Some More News - Carlson, Crowder, and Even More Creepy AI

Episode Date: May 5, 2023

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My name is Katie Stoll. That's right. It is. Hi, Katie Stoll. Hi. You know what else is right? What? I honestly can't guess.

Oh, I don't know. I was asking. Hi, I'm Cody. Hi. Cody, that is right. That is your name. Wow. Joining us today, very excited, writer, producer, director for some more news that's right ladies and

gentlemen will gourd hello hello thank you so much for having me honestly thank you thank you so much for being here we're so happy to casually talk about the news um this000% you doing us a favor by coming here today. Is this the final episode before a certain individual makes their triumphant return? Yeah, we're spoiling next week's surprise. Jonathan is back next week. No, nameless, nameless person. Somebody we don't, you don't know. You don't know them, but they'll be back.

Just pretend, in your mind, beep what I said before. Some stranger. Some somebody, some stranger. Some stranger who you guys will all be excited to see return. No one more so

than you guys, I imagine. Yeah, absolutely. Oh, you know, we miss them. Or them, the person,

stranger, the person. Yeah. Holidays, folks, we got them. Today person. Stranger. The person. Yeah. Holidays, folks. We got them. Today, May 4th, is National Star Wars Day. May the 4th be with you. You know why it was called that?

Why? Because it rhymes. Oh. There's like no reason. No, no, no. I i thought you were gonna give something this is actually one of the only holidays that actually meets the description of those like made-up holidays that this one actually caught on it's like it's not international tie your shoes day or whatever it's like this one actually is a made-up holiday that caught on this

is why you do this right it helps the uh the multi-billion dollar franchise uh beloved across the globe but also you know tying your shoes deserves a multi-billion dollar franchise across the globe to support that so come on hollywood get on that maybe stop that writer's strike and settle that and then have people write about the importance of tying your shoes is my point. But like an epic tale about laces. With like a nice scroll. And tongues, the tongues of shoes, not like human tongues.

Gosh, this is a real tangent, but movies, tongues, I can't, at this point I have to continue. So I watched Maverick for the first time and it was the western comedy no yes the western comedy sequel to Top Gun oh no there's a movie called Maverick with Mel Gibson it's a western it's a comedy okay you're referring to Top Gun Maverick anyway I was halfway through it and I was like have I ever seen Top Gun I'm pretty sure I have but um because I've seen so many but I've seen so many clips of it have I seen it or have I not so uh then I finished I chased Maverick with Top Gun one and gosh this

is too much setup for how shocking the amount of tongue Tom Cruise uses with what's your name with Iceman no when they make out when they're, when they fuck for the first time, it is a close-up of all tongue. Is it like a lot of tongue? All tongue. It is an obscene amount of tongue. They are doing something with those tongues.

Is it good? Are they doing something good with them? Yeah. You're saying there's a lot of tongue. Okay, there we go. Is it too much?

Is it like the gross amount? Or is it like, no, it's really hot? It was just like surprising to see in a movie. It's both of those things. It's both lot of tongue. And OK, there we go. It's like, is it too much? Is it like the gross amount? Or is it like, no, it's really hot. It was just like surprising to see in a movie. It's both of those things. It's both of those things. OK. Anyway, all of that is to say, may the fourth be with you. May the fourth be with you.

Katie, you should watch Maverick with that. No, the comedy Western. Oh, right. That's right. We've established that other one. It's got Mel Gibson in it. But if you can deal with that Jodie Foster

That's a great question I love Jodie Foster We got another holiday folks Is it also Star Wars related If you wish Cinco de Mayo is that a Star Wars holiday It can be No this holiday commemorates The anniversary of an early victory

By Mexican forces over the French In the Battle of Puebla on May 5th, 1862. But here in the States, it's just an American holiday as well. It's basically just another holiday excuse to drink and party, right? I mean, which, you know. Patrick's Day. I like margaritas. Yeah, celebration of Mexican culture. I like margaritas.

I don't like the way I feel after I drink margaritas. Plus booze. I mean, okay, I like the way I feel during drinking margaritas and right after. The next morning, I don't like. You gotta drink water. Tequila's fun. I've had a point in my life where the water, sure, is an important part, but it's fun yeah it's i've had a point in my life where uh the water sure is an important part but it's not fixing it yeah no i hear you unfortunate development but my liver is telling

me something okay that's it we've done holidays what we breeze past star wars day but we didn't address the fact that you uh a non-star wars fan who's never cared a lick about the Star Wars universe or franchise, is apparently a huge Mandalorian fan. And have really, really been enjoying it to the point where I haven't even seen the third season and you have. And I haven't finished it. And that's just, what a twist. Yeah, that's definitely a twist. What can I say? You like it? Even in a helmet, I like that's definitely a twist. What can I say? Even in a helmet, I like Pedro Pascal.

I understand. You know he's not in that helmet, right? He's not in that helmet? It's another guy. I think for season three of Mandalorian, he probably was not on set a single time. Well, his voice was there. His voice was there, and he does a great job.

Man, Cody, you just really fucked me up. I'm sorry. I thought you knew. I thought you knew it probably wasn't him. I forget the actor's name in the suit. Why would I have known that? Why would I? I mean, you're an actress.

You understand, you know, movie magic. Yeah, but... I'm so sorry for doing that to you. I'm choosing to, you know, like, our brains can't keep all the information we receive in a given day, so I'm just going to filter filter that out we're talking about it too much it's just just delete it katie from the you know he's uh he's is there every day um and he wakes up grogu in his little his little no his little crib grogu's real right yeah that's what they live together they live together pedro wakes up grogu gives him his cereals uh he's growing alien race i don't know the name of the alien seems to be drawn to eggs and eggs much like warbo um yeah actually those eggs the mandalorian

is a documentary actually it's it's all real i'm sorry that are you guys pulling my leg no it is a documentary oh phew thank god yeah yeah i enjoyed the mandalorian so what that's nothing so you're really celebrating may the fourth big yeah you're a star wars nerd now you're a fangirl i mean i like i like andor a lot as well well sounds like fangirl shit so i don't welcome i don't i don't think that i'm anywhere near a fangirl although i would lose it if i saw grogu out and about see there you go he's so cute yeah it's like the beatles he's so cute it makes me want a baby i think he's like 80 in the show right yeah but also who doesn't want a perma puppy you know it's like when you that's the thing about grogu

whenever you get a puppy you're like oh you're so cute i want you to stay a puppy and that's grogu's magic i can't believe katie you just said that's the thing about Grogu. This is like not any, like what I would expect. Like who are you? Like what happened? How did we get here? Here's the thing about Grogu is. Like what? Unbelievable.

I don't like, here's one thing about Mandalorians. Mandalorian and Mandalorians. they're jetpack, man. There's no rhyme or reason as to how long you have to go between refueling. They're just like zooping around. Katie, I gotta tell you, if you have a problem with the logic of the technology in Star Wars, you are in for a bad time. And the other thing that I kept thinking about that I kind of thought of... I'm sorry, this is so funny. You're like working at Cracked like 15 years ago. You're like, actually, the jetpacks in Mandalorian.

Unbelievable. But this isn't something new. I know we've made jokes about this one, but it is quite remarkable how bad stormtroopers are as soldiers. That's nothing new. I know, I know. It nothing new i know i know it's part of their their appeal it's part of their lure you know vaudeville clowns up there it's their gimmick slip it on banana peels playing that new star wars jedi survivor game and the stormtroopers

are not very good they miss a lot nerd oh video game boy what do you mean now now in this conversation this for the first uh first star wars game i've ever played we're supposed to be talking to will and asking how he's doing will yes well what are your grogu thoughts do not answer that do not answer that you can how are you doing i'm good i i feel great the lakers are in the playoffs so i'm gonna nerd out on that for the next 15 minutes are you prepared to talk about go for it jared vanderbilt's defense on i was gonna say that i was gonna bring that up jared about it yeah yeah yeah no i know you were no i'm good i had a really busy few weeks traveling, doing shoots in Austin and at a climate change conference over the last few days, and it's all done and I feel peaceful. So I'm

present and feeling good. Do you feel exhausted after all of that? I feel relief and that gives me energy. I mean, yeah, a little bit exhausted, but also a little bit invigorated too. So it's just that mode of when you're prepping for all of these different things. And let's be clear. We also, our shoots nestled in there in the midst of it. We were able to take some time off in there you guys fans of the show know we weren't around there was a little break and look what you missed some star wars talk a mention of the lakers all kinds of amazing stuff but it's there's so much work and energy

into planning the travel element and uh just coordinating your gear coordinating your crew getting through it and the shoot is exhausting and then needing to travel back i know and i got sick in the middle of it it wasn't covid but it was just a cold and i realized that this is the first time i've been sick in since the pandemic started because you know i would have noticed i'm like i'm sick do i have covid i got covid once did not get sick so this is literally the first time i've been sick in like four years which is dang and as a reminder being sick sucks in case uh it's not fun yeah no it sucks we talked about this at our shoot yesterday but I'm going to recreate it for the benefit of our listeners. Just that experience when you're healthy and you really want a break and you're like, oh, man, it's every so often you're like, it would be so nice to have a sick day, you know, just lay in bed. But then when you're sick, I'd give anything to be healthy again.

to be healthy again and it really does put into perspective that to enjoy your health while you have it in your body and it reminds me that there's a lot of people that live with chronic conditions that uh it's so easy to take for granted uh how lucky we are those of us who don't have to deal with something every day or all the time. Yeah, I think that's also why I feel so good is because I'm not sick anymore. And every moment I'm going to try and keep it up as long as I can. But every day that I'm like, I'm not sick right now. And I'm going to take a little moment to be thankful for that. You know what I mean?

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gone for a couple weeks but this is still an ongoing story. So let's just dive in and talk about Fox firing Tucker Carlson. We missed it. Yes, we missed it. Stuff we missed. So yeah, Fox fired Tuck on April 24th. It was a surprise for everybody. Seems that even Tucker Carlson did not see it coming as he was informed

of his termination on monday morning uh and he taped his last show on friday and he like see you later and lots of stuff has happened since then uh that we get to recap i suppose i suppose i suppose i should i could uh you know there's a lot of talk we we don't really know the reasons why there's what's being said or guessed at the fox dominion lawsuit could have played a role in his firing tucker certainly spouted a ton of election denialism on his show so that yeah well there there are a lot of claims about it and like what caused it and like there's even like a story about how like rupert murdoch is kind of weirded out by some of the like religious stuff that tucker's said and then there's this text we'll get to um but it

seems like a bunch of people claiming things partly because they don't know the answer like maybe it's this maybe it's this with these reportings but also part of it seems like it's this thing where you don't know and it's something else like these a lot because like every single example is like we knew that they knew that like they knew that a while ago like there's not there's something about like the the the plays being made here where it's like i don't believe any of this is the actual reason literally literally everything that we can go over are things it's like well yeah but he has said and done this before and yes we know we you knew this before none of this is something new like yeah it's a weird like form of like it's i don't want to say gaslighting but it's a weird like just this weird manipulation and lie like i'm reminded of i forget

even what year it was i want to say like 2018 or 2019 his head writer uh for his show was outed as like being like a racist nazi ostensibly uh posting like a really really racist stuff on like forums and whatnot. And so they fired him. And that moment always struck me because for several years leading up to that, our show, many, many shows out there, many people were pointing out like this stuff, the rhetoric of this show that Tucker's doing is pretty like fashy. It's pretty like white nationalist adjacent, sometimes full throated, like white nationalism. We did a whole piece on like on one like five minute segment. He did like, here's why this is like pretty racist. And then it was revealed that his head writer was indeed very racist. And so they fired that guy.

And then the statement out was like, you know, not this person doesn't reflect our values. It doesn't reflect what we believe and so on and so forth and then they moved on it's like but but they do because we've been saying it like it's like years of being of pointing out look at this racist stuff oh we fired our head writer who's racist but he doesn't reflect like what we think well then you said those words you said the words that you wrote up and and people were like that's racist and then you said those words you said the words that you wrote up and people were like that's racist and then you like can sort of wash your hands of that person and claim like they have there's no connection there and then years went by and people continued to say this stuff and

then they saw one text where he referred to like how white people fight and that's what did it it's the whole thing's absurd yeah yeah so this week was the last week well the new york times reported uh that just before the start of the dominion case fox executive fox executives read texts between tucker and a producer that set off alarms and here is this text a couple weeks ago i was watching a video of people fighting on the street in washington a group of Trump guys surrounded an Antifa kid and started pounding the living shit out of him. It was three against one, at least. Jumping a guy like that is dishonorable, obviously. It's not how white men fight.

Yet suddenly I found myself rooting for the mob against the man, hoping they'd hit him hard or kill him. I really wanted them to hurt the kid. I could taste it. I should remember that somewhere somebody probably loves this kid and we crush if he was killed if i don't care about these things if i reduce people to their politics how am i better than he is so there's plenty to unpack there but yeah that's not on its face worse than the things that he says on his show every day yeah i mean those uh leaks of the audio from that shock something that was planted like fed to the new york times is like this is what we think it is but you know like

the phrase semi-illiterate primitive monkeys was said by him right like what that was years ago sorry will you had something oh yeah i was just gonna that that is not the reason he was fired. I'm just going to come out and say that. Yeah, yeah. He says things 10 times as bad. It's like the big revelation would be like, do they not watch the show that he was putting up every day? I mean, this guy says racist stuff all the time. Fox News has no problem they probably have a quota for how much racism you need to put on their show i mean jesse waters all these people are spouting racism

on a daily basis fox news has no problem with racism and so that's it's absurd to think that that text would be the reason. And so it makes me wonder what what is actually the reason they fired him. And I feel like it's something that nobody knows right now. Like there's something going on that's not being spoken about. Even the clips that they're releasing is like this is like what? What? Like these are the reasons what are you talking about um it's got to be something about just like they you know they're

like it affects their bottom line in some way we're like if we keep them on we're gonna lose millions and millions and millions of more dollars because of a lawsuit or whatever it is or there's a text we didn't see that like you know heavy on the n-word stuff like that it's like oh he hasn't said that on the air whereas this is just like that would necessarily do it unless there was not necessarily like but also even this text there's an element of it like it's like this is was it like the moment of the brief moment of self-reflection that they had a problem with you know they're like oh no he's coming he's coming to his senses we gotta we gotta stop this um but also i think as every broadcast he's done since he sent that text shows he didn't really mean it or if he did it was very fleeting um he has not dialed it down

at all since realizing he was rooting for the death of like the public death of kids in the streets you know having the ability to acknowledge that he's just saying that yeah it's fucked up that i'm thinking that i really want them to kill this kid that's basically yeah but he didn't adjust his behavior or anything like that it's just he's just having the he's just able to say yeah that kid has people that love him i still think he should die like yeah like what is the part of that that they had the problem with is it that he was like you know maybe i shouldn't root for the death of this kid was that the problem that they had with it but it's the white

thing like white people fight that way that was the thing i'm like yeah you break uh tucker admitted to jumping some guy in a bathroom back in the day. Him and his friend gay bashed someone in a bathroom. It's absolutely a white men fight, Tucker. Of course it is. I read some, I think it was a Vox piece earlier, talking about, I mean, it's really jumping through some hoops as to what. Vox and friends. Sorry.

Yeah, you should be. I am. Two strikes, Cody. Two strikes. All right. There's you should be. I am. Two strikes, Cody. Two strikes. All right. There's no limit on strikes, though. That's the problem. That's right.

You know that Fox, their point was that Fox, not Vox, jumps through a lot of hoops to be or like wants to be seen as colorblind is the official thing. And the inclusion of specifically saying white men wouldn't fight like this that's the step too far i'm like this is a lot of yeah there's nothing in any of these sort of releases in this like backdoor reporting that indicates like the actual reason um maybe we'll never know i don't know what do you think comes next for him? Well, he's I mean, the interesting thing about Tucker is that he's in some ways you can almost describe him as like the head of the Republican Party. Like his producer was on his former producer was on CNN recently talking about how Tucker was like super close to brokering this house speakership live on air right with mccarthy uh right and like he yeah he's like i i'll do it i'll tell and i'll tell you what to do

and that didn't happen right that didn't happen but he did privately like mccarthy made concessions to Tucker. Yeah. So the amount of power that this person has over the electorate and by extension, the party is immense. So my guess is that whatever he does next is he's going to be, he's going to land somewhere. Yeah. But I wonder, cause like create his own thing,

the thing. Cause, and he would probably, and be able to have like, you know, his core audience sort of follow him. I think obviously like the Fox News viewership is leans pretty old and his program to some extent gets younger viewers because he wants to get the like, you know, 24 year old Nazi vibes going. But I do wonder because what like that sort of brokering like within the Republican Party, part of that is based on the fact that he has a very popular show on nightly television, right? Right. I don't know if he will have that same amount of power if he's on like a rumble, right?

Like and he would he would go there and he'd have like a channel and he'd do his thing and maybe he'd get millions of views there but but even that i don't know if it has enough sway in how the gop sort of views stuff like that and rumble's like oh for the fuck the the lead host of fox news wants to do this that's another position as opposed to like oh popular channel on rumble even though it's tucker but i don't know youtube show like you do i mean that's what he would probably do um because i don't think any other network will have him um part of me was like did he just ask them to fire him in some mutually beneficial way and now he's gonna do something i don't know what am i saying i mean run for office will he do something like that you know i think you know i don't know. What am I saying? Will he run for office? Will he do something like that? I don't think he'll run for office. You know?

I think he's... You know? I don't think... I think, like, this isn't exactly the right word, but I think he's too lazy. I don't think he wants that responsibility or wants that work. I think he likes... He'd rather just be in the ear. Yeah, and, like, he's got his home studio, talk to people in the morning or whatever,

and, like, yeah, a Nazi writes my script, I go in, I do my thing, as opposed to, like as opposed to like oh actually governing i think i don't know if he actually wants to do that i think there's an element of sort of like will the position you were talking about of like no i want to be my be like a famous tv guy and kingmaker sort of thing and then be able to exert my power in that way as opposed to be actually like in in congress or in a position of like executive power and i would agree with that i would agree with that but i mean i think that we're not talking about a person that's as ego-driven as a donald trump or what have you i mean he is but he's more i think it's ego-driven in a way that yeah it's not necessarily well because if you run for office then you're open

for it's very contingent on people voting it's very uh you're open to a whole bunch of different types of attacks it's a different game versus having your own platform and your own channel that you're not being you don't have to answer anybody yeah i mean i think the question is so like bill o'reilly you know he's not nearly as relevant as he was when he was on fox news right i would say he's not relevant at all yeah i mean he's on newsmax every once in a while he's got his podcast and stuff but like that's like it's not like bill o'reilly was the king of that network and that movement for such a long time but you don't even hear about him anymore but then you had figures like rush limbaugh who was not on fox news who was wildly popular in and influential and so i guess the question is will he and i would argue that ben shapiro is incredibly

influential i mean you see nicki haley like just quoting ben shapiro in her like you know there's definitely like yeah wait like not like quote-unquote institutional ways for people to have that kind of influence i mean even like uh you know uh what christian christian pasha or whatever uh de santis de santis's uh pr campaign man she's a huge libs of tiktok fan is my point and like they're like they're people uh like yeah i are influenced in in that way um who aren't necessarily like kevin mccarthy but uh it's definitely possible i just don't know yeah what he would choose right because like rumble seems like the obvious almost too obvious choice is he does he really want to hang out with russell brand all day and i guess stephen crowder is on there too

well we should all think about that give it a real long hard think yeah while we go to ads and we're back from those ads do you feel relaxed relaxed and ready to rumble? I don't even know we went anywhere. I wasn't thinking. Yeah. My next thought was, we're back. But we never left because I wasn't thinking during it. Cody, you set us up nicely by mentioning Stephen Crowder. We're going to talk about Stephen Crowder real quick.

I decided. Okay. You do it. Because you know, transition. Yeah. Oh, I know. I know what I did. I don't know why. So last Tuesday, Stephen Crowder

announced on his podcast that he and his wife Hillary have been going through a divorce since 2021. And he definitely did it in a very Crowder-y way, saying no, this was not my choice. My then-wife decided she didn't want to be married anymore

and in the state of texas that's completely permitted yeah hillary simply wanted out and the law says that's how it works which of course has sparked a whole conversation about no-fault divorces is texas woman is texas woke should a woman be allowed to uh divorce her husband and then a few days later some leaked footage uh which i believe came from hillary hillary's family um of their i don't know nest ring security cam footage of them a conversation of crowder clearly being very uh emotionally and verbally abusive with his wife and i wanted to talk about it i don't know it sucks that was a really hard video to watch for me for a lot of people it's like very he didn't

actually he doesn't hit her but he's very aggressive and it just screams of abuse and then that sparked this whole debate oh god everything on twitter is a nightmare right now and all the blue checks being the first to say you know defend this or that it's like well you out of context or you know it's it's very difficult but she she was she's visibly very pregnant needing to use their one car why does steven crowder have one fucking car yeah and he's just sitting there not letting her leave because what if let's see what if i need it what if i need to do something and she's well yeah it's like i can't go to my parents i can't go to the gym i can't call my friends uh because my phone's in the car i guess and he doesn't want she offers to get someone to pick

her up and he doesn't want her to do that yeah it's been uh i think you know largely analyzed a lot and i don't know i don't know what much what else to add because i feel like like every moment's been like sort of scrutinized and you know you don't want to necessarily judge an entire relationship uh on like two and a half minutes of video like and one of their worst fights maybe we don't know uh blue check style we don't know the context um but we do know a lot about uh one of the people in the video and we do know context wise a lot of of what he believes and how he acts. This isn't something that happened in a vacuum. It's not like, oh, this random couple, we don't know the context of the fight. We know probably enough about Steven Crowder specifically

and how he treats people publicly, how he treats his staff privately, the things he says about what men should want and be and get out of relationships. And the video was just 100% what you would expect. So I don't know what else to say. I've seen the caution. And while I understand the impetus for that, this isn't a vacuum that this is happening in. and we know a lot about this and katie like you're saying like you watched it it was hard to watch for a lot of reasons but it's yeah i don't know hated it don't don't like it no those are all really important points i don't feel particularly interested in extending a whole lot of charity to or benefit of the doubt to steven crowder like yeah exactly like the context for that incident is the the things that he says on his show and has been saying on his show for

years he's a bigot he's a misogynist and like you said that's exactly that clip is exactly what you would expect those that those beliefs the to manifest like that and you know you're right we don't know the exact context but there's so much in there that i just you just can't can't ignore like the the one car the way some of her language stuck out to me the most where she's like i'm going to disengage or i'm not going to engage in this actively trying to like be like i know i know how this gets and i'm not going to let it get to that point yeah that's someone that seems to me like somebody who's been like listening to some podcasts about like how to deal with narcissistic abuse like that's the language

yeah talking to our therapist or whatever i don't know for sure but that's the that's what it made me feel and so yeah i'm i i think we should drag steven crowder for this and frankly yeah i think it's his kid's fault that they're good they got a divorce well he said it wasn't though i thought it was first and then he said it wasn't and so no it's maybe maybe it isn't before we move on that's funny it is his kid's fault i mean unironically kind of it doesn't seem like he wants to be a father missed his kid's birth but out of spite i just wanted to say that i mean again i tweeted about this i doubt that uh hillary and i would necessarily see eye to eye on that many things but that doesn't matter there are women all across this country stuck in relationships that are similar to this and they don't have the tools or the ability to see what's happening to them um and i want to say that that doesn't mean that I'm sure there's plenty of of women men people

in relationships that have you know maybe there's one breadwinner and another person like I'm not inherently saying that that's a bad situation your partner and your team but the problem is that so many men take it to a place where you are my property where I get to decide what you do or do not do. And that's not, that's not it, man. That's,

that's abuse. That's. And the fact that you could see her so pregnant and trying so hard to keep her emotions under control. I don't know if I'm projecting fear, but I felt afraid for her in that situation. And that's normal. That's a normal thing for a lot

of women. And I don't care what your politics are. And I know a lot of I, I want you to be safe. And they're not listening to this podcast necessarily. But, but that's, that's what made me ache is just how many women out there are. This is their day to day life. Yeah. And it's not, it's not a um you know it's not exclusive to people who subscribe to that lifestyle um that is not you know no i don't think you were saying that at all i want to sort of point that out because like it is i think it is important to point out that if you're in that mindset of like i get to do this and I smoke my cigar while my wife does her wifely duties. This is sort of, this is, you know, an expected result of that worldview. You're going

to have these conflicts that arise and what, you know, one side is going to think there's this solution of like, well, no, I said it. I'm the man and you're going to do what I say. And on the other side, well, I'm a human being and no, I'm pregnant, like all the many reasons. And so this is, I would feel comfortable saying a pretty expected result, especially for him who, again, we've heard talk about all this kind of stuff. And he's sort of cosplaying is this idea of like what he thinks a man should be. And this is the damaged relationship that comes out of that. But it's also not exclusive to people who have that worldview and i don't know it's just bad it was

really sad uh watching it um there's one moment where like she was like i love you and he's like i don't love you and you can see her instantly cover her belly with her shirt it was a bare belly and then he says that and she covers it up and like it's just very very uh sad um and uncomfortable and weird that we are all watching it in a way um i know now i want to stop talking about it it's also kind of funny that uh of course stephen crowder has like a ring camera on his porch like his back porch um but oh also i just wanted to address real quick i've seen again the twitter blue freaks out there a if you're looking at that video and going that seems, it seems normal, you got a problem and you should address it with a person,

maybe your partner, maybe go to therapy, maybe figure out how you actually fight with your significant other and maybe analyze that and figure out that it's kind of bad. If you see no problem with that video. Also, a second thing that I was going to say that was even more important than the first thing I was going to say that was even more important than the first thing I was going to say, but I kind of forget what it was going to be.

Oh, well, let me say one thing before I forget something that we glossed over a little bit. His comments in his announcement video about the laws permitting no-fault divorce, just to be on the record, yeah, I think that, like, if you want to get a divorce, you should be able to get a divorce and not have to be trapped in a marriage that you don't want to be in. So just the fact that he thinks that's problematic is an indication of his belief that his wife ought to be trapped in the marriage with him and unable to escape if she doesn't want to. So I don't even need to see a video to know that he's an abusive.

Exactly. He says it out loud. And like this idea, like, you know, well, a saying pointing out several times, not the kid's fault.

Didn't think it was until you said it, but just sort of this, like kind of hiding behind that like you know in terms of the divorce was like well you know uh it's important for the kids for the parents to stay together and stuff are you doing a lot of like math or comparisons or like looking into like the damage that kids uh growing up in a loveless marriage where the two parents who stuck together fucking hate each other and fear each other and the effects of that compared to uh two people amicably separating and like being able to function um and it's just like a weird way to look at your children a healthy right like don't my

kids are healthier because their mom is trapped with me like that's not good for them probably no i don't know we should move on and talk about something else we can adventure hero conversation we could do that we could talk about how everybody's like yeah we should have more public murders oh there's so many options we don't we don't need to talk about that i just want to address we will talk about that we'll talk about in the future in more detail but i do want to it's more and more every fucking day on that goddamn website just the sea of freaks just being like actually i think uh i should be able to fucking kill whoever all the time it's good for society like like like admit admit you're

fucking like psychopath and you want to kill people go for it i disagree go for it but to like frame it like it's good for society and this is this is this is actually helpful it's fucked up uh we shouldn't normalize it it's bad to publicly murder people oh he had 40 priors you didn't know that you didn't fucking know that that's not how the justice system works you killed a guy without knowing that he'd been arrested before so i hate it and it's bad no. We're done talking about it. I just need to... It's happening a lot now.

I know. And I hate it so much. And I just wanted to address it and just come out. Listeners, we are anti-publicly murdering people for being loud or, you know, unstable in public or whatever. Just for living.

Maybe we should have services for situations like that. Maybe. Yeah. It's a bigger topic that we're not. Exactly. But thank you, WGA strength. Yeah. A hundred percent.

We're here. I care about this. I care about this. We're all in this industry. I think it's important. And I think a lot of our listeners are fans of entertainment. Mm-hmm. And we'll be affected by this. I think so. I and i think a lot of our listeners are fans of entertainment and will be affected by i think so i want yeah entertainment's good so yeah the wga is on strike uh for the first time in 15 years it's already been 15 years since that last one huh oof i feel

old i do that's a tired thing to say when you look at dates, but that's wild because the last strike was happening right as I was in the fallouts of it coming to Los Angeles. So that's fun. But yeah, Hollywood writers are walking out on strike after contract negotiations failed between the WGA and Trades Association representing large studios. WGA members are seeking pay increases and structural changes to a business model that they say is making it harder for them to make a consistent living. It is dire trying to make a living in entertainment right now.

Already, if you're not like because there's the process of becoming like getting a job yeah sorry well yeah i mean getting a job is very hard and you're doing years and years of unpaid work and hitting it from whatever way you can and making your own stuff or whatever but like so much is streaming now. And we never figured that out. New media during the last round of negotiations, a lot's happened in the 15 years. And that was for, you know,

little YouTube videos. It was mostly like for promos and stuff, promotional things. And there was some weird weird sag agreement that you can use with screen actors guild for new media but it's never been fine and you can never get paid well doing this and so right now we've got emmy nominated writers people are coming forward sharing their stories if you haven't seen them you should start looking for the wga hashtag and wga strike and start looking at some of the stories that are being shared from from writers you know living being having a negative bank account while

writing on Emmy award-winning shows for streaming they barely get any residuals the episodes aren't 22 episode seasons it's like seven or eight and the price is just but meanwhile the corporations let's be clear corporations that own all the different studios at this point are of course showing record profits this is what we see across all industries lately this is why we see you know people striking in across the board um and all people are really asking for is living wage i mean there's all sorts of ways that people can be protected because as of right now being a writer and creating this content is not a viable career option um and that's not even touching on the ai conversation yeah we'll get to which we can get to well for context also like with like you're talking about like what the

internet and streaming sort of was uh originally and like in before you know yeah in during that first uh the other strike not the first strike but the most recent strike for context so like that was you're saying 15 years ago orange is the new black is one of like the first like oh that's like a successful streaming show that's like wow look at like that's from 2013 right exactly that's like that's not that long ago. And now it's everything. It blew up. It became this this behemoth of how content or art or whatever you want to call it is made. And now well, the entire business model of quote unquote television has completely transformed to the point where they're making, they're spending and making so much money on streaming. And these large corporations are just taking advantage of the fact that the rules that were written back then don't reflect the current business model. And so their profits have gone up, and they're taking advantage of the fact that the rules are out of date to pay writers less than they are contributing to the profits that they're making. Yeah, absolutely.

And what's particularly, I mean, it's all upsetting, but they've been negotiating this. So the strike authorization from members, I think, was like a 97 or 98 percent, which is a very high strike authorization from, you know, the different members. And then but they still were bargaining and, you know, bringing forth all these really important points. And not only were this was the studio rejecting, they weren't even counter proposing. They weren't even giving options. They're not even saying, and I think, you know, that we can, should talk about the AI

of it all. I, you know, AI is never going to write the content that you guys crave that we all want. It's not going to, but what they can use it to do is to do a draft and then underpay people to come in and punch it up. That is their plan. Make it better. Yeah.

And they're like, fuck you. We can just do this. Now you can't man. The idea again, uh, this is just a theme running theme. Twitter blue subscribers have some of the worst fucking opinions in the world. I cannot imagine watching anything and be like, well, a computer could do it better. Even if you don't like it, even if you think the writing is bad on something.

of phrases and ideas scraped from the internet is going to be better. There's no thought that actually goes into it. It's absurd, and they are going to do that. They're going to make really bad shit and have writers do edits on it because that's what you have to do with this AI currently.

Maybe not in the future, but currently you need people watching it to make sure it doesn't do a bad job, which it consistently does. It has hallucinations. It makes up quotes. It's poorly written nonsense garbage. And they're just going to use that technology to make even more profit without paying artists

for their labor that they should value. artists for their labor that they should value it's really disgusting and weird to see people who like run these studios and who make stuff you're like your job like you don't write it you don't act in it but your job is to make stuff you make art you make entertainment and to think that you can just outsource this uh like fundamental part of it since the beginning of time and outsource it to a bad chat bot is really gross and insulting and just speaks to this horrible moment in our culture. And I don't care for it, I guess is my point. I don't care for it either. I was just imagining an an oscar ceremony academy awards

for best picture and they what are they gonna roll out some computer you can't ai your way into like a human experience a life lived with thoughts and feelings and experiences and this many senses that we have that goes into writing a story coming up with a character doing this kind of work um dialogue whatever it is uh i don't know it sucks i'm not i don't know if i agree with that cody have you seen this scene written perfect by ai that ben shapiro posted recently. Will you put that in our chat here? Yeah, let's see.

I think I'm... I know what you're talking about, but I didn't read it. That sounds like a great way to end this episode. I just responded to him with a question mark because I wasn't sure what it was. And ratioed him? I did with a question mark. Yeah, this is confusing. So great, great, great tweet, Ben.

Should we read this out loud? Yeah, let's read this. So who do you want to be? Jim Cody or Mr. Smith? Oh, both sound like really, really, really good roles written by a really good writer. Yeah, juicy roles. Let's do Jim.

We'll do Jim. Okay, I'll be Mr. Smith. No preference, no preference. And then Katie, you read the stage directions. Okay. So Ben's prompt, please write a TV comedy scene in which a screenwriter negotiates

with the studio head for higher pay while the studio head has all of his responses written by AI. I need to jump in here. First of all, Ben, you don't need to say please. So, Ben, you don't need to say please. So chatbot, you don't need to say please. He's a polite boy. Very, yes, very polite and civil.

Secondly, you're asking this AI to write a scene in which the studio head has all of his responses written by AI. Yeah. Both of the characters characters responses are written by ai you're talking to an ai you're asking it to write a scene the entire thing is written by an ai you don't need to it's fine anyway anyway no fair point interior studio executive's office day we see a screenwriter jim sitting in front of a large desk, facing a studio executive, Mr. Smith. The room is nicely furnished, with large windows overlooking the bustling city below. Mr. Smith, I'm hoping we can talk about my compensation for this project.

I feel that the initial offer is not commensurate with the work required. That was written by an AI, Ben. God. Sorry. Thank you for by an AI, Ben. God. Sorry. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I understand your concern, and I will consult with the necessary departments to see if we can come to a mutually beneficial agreement. Well, that's good to hear, but I was hoping for a more immediate solution. This is a high-profile project, and I've been putting in long hours to make sure it's a success. I appreciate your dedication and hard work.

Rest assured that we value our employees and want to compensate them fairly. What is this? And scene. That's the end of the scene! What does he mean by that? What is the point of this? And are you trying to tell me that this is good that this is a good script that compelling we don't know what he's trying to say

we don't know it's absurd there's no point and i have read a lot of uh ben shapiro's writing and i can tell you that it's not much better if If at all. No, it's implying that this is good writing because he said, yup, they're screwed is what he said when he posted that. So he's saying writers are screwed because look how good the writing of this scene is. It is just always funny and important to remind people that Ben Shapiro is a failed screenwriter.

Oh, a% from Hollywood. And we have the unpublished script of his pilot to prove it. Yeah. One day. One day, folks. One day. But this is so silly because I still don't. I like, well, you're saying his point is that I can do it.

But is that his point? Because he also said, please write, please, please write a TV comedy scene. Right. So what does he, what does he think the joke is made? Is the joke that like, haha, writers shouldn't get paid fairly? Or is the joke that he thinks it's funny? Or is the joke that he thinks it's funny? Or is the joke that he's bitter and jealous of all these writers because they have the ability to go and strike because they've gotten jobs in television writing? I don't know how to interpret it, but I think he's saying this is good.

The AI did a good job writing this scene. And I think he thinks that this is good the ai did a good job writing this scene and i think he thinks that's a good scene and i guess a funny scene i'm so blown away because i i agree that that's seems like what you're saying that's what we assume he means because he's also tweeted elsewhere about like oh writers and you want your little traits or whatever mocking like the writer's strike uh and pointing out like ai can do it but everything in this scene points to like it seems like a shit post you know like i'm reading it i'm like are you trying to make the opposite point that you like are you doing a parody of what we think you would do because if if you are, you nailed it.

Very funny tweet, making fun of yourself. But otherwise, what's the joke in the scene? I think when they say commensurate. That's commensurate with the work required. Like, can you imagine a laugh track right after that line i'm i awful sounding this is depressing i appreciate your dedication to and hard work but also and i i cannot stress this enough um this scene um the entire thing is written by ai specifying like spent like if you even read it

their stage directions uh or like a direction for the character reading from a tablet mr smith is reading from a tablet so like the joke of like his response is written by ai is just that he's reading from a tablet but people in those kinds of meetings read they have like guidelines for how to do these conversations too they have like guidelines for how to do these conversations too. They have like, there could be anything on that tablet. Yeah. It's,

it's very bizarre. Luckily. So I think, yeah, I think we're not, we're not yet at the stage where AI is going to take over writers, but they will start writing little baby shows for babies pretty soon. Yeah.

Yeah. And like, but make sure somebody's making like checking because they might be lying to the babies it's yeah um they will and i mean they'll try to do this you know i think and some things will slip by and people won't know because uh audiences are primed for garbage but like i don't know like every scene every like oh look look oh my god i talked to this ai and look how believable it is like i asked to write this scene and look how amazing it is it's like i don't want a bunch of movies about how like vaccines aren't real and the government owes you a girlfriend like is that what we're gonna get in five years god they'll make woke way. I movies.

I'm told the chat GBT is woke also. So, oh, OK, that's it. I'm calling it. We've done it. We've talked for over an hour. Oh, geez. And heck. Well, thank you for being here with us today.

Absolutely. Thanks for. Do I want to plug anything? Yeah. Do you want to plug anything yeah do you want to plug anything I direct this show called some more news and every time every once in a while I write an episode too

it's pretty cool yeah that's pretty much it they are good check him out check on our channel him out on our channel and podcast occasionally yes or our channel as a podcast wherever you get your podcast wherever you get your podcast i have a confession to make

my last script was written by ai whoa so it is possible it's possible did a great job okay thank you it changed my entire tune but that one sentence you gave us AI is good actually fuck writers yeah and thanks for having me on let me just say fuck writers nah

hashtag WGA strong hashtag WGA I will work for you instead that's what it sounds like yeah hashtag we love you very much much