Soder - 74: Wife’s Work Friend with Annie Lederman | Soder Podcast | EP 72

Episode Date: March 25, 2025

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["Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairy"] See you then. Bye. When you come back, do you miss living here? I have. I think I don't really remember how I did it physically living here. How long have you been in LA? Since 2012. Holy shit. Really? I moved back for one year.

I was here for 2016. Oh yeah. After we did Ireland, I'm moving back for one year. I was here for 2016. Oh yeah. After we did Ireland, you moved back here for a year, but you've been there since 2012. Yeah. So you, you're, were you there? Are you in LA longer than you've been in New York? Yeah. I was only in New York for four years. So you're like a full Los Angelino. Yeah, I guess, but the people are starting to, everyone's always like, people are, I'm like, what are you talking about? The people are great.

And now I'm just like, oh, this is not, it's not, I haven't found my people in LA. And what is it specifically that they're phonies? You can't have fun. Why, what do you mean? I think, okay, I think like here I've been having fun. Just no one's like mean to each other. So then when I'm being like mean and funny,

people like just sit there and take it. And you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa. You're also- We're mean to each other. So then when I'm being like mean and funny, people like just sit there and take it. And you're like, well, you're also, we're supposed to be comics. You're a comic and from Pennsylvania, the Philly area. Yes. It Philly is similar to like a Boston or like a Chicago, a lot of ball bust the energy. And it's like people in LA are like, I'm sorry, is this aggression? Or yeah, no, they're very like, and also also like you're really not supposed to tell the truth in LA That's why I know it's like so obvious

You're not supposed to tell the truth like the way you get into Hollywood is like they're like Oh, we can trust that you're not gonna like tell the truth and in my head I'm so shocked by this now the fact that actors ever thought that they could tell us how to vote. Oh, it's ever thought that they could tell us how to vote. Oh, it's so bad. Wild that for years, they would come out and go this fall vote and it's like you're nobody like a liar. You are you suck. You have to pretend to be someone else. So that we like you. Well, just even actors doing podcasts and stuff. You're like

we want we're supposed to know less about you. We're supposed to know nothing about you. I don't want to know if you're in the Baha'i religion. Rain, Wilson, it's like weird. I don't want to know what you're getting up to. And then it ruins the character. Yes, that's why I never watch Billings, I knew you. I go, I can't watch Soder.

I know he's retarded. Listen, I can't watch this. I know he's stupid. There's no way he's getting better. I know you're good because my dad liked it. Yes. But I do get nervous when I watch my friends and it's just hard to, I'm just thinking more like,

where are the lights, where are the lights? Why is my friend being another character? I always think about them practicing right before it happened. In the mirror or like nervous? Watching my friends go like, soft practice. Soft practice where you're not saying the words. or like nervous. Watching my friends like go like. Soft practice where you're not saying the words. You are a good person.

You are a good person. You're a good person. You're a good person. You're a good person. You gave me good advice though when I was doing that scene for a terrifier. Terrifier three, out now, go watch. Annie Letterman.

Yeah, so it's up. I bullied my way onto that one. See, if I wasn't a bully, I would never get anything. You are in a very, you're a very effective bully Well, I'm not ever doing anything. I'm trying it to have us. I'll have fun. You're not an evil bully I'm just trying I used to always bully this sounds like so fake but I did I used to bully the bullies like so I was always like Defending the like short guys or whatever in school and like fighting these people

but you know how they have the like shifted and I'm like, you know how they have like defending the short guys or whatever in school and fighting these people. And then it shifted and I'm like. You know how they have chaos good, chaos neutral, chaos bad? No, but I tell you about it. There's bully good, bully neutral, bully bad. And I think you fall under bully good. So does Shane.

Shane is a guy. And we're from Philly, it's built into us. But you're like, oh, I can, he's like a nuclear deterrent. No, I love what he does. Burr does it too. Like I love Shane's like such a good call out guy. Like he's so good. Like, and I just grew up being a call out person.

And then you're like, oh wait, people don't want to be called. I'm like, oh, it never occurred to me people didn't want the truth. I've always thought like, oh, it'd be easier. We'll just get it done with. As a people pleaser, it's a superpower to me. When people go, that's not how that is. And you go, what are you doing? Here's the problem, I'm also a people pleaser.

So then I suffer. So you do the bullying and then you go. And then I suffer over the bullying. You go, why the fuck did I do that? Yeah, I go, oh, kind of. I don't know what it is. I'm just like. I want people to like me

and then I do very unlikable things and I'm like, Well, have you But it's likable to me and people that are like me. But have you, has that happened to you a lot in LA? Have you done stuff and then people have gotten mad and you haven't realized they're mad until later? So many people will like confront me and I'll go, what? I go like, it'll be such, so much time will have passed that I won't even know, they won't what I said or did and I'm like I promise you I can tell you what time period it was like you know so it was like Rick Glassman we I did his podcast and we talked about how I'd said something that like offended him years ago sure he was like it was just really mean and I was like okay so when we were

hanging out since we don't remember what it was about when we were hanging out I had just come from New York right so you were hopped up on the... This is what we do, right? Like if I sit at the table at the cellar and I'm not passed, like Michelle Wolf will like take the thing and goes, just pay attention to my face. And it's funny. And it's not, it's like hilarious. That was a very funny move. By the way, a move... She'd put the little table tent thing right in front and I wouldn't leave. Credit where credit is due. Schumer at her peak unbelievable that someone would sit down and Schumer would

only break conversation to put that in front of the person look back in a hilarious way it's great yeah there's a for those of you don't know the back table at the Comedy Cellar has a small sign that says only performers of the Comedy Cellar can sit at this table and yeah. And I just ignored that all the time. I don't know guys you're my friends it's weird if I'm not sitting with you. I just never auditioned. You want to sit at the satellite table? No but then you like sit over there and you're looking at your friends. What are they laughing about? That happens a lot. But it's true I mean it's

the rules but I just kind of like don't. Where it sucks is where a lot of famous people come in and then the famous people take the table and then like if you're working there that night, you have to sit at the satellite table and you're almost like, I don't wanna sit around. I think that, I think celebrity is almost dead now. I think it's been like- I'm living in the walking dead right now.

What do you mean? In LA? LA is like, it's like, it's like it's ending and people are clinging and desperate and it's so weird. It's still, I like love LA too. So it's, I'm just, I- What do you love about it?

I don't know. I just, every time I go on the road, I'm so happy to come home. It's so beautiful. It's so nice there. I just like it. I can understand that. That's how I feel about here.

I love driving, being driven a lot more than driving, but. I did notice when I, cause I was just out there last week. I don't look at my phone cause I'm driving. It's fun. Well, I don't like LA. You get over that. I don't like LA.

You always don't like LA and that's fine. I feel like I see a version of you that just moved to LA and is in a different world. You're like, no, no, this is where I see it. This is where I see him. You're like, no, this is where I see it. This is where I see him. You're like, imagine all the people. You're like in that thing. Imagine if you had just blown up and run that.

It's so hard to be a celebrity comedian because it's like you're, if you're the comic I like, you're an honest comic and you bust balls and stuff. But then you get into this and you just see them. Well, that's, I think celebrity like stand-up comics that were celebrities like mainstream actual celebrities I don't think that can exist anymore yeah I think after COVID and all that shit it can't exist because now you go like we know you're phonies yeah all celebrities are phonies. Cause that imagine video was so fucking lame.

Anything you're upset about in this world or country right now, like I blame like the Gaza debacle on that video. Like everything that's happened is that video's fault. Like the breathing of like. Well, did you watch Meghan Markle show? I was watching it last night. It's so delusional and crazy.

These people are insane. I'll see your Meghan Markle and I'll raise you. Out Markle show? I was watching it last night. It's so delusional and crazy. These people are insane. I'll see your Meghan Markle and I'll raise you. Alec Baldwin? Yeah, I watched it. Katie showed it to me last night. Can I tell you right now? I'm like, can you shoot me in the head? Because I'm uncomfortable.

It upset me. Now I would say this with my full chest out, 30 Rock is probably my favorite show of all time. We wanna like Alec Baldwin I did a movie with him he was fantastic I got to like actually this is before he had his seven kids you look at a man and the seven kids are gonna make up for one wonderful woman one cinematographer and keep popping those kids out but the life is taken it doesn't transfer there's no rollover minutes He makes them stand on each other's shoulders

and like wear her jacket. Put her clothes, he goes, that's it, put her clothes on. Now she's back, now hug her child. And you, it is the best voice, it's like the best voice. He's got the best, he, I. But it is sinister when he's like, I was really, you're like, were you upset? I can't tell.

Well, I think he was. Of course he was upset. But that reality show is 100 hundred percent just for his wife. And he's just so tired and miserable. And they keep doing this thing. This is the thing we were talking about that made me upset. They keep acting like the seven kids wasn't their fault. Yes.

They keep going like with these seven kids, it's like, dude, you went like a stork dropped them. You went nuts, the butt, every one of those seven, you went like, yeah, this woman has just such complete control. Because he ain't Elon. That ain't IVF. That's Dick and Puss old school, like Grandma Sauce. Alec made those kids with a little bit of, I got my mama.

She's like yoga-ing on him? Yeah, so she's just like pulling his come out. Or she's like, this one right here is called sitting lotus. And he goes, the way you pull my come out of my penis is incredible. But then. How about they don't know the names of the kids either. They have to, he's like, I call this one like red, blue.

You're like, he's just like, he's too old to keep that much information in his head. We talked about, Katie and I talked about this last night, the real reality show. Number one, watching this reality show feels like a 30 rock show that would be in a, like if they did a 30 rock reunion and they'd be like, Lemon, do you understand that I'm in my own reality show

with my seven children I had with a yoga instructor? And you'd be like, yeah, that's exactly. Talking about how I killed a woman. Yeah, I murdered a woman in New Mexico and then I had to do a reality show with my seven children I had with a yoga instructor. And you'd be like, yeah, that's exactly what- Talking about how I killed a woman. Yeah, I murdered a woman in New Mexico and then I had to do a reality show with my seven kids. But you watch it longer and it became like, I got like car sick. By the end of it, I was like, I don't-

It's not a life I want. I can't watch this. But the show I wanna watch are his nannies drinking after their shift. Just that's just do that as a podcast. Well, I always think about like Chris Hansen, like, I don't know if he's drinking anymore, but he always seemed to have like a drink in his hand when he wasn't popping, popping petties.

Wait, you think. But I'm just saying, because you got through trauma. You like it. Chris Hansen drank a lot. He was, there was always like a, do you think that's how we hit on women through trauma you like it's a drink a lot. He was there was always like a Do you think that we hit on women? He's like take a seat. I Think he just like can I buy you a drink? I think he was always like could you play a 12 year old? I'm gonna read you these sex spec that you written me you said I'd love to eat your ass Well his wife I follow him pretty closely his wife. Yeah, I love him. I didn't know you're a Hansenphile.

Chris Hansen's wife, he was, when he started dating her, her handle was, I love being over 50. Like, isn't that so funny that he was like, the woman that I'm with is stating that she's age appropriate. I love it. In her handle, she talks about her identity as her age. That makes me think that he's doing what he was supposed to do on this earth. That he has a sexual thing for older women

So go bust the guys that like the young ones because that's where he his legacy would have gotten ruined is if you found out he was like Barely legal at barely He was just yeah, I don't think that because that does happen. Yeah, well, that's most of the time I was a hundred percent of the like, why would you do that? Why did you play that character? Why did you make them appear? You're like, what?

Have you ever seen a woman with saggy tits? Drives me absolutely through the roof. I think there is something about guys that are like really proud that they like age appropriate girls. There's something about that too, because I will notice like as I get older, there's certain guys where I'm like,

you're getting creepier with me. Really? Yeah, I'm like, oh. Like as you get older? there's certain guys where I'm like, you're getting creepier with me. Really? Yeah, I'm like, oh. Like as you get older? Like almost like we're just like adults here and I'm like what? What are you trying to play house? Yeah, very weird.

I'm like, ew. What is, to you as a woman, what is creepier? Guys into barely legal, like young girls? Like, oh that girl's 19, she's so hot. Or a guy being like 55 and over, hot, she much. Well, I'm going in a certain direction, so I like the 55 and olders. Yeah, but now you're embracing it.

I'm going in a direction, I'm not going down. But I feel like even if you're a young woman and you see that, you go like, oh, good for them, though. They like what they like. With the young chicks? No, the older. I think the older guys are never looked at as bad. Yeah, never.

I think they're always like- Well, my fiance's 11 years younger than me. I don't give a shit if people if someone's legal Do I have a friend who's like always like don't do this guy's pockets or don't do this interview Like I or do don't do this club the Booker Had a 19 year old girlfriend and I'm like I don't if it's eight like if it's under 18. I'm very upset Yeah, very very upset if you're grooming up to 18, I'm very upset. I'm very upset. The claim when they try to go, we were friends. It's like you weren't friends.

There's no way. If you're friends with someone under 18, it's not acceptable. I can honestly tell you, the only woman I've ever been friends with that I dated is the woman I'm marrying been friends with that I dated is the woman I'm marrying. Cause I love her more than anybody. But it took me a lot of tries to get there.

So when they go, no, we were friends. And then you go, no, you weren't. You weren't friends. What were you guys talking about? Cute boys at the mall? Yeah, you were talking to her about boys. You were inserting yourself as the guy that knows about boys. Do you think Millie Bobby Brown feels bad for like putting the Drake stuff out there

when she was like, no Drake's my friend. And every adult went, Oh, every adult was like, Oh, cause she did it. If you watch the interview, it's so cute and so innocent, so bad for him though. How innocent she said it was so bad for him. It's so bad for him. I was like, she was just like, yeah, and he helps me with boys. And you're like, no. Even on that red carpet everyone went, oh.

Like even when you watch the clip, if you bring it up now, Amelia Bobby Brown's this girl, and she's like, no, and it's so cool. I get to text with Drake and he like tells me, he's just like my friend and he helps me with boys. Everyone was like, Oh, and then she was like, I'm going to get married to my high school boyfriend

immediately. Yeah. I got married. Uh, Bon Jovi son immediately. Yeah. And he was like, yeah, it's very, she's going through a thing now because everyone's saying she's aging poorly. She's like 22. That's so fucked up. That's so fucked up. They go, welcome to adulthood. You're checking in with adulthood. You're welcome. Well, they want you to look older until you're 18. Yeah, and then they go, ew.

Stay at 18. I remember when I was in college, it was my sophomore year. It was when Mary-Kate and Ashley Olson turned 18. Oh, people had these countdowns? And I remember being like, what the fuck? I was 19. And I was like, what the fuck? Like seeing like a 22-year-old dude be like, they're 18.

And you're like, you're- And also, I'm not trying to be rude. They're not that hot. It was just that you saw them when they were young and you saw them grow up. That's the thing. If they had been like these smoking hot, big titted bitches, that were, not that you need big tits to be hot,

but you know what I mean? But do you know what I mean? It's just the fact that they saw them be little kids and watched them grow up that they thought was hot. You're like, hey, yo. But man, if we somehow, the confidence of men would skyrocket if we could just flip that.

If you just had older women being like, this young stud's about to hit 18, guys would be, it'd be like, you know homecoming where they run through the paper, where they're like, ba-da-da-da-da, like go Cougars, we need that, that's what we need for young men. We just need to switch that so that's like older women being like, excuse me, 17 year old boy that gets boners

when the wind hits him, are you 18? And he's like, next week. But Soder, what about how dark the teachers are, the female teachers of the peng? It's so nasty. I'm sorry, listen. I would never be against, like obviously the kid, enjoy your moment.

Annie. It's so crazy to look at a little boy and be like. I, no fault on the child. No fault. Of course. On the sweet young men. Send your little weenie pics, do whatever you wanna do. What I always think about are the adult men

that dated those women or like when the story is the woman. They always have a husband. Yeah, and then you're like, now, was he aware? Because if you're unaware of it and it happens, there's no way you don't just go like I'm gonna beat the shit out of this guy's I'm gonna go fuck up his dad I gotta go fight his dad I gotta go fight his brothers brother in college yeah I'm gonna go blow up his car I got this guy ruin my family but you have to be so

embarrassed I mean that's the most embarrassing thing in the world it's gonna be in the papers it's's good. There's going to be your wife, the YouTube video of cat Williams, losing that fight to the seventh grader. And there's a moment where he's like getting choked and he's like, and like the kids just behind him. And you're like, well, I think we got to take your shit talking card for like at least a couple of years. I think the only person that likes when teenagers fuck grown women more than the teenager

is the enemy of the husband when it happens. Oh yeah, cause it's just. You're like a kid fucked your wife. Like a kid, a kid. That's the part of this 40 and stuff you can be like I'm still like young old. I'm like the youngest old, you know, listen, I'm 42 I wear hoodies. Yeah Skate shoes on

But then when your wife is fucking a 14 year old you have to be like I am the oldest man alive Like she must look at my balls and go like, what is this? Also just like the fact that just hairless boy was like, whoa, whoa, what do I do? And you're like, this is that conversation where he has to take his glasses off and he goes. He's like, do you play Fortnite? Oh, that's crazy. I don't like vegetables. And then you have to be like, when you take your glasses off and you go,

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Promo code Dan, your wife's work friend. She's like, you're worried about him. And then you find out, and then you find out they're fucking and you're like, I knew it. Pete's six three. Okay. So he's my height. Five eight. Yeah. So that's always the height. A taller guy. But what's great now, if like, Katie ever left me for a guy that's like 6'6", I'm like, well, good luck with that. He's going to die like a big dog. So like, good luck. He left me for a St. Bernard. Enjoy your St. Bernard. Enjoy the corpse. He's going to live

till he's nine years old versus me, a nice golden retriever. I'll live till 12 or 13 Yeah, I could go to I could get hip dysplasia and these short guys are gonna be pulling all the puss when everyone dies They are they're just gonna keep surviving They stay low to the ground I did my show last night and I was like and I went up after him and he was you know talking about like being Short or whatever and I was like look at Marcel like he him and he was talking about being short or whatever. And I was like, look at Marcel.

He's the perfect example of being short, doesn't matter. If you're funny, rich, famous, have an accent. Losing your woman to someone that's just like hitting her with a different language is another level of pain. But you also kinda know, there's a lot of, if I go on vacation, when I was younger, if we go on vacation I'd always kind of like meet a guy like you know that's not

a real that's a guy that's like trying to come to America like he's like yeah it's always that so then if you see that and you kind of know she's getting 90 day fianceed are you excited for the eventual yes fall yeah yes it's, it's the excitement is in the. Or you're embarrassed that you're with someone that was so stupid to fall for it. I think a little bit of column A, a little bit of column B. I think you're like, you're mad

that you were with someone so stupid so you anticipate the fall even more. Yeah, and it happens. Because you go, this idiot's gonna fucking crash out. I know, it's like I went on vacation to Greece and I'm out and you're like, this is not real. You know, the entire Stella got her groove back story was fake. He was a gay guy. Oh, really? Yeah. Like the whole movie they did was like, she went down there and a young Jamaican man just gotten them.

I think it was a true story. He was based. A woman wrote a book. Terry McMillan wrote that, I think. Can you look book. Terry McMillan wrote that I think. Can you look up if Terry McMillan got swindled? But yeah, how Stella got her groove back? I used to, that used to be my genre of books, like black women romance novels. In Philly. Urban romance novels.

Oh, you loved it? I loved, I read a bunch of this, a day late and a dollar short. You just loved all that? I used to love like Tyler Perry things. I was like, I don't know if this is like a Philly and a dollar short. You just loved all that? I used to love like Tyler Perry things. I was like, I don't know if this is like a Philly thing. I just. You just got into it.

Love and basketball. You're just like, oh my God, they're playing for love. Yeah, dude, if you wrote. I was like, if Omar Epps isn't something, I'm watching it. Now every movie is how Stella got her groove back because they popped Harvey Weinstein and now all the women didn't age out. So all the movies are surrounding

these like older women's stories. Which stories again I'm going in a direction so I'm not the genres no I would actually like I think I think Candice Owens is working hard to get Harvey out and I think okay yeah with Jonathan Plummer who was plumbin and uh who was taking in some dudes, I'm pretty sure. He was laying some pipe inside. Allegedly. I don't know. I don't have Google in front of me, but it is always funny when those true stories that

are like, like when they did the blind side and then it turned out that that family was just using that kid. But the way they made it look was like, no. You can almost tell though that that's what was happening anyway. It's like the Alec Baldwin thing again. The hilarious, hilarious being like, I saw a meme from the show. It was like, hilarious said that like Alex Baldwin wanted to kill himself after. And it's like, okay, then do it or don't.

Yeah. You don't get points for saying someone wanted to get someone is dead. So death is not off the table here. I'm not saying he does it. Watch number one, please watch an episode of the Baldwin's. Definitely on demand on TLC. TLC, you are, I would say, one of the most significant members responsible for the brain rot that has occurred in our fucking culture. You piece of shit. And the bed rot with the 600 pound, but it is like watching this, my 600 pound life.

It's like the same thing where like, it is that freakish to me. It is. The kids, everything. It's like the same thing where like it is that freakish to me it is the kids everything but watch another episode Hilaria Hillary Baldwin from Massachusetts She's from fucking and also by the way when you're caught just like evolve from that don't keep doing it. No What dude can you imagine if after I did that Russian joke in 2012? I just like started being like kind of Russian And I just like started being like kind of Russian. You'd be like, you're Swedish and Irish. And I'm like, but even if you did that,

and then three years in, got called out and everyone was talking about it. And then you just kept doing it. Here's the thing, if she lived in a Spanish speaking country all the time, and she came back and didn't, I'm with you on that. I really dogged a Madonna when she moved to,

with Guy Ritchie to England. And I was annoyed by that, but then I was in London for like a week and I was like, oh, you do end up getting an accent. Cause you don't want to be rude either. And not speak their accent. No, fuck that. They kind of like it.

It's like the way English guys are here. They lean into their accent, lean into being an American over there. When I worked at Dos Caminos, dude, there was this girl that worked there that got hired as a hostess, and we all know hostesses. Yeah, hostesses.

Hello, the idiots of the restaurant. They're the reason they're hot and they're up front. Yeah, they're not allowed to have, they shouldn't, they actually have too many responsibilities. Too many. And anyone that's ever worked in a restaurant knows, you never take a host or hostess seriously. I don't care if you call yourself a made or D. You're nothing. You're working in the front. No one's taking you seriously.

This girl started working there. Black girl doing a British accent and everyone was like, oh, oh you're from, she's like, oh lovely. Like I remember the first time where you're like, I'll walk them to my table and she's like, oh, lovely. Like, I remember the first time we were like, I'll walk them to my table. And she's like, oh, thank you, Dan, that's lovely. And you're like, what a lovely accent. Kept it up, kept it up, like a month. And then this girl Rose from East London started working as another hostess. And she was like, I'm from East London, where are you from?

And the girl was like, and then it's just American. And she goes, my boyfriend's from London. And we were like, what a night you have to quit. You quit. You walk out. No, no, no show. You don't. I would have to go. I'd have to text someone I would go to the dose, but I think it happened pretty quickly.

That's that happened. You gotta go. You can't when you, I have no interest in a liar. I just have no interest. What I have nothing to talk to you about. If I know you're a proven liar, what the fuck am I gonna talk about? Just getting called out on that and they go,

but it doesn't feel like people now, when they get caught lying, pay anything. They just go like, I lied and now here's my- They're like, see me on House of Villains. Yes, exactly. And then they're like, here's my redemption arc. That I'm like, so sorry I lied. It's like, how about the fact

that you were fucking straight up lying? Dude, this girl was in the pocket doing a British accent. So embarrassing, and then completely humiliated. If someone showed up and was like, oh, you'd be like, oh fuck, I don't know why I'm doing this. It just seems so much easier to just tell the truth and then you don't have to ever. I wanted people to like me,

so I was doing a British accent. You'd just be like, oh, I was trying it out. I'm an actress. I was like method acting. I was trying to. By the way. That would be awesome. And by the way, that'd be cool, especially in New York.

It'd be so cool to get a job and just like try out your. Damn, I think you're going to be OK. Or if she did it to different tables, different accents. All of a sudden, she's like a hillbilly. Like I used to do when I was a waiter. Sometimes when I was feeling bored, I hated waiting tables. You'd find-

I loved it. You liked waiting tables? I liked it. What did you like about it? I just liked all the interaction. I'm such an extrovert. I get like, I feed off of speaking to strangers. Oh yeah.

And also, I've known you for, I mean, close to 20 years now. You, there's nothing more Annie Letterman than you chomping gum and gun. What do you two fags wanna drink? There is like- I used to be like, you guys haven't, I was like, you still haven't decided. I would slap, like I would throw their menus down.

Yeah, and there's absolutely, they're like, and people think it's just Scarlett Johansson in a role. They go, I swear it's ScarJo. It's ScarJo getting ready for a role. Have you ever been in a room with her? I haven't, no. Cause I feel like- But I definitely know Colin haven't, no. Because I feel like- But I definitely know Colin.

It's like- But I feel like there'd be a moment where she would be like, look at you and be like- Yeah. If I saw a guy that looked exactly like me in a room, I'd be like- I don't know that I would know she looked at me, like me, if people didn't tell me that.

I don't know if that would register with me. So do you think if you were in the room and someone goes, hey, Scarlett, that girl looks just like you, she would go like, yeah, I can see. Cause once you see. Or would she be like, it maybe depends on my behavior. If I'm acting like, if I'm too full Annie, she might be like, I don't know her. I don't, I don't know. I have nothing to do with her. Or would she go like, that's how I've always wanted to act. Oh, what if I brought something out in her? What if, what if people started going, you look like Annie Letterman. That actually, that's the goal.

Okay, vision board. And then she starts wearing a cheetah, and then things start slamming red bulls. Colin goes, can I tell you something Annie? This has brought new life in her. She goes, first off, she's rude as fuck to everybody. But they like it, they're like into it. Yeah, that's how you'd have to like really change her life.

Yeah. I, it's her changing your life. That's lame. Yeah. Let's have, no, I want to be, I want to have the impact. Yeah. Where she goes, that's the power. Yeah.

Go. I'm, you're, I'm the main character. You're, you're my stand-in. You should be my stand-in. She go, excuse me. Oh my God. You should, I would probably say something stupid like that if I met her and just totally ruin it. She'd go, goodbye.

Yeah, she'd be like, I don't need nonsense. Do you know that I'm rich enough to not need any nonsense? Which is, that's what you want Baldwin to be, rich enough that he doesn't need nonsense. I wish I could go back to that movie that we did, Drunk Parents, you can see it, you can stream it. Did you write it? No. It sounds like your life.

Fox did Fred Fred wolf did the direct the guy that wrote dirty work. He directed it to Fred wolf rules former SNL writer Oh, I walked in the room to audition. I was like, did you go to the 50th? You get invited? Oh, what do they invite? They didn't invite any of our friends. Oh Nate chain Just like people that have done people have done the show. I wasn't sure what level of. No, you had to be fucking, and it was obnoxious. Do you? All the people around for SNL 50 that week.

I was so annoyed by that. I mean, dude. I'm happy for my friends, like obviously celebrate your job and everything, but. It's like. On Sunset Boulevard, they had this giant like cardboard cutout thing of it, and I'm like, nobody is like, cares about this right now. It felt it stopped traffic people

were like what is this? It felt like when someone throws a big birthday party but a they don't invite you and B they're like it's for your dog a dog or something it's like extra where you're like oh okay. Like I know I don't want to be like hating on it because I am like it is obviously like a I think mine is absolutely partial jealousy of not. Well you have the skill set. I would obviously do it if they asked me to do it but I don't I wasn't born for it. You were born for it. I wasn't born for it.

I would have not survived. You have accents. Yeah I do care. I do voices and stuff but I'm the way mentally I'm built I'm not built for SNL. No but here's why you are built for it. You would be the star. So when the people that are the top that are doing the best in all the sketches don't have any, it's not hard for them.

It's only hard for the people that are like fighting for their like their right to be there. That's why that's what you think you would have. I would have felt like that. Yeah, because they wouldn't, you wouldn't be validated by getting the job. No, my audition, why my audition sucked, why I completely know that both my screen tests sucked, because I wanted it. You were too desperate for it. I was like, isn't that so

you can feel yourself like just like I was grossed out by it. It's like the Donnie Darko thing and it's like out to them and it's just like these hands wanting to pull it and they're like get away from us. And Lauren can see that. By the way, my two friends that got SNL, Pete and Shane didn't want it. Yeah. And you're like, well, that's the energy. Santino and I screen tested the same year Pete got it.

And I would love to see you guys do it. But I guarantee Santino and I were both coming off like, please. And they were, and Lauren did start like just getting people that were standups too, like standup heavy. And it was- They told me not to do standup. They were like, do, my agent at the time was-

Can you do a little bit of it? Do you have clips of it? Can you see it? Oh, I've talked about this on podcasts and shit. Can we see it though? I don't think the auditions anywhere, it wasn't. Can you do like a little bit of it? I did, I did the second year,

the one thing that made Lauren Michaels laugh in the room, which they say is hard to do, was I did Winnie the Pooh addicted to honey. Yeah. And it got him like, did you come in with no pants on? Just a t-shirt, just a red tee, just a red tee full. And I'm nervous. So my penis is extra small. I hit my balls. But he likes it.

That's when he laughed. He goes, Oh, look at that. Oh, look, it looks like the penis is resting on his balls. Okay, no my balls are bigger. But he likes it, that's when he laughed. He goes, oh look at that, oh look it looks like the penis is wrestling on his ballset. Okay, now let him go, who is this guy? I go, hi Lauren, please, everything's please. Why is the penis up looking at me? Oh my God, and then I did, yeah, I was like,

have you ever woken up in a parking lot and nothing but a red shirt hung? I forgot the lines I did, but he like laughed. When I did the voice, he laughed. I feel uncomfortable with you doing the character in front of me. Why? I do voices all the time.

We can like, we can dissect it. I don't know why I'm feeling nervous. I get it. By the way, however you feel. I don't want you to bomb, like, and I- I bombed already. I bombed in this situation. But I don't want, but I wanna be, I wanna,

cause I love you, I wanna, you know, but- You want me to succeed, I get that. But then I got nervous it wasn't gonna, and I was like, I just, cause I love you, I wanna, you know, but. You want me to succeed, I get that. But then I got nervous it wasn't gonna, and I was like, I just. No, it's good. The poo is good. The voices I did, I wasn't doing anything. But it's inherently like, making up your own characters and sketches

is already inherently kind of. Gay. Gay. It's very gay. That's the problem with acting is, and where you're kind of one of the only people I know that can be good at both things, cause they do fight with each other. You're supposed to be too cool for acting.

Big J and I always talk about this. It's the difference between joke writing and songwriting. Songwriting, you have to be sincere and being like, I'm coming up to get, but that idea, dude, Katie and I were laughing so hard because she was in the other room the other day. And I was sitting in here sincerely trying to sing, like trying to sing.

She heard me not be able, I couldn't get through it without dying laughing of embarrassment. Cause I was like trying, I forgot what fucking song. And you don't get embarrassed when you act? A little bit. It took me years. I did a really bad rom-com with Kristen Miliotti, who's awesome in The Penguin.

Go watch her in The Penguin. Yeah, that show was great. She fucking rules. And she had to help me be like, okay, but this isn't lame. You're like acting. And I was like, this is lame. Well, cause I was like bullied like theater majors.

That was what I wanted to do. That was when it shifted from bullying the bullies. It was like when someone would break out into show tunes at the, in college, I would lose my mom. You'd just be at a party. I'd be like, this will be fun. And it's all these horny theater majors and they just start singing.

I'm like, why are we singing? I hated it. Oh, I don't want you to sing. I'd rather them to start doing monologues. There would be moments on, you know, there was a lot'm like, why are we singing? I hated it. Oh, I don't want you to sing. I'd rather them just start doing monologues. There would be moments on you know, there was a lot of like, everyone that I worked with on billions were like, actor, yes, actor, good actors, great, great. But then you get older. And like, of course, they were like, but they were like, they

would they would know a song from a play that I had fucking no idea. And they'd start singing. And I'd be like, I gotta go get a coffee. I can't watch you. It felt like they were just starting to lez out in front of me and be like, I don't know, you guys can do this. I gotta.

Yeah, that says, do I need to be here for this? I don't know if I can fucking watch this. Do you need my validation here? What do you need? Or they would look at you and be like, have you seen it? And you'd be like, I didn't see this. Well you know what happened I was too dumb to keep doing improv because I actually really liked improv I did all

the UCB classes and stuff but then I started getting to a level of like they have more actor than comic. Way more actor than comic and they just knew more things than me so I would just be in a scene I'm like am I just gonna play the idiot that doesn't know anything every time yeah I'm like they'd be like Native Americans I'm like but beyond small just gonna play the idiot that doesn't know anything every time? I'm like, they'd be like Native Americans. I'm like, but beyond smallpox, I really don't have anything. I was like, my education level, I had a ceiling

and like, UCB started here. They're like, do you need me to know tribes regionally? No, I was like, I'm not very educated. But that was also why I think when standup comics find standup, you go, here we go. These are all the, this is smoke break at the restaurant energy. Oh, you mean when find stand up, you go, here we go. These are all the, this is smoke break at the restaurant energy. Oh, you mean when actors find it, you mean?

When, when, when actual comics find comedy, you go, this is it. And by the way, probably that's how actors feel when they find acting, that they go like, here's an outlet. I think you just need an outlet. And that's what's crazy. That's what sucks, I think right now about stand up is you're finding a bunch of people that don't care about that being an outlet

They're just using it for money. They're just going like I can do this and sell tickets It's so weird what's happening. I choose to surrender to it. I don't want to be someone that's like back in my day It was better like I want to just like I believe that however anything evolves is how it's supposed to evolve But I will say that it is weird that however anything evolves is how it's supposed to evolve but I will say that it is weird. Watching people without any comedic sensibilities do stand-up comedy? Or they're just like posting me like they're literally like just saying a meme yeah and you go a clip and it's going viral and you're like the reason is going viral is because it's already a meme. You know what it is is I think there was a time in stand-up and I there's still, I think there's a lot of comics that still go by this rule

where if you've heard someone do a joke, you go like, oh, so and so has that joke. So I can't do that joke. Oh, that's done. I'm telling you. People have done word for word my jokes and I used to like DM and be like, hey, I've done that on TV.

That's like my joke. I'm known for that joke. Did you see Joe List with Travis Kelsey? I saw a tiny bit of it. Katie had her Joe on her podcast. Oh, it was Katie's fault. No, it wasn't Katie's fault at all. Oh, no, she didn't have Travis. She had Joe on and she talked about it. And Joe was like, I love Joe's brain because he's like, that means they were like watching a clip of me probably after

him and Taylor had sex. That's where Joe's brain goes. But it is like it used to be a thing where you were like mortified. It would be, but they don't, I've DM'd someone who did one of my jokes and I just said, hey man, people are like sending this to me. Yeah, and they go. I didn't stumble upon this.

Like people are tagging me in your comments. But they go like, hey. And they just don't even care. I watched a comic who I actually kind of like recently. I like him, I like watching him. And I watched his set for like 25 minutes and I was like, oh, that's a so-and-so joke That's a so-and-so joke. That's but then I started thinking Maybe this is when we become dinosaurs where we don't let go of that and then you just like, okay

Well, then I'm gonna start doing some shit that maybe you see me being like, you ever smoke crack? I'm just doing Richard Pryor. I'm like, you take the shit. I'm sprinkling crack over the board. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh my God. We just started doing all the famous black people's jokes. So you go, Soder's killing with legit killing them softly. I'm like, and then we put it on Sesame Street.

Not the, thank God. Yeah, it's- There's no rule. Well, it was- It's lawless. I think also we used to be so, everyone used to be so connected. I think everything's so fractured now. Everything's no rule. Well, it was, I think, I think also we used to be so, everyone used to be so connected. I think everything's so fractured now. Everything's fractured.

Cause like, it's so fun to come back. I did, you know, all of Lewis's shows, basically. Yeah. I've gone with all the Lee's Room to Sang's guys. Yeah, he's the man. But beyond them having a hundred podcasts together every day. Yeah. There's not many people hang,

the green room's not the hang. There's no hang. And so when I come and I do shows, I'm trying to like curate a hang. I could argue. LA's not a hang. So when I come and I do shows, I'm trying to like curate a hang. I could argue. LA's not. Austin has, you know, they have a scene right now that is still so new, the hang is still very important.

Whereas LA and New York, the hangs are kind of dead because it's like old hat. You're like, you know. We've got like kids and shit. But I go to this, I'm like, I love living here with Katie and my dog. I know when you find a partner, you know, I go to like kids and shit. But I go to this. I'm like, I love living here with Katie. So am I dog? I know when you find a partner, you love them.

Like I would so much rather be with Todd or I make Todd come with me to the comedy store. Katie comes with me to shows, but I'll go to the cellar and do spots and then be like, oh, hang while I'm waiting to do my spots. But then after my spots, I'm not like, let me stay till 2 a.m. and then Che's gonna show up and then fucking Nate's in town and we're gonna hang out. It's like, it was so funny because when Nate was here for SNL 50,

he's like, I'm gonna go to the cellar and hang with Spade and Chris Rock. And I was like, I have zero interest in that. I have zero interest in sitting at a satellite table where Spade and Rock aren't gonna make eye contact with me because I'm not famous enough. And then I gotta watch my friend and then my friend's gonna check in with me like I'm a child playing with my toys. I asked Chris Rock something once.

It was funny because I'm friends with David, so with Spade, so we always talk when we see each other. But there was something with like Chris Rock. I DM'd him. Oh, he brought me up one night or something. And I think I DM'd him and was like, That was amazing. Thank you. I DMed him and was like, that was fun.

That was amazing, thank you. I just said something, whatever. And I'm sure I had a joke in there or whatever. And then I saw him like the next day or something. I was like, oh, he sent you a DM because it was like, cool that you brought me up. I was like, and he was like, he said something along the lines of like,

yeah, I wouldn't read that. Like it was something so cutting where I was like. Dude, I'm telling you there's just. And it's fine, like whatever. Yeah, but also there's this. Big timey, it's fine. It's fun to watch these like old school celebrities that had the industry and they always were like,

I'm in and you're not out. And then the industry collapsed and you're like, welcome back outside motherfucker. Enjoy doing a YouTube special. Yeah, it's so, man, there's something so gratifying because they're the industry was the cool kid club where they'd got like you'd watch someone go. Well, you had to be plucked. You had to be plucked and like, I mean, I watched them. I watched them take Kumail. I watched them take like Pete Holmes. You watched them like

take people like Pete Davidson got pulled into it and they go like, here you go and now you're in the industry. And they would like know each other and they'd like, when they meet up, they'd be like, we're in the industry. And then the industry collapsed on itself. And then now you watch them go like, we're still inside and it's great.

It's like your house is collapsed. Stop acting like you're in the industry. I will say I kind of like, like Ali isn't, Ali's always really nice to me, Ali Wong, but I'm always like you're really in this. I will say, I kind of, like, like Ali isn't, Ali's always really nice to me, Ali Wong, but I'm always like, thanks for being nice, because you're busy, bitch. You got, I don't have the same stories as you. I love it.

I just saw Ali in LA, known Ali forever. Great seeing her. One thing that did annoy me is she goes, your boyfriend, my boyfriend loves your Kat Williams impression, and I went, it's Bill Hader. Yeah. Don't do this.

Yeah. Give me the flowers of it being Bill Hader. You know I'm dating Bill Hader. But yeah, but with Ali I'm like. Because I love Bill Hader. But I'll go to Ali, when I'm talking to her I'm like, if you're dating Bill Hader, you don't need to talk to me. You know what I mean?

I'm like, I can talk to you about when I flew on my other friend's private jets, you know what I mean? Like the things we have in common. It's a little bit like yeah But that's why I go for the past but I can also see why every single fucking person on planet is Fed up with celebrities. Yeah, because if you're even kind of near him, you're like what the fuck do you do? We need to start making like people that do necessary shit

celebrities like start making like people that do necessary shit, celebrities, like, uh, contractors and like plumbers. I was thinking that this about the trans community. I was thinking we got to get them out of being baristas. Like you have to have more important jobs. Yeah. Then you're never going to be taken seriously. If all you, yes, you need to be plumbers.

You need to be like doing like, okay, helpful. Like someone like something that you can't do like if I was building a house I'm still sad. Yeah, someone was like framing my door and I go, um Well, he's right over there and they turn around they go you misgendered me Yeah, and you know, I want my door. Of course. I can't flush the toilet. I got it I knew my door for it. It's like I need my door frame, right? They know like it frame, right? They them. Is Taco Bell and Starbucks the only places that are hiring trans people? It could be true.

It could be. Where they also- Is it like the military where they're paying for their transition? It's like the pipeline. They have recruiters. They're like, welcome to the fifth meal. Yes.

What's your name? And then if they find the name, they write Bucket instead. Did you go to a high school where the military called all the guys that were stupid? Because I would get so many calls from the army. I went to a high school of straight up freaks and juvenile delinquents. Oh yeah, you went to an alternative high school. Was it actually, what was it called?

Like it wasn't called school, but it wasn't called like an alternative high school. It was called an alternative school it was in like a house yeah a lot of times over like pillows but we're not gonna get into the details I think you can see where it's going and it's a house and everyone's bad kids I always I had one of my friends brother went to an alternative high school and then two kids I knew got sent to the alternative where they did only there to them? You know what's funny is for boys it was fights.

It wasn't fucking it was fighting. Everyone was like the and then you'd find out like the teachers put hands on them like the teachers would like. Oh I but my girlfriends were like that too. I always was friends with these like girls that would become bi- you know or become like now they're after I met them they'd'd be like, she's taking lithium. She'd be so weird. I'm like, my friend's weird.

But I always was friends with the girls that would like, they'd be like, yeah. And then I like threw the chair at my teacher. And then I pulled like a chunk of her hair out and I was always like Quaker, nice. That's so funny. Like I was always like, I was like, oh. Here's the thing about Annie Letterman,

and I've known you for a while. And I will say this right now. Annie's core is inherently good. She just likes to talk shit and she likes chaos. But Annie is a sweetie pie. I don't think I even, I think I actually don't like chaos. Well, you don't like what? I think I don't like chaos.

I think I'm delusional and think I'm fixing the chaos by being the way that I'm being. But you love shit stirring. Not shit stirring, I love shit talking behind, like if you and I get together, we have a mutual friend, we saw them post something, we are skilled at this. We've dropped off too. We are skilled.

We've dropped off. I'm saying bi-weekly calls. Bi-weekly's every two weeks, right? I would also be willing to open it to a, cause you need to see how phenomenal that one is at shit talking. Oh I know, I've been. We'll get on a thread. We'll start letting it go.

And this is always why I was so surprised that you and Wolf didn't fucking bond. I think we just never, well, Wolf, here's what I'll say about it. Cause Wolf is a phenomenal person to talk, reach out to to Shit Talker. I think she had a little bit of a trajectory that was leapfrogging over me.

Over most? And I think, and that's fine. I'm sure, I'm sure there's some. Yeah, that might've been some insecurity, you know, coming up, but listen. But she wants, I remember once she was like drunk at cabin and she. Michelle Wolf drunk is one of the most fun things.

She was drinking red wine. Yeah. And she was like swirling it. She came from the banking industry. She was a banker. No, I know, it's amazing. So she shows up at comedy. And she applied this shit into comedy.

She was just like, ding. Blue right eyes. Right, but she was drinking her wine and she goes, she was like, Annie, I always admired you or something. And I was like, in my head, I was like, I will keep this forever. And I needed it for a while. When she was like big time with me,

I was like, I will always have this moment in the show. I remember you had your little fucking glass in the room. But I also don't, I was never like offended by it. I'm kind of like impressed by people that do that. And she was always cool with all of you guys. It wasn't like she was- She's shit. She's shit. She wasn't- She was legitimately one

of my favorite human beings on the planet. And it's funny because when you see that you go like, ah, it is, you're right. There's something about finding someone that you're friends with that you can go like, can we talk about this? I do like when you're that you go like, ah, it is, you're right. There's something about finding someone that you're friends with that you can go like, can we talk about this? I do like when you're talking shit on someone and you go to your mutual friend and you go,

I love this person. Like when you have to do that and you're like, listen, but this has to be said. You know what happened is shit talking, it got too public. It got too public and I think the audience, now that we're online, the audience is shitting on us, too. So then you're fine with because, by the way, I

truly think it's a fucking crazy privilege and luck that I get to be funny for a no also shout out skanks. So they posted that I was going to be on the show. Yeah. And I looked at like the post and it was all like fucking she's ugly. She's like Women are funny. Like you're not gonna be funny. Everyone that's writing that super hot, dude yeah, no, no, but but it doesn't matter but I got kind of excited about it cuz I

Did very I had a very fun. I was being very fun. I was having a great I had an excellent time with them. I was like, let that be your thought while you're going in, let that be your thought. And whether you think I'm pretty ugly, I don't care. But like it's, it was just like, okay, you're like showing them up. Yeah. Well, because the old way of celebrity was like being like, and like a politician, yeah. Politics are all fucked up now. Celebrities are all fucked up now. It's just kind of like, we're fucking done with all of them

Yeah, but I think there I think the thing is too. I think in New York like we all Were together so early in our careers too that it's like, you know that we Like each other. Yeah, like there's that base. Yeah, there was we were all the same. We like each other Yeah, we all make fun of you We fucking sat around and drank and talk shit. And I think we made each other kind of like better because you would like kind of fuck with someone about something real.

Yeah. And then you're like, okay, maybe I do need to. I mean, dude, there's still moments I have it. That's why I love doing the regs with Bobby Joe and Lewis is there's moments where I go, I am being a bitch. Yeah. But they're my friends and you're like, yeah, you're right.

I am a little thorny cunt. I know and being, if you're being, if your feelings are hurt by it, it's like, that's the lose, but it's good. Yeah. That's when you go like, what am I upset about? What am I getting upset with? So because the people that don't, that's what sucks. Now that we're older in this business, you've, we've watched us, people we know and people, some people we don't know get so famous that you watch them get insulated that no one tells them the truth anymore

And you're a Z and you're too far away, which I think that's success in any job Yeah, like when someone becomes the CEO or the vice president and they're like moving up people stop being like yeah I was in like accounting with that guy. That guy is an idiot. He's my buddy We used to drink beers over at Friday. You should have seen him back in the day when he drank. And then he like comes by and he's like, Hey, so, and you go, and you like tone changes. It's weird.

Yeah. There's certain people that have gotten to a level of success where I'm like, I literally don't know what to talk to them about. Yeah. Like that's what's fun about Shane is he's remained so much. He's such, he's still Shane. That like built out of trash. Like he's a yeah

you gotta have a trash even Nate I'll go like what are you talking and he'll be like oh no man that's what you do and I go shut up I was like Nate you're the only one I can still fucking talk to you shut up but that's like when he was like oh we're gonna go hang out with Spade and rock I was like I am good yeah I'm not a hot young girl that Spade wants to fuck and I'm not famous enough for Rock to make eye contact with. So no thanks.

That's when he was like- I think he could have fun. He came back from that, you know, he did that huge show with like Gaffigan, Seinfeld and all them and he's like, Seinfeld's the best. And I go, Seinfeld sucks. Any young comic will tell you. The only thing he's doing that's so funny

is being like, I don't care about Palestine It is so fun. I mean out loud with its so Out loud. I'm with his chest He's going like I want to see a TLC documentary of him just saying things like that to people like just a half hour Once a week I'm going what I don't care about Palestine He goes it's six months. There's gonna be Palestinians. And you go, fucking Jerry. He's being so direct. It's wild.

Even Kramer's going like Jerry. Fucking pull the brake. You're really not delivering. He's like, Jerry, you're going real nuts. He's like, I'm just saying, stop the aid. We need to stop the aid to the Palestinian children. They don't need food if they're dead. Yeah, he's like, let's just kill them already.

But with the sign vote thing, that's what he notices now. You notice if you stop, Hey, they die. Yeah. There's something about pro Israel side. What's the deal with? Yeah. So funny to me. He's wanting to live. He goes, no, America's given us 2000 pound bombs. Why not 4,000 pounds? It's fucking wild. Watch it.

So, but he's been so rich for so long. That's what I mean. Yeah. It's like a Duke or like, it's like someone of royalty. And we see people like where they start and then where they get. Sure. And really seeing the reality of how much money people have

and how much like Power you just get from being able to snap if you could be like dude I've said this to Shane you could go you could go Shane right now could go No, I want a snowboard out of a helicopter Yeah, someone will get it out tomorrow a guy will be looking at his phone going this. That's a great idea on it I got a snowboard. I got a snowball. I want my favorite pie waiting for me at the end. But I've said this to Shane, he's the only person that can talk to Joe Rogan on the same level.

Like he's the only one that can talk to Rogan and be like. I wonder if they'll ever get to a point where they get to a place that's very similar. I don't know, but that's how relationships work. But Shane was like, I was telling him on Protect Our Parks that leg kicks are gay. And I was like, this is what I on protect our parks that leg kicks are gay Energy to bring it all back to what we were talking about the beginning that bully energy when people get that powerful It's the reason like Wall Street guys go get their nuts stepped on by dominatrix because all the first scene of billions

streaming now on Paramount Plus But they they need that These guys that are like, boy, so you fucking piece of shit. I just made $2 million at lunch. And then they go and there's woman goes, no, don't touch your penis. They go, please mistress, please may I touch myself? And she's like, you're a slug.

And he's like, oh God. And it is, those guys like bullying. So when a guy comes along, like that's why it's funny to watch people with Philly energy be around famous people because they're like, what are you gay? It's so hard. Like even Jay, who's the sweetest, when he's around celebrities, he's like, this sucks. I don't want to be around this. Because you can't be your full express self around them.

But LA people go right into it. LA people go like, oh my God, you were amazing in this. Well, sometimes I'm like that, I'll be honest. But it depends on if I feel that way. 12 years in LA, how much has that taken your soul? No, I have not even noticed a problem until the past three months, really. I've just been like, wow,

I feel like I can't be self-expressed. I feel like my superpower doesn't work in this town. It could. You like go and it's like the little zap. You can't like, like I could have visited Hollywood. It'd be awesome. I probably why don't you do that? Because I still have this part that like is a fan of people and wants to kill that. I have to kill that. But it's like, you know who I really geeked out in front of and she did Finally follow me back Minka Kelly like I the people that I'm obsessed with are like probably girls You all jerked off to and what from when you were younger and then yeah, they're friends

I want to like be them like I don't even ever need to see them again But I will literally rob a florist to give people their flowers like I'm like Well, did you see that because I'm a hater so when I like something I really want to give it I want to even out the oh So I'm like I well, did you see that picture? Cause I'm a hater. So when I like something, I really want to give it. I want to even out the, but so I'm like, I'm weak in my knees. Did you see Alex Edelman in the picture of him? I was in trouble. Jessica Alba and Alex Edelman. People were sending that.

How does he get? I do that photo went around to every comic. The second it hit the internet. Is he using the tunnels, the Jew tunnels to get to these women? Like what is he doing? He's popping up in their bedroom. He's like. He's always like foaming at the mouth.

I'm like, hey, so just crawled in here. Thought I could, dude, it was wild. That was like a thing. And is he, is that a confirmed thing or were they just? No, it's just a picture on the internet that comedians were like, no fucking way. It was getting circulated. Every, it pinged everyone's phone.

Isn't it crazy that when you get successful, you just, all your friends are just screen grabbing all your shit. They're going like this fucking shit. Look at this fucking lizard. That's why you gotta stay right below. Or you have to just stop giving a fuck, which is so hard. That's what I'm saying.

That's the evolution of Annie Lerner. Because if you think about it, like I always worry about, my whole life I've worried about being too narcissistic, which obviously we're in a business that is leaning towards a narcissism murder. We are. But I always wanna be self-aware. I wanna make sure I'm not like,

you know, I do appreciate when people tell me that I said something, because I'm like, I didn't. I wanna learn that, because I didn't check, register that at all. But I want the room to feel good. I want people to feel good. And so, wait, what was I gonna say? Fuck.

I took one of those weed candies from back in the day. Like the one from the stand that gives them out. Remember those machines? Sam, Sam. Sam, you fuck. I was saying, with calling people out, that's gotta be your last evolution. You gotta learn how to kill off,

cause I'm trying to kill off the people, please. It's really hard. Oh, so this is what I was listening to. I was listening to a thing about this, and then I was thinking about it. The people that I admire are more narcissistic than than me the people that are succeeding to the level I want to succeed take what they want people that the people that are creating the things that I think are the best you they and and maybe not narcissistic in the way that people are like looking as my ex-boyfriend narcissistic or whatever, but like

You want your doctor to be NARS? I want my doctor to be like my ego. I think you want your doctor to be narcissistic. I want their ego to be in their tally of how well they do. Oh, you want them to like. Their reputation. If they do well, you want it. Yeah. Or if they do poorly, you want them to hurt. But most of my best friends in this business

that are doing the best, like, they're talking. And I'm adding to what they're talking about. And if I say something and they're not into it, like, you're like, oh, you want to talk about what you want to talk about. And that's why am I they're not into it, like you're like, oh, you want to talk about what you want to talk about. And that's why am I not doing that? Why am I not going into a green room and being like, bitch, we're talking about what I want to,

I'm like, oh no, I don't want to come off. And I'm like, but everyone I like does that. I think it's big because what you're admitting right now is something that I can identify with, which is jealousy of an ability that you don't have. I am jealous, cause I'm jealous of people that are- Who don't care about what people think. Yeah, who are genuinely like, ah, something's gonna live.

It's not even jealous, cause jealous I had to kill. Like jealous did die in my thirties for me, but like I do feel like it's, what it is, is it's like, it's almost like turning into admiration and going, wow, that person like has a skillset that I don't have. Like there's people that have done me so dirty where I'm like, what a dumb bitch.

And then I'm like, but I have to give them props because the way they played me like a fiddle is unbelievable. I'm watching people that's, I think you nailed it. It's admiration because there's, there really is, there's like, there's people in this business that I'm watching that I go, damn, you like did that. You did that and you didn't care.

And bitch, I already have the reputation. I'm like, I'm like just not even acting out on the reputation I have. I'm like, I gotta fucking use this reputation. Damn dude, this is inside the mind of a hater, Danny Letterman. This is absolutely- But I'm a hater family. My family raised me a hater.

I used to get in trouble for, I would go to elementary school and I would just say the things my parents said about my teachers and be in so much trouble. Yes, so it's so funny because mine was, I was always trying to break tension. I was always trying to break tension. I wasn't trying to hate.

I was just trying to be like, we're all having fun. Right, calling out a thing that nobody's saying breaks the tension, which is hatering. Yeah, and also, but like when you come from a place where you go like, guys, things are good are good see things aren't really really bad and then you go breaking the tension um yeah but no i definitely feel like to annie would yes listen to annie would watch everything annie letterman does watch the watch the evolution of my narcissism yeah dude but you are a person that i've always like since cabin bar since Creek

I always loved bumping into you cuz I was like, I knew Annie was gonna talk some shit Yeah, I knew what I saw you you're gonna have an opinion when Nate moved to LA We both moved to LA at the same time and there was no other New York comic Yeah, I remember that and we would have we had a good I remember that you guys were thick as we then he moved and didn't tell me he moved. For six months I'm on the phone with him like... Oh, when you're coming in, where are you at tonight? Yeah, and then he's like, oh, he's like,

I'm on the road or whatever. Just the funniest thing in the world. Six months this man liked me. Nate was the first person to live in a city satellite to New York and LA, but you couldn't do it back then. He lived in Nashville. He was a closeted commuter. He lived in Nashville, but he had an apartment in LA that he would like,

like he was hiding from the feds. He would like go to the apartment in LA, which it's so funny. Cause the guy, Travis that you would get the keys. He would let you like me, anybody stay at his apartment. He couldn't let me because he didn't tell me he didn't live there. Yeah. But you would go like, Oh didn't tell me he didn't live there. Yeah. But you would go like, Oh, I gotta go to LA for a week. He'd be like, stay in my apartment.

Once you save money on hotels. Oh, it's amazing. It was incredible. But the guy, it's so funny because the guy you get the keys from at the in and out by LAX is now his tour manager. Oh, really? So every time I see Travis, I'm like, damn, I feel like I'm stopping by to pick up keys for the in and out.

That's awesome. I know that guy. But it is fun, even though we're all fractured, it is fun when we meet up. He was doing the win. And I was in Vegas for the fires. I was like, I'm so traumatized. I have to gamble. And so we got to hang out with him.

It's awesome watching Tim Dillon become Tim Dillon, and he's the same. Yes. He just happens to be like, it's so funny when I watch people kind of like something, he's coming on the podcast and someone I want to talk about is like, I watch everyone else grift and for Tim, it's not grifting. Tim has different goals. He goes, I don't, I've always wanted to talk to Steve Bannon and the vice

president. Tim is, he's the, and he can really he's the funniest. He can he's please set his fan base up. He could do no wrong I'm a big I loved him. I love Staying at his place right now. Annie would is the podcast. Yes, Annie Letterman is the best Annie letterman comm slash shows come see me. When does this come out? I don't know, we might put it out Tuesday.