Soft Skills Engineering - Episode 468: Should I take a mini-retirement and doubling down on anachronisms

Episode Date: July 7, 2025

In this episode, Dave and Jamison answer these questions: Hi Dave and Jamison, Long-time listener, first-time question asker. Thank you both for the wisdom, perspective, and jokes you bring to the podcast. I recently received an inheritance of around $500,000. It’s not “quit your job and buy a yacht” money, but it is enough to reshape my life. I’m in my late 30s, currently working in a senior engineering role. I’ve had a solid run in the world of code, but I’m ready to walk away from it, zero regrets, just done. What’s pulling me now is UX and product design: more creative, human-centered, systems-aware work. I’ve applied for a one year master’s program in UX design, starting in 2026. I’m planning a sabbatical before that to travel, reset, and explore - think trains across Canada, a design conference in Vienna, a food tour in Greece. I’m also investing in short courses and portfolio work during that time. Financially, I’ve been careful: I paid off my mortgage, invested part of the inheritance, and set up a buffer. So I’m not winging it… but I am stepping away from a six-figure salary, a career my friends and family have supported me to build, and am will have no income for the next 18 months, and that’s a little scary. I want to use this opportunity well, not just coast, or panic-spend, or accidentally put myself in a worse position five years from now. How would you approach this kind of mid-career pivot with a windfall cushion? Any mental models, risk assessments, or “soft skills” wisdom to help me stay brave and smart? Thanks again for everything you put out into the world. Hi Soft Skills Engineering Team, I’m the oldest person on my team (by a respectable margin), and I’ve been taking great delight in gently baffling my younger colleagues with expressions like “I’ll get that done in two ticks,” “give me a bell if you need help,” and “stay on the line after stand-up” (even though we’re on Teams, not a landline). It has become a bit of a sport for me to see how many retro, obscure, or regionally-specific phrases I can sneak into our chats and meetings before someone finally asks, “What are you even saying?” My question is: What other delightfully old-school and vaguely professional expressions can I deploy to maintain my status as the team’s resident linguistic cryptid? Thanks for all the great advice you give, and for validating my mission to keep corporate life interesting! Warmest regards, Resident Old Person

it takes more than inserting m dashes in all my pros to freak out my co-workers and think i'm secretly an ai to be a great software engineer this is episode 468 of the soft skills engineering podcast where i'm your host jameson dance i'm your host dave smith soft skills engineering is a weekly advice show about all the non-technical things that go into the technical field of software development like making your co-workers think you're ai which could backfire in so many ways now that i now that i think about this yeah because your salary your salary will go from whatever they're paying you to 40 bucks a month yeah yeah oh great then we'll pay per usage and it's what like 0.0001 cents per token and how many tokens do you produce in a day great now

you're motivated like victor hugo was when he wrote books yeah yeah back to the old lines of source code per day incentives who could have seen this coming we're literally paying ais for lines of code oh we are i haven't thought about that that's true they're incentivized to make longer verbose code yeah that's fair yeah there's there's some charles dickens wasn't he one of the lines of probably it was like that i think it was it was that like cohort i think yeah i think paid by the page yeah paid per page or per word or something oh my gosh how the turntables have turned yes do you want to thank our patrons yes i do big shout out to those that are contributing at the level where we say their patreon profile name field value every week they are and you're

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Jonathan King, Zanai, beautiful functional user documentation. I have spent over 250 hours playing Bellatro. I just need a few more hours to unlock the last Joker. Williamangel.net, home of the niche internet micro celebrity. oh gosh the next one a niche internet micro celebrity braden cain's john grant brittany ellick benadryl cabbage patch that one got me so good when you said that one jameson oh my gosh it got me so so good what an amazing meme meme fest that came out of that one and i'll tell you what i had heard about that from

my daughter like maybe six months ago and so when you referenced it jameson having not talked about it with you it was like so much funnier to me well i can't claim to have invented it but i did remember enough to steal it yeah so you almost changed dan into dave yeah and i feel like that's kind of like the what is it car carcinization where non-crabs all turn into crabs it's like every name that starts with a d eventually turns into dave yeah i actually don't know the reference you're referring to oh well carcinization it's a bunch of stuff that isn't a crab evolves to look like a crab i see because it's like the optimal form for it's the optimal yeah like like dave is the optimal name that starts with a d that's right it is and it survives the most although i'll tell

you what not seeing a lot of babies named david in the last 20 years or so so you know what that means by the end of my life david is going to be like the the old man hipster name yeah uh hipster maybe or maybe just old guy charging back i think it'll just be old guy name it's like it'll be like harold or something yeah exactly yeah shout out to my co-worker harold who i love sorry who's not old listening actually he is on the older end of of the workforce age distribution and he's on the awesome end of the good person distribution oh shout out to harold what a tremendous place to be should i read our first question yes let's do it okay this is from an anonymous listener who says hi dave and jameson long time listener first time question asker thank you both for the wisdom

perspective and jokes you bring to the podcast you're welcome anonymous you're not the first time question asker we've had so many questions from you though anonymous okay back to the actual question i recently received an inheritance of around five hundred thousand dollars it's not quit your job and buy a yacht money but it is enough to reshape my life i'm in my late 30s currently working in a senior engineering role i've had a solid run in the world of code but i'm ready to walk away from it zero regrets just done what's pulling me now is ux and product design more creative human-centered systems aware work i've applied for a one-year master's program in UX design starting in 2026. I'm planning a sabbatical before that to travel,

reset, and explore, think trains across Canada, a design conference in Vienna, a food tour in Greece. I'm also investing in short courses and portfolio work during that time. Financially, I've been careful. I've paid off my mortgage, invested part of the inheritance, and set up a buffer so I'm not winging it. But I am stepping away from a six-figure salary, a career my friends and family have supported me to build, and will have no income for the next 18 months and that's a little scary i want to use this opportunity well not just coast or panic spend or accidentally put myself in a worse position five years from now how would you approach this kind of mid-career pivot with a windfall cushion any mental models risk assessments or

soft skills wisdom to help me stay brave and smart thanks again for everything you put out into the world you are welcome all right let me just start there was a there's a fact check needed here five hundred thousand dollars does not quit your job and buy a yacht money i'd like to direct you to the azimuth 55 evolution with three state rooms and two bathrooms beautiful yacht priced at 500 000 it's 57 and a half feet long absolutely gorgeous wood finish leather couches beautiful window and treatments it's three levels high absolutely gorgeous to enjoy life on the water with your friends and family for 500k so that's my answer that's all i got that is quit your job and buy yacht money it literally is as long as you can also captain it and maintain it for free

yeah that's actually a huge problem yeah it's like another five in my head yachts only cost like 100 million dollars yeah i guess it makes sense that you only hear about the crazy like outlier yeah the one that can't fit under the bridge to get out of the bay and it's owned by a celebrity yeah yeah well not the humble everyday working man yeah the blue collar my daily driver the honda civic of yachts i was just about to say the honda 57 feet long yacht oh my gosh how fun would that be until you get the first month's bill for your private chef captain and docking fees and then pirates are probably a thing oh yeah yeah stay out of the somalian sea i guess like that's where all the pirates yeah yeah hmm well what a great opportunity you

have that's that's pretty unique when you use master program in ux design i have advice that isn't useful here because it sounds like you've already settled settled on this plan but i feel like people often make this transition i feel like software engineer to product i think product is more common than ux totally yeah very much especially at the senior level but software engineer to product let me just i'm just going to back you up on that one jameson i'm going to say i've probably seen 50 times more people go from software engineering to product than software engineering to ux design maybe okay maybe my advice is bad then because if they are specifically set on ux oh but no i mean i was actually going to say this is an awesome idea

so please proceed because i think software engineers make fantastic ux designers but go go ahead i mean my advice is basically i've seen a bunch of people do this without going and getting a master's degree yeah fair enough and i'm skeptical that that's the thing that'll put you over over the edge but i don't know also the fact that this is ux specifically not product maybe makes that argument less compelling that software to product is a more common pathway than software to UX since you need something else to put you over the edge. Well, I'll tell you what, I mean, I think I'm actually in love with this plan. And the fact that you've got to, you know, paid off house, got quite a buffer saved up, you've got plenty of money set aside. I think

career wise, this is fantastic. And I think the world needs more UX designers who have deep, thorough understanding of the technical underpinnings of the products that they're designing i think you're filling a much a much needed gap my favorite designers have all been very technical technical enough to go build the stuff but they're they're just focused on something else also in in the llm world this is even more of a superpower because they're not quite good enough to have a non-technical ux person just go kind of like prototype on their own or if they are i don't know them but if you are focused on ux but you have these underlying software engineering skills you could absolutely deliver both like incredible ux and just kind of

like llm cranked prototypes that that demonstrate the strengths and weaknesses and explore a lot more options and feel much more real than what you can put together with existing design focus prototyping tools so so in other words you've got about six months maybe i i i think in a way it's probably the best time to be a very technical ux product person i agree because your your leverage is so much higher than it was 10 years ago where 10 years ago even if you could have sat down and done it all yourself you knew how to do it would just take you so long it wouldn't be worth it and now the space of things you can both ux i think that's a verb and then go like build either for real or as some kind of high fidelity prototype is so much larger than it was a while

ago yeah okay well i've talked myself out of it this is a cool idea including the master's degree like you're on board with that i don't know i mean sure i i don't know how else i don't know how else you would do it i could see that being a a way to onboard into this role where if you go look for jobs as a ux designer right now and all your experience is software engineering then you have a portfolio people might not take a risk on you but if you have that the portfolio plus the software engineer background plus the master's program then maybe it's great it's awesome to take a risk that's what i was going to say is ux design requires a portfolio and you know get a master's degree is an expensive way to build a portfolio but it's only expensive for certain

types of situations and in this case one of the costs that's simply not present at all is opportunity cost like your opportunity cost for not doing this like the cost of not getting a master's degree it's like nothing to you it doesn't like your your alternative here is just sit at home and chill you know for a couple of years living off your 500k or something it's like do it like you got you're in a very rare situation where money and time are not the scarce resource for you you know it usually is because most people are in the habit of trading their time for money and the moment they now trade their time for education they both lose their income their money income and they increase their money expenses and it's tough like really tough to

make that call here like you're gonna most people would have to go into debt to do that not you yeah not you at all and so so i'm i'm super on board with this idea i mean there is an opportunity cost which is the cost of like everything else putting your job yeah like i suspect that you may never earn as much as a ux designer as you are right now as a senior software engineer so maybe hopefully the plan is not to go earn as much or more than you are right now yeah i feel like in general designers are a little bit lower paid than software engineers and you're kind of coming in as a as a junior designer in some ways right yeah well let me think i kind of want to question that well i think you're true on in aggregate and on average

i think that's right what you said but this is a very special kind of ux designer now and yeah yeah and it's not just special because you have my same background which makes you special but there's definitely no confirmation bias at play here yeah but really like this is a very unique unique and special role and there if you can find the right company that needs a technical ux designer like you could you could do very well for yourself i think financially maybe even have a better income than uh than you have right now yeah maybe i mean there might be some like uh developer product companies or something that that this would be super useful there's tons of those out there right i mean we've had one as a sponsor that's that's true and

they're unimpeachable in their morals and taste and everything surely they would pay a ux designer really well yeah yeah hmm okay well maybe maybe it won't be a cost mental models yeah so i don't have a mental model for anything i do so not an explicit one not one you're aware of yeah that's That's true. I have latent mental models that are unclear to me. And I guess I just count on Dave. Dave's like, I'm like the hidden Markov thing going on, and Dave's making the observations. I'm like reverse engineering what's going on inside your mind. Yeah, like, oh, I see you do this in these situations.

Therefore, your underlying mental model must be this. I say, aha, now it makes sense. And then your mental model changes because you've now given it new input. That's true. That's fair. yeah what do you what do you have to say here i i have so much excitement for this plan so i'm guessing here just based on a few context clues this is a person with no family that they're responsible for i see friends and family but i kind of read that as extended family not like spouse and children or you're just gonna like jet off to greece by yourself and leave your

your children yeah good luck it should be hilarious you're like hey is this your inheritance with 500 000 i don't think so no you're not related to this jungle yeah i'll show you the pictures of the cool food i ate honey why are you leaving for an airplane with a suitcase full of 500 000 one dollar bills where are you going see you in 12 months baby yep anyway i i didn't gather that that's the situation here and so i'm like wow yeah you've got nothing nothing to stop you from doing like i would be all over this i'm super excited by it now okay so some some wisdom i don't have great wisdom, but the question asker explicitly asked for it. This is all, I think that the success of this plan, especially the sabbatical plan, all hinges on your expectations

for what you're going to get out of this. If you expect to come out of the backside of this 18 month sabbatical with some kind of enlightenment, fulfillment, or meaning in your life, prepare to be disappointed because this is just about fun. Make no mistake that this kind of trip, how you go and just entertain yourself, explore, ride trains, go to a conference, have good food. This is not what life is made of. This is not the stuff that builds a life where you say, oh my gosh, I'm so glad I did that. That is not at all what's going to happen here. This is my prediction. So if you go in it with just like, I'm just going to spend the next 18 months entertaining myself and having a good time. And then at the end of those 18 months, that's what

you came out with you'll probably be happy but if you expect this trip to yield some kind of like enlightenment or bringing your life some meaning that you felt has been lacking i highly doubt that it's going to give you that i i assume you're about to say and what will is listening to this podcast yes if you if instead you use the next 18 months to binge you carefully study our wisdom 468 episodes yes yes then maybe of course maybe you'll achieve the enlightenment we speak of can you achieve enlightenment when half of the people you're listening to are not enlightened probably not half half of the people wait a minute are you referring to the 50 of the soft skills engineering co-hosts oh yeah i'm talking about myself to be clear i'm the half it took me

minute to dereference that reference okay um it's good yeah i have seen this crisis of meaning happen to people who get a big cash windfall if it's like founders that sell their companies or something there's there there's this thing they're driving for and then they get it and it's kind of like well now what exactly if the whole point was to build this business and sell it off and then make this big exit and i got it what do i do yep 100 i you know james i just want to i want to linger on that point for just a moment. I personally know three people who in the last year have had this, maybe two years, have had this moment where they achieved the thing they've been striving for for a decade. They sold a company, most of them, actually all three of them, sold

a company and now don't have to work. And all three of them have told me, Dave, I can't tell this to anyone else, but I am miserable. And I feel bad for them. And it's really changed my outlook a lot but we need human beings need the growth grind we need something to wake up for every day to work toward and and we care a lot about differential and relative change in our life so i don't know what to tell you about that here but i'm glad to hear that this person's plan is not i got 500k now i'm just gonna like hang out now i'm happy yeah exactly now i will be happy now i will be happy it's just not the case so i'm actually super thrilled for this person i think it's great take a little time off reset your emotional state i think 18 months is too long

just to be fair oh my interpretation of 18 months was that was the sabbatical plus oh yes the years the ux masters program so like a six month sabbatical and then a year-long ux program personally i'd probably do like a month off like a one month sabbatical and i start getting itchy to do something and then i love it i love that you're jumping in you're growing you're investing in yourself you're educating yourself you're learning new skills you're going to go venture into a completely unknown domain that you haven't worked in before but it's adjacent to one you do know

so you have a leg up. It's awesome. I have nothing but excitement and love for this plan. I think it's just so great and I'm jealous. Cool. You want me to leave you

an inheritance of $500,000? Okay, step one. I need to go get $500,000. But I don't want it to come at the expense of your death. Oh, okay. Is there any way we can work this out where you just give me $500,000

and then we keep doing the podcast? Okay. Yeah, sure. yeah oh man figure it out i'm just thrilled by this question i didn't i leave you a living inheritance five hundred thousand dollars it's like a reverse mortgage yeah i love it no this is this is cool thank you i'm so excited for this person it's so great best of luck all right do you want to read our next question sure will i think this comes from an anonymous listener as well maybe maybe the same anonymous listener no no not the oh yeah maybe nope it's different hi soft

skills engineering team i am the oldest person on my team by a respectable margin and i've been taking great delight in gently baffling my younger colleagues with expressions like quote i'll get that done in two twit two ticks or quote give me a bell if you need help and quote stay on the line after stand up even though we're on teams not a landline it has become a bit of a sport for me to see how many retro obscure or regionally specific phrases i can sneak into our chats and meetings before someone finally asks what are you even saying my question is what other delightfully old school and vaguely professional expressions can i deploy to maintain my status as the team's resident linguistic cryptid oh my gosh i have to look up this word cryptid a creature whose

existence is disputed or unsubstantiated like it's like the chupacabra or the jackalope or whatever yes Loch Ness Monster yeah okay cryptid I love it all right what can I do to deploy my to maintain my status as a team's resident linguistic cryptid thanks for all the great advice you give and for validating my mission to keep corporate life interesting warmest regards

resident old person wow thank you resident old person oh this is great I love how there's these two ends of this kind of like the bell curve of of language it's not really a bell curve though it's some other shape that if i knew more about stats i'd be able to say well it's it's

this distribution but like you've got the new generation that has a bunch of slang that they invent or popularize yep and then there's like the middle kind of i don't know there's been around for a while they're not inventing new language anymore sort of like the the dominant but being pressured by the youngsters and then you have like the the older people who use anachronisms or things that are anachronistic to current culture so you're like fighting back against the zoomers and the yep maybe the the early gen alpha it's coming into the workforce it's like yeah it's almost like an uno reverse card on those on that generation yeah oh you're gonna tell me no cap well i'm gonna talk about what a floppy disk is what that save icon means yeah hmm hey uh do you

have any floppy disks i need to save half of a song to something yeah i i'm glad you mentioned the the zoomer generation the gen z gen alpha people because i have i have just absolutely loved having a household full of gen z kids gen alpha kids and hearing the vocabulary come up because i think one thing i could advise this old person to do is actually start picking some of that stuff up. Because here's what I've found. The people who I work with are young enough to not know my lingo from when I was a kid, but they're just a little bit too old to not know the Gen Z stuff and the Gen Alpha stuff that's coming up. And so it's actually hilarious when I throw some of these things out. How do your kids feel about it? Because I assume they hate it.

It's like nails on the chalkboard to them. My kids are very special. They know that I'm just doing it to be fun and silly and playful and not trying to be cringy, as they would say. okay so they're pretty cool with it they all kind of laugh and and they're they're cool with it but i can see how it could go bad fast yeah i mean my five-year-old rolls his eyes at me so in 10 years when i use his slang then the eye rolling will be well practiced yeah for sure well i think it'd be interesting to see can you invent new slang that they're just like oh that's resonant old oh i guess that was a term in in their time like that that is a great idea you you know what you could do is 50 of the time randomly selected you deploy made-up phrases that you've never no one's

ever heard of and you just say them to see if people will latch on to it yeah and see which ones they call you out on like do you have a higher success rate on getting called out on the legit phrases that were actually used in the past or the ones you just made yeah i need to admit something i'll get that done in two ticks is that like a clock tick from a cpu what does that mean i actually don't know that one because maybe i'm also a young whippersnapper two ticks is a colloquial british english expression often used to indicate a short amount of time similar to just a moment according to gemini because the clock ticks away the seconds yeah that's what okay i guess that's fair enough it's like two ticks of a second hand and it's

british that's great i mean if you could come up with like let's see not just chronologically out of place things but regionally out of place things that fantastic yeah go pick up like new zealand slang from the 60s and start rocking some of that if you could do it with the accent too that would be oh fantastic that'd be perfect i don't know if i have specific slang though i just like i approve of your mission your desire to bring delight and joy to your younger colleagues by saying things that they all laugh at i had a big moment where i was working with some teenagers and i kept saying the word rad and then they made fun of me what no that's a cool word no you're wrong no what i said was cool you you can't make fun of me the thing i said was cool surely it is

the young people that are wrong exactly yeah yeah that was an interesting life experience that just took my breath away jameson yeah rad is definitely the cool word i don't think it's actually cool as in it makes me cool i thought it was like knowingly kind of winkingly yeah i'm not actually that cool but i'll use this word that used to be cool yeah like it it okay it turns into actually cool again because i'm acknowledging how uncool it's like a double negative you're just no you're just dumb they don't even use the word rad really they do not they were astonished by the word They use a lot of other words. They're natural to them.

A lot of other words. A couple I picked up this week is, one of them is mogging. You ever heard this one before? I have heard it, yeah. Do you know what that one means? Could I define it? So I have a nephew who makes this face that I recognize from the Chad 4chan posts from 10 years ago that I think has become pop culture now. Okay.

He sucks in his cheeks and makes a weird face. Like a smolder? like a face yeah like trying to look good for the ladies kind of thing it's something about like oh they they like look so much better than you yes that's by how awesome they look is that what it is mogging is the act of just looking so good or being so skilled at something that other people just like feel bad about themselves yeah little jokes on you i've been mogged my whole life so you got nothing new there oh man yeah you could lean into that i mean i i feel like there's actually a rich vein of knowledge to mine from how technical stuff used to work in the past oh

yes why now yes you could talk about like mainframe i mean i guess i'm not sure how old resident old person is if they say give me a bell if you need help i assume that's like a landline bell they stay yeah give me yeah that's probably british i mean in the u.s we would say give me a ring yeah okay so maybe they are british we forgive them um i was trying to think what do i say it's okay even if you are british no i'm just kidding despite being british it's not gonna be great nothing but love for our our fair mother country our former overlords yeah yeah but maybe maybe you know stuff about mainframes and time sharing systems and yes like that that was kind of relevant again when we moved into cloud and these big centralized compute things i think it's

even more relevant in the age of AI, where LLMs are basically these big giant mainframe timesharing things where they're just running on these huge centralized clusters that you submit your jobs to. And I feel like I benefited as a young whippersnapper from older, more experienced engineers saying, hey, this new thing you're super excited about. Here's how it's like this old thing. Here's some stuff you might learn about how to use it well from things that we learned when using old thing.

I just love it when older people talk about how they had to do things back in the day. One of my favorite stories is the one of Seymour Cray, how he toggled in his bootloader program into the computer with physical switches on the front of the computer where he would toggle each of the instructions and then he would set all the switches in the positions he wanted. I think it was like eight bits at a time or something. And then press a button and it would lock that in. And then he'd set the switches again, press a button, lock that in. And he had to do hundreds of these in a row to program the bootloader and then it could start the program and he could actually feed it code through more automated means i'm just like yes tell more of

that stuff that's amazing talk about long feedback cycles and debugging and yeah i can't imagine what that would do to your workflow to have to be that legend has it he could do his whole bootloader from memory on a new computer yeah i guess i guess the outcome is like you are a super genius if you know how to program because you're kind of inventing the whole field from scratch and also need to be a super genius to make it work with the tooling at the time see how many like references to people that are famous but very old and long dead you can drop oh yeah see if you can get them to believe like oh yeah yeah i learned this from from john von neumann when i was hanging yes yes like that's great wait wasn't he from like the 50s how old are you i don't know i i i appreciate

this i'd love to see some of that uh delightful chaos in in action yeah i love it well have we answered this question i think so good luck i mean i i was i guess we could have done better by inserting some actual old references here but we're just not that old all the references i know are up to date and hip and common and modern because i am also super hip and modern and up to date you're so rad i don't know any yeah i don't know anything old all the stuff i know is fresh and new and and really cool yeah it's super cool i i think jinko jeans have oh my gosh back around to yeah i think they're i think they're cool again i hate seeing kids wear those does that mean if you stay alive long enough you see like the second and third time it becomes

cool again yeah bell bottoms are gonna come back again i guess in a few decades well they already came and went twice i think right they yeah it was like 70s 90s did they come again i don't know i don't know but look forward to that yeah oh my gosh same with like immediate mode guis we had like early guis and then react and then maybe we'll have another one in 50 years yep all right well best of luck what can people do if they want their own questions answered if you want to ask us a question and have us answer it, go to softskills.audio and click the ask a question button. We express our heartfelt thanks to everyone who submits a question. We love it so much. Thank you so much for listening. We will catch you next week.