every other unit, no one else's door is getting banged on, except this one family that won't show their face. Just look into this shit. Yeah I really think that like but it is true that those gang members did beat up Zev the proper leader. Sure and they did and they were there like a prison prison gangs were there yeah but when you're interviewing one of the guys he goes here then they left yeah like immediately left after they robbed him. Yeah there's also a

Starting point is 01:05:43 pretty big connection between like obviously poorly maintained apartment buildings and gangs. Yeah, pretty sure like project buildings That's where gangs start. Yeah, dude go by Queensborough. Yeah, the Queensborough projects dude I flew over that shit and I was like that is like a massive complex So it's crazy is when you drive down on 21st Street Because that's how I went home every night when I lived in Queens you saw Because that's how I went home every night when I lived in Queens you saw Like dude when I first moved to Queens in like 2007 you didn't fucking go near Queensboro projects you would take the train into the city from Queen from Queensboro you go over and you'd be like shit and then you Saw them building like new buildings up until it hit 21st Street

Starting point is 01:06:20 And then you drive down it and you're like damn they're like they just want a crossover, but they can't what's it like in Queens It's great. I love it. He's from Queens. It's great. Does it look like Manhattan? No, it's like a neighborhood It's like a little neighborhood North Jersey Looks more like Jersey City. It was more like a Jersey City or like a hobo. Does it look like Fishtown, Philadelphia a Little bit not but not that's more like row home kind of shit that used to be like Astoria used to have a lot of row homes, but now what they're doing is they're knocking, like the people that own the row homes are knocking them

Starting point is 01:06:53 down and building like dick buildings, like these like tall, futuristic. Like Salesforce tower. Yes. The ultimate phallic monument. It's exactly it. Where you're like, it used to just be like a row of homes all the same with like balconies.

Starting point is 01:07:06 And then now there's just like a black metallic building that just fucking chuts to the sky. And you're like, yeah, it sucks. I'm scared in tall buildings. I know we're in one right now. Yeah. We get high enough and my dog will freak out. And I'll be like, the dog knows.

Starting point is 01:07:20 Dude. The dog knows we're up. Like when it was windy last night, my dog was like, what the fuck? And then I'm like, my dog just knows how high up we are. So as a viewer, going back to the weed thing, how much do you think weed actually played into what happened with Kelly?

Starting point is 01:07:33 I think it helped a lot. I think it was a significant thing. I think what it is is you get high and then you like read or watch something and your emotion, you're like parent, it's like you know how you get high and listen to an album and you're like, oh I fucking was vibing. It's just like negative vibes.

Starting point is 01:07:56 You're like vibing with something that's like scary. So then you go like, it's fucking real dude, it's fucking real and then you're high again, you're like dude I'm fucking telling you, they're coming across the border, they're just fucking real. And then you're high again, you're like, dude, I'm fucking telling you, at least they're coming across the border, they're just fucking raping women, and you're just like high as fuck. But you are, and then you're like done,

Starting point is 01:08:11 and you're like, I gotta go do something about this. That is like the worst, the most negative thought. But you know what I mean? I didn't put this in the film, but the actual media source that Kelly consumes, 10 hours a day, is called Scott McCabe's Patriot Street Fighter. That's not even me. It's a serious XM radio show out of Missouri where it's just like a dude like have

Starting point is 01:08:30 you guys ever seen the movie Hotel Rwanda? Yeah. You know Don Cheadle? You know the guy who runs Hutu Power Radio? Yeah. It's like time to kill the cockroaches. Yeah. Scott McCabe's Patriot Street Fighter was like good morning pussies you want to kick some antifa ass? Let me give you the news of the day which by the way Can I just say you do such a good job recording how both sides are filled with douchebags? Yeah because when you first meet Kelly and he's got the four bangers and there's that guy and what's so funny about you is you're Down with everybody. Yeah, so they show up. They're like, what's up, bro?

Starting point is 01:09:00 What's up, bro, but that guy's like man, he's like fuck kill you bro. Fuck your life What's up, bro? What's up, bro? But that guy's like man. He's like fuck kill you bro. Fuck your life Fuck you. I hope you fucking die homie straight up straight up straight up was crazy I was like you practice that in the mirror all morning Then later talking about you know, just as mass he goes It's so funny he goes I'm just fucking mad dude, and you're like, yeah Yeah, cuz you're like getting dude. We all are in little kennels and the media is just running sticks along our sides and we're like, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah,

Starting point is 01:09:30 and then you're like, oh, they're trying to do that. They're trying to get us fucking riled up. Yeah, it's a trip. Cause like, I'm sure that when Bill Gates thought of the internet, he's like, dude, people are going to be so smart. They're going to get your share info. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:09:41 Now it's like made people like infinitely more retarded. A thousand percent. Yeah. So stay off like made people like infinitely more retarded. A thousand percent. Yeah. So stay off the internet, go outside, touch grass. Andrew Callahan, you are an American institution. Channel 5 News. you

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